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March 22, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#911: March 19, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to hear some of Alex's thoughts about Elon Musk's interview with Don Lemon, and how a court just accidentally affirmed the second amendment.

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alex jones
24:10
d
dan friesen
36:27
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elon musk
05:47
j
jordan holmes
23:48
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don lemon
03:10
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kanye west
00:02
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leo zagami
00:23
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steve quayle
00:02
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unidentified
9-1-1 on 9-11.
alex jones
Welcome back.
Final segment with Leo Zagami, our Vatican expert.
An expert he is.
We don't get experts on that are experts at BS.
We get people that are experts on being accurate for years and years and years.
And he is.
Leo, in the last five minutes we have here, big picture, how's the New World Order going?
How is humanity doing in the fight against it?
leo zagami
I am Jesus, but we have also the Mahdi.
And who is the Mahdi?
The Mahdi is Osama Bin Laden.
Alhamdulillah.
We are against Satan, both me and Osama Bin Laden, and I was the one who signed the order to bring down the Twin Towers.
So it's my sole responsibility, but when you understand the full picture in 2012, you will thank me for it.
Trust me, my friends.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
We're obsessed with numerology.
They did 9-11 on 9-11.
3-11 was 911 days after 9-11.
The Madrid bombing, 7-7, 7-21.
I mean, they did the same stuff over and over again on the two-year anniversary of 9-11.
unidentified
The New York lottery came up, 9-11.
The Chicago mercantile closed on the two-year anniversary.
alex jones
The 9-11 never happened before.
They love to flop this in our face.
That's why September 11 took place right around 9-11.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today was that bespoke new intro for one episode from DJ Danarchy.
I think you and I had become aware just accidentally, maybe, that it was going to be episode 9-11, and we made a conscious decision not to do anything about it.
Not to do any kind of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because it seemed like it would be a little bit like...
Well, we already covered the actual day on the show, so there wasn't a whole lot to do.
But then, out of nowhere...
What are you supposed to do?
Can't turn that down.
jordan holmes
He's not going to let it go.
He's not going to let it go by without a commemoration of some sort.
If you can get acapella drops like that, it has to be played.
dan friesen
It must be shared.
In a matter of a minute and a half, we cracked the case.
Who did it?
Who did 9-11?
jordan holmes
We know.
dan friesen
Full-throated confession.
jordan holmes
Sometimes it really does only take a minute and a half.
To encapsulate just how insane things are and how normalized we've made them.
Just like that dude just being, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Makes very sense.
He did it.
dan friesen
And it's just one of the many things we've learned in our time doing this show.
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, well, I mean, aside from that, I would probably go with the return of the amazing race.
dan friesen
Oh, I didn't realize.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I didn't realize until just recently.
Come back, they're racing.
dan friesen
Phil Kogan has the best fucking job in the world.
jordan holmes
The best job in the world by such a wide margin.
dan friesen
He travels around the world.
He doesn't have to run around like these people.
jordan holmes
Such a wide margin.
Yeah.
Sometimes he looks disapprovingly at them for not being fast enough.
Like, dude.
dan friesen
He loves those tense moments where he gets to pretend someone's been eliminated, but it's a non-elimination leg.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Fucking guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's living it up.
jordan holmes
You are 10th.
You're still in the race.
Oh, fuck you, man.
dan friesen
You're still running.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck you.
dan friesen
You can eat that moment up.
jordan holmes
He does seem to drink it.
dan friesen
So, good cast this season?
What are we talking about?
jordan holmes
I think, you know, I've only seen one episode.
It's tough to get a feel for them because you haven't, you know, the first, you need to find the first real meltdown.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And the opening had, I mean, I can't, I don't even know if I can not spoil it.
There was a straight up Austin Powers moment.
No, somebody.
dan friesen
Someone got Randy.
jordan holmes
No, somebody.
Parallel parked a car and then got into, in a tiny...
Enclosure.
And then got into the situation where they kept going forward and then reversing backward and then going forward and then reversing backward and not moving.
dan friesen
And then someone walked by and went, get in my belly!
jordan holmes
It was so absurd.
That's an Austin Powers moment?
Yeah, remember in the first movie.
dan friesen
It's definitely not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of an Austin Powers moment.
jordan holmes
It's the first thing that I think of.
It's just that moment.
dan friesen
Dr. Evil, laser sharks, one million dollars.
jordan holmes
I forgot about the laser sharks with frickin' laser bait.
That's right.
Man, are we dead?
unidentified
Who throws a shoe?
dan friesen
Come on, man.
unidentified
There's a million other references that come up first before...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Oh, three times.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So that's good.
jordan holmes
I had to leave the room.
I couldn't watch it because it was happening in real life.
And they didn't see it coming.
Like, it was happening.
Like, you could see it happening.
Just back out, man!
dan friesen
Back it out.
jordan holmes
Back it out.
dan friesen
That's why you need those people who are like...
Standing by the wayside, telling you, you're good.
jordan holmes
If you see one of them, you have messed up in life.
dan friesen
Speaking of messed up in life, here we are.
We're talking about March 19th.
Part of the reason for this was on our last episode, Alex left halfway through the show.
I was like, is he going to just stay away?
Is he going to be gone?
What's going to happen?
I wanted to...
Check this episode out, see where we were at, see how the landing happened.
And then also, I watched the interview with Don Lemon and Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I figured that might come up, and it does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, yeah, we're going to talk about that.
That was a bad interview on a number of fronts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe that.
I didn't watch it.
dan friesen
It was not pleasant to watch.
Not from a...
I don't know the unpleasantness, how I would categorize it, but it's just...
jordan holmes
Uncomfortable?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Was it informative in some way?
dan friesen
It could have been more.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But did you take something from it that was of value?
dan friesen
Nothing I didn't know before, which is that Elon has a pretty thin explanation for what he deems believable.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so that you come away with pretty clearly.
I don't know.
I do think there was just something off.
The two of them don't have great chemistry.
jordan holmes
That's unsurprising.
dan friesen
But I also don't know how much chemistry you're ever going to get with someone like Elon Musk in an interview chair.
jordan holmes
You know, I feel like, and a lot of people might disagree with me, but 17th century kings and queens in Europe were actually very kind people and not whimsical at all.
So I think they're easy to talk to.
dan friesen
Here's something that I think I may have come around on while watching the interview.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I don't think that guy...
Adrian Dittman is Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm more of the mind that that's not the case after this interview.
jordan holmes
At least we're getting closer on one front.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this here episode, see all the ins and outs and what have you, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Blake Burrito is down with Celine Worship, but Jordan's very good pups also deserve our praise.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Not true, but...
Fair, fine, whatever.
Next, shout out to Tribulation Farce, who sent me to Knowledge Fight, a definite path towards mental health for me.
Oh, hey, I thought that was sarcastic, but thank you.
Your favorite sexy architect, Nikolai Karpaccia.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I thought that was going down a sarcastic path, but then it got sincere.
jordan holmes
No, it makes sense, yeah.
dan friesen
And Dave from IT did 9-11.
We know that's not true.
It's the perfect day for it.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we got a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too.
It's my understanding that the traditional 10-year anniversary gift is leveling up from a walk to a technocrat.
So happy anniversary, James.
Love, Lily.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And I may have a problem.
I've binged about 400 episodes in the last four months since I found you guys.
I'm sorry I have not become a technocrat sooner.
Love the show.
You guys are the best.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I don't like to hype things, but people are designed to hype.
I am going to paint once a week on air, and I'm going to let callers call in.
We'll also take emails and request what you want to see me paint.
One, two, three, Matt Damon!
unidentified
Matt Damon!
alex jones
There you go.
Party time.
I'm going to get in your guts.
And the Nazis, in my view, were thugs that shook people down to a lot of really bad things.
unidentified
But they did good things, too.
kanye west
We're going to stop dissing the Nazis all the time.
alex jones
Okay.
I'm thinking about doing some shows, too, where I run the whole thing myself, just hit record, and sit in the dark with just a few candles and candlelight and talk about the nature of the world universe.
I mean, you know, a big old juicy ribeye, folks, is as good as, you know, sex with your wife.
I mean, let's just get down to reality here.
unidentified
I'm gonna go Donkey Kong, King Kong crazy in about 45 days.
alex jones
America sucks.
We're all racist.
It's over.
Doesn't mean I want to go live, say, in some places in Asia where you get off the plane over there, folks.
They karate chop you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So we start off here on the 19th.
And Alex, you can tell from his musical choice that there is a vibe.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
There's a vibe.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
It's Tuesday, March 19th, 2024.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
Broadcasting from the embattled Info Wars Command Center worldwide.
unidentified
White hot forever.
Why the heart forever?
Amen.
Could I come back to the ranch, baby?
I had to get away for a while, just to rest my nerves, darling.
Can I make you laugh with me?
alex jones
Humans are so capable of beauty and strength.
But for the heights of scale, we also plunge in the depths of wickedness.
It's recognizing that internal contest that will allow us to transcend.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, the quickening is here.
The news is absolutely over-the-top insane.
I have prepared massively for this broadcast, and know this, I come to you trying to be as accurate and truthful as I can be.
These are very complex issues, but at the end of the day, it can be boiled down to good versus evil.
dan friesen
So, I'm going to be as accurate as possible.
I think Alex actually, I mean, he's a big Lana Del Rey fan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he is.
dan friesen
I think there's a sincerity to that fandom.
Totally.
jordan holmes
We've chronicled a lot of Lana Del Rey, and specifically emotional moments when he vibes with it.
dan friesen
I think there's a fair amount of self-soothing and self-care that is done through those dulcet tones.
You know what?
If that's how you got a deal, that's how you got a deal, and I support it.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, if we were in a high school kid's basement and he had just had a breakup, I would be like, yeah, man, you just, you got to deal with it the way you got to deal with it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You're just sitting around the hookah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You're in your feelings.
You're listening to Lana Del Rey and then out of the silence you just say, humans are capable of such beauty.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know what we're doing here.
I don't know if any of this is real.
Probably not.
dan friesen
But yeah, Alex tries to be accurate about everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But really, everything's complex.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it boils down to good versus evil, which is not very complex at all.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's increasingly simple these days.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I thought like, wow, I mean, I've only done 911 episodes of a show about him not being accurate.
jordan holmes
It does feel like there's a wealth of inaccuracy.
dan friesen
So I was wondering where that thought process...
alex jones
When I make a mistake or I get something wrong, I get so mad and so upset when I accidentally say something that's not true.
And it was just a minor thing I did yesterday reading a graph wrong.
And what I was saying was accurate, but I'd flipped it around.
That I got so upset that I went off halfway through the show and left.
And I was just thinking before I went live today, what should I talk about first or so much?
But I think it was that.
To watch it, Don Lemon.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
Or Rachel Maddow lie with relish and enjoyment in their eyes and invert everything on purpose, I realize is demoralizing.
And I've really gotten to the point where I may just start having the crew give me transcripts of their lies so I don't have to look at them.
Because I've been analyzing the fact that I'm a person in my whole life that's never really depressed.
I don't really know what depression is.
Kind of like I didn't have allergies until I was about 20, and I thought people that had allergies were hypochondriacs until I got them.
And I'm like, whoa, these really hurt.
They don't just burn your eyes, get a headache, you name it.
Once you develop them, you're like, whoa, this is very real.
I wouldn't call it depression, but I get a feeling of like an ashtray has been dumped on my brain.
You know what I mean?
It's just, ugh.
But that's what evil does.
It knows how to demoralize us.
We have to go back to the source and to God.
And pray for God's spirit to wash that away and make us strong to fight it, but not let it get to us.
And I said some prayers last night.
I said some prayers this morning, and I've really been re-energized by the Holy Spirit.
dan friesen
That's good.
So, a couple of important points here.
The first is that Alex is acknowledging that he got something wrong about his coverage with the graphs that he was reporting to his audience to show that other racial groups think white people are evil.
It's a good thing for him to acknowledge that he got something wrong, because he got it entirely wrong, but in this situation, he's required to explain what it was that happened.
What was he wrong about?
How does his reporting need to be corrected in reflection of a mistake that he made that resulted in him leaving the show an hour and a half early?
Any reputable outlet that was taking this seriously at all would include this in the conversation, but Alex can't, because if he did, he'd have to admit that the correction really is, I had no idea what those graphs were and I was just making shit up to stoke white fear.
This is a trend of his narcissism.
Like, he doesn't think...
Depression is real because he didn't experience it, so he thought other people were faking it.
He didn't have allergies, so he didn't believe that other people did.
There's hypochondriacs.
This belies a critical inability on Alex's part to empathize with the experiences of other people who aren't like himself.
If other people describe an experience that he hasn't or doesn't also experience, it must be made up.
This is a pattern that pervades all areas of people's lived experience, not just allergies and mental health.
And if Alex is recognizing that he was wrong about these things, he should maybe open his mind up a little bit and consider other ways he's written off other people's experiences because he didn't personally feel it, and because he didn't feel it, it's not real to him.
jordan holmes
Right.
The problem even further, though, is the second step where, okay...
So he has experienced the same feeling that you have before.
But if you respond to it in a way that he doesn't deem appropriate, then once again, you are evil.
You are wrong, and you are part of the problem, you know?
Oh, you went to see a therapist or a psychiatrist?
Wrong, you should have gone to God.
Now that I know you're not lying to me about feeling bad or whatever, you're wrong even more!
dan friesen
And my man...
You came in with Lana Del Rey.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't even know what to say.
unidentified
It's not the first time.
dan friesen
You've been depressed.
jordan holmes
I mean, but it is always a good reminder, you know, like, people do have religion for a reason.
It fills a need, unfortunately, that maybe...
Whoa.
dan friesen
Maybe she'll be filling with something else.
So, Alex gets to some news, and one of those things that's in the news is that Justice Brown Jackson...
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Talked about free speech.
jordan holmes
What'd she do this time?
dan friesen
She hates free speech.
jordan holmes
Oh, about time.
alex jones
And let's move to the Supreme Court in an hour and 45-minute hearing yesterday that I listened to all of it when I got off air yesterday because it was happening during the show, so I didn't get to hear it during the show.
Then Owen did a great job.
I sat in my office in between watching Owen and in between...
Watching the hearing, I went back and forth, or listening to the hearing.
They put out audio.
I listened to the whole thing and wrote some notes.
This was incredible tyranny on display.
And with some recent good Supreme Court rulings, unanimous rulings, that Trump can't be taken off the ballot without being convicted, I thought that was a sign they might do the right thing.
But we saw conservative justices and leftist justices.
Saying, well, if there's an emergency, the feds are the truth, and so they should be able to go in and shut down whenever they want, like false COVID narratives.
But they lied about where the virus came from.
They said it wasn't man-made.
They lied about the shot.
Said it was tested when it wasn't.
Now Obama admits we just did the biggest testing ever on millions of people.
Then he lies and says it's safe.
So this is about the government.
Going into political speech and activist speech and consumer speech and saying if something the public's saying is, quote, hamstringing the government's mission, I thought the government represents we the people, well, then the government has an overriding right, she tells the state attorney general is bringing the suit, to override your speech.
dan friesen
So there's a dead giveaway that Alex didn't watch this hearing and is actually just responding to memes and headlines he skimmed.
And that's that he's saying that Justice Brown Jackson said that people who post things like COVID misinformation hamstring free speech.
That's the misrepresentation that's been flown around in social media, and Alex is just repeating that talking point.
But if he went to the primary source, he would know that this is incorrect.
She was saying that the argument of Louisiana Solicitor General Benjamin Aguinaga, his view on the First Amendment, would hamstring the government.
The question at hand has to do with the fact that the government can obviously like they can't dictate to entities like social media companies that they remove protected speech, but they can attempt to persuade these entities to remove protected speech that represents a public danger.
Right.
unidentified
They could do that.
dan friesen
That's the distinction.
Aguanaga's argument is that the government can't do that.
And Justice Brown Jackson replied that, quote, You understand.
jordan holmes
I'm fascinated by people because corporations are people in this regard, but the government is not people.
I, and I'm going to throw this out at you, I don't think that the people who are running things actually respect that the law exists outside of their control.
I think they just want to do what they want to do.
I think that's kind of the thing.
dan friesen
How do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, I think they just make up rules like this guy is like, hey, this time they're people and this time you're not people and they can just argue that.
dan friesen
In terms of companies?
jordan holmes
They can just argue that in front of people?
That seems crazy.
dan friesen
Sure.
What this boils down to is that the...
Does the government making a request or trying to say, hey, this is bad, shouldn't do this, does that have implicit force behind it?
jordan holmes
Of course, yes.
If the government asks you to do something, does that mean if you don't do it, they're going to send jackboots at you?
I gotcha.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the argument that the Solicitor General was making is it always has the threat of...
Sure.
So it's always a demand.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
More or less.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And that view of the First Amendment would hamstring the government and their ability to communicate, quite frankly.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that's the mischaracterization that Alex is running with, but I'm sure he watched the entire thing.
I'm sure he listened to it all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I imagine that the question of, does everything the government say end with dot, dot, dot, or else?
That's probably tough to really figure out.
dan friesen
It comes out of tone, which is hard over text sometimes.
jordan holmes
It kind of feels like it might, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit more about this Supreme Court story and then jumps on to a couple other foreign grievances.
alex jones
So what's the takeaway here?
The government's a separate entity from the people.
It knows best, and when it decides, it is then going to do what it sees best and going to put a gag in your mouth.
Absolutely over the top, naked.
Brazen, bravada, hubris, chutzpah-filled evil.
I mean, if you want the government to be separate from the people and in charge, we use a lot of places you can move, like Cuba or Venezuela or communist China and North Korea.
And remember, all over the world, it's the same operating system.
Fish and chip shop.
Come get a British meal.
That's mean because people don't want to hear the word British in your own country.
Oh, you said you support the Nationalist Party that's almost number one now.
It's surging in the polls.
It's come from nowhere the last 10 years to being the second largest party.
Oh, we're going to go arrest you because you did a TikTok video saying I support the Nationalist Party in Germany.
That is like mainline Republican in a comparison.
I mean, it's like...
jordan holmes
I wouldn't admit that.
alex jones
Elon Musk is way more hardcore.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't admit that either.
Don't admit any of this.
alex jones
And that's the AFD.
And Musk is defending the young lady who's a luster, by the way.
dan friesen
What a shock.
alex jones
But she's 16 years old in high school.
So that's what's going on here.
dan friesen
So Alex pivots from being wrong about the Supreme Court story into some areas of foreign interest, continuing his roundup of things he saw on social media that he's decided he's mad about.
The case of the UK fish and chips spot has to do with a place called the Golden Chippy, which is an eatery in Greenwich.
They painted a mural of a fish human holding a Union flag, along with the words, a great British meal.
The shop owner didn't have approval to paint an advertising mural where he did, so the town council told him to remove it, or alternatively, quote, the business owner is welcome to apply for advert consent in line with the conservation area he's in.
He didn't have permission to put up this mural, that's all that's going on, but this naturally is a culture war issue.
This is a painfully local zoning type issue that no one outside of Greenwich area should even give a shit about.
But now here we are being lied about this to us and it's exaggerated on Infowars because Alex saw a tweet and he's decided that it's a war on British people because that makes him feel vulnerable as a white person.
jordan holmes
I'm going to say what's crazy about this is not what you might imagine.
What's crazy about this is that those people...
In regards to this story, care more about those zoning laws than they could ever care about this culture war bullshit.
These zoning laws are so...
dan friesen
Society is held together by zoning.
jordan holmes
I mean, like...
No, and I can't...
I can't quite express to you how much these people specifically care about zoning laws.
dan friesen
It's important.
jordan holmes
It is incredibly important.
They will argue zoning laws for years.
dan friesen
Nothing to do with the flag, the British word, or the fish human.
jordan holmes
Nope.
If you want to paint on that wall, it is going to take years of argument with people who have nothing better to do than argue about the wall.
dan friesen
Maybe.
It might just take, like, an application.
jordan holmes
It will not.
I guarantee that by a million.
dan friesen
You're talking about the U.S. bureaucracy.
Maybe it's...
jordan holmes
I'm talking about the UK bureaucracy.
I'm talking about the local council.
dan friesen
I'm talking about local council.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I just know local council shit.
We'll get emails from people saying, you don't even know how much blood has been spilt over whether or not I can sign this in what font.
There will be blood over this.
dan friesen
So as for the AFD thing, that has to do with a 16-year-old girl in Germany who was taken out of class after having posted some potentially inflammatory things in support of the AFD party.
She wasn't arrested and the police have said that it was more of a thing where they were trying to make sure she was aware of the possible ramifications of her online activity and like incitement based issues.
Maybe it was more than they needed to do, but I don't know what the exact dynamics of free speech laws are in Germany or how that applies to minors there.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to be like, go Nazis!
That's what I think.
dan friesen
Well, more to the point.
The AFD is not a milquetoast conservative party.
They're a very extreme right-wing nationalist party in Germany, and they have tons of ties to straight-up neo-Nazis.
For instance, in January, Roland Hartwig, a close advisor to the co-head of the AFD, Alice Weidel, had to cut ties with her because it came out that he was at a meeting with Nazi activists.
According to Politico, he was at a, quote, meeting of right-wing extremists at a hotel near Berlin in November, where they discussed a master plan to deport millions of people, including migrants and unassimilated citizens.
He wasn't the only AFD figure at that meeting and someone else who was there was Martin Selner a major figure in the Identitarian movement who had received a donation from the guy who went on to carry out the Christchurch massacre and who Elon Musk interacted with on Twitter last Last week.
Weird, weird connections.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
In October last year, an elective representative with the AFD, Daniel Halemba, was arrested for being a member of a fraternity that displayed Nazi materials.
And according to The Guardian, had neighbors, quote, complaining of often hearing the Nazi Zeke Heil victory salute.
Earlier that year, Bjorn Haak, the head of the party, the AFD party, in Thurnigia, got in trouble for using Nazi slogans at a rally.
At least two members of a coup plot organized by the Reichsburger movement were politicians from the AFD movement, from the AFD party, excuse me.
Alex is watering this down a little bit because he wants a party like this to be seen as milk toast.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because this is kind of what he wants.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
I think at a certain point we should be like, okay.
I understand you're different from Nazis.
You're not Nazis.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But because of so many things being the same as Nazis, we're going to treat you as though you are Nazis now.
dan friesen
Well, and you're a hyper far-right nationalist party in Germany that associates with Nazis.
jordan holmes
Boy, tough to get away from that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it weren't for people who weren't Nazis being mad at you, you would be Nazis.
I know it.
dan friesen
I think there's a chance.
So Alex complains a bit more about this, the golden chippy.
jordan holmes
Gotta complain about this, yeah.
alex jones
Oh, and the Union Jack on the side of a fish and chips place saying, get a great British meal.
Like you're driving along.
Oh, there's a Chinese restaurant.
Get a great Chinese meal.
Boom.
I see authentic interior Mexican.
Top rated.
I get on my phone.
Is it top rated?
I'm going there.
I want interior.
Today I want authentic Mexican food.
One of the best Mexican places in Austin.
It's been there forever.
Matt's El Rancho.
dan friesen
What a plug.
alex jones
Says on the entrance, authentic Tex-Mex.
Oh my God!
Oh, let's arrest them!
Again, you want authentic British fish and chips, you come here.
No, you're not allowed to even have any culture.
Everything's cultural appropriation.
This is sick, folks.
It's a mind virus.
It's their new religion to force it.
We're all guilty, and the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL, the UN, and the EU, they're our boss, and they tell us what words to use.
Stop following their directives.
Stop using their words.
Call the flight attendant stewardesses.
Call firemen firemen just because they don't like it.
They say don't use the word manhole.
They say milk's racist.
It's a cult, folks, of psychological warfare laughing at how they screw with us.
Stop it!
It only gets worse from here.
It's a malice takeover.
China is on record funding it as well.
Posted that years ago.
Now it's public news.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Mao is just sitting around like...
Let's get him to not say manhole.
unidentified
Ah, boy.
jordan holmes
I can't wait until we get to the controversial, are people wearing backpacks on the subway too much?
dan friesen
Feel like Alex is rallying people around a centralized principle of be an asshole.
jordan holmes
I mean, just...
If somebody asks you, like, hey, just call me a flight attendant or whatever.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do if you need to be a dick.
dan friesen
That's because you have the mind virus.
jordan holmes
If you need to be a dick.
I just don't get it.
dan friesen
Well, you've succumbed to the Maoist plot, unfortunately, and that's it for you.
jordan holmes
I don't recall Mao ever being like, so what do you guys want to be called?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, I do think that complaining about the fish and chips place like this is probably more exciting than...
What Alex could be doing, which is taking a real right-wing position about zoning laws.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He could have this same rant about how the micromanaging and the zoning laws, kind of like you did.
But I think it's probably more profitable to turn this into a war on the British white man.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So that's where we are.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has a lot of clips from the Don Lemon.
Oh, no.
And there's an interesting kind of awareness that's lurking in the background of this clip that I find deeply upsetting.
alex jones
I've got a bunch of Don Lemon clips here.
And this is him.
Elon Musk talking to Don Lemon.
Let's play clip 14. Now, think about this.
Don Lemon approaches him and says, I want you to sponsor my show on X. He says, okay.
He goes out and attacks him for an hour straight.
He says, you know what?
I don't want to be associated with you.
I'm not going to sponsor you now.
He calls that censorship.
But throughout the entire interview, which I watched last night, boy, that was time lost, but Elon was very, very patient with Lemon.
Over and over again, he said, you refuse to censor.
It's your responsibility.
It's a virtue.
There's all this evil.
You're going to get all these minorities killed.
When you say the border is open, it's going to kill illegals.
What the hell does that mean?
And Musk was just done with him.
So here's Lemon calling for censorship in these clips coming up and then turning it around that it's censorship that Musk isn't going to pay him to do this.
But that's all Lemon knows is this trick of divide and conquer.
dan friesen
So all of this, I mean, the only thing I agree with Alex about is that it was kind of a waste of time.
Watching that interview was not...
I didn't love it.
But there's an awareness that is behind this that I'm talking about that is Alex knows that Musk is paying people to make these shows.
So what does that mean?
What does it mean that Elon Musk is essentially trying to produce media that goes at his whim?
It's kind of fucked up to consider.
jordan holmes
I was a little bit confused why more people weren't like, Oh, seeing a billionaire behave this way is pretty much the perfect example of all that's wrong with everything that's going on right now, right?
dan friesen
I mean, you didn't watch it.
You don't know how he behaved.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think I saw one clip of him going, eh, and I was like, ah, I got it.
dan friesen
He did go, eh, a few times.
jordan holmes
I got it.
I got it.
I got all of it from, eh.
dan friesen
Yeah, one of the characteristic moments, I think, that I'm not sure I've seen a ton of people going over is he refers to Twitter as a PvP platform.
jordan holmes
A peer versus peer platform.
dan friesen
Yeah, like in Diablo, because he plays Diablo, you know.
There's an area where you can play against other people.
You can kill other people who are online.
And he views Twitter as that.
And I think that that mentality is exactly kind of...
I find that to be a kind of bad mentality.
jordan holmes
I think it does kind of make sense, though.
It is pretty clear, I think, if you kind of step back and look at the way Twitter's algorithm kind of treats you, is people who fight get filtered towards people who fight, so they fight.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And they spend more time on Twitter.
dan friesen
And Elon Musk bought it because it's play to win.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because it is like, I want to fight.
I want to fight and be the smartest, and then the only way for me not to lose an argument is to own the place, because the only way for me to win a basketball game is to take my ball and go home whenever I start to lose.
dan friesen
It's such a mentality that I find corrosive.
And I don't care for it.
Maybe, I mean, I also didn't care for the PvP areas in Diablo when I was playing it either.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
You know, maybe it's just how I'm oriented.
I don't like that fighting.
But he seems to love it.
It seems to be what he's all about.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, just historically speaking, I think giving spoiled, whiny babies infinite power has worked out for us in the past.
As a race of humans.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Don Lemon did another interview, I think, that just came out today.
I was watching a little bit of it.
His second episode.
Sure, sure.
And he was talking about the Elon Musk interview.
I thought, like, this is...
jordan holmes
Let's all just be done.
dan friesen
But there were a couple of good points, and I think that it was that he got...
Like, Elon Musk was bored.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he wasn't fighting with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that was what the problem with the interview was.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, that Don Lemon wasn't fighting with him.
Right, right, right, right.
And...
jordan holmes
There's no way to be the winner, except for walking out and then firing the guy.
dan friesen
Well, but that's a thing.
According to Don Lemon, in the intro of the episode, he said that there never was an exclusivity agreement.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They said that maybe there was a talk of it or something, but they never were in an agreement that then was canceled.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
If Alex knows that Elon Musk is going to pay people to make content, what does that mean for his relationship with Twitter?
What does that mean for Tucker Carlson's relationship with Twitter?
How many other people are being...
Sponsored by, produced by Elon Musk.
I think that's a pretty worrying concept.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think it would be especially worrying for Alex if he was being shadow banned as opposed to being given a massive contract to make content for Twitter.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, despite...
Talking about Don Lemon and Elon Musk doing an interview, Alex is not bringing up that he's shadow banned.
Oh, he's not.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
So maybe that whole, like, I give him a week thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe Elon fixed it.
jordan holmes
I mean, he has made a lot of Nazis come back to a platform where they were banned.
dan friesen
And interacted with them.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Said you're great.
dan friesen
So we have some sun issues.
Sure.
The moon is good.
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, not his sun.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
The actual sun.
dan friesen
The solar system.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
There was just a total eclipse of the sun, the moon in front of the sun, last year.
I posted on my wife's Twitter account at the time, because I was still banned on X, amazing photos of it, because when the light shines through trees, it would show the eclipse.
Without having to look at the sun, you could see it, and there was finally a perfect corona around a black dot on the ground.
But if you go back to the most ancient times, the mystery schools were set up thousands and thousands of years ago where mathematically they would mark down the Greeks, the Aztecs, all of them, the Romans later, the Chinese, when it was coming.
And then the witch doctor would say, next week the god will, you know, cover up the sun, or the snake god will eat the sun, depending on the culture, and people would all prostrate themselves.
In front of it and beg and plead.
And so now, Homeland Security and the National Guard's out over Texas when this happens, coming up next month, and it's the end of the world and all this fear.
It's all a psychological manipulation.
John Bounds' report is very important.
I'll be getting into it later.
It's up on Infowars.com.
We're going to post it right now on X. Solar Eclipse 2024, National Guard could be brought in as huge crowds expected to gather.
April 8, Solar Eclipse could impact power.
Here's why.
And it goes right over Austin, right over Waco, right over Tyler, right over Texarkana, because that's how the shadow gets cast.
It doesn't do it everywhere.
And there's solar eclipses going on on the planet every week in different places.
But they treat us like a bunch of ignorant savages and are hyping all this up, and God knows what the globals are going to pull because they've made major...
Major preparations for this.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
They've made major preparations and something's going on, man.
So that article that Alex references about the eclipse affecting power is from CBS News.
And the article answers why there's a possibility.
Sure.
The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, has a bit of a checkered recent history with challenges to the grid.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
In the context of this total solar eclipse, there will be an impact on solar-generated power, and they predict that for about three hours on April 8th, this will be an issue.
Solar accounts for about 6% of the power in Texas, but given the predictability of this event and the lead time, ERCOT doesn't expect there to be any issues at all.
This is all in the article that Alex is covering.
But I guess he's amping it up as a possible time the globalists will launch their long overdue attack on the power grid.
I look forward to him forgetting he ever said this in a few months.
It's just being just shit talk.
jordan holmes
I'm more interested with this.
There's tons of solar eclipses all the time that we're just not hearing about.
Am I missing something?
dan friesen
Maybe some smaller...
There was an eclipse last year that was smaller.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but I mean like...
dan friesen
No, every day somewhere...
jordan holmes
But like...
There's a reason that we're all talking about April 8th.
dan friesen
No, because you're a fool.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's going to go across the whole...
dan friesen
Because you're subject to a PSYOP.
That's why you're talking about it.
jordan holmes
Also, if you say, and the eclipse is going to go over Waco, you're saying something.
I don't know what you're saying, but you're saying something.
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
You're saying there's some sort of magic that's making it go over Waco because something happened at Waco.
dan friesen
I don't know, because he also included Texarkana and Tyler.
jordan holmes
Sure, but why else would you...
dan friesen
Because it's near Austin.
jordan holmes
Sure, but so are other places.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think you might be reading too much into that.
jordan holmes
How can you be reading?
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
I think that might just be a coincidence of a city.
You're bringing your baggage to that.
jordan holmes
Fair enough, fair enough.
dan friesen
Because what do you know about Tyler?
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Tyler, but it's not what I don't know that is important here.
It's what I do know that is important.
dan friesen
You know what I know about Texarkana?
jordan holmes
What do you know about Texarkana?
dan friesen
I know they're thirsty in Atlanta.
jordan holmes
I 100% swear to you thought that Texarkana was like an abbreviation.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it's not.
They went with...
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yeah, I think there's a couple cities like that.
I think I've been to one in Colorado, but I can't remember the name of it.
Anyway, you know, it's kind of fun.
Like a little mash-up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like a little poor way to talk.
dan friesen
So we get to the talking about the Don Lemon interview, and Alex sets up his first clip here.
alex jones
We've got so much other news to get to.
So getting back to Elon Musk, Don Lemon is a globalist.
He's a...
A member of the system trying to create division, trying to create guilt, trying to make people hate America so we can absolve America by giving up our rights and doing whatever he says.
And I'm going to start the clip over, clip 16, where, oh, America was founded on slavery.
America was founded on evil.
It was going on everywhere else in the world, but America started the process of ending it.
The only other country more further ahead of us on this was England and Mexico, of all places.
That's the reality of this.
So you don't have a guilt for what eight generations ago did.
If your dad went and robbed a bank, you didn't know.
You're not in trouble.
But they want you to bow down and go along with this agenda.
So Musk is explaining this to Don Lemon, and Don Lemon's playing stupid, that slavery, everybody alive on Earth had ancestors that were slaves.
But they want black people to think they've particularly been abused, so you're a special class, so you're going to get special things from the globalists that sets the precedent for the social credit score.
You're being used.
That's why almost every spokesperson for corporate media and corporate products is black now.
The globalists are stealing your identity.
Here's the clue.
Yikes.
dan friesen
So Alex's own argument kind of falls apart because he's not focusing on the actual issue.
If your dad robbed a bank, you aren't guilty of robbing that bank.
If you own a home that was bought with the proceeds of that bank robbery, your life might be fundamentally benefited from that bank robbery.
And if the impact of that crime that you benefit from involves the historical exclusion of wide swaths of the population from being able to participate in the economy and all sorts of other issues, you're essentially living in a privileged position enabled by a crime that hurt tons of people.
It's not that complicated, and that's why Alex always brings us back into the territory of guilt and accusations that you're a bad person because...
It's nonsense.
But dealing with the point behind that facade is essentially impossible for him.
And he even, like, he'll say things like that.
Like, your dad robbed a bank.
You're not guilty.
And there's just very clear implications that he's so close to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if you can't recognize, like, oh, after they freed the slaves, then instead of owning slaves, they just had people that worked on their land who they could hit whenever they wanted to for another hundred years.
Like, then you go, wait, I don't know how much slavery just ended.
As much as, like, it was a still now.
dan friesen
Nah.
Nah, not really.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, never mind.
dan friesen
Not according to Musk.
jordan holmes
Oh, good call then.
I thought it was everybody who's dealing with this problem.
dan friesen
So let's get to Musk's clip.
alex jones
Here's the clip.
elon musk
I think we should...
This is a constant subject.
I think we need to move on.
I think we should, you know, treat people like people.
unidentified
You...
don lemon
Don't agree that this country was founded on racism and founded on slavery and in many ways inequities that still continue on to the same?
elon musk
I think every country at that time, and I think even today, was extremely racist.
Every country.
And obviously slavery was present in about half of this country.
And it was not present in the North.
There was racism, for sure.
But, you know, I think we want to look to the future rather than the past.
And instead of engaging in constant rehashing of the past, because, in fact, if you look at history, if you study history broadly, everyone was a slave.
Everyone.
don lemon
Yes.
Well, not everyone was a slave.
elon musk
No, everyone was a slave.
We are all descended from slaves.
All of us.
It's just a question of when.
Was it more recent or less recent?
That's it.
dan friesen
So that's just nonsense and wrong.
I think you can take Elon Musk about as seriously as he presents himself to be taken.
He's saying that there was no slavery in the northern states and the United States, and that indicates a very serious lack of awareness about the history of the country and the issue that he's expounding on.
There absolutely was slavery in the north, but the dynamic of it was different, and in many places it was banned earlier than in the southern states.
A large aspect of that was that the north didn't have as many large plantations, and the southern economy was far more dependent on that enslaved labor.
If Musk is entering this conversation with the kind of perception that he's showing on this issue, then I don't know if it's why it's to take too many of the other things he's saying seriously.
He doesn't have much of a grasp about the subject he's talking about, but he has a lot of feelings about it, and those feelings are mostly reinforced by shit he sees posted on Twitter, which he owns.
And that's something that I think runs through this entire interview.
Here's another clip from Lemon's interview that I thought was kind of shocking, and that Lemon, I don't think he pushed back on in a sufficient way.
don lemon
Some of the things that you post, a great replacement theory.
You claim that Democrats, President Biden's immigration plan to open up the border, you said that the president is getting, and Democrats are doing it, to get more votes.
But undocumented immigrants cannot vote in federal elections, so how is that possible?
elon musk
Right.
Well, you're conflating two things.
One is great replacement theory.
The other is, which I don't subscribe to that, I'm simply saying that there is an incentive here.
If immigrants wish, I think, have a very strong bias to, at least everything I've read, a very strong bias to vote Democrat, the more that come into the country, the more they're likely to vote in that direction.
But it is, in my view, a simple incentive to increase voters to Democrat voters.
And, yeah, so the question is, like, how?
So there's a few...
One is that when the census is done, the census is based on all people in an area, whether they are citizens or not.
So if there are a concentration of people who came here illegally in a particular state, that state will actually then get an increased number of house seats.
So the house seat apportionment...
It's proportionate to the number of people, not the number of citizens.
So the illegals overwhelmingly go to places like California, New York.
And if you just look at the math, if you look at the apportionment with and without illegals, I believe California would lose, I believe the blue state, there would be a net loss of blue states of approximately 20 seats in the House.
This also applies to the electoral college.
So you say, well, this also applies to electing the president because the same, the electoral votes are also done by, by apportionment the same way that how So all this is just false.
dan friesen
The assessment that Elon is working off of, his idea that 20 or so seats would be swayed by including or excluding undocumented immigrants, comes from the Center for Immigration Studies, a designated hate group started by white nationalist and noted eugenicist John Tanton.
More legitimate research carried out by outlets like Pew Research have shown that excluding undocumented immigrants would result in Texas, Florida, and California losing a congressional seat, and Alabama, Minnesota, and Ohio gaining one.
It would be a net zero in terms of gain or loss for red or blue states.
Also, Musk is just wrong and citing propaganda put out by a hate organization founded by a eugenicist, and that is allowed to stand.
It's his perspective.
This is what I think based on...
And the problem is that the pushback I don't believe is sufficient.
You can hear in this next clip how Lemon responds to Musk's very clearly inaccurate and bigot-rooted talking point.
elon musk
If, as is the case, a disproportionate number of legal immigrants go to blue states, they amplify the effect of a blue state vote.
And the math, as I understand it, and you can research this obviously very easily on there, it's like...
It's pretty straightforward to research this.
But my understanding is that the Democrats would lose approximately 20 seats in the House if illegals were not counted in the census.
And that's also 20 less electoral votes for president.
So illegals absolutely do affect who controls the House and who controls the presidency.
It does not affect the Senate.
don lemon
In blue states, you're talking about.
I don't believe that your information on that is right.
dan friesen
That's not a strong denunciation.
That's somebody saying, I think what you're saying is wrong, which holds no weight.
Like, in this situation, Musk has asserted this thing and now you can push him on it.
That's what the benefit of being in this situation is.
Where did you get this information from?
Why do you think this?
Saying, I think that's wrong, is letting someone off the hook in a situation like this.
When you're in an interview setting, be like, oh, okay.
Why?
Where did you get that number from?
Oh, some shit I saw?
I don't know.
Some dumb account I follow on Twitter?
jordan holmes
I think what's fun about this is that this is kind of the problem that Alex was pretending was the problem earlier.
Like the implied dot dot dot or else.
It's just applied in a very kind of different circumstance.
The crazy thing about this is that...
Elon lives in a space where it literally does not fucking matter.
You know, like, okay.
You, if Don Lemon does a great job and is like, see, look.
I've proven to you.
You're supposed to be a person with, like, science shit.
Your fucking shit is Tesla.
dan friesen
Right?
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So, fucking evidence and shit.
Here you go.
This is proven in the same way that, like, there's gravity.
Like, it's done.
Right?
He's gonna go like...
Fuck whatever.
And then go continue believing the bullshit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And if he wasn't a billionaire who owns everything, then you'd be like, aha, we can neutralize his ability because everybody knows he's a fucking idiot.
But he's just going to be a billionaire tomorrow and still believe bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think the advantage in that situation at all, like the interview setting, is that you have a place where he wants to be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, you know, you do all this, you know, being a shithead and trolling and all this shit on Twitter, but when you're sitting across the table from someone who is not fighting with you and not, like, engaging in the PvP-style shit that you maybe want to do on Twitter, you want to be in this situation where you're like, no, I have these really smart things to say.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And when you're allowed to say things like what he's saying and not be forced to be like, ah, smart thing.
Prove it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You're giving him an out.
You're giving him a pass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I find it frustrating.
jordan holmes
But that's the or else, is, oh, you pissed me off, so I leave.
You know, like, oh, you pushed back too much, so now I'm gone.
dan friesen
Well, he does start to say that towards the end.
Like, when he's asked a question, he's, Mosca's like, we have a couple minutes left to choose your questions carefully.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there is almost an implicit, like...
jordan holmes
If the power dynamic is this, you know, that's why it is, like, you know, capture.
You know, the White House press corps, the capture of it, you have to be close.
And part of being close is making these people like you.
And if you don't want them to be, if you don't want them to not like you, you have to be nice, you know?
You can't be like, hey, Elon.
You are a fucking con man who has gotten billions of dollars by telling rich people what they want to hear.
You had access because you had a fucking emerald mine that gave you a platform to continue telling rich people what they want to hear, despite the fact that it's transparently bullshit.
Your company is actually worth nothing.
So all of your wealth is pretend.
dan friesen
He implies that you might be making a flying car.
jordan holmes
It's pretend.
You bought this very platform with money that's not yours.
That you are not.
We're not going to pay back because it's not even real!
dan friesen
Well, sure.
jordan holmes
You can't say that.
dan friesen
Probably not.
It'd probably be an end to the interview pretty quick if you came in with that energy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think I would be allowed to interview him.
dan friesen
Now, I have one more clip here from the things that I took out of the Lemon Musk interview.
And it was just something that I found really shocking.
This stuff that he's presenting, Musk is presenting about the undocumented immigrants, 20 seats, all this, DEI is causing us to get unqualified surgeons.
jordan holmes
Sure, I'm sure that's happening all over the place.
dan friesen
Right, and all this stuff.
And he has nothing to back up any of this.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
There is just like, I have a feeling about this.
That kind of thing.
And here is what he says when pressed.
don lemon
What evidence do you have, though, that they're lowering the standards?
There's no evidence of that.
elon musk
I believe there is.
don lemon
There's no evidence of that, Elon.
What is the evidence?
elon musk
I believe they have literally lowered the standards at Duke University, and that is what the article is referring to.
Are you saying they have not lowered the standards?
don lemon
There's no evidence about lowering standards, and I think that there is...
elon musk
I believe that is a false statement you're making.
don lemon
Okay, well, we'll figure it out.
elon musk
The interesting thing is, when this is posted on the X platform, there will be a whole bunch of things that...
Rebut what you said and what I said so people can then make their own decision based on the replies and the rebuttals and the community notes.
don lemon
I think that's fair.
But I do think that on this particular topic, I do think that you and Ben Shapiro are reaching about this because there was a...
What Ben posted said that people were...
He gave instances of people who were deliberately harming people.
Nowhere in the thread...
Does Ben suggest at all, I should say, that anyone is being killed as a result of DEI?
That's purely speculative.
There's research on DEI and medicine, and there's no evidence that standards are being lowered, that DEI is affecting medicine.
Actually, only 5% of doctors are black, and a small percent...
elon musk
I think you'll find that when this is posted to the X platform that people will reply to it with evidence.
Maybe I'm wrong, let's see.
don lemon
Okay.
dan friesen
So that, to me, is this bizarre mentality that mirrored so closely the way Alex behaved in the January 6th debate.
He was just saying a bunch of shit, and then when other people would say shit, he'd be like, oh, Twitter's gonna get ya!
That kind of thing.
Why are you going into this interview and making these claims that, like, oh, here's my backing for this.
Some shithead will say things on Twitter.
Someone on Twitter will get my back later because they want to fight for me in the PvP sphere.
jordan holmes
I was looking through the thing and I saw this video that it was showing a dog stretch and it was like, this stretch is the I love you stretch.
And it's like, I saw that and immediately I was like, I don't want to look into this.
I don't care if this is true.
I suspect strongly.
This is bullshit.
But do you know what?
It makes me feel so good to think that every time my dog does this stretch, he's saying I love you.
That makes me feel good.
I'm not going to go on an interview and be like, aha, let me tell you something that is 100% true!
This thing I saw one time.
And then be like, no, no, no.
See, at the end of this...
You're going to go online and you're going to feel real stupid when you see that video and somebody's like, see, this is true.
dan friesen
Because there's a bunch of sycophants who I've allowed back onto the website that I own who will roast you.
jordan holmes
I bought people for this purpose.
dan friesen
But that mentality from...
Like, Alex is escapist and...
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
That's what I'm saying.
I understand wanting to believe something that makes you feel good.
I get it.
dan friesen
I do, too.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I think that the angle is the same between Alex and him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the difference is that Elon owns the site.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
It's so much shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't...
See, I just can't.
I couldn't...
I couldn't do any of these interviews.
I feel like it's morally wrong to be in the same room with these people.
If you do moral math, I think it's wrong to be in the same room and not like...
dan friesen
I think you can make an argument towards that.
But I also think that I'm not giving enough credit to Don Lemon for making...
He does ask some questions that are pretty good.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
about the EEOC complaints and the harassment, the racial harassment that people have reported at Tesla factories.
And Elon's answer to that is just like, I've never seen it.
jordan holmes
See, done.
dan friesen
But he did ask that question.
Sure.
unidentified
There isn't a shying away from some of these It's just that there isn't a follow-through on nailing down who cares if you saw it.
jordan holmes
I mean, but isn't that—that, to me, is the problem with this interview, is that it fundamentally is purposeless, because there is no, like, there's no stakes.
I don't see any—well, I mean, for Don Lemon, there might have been stakes.
He might have been millions of dollars of stakes for Don Lemon.
dan friesen
Well, according to him, not.
jordan holmes
But, like, you know, like, I've always felt like if the idea is— You're doing an interview with somebody who's really powerful.
You have the access to bring this, and that means that you're either getting information that is valuable to people or you're revealing something that's valuable to people.
And a lot of that is also a threat of, like, if you look like a complete idiot, everyone's going to know you're a complete idiot.
Those are the stakes.
You prepare.
You learn things.
You have information to back stuff up.
If the stakes are literally like, I own this website, And whatever I say, people will tell you it's true after the fact?
That's no stakes, you know?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get back to Alex's coverage of this.
I took a little bit of a detour through a couple of those clips that Alex doesn't play.
Yeah.
And it gets back to him just going over the same sort of territory.
don lemon
And there is a legacy of slavery that still continues on.
There's a legacy of racism that still continues on in this country.
And that's undeniable.
elon musk
Well, if we keep talking about it non-stop, it will never go away.
If we keep making that the central thing, it will never go away.
don lemon
Why do you believe that?
elon musk
I think I'm just making a simple statement of fact.
So, I think we want to get away from making everything a race or a gender or whatever issue and just treat people like individuals.
alex jones
Yeah, that's what Martin Luther King said.
Judge people on the character of their deeds and their actions, which makes perfect sense.
You know, there's several what they call soul food restaurants in Austin because they don't have southern cooking.
It's just southern cooking.
And I go to black-owned businesses.
We cater it in here because I like collard greens and fried chicken.
And that's not a black thing.
That's a southern thing.
It's a white and black thing.
But I go there because they have good food.
I don't go to the virtue signal.
I go to a Chinese restaurant that's owned by real Chinese people because it's original and it's delicious.
I go to a Mexican food restaurant owned by Mexicans because it's the best in town.
Who even thinks that when they're going in a restaurant?
But they want it to be all about that.
We're now in the UK.
They're ordering people to take down the Union Jack.
And signs saying, a great British meal, fish and chips.
And I'll be honest with you, I don't think British cuisine is in the top hundred, but fish and chips is about the best.
Bangers and mash is great, sausage and gravy.
dan friesen
What is happening?
How is this even the way his brain goes?
Does he think that's what's being discussed?
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Foods?
jordan holmes
I just...
Everything about this makes me so angry, not least of which, like, I know it's part of what he can do so well, but it's like, no, soul food specifically is black food.
It is not southern cooking.
Soul food is because slaves brought shit from Africa to here to make food from because they didn't have the...
unidentified
Soul food because it's nourished their soul.
dan friesen
You're going down the sidetrack, though.
jordan holmes
I know, but soul food, don't take that away.
I love all the things to take away.
dan friesen
It's a detour from...
jordan holmes
I know, it's so terrible.
dan friesen
So I think what's going on is that Alex has that golden chippy story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, basically.
dan friesen
And so everything is veering back to food.
What's even happening?
This show is so dumb.
jordan holmes
Chinese food in America is Chinese food that's made from Chinese immigrants who made it here.
It is not Chinese food.
It's American Chinese food.
It's American food.
All food in America is American food.
dan friesen
Again.
That's the idea, man.
You're getting lost in the detour.
That's the idea.
jordan holmes
It's so...
dan friesen
Getting lost.
So there are some things that Alex doesn't think that Elon did a good enough job on.
And one of them is defending his ridiculous point about DEI causing...
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Bad doctors.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
Let's go for it.
alex jones
Now, Elon does an okay job here, but he wasn't definitive enough.
They've lowered standards in the military, law enforcement, the legal departments, engineering.
They're teaching with fuzzy math and Common Core, now for 20 years, that 2 plus 2 doesn't really equal 4. And here's an example today.
Supreme Court, bar exam will no longer be required to be an attorney in Washington State.
You don't even need to pass a test because they say it's racist to make you pass a test.
I was recently in court for a family law issue and sat there all day because our case was in the afternoon, but it could have been called early, so I sat there eight hours in court, and it was white young men, white young women, black lawyers that were young.
Folks, it was like idiocracy in the court scene.
In fact, pull up idiocracy court scene.
They literally couldn't talk.
They were black.
They were white.
They were morons.
They've graduated more lawyers the last 20 years, look it up, than existed in the entire history of this country.
And they don't even have to pass a test now.
Now they're saying they're going to hire schizophrenics to fly the airplanes.
It's not like airlines said we're going to go out and have a jobs program.
And pick highly skilled black people to put them through a program, and those that pass the test, and you would get them to pass it, can be airline pilots.
No.
They're simply saying, we're going to have schizophrenics fly the airplanes.
We're going to have people without...
Any training, fix the parts on planes.
It's to destroy civilization for the general public and the globalist on words.
dan friesen
So the Washington Supreme Court commissioned a study that found that the requirement of the bar exam is an exclusionary burden that disproportionately affects black law students and recommended allowing an alternative pathway to completing a law degree that requires 500 hours of apprenticeship and three additional courses.
This isn't lowering standards.
It's adjusting them, and no law schools are required to even do anything.
It's creating an alternative.
Yeah.
A bit of a history of the bar being used as a means of exclusion over history.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
dan friesen
This one's a little bit strange for Alex to use as an example.
jordan holmes
Thurgood Marshall wasn't, like, invited to take the bar.
They weren't like, oh, please, come on down, sir.
Right.
dan friesen
The history of creating barriers to people being allowed to be in the profession of law is a rich history in the country.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I'm always...
I'm amazed at this because it's like, wait a second.
You're telling me like five minutes ago all doctors are liars who are paid for by the government trying to steal money from the Medicare system.
And then five minutes a year later you're like, oh, they're lowering standards.
From what?
To what?
dan friesen
That is a question.
jordan holmes
What standards were you stoked about?
dan friesen
The ones where all the doctors are globalists who are trying to force vaccines on you.
jordan holmes
There's Open Mike Eagles lyrics of just like, y 'all want to say the N-word.
That's all it is.
And it is just like...
You have to say, oh, there's black people, there's white people, because you just want to say black people are stupid.
But we won't let you just say that without people pointing out you're a racist.
So instead, you just add and white people, and then we let you get away with it because we're all insane!
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
I think it makes sense.
dan friesen
Also, another little thing that we learned here in part of the clip that I didn't include is that Alex was supposed to be in an idiocracy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's going to play Star Lord.
jordan holmes
He's going to get two million.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex tries to help Elon's argument with the DEI thing.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
unidentified
Good luck.
jordan holmes
No, it's going to go well.
alex jones
So, they're not going to have tests now for law school.
And here's Don Lemon.
This is all a talking point.
This is all the same message.
It's all official.
It's not a weird liberal that's whacked out.
He's got the corporate big banks running him, telling him what to do.
A globalist agent in the X camp.
And he sits there and says, why do we need standards for doctors?
And then Musk is like, well, I'm just saying if we lower standards, there'll be problems.
We know they've lowered standards.
We know our life expectancy is down.
We know the number one cause of death in America is medical malpractice.
In law enforcement, the average cop can't do one pull-up.
I just could do a hundred.
The whole gym would be clapping.
I could still do five.
I'm a fat ass.
You see, the women at the SWAT team events can't even...
Do a basic obstacle course.
But that's the new woke system to sabotage competitiveness in humans, to sabotage the human system, to force us into the depopulation robot takeover.
It's all admitted.
So here's the clip of Elon Musk talking about it.
elon musk
I believe that if we lower the standards for what it takes to become a doctor...
don lemon
You're saying if we lower the standards, but do you believe people are dying because the standards are being lowered?
elon musk
I don't...
I think that is, yes, an issue, but it could become an issue.
don lemon
Okay.
But the actual evidence in history shows it.
alex jones
Lemon's sitting there playing dumb.
He's not stupid.
Like, wait a minute.
You mean standards?
If he lowers standards, bad things happen?
Excuse me.
You know, why do firefighters even need to be able to pick up a person?
Because they've got to save them in a burning building.
They've gotten rid of that in most jurisdictions.
And then firefighters bitch at Leticia James.
They go, we're going to fire your ass.
dan friesen
How's any of this connected to anything?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
It's all over the place.
This is an incredible scattershot of various touch points that he has about the women's SWAT teams.
Trying to make the point that he wishes that Musk was making, but Musk wasn't, and Musk was floundering.
jordan holmes
I mean...
Do you think he would have been happier if Musk was like, ah, women can't do SWAT teams.
Like, I think he would have.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even if there was even less backing up.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
Did you see the...
Did you see the video of women?
Did you see the Dubai SWAT team exercises where there was one team that was bad?
jordan holmes
Bring that, bring that, give that to a billionaire and let them say it to Don Lemon and let the world explode.
dan friesen
Don, let me put this up on my phone.
jordan holmes
Let's just have this all be done with.
dan friesen
It is exhausting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the sort of disconnect there is that it's not that Don Lemon thinks that there shouldn't be standards.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's that they aren't being lowered in the name of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Right.
And Musk is saying, first of all, yes, they are.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And second, maybe problem.
Right, right, right.
But also being too unwilling to stand behind like I'm going to say this is happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because then I'm going to end up, that's going to be too much.
I can't defend that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Although I don't understand why he doesn't, because he can just say, people will show you on Twitter tomorrow.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
That seems to be a sufficient dodge here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is kind of confusing why you would engage and what you would choose to engage in.
You know what I mean?
Because you've already chosen in advance not to engage in some stuff.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You're just not going to do it, and you're going to be like, fuck you, and then leave.
So why do you engage in what you do engage in?
dan friesen
I think because he wants to have fun.
I think this is fun for him.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you think it's because he wants to have fun, and it's not because he wants to look cool or smart or good.
dan friesen
I think there might be overlap.
I think looking cool and fun smart to your dum-dums on Twitter is probably pretty fun.
jordan holmes
He is an endless vacuum of need for appreciation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that saying those things to Don Lemon will get him appreciation from the people who comment tomorrow on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I think that there's a satisfaction that comes out of that.
unidentified
Oh, man.
If you had a billion dollars and that's what you did.
dan friesen
It's bleak.
jordan holmes
That is so dark.
dan friesen
So here is Musk just sort of floundering around about his feelings about DEI, and then Alex comes back to try and save the ship, and it doesn't really work.
alex jones
We're in the middle of a war, people.
Continue.
elon musk
I believe that if we lower the status for what it takes to become a doctor...
don lemon
You're saying if we lower the status, but do you believe people are dying because the standards are being lowered?
elon musk
I don't...
I think that is, yes, an issue, but it could become an issue.
dan friesen
Okay.
don lemon
But the actual evidence and history shows the exact opposite if you look at how minorities are treated by the medical system.
Most doctors now are white.
And there are lots of mistakes in medicine.
So you're saying that white doctors have bad medical care?
I'm trying to understand your logic here when it comes to DEI because there's no actual evidence of what you're saying.
elon musk
No, I said, so if the standards, like let's say, I think that particular thing was referring to surgeons.
Let's say a surgeon in training is asked to do a series of operations out of the supervision of a senior surgeon, and they get a bunch of those operations wrong.
If that happens, and yet they are still approved to be a surgeon, the probability that someone will die, I think, at some point is high.
don lemon
Okay.
I understand that.
But that's a hypothetical.
That doesn't mean it's happening.
elon musk
I didn't say it's happening.
don lemon
You didn't say it was happening.
elon musk
I said it will.
I said if we lower status, people will die.
don lemon
But why respond to something or put something out there that has not happened?
Because I could say...
elon musk
Because I don't want it to happen.
I think we don't want to lose those standards.
don lemon
Okay, if you look at the history of the medical industry, especially when it comes to black Americans, it shows the exact opposite.
If you look at the Tuskegee experiment and on and on, only 5% of doctors in America are black.
All of them are white.
So are you saying that if the majority of doctors are white, are you saying that...
And there are still these inequities, right?
And people still...
There are still mistakes.
Are you blaming DEI for that?
elon musk
No, I'm very basically saying that if we lower standards for what it takes to become a board-certified surgeon or an oncologist or something where the kind of disease we're talking about, if you make a mistake, causes someone to die, then...
alex jones
All right, that's enough.
By the way, that's not true that only 5% of the doctors are black.
And, of course, everywhere I go, it's Indian doctors and the great doctors.
An Indian doctor's done two surgeries on me.
A bicep and a hernia.
Because I just went and saw who was highly rated.
And they were listeners.
dan friesen
Oh.
So I think Elon comes off pretty poorly in that exchange, but I think that Lemon was also playing around to some softball.
Playing a little softball.
jordan holmes
I mean, I...
dan friesen
But I'm more interested in Alex's response there.
Instead of responding to Musk's pretty weak performance...
And constantly dodging back to, what if?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He latches onto one thing that Don Lemon said and claims it's false.
He said that it's not true that only 5% of doctors are black, and then apparently to prove that, he says he's been to multiple Indian doctors.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Also, the 2023 figures from the American Association of Medical Colleges reflect that 5.7% of active physicians are black or African American.
Alex just reflexively is making up that Don Lemon is lying about this statistic because he knows the audience will just accept his version of it.
And after the clip that he played, Alex doesn't have much to work with.
There's not a lot going on.
It's tough to save that.
So you pivot instead of actually addressing, like, okay, Elon sounded like an idiot.
jordan holmes
It is interesting because I wonder, like, it does seem that Don Lemon is very confused by what seems very straightforward, which is Elon Musk is working backwards and saying that...
Yes, black people are underrepresented because they are inherently worse at surgery due to blackness.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to like, wait, are you saying that...
White people should be...
Yeah, like, what are you talking about?
He is...
Don Lemon, to your face, this man is saying that black people are not as good at surging for whatever reason he wants.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that Don is trying to take a side road around...
jordan holmes
Right, because you can't just say, oh, you're a giant racist, aren't you, Elon?
Because dot, dot, dot, or else.
dan friesen
I think...
Or, maybe not the dot, dot, dot, or else.
Maybe a feeling or a suspicion that it would be more fruitful to go the other way.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But as we see, the proof of the pudding is the eating.
jordan holmes
Going in the side door is not going to help you any more than kicking down the front door.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't actually go over all that much of the interview.
It's just kind of a couple of these points.
Because there's another big story out of the courts.
And this one I actually was very interested to hear Alex's take on.
alex jones
Alright, when we come back.
It's a complex issue, but I'm going to nail it.
I think you'll probably agree with me.
We'll open the phones up in the next few days.
I'm going to have this topic.
A Obama-appointed judge ruled illegal aliens who are here illegally committing crime, even though federal law says you can't do that, can own a gun.
Now, you're like, what does that mean?
I'll explain why they did that and why it shows the one-dimensional thinking of these people.
So you know what?
I actually support that.
We're Mad Max world.
Nobody should be restricted.
Even felons.
Because felons are going to have guns anyways.
So they've undermined themselves with this, but that's how contrarian they are.
Under law and under the Constitution, you need to be a citizen to own a gun.
But if you're going to flood us with people and they're here, okay, they're a person.
The right of the people to keep their arms may not be infringed.
Okay, so fine.
But now you just destroyed your argument that all of us that are citizens can't have guns.
I'm going to break this down.
Straight ahead and so much more.
dan friesen
No one is saying you can't have guns.
jordan holmes
I have no idea how this is both...
I believe this is being expressed as both...
Not at all a problem, and yet somehow we're talking about it as if this is an issue.
dan friesen
It's not a problem.
jordan holmes
Right, it's not a problem.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that this is some kind of a big dunk, because the court ruled that this undocumented immigrant who, he had a gun, and they said he can't be charged with a gun charge.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because he didn't have a violent criminal past.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that here's the thing that I find interesting is Alex's rationale for this and being in support of it has to do with everyone's going to have guns anyway.
jordan holmes
I do like that attitude.
dan friesen
Which is not the angle he should have.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't.
dan friesen
The point is supposed to be that our Bill of Rights...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Is an enumeration of rights that exist with or without the government.
jordan holmes
Inalienable.
dan friesen
These are human rights.
jordan holmes
God given.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So this should be something that that's where Alex is coming from.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
As opposed to a, everyone's going to have guns anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's strange to me.
It seemed like a perfect opportunity for him to...
Go against the grain a tiny bit because of the xenophobia and anti-immigrant stance of the show and his audience and be like, no, no, no.
We stand on principle here on this one.
And instead, it's kind of neither.
jordan holmes
I would be interested in understanding the thought process behind a creator endowing you with inalienable rights, but only if you're an American.
dan friesen
If you're a citizen.
jordan holmes
If you're a birthright citizen.
Actually, you know what?
It's gotta be two generations back.
Like, what are we doing here that this right is not...
dan friesen
It doesn't make sense with the way that Alex is supposed to believe in rights.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't think a lot of these fascists really actually believe that human beings have inalienable rights.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
jordan holmes
I think they believe our rights are very alienable.
dan friesen
Quite.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex comes back from break, and he's gonna get into this, and it's gonna be a slam dunk.
And I noticed something was up.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
What happened?
alex jones
They're going to take us for all that we got.
All right.
I talk about this at least once a week.
But I see a story, and I've seen two the last few days, that I would call a Rosetta Stone.
That if you understand these stories...
You understand the entire enemy mindset, their philosophy, their modus operandi.
And you've got to know the enemy's modus operandi because it's very, very OCD.
It's very myopic.
They follow the same plays over and over again because it works until we get in a bad enough position to analyze it and reject it all.
Like, don't drink that, it's poison.
Don't drink antifreeze, it'll kill you.
Don't pour gasoline on yourself and light it on fire.
You need to reject it all.
But you've also got to know then what to counter it with.
So, the Letitia James last week goes to the New York Firefighter Association Union and gets resoundingly booed and they chant Trump, Trump, Trump because they see the injustice.
The head of the union says, we're going to have you fired or demoted or your pay cut.
Quote, we're going to hunt you down.
The firefighter said, screw you, we're going to sue your ass.
We have a First Amendment.
Within three days of that happening.
Happens Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
They back off and say, fine.
Because the firefighters started marching to ticker tape parades.
The people said this is wrong, and it rallied the people.
Because when the firefighters got threatened with firing, they said, screw you, go ahead, let's go to court.
dan friesen
So that's an interesting retelling of that story.
So this is a rose out of stone, though.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you understand, if you understand this story, you understand everything.
jordan holmes
I 100% do not understand this story.
dan friesen
I understand the story.
I just don't understand how it's a Rosetta Stone for Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, I suppose that's...
Yes, that's what I mean.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because, like, his description, right?
Okay, this is the same...
They do the OCD, right?
They do the same thing because it works until it's so bad we reject it, like covering yourself in gasoline and lighting yourself on fire.
You gotta get rid of all of it.
I don't understand...
Do you have to light yourself on fire before you can learn not to light yourself on fire?
And then it's like, oh, this fire's bad enough that now I have to get rid of fire?
dan friesen
I think you're getting lost in the weeds a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
I'm getting very lost in the weeds here.
dan friesen
I think...
Okay, so this is obviously a preamble to talking about the undocumented immigrants that have guns.
So that's the second Rosetta Stone story.
And that's where I have the difficulty.
Because you obviously know that that's the story that he's ramping up to talking about.
So this exists in the preamble to that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I just, I don't know, I find it difficult to put it together.
Maybe I just don't see through the crystal.
jordan holmes
But then you also gotta know how to counter it.
dan friesen
Right.
Which I guess is threatened to sue, in this case.
jordan holmes
Is that what's going on?
dan friesen
I mean, it must have been for the Letitia James story.
jordan holmes
Right, because of the firefighters.
dan friesen
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
I still don't understand how the fire...
I think he just talked about the fire because he was going to talk about firefighters.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But he does get to the immigrants can have guns.
The undocumented immigrants can have guns story.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's a slam dunk.
dan friesen
And so he thought about this a lot.
And here's his conclusion.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So I really thought about this for hours last night.
And it hit me.
Let me look at her record.
Okay, she's anti-gun.
Why would she do this?
Because she sees that let illegals vote, let illegals do whatever they want, pissing in our face.
But she's just ruled, there it is, a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, which means the free people, where the government's not the boss.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
She means it as, I'm going to take citizens' guns, and I'm going to make illegal aliens the police and military, and we're going to selectively let them have guns, but not you.
But at the end of the day, a criminal, whether they're an illegal alien or a white bank robber or a black shop robber, it doesn't matter.
It's criminals of all colors.
Evil comes in all colors.
It's an Alex Jones quote.
Evil comes in all colors.
dan friesen
That's an Alex Jones quote.
alex jones
They're going to violate the law anyway, so that's why I've always said, Yeah, they passed a law in the 30s to make felons not own guns.
Hell, in the old days, you've seen it in Westerns.
It's true.
Like in High Plains Drifter, the criminals get out of jail after a five-year prison sentence, and the warden gives them their guns.
And they say to him, pull up High Plains Drifter prison scene.
It'll come up.
Skip the break.
It's real short.
And they're getting out of the prison.
This is real.
This happened.
This is a...
Written by the great Clint Eastwood, but it's based in history.
They're getting out of prison and they give them their guns.
But notice that the wardens have got their guns ready in case there's a problem.
They're shotguns.
And they say, where are our horses?
And they say, what do you think you've been eating the last five years?
That's actually how it worked.
dan friesen
That's how it worked!
This show is a fucking meme review and talking about movies that Alex vaguely remembers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I would prefer if it was a movie review show.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Instead of a movies are real life review show.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Movies are not real life.
They are not real life.
dan friesen
Apparently they are though.
jordan holmes
High Plains Drifter.
dan friesen
Very real.
jordan holmes
Accurate.
dan friesen
Based on reality.
jordan holmes
In its depiction.
dan friesen
Yes.
And this has to do with this judge who is anti-gun, although Alex has not established this in any way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's just claimed that she is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
She wants to give...
Migrants' guns.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But take them from you so they can be the police.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Makes sense.
He's thought about this deeply.
jordan holmes
That does make sense.
dan friesen
It is not just xenophobic, anti-immigrant and racist ideation that Alex has that is coloring his interpretation of this story that he didn't even read.
jordan holmes
Evil comes in all colors.
That's an original Alex Jones quote.
You can quote him on that.
Okay.
Is it a rule for Clint Eastwood that all his movies are accurate?
Like, what about the movies with the monkey?
Do monkeys actually do that?
dan friesen
Any which way but loose?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Documentary.
jordan holmes
Do they become friends?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, what else?
dan friesen
Any which way you can.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
There were two monkey movies.
jordan holmes
There were two monkey movies.
dan friesen
Two orangutans.
jordan holmes
What a world.
dan friesen
What a world.
Might have even been a third.
jordan holmes
I think there might have been.
Yep.
dan friesen
I saw that as a kid.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
I would prefer to watch Smokey and the Bandit.
Now that's a documentary.
dan friesen
That's what our 9-11 episode should have been.
A breakdown of Any Which Way But Loose.
jordan holmes
That would have been a good one, yeah.
As if it was real.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks that they have made a classic blunder with the courts.
jordan holmes
Yes, the globalists have made a classic blunder.
dan friesen
Because they were so desperate to allow undocumented immigrants to have guns, they have accidentally affirmed your right to have a gun.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how you could be this backwards about it.
alex jones
She thinks she's giving special rights to these people, but she's just undermined themselves, and she's now quoting the Second Amendment, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
She's saying, you're a citizen, you can vote, you get welfare, they're as good as the citizens.
So she uses a Supreme Court ruling to say you can have guns, because the people are the citizens.
The illegal aliens are going to have guns anyways, folks.
And a lot of them aren't criminals other than passing the border.
I say, fine, let the chips fall where they may, but don't take my guns.
So this is, again, the illogic of the left, how they only think one step.
Oh, we'll give illegals guns.
jordan holmes
Ha, ha, ha.
alex jones
That'll piss off the conservatives.
But you just admitted to the sanctity of the Second Amendment.
No luck with High Plains Drifter?
jordan holmes
No, boss.
No luck.
You actually found it.
alex jones
Crank it up.
Play it.
unidentified
Never mind.
jordan holmes
Crank up High Plains Drifter.
unidentified
Bridges?
You calling, boys?
dan friesen
I can't believe this.
jordan holmes
I can't believe this.
I really just cannot believe this.
dan friesen
This show is very dumb.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how any...
You know, like, this happened to me just a lot yesterday.
Just this, like...
This can't be real.
Because when I was a kid, people told me, they assured me, this is not how things work.
They assured me that adults were in charge.
They assured me that this, what we see around us right now, is not how things actually work.
Right.
dan friesen
No one warned you there'd be days like these.
jordan holmes
No one did.
I was stuck in the middle.
dan friesen
It's the opposite of the friends theme.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I get you.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Just so weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I guess they accidentally have affirmed the right to people to have guns, which already existed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
All right.
I still don't understand how we are managing to talk about something that he is happy with as though this is an issue.
unidentified
Well, it's not an issue for him.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's supposed to be an issue for me.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But it's only an issue for you.
dan friesen
But it's an issue for him.
jordan holmes
And he's making it an issue for me because he has to believe it's an issue for me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a weird world.
unidentified
These judges, though, they're so dumb.
jordan holmes
Is that who's dumb here?
They're so dumb.
Is that who's dumb here?
Is that who's making the blunder?
They don't get it.
unidentified
They don't get it.
dan friesen
They don't get it that they've affirmed the Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
I genuinely believe they really do.
That's where we are.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
You just said the illegal aliens can have guns.
They already got them.
You just pissed in your Cheerios.
You just screwed the pooch.
You just bought the farm.
These people are dumb.
Now, are there black women they can get as good judges?
You better damn well believe there's some really good black female judges.
But this is the archetype of the George Soros judge that they put in that's against free speech, against you having a gun.
But the illegal alien, they can have the gun.
Illegal Emirates can carry guns.
Federal judge.
Federal judge.
Illegal Emirates can carry guns.
And they quoted a Supreme Court ruling saying the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Absolutely amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this district court judge, Sharon Johnson Coleman, is a black woman.
And so maybe he has a little feeling around that.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly, the sequence of events goes thusly.
Yeah.
The court does something that I think is right.
This judge is fucking stupid, and I'm not just saying that because she's a black woman.
I believe that's the...
dan friesen
That's a large portion of the path, but I think that there's a sort of subplot underneath it that Alex actually isn't okay with this.
jordan holmes
It does feel like it's easy.
He's like, oh, if only it wasn't a black woman who did this.
dan friesen
Well, no, I also think...
Well, I think he's caught between two worlds.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is...
I hate immigrants.
jordan holmes
Black women and immigrants are evil.
dan friesen
And I also love guns.
jordan holmes
They have them both now.
I don't know what to tell you.
dan friesen
He's very tortured on this point.
But he's fine.
He's happy about this.
He's celebrating it.
jordan holmes
God, see, this is one of those things where it is like, you can only get to this point if you're already too far gone.
You can only get to the point where you're like, okay, somehow...
The court does something that I think is right, and I still hate them because of black people.
Like, if you're there, you're just already too racist.
dan friesen
Well, I think that Alex just can't say, I do think that the Bill of Rights applies to groups that I don't like.
Right.
Does he think that undocumented immigrants have free speech?
Does he think they have freedom of religion?
jordan holmes
Eh, I mean, the Founding Fathers didn't.
dan friesen
Whether they did or not.
In practice, does he believe those things?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because I think that would be telling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, we have one last clip, and Alex pivots on from talking about High Plains Drifter and loaded nonsense into SpawnCon.
alex jones
We're talking black swan events.
We're talking central medical currencies.
We're talking about all of it.
There's a Zero Hedge article today.
U.S. economic conditions screened by gold.
Look at the headline.
Right here.
But Dr. Kirk Elliott, Ph.D. economist, is here with us.
A great mind and a great sponsor selling bullion gold and silver right now.
dan friesen
That's pretty transparent.
That's about as clear a cut as you can get.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Look at this big headline that says, buy gold!
You see it right here!
Now let me talk to Kirk Elliott, a wonderful gold sponsor who sells booyahd.
Tell them Alex sent you.
So that's the rest of the show.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
I can't imagine in this world reading a Zero Hedge headline being like, buy gold!
And thinking, they want me to make money.
dan friesen
They're really out to look for my interests.
Oh, is there a put in Zero Hedge at checkout for a discount?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What benevolent folks.
jordan holmes
As a reader of Zero Hedge, I believe literally everyone in the government is out to get me and steal everything I have.
But somehow this person put an ad out for buying gold because they have my best interest in mine.
dan friesen
Well, it's just like Alex and everybody else in the right wing is really interested in your family eating during a collapse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because of the collapse you need to eat.
dan friesen
So that's why they say that.
jordan holmes
What a world.
What a world.
dan friesen
So anyway, I don't think Alex covered the Don Lemon interview well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I also don't think he did the thing that...
This is what fucks with my head.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He stormed off the show an hour and a half early the day before.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he opens this show talking about getting something wrong and having to leave yesterday.
jordan holmes
As though it physically hurt him to be wrong.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He was throwing up in the bathroom.
dan friesen
Well, no, because he watched the entire fucking Supreme Court thing that he didn't watch.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
But he acts like it was really affecting to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no further discussion of it.
And then he proceeds to get all kinds of things wrong.
It's very strange.
That dynamic just doesn't work for me because he brought it up at the beginning of the show.
unidentified
If he hadn't brought it up, no big deal.
dan friesen
He does that all the time.
He will storm off the show or be wrong about things and then just the next day it's a reset like it's a fucking cartoon.
It's an episode of The Simpsons.
No continuity.
unidentified
But he does bring it up.
jordan holmes
Which is so weird because of all the things to specifically bring up as having gotten wrong...
It is the one where it is fundamental to his belief system that everybody hates white people and is told to hate white people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And so this graph backing that up is huge for him, only to discover that the graph says the complete opposite.
So if you know that you were wrong about that, that it means the complete opposite.
dan friesen
You should deal with it.
jordan holmes
People don't hate white people.
That is fundamental to your belief system.
dan friesen
There should be at least some exploration of, like, what did you get wrong?
jordan holmes
Right.
Or pretend you didn't get it wrong.
Or just ignore it.
No one would care.
They would totally not care.
dan friesen
Right.
If I wasn't paying attention watching his show from the previous day, if I wasn't paying attention, I wouldn't even notice he left.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it would just be like, oh, he probably had to go somewhere or whatever.
He didn't have a blow-up.
He didn't storm off the set.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Could have been regularly scheduled for him to leave.
dan friesen
That's very strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is weird.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Probably no meaning to it.
jordan holmes
Never going to get to the bottom of it.
These mysteries will forever last.
dan friesen
But we'll find some new mysteries later on another episode.
jordan holmes
Next time.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's knowledgefight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
That Neo Leo thing from Leo Zagami.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
The architect of 9-11.
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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