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March 25, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#912: March 22, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to find Alex discussing his recent tweet about Gaza, then responding to breaking news of a terror attack in Moscow.

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alex jones
23:04
d
dan friesen
45:35
j
jordan holmes
26:08
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c
chase geiser
01:13
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jack posobiec
01:48
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liz churchill
01:17
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kanye west
00:02
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scott bennett
00:09
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller in the future.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is, I believe it's been over a month since you declared spring had sprung.
jordan holmes
Yes, I believe it has been well over a month.
dan friesen
And it was sweatshirt weather, and it was very exciting because it was in the 60s, high 60s even.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty nice.
Now it's been cold.
jordan holmes
It's been snowing.
dan friesen
It snowed the other day.
jordan holmes
It's snowing.
dan friesen
Probably going to continue, I would imagine.
Yeah.
But it's not just schadenfreude and like, ha ha, you're the groundhog of the podcast.
Sure, sure.
This leads me to, I had a can of soup the other day.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was like, it's cold out, soup time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I decided to have a soup.
And I tried.
I'm a fan.
Okay, fine.
Look, I'm not the most adventurous person in the world when it comes to food.
And I'm not a great cook, so I'll go with a Campbell's Chunky Soup.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I'll go with a chicken noodle.
jordan holmes
It happens.
People love it.
It's been there for a long time for a reason.
dan friesen
It's simple because it's good.
People like it.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Fine.
I was at the store and I saw they have a new one.
Spicy chicken noodle.
And so I tried it, and it's actually kind of spicy.
It's pretty good.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
So anyway, that's my bright spot.
It was not underwhelming.
I thought it was going to be like a tiny little bit of spice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it was good.
It's good.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
It does seem strange, you know, like the Campbell's Chunky Chicken Noodle Soup.
Been around for a long, long time.
This is the first time they've tried putting spice in it.
dan friesen
I think so.
No spices before.
Previously, no salt, no pepper.
jordan holmes
This is the first time they were like, why don't we put some of that stuff in there that I've been hearing about on the TV shows?
dan friesen
I find a lot of times when things have spicy counterparts, they don't mean it.
jordan holmes
No, they don't have the heart.
dan friesen
Yeah, but this warmed me up on a cold March Chicago day.
So anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is yesterday, when we're recording this.
My wife and I celebrated our second anniversary.
dan friesen
Happy anniversary!
jordan holmes
Second wedding!
It's a wedding anniversary.
We were married two years now.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
dan friesen
What's the traditional second anniversary gift?
jordan holmes
No idea.
Pearls?
What we did, she got me some nice flowers, and I took care of five dogs for a week, including her.
So we did good for our anniversary, but we cooked a really nice meal last night together.
It was awesome.
dan friesen
What'd you make?
jordan holmes
We made steak.
And Brussels sprouts and bacon, and some crispy shallots on top of those.
dan friesen
That's the traditional second anniversary meal.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is for us from now on, because that was amazing.
dan friesen
Okay, so I'm looking this up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
What is it?
dan friesen
It's cotton.
jordan holmes
Cotton?
So like sheets.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's the second anniversary, traditionally.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Modern.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
China.
jordan holmes
Modern is like a tea set.
Oh, you gotta buy her a country.
That was a big one.
Could I start small?
Luxembourg, France?
dan friesen
Yeah, you probably could do that.
They really upped the ante for the modern.
I think cotton probably is a little cheaper than China sets, usually.
First anniversary traditionally is paper, and then it got upgraded to clocks.
jordan holmes
It got upgraded?
It went from paper to clocks?
dan friesen
That's a little weird.
jordan holmes
That is odd.
Who makes these rules?
dan friesen
So you're saying that she got you flowers?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
She was way off on that.
That's the fourth anniversary.
Fourth anniversary is flowers.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
You guys are all over the place.
jordan holmes
There's so many goddamn rules with this whole shit.
dan friesen
It is.
It's an institution that's based on rules, and that's the only reason society stays cohesive.
jordan holmes
Can't I just own a woman?
Isn't that what marriage has always been about?
dan friesen
That's the traditional sixth anniversary gift.
Personal ownership.
jordan holmes
Oh, Britain.
dan friesen
Jordan, today...
...episode to go over, and we're going to be talking about the 22nd, which is Friday's episode.
A lot of stuff that happened, a lot of breaking news.
Actually, some news breaks while Alex is on air.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
In the middle of the show is when the attack on Moscow concert happens.
So we get to see that unfold in kind of real time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's interesting.
dan friesen
On Alex's show.
So we'll get down to business on this and all of the ins and outs of that.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy birthday, Noor and Lulu.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, hey, Heather, check this out.
Zob Rambi, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I heard Dragula the other day.
That song's fucking dumb.
Anyway, cheers from Portugal.
Ciao, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Mackenzie, enemies forever.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
We got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much.
To Abby, get your cat Tyler to stop eating fucking plastic.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I don't like to hype things, but people are designed to hype.
I am going to paint once a week on air, and I'm going to let callers call in.
We'll also take emails and request what you want to see me paint.
One, two, three, Matt Damon!
unidentified
Matt Damon!
alex jones
There you go.
Party time.
I'm going to get in your guts.
And the Nazis, in my view, were thugs that shook people down and did a lot of really bad things.
unidentified
But they did good things, too.
kanye west
We're going to stop dissing the Nazis all the time.
alex jones
Okay.
I'm thinking about doing some shows, too, where I run the whole thing myself, just hit record, and sit in the dark with just a few candles and candlelight.
And talk about the nature of the world universe.
I mean, you know, a big old juicy ribeye, folks, is as good as, you know, sex with your wife.
I mean, let's just get down to reality here.
unidentified
I'm gonna go Donkey Kong King Kong crazy.
alex jones
In about 45 days.
America sucks.
We're all racist.
It's over.
It doesn't mean I want to go live, say, in some places in Asia where you get off the plane over there, folks.
They karate chop you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Alex starts off the show here on Friday.
And looming in the background is that prior to this...
He had posted, there was a video that had come out of drones killing four civilians in Gaza.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex had posted the video of this saying Israel has lost the high ground.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And people had really responded to this.
It was all over social media.
People were saying, congratulations, you've been outflanked by Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
These kinds of things.
So there was a very large groundswell of attention that Alex was getting from this.
As he comes into studio on Friday.
jordan holmes
It is always nice when you see stuff being used as a prop.
You know, stuff like this.
To be used as a prop by social media people to kind of argue with each other.
That's just...
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
So Alex has this going on and he starts the show by discussing his post on social media.
alex jones
Right.
We have Israel pushing in the last few months since October everyone into southern Gaza.
And then indiscriminately bombing men, women, and children.
This is destroying Israel's image forever in the world view.
Why are they doing it?
Why did Israel stand down?
I'm going to be laying all of this out.
Just because I don't hate Israel does not mean I support what Israel is doing.
Just like I love America, but I didn't support much of what we did in 2003 in Iraq and other areas.
It's just unbelievable.
And I put out footage that they admit's real that was leaked from the Israeli Defense Ministry, because some of their people are upset, of what's clearly teenage kids.
They look kind of autistic wandering around in the middle of the road in southern Gaza, and they get killed by drones.
And it's right out of something from Terminator Skynet.
We have the up-close, very graphic footage of this.
This is footage you're seeing from far away.
And immediately I got hit by hundreds of thousands of comments, literally.
Saying it went viral, tens of millions of views, like 6 million views on my X account, but it got picked up everywhere.
This morning it was 40 million views and different versions of what I said.
People put out.
And it was, oh, these are Hamas.
You're covering up for Hamas now.
No, Hamas has tunnels under the ground.
They don't walk down the middle of the street.
So it's simply insane, and it's wrong.
And I'm going to read you the definition of genocide.
This is genocide.
And I've got hours, if you'd like, of Israeli television saying we're going to genocide them all and Netanyahu quoting out of the Bible the verses where you're meant to go kill all your enemies.
And they go, well, in World War II, we carpet-bombed civilians.
There was an up-close video of it happening.
dan friesen
So I'm a little troubled by that line of thinking that Alex seems to have, that somehow atrocities that are committed, they only count if there's up-close video of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, nobody knew until later.
dan friesen
Except people did know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't understand how that's okay.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
That's not okay.
dan friesen
It's not, but it is a strange place for his brain to go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's weird.
To think it, that's weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, you know, maybe we all think weird things from time to time.
dan friesen
Sure.
He has to speak extemporaneously for a long time.
jordan holmes
It's incredibly weird to say it.
To say it is crazy.
dan friesen
So, in the last few days, people have responded quite a bit to a post that Alex made on Twitter where he called Israel's actions genocide and said that it needs to stop, and the responses to this have been very interesting.
On the most basic level, Alex is making a point that a lot of people agree with, and it's a view that a lot of people across the political aisle from Alex gravitate towards.
It's good and understandable to recognize that Alex is opposed to the Israeli government's actions, but it's important to not pretend that he actually has a good position on this.
If you think that Alex gives a shit about the people in Gaza, you are wrong.
Alex believes that Israel stood down and allowed the October 7th attack to happen so that they would have a pretext to carry out this war, which is actually part of a globalist plot in order to send a bunch of Islamic immigrants into the United States who would be Hamas-Hezbollah sleeper cells for the globalists to use against the American public.
immigrant positions.
He doesn't talk about this issue a ton, and when he does, it pretty much always leads back to a position that boils down to, sure, I don't like what Israel's doing, but I don't want them here.
It's a bedrock of this issue for him, is this feeling of, I don't want them here.
I see a lot of people using Alex's tweet as a means of criticizing folks on the left for having bad takes on Gaza, and I understand that impulse fully.
In most circles, the name Alex Jones is basically code for a person who's an asshole and wrong about everything, so it's a dunk on other folks to essentially say you're more wrong than the asshole who's wrong about everything, but I would caution people that it might not be worth it to use Alex in that way.
It plays into his hand quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, we're just never going to get there, right?
It's like, put him in a dome.
I'm telling you, domes.
We can enjoy, we can visit him, but you can't have him out and about.
dan friesen
Do you suggest that it would be good to have him have a residency at the dome?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I mean, I would suggest that if we lock the doors from the outside, he's definitely going to.
dan friesen
He'll put on a show.
So yeah, I think that people obviously are responding to this in a way that is probably not...
Taking into account his full position.
And that's kind of intentional, I think, on Alex's work.
And another thing that you need to really recognize is, if you look at that tweet, there's no way Alex wrote it.
Not because he wouldn't say something like that, but because their syntax...
jordan holmes
It's spelled correctly.
dan friesen
It's not his voice at all.
And, you know, I think...
Give them too much credit, even when you use them as a cudgel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because, and here's the, like, fucking nail in that coffin.
There's no end to the Russia shit.
There's no end to the apologia for, oh, no, no, no, Russia's actually right.
There's no atrocity that Putin could commit that would kick him off Team Russia.
So this is not even about what Israel is doing.
This is about what's okay for Alex to say out loud.
Really.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's about where we are in a conversation on social media.
dan friesen
So he gets off this topic, although he will come back to it, because there's some other headlines that I thought he was going to actually spend more time on, and it turns out they are just things he randomly saw in his stack.
alex jones
Massive news.
Global fertility crisis threatens 97% of world population.
Top scientists warn world population to fall for first time since the Black Death 600 years ago.
dan friesen
So these are two headlines about the same research.
One of the headlines is from Sputnik and the other is from The Telegraph.
But it all traces back to a paper published in The Lancet titled, quote, Global Fertility in 204 Countries and Territories, 1950 to 2021 with Forecasts to 2100, a Comprehensive Demographic Analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2021.
When Alex says that this will affect 97% of the population, that's a reflection that the research found that 97% of the countries they modeled will have fertility rates under 2.1, the traditionally accepted replacement rate, by 2100.
The researchers used a complex model that includes varying scenarios like meeting the global contraceptive need and the implementation of pronatal policies, and according to their projections, even doing everything you can to encourage births isn't going to fully turn these numbers around.
You can do some stuff to help, but...
That's probably not going to work.
Under their assessment, it's not the end of the world or anything, but governments are encouraged to consider the implications for policy and do things like rethink our relationship with immigration and implement pronatal policies like offering parental leave and tax incentives.
Alex doesn't like that stuff, so this is just a doom headline.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
97% of the world's fucked.
jordan holmes
So their paper is kind of like this.
If you make it so it's not the single worst financial decision of your life to have a child, then people will be more likely to have a child.
dan friesen
According to their modeling, it'll make people more likely to, but may not stop most.
Countries from dropping below 2.1.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Because, I mean, boy, it's really that whole maintaining control over women thing.
You just can't do it these days.
dan friesen
That's one of the big variables that they explored was educational attainment for women and the impact that that has.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't hit them in the head and keep them in your cave anymore.
That's going to mess with the global population.
dan friesen
So this, I thought, was going to be a big thing because it's one of his big headlines.
And then he had another one that I thought was going to be big.
And so here's that.
alex jones
Huge thing happened yesterday.
We barely even mentioned it.
Should have covered it more and more developments today.
Taiwan now admits U.S. troops in Taiwan.
That's a major red line.
For China and their dictator Xi Jinping.
dan friesen
So I thought there would be more conversation about this considering the scale of this headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a big one.
dan friesen
So there aren't U.S. troops in Taiwan in the sense that they're going there to fight or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
There are U.S. troops in Taiwan training Taiwanese military.
There was a story about this recently because Taiwan's defense minister, Chu Kuo-cheng, acknowledged their presence when taking questions from the press.
But this isn't news.
The Wall Street Journal reported on this as far back as 2021, and even previous to that, Taiwanese special forces would come here for training.
They generally don't make a big deal out of this in order not to piss China off too much, but it's not like all parties aren't aware of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This isn't, um...
The crossing of the red line, like Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Things are getting tighter.
After that Hong Kong law where it's like, oh boy, you don't want to live in Hong Kong now.
After that one, Taiwan is very, very much on edge.
I would imagine so, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's, you know, why wouldn't you have American people come and train?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would want that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So I sincerely thought, like, okay, these are the top stories of the day, but it turns out it's not, really.
He mostly is going to end up...
Wanting to talk about the Israel-Gaza situation vis-a-vis his tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, it's because it's about him.
dan friesen
Yes.
And then his master plan is to go on Twitter, go on Spaces, and have people comment on his tweet and the world situation.
I think kind of trying to get a sense of where the audience is at on this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And how to play the ball.
But also, Alex gets lost in thought thinking about his earliest memories.
alex jones
Some of my earliest memories in East Texas and in Central Texas was sitting around the breakfast table with my grandfathers and my father and my uncles.
Hearing about the coming of the one world government and the mega computers that would control our every action and the beast computer in Brussels, Belgium and the plan to destroy the family and how the mega banks control the communist movement worldwide and my mother's father talking about space stations and ICBMs and army combat robots.
because he worked on those secretly.
And so it was put into my DNA 45 years ago.
46, 47. I remember being 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 years old.
And both sides of my family were not talking about the Dallas Cowboys.
Even though they watched the Dallas Cowboys and Tom Landry would come over to the house sometimes.
Visit my mom's dad.
They were best friends and roommates at UT on the UT football team.
But we weren't talking about Tom Landry.
When Tom Landry came over, it was for prayer meetings.
He and my grandfather would go back in his office for up to two hours.
jordan holmes
They were in love.
alex jones
Clyde Hammond.
Not name-dropping, just saying, that's where I come from.
dan friesen
That's a bit of name-dropping.
jordan holmes
That is a bit of name-dropping.
dan friesen
Also, I don't know, your earliest memories were your family yelling a bunch of John Birch Society bullshit around.
That's what your earliest memories were.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
dan friesen
Here's the thing I keep thinking about.
I know, from watching Alex's show so much, how often he's tricked by fake experts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
How all of these people with ridiculous credentials that they are just making up, Wander through his door, and he presents them as people who have worked on space stations.
jordan holmes
Top scientists.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Top scientists.
dan friesen
I can't imagine he doesn't have a similar relationship with family members.
jordan holmes
I mean, I...
Okay, so if you're going to tell me that...
Alex's earliest memories include his mom's dad telling him about applied robotics and how much he's worked on that.
That means that he was working on robotics somewhere between 1950 and 1980, correct?
That would have to be like mom's dad.
dan friesen
Alex was born in, what, 74?
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would like to know exactly what robots he was working on from 1950 to 1980.
Was he doing the chess robot in the 1912s?
That was actually a small person under there.
dan friesen
That was Alex's grandpa.
jordan holmes
It was Alex's grandpa.
dan friesen
You know who the guy inside the machine was?
unidentified
Who?
dan friesen
Tom Landry.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
They used to be in that machine for hours at a time.
dan friesen
That's a lot of praying.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of praying.
dan friesen
But sometimes there's a lot of prayers that need to be made.
So who am I to judge?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, there is something that always is fun about.
Like, there's the brag that Alex has that is like, we were talking about serious stuff, not the Cowboys.
Yeah.
unidentified
And then there's another brag on top of that that is like, we were friends with a coach.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're just, I mean, you know, the most famous Cowboy coach ever, just saying.
dan friesen
So we get back to the discussion of the Gaza footage I saw some footage and Israel admits it's real, admits it came from the defense ministry that was leaked.
alex jones
Somebody was upset.
I'm upset too.
That shows Israel's not some monolithic...
You know, thing, whether it's a savior or a bad guy, it's not monolithic, depending on your perspective.
It's still not monolithic.
Footage of drones killing unarmed civilians walking down the street in southern Gaza, a street that's been bulldust.
And I put it out, and I got tens of millions of views, and I got overwhelming support across the political spectrum, but there was a large minority of people saying, oh, you work for Hamas now.
And how dare you?
Because I said this looks like genocide to me.
And it fits the definition.
The erasure of a people.
Plus, they're going to take and survive, all pissed off, and ship them here.
That's now official.
dan friesen
So I can't find any confirmation that this was footage that was leaked by someone within the defense ministry.
I'm not saying that's impossible, but I don't know where that information is coming from that Alex is putting forth.
The story was originally reported by Al Jazeera, who said that the video was, quote, retrieved from an Israeli drone in Gaza.
I have a strong suspicion that Alex is making up details to the story as he goes along, because it fits better for the story he wants to tell.
Yeah.
unidentified
Also in that clip, you kind of get a sense of what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
This story isn't about him being offended at actions being taken against a people because those actions are wrong.
He thinks that killing Palestinians is part of a plot to attack the United States through immigration, which is where he really is upset about.
There's a little bit of other stuff about like is going to turn into nuclear war.
Obviously, he has some concerns.
But almost always, the road comes back to...
This is a plot to bring angry Muslims to the United States, and I don't like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he always hides the truth in the postscript, you know?
Like, here's my main thread.
I don't like the way they're doing it.
Plus, they're going to bring them over here.
And it's like, no, that's your real problem.
You just said it.
dan friesen
And you keep saying it.
jordan holmes
And plus, as though the...
Hey, just an afterthought.
I'm not even thinking about this.
But plus, my only main problem is that they'll come here.
dan friesen
And so, obviously, this ends up derailing into some conversation about immigration and migrants.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And recently, there was some video of migrants storming past the Texas National Guard.
And the razor wire fence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And trying to make it to the border itself.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The actual border patrol, the federal wall.
unidentified
No shit!
dan friesen
Yes.
And so Alex discusses this in an incredibly dystopian way.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And has some suggestions of ways that he would like to see this addressed that I don't think he can possibly support.
alex jones
This is shocking footage of the illegal aliens, the military's men.
Many of which are on tape saying, F you, we're taking over America, we're going to take your houses, we're going to rob you, MS-13, all these gangs.
The Border Patrol opens up the fence and the people run over them.
Carrying drugs, God knows what.
But the point is, this is not even a controlled destruction of the border.
It is now officially gone and it's beyond a dereliction of duty.
It is deliberate treason against this country.
So we need to declare an invasion.
This is an invasion.
We've got to get Trump in.
We've got to have the governors, because Texas is moving in the right direction, declare emergencies.
And we have to deport these people.
And that means if Venezuela won't take them back, and others won't take them back, and the feds won't put sanctions on Venezuela, the governor of Texas just seizes...
The major gas station chains, there's three of them, that are owned by Venezuela.
It's time to take the gloves off.
And they'll start taking their illegal invaders back real quick.
The Texas governor can simply order the state police to set up internal checkpoints by declaring emergency.
And this is when you do it, it's when you're overrun.
Not before the crisis gets so bad you can't fix it.
And the governor can turn back.
Any of the trucks or people that get on state roads and can seize them.
You want war?
You got it.
You brought us here.
dan friesen
So I found this shocking video that Alex is talking about, and the migrants in question were attempting to tear down the razor wire fences that the National Guard of Texas had put up so they could make it to the border wall and turn themselves in and plead for asylum.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
They weren't rushing past the National Guard and then just disappearing into the night or something.
They were trying to rush past to...
Actually get to the point where they could plead asylum.
jordan holmes
Where the laws will protect them as opposed to try to murder them.
dan friesen
Right.
With razor wire.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think it's important to remember that Alex is the guy who built his brand on being the anti-police state guy.
Am I to understand that he would be okay with internal checkpoints being erected in Texas where he would be stopped and asked to prove he's a citizen?
It seems to me that maybe all the bluster about how DUI checkpoints were the mark of tyranny, they might not have been as rooted in philosophical positions as Alex liked to pretend back in the day.
Because can you imagine him being stopped at a checkpoint and then being like, show us your papers?
And in being like, oh, you're just trying to catch migrants.
I guess this is okay.
jordan holmes
But isn't that what they, you know, isn't that what all those videos that we watched where, oh, my Fourth Amendment rats are being taken around or I will not lower this window down any further than the two inches necessary, right?
These people would all be like, oh, yes, I'll give you my papers.
I love carrying them around because that means that as long as I'm carrying them around, People are getting hurt somewhere else.
They would love that shit.
dan friesen
No, I think so.
I think that there is a feeling that Alex has of immunity from the consequences and the negative effects of this.
And so the philosophical opposition to him being asked to prove he's a citizen kind of...
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
Kind of erodes a little bit.
jordan holmes
I mean, the good thing, though, for him, though, is that if you look at it historically, anytime you have these kinds of hierarchical, incredibly violent situations where they come down on you heavily, it's never, like, corrupted and then used against people that it wasn't intended to be used for.
Especially not the people who came up with the idea in the first place.
dan friesen
That's not something that Alex has talked about incessantly.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, nah.
dan friesen
So, there is a TV show that has come out.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Called Three Body Problem?
jordan holmes
I saw it, yeah.
dan friesen
You did?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's pretty good.
dan friesen
How'd you like it?
jordan holmes
It was pretty good.
dan friesen
Yeah?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alright.
I haven't seen it.
I understand it's sci-fi.
jordan holmes
It is sci-fi.
It's very sci-fi.
dan friesen
So, Jack Posobiec posted a clip of it.
jordan holmes
Sure, and how is this gonna go wrong?
dan friesen
Well, because apparently the first episode, and since you've seen it, I'm actually pretty grateful because I didn't watch it, but apparently in the first episode there's a bit of a struggle session, according to Alex.
There's a denunciation.
Of somebody in the cultural revolution setting?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They don't like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're anti-cultural revolution.
dan friesen
Do you mean the show?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Right.
So this scene is presented as a bad thing.
jordan holmes
It is a bad thing.
dan friesen
In the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where there's somebody who's like a traitor to the party.
jordan holmes
Right, and he gets hurt real bad.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So they're pretty excited about this because...
There's never been, according to Jack Posobiec, he claims there has never been a depiction of this kind of a communist ceremony.
Really?
Yeah.
And so Alex plays the clip that Jack Posobiec had posted, and it's very long.
He plays an extended clip of this.
I feel like he thinks it's real.
And so he talks over it, hears that.
unidentified
Sure.
They're recreating the French Revolution.
alex jones
And then if you said you were guilty, they still killed you.
I'll put you in a forced labor camp.
unidentified
I'll put you in a forced labor camp.
alex jones
A bunch of dumb young teenagers being wound up in the state.
And now they're killing.
unidentified
Yay!
alex jones
Burn down the buildings.
And Kamala Harris bails us out.
And then years later, they give per city $20 to $50 million of Black Lives Matter for the good job they did.
Getting them ready for when Trump wins to burn the country down again.
And that's the whole plan.
The CIA is running this right now against America on record.
unidentified
The CIA is running this right now against America on record.
alex jones
So there you go.
And now they say illegal aliens can have guns.
dan friesen
So that's where the mind goes after a clip from a sci-fi show.
jordan holmes
All right.
So the Cultural Revolution, right?
I just don't know if he quite understands the idea behind the Cultural Revolution.
dan friesen
I'm not positive.
Where do you think there are gaps?
jordan holmes
Well, I don't understand the immigrants with guns.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I actually don't understand what it is the CIA is doing.
Is the CIA doing a cultural revolution to us?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Does he know what the cultural revolution was?
dan friesen
He saw this clip that Posobiec posted.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I was worried about.
dan friesen
Right.
So, it's my understanding.
I don't know.
I read the Wikipedia page about this.
jordan holmes
About the Cultural Revolution?
dan friesen
No, this book.
Apparently, there's dehydrating aliens or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's in there, too.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Well, I mean, the depiction of the Cultural Revolution is accurate.
It's fucked up, man.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's really fucked up.
dan friesen
But it's an inciting incident of a negative.
In the context of the story.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I don't know why Alex...
Alex is saying that this is being shown as, like, this is what the globalists want.
The CIA is running this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's very confusing.
jordan holmes
Wait, but I thought Posobiec's point is, like, this is groundbreaking.
It's the first time that we're allowed to criticize the Cultural Revolution?
dan friesen
But I don't think that they would argue that it is criticizing it too much.
I'm sorry?
Well, because all of this is devoid of context.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah, okay.
So the context of that is instead, let me kind of put this in a larger context.
Because of that inciting incident, the human race goes extinct based on a choice that a person made because of how awful people were.
So essentially, that opening is the death of humanity.
That is the death warrant for everyone that's ever lived.
dan friesen
So in that sense, that's not really the way that they're talking about it.
jordan holmes
No, it's the worst thing that has ever or could ever happen to anyone ever in that show.
That is that.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you're not going to get that from the Posobic clip or Alex's coverage of it.
jordan holmes
Probably not, probably not.
dan friesen
You're talking sort of about glorifying this a little bit.
jordan holmes
No, no, because of that, a person...
Kills everyone!
Sentences us all to death by alien conqueration.
dan friesen
Dehydrating aliens?
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
Okay.
I thought that was strange.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
I just watched the show.
dan friesen
Alright, I'm not judging you.
So, yeah, they're going to burn down the country.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And now we've got footage coming out of guns being delivered to the migrant centers.
Yes, you heard me right.
That's coming up.
I can't believe they're actually doing it, but they are.
We're only eight months away.
They're planning to burn everything down, to say it's all white people's fault, these Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and the illegal alien brigades, the military-age men, to do this.
This is actually the end of the country we're staring down the barrel of right now.
All run by the CIA, all run by the FBI, all run by our government.
So, here we are.
What are we going to do about it?
We can stop this, folks.
We need the governors to face it, come out at press conferences.
We need to recognize there's a plan to do it.
And then by exposing what they're planning in November, they'll have to back down.
But you have to admit what you're about to be hit by to stop it.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
Point of order, Alex does not play.
Guns being delivered to migrant centers.
jordan holmes
Oh, he doesn't?
dan friesen
That promise is unfulfilled.
But yeah, I find that this is so unsatisfying.
They're going to burn down the country.
This is the plan.
You watched this clip from the sci-fi show.
This is the plan.
This is all what's going to go on.
Now, we can stop it by talking.
We can just talk about it, and if we talk about it enough, they'll have to stop.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, when you say they're delivering guns to migrant centers, what do you see?
Do you see like a big semi-truck?
You see crates.
So we got a whole semi.
We got somebody with a big 16-wheeler.
They open up the back.
This is a migrant center with like, what, 150 people?
They open up the back of this thing.
They pull out crates upon crates of AR-15s and any number of automatic rifle.
dan friesen
I see either crates or that scene in The Matrix.
jordan holmes
The scene in The Matrix.
Okay, so the...
So what you're saying is you don't see what I instantly see, which is a bunch of dudes with kind of bad red trucks opening them back up with a bunch of loose guns.
Just being like, hey guys, come on down!
dan friesen
It's got to be somewhere in between the two.
jordan holmes
Somewhere in between.
dan friesen
I feel like we're both, we're at different ends of the spectrum.
jordan holmes
I think it's probably more safe to drive with them in crates than just loosies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is what I'm calling guns now.
dan friesen
Okay.
You just want to get a single?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just want to, give me a loosey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to the situation with Gaza, and he discusses what he believes the plan is.
alex jones
I want to understand, and I do understand.
What's really going on, and it's very sophisticated, and it's very evil, and it's to create a class of civilizations.
The globalists were heavily involved in staging 9-11, then they go and destroy the Middle East and other areas, and they bring tens of millions of those people to Europe and to the U.S. Then the left indoctrinates them, and the universities indoctrinate them in basically communist, globalist, anti-Western, anti-Christian propaganda.
So there's a Hegelian dialectic of problem-reaction solution going on.
So I'm not for bringing the Palestinians here.
I don't believe in destroying Israel.
But I also at the same time don't want the U.S. to be involved, and I'm sick of foreign aid to any country unless it's purely humanitarian.
We have our own problems here.
Our country's collapsing.
dan friesen
There is no such thing as purely humanitarian issues for Alex, if you've ever listened to his show.
There is no situation in the world where you'd be like, Yep, that one's good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we just need to help.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't exist.
dan friesen
So Alex's problem is not that civilians are being killed or that war crimes are taking place.
It's that he believes that this is being done as part of a plan to bring migrants to the United States who will then be brainwashed into being communists and allowed to vote for Democrats.
That's the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the issue here.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In case anybody was confused about what our main issue here is...
That is the issue.
dan friesen
That's his issue.
jordan holmes
That's the biggest problem that we are facing right now.
That is the issue.
Just to be clear.
Okay, now that we got that.
dan friesen
This is what animates and is behind Alex's verve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So he talks about this a little bit, but he mostly talks about things he didn't say about Israel's response.
alex jones
I'm sitting here just trying to be a reasonable person and call balls and strikes.
And I care about everybody, but I understand the geopolitical things that are going on.
And we see October 7th happen, and it's terrible.
Kidnappings, murder, abuse.
And I come out and say, I think it's horrible.
And then, within a day or two, prominent Israelis and former generals and others come out and say, look, we had attack helicopters five minutes away, and we had thousands of troops ten minutes away.
Why did we stand down for at least seven hours?
It's more like nine.
A complete stand down for seven and a half hours or so.
Israel's tiny.
She can drive from Tel Aviv in 45 minutes there, and a lot of former military and reservists got in their cars and drove down there and tried to protect people.
There was a lot of friendly fire and things.
It was a big disaster.
I never said Israel staged the attacks or killed their own people on purpose.
Most of them got killed by Hamas, but some did get killed.
You're in a war zone.
So it's also been falsely attributed that I'm saying Israel staged all this and that Hamas isn't real.
No, that's not true.
Hamas is very real, funded by Hezbollah, which I said would later take credit, which they have.
But then why did Biden give them $6 billion a month before?
Why did Biden then defend Iran and say they weren't involved?
Well, they were.
Because there's a lot more calculus going into this.
You've got Jared Kushner saying we're just going to take Gaza and turn it into a nice oceanfront property.
I mean, there's a lot of provocative stuff going on.
dan friesen
Oh, Jared Kushner's saying some provocative stuff here?
You mean Donald Trump, the guy you support for President's son-in-law?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The guy that Trump made head of Middle East Affairs?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Jared Kushner's saying that kind of stuff and you're really worried about it.
It sure would be bad if his dad got into office.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
Anyway, there sure is a lot of conversation there about positions Alex claims that he never had going on.
jordan holmes
Never said this.
dan friesen
Weird that he doesn't mention that on his show on October 7th, half of his time on that show was an infomercial for his book featuring the dude who actually wrote it.
Yeah.
He seems to have forgotten that.
So there's a lot of open questions about the Israeli military response on October 7th, but I cannot find definitive evidence that there was an intentional stand down that's stronger than pointing to circumstantial evidence and jumping to that conclusion.
There is definitive evidence that there was foreknowledge of Hamas' plans, but that alone is not enough to establish this point.
Even in the most generous interpretation, Alex's version is off, since there wasn't a complete stand down.
There are many reasons that have been offered for why the response to the attack was delayed, but what's important to...
jordan holmes
I think, here's what I think on that, is that it makes more sense to blame that than to really kind of get into what it is that surveillance does, you know?
There is a massive weakness in surveillance, which is that you don't know what you're looking for.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So if you have to look at everything, then you wind up seeing nothing.
dan friesen
There's that.
And then there's also the complacency that comes along with surveillance.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I can see everything.
There's nothing coming that I can't see.
And then it turns out 9-11.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it happens.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There are dynamics that are like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then there are just logistical dynamics that are things like...
Hamas took over roads and made it almost impossible to travel.
It was a holiday.
There's things like that that Alex just discounts.
So there's the kind of psychological impact of a high-tech surveillance state.
And then there are logistical, just physical realities.
jordan holmes
And the asymmetric force, of course, means that they're like, oh, there's no way that they would actually attack us on their rickety bullshit.
dan friesen
He expresses that if he gets shit over this, he's going to talk about it a lot more.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, it's him again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Again, if anybody's mad at me...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm going to talk about this more.
jordan holmes
Just to be clear.
alex jones
I mean, if I wanted to demonize Israel, it'd be really easy.
In fact, look out, because if I get attacked for this, people claim I'm making this up, I'll just do weeks of shows showing you nothing but war crimes.
And we are going to show some of those war crimes, ladies and gentlemen.
My argument for showing some of it but not making it my central issue is the U.N. shutdown of the world for three years in the Third World, two years in the West, has killed over 80 million people from starvation, the U.N. admits.
Not the virus, but the lockdowns.
So we don't hear about the 80-plus million that starved to death, malnutrition, from the lockdowns, which were very intense in the Third World, Africa, Latin America, Asia.
We only hear about the 20,000 dead Palestinian civilians, which is terrible.
Then I ask, why are we being shown this constantly, and why is Israel putting it out and making these incredible statements while we're not talking about the global mass extermination that even rivals what Mao Zedong and the Communist Chinese did?
In fact, the globalists with all this lockdown starvation and cutting off fertilizer and food have already killed more people than Mao Zedong did.
So there's that.
So I don't lessen what's happening to Palestinians.
I'm like, okay, that's important.
What about all this?
So there's larger things at play here that people aren't talking about big picture.
And it's very tribal, very simple to choose the Israeli side or choose the Palestinian side.
I'm pulling back and saying, day one, why did Israel stand out?
dan friesen
So you can kind of see here how Alex doesn't really care a lot about this issue, but he sees it as a way to further his other talking points.
Alex is taking the horror of what you see being done to Palestinians, and he's using it to fuel his fear-mongering about immigrants.
He's taking that horror and telling you that it's a minor thing compared to the supposed lockdowns that have killed everyone everywhere that is really what's important.
You see this exact same impulse generally through a ton of Alexis'
What comes to mind is the way he covered the And justifying not caring.
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a moment of real truth at the beginning of that clip where Alex says that if he gets attacked for this, he'll cover it a lot more.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because of course he will.
Because if he gets attacked, that means he gets attention.
Negative attention is still super profitable for him.
So what he's saying is basically this is a bit of a test to see if he gets flack for this, which will then he'll pretend that means he's over the target.
If no one's too upset about it and doesn't move the needle, he'll just go back.
To being fine ignoring war crimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in order to farm engagement first, you have to sow the seeds.
You know?
That kind of thing.
I want to think...
I can't get this thought out of my head.
If I wanted to demonize Israel, I could do it easily.
Like, that as a sentence means...
Like, if you think about what that means, it means an awful lot.
But most importantly, it means there's a certain self-awareness of, like, if I wanted to make you hate Israel, I could.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have the power over you.
Not like Israel's done something.
Sure, if I wanted to tell you all of the horrible things that Israel did, I could.
Sure, if I wanted to tell you all the horrible things Trump did, I could.
But I'm hiding those from you in order so you believe what I want you to believe.
Like, that's in that sentence.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I mean, it is.
There are...
Awarenesses that are revealed oftentimes whenever he decides it's time to change the storyline.
The best example I can think of is the way that he kept becoming aware of things that William Barr, former Attorney General, did whenever he was on the outs with Trump.
He'd suddenly become aware of something he did in the past.
Connections to Epstein and stuff.
And then when William Barr was doing things that are good, hey, I'm not aware of those things anymore.
It's very conditional, and I think that you're right on.
I can change your perception about this if I want to.
jordan holmes
And in a way that also is like, listen, I don't care what atrocities they commit.
I'm choosing that they are fine this time, you know?
How could you say that?
dan friesen
I'm choosing that they're bad, but I'm only going to use that in order to further my other points.
I'm not going to use that in and of itself as a thing to cover.
This is only about a piece of a larger plot that connects to my overarching conspiracy, which has to do with bringing migrants to kill me to the United States.
jordan holmes
I'm just fascinated that he would...
I mean, that's such a weird...
It is so weird that we allow people to say things that are so fucking pregnant with meaning and then we just go like, eh, no big deal.
dan friesen
He's a weird guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Weird.
dan friesen
So he talks a little bit more about there being a stand-down.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But then he admits he doesn't really know a lot.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Why did Hamas know the Shin Bet and Mossad safe houses on the border and where to attack?
Because they were...
Given the blueprint of where to attack and where to strike by somebody, and I don't know who, I'm simply saying probably the same folks in order to stand down.
So Israel would then have the pretext to go into a full war footing, invade Gaza, commit atrocities, turn the whole world against Israel, and then elicit attacks out of Lebanon, out of the West Bank.
And out of other areas, so then the ruling group in Israel that's had a revolution against them with forced injections and all the tyranny can stay in power.
I don't know if it's Netanyahu order to stand down.
I don't know.
We know what happened.
Biden says Netanyahu should stand down.
A lot of people think the people under Netanyahu want him out, so they stood down to demonize Netanyahu.
I don't know.
Other people will lie to you and say they do and simplify it because they're pea brains.
I look at things and do deep research before I make a moral judgment on what is the proper thing to do with God watching me.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
So I am not the Jews' enemy.
I am not the Palestinians' enemy.
And Lord knows, I know that many of these Muslim groups are not cuddly little friends.
So why are you bringing them here?
Why is Israel saying they're going to take them here?
So Israel says these people are so bad they can't even be allowed to exist, but you're going to then give them to us?
No!
And as I said a few months ago, that was my line in the sand where I began to really say Israel's losing the high ground.
dan friesen
So that's really all you need to know.
The Israeli military could do anything they want to any number of Palestinians, and Alex would not care at all if he didn't think that there would be increased refugees possibly coming to the United States.
He doesn't care at all about the people, and whenever it looks like he does, it's just a case where you're being fooled by a xenophobia being in disguise.
There's a lot of similarity to how he'll sometimes pretend to care about the treatment of Uyghurs in China, but then when it really, you know, the rubber meets the road, he'll say, I don't care what you do to them, just don't bring them here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Feed them, because then they'll stay there.
Or kill everybody, because then they won't come over here.
That's not important to me.
One way or the other, what's important is they're there.
dan friesen
Right.
And Alex's response to notions of killing everybody there is like, come on, you're not going to be able to.
And that's kind of even on its own a disturbing response.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I...
unidentified
How...
jordan holmes
Okay.
I make a moral judgment on what to do with God watching me.
What does that mean?
Does that mean that if God wasn't watching?
dan friesen
Well, but that's an impossibility.
God watches all.
jordan holmes
Right.
So why do you have to feel like you have to add that redundancy if you believe that God is watching all?
dan friesen
Just to make a point of it.
jordan holmes
Just to make a point?
Just to remind everybody in case anybody who's wondering omniscient God is still hanging out?
Boy.
Man, if you're omniscient and you still need people to remind people of that, you're not doing your job well.
dan friesen
I think it's just Alex trying to add weight.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
To what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Trying to give a little zhush.
dan friesen
So he knows, he has all of these conclusions about everything that is rock solid.
He doesn't know details about them, but the overarching thing is definitely true.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
He knows that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But he doesn't know any of the details.
jordan holmes
That's trouble.
dan friesen
And some people will tell you that they know everything in their pea brains.
jordan holmes
That is also trouble.
I agree, but not the right kind.
dan friesen
No.
So you saw Dune, right?
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
It was great.
Alex did too.
jordan holmes
Loved it.
alex jones
When I went and saw the new Dune movie that's excellent, way better than the first one, which is okay, the whole thing's a Muslim uprising.
jordan holmes
It's one movie.
alex jones
The whole thing is tailored for a Muslim uprising against the American Empire.
Months before 9-11, they had Pearl Harbor movie come out, all perfectly timed.
This is all meant to create a global Muslim uprising, and out of this worldwide crisis, they will then destroy the Muslims and bring in a world government.
I don't want to be part of that.
I'm against that.
I'm against World War III.
We're going to go to break.
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dan friesen
Yikes.
jordan holmes
That was not good.
dan friesen
So did you feel that Dune was priming the world for a Muslim uprising?
jordan holmes
I mean, what I do appreciate...
What I do appreciate is that Frank Herbert did specifically and obviously model it upon Muslim peoples, whereas a lot of people talking about the movie are like, oh, you know, just any old rabble-rousers.
No, it was specific.
He was choosing people.
That was an idea.
So good for Alex for recognizing that.
Everything else he said was wrong.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
By a margin of incomprehensibility.
dan friesen
A country mile?
jordan holmes
A country mile would be a great way of describing the distance.
dan friesen
But yeah, I enjoy this broad declaration of they're setting the stage and everything.
All of these things that are going on are being done in order to provoke and incite and predictively program a Muslim uprising.
And then they're going to kill the Muslims off and bring in a world government, which...
I don't know why they needed the vaccine for this now.
There's all kinds of layers to the conspiracy that I don't understand where they fit in exactly.
But whatever.
Leave that aside.
You gotta buy the product.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Here's the thing.
Okay?
Here's the thing about Dune.
And here's what is frustrating when people talk about Dune.
Whenever there's a lot of people talking about Dune, is that there's people who know the later Dune books, and the context that that provides to the earlier Dune books makes you fucking insane.
dan friesen
But I think that Alex is supposed to know all of that.
jordan holmes
He's supposed to, but he doesn't.
He absolutely does not.
There are things you have to wrestle with, and he does not do that.
dan friesen
He said that he's read Frank Herbert's deeper writings.
jordan holmes
Yes, I imagine.
dan friesen
His letters.
jordan holmes
Listen, if you read Chapter House and Heretics...
Right?
If you're Alex, all you're thinking is, man, there's a lot of good sex stuff in here.
As opposed to what I was thinking was, man, there's a lot of gross, creepy sex stuff in here.
Take that away.
dan friesen
So Alex, you know, he does his plug and he goes out to break.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he comes back and he's trying to show the show's feed on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And it doesn't work.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And so he gets mad.
alex jones
And let's go to X right now.
I want to show people on Real Alex Jones.
The headlines I put out, because they boil it all down for people to understand exactly what is going on and what is unfolding, not just here in America, but around the world.
I'm live right now reporting on what I believe to be clear evidence of genocide being committed by Israel and Gaza.
Please join me live on X, where I will be simulcasting the second and third hour Of my show today.
Again, that is the live show feed.
If you want the video feed, just overhead shot.
I'll show people on my phone.
You go to Real Alex Jones on X. Overhead shot, please.
You'll be able to see the live.
I want to rebroadcast for a while.
I got to reset here.
I was totally loaded for bear hair.
Totally ready to go.
I'm not able to do that right now.
I've got a lot I'm going to break down here, a lot I'm going to get into.
This is going to be very, very important, very, very informative.
unidentified
Pata.
God.
alex jones
You guys just roll whatever you want.
unidentified
He surged to the border.
All those people are seeking asylum.
dan friesen
Yes, Alex storms off.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Storms off the show.
jordan holmes
Because he can't put the tweets up on the screen?
dan friesen
I think so.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I think that's really what's at issue here.
jordan holmes
That's the whole thing.
Can't put the tweets up on the screen.
dan friesen
A little mad at the crew.
Not getting the overhead shot that he wants.
This might set records for the shortest time away.
Because he comes back like...
A minute and a half later.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It's very fast.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
And he almost acts like he didn't do it.
unidentified
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
Like he didn't leave.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
I had to go.
I had to go.
When you gotta go, you gotta go.
dan friesen
Right.
And look, I understand.
I mean, people are volatile creatures.
And I think that a lot of times, you know, you can have reactions to things.
I think this is...
One of the reasons most people don't want to do, like, three, four hours of live broadcast every day, because you're gonna, you know...
jordan holmes
This is reasonable.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's so many moving parts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Every machine breaks down.
dan friesen
Stop doing this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be the smartest move.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a testament to the courage of so many people, the courage and sacrifice of so many people that cowards like Alex can pretend to be brave now.
Criticizing people, you know?
It is...
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we get to another conversation here of the plan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And this is...
Again, I'm just trying to reinforce that when Alex is talking about this issue, when he's talking about the treatment of the Palestinians, it is only a tertiary concern to him.
jordan holmes
He's talking about the border.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Israel's not stupid.
Why would they be doing something like this?
Here's a little quote from Galloway, a member of the UK Parliament.
And this is confirmed, this is going on, that they plan to ship the Palestinians to the United States and to Europe.
Well, meanwhile, the border is wide open for all these Muslims coming in.
So we're told they're the most deadly people on earth.
We've got to shoot men, women, and children.
We've got to bomb everything.
But you're going to take them.
That sounds like Israel, the people running Israel, using America as a toilet.
So I'm not anti-Israel.
I'm neutral on this.
But I will also not be attacked by Israel when they destroy a whole population, or destroy most of it, and then ship the pissed-off remains to my country.
Be organized by the left.
And the universities into this anti-Israel, anti-America thing, which Israel wants to be persecuted because that gives their leaders even more power.
I figured it out.
You figured it out.
It's victimology.
dan friesen
So yeah, you figured it out.
You look confused.
jordan holmes
Holy fuck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not confused.
unidentified
That's one of the most disgusting things.
jordan holmes
For somebody who's making moral judgments based on God watching them, I would not want God watching me if I said that out loud.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that.
dan friesen
Doesn't sound good.
jordan holmes
Honestly, honestly, if anyone should be grateful...
That his literal god does not exist.
It should be Alex.
I can think of no one who would hate Alex more than the god that Alex professes to believe in.
dan friesen
So after the outburst and storming off, I guess they got things figured out, and they're now on Twitter, on the spaces, and Chase Geyser is running the board.
Sure.
Yeah, you know, after...
The sort of conversation that Alex had about Don Lemon and the awareness that Alex has of the being paid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It makes it very strange that he's constantly on Twitter spaces as opposed to taking calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that it's migrated a bit over to that.
It feels...
jordan holmes
Well, you do get money for like...
dan friesen
Engagement.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people get money for engagement.
You don't get money for just taking calls.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So if people are going to call you and you might get money for it, then take the money.
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
It's just the sacrifice of old man house phone is the heartbreaker.
It is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Louisiana, the gentleman.
jordan holmes
He's not coming back.
dan friesen
The gentleman Charles isn't on.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
He's not on Spaces.
So we get a call from a guy.
I thought this guy sounded like real weird.
chase geiser
Let's hear from Tristan John.
Tristan, go ahead and unmute yourself and speak.
Whatever you have to say.
unidentified
Hey, Alex and Chase.
Thanks for having me on.
I just had one thing to say.
I feel like America's been doing this the last who knows how many years.
alex jones
80 years.
unidentified
Yeah, go look at Ukraine.
Go look at our border crisis like you mentioned earlier, Alex.
You posted that video.
I mean, a bunch of people have posted that viral video.
Well, what are we going to end up doing?
Like, we're involved in too many things.
We're not thinking about our own state right now.
Like, it's insane for me.
I'm representing the 4th District of Colorado right now, and it's just massively...
I feel like it's overpressed.
There's too many different things, angles going on.
dan friesen
Yes, your eyes got real wide there.
jordan holmes
Do you mean he's...
In the 4th District?
Or do you mean he is a congressman representing the 4th District of Colorado?
dan friesen
See, that's what you would come away from somebody saying that.
jordan holmes
That's what I would think.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
One or the other.
dan friesen
If you're saying, I'm currently representing the, you know, you'd think, well, you're in an elected position.
jordan holmes
Or you're there and you're telling us what's going on in there.
I get that interpretation.
unidentified
That's not the one that you're trying to give off?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And this guy is not an elected official.
jordan holmes
Okay, thank God.
I was like, man, I know it's bad, but can we not have people in Congress calling into Twitter spaces?
dan friesen
Yeah, Colorado's fourth district seat in the U.S. House of Representatives is currently vacant since Ken Buck stepped down.
The seat is going to be filled in November, but that primary isn't even until June.
And the State House of Representatives, this guy's name doesn't match that person either.
jordan holmes
He's not Ben Huck or whatever.
dan friesen
But that's what he wants.
I swear, your eyes got so wide when he said that because that's the impression that's supposed to be...
jordan holmes
That's what he's doing, yeah.
He's doing that on purpose.
dan friesen
Yeah, very strange.
So, most of the calls are not really that...
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's a lot of...
jordan holmes
I mean, it's Twitter spaces.
dan friesen
There's a lot of agreement, broadly, with Israel's actions, the government military actions against the Palestinian civilians is unacceptable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This needs to stop.
That is generally, and I don't think anybody calls in that I can think of who disagreed, honestly.
It's a position that Infowars listeners in this Twitter space...
Fine with.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know what Alex's response to that is going to be, because it's not really that controversial.
There's not fighting that's happening because of it in this Twitter space.
He's not getting a lot of shit for his position.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, if the standard of being above the target is you get a lot of flack, certainly not seeing that here.
jordan holmes
I mean, even the government at this point is like, maybe we should do something.
And we've been paying for the whole thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, it's like, you are not taking a courageous stand if the financier is finally going, maybe we should cut off the flow.
dan friesen
So, this leads to another call that Alex gets where everything changes.
chase geiser
Alright, let's hear next from a really good cheeseburger.
Are you still with us?
Go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say.
unidentified
I'm delicious.
chase geiser
Okay, it looks like a really good cheeseburger is just listening.
Let's hear from Truth Seeker.
Truth Seeker, go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say.
unidentified
What's going on, brother Alex?
Again, it's good to talk to you, brother.
It's good to talk to you too, Chase.
How are y 'all doing?
alex jones
We're here live, reaching millions of people right now.
unidentified
Not to change the subject completely, but did you see where there was an attack in Russia just a little while ago?
About 10 minutes ago.
alex jones
No, we didn't.
What, another drone attack or what happened?
jordan holmes
It was at a theater saying there was explosions.
unidentified
Let me tell you exactly what it was at.
It was a Corcus City Hall concert venue is what it was.
There was an attack, explosions and everything, heavy gunfire.
alex jones
Guys, type in attack in Russia.
No, I did not know about that.
Tell us what's happening.
unidentified
Just a massive explosion they heard.
I guess people are, I'm not sure exactly the full details because it just happened.
alex jones
Well, NATO has said they're now going to move to terror attacks in Russia.
Again, there it is breaking.
A club and shopping center in Moscow, Russia, appears to be the target of a terror attack, multiple gunmen and military-style fatigues, recorded shooting at people with rifles in the concert hall.
So they're trying to push Russia into direct war.
Wow.
Yeah, look at that shopping mall on fire.
dan friesen
So immediately upon hearing about this, Alex has his narrative set.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The amount of information that he has regarding this particular thing.
dan friesen
Well, you heard him get all of that information that he has.
jordan holmes
And the quickness with which he has created an entire scenario.
dan friesen
He knows it all!
jordan holmes
It's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm sad to not hear from a really good cheeseburger.
I do think that's the one thing that I like about Twitter Spaces, is the potential for Chase and Alex to have to use people's fucking stupid aliases.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the gamer tags and the names are always fun whenever people...
People are forced to say them out loud and treat them as a real name.
dan friesen
Also, this is one of two people who go by Truthseeker who end up getting through.
So that might be a little bit of a...
jordan holmes
Listen.
dan friesen
A little too standard of a name.
jordan holmes
There's nothing that points you out as somebody who is not one of those sheep who just goes along with the crowd like having the exact same name as everybody else around you.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
I hate to say that I distrust anybody who calls themselves Truth Seeker, but you're playing from a disadvantage.
You're starting off on a bad foot.
jordan holmes
When great writers in the fucking 1800s started calling people shit like Truth Seeker, even then everybody was like, man, just fucking Tigger down a notch.
Call him Terrence.
Terrence is a great name.
dan friesen
Not a bad name.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex evolves this narrative pretty quickly and pretty smoothly.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
We're in the end times.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
You brought this up.
We're showing footage right now, not on the Spaces, but on the X-Feed at Alex Jones' channel, Real Alex Jones.
This is people, it looks like, in military garb of the Ukrainians shooting people at a music event.
Wow.
unidentified
Crazy Tom's wearing, brother.
jordan holmes
That's all I wanted to point out.
unidentified
God bless you all.
Just keep fighting the fight.
jordan holmes
We're all NFL warriors and just keep fighting the fight.
alex jones
Brother, glad you brought that up.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Started 10 minutes ago.
dan friesen
So you can tell that Alex is obviously interested in reporting the story in a particular way and that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
They're in Ukrainian garb.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the one thing I'm really struck by on this episode is how much Alex seems to be invested in playing what amounts to gore footage.
He plays the video of the drone killing in Gaza multiple times and even zoomed in.
He plays a long stretch of the shooting videos that were released by WikiLeaks from Iraq.
He plays that murder scene from Three Body Problem sci-fi show.
And now he's playing the video of this breaking news in Moscow that's...
Grotesque.
It's very excessive for the span of one episode.
And it's notable.
I don't know what it means exactly, but Alex is really interested in airing this footage, playing these videos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very strange.
A lot of this is like...
Do you remember how often people were like, oh, video games are going to desensitize you to violence?
Like, there was that stretch of time between, you know, 2004 and 2015 where it was like, anytime somebody talked about video games, it was like, oh, it's going to make the kids psychopaths, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think even Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I genuinely think it's gone the complete opposite direction.
The people who play violent video games are not psychopaths, but everybody else fucking is.
Like, Alex doing that just like, hey, That is desensitizing people to real violence.
That's real violence.
Whenever I play a video game, I enter into this false reality knowing it's not real.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
I'm not desensitized to anything.
I'm going into a false reality.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, definitely.
jordan holmes
This is desensitization.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
This is what it is.
dan friesen
And it's...
Frying people with extreme stimulus, which may be the same, like, it may sort of play in the same waters.
But there is also just a, like, it's overriding your ability to experience and think in the moment.
You're seeing these horrors and you're seeing this awful shit, and then Alex is feeding you.
Be afraid of people at the border.
Totally.
And that's the way that all of this emotional energy is intended to be directed.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It's grotesque.
jordan holmes
The amount of atrocity and the lack of giving a fuck about it from Alex is kind of what is so scary.
Because to me, it feels like the reasonable response from an Infoware, not an actual...
Reasonable response.
But if I'm an info-warrior listening to this, my response is like, well, I don't care about people elsewhere.
Period.
I can't.
The only thing I do, anytime I care about people outside of the United States, I just go, there's murder happening.
And it feels terrible, so I'm only going to care about the murders happening here, you know?
dan friesen
Well, and whenever I see something happening, how is this about me?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that is also the impetus and the instinct.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell, man.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about this footage in Moscow, and he has some takes.
alex jones
Look at that burning shopping mall.
What the hell?
Man, this is...
They're trying to get Russia to over-respond.
Chase, can you feel the danger?
chase geiser
Yeah.
And the thing that comes to mind looking at all this is something Jordan Peterson said that I really admire and believe comes to mind all the time.
If you think it's scary what a strong man in leadership will do, just wait until you see what a weak man in leadership will do.
And this is what the world looks like when somebody like Joe Biden is the president of the United States.
alex jones
Yeah, let's do this.
Let's fade up the audio fader and start with the burning building.
Start with the attack on the concert.
Start with it.
Oh, they're downloading the videos right now.
Download them right now.
I'm going to play the audio.
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Really wants to play this video.
And I feel like Chase is strange because he's blaming a terrorist attack in Russia on Biden.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sight unseen, not knowing any of the details, not knowing anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
This is Biden.
This is because Biden's too weak.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So ISIS took responsibility for the attack in Moscow.
But you don't know that.
At this point.
No.
And you would never know that listening to Alex because it's NATO and Ukraine that did it.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Somehow Biden's at fault.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he's weak.
dan friesen
Because he's weak.
jordan holmes
If Biden was strong.
dan friesen
Like Trump.
jordan holmes
This wouldn't have happened.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Because when Trump was president, stuff like this did not happen.
dan friesen
It never did and it never would.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because everyone knows not to fuck around.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he's strong.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has a prediction of what's going to happen in response.
alex jones
Give me all the articles.
I'm here to download the videos.
Shopping mall blown up by armed troops.
Looks like a hundred of them in Moscow.
Putin might hit forces in Ukraine with tactical nukes, or the globalists may do it and say he did it.
They already caught Zelensky firing missiles into Poland.
Get me Jack Posobiec.
I'll probably take over the fourth hour if he can do it.
I know J. Dyer, guest host understands who knows I take over.
Call Jack Posobiec.
He's so smart.
I want his take on this now.
dan friesen
Get me Posobiec.
The guy who cried at Comet Ping Pong Pizza.
jordan holmes
Did somebody write a note, pin it to their chest?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Call Jack Posobiec?
dan friesen
He found a dead chef with a...
Call Posobiec.
jordan holmes
That would be a hell of a name to spell right on your suicide...
dan friesen
I know how to spell it, and I still don't...
jordan holmes
I'm not confident.
But in that moment, being able to spell that name correctly and pin it to your chest?
That's quality.
That's quality stuff.
dan friesen
So yeah, it's fun that Alex's response is that he's gonna maybe technically nuke Ukraine, or maybe the globalists will do it and say that Russia did it.
Because later, Posobiec comes on, and somebody else, and they're all like...
They're not going to do that.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
dan friesen
That's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
And they kind of scoff at the idea of suggesting that, and then Alex doesn't say it anymore.
So he gets shamed a little bit.
jordan holmes
It is so easy to bully him.
dan friesen
So Alex is done talking about the drone in Gaza footage.
Now it's Moscow.
jordan holmes
Only Moscow.
unidentified
Which tells us everything we need to know.
alex jones
Spaces, speakers can still talk about it.
I'm not censoring you.
But holy hell!
A Moscow shopping center is on fire.
Reportedly hundreds of dead men running around in Ukrainian uniforms shooting and murdering people.
It is absolutely off the chain insane.
And again, we had Jack Pacific on months ago and weeks ago saying they've hired this terrorism expert.
He called it.
dan friesen
So I think that if I'm somebody who has heard a lot of Alex's content over the years, I would take the idea that someone might be in Ukrainian uniform as evidence that it's not them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That seems to be the way that Alex's mind works.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Subterfuge.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, false flaggery.
dan friesen
That seems to be his brand.
jordan holmes
You know, the people disguising their true intentions behind a visage of some sort.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In this case, though.
dan friesen
I also think that he's making up the Ukrainian uniforms there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think they did make that up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the issue is, everybody needs to pray.
Maybe for two hours.
Sure.
That Russia...
jordan holmes
Is Tom Landry dead?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, he is.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And it is time to pray.
Okay.
That Russia be restrained.
alex jones
This is insane level stuff.
Let's do this.
We got like six videos that we've gotten the audio for.
They're in Russian.
Start with the burning mega shopping mall in Moscow.
People shooting people inside a music event.
People killing men and children inside the mall.
And reportedly hundreds of dead, folks.
I mean, you better pray to Jesus the Russians hold back.
This is meant to get Putin to start nuking stuff.
And you know, why would they do that?
The globalists all got bunkers, folks.
They want to depopulate us.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, that's all just Alex extending out the implications of his narrative and his storyline of what he imagines is happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's how the coverage goes.
jordan holmes
Ah, boy.
I will tell you this.
The one...
The one piece of solace that I truly take is that even the billionaires and even the richest people with their bunkers will still enjoy a nice tree from time to time, so I'm not too worried about nuclear winter.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, I get it.
You could survive in your bunker, but wouldn't you like a tree?
Wouldn't you like a tree or two?
dan friesen
This is why...
unidentified
Some grass?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
But you can...
Terraform your bunker.
jordan holmes
I think it's probably better to not do the nuclear...
It is safer to not do the nuclear winter.
dan friesen
I think generally across the board, almost everyone agrees with that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Almost everyone.
jordan holmes
Almost everyone.
dan friesen
Near universal...
jordan holmes
Near universal is the problem.
That qualifier is a real dick, isn't it?
dan friesen
So Jack Posobiec has predicted this attack.
jordan holmes
Somehow.
dan friesen
He's...
So sagely.
And Alex is like, man, if only I could find the clip of him predicting it.
Wouldn't that be powerful stuff?
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And so he ruminates on that for a little while.
alex jones
When I sit here and talk about how great Jack Sobik is, it's not to kiss his ass.
I mean, I want to hear from him yesterday on this.
Imagine how powerful it would be if I had the crew to have him a year ago, six months ago, two months ago, a month ago, literally saying massive terror attacks on civilian targets like shopping malls.
And other events.
unidentified
And they just did it.
alex jones
I don't want to be the only guy that's like, oh God, he predicted this and that.
The guy's so smart.
Once you figure out the enemy plan, folks, you can all do it.
I don't want to be territorializing this like I'm the big brain bug.
And I know all the...
I want to stop this.
I've got four children!
We are so close to nuclear war right now.
I am getting chills every second.
I can barely do the show right now.
I am so pissed off at Victoria Nuland right now.
You found a clip of what?
You just already found a clip in two minutes?
Wow, the crew is over the top.
In two minutes, they just found it.
Rockstars.
Here's a clip.
jack posobiec
I'll tell you, it's going to be, on one hand, they will claim that is the stabilization of Ukraine.
They're going to say we're going to stabilize the conflict.
Look, Biden knows this thing's a loser.
He doesn't want this thing going on all the way to 2024 while he's got an election coming up.
He's going to claim to want stabilization.
What we're going to see are more of these provocations.
Thank you.
Provocations going on in the backfield.
You're going to see attacks potentially on Polish troops, Polish civilians.
You're going to see attacks on Russian civilians, Russian civilian infrastructure.
Remember, they murdered a truck driver in cold blood to take out the Curt Strait Bridge.
That's exactly who these guys are.
They're willing to take out civilians.
dan friesen
So they found a clip that's close, but that's not the clip that Alex wants.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because he doesn't say shopping malls, and Alex is saying that he directly predicted this shopping mall thing.
Alex is really hung up on that.
jordan holmes
Well, it does seem like the crew is under the top, then.
dan friesen
Yeah, well, they're close to the top.
They're approaching top.
All right.
jordan holmes
They're hanging from, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's good enough.
It's good enough.
Alex doesn't leave.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's good.
That's good.
dan friesen
That's how I know that it's good enough.
jordan holmes
It's good enough.
dan friesen
But Alex does make a point that he's like, that's not the one I was talking about.
unidentified
It's not the one.
dan friesen
There's other ones.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Better ones.
jordan holmes
Doesn't matter.
dan friesen
More prophetic ones.
jordan holmes
Doesn't matter if there are or aren't.
There were.
dan friesen
So they give up the search for Posobiec being a prophet, those clips, and Alex plays some video of the attack.
And I'm going to play this because of what Alex says over it.
Yeah.
Trigger warning, and I would not generally want to play, because you hear gunshots, and it's upsetting, the reality that Alex is playing this video on his show.
But, you know, it's somewhat valuable to understand where his mind goes and what he says over content like this.
alex jones
Men in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
shooting people with shotguns.
You think Russia's going to do something now?
And the Ukrainians have been all to the news saying we're going to strike inside Russia.
They have been with drones.
They've had cross-border attacks.
Jesus Christ.
I can feel the danger, folks.
My spotter says it's never wrong.
Right now I'm feeling extremely guilty that I did not leave two weeks ago with my family in the Southern Hemisphere.
But I felt it.
I said, I feel like we crossed the Rubicon.
Look at the shopping mall in flames from miles away.
Massive terror attack.
Can you imagine?
Probably 50 men to 100 men did that.
Can you imagine the million?
Muslims in America, military-age men, can you imagine the 10 million in Europe, what they can do when they decide to go crazy?
dan friesen
So this is what Alex does with content like this.
He plays it.
It obviously is disgusting and emotionally visceral, and he uses that to instill those feelings and plant them.
And associate them in the audience with Muslim immigrants and Muslim Americans, honestly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, we've seen that movie, right?
dan friesen
We have!
jordan holmes
We've seen the movie where the guy talks over a mass shooting video about how here are the people who did it and here's what you need to do to them.
We've seen that video!
dan friesen
I feel like I've seen it on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
We've seen that movie play out a lot.
dan friesen
It is repulsive behavior, but this is the dynamic.
This is what Alex is trying to achieve with content like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's just no other way to...
That's...
And he doesn't...
What's so fucked up, he doesn't even know how incredibly fucked up that is.
dan friesen
I wonder.
jordan holmes
That was just part of it, you know?
dan friesen
I do wonder if on some level he understands the...
The deeply fucked up-ness of this being the kind of content.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
He probably thinks RoboCop was a hero story, so.
dan friesen
I've heard him talk about RoboCop, and I do know that he doesn't understand it.
unidentified
I can tell you that.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
Yep, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So Chase Geyser comes in.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
With a little bit of an interesting question.
Do you mean he pops off?
He erupts with a question that I think probably should be on the tip of every conspiracy theorist's mind.
alex jones
What do you make of this?
Can you feel the danger?
chase geiser
Yeah, I can absolutely feel the danger.
And the crazy thing about this is it's never obvious initially, except for maybe to you, Alex.
You were really good about this with 9-11.
Who's actually behind it?
So 9-11 happened.
90% of Americans believed that it was a terror attack because they hated our freedom.
And they didn't have any inkling to think that maybe it was planned or a false flag or we knew it was going to happen, allowed it to happen.
So I'm wondering, what are the odds, Alex, that it's right after this election for Putin, what are the odds that Russia wants this to happen so they can use it as an excuse to escalate?
alex jones
He's won by 87%.
He's trying to de-escalate.
The Ukrainians said we're going to stage terror attacks.
They're on record.
chase geiser
Yeah.
alex jones
I blame Russians in 10 seconds because I hope they did it because they'd use it for domestic.
No, this is full war.
I just pray right now Putin has restraint, Chase.
dan friesen
Yeah, so no, no way.
Not a chance.
Not a chance.
No way.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
No Russia false flag.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
And to be fair, I think that people jumping to that conclusion on social media were just as wrong as Alex immediately jumping to blame Ukraine.
You know, like it's...
Just because you believe that someone like Putin as a leader has the ability to do something like that does not mean that he did, and does not mean that every incident is.
I think that there were at least a fair amount of people who had that perspective that I think were just as reckless as Alex's coverage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
Putin's so personal.
He always knows, and he likes it when they know.
That they got murdered by Putin.
dan friesen
Like to pin a note?
jordan holmes
I mean, if you look back at a bunch of them, he's got a real personal kind of, you know, whenever it's him.
dan friesen
Well, I think that this obviously has echoes of the apartment bombing.
I think that a lot of people bring that sort of baggage into it.
And I think that Alex might, too.
It's just that his stance on that is that it wasn't a false flag now.
jordan holmes
This is so weird because, I mean, five years from now, you know, well, Lord knows what five years from now looks like, but does Alex not be on Rush's side and then say that this was a false flag?
dan friesen
I think there's a lot of...
jordan holmes
But even though it wasn't!
Like, you know, like, is he going to be wrong about something that he's deliberately...
Not entertaining because of his bias.
dan friesen
I think if there's one thing I know about Alex, he has an astounding capacity to be wrong about things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And wrong in interesting and diverse ways.
jordan holmes
Novel even, yeah.
dan friesen
But who knows?
I mean, there's so many different variables about the way that things could play out that would change the...
Levels of awareness that he has about various things.
Storylines, allegiances, associations change at a whim.
So, I mean, who fucking knows?
But I do think that Chase is asking the exact question that should be on the mind of a conspiracy theorist.
And Alex is just, no.
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it was reported these people did it.
I'm a conspiracy theorist, so I cannot possibly believe that.
dan friesen
Except in this case, I do totally believe it.
jordan holmes
And Alex is like, yep, nope, this one they got right 100%.
dan friesen
Wow.
So, we get some more calls.
We go back to the Twitter space.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this one person has a recommendation of someone Alex needs to talk to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
chase geiser
Liz Churchill, you have joined.
Are you still there?
Please unmute yourself.
liz churchill
Yes, I'm here.
And I'm just looking at this Russian terrorist attack right now.
And I actually think it would be an excellent time to discuss what Scott Bennett has told your audience in the past.
And he recently broadcasted from Global Freedom TV.
alex jones
Former Army intelligence, high-level officer, great guy.
liz churchill
He has been 100% correct.
So, with saying that, he did state yesterday on his podcast that this would exactly happen.
And here we are.
alex jones
I'm going to get Scott Bennett on right now.
Keep going.
liz churchill
I'm going to get Scott Bennett on right now, and this is very important, Alex, because Scott Bennett stated yesterday that the U.S. is planning to do the exact same thing.
And they're planning to do it soon.
He made this warning yesterday.
unidentified
He spoke with Dr. James Fetzer.
liz churchill
And they had a conversation together and it laid the blueprint.
dan friesen
Yikes.
So yeah, Scott Bennett is a longtime associate of Jim Fetzer, someone who Alex is supposed to believe is a complete lunatic who he wants nothing to do with.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Fetzer published the book No One Died at Sandy Hook, so he's a person that Alex should be really aware is not cool.
And people who choose to associate with him regularly should be met with some skepticism.
unidentified
You'd think.
dan friesen
In a sane world, Alex would realize that Bennett is a guy who goes on Fetzer's show and calls everything fake and spouts a ton of bullshit, so he should discount him out of hand.
Instead, Alex seems to think he...
He's a really legit guy.
So Bennett is not former high-level officer or army intelligence, any of that fact.
In fact, he's a bit of a fraud.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
I say that because he was sentenced to three years in jail in 2011 for pretending to be an active-duty officer when he wasn't.
jordan holmes
That is a bit of a fraud.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in April 2010, Bennett was arrested for a DUI near the gate of MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, at which point he had a concealed loaded handgun on him and a shitload of weapons in his car.
As the case unfolded, it came out...
jordan holmes
Taking him to an immigration center.
A migrant center, right?
dan friesen
Probably taking him back to his home on the Air Force Base.
Because it came out that he actually had an apartment on the base, which he had conned the military into giving him, posing as a soldier, attached to the head of Special Operations Command, which is housed there.
He'd lived on the base for three months under these false premises.
He'd routinely pretended to be active duty.
He would wear military uniforms to keep up the act and everything.
In reality, Bennett was an Army reservist who'd only ever been on active duty for one week to attend a training session.
However, a contractor for Booz Allen Hamilton, a position he found himself in after he had gotten a job with the RNC, and it pivoted into that.
He probably could have gotten away with this for a whole lot longer if he hadn't been drunk driving with a ton of weapons.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it is one of those things where the twin confidence that you need to pull off a dumb shit like that is also what...
It leads you to drinking and driving with a bunch of guns in your car.
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
You fly too close to the sun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the same impulse.
dan friesen
He got arrested and charged with this massive fraud, so naturally he's now a vaunted expert for the most unhinged conspiracy shows online.
If a complete fraud who's a longtime associate of Jim Fetzer is saying the stuff you want them to say, then that guy's a great man, who has a sterling reputation.
And this is where I start to think back to Alex's earliest memories of his family working on space stations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's definitely that.
dan friesen
Maybe he's not such a great arbiter of...
jordan holmes
I just hate that it's like...
No, you should be like, that's the guy who did it, right?
Oh, he predicted it?
No.
He orchestrated it.
He's in on it!
dan friesen
You think Scott Bennett did it?
jordan holmes
Obviously!
He's gotta be in on it!
You can't predict things!
It's Operation Scott Bennett Woods!
That's what's going on, man!
dan friesen
No, Scott Bennett's got an alibi.
He was crashing at another Air Force base under false pretenses.
jordan holmes
Just going from Air Force base to Air Force base.
dan friesen
I do think there is an almost catch-me-if-you-can kind of element to...
The nerve that it takes to go to an Air Force base and start living there.
jordan holmes
Of all the places.
dan friesen
Stashing tons of weapons there.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Because also when they searched his apartment, they found all kinds of weapons that he was not allowed to have.
jordan holmes
Of what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The places to do that.
That's almost like...
Nobody would ever believe I would have the balls to do this.
So obviously I'll get away with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No one would ever do this.
dan friesen
In terms of somebody who, like, had turned their life around and maybe was on a better path.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think this is a funny story.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
In terms of someone who is still defrauding people and pretending they were a high-level intelligence expert and all this, it's not cute.
jordan holmes
No.
Nope.
Not cute at all.
dan friesen
Also, one of the things that I learned was that he had a bunch of weapons that were, like, you know, guns and knives and stuff, but also throwing stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay, so are you telling me that he did three years for impersonating an officer?
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
Among the other crimes.
jordan holmes
Okay, so possessing all of those illegal weapons that he shouldn't have had.
dan friesen
I don't remember if that was one of the charges.
jordan holmes
On an Air Force base.
dan friesen
I assume the DUI probably...
jordan holmes
He was not allowed to be on...
Against the law for...
It's against the law to be on an Air Force base and live there if you're...
dan friesen
I imagine he could have been there, but...
Fraudulently getting an apartment there.
jordan holmes
It feels like that was a great day for the judge.
The judge was reading through that case just being like, I don't even know what justice means no more.
dan friesen
Yep.
This guy has confused me.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So this same caller has another topic that she wants Alex to address.
liz churchill
Princess Kate has just admitted she has cancer.
alex jones
Good God.
jordan holmes
What?
liz churchill
Yep.
That's what has happened.
She put out a video stating that she has cancer and that she's at the beginning stages of treatment.
And it was a very difficult time for her and her family to explain it to her children.
And she wishes privacy.
alex jones
Yeah, they may have already killed her.
Who knows?
liz churchill
So we can grant her privacy.
alex jones
Alright, thank you so much, Liz.
Churchill's doing a great job reaching 10 million today.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
That's strange.
jordan holmes
Okay, when did they kill her?
If they have already killed her.
dan friesen
She never lived.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, what was the time when...
dan friesen
She's been a hologram the whole time.
jordan holmes
Well, we were trying to do stuff, but I guess we just have to kill her.
dan friesen
I think that the underlying implication and the way that this will end up getting spun is that she got a vaccine and that gave her cancer.
So I assume that that's eventually where we'll land.
But Alex is...
I think he doesn't give a fuck, and that's why he's like, they probably killed her already.
That's a real dismissive, like, I don't want to talk about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't give a shit about the queen, or the future queen.
Wait, is she a future queen?
jordan holmes
No.
Who cares?
Fuck them all.
dan friesen
I don't know how the royalty works.
jordan holmes
Royals don't count.
But, here's what I'm saying.
Alright, here's what I'd do.
I'm in Kate's shoes.
I get a terminal diagnosis.
That's tragic.
I don't like it.
Terrible.
But...
I'm going out exactly the same way Princess Di did, and that would fuck up the whole world forever.
Like, if I could orchestrate that thing, do it just because I had been given a terminal diagnosis, then the entire conspiracy theory world would never recover from that, right?
There's no way to recover!
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Two princesses?
Same way?
No recovery.
dan friesen
I agree with you.
I think it feels to me, the sense that I get, and granted, I haven't been watching this super closely, but it doesn't seem like this conspiracy...
Has attracted the same type of conspiracy theorist as people like Alex.
I think that the Where is Kate conspiracy theorists are far more like...
jordan holmes
They're just more celebrity people.
dan friesen
Yeah, and people who are interested in the royals and what have you.
jordan holmes
I don't see a difference.
dan friesen
But yeah, I think Alex...
You can tell he's not interested in this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who cares?
dan friesen
If she died just like Di, I don't think...
jordan holmes
She was already dead.
Well, but it's not that exciting because it's really just like she disappeared.
If we had a...
I have no idea what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
So Alex brings in Posobiec.
jordan holmes
Yes.
We got a hold of him.
dan friesen
Yes.
And they found that clip.
But they're not going to play it.
alex jones
Jack Posobiec, naval intelligence, expert in all this, the most accurate person.
It's just true.
unidentified
Ever.
alex jones
In the last few years predicting all this, was on a month ago, two months ago, five months ago.
The crew did a great job in just 30 minutes.
They found a bunch of these clips.
But in the interest of time, I'm going to archive this at Bandai Video.
I'm going to archive this.
At X today will post this.
In the interest of time, unless Jack says play it, I'm not going to play him predicting it.
Millions of people tune in today.
You heard him predict terror attacks on things like shopping malls, universities, government buildings.
I remember him saying it.
The crew, to their credit in 30 minutes, found it.
That's the needle in the haystack.
dan friesen
In the time that you're explaining this, you could have played it.
This screams to me.
They found clips, but they're not as good as a...
jordan holmes
They are not what I remembered them being because my memory works the same way my mind does, where I make up what I would prefer to have have happened.
dan friesen
And in the interest of time, we're not going to play those clips.
He says that repeatedly.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Takes a lot of time doing so.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Posobiec has a take on this.
And who knows who actually did the attack in Moscow?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
A lot of possible suspects.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
But...
You know why they did it, and that's because of NATO and Ukraine.
jordan holmes
No, again, I do not know why.
jack posobiec
There are many groups within Russia that are opposed to Putin and opposed to Putin's regime.
And so if you were working at the CIA, if you're working at one of these agencies, you wouldn't necessarily go directly to Ukrainian groups.
You could also find potentially anti-Putin Russians like the ultranationalists and others to do your dirty work for you.
So, again, we don't have confirmation yet, but there's a lot.
A lot of potential suspects, put it that way.
dan friesen
Yeah, put it that way.
We don't know who did it, but once we do, we're going to say that they did it on behalf of Victoria Nuland and the NATO forces, and it's going to be because of Ukraine.
And it's going to be...
False flag on that front once we find out who did it.
jordan holmes
Just too many movies.
Just too many movies where it's like, oh, the terrorist group is just gonna take a call from somebody who's representing NATO.
unidentified
Bring, bring.
jordan holmes
You can't tell anybody I'm representing NATO, but we're gonna give you a lot of money, untraceable, of course, to perform terror attacks elsewhere.
Not gonna be associated with us at all.
Like, yeah, not true.
dan friesen
This, to me, is the cart before the horse.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Like, almost definitively.
We know the story.
We're going to apply to whatever group this does end up being.
But we're not letting the actual story guide the story we're telling.
We're telling the story, and then we'll make the details fit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we talk about wet cement.
They're like, eh, we'll just make a mold.
We haven't even poured the cement, but the cement will fit in here.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll figure it out as we go along.
Details will be fudged.
Everything is fine.
So Alex does get Scott Bennett, a noted squatter, onto the program.
jordan holmes
So Alex heard Scott Bennett was just on Jim Fetzer's podcast from a person and then was like, well, we're still going to get him on.
dan friesen
Yeah, we got to get him.
jordan holmes
He didn't go, that name is a fucking alarm.
dan friesen
I think he still kind of has positive feelings.
jordan holmes
Seems like they like each other still.
dan friesen
Wild.
Scott Bennett seems like an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
alex jones
Scott Bennett, former Army intel officer, blew the whistle on incredible things.
He was on his show yesterday.
We had that clip, too.
Predicting terror attacks in Russia.
Scott Bennett, quickly, what do you think is really behind this?
We'll go back to Jack Posobiec.
scott bennett
This is the last death throes of a bunch of mongoloids with mental syphilis who mumble in ebonics, otherwise known as the Ukrainian CIA mercenaries.
unidentified
Woof!
dan friesen
That's a hell of a sentence.
jordan holmes
Did he just say ebonics?
dan friesen
He did.
He did.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He said they mumble in Ebonics.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
He's bringing a lot of baggage to this coverage.
jordan holmes
I do not understand any of what's going on here.
That is inexplicably racist in a lot of ways that I don't even understand.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I'm not sure that my listening to the limited amount that he's on the show for the rest of the time helped clear any of it up.
I got no answers for you.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Just seems like a prick.
jordan holmes
Just a real piece of shit racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jack Posobiec comes in, and this is our last clip we have here.
And he also is of the mind that there is no chance that this is a Russian false flag.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
Right.
jack posobiec
I'm being told, and by the way, I'm seeing on Twitter right now, I'm seeing on X, that there are people saying that this is a Russian false flag operation somehow, that the Russian government and the Kremlin ordered this.
This is what all the neoliberals, all the NAFO people, the Malcolm Nances, are saying.
Why would they do that?
Why would they want to show weakness?
Why would Putin want to show weakness after he just had this huge electoral victory, gives this huge celebration speech, etc., etc., and now he's going to come out?
And let his people be killed like this or order something like that.
It's ridiculous and it's nonsensical.
alex jones
Well, let's go further.
jack posobiec
This is trying to break the resolve of the Russians.
That's what they're attempting to do.
alex jones
Jack, I said this again.
We're live right now, but I've got like seven clips of you now, they tell me, predicting this last three months.
So we're going to add this in post or air it later.
It's going to go on X today.
You can retweet it.
jack posobiec
I wish I was wrong, Alex.
I wish I had been wrong.
dan friesen
In the interest of time, we're not going to play all these massive amount of clips that we've found of you, but yeah.
So I think that if you allow this kind of thinking, then all false flags probably aren't actually false flags.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand.
dan friesen
You know, Bush was just elected in 2001.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, why would he want to show weakness?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He'd just want to project strength to the world, and here he has 9-11 happen.
This argument is deployed inconsistently.
Because it's in service of the conclusion they want as opposed to it actually being a reason why something is or isn't a false flag to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, listen.
Alright.
If Putin is next to you, if Putin is watching you or surveilling you, Putin won the election.
In any other circumstance, no one believes that it was an election.
Nobody believes that whatsoever.
And if you act like it was, you are embarrassing yourself.
If Putin's right next to you, he won that election because he's a fucking great politician.
He campaigns better than anybody else on the planet.
Putin is not near you.
He did not win an election!
dan friesen
Well, maybe that's kind of the point.
Is that Putin is like an imaginary friend to them, and he is always with them.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
Yeah, I mean, like, come on.
Listen, you like him, but I mean, still, there's no way you can credibly convince yourself that that was even close to a Democratic vote thing.
dan friesen
I disagree.
It was one of the most legitimate elections that has ever happened.
jordan holmes
I mean, but see, you can't, like, even if you try and pull, like, that's over the top.
Try and say something that is like...
dan friesen
But that's kind of what they say.
jordan holmes
I know!
No!
But you try and sell it.
Try and sell me.
Like, act your balls off, Dan.
Sell me on this election.
dan friesen
It was a tight one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Late voting tended to...
I don't know.
I can't do anything.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm trying to...
dan friesen
Yeah, so we come to the end, and I think that there's some...
Important things to keep in mind.
And it is kind of notable that it runs through both of these stories.
The one that Alex wanted to cover, and then the terrorist attack that ends up derailing and taking away his attention from the primary subject of Gaza.
And that is that all roads lead back to immigration.
This is anti-immigrant sentiment that is being masqueraded through...
Coverage of atrocities against civilians, uh, or, uh, the, uh, the people who are, you know, the terrorist attack in Russia.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he, it's, it's just almost fucking, uh, what would I say?
Faustian, like the, the pushing a, a horrible, uh, dehumanizing, genocidal agenda through...
The performative empathy of caring, you know?
Like, that's the real dark shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whenever you hide it in empathy, that's dark.
dan friesen
It's upsetting, and I think that...
I don't know that a lot of people are being necessarily fooled by Alex's performance of something that looks like empathy.
But I still think even if you're not being fooled by it, using him as a prop to be like...
Even he gets it.
That is tacitly saying that he gets it.
And you're signing off on a number of unspoken and underlying aspects of the narrative that, of course, aren't first and foremost in the tweet, per se.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
Alex exists on the extreme, which means you cannot treat him like other...
Like other people, you can't.
dan friesen
He's a specific case.
jordan holmes
So it is like 99% of the time, if you are engaging in the like, see, even Idiot A knows this, you're fine.
But if it's Alex, you're still wrong.
You're still doing a bad job.
You're still hurting people.
dan friesen
And I wonder if it is the case that, in a lot of those cases with Idiot A...
It is bad.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
We just don't realize it because we don't have as much awareness about the person.
jordan holmes
And maybe if we were more careful about Idiot A, we wouldn't wind up with Idiot Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's true.
So, we come to the end of this and...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Bluff is a good...
Yeah, that's a good onomatopoeia.
dan friesen
And we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's knowledgefight.
dan friesen
Yep, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
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