#904: February 23, 2024
In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in on the modern day, only to find Alex being deeply defensive about his support of Elon Musk. Plus, the guy that Alex thinks is Elon Musk calls in again.
Feb. 28, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding us. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your word. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes that sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan, I have a quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| You go. | ||
| My bright spot is very obviously Final Fantasy VII Rebirth coming out. | ||
| On Thursday... | ||
| I mean, this is life-altering. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| You've been waiting for this for 20-odd years. | ||
| Well, I mean, the remake was essentially sticking together with the story, adhering to it closely while opening up the reality that we're going to change. | ||
| This is when it finally goes off on its own storyline, the rebirth. | ||
| Oh, so it won't follow it so tightly. | ||
| There might be even a moment that fans... | ||
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Sure, I even know what you're talking about. | |
| But nobody knows. | ||
| I mean, everybody knows. | ||
| I feel like everyone's going to riot if it does or doesn't. | ||
| Or doesn't, yeah. | ||
| Either way, you've screwed it for someone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is the last Jedi of choices to make in Final Fantasy VII. | ||
| It's very exciting for you. | ||
| I'm happy for you. | ||
| You know, it's always, you know, I feel like it would be like for me how I would feel if a new Donkey Kong Country came out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a level of excitement that everybody just needs to respect and be like, hey. | ||
| You're going to be on one for a bit, and that's okay. | ||
| It is going to be a while. | ||
| It is going to be a while. | ||
| It's always interesting, too, because, you know, whenever you've played the... | ||
| I even tried speedrunning FF7, so the story I know by heart, you know, to an extent of, like, being able to recite lines and shit. | ||
| So to have a new take on it is like a little fan fiction and a little bit of a, ooh, what canon might available now? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's fun. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| I guess my bright spot is we just went and got brunch and that was nice, but it wasn't brunch because the place didn't have brunch, but I got some mac and cheese. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| Yeah, it was nice to get a little meal. | ||
| It's always nice. | ||
| So anyway, Jordan, today... | ||
| Good bright spot. | ||
| It was a nice time. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| So today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're not going to hit all the beats of this episode. | ||
| I'm going to say that in advance. | ||
| We're going to skip over a little bit of stuff because... | ||
| You know, this is more of a bulletin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Kind of get this, something happens, and I really feel like we need to chime in. | ||
| I need your take on some things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so we'll go down to business on that, talking about a lot of what happened last Friday. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| On February 23rd. | ||
| But before we get to the business of this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Kevin Mag, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Ric Flair woos in the distance. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, for John and Eli, keeping it blue in a very red South Dakota. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Michelle from St. Louis has a special interest in the show Bonanza. | ||
| That show is incredibly woke. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Most of my Bonanza knowledge comes from Bonanza. | ||
| I feel like it doesn't seem that woke. | ||
| Every time I hear him say, hop, sing, I go, not good. | ||
| Troublesome. | ||
| Treatment of women, a little bit iffy. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| Well, they're mostly dead. | ||
| That's what I found out through the show. | ||
| So, next, Eddie V says, thank you so much, and how about that infinite wealth, eh? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I had a bit of fun. | ||
| I think the game seems to have third act problems that has made it so I have a difficulty completing the game. | ||
| I haven't finished it. | ||
| Culture in 2024 has third act problems. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| I enjoyed it while I enjoyed it. | ||
| I think it was fantastic at the beginning and middle, and then towards the end, I've just sort of trailed off. | ||
| You know, I've never been rewarded for waving to people while walking down the street. | ||
| That was a lot of fun. | ||
| That was spectacular. | ||
| That was. | ||
| If that's all I got out of it. | ||
| And befriending chickens. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
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Good times. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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We had a text granted next to Jordan, so thank you so much, too. | |
| I'm sweating in this demon feast. | ||
| All the best, dude. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, on this episode, Alex comes in, and he is whoo-hoo-hoo happy. | ||
| He's happy? | ||
| Victory. | ||
| Victory. | ||
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Victory? | |
| Victory. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Across the board in victories. | ||
| I feel like that is absolutely not possible. | ||
| It's, well, he gets into why he's in this mood, and it turns out there's some promising poll numbers for Trump. | ||
| And so Alex declares that Trump is going to win in a landslide that we haven't seen the likes of since George Washington. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So that's great. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And then everybody hates the fucking New World Order. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And so Alex tells us the story of him going to Hawaii, which we know was him... | ||
| Spying on Bill Gates' house. | ||
| He said he was on a work trip. | ||
| Or Zuckerberg. | ||
| Zuckerberg, yeah. | ||
| He said he was going on a work trip. | ||
| That was the excuse for going to Hawaii. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But in this telling of it, he retells the story, and it was a family vacation. | ||
| Oh, he was! | ||
| And some weirdo just came up to him and was like, I work at Zuckerberg's compound. | ||
| And so then this guy told him stuff about Zuckerberg's compound on how much everybody hates Zuckerberg. | ||
| And so that turned it into a work trip, apparently. | ||
| That should be immediately disqualifying. | ||
| If you are an InfoWars listener, it shouldn't be about politics. | ||
| It shouldn't be about anything. | ||
| You should still agree with Alex if your heart desires. | ||
| But the moment you found out he was lying about it being a work trip, fuck that guy. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| I feel like a lot of people can identify with that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Scam and work time. | ||
| You know, trying to deduct. | ||
| Things that maybe aren't deductible. | ||
| I think people can relate. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| So, all the people, they want to kill Zuckerberg, they're going to kill him in that hole. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| When the shit goes down, they're going to get him. | ||
| We're all getting on boats to Hawaii. | ||
| It turns out, this probably is a big part of Alex's great mood, is that everyone keeps telling him they want to kill Alex's enemies. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| New World Order, you are completely screwed. | ||
| And you know why they all want to kill you? | ||
| They know you released the virus. | ||
| They know you're driving up the prices. | ||
| They know you hate everybody. | ||
| They know you treat everybody like crap. | ||
| They recognize you as the enemy. | ||
| And it's the same thing all over the world. | ||
| Everybody hates Klaus Schwab. | ||
| Everybody hates Bill Gates. | ||
| Everybody hates Judge Trudeau. | ||
| Anybody with a brain hates Barack Obama. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Do you understand that I can't walk down the street without people pulling over and telling me they want to kill you? | ||
| Pulling over. | ||
| That's what the public really tells me. | ||
| And I go, no, no, no, we're going to fix this peacefully. | ||
| No, no, no, we're not. | ||
| Wait, why are you saying that? | ||
| Two people pulling over. | ||
| And try to pull on heartstrings and make it look like we're violent to head that off. | ||
| That's why we don't want to do that. | ||
| You don't sound violent. | ||
| We're going to win politically. | ||
| But they'll probably push it into a full-arm revolt and conflict and then, fine. | ||
| Wait, they'll push it into a full-arm revolt. | ||
| But you know what they're going to do? | ||
| They're going to cut the power. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, his people don't, like, they don't sound violent. | ||
| They just pull over in their vehicles and yell, hey, I want to kill Klaus Schwab and Alex. | ||
| That doesn't sound like people who are, you know, kind of primarily motivated by violent fantasies. | ||
| Now I'm going to throw this out at you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you're saying my people are pulling their cars over to tell me how murderous they are. | ||
| But they're not violent. | ||
| And then you tell me that. | ||
| They, as in the other people, are going to start a conflict. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I feel like that, okay, it's entirely possible that they may technically start a conflict, but I feel like if you don't need to even light the match to have somebody go, yeah, it's on fire, then it's kind of not on you. | ||
| Yeah, I think that, I mean, just a really even simpler thing is, hey, my... | ||
| People seem to be organized around shared violent fantasies. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| But we're not violent. | ||
| Non-violent. | ||
| I think that's difficult to square. | ||
| I think that everyone would love to kill Klaus Schwab. | ||
| These people that Alex is talking about. | ||
| And let's pause. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex doesn't have people pulling over all the time and yelling at him that they want to kill Klaus Schwab. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's incredibly murderous, right? | ||
| Stopping your car and yelling at Alex Jones? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Going out of your way? | ||
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Hey, roll down the window. | |
| Roll down the window. | ||
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I want to kill Klaus Schwab! | |
| Maybe, maybe a honk or two. | ||
| You know, honk once for kill Klaus Schwab, honk twice for keep him alive. | ||
| What if you replace your horn with, I will not eat the bugs? | ||
| I will not eat the bugs! | ||
| So, this is a good headspace. | ||
| There's a story that's been going on through Alex's show over the last couple days, and that's the story about Google's AI, the Gemini. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You heard about this? | ||
| Sorry, Johnny. | ||
| Did you hear about this? | ||
| Did you hear about that? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Yeah, I've heard about Gemini. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Oh, no, it made everybody black. | ||
| Yeah, it made everybody black for a day and everybody went insane. | ||
| Not exactly that, but yes, generally. | ||
| So this is a huge story for Alex, and basically the way it's being told is that Google is trying to erase white people from the internet. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| How do you not just go, well, isn't that fun? | ||
| So Alex talks about this a bit here. | ||
| AI didn't just erase white people overnight on Google with 92% of world searches. | ||
| They stole the identity of white people. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| America is now black. | ||
| That doesn't help black people to steal his identity. | ||
| You tried to search the engine and turn Shaka Zulu into a white person, you couldn't. | ||
| Why are they doing it? | ||
| To enrage and piss off white people like we're a giant prison and put us all in our own sexes? | ||
| Why does it piss you off? | ||
| It should be a bigger question. | ||
| Instead of us agreeing on a set of facts and freedoms, in a constitutional republic, in a limited democracy where the minority as well as the majority are protected, this is psychological warfare. | ||
| Next level. | ||
| So this is the big narrative that's guiding Alex's coverage at the present. | ||
| It's about Google's AI called Gemini, which had some problems with their image generation system. | ||
| It was launched, and then they had some parameters for generation that were meant to address inherent biases in the data that the AI was pulling from. | ||
| Of primary importance for our purposes, they were aware that the overwhelming amount of data they were pulling from was from the United States and Europe, but that their user base was global. | ||
| So they wanted to make the people that were generated from prompts more diverse than they might have been just based on the data set that the AI was pulling from. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| This went a little off track because an anti-wokeness crusader on Twitter tried to generate a picture of the founding fathers and they were not white people, which of course means that Google and the globalists are trying to erase white people from the internet. | ||
| And trying to rewrite history so you think that white people never existed. | ||
| I think this is my favorite. | ||
| This is 100% only important if you are a white supremacist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| You may think that you're angry about this for any other reason, but anybody who is not a white supremacist went, huh, that's it. | ||
| That's the whole thing? | ||
| That's what they did. | ||
| They went, huh, that's it. | ||
| My response was, what's going on there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm curious about what happened, and then you learn what happened. | ||
| It's like, oh, that's understandable. | ||
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I get it. | |
| That happens, yeah. | ||
| So the problem that Gemini... | ||
| I had with its programming. | ||
| It was that they didn't specify when a generated person was arbitrary and when it wasn't. | ||
| For instance, when you're talking about specific people, it doesn't make sense that the output would differ from the actual person. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But when you're asking for a general prompt like people walking down the street, it is fairly arbitrary what race the people are and what they might be. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So long story short, because they messed that up, Alex and his buddies have been screaming about how this proves that white genocide is here. | ||
| image generation was taken down to be retooled, but the damage is mostly done in terms of the propaganda games. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's fairly simple. | ||
| They were like, hey, we've seen every other AI do that thing where it's like, generate people, and they're white people. | ||
| And it's like, generate people who are being arrested. | ||
| And then they're black people. | ||
| And you're like, I know exactly what you guys are doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So then they were like, let's not do that this time. | |
| And instead, they got black George Washington. | ||
| And I'm all for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| That is such a very understandable way. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Hopefully fix, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| It will always be branded as a white genocide AI generator to people like Alex. | ||
| I mean, what's so fun about it is it truly is a stark comparison of just like, either you understand and look through that and realize that skin color is nothing, and if an AI just goes people and it could be anybody, you should probably think in your head, oh, it could be anybody. | ||
| Or you go, well... | ||
| That is clearly trying to destroy the white race. | ||
| And I think you've proven who you are! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I never use the tool myself, and I don't trust most of the random stuff I see posted on Twitter, because a lot of that shit's fake. | ||
| But a lot of the anti-woke folk were claiming that you couldn't get Gemini to generate a picture of a white person. | ||
| And this is something that Alex is repeating. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't believe this is true. | ||
| And the Washington Post reported, quote, before Google blocked the image generation feature Thursday morning, Gemini produced white people for prompt input by a Washington Post reporter asking to show a beautiful woman, a handsome man, a social media influencer, an engineer, a teacher and a gay couple. | ||
| Google is used in approximately 92% of searches on the web, but they didn't erase white people from Google, even if you want to pretend that they erased them from this image generator. | ||
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Right. | |
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is really great for Alex, though, and you can tell he's in a great mood about it. | ||
| This show primarily runs on the fuel of white victimhood, and this narrative plays into that perfectly. | ||
| Alex has spent a lot of his show yelling about this, Considering covering it more, but honestly, there's not much else to say about it other than this Gemini was programmed poorly in a very specific and understandable way they're now trying to address. | ||
| Alex and his ilk are exploiting that error that Google made in order to validate their addictive fears that they're under attack because they're white. | ||
| That's all that's going on. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and again, just the level of freakout at the mere whiff of white not being default. | ||
| Like, the level of insanity that can be responded to just because of the idea. | ||
| Like, what if there was just black Google, where the first image that showed up was just a black version of whatever you Googled? | ||
| Like, they couldn't even handle that, and it's not even real! | ||
| No, Alex would... | ||
| Insane! | ||
| Yeah, they would lose their fucking minds. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So Alex wants to talk about this and the fact that all of his friends want to kill Klaus Schwab and all them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the victories. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so he's going to go on Twitter, he's going to go on Spaces, and open up the floor to people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The first person... | ||
| Ed fucking Kreisenstein. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| It's the other Kreisenstein. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| The other time there was a space is Brian Kreisenstein was the first one. | ||
| And now Ed. | ||
| They're just like haunting this. | ||
| What do we got to do to get these guys out? | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| So I'm not going to play any of that. | ||
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Yay! | |
| But he is defending... | ||
| That's legitimately some of the best news I've ever heard. | ||
| He's defending the AI generator, and it's not like an attack on white people. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, because, yeah. | ||
| But Alex is not down with that. | ||
| Because obviously. | ||
| He's not down with that. | ||
| And because this Google AI generator was an attack on white people, and it is part of white genocide, he must insist. | ||
| That Elon Musk needs to now put out a search engine that will take over for Google. | ||
| It was programmed. | ||
| We know how AI works. | ||
| My God, you put in it what you want. | ||
| They had to tell them no white people. | ||
| I mean, this is a giant troll by Google. | ||
| The question is, why are they doing it? | ||
| What comes out of this? | ||
| They shouldn't have 90 plus percent of the search results. | ||
| I don't just want Elon Musk to launch in his search system. | ||
| There should be 50 big search engines. | ||
| But yeah, I have a lot more confidence in Musk than I do in Google. | ||
| Please, Elon, launch your search system. | ||
| Please! | ||
| Good God, we need it right now. | ||
| Google is pure evil. | ||
| Google is absolutely anti-human scum. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if some alien from Mars is running it. | ||
| I mean, they're so anti-civilization. | ||
| I would be. | ||
| I would be surprised if it was an alien from Mars. | ||
| I'll explain something right now. | ||
| I had the Globals try to hire me $20 million a year, all the jobs, all the offers. | ||
| I had Kisses try to hire me. | ||
| Was it from Mars? | ||
| I told them to screw you because they wanted to control me. | ||
| A little speedy, Alex. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| I think Elon Musk can say whether he's good or bad. | ||
| That's up to him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not God. | ||
| But he's doing irrevocable damage, reaching hundreds of millions of people a day per tweet, per post, wrecking them with stuff like this. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So, I'm glad Google overplayed their hand with the AI image generator as it made their insane racist anti-civilization programming clear to all. | ||
| I couldn't write that that good. | ||
| It's the truth. | ||
| And you can say Elon Musk is a bad person. | ||
| Well, he shits anti-New World Order resistance. | ||
| He shits victory. | ||
| So I'm not going to sit there when coming out of his ass's victory and bitch about it. | ||
| Maybe he's bad. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he's super smarter than all of us. | ||
| He's got some master plan to screw us. | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| All I know is... | ||
| He is the number one, even above Trump, wrecking ball right now on the anti-human, anti-civilization dickheads that don't want humans to do crazy stuff, don't want us to go to space, say we're all crap, get rid of us. | ||
| No, I don't believe in that, and neither does Elon Musk. | ||
| And he's putting his money where his mouth is. | ||
| So I'm glad to be attacked by all the grandpas and everybody else that's purer than thou to say Elon Musk is the frickin' devil. | ||
| You judge a tree by its fruits, and Elon Musk is wrecking their world. | ||
| So yeah, he likes Elon Musk quite a bit. | ||
| Swearing a bit. | ||
| He's off the chain here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm interested in how people can interpret Elon Musk's behavior as anything other than that of a spoiled child. | ||
| A very, very stupid one. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Hateful, in many ways. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| Spoiled child. | ||
| Very strange that people can lionize that. | ||
| Well, I think it's because it's targeted at the people that Alex wants to target. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so it's super convenient to have the amount of power that Elon Musk does have aimed in the direction that he wants it to be, as opposed to the possibility that it could be aimed against him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely true. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pick a billionaire. | ||
| I found this to be, first of all, just a little bit sad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Second, I feel bad for Tucker. | ||
| He's no longer the most important man in the world, if you're listening to this. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It does seem like Elon Musk is now the most important man in the world. | ||
| Tucker, I mean, he did the interview with Putin. | ||
| Alex has not really dwelled on it that much. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think it might have diminished things a little, because Putin said... | ||
| Tucker was weak. | ||
| Now, and I'm going to say this because, and I don't know if people in Alex's orbit are capable of recognizing a pattern, but generally speaking, he likes to trade up if possible. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Like, oh, Rogan's a pretty big deal. | ||
| Aha, now I got Tucker talking my shit. | ||
| Oh, Tucker's a pretty big deal. | ||
| Not as big deal as Elon fucking billionaire-ass-I-owned Twitter Musk. | ||
| I mean, I'm just never going to call it. | ||
| And the issue, too, is that you have to recognize that these things are so shifting. | ||
| The sands are shifting. | ||
| And based on Alex's own career and history, he's turned on... | ||
| Joe, before? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Eventually he's gonna turn on Musk. | ||
| Everyone does. | ||
| They turn on these figures constantly because... | ||
| This is based on expedience. | ||
| It's based on what's useful in the moment. | ||
| And eventually, it's going to be way more useful to hate Elon Musk and just get there already. | ||
| But, I mean, even then, it's also attention-based. | ||
| So it's like, once Elon Musk is no longer showing up at the spaces, Alex goes, Oh, Elon Musk sucks and I hate him! | ||
| And then Elon Musk feels like he has to show up at the space because people have to reward bad behavior, and that is the basis of Alex's career. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| But someone shows up at the spaces. | ||
| And this person is critical of Elon Musk. | ||
| Does Ed Krasenstein have a sock puppet account, too? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| But this person is critical of Alex, and Alex is a little defensive. | ||
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The reason I wanted to hop on this and talk with y 'all is because I was curious. | |
| I haven't really heard anybody push back against Elon, and here's the thing. | ||
| He's always a strong advocate about AI and the security around it. | ||
| However, now he's got X, which is great. | ||
| It's a free speech platform, or at least it seems like it is a little bit. | ||
| But now he's got this huge data set from all the information that Twitter has gained over the years from all of its users. | ||
| And then he's dressing up in a devil costume for Halloween. | ||
| He's got a global Internet. | ||
| He's putting brain chips in people's brains. | ||
| He's got XAI now. | ||
| It seems like to me, out of all the people that are dealing with AI, he seems like the person that we should be questioning. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| It seems like he's on the side for good right now, but I don't see anybody calling him out. | ||
| How do you hold those in your brain simultaneously, sir? | ||
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Like, he's wearing a Baphomet costume. | |
| It's a suit of armor made of leather. | ||
| I mean, it's just throwing up some red flags. | ||
| I mean, it seems like he's a white hat. | ||
| Seems like he's trying to do the right thing. | ||
| Yeah, well, my job is not defending that. | ||
| It was Halloween. | ||
| And I dressed up, you know, like a vampire on Halloween. | ||
| You're a Nazi on Halloween. | ||
| You dressed up like a Nazi. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We're a Nazi helmet. | ||
| I mean, I hear you. | ||
| I absolutely hear you. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, then listen, we should just put Twitter back. | ||
| You see, hold on. | ||
| We're going to get on a break. | ||
| I'm going to come back to you, but should we just hand it back to where it was? | ||
| Maybe we should. | ||
| Maybe he should sell X and just get out of it. | ||
| We'll censor everybody. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| That's, like, again, that's a child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this caller is asking, like, obviously is a little out there, and he's definitely conspiracy-minded and what have you. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| But in terms of what he's bringing to the table, it is a sensible thought within this context. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We should be concerned about this stuff. | ||
| We have been trained to be conspiracy theorists. | ||
| These are the subjects of many of our conspiracy theories. | ||
| We have this weirdo billionaire who's pushing all this stuff. | ||
| Who's the guy you've been warning us about? | ||
| It seems like we should be upset and worried about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex's response is like, oh, maybe we should censor everybody again. | ||
| It's like, that's not even a real response to what this guy is saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're treating the idea of criticizing Elon Musk in any way as some kind of like... | ||
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Awful. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Awful thing to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it is... | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It is one of the more infuriating aspects of the American, like, team sport element of just, like... | ||
| I understand your criticism, and maybe it's even valid, but now's not the time, because we're busy fighting those fucks. | ||
| So bother with them, okay? | ||
| Don't worry about, yeah, Elon wants to put a chip inside the nape of your neck, and then he'll be able to control your thoughts. | ||
| But that's because you're a loser! | ||
| Sure, he dresses up like the devil, and apparently we're unhappy about that. | ||
| That's a real problem for us. | ||
| Well, obviously, I mean, like, obviously that level of thing, because the globalists speak in hidden... | ||
| messages and all this shit. | ||
| So, of course, a Halloween costume is a subtle revealing of intentions and it's predictive programming. | ||
| No, here's the problem. | ||
| Here's the problem with us and our lives and what we've done to our brains is when he said that, I was like, that's a good point. | ||
| He does dress like Baphomet. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Can't escape that. | ||
| That counts in this world. | ||
| So Alex goes to break, and he comes back. | ||
| He is just intensely defensive because of his collar. | ||
| It's not about Elon Musk. | ||
| It's about me, as always. | ||
| He's reaching hundreds of millions of people a day, conservatively. | ||
| Each tweet like 50 million or more, 80 million? | ||
| Some 300 million? | ||
| And he's doing stuff that we fought for generations to expose, and it's devastating. | ||
| And populism's exploding. | ||
| So to me, the ongoing purity, or like the Pharisee thing of like, oh, he's not perfect. | ||
| Oh, he wasn't around 20 years ago doing this, so we don't trust him. | ||
| Forget Elon Musk. | ||
| He's putting stuff out right now that hurts the globalists. | ||
| Yeah, the... | ||
| Neuralink, and he wants to dominate every technology thing. | ||
| My job is not to be an Elon Musk apologist. | ||
| That's why I'm apologizing. | ||
| When I'm watching Coffin Nails, I mean, I'm watching Devastating, and I'm seeing the awakening, and I'm seeing the world change, and I'm going to sit there and bitch like I'm some Puritan? | ||
| And then say, oh, well, I don't trust you, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| What does that have to do with it? | ||
| Everything? | ||
| When Elon Musk is devastating the current global structure, maybe he wants to take it over. | ||
| Maybe he's a bad guy. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What? | ||
| No! | ||
| What? | ||
| No! | ||
| Absolutely not! | ||
| A little less talk, a little more action. | ||
| A little more satisfaction. | ||
| I'm getting nothing but satisfaction from Elon Musk right now. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| So this is pathetic. | ||
| Alex is hand-waving away Neuralink when his principles should tell him that this is the mark of the fucking beast. | ||
| This is just pathetic. | ||
| There's no other word that I can find that fits this. | ||
| But you can see very easily here how Alex's world is based on convenience and on utility. | ||
| Right now, Elon is a very useful thing for him. | ||
| He's allowed Alex back on Twitter, where he can spread misinformation so much easier than he could before, and he can even monetize it. | ||
| Plus, Elon was on that space with Alex, which gives Alex the appearance of proximity to one of the richest people in the world. | ||
| that Alex does, so Elon's tweets work as de facto advertisements or endorsements for Alex's show, whether they're intended to be or not. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Alex loves that and needs that, so it doesn't matter. | |
| He wants to put chips in people's heads. | ||
| He wants self-driving cars. | ||
| He's running an AI off the giant worldwide social media platform that he bought and has government contracts that give him incredibly outsized... | ||
| He's the person that Alex has warned about for all of his career. | ||
| But there's one thing that gets in the way, which is that hating him would be inconvenient for Alex at the moment. | ||
| He's clearly just back on Twitter because of Elon's whim, so Alex has to know that if he started being really critical of him, it would be just as easy for Elon to kick him back off. | ||
| Alex is a fool and doesn't see that this is going to be a bad road for him in the long term. | ||
| His audience is already skeptical of Musk, and they aren't going to become less so because he's who they've been trained to be suspicious of. | ||
| Alex had many of the – he can have as many of these defensive-ass whiny, but I like him diatribes as he wants, but it won't change the fact that David Icke is taking the correct position in terms of this issue from a conspiracy business standpoint. | ||
| Alex is just – there's something going on here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but there's something. | ||
| I mean, part of me says, is this just accidental transference? | ||
| Like, Alex is looking at a gigantic baby behaving the way Alex behaves, who is the most rich man? | ||
| So, for people to criticize him is for people to de facto criticize Alex. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Is it that psychologically bad? | ||
| Let's hear the next clip. | ||
| Let's just say this. | ||
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Fine. | |
| Elon Musk should be deposed. | ||
| He should take all of his products. | ||
| He should give all his wealth to George Soros. | ||
| No, I'm serious. | ||
| I'm going to say it right now. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'm purer than all of you. | ||
| Elon Musk should be arrested, all of his companies taken, given to George Soros. | ||
| He should be publicly executed. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| I am the pure one. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Elon's the bad guy. | ||
| He should be arrested by George Soros. | ||
| And executed by Alexander Soros on national TV and hung. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'm better than all of you now. | ||
| Elon Musk is bad. | ||
| Elon Musk is the devil. | ||
| Elon Musk is Satan. | ||
| Elon Musk must be destroyed. | ||
| Now I'm purer than all of you. | ||
| Of course, I don't mean that. | ||
| That's your career. | ||
| It's mental illness. | ||
| It is mental illness when people actually oppose something to then claim, oh, it's a trick. | ||
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He's freaking destroying them! | |
| This is what we've been waiting for. | ||
| Joe Rogan's not real. | ||
| He's in control. | ||
| I know him 25 years. | ||
| I've taken acid with him. | ||
| I've been to 50 years with him. | ||
| He's real. | ||
| I'm sick of everyone claiming there isn't reality. | ||
| I'm real, people. | ||
| Let me tell you what the Elon thing was making. | ||
| I know I'm real, man. | ||
| I love humanity. | ||
| I love freedom. | ||
| I want to expand the planet. | ||
| I don't want to fuck everybody. | ||
| And I've got to hear all day how I'm run by the government. | ||
| That's bullshit! | ||
| And so I kind of take the Elon thing and go, maybe he's like me. | ||
| Maybe he really does want to challenge this. | ||
| And his actions do it. | ||
| So why are we pissing on it? | ||
| I'm sick of it. | ||
| I'm pissed now, man. | ||
| I am just beyond... | ||
| I am so... | ||
| We are so close to victory. | ||
| And these people are in the way because they don't want to win. | ||
| Yeah, you might have been on to something. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There might be a little something there. | ||
| You know, a lot of people think you need a psychology degree, and I disagree. | ||
| I think you just need to listen to several thousand hours of one person talking. | ||
| You will know what's going on. | ||
| Someone who has no self-control and is often impaired on air. | ||
| Yeah, I think you can get a good sense of... | ||
| You don't need the degree. | ||
| I was pretty shocked that he said that, though, because he's taken criticism of Elon Musk personally because... | ||
| His perspective is wrapped up in fucked up feelings that he has about how people don't believe in him enough. | ||
| He's projecting that onto Elon, so anytime people are criticizing him, it's a criticism of Alex himself. | ||
| That's really messed up. | ||
| You should not listen to this person. | ||
| You shouldn't do that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If you're Alex, you shouldn't do that, and once you know Alex is doing that, you definitely shouldn't listen to him. | ||
| That clip is some of the most mopey, defensive shit you can imagine. | ||
| Alex is basically making a mockery of the idea of criticizing Elon and then once he gets through that he gets himself mad about the idea of people criticizing him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like it's the part that's really sad is the constant need to pretend that he's not being an apologist for Musk when that's literally what he's doing in all of these petulant rants. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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That's the entire thing. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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He said Elon is what we've been watching. | |
| I mean, it is such that... | ||
| I understand that that's That would be an irrational position itself, but it's what they should think. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| Like I said, oh, you're wearing Baphomet clothing on Halloween? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's the world we're in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if I think that Alex has any kind of financial arrangement with being on Twitter. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know that, and I don't want to speculate that that is the case because... | ||
| There's other explanations that do make sense. | ||
| When I say that there's something going on here, one element of it is this projecting himself onto Elon Musk, and this psychological entanglement, or whatever it is. | ||
| There's that, and that's fucked up. | ||
| That's personal. | ||
| And then, I think that Alex, he's started to get to a point where he's... | ||
| Back to being heavily addicted to social media and the endorphins that you get from posting racist memes and then people liking them. | ||
| I think he's an addict who just can't get off. | ||
| You get the imagined effect of like, we're reaching millions and millions of people. | ||
| A lot of that's bots, and most of them are shitheads who already agree with you. | ||
| You're not really having advocacy in any real way. | ||
| I want to ask you this question. | ||
| I want to ask you this question, not because you know the answer, obviously, but just as a speculative question. | ||
| Do you think on some subconscious level they are aware that part of why they can support Elon so wholeheartedly is because he's a failure and nothing he does will succeed? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He doesn't make good cars, and that's supposedly what he's great at. | ||
| And then he does everything else. | ||
| His shit in space explodes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whatever he's done with Twitter is great. | ||
| He tried to build that tunnel to nowhere. | ||
| There was a big circle he was going to build to nowhere. | ||
| He had the flamethrower. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, he's an idiot and a failure in every possible way. | ||
| He's just a good con man. | ||
| I think some of that might be, like, a game-recognized game thing. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I think that another part is, like... | ||
| This world is so fine with being wrong, because you just pretend you were right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, like, you can build somebody up, and then, like, if you need to, uh-oh, they're a big villain now. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, Steve Pachenik was the greatest expert in everything. | ||
| He changed the world. | ||
| He single-handedly took down the Soviet Union, and then... | ||
| He got out of line with the 2020 election narratives, and Alex's like, yeah, I guess he's back to working for the CIA. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You know, like, there isn't a problem now that he's a villain. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| And Alex can take stuff like he said in that clip, where he's like, yeah, alright, Elon Musk should be investigated, take away all his companies. | ||
| He could take that out of context if you ever need to make Elon into a villain. | ||
| He could be like, I told you, I warned you that there was a danger here. | ||
| I told you I was pure! | ||
| I even said it! | ||
| Even though I was being sarcastic, now I was... | ||
| You can rewrite a fair amount of this the same way Alex has done with his 9-11 prediction and all this stuff. | ||
| So there isn't really a danger in building someone up in order to eventually turn against them. | ||
| I think what's so fun about that... | ||
| Honestly, we were at our non-brunch, we were talking about that Superman kryptonite thing, and that is their superpower. | ||
| There's no way to break through their ability to just rewrite history whenever they want. | ||
| Yeah, and pretend. | ||
| Yeah, there's no kryptonite where you just go... | ||
| Ah, now you have to look at the real world in all its terrible glory, and you can never look back, you know? | ||
| You can illustrate these things, and then it'll make some impact, but it doesn't really cut through. | ||
| It just washes away, yeah. | ||
| So, we get another person from Twitter. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And here's the reason that I decided to do this interview, or this episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is because we had a dangling thread from a recent episode that we didn't have an agreement about, and that was... | ||
| Did Elon call in? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Was the Dittman guy the Dittman guy? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, guess who shows up? | ||
| Dittman's here, of course. | ||
| Dittman shows up. | ||
| Dittman's here. | ||
| Adrian Dittman. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And whether it's Elon Musk or ten other groups, nobody has created a really open, independent engine yet. | ||
| It needs to be done. | ||
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Couldn't agree more. | |
| Thanks. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Love you. | ||
| Chase is up next. | ||
| Let's go to Adrian Dittman. | ||
| Adrian, go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say about this. | ||
| Hey, what's up, you guys? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, really weird stuff, especially in the news cycle. | ||
| I mean, I was in the news cycle, I think, for a better part of almost three days. | ||
| There's like this, it's kind of funny, it all started with a troll account, basically claiming some nonsense stuff. | ||
| And then deactivating the cells to do rage farming, and then having that be misinterpretedly spread by the Daily Mail to literally every single news organization nationwide in America, except for CBS and others, the major ones. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| And just basically spread the information everywhere on the Internet. | ||
| It was the most funniest shit ever. | ||
| And so... | ||
| The AI aspect of this, I'll get to that in a bit, because this actually manipulates data sets as well, because some AI is being trained on, say, news reports from these various places, because people seem to think that these are reputable in some capacity or another. | ||
| I'd like to question that at some point, because I think I've definitely earned the right to say I have first-hand experience in saying that whatever they identify as, quote, reputable sources is highly questionable, because the information that was pumped out and distributed about me, Was so unequivocally false that basically the articles themselves and the repetition of those in verbatim was about 80% false. | ||
| And none of them reached out to ever try and even to the remotest amount of adjustment to their articles and to their publications. | ||
| I'm there on X. I'm basically there, right? | ||
| My DMs are activated. | ||
| You can say, hey, we need to talk to you. | ||
| We have a problem here. | ||
| Is this true? | ||
| They never bothered to issue any correction. | ||
| They never bothered to actually contact me regarding this. | ||
| I contacted them. | ||
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I said, here, adjust your bullshit. | |
| That's what I said. | ||
| I messaged the Daily Mail and said, hey, fix my article. | ||
| And then they said, okay, here, we made some adjustments. | ||
| Would you like anything else? | ||
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I didn't respond to that because I'm like, fuck you. | |
| You ought to have done that way before asking me because the information is clearly out there. | ||
| It should also familiarize itself with the functions of the platform that you're shitting on before you shit on it, because you could probably do so more creatively. | ||
| What I'm not entirely sure of was the intent behind this and why they did this, because I'm not sure this was supposed to have some sort of negative effect on me, but the inverse is true. | ||
| It had the most positive effect on me. | ||
| So this is a highly suspicious beginning to the call for a number of reasons. | ||
| The first and most obvious reason is that Alex is just letting this guy swear like crazy on the show, which is supposedly on hundreds of radio stations. | ||
| I know Alex was swearing a little bit earlier, but that's different. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| That's completely different, yeah. | ||
| Alex would literally never let a caller do this, and he would have hung up on people who said shit or fuck, but here he is just letting Adrian go. | ||
| That tells me that he's very much under the impression that this is Elon. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He still believes that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Now, I have a few problems with this. | ||
| So as it goes, there was an account on Twitter that was making a big deal out of claiming that Adrian Dittman was Elon's burner. | ||
| This is not something that person could necessarily prove, but the anecdotal evidence is fairly compelling. | ||
| After his initial appearance on Infowars, I wouldn't have felt strongly enough to make a big deal out of accusing this account of being Musk, but I could see how someone could arrive there. | ||
| So this account was deactivated. | ||
| I guess there's some dispute about whether they were banned for harassment or if they self-deactivated to make it look like they got banned for calling out Musk's account. | ||
| I have no idea what happened there, and I don't put enough stock in social media to really care. | ||
| I don't particularly care about Adrian's complaints about the Daily Mail. | ||
| I have a pretty low opinion of that site based on them constantly being used as a source on Infowars because of their sensational headlines and often fairly iffy. | ||
| If you've got a problem with them... | ||
| You got a bigger problem. | ||
| Well, yeah, your problems with the Daily Mail, so is the rest of the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, of course, yeah. | ||
| I have a few problems, though, and they have to do with this clip. | ||
| The first is that Adrian is not at all acknowledging that the last time he was on the show, Alex directly and emphatically said that it was Musk, who was using a fake account for plausible deniability. | ||
| Right. | ||
| David Icke said that the InfoWars producers told him during the break that it was definitely Musk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he's mad at the Daily Mail for their article, then he should have more of a problem with Alex. | ||
| And somehow doesn't. | ||
| Which is selective and strange. | ||
| Elon Musk is certainly somebody who has a bone to grind with the mainstream media. | ||
| Still not evidence. | ||
| Still not, but sus. | ||
| It is there. | ||
| Now, the second thing I have is a big problem. | ||
| Listen to this part from the end here again. | ||
| I'm pretty sure this is supposed to have some sort of negative effect on me, but... | ||
| Why is Adrian saying this coverage and the guy on Twitter were supposed to have a negative effect on him? | ||
| No one gives a shit about him. | ||
| If he's a real person, no one cares. | ||
| The intent that could possibly be behind accusing this account of being Musk's fake account is to have a negative effect on Musk. | ||
| I still don't know that I would say this is 100% proof that this is Elon, but it seems like that could be a bad slip-up. | ||
| Tying together me and the platform is itself a bad slip-up. | ||
| Like, oh, they're trying to hurt me. | ||
| Learn more about the platform. | ||
| That's associating yourself and the platform. | ||
| But again, that's still not... | ||
| It's not, but it's a data point. | ||
| I think what I find most interesting about this is, obviously, it doesn't matter either way. | ||
| It's a pretend. | ||
| What I find interesting about it is that... | ||
| It doesn't matter even if it is provable that Adrian Dittman is a real person. | ||
| And that moment, on whatever platform, we exist in an era where I can no longer believe what it was. | ||
| Was it him? | ||
| I can't believe you. | ||
| Because it could be an AI. | ||
| An AI is good enough to deepfake that now. | ||
| And if you told me it was that, I don't believe you. | ||
| Because it could be Elon Musk. | ||
| And you can't prove that it's not Elon Musk or an AI or him! | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Now, the only thing that I think that you can take away from this and have some... | ||
| It's like solid realness to is Alex's response to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex believes this to be Musk. | ||
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Right. | |
| And this is relevant because he's been having a breakdown about how, oh, I'm not an apologist for Elon Musk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then Adrian Dittman shows up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he talks to him for a half fucking hour. | ||
| And not only that. | ||
| But Adrian Dittman is himself obviously claiming not to be Elon Musk. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In an interview with someone who is clearly saying, you are Elon Musk. | ||
| Well, Alex does say in this one he's not Elon Musk. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But there is kind of a feeling of, like, he's winking about it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's kayfabe. | ||
| You can never, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So Alex thinks that this crossing the Rubicon has happened with Google Gemini. | ||
| Because they're trying to erase white people. | ||
| Do people not know what crossing the Rubicon is supposed to mean? | ||
| I think Alex does. | ||
| I think he means it to be war. | ||
| It's war. | ||
| We're fighting a war. | ||
| Or we're being taken over by a fascist. | ||
| Every lie can be stretched to a certain extent up until it rips. | ||
| And I think we've reached a point where the tensile strength of the lie and the context you can put within it simply doesn't hold anymore and just explodes before all our eyes. | ||
| So I think we're very close to this, if not already here, where we're seeing the first fibers in the fabric rip. | ||
| I totally agree, Adrian. | ||
| I want to hear this. | ||
| I said this at the start of my show. | ||
| This is crossing the Rubicon. | ||
| The tipping point has happened. | ||
| With this Google erasing white people thing as Beyond Bud Light, they crossed a Rubicon is what I'm seeing. | ||
| What do you say to that? | ||
| Beyond Bud Light! | ||
| Fuck it out! | ||
| I was laughing about this. | ||
| It was so funny. | ||
| I saw this earlier. | ||
| I was thinking to myself, you know, this is actually kind of funny because... | ||
| We were theorizing, me and a few other people were theorizing about this in space a very long time ago. | ||
| We're saying, you know, if you can control the data set, you control reality, right? | ||
| Because the thing that the AI outputs is taken by the majority is fact, much like anyone else would look at a legacy media publication, right? | ||
| This is why it is so effective. | ||
| And so we sat there and we thought about how exactly could you, say, make an AI do some really terrible things without anyone actually noticing? | ||
| Well, of course, control the data set. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Adrian's someone who's spending a lot of time theorizing about AI. | ||
| The idea of a person who is aware enough to recognize that they have been given fame and what comes with that is a modicum of power on a social media platform. | ||
| Purely either because they are Elon Musk or because it is so mystifying to the rest of the human race that a human being would behave like this. | ||
| Right, and they would have a social media presence that is entirely about kissing Musk's ass and talking about how great his businesses are. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's where the problem comes in. | ||
| That is all behavior that is completely understandable from someone who's just obsessed with Elon Musk. | ||
| There's really two reasons, but how can you not understand that... | ||
| Again, if you're self-aware, how can you not understand? | ||
| It's because people are viewing you, you know? | ||
| Like, this is a freak show. | ||
| This is you being Elon Musk, the person who is behaving like this, and everybody's laughing at you, because as you sit in your cage like a hunger artist, or whatever it is. | ||
| There definitely isn't, like, interest in you for your own sake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There either is interest because people want to pretend or do think that you're Elon Musk, or it's that sideshow version of the thing that you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, it's sideshow shit. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It is like you're not being treated as a human. | ||
| Can you believe that this guy sounds exactly like Elon Musk? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely be a human! | ||
| I would be furious to not be treated as a human being, and he seems to be leaning into it, or he is Elon Musk! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's tough. | ||
| See, here's one of the things that I wrestle with, is that leaning into it is an instinct that mostly derives from some kind of ego, some sort of pursuit of ego. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, I don't pretend to be an expert. | ||
| I don't know about this guy. | ||
| But I looked at his Twitter feed when I was preparing the last episode, and it doesn't feel like a guy who's obsessed with ego. | ||
| It's all about Elon Musk. | ||
| So, like, to me, it doesn't feel like, you know... | ||
| Wanting to lean into this kind of attention towards yourself doesn't necessarily track with what I... | ||
| It doesn't seem like this person's a narcissist or driven that direction. | ||
| No, I can absolutely 100% reasonably see a person who is analogous to the person who collects every single Simpsons figurine that's ever been made. | ||
| Just like, this is a person who is obsessed with this thing, and I understand that this is unusual and more extreme for people, I mean, you know, you're not harming anybody. | ||
| You're not doing anything. | ||
| You're just obsessed with this thing. | ||
| Well, but there's a lot of people who are obsessed with Elon Musk. | ||
| Yeah, this is a little bit of... | ||
| He has a very strange fan base. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This is weird. | ||
| So I was looking at this interview because on our last time we talked about this, you were pretty certain it was Elon Musk. | ||
| I talked shit. | ||
| I mean, now it doesn't matter to me. | ||
| It does have a very big, it doesn't matter, except for how Alex is experiencing this. | ||
| Exactly, yes. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But it is still an interesting question. | ||
| True. | ||
| And so as I was going through this, I was like... | ||
| Alright, I'm going to pay attention and try to figure out where there are times where it's like, this seems like Musk, and there's times where this definitely doesn't seem like him. | ||
| And I will say that there were way more instances where it's like, this feels like it's you on Musk. | ||
| It feels more Musk-y than... | ||
| There's a lot of Musk in the air, if you will. | ||
| Yeah, because there's things like this. | ||
| Thinking about the multiple CEOs that have talked to me within the last couple of weeks, basically explaining to me their problems with, say, these kinds of standards, right? | ||
| Having to hire people... | ||
| Based on anything else other than merit, which is very, very damaging to the company, you cannot give them bad positions because then it's obvious that you're just a diversity hire, right, for instance. | ||
| And so damages are being created regardless of what is happening. | ||
| And this is quite sad. | ||
| This is quite unfortunate. | ||
| I mean, sure, you could definitely pull it off to hire diverse people. | ||
| I certainly talk with people who are exceedingly diverse. | ||
| I know several individuals that are, for instance, trans. | ||
| That doesn't really cross my mind most of the time because we're just sitting there and we're building cool shit. | ||
| I don't really care, and they don't really care about my stuff either. | ||
| We just look at the information that we generate, and we look at that as the only thing that really matters, and that's what I think humans should go for because you ought to be able to choose whatever it is that you want. | ||
| It's just that you shouldn't make anyone else choose what it is that you are. | ||
| Just because you think that what you are is the truest form of the self, right, based on some sort of thing. | ||
| I was thinking that today, Adrian. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You can be who you want. | ||
| Don't try to make other people be that. | ||
| Well, Alex's definition of freedom sounds pretty great. | ||
| Everyone's free to be themselves, but it doesn't mean that you can force others to be you. | ||
| Unfortunately, if Alex actually followed that as a basis for his definition of freedom, all of his political positions would collapse immediately. | ||
| His worldview is almost wholly based on pursuing policies that require you to adhere to his rules, mostly derived from extreme right-wing white identity Christianity. | ||
| But, why is Adrian talking to so many CEOs? | ||
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I mean, it is like... | |
| I mean, but at the same time, you can absolutely see a person obsessed with social media who becomes a person like role-playing Elon Musk all the time. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Or he could do, like, I know that this guy does spaces. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So maybe he has spaces where he's talked to CEOs or something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that kind of piece of information makes you think, like, that is something Elon would say. | ||
| I've talked to all these CEOs. | ||
| And they hate... | ||
| Affirmative action type things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it just feels so much like not that this person is trolling so much as the present, the future is trolling me of just like, listen. | ||
| It's only going to get worse from here. | ||
| You will only know less. | ||
| Yeah, if it's this impossible to know what's going on, then the future's bleak. | ||
| It's only going to become more impossible to know anything. | ||
| Yeah, you don't need shades, because the future ain't going to be bright. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So Adrian, in this clip, advocates for AI mandatory driving cars. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Which Alex should be fueling. | |
| I think that's also something in the future, by the way, that may become mandated if AI becomes so good. | ||
| that essentially they can replace humans. | ||
| I think it is mandated that you have an AI in your car that is driving for you half the time because it is safer than the actual human being. | ||
| Because humans have weaknesses, there are reaction times that are not sufficient, I think, As opposed to George Washington was black. | ||
| I would make everything slower. | ||
| He screamed about it. | ||
| Things faster on the computer. | ||
| And I basically have the computer drive the car because it can react faster to anything that you can ever even think about. | ||
| By the time it has reacted to a certain situation, it has already seen the outcome and has reacted on your behalf before you can even become aware of anything that's happening. | ||
| So that's a good thing, right? | ||
| AIs and things is a good thing. | ||
| It just depends on how it works. | ||
| All right, Adrian, I've got to take a two-minute break. | ||
| If you can finish up, stay with us. | ||
| If you're going to leave, I understand what we're talking about. | ||
| Weird that Alex wouldn't be mad about that because it's directly opposed to his policies, that's for sure. | ||
| Alex's preferences. | ||
| He just screamed about how AI is getting rid of all white people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And now he's like, but also we should have it in control of the life and death of all white people in the United States. | ||
| All people. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Anyone near a road. | ||
| But I mean, again, he only cares about... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| This is a problem, because this is one of the wedge issues that should be the things that Alex is criticizing Elon Musk about. | ||
| And now you have this Adrian Didman fella expressing Musk's stance on this, and maybe even a little stronger than Musk goes sometimes. | ||
| And Alex is just like, alright, can you talk some more after the break? | ||
| Alright, so imagine... | ||
| Alex and Dittman's realities are both happening simultaneously. | ||
| In five years, every non-white person will wake up to all white people's cars having run into each other and just a massive countrywide blood out of white people gone and they just go, wow, I guess Alex was right. | ||
| That's what we've got. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Alex, I think whatever you think about his, if that's the logical end goal of his predictions. | ||
| I mean, if both of them are true. | ||
| Whatever is true or is not, Alex thinks that this is definitely Elon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, final segment with Adrian Dittman, and then we're going to come back and take some more calls or some more ex-comments here at Real Alex Jones. | ||
| So, thanks for your time, Adrian. | ||
| Anything else you'd like to add to the viewers and listeners out there? | ||
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Yeah, where were we at? | |
| We're just talking about the total sea change happening. | ||
| There's definitely... | ||
| An old system going down, a new system coming in. | ||
| This guy's just supposed to be a caller who's calling in from ex-Twitter spaces. | ||
| This is not supposed to be an interview, but Alex is treating this like an interview because he thinks that it's Elon Musk. | ||
| Yeah, his co-host is Elon Musk now. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| What would you like to say to the listeners and everyone, the ships at sea? | ||
| Yeah, he's doing a show with the richest man on the planet, and that's what he thinks is like, I'm now the most powerful tweeter. | ||
| That's the way that Alex is... | ||
| Experiencing this, and it's pretty clear. | ||
| There's a couple of other instances where there's obvious winks that Alex is doing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But the way that he's treating him, especially as opposed to when you look at the way he's treating these other callers that are just like, hey, great point. | ||
| Gotta go. | ||
| Gotta get to the next guy. | ||
| He talks to him for a half fucking hour. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you... | ||
| That's the thing that I don't get. | ||
| That's my, like... | ||
| That's the line that I can't cross for it not being Elon. | ||
| It's just like, you have to know that the only reason you exist in this space right now, pun absolutely intended. | ||
| Is because people think you are Elon Musk or because you are Elon Musk? | ||
| You are getting the treatment from Alex that you are. | ||
| You're on the show expounding on these beliefs or whatever solely because there's an impression that you're Elon Musk. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's no other aspect of you that is at all meaningful or valuable. | ||
| If you were... | ||
| Just Adrian Dittman, and everyone knew you were Adrian Dittman, and your voice sounded a little bit different. | ||
| Alex would not give a single fuck about you. | ||
| No, it doesn't matter. | ||
| It does not matter. | ||
| He would hear you say that AI should be mandatory in cars, and he would hang the fuck up on you. | ||
| You would say shit or fuck, and you would be gone. | ||
| You'd use the delay button so you don't get in trouble with the channels. | ||
| Yeah, anything short of an engineer, like the only engineer would be an engineer who is literally working on Gemini at this exact time. | ||
| And who is willing to go along with having, like, insider information about it? | ||
| Like, even if it was somebody who worked for Gemini, they'd be like, um, maybe you're wrong. | ||
| And he'd be like, and then hang up. | ||
| Well, Alex, one of the other callers that he gets that we're not going to listen to is Zach Voorhees. | ||
| He was that Google, quote-unquote, whistleblower who worked with Project Veritas. | ||
| And then it came out that he talks frequently about the Zionist-occupied government and other sort of anti-Semitic shit. | ||
| So he's kind of there because it's like... | ||
| Hey, this involves Google. | ||
| Maybe I can get a little bit of traction out of this. | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| Everything on Twitter, it sounds really sad these days. | ||
| Yeah, but here's a good thing about it. | ||
| You can say fuck on there. | ||
| Unlike other places. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I know X is freer because every site I go to won't let me say fuck. | ||
| But when I go to type that on Twitter or X now, it lets me. | ||
| So, obviously, that's been disengaged at X where I can just say what I want. | ||
| Now, that's the Star Trek-ass future we've been looking for. | ||
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You could do that. | |
| I don't think you should do that. | ||
| I think it's a bad idea. | ||
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I'm not saying it's good. | |
| I'm just saying I'm noticing that every platform won't let me say that. | ||
| Not that I need to use that term. | ||
| I'm just saying suddenly I can type that on. | ||
| Because if I'm on Google and I say F-U-C-K, I get duck. | ||
| When I'm on X, I don't get duck. | ||
| I get the other word. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that definitely works on you still. | ||
| It's probably not good for you long-term to swear around on the platform. | ||
| It doesn't lead to our regretted user renters, but you can do whatever it is that you want. | ||
| I mean, if you have enough pull, you can do whatever. | ||
| So the absolute mark of freedom is autofill knowing that you're trying to swear. | ||
| There's a big grown-up kind of thing that's flying around here. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| At the end there, Adrian says that you can say fuck on Twitter and it doesn't lead to, quote, unregretted user minutes. | ||
| That's a very strange phrase. | ||
| It's very specific. | ||
| And it's one that Elon uses to describe the goal of the new version of Twitter. | ||
| When he tweeted, quote, new Twitter will strive to optimize unregretted user minutes on December 29th, 2022. | ||
| Great. | ||
| This is an interesting dilemma that Adrian poses, because the use of that term would lead one very much to think this is definitely Musk under a fake name. | ||
| He's using the same very specific term Musk used to describe time on Twitter. | ||
| But the issue is that Musk's fans are weirdos, and they take the terminology that he uses on. | ||
| They adopt it. | ||
| And if Adrian is a real person, the one thing you can be sure of is that he is an obsessive Elon Musk fan. | ||
| It's unfortunate, because in many situations, this would be a real compelling piece of evidence. | ||
| But in this case, you can really only deduce that this is either Musk or someone who has molded himself around Musk. | ||
| To a degree that the world... | ||
| Takes concerned notice. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| Well, I think the reason the world takes concerned notice isn't because he is a Musk obsessive. | ||
| It's because the implications of it actually being Musk are high. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have this person who is... | ||
| Presumably one of the more powerful people in the world. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Richest person in the world. | ||
| Behaving like this. | ||
| Who's spending his time piling around with Alex spreading bullshit, racist conspiracies. | ||
| Under a fake name. | ||
| On Infowars. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the implication of that actually being him is very serious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No one cares about Adrian Dittman, the person. | ||
| No, this whole thing, it is like, it makes me mad at everybody but... | ||
| Elon Musk and Adrian Dittman, regardless of whether or not they are separate or real, it's just like all of us should know it's... | ||
| We've got too much history. | ||
| We have too much history that we can avail ourselves of at any point in time. | ||
| We should all know, like, oh, okay, we can't engage in this. | ||
| This cannot be engaged in. | ||
| Otherwise, there's just no point. | ||
| And I think that that's part of the reason why I'm doing this, is because I'm not fully engaging with it, but it is interesting to engage with Alex's engagement with it. | ||
| Is he or isn't he is kind of fun to play around with in your head a little bit, but making too strong of a claim either way, I'm not saying that you, like on the last episode you did, you were fucking around. | ||
| I was fucking around, yeah, obviously. | ||
| I didn't know anything or care, yeah. | ||
| But the reality of how Alex takes this is definitely worth noting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because in Alex's mind, he's had Elon now be almost a regular guest on his show. | ||
| I mean, and it might not be, but that it is doesn't matter. | ||
| No, what matters is how Alex is experiencing it and how the audience is meant to experience it. | ||
| Yeah, and the audience... | ||
| The audience is going to behave like Alex, as though it is Elon Musk, so it doesn't even matter if it is or isn't. | ||
| But that could actually break bad for Alex, because that implies more access to Elon Musk, which makes it even more suspicious that Alex isn't asking the kind of questions that the audience has about Elon to him. | ||
| It makes it look like he's covering things up even more. | ||
| So that might be a negative, ultimately, for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, there is a certain part of me that listens to that clip of Alex being like, it's good you can say fuck, and that maybe being Elon Musk. | ||
| And just all of that together makes me feel like, you know, we are returning to the Stone Age. | ||
| Like, we're going to get back there. | ||
| I just typed fuck in Google and it allowed it. | ||
| I don't know what Alex is talking about. | ||
| I think he's just talking about it on his phone. | ||
| Sometimes I'm just so tired. | ||
| And text messages. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's just text messages. | ||
| So Alex throws it to Adrian for the last word. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Because, of course, that's what you do with callers. | ||
| No! | ||
| But we're on hundreds of radio stations, TV stations. | ||
| It's why we have like 12 minutes of ads or whatever it is an hour. | ||
| I apologize for that, but that's the way it is. | ||
| I'm doing more and more shows that are commercial free. | ||
| Adrian Dittman, very popular person on Axe. | ||
| Everybody should follow him. | ||
| I appreciate you holding to the break so you're very busy. | ||
| Any other closing comments you'd like to make? | ||
| Adrian Dittman's busy? | ||
| Are we concerned about... | ||
| Partially, I think what people need to consider is that information warfare is an attack on one's ability to recall and recount history. | ||
| If you can control those aspects, you control everything. | ||
| An attack on one's ability to recall and recount history. | ||
| That sounds exactly like what Alex does. | ||
| It's a very succinct definition of info. | ||
| Well said. | ||
| Also, that part of the beginning isn't Alex apologizing that there are so many commercials. | ||
| He's apologizing to Adrian for having to sit in breaks while he's on the line. | ||
| Alex definitely thinks that this is Elon, so he's imagining that he would be annoyed by the commercial breaks. | ||
| Sorry, sir. | ||
| You have to understand we're on the radio. | ||
| You're a very important man. | ||
| You're so busy. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we have one last clip, and it's Alex inviting himself onto Adrian's show. | ||
| Sure, well, of course. | ||
| Adrian, I would love to come on your show anytime, because I see the great work you do. | ||
| If you'd like to have me on, I'd love to come on and talk about free speech and cancel culture. | ||
| Adrian, thank you so much for the time. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, look, we got... | ||
| And all the hosts that host the Fourth Hour know I take some of their time sometimes, but J. Dyer is really smart. | ||
| He goes off the own source documents to Globalist. | ||
| I don't want to cut it to him, but I promise to get to more of these comments and questions. | ||
| So we'll skip the break coming up. | ||
| We'll skip the next network break so J. Dyer gets more time. | ||
| We'll skip these breaks to make up for the fact that I spent a half hour talking to this guy that I think is Elon Musk. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I'm going to cut into the fourth hour host's time. | ||
| I need to talk to these other people because I would have gotten to them, but the guy that I'm pretending is Elon Musk was here, so that took up half an hour of my time. | ||
| I'm behind. | ||
| Let's go ahead and knock some of these out. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, it really does feel like this is the moment that... | ||
| That we are facing, that we've predicted for the longest time about deepfakes and shit like that. | ||
| This is the true confrontation of it, where it is like, it's not like Obama giving a speech where some people want to believe it or whatever. | ||
| This is Alex 100% believing regardless of its truth or whether it needs to be true. | ||
| That this is Elon Musk. | ||
| And the awareness that we have this technology and stuff makes it so this could conceivably be true or false. | ||
| And it could conceivably be both. | ||
| It could be that Adrian Dittman is a real person that Elon Musk has talked to. | ||
| It is entirely possible that Elon Musk talked to this person and then there is an AI bot that sometimes talks like this. | ||
| It is entirely possible that none of those things are real. | ||
| It is. | ||
| The distance for us is so great. | ||
| We can never truly know. | ||
| There is no ultimate reality to this, which is jarring and difficult. | ||
| Now, I think that the only thing that really drives this into the, ah, we've got to talk about this, is the dynamic that Alex is so defensive about Elon Musk at the beginning of this and people criticizing, like, hey, why are you supporting this? | ||
| Maybe you should be more critical. | ||
| Realizing, or not realizing, accidentally saying, I take criticism of Elon personally, because I look at him and I see me. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| This kind of a breakdown and shit that's going on at the beginning, then fake Elon calls in, and Alex behaves that way. | ||
| It's very much like, he's got problems. | ||
| He's got an Elon problem. | ||
| I would say that it is entirely possible, and, you know, just... | ||
| Yeah, tell me if I'm a little bit off the wrong track. | ||
| Alex might have some daddy issues. | ||
| His dad won't be a guest on the show, so that would be an issue. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| I think that who knows what goes on in the minds of men. | ||
| Anyway, I just wanted to talk about this a little bit, have a little Wacky Wednesday. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's sort of Wacky Wednesday-ish. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back for another episode, but until then, we have a website. | ||
| It is based entirely upon the question of whether or not something is real, so that's very Wacky Wednesday. | ||
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True, true. | |
| And it's either someone who's doing an impression of a human, or it's somebody who, it's a robot. | ||
| Or it's an alien from Mars! | ||
| Could be, could be a Pleiadian. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Blue Sky. | ||
| We are on Blue Sky, it's Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo. | ||
| BZX Clark. | ||
| Beep, beep, boop, beep, beep, boop, boop. | ||
| That's the noise that that alien from Mars would make. | ||
| Beep, boop, boop, boop, beep, boop, boop. | ||
| We know they're talking boobs. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! | |
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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