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Feb. 26, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#903: April 7, 2004

In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to experience Alex interviewing a guy who runs a bar in Spain who has a plan to offer microchips as VIP membership cards.  This results in the most bone-chilling and sinster interview Alex has ever conducted.

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alex jones
24:27
c
conrad chase
09:23
d
dan friesen
59:04
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jordan holmes
29:35
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glenn spencer
00:51
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steve quayle
00:02
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unidentified
knowledge fight damn and jordan i am sweating knowledgefight.com it's time to pray i have great respect for knowledge fight knowledge fight i'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight
dan and jordan knowledge fight i need i need money andy and kansas andy andy andy andy andy andy it's time to pray andy andy and kansas you're on the air thanks for holding us hello alex i'm a first time calling in the future Hey, everybody!
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Deon.
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is this is a little bit overdue, and a little bit...
I'd meant to do this sooner, but things have gotten in the way.
A while back, I started a sub-stack.
alex jones
Yes!
dan friesen
Stackies.substack.com.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I put out two posts on it and then had a little bit of a hurdle, a little medical condition that limited my ability to expand into other side projects and such.
And then also I had a very terrible situation.
So that sub stack is largely taking Alex's emails and stuff and discussing editorial decisions and things that you can learn from them.
I had been going over all of these thousands and thousands of emails and making notes on them and stuff, and then my computer crashed and I lost that document.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So I had to start pretty much all over going through these emails.
jordan holmes
You're not telling the truth.
That can't be real.
dan friesen
It is, unfortunately.
So there had been a bit of a setback.
And I've been meaning to get back to it because I don't want this to be...
Just yet another thing that I set out and embarked to do, and then, oh, wow, you know, this is another mustard.
This is another year of the mustard.
jordan holmes
I mean, you're, well, you know, you don't set easily achievable goals.
Let's put it that way.
dan friesen
I may want to do more than I can.
Sure, sure.
But there will be new posts.
I'm not sure exactly how, like, the periodicalness of it.
I don't know the rate.
But March 1st.
jordan holmes
March 1st.
dan friesen
March 1st there will be a new post on there.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So that's exciting, the stackies.
jordan holmes
That is exciting.
dan friesen
But yeah, we'll see.
We'll see how consistent it is.
But there will at least be a few more posts on there.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
It's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
And then also trying to figure out, like, all right, I only have a limited number of source materials here.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
What could it be other than that?
So I'm trying to figure out other things that could go on that sub stack.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's there.
jordan holmes
I mean, I assume it's not just going to eventually devolve into opining about different backpacks you've seen on the subway.
dan friesen
You don't know.
jordan holmes
And whether or not they are okay.
dan friesen
We all have a path to go down, and maybe that's the one I will.
jordan holmes
I think grumpy old commentator seems great for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I think that would be great.
dan friesen
Or episode by episode breakdown of some show.
Yeah!
Maybe I'll do Lost.
jordan holmes
That'd be great.
dan friesen
Survivor.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
No reason not to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't have to be a grumpy Gus all the time.
You can get into the good stuff.
Get into the fun.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Be very grumpy about those shows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
It's true.
He would be very grumpy.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, I suppose I'll just go ahead and say, the weather is nice outside.
dan friesen
It was snowing yesterday or the day before.
jordan holmes
It was snowing yesterday night.
And now it's almost 60. 25 degrees at 5am when I had to take the dogs out this morning.
And now it's 60 degrees and it's bright and sunny and it's beautiful.
dan friesen
I was sitting in the apartment and the wind blowing through on the walls and shit, it sounded like things crashing.
It was nuts.
That winter storm that broke out.
And now it's 60, like a day or two later.
This is not healthy.
jordan holmes
Just nothing.
I took the dogs out the night before.
Everything was covered in a layer of ice, and then about an hour ago, everything is just drenched wet outside of my, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's shorts time.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is nice.
I mean, it's better than the snow.
jordan holmes
First time I haven't worn a coat in about four, six months, something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I have a coat that is torn to shit because it's so old.
I didn't even realize that has a big rip inside the backside of it.
jordan holmes
That one.
dan friesen
And so I have been like, Putting it off?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm like, I need a new coat.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I mean to get one, but I'm like, I'll just make it to the end of this winter, and then we'll initiate next year.
jordan holmes
You'll get it.
No, now is when you get a cheap coat.
dan friesen
Well, no, in a couple months.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Then you strike.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you survive the winter coatless, only to get a cheap coat in the summer.
Except you'll probably forget and then wind up needing one.
dan friesen
Absolutely, and I'll wear this 21 next year.
And then I'll make the excuses.
jordan holmes
And do the same thing, and then we'll see you in about five years.
dan friesen
It's the circle of life.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
And we're going to be in the past, because I've gotten enough of Alex's, a lot of hate going on in the present day.
It just feels like we need, I think, you know, probably listeners need, and I more so need, get a break.
jordan holmes
A spiritual break.
dan friesen
Need a breakie from that nonsense.
And so we're going back to the past, we're going to be in 2004, and we've landed on April 7th, 2004.
There's a couple days of meh.
But this episode is nuts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's nuts in a way that I didn't really expect.
A lot of times when I'm listening to episodes, I'm like, ah, I get a sense of what's happening here.
In this episode, I got so blindsided by the end of it that I was like, I gotta go.
I gotta reassess what happened.
Okay.
So anyway, this is pretty cryptic.
jordan holmes
There's an M. Night Shyamalan like, oh my god, has this been there from the beginning?
I need to rewatch?
dan friesen
It's the quality of some of Shyamalan's lesser work.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Like Avatar, The Last Airbender.
dan friesen
That's what I hear.
So we'll get down to business on this here past times episode, but until we do that, before we do that, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, American Dialing Code Neon Nips.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, a dedication in two parts to George, the finest feline who will be missed dearly, and to all the wonderful people on the KF Discord server.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, that one with the boobs.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, sloth philosophy who never got his buttons.
Yep.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'd love to get you that button.
I do have bags of buttons still.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Next, Alex in Aberfan, South Wales.
Parathetically, it's true.
He does look like a lot of Welsh men.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we get a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Emory Corps, providing a better today, tomorrow, with the knowledge that Chicago rules and Madison drools.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
But also, fuck you, Madison.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I've been to Madison, Wisconsin once or twice.
I think it's a fine town.
I got nothing against Madison.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, as far as Madison goes, comedy on state, boy.
Yeah, that makes up for a lot.
Makes up for a lot.
dan friesen
Yeah, I never got to perform there.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Never booked.
jordan holmes
It is one of those rooms.
dan friesen
Never performed in Appleton?
Is that the same club?
jordan holmes
Skyline?
No.
dan friesen
Never performed there either.
jordan holmes
I've never performed there either.
dan friesen
Wisconsin, not a hot city for me.
I guess I did do Milwaukee a couple times.
jordan holmes
Milwaukee and Madison, yeah, but I mean, it's not like I did time.
Kenosha?
alex jones
Kenosha?
jordan holmes
Booked on comedy on state, yeah.
How about South Beloit?
dan friesen
Yeah, love it.
I prefer North Beloit.
So we start off the episode.
Alex has some news that is going to kick off the show.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
This just in from Sky Television News, national television in the United Kingdom.
Report 130 soldiers killed in Iraq.
We're not hearing that here, are we?
A Pentagon source has set up to 130 U.S. troops have been killed in fierce fighting in Iraq in the last day.
A large-scale battle, described as intense, has taken place in the town of Ar-Ramadi, 20 miles west of Foljala.
dan friesen
So this is a Real Sky News article that Alex is reporting on, but it ultimately turned out not to be correct.
Alex consistently pronounces Fallujah like that, but I don't want to be too much of a dick about it.
I mispronounce things all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, I just wanted to be...
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm pointing it out for the sake of clarity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So this has to do with a battle that broke out in Ramadi on April 6th, and in the first day of fighting, 12 U.S. soldiers were killed.
The thing is that even in the Sky News article, the reporter David Chatter is quoted as saying, quote, none of this is official yet, none of this is confirmed, which should be a cause to take the numbers that are being cited with a grain of salt.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex isn't into that.
He takes the unconfirmed numbers as concrete and then accuses the other media outlets of not covering the story.
In reality, other U.S. mainstream media outlets covered this battle, and with the gift of hindsight, they were much more accurate.
CNN reported, quote, as many as a dozen U.S. Marines were killed Tuesday in heavy fighting in the western Iraq town of Ramadi.
The Washington Post had an article about it, as did the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.
The Chicago Tribune covered the story saying, quote, about a dozen U.S. Marines were killed Tuesday as fighting across Iraq intensified.
They said about a dozen because all told, the fatalities included these 12 marines, another U.S. soldier, and one coalition soldier from Ukraine.
I was trying to figure out where this 130 number could have come from, and the best guess that I have is that it was a mistake on the part of the Sky News reporter.
The Chicago Tribune article includes a figure that 130 Iraqis had died since fighting broke out that Sunday, which I have a suspicion is what is being confused by the Sky News article and then reported by Alex.
I'm not sure, that's just my best guess, but whatever the case is for what happened, it appears that this unconfirmed figure was inaccurate, but may actually reflect the death toll Yeah.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This highlights an important feature of Alex's news philosophy, though.
Here you can see him finding something a bit speculative that works pretty well for his narratives.
Instead of recognizing the speculative nature of the story, he treats it as rock solid.
And not only that, the rest of the media refuses to even cover the story.
It's incredibly important for Alex to present the rest of the media as covering up all the truths that he relays to the audience, because those same media outlets often report out information that debunks his narratives.
So nothing they say should be taken seriously.
Yeah.
unidentified
Except for when Alex needs to use them as, like, even major media sponsorships.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is interesting.
Because when you're talking about 2004 and this kind of, like, corroboration, you know, he doesn't just have...
Twitter.
He doesn't just have somebody who will send out a tweet and he'll be like, okay, this is the lie I'm going to base something off of.
Like, what do you...
dan friesen
A lot of times it's probably message boards.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Like, it's so fascinating how social media is tinged backwards all of the ways that we kind of view this kind of news.
I don't know how I would process it now.
dan friesen
Well, I think you...
Well...
jordan holmes
Without a social media to, like, scream in every possible direction.
dan friesen
And hear everybody screaming.
jordan holmes
And hear everybody screaming.
Yeah, everybody, you know, just went to school that day.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, you see this bit of reporting from Sky News.
It says nothing is confirmed.
So you take it as like, wow, that could be bad.
Yeah!
I mean, obviously war is always bad.
But, you know, this could be something or it could be off.
Who knows?
And then you wait for confirmation and more solid reporting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have to.
dan friesen
Which doesn't work now.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
You're right.
It was them saying, this is unconfirmed, and you would go, oh, well then I'll hold off.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that would be it.
dan friesen
And then you would hold off.
Not Alex.
Even without social media and all those influences, he's still doing the same thing that people are now doing with social media.
So we've got an introduction of a narrative that will take over the rest of the show here in this next clip.
alex jones
We've got their press release now.
We're going to get them on the show, the owner of the number one bar disco in Madrid, Spain, where to get into the VIP section, you've got to take a microchip.
And they're doing it right now.
And how many times did I tell you?
It's going to be a status symbol.
Your teenage children, within just a few years, will be demanding that they get the chip.
They will run out to the so-called tattoo parlors that are now being signed on by Verichip.
It'll be a counterculture thing sold to you directly by the military industrial complex.
And there's now a bus here in the U.S. Embedded microchip seller Verichip announces Chipmobile is on the move.
Watch for the Chipmobile coming to your town or neighborhood.
Like the ice cream truck, children lining up for their chips.
We got that on the website.
Folks, there's so much.
This show is going to be absolutely huge.
dan friesen
So huge!
that Alex was a little bit off on his chip predictions.
unidentified
You think?
dan friesen
If anyone is trying to get making chips seem cool in 2024, it's his good buddy Elon Musk, and Alex is not criticizing him about that.
He's spending his time on air pretending that Musk is purely using his Neuralink chips to treat disabilities because covering it that way allows the audience to pretend that Musk isn't doing the exact shit Alex has claimed the globalists are trying to do for decades.
Anyway, this is about a club in Barcelona, not Madrid, and it's called the Baja Beach Club.
The owners decided that it would be a good idea to offer the option to people to get a chip implant that would serve as their VIP membership card, although they could still opt for a non-chip membership if they preferred.
The thinking was that people were going to go to a dance club and they didn't want to worry about having a purse or wallet that could be stolen, and that having a digital membership you could use to buy drinks would be really convenient.
One guy who got the chip was interviewed and he summed up the appeal saying, quote, you don't need money in your pockets and you can't lose it either when you are jumping.
The chip is jump dancing safe.
Can't argue.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, if you take a lot of E and rave, then a chip is perfect for not remembering where your money is.
dan friesen
I need to jump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty regularly.
jordan holmes
You need to jump.
dan friesen
So by the end of 2004, only 12 people had opted for the chip VIP card.
This is kind of the best outcome possible for that bar.
Sure.
You want a ton of people not necessarily to take this option, because doing so removes the VIP element of it all.
And really, at the end of the day, this was a move primarily aimed at drumming up publicity for the club, which was wildly successful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
By 2008, they'd abandoned the chip program entirely.
So this company, Verichip, did operate what they called a chipmobile, but it wasn't like an ice cream truck.
It went to senior citizen centers and offered the chips to Alzheimer's patients.
There were a bunch of articles in, like, 2002 about the Chipmobile providing chips for eight people and how that technology could be really helpful in situations where disoriented patients arrive at a hospital and may not be able to provide staff with important details, like who they are or what they might be allergic to.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Of course, people in Alex's world called this the Mark of the Beast because something has to be called the Mark of the Beast every month or so.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that was this one for this time.
jordan holmes
Man, that's just...
dan friesen
Ice cream truck.
jordan holmes
So it's just the chips that they put in pets.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there were some medical applications that the FDA approved for humans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, every time I've seen a pet go to a vet and they just scan the chip and they've got everything, I've been like, yeah, let's just chip people.
That makes sense.
Just scan the shit and then let's move on.
dan friesen
I think there's some concerns and definitely a debate that could be had, but I also think that some of the fear about it is maybe a little overblown.
We'll get to explore all of these ideas in the coming episode.
unidentified
I believe you.
dan friesen
So Alex has a bit of a prediction in this clip, and you can guess.
You can decide for yourself if this was a good prediction.
Hashtag Alex Jones is right.
alex jones
Let me tell you this.
Now, you know I make predictions, and unfortunately they've all come true.
I will now make one.
Let me make a conservative guess, or estimate, or prediction.
jordan holmes
I thought it was a prediction.
alex jones
Because I would say two years, but to be safe, I will say within four years, there will be reports every week.
Many of you as listeners will experience it as your 14-year-old daughter or son throws a fit and demands the IM-12 megachip.
jordan holmes
I want the IM-12 megachip, Dad!
alex jones
And say, all my friends are getting it.
I can't get in to certain events.
I'm not cool.
I can't interface the internet through my computer sunglasses if I don't have this.
I've got to have it.
And your child will come home, and you will never know until they're 20 years old that six years before, they were implanted with a chip.
unidentified
And they're going to take the chip.
jordan holmes
They're going to take the chip.
alex jones
And if you catch them, they're going to scream and yell at you.
If you find the receipt in their dresser drawer...
They're going to say, I deserve it, you old coot!
jordan holmes
You weirdo Christian!
This is so cool!
unidentified
Donnie D, the Mac G rapper, has it.
jordan holmes
The Mac G?
alex jones
All these cool people have got it.
You're not going to stop me.
It's mine!
Now, I'm serious.
dan friesen
He's serious!
jordan holmes
He's serious.
dan friesen
So this one did not pan out.
Conservative.
Conservative estimate, four years.
2008.
Yeah, that's what happened.
jordan holmes
Here's what I love.
Here's what I love so much about predictions about what the kids will find cool.
Those predictions are made almost entirely by people who have never and will never be cool.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know?
So it's like, oh, these, you know, it's like the Google glasses.
They're like, oh, people are going to love wearing cool AR glasses.
It's going to be so cool.
And everybody saw it and they're like, you look like a fucking idiot, man.
And then we all just moved on.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are, there's some harsh awakenings for people who have ideas.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is basing this off like, I don't know, his love of sci-fi when he was a kid and shit like this and, you know.
I just, I don't know.
I don't preclude the possibility that there could come a time in the future where some kind of chip Is useful in some applications in society.
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
I don't foresee a future where kids are going and getting chips behind your parents' back and your parents find the receipt.
Because Donnie D, the Mac G rapper.
jordan holmes
I want to try and be clear.
Because I know parents are all very scared of what's the next thing kids are going to find cool.
And I'm going to tell you this.
There's only two things.
Sex and drugs.
Still cool.
They were cool when I was a kid.
Before that, before that, and before that.
dan friesen
There's a couple of other sort of...
jordan holmes
Sure, there's new ones.
dan friesen
Fireworks.
No, I mean things that are always in there.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, there's sex, drugs, fireworks.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
To a certain group blades.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The blade group is always...
Slight danger.
As long as you let the blade group...
Be free and happy.
And Rome, they're good.
It's when you try and cage them that they get into trouble.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is going to have an interview with the guy who runs the Baja Beach Club.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Alex had mentioned that already.
He said, we got the press release, we're going to have this guy on.
And I thought that meant in a future episode.
jordan holmes
The Spanish guy.
dan friesen
He's not Spanish, he's American.
He lives in Barcelona.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay, okay.
dan friesen
I didn't realize that that was meant like...
In a couple of minutes, we're going to interview this guy.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
So he comes in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And this is one of the weirdest fucking interviews that I've ever heard.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex is so nice to this guy.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Because he's trying to bait him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And we'll see this play out over the course of the interview.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But here's where we begin.
alex jones
We've been talking about the global mood to making an implantable radio frequency identification microchip to be the global identification system.
And I talked about how it's...
Something we'll first see in VIP circles.
And we are honored to be joined by Conrad Chase, the director of the Baja Beach Disco Bars that's in several European countries, and then it's the top-of-the-line club system.
jordan holmes
Top-of-the-line.
alex jones
And he has been implanted with the Verichip radio frequency identification system.
He was implanted on the national television show called Big Brother over there.
And now the VIPs of the bar, those that went into the VIP room, will have it.
And joining us from Madrid, Spain, is Conrad Chang.
That's right.
Good to have you on the show.
conrad chase
Good to be here.
In Barcelona, Spain, actually.
alex jones
Okay, I apologize.
conrad chase
No, no, it's probably our fault.
My secretary probably screwed up with that.
alex jones
No, I'm not sure it's our fault.
But they're in Barcelona.
dan friesen
So right off the bat, Alex is introducing the theme of this interview.
The globalists are trying to make you get an RFID chip, and their plan is to make it seem cool.
His interview subject, Conrad Chase, is the owner of a bar that's offering microchips for VIPs, which is supposed to be the exact thing the globalists would do.
He's saying that the special people get chips.
Conrad doesn't realize at this point, but that's the accusation that's running underneath this entire interview.
He's there on trial, but he doesn't know that.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's a bar owner who thinks he's doing a promotional interview for the bar.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
But in reality, Alex is setting him up.
The first thing Conrad does is correct Alex about his bar being in Barcelona, not Madrid, and Alex is so gracious about it.
He's the most agreeable interview you could ever imagine.
And this is a strategy that Alex is going to employ in this interview to put Conrad at ease.
Which is working, it works really well.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But to take advantage of him, essentially.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So when I said that I, there's the Shyamalan-y twist or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This interview, when I was listening to the episode, I thought, snooze.
Incredibly bleh.
Yeah.
But then, as the rest of the show went on, I'm like, oh, no, no.
We have to break down the minutia of this interview of Alex being so nice to this guy and trying to lure him into traps.
jordan holmes
Right.
Gotcha.
Okay, so what eventually turns out to be a non-eventful walk through the forest...
dan friesen
In the real world.
jordan holmes
...should have been filled with traps, explosives, and he falls and then lands on spikes.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's a pretty...
jordan holmes
Alex is just bad at leading him to the traps.
dan friesen
No, he falls into a bunch of traps.
jordan holmes
Oh, he falls into a bunch of traps.
dan friesen
But they're really boring.
In the real world, this is a boring interview.
Within the prism of Infowars, it becomes the most...
Sinister, evil thing that Alex has ever experienced.
And that's jarring.
It's very difficult to explain.
But you'll see it as things go on.
jordan holmes
Like if somebody goes into a McDonald's and everybody's having a great time and they just behave as if they're haunted.
Like, just terrified.
Just constant.
There's ghosts everywhere.
And all you see is everybody in the play place sliding down slides, just having a grand old time.
dan friesen
Yeah, but if one person was dressed as a ghost.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
So there's a little bit of the appearance here.
jordan holmes
So you're like, okay, maybe this will be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
But that's just ghosty Pete.
You know, he's just the guy who, he's a local character.
jordan holmes
Ghosty Pete's always there.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex asks about Conrad being chipped, and here's the answer for that.
alex jones
You yourself have been implanted.
Can you tell us about that?
conrad chase
I have, yes.
I have the very chip, VIP chip in my arm.
It is a radio frequency ID tag.
It's a microtransmitter.
It only transmits when the reader is in the vicinity, and the reader has to charge the chip before it to actually transmit its identifying signal.
So you cannot be localized all over the world via satellite, as some people may fear.
alex jones
Okay.
Now...
jordan holmes
Yes, you can.
alex jones
When you go into the club, why did you decide to start this program at the Barcelona Club?
conrad chase
Exactly.
Well, we just opened our new VIP lounge here on the 25th.
We had the inauguration of our VIP lounge, and I wanted to have something very unique that no other club had, and we were able to achieve that with the VIP chip.
dan friesen
So if you didn't get the sense that something was off about this interview, this should be setting off huge alarm bells at this point.
Conrad is telling Alex that the RFID chips require the power from the reader to even operate, so they can't be used to track people.
Under normal circumstances, Alex would hear that and shout the person down.
But instead, he hears it and just moves to the next question.
It's very curious, and if I were in Conrad's position, I would be like, hang up, hang up.
jordan holmes
I love it.
He's trying to get out in front of things.
He's like, hey, listen, I understand.
And before you even go any further, people have had joking questions and reasonable feared questions of like, oh, can the satellites follow me?
No, I guarantee they have not.
And Alex not screaming, yes, they fucking can and I'll kill your.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Conrad doesn't necessarily probably even know who Alex is, so he doesn't know that that's weird.
jordan holmes
No clue.
He's just having a normal conversation.
dan friesen
But the second question there reveals a lot.
When he was asked why he did the chip thing, Conrad basically says that they want to do something splashy to promote the opening of their new video.
emotional interview as far as Conrad knows because this whole thing is marketing.
jordan holmes
It's a whole.
dan friesen
And I think Alex understands that.
I think he understands what this guy's interest in being there is.
And he's using that to his advantage.
jordan holmes
Because Alex understands that it is marketing.
Yeah.
On a fundamental level, he understands that truly this is marketing.
I am not actually discovering the mark of the beast on some fucking VIP club in Barcelona.
dan friesen
And this guy has an interest in marketing himself, his club, this technology, and all this stuff.
So he can use that against him.
Do a judo move and make that appear to be marketing for the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Okay, so what I'm hearing is that this is our proto-Tucker-Putin interview.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
I mean, this is a guy who runs a bar.
Alex Jones in 2004.
jordan holmes
He has supreme power over the bar.
And Alex Jones is essentially where Tucker is now, back in 2004.
unidentified
I'd be debatable if he has supreme power over the bar.
dan friesen
Get 12 people to get VIP chips.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but he could kill any of them remotely.
No, he couldn't.
Yeah, see, okay, fine.
dan friesen
So Alex asks, you know, you got some other bars.
Yeah.
Are those ones going to have some chips?
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, obviously.
alex jones
Sir, is this going to be done at the U.S. and British and the club in Holland?
conrad chase
It's definitely going to be done in my club in Holland, and I will be opening soon in Cologne, Germany, another Baja Beach club.
And the...
The England, the clubs in Britain are actually a franchise, so I haven't had the opportunity to speak with them yet to find out whether they are interested or not, but I'm quite sure that this concept is really growing and I'm quite sure that they'll be interested soon.
dan friesen
So Conrad probably thinks that's a perfectly innocent question that someone with interest in doing a promotional interview might ask, but...
It's actually Alex grilling this guy.
These questions are being delivered with all the fake respect Alex can muster and designed to elicit responses that Alex can incorporate into the narrative that he's building.
For instance, this question was fishing for a response that the chip plan was going to be incorporated in all these other clubs, particularly the ones of the United States, so Alex could claim that the globalists are doing a trial run in Barcelona, but their main plan is to bring it here so they can chip all of his patriot buddies.
Conrad doesn't realize it, but Alex is asking him set-up questions, which explains why he's being so pleasant.
He doesn't want to raise any alarm bells and get this fish off the hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is as close to an FBI...
You're not under suspicion.
We're just coming in for a conversation.
This is totally normal.
Anything you say absolutely, totally won't be used against you.
Cut to.
dan friesen
So Alex asks again about, hey, you got your own chip, right?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because the answer to that one went a little off the rails.
And Alex really wants to nail down this idea that you got it on Big Brother.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Which is apparently...
jordan holmes
Wait, Big Brother the TV show?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was on Big Brother?
dan friesen
Gran Hermano, the Spanish version.
alex jones
Can you tell us about your implantation procedure and where that took place?
jordan holmes
Because that's very interesting.
conrad chase
Sure.
Well, we did that actually on a Thursday night at 2 o 'clock in the morning while the club was open and performed it right here in the club, in the VIP lounge.
And I had a doctor come to perform the procedure.
It can be performed by any licensed nurse who is certified or is trained in...
alex jones
Yeah, it's very convenient, a one-time deal, very, very easy to get the chip.
conrad chase
It's a simple injection, really, really simple, straightforward.
They do use a small needle to put a small anesthesia in first, and then they put the chip in, and it's not painful at all because of the local anesthetic.
alex jones
Now, I had read that this was also broadcast on some television there on a show called Big Brother.
conrad chase
Yeah, actually, it wasn't broadcast on Big Brother.
What we had was the people from Big Brother came to our club and were going to be chipped.
It turned out being that on the night there was a great deal of chaos, the club was just So they're going to videotape it later for the show?
Yeah, exactly.
alex jones
Well, that'll be the other...
That would kind of fit with the show, I guess.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex had some details wrong because he saw the words Big Brother in an article about Conrad that he skimmed and wrote his own story about it.
The way this was supposed to go was that Conrad would say that he got the chip on Big Brother, which is a subtle message.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The globalists are laughing at you.
jordan holmes
Nominative determinism, yeah.
dan friesen
In the real world, Conrad was on season six of the Spanish version of Big Brother, but that wouldn't end up being until September 2004, which is months after this.
The way Big Brother works is that the show is being filmed as it's airing, because audience votes end up altering various aspects of the game, and in the Spanish version, the audience actually voted who to evict from the house.
It wasn't a house vote.
as it is in the American version.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
It seems to me that the only way that this could work is that some people who work on the show were going to get a chip to become VIPs as part of a video package that Conrad would, about him, that would play at the start of the season to flesh out his character.
That's what I have to assume.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because it couldn't have been other contestants getting chipped since it's months before that season started, and it's months after the previous season had ended.
So there's just no way unless this was like a video package that they were filming because he was going to be on the next season.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Fun fact, Conrad came in second that season.
jordan holmes
He came in second?
dan friesen
Good for him.
Not a fun fact, but yeah, good for him.
jordan holmes
Good for him.
dan friesen
Proud of him.
Yeah.
Yeah, so he's on Big Brother.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
That show sucks.
I'm not sure the Spanish version.
jordan holmes
Wait, Gran Hermano sucks?
dan friesen
I don't know if Gran Hermano sucks.
jordan holmes
Man, it makes me...
That's such a better name.
I just love...
Yeah, Big Brother is very mundane and annoying, but Gran Hermano?
I'll watch the shit out of Gran Hermano.
dan friesen
Gran Hermano is the longest-running international version of Big Brother, from what I understand.
jordan holmes
Have you heard the name?
dan friesen
It's been on for fucking ever.
Yeah.
Man.
That show is a mess.
Anyway, this interview goes on towards other subjects.
And I think that if I were Conrad at a certain point, I would start to realize, like, man, he's asking a fair amount of questions that aren't about my bar and aren't about this VIP program.
Maybe I should be a little bit on guard.
jordan holmes
That's what happens when you're disarmed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
You had told my producer that FN Herzl...
A big manufacturer of firearms is moving ahead with a chip for the hand to access your firearm.
conrad chase
Yes, Alex, that's very interesting what they're doing.
It's really a great idea because the policemen that will be using it, they will have the chip implanted in their firing hand, right between the thumb and forefinger.
And that will actually provide a means of allowing the pistol to function.
If somebody were to steal the pistol from them, it does them no good.
It cannot fire unless you've got the proper chip in the hand.
alex jones
Well, there's a move here in the U.S. to make all the gun manufacturers put RFID in the gun.
Then you wear a ring that activates it.
There's a move, actually, to make that the law by 2006.
Do you think that's a good idea?
conrad chase
I think it's a great idea.
alex jones
Might be much easier to have the chip, though.
conrad chase
I think it'd be a lot easier to have the chip, because then you have the other advantages of having the chip.
You cannot lose it.
A ring, you can lose.
The chip, you cannot lose.
You don't have to worry about forgetting it if you ever were to take it off.
dan friesen
Fair point.
So this is getting a bit rangy.
Conrad's a guy who manages this bar in Barcelona who's trying to whip up press for his new VIP lounge.
But he also seems to be pretty into the microchip technology personally.
He seems to be a fan.
But I'm left wondering why it matters that he thinks it's a good idea to have chips for people to use guns.
This man lives in Spain and has no legitimate impact on legislation there or in the United States.
This is something that Alex can disagree with him about, but I struggle to see how this is meaningful.
But this is an instance where Alex is asking these baiting questions and he got exactly the answer he was looking for.
He doesn't respond to this with anger or even comment after Conrad answers because it went perfectly.
This guy who's running a microchip program to make chipping look cool wants you to have to get a chip to get a gun.
Alex has something he can work with here, but things aren't really where they need to be because this is still just a guy who runs a bar.
We need to elevate him somehow, which will be the next major challenge Alex has to face in this presentation that he's putting forth with this interview.
Why does it matter that this bar owner...
Wants people to get chips.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think the obvious thing is that the bar owner gets the famous people, the famous people get the chips, the famous people make regular people want to get the chips, etc.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Right?
That's the traditional...
dan friesen
But what does it matter that the bar owner thinks that you should have a chip to get a gun?
What impact does that have on any of this?
jordan holmes
Well, because then only famous people with chips will be able to get guns.
dan friesen
Well, okay, fine.
But the...
jordan holmes
And then they'll hunt regular people, as we all know.
dan friesen
The place of reality intersection is like, okay, you can grill him about the impact that making it look cool to get a chip has, I guess.
But when you're trying to branch it off into all of these other microchip conspiracies, you kind of need to make him more than just a guy who runs a bar.
You need to make him more important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
All right, so he's got to be operative of some sort, right?
So he's working on behalf of the globalists as an undercover bar Baja agent.
dan friesen
Like John Tapper?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tapper?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is it Tapper or Tapper?
jordan holmes
One of those.
dan friesen
Bar Rescue?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's what he's got to be.
dan friesen
That's not an undercover bar.
It's close.
So, well, there's one way you can go with it.
The other way that Alex decides to try and get at this problem is be like, you're working with Verichip.
Verichip is the company that makes the chips.
So he's trying to put him one step higher up the ladder than he appears to be.
alex jones
Now, obviously you've been in contact with Verichip, the company.
I'd imagine they're pretty excited to have someone prominent with this VIP connection to be promoting this.
conrad chase
Yes, yes.
We have a very good working relationship.
I'm actually taking on a distributorship here in the Benelux.
alex jones
Did you know IBM really owns Verichip?
jordan holmes
Like in a metaphorical sense?
conrad chase
I haven't heard of that.
Verichip is owned by the Applied Digital Systems Corporation.
alex jones
Yeah, but the main creditors and some of the board controllers are IBM, which is interesting.
I'm just saying a big technology company like that.
conrad chase
I wasn't aware of that.
They're a major shareholder in ADSX.
Okay.
alex jones
Yeah, and at the same time, you know, the plant is in Beijing, China.
Were you aware of that?
conrad chase
Yes, yes.
alex jones
So there are also some shareholders in it.
dan friesen
What?
So now we're starting to flesh out the answer as to why this guy matters.
He's in cahoots with Verichip, who's secretly owned by IBM and the Chinese.
Now this isn't just a bar owner.
It's a major player in an international conspiracy where his job is to make the chip look cool and hip for the kids.
You can see how this is starting to take shape.
The angles that Alex needs to pursue in order to make this interview what he wants it to be are being pursued.
So Verichip is owned, as Conrad is saying, by a company called Applied Digital Solutions.
In 1999, ADS took out a loan from IBM's credit company, and as of 2003, owed them about $77 million.
However, in 2003, ADS sued IBM, quote, alleging interference with business relationships, racketeering, fraud, and conspiracy.
They have a very sour relationship at this point, and a month before this episode was recorded, IBM demanded ADS repay their loan.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's no good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
ADS was preparing to declare bankruptcy, but IBM decided they could just pay back $30 million of the loan, and then they would call it even, as opposed to them just going out of business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't sue us.
It's basically a settlement.
dan friesen
Yeah.
IBM does not own the company.
They just gave them a sizable loan, and then things fell apart as ADS became a less viable company when the dot-com boom ended.
jordan holmes
That happens.
dan friesen
Also, just because something is produced in China, that does not mean that the Chinese government is a part owner of the company.
What I think is really interesting there is the dynamic that plays out over the course of this clip.
Alex directly asserts that IBM owns Verichip, but he wasn't expecting that Conrad would know the company that actually owns them.
Because Conrad pushes back, Alex has to retreat from his firm assertion that IBM owns the company to some vague ideas about boards and creditors.
This is how Alex is with all of his information.
He has very strong statements that he makes about his shit because he knows that most of the time no one will actually know anything about what he's talking about.
In those instances...
runs into someone with actual knowledge about the thing he's talking about, he crumbles.
And he has to severely hedge the strong statements he started off with.
And part of the reason he crumbles is because he's not looking to have an argument with Conrad at all.
Alex is doing this interview and saying the things he's saying with a wink to the audience.
He's playing to them, and Conrad's a prop in this.
It doesn't serve anyone's interest to argue about whether or not IBM owns the company.
I'm just trying to inject that for the audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think what is interesting is that Alex is kind of taken aback by him knowing about the computer chip.
dan friesen
Which is why he has to equivocate.
That changes his stance.
jordan holmes
Which is like, if I'm Alex, that seems like a great judo move.
Like, now you know too much.
You know enough to now be even higher up in my conspiracy, because now you even know who owns shit?
Oh, okay.
How do you know yet?
dan friesen
That realization might dawn on Alex at some point.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But one of the other things that is, I think, a hallmark of Alex's strategy is he never pursues lines of thought consistently.
So you have this approach here where you have, ah, here's a conspiracy thread.
The gun's chipping thing.
You know, scary.
And you have this other thread where it's like, he's working with Verichip, so he's an important person.
He's a big part of this conspiracy.
But then there's also just like, you go off on sidetracks.
You do like, instead of an A-A-A-A-A-B-B-B-B-B-C-C-C, you have an A-C-B-B-C-A.
You jump all over the place, so the point of what you're doing is a little bit distorted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do that.
dan friesen
Sure.
I think a lot of people do.
jordan holmes
No, interviews on purpose.
dan friesen
Shifting gears.
alex jones
Sir, I know you're getting ready for a big night.
If we can just spend maybe ten more minutes with you, because I've got some other interesting questions about this.
Are you going to have any of your dancing girls implanted?
conrad chase
Yes, I have a lot of people who are interested, several employees.
What I wanted to do is I wanted to get some of our customers chipped, and we just, this past Monday, had three customers chipped.
And next week on Tuesday, I am scheduling another chipping session where I'll be chipping another six customers.
I want to first build up our customer database of people who have been chipped, and then I'll start working on the employees.
dan friesen
So Alex is asking if the dancing girls are getting chipped because he's fishing for things that would make getting chipped sexier to the general public.
Also, I'm not sure if there are dancing girls at this club, the way Alex is suggesting it.
It's interesting to hear that he's chipped three customers and there are six lined up because that's pretty close to all of the customers that he would have signed up by the end of the year, according to an analysis done by researchers from the University of Wollongong.
So it feels like, you know, it's a press tour.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is what this is.
jordan holmes
On the other hand, though, it does make sense that he would know a lot about the chip because this is 2004 and you're getting a chip implanted into your body, right?
Like, even now in 2024, the most famous rich person alive is...
Telling people that I'm going to put computer chips inside of you, and people are understandably, for the most part, reasonably concerned.
dan friesen
That was 2004!
The best I can tell is he's actually very interested in this technology, and that's why he chose it to be the big PR stunt that they're doing to open this VIP lounge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a personal thing that he is interested in.
dan friesen
Also, he was in a Dutch boy band called the Baja Boys.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
No, he was not.
dan friesen
He was.
jordan holmes
He was in a Dutch...
He was in a Dutch boy band.
He's an American who's in a Dutch boy band.
dan friesen
Who runs a bar in Barcelona.
jordan holmes
Who runs a bar in Barcelona and was on Gran Hermano.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That is correct.
jordan holmes
I love this guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think I do.
dan friesen
Well, I have terrible news for you, and that is that he just died recently.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
Died in January.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
I feel terrible bringing that news to you.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But, so, this...
The idea about trying to make this more appealing, make the chip more appealing, continues on through the next question.
alex jones
Now, we've got your press release.
We're going to be posting that.
But I wanted to know what type of perks, because I was hearing that some of the stuff at your club, your fabulous club, is free.
So you get just really clean-o perks and you get the chip.
conrad chase
Right, exactly.
If you install the chip, then you get free entrance.
The entrance is normally €14, but with the chip, you get free entrance, well, basically for the rest of your life.
jordan holmes
€14?
conrad chase
For the time you get the chip implanted.
God dang it!
Top end.
jordan holmes
All floor money!
conrad chase
The chip costs €125, but what we do is we, the person would pay the €125 for the chip, and then they automatically receive €100 credit on their balance to be put towards purchases in the club.
dan friesen
So this is another question meant to elicit the answer that shows that the chip is being made to look alluring.
These are the carrots that are being dangled out in front of people.
Come on, don't you want to get the chip?
You get all these perks of the club and the sexy dancing girls are doing it.
It's so cool.
It's pretty shocking to me that Conrad can't hear the sarcasm in Alex's voice when he calls his club fabulous.
We've listened to enough of him that that sets off immediate alarms.
But this guy just thinks he's doing a normal-ass interview, not that the person he's talking to is trying to set him up.
It's wild.
jordan holmes
I, I, I, it is.
dan friesen
Ooh, you're a fabulous club.
unidentified
It is, it is.
dan friesen
These wonderful perks.
jordan holmes
Man, Alex.
The worst thing that happened is he got famous.
He got too famous.
If Alex stayed within a certain range, you can't see him coming.
What in the world?
There's no way you see a guy like Alex coming if you're a bar owner in Barcelona who's just chipping people because you got super interested in the chip technology.
dan friesen
And because you probably have a lot of interviews that you're doing because this is being covered by a lot of outlets.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So you probably don't have time to even figure out who are all these people you're doing interviews with.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Alex is going to slip through the cracks, and he is going to fucking exploit it.
jordan holmes
And he can't do this stuff when he's famous.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This is not something he can do now.
If you know it's Alex, then you are fucked, you know?
What is with this?
dan friesen
His profile's too high to trick most people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is great.
dan friesen
So, I mean, there's a certain amount of this that...
Conrad, maybe causing his own problems with the way Alex is going to present this.
alex jones
I'm reading some quotes, some of the things you said.
Did you say, quote, the chip will prevail in the future because in those times the people will use it as cash and getting rid of the need for a credit card?
I think that the first stage of microchipping of people has reached our country.
This is being launched to appeal to young people in the first place.
conrad chase
Yes, yes.
That is a statement that I made, I believe, with a television program from Portugal.
Yes, I believe wholeheartedly in the chip system.
The biggest advantage of it is that you don't have to worry about carrying cards around with you.
You don't have to worry about them getting lost, stolen, counterfeited.
You've got the chip with you at all times.
You can't forget it and nobody can steal it from you.
alex jones
So, that's an interesting statement.
The chip will prevail, almost like it's a war.
conrad chase
Well, I'm not a fighter.
I'm not going to start any more wars.
The world has not wars, but I believe very strongly in the chip in that it, well, perhaps could prevent wars.
dan friesen
I think Alex was even surprised that this dude just said the chipping might prevent wars.
That's almost too perfect for what Alex is on the hunt for.
This question is meant to further the idea that Conrad is in on the conspiracy to trick young people into getting chipped as part of something bigger and more sinister.
That's pretty ridiculous, and his answer is right in line with what he is.
This guy who manages a bar who's made a plan to differentiate himself from the crowd with early adoption of what he thinks is going to be the next big tech thing.
He's wrong, but Alex is very clearly asking about this quote to twist his words.
When he says it's going to prevail, you get the sense that he means as a payment option or something.
It's not like everyone is going to be using it, but it'll prevail in the market.
Yeah.
unidentified
Alex is dancing around the subject because he has to know that if he were to just say, hey, I think your VIP chip thing is a critical piece of the international system, And then what do you do?
dan friesen
You don't have any more fun quotes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what I find so interesting about all of this Mark of the Beast shit and all of these ideas and all that stuff is ultimately, like, if you go back and then kind of just trace the broad strokes, when cell phones became so ubiquitous that everyone had one...
It made perfect sense to turn all of those conveniences into just stuff that you could add on or make the phone do.
Everybody already had a phone.
dan friesen
Camera.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Put it on your phone.
jordan holmes
RFID chip.
unidentified
Wallet!
jordan holmes
Credit cards!
dan friesen
Everything!
This is a great example of that.
Like, let's look at the credit card aspect.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There are people who can use their phone to pay for stuff.
But guess what?
You can pay for stuff all kinds of other ways.
jordan holmes
Every other way.
dan friesen
It doesn't become the only method that's accepted, or even the predominant method.
It's just something that is a convenience for some people.
And you would imagine that if there were a point where chips became...
Not ubiquitous, but broadly accepted by people.
That's kind of the same way that it would be.
You could put your shoulder up to the reader as opposed to putting your phone on it.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
That's the kind of thing I would see.
jordan holmes
And that you have your phone with you more often than 98% of the time to the point where the metadata that your phone carries knows where you are at all times.
It's like everything that they've dreamt was inevitable being chipped to your body just became inevitable by...
Virtue of how necessary your phone is.
dan friesen
Yeah, convenience.
Yeah.
So Alex asks this fella if there's a future that he sees where you would need a chip to get into the club.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And his answer is strange.
alex jones
Do you ever see a point in 10 years where if you don't have the chip, you can't get in the club?
conrad chase
Yeah, definitely.
Definitely.
The people are embracing this technology.
I'm flooded with people who want the chip.
The only thing that's slowing me down from getting more people having the chip implanted is that it has to be done in a clean, sterile environment.
It has to be done by a medical professional, so I have to schedule that during the day.
It can be done at night.
alex jones
But you're a perfect atmosphere, though.
People are relaxed and happy, and I know Verichip has been opening offices here in the U.S. for implantation.
True.
So you're now part of the franchise, I guess.
You're going to be a provider of this, so I guess you could put a little sterile office in there and have the folks line up.
conrad chase
It's true.
It's something that I've been working at.
The caution that I have with that is that I prefer to have my customers sober.
I don't want them to be out.
I mean, there are medical concerns if someone has consumed a great deal of alcohol.
dan friesen
Sure.
But his answer there when Alex asks about the future, that's marketing.
That's not a sincere answer, and the demand at Barcelona Club is clearly lower than what he's telling Alex, saying he's flooded with requests.
This is, in essence, a perfect setup for Alex, because in order for Conrad to pursue his goals of promoting the club, he has to make getting the chip seem like an appealing prospect, which is actually exactly what Alex is saying the globalists want him to do.
But his actions pursuing his own wants are indistinguishable.
Distinguishable from what a globalist would do pursuing the wants that Alex is describing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, your personal profit motive...
Leads to the exact same effect as a globalist evil secret plan.
dan friesen
You're fucked.
jordan holmes
Therefore, you're hosed.
There's nothing you can do.
dan friesen
But foreseeing a future where you need to be chipped to enter a club would require you to imagine a future where clubs are not market-driven businesses anymore.
When you're running a service business, you want to do whatever you can to limit the barriers to customers spending money at your establishment.
That's why a lot of bars are lax on carting people, because if you're loose on that, you take a risk, but you expand your pool of potential customers.
If we had a world where you needed to be chipped to get into a club, you're putting an unnecessary restriction on who can give you money.
The only way a business would go for that is if they were forced by the club.
the government, which if that's the case, then getting into a bar is the least of your worries in that scenario.
Right.
unidentified
That's not going to happen unless everything has changed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I appreciate the idea of like, okay, because it makes sense from the conspiracy point of view.
The evil people aren't just going to be like, hey, everybody gets chipped now.
You try and make it an attractive prospect.
So there's a certain amount of this that does make sense.
But, boy, I just feel like, and this could just be personal, right?
I just feel like the globalist evil isn't going to choose the Baja Club.
dan friesen
Baja Beach Club?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Baja Beach Club just seems like the wrong...
dan friesen
But it's run by a guy who's on Spanish Big Brother.
jordan holmes
No, and I understand all the surrounding stuff.
But I truly feel like this, again, this could just be my personal projection onto the globalists.
I feel like the name would turn them off.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I think the better way to do it would be get relevant pop stars.
jordan holmes
It would make sense.
dan friesen
I feel like that would have a far bigger impact than the VIP section of a bar that most people are not going to go to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, you know who's huge at this time?
Kanye West.
And I'm sure that'll never go wrong.
dan friesen
No.
Little Wayne have a song about I'm an Alien.
Didn't he have a song like that?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I have a chip.
Why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even Alex brought up that the hip rapper McG.
dan friesen
No, not McG.
Daddy, no, Big D, Donnie D, the Mac G rapper.
jordan holmes
Donnie D, the Mac G rapper.
dan friesen
Yes.
Very relevant performer.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So I got to say, there are instances in this interview that Conrad makes unforced errors, and this would be a big one.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, let's talk more about that.
You know, an Army War College document said that we're all going to accept the chip in the next few days.
jordan holmes
This is where a suspicion should be, very much.
alex jones
And, you know, thanks to the culture.
And so you do see a time in the future where you won't even be able to get in without the chip.
conrad chase
Yeah, I definitely see that.
I see in the future that the chip will be embraced here in my club, but I believe also it can.
Take the place of the passport.
unidentified
It could be a global passport.
conrad chase
Everyone on the planet would use this as a means of passport.
The problem, the limiting factor...
jordan holmes
Is Alex like twiddling?
conrad chase
The chicken little, the shy falling syndrome.
The same thing that we went through with Y2K that everyone went into a panic and predicted that...
There was going to be a huge blackout and whatnot.
jordan holmes
No one predicted that.
conrad chase
I think we've all seen that in the year 2000, the changeover from 1999 to 2000.
There were very few problems.
alex jones
I don't know, though, sir, if you can really compare those two, but certainly I can see that young people are going to be more open-minded and are going to be embracing this, and I've seen that.
conrad chase
Sorry.
alex jones
No, that's okay.
dan friesen
Oh, that's okay.
So, I gotta say, that was an unnecessary path for Conrad to go down.
Out of nowhere, suggesting that the chip could be a new form of a passport, come on, man.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
That couldn't be more precisely what Alex would hope this guest would say.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is about as good as it gets for Alex, but we still don't really have a reason to feel like this is more than a guy who runs a bar saying this.
We used to do stand-up.
We've met a lot of people who run bars, and they often believe insane things.
It's not that big of a deal that a guy who runs a bar thinks that microchips could replace passports.
Alex has speculated that he's in bed with the IBM and the Chinese government, but that really hasn't been firmly established.
So there's more work to do on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, as far as, like, relative eccentricities, this bar owner makes the most sense out of 99% of the ones that I've met.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
In my time, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's unfortunately seemingly fairly naive and is...
Happens to accidentally have found himself on Infowars.
jordan holmes
When he said it could be a new passport, it really feels like the words turgid and tumescent should be applied.
You know what I'm saying?
It's insane.
dan friesen
This is all just audio, so I don't know, but I would imagine that Alex got up and is dancing around the room.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's right.
The desk goes just a little bit higher.
You're a joke.
You did not just say that.
dan friesen
So now, in order to further this goal of making Conrad a more important cog within the machine, Alex brings him up again this idea of, like, you're working with Verichip.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
alex jones
Sir, now, you seem to be really up on all this about how we're going to accept that this will be the global model.
Did you have discussions with Verichip?
Is this their idea, or did you...
conrad chase
It was all my idea.
I take all the credit for it.
alex jones
But, I mean, your comments about this being the global ID and things, did you discuss this with Verichip, or was this their idea?
conrad chase
Yeah, I have had in-depth discussions with Keith Bolton, the vice president of Verichip.
In fact, yesterday, he and I were discussing it at great length, and I discussed the...
Yeah, my belief in the system and also gave a little advice to him that there needs to be a second source of verification, for example, a retina scan.
alex jones
Oh, on top of it.
jordan holmes
A double buck of the beast!
alex jones
Was Mr. Moulton talking about this global ID system?
conrad chase
Correct, yes.
He is a very, very strong believer in it.
He informed me yesterday that they are in discussion.
I believe, I don't want to quote directly, but I believe that they do have a signed contract with the Italian government to implement a contract.
a test of the Verichip system installed in government employees for verifying their identification.
dan friesen
So here is where Alex is making his move to make Conrad more important than just a guy who runs a bar.
Now we're getting the insinuation that Verichip is trying to to implement a world ID, and Conrad is more or less a front man working with them to make it look cool.
It seems like he's a guy who believes in the potential of this technology, and of course Verichip executives would want to pursue a gigantic business application of their tech, like for identification purposes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
The idea of a global ID based on this is a bit too ambitious, but having a contract with a government agency?
dan friesen
To provide secure identification for employees, that seems doable.
That seems basically what they're talking about.
Conrad thinks Alex is a well-meaning person, asking him about whether or not a chip business executive believes that their business can expand.
jordan holmes
Which is an interesting question.
dan friesen
But in reality, Alex is asking him, do you have any secret conspiracy conversations with Verichip about how they're going to force me to get the mark of the beast?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
You kind of start to feel bad for him, because there's an earnestness with which he's answering these questions, and it's just being used against him.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
You see the trap and you see what Alex is going to do with this.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
I mean, the irony of it is that he's almost far too earnest to ever believe that he's got an ulterior motive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's just so goddamn earnest.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
He's just literally like, man, I'm really actually excited about this computer check.
dan friesen
Kind of makes you understand how we could come in second on Big Brother.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I get it.
I mean, the idea that you could...
This would be a great guy to use if you're an evil corporation, but I just don't feel like there's any way for you to get this guy to really be evil about something that he likes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that if you were part of an evil conspiracy...
It would be unwise to talk like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think he would be able to do it.
I don't think he's got it in him to lie to Alex about how great something is if he doesn't actually believe it's great.
If he knows that it's going to hurt you, I don't think he could avoid saying, also, this is probably going to hurt you.
dan friesen
Well, that may be.
But he has some other ideas of ways this tech could be used.
And Alex has got to just be like, woo!
alex jones
What about special forces?
I've been hearing the military is going to be getting this.
conrad chase
That's where I see one of the largest advantages of this, to be put in the military.
I served in the military myself, and I know in the indoctrination process, you run through before boot camp, and you get your shots, and I can see this very easily being implanted in each soldier as they run through the indoctrination process.
And instead of carrying dog tags, which was always a problem, your dog tags would get lost or stolen.
The chip never gets lost or stolen.
We'll always be with you.
alex jones
Well, I'll tell you what, sir.
I know you're very busy, but I've just got four or five other questions.
We've got a quick three-minute break coming up.
Can we just do five minutes on the other side?
conrad chase
Sure, Alex.
No problem.
alex jones
Okay, thank you so much.
We're talking to Conrad Chase.
Just intriguing.
dan friesen
Just intriguing, guys.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
What is fucking happening?
dan friesen
You can just feel Alex's excitement.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it is.
Can I talk to you in five minutes?
I gotta go handle something in the bathroom for about five minutes.
dan friesen
I know you're super busy, but in my world, you are a big fish, and you're on the line, very clearly.
I gotta get as much content out of this as possible.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So one of the things that I just feel bad about listening to this is that I don't think that at any point, really, Conrad understands.
The context of the conversation Alex is having.
Because Alex is like, he's saying this stuff, and Conrad's laughing along with him, and it's just, oh, God.
alex jones
We're talking to Conrad Chase, the director of the Baja Beach Disco Bars in Europe, and he's now an Applied Digital Solutions implantation center.
They're putting all that in.
Again, he's still just implanting the customers.
jordan holmes
Just a bar guy.
alex jones
During the break, I talked to you, Mr. Chase.
You said you liked that.
If you want to be a VIP, got to get the chip.
That might be a...
Might be a slogan for you later, huh?
conrad chase
I like that, Alex.
It's very creative.
I might borrow that if I may.
alex jones
Sure, go ahead.
It's all yours.
Now, what's the Verichip PR line?
It's there when you need it?
conrad chase
We're there when you need it.
dan friesen
It just feels bad.
It feels dirty.
jordan holmes
Okay, that one's not fair.
That is not fair.
dan friesen
I mean, it makes sense.
unidentified
If you ask somebody to say the slogan for something...
dan friesen
But the slogan makes sense.
alex jones
Come on.
dan friesen
You know, having that information, if you're, let's say, an Alzheimer's patient who doesn't remember things when you show up in the hospital, it's there when you need it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Boom.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you need to locate your dog because it's gone missing, boom, it's there.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I understand, but I mean, if you, there's no way that anybody could ask me to, like, hey, could you say a slogan for me without me being like, any slogan anybody uses ever is evil for some reason.
dan friesen
Well, at the very least, you asking me to say it, you're up to something.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, decides to cut the shit.
And just lay out that...
jordan holmes
Okay, now it's time to...
dan friesen
Well, they're almost done with the interview, so I was just going to be like, all right, plot twist.
jordan holmes
Prestige, yeah.
dan friesen
But Conrad still, I don't think, gets it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, let me just be honest with you here.
You talk about chicken little scenarios.
Yeah.
I have to tell you that there is a global plan.
As you said, you talked to Mr. Bolton, and the government's pushing this.
And, you know, people talk about Germany with the papers, please, and this tracking and this controlling and having it to buy and sell.
You think that's coming?
I mean, you know, you said the TV show Big Brother is coming out to interview you.
I mean, this is Big Brother, and this is a total control grid that's being put in, and I see it being pushed as a VIP thing so that the youth all go out and get it.
What do you say to that?
conrad chase
Yeah, I think it's the technology that's there, and I'm a strong believer in taking advantage of the technology at hand.
There are a great deal of advantages in using the technology, and I think people need to get over their fears, like I used before, the chicken little fears.
alex jones
But you're an American.
You're an American.
The Founding Fathers said, don't trust government, limit its size, have liberty, have a Bill of Rights, and you're saying you're not worried about that?
conrad chase
But then we created one of the best governments in the world, one of the best governments which can be trusted.
And I believe you need to trust your government, and you need to trust technology.
It's there.
We have to use it.
dan friesen
So this guy doesn't seem to get that Alex is now just directly saying to him, I'm accusing you of doing PR work for the Mark of the Beast that will enslave all of the world's free people.
He's too busy living in reality, where there's a concern about this kind of technology, but he takes the optimistic view, where businesses and government should be trusted and the prospects of this technology outweigh its risks.
He seems to think that that's the kind of conversation he's having, but he's very wrong.
I think Conrad seems very naive, both in how he's dealing with this interview and how he's viewing the idea of this technology being used harmlessly for everyone's benefit.
Alex is wrong on the other side of it, but that doesn't mean that I agree with Conrad either.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think that he's maybe underestimating something.
jordan holmes
We were all so naive back then.
I think one of the big challenges that we all face now is that we have this kind of idea of...
I generally know when most people are lying.
Because there's a lot of lying going on.
You look at the TV, you look at the Fox News, you look at the shows from media, you see a lot of liars.
And you think, I think I have a handle on when people are lying to me.
But that's the scariest part, because that's when you get lied to, because you don't know every time.
But because you're confident that you can catch it, you feel like you're good.
I appreciate that this guy is just like...
I'm going to bluff my way through it.
dan friesen
Well, at the very least, he's saying, I'm going to believe the best in everything.
I'm going to believe the best in this technology.
It's never going to be used for harm or in ways that are hurtful to people.
I'm going to believe the best in this guy who's so nice enough to ask me to come on his radio show.
jordan holmes
He's such a nice guy.
dan friesen
It's a better headspace, but you can see how...
jordan holmes
I think you should trust your government.
I think you should trust it.
You know, if he's selling globalism...
As evil, and he's accused of being evil, and his response is just like, yeah, I think the technology's really gonna make things better.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think there's a lot of the benefits outweigh the negatives, and hey, you know, you can't always distrust everything.
jordan holmes
If the devil can pull that trick, now that's some solid stuff.
Where it's like, hey man, I get what you're saying.
I am the devil.
But what if it's like 51% better than God?
How about that?
Did you think about that?
Maybe it's even, but we got 1% better.
dan friesen
So Alex remembers at this point that he said he was in the military.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And so now...
jordan holmes
Which military?
He was in Dutch boy band?
dan friesen
No.
Dutch boy band?
jordan holmes
Was it called the military?
alex jones
Hey, let me ask you a question.
What did you do in the military?
I'm just curious.
conrad chase
I was in telecommunications.
alex jones
Oh, telecommunications.
jordan holmes
Computer tips?
conrad chase
Yes, I was.
alex jones
Did you do NSA work or anything?
conrad chase
Excuse me?
unidentified
What type of work did you do?
conrad chase
Well, in communications, it was, I can't really get into it because it was not top secret, but secret classified information.
alex jones
I figured that.
conrad chase
It was a form of combat communications.
dan friesen
See, now Alex has asked that question, and he has decided that the answer to yes, the NSA, is yes.
He's just decided that based on that answer, he's admitted, basically, that he was working for the NSA.
So now, not only is he in bed with these Verichip people who are owned by IBM and the Chinese government, he is now also an operative of the National Security Agency.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we have made him important.
He is no longer just a bar owner.
He said all this...
Pretty wild stuff about his belief in chip technology.
This is perfect for Alex.
jordan holmes
It does feel as though we're at the Coliseum, and they just toss somebody in with a lion, and that person was like, I've never seen a lion before, and starts petting him.
dan friesen
I'm a cat lover.
jordan holmes
And then starts pouring, like, sauces on them, just like, oh, I bet this lion will never eat me.
Like, this is absurd.
dan friesen
So Alex is wrapping things up, and he's like, hey, I think that you should...
Look into these companies that you work with.
jordan holmes
What do you mean?
He's evil, right?
alex jones
Well, I have to be honest with you.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I think you need to investigate Verichip and IBM, and you need to look at Applied Digital, and you need to look at the plant they've built in China that you said you were aware of.
And I think it's very scary for you to say, no chip, you won't be able to get in the club, and that you think that's somewhere you might be going, or having chips in our hands to have guns.
Sure.
conrad chase
Well, I would never enforce it that stringently that you cannot enter my club without the chip.
Definitely not.
I do feel that that is an excellent idea, having that for weapons control.
alex jones
Earlier you said, though, that's where it's all going, that when everybody starts accepting it, it's going to go to that.
You said that earlier.
glenn spencer
I believe it will.
conrad chase
I definitely believe it will.
When the first automobiles came out, people thought that there was no need for a vehicle that would travel at such, quote-unquote, breakneck speed.
alex jones
You know, that's what the Army War College says.
They say that similar thing.
Wow, you are an interesting fellow.
And I really appreciate your honesty.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So Conrad's not doing a good job of making his point about whether or not you should need a chip to get into the club.
It does kind of seem like he's saying yes and no to that simultaneously, but I think he means that he would not enforce that now, but can envision a world where...
Where it's the normal means of identification off in the future.
It's not actually contradictory, but it's not being expressed well.
But you can hear Alex expanding his implications that Conrad is working with the government, saying that his words are mirroring the Army War College.
Alex saying, you're an interesting fellow, I appreciate your honesty, can be translated to, you naive idiot, I'm gonna fuck you over so hard with this.
It's amazing.
There's such a giddiness in Alex's voice when he's like, you are an interesting fellow!
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is the bless your heart of...
Yeah, wow.
dan friesen
So the interview ends, and I would say that Alex is just like, he's doing great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, he should be smoking.
This is a post-coital interview right now.
alex jones
You've got your microchip now, and I guess you're part of the elite VIP circle now.
conrad chase
I'm the first person on the planet to have used it in a nightclub.
alex jones
Well, that's very interesting, and I hope that you will look down into your heart and your soul and get some discernment and look at the bigger picture of the global ID system that you discussed and ask yourself, is a global government a good idea?
I mean, everybody wants to rule the world, and who are these people that are going to rule the world, and how will they use these ships to do it?
conrad chase
Sure.
There is no negative aspect whatsoever with a chip.
Only positive.
alex jones
Resistance is futile.
You will take the chip.
Want to be VIP?
Get the chip.
Hey, listen.
Conrad Chase, thanks for coming on the show.
Take care.
conrad chase
Thank you, Alex.
unidentified
Bye.
alex jones
Have fun.
That guy was reading right off a government script, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
No, he wasn't!
alex jones
I don't know if Verichip put all these ideas in his head or if he came from the inside.
It is...
jordan holmes
Secret work?
alex jones
The military?
dan friesen
So you may notice the second the interview ends, Alex goes on the attack.
jordan holmes
Secret work!
dan friesen
It's mysterious why he didn't grill this guy about how he was reading from a government script while the interview was going.
I have a strong suspicion it was because Alex could tell this guy was a little bit of a salesman and he was promoting his club, but also what seems to be like a sincere belief in the potential of chip technology.
He's just a person who believes that.
jordan holmes
He's an early adopter.
dan friesen
There was so much more to gain from that interaction by not blowing up on this guy and revealing your true intentions in the conversation, which is exactly what Alex did.
That said, because I understand the world this interview took place in, I feel terrible for Conrad.
In the real world, this was kind of...
of a boring interview with a guy who runs a bar and believes in the potential of microchip technology.
But in InfoWars world, this was a damning revelation of a cocky NSA hatchet man chipping VIPs at his club to make it cool so kids want to get it to bring in the one world government to the mark of the beast.
He almost couldn't have answered a number of those questions better for Alex's purpose.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You just see, it's like you see, like, a vase dropping.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you know you can't stop it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's nothing to do with it.
dan friesen
And it's just, oh no, this is gonna crash.
jordan holmes
It is really interesting sometimes to watch people speak what they think is the same language.
You know, like, all of you, how is it, it is so interesting.
That people can have a conversation that ostensibly appears from the outside to make sense, and yet be speaking completely different languages.
dan friesen
And that's kind of one of the reasons why when I was listening to this initially, I was like, this interview is just kind of boring.
But I think based on the way Alex behaves after the interview, this is an important interview for him.
This is like landmark stuff.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is like, if you can imagine, like I imagine, And going to an alien planet a billion light years away, you land on there and you can talk to everyone and it sounds like you're having a perfectly normal conversation in every possible way, and yet everything that happens is completely wrong.
And it's like, no, it is just a complete coincidence that the sounds they're making are similar to the ones that you think are worth.
dan friesen
Now here's the real question.
If Conrad had had a babblefish in his ear, would he have been able to translate this?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Because it's the same language, technically.
I don't think it would work.
jordan holmes
Does the babblefish understand implied meaning?
dan friesen
You're the Adams guy, I don't know.
jordan holmes
It has to include idioms.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
But does it include smug sarcasm and fake politeness?
jordan holmes
From the point of view of someone confident in their absolute...
Nonsensical world to you.
dan friesen
So as the interview has come to an end, Alex decides, man, I'm going to congratulate the shit out of myself for this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I'll pat myself on the back.
alex jones
Just an absolutely incredible interview.
And I told you, year after year, they're going to have it as a status symbol to get in certain bars, to get in amusement parks, and then to do anything to travel, you're going to have to have it.
And here is one of the minions at an implantation center.
They're setting up at the bar.
They've already implanted a bunch of the patrons.
The CEO telling Mr. Chase, oh yes, we're going to have this global ID, and this is going to be the system, and everybody's going to have this.
And I said, oh, so in a few years to get in the club, you'll have to have the chip.
And he said, oh yes, I see that happening.
Oh yes, it's wonderful.
Oh, this will stop war.
Oh, globally, everyone having the chip.
That's the plan.
That's what the military said in 2000.
But when you watch the nightly news, oh, it's for the old people, the young people, the foreigners, the criminals.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
We talked about the Italian government starting to sign up to get it, to put it in their government workers.
See, the police are going to have to do it first.
And then they'll say, hey, if I have to do it, you've got to do it.
Cops, you better say no.
jordan holmes
Is that how that works?
alex jones
Special Forces has been told they're about to get the chip.
This is the new America.
This is the new world, our new global system.
And I mentioned to him, you know, the...
I mean, it's Chinese-owned part of it, and they have the factory over in China.
He goes, oh, yes, yes, the factory in Beijing.
Oh, yes.
dan friesen
Oh, yes, the factory.
unidentified
Oh, the factory.
alex jones
And they use Applied Digital as the front IBM really owns.
The company owns the majority of it.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Owns the debt on it, because IBM doesn't want to run around saying take the chip, global ID.
Why not?
Because IBM has some problems there.
jordan holmes
Aren't they doing Deep Blue right around now?
alex jones
Their biggest contracts were with the Nazis.
You may have heard of them.
dan friesen
You might have heard of them.
So that's why IBM can't do this.
jordan holmes
We're doing IBM Nazis, eh?
dan friesen
Yeah, apparently.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So there's an interesting dynamic here, because Alex isn't really lying that much about what happened in the interview.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's fudging a bunch of the details and adding his own spin onto everything, but for the most part, he's repeating things that were said in the interview.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, for instance, he says that the CEO of Verichip said that there was going to be a world ID, and that's not really totally accurate, but also not made up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Conrad said that he spoke with the vice president of Verichip and they both thought it had an application as a passport replacement The issue here is a disconnect in what's being discussed Conrad and this VIP are promoting their businesses They believe that there's a massive potential for this technology to be used in all kinds of ways Which would further their bottom lines and make them a bunch of money They aren't announcing a new world order plot to chip everyone, starting with having a couple people in Barcelona make it look cool.
But that's what Alex is going with.
They're announcing this as their plan for a world idea, as opposed to...
Their business would make a lot of money if they were able to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's what I'm coming back to.
All right?
I don't think with our big bads being Klaus Schwab and...
I mean, Soros isn't even up there anymore, right?
dan friesen
No, he comes up periodically.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's still up there.
Especially with the DAs and stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
So Soros is back there.
dan friesen
He's diminished, but he's ascendant.
jordan holmes
Right.
But here's what I'm saying.
If the plan...
People are on the Eat the Bugs tip.
They're not on the Baja Beach Club tip.
dan friesen
You don't know that.
jordan holmes
You can't do both.
dan friesen
But you heard those songs, those Schwab parody songs.
You can see that playing at a Baja Beach Club.
See people shaking their ass to eat the bugs.
It's very easy to imagine.
jordan holmes
Now the kids are going to find that cool.
That is what's going to get the kids going.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Those are the adopted kids right there.
dan friesen
So, are you afraid of microchips?
jordan holmes
Oh, obviously.
dan friesen
I'm going to make you a little more afraid of them.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And by the way, yesterday we posted a new microchip that is a swastika, and the company's called Matrix.
It's a Carloff Group-owned company.
I went ahead and went to their website and researched their corporate filings, and one of the heads of the Carloff Group heads up Matrix, a Carloff Group company.
It's a chip that's a swastika, and it's called, the company's called Matrix, and it's owned by the Carlyle Group, and was founded by members of the National Security Agency.
And I just knew in the last segment with this bar manager that he would have some NSA work in his past, and when I asked, guess what he did?
My goodness, what a surprise!
dan friesen
He didn't say that.
jordan holmes
He did not say that.
He said it wasn't even...
He said it wasn't...
Top secret, but I still shouldn't be talking about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Various methods for, like, battlefield communication.
Obviously you wouldn't be able to reveal a lot of that information.
jordan holmes
It's not phones anymore.
That's what I can reveal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is lying about Conrad's military history.
We played that clip earlier, but all Conrad said that he was in communications.
It was Alex that accused him of working for the NSA, but that was never established.
But apparently it's fact now.
And see, one of the reasons that I think that this is a really valuable thing to go over is you can see See the way that the information in the interview is being recontextualized for Alex's purposes immediately.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So they didn't get into specifics, but Conrad was in the U.S. Army Signal Corps, not the NSA.
He was also, like I said, a contestant on Gran Hermano and was in the Dutch Bowie Band called the Baja Boys, but no sign he was in the NSA.
Alex is telling the audience that because it helps make this narrative work, that this guy was essentially speaking for the government, popularizing their plans to make everyone get chipped.
This Matrix microchip thing is about a company called Matrix, but it's spelled with a C-S.
There are a couple people on the board with ties to the Carlyle Group, so Alex has just decided to report that they're a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group, because why not?
It's fucking simple.
I went to look at the InfoWars article about this to find a picture of the chip, and it kind of looks like a swastika, but I think Alex might be making more out of this than is merited.
That being said, as it turns out, around this time, some researchers were finding that the swastika shape worked really well for microchips.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, I swear to you!
I was laughing my ass off because I was imagining a world where everybody's like, fuck!
Swastikas make the best computer chips!
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it's the best, but people were saying that it was very good around this time.
According to an article from the World Jewish Congress, an optical engineer at Southampton University had found that the symbol has, quote, the perfect geometry for twisting light in a way that can encode information.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
That's too funny!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's too funny!
dan friesen
So it may well be that this matrix chip had some...
Passing similarity to a swastika for that reason, but it's not actually a swastika.
But, yeah, it is an unfortunate reality that in order for it to encode information, you bad light.
unidentified
Of all the things.
jordan holmes
That a thousand years from now, some historian would have to say the idea that one of them is like, Nazis put technology back a couple of decades because people just couldn't get over the fact that swastikas worked so well.
That's amazing.
dan friesen
I might be, you know...
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that this is true.
I'm just saying that, theoretically, that is hilarious.
dan friesen
What I'm here to say is that I think that the chip itself looks a bit more like a throwing star than a swastika.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
That's fine.
dan friesen
But, anyway, Alex comes back from break and he is just so thrilled with himself.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, obviously.
alex jones
Hands down.
The interview I just did with the director of the Baja Beach Disco Bars, big 2,500 palatial clubs with the half-naked dancing girls at the big resorts around the world.
You don't know this!
That has to be the most revealing, wicked interview we've ever done.
unidentified
Oh, I talked to the CEO where we'll all be getting our global identification chip.
alex jones
To have a gun, you'll have the chip.
Oh, the troops all need the chip.
If you want to be a VIP in our club, you've got to have the chip.
Oh, I see a time in the future when you'll have to have the chip to come in our club.
Oh, oh, it's such a VIP thing to have the tracker chip.
We're going to post that interview at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com by tomorrow.
And I'm begging our listeners to do the transcripts.
Do a transcript of this interview immediately.
Tens of millions of people will then read it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
We can post it on the website.
Help us get the word out.
It's just absolutely incredible.
That interview, because I sat there sucking him in, agreeing with him.
dan friesen
No shit.
alex jones
He just came right out with it.
I mean, all of you are going to take the chip.
jordan holmes
You're insane.
alex jones
To travel.
jordan holmes
Truly insane.
alex jones
To buy and sell your microchip in your hand.
dan friesen
So Alex is right that he managed to do an interview that's illustrated that a guy who runs a bar in Barcelona is in favor of all of these applications for microchip technology.
What he actually failed to do is show that this is a plan that anyone has, or that this bar owner believing this means anything.
It's a victory for Alex, but from my vantage point, it seems like a hollow victory.
He has all the appearances of a big gotcha, but I don't think any of it matters.
This bar got a few people to get RFID chips voluntarily for their VIP program, and then they abandoned the program a few years later.
It didn't make getting chips into the coolest thing ever, and the kids aren't all secretly getting chips behind their parents.
That would have been 2008.
Yeah.
Alex succeeded in tricking a bar owner into saying exactly the things he needed someone to say.
But everything else around this he's super wrong about.
And it's just...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm getting from this.
dan friesen
It's hollow.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm getting from this.
I am getting that moderation is best.
You know?
Like, here's what's going on.
I feel like this is a great way to engage with having done a boring interview.
You know?
Like, listen.
I actually think it's kind of interesting that he's got a VIP room that's also chipped.
That's kind of interesting.
That's a novel.
That's a little fun.
You know, fine.
Whatever.
But to elevate it into like, oh, this is a secret.
You know, that's more fun.
That's more exciting.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I get it.
That's great for radio.
Moderation.
Keep it here.
Keep it there.
When you get addicted to this type of shit, then we get where we are now.
dan friesen
You want to go like one standard derivation over, not two.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, man.
It's just that escalation problem.
dan friesen
But I also think that what you're describing cuts both ways.
Because I think that he, Conrad, was a little bit...
Too into a lot of this technology.
jordan holmes
He was a little bit too into it.
I agree.
I agree with you very strongly.
dan friesen
And Alex is a little too into his Mark of the Beast conspiracies.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Moderation is the place in between those two.
jordan holmes
Moderation in all things.
Yeah.
It's just how often that continually turns out to be true is very frustrating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So another thing I'd like to moderate is Alex's impressions.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's going to do a lot of impressions.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
In a short version?
Yeah.
alex jones
We need to trust our government.
We need to do what they say.
We need to love them.
I mean, did you hear all that?
It was like listening to a demon, a simpering, you know, sweet mouth.
And I go, oh, you're in the military.
Oh, yes, I was in the military, and you were in some classified, was it communications?
I mean, I knew that.
Well, I can't talk about it.
Oh, were you in the NSA?
Well, I can't talk about it.
How did I know that?
dan friesen
That wasn't the answer to the NSA question.
You decided it in advance, but it wasn't the answer to the NSA question.
But Alex has just decided that it was because it makes it seem more like the answer is yes, which is what Alex has decided no matter what.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
How did I know that?
See?
Again, moderation.
That's too far.
You don't know that.
You could have said, man, that's an interesting guess.
Maybe that's true.
It's still not, and it's not an interesting guess.
dan friesen
Alex also asked him if he's in the NSA.
He didn't understand the question.
He said, what?
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And then Alex didn't rephrase that question or reframe that question because he didn't actually want an answer to that.
He wanted to have asked this guy this question.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's for the audience.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It's a wink to the audience.
It's like, hey, I'm accusing this guy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And you stick there.
You don't go that extra step to saying, actually, I can see the future.
unidentified
I am a God-touched genius who is capable of understanding.
jordan holmes
Hold on to those thoughts.
No, no, no.
He's a God-touched...
dan friesen
There's going to be more of that.
So Alex gets back to the subject of the chipmobile.
alex jones
A big story, and I'm going to cover this, then we'll get to your calls, is from Infowars.com, directly from ADSX.com, or Applied Digital Solutions' stock website.
And the embedded microchip seller, Verichip, announces chipmobile.
It's on the move.
Watch for the chipmobile coming to your town.
Hey, kids.
So much for the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile.
The beast system is here, and Verichip has announced that the chipmobile is on the move.
That's a quote.
jordan holmes
It looks like a swastika.
alex jones
There when you need us.
dan friesen
That's a different chip that looks like a swastika.
jordan holmes
The chipmobile looks like a swastika.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Too funny.
dan friesen
So how much of that do you think was a quote?
I think Verichip's promotional material had, hey, the Mark of the Beast system is here.
unidentified
Mark of the Beast is coming to your town.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
I mean, man, if the devil is doing the Mark of the Beast that way, that's the best way to do it, because I'm not seeing it coming.
I'm not seeing the devil coming that way.
dan friesen
Cue me out on this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's pretend that the Mark of the Beast demon devil system was this chipmobile.
You fucking whiffed, devil.
What a terrible plan.
jordan holmes
That didn't work.
There is a certain amount of somebody needs to be able to push back on the devil.
If the devil's played as the chipmobile, that means that there aren't enough people around the devil to be like, that's a shit plan, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, you need to fire your board or whatever because bad ideas are coming through and it's just not working.
All you accomplished is getting some senior citizenship.
So they could have better convenient access to healthcare.
jordan holmes
They're coming to me soon!
dan friesen
Evil.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, Alex does get back to the swastika microchip story.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The Matrix company.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, you know, you're talking about him knowing things in advance.
He kind of screams about that a little bit here.
alex jones
Well, this company was called The Matrix, and my wife had posted it on InfoWars last night.
I got online with a large glass of ice water for several hours and began researching The Matrix.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And it didn't take long.
Of course, before I went to it, I knew who it would be.
And sure enough, it was the National Security Agency.
Because when the chip is a swastika and the name of the company is The Matrix, I already knew.
Because I know the enemy.
I understand their control grid.
I've already followed enough of their roadmap.
I know what the next piece is.
But I never count on that.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
I knew IBM owned Applied Digital before I went to their corporate minutes, because they're behind it all.
I mean, all of it.
I knew that it would be manufactured by the Communist Chinese military, and certainly it was.
Again, I'm not bragging.
This is the unified field theory of geopolitics.
dan friesen
So yeah, what Alex knew before looking up anything was that he was going to find a way to twist whatever he found into being part of his larger conspiracies.
It just so happened that one of the members of the board of Matrix, Michael Arneson, had worked for the NSA from 1979 to 1999.
Alex knew that there was a good bet that someone on the board would have a history with a government agency, so he knew that he was going to be able to hinge a conspiracy on that.
A testament to how shallowly he actually looked into any of this is if he dug a little deeper, he would have found that Matrix got funding from DARPA, which would have been a much more direct conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a great, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Why don't we go for that?
jordan holmes
Too hard!
dan friesen
The same is true for the claim that he knew that IBM owned Advanced Digital Solutions before he looked it up.
He didn't know that, but he could be pretty sure that there would be some piece of investment or some association of a board member that he could twist into his narrative.
IBM didn't own ADS, but they did formerly have a loan going.
So that's confirmation of the thing that Alex went into this research knowing he'd find.
He knew he would find something he could work with.
If Alex had looked into ADS and found that Apple had given them a loan, then guess what?
He would have known that going in.
Or if one of the big banks that are so evil had given them a loan, Alex would have known that from the jump.
This is a pretty blatant example of confirmation bias in action.
Alex has this unified field theory of geopolitics, which is basically just his way of saying his narrative...
Everything he finds must comport to that narrative, so when he sits down to search out information, it magically always does.
The claim that Matrix is a Carlisle Group subsidiary is a good example.
Alex is basing that on the fact that there are two members of the board at Matrix that have ties to Carlisle.
One of them, Brooke Coburn, was at the time a managing director at Carlisle, and the other one, Mark Ein, worked there prior to 1999.
But two members of the board also have ties to another company called LCC International.
One of them, Puyash Soda, was the CEO of LCC and also the CEO of Matrix, and Mark Ein also worked at LCC.
So why isn't Matrix an LCC subsidiary?
The reason is because the audience has no idea who LCC is, whereas they've been primed with plenty of talk about the Carlyle Group due to its association with the Bush administration.
So this is the angle that you go.
Also, the company isn't The Matrix.
It's just Matrix.
And it stands for Microwave Array Technology for Reconfigurable Integrated Circuits.
The Matrix sounds cooler for the audience, though, so that's what it is.
It's The Matrix.
So yeah, I don't know.
I just find this notion that I already knew when I went in.
I already knew all this ahead of time, because I know the devil's plans.
It's just, it's a little rough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is so much of a, like, I don't know, what would I call it?
It's not hindsight is 20-20-20.
I think the lesson or something to be learned from Alex is just like, when Alex was doing this, there is something that he's pointing to that is actually so valuable that we needed to address.
Which is that there are too many people who are associated with too many companies.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Oh, sure.
dan friesen
Revolving door type shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then they're all associated with the government.
Like, that is a serious problem.
Alex is fucking it up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
As is the case whenever he's adjacent to a decent point, he ruins the actual criticism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If he was what people attributed him to be at that time...
That ability to point at the real problem, you know, while being bombastic and entertaining, is an effective tool.
dan friesen
Right.
But he's not pointing at the real problem.
jordan holmes
But he's not pointing at the real problem.
dan friesen
He's using the sort of optics of the real problem in order to be like, ah-ha-ha, and this is the devil's plan to microchip everyone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is not about...
jordan holmes
Now, if you are the devil, right...
You see a spot, you see a job opening that everybody kind of needs, which is somebody to be bombastic and to tell the truth, and you put in there somebody who is almost all of those things.
dan friesen
Nah, disagree.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the devil's smart.
dan friesen
No, Alex is just not.
jordan holmes
I think Alex works for the devil.
dan friesen
So he knows all this stuff ahead of time.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Not because he works for the devil, and the devil has given him precognitive abilities.
unidentified
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Not because of that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But because he's a detective.
alex jones
Okay.
Oh, and of course...
It's called The Matrix, just because they want to take good care of you always.
And again, I'm not bragging when I say I know what I'm going to read before I see it, but if you study this stuff and you know their game plan, well, it's like a cop who's been hunting after a serial killer for 20 years.
The serial killer's killed 40 people.
They found these dead women.
They found these dead men, whatever.
And the cop has seen the serial killers work so many times, when they get the call, And before he even walks into the woods to another scene, he knows what he's going to see.
I mean, that's really it.
So here I am every day.
I open the brush and walk into the woods and smell the rotten flesh.
And, well, I'm going to see their handiwork again, aren't I?
Same people, same operation, same wickedness.
And, again, that's my analogy of understanding these people.
Flaunting it in your face, throwing it in your face.
The destruction of this country and bringing in the new world order.
dan friesen
If Alex were like a detective and he was tracking down serial killers, he would see a calling card for a serial killer and then he would misinterpret it to be similar to another fake serial killer's calling card or something like that.
I mean, this is just ridiculous.
He's no Batman.
jordan holmes
Or it's the government of China.
Any serial killer's calling card is actually the government of China.
Communist China.
China-ing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, he's just thrilled with this interview he did.
jordan holmes
He does seem to be very thrilled with himself.
dan friesen
There's so much self-congratulation.
jordan holmes
He's very happy.
alex jones
And yes, tomorrow, in one of the three hours, I'm not sure which one yet, I will re-air the most frightening, disgusting, slimy interview I have ever done.
jordan holmes
He's just a dude, man!
alex jones
We will re-enter the interview with the entity that we spoke with in the last hour, the microchip government creature who was telling us how wonderful it is and how we'll all need the chip to come in his club and how we'll all have our global chip.
He spoke with the same tongue, the same words.
As the others from this group.
So, if you listen carefully to this interview, it is the most...
I had goosebumps while this guy was talking.
To be talking to a creature like this is very, very serious.
dan friesen
Dehumanizing there?
Pretty explicit?
jordan holmes
I mean, we have learned that if you want Alex to treat you nice, just be a globalist?
dan friesen
Say the things you want him to...
No, you have to...
If you want him to be nice to you, you have to be being used by him.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's the trick.
jordan holmes
Act like a naive globalist and Alex will be nice to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
dan friesen
If he thinks he can exploit you by being nice, you're gonna get some nice treatment.
jordan holmes
Exploit Alex via being exploited by Alex.
dan friesen
I do believe he had goosebumps during it, but it was more like, I'm gonna use this.
This is gonna be so good.
I'm gonna say this is a creature.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna have a bumper forever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So most of the rest of the show is taking calls.
jordan holmes
Sure.
About how great he is?
dan friesen
You bet.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Well, and I think that Alex has such a, he's so thrilled about this interview that he wants to riff with people about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
He wants to be like, do you hear when he said this?
jordan holmes
I would have basked in this as much as possible.
dan friesen
Right.
So he takes a call and this lady brings up, hey, this isn't that safe.
Someone could kill you and take your chip.
jordan holmes
Ooh!
dan friesen
And so Alex.
jordan holmes
You are helping.
dan friesen
Alex does some impressions also.
jordan holmes
Yes, and.
unidentified
The thing I was wondering as I was listening to that interview, I'm opposed to this, just outraged as much as you are, but when they say there's no drawback, on an implanted chip like that, couldn't you kill someone and take the chip?
Or someone take the chip out to steal it?
alex jones
Well, that's it, of course, for high-security federal employees.
The Italian government's about to make their employees, according to him, take it.
And you heard this global ID situation.
Think of all the crimes this government's committed.
Of course it's insane.
Of course it's bad.
That's why he was saying, resistance is futile.
It's wonderful.
Everyone will take it.
They're going to take it.
I mean, did you hear just the wickedness?
unidentified
Oh, I did.
Yes, I did.
Did you?
Did you?
jordan holmes
You're so good.
alex jones
Just take your chip.
unidentified
But all I'm saying, I still...
I expect you to go, when we came to your planet, we came here to help you.
It's for them to keep track of all of us, but I still think, what I'm saying, I still think there's ways to get around it.
alex jones
Well, I'm not going to take it, and most people are against it.
They just get up on the news and act like everybody likes it.
This is all psychology.
It's wonderful.
Everyone loves it.
You need to take it.
There have been polls out.
Ninety-plus percent of people hate it.
But the more they go, everyone loves it.
All the stars love it.
All the VIPs love it.
The young people, and that's what they admit they're targeting, are going to go, yeah, it's cool.
It's counterculture.
jordan holmes
I want it.
I want it now.
That's not bad.
alex jones
Everybody's for it.
You're the kook.
But we're the majority.
dan friesen
We're the majority.
A lot of voices.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the type of voice actor.
dan friesen
Number one voice actor.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
But Obama ruined his career.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that actually is pretty solid.
unidentified
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
I would buy that on a radio for like a serial.
dan friesen
Local ad.
unidentified
Not a national.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm not giving him national.
dan friesen
That's not a syndicated ad.
jordan holmes
No, he's not national.
dan friesen
That's a local serial brand.
jordan holmes
That is a local serial ad, yes.
dan friesen
So yeah, I think.
I think this is a lot of fun they're having.
jordan holmes
I think somebody could kill you and take the chip.
dan friesen
Good point.
jordan holmes
I agree, ma 'am.
I agree.
Next point.
dan friesen
Where is this energy in the present day being directed towards Elon Musk?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
That's what you really need to ask yourself as you see the intensity of Alex's feelings about anything involving chips.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does lay bare truly.
Living in 2024, how much of our lives we thought people cared about behavior, when in reality it was just who was doing it.
dan friesen
Or they cared about the thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you and I, I thought this whole time, I was like, doing a thing is the problem.
And ha ha, no, the problem is who is doing the thing.
It's that simple for people?
dan friesen
It apparently is.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
And I think that, you know, if you're not cognizant of it...
You can fall into those traps yourself.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I mean, if you think you know when everybody's lying to you, you're going to get lied to.
Yeah, you believe it.
dan friesen
So Alex wants, obviously, these calls to be about this bombshell interview that he just did.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, some of them aren't.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And some of them might be a bit troubling.
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
Alex, you're familiar with it.
Last year, about this time, through your listeners on your show, I was thrown into, well, I was thrown, because I believed all the things that you claimed.
jordan holmes
You're getting distracted.
Stay focused.
unidentified
Come on, man.
I was thrown into the nut house, because I was allegedly nuts, because I was paranoid, because I couldn't disprove the competent evidence that you and other people had produced about who really did 9-1-1, what was really going on, the fact that there's a globalist takeover and that there's a mass genocide is ultimately the agenda of these satanic worshipping.
Abominable, super-rich, the global banking cartel and all the stooges who are doing their bidding.
But at any rate, the long and short of it is that we remember that through your listeners almost just knocking out the whole circuit on the mental health hospital, we got out of there in a matter of days.
Well, we had this happen again recently by someone who did a lot of 911 work.
Did you escape?
We've just seen the abuses in the court system where people get rid of the problem.
alex jones
Yeah, it's the new Soviet Union where you criticize the government, you're crazy, and they arrest you.
unidentified
Exactly.
You don't like the microchip.
You're crazy.
alex jones
We've got to put you in the nut house.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, did you not hear the part where he's very clearly, like, anti-Semitic?
Did you not hear that very loud horn that he talked?
jordan holmes
Oh, you mean the goyim?
dan friesen
I feel like that is a piece of this that Alex is just conveniently ignoring.
jordan holmes
Let's not think about that.
dan friesen
And this guy, as best I can tell, because obviously it's just a first name and a state, so I can't look into what actually happened to this person.
Maybe not, but I would guess that his loved ones probably had him locked up in a hospital because he was...
Going a little bit off.
And, you know, in those situations, you can't hold people for very long without cause.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so maybe a bunch of Infowars listeners called that hospital and it just so happened that also the hold that he was under.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, this is the kind of thing that I can see in the real world matching the details of his story.
But instead, the way it's interpreted is...
I was too onto the real shit.
I couldn't disprove this stuff, so everyone thought I was crazy, and so I got put in a hospital, and then your listeners called, and they demanded my freedom.
Yeah.
Alex should not be humoring this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's really fucked up.
Because, as somebody who's aware of these very specific things for me, it's voluntary.
And if it's not, it is very not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is very not.
dan friesen
But when it's very not, it still, in most states, is not something that can last very long.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so if he was put in somewhere involuntarily, you could be out in a few days.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So we get another caller who's a little bit less troubling.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's good.
dan friesen
He wants to know, what are the odds...
That Bush is going to install himself as the dictator over America.
glenn spencer
And I had a question for you because I was kind of concerned after watching 9-11, The Road to Tyranny.
And after watching that, I could see how Bush is using the same format like what Hitler did and others to take control of the country.
And my question was, is that I'm worried that what if he decides to let some massive event happen?
unidentified
Well, they won't let an event take place.
alex jones
They'll engage in it.
glenn spencer
Yeah, suppose that he does that, right?
And then he suspends the elections and everything to keep himself in power, you know, for, and I don't know how long of a time he could do that for, but I understand he has the power or the ability to do that.
And then he could, you know, proclaim himself as the dictator for this country, just like that.
I mean, what are the chances, do you think, of something like that happening?
alex jones
very good chance that's going to happen.
100%.
unidentified
Government plans, declassified documents to bomb D.C., to commit sniper attacks, to hijack jets by remote control and crash them, killing people, or staging fake crashes as a pretext I have misrepresentations of Operation Northwoods, and therefore, there's a good chance that Bush is going to do a giant false flag in order to become the dictator by canceling the 2004 elections, which we know happened, and then four years later, all kids are being microchipped because it's cool, because...
dan friesen
Donnie D, the Mac G rapper, has made it cool.
unidentified
And it all comes back to this fucking Baja Beach Club.
jordan holmes
This is the perfect moment, though, truly, for Alex to have that, like, all right, well, here's what you would do to steal the election, all right?
You would claim that the election results were stolen and that they weren't real.
Then you would have a faithless electorate slate go to the day, and then you, on January 6th, that would be a great day to do it.
January 6th!
That's the number one day to do it!
It would be great.
That would be fun.
dan friesen
But instead, what we get is Alex having an impotent prediction of something that doesn't come to pass that he seems very confident about.
Seems to be a trend.
So this caller, though, he wants to know, what's the time frame for the next thing where the globalists are going to attack?
jordan holmes
Don't we all?
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Isn't that really the question?
Tell me when and what to do!
dan friesen
You can't.
glenn spencer
Well, Alex, what timeline do you give this thing?
Like, when is it too late for people to wake up and actually do something about this?
alex jones
We've been fighting the globalists so successfully that whereas two years ago they had a time frame to carry out more terror by now, big events here in the U.S., not pinpricks around the world, not a pinprick if you die, but comparatively speaking that's what they call it, just their scare tactics, they would have already engaged in bigger events.
Right now I think they're trying to address things, they're trying to study.
They're kind of like deer in the headlights.
Things aren't going as they thought it would.
There's a massive awakening that's already taking place, so they're even in a way more dangerous right now, but overall that's good because now they're a little more ham-fisted and making a lot bigger mistakes.
So we've got them on the defensive right now, but we're in the 12th round of a heavyweight battle here.
dan friesen
Oh man, that sounds like the present day.
Isn't it always this?
The globalists are panicking.
There are a deer in the headlights.
I've managed to, because of my wild victories, I've been able to make it so they haven't attacked yet.
This is just constant.
I made a point on our last episode about a 2024 episode that the globalists are always seeming to be in this state.
Here we are in 2004.
It's all the same.
It's always the fucking same.
jordan holmes
I know there is a video game.
Uh, that is about Alex or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've heard about that.
jordan holmes
But if I was going to make one, here's what it is, alright?
It's just a timer, alright?
And it's like, till the globalists.
And then, you know, ten seconds, right?
And you got Alex in the middle of the screen, and you just walk around, and if you find a booze juice, you get an extra ten seconds.
That is the entire game.
dan friesen
I was thinking of a conceptual framework where it's like, uh-oh, you're...
Narrative doesn't make sense.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then you have to weave through a puzzle.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Bend yourself into situations to plug up the holes in the narrative.
jordan holmes
So like snake butt Alex fits in there.
dan friesen
But you're plugging the holes in the narrative.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
I like that.
dan friesen
I don't know how to design a video game.
Neither do I. So we get another caller, and they ask, hey.
You talk a lot about how they're going to bring back the draft.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
When's that happening?
jordan holmes
Yeah, again.
unidentified
When do you think that they're going to initiate the draft?
alex jones
Well, they've got a total of 11 different bills.
It was nine.
Now there's two more in both the House and Senate.
jordan holmes
You should only need one, really.
alex jones
And it's a universal draft.
jordan holmes
The draft is back.
alex jones
And some are 18 to 49, some are 18 to 26. Different versions, and they're lined up to pass now.
I would think after the next big attack that they'll pass a universal draft and we'll all start becoming their slaves.
So thank you for the call.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
Oh, that's a condescending-ass tone.
It's always the next one.
It's always there's going to be the draft after the next one.
And, you know, I guess you could always argue that whatever happens isn't actually the next one.
Even though Alex believes that all of these, like, mass shootings and all of these acts have been globalist false flags.
So, shouldn't the next one have happened?
And, I mean, even, like, you could call natural disasters, Hurricane Katrina.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know, these are all things that have happened since 2004.
Mm-hmm.
But no, the next one, it didn't do it.
But then the next one will.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But then the next one.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Next one.
Next one's gonna be the draft.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's happening.
unidentified
It's happening.
dan friesen
It's right around the corner.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
It's dark.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the bleak picture that you get looking at the past.
jordan holmes
It is very bleak looking at the past.
dan friesen
So Alex is a little bit frustrated because some of these callers have been plugging things.
And that is a little bit annoying.
alex jones
And yes, I want to take your calls.
And I'm not trying to sound irritable earlier when I'm like, man, the plug-in's got to stop.
But you saw it, like three, four callers in a row.
unidentified
I mean, it's like, come on, folks.
alex jones
It's just, that's not good radio.
And I'm here.
Tell the truth, get the information out, and try to make it interesting in the presentation.
And, you know, that's why this show is, oh boy, has the great distinction of being the number one Christian patriot talk show in the country.
Because I don't descend into plugging endlessly.
I don't descend into fighting with other patriots, which is the favorite pastime of all the failures out there.
And I wish they'd get themselves together and move forward against the new world order.
We don't do that.
Here on this broadcast.
We fight the globalists.
We expose the evil.
And I'm surprised that more callers, frankly, aren't concerned about that interview in the last hour.
dan friesen
That is notable.
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
You're crazy!
unidentified
There is nothing to worry about!
alex jones
Yeah, I mean, soon when you come in our club, you'll have to have the microchip.
When I pressed him on, he said, well, maybe not.
I mean, that was chilling stuff.
Buy and sell, you gotta have a microchip.
unidentified
I think we've heard this before.
dan friesen
Mark of the Beast, guys!
Come on!
jordan holmes
Okay, here's my pitch.
Alright.
Time Machine?
Obviously.
We've got one.
We need to grab an Alex from January 1st of 1994 to Alex January 1st, 2024.
We get one every year.
dan friesen
Like a This Is Your Life?
jordan holmes
And then we have the Royal Rumble.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
They have to fight it out.
30 Alexes from 30 years apart.
Each one has a completely different axe to grind with the others because they disagree on everything.
dan friesen
If you allow that old jacked Alex, he's going to win.
That old, that when he was a muscle builder.
jordan holmes
When he was super ripped?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I think he's going to win.
jordan holmes
Well, okay.
dan friesen
Unless it's kayfabe.
jordan holmes
We seed it.
We seed it.
dan friesen
Are you talking about a shoot Royal Rumble where they're actually fighting?
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, then the young one's going to win.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But how are you going to get current day Alex over the top rope?
jordan holmes
But here's what I'm saying, all right?
So the older ones, they're going to team up on the younger one, right, though?
Because some of the older ones have to agree with each other on stuff.
dan friesen
But some of the younger ones agree with each other, too.
jordan holmes
Actually, I disagree.
I agree.
I say all of them kill the hottest one immediately.
And it has nothing to do with politics.
They just hate being unattractive so much that they kill the pretty one.
dan friesen
I think that's against the rules of a Royal Rumble.
Murder?
Yeah.
I think it is interesting to note, though, in that clip.
That Alex considers the genre of his show Christian Patriot Talk Radio.
That branding is slippery.
jordan holmes
It's different.
dan friesen
It's also interesting how much this 2004 Alex would hate who he becomes.
He's opposed to constant plugs, and his show devolves into desperate sales pitches for supplements just years from this point.
He's against infighting among patriots, and then he gets constantly obsessed with fighting with people like Glenn Beck.
Like, honestly...
I don't know if his show is actually against plugging or infighting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But his branding at this point makes it more believable when he says that it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it also feels weird that Alex is just coming out and saying that he's not getting the response that he wants from his interview.
I suspect it's because he was so polite and nice with this guy that it probably bored most of the audience.
They're probably listening to it and like, ah, what's going on, yeah.
jordan holmes
They didn't get it the same exact way.
He didn't get it.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex can yell about it being proof of the mark of the beast now, and that's exciting.
But the interview itself probably didn't move the needle for most of the people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It was a boring interview, even though after the fact you can do the voices.
But when he's giving the interview, the guy sounds like a regular-ass dude.
dan friesen
How do you do, sir?
jordan holmes
Who owns the fucking bar?
dan friesen
Your fabulous club has a bunch of specials.
jordan holmes
But yeah, and then later on you can be like, he said I'm from the NSA.
But in the real interview, he's like, no, I wasn't there.
I did some stuff.
dan friesen
The existence of the interview has enough of the...
Pieces that Alex needs to do the presentation later.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the interview on its own isn't as nefarious as Alex wants it to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The yelling about it later is.
jordan holmes
But he's mistaking the fact that he can use it later with the interview itself actually being useful.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yeah.
But it, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another call, and this guy, he seems like he's amenable to Alex.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, come on, man, let's talk about that interview.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Did you hear that first hour interview?
unidentified
I did.
conrad chase
It was chilling.
unidentified
I couldn't even believe it.
Well, globally, we're all going to have our chips.
He just thought it was so great that we're all going to be chipped, and isn't that special, and we don't have to pay money anymore?
alex jones
Simon, why did you hear this quote, quote, the chip will prevail in the future?
conrad chase
Yeah, I couldn't believe that.
alex jones
No, it will prevail.
unidentified
And the guy just seemed almost giddy and brainwashed how cool it was.
alex jones
No, no, that's all training as a Verichip subsidiary seller.
I've had, I think, about four other people on.
jordan holmes
What?
Shut the fuck up!
alex jones
I mean, you can play a recording of each one, and it sounds like the same person.
I mean, it's that bad.
dan friesen
I have no evidence that he's had anybody else in Verichip on.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, but this is fun.
He's just made that up now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that is fun.
That's a nice little add-on.
dan friesen
Oh, no, that's how they train them at Verichip.
jordan holmes
Man, you know, it is sometimes like you look at stuff and you wonder, what if Alex was what he said he was?
dan friesen
I think that's something I touched on in one of our really early episodes, is the idea of somebody who is vigilant and watchful and a little bit bombastic.
Is something that society could use.
If Alex was what he pretends to be, there is a use for him in a functioning society, but not the actual thing that he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's two things that could be a better world.
Alex was who he says he was, or collectively we're able to be, like, instantly, you're not who you say you are.
dan friesen
Kick rocks, douche.
jordan holmes
That we live in the one place where neither of these things is true is the absolute worst possible outcome.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex and this guy, you know, they riff a little bit about the interview, and Alex feels pretty good about that, but I think it's still eating away at him that...
jordan holmes
People aren't saying nice enough things about it.
dan friesen
There's too many callers that were like about Bush doing a false flag.
jordan holmes
Everybody's got their own axe to grind.
dan friesen
Getting thrown into a hospital because he's too anti-Semitic.
There's too much other shit going on.
So Alex has just got to like, alright, I gotta do it myself.
I got to just make this entertaining.
alex jones
It's counterculture to not get married.
It's counterculture to have children out of wedlock.
It's counterculture to break things down.
It's counterculture to be lazy and stupid.
And, you know, oh, it's so cool to not know where America is on a map.
No, it's not cool.
If you really want to be rebellious, if you really want to be counterculture, join us.
Join with the people that love us.
jordan holmes
Your dad's the coolest!
alex jones
You are pathetic jellyfish out there.
You trendies.
And the yuppies and the rest of you, you're not even in the game.
Your life doesn't even matter because you've made it not matter.
You're a cog, a programmable jellyfish.
unidentified
You will break your conditioning.
alex jones
You will break it.
Unlock your minds now!
Come on, people!
jordan holmes
Now!
alex jones
We're under unbelievable attack.
They're putting daddy-o-campers in school bathrooms.
That ain't America!
unidentified
Ah!
alex jones
We just had one of these lunatics on here.
unidentified
Soon the global, everyone will have their global chip in them.
Soon our global system.
alex jones
A global ID in your hand.
I mean, it's happening!
dan friesen
So this strikes me a lot.
Alex's performance is basically like an angry child talking about stuff that sounds like what adults would discuss.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I get the feeling that he's still kind of that youth watching his dad's John Birch Society friends yell about bullshit, and then he's doing an impression of that.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking the exact same shit.
I was thinking, this is a JBS person complaining about beatniks.
Oh, you think it's cool to not get mad?
Married anymore!
With your long hair!
You're like, what are we doing?
dan friesen
Fucking flappers.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Yeah, absolutely.
Hold on, hold on, man.
You're in the wrong era.
alex jones
Wrong era.
jordan holmes
I get what you're doing, but wrong era.
unidentified
Come on, man.
dan friesen
2004 wasn't that long ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It was, but it's not.
jordan holmes
But it's not that.
Yeah, come on, man.
dan friesen
So, you know, Alex said that he doesn't plug.
And he doesn't infight.
And then, it seems like he gets into a little bit of infighting.
unidentified
Plug in his book again, as usual, The Enemy Within.
And he quoted something from his book, one of the callers, and he was saying that there's something that's 100 times worse than a dirty nuke.
And do you know what that is?
jordan holmes
A clean one.
unidentified
It's the tongue of the traitors in this country that are against the war and against George Bush.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not a clever one.
alex jones
And they should all be arrested and put in forced labor camps.
We have a national show on 450 stations saying put people in forced labor camps.
unidentified
You're right.
It's terrible, and unfortunately, you know, I have gotten some of your videos, and I've been giving them out to people, and it's very hard to break through the brainwashing that they're getting from the neocons on TV and on the radio.
alex jones
Well, in Road to Tyranny, we show them who the terrorists are, according to the government.
It's the conservatives.
On the surface, they say it's the Muslims, but all the real training's for us.
unidentified
I agree, Michael.
I think that, excuse me.
Oops.
Alex, I agree with you.
Michael Savage?
alex jones
Michael Savage is an oily, greasy, dirty beatnik, okay?
He's a fat-bellied socialist who found out how to really get us.
unidentified
I agree.
alex jones
He makes me want to puke.
unidentified
Can I relate one other thing to you?
alex jones
He's a demonic dwarf.
dan friesen
I mean, just a little while after this, once Michael Savage starts being nice to Alex, he's a forefather of the Patriot movement and one of the greatest.
jordan holmes
You know, that he has experienced being a beatnik is actually useful and helpful.
dan friesen
I mean, this is really just Alex infighting with other people in right-wing media.
jordan holmes
Almost personally, because they're not nice to him.
dan friesen
Not nice to him and pay no attention to him and don't support the same conspiracies that he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's, you know, I guess this is one problem Alex does infight.
He said he doesn't, but he does.
But at least he doesn't plug.
At least he doesn't plug.
jordan holmes
He's against the endless plug.
You know, he has to plug.
We all have to plug, but the endless plug!
dan friesen
Yeah, sure, sure.
alex jones
Sky Television News is reporting that a Pentagon source has told them that 130 U.S. troops have been killed.
But you're going to see this broken up into each individual battle and reported in pieces in the newspaper.
You'll have to add them all up for yourself as a propaganda tactic.
London Guardian's reporting that they escalated all of this, again, so the U.S. can stage as the bad cop and the U.N. can be the good cop, and so they don't have the handover.
And now they've blown up part of a mosque, which is sure to stir things up even worse.
Very, very serious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you sound like it.
alex jones
We go to a few final calls, my friends.
I hope that all of you will get my videos.
I hope you will make copies of them.
I hope you will get them out to your friends, your family, air them on Access Television.
They're waking up 90% of those that see them.
People's minds are very open right now.
dan friesen
See, I mean, he does give short shrift to stories in order to weave into plugs.
So, I mean, he does still do that.
It's certainly not as incessant as it is once he starts doing the supplements, but he still does a fair amount of it.
And also, 90% is way down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Way down from the 98 and 95s that we're used to.
jordan holmes
It was...
dan friesen
What happened?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Probably he had a bad run, you know?
Like, that's the thing about percentages.
You know, like, okay, 50% of the time you're going to get heads or tails.
You know, we all know that.
But what if you get 10 heads in a row?
That's just as likely.
Right?
Every single time.
dan friesen
55, 50, 50, 50, 50. 90, though.
I mean, like, if you're talking about the number...
Of data points that Alex presumably has in order to go down from 95 even to 90. That's a slump.
jordan holmes
Well, we had 50. We were 49 out of 50. And then...
Boy, now we're 49 out of 56. Unfortunately, we've just gone way down.
dan friesen
So Alex also has a really convenient way to not be wrong there with the 130 deaths.
You're going to see reported lower numbers than that, but that's actually them just breaking it up and blah, blah, blah.
No, it's not.
You've got bad information and you're not going to admit that it was tentative information that you have reported as factual and complete because it's more important that the media is...
Yeah.
I mean, ironically, telling people that this is a propaganda tactic is itself a propaganda tactic.
Yikes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, there was also...
I didn't play any of this, but there was about a half hour of the show where Alex complains about...
Sure!
jordan holmes
There's a lot to complain about.
dan friesen
Sure.
It melts your brain.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Makes dumb.
jordan holmes
Opioids.
dan friesen
And also, every episode of The Shield is apparently about how torture is good.
You complained about that for quite a while.
jordan holmes
I want to return to a world where people all agreed that torture is bad.
Now it feels like people are no longer agreeing on this.
dan friesen
Well, this mostly had to do with Alex going to a Chinese restaurant the night before and seeing on the TV that bald man.
Michael Chiklis?
He doesn't know Michael Chiklis' name.
Refuses to save the bald man from NYPD Blue or whatever.
What's the other show Chiklis was on?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Wasn't NYPD Blue Detective Sipowitz?
Wasn't he the bald guy?
dan friesen
Franz.
Dennis Franz.
jordan holmes
Dennis Franz.
dan friesen
Was on NYPD Blue.
I know that.
jordan holmes
Dennis Franz.
Is he dead?
dan friesen
He's dead.
Chiklis was the thing.
jordan holmes
Chiklis was the thing in the Fantastic Four.
Boy, that one really sent his career downwards.
dan friesen
It did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ironically, fantastic casting.
jordan holmes
He was, he actually was the good, he was really the only good character.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Poor guy.
unidentified
Pre-Captain America ass, yeah, dangerous.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and this was...
You know, an interesting exercise in Alex doing an interview that's a setup, and then paying it off with talking about the interview immediately after, fleshing out the, this is how you interpret the things he said, this is the, he's announcing this plan, as opposed to just being a guy who's in favor of these technologies and thinks they're cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I am, I will admit, jealous.
I am jealous of the ability to do something and then inexplicably be proud of yourself for a different reason.
That is amazing.
dan friesen
It is.
It is.
Alex has a lot of enviable self-soothing mechanisms.
jordan holmes
I've done things that I think legitimately I should be proud of, and I find it impossible to.
I find that to be an incredible hurdle in most of my life, to be able to enjoy the things that happen.
dan friesen
Now what if you were able to enjoy them for a fake reason?
jordan holmes
What if I was able to enjoy the things that I shouldn't enjoy?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I feel like there's a number you can call, and it's Alex's hotline.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
See if he can fix that for you.
jordan holmes
There is, again, moderation in all things.
You should not be Alex, and you should not be me.
dan friesen
That's fair.
Enjoy some things.
jordan holmes
Enjoy some, don't enjoy others.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, yeah, I don't know.
I think that this is maybe...
If you look at it, not that important.
But it is actually something that Alex is trying to make one of the most important interviews that he's ever done.
And in that, it becomes more important.
And you can see the ways that he engages with information through the analysis of that.
So that's why I thought it was a worthwhile use of our time.
And the fact that in the present day, Alex is making...
So many excuses.
Bending over backwards to explain away why what Musk is doing is cool.
And you look in the past and it's like, the devil!
jordan holmes
The devil!
It's one-to-one, man.
There's no, like, oh, the context has changed.
It's literally, not only has the context not changed, it's actually freakish that the one thing that you really legitimately should be like, If a billionaire is trying to put chips in you, I warned you about that before other people did.
If there was anything you were going to do that for.
dan friesen
And I didn't play this clip.
I don't have a clip of this, but in a part of it, when he's talking about that Army War College report that is about everyone getting chipped, he said that they predicted it would happen by 2025.
jordan holmes
You're joking!
dan friesen
Which, if that's the case, he should really be concerned about Musk.
unidentified
God damn!
jordan holmes
Damn it!
Of all the things that we have to listen to you be Alex Jones is right about, this one instead, you're like, well, hey, man, this guy's actually fucking cool.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's great.
He's a bigot in the way that I like, and he let me back on social media.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back with another episode, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
dan friesen
Oh, that's right.
jordan holmes
It's Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
Shit, I zoned out.
jordan holmes
We're off Twitter, or we're on it.
I don't even know anymore.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
Until then, I'm Neom Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
Damn it.
I'm not good at improvising, but I was going to try and come up with a song that involved...
Oh, you know what I should have done?
Here's what I should have done.
jordan holmes
This is good improvising.
Here's what I should have done.
dan friesen
In advance, I should have looked up one of the Baja Boys songs.
jordan holmes
That's what you should have done.
dan friesen
And then sung it here at the end.
unidentified
That's what I should have done.
dan friesen
Imagine that.
jordan holmes
Imagine.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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