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March 11, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#908: The Secret Mission

In this installment, Dan and Jordan find out what Alex's "secret mission" was.  Turns out, he was invited to do a post-State of the Union show with Tucker Carlson, which is ends up barely involving the State of the Union.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
23:16
d
dan friesen
34:36
j
jordan holmes
23:06
t
tucker carlson
05:22
Appearances
Clips
m
mika brzezinski
00:07
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
alex jones
In Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you, sir.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is I am, as people know on the streets, I am drawn towards the monstrosity, the novelty of particularly fast food type arrangements.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And I found what may be one of the wilder ones in a while.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Over at the old Kentucky Fried Chicken.
I don't know if you've heard about this.
jordan holmes
I have not heard of anything going on.
dan friesen
Have you heard of the chitza?
jordan holmes
I'm not.
What?
It's a chicken pizza from Kentucky Fried Chicken?
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
What are you fucking talking about?
You stop.
You shut your mouth, sir.
dan friesen
It's a pizza where the crust is chicken.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No!
But it's not like you imagined.
It's not like giant.
It's just like a piece of chicken with sauce, cheese, and pepperoni on it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And, of course...
jordan holmes
It's like a little personal pan pizza.
dan friesen
Yep.
Once I heard about this, there was no stopping me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you were already in the lobby, yeah.
dan friesen
And so I tried it.
It's fine.
jordan holmes
It's fine.
dan friesen
It's exactly what you think it would be.
jordan holmes
It's exactly what you think it would be.
dan friesen
It's basically like a chicken parmesan, basically, but you're eating it by hand, and I don't know.
The one I got, they forgot to put cheese on it, so it was even like...
But it didn't hurt it that much, honestly.
jordan holmes
I imagine it would.
dan friesen
Really, the business end of it is the pizza sauce on the chicken.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's pizza sauce on chicken.
You can go home and make that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I give it a B. It's not nearly as crazy as the idea and the name Chitza is.
jordan holmes
See, I think the Chitza is what...
But Cheatsa's imagery is never, you're never going to live up to the imagery that you immediately get when you think Cheatsa, because I immediately see a big pizza pie with a fucking full-ass fried chicken on top of it.
dan friesen
You have, with KFC, I think, too, they have such a legacy with the bowl, the famous bowl.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then the double down.
jordan holmes
Double down?
dan friesen
You have these absurd, what the fuck are you thinking kind of things.
jordan holmes
The medic.
dan friesen
And I think that this is not going to reach that level.
Because on its face it looks crazy, but it's not really that crazy.
Nah.
A sandwich where the bread is chicken is crazy.
unidentified
That's nuts!
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
That's still unacceptably years later.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is just kind of like, meh, it's fine.
It'll wear out its own momentum.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
You were just talking about mini-games where you get to become a little guy earlier, right before we started recording.
jordan holmes
You get to do any number.
I mean, you can criticize it in a lot of ways.
And I've seen people do that.
But what they can't criticize it for is that it's just so goddamn much fun.
It's just so much fun.
Every time I want to not be there, I go, let me go back in.
Yeah, it's just so much fun.
dan friesen
Every time you want out, they pull you back in.
jordan holmes
They pull me back in.
unidentified
It's like the mob.
jordan holmes
Oh, I gotta go somewhere.
No, I don't.
No, I do not.
dan friesen
Well, that's, I mean, obviously, congratulations.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
I know that it was a big thing for you looking forward to it, and I'm glad it's paid off.
jordan holmes
It really did.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, nothing more to say, really.
jordan holmes
It's great.
Yeah, it is.
You know, let's just enjoy a situation where you go, I hope this thing's good, and then it's great, and you go, great.
dan friesen
I hope it doesn't have third act problems.
jordan holmes
Listen, it will.
Because the third act is in another disc or another game.
dan friesen
This is the middle bit.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yup.
dan friesen
I don't know why you put up with that.
That's an abusive structure.
jordan holmes
You're asking me.
dan friesen
Well, I hope you continue to enjoy.
jordan holmes
Me too.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's the payoff of Alex's secret mission.
jordan holmes
Is it really?
dan friesen
We get to find out what Alex's secret mission was.
unidentified
Well, hmm.
dan friesen
We do.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
No one...
You don't trust me.
jordan holmes
That's...
dan friesen
I understand that there's a lot of rug pulling that goes on, but...
Alright, I deserve it.
But look, what do you think it was?
jordan holmes
I want to say it's got to be a podcaster.
I want to say, did he do the shirtless guys?
What is it called?
No hockey.
The podcast where they talk about sports.
That he was on, that he got super drunk and they made fun of him.
Was this years ago?
Did I make this up?
dan friesen
You might have made this up.
jordan holmes
No sports.
No.
dan friesen
Rogan?
jordan holmes
No.
God damn.
dan friesen
No.
Flagrant 2?
jordan holmes
Yes.
Flagrant 2. That's a sports thing, right?
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
Well, maybe it's flagrant foul.
unidentified
Flagrant foul.
dan friesen
Yes.
No, I guess it is.
I didn't think about it that way because I don't think they talk.
The episodes that I've seen have not been sports related.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Because it's like Alex.
But he did get shirtless and get really fucked up, and they did make fun of him.
jordan holmes
All right, so okay.
dan friesen
So yeah, you are correct on that.
I just didn't associate that with sports.
But maybe that's on me.
It's my fault.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It's just the only thing that I can think of.
dan friesen
There's some other podcasts that he's been on in the past, like Sam Tripoli, his podcast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What's up with the trips?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I haven't checked in on him.
I bet it's not great.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
So I'm going to tell you he was not on Flagrant 2. Okay, okay.
Do you have any other guesses?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, fuck it.
Tucker.
Was he on Tucker?
dan friesen
Man.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
He was on Tucker!
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
I thought I was hoping to get a couple more bad guesses before we hit it.
I was hoping to get to, like, Bank Heist or something.
Yeah, he was hanging out with Tucker.
jordan holmes
I was thinking it could go so many different directions that I was like, let's just take the biggest swing first.
dan friesen
Goddamn.
Wow.
They did the live response to the State of the Union, to Biden's State of the Union.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
On Tucker Carlson Network, he did a video where he did a, like, after the State of the Union thing, and Alex was one of his two guests.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
So Alex got to...
jordan holmes
Okay.
That would make more sense, because I didn't, you know, like, I assumed that I would hear about it, you know?
Like, the last time he was on Tucker, I didn't know...
That he was going to be, but, like, I saw news about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
This time I had no idea.
Nope.
That's not good.
dan friesen
Don't think it got nearly as much traction as the last time, for sure.
And I think part of that is because it's like, hey, you know what's interesting?
The door being opened.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it's not interesting.
The door's just still open.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, and I think that because...
And there's a couple elements to that that I think is really weird.
Because I think it's maybe more important news that he's continuing to buddy around with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the first one, you could be like, this is a desperate cash grab of some sort.
This is a tension.
Alex is hot in the sort of, quote-unquote, subversive circles.
Shitheads on Twitter.
So it could be like, hey, I'm making the most out of this by associating myself with him.
But now it's like, no, no, you really want to associate with this guy.
You're not just exploiting the situation, it appears.
It appears like you really think that he's got the goods.
And that, to me, is a little bit more troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does suggest either we have no concept of what has legs, or no one does.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I can't imagine thinking, if I'm Tucker, thinking like, oh yeah, Alex, this isn't a terrible wagon to hitch to, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, but I don't know if it actually is.
I mean, like, Alex is about to probably have his life destroyed by the courts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you might be able to buy low.
jordan holmes
No, that's fair.
dan friesen
If you're somebody like Tucker who has the Tucker Carlson network, maybe you see somebody whose life is about to be torpedoed and his business destroyed.
You're like, well, that's a fucking free agent who's going to need something.
It doesn't make the least sense to try and swing in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is such a good point.
dan friesen
Alex is a money-making proven commodity over decades.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
If you're somebody who's like, hey, all right.
My rule, don't get me sued.
Do whatever you want.
I don't give a shit.
Make me money.
jordan holmes
That's funny, because we joked about, you know, like, Tucker joining InfoWars.
The idea of Alex becoming just working for Tucker as a...
dan friesen
Hey, Alex Jones here for the Tucker Carlson Network.
jordan holmes
That sounds crazy.
That sounds...
I don't know if he could do...
I don't know if he could fully work for somebody else.
Do you think?
dan friesen
It would lead to tension as soon as Tucker wasn't...
jordan holmes
On board with whatever it is he just did.
dan friesen
As soon as he gives some indication that he's a little globalisty, there could be trouble.
Yeah, I don't know if that's exactly what's happening, but that could be some kind of an explanation for why it appears that he thinks there's legs there.
But I would offer a counter proposal, and that is that maybe we underestimate how nuts Tucker is.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
I think that there is a chance that because he presents himself as much more...
Sane and normal.
And I was on Fox News and I wore a bow tie for years.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You don't actually think that you're being chased by demons, right?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I mean, condescension does go a long way towards disguising whether or not you're insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I feel like, man, if you successfully nab an interview with Putin while he's doing Putin shit...
If you're just crazy, man, that's...
I don't know if I can hang with that.
dan friesen
Well, I think even if you are crazy and you're Tucker, you have some people around you who maybe aren't as crazy.
Maybe they handle a little bit of the admin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe the people behind the scenes, directly behind these media people, are actually really geniuses in terms of just being able to point them in the right direction.
dan friesen
I mean, from a sort of crass money-making standpoint.
They know what they're doing.
jordan holmes
It does seem that way.
dan friesen
So we're going to get into Tucker and Alex talking about the...
Not really talking about the State of the Union.
jordan holmes
What is there to talk about?
unidentified
There's not much.
dan friesen
I mean, there are, in the real world, there's some stuff.
But instead, they go broad with things.
And so we'll get down to business on that.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new woks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, what did one hat say to the other hat?
You stay here and I'll go on ahead.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, I want a world where any people can grow their own food and weed and protect it with their own guns on their land with children they may or may not abort for whichever religious or moral reason they choose.
Is that too much to ask?
Submitted by Rabels McCall, Idaho.
Not Ohio.
Idaho.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, last podcast on the left, Research Goblin.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And thank you for your public service, Celia.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Pink Panda Hugs.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, we jump in, and we're not even going to bother with the first half of Tucker's response episode, because Alex jumps in at the midway point.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And so here, Tucker gives the introduction to Alex, and they ruminate on why must Biden lie so much.
tucker carlson
So, we are honored to invite into the studio, for the first time, to respond live, Alex Jones, who has a different, more holistic view of what we're seeing.
The great Alex Jones, who needs to know.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
tucker carlson
One of the most famous people in American media.
alex jones
I can't do as good as you, but I'm blessed to be here.
Great crew, great people, great to be here with you.
tucker carlson
So what, I mean, just give me your big picture.
What assessment of that?
alex jones
I gotta say, because we didn't even meet before we went on air, I was downstairs writing notes, and you basically said everything I was going to say, and so did the doctor.
But you asked them a question out of the gates.
You said, why do they lie so much?
Do they think we're dumb or what's going on?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
alex jones
They want to tell so many lies that you don't have time to counter them all.
Because it would take five hours to counter all that.
tucker carlson
I gave up in my note-taking.
alex jones
Yeah, everything was a lie.
I mean, the biggest one was like, yeah, this woman got killed by a legal alien.
We're trying to stop that.
I want to shut down the border.
He said, when I win, immediately surge the border.
And then they had the big NGOs, the State Department that funds the UN NGOs, have all the illegals come up here.
They have UN camps in South America and Central America and in Mexico.
And he's running it all.
He says, come here.
They show up by the thousands in Biden shirts.
So he's like, I'm so sad the illegal aliens are killing you.
And many of them are convicted felons, a large portion.
And then he's acting dumb and saying, oh, no, no, I'm really sad illegal aliens are raping and murdering.
So just that little window there, he's playing the good cop to his own globalist policies.
dan friesen
So this is a good example of the people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones kind of moment without saying that folks like Biden just tell so many lies because they know that folks that are trying to rebut them can't keep up.
Alex is probably the person most guilty of using those rhetorical tactics, and in fact immediately engages in that exact same behavior after accusing Biden of it.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Biden didn't tell everyone to surge the border.
Trump had made it prohibitively difficult for anyone to apply for asylum or refugee status, and Biden was saying that when he became president, these people should know that they're welcome to come here.
Alex thinks that any non-white immigration is an attack, so he hears that Biden saying that kind of thing as a battle cry.
The woman who Alex is referring to is a 22-year-old from Georgia named Lackin Riley.
A man from Venezuela who had entered the country illegally has been charged with her murder, and she's become a political symbol in recent days for the xenophobic right-wing folks, particularly Marjorie Taylor Greene, who interrupted the State of the Union speech to yell, say her name at Biden.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yep.
All murder is tragic and unnecessary, but the way that this case is being used as a means to push legislation that's meant to demonize immigrants is a bit scary.
When you think of who has the least credible voice on issues like this, Alex Jones is way up at the top.
All you need to do is go back and view his coverage of the death of Kate Steinle to see how he brings intense levels of his own personal white victimhood feelings into this kind of news commentary, and he is instantly disqualified.
Stineley's death was entirely accidental, but Alex turned it into a story where this non-white immigrant was so jealous of how beautiful Stineley was and so mad that he couldn't have her that he killed her.
media outlets and politicians engage in this much white victimhood pandering in their coverage of these issues, Alex will accuse them of supporting a migrant invasion of the country because he's not a person who engages with this stuff seriously, and it's all based in this white fear that he has.
Yeah.
unidentified
And to pretend that he has a leg to stand on here is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I mean, what do you do?
How do you react?
Honestly.
Like, how do you react when somebody is like, oh, I hate it when people do this, and then their next words are, the thing they hate.
dan friesen
Well, if I didn't do a show about him, I'd probably just be like, I'm out.
jordan holmes
It does feel like the emotional reaction to that seems almost indescribable to me because it is so much like I feel like an action is required at that point.
dan friesen
An action could be checking out.
An action could just be like, oh, I see what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I'm good.
Absolutely.
We're not going to be able to get to the bottom of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't like...
Argue with somebody.
You know, like, you can't talk to somebody.
You can't be like, aha, you just did that.
Because they know.
They have to know.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And if they don't know...
dan friesen
And then they'll say, no, I'm not, and then do it again.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
So Alex starts to assess the speech, and I get the sense that he might have had a couple of Tito's.
alex jones
First he comes out and says, Trump is Hitler, and then he moves on to Ukraine.
So it's not about the dying cities.
It's not about the fentanyl and the needles and the aliens everywhere and the homeless everywhere.
It's all about Ukraine because that's their big model to distract us and also launder money.
So this is a very, very dangerous moment for America.
And your last guest was dead on.
He and the whole establishment is so emblematic of a rotting, collapsing facade that knows the people have turned against it.
And it's just pure rage.
All the fakeness, all the pomp and circumstance has been stripped away.
And now there's just this seething, ancient dinosaur.
In fact, I was watching earlier during the State of the Union and then sitting here watching earlier.
I was thinking, how do I start this?
I want to say, it's like we're in a time machine.
Looking back on the age of the dinosaurs, the Paleolithic or something, or...
I mean, we're looking back because we're...
Time is compressed now.
So we're here looking at a dying, corrupt, dead political empire that hates America and is trying to use our power to take over the world.
And it's already gone.
The world's turning against it.
The Great Awakening's here.
All the numbers show it.
And they're trying to hang on.
And so we're looking back at Jurassic Park.
We're looking back at the dinosaurs.
But instead, the dinosaurs are trying to claw us back into hell.
I mean, take World War II.
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
Take World War II.
It's like, where are the dinosaurs?
Triassic.
Anyways, Jurassic Park.
Take World War II for me.
dan friesen
Biden didn't say that Trump was Hitler.
And I guess Alex is pretending all that stuff about the Hunter Biden intel being fake.
He's just pretending that didn't happen?
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
So that was a bit all over the place.
And I know that Alex and his friends like to call the mainstream media the dinosaur media.
But I'm a little worried he dug too deep with that swing.
Might have blown out his shoulder.
Also, Jurassic Park was in the present day.
That's not a time machine thing.
That's bringing the past to the present.
jordan holmes
That was the idea.
dan friesen
It's a little bit.
Anyway, if I'm Tucker, I might be worried that Alex might get him to prank call Brian Stelter at some point.
jordan holmes
It does feel that way.
dan friesen
And that's kind of something that goes throughout this, is that Tucker barely says anything.
It is just like, wind up Alex and let him go for like three minutes without taking a breath.
It's wild.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know.
There is something to be said about having one of those sound machines, but it's free.
It's voice activated, really.
dan friesen
It's an easy day at the office.
Bring in Alex, hit the button.
jordan holmes
Siri, make fart noises for the radio.
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Say something about dinosaurs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This piratical assemblage of dinosaurs.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Yeah, we got a seething ancient dinosaur, which I appreciate, because that makes me feel like there's one of those later dinosaurs, you know, like Triassic looking at Cretaceous like, man, that dude, fucking, he's pissed.
You know?
I like that.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, take World War II.
Should.
jordan holmes
What about it?
alex jones
So, we're looking back at Jurassic Park.
We're looking back at the dinosaurs.
But instead, the dinosaurs are trying to claw us back into hell.
I mean, take World War II.
Operation Valkyrie was the German general staff who were Nazis and bad guys, but they were like, we're going to lose the Russians.
We're going to lose the Americans.
We're going to lose the Allies.
A year and a half before the war ended, let's kill Hitler.
But they failed.
It's the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's the same as...
alex jones
The globalist program has failed, but...
But they're thinking, well, if we just enslave people and arrest people and do all this, they'll shut up and go away.
The New World Order has already failed.
The question is, when Hitler knew who was going to lose, he wrote and said, if the Germans fail on the Eastern Front with the Russians, all the Germans deserve to die.
They failed and they're weak.
And so he flooded the German subways.
He let the whole Russian army come in.
25 million Germans died.
26 million Russians died.
Most of World War II was the Russians and the Nazis killing each other.
And so it's kind of that same thing.
The left saying, if we're going down, we're taking you all with us.
And then we have Klaus Schwab saying, you will eat bugs.
We have Tyson Foods saying, we're moving in with crickets as the main batter for your chicken and everything else.
I mean, they're really, you all know Harari was on late night comedy just last night.
And he's like, yes, late night comedy is over.
dan friesen
What is happening?
That is so incoherent.
The through line is almost impossible to follow, and then it ends with boutique talking points about Klaus Schwab making you eat bugs and Yuval Noah Harari being on some late night comedy.
He was on late night comedy.
jordan holmes
He was on late night comedy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yuval Noah Harari was on late night comedy the other day.
jordan holmes
You know that that means that the globalists have failed, like in Operation Valkyrie.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is, I mean, I know the Nazis were bad, but they were trying to kill Hitler.
Which, you know, Hitler killed Hitler, so maybe Hitler was a good guy.
dan friesen
Interesting theory.
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
So you remember a few minutes ago when Alex was complaining about people rattling off a ton of stuff?
jordan holmes
Is that what he was doing?
I don't remember.
He rattled off too much shit in the meantime.
dan friesen
Maybe a little bit.
So in this case, if we're trying to track what he's saying, he's saying...
jordan holmes
Is that what we're trying to do?
dan friesen
Well...
So the globalists are Hitler, right?
And does he want people to do Operation Valkyrie on the globalists?
jordan holmes
I thought the globalists were doing Operation Valkyrie, but failing at it?
dan friesen
See?
See, there's a lot of ways to read this.
It's not very...
jordan holmes
Well, because obviously Operation Valkyrie didn't kill Hitler.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So the comparison can't be like, well, it's just like when Operation Valkyrie successfully killed Hitler.
dan friesen
Well, see, here's the thing.
Most of what he's talking about is this idea that Hitler was trying to drag down the people with him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that doesn't apply to Operation Valkyrie.
No.
jordan holmes
Hitler is not involved in that.
dan friesen
Well, he was the target.
jordan holmes
Beyond being the target of that, yes.
dan friesen
Thematically, there's a disconnect between these two things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's weird that the brain is jumping around like that.
jordan holmes
It is strange.
dan friesen
Also, Tyson is not making cricket protein the main batter for chicken.
jordan holmes
Can they even do that?
Is that even a thing you can do for Tyson?
dan friesen
In theory, they could, I guess, but they're not.
jordan holmes
I know they sell battered chicken, but I mean...
dan friesen
So what happened here is that they've invested in a company called Protix that works with insect-based protein.
A major aspect of their partnership is to use the animal waste created by Tyson Production to feed insects that are raised by Protix, who would then be used in pet and fish food.
The reporting on this stuff is really clear that it's not going to be anything that's involved with human food, but Alex knows that the optics are here and he's popularized the idiotic you will eat the bugs catchphrase, so he can pass this lie off on Tucker and his audience.
It's just ridiculous.
Also, there may be a little bit of that World War II stuff that may not be fully concrete.
Maybe a little bit...
jordan holmes
Here's what frustrates me.
Here's what frustrates me.
Because I feel like everyone should be able to see where we are, where we were, and then make predictions about where we'll be.
Like, for instance, seeing where we are...
I think it's easy to assume that conservative lunatics like Alex will be the first people to embrace eating bugs, right?
Like, you can't be the guys who are like, hey, we can't have computer chips inside people!
And then be the guys who are like, they're finally doing it!
We're finally going to get a computer chip inside of us!
You can't be both!
dan friesen
Well, they are.
jordan holmes
Unless you are, and then you're going to be the first people to eat the fucking bugs, too.
So just eat the bugs, man!
dan friesen
Also, if some hardened survivalist type was like, if you want to survive when the shit goes down, you're going to eat the bugs.
jordan holmes
They're going to eat the bugs!
dan friesen
But this would all be entirely different.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It is a little bit silly.
But anyway, in this next clip...
Alex complains about leftists who apparently aren't as good as German soldiers during World War II.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That's just where we're at.
alex jones
They're trying to claw us down to hell with them.
tucker carlson
It does almost seem like, I mean, flirting with nuclear war, which they are doing on multiple fronts with no plan whatsoever at all, we're going to finish the job.
They never explained what the job was.
That's suicidal.
I mean, it's not, right, it's not going to help them.
alex jones
It's psychotic.
tucker carlson
It is psychotic.
So it does feel like the leaders of the society are trying to destroy the society.
alex jones
And again, I go back to Hitler, who in his own writings, this is not my opinion, he's like, the Germans deserve to die, so we're just going to stand here at Berlin.
And they're like, sir, the Russians have entered the subways.
Flood it.
And they go, sir, we've got a million Germans, families, children in the subways.
He said, they deserve to die.
So the left...
It's not giving up because they're disconnected from reality.
Unlike German soldiers who were fighting for an evil force, but they were at least fighting.
The left live in high-rise apartments.
They're disconnected from reality.
And to them, it's all like a video game.
And they don't realize, as you were just saying, Macron three weeks ago, yeah, we're going to have a national draft.
We may have to send troops in to fight the Russians directly.
The British Ministry of Defense, the Swedish Ministry of Defense, NATO officially.
Yeah.
And you've got Sean Penn saying, you know, we shouldn't have nuclear war off the table.
It's survivable.
What does he know about nuclear war?
And so you can see it.
tucker carlson
Sean Penn said nuclear war is survivable?
alex jones
If you look it up, he's like, the quote's basically, a lot of people say we shouldn't use nuclear weapons in Ukraine against the Russians.
Well, we shouldn't take that off the table.
And so that's the mindset of these people.
To them, it's like a video game.
dan friesen
So that stuff about NATO and all that is not true.
Also, I would suggest that Tucker is somebody who probably should have every reason to understand what finishing the job means in terms of the Ukraine war.
He went and interviewed Putin.
He has to have some awareness of the issues here.
He's playing dumb, and it's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, it was like last year, Sean Penn was interviewed by Hannity, and he said that nuclear war was horrible, it was an outcome no one wants, but we should rethink how we operate if only bully countries like Putin's Russia are allowed to threaten to use them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's a bad way to articulate the point, but it was a point more about the uneven playing field that favors bad actors.
tucker carlson
Right.
dan friesen
But, you framed it.
Poorly, and I can understand how Alex wants to pretend that he said we should fucking nuke people.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a little bit of a misrepresentation, but whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, really, you know.
It's either...
You're either gonna use nuclear weapons, and we all die.
Which is fine.
If we all die, it's fine.
dan friesen
I'm going to go ahead and just put in my disagreement.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
But if 90% of people die and then 10% of people left, then they have to acknowledge it.
It's horrifying.
It's terrible.
But if everybody dies, nobody has to deal with it later.
It's just over.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I would prefer it to just be over than to, like, drag it out forever and ever and ever as people suffer and die, radioactive poisoning.
So the idea of using, like, just one bomb, that's just not gonna happen.
Once you shoot one, you're gonna shoot them all.
dan friesen
Okay, I don't know if that's true, but...
I would like you to debate Sean Penn.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying, once you shoot one, you gotta shoot them all.
Otherwise, it's gonna be miserable.
dan friesen
It's not like Pringles.
It's just miserable.
jordan holmes
It's gonna be miserable for everybody if you don't get rid of everybody, you know?
dan friesen
Okay.
I think that this mentality is how you end up in a situation where everybody launches everything.
jordan holmes
I mean, mutually assured destruction is a promise, really.
dan friesen
To you.
To you.
So, Alex, he watched the State of the Union and he was bewildered because he doesn't watch media much, which I found surprising.
unidentified
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Mainstream media has collapsed.
I mean, CNN's top show, 100,000 viewers.
I was down there in your studio entrance watching this during the...
Before we went live, and I was writing notes, and I was like, I haven't watched this in years.
And again, I was like studying.
tucker carlson
I hadn't either.
alex jones
I was like an anthropologist, like studying some ancient tribe that died, and watching them all.
Well, he's old, but he's really smart, and he's great.
And they were all like these talking points regurgitating him.
And I was like, but I get it.
Because unlike an ancient tribe that died 10,000 years ago, they're still in control of nuclear weapons, so we need to study them.
tucker carlson
So nicely put.
dan friesen
So well put.
So Alex shouldn't be saying that he hasn't watched this stuff in years, because the whole premise of his show is that he watches the media, and he's able to read between the lines of their reporting to tell what the globalist plans are.
If he's saying he hasn't watched this stuff in a long time for years, it really raises the question of what he's been gleaming his information from, and the answer to that is very obvious.
Stupid right-wing memes and skimming headlines, same as ever.
That is what his assessment is based on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whenever they say stuff like that, where they think, what I'm going to do is I'm going to add extra oomph to my idea that I'm about to present forth by saying, I'm surprised at this because I haven't watched it in so long.
I'm adding extra oomph to the argument I'm making right now.
Except for you have to realize that you have been telling people for 30 years that you watch every single one of them.
unidentified
Constantly reading everything and studying all the time.
jordan holmes
You are always doing this.
So now to say that you haven't been doing this for years.
dan friesen
And you could be generous and be like, okay, he's talking about the State of the Union.
You covered it last year, dum-dum.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
You haven't listened to the last several State of the Union addresses, which means you covered things that you didn't cover.
dan friesen
And spoiler alert, he didn't probably even watch the full ones of Trump's.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Just took the clips that were popular in those memes and shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So look, honesty is important.
We know that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
Especially to these dishonest folks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was gonna say.
tucker carlson
If the hallmark of evil is deception, I think we can say that we're looking at evil.
I mean, if you're telling, if the basis of your entire program is a lie...
It's not just spinning it a little bit.
It's a lie.
It's the inversion of the truth.
alex jones
And they know it's a lie.
tucker carlson
And they know it's a lie.
Then, I mean, isn't that evil?
What's the other definition?
alex jones
Well, that's really it.
We have to realize evil is lying.
Like in your own life.
As I get older, I lied when I was a kid.
I lied to someone when I was an adult.
As I get older, lies have consequences.
My whole life is now about not ever telling them, like catching myself, being honest.
My wife's like, you look at that girl?
Yeah, I am.
Sorry.
Instead of like, oh no, I'm not.
Because your mind gets trained to be accurate when you stop lying.
Instead, when you lie, it's a disease.
And then it takes you over.
And these people are literally cancer.
You just lied.
All these mercenaries that will read their talking points.
But as negative as it is, Tucker, you know this, what, 3-4% have taken the new booster shots?
And when they rolled the first shot, it was like 70%.
People are rejecting it.
But there's the converse of that.
The dying establishment, like when a woman tries to leave a man that's beating her.
They're going to try to break our jaw in the parking lot when we're trying to get in the car.
They're trying to keep us from escaping.
And so we're at that point.
We're trying to get in the station wagon with the kids.
We're trying to pile them in.
And, you know, the drunk mean is right there punching us in the face.
But at the end...
jordan holmes
Is that a personal story?
alex jones
We're getting out of Dodge.
We're leaving Egypt.
We're going on to the promised land here.
And it's going to take...
You know, that archetype of the Promised Land.
It's going to take 40 years or whatever out in the wilderness, but at least we're not going to be slaves anymore.
So we're in that process of emancipation right now.
They're pissed.
They're freaking out because they want control.
Any fulfilled person is out fishing or hunting or hanging with a family like you and I are.
There's a beautiful sunset.
We're having a great dinner, playing with our dogs, our cats, our kids.
These people are not fulfilled.
They don't have that.
If you study globalists, they are the most empty.
You look at Soros or Alexander Soros.
I mean, they have nothing.
So they're projecting.
Rejecting their hatred, just like a Hitler or a Stalin or a Lenin, on us.
We've got to realize they are mentally ill.
They are sick.
They are cancer.
They're malfunctioning.
We don't hate them.
We just politically cut them out and separate them from the rest of society.
And we're at that point right now of the surgery.
America and the world is going under the knife.
And let's hope and pray that a successful surgery.
Because if it's not, World War III.
tucker carlson
It's just amazing that they tried to cancel you.
And what you just said, even if people don't agree with it ever, it's so much more interesting and smart than anything ever uttered on CNN or MSNBC.
And I worked at those channels, so I know for a fact.
alex jones
It's so smart!
dan friesen
It's so much more smart and interesting than anything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay, I'll take him at face value.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If that is true, then Alex Jones needs to be arrested for threatening to commit genocide.
I mean, if you want to say that Alex is smart, Tucker, then you just realize that he threatened to commit genocide as a political position.
dan friesen
How so?
jordan holmes
You don't understand the whole cutting things out with a knife part?
And if not, World War III?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
So if that's something very smart, fine.
I will say to you, Tucker, agreed.
That is very smart.
Now put him in jail, for good, because he can't be here.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I do think that there's something very interesting about the names that he chose being Soros and Soros' son.
I do think there's something there.
jordan holmes
I mean, I assume they just share a name.
There's no specific thing that they might share that might be a particular thing that sets them off.
dan friesen
No, certainly not something about their name being sort of a...
A decades-long buzzword of anti-Semitism.
Yeah, definitely not.
jordan holmes
Definitely not something they want to excise out of society because it's a cancer.
Those words have never been used before to describe things pre-genocide.
dan friesen
So the important thing is truth.
They don't lie.
Alex doesn't lie.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's fine.
Fine.
unidentified
Then...
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Then somebody take them at face value and put Alex in jail for that shit.
I don't know what to tell you.
dan friesen
I do think that if you want to play this game where it's like I don't lie about anything, then...
You need to now be responsible for the things that you've said.
unidentified
Totally, yeah.
dan friesen
And all of the things that weren't lies.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
We will take you, like, fundamentally seriously.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you don't even get to speak metaphorically anymore.
You can't do that politically murder you shit.
You can't do any of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like, it does feel like that has to be the rule for some people of just, like, you don't get to use words.
You're irresponsible with them, and you can't be trusted to use them without hurting people.
dan friesen
Well, I think that the fun thing about this is...
That it's a lie.
The not lying is a lie.
And so that's how he evades any of that responsibility.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And society has just determined that we go along with it.
We just let this be.
jordan holmes
It is like we would rather spend...
Hours upon hours upon hours of our lives arguing over what is inside somebody's heart, whether or not they know they're lying, than just not care about whether or not they're lying and just go, your behavior requires this action.
The end.
Doesn't matter what you feel about it.
dan friesen
Well, when you're talking about actions, one of those actions that Alex doesn't take is lying.
alex jones
Uh-oh.
tucker carlson
So what's the experience, not to get sidetracked, but it was so interesting what you said about your commitment to just telling the truth.
In your personal life and your professional life, what's the effect on you once you decide, I'm going to really try not to lie at all, ever?
alex jones
Your brain is a powerful, all our brains are a powerful electrochemical computer.
And so...
jordan holmes
I'm going to stop you right there.
alex jones
So it's like AI.
When they corrupt AI and give it some woke agenda, it doesn't work right.
It messes up.
You see the Gemini thing with Google.
It messes the whole thing up.
They wanted a little bit of erase the white people.
Not totally erase them.
So it backfired down.
Google's down 70 billion in the market cap.
Huge scandal because it's so ridiculous.
So from my own research and studying mainline literature and scientific research on it...
But I've already experienced it.
So under the research, I went out and found that what I'd already experienced was real.
When you tell your brain to lie, or to not be honest, you're really lying to yourself, and then you start using all this brain capacity to figure out the lie and to then try to project things to cover up the lie.
When you get into a...
I'm at a neurotic level.
I go on the air and talk bad about myself and bad things.
People say, why is he doing that?
Because the more I do it, the more my brain cleans out, and now it's just laser-focused, and now I know things much clearer.
And so it's like we're moving computer viruses.
And so when you get to the point of just not lying, I mean, I used to tell lies every day.
Leftists tell lies continually.
The thing is, you go to the other extreme, all you do is tell lies.
So when you start moving away from lies, you get to the point where, well, I told one lie this week, and that was terrible.
Because it's robbing from you, not just people you're lying to.
So I've gotten to the point of almost zero lying.
And it's super empowering.
And again, it's cleaning out your computer to where your brain can then operate, not worrying about telling lies.
It can just say what's accurate.
tucker carlson
That's amazing.
I sense, strongly sense that what you just said is the key to everything.
jordan holmes
Strongly.
tucker carlson
To tell the truth, period.
No matter what.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Flashback to that clip of Tucker in an interview saying he lies when he's got his back to the corner and he needs to get out of a situation.
He's willing to lie.
Oh, this is such bullshit.
This is two dudes just jack it off.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is 100% like I cannot believe.
That your dick is so big.
It's so big.
How big is your dick?
It's as big as mine.
Look at us, the two biggest dicked men in the world.
dan friesen
They have no reason to do this other than to just sort of glorify each other.
jordan holmes
This is not entertaining.
It's not informative.
It's not true.
It's definitely not true.
It is psychologically damaging.
It is reality.
It is gaslighting as a profession.
dan friesen
And it is like a real choice that Tucker is clearly making.
That is to launder Alex and present him in this way that Alex wants to be presented.
Which, to me, indicates maybe that he wants him to be on his network.
Because this is how you would try and get someone over.
You know, if you want to try and cash in on them.
jordan holmes
It does feel as though...
Tucker goes, blah, blah, blah, and then Alex starts talking, and then Tuxer's head is just like...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow, Alex, that was amazing.
dan friesen
I feel like that's the key.
jordan holmes
That is the smartest thing.
dan friesen
But also, Tucker has some of his own little piccadillos he needs to bring in.
jordan holmes
Sure, absolutely.
dan friesen
Some of his own concerns.
Namely, that there's a war on white people.
jordan holmes
Oh, obvious.
tucker carlson
Back to the behavior, the impulses, the motives of the people running things.
Obviously, they're incompetent.
That's demonstrable.
But they're also kind of monomaniac.
Like, they're very focused on certain hatreds.
And just judging by what they say, their main hatred is for white people who are the majority of the country.
They talk about it constantly.
They've set up a whole regime to punish white people.
You're the racist.
Okay, got it.
But I don't think I've ever seen it on clearer display than in a now sort of famous MSNBC segment from last week.
I hate to even play their garbage, but this is just so amazing.
I have to play it for you.
unidentified
Why are white rural voters a threat to democracy at this point?
mika brzezinski
You would think, as we pointed out, looking at Joe Biden's background and Donald Trump's, that the opposite would be true.
unidentified
I mean, we lay out the fourfold interconnected threat that white rural voters pose to the country.
First of all, and we show...
30 polls and national studies to demonstrate this.
We provide the receipts in Chapter 6. They're the most racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, and anti-gay geodemographic group in the country.
Second, they're the most conspiracist group.
QAnon support and subscribers, election denialism, COVID denialism and scientific skepticism, Obama birtherism.
Third, anti-democratic sentiments.
They don't believe in an independent press, free speech.
They're most likely to say the president should be able to act unilaterally without any checks from Congress or the courts or their bureaucracy.
They're also the most strongly white nationalists and white Christian nationalists.
And fourth, they are most likely to excuse or justify violence.
tucker carlson
So there's so many things that are interesting about what those two pigs are saying on television.
And the most interesting to me is that white rural voters are, of course, the weakest people in America.
alex jones
When rural people, period.
tucker carlson
Rural people, period.
That's exactly right, regardless of race.
but that none of the supposed crimes that he mentioned, whether they're true or not, are crimes of action.
They're all thought crimes.
And so they're the most dangerous people in the country, not because they're killing others or embezzling money or getting rich through the carried interest loophole or starting wars, pushing people in front of subway trains.
They're the most dangerous because they have thoughts Well, they're not crimes.
dan friesen
These aren't crimes nor thought crimes.
their voting patterns that, you know, I think we can all agree that that was not a well-framed Could be worse.
Could be better.
But if the argument is this demographic group has a voting pattern that tends towards anti-democratic ideas, I think...
Saying this is a threat to democracy.
It makes sense.
But I also think it's probably...
You should have rewritten that segment.
It's not a war on white people.
jordan holmes
It's not a war on white people.
What I feel strongly about is that pigs is our word.
dan friesen
Like for cops.
jordan holmes
The right wing can't use pigs.
They can't use pigs because the right wing is pigs.
That's what pigs are.
They're pigs.
That's what they are.
That's what they've always been.
Hippies, till now, they're pigs.
Fucking beatniks, till now, they're pigs.
Fucking whatever, flappers, till now, they're pigs.
dan friesen
So it is interesting, though, that you have this presentation that Tucker is making that is like they have a monomaniacal hatred of white people, and then there's a discussion of a specific demographic group.
Of white people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not all white people.
White rural voters.
Right.
Which seems strange.
Using this as evidence of a war on white people, it could be just as easily argued to be a war against rural folk or whatever.
But, yeah, I don't know.
I think that this is just...
jordan holmes
Does singling out a group of white people make it less racist?
You know?
Because it's like, hey, it's not all white people.
It's just this specific group that lives here.
dan friesen
In West Virginia for some reason.
There's talk of how well Trump does among white women voters.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Is that racist or sexist?
jordan holmes
Ah, boy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
These days.
dan friesen
So it is also mostly about the rural voter idea.
And Alex, you could hear that little bit of a disconnect between him and Tucker there where he's like...
Tucker says the rural voter is weak, and Alex is like, the rural is the strongest.
jordan holmes
You don't understand.
The rural voter is my listener.
dan friesen
They're trying to sort of negotiate populism within the moment.
But it is all just an attack on the farmers, much like all communists have ever done.
alex jones
And that's what it comes down to.
If you remember in June of 2001, when Biden had just stolen the election, in my view, and gotten into power.
He put out that national anti-terrorism perspective, national directive, and he said white supremacism is the number one threat.
Then he defined white supremacism as questioning lockdowns or open borders or forced shots.
And so it's real simple.
dan friesen
This guy doesn't lie.
alex jones
That MSNBC talking point from 10 years ago that all Republicans are racist, they're trying to codify the law and then define racist as anyone that doesn't want to give up their cows or their farm or be a slave.
So what they're threatened by is self-sufficient people.
Because it's a military takeover by the left and by the WHO, and we talked about this when I was on three or four months ago on your show out of Maine.
They are literally understanding we've got the cities, we're about to take the dollar, we're collapsing the border.
Who is the opposition?
They're already lazing the target that it's the rural people.
Remember I said, next it's get the rurals, they're the enemy.
And now that talking point is everywhere.
I probably saw that clip 30 times the last week, 50 times the last month.
And that's their next talk.
Just like when Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin took over just Moscow and a few cities, took them five years to take over Russia, who was the target?
The farmers.
tucker carlson
The Kulaks.
alex jones
Because they produced the food.
And if you get them, now you've got everybody.
So they're doing, as you did a few weeks ago with that incredible lady, a malice-slash-Stalinist Lenin playbook because it works.
And so this is happening.
This isn't a question.
This is going down.
tucker carlson
So what's the...
I wish I didn't agree with that, but the evidence suggests you're absolutely right.
dan friesen
Well, Tucker signing off.
He's hitching his wagon pretty good here, I think.
To me, I hear this and I think, what happened to all the food plant fire conspiracies?
There's so many other things that he's tried to push along these lines that have just kind of like, oh, that didn't have enough...
Gas.
There wasn't enough momentum there, so we kind of just gave up on that.
But we're retaining the overarching umbrella, which is this war on farmers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now, see, here's where I think, just strategically, it just doesn't make sense to me, right?
So if you're the globalists, you get rid of the rural people first, then when you go after the cities...
The people are just gonna run into the country.
You've just opened up space for them to run.
Doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
They already have the cities, right?
I mean, that's kind of what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, I forgot that they already have the...
But they gotta exterminate 90% of the population.
They can't have all the cities.
dan friesen
Sure.
We do know that that is eventually...
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're still coming after people in cities.
dan friesen
I just...
I guess I tire of the sort of shifting strategy that the globalists are using to...
To kill off everybody.
Inevitably, that is the, you know, it's on the Georgia Guidestones, so that is definitely what's happening.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Every kind of, like, whatever the mood is, that's the strategy that they're using, and I've always said that it is.
jordan holmes
It would either be there's too many cooks in the kitchen, or...
One man is whimsical and incapable of impulse control.
It's entirely possible it could go either direction.
dan friesen
It's either too many cooks or one really messy cook.
jordan holmes
Could be.
unidentified
Could be.
dan friesen
So Tucker, he's wrestling with why do we let in immigrants?
What is the point?
jordan holmes
Deep question.
What is the purpose?
tucker carlson
No one has ever explained the purpose of...
Admitting 10 million foreigners illegally into the country.
So we used to hear at Chamber of Commerce, the farm lobby would say, we need the labor.
No one's saying that now because we don't need the labor.
And people say, well, we're doing it because there's some reason we're doing it.
I haven't heard one person, including Joe Biden tonight, explain why have they done this?
What is the purpose?
alex jones
Well, I love how you played Merrick Garland earlier.
And he's like, oh, there's all these racists.
They're trying to get people from voting.
How many cities, how many blue cities let illegals vote?
In San Francisco, they put a foreigner, not even a citizen...
On the board of elections in San Francisco.
tucker carlson
Yeah, Chinese national.
alex jones
Absolutely.
So they're just normalizing this.
dan friesen
So I imagine no matter how many times someone's answered that question for Tucker, no answer is vice.
It's not a sincere question of why would we allow people into the country.
But you can see the little sleight of hand that Alex does there.
He's asked why we let in immigrants, and he immediately starts talking about cities letting resident non-citizens vote in local elections, which he's mischaracterizing.
Because he doesn't lie.
This isn't undocumented immigrants voting, and it's far less widespread a phenomenon than Alex is pretending.
He takes that, and then he jumps immediately to the case of Kelly Wong, the Chinese woman who was appointed to the San Francisco election board, who Alex calls a CHICOM.
There's no evidence that she's a communist or has any ties to the Chinese government, but, you know, that's...
What she is to him, which is telling.
If you pay close attention, none of this is actually even related to each other.
These points are like A, B, C. It's all over the place, but it all revolves around the idea that Alex and Tucker are actually discussing, which is great replacement conspiracy theories.
That is the tone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What was the last time you heard the word foreigner in a neutral context?
Just neutral.
I'm just looking for neutral, and I feel like the last time was in fucking...
The stranger.
The fucking French literature.
I have to go all the way to French literature.
And that book was racist.
Do you understand?
dan friesen
So maybe it wasn't as neutral as you're thinking.
Yeah, this is pretty xenophobic pretty hard.
And it continues down that road.
But thankfully, Alex has a suggestion in this clip as to what can be done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is very simple.
So Rome took 400 years of bringing in foreign troops to fall.
They didn't do it on purpose.
But the globalists look at 1984 as fiction, or they look at Rome and they go, which was historical, and they go, that is a blueprint.
That is an owner's manual.
That is a battle plan.
So that's what the Great Reset is.
It's accelerating the collapse of Western civilization because you don't want Interround to compete with the globalist model of eat the bugs and slavery.
So they're actively seeing prosperity and Christian nationalist freedom.
God forbid the rest of the world pick up.
Western culture.
So you brand it as racist.
You say it's bad because it's like kryptonite to Superman or holy water and high noon to a vampire.
If people say, I want my Second Amendment, I want my due process, I want my capitalism, well then it's over for the Black Rocks and the Googles and the Facebooks.
So that's why they're fundamentally branding freedom as a white evil thing because, let's face it, Western civilization did develop.
From Greece on, this incredible thing that could uplift humanity, so you discredit it by making it racial instead of selling it to the world and having everyone adopt it and creating a unification, not through centralization or enslavement, but through adoption because it works so well.
And so the globalist tyrants are fundamentally threatened by Western Christian civilization, and that's why they're at war with it, which is why we should embrace it, and that's the great numbers of double the blacks voting for Trump.
Triple the Hispanics, what we just saw 10 years ago.
And that's why they're in full panic mode, trying to bring in totally uninformed foreigners from all over who they control and who they can run through NGOs, hoping that they'll be the savior.
So as negative as all this is, I see this as the panic button being hit.
tucker carlson
So what's the right response for normal people in a moment like this?
alex jones
I think they have to promote your show, which is the number one show in the world.
Commentary.
I mean, it is.
You're up there and Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.
I'm down below that.
But I'm really pleased to see you reaching hundreds of millions of people every day.
And really, that's not about Tucker Carlson, though it is about you, but that's secondary.
It's about people resonating with that, shows they have the instinct and the spirit for victory.
dan friesen
Oh, that false modesty of you're the top show and then Jordan Peterson and I'm below that.
That's fun.
But yeah, the solution to everything is always...
Promote my brand and promote your brand, which elevates me because we're connected now.
That's great.
And then also, it's always the panic button.
The globalists are always pushing the panic button.
They're freaking out.
They're being forced to act for the last 25 fucking years on his show.
It's a little bit exhausting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like if I were the globalists...
I would want to have won by now.
Or lost.
Like, either way.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, because...
And I'm gonna throw this out at you.
Here's my thought process, okay?
So, in one case, it's Alex's job to always be fighting.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And in the other case, theoretically, the globalists want to end the fight.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So why does it seem as though one of them...
It's the only one who's doing what they want to do.
dan friesen
Well, because the other side maybe is imaginary.
jordan holmes
That seems like it could be a problem.
dan friesen
The other side is just a sort of scapegoat and a punching bag.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A way to attack sort of more progressive social ideas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that eternal fight between good and evil.
Man, I prefer short, Bursts.
Like a short bout.
Good and evil for like 5-10 minutes.
dan friesen
You bring up like a really funny image and that is like some version of the globalists that are just like, alright, now our goal is to constantly be fighting with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
If so, then they're successful as hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the only explanation.
If they actually exist, is it because they're doing exactly what they want to be doing?
dan friesen
We just want to create a way for one drunk idiot in Texas to be rich.
That's our nefarious global plan.
jordan holmes
Even better.
Even better.
We want to make someone...
Absurd.
We want to make somebody who's both insane because they believe things that are true that no one can possibly believe because there's no way we exist, right?
So we've driven him insane, but we've also made him wealthy, which makes him even more insane, which makes him a danger to all of everybody, which is a better plan than whatever plan they've had so far.
dan friesen
No.
We will carry this out, starting at the beginning of history, on behalf of Satan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And it'll...
We're gonna have to hit the panic button about a hundred million times.
jordan holmes
Here's what happened.
dan friesen
Along the way.
jordan holmes
Here's what happened.
Okay, Romulus looked over at Remus and was like, man, we're gonna have too many foreign soldiers.
So we gotta start thinking now.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a little silly.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
So, you just gotta rally with Alex.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex, all good people need to...
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Watch the shows that are cool.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
And when you just sit back and go, wait, this can't be real.
Klaus Schwab is promoting stuff that sounds like Hellraiser.
Well, so was Hitler, so was Stalin.
And when we realized that this is an evil manifestation that crops up in our species of bad people want power.
The problem is good people don't seek power.
Because we're going to be left alone, hang out with our families, go fish, go hunt, go to dinner, go play golf.
I'm the same way.
But I'm sorry, folks.
Good people can't sit there and say, I'm too good for this.
Because we will be destroyed if we don't.
And that's what evil fears.
So the good men and women are now standing up, and we're super popular.
Every popular talk shows.
There's no one.
Even Bill Maher poses as a conservative now.
And I hope he comes all the way over, a populist.
unidentified
There's no one that's popular promoting the New World Order.
alex jones
That's what I'm saying.
Look at the positiveness of how humans desire, like a man in the desert wants water, freedom.
And all we're doing is promoting the natural programming that works.
And so it's easy.
We're the winners.
We're the victors.
We're not the cancer.
We're following the program God gave us that is like oxygen, and we have to just declare the enemy cancer and just say, we're done.
Shun them.
Don't engage in violence.
They want that.
And just give them no support and the maximum back the truth, and we will win.
tucker carlson
As I listen to you talk, I'm like, why is Alex Jones getting cancelled?
Well, you haven't been cancelled.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why.
Yeah, he hasn't been.
I think that, you know, there's such an obsession with our shows are popular, and then it's compared to a non-existent thing, which is this imagining that there would be a Joe Rogan type who was like, hey, you know what's great?
One world government.
alex jones
Nah.
dan friesen
Like, imagining that that is something that he's in competition with is fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I think with Bill Maher, in order for him to become a quote-unquote patriot, based on everything that Alex has said, like, Alex for years was like...
everything that comes out of his mouth is the New World Order scripting.
He's the mouthpiece of the New World Order.
So in order for him to really I think the problem here, right, is that...
jordan holmes
When you've made Bill Maher so evil, he can never come back.
dan friesen
Well, he can, but it has to be so far.
jordan holmes
No, but you understand.
Here's the thing.
If he can come back after being so evil, then anyone can come back.
So you have no cockroach enemies.
You have no dehumanized enemies.
You have people that you just haven't convinced enough yet.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So now you're telling me...
That anybody could be saved.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but I think that Alex would say that.
I think that that is true, because I think that they're profoundly obsessed with the idea of their enemies coming over to their side.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, if you read his book, if you read the Great Reset book, or maybe it was the second one, I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But there's, like, an obsession with parsing some of Yuval Noah Harari's words to be like, I sense regret in him.
And even the furthest gone can renounce their ways.
And I hear lingering doubt that the globalism is the way to go.
Because that is the...
It's a distortion of the idea of the prodigal son.
jordan holmes
Sure.
No, no, no.
I understand.
I understand.
But it's like you can't call people the devil.
The devil doesn't come over to your side.
dan friesen
But what if he does?
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
That's the point of the story!
dan friesen
But that's a big win.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not a win because if he does come over to your side...
Okay, I'm going to try and dig into the story with you, okay?
If he does come over to your side, the main thing about him to know...
Is that he lies to you in order to bring you over to his side.
So when he comes to yours, he's not going to stay there.
dan friesen
So you think Bill Maher's trying to pull a fast one on Alex?
jordan holmes
I mean, anybody could be.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex is non-violent.
You heard that there.
He said that the globalists want you to be violent.
jordan holmes
They're tricky like that.
dan friesen
Yes.
And so he's, you know, that's what he's about.
He's about non-violence.
unidentified
He's about that.
tucker carlson
You think that as things get more intense, which they will, The people in charge desire violence.
They're trying to provoke a violent...
alex jones
Absolutely.
They can't win in a peaceful fight.
tucker carlson
But you have said...
Contrary to what they say about you, you've said, no, no, remain peaceful, period.
alex jones
Absolutely.
I mean, what they do is anytime you're watching corporate establishment enemy media, you'll see a three-second clip.
That's not, folks, you're being deceived when you see that.
So I'll say, like, this is satire.
It's the modest proposal by the famous Irish essayist and satirist Swift that if the world collapses, I'll eat my neighbors.
This is a joke.
But I go, collapse of the world leads to that.
They go, look, he just said I'll eat my neighbors.
They're deceiving.
It's like that refrigerator game with all the little words.
You can move the words around and say whatever you want.
They basically take our words, move them around, and that's a deception.
But when you look at what they're saying, conservatives and populists and Christians are going to kill people, and they're going to murder people, and Trump is going to be a dictator.
And he's planning to, you know, enslave everybody.
But meanwhile, they're the ones taking him off the ballot.
They're the ones indicting him.
They're the ones saying...
I mean, the Atlantic Monthly, that's the mouthpiece of Sauron.
The mouth of Satan came out two weeks ago and said...
The headline was something like, even if Trump wins, we're just going to block him.
Well, all Trump did was say, I want a 10-day investigation, which is constitutional.
They said...
They were honest.
They said...
Even if he wins, we'll just decertify him.
So they've basically indicted him in Georgia for saying, let's investigate.
They're openly saying we're going to disqualify him, and then it's okay.
So again, there's a murder of logic.
dan friesen
This guy doesn't lie.
This guy checks himself constantly and does not lie.
Does not make things up bad headlines.
Doesn't misrepresent things at all.
So I think when people are concerned about Alex being violent, they're not talking about him saying he's going to eat his neighbors.
People were laughing at him about that.
That was joking and making fun of how...
He lost his shit and was screaming nonsense about eating leftist asses and stuff.
And he understands that.
He knows that that was really good for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Played into a great driver of attention.
jordan holmes
Always a delight.
dan friesen
People are a lot more concerned about some of the other stuff.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like his intense violence.
jordan holmes
Also, I understand, but I mean, I understand that what he means is he wasn't being serious when he says it was satire.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
But he was being serious.
He said that if society collapses, you will have to eat people, and therefore I will eat my neighbors.
There was no facetiousness involved.
dan friesen
Jonathan Swift was satire.
He was not.
jordan holmes
Because he wasn't actually saying we should eat...
dan friesen
No, no.
He was being dramatic.
And he had a flair for performance.
But he was...
jordan holmes
The core concept of what he was saying was a deliberate...
dan friesen
He believes that within days, everyone's a cannibal.
jordan holmes
Less than ten.
dan friesen
And so he will certainly eat you.
jordan holmes
He was arguing that.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Strongly.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He was not satirically arguing that.
dan friesen
It was not an empty threat.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
No.
So, obviously, the globalists want violence.
But Alex isn't violent, and his friends are not violent.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And, you know, I think history has borne that out.
They're pacifists.
So anyway, there's going to be false flags.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
They're saying, oh, Trump is going to engage in terror and there's white supremacy everywhere.
So I think you can do two plus two equals four.
We know false flags are real.
Provocateurs are real.
We know they tried to stage the kidnapping of Governor Whitmer.
In multiple trials, people got released.
They finally got the third trial, sent a few to prison, where you've got a bunch of marijuana.
You've covered it in detail.
A bunch of potheads, friendly little guys.
dan friesen
Friendly little guys.
alex jones
And then they tell them, we'll give you $10,000 a month if you just meet with us and just say you'll kidnap Whitmer.
So you're going to see a lot more of that, and we need to disavow that because that doesn't fix it.
The culture war.
So they want to induce us into violence.
And they've said they're introducing legislation of the Democratic Party in the House and Senate to strip Trump of the Insurrection Act.
Which George Herbert Walker Bush used during the L.A. riots.
And they're saying, oh, we know when he gets elected, if he does, there's going to be huge uprisings.
And he's a white supremacist, so we've got to drive him from office that way.
So they're planning to torch the country when he's president-elect before he's in and try to intimidate everyone.
So Black Lives Matter and Antifa and all of this Hezbollah-Hamas protests.
And again, I'm not for the war.
I don't like how far Israel's gone.
They're invoking that and hyping that up now as their third rail or their fifth column as the Islamicists to then burn the country down within weeks of him being president-elect and thinking they can terrorize the American people and the establishment into removing Trump somehow during that period.
They've already pre-announced that.
So I'm telling you now, eight months out, that's their plan.
dan friesen
Eight months out, this is what I'm going to say when there are protests about if Trump wins.
That's basically, I am going to say, That all of this is Hezbollah sleeper cell protests.
jordan holmes
That is a plan.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
And I mean, I think, I don't know how serious anything is about stripping Trump of the Insurrection Act or anything like that, but I will say that he did say he was going to be a dictator.
He wants to be a dictator for a day.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So maybe that's not the worst idea ever.
But I mean, I guess you can't really play that game.
If you allow someone to be president, you kind of have to let them have the powers.
jordan holmes
It is what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Turns out you shouldn't have given them all that power.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Here's my pitch.
Here's my pitch to all people writing laws.
When you write a law, you should also think about what would happen when the assholes...
Change their minds.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
So when you write that like, oh, marijuana's a legal law, you should also have written in that clause like, oh, but when those assholes say it's legal, then everybody's free again.
You can't be like, hey, they're just potheads and have people still spending life in prison for smoking weed, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, you can't do that.
You can have one or the other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's not cool.
jordan holmes
It's a bad law writing practice to not think of when those assholes are going to change their minds.
dan friesen
Yep.
And I loathe the way that Alex presents here this stuff about Palestinians and Gaza.
The Israelis, I don't like how far they've gone.
His whole take on things is giving lip service to, like, they've gone, Israel's not good, but also I don't want them here.
Any kind of protest in support of Palestinian rights, anything like that, is Hezbollah-Hamas protests.
And so he just, I don't know, his take is not good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a question of all the money is on the side against the patriots, all the Black Rocks and State Street vanguards.
jordan holmes
Is it?
dan friesen
I don't know, according to them.
So how do we deal with this?
jordan holmes
I mean, I would be encouraged if it was.
I would feel a lot better if it was.
dan friesen
Well, Alex has an answer to this.
unidentified
Yes.
tucker carlson
You mentioned the Atlantic, which is owned by a tech oligarch, Steve Jobs' widow.
And almost everything bad in the country is financed by the richest people in the country, I've noticed, the oligarchs.
And so all the money is kind of arrayed against the population of the country.
That worries me.
Can you throw off the yoke if the yoke has, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars?
alex jones
I think we are, thanks to Elon Musk.
I mean, you can say Elon Musk, with all his past activities, he's trying to dominate every technological sector.
But Christ said, judge a tree by its fruits.
tucker carlson
Yes.
alex jones
And the last two years, let's say it's a 360, like right here's New World Order, and right here's Total Patriot.
Musk was already over here.
He wasn't a bad guy, but he wasn't perfect.
He's moved.
Basically, a 180.
So he's like, you're the biggest guy in media.
No, it's true.
It's not about bragging.
It's true.
You're the biggest mainline talk show host.
I say mainline professional show.
There's a lot of people under you like me.
Elon Musk is way bigger than both of us.
He's reaching 100 million, 200 million people a day with stuff you would say.
I would say he's devastating them.
You don't do that if you're with them.
Elon Musk is definitely for real because you can't argue with the results.
That's just the way the universe works.
tucker carlson
This is being powered by X right now, I should just say.
alex jones
No, exactly.
And he's not censoring us.
tucker carlson
No.
alex jones
In fact, he's boosting us, probably.
dan friesen
Probably.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's weird.
That's so weird that you guys are on a platform that's powered by Twitter and you're...
Boot licking a little bit here.
Isn't Alex supposed to be mad at Elon for shadow banning him?
What's happening?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I just don't know.
dan friesen
It's a little bit silly to have these people who are, you know, Tucker releases his show on Twitter.
This is the Elon Musk network.
jordan holmes
It is.
It really is.
It really is designed just to give him a good old handy whenever he wants it.
dan friesen
The only hope for conspiracy theorists at this point is David Icke.
He's the only person who has the correct position, and they're going to regret not jumping on with him.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen.
I feel like this should not be a difficult argument to have and then end quickly.
This should be a quick one, right?
Is it possible to throw off the yoke of billionaires?
Well, I think it is because of Elon Musk.
unidentified
Wrong.
dan friesen
The end.
jordan holmes
The end of conversation.
dan friesen
Wrong.
We have a shithead billionaire who likes to post memes so much he bought a social media site.
jordan holmes
You have misunderstood the brief so far.
dan friesen
Is it possible to shake off the yoke of all of this oligarchical concentration of money?
Yes.
jordan holmes
By licking an oligarch's boots.
dan friesen
Or taxing them.
Reorganizing society so that that collection of wealth is not possible.
jordan holmes
Probably a good idea.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
I think we should just have one billionaire and then have a king.
And then the two of them can run a country together.
dan friesen
Right, we can have that king.
Who has all kinds of absolute power.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And throws people out of the country because they're immigrants and we don't need that.
And then we have this jester billionaire who posts shithead racist memes.
It's a good setup.
jordan holmes
I understand a lot of people don't like the direction this place is going, by which I mean the country or whatever, but man, it's going to be interesting.
It's going to be interesting.
It is not going to be boring.
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting that you bring that up.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Because the next question that Tucker asks is, where are we going to be in five years?
jordan holmes
Interesting.
tucker carlson
So you're pretty famous, not famous enough, for seeing events in some detail ahead of time.
You're the only person, I think, in the world who called 9-11 in detail.
You're on tape doing it.
They're going to fly planes to the World Trade Center and blame Bin Laden.
That's what you said.
I played the tape.
Edited.
Given your demonstrated ability to get a pretty clear sight picture of the future, where do you think we are in five years?
alex jones
We're either in heaven or hell.
It's the best of times or worst of times.
It was the best of times or worst of times.
We are in the crossroads right now.
We're going across the point of return and we have maximum effort to expose the evil and be honest ourselves about the problems we have and really try to empower people and reach out across.
Political lines and really turn things around.
dan friesen
We're not to the left.
alex jones
We have unlimited potential.
But I would have to say, if you look into the future, and it's not like into a crystal ball.
It's just all the political lines, all the data.
It's a very, I wouldn't say a probability, but near probability nuclear war.
And I have four children.
One of them is six years old.
I have nightmares about this because I know this is real.
tucker carlson
I agree with you.
alex jones
I don't say this for like...
Fear porn.
I mean, mainline analyst, the atomic scientist group, says we're two minutes to midnight.
It's the closest it's ever been, or I think like a minute to midnight.
And so we have to turn this around because we are entering the system where we're entering the house of destruction, and we're so close.
The Chinese proverb of live in interesting times is both positive and negative.
We're in very interesting times, the most interesting probably ever in human history.
We have godlike power, but we're actually decadent slobs, myself included.
And so...
Really, it's all up to us right now.
We are at that point of decision, and if we can get past the partisanship, but that doesn't mean then embrace the globalists and the corporate fascists.
No.
Reject them, and as populist Christians, conservatives, Hindus, Jews, Christians, Muslims, reject BlackRock, reject Klaus Schwab, reject Navalno Harari, who says the future's not human, and we're obsolete, and robots will run our lives in a decade.
No, we humans...
Are the only species that truly controls this environment.
So he wants us to decide we're animals and we're just receiving information.
No, we're going to decide a pro-human future.
dan friesen
Okay, so where are we going to be in five years?
jordan holmes
In heaven or hell.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, like, I love the way that this question is set up, which is, Tucker, you have prophetic powers with precision.
You have specific details that you see in the future.
jordan holmes
Call 9-11.
To a T. By Bin Laden, even.
Not just 9-11, but that it would be Bin Laden.
dan friesen
But it would be blamed on Bin Laden.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So we have this, like, you have laser-sharp detail-focused.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Where are we in five years?
jordan holmes
Broad strokes?
dan friesen
Could be in anything.
unidentified
Could be the best of times, could be the worst of times.
dan friesen
Thank you for fulfilling exactly what I asked you to do.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly.
You can see into the future, and your future, your possible future is it could be from anything to as far away as anything else.
dan friesen
It could be the best or the worst.
Right.
But also nukes.
jordan holmes
Could it also just be the same?
dan friesen
No.
Well, I guess that's within the spectrum.
jordan holmes
Could it be the extreme same, though?
Like, the most of the same?
Like, stasis.
Like, nobody even takes a step in five years.
What if we're all in exactly the same spot in five years?
Now, that's a fucking prediction.
dan friesen
But that would be heaven for Alex.
Except, well, I mean, I guess the lawsuits and all that stuff are probably not that great.
But the, you know, things staying the same is pretty good for him.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is pretty good for him.
dan friesen
The other thing that I find, first, I mean, just that's shit in terms of the question being asked and dodging it to an extreme.
jordan holmes
Could be good, could be bad, could be normal.
Anything.
dan friesen
This idea of reaching across the aisle is a little silly.
jordan holmes
Gotta reach across the aisle.
dan friesen
This is a little bit silly.
jordan holmes
It's about reaching across the aisle and getting to consensus.
dan friesen
Sure.
Except the other side's the devil.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, once we kill the other side, then the other side will be us, and then we'll have consensus.
dan friesen
Sure, I mean, I guess we have heard this as something that's been promoted by Alex in the past, the idea of banning the left, and then having two parties on the right that are...
That maybe we can have a consensus between.
Maybe we disagree on some of the little details, but we, you know, ban the left.
jordan holmes
Ultimately, it's fun because it is kind of like a weird, almost, like, just darker version of what we have now, you know, where it's like, aha!
How dare you ask for a progressive tax?
No taxes!
But we have to pay for some roads.
No roads!
Rhodes, what are you talking about, man?
This is how we vote.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's just sort of arch-libertarian...
jordan holmes
Right, but what's the closest you can get to a stable country that only has people who are like...
5% flat tax and 0% tax.
Nobody who's like, let's have anything reasonable.
Nothing.
Just flat tax or no tax.
dan friesen
And that's only considering issues that relate to tax.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Just taxes.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You bring in any kind of how things run.
jordan holmes
The fucking Protestant Reformation that would go on every five seconds would be insane.
dan friesen
Totally screwed.
So there's only one real guide stick that you can use.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And some might say...
Alex should think it's go with what the Bible says.
He's certainly a man who's pious.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
I don't think he believes that.
alex jones
Well, some parts.
jordan holmes
The Bible's a very difficult book.
dan friesen
He likes one book in it at least.
It's the last one.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But instead of that, the way you should live your life is see what Disney asks you to do and do the opposite.
Apparently, that's how you live.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
It's real simple.
You can study it all day like I do and like Tucker does, and you can know all the nuances and fight it all day, which I want you to do because it's fascinating.
Or you can just say, whatever Disney and whatever Viacom and whatever CNN tells me out of the opposite, you'll do quite well doing that.
tucker carlson
I should say, not to be dark, but human beings, among other unique qualities, are also the only species that commit suicide.
alex jones
You're right.
Well, exactly.
We have that paradox.
I mean, why say this?
What animal would think to commit suicide?
tucker carlson
Right.
alex jones
I mean, lemmings run off a cliff on accident.
Buffalo do it, but they don't do it on purpose.
Very well said.
Exactly.
So we have that heaven and hell.
We have that potential of little G God.
I mean, what science fiction writers like Yules Verne 140 years ago wrote about...
Like rockets that take off, go to the moon, and come back and land again?
Elon Musk has done it.
Whatever we can envision, it's not like Oprah's Secret where it instantly happens, but with the potential of technology and society, and like Elon says, a big enough population, you need billions to build infrastructures that can do anything.
And then once you realize the planet's tiny, and there's hundreds of billions of galaxies that are close, I mean, we can see, then you go, oh my God, we're like embryonic right now.
We're like a tadpole.
And we're not just like, can we turn to a frog?
We turn to a butterfly that turns into a spaceship that turns into a god.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
So do the opposite of what CNN and Viacom and Disney tells you, but you should also do what Elon Musk tells you to do, because he's going to take us to the stars where we become god.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Pretty deeply into Elon, that's for sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, the reason we haven't gone back to the moon too much is just there's really not much to do up there.
tucker carlson
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's really not much going on.
And the amount of technological advancement and money and investment into building a rocket that can leave Earth, land on the moon, and then come back, that couldn't be better put to use doing...
Anything else.
dan friesen
Sure.
And the ability to go to anything other than the moon isn't quite there yet.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So Elon wants to take us to the stars.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Elon wants to make us God, basically, I think.
If you parse through some of what Alex is saying, wants to turn us into a butterfly that turns into a spaceship.
jordan holmes
I don't even want to bother with that.
dan friesen
All right.
But the globalists, they want to go the other direction.
They want to steal our God essence.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
alex jones
And they're trying to tell us, no, no, you're scum, you're ugly, you're racist, kill each other, because the globalists want to extract out of us that essence of infinity that God's given us, that God essence.
We're not God, but we're little g that the first book of the Bible tells us.
They want to extract that and use that for their life extension, their empowerment, their greedy control, instead of all of us sharing this incredible magic metamorphosis we're about to have.
And they're trying to block the birth pains of what we're about to become.
But I can tell them you're going to fail.
unidentified
Thank you.
jordan holmes
I mean, amazing.
tucker carlson
When they go after the interesting people, that's when you know you're in trouble.
I always think that about what they did to you.
Alex Jones, you've greatly improved and enlivened us.
Thank you.
alex jones
Tucker, thanks for having me on that.
tucker carlson
For your wisdom.
Are you kidding?
alex jones
I'm at Infowars.com right now, and we're very close to being shut down.
But just like Tucker, it's going to be okay.
But it's like they say in Empire Strikes Back, Imperial troops entered the base at Infowars, so I'm about to get taken out.
But it's okay.
I love you.
tucker carlson
The best.
dan friesen
The best.
That's a different tone that he strikes on his show.
jordan holmes
I think the moment you're like, when they come for the interesting people, I would be like, I know when I'm being insulted.
I know.
I'm not dumb.
I know when the words you say are mean to me.
But Alex is like, I know.
That would be terrible if they came for the, you're being mean to me!
dan friesen
I'm so interested they had to come after me.
jordan holmes
Insane.
dan friesen
But I think Alex probably, that feeds into his self-perception.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
He doesn't realize that he should be grabbing Tucker and giving him a wedgie right now for insulting him in a way he can't understand.
dan friesen
But that, I think, is maybe a misreading on our part.
Maybe he really does think that Alex is...
So interesting and insightful.
Like, there is a possibility that we have to wrestle with that Tucker just is that guy.
That maybe he isn't being, like, the weaseliest person ever.
Maybe he does agree with Alex.
Maybe he does think that he's super interesting.
Maybe Alex's shit talk about, like, privately Tucker tells him that a demon threw him on the ceiling.
Maybe that's true.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
I'm going to meet you on the it's possible, but I will say that the power of these people is their ability to make you question anything.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Literally anything.
And maybe it's better this way.
I don't care if he's actually this guy or a weasel.
Same response.
unidentified
Wedgie!
dan friesen
Sure.
No, I think that that's sensible.
jordan holmes
Yes, wedgie is sensible.
dan friesen
Well, because it comes back to that Alex saying that he doesn't lie.
It doesn't matter if you're lying.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
You are lying, but it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
That's what you're doing.
You're making it not matter.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is like the secret code.
For all of us, it matters when we lie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For them, it does not.
dan friesen
No, and what does matter is what is behind it, what you're pushing.
That really is.
It's more consequential than your nonsense about, I check myself, if I lie once in a week, I'm terrified about it.
Get bent.
I don't care.
That's not important.
But it's the same thing with Tucker.
Does he actually believe this nonsense that Alex is saying?
Does he actually think he's one of the most insightful people?
Or is he buddying up to him for strategic reasons and trying to poach him over to his network?
Either way, it doesn't matter.
The reality is that he's promoting Alex, he's whitewashing him, and he's selling him to an audience in a way as to push him as a sensible person.
jordan holmes
As an amazing person who knows everything.
dan friesen
And who has prophetic gifts.
unidentified
And can see the fucking future.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so whether he buys it or not, the damage is the same.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's kind of...
I don't know, maybe that's the dark takeaway that I have of this.
jordan holmes
I think it is so difficult because...
Like, you know, for us, we are so in this, right?
So it's easy.
It's a lot easier.
But I think for a regular person, you know, like I think of my ma.
If she lies about just like, I can't make it to this thing because of blah.
She feels, she has a genuine bad feeling of like, I did wrong.
And so the idea for her of a person who...
Not only doesn't experience that, but could lie on the, like, let's get millions of people killed level and not feel bad has to be beyond her ken.
You know, like, that's insane.
Or at the very least, like, obviously she can understand that in the abstract, but at the very least, in, like, the practical application of it every day, of course you're going to believe people more than not, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, you can't live like that.
Like, those people exist.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But they do, and they run everything.
You know?
Like, they're Alex.
They're on your radio.
What are you worried?
How do we do it?
dan friesen
And they are the people who are most prone to be very aggressive about how they're not that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
So they're more convincing because they're lying to you and they don't feel bad about it.
dan friesen
The State of the Union response, you gotta dig deep.
jordan holmes
Yeah, was that what it was?
dan friesen
Gotta choose a guest, and you get Alex Jones, and then this is what happens.
He'll just hold court.
jordan holmes
What was the State of the Union?
Is it okay?
dan friesen
It's been better.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I feel like it should be a lot shorter speech.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not good, folks!
dan friesen
Hey, how's it going?
jordan holmes
End of speech.
dan friesen
Shit's bad, Jack.
jordan holmes
Shit's not going great.
We're working on it.
We are working on it.
dan friesen
So yeah, I don't feel like this was much of a State of the Union response, but it was what you'd get when you invite Alex in, which is pontificating about nonsense, a lot of white fear, a lot of rambling, and then eventually you get to the stars.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, it was what it was.
jordan holmes
It did used to feel, and maybe it's my memory, maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly, but it did feel like, during the Obama years, the response to the State of the Union was generally, and not always, that was the beginning, I think, of when it stopped being a response to the State of the Union and just, like, a crazy person going, evil!
You know, like...
But I do remember there used to be like, here is what the president said in this part of the speech.
I have a rebuttal to that, right?
Did that happen, or was I crazy?
dan friesen
I think it might have, although we're talking about a completely different genre of things.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because this isn't like the Congress response.
unidentified
Right, right, but I mean, that lady was as unhooked.
dan friesen
I saw some tweets.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she was unhooked as Alex.
dan friesen
Shit was bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
State of the Union.
unidentified
Shit was bad.
jordan holmes
It was a good State of the Union address, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think when you bring in Alex to do this, you're not looking for that.
jordan holmes
No, you've guaranteed you're not getting that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that even in the Bush years, you would have gotten the same thing from Alex.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
If you were.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
So I don't know if the times have changed that much.
As it relates to Tucker having Alex on to do this.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
Anyway, still waiting for Owen to be on.
I guess he's going to be on Tucker at some point.
unidentified
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
A lot of second stringers going on, Tucker.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
We got Putin.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex coming back.
Then we'll get right around.
unidentified
Then we'll get Owen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's knowledgefights.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, Leo, DZX Clark.
unidentified
Doop, doop, doop, doop.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah!
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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