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March 15, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#909: March 13, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in on the present day, only to find Alex reflecting on cannibals and seeming to beg the courts to put him out of business.  Also, Dan learns a lot about Dune.

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alex jones
29:29
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dan friesen
36:36
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jordan holmes
24:15
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chase geiser
00:05
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
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KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you today.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is not a bright spot.
It is actually a call-out.
jordan holmes
A call-out?
dan friesen
Unicorn-alicious Haribo's.
It's a seasonal, I guess, Haribo gummy candy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I got burned.
I got burned.
I bought it because it's different.
jordan holmes
Do they taste like real unicorns?
dan friesen
I've not eaten a unicorn, so I'm not entirely sure.
But I did not realize this until I got home.
I looked at the back and I saw that the flavor...
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Well, you know, usually you're expecting some fruity, berry flavors.
jordan holmes
Watermelon, something along those lines.
dan friesen
Sure, and you got some of that.
You got berry punch.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You got tangerine.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Tangerine's good.
I don't understand why you don't just say orange.
It's getting a little fancy.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Putting on airs.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
So then it gets bad.
Banana.
jordan holmes
It's bad.
Banana's tough.
dan friesen
Banana is not something you...
It's not fruity, or it's not juicy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know if I want that.
jordan holmes
Only the runts have ever done a good banana.
dan friesen
Debatable.
Fair enough.
But here's where it all falls apart.
Cotton candy is one of them.
jordan holmes
No, no!
dan friesen
One of these things is not like the others.
All fruits and then a cotton candy.
Disastrous.
Tastes like shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, fuck you, Haribo.
jordan holmes
But also, thank you for continuing to try, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Hope springs eternal, but this one was bad.
Right.
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is my wife's mom came and picked up the puppies.
dan friesen
Got rid of those five.
jordan holmes
Or three of them.
Back to just the two.
And I'll tell you what, by the end of it, I think we got the hang of the whole thing.
You know, cleaning stuff, making sure everything's...
We did paper our entire living room with pads, with pee pads.
dan friesen
That's sensible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When you get five things plus peeing in the living room.
Because once you have five things peeing, you might as well join in.
jordan holmes
You might as well just go.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody's peeing on the floor at that point.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's seven beans.
jordan holmes
It just changes the whole calculus.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But yeah, I swear to you.
By the end of it, Jake was depressed.
He was so sad.
dan friesen
Jake went in depressed.
jordan holmes
He was so sad.
He was so...
He got his ass kicked by a dog half his size.
You know, it was sad.
And now he's much better.
dan friesen
Thrilled to have an empty nest?
jordan holmes
Thrilled.
Could not be happier.
dan friesen
Well, I'm happy for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
That's great.
And you get a little bit of a reprieve.
jordan holmes
A little bit, a little bit.
A lot less poop on my fingers.
dan friesen
You're gonna miss it.
Soon you'll miss it.
You'll be like, oh, where are those other dogs?
jordan holmes
I miss Sonny, the little good pup.
But the tiny ones, the super young ones?
Terrorists.
dan friesen
They hadn't learned yet.
jordan holmes
Terrorists.
dan friesen
And learned to not be terrorists yet.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about the 13th of March, 2024.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Checking in, seeing how Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's a lot of news flying around.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he has an obligation to cover it, I guess.
jordan holmes
It is his job or something.
dan friesen
So this is Wednesday.
Today's show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we'll get down to business on this, and a very disappointing Twitter space.
He does another Twitter space, and I think it's just like, please fake Elon Musk, show up.
And he doesn't show up, and it's kind of disappointing.
But we'll get down to business on this episode here, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea!
dan friesen
So first, Cola Kitty and Yezen, pronounced Yezen, I saw that in advance, are coming to see you in Toronto.
Thank you so much for now, PolicyWonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Hey, how about that?
Next, Kirkletons.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Camille is a man's name, and I'm a man.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Fancy Salmon has advanced to the castle age.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And Don't Trust the Trees.
They're just waiting for you to exhale.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Alex's Colombian dolomite dealer.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken over here!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I...
Was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
He's not.
And this technocrat drop is relevant today because he spends quite a bit of time talking about his impending demise.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So we'll start off the show with Alex giving a little bit of a breakdown.
Some news headlines coming up on today's show.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, do we have a full plate today?
Georgia Drudge dismisses the main charges against Trump, saying no evidence at all, and that they lied in the indictment, saying they had detailed evidence of all the lies that was vomited out of the mouth of George Soros and Jack Smith into the mouth of Fannie Willis.
We've got those big developments.
dan friesen
So, in the Georgia case, Trump was facing 13 felony charges, and the big news is now he's facing 10. This is a purely technical matter where Trump and other defendants were charged with violating their oaths of office, but the indictments don't specify specifically enough what these oaths were and how they were violated.
The court determined that because of that they don't provide the defendants with the ability to intelligently prepare their defense since it stands to reason that any number of oaths could have been broken in any number of ways.
These charges weren't thrown out necessarily.
They can be recharged, and they very well might be.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But you can see the way Alex operates with this.
It's a pretty solid piece of optics, so he's making the most of it.
These charges were too vaguely worded, so they've been quashed.
And to fully capitalize on this story, these are the most important charges in the case and basically illustrate that the whole thing is falling apart.
There are plenty of very serious charges still left on the table that I think Trump's team should be more concerned with.
But Alex's game is all about appearances.
This news can give the appearance of a big win for Trump.
And that's what the audience wants to hear.
So that's what we're opening out of the gate with.
This whole thing is a disaster.
It's a house of cards.
jordan holmes
That's a great way to start your show.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Victory.
unidentified
Great news.
jordan holmes
Great news.
dan friesen
Trump's only being charged with 10 felonies in this count.
jordan holmes
18 consecutive life sentences, not 20. 18. Yeah.
Now we're cutting it down.
dan friesen
Right.
Those three were too vague.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
I like the idea.
dan friesen
Let's have a parade.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of...
And I understand.
I understand how the justice system works.
This is impossible.
But in my head, when it's somebody like Trump and the crimes are that, just...
So much.
You know, like, we don't have to go.
Like, there's a part of me that's like, hey, listen, let's not deal with all the specifics.
Like, oh, charged with two counts of...
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
He's just charged with him.
dan friesen
He's just charged with it.
jordan holmes
Too much!
Too much him!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, that's at the end of the day, but they will probably say that's what did him in.
jordan holmes
That's basically...
dan friesen
He was too himself.
jordan holmes
Just so much him.
dan friesen
So we got some more news.
alex jones
GOP effort to stop illegal immigrants being able to vote, basically, and be apportioned for new Democrat congressional seats shot down in the Senate.
The Democrats unanimously say, nope, we want illegal aliens to be able to vote.
We want to be able to count them for voting in congressional districts.
dan friesen
So here's the actual headline from Fox that Alex is supposedly reading.
Quote, GOP effort to stop illegal immigrants being counted for House District Electoral College shot down in the Senate.
The whole voting thing is fabricated by Alex to add to the story, and there's nothing in this story that indicates that the goal is adding new Democrat seats.
I've noticed that this is the new pseudo-intellectualized Great Replacement-type talking point, and it's becoming more widespread.
Folks like Alex are happy to keep pretending that every undocumented immigrant can just vote all they want, but the people who want to be taken more seriously have to find a slightly different way to stoke these fears, and vague notions of congressional appointment is a good way to do that.
We've talked about this before, but the GOP actually benefits from the counting of immigrants and the census numbers for congressional seats.
It's all just xenophobia and assumptions.
Also, the bill that Alex is talking about would not just have affected undocumented immigrants.
It would have also stripped permanent resident non-citizens from being counted and added a citizenship question to the census, which has been shot down repeatedly in the past.
It's all just poor reporting on Alex's part.
Poor details management.
jordan holmes
It does feel like every 10 years or so we get a little bit better, but then they find a new way to be like, okay, we're going to write Jim Crow laws.
But like, what if we did it a little bit nicer?
You know, and then it's like a little bit nicer.
And then a little bit nicer.
dan friesen
Where do we find a slightly new way to say it that catches people off guard a tiny bit?
Exactly.
unidentified
Okay, I see the game.
jordan holmes
Like at the beginning of the Muslim band.
He calls it a Muslim band.
And they're like, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
But you can come back with like a paired depth.
No, no, you can't.
He already called it what it was.
dan friesen
Rephrase it a little.
No.
unidentified
You're to yourself.
dan friesen
No.
So, the other big piece of news that's going on on this day has to do with Haiti.
And, you know, there's unrest and people are posting on social media all kinds of stuff.
alex jones
Oh my goodness, do we have some crazy news for you on the case of Haiti.
But instead of just talking about what's currently happening with Haiti, how many times did I say in the last four years...
Since they launched the COVID attack and the poison shot and all the rest of it, that the real attack was the IMF and World Bank instructing the third world.
That means Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, a lot of Asia, a lot of the Middle East.
Whereas we had a couple years of lockdowns in Europe, a year or so in the U.S. or less, a couple years in Australia.
They had three years in much of Africa and Latin America because the IMF and World Bank would tell them, if you don't follow the U.N. directives, They're not trying to codify this treaty.
We're going to cut your debt programs off.
Where they loaned them millions decades ago, they now owe hundreds of billions.
So with that comes incredible control.
And so what have I said, probably 500 times or more here, till your ears bled?
When the first world collapses, the third world dies.
So they admit that 80-plus million people have starved to death extra than normally starved to death.
Normally it's 15 million a year.
It's over 35 million a year now, mainly women and children.
The tough military-age men come here starving to death.
And what happens once you get really debilitated, emaciated from malnutrition is you die from a common cold or you die from a basic infection because your body's so run down and you have such incredible...
Deficiencies in things that are needed in the body, and then it gets marked down that you've got a disease.
But it's estimated malnutrition led to, this number's like six months old, over 80 million people.
dan friesen
So, one of the things I want to bring into sharp focus here is the question that Alex never really answers, and that is, what does it mean to be under a lockdown?
That term is thrown around so casually that I really don't think it has any specific meaning.
And the reason that it has no specific meaning is that if it were clearly defined, it would become obvious that Alex is full of shit.
These countries are under lockdown for three years.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Haiti had stay-at-home orders in place between March 19th, 2020, and July 20th, 2020.
They weren't very strong contract- The country has a low uptake on the vaccine, all indications of not very rigid lockdown structures.
The country experienced some other things during the past few years that have to be taken into consideration when you're making the kind of point that Alex is, like the assassination of their president, Jovenel Moise, in July 2021, or the 7.2 magnitude earthquake that hit on August 14th, 2021.
The political instability and humanitarian crises have played a much bigger role in the situation there than COVID lockdowns, but whining about imaginary lockdowns is Alex's bread and butter, so that's the prism through which this story is being told.
Food insecurity and starvation around the world is a very real problem, and the primary drivers of it are conflict and corruption.
Climate change.
These are the things that experts will point you to.
Alex doesn't believe one of those things is real and supports the other, so he conveniently just pretends this is all the story about COVID lockdown policies, which is pretty grisly.
In a real sense, he's just using these suffering people in other countries as a prop in order to push his bizarre ideology.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not the way you should do it.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
That's my advice.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Man, that fucking...
Here's the thing.
I just found out again, because I knew this.
This is the thing I knew, but I just found out again, and it made me furious all over again.
The fucking Haitian reparations payments are so insane.
Like, the idea of, like, hey, we're not going to be a colony anymore.
Fine.
You're just going to pay us forever.
Amazing.
That is ridiculous colonialism.
Sure.
Shouldn't France have been like, hey, guys, we're...
We're not going to ask for this anymore.
dan friesen
Hey, France, Sassafi!
jordan holmes
Shouldn't that have been the end for that?
Like in the 80s, like when the Berlin Wall falls down, shouldn't you be like, hey, we'll no longer take colonialist payments anymore from an impoverished nation?
dan friesen
That would be nice.
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
It seems obvious.
dan friesen
So Haiti is, there's a lot of turmoil and a lot of stuff that is very not good.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's going on there right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Alex might be making a little bit much of this.
alex jones
So Haiti is already the most dangerous place in the Western Hemisphere, and Haiti is already a place that never got itself together.
If you look at the island of Hispaniola on a satellite, and that's what it was called, and then they split it between Dominican Republic to the east and Haiti to the west.
If you look at satellite photos, it's evenly split.
The western part is rock barren, almost no trees.
Everything's been cut down.
Nothing's been managed.
It's hell on earth.
And the Dominican Republic is a very, very beautiful place.
Still got some crime and some problems, but it's way better.
And so now the Clintons, on record, and the U.N. looted Haiti repeatedly and stole all the aid money after earthquakes and other problems.
Haiti has now been a failed state for a while and has now devolved into what I've talked about for a long time.
And that is a road warrior-type scenario.
Now, you all remember my rant where I talked about, I'll eat your ass.
And I said, as they cut the resources off, cannibalism will then take over the third world, the third world will collapse, and then the third world will invade the West, and that's the official UN replacement migration plan.
dan friesen
Wait, that wasn't what his rant was about?
jordan holmes
I don't recall him ever saying, I will eat your ass, comma, Haitians.
I don't recall that, yeah.
dan friesen
It's, uh, that's not what that was about.
This is a massive rewriting of things.
jordan holmes
I don't believe so.
I will eat your ass, Haitians.
dan friesen
So I think that what's going on here is that there were some posts on social media about cannibal gangs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, I got something on that.
jordan holmes
I've said that before.
I've talked about eating my neighbors.
dan friesen
I'm going to go ahead.
jordan holmes
How do I make this about me?
dan friesen
Exactly.
I think that that is a bit what's going on.
And Alex does end up replaying his entire I'm going to eat my neighbors thing.
jordan holmes
I was actually going to make a joke.
I bet he plays the whole rant.
I bet he calls it a rant that he's going to play.
dan friesen
So insightful.
So insightful.
Striking in its...
Contextual differences.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anything relating to the present day.
jordan holmes
I will say that Haiti's closest thing to a, I guess, president right now is a guy named Barbecue.
So I immediately thought we're going to be here eventually.
dan friesen
Well, we're actually going to get into that tiny thing here.
unidentified
See, there we go.
jordan holmes
I knew we were going to be there.
alex jones
So I was very clear that I was being satirical that I would eat my neighbors.
But just like Swift, the famous essayist, explained that was a thing that went into...
That wasn't his point.
And it's even come out in mainstream news that the British royals back then did dine on human flesh.
That's mainstream London Telegraph news.
So even in his satire, there was a lot of reality.
And so now we have Haiti that is run by gangs.
Haiti Crisis, a cannibal gang.
And it's Barbecue Leader, that's what he's called.
That's where the term barbecue comes from, is the island of Hispaniola.
You have to read your little naval history, pirate history books.
Very interesting.
I got into that 25 years ago.
Don't have time to read anymore, but I probably read 30 books, 40 books on pirates and things, you know, historical books.
Very interesting.
And the word barbecue comes from either putting a pig or a person in the ground.
With a bunch of coals and burying it for two days.
And that's what he goes by.
A cannibal gang and its barbecue leader, barbacoa, pushed country into chaos.
And here is Lord Barbecue.
He's known as King Barbecue, actually.
Haiti has descended into chaos and its prime minister has resigned.
A gang leader, Jimmy Churchzinger, has...
Who projects himself as a revolutionary has become the most powerful person in Haiti.
He is known as barbecue for burning people alive and eating them.
And, of course, the leftist media is trying to cover that up.
That's what we always do, because only America has problems.
Only America is evil.
We're the bad guys.
Nobody else is having any problems.
dan friesen
Well, because a little off on the etymology of the word barbecue.
Yeah.
But, you know, putting a means of cooking a pig or a human, I guess, is fine.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
So Jimmy Cherzier, a.k.a.
Barbecue, is the leader of the G9 family of gangs who are probably the most powerful group in Haiti.
The political and social situation in and around Port-au-Prince is pretty dire at the moment, but things are getting a little out of hand with some of this sensational stuff that's going on.
jordan holmes
Might be.
dan friesen
So on Twitter, the leading voices of the right-wing meme culture started spreading some videos purporting to be of Haitian cannibal gangs, which is a subject that's a little bit complicated to unpack.
First, it's important to recognize why, if these videos exist, why they exist.
It's a terror campaign being carried out by gangs.
This isn't news.
It's the equivalent of people on Twitter sharing beheading videos, and it's disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the cartels have been doing this kind of thing for a long time, and we've just kind of gotten used to it to the point where there's Netflix shows, and we're like, ah, this is the part where they cut people's heads off.
dan friesen
It is a gang activity as opposed to a people.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Granted.
Gangs are made up of people, but there's a demonization of a population that's being done vis-a-vis.
We saw this during the Iraq War, in the early days of the Iraq War.
With terrorist videos that were used to demonize entire populations of Muslims.
It has a very similar character.
The second issue is that the videos that people are posting aren't current videos.
Outlets like Snopes and NBC have placed them as being as much as two years old.
And it's not good that stuff like this has ever happened at any point.
But there's a reason that it's happening now.
As I mentioned, Haiti's president was assassinated in 2021, and the person he appointed Prime Minister, Ariel Henry, hasn't been allowed to return to the country and has announced that he's stepping down.
There's mass turmoil and gangs jockeying for power, which in turn has caused a lot of people to want to flee the country.
It's important to understand that the narratives that Alex and his ilk are deploying are not targeted at doing anything about the political situation in Haiti, nor about the gangs.
These narratives are targeted at demonizing the people who would seek asylum here.
The real goal is to take this horrific piece of optics and apply it to the wider population to make the audience feel like maybe all the people in Haiti are cannibals or potential cannibals.
We shouldn't be letting them in here.
That's the name of the game that's being played and why this is being deployed now, because there is a reasonable expectation of an influx of refugees and asylum seekers from Haiti.
And this is a preemptive and concurso.
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Again.
People coming here makes people fucking white nationals go crazy.
Yep.
dan friesen
And they resort to this kind of rhetorical and narrative tactic in order to...
You know, prop up their position.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and make sure that these people are forced to...
I mean, it is kind of like trying to build a cage.
You know, like, hey, let's make sure that they stay there for whatever...
You know, it doesn't matter what happens there.
Let's just make sure they stay there.
dan friesen
Alex has that level of abstract empathy, let's say.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
But it's an illusion of abstract empathy that is like, oh, no.
Oh, no, don't come here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is that kind of like, look, look at all these horrible tragedies happening to these people.
Now, I want them to stay where they are and have those tragedies continue happening.
dan friesen
And if the people who are the victims and the targets of these tragedies come here, they will do that to us.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
The ones who are victims are definitely going to victimize us, despite all known history saying that the opposite would be true.
dan friesen
It's very dirty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, the problem is that within a couple of days, everyone becomes a cannibal.
jordan holmes
Cannibals are instant.
dan friesen
Right.
Just like in the Great Depression, apparently.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Well, Alex doesn't say that, but it is an unfortunate implication of the things he's saying.
alex jones
U.S. Marines fly to Haiti in dead of night to evacuate embassy staff as gangs wreak havoc.
Cannibals and savages.
Racism and images of Haiti.
And they now say it's racist to point out what's happening.
The Pentagon's done studies.
I've talked about this for years.
Within 10 days, the majority of people become cannibals or commit suicide.
Within 15 days, 90-plus percent of survivors.
I don't care if you're white or black.
You either kill yourself or you start eating people.
And remember, in the Great Depression, tens of millions starved to death or died from malnutrition.
The estimates between 7 and 17 million, they vary, but let's just say it's 10 million to 12 million to average together.
That's when 90% were rural, half the rural was totally self-sufficient, the other half of the 90% was somewhat.
Now we're 80-plus percent urban, around 15% rural, and a very small percentage of the rural people are self-sufficient.
So in quick order, you'll have the cities collapse and invade the countryside, and then you run out of ammunition.
Even if you've got storable food and then you get killed and then they don't know how to produce food and then civilization collapses.
dan friesen
And that's when you eat your neighbor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that headline that Alex reads, Cannibals and Savages, Racism and Images of Haiti, is an article from a website called Canadian Dimension from 2012 about how there's a tradition of racist imagery around depictions of Haiti and Haitian people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This isn't a new thing.
And clearly, Alex just had his staff go blindly print off every headline that had the words cannibal and Haiti in them, and he accidentally ended up with this one in the stack.
There's zero chance that that was intentional, and there's zero chance that Alex has read that article.
It is just proof.
of how much of a prop his little stacks of paper are.
Also, Alex is entirely wrong about the Great Depression.
There was some starvation that happened, but nowhere near the level that Alex is saying.
But let's pretend he's right.
Then why wasn't the Great Depression marked by massive outbreaks of cannibalism?
Based on what Alex is saying, that should have been happening all over the United States since the Depression lasted a bit more than 10 days and millions were apparently starving.
By his count, everyone should have been eating each other, but that didn't happen, weirdly.
jordan holmes
Okay, how many people did he say die in the Dust Bowl?
Of starvation.
Specifically of malnutrition and starvation.
dan friesen
He said the conservative estimate is 7 million and the top is like 17 million.
jordan holmes
17 million.
Alright, does that include the number of people eaten because of other people starving?
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
You don't get to double count.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm saying, right?
So if you've got 15 million who starved, you know, let's go on the higher end.
He said 12. 12, okay, let's go.
12 million who starved to death.
All right.
That suggests that 12 million people at least dabbled in eating people.
dan friesen
There would be a lot of people who would have.
You would have seen this in a lot of the documentaries.
jordan holmes
It would have been very clear that we had a binge period.
dan friesen
It would have been a story that haunts our history.
The Great Depression would all be about that time we all ate people.
jordan holmes
How would it be possible for us to watch documentaries with all those kids going to coal mines and not also have it like, and by the way, when they went home for dinner they ate dad.
Like, that would have been important in the documentary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just throwing that out there.
dan friesen
It kind of is a hole in his entire theory.
If he wants to have both of these elements there, then the Great Depression has to have been a cannibalistic Donner Party free-for-all.
jordan holmes
Now, if you want to...
Square the circle anyways.
You could suggest that all of America just agreed to never talk about it again.
dan friesen
Sure.
We are good at denial.
jordan holmes
It's kind of our thing.
dan friesen
Yeah?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex is reading these headlines, and it's just clear that this entire deployment of this imagery and this narrative is about demonizing potential immigrants and refugees.
alex jones
Hannibal Run!
The Biden administration warns Florida may get swamped by mass migration away from Haiti.
We're already being swamped by that in King Barbecue.
The Biden administration is preparing to escort boatloads of Haitians in Florida as Caribbean country implodes.
So it's now official.
They are planning to bring up to a million Haitians to Florida, to Blue Cities.
They will then get more congressional seats.
It will be Democrat in Florida and take over.
The state.
The Democrats know what they're doing.
So here's a little bit of that famous rant from three years ago about I'll eat your ass.
dan friesen
So yeah, then he plays the entire thing.
jordan holmes
Here's a little bit of the hit.
Let me play the hits real quick.
dan friesen
And so I was thinking about playing little selections of that because it's like, well, we could revisit it.
But we all have heard that already.
And there's just a couple things that stuck out to me.
The first is that he says...
I'm being very, very serious about this, but for the courts, I'm kidding.
I'd forgotten he said that in the middle of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which was delightful.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then the second thing is when you're listening to that, it's very clear that he's saying, you globalists have ruined society, and now I'm gonna have food, but not enough.
Eventually, I'm gonna eat you.
I'm going to kill you and feed you to my children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not the same thing as...
Like, gangs creating terror material.
You know what I mean?
They're very, very different.
jordan holmes
It is very different.
I'm gonna ask you this question, because this is really important now, alright?
So if we've established that starvation is happening, instant, you know, cannibalism is coming.
dan friesen
Ten days.
jordan holmes
On day eight, on day eight, do you eat the bugs?
dan friesen
Not now.
A couple years ago, maybe.
jordan holmes
A couple years ago, maybe.
dan friesen
You'd just be giving Klaus Schwab what he wants.
jordan holmes
It's too late now.
That's right.
You should starve to death or eat people as opposed to eating the bugs.
Because you'll be doing what...
That's a little bit cutting off one's nose despite one's face.
I might say that.
dan friesen
So we jump off this topic, and thankfully Alex doesn't spend the whole day on it.
But there is a fair amount of it.
But then we get into something a little bit more important, and that is that Alex is pretty mad about his bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
Sure!
I would imagine so!
dan friesen
He spends a fucking half hour whining.
jordan holmes
That sounds right!
alex jones
But before I do that, I've been called by basically everybody.
All the big talk show hosts.
I mean, you think their name, I've been contacted by them.
Because I haven't cryptically said a lot of stuff the last week since I was on Tucker Carlson on Thursday, six days ago.
I just haven't gotten into details because at the end of the day, I'm not that important.
And also, there's a lot of fluid parts, so to accurately break all this down would take about, because I've got all the facts, all the data, all the documents, everything.
It would take about two hours.
And as we get closer to them shutting down Infowars, at some point in the next few weeks, if it looks like it's going to happen, I will do a whole maybe three-hour commercial-free live show, talk a couple hours, take calls after that, because this is a historic operation, and it's really, really important.
We're not shut down yet, but when we went into bankruptcy a year and a half ago, I told the crew, it'll take over a year, your jobs are secure right now.
But I always told them, if I think things are looking bad, you know, 50-50 or so, and that's where it's at right now, I'm going to tell you, and I've already told them privately, now I'm going to tell you publicly.
So I'm not going to do that today, because...
jordan holmes
I think you just did.
alex jones
We've got all this serious news to hit.
Just know this.
dan friesen
You're telling us something.
alex jones
People trying to shut this place down are just going to get the crew laid off.
dan friesen
Won't you think of Chase Geyser?
alex jones
And we will come back very, very quickly.
So they're not shutting anything down.
They're just shutting this building down and this operation down.
So let's get that straight.
But I have told them in court, and I have told them face-to-face, both the plaintiffs, because I'm between a rock and a hard place, and the...
It's not the bankruptcy court.
It's not the judge.
The judge is not the issue.
He's done a pretty good job, I would say.
I give him like a 95. That's really good.
It is the plaintiffs, and it's also the bankruptcy process and the people that are involved in the bankruptcy process.
And I'm not going to name names at this time because I don't want to attack these people.
dan friesen
Yeah, you do.
Yes, you do.
There's a couple of things.
First, I just can't get enough of...
If I laid this all out, it would take two hours.
So I'm going to spend an hour whining about vague shit.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
It would just take you a little bit longer.
And the rest of the time, like, spoiler alert, the rest of the time of the show is just spent talking to weirdos from Twitter.
So, like, what loss is there?
Just get into it, dude.
jordan holmes
I was thinking about it, and I've read a little bit about it.
There's somebody specifically on Reddit who posts, like...
Who's really detailed about the bankruptcy?
Or I think it's Oregon Small Claims, somebody like that.
And so I've read some of it because I wanted to kind of be familiar.
I think it would take longer than two hours to explain it.
I've read a lot, and I don't understand a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
Well, if you want to gloss over the misbehavior of Alex, then it would probably take about two hours.
jordan holmes
Well, they should take all his shit.
I understand that it shouldn't take five minutes.
dan friesen
Well, I think that explaining things through Alex's prism might take about two hours.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
If you want to get into all of the little nonsense things about his parents owning the PQP.
jordan holmes
If you want to get into a walk level.
dan friesen
If you want to get into Mountain Way.
Sure, sure.
Or attempt to skim advertising revenue or whatever the fuck that was.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you want to do that kind of stuff, that might take a little more than two hours.
Yeah, things aren't good right now.
His lawyer has asked to be removed from the case.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which apparently is due to a fight with the chief restructuring officer.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Things are not sunny.
In Infowars world.
jordan holmes
I'm surprised they lasted this long together.
At a certain point, it is a miracle that they've made it this far.
dan friesen
Gotta bring in Barnes.
jordan holmes
Not miracles.
Nightmare?
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
At least they're not having fun.
jordan holmes
That is definitely good.
dan friesen
It's cold comfort, but at least there's some like, eh, they're not having fun.
jordan holmes
That has been a real pain in the neck for them.
dan friesen
And speaking of a pain in the neck, Alex has had enough.
alex jones
I believe it.
dan friesen
He's had enough of this shit.
jordan holmes
It is not going to stop just because he's had enough, but I do believe he has had enough.
dan friesen
If the plaintiffs push him one step further...
jordan holmes
He's going to do what?
dan friesen
He's out.
alex jones
To me, it's all just energy cubes, energon cubes, like they have in Transformers, money and things.
It's just energy to me.
That's what it is.
It's a symbol of energy.
But I'm out of bullets.
I'm out of gas.
I'm pushing the wall.
And that's where I am.
And if the deep state plaintiffs and their PR firms and the Democratic Party really don't want to ever have a settlement and really want to mount InfoWars' head on the wall, and if they're too stupid to realize that that only made Tucker Carlson 10, 15, 20 times bigger, then okay, I'd rather stay in this facility, not have the hiccup, not do that to the crew, but they make it easy.
I've gone from being nice to these people to...
It might just be best just to go ahead and pull out of it all and just shut it down now.
And then I can work for somebody else.
They can rehire the crew.
There's nothing they can do to stop us.
In fact, that seems to me the best decision.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
I pledge to keep this place going as long as I can, so I'm not going to do it, even though that's the best decision.
But if they...
If they do just a millimeter more, this ain't a bluff, guaranteed no more.
And I'll explain everything to everybody, and you're not going to believe it, folks.
It's like I'm living in Machiavelli's kingdom or something.
The crap I've seen, the corruption I've witnessed, it is just disgusting.
This country is in a lot of trouble.
You can't swing a stick in the dark in this process and not hit somebody that's doing something really terrible.
And they take my nicest weakness when I'm sitting there watching every damn thing they do and taking note of it.
So I seem cryptic.
It's just because I don't have time to get into it all, and it's not the time for that.
But I want you to know, if you order stuff at InfoWarsStore.com right now, you will get it.
100%.
Shipping's in great shape.
Skip the break.
Shipping's in great shape.
The customer service is in the best shape it's ever been.
Products the day you order them, but if you order them on the weekend, then it'll be shipped out the next Monday or so.
Even if the judge does Chapter 7, there'll be a wind-down for three to six months where they sell the product out they have, the crew's got a chance to get other jobs, and that will go on.
So that's where we are.
But the plaintiffs will not settle.
dan friesen
They've offered to settle.
jordan holmes
They will not settle on my terms.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And it seems like I thought you could just give those terms and then they would settle, but it appears that you can just not do that?
dan friesen
No, it turns out my position is maybe weaker than I thought.
Now, there is something very fun about this call to arms, this sales pitch.
Is weak.
This is pretty soft stuff.
jordan holmes
I appreciate the commitment in such a short period of time to saying things the opposite of which is true.
This is not a bluff!
You are incorrect, sir.
Shipping and everything is fine.
I do not trust you.
dan friesen
I think shipping might be alright.
alex jones
Probably.
dan friesen
I don't see any reason why his...
His ability to operate a rinky-dink business or whatever is in jeopardy.
And I think a lot of the stuff that he does is drop-shipped anyway.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, so, like, I don't know how much of the fulfillment he's doing.
True, true.
I haven't heard any calls lately on the air, so I have no idea how customer service is doing.
unidentified
Fair, fair.
dan friesen
But I'm getting the sense, and this will be borne out through some more of this as we go along, because he doesn't have time to talk about this, but he's going to talk about it forever.
I think he's begging them to liquidate his business.
I think he really, really wants that.
jordan holmes
It does appear so, yeah.
dan friesen
And he wants to go work for Tucker.
I don't know if it's Tucker specifically, but I can't imagine anything other than that or some kind of a deal with Twitter.
I can't imagine who else is of the right milieu to be like, This is where Alex is going to land.
He's not going to Newsmax.
He's not going to work for the White House.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has to be completely weirdo space like Twitter.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that he really, really wants that, but he doesn't want to be the person who quits because he has too much pride.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he really, really wants this to not work out, them just to put the hammer down on InfoWars.
InfoWars is gone, and then painting show with Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Except it's not going to be a painting show because we can't have nice things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, the real...
I mean, yeah, it does feel like if you are going to make such a lowball settlement offer and then...
Be like, well, I guess I'm going to have everything sold.
Or, I mean, it's still probably possible to make...
I'm sure the families would be like, oh, you know, whatever.
Or that chance was there.
dan friesen
The plaintiffs made a lowball offer to him.
Like, their offer was like $85 million over 10 years, and half of his income over $9 million per year.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's...
Very generous for, like, a billion-dollar settlement.
jordan holmes
Insanely generous.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
He can calm down with this.
They're not gonna settle.
This is you, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're doing this.
jordan holmes
But he's right, you know?
It is like, you can't quit.
dan friesen
Right.
If you're him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't agree to a settlement.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you lowballed him specifically because no right-thinking person would ever accept that, you know?
So this is kind of...
He has to be doing this on purpose.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's just desperate.
For someone to free him from the hell he's created.
That is the vibe that I get.
jordan holmes
I get that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel that way sometimes too, buddy.
alex jones
The management of the...
That's what happens to the court.
They bring in management.
Just got rid of $8 million of advertisers last year.
Which crippled the living hell out of us.
We would have expanded and been kicking ass.
But instead were kept right on life support.
jordan holmes
You owned them.
alex jones
Where, well, you just can't have those sponsors.
A few sponsors were allowed, like my dad, because he already had a supplement business, and he was already one of the biggest sponsors.
So they said, well, we'll take 90% of your business away, but we'll let you have your own website and sell stuff and pay us if you want to.
The pillow man?
Got a warehouse and got his products there and did all that.
It's just been a circus.
And I'm biting my tongue here.
But I wasn't sure that it was a plan to shut us down and predatory until the last week.
And I got the documents.
I got the receipts.
I got it all.
And that's where we're at.
So I'm going to stop elaborating on this.
And the ball is in the establishment's court because I would never shut this place down.
I would never walk away from a fight.
I would never be part of that.
But if they push us into that world, it's like that old southern fairy tale or just story.
Kind of Mark Twain-esque of the Briar Patch.
And Brer Rabbit gets caught.
It's about to get eaten.
I forget the whole story of Brer Rabbit.
Print it up for me.
Google that for me.
jordan holmes
I can't, but that should go in the Smithsonian.
That absolutely, that clip should just be like, look at what humans can do.
dan friesen
The mouth sometimes needs to catch up.
jordan holmes
The Brer Rabbit!
I don't even remember that story.
dan friesen
So the Br 'er Rabbit was Don't Throw Me in the Br 'er Patch, right?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Song of the South.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
But the idea is you're saying don't do this to me because that's what you really want.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is being, I think, a little bit confusing about that.
But what he's doing is...
I don't want this to end.
I don't want info.
I'm gonna fight till the end.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Please just fucking end this.
jordan holmes
He's got a very large hold-me-back energy.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Big time.
But it is pride.
You know, like you were saying, you can't say, we're done, I'm shutting this on my own volition.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you can't accept whatever term someone else brings.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he's kind of trapped by himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, especially because it's...
dan friesen
He needs to be forced...
Over the edge to do the thing that he wants to do, which is stop doing this.
jordan holmes
Right.
It feels so unfortunate that it...
I think everybody agrees InfoWars should go away, and yet somehow we can't all just go, and we're done.
You know?
Everybody's on the same team!
dan friesen
Yeah, except I think it is probably to the plaintiffs' advantage to not shut down Infowars.
Because if there is a deal that he's paying over years, there is more that goes to the families.
And, I mean, you can tell Alex doesn't want that.
You can tell that that is the outcome that would make him the most miserable, is being stuck working for them for a decade.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
No, it would be like his personal finances, he gives them money, and his business finances, he gives them money.
So he wants the business closed because at least he only pays them one time, or with one set of income, you know?
dan friesen
And then he can go work for Tucker.
jordan holmes
But that's still going to be...
I mean, he said that the debt is never going to be discharged.
True.
You know, so every check he gets from Tucker...
I mean, eventually they're going to have to garnish it, obviously.
dan friesen
There will be another fight.
jordan holmes
He's going to be, yeah, he's going to be paid in cash in a briefcase, and they're going to have to be like, somebody follows him around.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
At this point, he's going to just start being cooperative.
That's what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So, look, man, he said he was going to stop talking about this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he doesn't, because of course not.
alex jones
And it will be my goal.
And those plans are nebulous, though they are legion, to continue on and to get this crew operating again.
We'll leave the jurisdiction of Austin, which is run by Soros now, something like Georgetown or something, so folks will have to drive a little more.
But if they want their job, we'll definitely try to get that done.
I think it'll be quite easy to do, actually.
So, throw me in the briar pass, that's all I can say.
Because...
Imagine, they're going to close these doors, they're going to shut this off, and they're going to act like they had some victory over us.
Okay.
But I pledge to keep this place going.
That's why I took all the Bitcoin and put it in here.
And took almost all the sale of my house, which I couldn't stand that big fancy house.
Modern house, three-story, looked like a spaceship.
I was like...
My wife's like, I want to live here.
And I said, no, let's go get a little house and live in that.
This is an investment.
We're not living here.
I don't like it.
I don't like living three doors down from Karl Rove.
And so, I'd love to be in a trailer in the woods when I get down to brass tacks.
So, don't worry, that's in the works.
So, do they think making me the super rebel and making me the black sheep even more than I am is a bad thing?
But see, they can't ever get, because all they do is lie, that I'm up here telling them total truth right now.
I'm just telling you how it is.
And they go, what's his plan?
What's his scam?
Because they cannot receive truth.
So, I'm doing everything I can to keep this place on air.
But I'm also saying, like the rabbit to the fox, if you're dumb enough to throw me in that briar patch, Well, then fill your hand, Huckleberry, because I'm not your Huckleberry.
And everything we said is coming true.
Our stock, the crew that did a great job, I see them as myself.
They see themselves, I know, partially like me.
We're a family.
We're all individuals, but we are a family.
I love this crew.
And they can see it.
Our stock has gone way up.
I mean, just to metaphor it.
People know we're dead on.
They know we're real.
Anybody with discernment can just tune in, not just watch what we say come true, but I'm a real guy, folks.
I'm so proud I come from badass Texans.
I mean, I just come from just unbelievably good, hardworking, decent people, true blue, red, white, and blue badasses.
And I'll tell you, I'm not a prideful person, but I'm satisfied that my ancestors...
Can look down from heaven on what I'm doing and say, we're proud of that boy.
He's just like us.
He's not a piece of shit.
So, Christ said they will persecute you because of me.
And I understand that.
And I am so proud to be persecuted because every time I get persecuted, all these doors open.
I'm not a quitter.
He's not a quitter.
dan friesen
So, this is only truth.
What's the message that you're taking away from this?
Because there is a little bit of, like, you know, he's not being that cryptic.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he's also saying a lot of bullshit.
jordan holmes
I would say I would put forth this as my main takeaway.
Thinking of Alex's ancestors in any sort of afterlife, right?
If they're in heaven, I think they're thinking, ah, shit, there's black people here, right?
And if they're in hell, I think they're thinking, ah, shit, there's also black people here.
I don't think they're happy people.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, do your beliefs about segregation follow you to the afterlife?
jordan holmes
I mean, you...
dan friesen
Because that would...
jordan holmes
It feels like it would have to.
dan friesen
Well, in that case, Alex's ancestors are racist.
jordan holmes
I think they're probably in hell.
unidentified
They're racist ghosts.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with in hell, yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like this is...
It seems pretty clear to me.
I don't think he's being that manipulative.
He's just kind of wishing that the thing would be over.
This case would be over.
He's begging them to liquidate his business so he can be free of that.
He doesn't have to pay these fucking ding-dongs anymore.
He doesn't have to have this burdensome infrastructure when he could probably make just as much money.
Sitting on a webcam or something like that and streaming on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why even do any of this if it's archaic?
He's not making any money off the radio shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, why even do that anymore?
He's cussing on the air.
jordan holmes
Because it's the...
It's the feeling of legitimacy.
dan friesen
But I think that's out the window.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's out the window, but he had it for a while.
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
And he's not going, you know, like, that's why you get the studio.
You know, you feel like now I'm a real news operation.
dan friesen
And that's great.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Until you owe a billion dollars.
jordan holmes
Then you're not...
dan friesen
And then that kind of, you know...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if you, you know, I would posit that a lot of people who have had a large amount of success and then suddenly owe a shit ton of money often cling to the time period when they had the success.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
True.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that his stock is not great.
I think that we're not watching all these things come true.
I feel like...
It wasn't that long ago that there was an imminent Ebola outbreak that was supposed to start in Colorado.
jordan holmes
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
Yeah, most people have.
jordan holmes
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
Because Alex just says shit, and then everyone moves on and pretends he didn't.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
His stock is great if you're not paying attention.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
If you are, you see this line going downward.
jordan holmes
You know, one thing that happened.
That I think is a version of something that's very effective.
And in this case, it's just whiplash of just that, like, alright, fucks!
Throw me the bunny into a bear patch and then fill your hand.
And you're like, wait, you've changed metaphors too fast.
Huckleberry, wait, what are you even talking about?
I'm not your huckleberry.
I don't understand you, sir.
dan friesen
He's a one-man-too-many-cooks-in-the-metaphor-department.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And I mixed some metaphors there for his benefit.
jordan holmes
I noticed.
dan friesen
So look, he's being persecuted.
He's sick of being persecuted.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
But he's no quitter.
He's always going to fight.
alex jones
I'm not a quitter.
And even if doors didn't open when I got persecuted, I wouldn't stop.
When I was young, when I got persecuted, I just said, I'm not going to give up.
I thought that was me doing it.
You know, I love God, but God, you just sit over there and, you know, this is me doing it.
You kind of help.
But as I got older and got really put through a meat grinder, really got beat up, really got hurt bad, had him do really nasty things, man.
unidentified
That's when you're like, oh, I can't do this without you.
alex jones
Thank you so much for being there.
I put everything into you.
Everything is on you now.
I am pathetic.
And I just want to stand and defend the innocent.
And I ask you to lead God and direct me and to energize me and to help me send the message to the people to rise up and peacefully defeat this evil because I am your humble servant.
Now tell me what to do, God!
And God has told me what to do.
Stay the course.
Don't falter.
Don't waver.
Never give up.
And push myself as hard as I can against the enemy.
So I'm done talking about it.
But it's revolutionary.
And I remember 30 years ago, right when I was first getting on air, I was a big swimmer then in great shape.
Jog six miles every day.
Lift weights four days a week.
I go swim two miles three or four days a week at 6 a.m. at Barton Springs.
And I remember the hippies.
And I mean, not modern liberals, real hippies.
These guys were like 70 years old in great shape.
I'm like, God, why do you look like you're 30?
And they'd have big jugs of water that was like yellow.
And they'd say, we drink iodine.
We drink atomic iodine.
And that's what energizes the whole body.
And later, Dr. Group taught me about it 12 years ago.
dan friesen
That's piss, man.
alex jones
It changed the world.
And it's just incredible.
And it's the missing link in everything.
And billions of people have cognitive disabilities because they don't have enough of it.
There's deep earth crystal iodine.
That's X2.
It's amazing.
We have X3 that's part crystal iodine.
The other two good iodines.
Some people need all three to upload.
It's apples and oranges.
But it's been sold out for...
unidentified
Shoot, six months.
alex jones
So X3 is back in stock.
dan friesen
Well, that's exciting.
That's jarring.
jordan holmes
It's just so much like, man, Owen, Chase.
You don't got that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You don't got that ability to be like, oh, my dad, you know, when I was a kid, and then I met these hippies, and anyways, three for one sale!
Like, you can't do that.
dan friesen
It's even deeper than that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because it begins with the screaming about God and how I'm desperate and I need you, God.
alex jones
I'm pathetic.
Tell me what to do!
jordan holmes
I'm pathetic.
Just don't tell me about that Jesus and the money changer part.
dan friesen
And then a little pause.
It's revolutionary.
These hippies would drink piss water, and then Dr. Group would tell me about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
And, yeah, you gotta buy it.
unidentified
It's in stock.
jordan holmes
You just can't...
You can't replicate that.
That's just a thing that happens from a person.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You have to have a certain...
unidentified
It is just a...
jordan holmes
You know, there's just people who are just unique, and you can just do a thing?
You know, like Zion Williamson.
He's 6 '6", he weighs 400 pounds, and he can fly.
Like, there's just people who can do a thing.
You know?
That's what happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has a very specific gift for improv.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's bad improv.
jordan holmes
It's an awful gift!
dan friesen
It's mostly only oriented towards sales.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, I mean, it would...
I've never taken an improv class, but I understand that a lot of it is about heightening.
And I think that he doesn't do that well.
Right.
I think he'd be a bad scene partner.
jordan holmes
He's a real bad scene partner.
dan friesen
But when he said, it's revolutionary, and then started talking about the old hippies, you didn't necessarily know that was going to a sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No, not until he said iodine.
Then I was like, eventually we're getting to a sales.
I've already planned a head for this.
dan friesen
By the time he says the word iodine, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
What happened?
jordan holmes
Where did that come from?
dan friesen
Right.
That gift.
That's something.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
It's bad, but it's something.
jordan holmes
I will say that I've known an infinitely larger number of talented improvisers who would rather have this gift.
dan friesen
It's definitely led to more money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, Infowars, death's door.
That's where we're at.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shit's bad.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
alex jones
So, X3 is back in stock, 40% off, and I would recommend for all of you to stock up, because I hope you're able to get it in three months, six months.
But I'd say 50% chance we're not here.
50% chance in the next few months we're put into Chapter 7, and then they think it's not a 90% chance that we'll be reasonable with the liquidator, and they'll let us, I'll stay on to sell the product out, and then we'll have a closure date, and we'll have a little party, and have some cake, and appreciate the crew, and shut this son of a bitch down.
So, that's where we are.
So this could be your last chance.
It's like grandma.
You know, she's got cancer, and you hope she makes it through it, and she fights it for three, four years, and finally she's like having dinner with you.
She says, well, the doctors say I may live six months, and then boom, she's dead a month later.
We're kind of at that point.
And I just wanted to get the family, everybody that watches and listens ready for that, that we're here, you know, at the bed with last rights for InfoWars.
Now, we may bounce back, come out of this, but I got to tell you, InfoWars is at death's doorstep.
unidentified
So...
alex jones
This is your chance to get X3 and bolster the operation and bring it forward and get these products.
dan friesen
Why?
I mean, I guess if you're convinced that the iodine is really good for you and better than other iodine that you could get anywhere else, then I guess maybe you'd want to hoard and buy them out of stock because you can't get it tomorrow or whatever.
But if you know this is a sinking ship, we're doing our last rights.
Why am I encouraged to buy?
jordan holmes
Shouldn't you be Googling, like, another place to get this?
Right.
Right now.
dan friesen
I gotta find a new hookup.
jordan holmes
And shouldn't you not want to give Alex money?
Because that's just going to go to other people that Alex hates.
dan friesen
Right.
And who have conspired to destroy him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Alex himself, shouldn't he be like, let's crash and burn this whole thing, you know?
dan friesen
Well, he has some stock left.
And I don't mean stocks.
He has some warehouses and shit.
He has some sunk costs that he needs to probably try and mitigate.
Or this is just classic Alex Jones shit talk.
jordan holmes
Could be.
It really could be.
dan friesen
But this is not an inspiring sales pitch.
jordan holmes
I mean, get to work on that final episode.
I know you've already recorded a final episode.
dan friesen
He's recorded like three of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
You've got time.
dan friesen
But now we know there's gonna be cake.
jordan holmes
We know there's gonna...
Yeah, put that in your final episode.
You didn't have cake in the pre-recorded ones.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And when Mike Hansen showed up back in February for Alex's birthday, he brought cake and Alex was pissed.
Alex did not appreciate that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So I don't know if he likes cake that much.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
Maybe go with donuts.
He loves donuts.
No.
dan friesen
Stop it.
So I get just the general vibe that he's like...
End this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
End this.
alex jones
We're already outlaw country, folks.
We're already dukes of hazards for real.
And now they're just going to cement all of that.
And I'm just telling them to their face, pray.
That's the essence of your arrogance.
That's the essence of who you are.
So just go ahead.
Go ahead.
Make my day.
Go ahead.
Because I already pledged to do this.
You're just making the decision to shut this down for me.
This is so paradoxical.
They're so mentally ill and so blocked from God.
They'll think this is a bluff.
No, no, no.
Please shut it down.
See what I mean?
But no, I'm committed to keep it on air.
You've committed to keep it on air.
Plus it's great products.
So get them at Infowars.com.
And I think we'll continue on.
Maybe they'll get Jesus.
Maybe they'll wake up.
But I wouldn't bet on it.
But that's okay.
Could be your last chance to get products, t-shirts, books, films.
Because this will be the end of Infowars, folks.
As if they think taking that name away from me, as if it'll ever be taken away.
As if I need that name.
Let's use an evil analogy.
I'm not just Sauron.
I'm the ring.
I've got both.
You can't take it away.
I've told the truth.
dan friesen
What's with the ring?
alex jones
Things get worse for you by the minute, New World Order.
Not me.
Have your big movies and promote it all to the place.
Good.
I like it.
Because 90% of the comments with their HBO hit pieces are you're full of crap.
Alex Jones didn't murder people in Iraq.
Alex Jones didn't ship fentanyl in.
Alex Jones questioned a mass shooting.
Keep attacking.
I love it.
Because I'm not the villain you say I am.
And I know you hitched your wagon to me and got incredible.
Fundraising off me, all the rest of it.
And I'm like a tit you're hanging off of that you don't want to turn loose of.
So don't think for a minute I don't already know all that.
Show.
unidentified
Give me what I want.
alex jones
Give me what I want.
Shut it down.
Because I can't.
unidentified
Because I said I wouldn't.
jordan holmes
That's the wrong song for this.
alex jones
Give me what I want.
unidentified
You will be defeated along with your God, Satan.
alex jones
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
Whoa, here she comes.
Give me what I want.
alex jones
End it.
jordan holmes
I will say this.
I will say this.
I would argue that the defining characteristic of Sauron and the ring is that shortly after its creation, it was taken away from him.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Never to be returned.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that there's an underlying truth that I feel in the end it because I can't.
I cannot do it.
That does seem to be the general theme.
Also, Alex seems to be pissed about the HBO documentary that just came out.
He seemed to be complaining about that a little bit there.
Did he see it?
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
Nah, I can't imagine him.
alex jones
Well, maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, I wouldn't imagine.
I wouldn't be surprised.
dan friesen
Self-flagellation meets narcissism.
Sitting for an entire documentary.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Did he?
He wasn't it.
I mean, obviously he was in it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Obviously he was in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine they were like, well, let's sit him down in that documentary talking head chair.
dan friesen
No, I can't imagine that being a good idea for anybody.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So I was, I mean, we were there at the trial.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So I imagine that we're in the background of it.
jordan holmes
You'll see the back of our head, I imagine.
dan friesen
I know that you at least walked past the HBO camera guy.
jordan holmes
You exchanged some words.
I did talk to the documentary filmmaker after apparently shit-talking him on Twitter for a while.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah, I did that.
Curiously, neither of us interviewed him.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
Not at all reached out to him.
dan friesen
Maybe because of shit-talking on Twitter.
unidentified
Could be.
jordan holmes
It was very cordial afterwards.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
There was...
I don't actually think that that necessarily caused...
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But there was some talk of an interview and then it never materialized.
jordan holmes
It happens.
dan friesen
I don't want anyone to get their hopes up and think that I'm in there.
jordan holmes
No, not at all.
dan friesen
But I've heard it's good.
I haven't had a chance to see it yet.
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
I'm sure it's great.
dan friesen
But yeah, Alex is a little bit pissed off about that.
I just...
I just hear him wanting this...
To meet its conclusion, and he's unable to do it, except by force.
Someone must force him.
And that, to me, screams, don't do it.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right, right.
Force him into hell.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Forever.
Like Bill and Ted.
dan friesen
Whatever that deal needs to be so he's paying this off and working at InfoWars for the next decade, that's the deal that you probably need to figure out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because clearly liquidation is almost preferable to him.
jordan holmes
How about this?
Not just that.
We'll throw an extra layer on, all right?
We'll take off millions.
But you have to take notes.
That's right.
They can send in notes whenever they...
Ah, no, then they'd have to listen to anything.
Yeah, never mind.
No, that's terrible.
We can send in notes.
dan friesen
Eh, I'm not interested.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I'll make my notes, and then...
jordan holmes
We'll do them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex comes back after that hollow notes.
Sure.
Out to break with the...
alex jones
End it.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's not the song I would choose to give my suicide speech over, but okay.
Finish me!
Absolutely!
Also, could somebody play Wham?
This just isn't for me!
You're a rich girl!
It's not for me!
Kill me!
dan friesen
So, Alex comes back, and he's gonna do his Twitter space.
alex jones
And we are about in ten minutes to launch a big Spaces at Real Alex Jones.
Where we're going to be talking about Putin threatening nuclear war.
We're going to be talking about the cannibalism exploding in Haiti and the giant invasion happening.
Trump having charges dropped against him because of no evidence.
Fannie Willis lying.
And the indictment the judge says.
This is huge.
The TikTok situation.
Elon Musk.
England banning puberty blockers for children.
There is so much going down today.
We'll have all those questions and comments.
dan friesen
So this is a pretty sad picture.
Alex just spent the last half an hour having a complete breakdown about how his business is going to be closed, and he really wants them to do it, and now he's promoting a Twitter space where he can talk with random social media users about a slew of fake headlines.
There isn't a migrant invasion, cannibalism isn't exploding, but Putin did sort of threaten to use nuclear weapons.
So that one...
It's kind of fair, but he does that periodically.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that's just kind of a re-up, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex is kind of into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's at least into the threat.
jordan holmes
It helps a lot of all of our stuff if we've got a big supervillain who every couple of years is like, ah!
dan friesen
But Alex is on the side of the supervillain.
jordan holmes
Well, he likes supervillains.
dan friesen
So Trump didn't have his charges dropped against him because of no evidence, and the judge didn't say that Fanny Willis lied.
That didn't happen.
England didn't ban puberty blockers for trans youth.
The NHS decided not to offer them at their clinics, which is definitely not good, but they're still available through private clinics and elsewhere.
Also, according to CNN, And then, quote, fewer than 100 people are currently on puberty blockers via the NHS and will be able to continue treatment.
So it's not quite the story that Alex is making up.
It's just a bunch of broad fake headlines he wants to riff with people about, get some dipshits off Twitter to come on and be like, let's talk about how great this is.
He's just wanting fake Elon.
He's trying to send up the fake Elon signal.
jordan holmes
It does feel a lot like somebody who just started streaming on Twitch trying to get the attention of somebody bigger to give them a leg up.
dan friesen
The guy who owns the site?
Or the guy who sounds like the guy who owns the site?
jordan holmes
It does seem like it would help.
dan friesen
I think also Alex wants to eat.
I think he's wanting to go take some calls so he can eat.
He wants to have lunch.
jordan holmes
I was like, is he getting that poor?
No, absolutely.
Okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
So he just lies about some of these headlines, like the Georgia case.
alex jones
But in Fannie Willis' case, her lying, her testifying she didn't know her boyfriend for years after she did know him, it's been devastating.
But the judge came out this morning, I'm sure most of you already know about it, and you should go read his ruling.
He struck down the racketeering charges, some other charges, saying, you said you have specific total evidence in your indictment.
That you have proof, and you have no proof.
These are false charges.
Now, we didn't need the judge to tell us that, but the point is, is that this is an extreme excoriation, a massive repudiation, and is a big, big, big, big, big...
Bigly deal.
dan friesen
Landed that plane perfectly.
jordan holmes
I think he nailed it.
dan friesen
I think he was looking for something else to go along with excoriation and repudiation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he got nothing.
jordan holmes
No, I think Bigly is the way to go.
unidentified
Bigly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I read the judge's order, and it doesn't say any of that stuff.
It's just that the charges weren't specific enough about what oath of office was broken.
Trump and his co-defendants are totally still charged with RICO crimes.
Those charges did not get dropped.
Alex is just lying to the audience.
That is just fraud.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, so, okay.
So, fine.
Right.
We're pushing all these trials off so he can become president.
Or not.
Whichever.
Right.
But he does become president.
And then the trials happen.
Right.
And he's got the power to fuck with them.
For sure.
Right, he's gonna fuck with them.
dan friesen
I mean, if he's a private citizen, he has the power to fuck with them, apparently.
jordan holmes
Totally, I mean, clearly.
Right, right.
I mean, when you have the Supreme Court on your team, because you owned them and appointed them, I think that's the way to go.
dan friesen
You get some favors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, I mean, like, so let's say he actually does go to prison.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Like, for realsies.
While he's president.
I mean, do they even allow that?
dan friesen
Um, I think, in theory...
jordan holmes
Right, well, I mean, yeah, theoretically.
dan friesen
In theory it's allowed.
In practice, I wonder how it would play out.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, eventually you get to the rubber meets the road situation, right, where if he says, I'm not going to prison, then you have a real problem.
dan friesen
And I think that he is so himself that...
That would probably happen.
jordan holmes
It does feel like I would be hard-pressed to see two D.C. cops walking into the White House with cops.
dan friesen
Another president...
A statesman of sorts.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
May be like, I must serve my time even though I am the president.
unidentified
Sure, I will do the right thing.
dan friesen
I don't see that happening in this case.
jordan holmes
I would suggest that recent history bears out a different possibility.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex talks a little bit more about this Georgia case, and it just gets lost making things up.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Georgia judge dismisses several counts in Trump election interference case.
Fulton County Superior Court judge.
Scott McAfee dismissed six charges out of the 40 court indictments in the election interference case against former President Donald Trump and his co-defendants, including three of the counts against Trump.
But they're the main counts of conspiracy, of racketeering, and said there is no proof.
The judge went on to say that I was promised in the indictment Proof of conduct of organized crime and that there is no evidence.
However, the lack of detail concerning an essential legal element is the under opinion fatal and the undersigned opinion fatal.
So he says there is no proof.
They don't list witnesses.
They don't list what they got.
It's a lie.
It's a giant, stinking fraud.
dan friesen
So you can hear what's going on there, and it's that Alex is trying to pretend to be reading an article, but he got lost while he was making up details and injecting his own story into the article.
Alex is too caught up in massaging this story to fit his narrative that he's unable to convincingly pretend to be using a primary source.
Because he's just riffing this, Alex has ended up fabricating a quote from this judge, which should be a bigger no-no for someone who's obsessed with truth.
I just, I never lie.
jordan holmes
I did worry that we were about to get the judge himself saying, you can't handle the truth to Fanny Willis.
dan friesen
Right.
To quote the judge, end it because I can't.
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
So we're getting into this Twitter space.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
These are the hot topics.
He's laid it out, what he wants to talk about.
But I've noticed this, and I think that this is a pretty consistent thing, and that is that Chase Geyser is the moderator of the Twitter spaces whenever Alex does it.
So Alex wants to check in with Chase a little bit before we get to the riffraff.
alex jones
I want to now go quickly to Chase Geyser, who's a great reporter here and investigator, and also co-host quite often with all the shows.
Because you can't say it's a backup host.
It's not.
We're all hosts here.
Not one host is better than the other, but he...
He fills in for all three shows, which is critical to have.
And as soon as we get some more great reporters and journalists and broadcasters here, he'll have a show if he wants one.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
There's so much good work behind the scenes, I probably only want him to do that.
And then we'll have backup hosts for that.
Because we like to expand instead of contract.
That's certainly what people want and what we could do if we weren't constantly being attacked, which is the whole point of what the enemy's doing.
But the attack only makes us bigger anyway, so it's paradoxical.
But Chase, your view on Putin, your view on Haiti, your view on TikTok, your view on the Trump.
Main charges being dropped in Georgia because no evidence was given.
Fraudulent indictment, the judge said.
I mean, this is all seismic stuff.
So you're a man of many words, but not when you do these exes, you kind of demure and sit in the background.
But I want you to spend a few minutes.
Let's spend the next four or five minutes.
You've got the floor just about your view as a parent, as a father, as a patriot, about where we are as a republic.
I think we're right back where George Washington was in 1776.
Decision time.
unidentified
Thanks, Alex.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
chase geiser
I do have one issue with something you said.
jordan holmes
You said we were all the same as hosts here.
I'm pretty sure you're the best host, Alex.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Chase gets it.
That's cute.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that, like, short going from, like, oh, kill me and dismisses!
We're also trying to expand.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're gonna hire some more great people out here so Jason can get his own show.
jordan holmes
Like, I just, I imagine that movie scene where it is, it is like the mobster with the gun to his head holding it.
He's just like, do it, man!
Do it!
I got nothing to live for anymore, man!
Also, next week I'm going to open up a Five Guys franchise, so I don't know.
dan friesen
We're expanding all of our...
jordan holmes
Listen, I could use a back-of-the-house guy.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
Hey, look, the back-of-the-house guy is as important as ever.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
Kill me or be a back-of-the-house guy.
jordan holmes
You choose.
dan friesen
Chase.
We only have you host when other people aren't there.
Now, does that make you a backup?
jordan holmes
No.
Wait, what?
dan friesen
You're great.
You're great.
You tell me I'm great.
jordan holmes
We're great.
dan friesen
So fake Elon Musk doesn't show up.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And neither does the Krasenstein brother.
It's a very uneventful time talking to random weirdos.
jordan holmes
Just regular folk.
dan friesen
There was one person who called in who I looked up his Twitter and he's an artist.
And by that I mean he makes AI pictures.
And so that was fun.
jordan holmes
That's not real.
dan friesen
But there's not a whole lot going on, except for a few things that stick out.
And this is just a little thing that I wanted to bookmark.
unidentified
You, sir, are quite the fortune teller.
alex jones
That's all I'm going to say.
Well, brother, I'd love to say I'm smart.
I learned very young that, like, 35 years ago, the globalists were taking over.
I had family that had worked for them.
They told me I should fight them, and so I'm not prescient.
I have their enemy plan.
It'd be like if I was given the other team's playbook, and we just have to have the courage to admit the playbook is horrible.
It's scary, but we have the playbook.
I think we can beat them.
What do you think?
dan friesen
So, which family members were working for the globalists?
jordan holmes
I mean, does that count as, like, the deep state?
People, like, you know, his uncle was in the, you know, I mean, you know, that whole thing.
dan friesen
His uncle was flying planes or he worked on a hangar or something.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Or maybe was deep in Iran-Contra.
Maybe not.
jordan holmes
I'm not sure.
Is that working for globalists?
dan friesen
That might be, or maybe it's his dad who went to work for an underground base.
Sure, sure.
Or maybe he didn't.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I don't think he did.
dan friesen
Well, different tellings of the story from Alex have different details.
jordan holmes
It's the different tellings that make me question it.
dan friesen
So maybe it's his dad.
Maybe it's his uncle.
Maybe it's everybody.
jordan holmes
It's literally most of his family at this point?
alex jones
My mom.
unidentified
My mom worked for Global Spies.
jordan holmes
Anyways, my family owns Raytheon.
I've worked for a lot of Globalists over the years.
No big deal.
dan friesen
You can all trust me.
It's only because my family all work for the globalists that I know they're bad.
alex jones
Yep, yep, yep.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
We're making a compelling argument.
So we get another caller, and I insist on calling them callers, I guess, because it's the tradition.
jordan holmes
Continuity.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Now, I do notice that there are a lot more people who are available on X than...
Oh, goddammit, I called it X. There's a lot more people who are available on Twitter than on his calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think, and I notice that it's not the same weirdos, like people named Owl Killer and that one Carlos guy who calls in every fucking day whenever they use the phones.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a different group of people, and I think that maybe that's good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but man.
God, what I wouldn't give for old man house phone to try in spaces.
dan friesen
He doesn't have a Twitter.
jordan holmes
I would give anything for him to be like, what, the house phone isn't working anymore?
dan friesen
I called in to the spaces from my house phone.
jordan holmes
I got my grandkid to set up my spaces.
dan friesen
So we got one guy who is going to tell Alex about how Rogan is bringing people to Christ.
And then here's something.
Something happens that I find very interesting.
Alex starts talking about the Bible and then gets lost.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
I've even had atheist friends in my past who have followed Joe Rogan, and it seems that him turning to Christ as well is also affecting them.
And this great awakening, I know amongst the younger generation that we've kind of had more of an onslaught of disinformation and misinformation than any other prior generation in the past.
But at the same time, it seems that they, that the people who are righteous, who are turning to Christ, are the most righteous generation.
And I think it's interesting to note that these really are the last days.
And that a righteous generation is truly rising up.
And that we are going to save our nation by turning our hearts and our minds back to Christ.
alex jones
No, I hear you, but let me just say something here.
Because I don't go after what mainline preachers say or any of that.
I go after spirit.
And I've also been to a ton of Sunday school, read the Bible.
Studied it, and it's prophetic, and it's profound, and it's inspired by God.
But look at Nineveh, and look at Jonah.
They get a hundred-year reprieve.
So we are predestined.
God gave us free will, but knows how it ends.
But it's almost like choose your adventure.
There's different future potentials.
Like in Dune, which is a great writer.
Of course.
The films are never as good as the book.
Everybody should read Dune.
His next few books on that, I've read the whole series, are okay.
You can tell he was just mailing it in.
But Dune is really heavy in the mindset of the globalists, but also what's really going on.
And it's that Paul Atreides, once he accesses his full male line's genetic memory, which we all have but can't access, he then sees all the future paths.
But then he also understands his decisions and others make determinations on that path.
So imagine having all that knowledge.
I'm being able to see the future paths, but understanding that it's foggy at certain points because you don't know what free will is going to do.
So Paul Atreides in that archetype is not a god, but he's beginning to be able to at least see some of what God sees.
He can't interpret it all, but he's now been given godlike vision.
dan friesen
So now I've been brought to three realizations.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The first is that Alex just saw Dune.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Part two.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And not as good as the book.
unidentified
It's great.
Not as good as the book.
jordan holmes
It is better than the book.
dan friesen
And then the next books are bad.
jordan holmes
The next books are, I mean, I made the joke that people don't finish Children of Dune.
dan friesen
Right.
That might not be a joke.
jordan holmes
Which is ironic from Alex, especially because of what he's describing there, is that Children of Dune begins the Leto 2 kind of thing.
Jared?
Which I would suggest.
If you go from writing like a 199-page book to writing a 600-page book, you didn't suddenly phone it in.
I disagree.
dan friesen
Alex's second book is much thicker than the first one.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
That is fair.
dan friesen
I think that there was a tradition of sci-fi authors that got paid by the word.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But I mean, this was the big one.
So God Emperor of Dune is really just the ultimate...
Charlie problem, right?
And that's the conversation that Alex is thinking he's talking about with Paul and Leto.
Paul can see everything, right?
He can see the future.
And so he has this choice.
Either I can choose the future because I see it.
So any choice I make, I control what's going to happen, right?
So if I do that, then I am now responsible for everything that happens, right?
So, instead of dealing with that, he burns his eyes out and then goes to the desert to die.
Now, that's the way to do it.
dan friesen
It's a choice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now, his kid, on the other hand, becomes the god-emperor of Dune, accepts worm skin, and lives for thousands of years.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright?
Now, here's what the trolley problem is.
Alright?
If you can see the future, in most, if not all, futures, humans go extinct.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right?
But...
You can find one where humans don't go extinct.
dan friesen
This is like Avengers Endgame.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But if this future where humans don't go extinct requires you to be the worst human being that ever lived to the point where you get worm skin and murder billions upon billions of people.
dan friesen
That's a tough cross to bear.
jordan holmes
Tough!
Space Hitler?
Not a good job.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
History won't remember you fondly.
jordan holmes
History does not remember him fondly, and yet at the same time, the trolley problem.
You wouldn't have history if it weren't for me.
So who are you going to blame?
You or me?
dan friesen
Sounds phoned in.
jordan holmes
It's tough!
It's tough!
You phoned it in!
dan friesen
So the second thing that I realized is that Alex started talking about the Bible and then just started thinking about Dune.
jordan holmes
That is kind of very similar.
dan friesen
I do believe him when he says that he doesn't go for the mainline preachers and stuff, and maybe Dune is his Bible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Third thing I realized is that...
Alex thinks he's Paul Atreides.
jordan holmes
Yes, 100%.
dan friesen
I have never read Dune.
I pretend to sometimes to play along with you.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Well, actually, I did read Dune when I was too young.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't really remember a whole lot of it.
unidentified
Yeah, you're fine.
dan friesen
But I didn't realize how much of Alex's download from God and stuff like that is sort of just that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't realize that.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Genetic memories, the whole thing.
So the Bene Gesserit, by going through the spice agony, can contact all...
So when every woman is born, they're born with all the eggs they'll ever have.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So that means that every time a woman is born, three women are alive in the same body.
If they have a kid.
But the point being, for the sci-fi of it, is that because of that, every woman can see every past life of hers.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Not hers, but genetic line.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But men can't do that because, you know, we're born with dicks and then die.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's no big connection between us and the past.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So that's the idea.
dan friesen
So Alex has just taken this and turned it chauvinist.
jordan holmes
You bet.
Now, again, Frank Herbert's point is messiahs are bad.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Don't trust space Hitler.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's not a good idea.
dan friesen
Let me ask this question because, like I said, I've never read it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What's the perks to getting worm skin?
jordan holmes
Live thousands of years.
Practically indestructible.
dan friesen
Seems like there's some upsides.
jordan holmes
Can see the future, the past.
You are essentially the focal points of all human beings.
dan friesen
Worm skin gives you psychic powers?
jordan holmes
Well, a little bit.
dan friesen
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. What are the downsides to worm skin?
jordan holmes
Giant worm, can't fuck, try to get married, then because of that you get drowned and that's the end of your life.
dan friesen
So this is less worm skin and more you're turned into a giant worm.
jordan holmes
There is that!
You are turned into a giant worm.
dan friesen
You're underselling it by saying you've got worm skin, because that makes it sound like armor.
jordan holmes
See, well, it is.
So what's cool about it is you become a giant worm.
He turns into, I think it's like 20 meters or like 12 meters long.
He's real big.
dan friesen
It's big.
jordan holmes
Or maybe, yeah, I can't remember the exact meters.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But he still has hands.
He still gets arms.
dan friesen
Oh, no, I don't like that.
jordan holmes
So he's got vestigial arms like this, right?
But his face is giant and surrounded by a worm cowl.
So it's like the worms that you saw on the screen from the trailers, but imagine there's a head.
dan friesen
With hands.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not into it.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
unidentified
I'll pass.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't do it.
dan friesen
I'll pass.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't do it.
dan friesen
So, Alex saw Dune.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He gets another call.
jordan holmes
So did I. I don't know if you noticed.
dan friesen
You have some awareness of it.
jordan holmes
Might.
dan friesen
I think you and Alex should talk Dune sometime.
jordan holmes
I don't think we should, because he really wouldn't like the actual close reading of it.
It's really not good for anything he believes in.
dan friesen
I'm not sure he's thrilled to close reading anything.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So, he gets another call, and this person wants to know about Trump's uncle.
Right?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
John Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Do you know about John Trump?
jordan holmes
I've heard of John Trump.
I know he and Fred got up some negative business.
dan friesen
He's associated with Tesla in some way.
I believe there are a bunch of conspiracy theories about time travel and what have you.
Going around in some...
Back in 2016, this is a vague memory.
Barron's a time traveler, some kind of shit.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
dan friesen
Anyway, this guy wants to know what the deal is.
jordan holmes
It's a good question.
dan friesen
With John Trump.
jordan holmes
It's a good question.
dan friesen
And Alex, I think mishears something.
chase geiser
Okay, let's hear from Bill.
unidentified
Bill's been waiting patiently.
chase geiser
Go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say, Bill.
unidentified
Hi, y 'all.
Wherever y 'all are, good afternoon, good evening, whatever.
Alex, man, 22 years I've been listening to you, brother.
Pleasure, honor, no need to respond.
This is not obligatory, whatever.
But dude, love you.
And I guess my main question comes about, and I know this is off topic, but it's all related.
It comes about CERN.
And I've done a lot of research on CERN, and I know that Donald Trump's uncle, John G. Trump, was involved with, you know, the MIT stuff, with Tesla stuff.
alex jones
He definitely was.
He headed up the secret project with the Tesla technology.
unidentified
Yeah, and I was just wondering if you could shed a little bit more light, because in my head, it's like I'm loose ends together, because, you know, the Baron Von Trump novels, all this weird shit connecting.
I guess, can you shed any light on that for me, man?
alex jones
Well, I mean, specifically, there's different factions on the planet.
And there's good factions, bad factions, opportunistic factions.
But this current globalist faction is going down.
So you can say, is Elon Musk trying to take over that faction?
Or is he with us?
It doesn't matter.
He's bringing down the old faction.
Then if he turns against us, we'll turn against him.
But, I mean, I would say Elon Musk right now is probably more important than Trump because Trump is so embattled.
And Trump is older, so it all remains to be seen.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
Now, I hate to follow up with another question, man, but 5G.
dan friesen
5G, dude.
jordan holmes
5G, dude!
I honestly, I genuinely like that question.
If you are curious, if you are curious and interested in the answer...
5G, dude!
I think that's a perfectly fine question.
dan friesen
5G, dude.
jordan holmes
I would like to know more!
dan friesen
I will say, I kind of like this guy.
I think I could hang out with Bill.
jordan holmes
He does seem hangoutable.
dan friesen
I don't think we'd agree on a whole lot.
But he doesn't sound as hostile as some people that you run into in these spaces.
But I think that Alex heard the word Tesla.
In relation to John Trump.
And then just started talking about Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I think his brain just jumped over there.
Because he doesn't answer the question at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There is no engagement with the Trump's uncle side of things.
The Baron von Trump novels or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
That's what I was questioning.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are the Baron von Trump novels?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
Because I was like, wait, is that like a nickname for the sun?
For Baron Trump?
And then it's the time traveler?
dan friesen
I assume it's something like that.
jordan holmes
It's got to be something.
dan friesen
Someone probably wrote a novel about Baron being a time traveler.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Or some shit.
jordan holmes
That'd be more fun.
dan friesen
In hindsight, I admit I could have looked that up.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If Alex had given any kind of an answer that related, I probably would have.
But since he just jumped to Elon Musk and how great he is, it's just kind of like, well, he's not trying.
jordan holmes
He doesn't care.
Why should we?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not fair.
dan friesen
Stupid.
jordan holmes
Not fair.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is...
A great summation of the kind of value you're going to get out of an Alex Jones Twitter space.
This guy calls in and he wants to know about the Smith Modernization Act.
unidentified
Not many people really understand how important this is.
And the precursor, the Smith Moon Modernization Act.
This has been a slow rollout to censor the public and to really kind of put this globalist plan into effect.
And I think a lot of people...
We need to start looking into that law a lot more because it's kind of like the holy grail for these guys.
It was the key to let them start doing what they were doing, and thank God for Elon Musk stepping up a little bit.
But what are your thoughts on maybe doing a master class on that law?
alex jones
No, I agree with you.
Chase, you want to comment on that?
jordan holmes
I wasn't paying attention.
I was adding speakers.
I'm sorry, Alex.
alex jones
No, you're absolutely right.
People need to research what's going on.
That's really important.
I mean, what do you think the deep state's going to pull?
To stop the American people.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, okay.
I've got this thing.
It's super important.
What do you think about talking a bit about this?
Chase, what do you think?
I wasn't paying attention.
Turn this question back around on you, buddy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not getting anything.
Alex doesn't have shit to say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I feel okay.
And I don't want to throw this name out there.
This is just a name from my childhood, right?
But I remember really enjoying Pablo Francisco's Comedy Central half hour in like the mid-90s, you know?
And then later on when I became a comic and I saw Pablo Francisco and he was doing the half hour special from the mid-90s.
The first words I heard, I went, oh no.
And then I was done.
I was like, oh, I got it.
dan friesen
And that's kind of what you should feel.
jordan holmes
That's what you should feel, right?
You hear that and you should just go, oh no.
And then be done with Alex.
That should be the end of it, right?
dan friesen
The second he's like, Chase?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Chase, what do you think?
Oh, fuck off.
And then click.
dan friesen
You don't have an answer.
Now, the thing that I think is...
Very generous of me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I'm nothing but not fair.
Sure.
I'm not mad at Chase about that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
About his response.
jordan holmes
It's not his job!
dan friesen
He's being the moderator.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There's a couple times when Alex throws to him and he's like, I wasn't paying attention, I was doing other stuff.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And that's what he should be doing.
Alex needs him to be a crutch, and it's not his job to be a crutch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I'm not mad at you, Chase.
You're doing your thing.
Alex, drop the ball on this.
In a glaring way.
jordan holmes
100%.
100% agree.
Chase, not your fault.
I would say that this one won't be held against you on your next interview for a job, but a lot of other stuff will be.
dan friesen
Well, he might not need another interview for a job if they sell all that iodine.
Or something.
And then he's going to get his own show when they expand after you end it!
Because I can't!
jordan holmes
If I'm Schroyer listening to Alex go, show me!
Show me!
Show me!
I've just got to be like, what am I going to do?
If his dad has a landscaping business, he's going to be fine.
dan friesen
I see Owen Schroyer sitting there taking notes and he's like, how am I going to match this intensely?
He's just sitting there and he's like, this.
This is who I aspire to be like.
This is my role model.
jordan holmes
Here's my lesson from this, as I would learn nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and it was a little bit disappointing that we didn't get any.
The stars weren't out.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
On Twitter.
And, you know, you just get kind of InfoWars listeners.
But I do think that there is something notable about the tone that he strikes with his bankruptcy.
And I think that...
I think he really does want them to crush Infowars.
jordan holmes
I think we all do!
unidentified
I'm coming around on maybe not!
I'm coming around on, if this is what he seems to be begging for, then the alternative is probably better.
jordan holmes
No, don't you fall for the reverse psychology.
No, no, no, no, no.
I mean, obviously he's not clever enough to be able to pull that off, but you can't take the risk.
You understand?
You gotta kill.
dan friesen
I think at the end of the day, the reality is either isn't a good outcome for him.
Sure.
But maybe being forced to stay as the sole one-man business of Infowars, making money for the plaintiffs, and shit.
Maybe that is a prospect that is a little worse for him.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, you can't let it, because you don't know what the future's going to hold.
You don't know what the future's gonna hold.
If you, you know, you say that, that's gonna happen now, but then, three years from now, Trump makes all defamation laws no longer count, so he can tell IBM to fucking die, or whatever it is he wants to do.
Right?
So you gotta make sure that it's taken care of now.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you're gonna plan for that kind of eventuality, then we all need worm skin.
And this whole thing, you know, you can't be too careful.
jordan holmes
Hey, I can handle the trolley problem.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
We'll see what ends up happening.
But I don't think Chase is getting his own show.
And I worry if fake Elon's going to be back.
jordan holmes
I would strongly suggest I doubt it.
dan friesen
But we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's KnowledgeFight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, can you boop the theme from Dune for me?
jordan holmes
The theme from Dune?
dan friesen
There's no love theme?
jordan holmes
There's no love theme.
dan friesen
There's no like...
unidentified
That's my worst Harry Potter.
dan friesen
There's no like anthemic John Williams Dune.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
The original Dune movie was made by David Lynch.
There's no love theme.
dan friesen
I'm talking about the new ones.
jordan holmes
Well, you can't have an iconic old theme from 2021.
dan friesen
Shut it down.
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
Woo, yeah!
jordan holmes
And now...
Here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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