#906: January 9, 2008
In this installment, Dan and Jordan shoot back to the past to explore the day that Alex uncovered a nefarious plot to steal the 2008 New Hampshire primary from Ron Paul.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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and enjoy. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I love your world. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge High Dumb Day. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Dan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, bud? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, because I fucked it up on the last episode. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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I forgot. | |
| It was, uh, got the Stackies back going. | ||
| Nice. | ||
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That's stackies.substack.com. | |
| Indeed. | ||
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Uh, they got a post out on Friday, and I fucked up again. | |
| How'd you fuck up this time? | ||
| Well, I always feel like everybody gets so much fucking spam and so much... | ||
| And so there's a drop-down menu when you're publishing a post and it says send to all subscribers through email. | ||
| Which makes sense. | ||
| They're the ones who subscribed. | ||
| It does. | ||
| The idea is they want the email. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes, it's an active choice. | ||
| I unchecked that, though. | ||
| That's the wrong... | ||
| Uncheck! | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I unchecked that, so I'm like, I don't think a lot of people actually knew this happened, or this came out, or were reminded. | ||
| So, I think there's an option where I can send out a, uh, send the post to everybody. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I may end up doing that after the fact. | ||
| I still have been thinking about, should I do that? | ||
| Is that bothering people? | ||
| No! | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of all the things that you do, this is the one time you're like, please send me emails. | ||
| I have to go out of my way to not get emails from people. | ||
| In this case, people are going, please! | ||
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Click! | |
| I'm sure. | ||
| If you subscribe, you probably want to be reminded. | ||
| Anyway, that's there. | ||
| If you want to find it directly, that's where it's at. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| And it's good times. | ||
| And then you'll get an email later. | ||
| Yep, probably. | ||
| Just ignore that. | ||
| From me. | ||
| Hey, hey, hey! | ||
| Are you reading yet? | ||
| Jordan will hack the substack in order to take care of this. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, the wife and I went to a movie theater for the first time in five years. | ||
| I knew this was coming. | ||
| Yeah, and we saw Dune. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yep, it was good. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Yep, moving on. | ||
| You got some spice? | ||
| I did not get any spice. | ||
| There was plenty of spice. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| Did you get the much-memed popcorn bucket? | ||
| No, we went to the Logan Theater, which is infinitely better. | ||
| I don't even know if that popcorn bucket's real. | ||
| I just keep seeing pictures of it on Twitter. | ||
| I don't want any part of any, but I don't even want the internet in my life. | ||
| If I worked at a movie theater, I would replace the bottles of the yellow salt that they put on the popcorn and label it spice. | ||
| Well, yeah, melange, if you will. | ||
| Nah, I don't want to cater to the nerds that much. | ||
| Now you just label it spice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| Hit the broad broad up. | ||
| Like a half-assed version of it. | ||
| And I'd have everybody dress up like worms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know very little about Dune. | ||
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These are the references I have. | |
| I think you've crushed it so far. | ||
| You've nailed it 100%. | ||
| I've heard it's good. | ||
| I've heard the movie's good. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I would recommend, like, watch them both. | ||
| When it comes out, I think you'd actually really enjoy watching them, but only if you watch them both at your leisure. | ||
| You've got about five hours to invest, right? | ||
| Spend a day. | ||
| You know, maybe take an hour off. | ||
| The same way people read Dune. | ||
| Experience the movie. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Be like, ah, this is really boring. | ||
| You're talking about like with an intermission. | ||
| Take a shit, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then watch it while you're doing that and then turn it off and then move on to another thing. | ||
| See, for me, I don't really ever have the drive to watch movies. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I feel like I'd need to go to a theater to watch it. | ||
| It would need to be an appointment thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, maybe I'll watch them down the road. | ||
| Also, it's great. | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| I would watch it in the theater just because it's like big. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| Big old worms. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So you know somebody else who probably watched Dune. | ||
| Alex Jones? | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| But we're not going to be talking about the present day. | ||
| We have an episode to go over from the past, but we'll get down to business on exactly what happened there. | ||
| But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, we can solve the great Chicagoland potato-tomato debate through protoplast fusion creating pomatoes. | ||
| Parentheses, this is a real thing. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Alex Jones is basically a Pinchon character come to life, except his name is too boring. | ||
| It should be like Frothingham Owlglass or something. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, today's Trucker Speed is brought to you by Raid Shadow Legends. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Multiverses Tonight Tom... | ||
| Ooh, Multiverses... | ||
| Ooh, see? | ||
| I keep putting the parentheses on the wrong word. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| Multiverse Tonight's Thomas Townley. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And I don't think I ever applied for a shout-out. | ||
| Just Robert is fine for that. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too. | ||
| I made a Patreon to support YIF games in this podcast. | ||
| Don't tell my wife. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So here's the situation, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've been going back and trying to get all the episodes for the live shows ready. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so through doing that, I end up listening to a bunch of episodes that we don't end up using because they're not good or they're not good for live shows. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But occasionally I come across something that I think is like, oh boy. | ||
| This is something that we should talk about. | ||
| It's just not good for on a stage. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| And so I did find one such episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I thought, okay, this would be an interesting thing to cover. | ||
| It's sort of out of the blue. | ||
| I could use a little break from the Elon Musk saga at the present day. | ||
| Please, dear Lord, yes. | ||
| So I wanted to go to the past, so I decided there were two options. | ||
| We could continue in 2004, which we're not abandoning, but it would be, you know, we could go to the 2004, or we could do this episode that I decided was good, but not for a live episode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You gave me the options. | ||
| I texted you, out of the blue, A or B. Now, here's the thing. | ||
| I chose the other one, and you've decided we're going to go with this one. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I gave you the illusion of choice. | ||
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Because it wasn't about what you actually chose. | |
| It was how I would feel after you made the choice. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So if I chose randomly, incorrectly, and you felt like, oh, we should have done that, that would tip you over the edge into deciding which one to do. | ||
| I wasn't sure which one I wanted to do. | ||
| I wasn't sure if I was really fully into doing this episode. | ||
| So I wanted you to either choose it and see how I felt, or you chose the other one and see if I was disappointed. | ||
| That is fascinating because that suggests that the best way for you to chart a path forward is through regret. | ||
| Uh, duh. | ||
| But that's not possible from an entropic standpoint. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So we need to predict what is going to go wrong for you in the future so you can not do that. | ||
| Trust me, my brain is constantly thinking of the ways things could go wrong. | ||
| I've noticed. | ||
| But anyway, this episode is January 9th, 2008. | ||
| I will not tell you what episode this could have been for the live show. | ||
| I won't tell you. | ||
| I won't tell you why this date was chosen. | ||
| I won't tell you what city. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| Okay, January 8th. | ||
| It might have been for Toronto. | ||
| 2008. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| January 9th, 2008. | ||
| January 9th, 2008. | ||
| We're in a recession. | ||
| The financial crash has happened. | ||
| We're all going crazy. | ||
| None of this is a factor in today's show. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Sorry, I'm just trying to get in the mood. | ||
| No. | ||
| The primary season is upon us, though. | ||
| We're in the 2008 primaries, and kind of at the beginning. | ||
| The Iowa caucus has happened, and we just had the New Hampshire primary. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that will become the focus of this episode. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's madness. | ||
| It's absolute madness. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| We all remember where we were when the New Hampshire primary of 2008 happened. | ||
| I don't think we do. | ||
| I think some people have some memories of it, but they've also forgotten them. | ||
| And now we will reawaken those memories. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Here's where the episode starts off. | ||
| The big national debate for the last two days, I didn't talk about it once yesterday, but everybody wants to talk about it. | ||
| Hillary cried, and they're having debates about was it real? | ||
| The neocons are saying, oh yes, it's real. | ||
| She thought she was going to lose, so she cried. | ||
| This is the woman who goes to Kentucky and goes, how are you? | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
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She comes to Texas and she talks like this. | |
| I mean, they put videos together online of four or five different fake accents. | ||
| She'll go to England and adopt an Atlantic or, you know, Eastern, Buffy, type Thirsten Howell III. | ||
| Of course it's fake. | ||
| Why do you obsess on things like that that don't matter? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Wait, so the point of this is not that she changes her accent. | ||
| No, but he likes doing voices, so I think as, uh... | ||
| Right, so the point is, you shouldn't care about this thing that I just spent quite a while talking about. | ||
| Yeah, the point is that she does this fake shit, like these accents, so obviously she's faking the crying, but also who cares? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this was a pretty big deal in the 2008 primary season in January, when Hillary Clinton didn't cry, but welled up a tiny bit when answering questions. | ||
| At an undecided voters meeting. | ||
| She was asked how she keeps going on the campaign trail, and she said it was hard, but she loved the country, and while answering, she looked like she was expressing some real emotion. | ||
| This was notable because the press liked to characterize Hillary as a heartless robot type, in no small part thanks to the inherent misogyny that ran under media coverage back then and to a lesser extent still. | ||
| If Hillary showed normal human emotion, she would be branded as too emotional to lead on account of her irrational femininity. | ||
| Conversely, if she showed no emotion, she was a calculating, power-hungry machine with ice water in her veins. | ||
| Basically, the media had a negative way to frame her actions, no matter how she acted. | ||
| After this incident in 2008, Hillary pulled out an unexpected win in the New Hampshire primary, largely due to a surge in women voters turning out. | ||
| The polling about this primary was all over the place, and part of the reason was the chaotic beginning to both the campaigns for Obama and for Hillary. | ||
| Hillary was the presumptive favorite before the primary started and was polling way ahead. | ||
| Then, Obama won the Iowa caucuses, and Hillary came in third, behind Obama and John Edward. | ||
| Obama carried that momentum, and Hillary's campaign took a huge hit in people's estimation. | ||
| Polling numbers went way down. | ||
| And this is part of what's in the background of that question she was asked at the voter meeting about how she keeps going. | ||
| It obviously wasn't all about her emotional moment, but she overperformed in New Hampshire. | ||
| And the media talked about it a lot. | ||
| And this is part of the story. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
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Anyway, the media has now made it a story that Hillary was showing emotion and people in Alex's media space have decided to argue whether she was faking it or not. | |
| And like I said, I think Alex just likes doing voices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I think she's a voice actor. | |
| That is true. | ||
| Was Star-Lord supposed to be Star-Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy? | ||
| So close. | ||
| So close. | ||
| That's two million that he tossed away. | ||
| Easily two million. | ||
| So this doesn't really matter, but this is where Alex starts things off. | ||
| The rest of this will not be about Hillary. | ||
| You know, when you're constructing a narrative, I think it's always a good way to start with... | ||
| Stuff that you can throw away. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Disposable. | ||
| This is dipping your toe in the water. | ||
| Make it useless. | ||
| And I like Alex liking voices. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| It's low stakes. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So, Alex, there's this pre-polling of the New Hampshire electorate, and it was off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hillary was supposed to lose. | ||
| She was down a number of points. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then she ended up beating Obama by a couple points. | ||
| And so Alex has decided that the reason is Diable. | ||
| Okay, they're having to spin right now nationally that, okay, Barack Obama was between 10 and 20 points, depending on the poll, in every poll, ahead of Hillary. | ||
| And polls have always been accurate until Diebold gets involved. | ||
| And magically, he was winning in the areas, the 20% of areas where there wasn't Diebold, and then, of course, losing where there was Diebold, just like... | ||
| The individual who's the head of the Democrats right now, who I don't trust, but he wasn't the anointed one. | ||
| He wasn't George Bush. | ||
| He wasn't John Kerry. | ||
| And that, of course, is Howard Dean. | ||
| And he won in New Hampshire as high as 10 points. | ||
| Some areas lower, some areas higher, but on average the news reported 9 to 10 points. | ||
| In the areas that have paper ballots, but lost by 10 points in the areas where it was die-bolt. | ||
| The three-state area, 80-plus percent of the ballots are controlled by one company and one man. | ||
| So if you follow, the argument Alex is making is that the reason the vote didn't match the polling is because of Diebold voting machines, which naturally were used to steal the election. | ||
| This is an early run of some of the same shit Alex did about Dominion and Smartmatic in the 2020 election, so I thought it might be interesting to take a look at this whole election-stealing talk and how it manifested back then. | ||
| The implication of Alex's point, which he'll go on to make repeatedly, is that there is a noticeable difference in the voting patterns in areas that use optical scan technology to count votes and those that do hand counts. | ||
| If this was the extent of Alex's point, then he would be correct. | ||
| Researchers at William& Mary Law School did an analysis of this primary and found that Hillary got 4.3% more of the vote in machine wards, whereas Obama got 6.1% more in hand count wards. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| But it doesn't really tell us anything on its own. | ||
| There are plenty of reasons that this disparity could exist, other than fraud being carried out by voting machines. | ||
| However, Alex doesn't work like that. | ||
| There's the appearance of something that works for him, so he jumps to the conclusion that he was already planning to report, and then he asserts it to the audience as studied fact. | ||
| The William and Mary analysis went a little bit deeper and had this to say, quote, By most of the leading candidates who competed in the 2008 New Hampshire presidential primaries. | ||
| They went on to say, quote, It was a limited sample due to the requirement of finding wards that could be matched, but their analysis found no reason to believe that the method of vote counting was responsible for one candidate doing better in places that counted votes one way as opposed to the other. | ||
| It was a function of wards having different political preferences. | ||
| So anyway, Alex just has something that looks weird, and he's found the easiest and most convenient explanation for it, which just so happens to be the one that's in line with his narratives, and so that's the truth, and we've proven it. | ||
| It's in the white papers. | ||
| It's been declassified. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's fun. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean, that is such a fun, like, when you account for variables, that's how you learn stuff, right? | ||
| And that's cool. | ||
| Everybody likes learning things, and that's applicable and useful, right? | ||
| But whenever you don't, and you just have a bunch of weird-ass data points... | ||
| That's a lot of fun! | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that could be crazy. | ||
| Or it could just be like, you know, there's more money in places and where there's more money, they voted for Hillary more. | ||
| And they could also afford smart betting, you know? | ||
| Vote counting are usually higher population density areas and things like that. | ||
| There are tons of different patterns that track with this. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And to not consider that is so dumb. | ||
| But it is like how we get here is not Alex's fault. | ||
| It's not in a sense in this sense, right? | ||
| Everybody can hear Alex go like, oh, in one there's data machines and in others there's not and there's a difference and everybody can go, well, if those two things are true and there's no other details I need to know, you are correct, sir. | ||
| Yeah, Alex doesn't ask the follow-up question to is there another reason why this could be the case. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he pretends that what he's doing is critical thinking as opposed to what it is, which is the absence of critical thinking. | ||
| This is just taking effect and shoving it into the mold. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's fun. | ||
| No, in a sense, there's so much of our world that is just, like, ultimately coming down to people convincing you you've already critically thought and people trying to convince you to start because it's never happened before. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is running a number of websites at this point. | ||
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Right. | |
| We got Infowars. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| We got Prison Planet. | ||
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Sure. | |
| We got the Jones Report. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a website that he used to have. | ||
| I don't know if it was going in 2008. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He had some weird thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger and how much he hated him. | ||
| Now I'm in. | ||
| That was during the recount. | ||
| Painting show and personal attacks on Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Those are the two things we need. | ||
| And there's another website that is the Ron Paul War Room. | ||
| We got a lot of emails and calls on the Ron Paul War Room last night that we confirmed. | ||
| We called the people and they said, well, we're talking to county officials first before we talk to you. | ||
| Yeah, we went on yourronpaulwarroom.com and posted that our whole family voted at this township in New Hampshire, and it showed zero for Ron Paul. | ||
| But now the township's telling us that don't talk to anybody. | ||
| That's what they always tell you. | ||
| You better go public now. | ||
| And in a whole bunch of townships where they get 300, 400-plus votes, not one Ron Paul... | ||
| Over and over and over and over again. | ||
| So exactly what Bev said look for happened. | ||
| There is no doubt there has been chicanery. | ||
| Chicanery is afoot. | ||
| I like chicanery. | ||
| And people are talking to the clerks and then the clerks are like, don't snitch. | ||
| Don't snitch. | ||
| Don't tell anybody. | ||
| If you see one Ron Paul vote. | ||
| Don't snitch. | ||
| Don't snitch. | ||
| So at this point in time, Alex is running a website called the Ron Paul Wool Room. | ||
| It's a pretty standard, like, WordPress blog of the time, except that users could register and then post whatever they wanted, so there's a bunch of different authors posting various gripes about how too few people like Ron Paul. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Seems like a number of them are pretty defensive about the racist stuff he published in his newsletter, too, which makes sense. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| Apparently someone posted on there about how Paul got screwed out of some votes in a city in New Hampshire, so Alex is all over the story. | ||
| This relates to a single town called Sutton, which is going to factor heavily into this episode. | ||
| And Alex is going to hinge an elaborate conspiracy on this one town. | ||
| How many people live in Sutton? | ||
| It's not tiny, but it's not huge also. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| But it's small. | ||
| It's a small town. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What happened in Sutton was that a family of folks on the Ron Paul war room noticed that they had voted for Paul, but in the media, it was reported that he got zero votes in that town. | ||
| There was an administrative error where the clerk had sent the media the wrong number, which was corrected before the clerk even got to work the next day. | ||
| It was a tiny bit of human error, but because it was related to Ron Paul, whose most ardent supporters are weirdo conspiracists, this became evidence that the whole election was being stolen to prevent Ron Paul from easily winning, which he would do if people didn't just get in the way. | ||
| We'll get into this more as the episode goes along, but that's what this is about. | ||
| An administrative error that was quickly corrected in a town where Ron Paul... | ||
| We got 31 out of 423 votes cast in the GOP primary. | ||
| When Alex mentions Bev there, he's talking about Bev Harris, who's a noted crusader against electronic voting and enthusiastic participant in what Alex is gearing up to do in this episode. | ||
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Right. | |
| She is basically a Ron Paul advocate more than she is an expert in anything. | ||
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Good. | |
| It is a mess. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I wish... | ||
| And if I'm given the opportunity to recreate the universe, I don't know if I will be, but if I'm given the opportunity, I will give a lot more weight to people when they say stuff like, can't we just not with this? | ||
| That should be almost a sacrosanct. | ||
| As a species, we should all hold in highest regard if somebody says, can we just not do this? | ||
| And it should count for these situations. | ||
| Oh, Ron Paul didn't get two votes? | ||
| Can we please just not do this? | ||
| Oh, I thought you meant with this podcast. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Can we please just not do Ron Paul? | ||
| I understand. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| We'll fix it. | ||
| We'll fix it later, but can we please just not be mad about it? | ||
| But you know what's interesting? | ||
| At this point, it's unclear the extent to which Ron Paul's actual campaign... | ||
| Even knew about it? | ||
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Or was activated about it, or was mad... | |
| Or was campaigning in New Hampshire at all. | ||
| They were doing some campaigning. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Ron Paul wanted this one. | ||
| But yeah, I would say they shouldn't. | ||
| But the incentive is very high for Alex. | ||
| It's very high. | ||
| So we got Bev Harris coming in. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And she and Alex are going to discuss in very responsible tones this election administrative error. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Let's go to Bev Harris. | ||
| Bev, break down exactly what we've seen develop here. | ||
| Oh boy, I just got off the phone with the town of Sutton. | ||
| Ron Paul got 31 votes, not zero. | ||
| I have it confirmed from the town clerk. | ||
| I asked her why the discrepancy, and she said they simply failed to put the right number on the form they sent to the media. | ||
| Sure, it's accidental. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| This is unacceptable. | ||
| Shut it down! | ||
| The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| Wait, classic from who? | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| This is how they do it. | ||
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What? | |
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Everyone does it. | ||
| But like one example. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| Sutton, New Hampshire. | ||
| Oh, never mind. | ||
| You've got me. | ||
| Based on Bev's reporting and based on everything else you can tell here, all that happened was that the wrong number was conveyed to the media. | ||
| There's no reason to jump to the conclusion that these 31 votes were misreported in terms of official vote tallies, but that's not a detail that's getting any attention here. | ||
| All we know is that someone didn't send the right number to the media. | ||
| Well, it's not because... | ||
| Listen, he didn't win the New Hampshire primary and we knew we wouldn't. | ||
| But if the media reports that he got zero votes, then no. | ||
| Nobody's going to vote for him in the next primary. | ||
| But if they report, oh, he got 31 from Sutton? | ||
| That's momentum we can take! | ||
| You know the old expression, as goes Sutton. | ||
| As goes Sutton! | ||
| 1,800 people in 2024. | ||
| That's the size of the town. | ||
| I mean, I do get that on some level. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That, like, if you're gonna just say, across the board, wipe his votes in order to demotivate the base or something. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Taking 31 out of Sutton is not, it doesn't have the same, like, doesn't really have the oomph. | ||
| That's, you know, that's what we really need. | ||
| It truly is like an absolutely 100% real conspiracy that we all know that sounds as ridiculous and movie-like as we can imagine, but they lose by 31 votes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like they forgot to steal them from Sutton. | ||
| Remember that movie Swing Vote? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| 100% true evil conspiracy that just fucking forgot to steal Sutton's votes. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Well, we were going to rule the world or whatever, but now I guess Obama's going to president. | ||
| Now Ron Paul's in office. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| What did we do? | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| So all we really know here is that the wrong number was reported to the press, and then it was corrected quickly. | ||
| But in the meantime, someone who voted for Ron Paul noticed that discrepancy and alerted Alex and his associates about it. | ||
| You get the strong sense that Alex is about to overreact about this. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| And yeah, you're right. | ||
| He is. | ||
| So Alex wants the details. | ||
| How are there details? | ||
| Bev, tell me everything. | ||
| What's the evil plan? | ||
| Bev, this is huge breaking news. | ||
| Stop, stop. | ||
| This is huge breaking news. | ||
| Again, tell everybody listening the name of the township. | ||
| This is just one. | ||
| Within an hour, give us all the names. | ||
| This is huge breaking news. | ||
| It's the town of Sutton. | ||
| Now, remember, they don't do counties in New Hampshire. | ||
| It's all done by town. | ||
| Township of Sutton. | ||
| It's just town. | ||
| It's the town of Sutton, S-U-T-T-O-N. | ||
| And I just got off the phone with Jennifer Call, who is the town clerk, and she confirmed that Ron Paul actually did get 31 votes, not zero. | ||
| Now, understand something. | ||
| This is more votes than he got or was reported to have gotten in almost every place. | ||
| Yeah, the reason that Ron Paul got less votes everywhere is because he's very not popular. | ||
| He's an old asshole who has a bit of a racist past and sports policies that are extremely far to the right for most voters. | ||
| He's won over a sliver of very vocal and aggressive folks on the left and right with his cool opposition to drug laws and his anti-war stance. | ||
| So you see this appearance of popularity online, but in the real world, he is not popular. | ||
| And it makes sense that he would have little... | ||
| Like, it makes sense. | ||
| Like, Sutton would have 30 people who love Ron Paul. | ||
| They probably hang out together. | ||
| They go bowling. | ||
| Like, these are a group of people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| You notice in there that Bev gave out this town clerk's name, which is interesting, because this all led to an awful outcome for this woman. | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
| As reported in the Concord Monitor, Jennifer Call was hit with a flood of harassment right around the time that this episode was airing. | ||
| From the article, quote, The assault picked up after lunch. | ||
| Paul supporters began phoning Call claiming to be from the media. | ||
| Others just yelled, saying that she'd committed treason, fraud. | ||
| One person said she should be shot. | ||
| This all had a very severe effect on her. | ||
| Again, from the article. | ||
| Quote, She went home and locked her doors. | ||
| She called her mother in North Carolina. | ||
| She cried. | ||
| The calls kept coming. | ||
| She unhooked her answering machine and requested an unlisted number. | ||
| I was drained emotionally and physically, Call said. | ||
| That's when I really started to freak out. | ||
| Thursday it hit me that most of these people are not rational. | ||
| That's when I became scared. | ||
| It's like they were calling her home phone and harassing her. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| This harassment picked up around lunch because that's when Alex's show aired. | ||
| When he and Bev Harris put a target on her. | ||
| Right. | ||
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It's an hour later in New Hampshire, so this lines up almost perfectly. | |
| And another detail stood out from her telling of the story in the Concord Monitor. | ||
| Quote, Talking about this at this immediate time? | ||
| Maybe one? | ||
| It seems like there's a small pool from which to... | ||
| And I think that this is kind of poorly worded. | ||
| I don't think that she meant that Alex called her. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One person said he was on a nationally radio... | ||
| One person who was talking to her about the thing said he heard through the national radio. | ||
| I assume that that's what is being communicated. | ||
| I understood, yeah. | ||
| So it doesn't get much clearer cut than this. | ||
| Alex needed a narrative to distract away from how unpopular Ron Paul is so he decided to jump on this administrative error to use it as proof of voter fraud. | ||
| In the process he put a real human in the crosshairs as a person who's to blame for screwing over Paul and she had to pay the real consequences of his actions. | ||
| This dynamic exists in a lot of Alex's stories but it's very often the case that the harm that's done is too obscure to end up being documented or he's vague enough to have plausible deniability that his actions didn't lead to this harassment. | ||
| What happened to Jennifer Call happened to a lot of people because of Alex. | ||
| It's just that this one is pretty direct. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is strange that there's no, like, there's nothing to learn other than sometimes in this life, in our society, yours will just get exploded for no reason. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Just no rhyme, no reason. | ||
| Your life has just exploded today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a lot of times it's like, you know, like if you look at it in this case, it's someone who's just going about their business and someone else had a different agenda and you were collateral damage to it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And that's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, the idea of like... | ||
| Acknowledging that to a lot of the world your personhood is non-existent. | ||
| That's difficult. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's tough because you feel like you're a person most of the time. | ||
| Yeah, your experience is generally of... | ||
| Being a person, yeah. | ||
| So Bev gives out her name again and makes some accusations. | ||
| We caught this because our listeners at ronpaulwarroom.com, an entire family, the parents, the out-of-the-home 20-something-year-old children, all five of them went down to vote, and then they watched the results, and it said zero, baby, and now you called the town clerk. | ||
| Give us her name again. | ||
| Spell it. | ||
| Jennifer. | ||
| Call, C-A-L-L, just like telephone call. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Why is that unbelievable? | ||
| The way that a hand count can be rigged is, and here's what they're doing in New Hampshire, they have the people are counting everything in public real nice, they fill out a form in public real nice, and then they transfer it to another form, and they call that a summary sheet, and that's the one they send in. | ||
| And so what happened is she said they did not transpose the number correctly and put zero instead of 31. That is unacceptable as an answer. | ||
| So they're very clearly directing the audience to miss call, and they're loading them up with the accusation that whatever mistake her office made was an intentional act to rig the primary against Ron Paul. | ||
| This is just overall, top to bottom, unacceptable behavior from both of them. | ||
| And Bev is just wrong. | ||
| She says that the form that Call sent out had a zero for Ron Paul, but it didn't. | ||
| From the Concord Monitor article, quote, the slot next to Paul's name on the original return sheet said 31, but a space on Call's return next to Paul's name remained blank. | ||
| She didn't write in a zero. | ||
| She forgot to enter a number. | ||
| I know that sounds like splitting hairs, but it's not. | ||
| Because writing in a zero implies some level of intent. | ||
| Maybe you actually don't have any intent, but you could. | ||
| It looks like you had to take an action. | ||
| Whereas it's much easier to understand something being left blank as being an accident. | ||
| Alex and Bev are incentivized to fudge whatever details they can to make this seem more like voter fraud because their candidate sucks and they can't accept that. | ||
| Ruins their whole thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh no, our guy sucks. | ||
| Yeah, she could have hit tab twice, you know, on the spreadsheet, and then missed the cell, and then 31 just got disappeared. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| Or if it's just by hand, it's easy to just pass over it. | ||
| And not for nothing, it got corrected quickly, and... | ||
| There's no indication this went anywhere other than the media. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I think it is a testament to Alex's evil and power that it's like, God, do we really have to? | ||
| We do! | ||
| We have to get into the fucking weeds on 31 assholes who voted for Ron fucking Paul in a collection where he lost by several hundred million. | ||
| Several hundred million is how much Ron Paul lost by, and we're mad about 31 votes! | ||
| Yeah, the other thing that is made, the point that's made in these articles from around that time that I think is really true is, like, you can fuck up like this when it's Giuliani. | ||
| You can fuck up like this if it's, you know, Romney. | ||
| But you cannot fuck up like this with Ron Paul. | ||
| His audience is all conspiracy theorists. | ||
| They're all paranoid weirdos. | ||
| Not all, but you know what I mean. | ||
| You have to be right every time, or else they're going to exploit the fuck out of it. | ||
| And that's what you're seeing here. | ||
| So Alex, obviously, this is grounds for a recount. | ||
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We've got to do a fucking recount. | |
| That is unbelievable. | ||
| Bev Harris, what needs to happen? | ||
| I think they need to throw all the results out now and have a recount, at least in the 20%. | ||
| Look, it's bad, because let me tell you what else. | ||
| If they have a recount, it will cost Ron Paul about $67,000, and there is a problem with chain of custody. | ||
| I'm sorry, I've got another phone ringing, but I'm going to ignore it. | ||
| Sorry, it's coming over your line if it is. | ||
| No, it may be breaking news. | ||
| Pick it up. | ||
| Pick it up. | ||
| No, no, it's okay. | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| Because I've been getting all kinds of things from all kinds of citizens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, now, in New Hampshire, we are not comfortable with the chain of custody for the recount ballots. | ||
| So... | ||
| It's a toss-up whether he should spend $67,000 to get a recount. | ||
| He should, because it'll draw a national attention to the cheating, and then if they cheat the recount, we catch them again, Bev. | ||
| They gotta do it. | ||
| Yeah, if they do it, they have to do it statewide, because if you do a spot-check recount, it can be gamed very easily. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Okay, so ironically, Alex would end up getting that recount that he wanted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His audience helped raise the money for the Paul campaign, and Dennis Kucinich from the Democrat side also joined in for the call for the recount, and it went down. | ||
| In the GOP primary, the only result of the recount was they found one more vote for Romney. | ||
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Hey! | |
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is kind of giving up the game there a little bit. | ||
| He wants a recount because it would get national attention. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has to know deep down that Ron Paul sucks and that a recount isn't going to turn up a bunch of votes for him, but this is a great opportunity to grandstand, and not for nothing, all attention for Ron Paul is positive for him. | ||
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Yep. | |
| They are entwined in a way that, you know, is... | ||
| Unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, because Ron Paul doesn't get votes so much as both of them get an advertising base. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, Ron Paul, I think, has a gold thing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I mean, yeah, you know, it's like you're not going to accrue enough votes to do a thing. | ||
| But the more people you have who would vote for you is the more people who are going to listen to Alex's show and buy his stuff. | ||
| And your stuff. | ||
| That's not fully true. | ||
| It is nationally true. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But, you know, Ron Paul could get elected to the House of Representatives. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He could locally create enough of a base to get into an office. | ||
| But in terms of national... | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| It is just advertising. | ||
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Right. | |
| When Alex wants national attention for Ron Paul, he's looking for national attention for Alex. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he's fighting the good fight. | ||
| That's not why. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| So, Paul, Ron Paul. | ||
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What about him? | |
| He got worse results from the machine areas. | ||
| So I put together a spreadsheet and put it on the website for everyone to use to put their own results into, which outlined every one of the 250 New Hampshire townships and which voting system they used. | ||
| And there was also a discrepancy. | ||
| The voting machines gave him worse results than the hand counts. | ||
| That's the same thing with Howard Dean, wasn't it? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| And by the way, the discrepancy there... | ||
| They gave Ron Paul about 2.5% worse results than the hand count, and they gave Hillary 5% better results than the hand count. | ||
| Which is exactly what she beat Barack Obama at. | ||
| So Alex is off there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Glenn beat Obama by about 2.6%. | ||
| He's saying that her lead matches the machine count thing because he's trying to say that the machine stole the election for Hillary. | ||
| This is all very confusing because the marquee example that they have here is from Sutton, which was hand counted. | ||
| So this all seems like a big mess. | ||
| There's weird machine fraud conspiracies going on here, but the specific you have is a hand count. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| Now, bigger picture, the voting machines didn't give Ron Paul worse results than hand counts. | ||
| He happened to do worse in areas that used voting machines, most likely because they were the cities and larger population centers. | ||
| In more rural areas, you're more likely to have towns that use hand counting, and you're more likely to find fringe-ass libertarian Paul fans. | ||
| The possibility that there could be another explanation for the hand count towns versus machine tally towns is never even considered. | ||
| It's just accepted, wholly unsupported and unproven, as proof that the globalists are screwing over Ron Paul using the machines. | ||
| But then again, Sutton is hand-counted, so the plot is muddy. | ||
| It's very muddy. | ||
| But you should just know that everything is fucked. | ||
| You know, here's the fun thing, though, I will say about these people, right? | ||
| And this is the hard thing, like, so... | ||
| With the left. | ||
| You know, with Howard Dean and that stuff. | ||
| Occam's razor wins out, right? | ||
| Like, this country hates the left. | ||
| It always has. | ||
| It's always going to. | ||
| It hates us, right? | ||
| So that's fine. | ||
| It's not a conspiracy. | ||
| They just hate it, right? | ||
| But with the far right and with the JBS guys, it's not the same. | ||
| Because they've had so much power in the United States for so long. | ||
| So it makes sense for them a little bit to be like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We could probably just take it. | ||
| Like, that's how they've done it. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| And I think that even beyond that or behind that, there is the certainty of being right. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Someone like Alex has this position that, like, obviously Ron Paul is right about everything, and everybody likes him because he's right about everything. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| So these numbers showing terrible support for him can't possibly be right. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| And I think that has so much to do with how we view our own history, like moving backwards. | ||
| And not just Americans, but the human race, how we do it. | ||
| People can't understand that it's far more reasonable for Ron Paul in the past. | ||
| Because we have to remember that we're continually losing voting electorate as we go backwards. | ||
| As we go back and back and back, you say, oh, Ron Paul's only voter base was white men. | ||
| And you're like, ha ha, he ran this country for 150 years. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So that's reasonable. | ||
| Sure, but you have to pump the brakes because Ron Paul isn't doing any of this stuff. | ||
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No. | |
| This is Alex on Ron Paul's behalf. | ||
| True. | ||
| So, I mean, granted, he does get a recount in New Hampshire. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But why not? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, yeah, go for it. | ||
| If Alex's fans are fundraising it, why not? | ||
| Honestly, 67K isn't even that much! | ||
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No. | |
| And it's not that much work. | ||
| I'm sure somebody got an extra day. | ||
| Maybe there's some OT involved. | ||
| It's probably for the best. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But all of the statements and all of the energy and the feeling that, you know, it's easy to ascribe to the Paul... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Is really coming out of Alex as a de facto mouthpiece for them. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So, you know, who's to say how much they would, you know, absolutely sign off on? | ||
| Maybe a lot. | ||
| Maybe most. | ||
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Who knows? | |
| You'll see. | ||
| So Bev has some more breaking news for Alex. | ||
| I will give you some more breaking news. | ||
| I haven't even put this on my website yet. | ||
| How's down to Grand Prix? | ||
| I have a report coming to me. | ||
| Now, yesterday we broke the story about this one sole source provider programming every voting machine in New Hampshire. | ||
| You also broke the news that Hillary was kicking Barack Obama and Ron Paul, specifically poll watchers, out. | ||
| That was widely reported on the Internet. | ||
| I was not able to confirm that because what do you think citizens need to learn? | ||
| Well, let me stop you. | ||
| The Boston Globe did report it. | ||
| The Boston Globe did report it. | ||
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Good, good. | |
| Okay, good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that clip reveals a weird instinct that Alex has. | ||
| Bev says that she has exclusive news to break, and instead of just letting her talk, he jumps in and tries to guess what the news is, referring to something that she allegedly posted on her website prior, but she said that she hasn't even posted about this thing yet, so that can't be what it is. | ||
| Then Alex comes up with this story about Hillary kicking Ron Paul poll watchers out, which Bev says is just a rumor she can't substantiate, and Alex shoots back that it was in the Boston Globe. | ||
| To that I say, was it really? | ||
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Was it? | |
| I think it wasn't. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But Bev understands the game. | ||
| Alex wants this narrative put forth. | ||
| She tried to protest since she can't back up the claim, and Alex has asserted his dominance, indicating that he's not gonna let this go, and so she demurs. | ||
| It's like, oh, good. | ||
| Also, she's off the hook. | ||
| Like, it's not her making any claims. | ||
| Yeah, hey, if Alex wants to claim that the Boston Globe made something up on his show... | ||
| I've said my piece that I can't corroborate it, so whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, done and done. | ||
| This is hardly the first time that she's talked to Alex, though, so I have no doubt that she understands that when Alex says that something was reported in some outlet, there's no reason to assume it actually was. | ||
| But when he says something like that, you know he's not gonna budge. | ||
| So you might as well just let him have his way, move forward. | ||
| And like you said, there's no personal loss that if it turns out to not... | ||
| I got no blood in this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, she does have some big news, though, that Alex derailed. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You ready for this? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I don't think you are. | ||
| I actually agree. | ||
| I think you need to sit down. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ready for this? | ||
| Sit down. | ||
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Okay, go ahead. | |
| LHS Associates, the firm that programmed every voting machine in New Hampshire, I have just gotten a call and I'm waiting to fax... | ||
| Confirmation. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That one of the key people there has a criminal record. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Convicted cocaine trafficker. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| You know, and with not just that, but with complaints to the Attorney General already for election-related complaints. | ||
| Just like they always catch Diebold and others with convicted hackers. | ||
| I mean, how many times, Bev, have we caught hardcore crooks working inside the elections at key places? | ||
| So that's Bev's big bombshell here. | ||
| And you can hear that Alex is getting a giddiness from both of them, really. | ||
| And Alex is scandalized by this news. | ||
| So LHS is the company that services many of the vote-counting machines in New Hampshire and a few other states in the Northeast. | ||
| Bev had gotten a tip that someone there was arrested as a cocaine trafficker. | ||
| And this is very relevant news, considering that the big scandal they're supposed to be covering is that Ron Paul got screwed over by a hand count. | ||
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Right. | |
| This all traces back to someone named Ken Hajar, who people are saying was arrested for drug possession and intent to distribute. | ||
| I was able to find a blog post on this on a website called Op-Ed News from January 9th, but I think that it's piggybacking on Bev's coverage because it was posted at 9.30pm, which is after this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| On this blog, there's a link to what appears to be a court document that very well may be real, reflecting that Ken Hajar pled guilty to an offense listed as, quote, sale slash CND. | ||
| In September 1987. | ||
| That's 21 years before this episode was recorded. | ||
| It's unclear what the precise crime was, but it does appear that it may have been something with drugs, since I think CND stands for Commission on Narcotic Drugs. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly, but if you search for that specific charge, all you get is other blogs talking about Ken Hajar. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I've found a ton of blogs talking shit about this, and none of them specify what this means. | ||
| But we do know that. | ||
| According to this document, he was sent... | ||
| In 87. In 87. In 87, if he had any crack on him. | ||
| He'd be in jail forever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
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But Coke. | |
| So he's got Coke, so we know he's white. | ||
| I have no idea about this guy. | ||
| I don't know anything about him except for he was a salesperson for this company. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And he got arrested in 87. Oh, my God. | ||
| So now there's another problem here, which is that the person who works at LHS is named Ken Hajar, but this indictment is for someone named Kananth Hajar. | ||
| It's hard to tell if this is a typo or if this is actually a different person or if that's what Ken's short for. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's entirely possible. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I can't find any indication either way. | ||
| I tend to think it is a typo if it's a real document, Full name is. | ||
| That is entirely possible. | ||
| But more importantly, I don't really care. | ||
| I don't think a minor drug arrest 21 years in the past precludes someone from being able to be employed by a company that provides support for elections. | ||
| A further point is that one of the other sources cited in the op-ed news article claims that Hajar doesn't even work on New Hampshire elections with LHS, so this seems entirely irrelevant. | ||
| Even more to the point, he's in sales and marketing with the company. | ||
| He's not even the person, like, going around and servicing these machines. | ||
| This is just people grasping at straws, trying to use one person's supposed criminal record to paint an entire company as criminal. | ||
| And it's pathetic, because at this point, Alex is supposed to be this libertarian opposing drug laws. | ||
| He's making a big deal out of a pissant drug arrest 21 years in the past just because it's convenient for him. | ||
| This clip is so much like... | ||
| This is the addict, though. | ||
| Like, this is the addiction part. | ||
| That feeling that they just... | ||
| When Alex said, oh, man. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Whatever he mumbled in the background. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Oh, I knew. | ||
| You know, like, that is that brain chemical giving you everything that you want. | ||
| That is so much that dragon. | ||
| You know, like, we watched the documentary about... | ||
| American Conspiracy, Danny Casalero, that whole thing. | ||
| And it is so much like, oh, you get so addicted to that feeling. | ||
| It's such a rush over and over and over again that you're willing to give up everything else for it. | ||
| You find whatever you're looking for behind every door. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So you know what I'm looking for behind a door? | ||
| Beth? | ||
| Dev? | ||
| The Highwayman. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I was a highway man along the coach road It's been a while. | ||
| Red alert. | ||
| Red alert, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Coast to coast. | ||
| Border to border. | ||
| I don't care if you're in Germany, in China, in Mexico. | ||
| In the Netherlands, in Africa, you're listening right now. | ||
| The evidence of the fraud. | ||
| Spread the word everywhere. | ||
| It's got to go supernova on the web. | ||
| If you're in Germany, you've got to care about this. | ||
| That's so fucking lootly. | ||
| Sutton, New Hampshire, baby. | ||
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That's ground zero for this is our war. | |
| This is Fort Sumpter. | ||
| Sumpter. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| You're in Australia. | ||
| This matters to you. | ||
| You're in Brazil. | ||
| This matters to you. | ||
| Your water may flush the other direction, but not a democracy! | ||
| I don't think it matters to people in Germany. | ||
| It's a little bit dramatic. | ||
| But, nice to hear the highwayman again. | ||
| It is always nice. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| So Alex reports this story, re-reports it, and embellishes a bit of details along the way. | ||
| Last night we got the tip at ronpaulwarrim.com. | ||
| We talked to the family this morning. | ||
| And they're saying, well, the county officials are telling us wait and only talk to them. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, the good news is Bev Harris called that very same township. | ||
| They have towns, not counties there, but it's set up in the same system, the city clerk. | ||
| And she said to Bev right before airtime that yes, and this is the big news, yes, 30-plus votes in that township for Paul. | ||
| Now, that's just what they're saying. | ||
| See, because they've got all these people coming forward saying, hey, I voted. | ||
| It might even be bigger. | ||
| How do you, Bev? | ||
| Accidentally... | ||
| Because I want to go back to this, then into the cocaine trafficker, and boy, this is... | ||
| I just got the backside secret scoop because I can be trusted. | ||
| We can't say that much, but this is just... | ||
| It's always cocaine dealers. | ||
| That's who runs the government. | ||
| That's who runs America. | ||
| But it's black ops, folks. | ||
| So you can see how Alex has taken this one thing, and now he's speculating wildly that it's probably because there's actually more votes than even we know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's insisting on saying 30-plus because it's fun, because it's plus one. | ||
| I was literally just thinking, really, you're not going to 30 plus 31 on me. | ||
| Are you really going to do that? | ||
| He's going to do it, yeah. | ||
| And you can see how Alex is working on incorporating the story about the cocaine dealer into this developing narrative. | ||
| This is a great piece to have in play because you can weave in ideas about the CIA running the drug trade, so maybe this guy's working for the CIA. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I've seen some blogs suggesting that that's why he got a deferred sentence for his arrest, which is a convenient way for them to explain away this light sentence. | ||
| It's always nice. | ||
| For this to work as part of the conspiracy, he needs to have been moving tons of cocaine, and the punishment doesn't fit that. | ||
| So there needs to be another layer of conspiracy added on top to make sure all the details fit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, yeah, the narrative is taking shape. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You can definitely see that. | ||
| And now it's time to build. | ||
| Get out your Legos. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Where are we going with this? | ||
| One thing I would encourage your listeners to do is to go to the website... | ||
| Or go to whatever website has these results. | ||
| And just look at how many little townships in New Hampshire even have as many as 31 votes for Ron Paul. | ||
| And that's the point. | ||
| You wonder how much he really got. | ||
| And by the way, there are a bunch of townships that show zero, and you'll have hundreds and hundreds of votes, and he gets zero. | ||
| Even if he's at 8%, then he should get 8 out of 100 instead of 0 out of 300, 500, 600. | ||
| Folks, this stinks absolutely to the gates of heaven. | ||
| So they did a recount, and it turns out Ron Paul just sucks. | ||
| This is all just completely unfounded speculation that Alex and Bev are engaging in. | ||
| They have one example of an administrative error. | ||
| From that jumping off point, they're taking all of the places where Paul performed poorly and saying the same thing must have happened here because it's all a conspiracy against Ron Paul. | ||
| This is the kind of thing you should expect to see from Alex. | ||
| Just utter garbage narrative building meant to push his fake reality onto the audience presented as factual research truth. | ||
| What makes me mad about this whole interview is Bev is going on about how she only reports what she can prove and she's a stickler for details, but here she is saying that Ron Paul must have gotten more votes in these towns where he performed poorly. | ||
| This is something that I want to point out about these folks. | ||
| For them, being a stickler for the details or only reporting what I can prove, that isn't an actual statement of Paul. | ||
| It's a description of their brand. | ||
| She markets herself as someone who's careful about this stuff, so people will take it more seriously when she says shit like, imagine how many more votes Ron Paul got. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It is so much like a, just, the more weight you put on a, oh, I won't say that, means the more power you get when you say, bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a branding exercise more than it is anything else. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a reality thing, yeah. | ||
| So let's keep building. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Another thing to look for as you're looking at the detail results is look in the ones where they say other votes. | ||
| In the Democratic column, I noticed that the town of Manchester reported 570 votes of other. | ||
| What is 570 people voting for other? | ||
| Guaranteed it's Ron Paul and Barack Obama. | ||
| They have to shift it from bin to bin so it matches the number of people who showed up. | ||
| Are you an idiot? | ||
| I think maybe. | ||
| A lot of places probably only list the top three or four vote-getters, and that leaves a ton of votes that end up getting summed up as, quote, other. | ||
| For example, at least 20 people got more than 10 votes in the Democratic primary, and that's not even counting the 2,517 votes for write-in candidates. | ||
| 50 bucks says one of them is Homer Simpson. | ||
| I would bet. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you look at the New York Times coverage of the results, there are eight candidates listed. | ||
| Then the rest of the others are lumped in as other. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that there's anything being hidden. | ||
| Manchester is the most populous city in New Hampshire, so you can easily understand how there are more people there, so more opportunities for folks to vote for less successful candidates. | ||
| So just for fun, I was able to find the itemized breakdown of votes by town for the Democratic primary. | ||
| It's very easy to find 500 votes that would go into the other category in Manchester. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There were 192 votes for Dennis Kucinich alone. | ||
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Hey! | |
| There were 56 for Biden, 45 for Mike Gravel, 32 for Chris Dodd. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| You can vote for Republicans in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It doesn't end up affecting the Republican primary, but you can still vote for him. | ||
| So John McCain got 144 votes. | ||
| That'll teach him. | ||
| Romney got 101, and Ron Paul got 38. Did better in the Democratic... | ||
| Well, actually, no, I'm sorry. | ||
| That's a different city. | ||
| That's what I was going to say. | ||
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I understand what you're saying, but yes, I'm with you. | |
| So these folks that I just listed combined for 608 votes in the town of Manchester, all votes that likely would have been neatly compiled into the other category. | ||
| This isn't serious behavior that Bev is displaying here. | ||
| If she's someone who has any familiarity with elections, she would know that that's what's going on, not that they're secreting away votes for Ron Paul in the other category. | ||
| She's not a sincere actor in this information space. | ||
| She's clearly someone who's an advocate for Ron Paul, pretending to just be, I can only report what I can prove. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| That is pre-Body McBowface levels of the internet, well, just name shit kind of stuff, though. | ||
| So, I mean, when you read that list of candidates, it is kind of funny how many of them are real people. | ||
| In retrospect, because now if you're looking at like... | ||
| Top vote-getters for non-major candidates. | ||
| It is going to be, like, fucking Furiosa. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I think you probably would find a lot of that in the one or two vote-getters. | ||
| Right, in 2008. | ||
| Now, what's interesting in 2008, though, is there's also, like, a couple people who were, like, listed. | ||
| And they're real people, but I have no idea who they are. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So there's some people who time has just forgotten. | ||
| Or it's just a guy who is like, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to get my message out. | ||
| I wish Ron Paul was someone who I looked at the name and thought, who is that? | ||
| But unfortunately, that's not where we live. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| So Alex wants Bev to demand the election be thrown out. | ||
| But people really respect you, so I need you to specifically say, what is it when they admit they gave him zero and it's 31? | ||
| That election's thrown out right there. | ||
| That election is... | ||
| Look, they're always going to say it was an error. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| When someone embezzles money, they always have a plausible excuse for how this and that happened. | ||
| It is not acceptable. | ||
| What is their job? | ||
| They have one job on election night, and that is to resolve numbers for, what, 12 candidates? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Folks, you've got 350-something votes in the town, and 31 of them are for Ron Paul, but they can't get that on the paper. | ||
| If Bev thinks that all the town clerk had to do on the night of the primary is that, then she's a fucking idiot. | ||
| She's minimizing the amount of responsibilities this person had in order to make it seem like there was clearly a conspiracy going on here, as opposed to an understandable administrative error. | ||
| Bev has literally zero evidence that there's anything nefarious going on, but that's the line that she's going with, because she's not an expert, she's an advocate. | ||
| And Alex has some basic details wrong. | ||
| He's saying there were 350-something votes in the town, when there's actually 971. | ||
| 423 of them were in the Republican primary, but that town held primaries for both parties on the same day. | ||
| Alex is fudging the numbers a little bit to make it look like the clerk had less to do that night and to increase the proportion of votes that Ron Paul got. | ||
| It's sloppy work all around, but I don't expect anything more. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So, I mean, the problem here, of course, is that even if you are 100% correct, even if this, like... | ||
| percentage total of Alex's which is closer to 10% so we'll we'll leave aside the 3% and we'll move it closer to 10% It's not a demographically representative place, but fuck it. | ||
| We'll say it is. | ||
| It's not fraud or anything like that, but fuck it. | ||
| Let's get rid of all anything. | ||
| Ron Paul loses by 100 million fucking votes! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just to be clear on that. | ||
| Just to be clear on all of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So look, if you missed five votes out of that 31, that's understandable. | ||
| How is that any more or less understandable than 30? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But Alex says so, and I think he immediately realizes. | ||
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That's stupid. | |
| Yeah, that makes no sense. | ||
| Look, if they missed five out of 31, it could be believable. | ||
| But all of them bad? | ||
| Right. | ||
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And you have to actually write a circle, a zero. | |
| In the spot. | ||
| You know, it doesn't matter to me if it's plausible. | ||
| I think we have to get to the point where we stop accepting excuses. | ||
| What about these other towns? | ||
| I guarantee you the other places he got zero, he didn't get zero. | ||
| And I guarantee you those towns where it says 500 and something other, I bet my bottom dollar 80% of that's Ron Paul and Barack Obama. | ||
| What do you say, Bev? | ||
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Well, I can't speak to that because I'm conservative and only reports exactly what I can prove. | |
| But let me say... | ||
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Stay there. | |
| We've got to break. | ||
| Final segment with Bev Aris. | ||
| She's going to pop back in in the third hour with all the new stuff. | ||
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She's learned this is Armageddon! | |
| This is Armageddon. | ||
| This is Armageddon! | ||
| This is Armageddon! | ||
| There's an underappreciated thing that I want to point out more. | ||
| Alex is a bit dramatic. | ||
| Oh? | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
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This is Armageddon is such a... | |
| That's cringy. | ||
| You should be ashamed looking back on that and being like, well, maybe I oversold that a little. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Here's what I think. | ||
| Like, truly, here's what I think people have fucked up, right? | ||
| Sports talk radio is where Alex was meant to be. | ||
| Now people realize that. | ||
| All sports talk radio is filled with insane people who say shit. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If you look at his stats, I bet 80% my bottom dollar! | ||
| That's all it's for. | ||
| Wrestling commentator, maybe. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That's all that it's for. | ||
| You're not supposed to do that for politics, though. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| It cheapens. | ||
| So you can hear in that clip the bullshit branding Bev is trying to hide behind us. | ||
| I only say what I can prove nonsense. | ||
| She has no evidence that they wrote in a zero, and reporting on this event has been clear that what happened was that the slot on that form was just left blank. | ||
| However, it's much more suspicious if someone went out of their way to write a zero, so that's what Bev is going with, even though her stated policy of only reporting what you can prove. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Also, Alex's theory makes no sense. | ||
| I would argue... | ||
| That it is more suspicious if you leave out five. | ||
| I think it's the polar opposite. | ||
| I mean, any conversation about that always reminds me of, like, the first guy to measure the height of Mount Everest measured it at exactly 20,000 feet and was like, well... | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| So for a long, long time in textbooks, it was 20,002 feet because that made him look so fucking precise. | ||
| Look at how fucking precise I am. | ||
| And that's just like... | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Removing five votes is going to change. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Well, at least he would have 26 then. | ||
| No, but I mean, that's the point. | ||
| The five is the ones that matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, yeah, and it's so much easier to just be like, accept a mistake of all of them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex is saying the opposite. | ||
| The complete opposite. | ||
| It's unreasonable to accept a mistake of five if you did that mistake on purpose. | ||
| And I think that the reason is because everything but what happened has to be presented as more reasonable than what actually happened. | ||
| Because this has to be the most suspicious thing ever. | ||
| And Alex kind of ends up saying stupid shit like that. | ||
| Anyway, Bev was watching CNN, and she saw some analysis of this that really freaked her out. | ||
| I was watching the CNN coverage last night, and I was shocked. | ||
| And let me tell you, the card shocked me. | ||
| But there was a person with a huge pie wedge in the pie slice graph, and sometimes he was beating Giuliani two to one in the pie slice, and they had the names of everybody except this person was the gray, unnamed person. | ||
| And that was Paul. | ||
| What the heck was that? | ||
| That's because their computers were coming in with the real info, and they had to take his name off. | ||
| Look, early on he was beating Giuliani. | ||
| Well, and they have this Republican, right? | ||
| So they have these different shades of red, and then they just have a gray, huge pie slice that they kept taking the camera off when it got bigger without a name on it. | ||
| It's not even red. | ||
| I mean, and it wasn't just for a minute. | ||
| This was for like an hour. | ||
| How in the world do you justify not naming? | ||
| A person in the pie slice when everyone else has a name and having it a different color. | ||
| It was the most blatant thing. | ||
| I mean, it was just so visual. | ||
| It was really one of those things that just makes you sick. | ||
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You're just going, I don't care what candidate it is. | |
| Every candidate deserves to have his name in the same situation as every other candidate. | ||
| Especially when he's beating Giuliani, but they're showing his name. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I wasn't able to find this CNN coverage itself, so I can't speak to this, but I would assume that maybe the pie slice that was gray was votes that are yet to come in, or something like that. | ||
| There's something that explains this that Bev is either missing or intentionally misleading about, but... | ||
| This is also where you really gotta squint and recognize that they're arguing about him beating Giuliani. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Giuliani was- Not in the race! | ||
| No, he was. | ||
| No, he was in the race. | ||
| But he was not the frontrunner. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| You had McCain and Romney who were the ones who were relevant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is insisting that they must have gone through this elaborate of a conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of third place. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I don't fucking know, man. | ||
| Yeah, they did the same thing to Ben Carson! | ||
| He was gonna get third! | ||
| Or whatever it was. | ||
| He got pawed. | ||
| So Alex lays out the talking points here of what the storyline is. | ||
| Look, I want to make it clear for new listeners. | ||
| We just proved that they gave him zero in a town where he had 31, and that's what they're saying, and there's all these other towns that show zero, or 500-plus here, 200-plus there, and we're talking about... | ||
| That would make Paul a majority. | ||
| We need to know who that other is. | ||
| This election all needs to be thrown out. | ||
| Put on hold now. | ||
| I do not want to see this be a replay of Bush in 2000, Bev, where Gore sits out or Kerry 2004. | ||
| We can't have Ron Paul sit out. | ||
| I mean, it'd be one thing if we think there's fraud and he showed double in the polls what he actually got. | ||
| It's another thing when we've caught him red-handed or when we catch him with convicted traffickers running things. | ||
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Right. | |
| What? | ||
| Right? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like Bev has, like, how would I put it? | ||
| Okay, can you imagine watching The Wizard of Oz? | ||
| I have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, now imagine watching The Wizard of Oz, and then Dorothy sees the wizard and goes, and then just runs away. | ||
| End of movie. | ||
| You know, like, it is so much like, oh. | ||
| Oh, listen, let me pull the curtain back. | ||
| It's TV, I understand. | ||
| It looks like it makes sense. | ||
| But if you go there and you watch it, you go, oh, no, these people are, oh, I got it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is so much like you just don't understand. | ||
| It's so close to you, though. | ||
| You're like right up. | ||
| You say hi to the wizard, and then you run away instead of pulling the curtain back. | ||
| Well, and you're intentionally misleading about the wizard. | ||
| Well, I mean, after you met the wizard. | ||
| Blurring details about the wizard. | ||
| After you met the wizard. | ||
| Making shit up about... | ||
| The wizard's plans. | ||
| You saw that he was scary, so you ran away, but then later on you were like, man, he wasn't that scary, so you gotta make it bigger when you tell other people, otherwise they're gonna think you're an idiot for just running away. | ||
| We've made up a story about what happened in this town, and now we're saying that it happened everywhere, and it was done by a cocaine trafficker. | ||
| So we've got quite a narrative that's been built up. | ||
| It's escalated pretty quick. | ||
| Now my argument is that there was an administrative error. | ||
| That happened in this town in a very limited sense, and it was corrected immediately. | ||
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She forgot to write down 31. But this could not possibly have been human error. | |
| What did this city clerk, the township clerk, what did she say to you when you said, how did this happen? | ||
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She said, it was human error. | |
| I'm sorry, human error doesn't cut it. | ||
| You could say human error about anything. | ||
| And it just so happened to be Ron Paul. | ||
| And 31... | ||
| Don't they even, like, add up the number of... | ||
| Actually, in New Hampshire, they require that they do what's called a reconciliation form. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| And on that form, they have to say how many people showed up and how many votes showed up. | ||
| It's easier than balancing... | ||
| If you're 31 off, why don't you do something? | ||
| It's easier than balancing your checkbook. | ||
| Oh, it's not. | ||
| This is basic arithmetic, and it's basically we had 350 people walk in the door to vote. | ||
| And we had this many votes show up. | ||
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There's no excuse for this kind of stuff. | |
| And the question then becomes, how many other places? | ||
| How many other places? | ||
| This is what someone who only reports what they can prove would be talking like. | ||
| This is someone who's real, just by the books, very serious and careful. | ||
| I think that she actually brings up a good point. | ||
| And that there probably are pretty good internal mechanisms in terms of balancing vote counts. | ||
| And that would be what is sent to the official numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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There may not be these Byzantine double check things in numbers that get sent to the media. | |
| Right. | ||
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They might just make a copy of the forms and whatever. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| more about speed than it is about accuracy to the media. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So this to me is even more of an indication that it probably was just these numbers that got sent to the media and they're pretending like it was an actual vote theft or whatever. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's dirty. | ||
| I mean, you know, like, part of my argument so much often comes down to, like, I understand all the reasons that it's not true. | ||
| But, follow me on the path to it is true. | ||
| Are you telling me these all-powerful people stole 31 votes from Sutton? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| What are they doing on the daily? | ||
| Like, how do you have time to destroy the world and get to Sutton? | ||
| And... | ||
| They had to then cover their tracks and make the recount appear that they didn't steal anything from anywhere else or they only stole from Sutton. | ||
| Believing any of this is real creates a whole bunch of really bizarre avenues. | ||
| Truly the ultimate argument so often for people should really come down to... | ||
| People are more likely to take the path of least resistance, and the more power you have, the more people love giving you the path of least resistance. | ||
| The more you get gift bags just for showing up places, you know? | ||
| Like, everything about the more power you have should be more about how people go, I'm going to do less work. | ||
| I'm not going to do this insane thing like go to Sutton. | ||
| Broke people go to Sutton. | ||
| People trying to build shit go to Sutton. | ||
| Or people like Alex and Bev go there to exploit a mistake that was made. | ||
| The type of person who's trying to get national attention for a thing that doesn't normally get national attention. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're talking about the people with power. | ||
| You're talking about the imagined globalists. | ||
| Yes, the imagined globalists. | ||
| They are the... | ||
| They would... | ||
| It makes... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I appreciate trying to bring some thought into it, but it's just, you know, in the real world, her ideas aren't persuasive. | ||
| No. | ||
| They fall apart, whether you look at it from a critical lens, or if you look at it from the, why would the globalists do this lens, no matter what. | ||
| But she's always so... | ||
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Pacific when she says she only says things that she can verify. | |
| Right. | ||
| It's a good brand. | ||
| But look, I find her argument unpersuasive, but there's another reason why I'm probably saying what I'm saying. | ||
| That's that I'm a coward. | ||
| Oh, that sounds right. | ||
| I mean, we just have a mafia running things, and it's time for the public to come to grips with this, Bev. | ||
| Yeah, I think the biggest thing I see is it's such a scary concept that a lot of people reject it outright and just go, I can't think about that. | ||
| You know, they just feel like... | ||
| Because, you know what, it's a one-way road, Alex. | ||
| Once you see it, you never turn back. | ||
| You know, nothing ever fools you again. | ||
| Now, some people will say, well, then why vote? | ||
| We have to engage this process and watch it so we can expose it. | ||
| Look, in five years, the majority of Americans in major polls, 85-plus percent, believe there's fraud now by the government and by the corporations. | ||
| Soon it's going to be 99%, and soon we're going to go arrest all these people. | ||
| Man, it sounds just like the present day there, you know? | ||
| Everyone's waking up. | ||
| That one's real, yeah. | ||
| Everyone's waking up, and soon just a few more people, once they wake up, it'll be game over for the globalists, and the patriots can arrest these crooks. | ||
| It's always the same story. | ||
| We're always almost there. | ||
| We're winning and losing simultaneously. | ||
| It's, uh, yeah. | ||
| Right around the corner, right around the corner. | ||
| All we need to do is get my show out to more people, and that will wake up more people to the point where we get to the amount of people woken up that we need in order to defeat the devil. | ||
| You know, the more I think about it, the more I prefer the globalists who steal votes from Sutton. | ||
| To run the things than all the stuff we have now. | ||
| Because here's the... | ||
| That's such a personal touch. | ||
| You know, like, they're going to... | ||
| Here, you know they're sending some ass, like, some flunky. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| Some flunky in the real world. | ||
| There's a Biden surrogate going to steal votes. | ||
| But in this world, it's the globalists themselves. | ||
| See, I disagree with liking this because it leads me to believe that we have fully incompetent globalists that are in charge. | ||
| Because if anyone wanted to steal shit, you'd have to have like three or four votes there. | ||
| So anybody who was like, I voted for them. | ||
| If you have zero, then all you have to have is one person who says, I voted for them, and the whole thing falls apart. | ||
| If you're stealing it, you've got to have a couple votes. | ||
| I know, and it's just like we know how people steal these elections with the dictators and shit. | ||
| You win like 95%, and then you publicly murder the guy who ran against you. | ||
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No, no, no, no, you get 31 votes in a tiny town in New Hampshire. | |
| Somebody else did it! | ||
| No idea. | ||
| So Bev takes her leave, and Alex... | ||
| Waste some time and then gets to some calls. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And we get a familiar face and friend call in to chime in. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, let's go to Charles in Louisiana then, Jason. | ||
| Charles, you're on the air, my friend. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Ms. Jones? | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I'd like to know something. | |
| I always agree with you and everything, but I'm starting to wonder about Ron Paul not making a gripe. | ||
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Why ain't he really getting more forceful about this? | |
| Well, I mean, the New Hampshire's only been over for 12 hours, so they're studying it. | ||
| They've got to be careful. | ||
| They've got to analyze. | ||
| Yeah, they've got to be careful. | ||
| Old gentleman, the gentleman from Louisiana, Charles. | ||
| He's worried that Ron Paul is not aggressive enough. | ||
| I think all conspiracies sound more believable with a Cajun accent. | ||
| A little more palatable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a fun accent. | ||
| Why is he doing that? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Tell me more. | ||
| I'm worried he's not making a grade. | ||
| Me too now. | ||
| I don't know why, but me too. | ||
| So Alex, one of the things that you always see when he's developing a narrative, more or less in real time, is you'll see constant repetition of the thing in order to beat out the little touch points along the way. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And so here is another one of these. | ||
| Ron Paul, openly, at every level, was cheated in New Hampshire. | ||
| Not just his poll numbers being double what he actually got. | ||
| Not just that he got in dozens of township zero votes. | ||
| Not just that they show 500, 600, 200, 300 uncounted votes or other. | ||
| Not just that they took his name off the pie chart on CNN. | ||
| We have a major township saying that he got zero votes. | ||
| Witnesses came forward and said, we voted for him. | ||
| And they said, okay, there are a bunch of votes for him. | ||
| Caught red-handed. | ||
| It just went up on PrisonPlanet.com right now. | ||
| So there's some points here. | ||
| Ron, Paul's poll numbers were artificially high because Alex was going off things like online polling, which severely exaggerated Paul's real-world popularity. | ||
| He was very popular with people who were too online in 2008, but that didn't translate to actual voters. | ||
| Pretty much across the board, you are going to see him fall well short of that polling, which isn't proof of him being screwed. | ||
| It's really more a warning about putting too much stock in polls. | ||
| Particularly the online ones. | ||
| Also, Paul getting zero votes in some towns is not evidence that he got screwed. | ||
| This town, Sutton, is in Merrimack County, and in that county, there are a bunch of towns where Alan Keyes got zero votes. | ||
| Does that mean he was screwed? | ||
| Even Giuliani and Huckabee had towns where they got zero votes, but none of that's indicative of votes being stolen. | ||
| That 500 votes that Bev brought up weren't uncounted votes. | ||
| They were just for candidates who were below the threshold of whatever the outlet she was looking at chose to report. | ||
| Alex has decided that it is because that works for him, but there's no basis for this. | ||
| And God bless it. | ||
| But Sutton is not a major township. | ||
| It's a small town and they made an administrative error reporting the results to the media. | ||
| You can see the difference between the way Alex reports this story and the actual details of what happened. | ||
| He fudges every bit of information he can so it'll fit the predetermined narrative, which is that the globalists screwed up. | ||
| Yeah, it is like when you work it out. | ||
| It's like a problem of stakes and of access. | ||
| Like, if there was just a way to, like, contain the damage, you know? | ||
| Like, because there's a certain amount of this that is, like, people are going to gravitate to this type of thing for fun. | ||
| Alex's content. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Even if they aren't, like, obsessed with it. | ||
| And the number of people who gravitate to it, whether or not they're there for fun or for dastardly deeds. | ||
| The larger the number, the more power the thing has, right? | ||
| So the people who are there for fun are contributing to that. | ||
| It's unfortunate, but that's the case. | ||
| In theory, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But if we could just get a safe place, if we could get, like, a playground for it, you know? | ||
| Like, if we could get, like, a football, you know, like, instead of fighting shitty battles, you know, people play football, you know? | ||
| Like, we could get one of those for this. | ||
| I understand that, and I think that, like, okay, let's say you can listen to Alex, but then you don't get to have a phone, so you can't harass people. | ||
| Right! | ||
| You can't pull that off. | ||
| That one's trouble. | ||
| That one's gonna be tough. | ||
| And then you can't have, like, okay, you can do this, but you're not allowed. | ||
| I'm supposed to call these people because I need to confront them about the fact that they're involved in a conspiracy. | ||
| There is no way for this to exist in a safe bubble, unfortunately. | ||
| But I understand what you're saying. | ||
| I think it would be... | ||
| There's a harm reduction impetus that you want. | ||
| There's no way to do it. | ||
| Well, it's because I think we all now spend so much time, and you have to be aware that you're spending time visiting non-reality. | ||
| We're all spending so much time visiting it through whatever medium we choose to, and this is one of them that I don't want to... | ||
| Be like, oh, well, you can't go to non-reality like that. | ||
| You know, that's bullshit. | ||
| But at the same time, you're like, you can't bring non-reality here, man. | ||
| That's not where it's supposed to go. | ||
| This non-reality, when it intersects with reality, reality often leads to people getting hurt. | ||
| It does. | ||
| And that is unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta find a way to... | ||
| In a way that a lot of other unreality doesn't, like video games or reality TV or whatever. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex has a guest that he was going to talk to for longer on this episode, but he got bumped because of the... | ||
| Because of the excitement of 31 votes being missing from Sutton! | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is Armageddon. | ||
| So this person got the short shrift. | ||
| Now, before we go to our guest, who is a Vietnam vet himself, he was an acting medic there when their medic got killed in Vietnam, had a lot of experience there. | ||
| You know, I know a lot of middle-class people. | ||
| I even know quite a few wealthy people. | ||
| And all the time I hear about their sister, their brother, their cousin, or them, their child falls off a jungle gym in front of 20 witnesses, breaks a finger, falls out of the tree, falls out of the jungle gym in the backyard or the playhouse, breaks a toe, breaks a foot. | ||
| My mother broke her arm. | ||
| I broke bones falling out of trees. | ||
| My mother would have been CPS back in the 50s, gone forever. | ||
| And I talk to them. | ||
| I mean, folks, here in Austin, your child bruises their eye. | ||
| Your child, they come to school, fall off their skateboard when they're 10. CPS is coming. | ||
| Your child tells them I fell off my skateboard. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| When I dislocated my shoulder, when I was like 12, wrestling in a pool, you know, chicken fighting on somebody's shoulders, my dad is a dentist, oral surgeon. | ||
| He said, I'm taking you to Mesquite to go to the hospital. | ||
| Now, they're going to ask you how this happened. | ||
| Be very careful and tell them that I didn't do this. | ||
| I thought, why are you telling me that? | ||
| Just get me to the hospital. | ||
| Sure enough, doctor comes in. | ||
| Did your parents do this to you? | ||
| And I said, no, it happened in the pool. | ||
| How did it happen? | ||
| It's a secret police nation of scum. | ||
| That's a deeply upsetting story about Alex's dad. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to hear that again. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| I broke my arm when I was a kid, and my parents were just worried if I was okay. | ||
| Not about what I would tell the doctor. | ||
| It seems like a really messed up thing to do to a kid to say that, and it does not make Alex's dad look good. | ||
| No, it kind of explains things moving from that moment forward. | ||
| And then from this moment backward. | ||
| Yeah, it's just weird. | ||
| It's just a very weird headspace. | ||
| Yeah, I've broken so many bones through so many different avenues and at no point in time were my parents ever concerned. | ||
| Don't bring me into this. | ||
| Yeah, it was always like, I mean, at the worst it was like, ah, Jesus, who knows if this doctor's any good. | ||
| You know, like that was about as bad as it got. | ||
| Or this is going to be expensive. | ||
| Yeah, this is going to be expensive was number one. | ||
| About everything. | ||
| You can tell that this guest is going to be an issue around one of these topics. | ||
| As it turns out, it's a guy named Tom Shefflett who had his kid taken but then returned almost immediately after they took him to the hospital. | ||
| I'm going to shut up now and go to our guest. | ||
| But his son was hanging on his sister's car. | ||
| She drove into the... | ||
| I did the exact same type of things with cousins and people. | ||
| Got a little bruise. | ||
| CPS comes. | ||
| And they SWAT team them, everything else. | ||
| Here to break this down, this is out of Newcastle, Colorado, is the father, Tom Shifflett. | ||
| And Tom, thanks for coming on with us, sir. | ||
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You're welcome. | |
| So this is a situation where Tom's 11-year-old son fell after grabbing the handle of a moving car and hit his head pretty good. | ||
| Someone in the mobile home park where they lived called an ambulance, and Tom was resistant to their wishes to check the child out. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Tom was a medic in the Vietnam War, after all, so his position was that he could be the son's doctor just fine. | ||
| His unwillingness to allow the paramedics to check on his son prompted the Department of Social Services to do a wellness check. | ||
| Because not letting them examine his son could be a red flag for abuse. | ||
| It makes total sense why they could interpret things this way. | ||
| It would almost be negligent not to check. | ||
| The social services people were able to briefly examine the child, but when they wanted to take him to the hospital to get checked out, Tom refused. | ||
| There were real concerns here. | ||
| This kid hit his head. | ||
| There could be serious trauma that absolutely can't be handled in a home hospital situation. | ||
| And here's where things got a little bit out of hand. | ||
| Having received a court order, the police All Hazards Response Team showed up and took the child into the hospital for testing against the parents' wishes. | ||
| That level of forcefulness is a bit much, but you can also understand their reasoning. | ||
| If this kid did have brain trauma from the fall and Tom was refusing to get him help, that's negligent abuse. | ||
| Ultimately, they ran tests and found out that the kid was okay, just needed painkillers and an ice pack. | ||
| In the end, that's the best possible outcome. | ||
| But unfortunately, it also makes the fact that they did this whole raid thing in order to get the kid help seem pointless. | ||
| Without getting the kid checked, there was no way to know if it was okay to assume that the kid was going to be okay and just needed home care. | ||
| It's pretty easy to understand the state's motivation here, but I will grant that it doesn't seem like it was handled the best way it possibly could have. | ||
| From the police side, they said that they told him, they informed him that they had like a warrant and a court order for the kid to go to the hospital and he ignored it. | ||
| He says that they never told him that they had that, but I don't know. | ||
| This guy seems like an asshole. | ||
| So I'm not sure I believe his side. | ||
| It is a mess, and I don't know all the specifics about this situation. | ||
| But at the end of the day, the kid was returned after being checked out at the hospital, and it's not like there was more harm done necessarily. | ||
| So Tom, he has a bit of a demand for lawmakers. | ||
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Sure. | |
| If I did this interview, I could have a certain few minutes here. | ||
| I want to challenge the presidential nominees, all of them. | ||
| If they don't hear this, and if their aides and their committees don't pick up this, that's their fault. | ||
| But I want to challenge them. | ||
| Whoever becomes president, whoever becomes president of this nation, to represent these people and protect this country. | ||
| I want them to stand on my door shaking my hand, telling me that I am going to do everything I can to redress laws that do not protect you. | ||
| And then I'm going to be waiting for that person, that president. | ||
| I'm going to be waiting for them to do that. | ||
| And I want them to know that all America is going to be watching. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you this. | ||
| We're going to have to do it ourselves, sir. | ||
| We're going to have to expose it. | ||
| And a lot of these social workers are bad. | ||
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Well, you guys are the ones that vote for the president. | |
| So do it yourself. | ||
| Well, that's what we're talking about, sir. | ||
| There is no election now. | ||
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Nobody's helped me yet. | |
| It's all staged, sir. | ||
| It's all staged. | ||
| But listen, I'm just trying here with you to expose it. | ||
| It's the exposure that has the effect, and the point is... | ||
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It's been exposed. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you kind of get the sense there that maybe Tom's a bit of an asshole. | ||
| Also, in the interview, he said that he was previously arrested for assault with a deadly weapon, which may have something to do with the police response. | ||
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Why? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| But what Alex says there is telling. | ||
| He's condescending to this guy about how the presidential election is all staged. | ||
| Alex enters his coverage of the election with that conclusion firmly in mind, so obviously everything he finds is going to be evidence of that staging. | ||
| The situation in New Hampshire can't just be an error, because that doesn't comport with the overarching storyline, which is that everything is staged. | ||
| The narrative is set from the jump. | ||
| Everything is staged except what Ron Paul does. | ||
| Ron Paul is the most popular candidate, and that scares the globalists, so all the staging will be done to impede his otherwise inevitable win. | ||
| All news is filtered through that lens, and that's how we end up getting here. | ||
| So, this guy is not on for very long. | ||
| But after he leaves, we get another reframing of the Sutton story, and you can see sort of the tweaks that are going along as Alex builds the narrative. | ||
| We get contacted by great listeners at ronpaulwarum.com. | ||
| They tell us, hey, the family voted and then it showed zero. | ||
| We went and noticed last night and this morning, all these towns, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. | ||
| You'd have 500 votes, 300 votes, 400 votes, thousands of votes, 3,000 votes. | ||
| It'd show 500 other. | ||
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Wouldn't say who it was. | |
| Definitely Paul and Obama. | ||
| 200 other, 400 other, 600 other, 200 other, 100 other, 50 other. | ||
| In the first town we called, Bev Harris called right before airtime. | ||
| The first town she calls. | ||
| They say, oh yeah, that was a mistake. | ||
| He got 31. We're going to change that. | ||
| And then all the maps, that suddenly changes. | ||
| What about the other towns? | ||
| So there's some very important tweaks that Alex has made to this story as he works on it in preparation to take some more calls. | ||
| The first is incorporating the idea that Bev brought up about the votes listed as other. | ||
| She gave an infantile misrepresentation of that, and now Alex has woven it into his review of all these towns in New Hampshire. | ||
| All these places with all these votes for other. | ||
| Those are definitely Ron Paul in the GOP primary and Obama in the Democrat one. | ||
| Obama, he doesn't really actually like or anything. | ||
| He's just, it's sort of the cudgel that he uses from the other side. | ||
| January 2008 is a great time for a racist to call everybody else racist. | ||
| It was the best. | ||
| I don't think that's the case for Alex. | ||
| I think he's just... | ||
| Oh, no, no, I know, but I mean, that's kind of what I'm saying, is like, that because you can be like, oh, yeah, I hate Hillary so much, I can passively come off as supporting a black candidate for president? | ||
| I'm amazing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm the least racist person ever. | ||
| So the second misrepresentation in there is that Sutton was the first town that Bev called. | ||
| It's not so much to do as the first, it's just that it's the only town they called, because it's the only one where this error happened. | ||
| you may notice that there isn't a second town that's been contacted where Paul got screwed, which should be so easy to find if what Alex is saying is true. | ||
| That's because all of this, everything that Bev and Alex are doing in this episode, is in service of turning this very small administrative error into proof of statewide and, honestly, national voter fraud meant to take out Ron Paul. | ||
| It's a desperate charade, and It is weak. | ||
| And that's why you need to keep... | ||
| Building on other layers of this conspiracy, other side support. | ||
| So let's say we've got Sutton had 900 total votes on, something like that, right? | ||
| So adult population-wise, let's call it a town of 3,000. | ||
| Let's just do that. | ||
| It's about 2,000. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| So if we spread that out, total population of the United States, call every town roughly that, divide by the number of people. | ||
| There should be several hundred thousand towns where you can find 31 votes missing. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It shouldn't be hard. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but I mean, look, sure, but the New Hampshire primary is the only one that's happened other than the Iowa caucus, so at this point... | ||
| You only have that state. | ||
| But there are plenty of places that Alex has said that there were zero votes for Ron Paul, so all of those you should be able to, by this point, Bev's been off the air for a while, so she should have dug up another one. | ||
| Wow, but even then, New Hampshire is even, okay, so fine, New Hampshire's a small state. | ||
| But 31 votes is a small number of votes compared to a large state. | ||
| Even a small one. | ||
| Let's be also clear. | ||
| You don't even need to find 31. You need to find one. | ||
| And Alex hasn't done that. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So here we are. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, you could find five or seven. | ||
| That'd almost be less suspicious. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So Alex, I found this very strange. | ||
| He starts covering... | ||
| A news story. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's an InfoWars article about the interview he did earlier in this episode. | ||
| With Beth. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Vote fraud expert Beth Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that they had reported zero. | ||
| See, they did report zero. | ||
| We need to add that, by the way. | ||
| Who was forced to admit that 31 votes for Ron Paul were completely omitted from the final report sheet claiming human error was responsible for the mistake. | ||
| And it was all over the state, too, wasn't it? | ||
| Was it? | ||
| I mean, he'd get 25% in a few areas, 30% in a few. | ||
| That's where they didn't have the fix in. | ||
| Two or three votes not counted could be a plausible mistake, but 31 votes for one candidate and showing zero? | ||
| The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form, Harris told Alex Jones show. | ||
| They are continuing everything. | ||
| They're counting everything in public. | ||
| Real nice. | ||
| But fill out a form in public, real nice, and then they transfer it to another form, and they call that a summary sheet, and then that is the one they send in. | ||
| So you have it showing 31 votes. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| He probably had 50%. | ||
| And then magically, it's, oh, magically, it's zero. | ||
| Explained Harris. | ||
| Hey, dude, we heard it. | ||
| It was earlier on this show. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What are you doing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those quotes from Bev are from this episode. | ||
| That's fucking... | ||
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It's... | |
| Almost like you're high. | ||
| That is classic. | ||
| I'm hallucinating. | ||
| Straight up, this stack is small. | ||
| Make some copies. | ||
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All right? | |
| Like, okay. | ||
| Well, here's what we've got for proof. | ||
| We've got very little. | ||
| We've got a recording of this conversation. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| We have a recording and a transcript of that recording. | ||
| We have two things. | ||
| Aha! | ||
| Now, you say there's only one thing, but you have mistaken that because now we have a recording and a transcript and us talking about it. | ||
| That's three things. | ||
| That's a second-hand source. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| See, look at us. | ||
| We've got so much evidence. | ||
| I am buried in evidence. | ||
| A ponderance of evidence, if you will. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I understand. | ||
| That's how we got to the Iraq war! | ||
| That's honestly exactly the motivation behind what Alex is doing. | ||
| Creating the appearance of this large amount of evidence where there's nothing. | ||
| There's nothing happening here. | ||
| You're full of shit. | ||
| So I think that maybe there are some Ron Paul supporters who think Alex is an asshole. | ||
| And I think that some of them, rightly, think that he gives Ron Paul a bad name. | ||
| Now, Ron Paul also gives himself a bad name. | ||
| He's doing a lord's job. | ||
| But Alex still makes him look crazy. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I think that Alex is not appreciative that some of these websites say that he's a little much. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| By the way, folks, I get emails people thinking I'm arrogant or Daily Paul has big discussions about am I arrogant? | ||
| I'm upset. | ||
| I'm in, like, pick up, you know, chairs and throw them through window mode. | ||
| I take it real serious when criminals are stealing our elections. | ||
| And you hear me get up there and you think I'm putting on a Macho Man Randy Savage act. | ||
| This is how I actually feel, okay? | ||
| Okay? | ||
| I'm mad, okay? | ||
| You should be mad too! | ||
| Yeah, hear me daily, Paul? | ||
| I think what is funny about that is that's one of the few times that Alex has said something that I've directly like, yeah, I know how you feel, buddy. | ||
| When people are like, you should calm down. | ||
| It's like, hey, listen, Alex is full of shit. | ||
| Unfortunately, this is who I am. | ||
| I am so sorry. | ||
| I apologize to all of you. | ||
| I disagree, though, because I think that you actually are what you are, whereas Alex is obviously... | ||
| Putting on an act. | ||
| Right, he's putting on bullshit. | ||
| So often I'm just like, God, guys, you are way last. | ||
| You're way behind in the line for wishing I was different. | ||
| Don't you worry about that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're missing the forest for the trees here, though. | ||
| And that is that Ron Paul, Daily Paul, they're talking shit about Alex, saying he's irrational or putting one on. | ||
| And I was surprised by this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you think that Alex has Ron Paul on the show pretty consistently. | ||
| They're pretty connected. | ||
| Alex even started standing his son. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So you forget that there's probably some division in the ranks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There is this part of the Ron Paul base that's like, Alex sucks. | ||
| And this is what makes Alex really mad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so when he comes back from break, he descends into a bit of a tirade. | ||
| You got mob bosses, like, literally, his dad and his uncle both mob bosses, time for armed robbery, made men, Giuliani. | ||
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Trump's lawyer. | |
| We got mob bosses running for president now. | ||
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We are ruled by scum! | |
| And I am... | ||
| Do you understand how dangerous this is? | ||
| The people running things are the grandsons and sons of people that killed 200-0. | ||
| They don't play games! | ||
| They're coming for you and your family! | ||
| Oh, Alex gets a little extreme. | ||
| He gets a little upset. | ||
| What are we supposed to do? | ||
| It's the fact that we're not upset that this stuff hasn't changed. | ||
| I am getting mad. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| I just started thinking about it. | ||
| They're all mob bosses or coke dealers or Chinese generals or espionage or deputy directors of the CIA and they're poisoning us and going after our guns and grabbing our kids and just... | ||
| Having their way with us. | ||
| You've got this cowardly chicken-necked public trained to just go along with all of it. | ||
| And then you've got Ron Paul all over New Hampshire. | ||
| It was last night. | ||
| It was zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. | ||
| And look, thousands of votes, hundreds of votes in these towns. | ||
| Zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. | ||
| Zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. | ||
| For Ron Paul, that ain't happening. | ||
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That's bull! | |
| Period! | ||
| It means we're in a dictatorship if they get away with this. | ||
| A dictatorship of a bunch of arrogant criminals that need to be defeated. | ||
| You understand it's either us or them. | ||
| You understand with a historical paradigm that if they continue to grow and they continue to expand their operation, it's going to get really bad. | ||
| My back's against the wall. | ||
| I just happen to know it. | ||
| You haven't figured it out yet. | ||
| And I pray every day you'll figure out that your back is against the wall. | ||
| These criminals have gotten high-tech. | ||
| They're building high-tech control grids all around us to micromanage us and control us because they've got such bad stuff planned for us, they know we're going to go absolutely ape. | ||
| We've got to go ape before they're done putting the grid in. | ||
| I'm not risking my life to play tiddlywinks. | ||
| I'm not on this show to play games with you. | ||
| DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?! | ||
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*Sigh* *Sigh* | |
| It is a... | ||
| Are you going to be okay, bud? | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| The Ron Paul, the Daily Paul, has said he's too much, and he must demonstrate that I am not too much by being too much. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that's the kind of 2008-level freak-out, though. | ||
| It's interesting because he almost goes into, like, breathing exercises instead of storming off set or... | ||
| Swearing or anything. | ||
| He's like the Hulk trying to soothe himself. | ||
| There is a level of like, you did actually make yourself mad, but you don't realize that it's not because of the globalists. | ||
| It's because somebody was mean to you. | ||
| At least you think they were. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Whatever it is, it's you, it's in your head, and you're making your own problems. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So Alex keeps ranting a little bit after he catches his breath. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he descends into a little bit of fantasies of violence about the chicken necks. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| And then there's breaking news. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| And don't think if Ron Paul loses and gets cheated that we lose. | ||
| We're showing everybody the fraud, we're educating everybody, we're growing our movement, chicken necks, and we're that much closer to getting our hands around your throat. | ||
| You understand? | ||
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Because there's some of us that love life and are willing to fight for it. | |
| And there's some of us that haven't been domesticated. | ||
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And there's some of us that know an enemy. | |
| An enemy is somebody who's out to get you, folks. | ||
| And there's a lot of people out to get us. | ||
| And I take this deadly serious. | ||
| That's why I get so mad. | ||
| It's very real for me. | ||
| And even if you don't know how real it is, it's still real. | ||
| Just like you don't know a bus is coming 60 miles an hour down the road. | ||
| But nevertheless, it's coming. | ||
| Why don't you turn around and see it coming so you can step out of the way? | ||
| New developments? | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
| He got 9.11 in three counties. | ||
| God, they throw it in our face, don't they? | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Those little numerology. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | |
| 9.11% of the vote. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In three of the towns of 200-something towns. | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
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All right. | |
| All of you be gone. | ||
| Here's what's great about this clip, is that it also included Alex saying, I take this deadly serious. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I love it. | ||
| Oh my God, they're throwing it in our face with these numbers. | ||
| I mean, the man just hears 9-11, 9-11, 9-11. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's just, it makes you sad. | ||
| It makes you sad how obvious they are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're laughing at you. | ||
| It's in your face. | ||
| It's like they make me feel so small. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they are real. | ||
| It's definitely not in my own head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there are probably places you got 6.9% too. | ||
| Yeah, 420%. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Definitely some of those. | ||
| 3.11. | ||
| Just to make Alex mad because he hates 311. | ||
| He hates 311. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Again, I agree with him. | ||
| 7.11? | ||
| That's promotional. | ||
| That was paid for by 711. | ||
| Well, that's actually a reference to Zach Galifianakis' joke about terrorists who... | ||
| See, they mixed up their nines and their sevens. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Bev does come back, and it's uneventful. | ||
| She doesn't have anything else. | ||
| She doesn't have any breaking news that she got from fucking Sutton 2? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Too Sutton, too furious. | ||
| There is no second Sutton. | ||
| And really the rest of anything is just kind of like a repetition of these themes that have already been developed. | ||
| So we may as well just jump off here. | ||
| It's as good a point as any to leave as the 9-11 numerology votes. | ||
| I appreciate that not only did they do a thing. | ||
| Then write a thing about the thing. | ||
| Then read the thing on the air about the thing that they did. | ||
| That is pretty remarkable. | ||
| That's speed. | ||
| I'll give them that. | ||
| But then... | ||
| To have Bev back on to redo the thing that they already did. | ||
| That they rewrote, that then they talked about on the thing, that then they talked about again on the thing. | ||
| Well, here's where it's a little bit less impressive. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson wrote that article. | ||
| So, like, it was somebody else. | ||
| It was a third party who works for them. | ||
| Well, I imagine Alex wasn't typing. | ||
| I would like to see that. | ||
| I would like Alex during the breaks to be tipped up tapping on the keyboard. | ||
| Infinitely more respect from me. | ||
| Infinitely more respect if he's writing articles in five minutes in between the breaks. | ||
| So, you know, I was doing the show preps, and I think you can probably agree this wouldn't have been the best as a live episode, but it is something that I didn't want to get lost in the shuffle. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| There is something really remarkable about how little evidence Alex requires to write a grand story about voter fraud. | ||
| And it's been that way for a long time. | ||
| Like, the 2020 election is... | ||
| No anomaly for him. | ||
| It's just that everyone else is taking this more seriously and the candidate is unhinged enough to play into all of these conspiracies and cater to that community. | ||
| So we're left in a far more precarious situation. | ||
| If Ron Paul... | ||
| Well, there's a lot of ifs there. | ||
| If Ron Paul had the level of support that Trump has and played along with Alex's games and these kinds of voter fraud things, we might have been in a much different situation earlier on in the country. | ||
| I think one of the most interesting things about Alex on today's episode is that he said something that contradicts everything he said, which is like, we have to deal with this now, you know, before. | ||
| We have to go ape now before... | ||
| We're so often obsessed with, like, when does the shooting start? | ||
| You know, he gets those calls all the time now. | ||
| When does the shooting start? | ||
| And Alex has inadvertently revealed something that is true, which is that if any of what he said is true, then you should go ape before shit starts going off. | ||
| Because once shit starts going off, it's too late. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's the entire premise of the idea of the prison planet. | ||
| The reason you don't want a one-world government is because there's nowhere else to go then. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| So you have to... | ||
| You have to destroy the one-world government before it happens, and you end up in a prison planet where you can't stop it. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, that is underneath all of Alex's rhetoric, but the conclusion that you draw from it, this idea that you've got to start shooting before it's too late, is an unfortunate parallel. | ||
| It is underneath what Alex is talking about, but it's the part of it that you never talk about. | ||
| Right, I mean, because what Alex, realistically, what Alex should be doing, if you're Alex... | ||
| Trying to believe what you believe and still exist in reality is be like, guys, if we behave extreme now before violence kicks off, if we don't be violent but we still do the stuff, you know, then we cannot be violent. | ||
| If we react strong and handle the problem now before it gets out of control, then we don't have to do violence. | ||
| Instead, he's just like, hey, listen. | ||
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They're gonna get us to the point where we get to do some violence. | |
| So let's just hang back. | ||
| Sooner or later, somebody will pull the trigger, and then we get to go wipe shit! | ||
| Well, I think that's what a lot of people in the audience are probably subconsciously or consciously drawn towards. | ||
| And that's what Trump is. | ||
| Trump is the, hey, now we get to shoot. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Hopefully not. | ||
| So, you know, you get this glimpse here that... | ||
| There's a consistency in terms of this. | ||
| My person is more popular, and the only reason that reality doesn't reflect that is because someone's stealing it, and they're cheating and rigging. | ||
| So, anyway, we'll be back for another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Blue Sky. | ||
| We are on Blue Sky. | ||
| It's Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| When I get to this point, I always realize that there's something that I could have done. | ||
| And in this point, I could have found what the number one song on the Billboard charts was on this day in history and then boop-boop-booped it. | ||
| That would have been great. | ||
| But I didn't do that. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| Maybe next time. | ||
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! | |
| And now... | ||
| Here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
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I love your work. |
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