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Feb. 28, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#904: February 23, 2024

#904: February 23, 2024 dissects Alex Jones’ erratic shifts—from praising Elon Musk as a globalist nemesis to calling him the "devil," then pivoting to AI-driven cars despite anti-white-genocide claims. A caller mimicking Musk’s terminology ("unregretted user minutes") sparks 30-minute engagement, exposing Jones’ obsession with perceived power. The episode ties his contradictions to white identity Christianity, where freedom collapses under his own ideological rules, while tech-driven misinformation (like the Daily Mail’s unverified "burner account" claim) highlights how data manipulation reshapes reality—undermining his own conspiracy theories. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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adrian dittman
05:59
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alex jones
infowars 11:07
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dan friesen
30:11
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jordan holmes
18:30
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish ten color.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I can sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dean.
I have a quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today, Brad?
dan friesen
Hugo.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is very obviously Final Fantasy VII Rebirth coming out on Thursday.
dan friesen
I mean, this is life-altering.
jordan holmes
It's big.
dan friesen
You've been waiting for this for 20-odd years.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the remake was essentially sticking together with the story, adhering to it closely while, you know, opening up the reality that we're going to change.
This is when it finally goes off on its own storyline, the rebirth.
dan friesen
Oh, so it won't follow.
No, it won't feel.
jordan holmes
There might be even a moment that fans are fully aware of.
dan friesen
Sure, I even know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that might not happen.
But nobody knows.
I mean, everybody knows.
dan friesen
I feel like everyone's going to riot if it does or doesn't.
jordan holmes
Or doesn't.
Yeah, either way, you've screwed it for someone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is the last Jedi of choices to make in Final Fantasy.
dan friesen
It's very exciting for you.
I'm happy for you.
You know, it's always, you know, I feel like it would be like for me if how I would feel if a new Donkey Kong country came out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a level of excitement that everybody just needs to respect and be like, hey, you're going to be on one for a bit, and that's okay.
jordan holmes
It is going to be a while.
It is going to be a while.
It's always interesting, too, because, you know, whenever you've played the, I even tried speed running FF7.
So the story I know by heart, you know, to an extent of like being able to recite lines and shit.
So to have a new take on it is like a little fan fiction and a little bit of a, ooh, what canon might available now?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
dan friesen
Sweet.
unidentified
Yep.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yep.
How about you?
What's your bright spot for?
dan friesen
I guess my bright spot is we just went and got brunch and that was nice, but it wasn't brunch.
We just didn't have brunch, but I had some mac and cheese.
jordan holmes
It was good.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was nice to get a little meal.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was nice.
dan friesen
So anyway, Jordan, today is good bright spot.
It was a nice time.
jordan holmes
It was good.
dan friesen
So today we have an episode to go over.
We're not going to hit all the beats of this episode.
I'm going to say that in advance.
We're going to skip over a little bit of stuff because, you know, this is more of a bulletin.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Kind of get this, something happens, and it really feels like we need to chime in, need your take on some things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so we'll go down to business on that, talking about a lot of what happened last Friday on February 23rd.
But before we get to the business of this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
Ooh, that's a great idea.
So first, Kevin Magg.
Thank you so much.
You're an outpolicywalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Ric Flair Woo's in the distance.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy won.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, for John and Eli, keeping it blue in a very red South Dakota.
Thank you so much, Renao Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Michelle from St. Louis has a special interest in the show, Bonanza.
That show is incredibly woke.
Thank you so much.
You're on Owl Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
Most of my bonanza knowledge comes from bonanas for bananas.
I feel like it doesn't seem that woke.
jordan holmes
Every time I hear him say hop sig, I go, not good.
Troublesome.
dan friesen
Treatment of women, a little bit if you're.
jordan holmes
Not great.
Not great.
Well, they're mostly dead.
That's what I found out through the show.
dan friesen
So next, Eddie V says, thank you so much.
And how about that infinite wealth, eh?
Thank you so much.
You're on Owl Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Had a bit of fun.
I think the game seems to have third act problems that has made it so I have a difficulty completing the game.
I haven't finished it.
jordan holmes
Culture in 2024 has third act problems.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, well.
I enjoyed it while I enjoyed it.
I think it was fantastic at the beginning and middle, and then towards the end, I've just sort of trailed off.
jordan holmes
You know, I've never been rewarded for waving to people while walking down the street.
dan friesen
That was a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
That was spectacular.
dan friesen
That was.
jordan holmes
If that's all I got out of it.
dan friesen
And befriending chickens.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
Good times.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We got a technocrat in Nick, Jordan, so thank you so much, too.
I'm sweating in this demon feast.
All the best, Joel.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So on this episode, Alex comes in, and he is happy.
jordan holmes
He's happy.
dan friesen
Victory.
Victory.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
Across the board.
jordan holmes
I feel like that is absolutely not possible.
dan friesen
It's, well, he gets into why he's in this mood.
And it turns out there's some promising poll numbers for Trump.
And so Alex declares that Trump is going to win in a landslide that we haven't seen the likes of since George Washington.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So that's great.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then everybody hates the fucking New World Order.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
And so Alex tells the story of him going to Hawaii, which we know was him.
jordan holmes
Spying on Bill Gates' house.
dan friesen
He said he was on a work trip.
jordan holmes
Or Zuckerberg.
dan friesen
Zuckerberg.
jordan holmes
Zuckerberg, yeah.
dan friesen
He said he was going on a work trip.
That was the excuse for going to Hawaii.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But in this telling of it, he retells the story, and it was a family vacation.
jordan holmes
Oh, he was.
dan friesen
And some weirdo just came up to him and was like, hey, I work at Zuckerberg's compound.
And so then this guy told him stuff about Zuckerberg's compound on how much everybody hates Zuckerberg.
And so that turned it into a work trip, apparently.
jordan holmes
That should be immediately disqualifying.
If you are an InfoWars listener, it shouldn't be about politics.
It shouldn't be about anything.
You should still agree with Alex if your heart desires.
But the moment you found out he was lying about it being a work trip, fuck that guy.
Well, I'm out of here.
dan friesen
I feel like a lot of people can identify with that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Scam and work time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, trying to deduct things that maybe aren't deductible.
dan friesen
I think people can relate.
Fair.
So all the people.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
They want to kill Zuckerberg.
They've got to kill him in that hole.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
When the shit goes down, they're going to get him.
jordan holmes
We're all getting on boats to Hawaii.
dan friesen
It turns out this probably is a big part of Alex's great mood is that everyone keeps telling him they want to kill Alex's enemies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
New World Order, you are completely screwed.
And you know why they all want to kill you?
They know you released the virus.
They know you're driving up the prices.
They know you hate everybody.
They know you treat everybody like crab.
They recognize you as the enemy.
And it's the same thing all over the world.
Everybody hates Klaus Schwab.
Everybody hates Bill Gates.
Everybody hates Jesse Trudeau.
Anybody with a brain hates Barack Obama.
It's over.
Do you understand that I can't walk down the street without people pulling over and telling me they want to kill you?
jordan holmes
Pulling over?
alex jones
That's what the public really tells me.
And I go, no, no, no, we're going to fix this peacefully.
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Why are you saying that?
Two people pulling over.
alex jones
And try to pull on heartstrings and make it look like we're violent to head that off.
That's why we don't want to do that.
dan friesen
Sound violent.
alex jones
We're going to win politically.
But they'll probably push it into full-armed revolt and conflict and then fine.
jordan holmes
They'll push it into a full-arm revolution.
unidentified
But you know what they're going to do?
alex jones
They're going to cut the power.
dan friesen
Ah, yes.
So, yeah, I mean, his people don't like, they don't sound violent.
They just pull over in their vehicles and yell, hey, I want to kill Klaus Schwab at Alex.
That doesn't sound like people who are kind of primarily motivated by violent fantasies.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm going to throw this out at you.
unidentified
Yes.
Okay.
jordan holmes
If you're saying my people are pulling their cars over to tell me how murderous they are, and then you tell me that they, as in the other people, are going to start a conflict.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like that, okay, it's entirely possible that they may technically start a conflict, but I feel like if you don't need to even light the match to have somebody go, yeah, it's on fire, then it's kind of not on you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that, I mean, just a really even simpler thing is: hey, my people seem to be organized around shared violent fantasies.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But we're not violent.
jordan holmes
Nonviolent.
dan friesen
I think that's difficult to square.
I think that everyone would love to kill Klaus Schwab.
These people that Alex is talking about.
And let's pause.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't have people pulling over all the time and yelling at him that they want to kill Klaus Wab.
jordan holmes
That's incredibly murderous, right?
dan friesen
Stopping your car and yelling at Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Going out of your way.
Hey, roll down the window.
unidentified
Roll down the window.
alex jones
I want to kill Klaus Schwab.
unidentified
Maybe, maybe a honk or two.
jordan holmes
And, you know, a honk once for kill Klaus Schwab.
Honk twice for keep him alive.
dan friesen
What if you replace your horn with, I will not eat the bugs.
jordan holmes
I will not eat the bugs.
dan friesen
So this is a good headspace.
Okay.
There's a story that's been going on through Alex's show over the last couple days, and that's the story about Google's AI, the Gemini.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You heard about this?
jordan holmes
Sorry, Johnny.
Did you hear about this?
Did you hear about the AI?
Sorry.
dan friesen
Did you?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've heard about Gemini.
What happened?
dan friesen
Do you heard about it?
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it made everybody black.
Yeah, it made everybody black for a day, and everybody went insane.
dan friesen
Not exactly that, but yes.
You heard about that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So this is a huge story for Alex.
And basically, the way it's being told is that Google is trying to erase white people from the internet.
jordan holmes
I mean, come on.
How do you not just go, well, isn't that fun?
dan friesen
So Alex talks about this a bit here.
alex jones
AI didn't just erase white people overnight on Google with 92% of world searches.
They stole the identity of white people.
Leaf America is now black.
That doesn't help black people to steal his identity.
You tried to search the engine and turn Shakazulu into a white person.
You couldn't.
Why are they doing it?
To enrage and piss off white people like we're a giant prison and put us all in our own search.
jordan holmes
Why does it piss you off?
This should be a bigger question.
alex jones
Instead of us agreeing on a set of facts and freedoms in a constitutional republic, in a limited democracy where the minority as well as the majority are protected, this is psychological warfare.
Next level.
dan friesen
So this is the big narrative that's guiding Alex's coverage at the present.
It's about Google's AI called Gemini, which had some problems with their image generation system.
It was launched, and then they had some parameters for generation that were meant to address inherent biases in the data that the AI was pulling from.
Of primary importance for our purposes, they were aware that the overwhelming amount of data they were pulling from was from the United States and Europe, but that their user base was global.
So they wanted to make the people that were generated from prompts more diverse than they might have been just based on the data set that the AI was pulling.
This went a little off track because an anti-wokeness crusader on Twitter tried to generate a picture of the founding fathers and they were not white people, which of course means that Google and the globalists are trying to erase white people from the internet and trying to rewrite history so you think that white people never existed.
jordan holmes
I think this is my favorite.
This is 100% only important if you are a white supremacist.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, this is, I understand, you may think that you're angry about this for any other reason, but anybody who is not a white supremacist went, ha, that's it.
That's the whole thing.
That's what they did.
They went, ah.
dan friesen
My response was, what's going on there?
Yeah.
I'm curious about what happened.
And then you learn what happened.
It's like, oh, that's understandable.
I get it.
jordan holmes
That happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the problem that Gemini had was with its programming, it was that they didn't specify when a generated person was arbitrary and when it wasn't.
For instance, when you're talking about specific people, it doesn't make sense that the output would differ from the actual person.
But when you're asking for a general prompt like people walking down the street, it is fairly arbitrary what race the people are and what they might be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So long story short, because they messed that up, Alex and his buddies have been screaming about how this proves that white genocide is here.
Gemini's image creation generation was taken down to be retooled, but the damage is mostly done in terms of the propaganda games.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's fairly simple.
They were like, hey, we've seen every other AI do that thing where it's like, generate people and they're white people.
And then it's like, generate people who are being arrested.
And then they're black people.
And you're like, I know exactly what you guys are doing.
So then they were like, let's not do that this time.
And instead, they got black George Washington and I'm all for it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is such a very understandable whoops that the company can make.
And it's a challenge and it's something that they can hopefully fix, but it doesn't matter.
Like, it will always be branded as like a white genocide AI generator to people like Alex.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's so fun about it is it truly is a stark comparison of just like either you understand and look through that and realize that skin color is nothing.
And if an AI just goes people and it could be anybody, you should probably think in your head, oh, it could be anybody.
Or you go, well, that is clearly trying to destroy the white race.
And I think you've proven who you are.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I never used the tool myself, and I don't trust most of the random stuff I see posted on Twitter because a lot of that shit's fake.
But a lot of the anti-woke folk were claiming that you couldn't get Gemini to generate a picture of a white person.
And this is something that Alex is repeating.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't believe this is true.
And the Washington Post reported, quote, before Google blocked the image generation feature Thursday morning, Gemini produced white people for prompts input by a Washington Post reporter asking to show a beautiful woman, a handsome man, a social media influencer, an engineer, a teacher, and a gay couple.
Alex is saying they erased white people from over 92% of searches, and that's a deeply inaccurate and painfully dramatic thing for him to say.
Google is used in approximately 92% of searches on the web, but they didn't erase white people from Google, even if you want to pretend that they erased them from this image generator.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
This is really great for Alex, though, and you can tell he's in a great mood about it.
This show primarily runs on the fuel of white victimhood, and this narrative plays into that perfectly.
Alex has spent a lot of his show yelling about this.
Considering covering it more, but honestly, there's not much else to say about it other than this Gemini was programmed poorly in a very specific and understandable way.
They're now trying to address.
Alex and his ilk are exploiting that error that Google made in order to validate their addictive fears that they're under attack because they're white.
That's all that's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, and again, just the level of freak out at the mere whiff of white not being default.
Like the level of insanity that can be responded to just because of the idea.
Like, what if there was just black Google where the first image that showed up was just a black version of whatever you Googled?
Like, they couldn't even handle that.
And it's not even real.
dan friesen
No, Alex would do it.
jordan holmes
Insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, they would lose their world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to talk about this and the fact that all of his friends want to kill Klash Wab and all them.
And all the victories.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so he's going to go on Twitter.
He's going to go on Spaces and open up the floor to people.
The first person, Ed Kreisenstein.
jordan holmes
What is going on?
dan friesen
It's the other Christ.
The other time there was a Spaces, Brian Christenstein was the first one.
And now Ed.
They're just like haunting this.
jordan holmes
What do we got to do to get these guys out of this?
dan friesen
Oh, it's a mess.
So I'm not going to play any of that.
unidentified
Yay!
dan friesen
But he is defending.
jordan holmes
That's legitimately some of the best news I've ever heard.
dan friesen
He's defending the AI generator, and it's not like an attack on white people.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Because, yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex is not down with that.
jordan holmes
Because obviously.
dan friesen
He's not down with that.
And because this Google AI generator was an attack on white people and it is part of white genocide, he must insist that Elon Musk needs to now put out a search engine that will take over for Google.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
It was programmed.
We know how AI works.
My God, you put in it what you want.
They had to tell them no white people.
I mean, this is a giant troll by Google.
The question is: why are they doing it?
What comes out of this?
They shouldn't have 90 plus percent of the search results.
I don't just want Elon Musk to launch a new search system.
I want there should be 50 big search engines.
But yeah, I have a lot more confidence in Musk than I do in Google.
Please, Elon, launch your search system.
Please.
Good God, we need it right now.
Google is pure evil.
Google is absolutely anti-human scum.
I wouldn't be surprised if some alien from Mars is running it.
I mean, they're so anti-civilization.
jordan holmes
I would be.
I would be surprised if everybody standing from Mars.
alex jones
I'm going to explain something right now.
I had the globals try to hire me $20 million a year, all the jobs, all the offers.
I had Kisses try to hire me from Mars.
I told them, screw you, because they wanted to control me.
dan friesen
A little speedy, Alex.
alex jones
Calm down.
Elon Musk could say whether he's good or bad.
That's up to him.
unidentified
I don't know.
alex jones
I'm on God.
But he's doing irrevocable damage, reaching hundreds of millions of people a day per tweet, per post, wrecking them with stuff like this.
Okay?
So I'm glad Google overplayed their hand with the AI image generator as it made their insane racist anti-civilization programming clear to all.
I couldn't write that that good.
It's the truth.
And you can say Elon Musk is a bad person.
Well, he shits anti-New World Order resistance.
He shits victory.
So I'm not going to sit there when coming out of his ass is victory and bitch about it.
Maybe he's bad.
I don't know.
Maybe he's super smarter than all of us.
He's got some master plan to screw us.
I don't know that.
All I know is He is the number one, even above Trump, wrecking ball right now on the anti-human, anti-civilization dickheads that don't want humans to do crazy stuff, don't want us to go to space, say we're all crap, get rid of us.
No, I don't believe in that, and neither does Elon Musk.
And he's putting his money where his mouth is.
So I'm glad to be attacked by all the grandpas and everybody else that's purer than thou to say Elon Musk is the freaking devil.
You judge a tree by its fruits, and Elon Musk is wrecking their world.
dan friesen
So, yeah, he likes Elon Musk quite a bit.
Swearing a bit, he's off the chain here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I'm interested in how people can interpret Elon Musk's behavior as anything other than that of a spoiled child.
A very, very stupid one.
dan friesen
Fucked up.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, hateful in many ways.
jordan holmes
Very strange.
Very strange that people can lionize that.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's because it's targeted at the people that Alex wants to target.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so it's super convenient to have the amount of power that Elon Musk does have aimed in the direction that he wants it to be, as opposed to the possibility that it could be aimed against him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's definitely true.
dan friesen
So that's a billionaire.
I found this to be, first of all, just a little bit sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Second, I feel bad for Tucker.
He's no longer the most important man in the world if you're listening to this.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It does seem like Elon Musk is now the most important man in the world.
Tucker, I mean, he did the interview with Putin.
Alex has not really dwelled on it that much.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it might have diminished things a little because Putin said Tucker was weak.
jordan holmes
Now, and I'm going to say this because, and I don't know if people in Alex's orbit are capable of recognizing a pattern, but generally speaking, he likes to trade up if possible.
That is like, oh, Rogan's a pretty big deal.
Aha, now I got Tucker talking my shit.
Oh, Tucker's a pretty big deal.
Not as big deal as Elon fucking billionaire ass I own Twitter Musk.
I mean, I'm just never, I'm just never going to call it.
dan friesen
No.
And the issue, too, is that you have to recognize that these things are so shifting.
The sands are shifting.
And based on Alex's own career and history, he's turned on Joe before.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Everybody.
dan friesen
Eventually he's going to turn on Musk.
Everyone does.
They turn on these figures constantly because this is based on expedience.
It's based on what's useful in the moment.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And eventually it's going to be way more useful to hate Elon Musk.
Just get there already.
jordan holmes
But I mean, even then, it's also attention-based.
So it's like once Elon Musk is no longer showing up at the spaces, Alex goes, oh, Elon Musk sucks and I hate him.
And then Elon Musk feels like he has to show up at the space because people have to reward bad behavior.
And that is the basis of Alex's career.
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
But someone shows up at the spaces.
And this person is critical of Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Does Ed Krassenstein have a sock puppet account too?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
But this person is critical of Alex.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex is a little defensive.
unidentified
Okay.
The reason I wanted to hop on this and talk with y'all is because I was curious.
I haven't really heard anybody push back against Elon.
And here's the thing: he's always a strong advocate about AI and the security around it.
However, you know, now he's got X, which is great.
He's a free speech platform, or at least it seems like it is a little bit.
But, you know, now he's got this huge data set from all the information that Twitter has gained over the years from all of its users.
And then, you know, he's dressing up in a devil costume for Halloween.
He's got a global internet.
You know, he's putting brain chips in people's brains.
He's got X AI now.
I mean, it seems like to me, out of all the people that are dealing with AI, he seems like the person that we should be questioning most.
Don't get me wrong, it seems like he's on the side for good right now, but I don't see anybody calling him out.
jordan holmes
How do you hold those in your brain simultaneously?
unidentified
He's wearing a Baphomet costume.
It's a suit of armor made of leather.
I mean, it's just throwing up some rich.
I mean, it seems like he's a white hat.
Seems like he's trying to do the same thing.
alex jones
Yeah, well, my job is not defending that.
It was Halloween.
And I dressed up, you know, like a vampire on Halloween.
jordan holmes
I think you're a Nazi on Halloween.
You dress up like a Nazi.
I wear a Nazi helmet.
alex jones
I mean, I hear you.
I absolutely hear you.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, I've got to say that.
Well, then, listen, we should just put Twitter back.
See, hold on.
We're going to get on a break.
I'm going to come back to you, but should we just hand it back to where it was?
Maybe we should.
Maybe he should sell X and just get out of it.
We'll censor everybody.
That's better.
dan friesen
That's like, again, that's a child.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this caller is asking, like, obviously, is a little out there, and he's definitely conspiracy-minded and what have you.
But in terms of what he's bringing to the table, it is a sensible thought within this context.
We should be concerned about this stuff.
We have been trained to be conspiracy theorists.
These are the subjects of many of our conspiracy theories.
We have this weirdo billionaire who's pushing all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Who's the guy you've been warning us about?
dan friesen
It seems like we should be upset and worried about this.
And Alex's response is like, oh, maybe we should censure everybody again.
It's like, that's not even a real response to what this guy is saying.
You're treating the idea of criticizing Elon Musk in any way as some kind of like awful, awful thing to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it is crazy.
It is one of the more infuriating aspects of the American team sport element of just like, I understand your criticism, and maybe it's even valid, but now's not the time because we're busy fighting those fucks.
So bother with them, okay?
Don't worry about, yeah, Elon wants to put a chip inside the nape of your neck and then he'll be able to control your thoughts.
But that's because you're a loser.
Sure, he dresses up like the devil, and apparently we're unhappy about that.
That's a real problem for us.
dan friesen
Well, obviously, I mean, like, obviously, that level of thing because the globalists speak in hidden messages and all this shit.
So, of course, a Halloween costume is a subtle revealing of intentions.
No, it's predictive programming.
jordan holmes
No, here's the problem.
Here's the problem with us and our lives and what we've done to our brains: is when he said that, I was like, that's a good point.
He does dress like Baphomet.
There you go.
dan friesen
Escape that.
jordan holmes
That counts in this world.
dan friesen
So Alex goes to break and he comes back.
He is just intensely defensive because of this colour.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
It's not about Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
It's about me as always.
alex jones
I'm shooting hundreds of millions of people a day conservatively.
Each tweet like 50 million or more, 80 million, some 300 million.
And he's doing stuff that we fought for generations to expose, and it's devastating.
And populism's exploding.
So to me, the ongoing purity or like the Pharisee thing of like, oh, he's not perfect.
Oh, he wasn't around 20 years ago doing this.
We don't trust him.
Forget Elon Musk.
He's putting stuff out right now that hurts the globalists.
Yeah, the Neurolink, and he wants to dominate every technology thing.
My job is not to be an Elon Musk apologist.
But I sure sit back when I'm watching coffin nails.
I mean, I'm watching devastating, and I'm seeing the awakening, and I'm seeing the world change.
And I'm going to sit there and bitch like I'm some Puritan and then say, oh, well, I don't trust you, blah, blah, blah.
What does that have to do with it?
jordan holmes
Everything?
alex jones
When Elon Musk is devastating the current global structure, maybe he wants to take it over.
Maybe he's a bad guy.
Might be.
I don't know.
What?
jordan holmes
No.
What?
alex jones
The one is that.
No.
Look at that.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
alex jones
Almost said a little less talk, a little more action.
A little more satisfaction.
I'm getting nothing but satisfaction from Elon Musk right now.
dan friesen
Yikes.
So this is pathetic.
Alex is hand-waving away Neuralink when his principals should tell him that this is the mark of the fucking beast.
This is just pathetic.
There's no other word that I can find that fits this.
But you can see how very easily here how Alex's world is based on convenience and on utility.
Right now, Elon is a very useful thing for him.
He's allowed Alex back on Twitter where he can spread misinformation so much easier than he could before, and he can even monetize it.
Plus, Elon was on that space with Alex, which gives Alex the appearance of proximity to one of the richest people in the world.
On top of that, Elon is a meme-brained shithead who has all of the same culture war bigotries that Alex does.
So Elon's tweets work as de facto advertisements or endorsements for Alex's show, whether they're intended to be or not.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Alex loves that and needs that.
So it doesn't matter to him that Elon is a walking red flag for conspiracy theorists.
He wants to put chips in people's heads.
He wants self-driving cars.
He's running an AI off the giant worldwide social media platform that he bought and has government contracts that give him incredibly outsized influence in geopolitics in various regions.
He's the person that Alex has warned about for all of his career.
But there's one thing that gets in the way, which is that hating him would be inconvenient for Alex at the moment.
He's clearly just back on Twitter because of Elon's whim.
So Alex has to know that if he started being really critical of him, it would be just as easy for Elon to kick him back off.
Alex is a fool and doesn't see that this is going to be a bad road for him in the long term.
His audience is already skeptical of Musk, and they aren't going to become less so because he's who they've been trained to be suspicious of.
Alex had many of the, he can have as many of these defensive ass whiny, but I like him, diatribes as he wants.
But it won't change the fact that David Icke is taking the correct position in terms of this issue from a conspiracy business standpoint.
Alex is just, there's something going on here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what it is, but there's something going on here.
jordan holmes
I mean, part of me says, is this just accidental transference?
Like, Alex is looking at a gigantic baby behaving the way Alex behaves, who is the most rich man, buh-buh, you know?
Like, so for people to criticize him is for people to de facto criticize Alex.
dan friesen
Wait.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Is it that psychology?
alex jones
Let's just say this.
Fine.
Elon Musk should be deposed.
He should take all of his products.
He should give all his wealth to George Soros.
No, I'm serious.
Like, Elon Musk.
I'm going to say it right now.
Fine, I'm purer than all of you.
Elon Musk should be arrested.
All of his companies taken, given to George Soros.
He should be publicly executed.
I'm serious.
I am the pure one.
jordan holmes
Fine.
alex jones
Elon's the bad guy.
He should be arrested by George Soros and executed by Alexander Soros on national TV and hung.
dan friesen
Fine.
alex jones
I'm better than all of you now.
Elon Musk is bad.
Elon Musk is the devil.
Elon Musk is Satan.
Elon Musk must be destroyed.
Now I'm purer than all of you.
Of course, I don't mean that.
dan friesen
That's your career.
alex jones
It's mental illness.
It is mental illness when people actually oppose something to then claim, oh, it's a trick.
unidentified
He's freaking destroying them.
alex jones
This is what we've been waiting for.
Oh, Joe Rogan's not real.
He's control.
I've known him 25 years.
I'm taking acid with him.
I've been to 50.
jordan holmes
So I know he's with him.
alex jones
It's real.
I'm sick of everyone claiming there isn't reality.
I'm real people.
Let me tell you what the Elon thing was amazing.
I know I'm a real man.
I love humanity.
I love freedom.
I want to expand the planet.
I don't want to fuck everybody.
And I've got to hear all day how I'm run by the government.
That's bullshit.
And so I kind of take the Elon thing and go, maybe he's like me.
Maybe he really does want to challenge this.
And his actions do it.
So why are we pissing on it?
I just, I'm sick of it.
I'm pissed now, man.
I am just beyond it.
I am so, we are so close to victory.
And these people are in the way because they don't want to win.
dan friesen
Yeah, you might have been onto something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There might be a little something there.
You know, a lot of people think you need a psychology degree, and I disagree.
I think you just need to listen to several thousand hours of one person talk and you will know what's going on.
dan friesen
Someone who has no self-control and is often impaired on air.
Yeah, I think you can get a good sense of.
jordan holmes
You don't need the degree.
dan friesen
I was pretty shocked that he said that, you know, because he's taking criticism of Elon Musk personally because his perspective is wrapped up in fucked up feelings that he has about how people don't believe in him enough.
He's projecting that onto Elon.
So anytime people are criticizing him, it's a criticism of Alex himself.
That's really messed up.
You should not do this to the show.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't do that.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
If you're Alex, you shouldn't do that.
And once you know Alex is doing that, you definitely shouldn't listen to him.
dan friesen
No.
That clip is some of the most mopey, defensive shit you can imagine.
Alex is basically making a mockery of the idea of criticizing Elon.
And then once he gets through that, he gets himself mad about the idea of people criticizing him.
The part that's really sad is the constant need to pretend that he's not being an apologist for Musk when that's literally what he's doing in all of these petulant rants.
That's the entire thing.
He said Elon is what we've been waiting for.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is such that in the world that Alex is existing in, they should be like stepping back and being like, this is some antichrist shit.
Like even the fact that even the fact that a lot of us are buying his bullshit is part of the Antichrist bullshit.
And like we should be in here being like super vigilant.
dan friesen
And I understand that that would be an irrational position itself.
jordan holmes
But in the world they should be.
Exactly, exactly.
Like I said, oh, you're wearing Bathomet clothing on Halloween?
That's a good point.
You know, like, that's the world we are in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know if I think that Alex has any kind of financial arrangement with being on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know that.
And I don't want to speculate that that is the case because there's other explanations that do make sense.
Right.
When I say that there's something going on here, one element of it is this projecting himself onto Elon Musk and his psychological entanglement or whatever it is.
There's that.
And that's fucked up.
That's personal.
And then I think that Alex, like, he's started to get to a point where he's back to being heavily addicted to social media.
I was about to say the door maddening that you get posting racist memes and then people like liking that.
jordan holmes
I think he's an addict who just can't get off.
dan friesen
You get the imagined effect of like, we're reaching millions and millions of people.
A lot of that's bots and most of them are shitheads who already agree with you.
So like you're not really having advocacy in any real way.
jordan holmes
I want to ask you this question.
I want to ask you this question, not because you know the answer, obviously, but just as a speculative question.
Do you think on some like subconscious level they are aware that part of why they can support Elon so full wholeheartedly is because he's a failure and nothing he does will succeed.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, like he doesn't make good cars and that's supposedly what he's great at.
And then he does everything else.
His shit in space explodes.
I don't know.
Whatever he's done with Twitter is great.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like he tried to build that tunnel to nowhere.
There was a big circle he was going to build to nowhere.
Absolutely.
Like, he's an idiot and a failure in every possible way.
I think it's just a good conmate.
dan friesen
I think some of that might be like a game-recognized game thing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But I think that another part is like this world is so fine with being wrong because you just pretend you were right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like you can build somebody up and then like if you need to, uh-oh, they're a big villain now.
Like Steve Pieczenik was the greatest expert in everything.
He changed the world.
He single-handedly took down the Soviet Union and then he got out of line with the 2020 election narratives and Alex is like, yeah, I guess he's back to working for the CIA or whatever.
You know, like there isn't a problem now that he's a villain or whatever.
And Alex can take stuff like he said in that globe where he's like, yeah, all right, Elon Musk should be investigated, take away all his companies.
He could take that out of context if you ever need to Elon into a villain.
He could be like, I told you, I warned you that there was a danger.
jordan holmes
I told you I was pure.
I even said it.
Even though I was being sarcastic, now I was being serious.
dan friesen
Right.
You can rewrite a fair amount of this the same way Alex has done with his 9-11 prediction and all this stuff.
So, you know, there isn't really a danger in building someone up in order to eventually turn against them.
jordan holmes
I think what's so fun about that is, honestly, we were at our non-brunch.
We were talking about that Superman Kryptonite thing.
And it is like, that is their superpower.
There's no way to break through their ability to just rewrite history with them.
dan friesen
And pretend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There's no kryptonite where you just go, ah, now you have to look at the real world in all its terrible glory and you can never look back.
dan friesen
You can illustrate these things and then it'll make some impact, but it doesn't really come up.
jordan holmes
It just washes away.
dan friesen
So we get another person from Twitter.
Sure.
And here's the reason that we decided to do this interview or this episode.
Yeah.
Is because we had a dangling thread from a recent episode that we didn't have an agreement about.
And that was, did Elon call in?
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
Was the Dittman guy the Dittman guy?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Dittman's up.
jordan holmes
Dittman's here for Dittman's here.
dan friesen
Adrian Dittman.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And whether it's Elon Musk or 10 other groups, nobody has created a really open independent engine yet.
It needs to be done.
unidentified
Couldn't agree more.
Thanks.
alex jones
Thank you.
Love you.
Chase, who's up next?
jordan holmes
Let's go to Adrian Dittman.
unidentified
Adrian, go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say about this.
adrian dittman
Hey, what's up, you guys?
Yeah, I mean, really weird stuff, especially in the news cycle.
I mean, I was in the news cycle I think for a better part of almost three days.
There's like this, it's kind of funny.
It all started with the troll account basically claiming some nonsense stuff and then deactivating themselves to do rage farming and then having that be misinterpretedly spread by the Daily Mail to literally every single news organization nationwide in America except for CBS and others, the major ones.
So actually every medium-sized publication had something to do with it and just basically spread the information everywhere on the internet.
It was the most funniest shit ever.
And so the AI aspect of this, I'll get to that in a bit, because this actually manipulates data sets as well because some AI is being trained on, say, news reports from these various places because people seem to think that these are reputable in some capacity or another.
I'd like to question that at some point because I think I've definitely heard the right to say I have first-hand experience in saying that whatever they identify as quote reputable sources is highly questionable.
Because the information that was pumped out and distributed about me was so unequivocally false that basically the articles themselves and the repetition of those in verbatim was about 80% false.
And none of them reached out to ever try and even do the remotest amount of adjustment to their articles and to their publications.
I'm there on X. I'm basically there, right?
My DMs are activated.
You can say, hey, we need to talk to you.
We have a problem here.
Is this true?
They never bothered to issue any correction.
They never bothered to actually contact me regarding this.
I contacted them.
I said, here, adjust your bullshit.
That's what I said.
I messaged the Daily Mail and said, hey, fix my article.
And then they said, okay, here, we made some adjustments.
Would you like anything else?
I had to respond to that because I'm like, fuck you.
You ought to have done that way before asking me because the information is clearly out there.
And you should also familiarize itself with the functions of the platform that you're shitting on before you shit on it because you could probably do so more creatively.
What I'm not entirely sure of was the intent behind this and why they did this.
Because I'm pretty sure this was supposed to have some sort of negative effect on me, but the inverse is true.
It had the most positive effect on me.
dan friesen
So this is a highly suspicious beginning to the call for a number of reasons.
Sure.
The first and most obvious reason is that Alex is just letting this guy swear like crazy on the show, which is supposedly on hundreds of radio stations.
I know Alex was swearing a little bit earlier, but that's different.
That's him.
jordan holmes
That's completely different.
dan friesen
Alex would literally never let a caller do this, and he would have hung up on people who said shit or fuck, but here he is just letting Adrian go.
That tells me that he's very much under the impression that this is Elon.
He still believes that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I have a few problems with the story that Adrian is telling here.
So as it goes, there was an account on Twitter that was making a big deal out of claiming that Adrian Dittman was Elon's burner.
This is not something that person could necessarily prove, but the anecdotal evidence is fairly compelling.
After his initial appearance on Infowars, I wouldn't have felt strongly enough to make a big deal out of accusing this account of being Musk, but I could see how someone could arrive there.
So this account was deactivated.
I guess there's some dispute about whether they were banned for harassment or if they self-deactivated to make it look like they got banned for calling out Musk's account.
I have no idea what happened there, and I don't put enough stock in social media to really care.
I don't particularly care about Adrian's complaints about the Daily Mail.
I have a pretty low opinion of that site based on them constantly being used as a source on Infowars because of their sensational headlines and often fairly iffy coverage.
If you got a problem with them, you got a bigger problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, your problems with the Daily Mail.
So is the rest of the world.
Of course.
dan friesen
I have a few problems, though, and they have to do with this clip.
The first is that Adrian is not at all acknowledging that the last time he was on the show, Alex directly and emphatically said that it was Musk, who was using a fake account for plausible deniability.
David Ike said that the Infowars producers told him during the break that it was definitely Musk.
If he's mad at the Daily Mail for their article, then he should have more of a problem with Alex.
He somehow doesn't, which is selective and strange.
Elon Musk is certainly somebody who has a bone to grind with the mainstream media.
jordan holmes
Still not evidence.
dan friesen
Still not, but sus.
jordan holmes
It is there.
dan friesen
Now, the second thing I have is a big problem.
Listen to this part from the end here again.
adrian dittman
What I'm not entirely sure of was the intent behind this and why they did this, because I'm pretty sure this was supposed to have some sort of negative effect on me, but the inverse is true.
It had the most positive effect on me.
dan friesen
Why is Adrian saying this coverage and the guy on Twitter were supposed to have a negative effect on him?
No one gives a shit about him.
If he's a real person, no one cares.
The intent that could possibly be behind accusing this account of being Musk's fake account is to have a negative effect on Musk.
I still don't know that I would say this is 100% proof that this is Elon, but it seems like that could be a bad slip-up.
jordan holmes
Tying together me and the platform is itself a bad slip-up.
You know, like, oh, they're trying to hurt me.
Learn more about the platform.
That's associating yourself and the platform.
dan friesen
But again, that's still not, but it's a data point.
jordan holmes
I think what I find most interesting about this is, you know, obviously, it doesn't matter either way.
It's a pretend.
What I find interesting about it is that it doesn't matter even if it is provable that Adrian Dittman was a real person.
Like, in that moment, on whatever platform, we exist in an era where I can no longer believe what it was.
You know, was it him?
I can't believe you because it could be an AI.
An AI is good enough to deepfake that.
Now, and if you told me it was that, I don't believe you because it could be Elon Musk.
And you can't prove that it's not Elon Musk or an AI or him.
Right.
You know?
dan friesen
Now, the only thing that I think that you can take away from this and have some solid realness to is Alex's response to this.
Yeah.
Alex believes this to be Musk.
Right.
And this is relevant because he's been having a breakdown about how, oh, we should, I'm not an apologist for Elon Musk.
Right.
And then Adrian Dittman shows up and he talks to it for a half fucking hour.
jordan holmes
And not only that, but Adrian Dittman is himself obviously claiming not to be Elon Musk.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
In an interview with someone who is clearly saying you are Elon Musk.
dan friesen
Well, Alex does say in this one he's not Elon Musk.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But there is kind of a feeling of like he's winking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's K-Fabe.
You can never.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks that this crossing the Rubicon has happened with Google Gemini because they're trying to erase white TV.
jordan holmes
People not know what crossing the Rubicon is supposed to mean.
dan friesen
I think Alex does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that's what he means it to be.
jordan holmes
So it's war.
unidentified
It's war.
jordan holmes
We're fighting a war or we're being taken over by a fascist.
adrian dittman
Yeah.
Every lie can be stretched to a certain extent up until it rips.
And I think we've reached a point where the tensile strength of the lie and the context you can put within it simply doesn't hold anymore and just explodes before all our eyes.
So I think we're very close to this, if not already here, where we're seeing the first fibers in the fabric rip.
alex jones
I totally agree, Adrian.
Stay right.
I want to hear this.
I said this started my show.
This is crossing the Rubicon.
The tipping point has happened with this Google erasing white people thing is Beyond Bud Light.
They crossed a Rubicon, is what I'm seeing.
What do you say to that?
jordan holmes
Beyond Bud Light.
alex jones
Fuck it hell.
adrian dittman
I was laughing about this.
It was so funny.
I saw this earlier.
I was thinking to myself, you know, this is actually kind of funny because we were theorizing.
Me and a few other people were theorizing about this in Spaces a very long time ago.
It was saying, you know, if you can control the data set, you control reality, right?
Because the thing that any of the AI outputs is taken by the majority as fact, much like anyone else would look at a legacy media publication, right?
This is why it is so effective.
And so we sat there and we thought about how exactly could you say make an AI do some really terrible things without anyone actually noticing.
Well, of course, control the data set.
dan friesen
Yeah, okay.
So is Adrian someone who's spending a lot of time theorizing about AI?
jordan holmes
The idea of a person who is aware enough to recognize that they have been given fame and what comes with that is a modicum of power on a social media platform, purely either because they are Elon Musk or because it is so mystifying to the rest of the human race that a human being would behave like this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And they would have a social media presence that is entirely about kissing Musk's ass and talking about how great his businesses are.
Yeah.
But that's the problem.
That's where the problem comes in, is that like that is all behavior that is completely understandable from someone who's just obsessed with Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's, I mean, and it's, it is like there's, there's really two reasons, but you, how can you not understand that again?
If you're self-aware, how can you not understand it's because people are viewing you, you know, like this is a freak show.
This is you being Elon Musk, the person who is behaving like this, and everybody's laughing at you because as you sit in your cage like a hunger artist or whatever it is.
dan friesen
There definitely isn't like interest in you for your own sake.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is definitely true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There either is interest because people want to pretend or do think that you're Elon Musk or it's that sideshow version of the thing you're talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is like you're not being treated as a human.
dan friesen
Can you believe that this guy sounds exactly like Elon Musk?
jordan holmes
Absolutely be a human.
I would be furious to not be treated as a human being and he seems to be leaning into it or he is Elon Musk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it's tough.
See, here's one of the things that I wrestle with is that leaning into it is an instinct that mostly derives from some kind of ego, some sort of pursuit of ego.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And look, I don't pretend to be an expert.
I don't know about this guy, but I looked at his Twitter feed when I was preparing the last episode, and it doesn't feel like a guy who's obsessed with ego.
It's all about Elon Musk.
So, like, to me, it doesn't feel like, you know, wanting to lean into this kind of attention towards yourself doesn't necessarily track with what I it doesn't seem like this person's a narcissist or like driven that direction.
jordan holmes
No, I couldn't, I can absolutely 100% reasonably see a person who is analogous to the person who collects every single Simpsons figurine that's ever been made.
Of just like, this is a person who is obsessed with this thing.
And I understand that this is unusual and out of the more extreme for people, but I mean, you know, you're not harming anybody.
You're not doing anything.
You're just obsessed with this thing.
dan friesen
Well, but there's a lot of people who are obsessed with Elon Musk.
Yeah, this is a little bit of a very strange fan base.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is weird.
dan friesen
So I was looking at this interview because on our last time we talked about this, you were pretty certain it was Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
It seems like I talk shit.
And now I mean, now it doesn't even, it doesn't matter to me.
dan friesen
It does have a very big it doesn't matter except for how Alex is experiencing exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That is true.
But it is still an interesting question.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
And so as I was going through this, I was like, all right, I'm going to pay attention and try to figure out where there are times where it's like, this seems like Musk, and there's times like, this definitely doesn't seem like him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I will say that there were way more instances where it's like, this, this feels like it's Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
This feels more Musky than there's a lot of Musk in the air if you're because there's things like this.
adrian dittman
Thinking about the multiple CEOs that I've talked to me with in the last couple of weeks, basically explaining to me their problems with, say, these kinds of standards, right?
Having to hire people based on anything else other than merit, which is very, very damaging to the company.
You cannot give them bad positions because then it's obvious that she's just a diversity hire, right, for instance.
And so damages are being created regardless of what is happening.
And this is quite sad.
This is quite unfortunate.
I mean, sure, you could definitely pull it off to hire diverse people.
I certainly talk with people who are exceedingly diverse.
I know several individuals that are, for instance, trans.
That doesn't really cross my mind most of the time because we're just sitting there and we're building cool shit.
It's just, I don't really care.
And they don't really care about my stuff either.
We just look at the information that we generate and we look at that as the only thing that really matters.
And that's what I think humans should go for because you want to be able to choose whatever it is that you want.
It's just that you shouldn't make anyone else choose what it is that you are just because you think that what you are is the truest form of the self, right?
Based on some sort of thing that's going to be a lot of fun.
alex jones
I was thinking that today, Adrian.
Really?
You can be who you want.
Don't try to make other people be that.
dan friesen
Well, Alex's definition of freedom sounds pretty great.
Everyone's free to be themselves, but it doesn't mean that you can force others to be you.
Unfortunately, if Alex actually followed that as a basis for his definition of freedom, all of his political positions would collapse immediately.
His worldview is almost wholly based on pursuing policies that require you to adhere to his rules, mostly derived from extreme right-wing white identity Christianity.
But why is Adrian talking to so many CEOs?
jordan holmes
I mean, it is, it is like, I mean, but at the same time, you can absolutely see a person obsessed with social media who becomes a person like role-playing Elon Musk all the time.
dan friesen
He could be.
Or he could do, like, I know that this guy does spaces.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So maybe he has spaces where he's talked to CEOs or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
But that kind of piece of information makes you think, like, that is something Elon would say.
I've talked to all these CEOs and they hate the affirmative action type things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
And it just feels so much like not that this person is trolling so much as the present, the future is trolling me.
I'm just like, listen, it's only going to get worse from here.
You will only know less.
dan friesen
Yeah, if it's this impossible to know what's going on.
jordan holmes
Yes.
It's only going to become more impossible to know anything.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't need shades because the future ain't going to be bright.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Adrian in this clip advocates for AI mandatory driving cars.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex should be furious.
jordan holmes
I love that idea.
unidentified
Great.
adrian dittman
I mean, you could take your car right now and you could do a lot of damage with it.
Doesn't mean that doesn't mean that nobody should drive cars anymore.
I think that's also something in the future, by the way, that may become mandated if AI has become so good that essentially they can replace humans.
I think it is mandated that you have an AI in your car that is driving for you half the time because it is safer than the actual human being.
Because humans have weaknesses.
They have reaction times that are not sufficient, I think, for the speeds at which they're going to be able to get.
jordan holmes
As opposed to George Washington was black.
adrian dittman
After regulating how speed is parking, we make everything slower.
We can make things faster on the computer and by basically have the computer drive the car because it can react faster to anything that you can ever even think about.
By the time it has reacted to a certain situation, it has already seen the outcome and has reacted on your behalf before you can even become aware of anything that's happening.
So that's a good thing, right?
AIs and things is a good thing.
It just depends on how it works.
alex jones
All right, Adrian, I got to take a two-minute break.
If you can finish up, stay with us.
We got to leave.
I understand what we're about.
dan friesen
Weird that Alex wouldn't be mad about that because it's directly opposed to his policies, that's for sure.
Alex's preferences.
jordan holmes
He just screamed about how AI is getting rid of all white people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And now he's like, but also we should have it in control of the life and death of all white people in the United States.
dan friesen
All people.
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
But I mean, again, he only cares about it.
dan friesen
This is a problem because this is one of the wedge issues that should be the things that Alex is criticizing Elon Musk about.
And now you have this Adrian Dittman fella expressing Musk's stance on this, or maybe even a little stronger than Musk goes sometimes.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And Alex is just like, all right, can you talk some more after the break?
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So imagine Alex and Dittman's realities are both happening simultaneously.
In five years, every non-white person will wake up to all white people's cars having run into each other and just a massive countrywide blood out of white people gone.
And they just go, wow, I guess Alex was right.
That's what we've got.
dan friesen
Well, okay.
So, Alex, I think whatever you think about his, if that's the logical end goal of his prediction.
jordan holmes
I mean, if both of them are true.
dan friesen
Whatever is true or is not, Alex thinks that this is definitely Elon.
Yeah.
alex jones
All right.
Final segment with Adrian Dittman, and then we're going to come back and take some more calls or some more ex-comments here at Rolling Show.
So, so thanks for your time, Adrian.
Anything else you'd like to add to the viewers and listeners out there?
adrian dittman
Yeah, where were we at?
alex jones
We're just talking about the total sea change happening.
There's definitely an old system going down, a new system coming in.
dan friesen
This guy's just supposed to be a caller who's calling in from ex-Twitter spaces.
This is not supposed to be an interview, but Alex is treating this like an interview because he thinks that it's Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, his co-host is Elon Musk now.
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
What would you like to say to the listeners and everyone at the ships at sea?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's doing a show with the richest man on the planet, and that's what he thinks is like, I'm now the most powerful tweeter.
dan friesen
That's the way that Alex is experiencing this, and it's pretty clear.
There's a couple of other instances where there's like obvious winks that Alex is doing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the way that he's treating him, especially as opposed to when you look at the way he's treating these other callers that are just like, hey, great point.
Gotta go to get to the next guy.
He talks to him for a half fucking hour.
jordan holmes
That's absurd.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How do you that's the that's the thing that I don't get?
That's my that's my like that's the line that I can't cross for it not being Elon is just like you have to know that the only reason you exist in this space right now pun absolutely intended is because people think you are Elon Musk or because you are Elon Musk.
dan friesen
You are getting the treatment from Alex that you are.
You're on the show expounding on these beliefs or whatever solely because there's an impression that you're Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
There is no other aspect of you that is at all meaningful or valuable.
dan friesen
If you were just Adrian Dittman and everyone knew you were Adrian Dittman and your voice sounded a little bit different, Alex would not give a single fuck about you.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't matter.
It does not matter.
dan friesen
He would hear you say that AI should be mandatory in cars and he would hang the fuck up on you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You would say shit or fuck and you would be gone.
You'd use the delay button so you don't get in trouble with the channels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, anything short of an engineer, like the only engineer would be an engineer who is literally working on Gemini at this exact time and who is willing to go along with having like insider information about it.
Like even if it was somebody who worked for Gemini, they'd be like, maybe you're wrong.
And he'd be like, yo, hey, right, right.
And then hang up.
dan friesen
Well, Alex, one of the other callers that he gets that we're not going to listen to is Zach Voorhees.
He was that Google quote-unquote whistleblower of Project Veritas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then it came out that he talked frequently about the Zionist-occupied government and other sort of anti-Semitic shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's kind of there because it's like, hey, this involves Google.
Maybe I can get a little bit of a title.
Right, right, it's very sad.
jordan holmes
But yeah, everything on Twitter is it sounds really sad these days.
dan friesen
Yeah, but here's a good thing about it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You can say fuck on there.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is unlike other places.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
alex jones
I know X is free.
It's freer because Adrian, because every site I go to won't let me say fuck.
But when I go to type that on Twitter or X now, it lets me.
So obviously that's been disengaged at X where I can just say what I want.
jordan holmes
Now that's the Star Trek-ass future we've been looking for.
alex jones
Yeah, you could do that.
adrian dittman
I don't think you should do that.
I think it's a bad idea.
alex jones
I'm not saying it's good.
I'm just saying I'm noticing that every platform won't let me say that.
Not that I need to use that term.
I'm just saying suddenly I can type that on, because if I'm on Google and I say F-U-C-K, I get duck.
When I'm on X, I don't get duck.
I get the other word.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
adrian dittman
Yeah.
Yeah, that definitely works on here still.
It's probably not good for you long term to swear around on platform.
It doesn't lead to unregretted user radis.
But I mean, you can do whatever it is that you want.
I mean, if you have no pull, you can do whatever.
dan friesen
So the absolute mark of freedom is auto-fill knowing that you're trying to swear.
There's a big grown-up kind of thing that's flying around here.
It's great.
Now, at the end there, Adrian says that you can say fuck on Twitter and it doesn't lead to, quote, unregretted user minutes.
That's a very strange phrase.
It's very specific.
And it's one that Elon uses to describe the goal of the new version of Twitter.
When he tweeted, quote, new Twitter will strive to optimize unregretted user minutes on December 29th, 2022, and has referenced this multiple times since.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
This is an interesting dilemma that Adrian poses because the use of that term would lead one very much to think this is definitely Musk under a fake name.
He's using the same very specific term Musk used to describe time on Twitter.
But the issue is that Musk's fans are weirdos and they take the terminology that he uses on.
They adopt it.
And if Adrian is a real person, the one thing you can be sure of is that he is an obsessive Elon Musk fan.
It's unfortunate because in many situations, this would be a real compelling piece of evidence.
But in this case, you can really only deduce that this is either Musk or someone who's molded himself around Musk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to a degree that the world takes concerned notice.
That's an issue.
dan friesen
Well, I think the reason the world takes concerned notice isn't because he is a Musk obsessive.
It's because the implications of it actually being Musk are high.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you have this person who is presumably one of the more powerful people in the world, richest person in the world, who's spending his time palling around with Alex, spreading bullshit, racist conspiracies on Infowars.
And the implication of that actually being him is very serious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No one cares about Adrian Dittman, the person.
jordan holmes
No, this whole thing, it is like it makes me mad at everybody but Elon Musk and Adrian Dittman, regardless of whether or not they are separate or real.
It's just like all of us should know.
We've got too much history.
We have too much history that we can avail ourselves of at any point in time.
We should all know, like, oh, okay, we can't engage in this.
This cannot be engaged in.
Otherwise, there's just no point.
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that that's part of the reason why I'm doing this.
Yeah.
Is because I'm not fully engaging with it, but it is interesting to engage with Alex's engagement with it.
Right, right.
Is he or isn't he is kind of fun to play around with in your head a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But making too strong of a claim either way.
I'm not saying that you, like on the last episode you did.
You were fucking around.
jordan holmes
I was fucking around.
Yeah, obviously.
I didn't know anything or care.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the reality of how Alex takes this is definitely worth noting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because in Alex's mind, he's had Elon now be almost a regular guest on his show.
jordan holmes
I mean, and it might not be, but that it is doesn't matter.
dan friesen
But what matters is how Alex is experiencing it and how the audience is going to experience it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the audience is going to behave like Alex as though it is Elon Musk.
So it doesn't even matter if it is or isn't.
Because it's not like that.
dan friesen
But that could actually break bad for Alex because that implies more access to Elon Musk, which makes it even more suspicious that Alex isn't asking the kind of questions that the audience has about Elon to him.
It makes it look like he's covering things up even more.
So that might be a negative ultimately for Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You know, there is a certain part of me that listens to that clip of Alex being like, it's good you can say fuck and that maybe being Elon Musk and just all of that together makes me feel like, you know, we are returning to the Stone Age.
Like, we're going to get back there.
And maybe we should, you know?
dan friesen
I just typed fuck in Google and it allowed it.
I don't know what Alex is talking about.
I think he's just talking about on his phone.
jordan holmes
Sometimes I'm just so tired.
dan friesen
And text messages.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's just, it's just text messages.
dan friesen
So Alex throws it to Adrian for the last word.
unidentified
Damn it.
dan friesen
Because, of course, that's what you do with callers.
alex jones
No!
So we're on hundreds of radio stations, TV stations.
It's why we have like 12 minutes of ads or whatever it is an hour.
I apologize for that, but that's the way it is.
I'm doing more and more shows that are commercial-free.
Adrian Dittman, very popular person on Axe.
Everybody should follow him.
I appreciate you holding to the brakes.
You're very busy.
Any other closing comments you'd like to make?
jordan holmes
Adrian Dittman's busy?
Are we concerned about...
adrian dittman
Partially, I think what people need to consider is that information warfare is an attack on one's ability to recall and recount history.
If you can control those aspects, you control everything.
dan friesen
An attack on one's ability to recall and recount history.
That sounds exactly like what Alex does.
It's a very succinct definition of Inforce.
Well said, Dittman.
Also, that part of the beginning isn't Alex apologizing that there are so many commercials.
He's apologizing to Adrian for having to sit in breaks while he's on the line.
Alex definitely thinks that this is Elon, so he's imagining that he would be annoyed by the commercial breaks.
jordan holmes
He's too busy.
dan friesen
Sorry, sir.
Sorry, sir.
You have to understand we're on the radio.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
You're a very important man.
dan friesen
You're so busy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip, and it's Alex inviting himself onto Adrian's show.
jordan holmes
Sure, well, of course.
alex jones
Adrian, I would love to come on your show anytime because I see the great work you do.
If you'd like to have me on, I'd love to come on and talk about free speech and cancel culture.
Adrian, thank you so much for the time.
dan friesen
Thanks for having me.
alex jones
Thank you.
All right.
Look, we got, and all the hosts that host the fourth hour know I take some of their time sometime, but J. Dar is really smart.
He goes off the own source documents to globalists.
I don't want to cut a damn, but I promise to get to more of these comments and questions.
So we'll skip the break coming up.
We'll skip the next network break so JDAR gets more time.
dan friesen
We'll skip these breaks to make up for the fact that I spent a half hour talking to this guy that I think is Elon Musk.
I mean, I'm going to cut into the fourth hour host's time.
I need to talk to these other people because I would have gotten to them.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the guy that I'm pretending is Elon Musk was here.
So that took up half an hour of my time.
I'm behind.
Let's go ahead and knock some of these out.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really does feel like this is the moment that we are facing in, like, that we've predicted for the longest time about deepfakes and shit like that.
Like, this is the true confrontation of it, where it is like, it's not like Obama giving a speech where some people want to believe it or whatever.
This is Alex 100% believing, regardless of its truth or whether it needs to be true that this is Elon Musk.
dan friesen
Well, and the awareness that we have this technology and stuff makes it so this could conceivably be true or false.
jordan holmes
And it could conceivably be both.
It could be that Adrian Dittman is a real person that Elon Musk has talked to.
Like, it is entirely possible that Elon Musk talked to this person, and then there is an AI bot that sometimes talks like this.
It is entirely possible that none of those things are real.
But because the distance for us is so great, we can never truly know.
dan friesen
There is no ultimate reality to this, which is jarring and difficult.
Now, I think that the only thing that really drives this into the, ah, this has got it.
We got to do it.
We have to talk about this is the dynamic that Alex is so defensive about Elon Musk at the beginning of this and people criticizing, like, hey, you should, why are you supporting this?
Maybe you should be more critical.
Him realizing, or not realizing, accidentally saying, I take criticism of Elon personally because I look at him and I see me.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
This kind of a breakdown and shit that's going on at the beginning, then fake Elon calls in and Alex behaves that way.
It's very much like there's he's got problems.
jordan holmes
It is a problem.
I would say that it is entirely possible.
And, you know, just tell me if I'm a little bit off the wrong track.
Alex might have some daddy issues.
dan friesen
His dad won't be a guest on the show.
So that would be an issue.
No, I don't know.
I think that who knows?
Who knows what goes on in the minds of men?
Anyway, I just wanted to talk about this a little bit, have a little wacky Wednesday.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's sort of wacky Wednesday-ish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back for another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
It is based entirely upon the question of whether or not something is real.
So that's very Wacky Wednesday.
dan friesen
True, and it's either someone who's doing an impression of a human or it's somebody who it's a robot.
jordan holmes
Or it's an alien from Mars.
dan friesen
Could be.
Could be pleased.
jordan holmes
SalvageFight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky at Salvage Fight.
alex jones
Yep, we'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo DZX Clark.
Beep, beep, boop, beep, beep, boop, boop.
That's the noise that that alien from Mars would make.
Beep boop, boop, boop, beep, boop, boop.
We know they're talking boops.
jordan holmes
That's true.
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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