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Feb. 19, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:26:05
#900: February 16, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan attempt to figure out Alex's response to the cascade of news stories that have broken since they last recorded.  Unfortunately, Alex was out of studio Thursday and Friday, so they're left to sort through some special reports to get the lay of the land.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
15:13
d
dan friesen
41:57
j
jordan holmes
24:49
Appearances
Clips
k
kanye west
00:02
l
lou dobbs
00:22
o
owen shroyer
00:10
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
and endure knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller in the future.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you today.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, I guess, Jordan, it's that we're back in the saddle recording in person again.
It feels, I mean, it hasn't been that long.
jordan holmes
No, but it feels like forever.
unidentified
It honestly feels like forever.
dan friesen
Fucking ever.
We did an episode remotely, and then I had to get this root canal, so realistically, you know, it's been a week since we recorded in person.
That just, I don't know, it feels like...
Feels like a long time.
jordan holmes
I know.
It is uniquely us because other shows are like, that is the correct amount of time to see each other per week.
Whereas we're like, have we considered eight more hours?
dan friesen
Right.
And it's maybe not a positive sign.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
It's pretty great.
It's worked out so far in enough ways for us to continue eating.
I suppose that's as good as it gets, right?
dan friesen
I guess so, yeah.
Speaking of eating, I got that root canal on last Thursday.
Four hours under the drill.
Jesus.
It's a real exciting thing to show up to the dentist and then have him say, this is going to be one of the most complicated root canals you can do.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
I'm like, oh boy.
jordan holmes
Hold on, I didn't even know that there were...
I'm not a smart man, but I didn't think it wasn't...
Much more complicated than going, and then we cleaned it out.
dan friesen
That's definitely what it feels like.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I haven't seen it from above, so I'm not sure.
But yeah, it's always a daunting experience to go into the dentist period, and then for him to really brag about what he's about to do.
It's upsetting.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
But, yeah, we ended up not having a Friday episode.
And I did see a fair amount of feedback that everyone thought it was because I was on drugs.
Right.
And I got no painkillers.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
You're not really a huge painkiller guy.
dan friesen
What do you mean by that?
jordan holmes
I mean, you...
I mean, where...
dan friesen
I take some Tylenol here and there.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I think in our experiences together where many people would go, oh, I just take some...
You go, ah, I can handle the pain.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe I have a decent pain threshold or whatever.
But yeah, I mean, I had all my wisdom teeth taken out when I was much younger and I didn't need the pain meds.
Although back at that point in my life, I definitely took them for fun.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, yeah, that was a more fun time.
dan friesen
But now, I don't think...
I think the danger...
It doesn't seem to be going too well.
I don't know.
It's so weird.
It didn't really hurt that much.
It's strange because I know a lot of people have the opposite experience and I empathize with them.
But for me it was just...
jordan holmes
I haven't gone to a, I won't say real dentist.
dan friesen
Sounds like you've been to a fake dentist.
jordan holmes
What would I say?
I would say that my dentist is a woman in little Vietnam who has an office that would be more like where you would find a centipede of the human variety as opposed to a dentist.
dan friesen
Like a mob dentist?
Off the books?
jordan holmes
It's very cheap.
dan friesen
All right, well, I mean, dentistry is dentistry, right?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
And she doesn't speak much English, so there's not much...
dan friesen
No judgment.
jordan holmes
There's not much talking.
There's not like, oh, have you done this?
She doesn't even know.
dan friesen
She could never tell you it's the most complicated root canal that you can do.
jordan holmes
She really could.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, I will say that, I don't know how much detail I can give, but my wife has been...
Bullied professionally at her school for a long time by some people.
And over the last week, she stood up to those bullies in such spectacular and stirring fashion.
Truly, it has been an impressive stretch of her fighting unjust people.
dan friesen
It's been quite a while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and she stood up and she just fucking took it.
And then, I mean, she just took it to this guy.
It was so good.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
It was so good.
I'm so proud of her.
And I'm, like, pumped.
And I'm jealous because I haven't been in a situation where I can, like, really...
Tell somebody off, you know, in a while.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I guess that's kind of a lucky thing for you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You're a little jealous of getting to have the triumphant moment, but then at the same time, it's like, thank God you don't have to.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing I don't have that year, two years of abuse to have to overcome.
dan friesen
To justify that moment.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But, man, it's good.
dan friesen
Proud of her on your behalf as well.
That's great.
Secondary bright spot.
We announced on our last episode that we are doing these shows.
unidentified
That's right.
jordan holmes
We forgot to talk about that.
dan friesen
And they have all sold out.
And so we ended up being able to add more tickets in Boston.
So as we're recording this, there are tickets still available for Boston because we extended the room.
Yep.
Sorry about all the other ones.
unidentified
They're all sold out.
jordan holmes
I believe all of the seats are sold out in Baltimore, but I think there might be the general balcony.
dan friesen
You didn't tell me there was a fucking balcony.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't there be a balcony?
dan friesen
That's not fair for us.
We should be in a tiny black box theater, not in a place with a balcony.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
What the fuck is this?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
My wife, she reminded me of the very first one we did at the Playground Theater.
dan friesen
Where there was like 13 people.
jordan holmes
Where there was 13 people and we were carrying two 32 packs of beer.
dan friesen
And in the middle of the show, someone was like, hey, can I have one of the beers?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And we gave them one.
That playground theater show, auspicious.
jordan holmes
I think what's terrible about that show, right, is that it is almost like, in retrospect, we...
Set it up and did it just so now would look more impressive.
You know, like, that's a very obvious...
We could have just done nothing, you know, but that's a very, like, oh, I was there for their first show kind of show.
dan friesen
Well, the instinct was to do nothing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If I remember correctly.
I don't know why we did that.
jordan holmes
Honestly.
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I think it was because it was early on enough that we still had, like, a real stand-up tradition of, like, you know, we want to do live shit, you want to be in front of a crowd, and we tried to translate it to this, and there was just no interest.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Good times.
I believe that was the episode about Andrew Breitbart dying.
jordan holmes
Yes, that was.
Wow.
dan friesen
Good times.
jordan holmes
Cocaine.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and it's a mess.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Cocaine.
dan friesen
I don't know how else to describe it to you.
There's just weird scattershot nonsense here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we'll get into exactly why and what's going on after we say hello to some new walks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Uncle John from GDRadio.net celebrating 20 years.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I realized halfway through I should probably be doing that in a salesy voice or a radio announcer voice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like that.
dan friesen
Next, social media terror, Jim Britt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, shout out to Alice and Em, the raptor princesses.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, the Welsh word for beard is barf.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I trimmed my barf.
Yeah, you did.
And me and my pooser little kitty babies.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, so thank you so much to the one and only badass thing Alex Jones has ever done and will do in his life was announcing Henry Kissinger's death over Pantera's cemetery gates.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I don't like to hype things, but people are designed to hype.
I am going to paint once a week on air, and I'm going to let callers call in.
We'll also take emails and request what you want to see me paint.
One, two, three, Matt Damon!
unidentified
Matt Damon!
alex jones
There you go.
Party time.
I'm going to get in your guts.
And the Nazis, in my view, were thugs that shook people down to a lot of really bad things.
unidentified
But they did good things, too.
kanye west
We're going to stop dissing the Nazis all the time.
alex jones
Okay.
I'm thinking about doing some shows, too, where I run the whole thing myself, just hit record, and sit in the dark with just a few candles and candlelight and talk about the nature of the world universe.
I mean, you know, a big old juicy ribeye, folks, is as good as, you know, sex with your wife.
I mean, let's just get down to reality here.
unidentified
I'm gonna go Donkey Kong, King Kong crazy.
alex jones
In about 45 days.
America sucks.
We're all racist.
It's over.
It doesn't mean I want to go live, say, in some places in Asia where you get off the plane over there, folks.
They karate chop you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, man, I think since our last episode, a million things have happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's been busy.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
We had Putin killed Navalny.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
That happened?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Putin said that Tucker's interview was weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, he's had a week.
dan friesen
Tucker was shopping in Russia and got blown away by things at the Russian supermarket.
jordan holmes
I don't...
Now, okay.
I'm not saying that this is entirely my fault.
But I will say that I directly told Putin that he was a loser who was weak for having a bad interview, and then he went and murdered a guy.
So I do feel like I bear a little responsibility for that.
dan friesen
Maybe spiritually, but to imagine he was doing it at you is a little...
I think he was threatening me.
jordan holmes
I think he was threatening me.
dan friesen
So Huma Abedin is dating Alexander Soros?
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why does anybody do anything now?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is Mad Libs.
dan friesen
Yep.
Also, the witness who was the basis for the whole Biden-Ukraine money laundering conspiracy got arrested for making it all up.
jordan holmes
That's hilarious.
unidentified
That happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Trump was fined about $354 million in his fraud case, which also included him being barred from doing business in New York for three years.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not being able to take any loans?
jordan holmes
I like a good, you're barred from doing business here, as though that's almost a quaint old-timey, like, we won't see you in this town anymore!
dan friesen
We'll run you out of town.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, so there's just a lot.
There's a lot.
jordan holmes
Oh, and the Fulton County DA is fucking around, so that whole case is gone.
dan friesen
That's true.
Well, no, that case isn't gone.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but you know what I mean.
dan friesen
There's a lot.
So I was kind of dreading doing the show, honestly, because there's so much.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then Alex was out of studio, and Owen hosted the show on Thursday and Friday.
jordan holmes
Great.
Nothing to do.
Not at all.
No business.
dan friesen
I'm not going to go through a whole show with Owen hosting because the ding-dong is boring, so in order to try and figure out what the Alex line on some of this stuff was, I had to go over to band.video to see what kind of reports Alex was putting out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I managed to find a couple.
The Trump fraud judgment didn't break until Friday afternoon, and Alex wasn't at studio, so there's no coverage of that on band.video.
As far as I can tell, there's no videos of the Biden witness being arrested, which isn't a surprise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Not topping the coverage.
jordan holmes
Hilarious, though.
dan friesen
I was shocked, however, to click on some of these videos and see the very low level of engagement they have.
It's absolute shit.
Like, a lot of the comments are spam, and if a video has 100,000 to 200,000 views, there's going to be like 100 likes on it.
And that's only for Alex's show.
If you go to the War Room, their shows are generally under 30,000 views, and the American Journal is lucky to be over 10. Paul Joseph Watson hasn't posted on there since last May.
There are reports of Tucker Carlson interviews, and they just repost them.
They aren't getting the kind of numbers they want.
Roger Stone is posting Stone Zone videos there, but they typically get view counts in the hundreds.
It is a grim picture.
jordan holmes
Stone is doing worse than some open mic comics I know.
dan friesen
I think that's because he primarily has the videos on Frank's speech or whatever.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
His core following is elsewhere.
Mike Lindell.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think this is just like...
You know, post it there, see what we can get out of it.
jordan holmes
Passive revenue streams.
dan friesen
But it's still only, like, you know, it's pretty low.
jordan holmes
That's sad.
dan friesen
So I went over there to get some news to break down for everybody, and I was shocked to learn that the February 15th video, the episode from that day, was Owen, who's hosting the show, along with Chase Geyser and Harrison Smith in what they called the InfoWars Roundtable.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
They were the Knights.
jordan holmes
Do not tell me that the three of them teamed up to be shitty at their jobs together.
dan friesen
We need to stop this!
jordan holmes
This is terrible!
These three are talentless!
It's garbage!
Everybody, please!
Never let me do this again!
dan friesen
He had a different take.
So here's him explaining what's going on.
unidentified
So here's...
Oh, wait.
owen shroyer
Entering the chat.
Entering the chat.
jordan holmes
Ring the bell.
It's now official.
owen shroyer
The Knights of the InfoWars Roundtable.
The power has just increased into the room, and Alex Jones is now in the studio.
alex jones
Yeah, I'm having to deal with a bunch of the bankruptcy crap.
I'd rather be on air than listening to you guys, but I'm actually up here at the office getting some stuff done.
I'll be back for part of the show tomorrow, and I'll be up here this weekend, obviously.
They have a lot of court crap I have to deal with.
unidentified
I love that this is a voicemail.
alex jones
They do stuff like sell off everything I own, which is fine because I don't care about selling every trinket or every knife or every gun or every book or everything I ever had because truth and justice on the air is what matters, and these people don't understand that.
But I've been following the Russia situation, and I know exactly what's going on with the so-called space nukes.
So I'm going to shoot a special report right now that'll be ready for you guys.
And if I was you guys on Spaces, I would actually make it something about the big Russia threat because Mario Nafal at 3 o 'clock will be popping up with him.
He's doing his own Spaces on this.
I don't know what you guys chose your Spaces on, but I'm going to have the inside baseball for you guys.
A little five-minute report you can air during that Spaces.
I'll have it ready for you here in about 40 minutes or so, okay?
Copy that.
I'm an expert on this.
dan friesen
Okay.
So you can learn two important things from that clip.
One, Alex is dealing with bankruptcy-related issues that are impacting him enough that he's had to take two days off his show.
And two, he's becoming completely obsessed with Twitter spaces to the point where he has time, he'll make time to go on this other person's Twitter space, but not be on his own show.
I think the reason for that is pretty obvious.
If you look at band.video, you can kind of see a picture of an uninspiring landscape.
It doesn't feel like there's a lot of electricity to it.
It's just kind of a bummer.
Posting something on there is not going to hit.
the dopamine button.
But now that Alex is back on Twitter, he has access to what is essentially a dopamine factory.
There's so many scammers and bots and so much inauthentic traffic on there that every time he posts, it's got to feel like a million bucks worth of attention.
And to add to that the distinct possibility that if you have a Twitter space going, there's Mm-hmm.
And you have a combination that's irresistible for someone like Alex.
I would expect that he'll fail to learn from his past mistakes and put as many eggs as he can into that basket, to the point where his show starts catering to an audience carve-out that engages most with his Twitter.
We're already seeing him dabbling and using Twitter spaces instead of phone calls, which I honestly think is a double-edged sword where both edges are bad.
I like that.
jordan holmes
I, uh, I mean...
Could there be a more like, oh, you have no boss moment than just wandering on to somebody else's show and just being like, hey, I'm going to give you an update on my bankruptcy stuff, despite the fact that that has nothing to do.
dan friesen
Hey, I'm going to do something on Twitter later.
jordan holmes
Incredibly unprofessional behavior.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it is his own show, just someone else's hosting.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And he also wanders off and then comes back.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, almost immediately after to talk more about Twitter spaces.
jordan holmes
Yeah, seriously.
I get that it's his own show, but there would be a part of me that is like, come on, man.
Let's make this a show.
dan friesen
If you're going to have me host, get lost.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You do it.
I came here.
I got my friend Harrison Smith and my buddy Chase Geyser up here to the three of us come to terms with how lack of talent can lead to whatever we do now.
And then you show up!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we supposed to do?
dan friesen
Well, that's why he's King Arthur, that shit.
So we go now to the special report that Alex shot about the space laser that apparently he was promoting on his interruption of Owen hosting the show.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So here's just a real good sting to open.
alex jones
Are the globalists preparing a nuclear-triggered EMP false flag to be blamed on Russia?
You bet your ass they are.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Way to remove the mystery.
dan friesen
Yep.
Sure.
Are they doing this?
Yes.
jordan holmes
You know, that is like...
I mean, it's easy to make fun of, but every time the local news has done that, like, are kids eating too much cereal?
We'll see you next time.
If they had just said...
unidentified
Well, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
They do not say, see you next time.
They say, we'll talk about it after the break.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And they do it to make you watch commercials.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's not what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He's doing the opposite of that.
He's going like, are your children eating too much cereal?
Yeah.
End of show.
dan friesen
Well, in theory, after this woo music, the implication is he's going to talk more about it, like the local news, but there isn't an ad there.
The ad is at the end of the video.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying you can press stop at that moment because he's already...
Said it.
dan friesen
We could.
But we're here anyway, so let's hear what else Alex has to say.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Is Russia developing nuclear-powered lasers?
Are they deploying them in space?
And the answer is undoubtedly yes.
But guess who was doing this even back in the 1970s and had perfected it by the 1980s and 90s?
The United States.
And as usual, everybody's running around.
unidentified
Do you think Reagan did a good job at Star Wars?
alex jones
Acting like they don't know what's going on to scare the public when there's a very clear history of exactly what's going on with the United States, Russia, China, and other governments.
So I'm about to break down what's really happening in space straight ahead.
unidentified
Oh, what?
dan friesen
Another note?
jordan holmes
Wow!
Okay.
dan friesen
So there's a secondary introduction that goes to more woo-woo music.
jordan holmes
Alright, okay.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex, I mean you just...
Nailed it.
He's talking about Reagan's shit.
Those plans were about creating some kind of a weapon that could shoot down missiles from space, and they famously didn't work.
Conversely, what's being alleged about Russia is that they're developing an anti-satellite weapon, which would be a very severe violation of the non-armament of space treaties that were signed in the 60s.
I have no idea what Russia is up to or isn't up to, and I don't want to jump to hysterics over some vague government announcements, but if what they're saying is correct, that Russia is planning a nuclear-armed anti-satellite...
weapon, that would be a huge provocation and unlike anything the U.S. or other countries have done.
Alex is being very strange about this equivocation.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'll just say as far as that goes, right?
Here's the problem with all of that.
It doesn't make any sense.
Any defensive weapon or offensive weapon when it comes to mutually assured destruction, they're all the same.
You know, a protection from destruction is an offensive weapon because the entire basis is that we will all die together, right?
So if you were trying to protect yourself from, which is part of why Star Wars was bad, was not because it could have worked, or not because it didn't work, but because if it did work, it would necessitate an immediate retaliation.
dan friesen
True, before it got put in place.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Before there was never an opportunity again.
jordan holmes
Because anything that alters mutually assured destruction in any direction requires an instant response in order to return back to the status quo.
So, if there is a big news alert to me about this, that says to me somebody somewhere wants more money and it is not going to fucking protect anybody.
dan friesen
Well, probably.
I mean, look.
It's hard to parse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's hard to parse.
Because on the one hand, I do believe that there is probably a strong likelihood that Russia is exploring these avenues and maybe is closer to developing something like this than you might think.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You might want to think.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There could be a legitimate threat.
At the same time, it's obviously people want more funding.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what to make of the real world, but I do know what to make of what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks a little bit more about this.
He talks about how there were powerful lasers.
jordan holmes
Oh, actually, that's a good question.
Have we talked about this?
Does Alex think that secretly Star Wars did work?
dan friesen
I think he must.
jordan holmes
I think that's where I mess up all the time.
I think he thinks that.
But I forget that it...
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Right, but if he did, then the whole possibility of nuclear attacks from Russia...
Shouldn't scare him.
Shouldn't be alarmed about it.
jordan holmes
Because we secretly have indestructibility, essentially.
dan friesen
Right, but then again, the globalists would want those nuclear strikes to end up happening so they wouldn't use the Star Wars system that does exist.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think we're trapped.
jordan holmes
I think that is the problem with this path.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this all goes back, man.
It goes back so far.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
By the 1970s, it's declassified.
The United States had powerful lasers mounted in space.
Some of them...
What are called X-ray lasers that are powered by a nuclear power plant.
unidentified
Earth-based nuclear-powered X-ray lasers fire their radioactive rays.
alex jones
In many cases, they would actually detonate a small atomic or hydrogen bomb that then fires through the X-ray laser arrays and just fries everything in a massive radius around it.
This would also cause a major electromagnetic...
Disturbances in the atmosphere.
That's why the Pentagon back in the 1960s did Operation Fishbowl, where they tried to detonate the upper atmosphere with high-powered hydrogen bombs just to test and see it was safe.
dan friesen
So what Alex is talking about is the fruit of the research in a program called Project Excalibur.
And it did look at options like having a power reactor for the lasers or having nuclear explosions used as a power source.
But these weren't things that were put into force by the United States.
This was research.
It was done.
They explored it.
And Operation Fishbowl happened in 1962, many years before Excalibur was going.
So his timeline's a little bit weird and all over the place.
The dynamic that's important to understand here is that...
Alex wants to excuse Russia's actions and ideally make it more likely for them to use this capability against the United States.
You can kind of tell based on his tone and considering the possible ways that this could play out, you can see which ones are advantageous to him.
There's the outcome where Russia doesn't use this technology, which is kind of neutral.
Alex can get a little excitement out of talking about it for now and creating narratives about what could happen, but if it doesn't get used, it's all pretty much just static.
I believe that Alex would much prefer the tech being used to take out U.S. satellites, primarily because he's been crafting...
in conspiracies for years about someone pulling off a false flag cyber attack, which would then get blamed on the Russians.
Yeah.
unidentified
But it wouldn't be blamed on Russia for its own sake.
dan friesen
They would only get the blame as a way of attacking Putin's supporting crowds in the Yeah.
Alex has made constantly wrong predictions about this for quite a while now, so if this was used and the U.S. satellites were hit, it would be perfect for a fake outcast.
Alex Jones was right type moment.
And he's pretty addicted to those.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
especially with Twitter.
Alex needs to rush to get out ahead of things like this because the alternative is really dangerous for him.
If there was an attack on satellites like what people are talking about, and it was Russia that did it, that runs the risk of actually uniting people the country around a common fight, and that would be uniting under the umbrella of the United States federal government, who is Alex's real enemy.
Yeah.
unidentified
In order to limit the ability for people to galvanize and unite around shared trauma, Alex has a very strong incentive preemptively to tell these stories as false flags, so they Unifying power.
dan friesen
This is one of the ways that false flag narratives are used on InfoWars.
One major strategy is using the fear of incoming false flags as a way to do advanced damage control when you're pretty concerned that someone from your world may carry out violence, but this is another.
The whole thing about false flag attacks on the power grid is actually an interesting example of a case where both strategies are being used simultaneously.
This narrative framework makes excuses in advance in case any right-wing extremists attack the power grid, and if Russia attacks these satellites, this narrative framework will hinder cohesion around Yeah, you know,
jordan holmes
something that's interesting to me about this, because it's something that we've all grown up with as being a totally normal part of life, to just know about, oh, Russia is a threat, you know, that kind of thing.
But it really makes no sense to me from a distant standpoint, because for...
That to be a problem for me personally.
So many things would have to go wrong that it wouldn't really matter.
Like, I would already be in such dire straits at that point.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't need to know if there's a threat to the satellite system.
Because if it goes down, I'll know.
Until then, there's nothing I can do to affect it one way or the other.
dan friesen
Well, that's true.
I guess, you know, this only happened because that one, like, congressperson came out and said something, so who's to know if, like, it was even really something that merited the public's attention in a meaningful way, or if this is just something that should be discussed in the...
chambers where it's relevant.
Right.
unidentified
Where someone can do something about it, as opposed to you worrying about it.
jordan holmes
And like most of Congress is, you know, I would say they're professional, but a lot of Congress is also capable of saying weird random nonsense for no reason, and everybody just listens to it.
dan friesen
That is true, especially when weird cryptic stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, they're coming.
What?
unidentified
You can't say that.
jordan holmes
You're in Congress.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex believes that this is meant to ratchet up a new Cold War.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Why is the Pentagon and the White House all mysteriously, oh, we're not going to say if they have a weapon or what it is, but it's probably nukes in space and nukes that power lasers.
jordan holmes
It's probably nukes in space.
alex jones
It's because they're ratcheting up a new cold and probably hot war with Russia.
The EU, the NATO leaders are saying it's going to be a 2030-year long-term war.
They're going to bring back national conscription in Europe and the UK.
Setting their entire political future while they make us eat bugs and owe nothing and be happy on using the outside threat of Russia as the pretext for domestic crackdowns and control here at home.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel like you don't need the we eat the bugs thrown in here.
jordan holmes
It does seem superfluous.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like they're going to bring back the natural draft.
dan friesen
In Europe, in Europe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, while they make us eat bugs.
Like, nah, we don't need that.
We're already bad.
The national draft part is, that's the bad part.
dan friesen
Well, I imagine it would probably be here, too.
But Alex has been crowing about the draft for fucking ever.
It's always a specter that looms in the background that the globalists are trying to, Put into place, but seemingly never pull off.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that we could avoid a draft out of, like, nationalism, you know?
Like, oh, well, the Europeans are doing it, so you know it's a stupid idea, you know?
dan friesen
Well, the only way that you're going to avoid this draft is let Russia do whatever they want.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
Well, I mean, if you didn't want to fight, then you should have given everything away.
dan friesen
So, we come to the end of Alex's report on the laser, and...
jordan holmes
Man.
You can't just have a...
See, that's the thing, alright?
If you throw up, could be a space laser.
Then it is Alex's job to make it a bombastic space laser that can target people from all over.
dan friesen
He can't because it's Russia doing it.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's what he should be doing, though!
dan friesen
He's doing that, but in reverse.
He's saying that the United States already has the sort of bombastic, sensationalized version of it, and whatever Russia's doing is fine.
jordan holmes
It's disappointing.
That's why it's a boring space.
dan friesen
It is a little bit.
alex jones
Finally, you've gotten a brief history of these weapons systems.
We've explained the fact that these are existing technologies that any advanced government or corporation could deploy.
jordan holmes
Don't worry.
Be afraid, but don't worry.
alex jones
They're not just hyping all this up for war hysteria with Russia.
Just like we saw with Russia and Trump and all the rest of it.
The most important point of all these incredibly important points is this.
The globalists have been hyping for three years that Russia is going to launch an EMP and knock out the power grid in America, or they're going to work with, quote, Trump supporters and knock out the power grid ahead of the 2024 election.
Now, who really believes that?
But now we're being told of this magic power up in the sky.
jordan holmes
So you should be afraid.
alex jones
That could do all these incredibly bad things.
And it's all classified so they can't tell us.
Ladies and gentlemen, big things are already happening.
Even bigger things are coming.
And we have been predicting that they might pull something like this and false flag Russia.
So we need to expose this right now.
And all of you need to research the claims I've made in this video.
Find out it's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hard to imagine what Putin could do that Alex wouldn't defend or pretend to secretly globalist false flag at this point.
And for what it's worth, we didn't get hit.
history lesson in this video.
Alex has repeatedly said that there have been nuclear-armed U.S. weapons in space since the 70s, and the only thing he's even presented as evidence or as passing as evidence is vague references to Project Excalibur, which famously didn't work.
It was the basis of the Star Wars system.
So...
Not quite a history lesson, but it is like, okay, here's the deal.
I'm an expert on this shit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They're trying to false flag Russia.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Thank you.
Okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate...
I wonder if there's some...
Somebody's probably researched this, but there's got to be something about when people try and replace an emotion with the same emotion.
If that makes sense to you.
Like, hey, hey, hey, hey.
No, you shouldn't be afraid of that.
You should be afraid of this.
You know, like, if you're trying to replace fear with different fear, that's something that you shouldn't trust.
You know, if somebody's caring for you, they're trying to replace fear with a positive emotion, right?
Not replace it with the same emotion in a different direction.
dan friesen
Right.
Especially when there is kind of an incentive around the other emotion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, a caring person does not look at a human being in fear and go, ah, here's what you should do.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Continue being afraid, but the way I want you to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, you know, there's kids afraid of monsters under the bed, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
It's me you should be afraid of!
dan friesen
Or spiders, or something like that.
unidentified
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
No sensible instinct.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, I think that gave us not much contribution to the information space.
Oh, what a shock.
Alex says something is going to be a false flag to blame Russia.
Great.
We already knew it.
So since we're on the Russia topic, let's see.
He has a special report about Navalny.
jordan holmes
Let's write it out.
The murder of Putin's deliberate, specific, and purposeful murder of his largest critic.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The news broke this morning that Alexei Navalny, Russia's biggest political dissident, died in a Siberian work camp.
Was he murdered by the Russian state?
And the answer is, we don't know.
But we do know this.
jordan holmes
That's your answer.
unidentified
A ticket to one of those work camps kills about half the people.
jordan holmes
Tomorrow's ass news today.
alex jones
It's a slow death penalty.
So in the final equation...
Putin definitely wanted this guy to go away.
Let's just state the facts here.
Now that that's out, let's look at motive.
Why would Putin, when he's just basically won the Ukraine war, had this huge Tucker Carlson interview, is in pole position to win by 80 plus points in the upcoming presidential elections.
Why would he kill somebody who's already in a work camp in prison?
Why does he have a motive so that Biden and NATO and the whole world could come out against him?
Why would he do that now?
They don't have the motive.
And Russia is similar to the United States in that it's full of globalists, full of different operatives.
How do we know somebody wasn't paid off to pull?
They made a movie about it.
The guy who did it admitted it.
And that's what Biden said in his speech today.
He said, we've got to pass this funding now in memory of Alexei.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Navalny's death may be a false flag, too.
What a shock.
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, I think that as it exists now, and maybe the information will never be fully available in terms of the precise cause of his death.
Sure.
I think you can spiritually say You tried to poison him, and then sent him to a Siberian camp, and that's murder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If you end up dying at the end of that, you were killed.
jordan holmes
I feel like people have kind of mistaken the...
For me personally, I would prefer the being murdered part to the Siberian death camp part, because you die either way, but one takes a long time.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They're both murder.
Murder me right away!
Just, I'm gone.
Fine.
dan friesen
You lack some of the vim and the will to live that other people write songs about.
jordan holmes
Things are going great and I'm on the edge as it is.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Take it down a notch and that's already too bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, I find this to be the not surprising-est thing ever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The coverage of this is led with maybe a globalist in it.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you can't...
If anybody...
Yeah, let's put it this way.
The fact that InfoWars has been reduced to saying, did Putin murder the guy he most obviously murdered?
dan friesen
You never know.
jordan holmes
Of ever.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Of anyone.
Of all the people ever, to ever murder a guy the most murdered a guy has ever been is right now.
dan friesen
Hey, we gotta really get all the facts on this one before we make any assessments.
You know what?
Alex is the kind of guy who's slow to judgment.
That's something that you can really say about him that is an admirable quality.
jordan holmes
They are so bad at it, too, that Navalny called the guy who poisoned him...
For a movie!
And the guy who poisoned him was like, yeah, we poisoned you.
That was fucking great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then he's gone.
Do you know who else is murdered?
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
The guy who admitted he poisoned him.
dan friesen
Well, it's a quiz.
It's probably a globalist.
jordan holmes
That guy's very murdered.
dan friesen
Putin doesn't have a motive.
He's probably a globalist.
Probably a secret globalist.
jordan holmes
How could you possibly say, we don't know?
dan friesen
Right.
Look, the UN, though, right?
They want an investigation.
jordan holmes
Why would they?
Why?
dan friesen
They want an investigation.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
But now let's look at all the hypocrisy.
The UN has come out and said, we want an investigation.
Anytime somebody dies in state custody and prison, there should be an investigation.
So, did the UN call for an investigation of the mysterious death of Jeffrey Epstein, where the coroner said it was obviously murder, homicide, his neck was broken in three places?
No.
dan friesen
I think there's a few differences between these situations.
I think probably the reason that the UN didn't wade into calling for an investigation into Epstein's death is there was already an investigation started immediately.
Also, Epstein wasn't the only high-profile political opponent to a dictator who that dictator had previously tried to poison and then sent to a Siberian work camp.
unidentified
So I think there's a few distinctions between these two things.
dan friesen
But what Alex is doing here is equivocating because he supports Putin killing Navalny.
Deep down, he knows that's what happened, but it seems like his primary function these days is to make Putin look good, so it's important that he plays games with this.
You don't want your audience to realize that Putin straight-up kills his political opposition and jails critical journalists, so you gloss over this stuff.
You suggest that Navalny's death might have been a false flag, then move on to whining about unrelated hypocrisy points about the UN.
In a matter of minutes, Alex has managed to hand-wave Navalny's death and then pivot into distraction so the audience doesn't start thinking this Putin character is bad news.
It's weird.
I mean, it's not weird, but it is weird.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
It is, yeah.
I think what's almost weirder is that I...
I expect it.
That's the weirdest thing about it.
If you go back at any point in time and you're just like, oh yeah, you would totally expect the right wing in the United States to be like, Putin doesn't murder people?
You're crazy.
That totally makes sense.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
You start to ask yourself, is there a point at which Alex would be like...
Putin has gone too far.
jordan holmes
I mean, right?
dan friesen
I can't really imagine it now.
I guess maybe nuking a city, but he wouldn't do that.
It would be the globalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, actually, that's...
See, that's...
But that's the type of thing that's almost, like, less likely for Alex to draw a line in there because the bigger it is, the easier it is to be like, oh, that was somebody else, you know?
Whereas something like this that is so clearly personal...
Was he murdered by the state?
What are you fucking talking about?
How dare you say the state when you know that you mean Putin?
You're saying the state because you don't want people to think you mean Putin, even though you mean Putin, which is why you're saying the state!
dan friesen
Right.
And it is unfortunate timing for Alex, you know, with Tucker's interview and all that.
To have to try and...
jordan holmes
But that's why he did it!
It didn't go well.
He's a fucking whiny, pathetic loser, so to get his rocks off, he killed a guy!
How do we not know this?
dan friesen
That's the story that you're telling, and I don't think...
I mean, obviously you can't prove that.
That is the narrative thread that you've put together.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Who knows if there's any actual connection between those things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But you have deduced the psychology of the individual, as Jeeves might say.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen.
I'm just saying that...
And people can correct me if I'm wrong.
This is not our first maniacal dictator overlord.
They have an M.O. Generally speaking, they make very similar mistakes and often are assuaged with very similar solutions.
So in this case, historically, I've seen a lot of guys murder a guy to feel better.
dan friesen
So Alex, for what it's worth, does not support sending people to Siberia.
He is not a fan.
jordan holmes
It is a courageous stance to take in 2024.
dan friesen
Now there's some other things he doesn't like.
alex jones
And now I'm about to defend...
That's the American way.
But Putin doesn't have the motive, and our same media and our same government that made jokes about Gonzalo Lira and could care less...
In fact, before he was killed, he begged for help from the State Department to get out of the country, and they wouldn't even return his phone calls or emails.
We'll, in a moment, show his final statement here before he was grabbed and then basically starved to death.
jordan holmes
We're going to show you his final statement.
alex jones
...is the fact that just because Russia has issues and is corrupt doesn't mean that it's okay for our government to persecute its political enemies.
dan friesen
So none of that stuff that he's talking about is relevant to the point.
That's all a complete distraction smokescreen from the matter at hand.
And Alex is deploying this stuff because he supports Putin, and he doesn't want to talk about the actual facts of the matter in this case.
Great, you don't support sending people to Siberia.
And then your next immediate thought is...
Yeah.
It seems like...
It seems...
Like, a strange path of thought.
jordan holmes
It feels like you should at least have to try harder than that.
Like, shouldn't you have to be like, okay, well, we're going to give you Navalny's words, and then immediately after that, to kind of wash that out of your mouth, we're going to give you the words of the person.
Yeah, you can't get away with that.
That's not fair.
unidentified
No, you can't.
jordan holmes
That's just changing the subject.
dan friesen
No, you can't, because the point of this isn't actually about Navalny's death.
It's about America being bad.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's basically what the whole thrust is here.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
So that's the reality here, is you can say, okay, Russia's got these draconian situations going on, and I oppose that.
dan friesen
Tough talk.
alex jones
But now we're just going to accept those type of political persecutions here in America?
I put out a video about 10 minutes before the ruling came out with the headline, New York judge finds Trump guilty of real estate fraud.
And then, sure enough, ten minutes later, they came out with the ruling.
It was imminent.
How did I know that would happen?
Because the judge last year already found Trump guilty and then had his own trial with no jury to find out how guilty.
They think we're stupid, ladies and gentlemen.
So, Putin's not dissolving our borders.
Putin's not shipping in fentanyl.
Putin's not starting all these wars like the United States has started.
dan friesen
So this is a video that's supposed to be about covering the news that Putin's primary opposition, whom he had tried to poison and then sent to a Siberian work camp, died at said work camp.
Instead of having any real discussion of that, it seems like this whole video is meant to be about how bad America is and how because of that we can't really judge Putin.
That's weird, particularly for the number one super America loving patriot guy.
Also, Alex could post that headline ahead of time because he does sloppy work and he doesn't care about verifying information.
He constantly posts headlines that are completely full of shit based on...
whims and hunches, so this is nothing new.
It was a pretty educated guess that Trump would be fine to shit, though, so good on you.
Judge Engeron hadn't found Trump guilty a year ago, and then now he was doing this trial to find out how guilty he was.
That's Alex's talking point about his own Sandy Hook cases, and he's trying to superimpose that onto Trump, so it appears like the globalists are attacking them with the same pattern.
jordan holmes
Which is a wise move.
dan friesen
Alex is misrepresenting that the case had seven different causes of action.
The first one is a very simple one that only required that it be proven that Trump and his co-defendants had made false statements in business.
That was super easy to prove, and the court granted them summary judgment on that back in September.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that shouldn't even have been, like, that should already have happened 30 years ago.
unidentified
It did.
jordan holmes
You know, yeah, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
The other six causes of action required that they prove that there was intention to violate laws behind the false statements, which was then litigated at this trial.
Alex is just lying about this because if he dealt with reality it would really highlight how much of a con man Trump is and how none of the audience should trust him.
And how much Alex was an idiot to trust him.
He just doesn't want to open that can of worms.
Instead of taking this as a moment where they could realize that the guy they cast as their strongman political savior is actually a fraud, Alex is lying about the circumstances of the case in order to make it seem like political oppression.
That political oppression is then being used to deflect from accusations that Putin killed Navalny.
That's pretty over the top, even by Infowar standards.
This is a heroic level of deflection.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here's what I feel like.
Alright, let me try and like wade into something safe, okay?
I think the justice system can work.
But like, here's the problem.
It doesn't work for the edgiest of edge, the extremes, you know?
Because realistically, it is insane.
For any of us to walk into a courtroom and then be like, we need to prove motive behind whether or not Trump intended to defraud people.
That should literally just be you walk in and everybody goes, come on!
Like, it's too late for that.
You know what I'm saying?
But that's the thing, right?
We can't have a justice system where that happens at all.
dan friesen
Right.
You want the protection of not being subject to the come on legal justice system and therefore people who deserve a little come on.
jordan holmes
It's unfortunate.
dan friesen
Yeah, they are not subject to the come on rules.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And that's why we have superheroes.
Because we think that there's that difference, you know?
We think that makes sense.
dan friesen
But then who watches the Watchmen?
jordan holmes
And there we go.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, we've come full.
dan friesen
Full circle.
I don't know any more references.
jordan holmes
But still further.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
Let's go one step further back.
If you don't think Putin murdered Navalny, this is the most come on.
You know, that's why it's hard to read about in newspapers and shit where it's like allegedly murdered.
Come on!
dan friesen
It's very strange.
You know, like, the reason that people generally say allegedly is because of worrying about being sued.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's fucking Putin.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Oh, we won't get an interview with Putin anymore.
Yeah.
Surprise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, look, this is a Russia issue, man.
That's really what's going on.
alex jones
The truth is, Putin runs Russia.
That's Russia's issue.
But in America, we've got tyrants that make...
Vladimir Putin, even if you believe he's the devil, look like an amateur.
And that is the reality.
So remember Gonzalo Lira.
Remember Julian Assange.
Remember the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of peaceful January 6th activists that were waved into the Capitol that are serving years in prison.
And others that shook the fence, like Joe Biggs, spending decades in prison.
And understand that when the left points their finger at Russia and says, look, they're totalitarian, They should be looking right back in the mirror because they're cheerleading all this garbage.
Putin denies he does all this.
The left is everywhere calling for all of our imprisonment.
They openly support this, so they are guilty as hell.
dan friesen
So I guess this is all just going to be a deflection.
That's basically all this is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I think the thing that's really fascinating here is Alex's take at the beginning where it's just a Russia issue.
Does he think he doesn't comment on and get really worked up about domestic politics in other countries?
An entire chapter of his Great Reset book was about how tyrannical Justin Trudeau was because of the Canadian trucker protests.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is very hands-off when it's a leader that he likes doing something that he can't possibly support.
But if it's a leader he doesn't like, it's open season.
Alex has to be a little delicate here because his world operates in black and white.
There's a literal devil who runs the enemy's side, so you have to be pretty allergic to nuance.
Alex needs to maintain Putin as a heroic figure because he represents a lot of societal bigotries that Alex wants to make normal here in the United States, so it's critically important to not do anything that's going to push him onto the enemy's side.
They could theoretically be launching space nukes, killing political opponents, jailing journalists, and Alex's response has to be to pretend that these things are false flags, and even if they're not, the United States is worse, because if he doesn't, he runs Uh-oh, Putin's working for the devil.
The branding and the imagery around him as, like, he wants to raise the birth rates, he wants to make religion central, the traditional family.
All this stuff, like, is so valuable to him that he can't really deal with it in real terms.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that, I mean, it's so damaging just as a frame, a point of reference, like, that idea of, like, because if you've condensed things down so clearly to just one or the other, you know, then...
Any conversation is either you're trying to hurt or help me, you know?
And if you're saying, oh, well, this person on my team is bad, you're hurting me because you're hurting the team.
Right now is not the time to go after this guy who's on our team.
Right now is the time to go after Ultimate Evil.
dan friesen
Right, which is the U.S. government.
Well, it's the people who were hijacked, the U.S. government.
jordan holmes
Now, it seems strange that this has been going on for your entire life and the lives of the people before you and the people before you and the people before them and so on and so forth.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
With no change in any conversation.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
But this time, it's going to work.
The lesser of two evils is the right way to go.
dan friesen
We simultaneously, always, and never have the chance to conquer the devil, and that is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, man, he's not a Putin apologist.
No.
alex jones
My job is not being an apologist for Putin or for Russia.
I'm just saying the timing of this is very, very suspicious.
dan friesen
Oh.
alex jones
Also, he could have had a heart attack and really died for real.
unidentified
Could have.
alex jones
I tend to not think that's the case.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
It was foul play, but again.
jordan holmes
Tender?
alex jones
We don't know.
jordan holmes
It's impossible to know, really.
dan friesen
So, look, I understand Alex does caveat some stuff with, like, this is speculation and shit, but, like, your speculation is there's no reason that this could be Putin.
If it's foul play, it's a fucking globalist who's trying to false flag Putin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And at least he, you know, talks himself down where he's like, could it be a normal heart attack?
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
It's fun to be like, I'm not an apologist for Putin, and then literally do apologia.
jordan holmes
I'm so sorry for Putin.
I think everything he does is great, and I think if you believe that he's wrong, you're wrong.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
Ah, man.
Why?
You know, that's a question for...
It's like a deep question that I think requires a serious amount of time to get to the bottom of.
Why?
Why did you pull it back?
You could say it.
We don't know why.
I mean, you could say, we don't know why.
But not even he could say that without going, I tend to think that's not the case.
Like, why?
dan friesen
Well, because there's a level of, like, I'm embarrassed.
jordan holmes
Right?
How is that the level, you know?
Once you're past a certain point, like, why even have a level at all?
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you, but, you know.
As the kids say, some people are built different.
jordan holmes
Hey, could have been anybody out there.
dan friesen
So the special reports were not that fertile of ground to till soil.
But there was something about Cheerios.
There's chemicals in the Cheerios that are making nutrients.
So that's fun.
I decided to ignore that report.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's get that one out of here.
dan friesen
And so I was like, alright, well, Alex...
On Friday, on the 16th, he did show up.
He didn't really show up.
He did a little bit of time at the beginning on the phone, or maybe pre-recorded.
And so we're going to listen to that a little bit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So here's the beginning of the show.
jordan holmes
No more Agatha Christie murder mystery of Navalny.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It does not really come up on Friday's show.
jordan holmes
Do you know who did it, Dan?
All of us.
dan friesen
It was Colonel Mustard.
jordan holmes
It was all of us who killed him.
dan friesen
Oh, so it was an Orient Express situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was an Orient Express situation.
dan friesen
Shit.
Well, here's where we are on Friday.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's Friday, February 16th, 2024.
I'm your host, Alex Jones, and the wheels are coming off the New World Order.
The entire system is being revealed to the world.
There are open announcements by publications like the Wall Street Journal that, hey, inflation is your fault and you should just skip meals.
We're going to be breaking that down next segment.
dan friesen
Oh, very exciting.
So the Wall Street Journal did have a headline, quote, to save money, maybe you should skip breakfast.
But the body of the article doesn't really match the tone of that headline.
This was a bit of a clickbait situation where the actual body of the text is just about price increases in many of the categories of foods that generally make up breakfast and how these prices are rising.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At least they were back when this article was published in February 2023.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
It's over a year old.
jordan holmes
It's over a year old.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't realize that since he's not covering this article itself, he's covering a Zero Hedge article that uses the Wall Street Journal as a prop in the middle of the article.
The Wall Street Journal article is a year ago.
A little over a year old.
Zero Hedge article itself doesn't even seem to realize that.
It seems to think that this is a current article.
alex jones
Who are these people?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
How does this happen?
dan friesen
I took from the tone of the Zero Hedge article that it simultaneously believed it to be in the past and current.
jordan holmes
A powerful ability to manipulate time.
dan friesen
It's worth noting also that the underlying article itself never says that inflation is your fault.
That was never the argument that was being made.
That was from the Zero Hedge article, not the Wall Street Journal.
And outside of the headline, the actual article doesn't say you should skip meals.
It's just trash work, both from Alex, Zero Hedge, and whoever wrote that Wall Street Journal headline.
It was click-baity kind of business.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
I don't know if people know, like, if your editor or somebody who's doing the headline is like, yeah.
I'm going to make it seem like your article's different.
That's not good.
That's not good.
dan friesen
It's not, but a lot of times you have no power over that kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
I wouldn't feel good about it.
dan friesen
No, it would be tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has another topic to talk about, although he does spend a fair amount of time on this Wall Street Journal article.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Top news kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Should you be skipping breakfast?
dan friesen
The other article or the other news piece that he has is about the case in Fulton County.
Sure.
And Fannie Willis.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
But the first thing I wanted to get into is Fannie Willis and the incredible testimony yesterday, and I guess more of what's coming up today, and we'll be covering it live.
I mean, here is this corrupt prosecutor that hired her boyfriend, lied about it, and then got caught giving him hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, much of it in cash, that he would then go pay for trips in her name.
So, clear money laundering.
dan friesen
So just because I'm sure this is confusing with all the cases that Trump is facing, this has to do with the Fulton County, Georgia criminal case against Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election.
The district attorney in that case is Fannie Willis, and she at one time was in a romantic relationship with a man named Nathan Wade, who she appointed to be the special prosecutor over the case.
Wade received $650,000 in his role, and he paid for some trips with Willis, which is being characterized by Trump's side as a corrupt arrangement where Willis sought to...
Yeah, yeah, of flashy type meme moments.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's been a while since I've seen an event where the exact same information was being experienced in two polar opposite ways.
The same clips of Willis testifying are being shared by people on the left and right, with each clamoring about how the context of the clip is that they're right.
You know, celebrating her on one side and the other people being like, this is complete I think we're all insane.
jordan holmes
I think we're all insane if that's the way people are engaging with this information.
dan friesen
It's weird.
This is very disorienting, but I think at the end of the day, this is more or less nothing too important.
A woman had an unadvisable and possibly inappropriate work relationship.
They probably shouldn't have done that, and there's no evidence that the relationship involved any professional wrongdoing.
And this is the best Trump side could do to try and investigate.
Also, Alex just has basic facts here wrong.
See, so far, that is not true.
Willis and Wade had known each other since 2019, and he was hired as the special prosecutor in 2021, but their personal relationship would not start until after that point in 2022.
There's no romantic relationship, as we've been able to establish at the time of her hiring him.
Alex also said she lied about the hiring, which is not true.
Willis did not respond to a lot of salacious accusations until recently, but there's not a specific thing that Alex is accusing her of lying about that she has, in fact, lied about.
Alex says that she gave him, quote, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, much of it in cash.
That is not true.
He was paid $650,000 for his work as a special prosecutor.
This was not giving him money, and it wasn't transferred in cash.
To the extent that there was any cash, it was Willis repaying Wade for things like a trip to Aruba that he paid for, and then she re-upped him for.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Alex is severely mischaracterizing this.
Pretty much all of the basic details of this story wrong because the goal isn't to discuss things as they are.
The goal is to fudge details so they fit the conclusion that he's going to report no matter what, namely that this is a clear case of money laundering.
And it's strange to watch.
I don't...
jordan holmes
I think it's hilarious.
I mean, I'm sorry, but it's one of the funnier things that I've ever...
It made me, like, when I started reading about it, and then her fucking dad was called to testify.
dan friesen
I don't understand why.
jordan holmes
I fucking...
When I was reading about it, I was like, why did I stop doing stand-up?
There's so many fucking...
Like, one...
This dude's dick has got to be the greatest in history.
That guy, and if not, it doesn't matter because it may alter the course of history so much.
And then also, it's got to be hot as shit to be working on a case against the fucking former president.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's fucking hot.
Yeah, why not?
Let's do it!
dan friesen
Well, okay, well, I'm starting to see why you don't do stand-up anymore.
These bits aren't good.
jordan holmes
That's not...
Thanks, that was me having worked on it for months.
unidentified
It felt like you had maybe hit an open mic.
dan friesen
Trying to work some of this out.
Hey, y 'all ever been working on a case against the president?
It's hot!
jordan holmes
If I was doing more than giving premises, man, I would quit.
dan friesen
The issue is, I don't think from everything I can tell that this is going to really alter anything.
I don't think that she's going to be...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, yeah, it's...
unidentified
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, okay.
On the one hand, sure.
You can say, if you are part of prosecuting the former president of the United States who attempted to overthrow said country, maybe, maybe take it super seriously.
To an almost absurd degree.
dan friesen
I think there's cause to be, like, very by the book.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
On the other hand...
It's not affecting anything, so who fucking cares?
It's none of my business.
dan friesen
At least everything that has been brought up has not indicated that there is any reason to think that it's caused any kind of change to how things are done.
jordan holmes
Watch movies about this kind of scenario.
This is a rom-com scenario.
They're actually becoming even better lawyers together.
There was probably some friction at the beginning.
dan friesen
There's even, like, if you read Willis' filing to the court, he even points out that people on Trump's side are dating each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, there isn't inherent...
Conflict of interest or anything inherently wrong here.
It's just a desperate attempt to try and paint some reason why this trial needs to be derailed.
And it doesn't appear to be working, but it is working in as much as creating a lot of bullshit for people like Alex to talk about.
That's probably what the goal is ultimately.
jordan holmes
Totally.
And the problem, of course, the problem is that you, you know, again...
They did nothing wrong.
There's no problems there.
Everything you do is fine.
But in this very specific situation, unfortunately, I am in the position of saying it is reasonable for people to maybe overreact a little bit.
Because, again, this is the guy who tried to overthrow the United States of America.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm an observer.
Totally.
This, to me, does not feel like...
It doesn't feel sensible.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So instead of going too far into this, Alex goes back to the Wall Street Journal article.
alex jones
It's Friday, February 16th, 2024.
And I want to kick the broadcast off with this headline in your face from the Wall Street Journal.
To save money, maybe you should skip breakfast.
And the Atlantic says you should eat beans instead of meat.
Ladies and gentlemen, they are building a giant dystopic system in our faces.
We're about to break it down right now.
This is the Great Reset.
This is the post-industrial world.
This is the depopulation system in our face.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to understand.
This is a year-old Wall Street Journal article with information that is no longer current about commodity prices.
That Atlantic article is even older.
That's from August 2017.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Tip of the spear work being done here.
This is what he wants to lead the show off with.
jordan holmes
We don't know who killed Navalny.
dan friesen
Probably a false flag.
jordan holmes
There's no way of knowing.
I do appreciate...
Here's the problem I have with Alex.
This is awful terribly, of course.
But that Alex is engaging with this in any way other than like...
I could not need a newspaper to tell me to skip breakfast if I'm broke more.
I have skipped so many meals, I didn't need to read anything to tell me that I cannot afford to eat right now.
That was free information.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
I didn't have to spend $1.50, I didn't hear, X-Tree, X-Tree, you can't afford this paper!
unidentified
But again, it is...
dan friesen
It's such a complicated dynamic because the article doesn't say that.
unidentified
I know!
dan friesen
The headline says that.
jordan holmes
It's so weird!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so weird!
dan friesen
And the article even, like, the article is not very long.
It is just a discussion of some prices that have gone up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's also some prices that they list that have gone down.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Like whole bean coffee.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It was a category that had gone down.
It's just...
I don't know.
It feels like there's a better use of time.
jordan holmes
Can I get a slice and a pop for $3.50?
That's really, ultimately, at the end of the day, in my mind, that is, like, survival.
dan friesen
Remember the Dollar Man?
unidentified
How you doing?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying, you know?
Yep.
dan friesen
I used to come back from, like, college classes.
Broke as shit.
I used to live...
With a Taco Bell in between my classes and home.
I lived just off campus.
I would get a bean burrito especial because it was $1.09 or something like that.
There's a corner store right there where I'd get a pack of Camel Lights.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pay and change.
jordan holmes
Ooh, those.
dan friesen
Those were the days.
unidentified
Those change days.
dan friesen
So we get a little more coverage of the Wall Street Journal article.
And this is just disconnected from reality.
I don't really know what else to say.
alex jones
The Wall Street Journal tells readers, to save money, maybe you should skip breakfast.
Now remember...
Cutting off much of the fertilizer, shutting down many of the farms around the world.
This is all good to save the earth from climate change because particularly organic farming is bad.
Factory farming is good.
That's the UN and London Guardian and many other establishment mouthpieces openly saying that.
Of course, this all flies in the face of common sense and reality.
Then separately, the UN comes out and says, oh, hundreds of millions are going to starve to death.
UNICEF needs billions and billions of dollars more because the virus caused a breakdown in food production.
No, the lockdowns that went on for all these years did that.
And now, oh, guess what?
They didn't end when it comes to farms and food production around the world.
In fact, the controls incrementally shutting down that key infrastructure have only intensified.
So imagine the globalist party, the WFUN trillionaire club.
And their slogan is, you will eat the bucks.
You will owe nothing, you will like it.
And you say, that's so dystopic.
They'll never get away with that.
But they are, to some extent, because the public is so incredibly ignorant about the nature of just how evil this plan is.
Because even though they're saying we've broken the social contract, even though they're saying we're shutting down the normal infrastructure and killing oil drilling and gas.
Even though they're shutting off the coal, even though they're saying the West isn't open for business, but it sure is in China and India where their investments are, the public still hasn't wrapped their mind around the fact that this is administrative deindustrialization, which will lead to poverty, crime and death, especially in the third world.
So here's the amazing headline.
Wall Street Journal tells readers who save money, maybe you should skip breakfast.
That's how you save money.
dan friesen
So what is going on?
jordan holmes
That sounds not okay.
That's crazy because it's not what it says.
dan friesen
No, first of all, and Alex is laundering his source.
This isn't even about a Wall Street Journal article.
This is about a Zero Hedge article that's covering a Wall Street Journal article, which he does clarify later.
But he's acting like this year-old article is what he's basing all this stuff on.
The information in it isn't current.
It's not accurate anymore.
All this stuff is nonsense.
The globalists or whatever aren't in favor of factory farming.
Any of this shit.
There's no lockdowns that have existed for all these four years.
What is this?
jordan holmes
To go to give me that whole thing?
To give me that whole fertilizer?
And then to be like...
And here's how you know this headline.
unidentified
Should you save money by skipping breakfast?
jordan holmes
That's unfortunate.
dan friesen
I just was listening to that and I'm like, this is just a barrage of things that are disconnected from anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's like a bad improv show where the suggestion is this Wall Street Journal headline.
jordan holmes
Actually, I was going to ask you a very dark question.
At what point won't we be able to tell if it's Alex or if Alex has created an AI Alex that just allows it?
Because it's like, oh, you can't...
dan friesen
You can't...
Create the weirdness in AI that Alex embodies from time to time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is something about it.
dan friesen
AI would never throw hatchets on Christmas Eve.
There's that kind of stuff.
AI would never say that you get off the airplane and they karate chop you.
jordan holmes
For all the artifacts and all the insanities, there's a very specific type that just can't be recreated.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, I do think that 70% of the time, Alex might as well be AI.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Other times.
jordan holmes
That does not need, yeah, that AI, an AI could have like word saladed that.
dan friesen
He even seems bored.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
Yes, that's what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now, here's a little weirdness.
jordan holmes
What's going on?
alex jones
Just sit back and think about for a moment.
Cogitate, meditate.
jordan holmes
Set it straight.
Came to the conclusion that most of these cats is featherweight.
dan friesen
Masticate.
alex jones
articles in Cosmopolitan about have a baby, go to a satanic temple abortion clinic, and they will sacrifice it with you.
They actually have satanic sponsored.
abortion clinics now where women go to say it's a sacrifice and okay completely over the top they're trolling us no they're getting ready for a post-industrial world and training you to not stand together and training you to be nihilistic and satanic or Oh.
dan friesen
So there was a Cosmo article from November 2023, and this is a part...
It's one part trolling and one part a real clinic.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a telemedicine operation that's based in New Mexico that prescribes things like abortion pills.
Not a place where you can go and have an abortion as a satanic ritual.
jordan holmes
It has to have a religious thing, though, for First Amendment reasons?
dan friesen
Well, we'll get to that in a second.
Gotcha.
But before I tell you that, I should tell you that the name of the clinic is Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So they are trying to fuck with people like Alex just a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's very clear.
dan friesen
And so this article that Alex is citing also literally says, quote, Satanists don't actually worship the devil.
There are no ritual sacrifices or quests for supernatural powers at the Satanic Temple.
Although, ironically, when you think about it, there are sort of rituals and a quest for supernatural powers in Alex's world.
Yeah.
unidentified
That is definitely real for him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So not all reproductive health care advocates agree with this.
Right, right, Alex gets really worked up about the Satanic Temple because they're using the inverse of a lot of his beliefs.
He believes that he's allowed to use his religious beliefs to deprive people of access to things like reproductive care.
Yeah.
So...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
It is interesting that they exist because they are a glaring, like, this is all stupid beacon.
They're a beacon of this is all a waste of everybody's time and life and energy.
A glowing, like, giant sign to the sky that says everything you believe, look at it.
Look at it in the way that you don't want to.
That's us.
Everything, you should ask yourself a lot of questions.
Really, right now, you should be asking yourself questions.
That it doesn't make people do that is kind of amazing.
It's truly kind of an incredible thing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you don't have to ask questions if you just create, like...
They're demons.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Totally.
But I mean, just like in the abstract, like the idea of just being able to sit down with somebody in the quiet and to know that everything that you are saying is also applicable.
Like to just sit there with that information and then to still move forward and say, don't care.
That is incredible.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
That's truly a power.
I don't have it.
dan friesen
Nope.
So Alex talks a little bit more about the Fulton County situation, and he talks about another character in that case that he's really, really writing an interesting story about.
alex jones
We're now into day two of the hearing, where a judge is determining whether Fannie Willis has to step down from a political prosecution of President Trump there in Atlanta, Georgia.
This is a complete meltdown.
We've got clips for meltdowns.
Coming up here in a moment.
But that was on day one.
Right now we are in day two.
And a gentleman named Terrence Bradley that worked with Fannie Willis' boyfriend, Nathan Wade, had signed an affidavit that indeed they did have a relationship, Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade.
Now he's had the lawyers threaten him and claims that he'll be disbarred.
And lose his law license if he doesn't claim all activity that he's ever had in the last, what, four, five, six, seven years with Mr. Nathan Wade is now attorney-client privilege, and so he can't comment on the affidavit.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
You know that, right?
alex jones
They did have a relationship, which they've now been trying to deny.
dan friesen
So Terrence Bradley was expected to provide testimony that Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade had been dating already in 2022.
Like prior to that.
That was what the expectation was on Trump's side.
He was called to the stand and asked about the timeline of Willis and Wade's relationship because he was in contact with Trump's side's lawyer while she was trying to confirm some of these rumors about the relationship.
When Bradley took the stand, he couldn't answer most of the questions because of attorney-client privilege.
That's because he was Nathan Wade's lawyer in his divorce.
So the judge decided eventually that he would speak in private about this.
He wasn't threatened with disbarment if he didn't change some testimony and he didn't sign an affidavit.
jordan holmes
They're just rules of how we do things.
dan friesen
Yeah, Wade and Willis signed affidavits that their relationship started in 2022, which Trump's side was sure that Bradley was going to refute.
Right.
unidentified
Bradley did say that he was concerned that he could be disbarred, but not because of anyone threatening him.
dan friesen
His fear was that that was what could happen if he violated attorney-client privilege by answering some of the questions.
he was being asked by Trump's side.
And his lawyers did advise him that this might be protected.
And whether or not Wade and Willis had a relationship is not what's at issue.
Alex is pretending that's at issue.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's whether the relationship started before or after she hired him as a special prosecutor.
dan friesen
Alex seemingly has no grasp on what the actual details of this case are.
And that's because he's not interested in them past the point where they're useful as a way to make excuses for Trump's crimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the end and the beginning of this.
jordan holmes
I think what I find so funny and ironic about all of it is that in no way is any of this at all about the quality of the case against Trump.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It is entirely about whether or not they can convince people that she is trying to get rich off of the trial against Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, and more importantly, can we somehow wiggle out of this on a technicality?
jordan holmes
Which, for people who have just been hit with half a billion dollars worth of go fuck yourself for the type of shit that you are blaming other people for.
dan friesen
And if you read the judges...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ruling on that.
Yeah.
It's staggering.
jordan holmes
It's staggering.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is absurd for them to at all think like, oh, well, this is bad.
Like, fuck you.
All of you can go fuck yourselves.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pun intended.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and that's because...
Owen hosts for a bit, and then we come back to a pre-recorded interview that Alex did with one Lou Dobbs.
And it is so boring.
jordan holmes
And now, Alex Jones.
lou dobbs
The Alex Jones, I might add.
unidentified
Alex, it is great to see you.
lou dobbs
It's been a long while in coming, but we're delighted to have you here and to have a chance to have a little talk.
Your thoughts today on America?
alex jones
Well, I'm glad you raised that up front because you sent me a few questions, but you didn't add that one.
That's what I was going to say.
What is it like when you had the top show in the English-speaking world?
We're not trying to be first place here, but a bigger show than Tucker had on Fox.
When you were on CNN reaching 10 million people a day conservatively predicting 20 years ago, 18 years ago, everything that's happened.
So our job is much easier as patriots that are anti-globalist.
I mean, you pioneered on mainstream media the first person to ever break all this.
So I was going to ask you when you asked me questions, what is it like now to now be here when Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson all sound just like you did 20-something years ago?
lou dobbs
Well, it sounds like music to me because I didn't hear any like voices like mine.
unidentified
Well, I will reserve that.
You were amazing throughout your career.
jordan holmes
Go fucking fuck yourself.
unidentified
You fuck mother fuck!
My hand's off to you.
alex jones
But I was out in the wilderness.
I mean, I was out in the wilderness.
I was a bush leaguer when I was doing it.
Charged right on, and it showed that freedom's popular.
dan friesen
It's just the two of them talking about how great each other are.
jordan holmes
Too late!
God damn it!
dan friesen
You know, I always knew that Lou Dobbs was a bit of a weirdo.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
But I didn't know that he was this far.
Like, he's pretty much just yelling about the Marxist Dems and shit.
Like, ooh, okay.
I'm talking about how great Alex is.
It's either obliviousness or, like, he's...
Really pretty nuts.
He's probably pretty nuts.
jordan holmes
He's pretty nuts, but I mean, yeah.
I'm just more on Alex's team.
In my estimation, if Lou Dobbs is telling me this now, it's too late.
Too late, man.
You should have said something when you could have made a difference.
Now go fuck yourself, Lou Dobbs.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
No, because I know from listening to this, Alex has always had a positive relationship with Lou Dobbs.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Maybe it wasn't a two-way street, necessarily.
But I don't think this is the first time.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that Lou Dobbs could be saying a lot of fun, nice stuff about Alex on CNN.
CNN.
dan friesen
CNN.
jordan holmes
CNN!
But he didn't.
He didn't!
dan friesen
Maybe he did, in code.
See, it's just a boring fucking interview.
And that's the end of it.
An argument could be made that we should have covered an episode that happened where Alex interviewed Brett Weinstein.
Brett Weinstein made his way to Infowars.
jordan holmes
Oh, didn't he?
He was on the Rogan show.
dan friesen
He's making the tour around doing some HIV denialism and stuff.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Now's the time for it.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
And one of the things that I was like, I'm very bored by Brett Weinstein as a person.
I find him difficult to listen to.
Yeah.
One of the reasons that I ended up not covering that is because that's about the sensational headline that there is HIV denialism and shit is ascendant among these ding-dongs.
But that's not different for InfoWars.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Him being on InfoWars...
Saying this stuff is kind of like, yeah, Alex had John Rappaport on as an expert for years, and probably he still shows up in the fourth hour every now and again, if he's not dead.
I have no idea.
But, like, John Rappaport is one of the big figures in HIV denialism, and he's a guy who hypnotized Alex with his neurolinguistic programming and made Alex cry a bunch.
So, like, it's not that shocking in the context of InfoWars.
It's shocking that Brett Weinstein is engaging in it.
But I don't care about Brett Weinstein.
I think he sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I feel like we're...
I think what exists a lot is the, like...
You can't have certain beliefs a la carte, if that makes sense, you know?
So, like, for people who are surprised when this stuff happens...
I get why you're surprised, but what we should realize is you can't have some beliefs a la carte.
So this comes along with other stuff.
dan friesen
Well, it does.
And certainly believing some things and cultivating certain audiences make you more likely to take on these positions.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But then also when you have a position that is almost entirely about being a social contrarian and all this shit.
Eventually, you're going to need to up the stakes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is, unfortunately, kind of the exercise you're seeing.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Now, like, I think one of the big reasons also that I've just, like, I don't feel like it's essential to cover.
I'm happy to bring it up and be like, this happened.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But, like, I don't find...
He's not that important.
Like, if, like...
jordan holmes
I still forget his name every time.
dan friesen
You know, if Tucker comes on...
Then, you know, if they're just doing Infowars shit, it becomes more relevant.
I mean, Bray Weinstein is Bray Weinstein.
jordan holmes
He's just so low on my list of terrible Weinsteins, right?
dan friesen
He's the only reason that we know about him is he got mad that they were being mean to him as a white guy at Evergreen University.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's him.
dan friesen
Yes, that's the only reason.
jordan holmes
I keep forgetting that his origin story is fucking nothing.
dan friesen
And because his brother works for Peter Thiel.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, I mean, his origin story is fucking...
Weak sauce.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're nothing to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I understand he's cultivated something of an audience and what have you, but I just don't.
I wasn't drawn to it.
jordan holmes
I can't.
You know, there's a lot of audiences that I just can't understand.
And it's not Weinstein.
I understand Weinstein.
I don't understand why you would...
Be attracted to him.
dan friesen
It does seem strange.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense to me.
dan friesen
No.
He's not like...
With Alex, it even makes a little bit more sense to be drawn to him.
No, of course!
He has an emotionally resonant and visceral performance in a lot of things he says.
Now, granted, I guess you could be drawn to the certainty with which something like Brett Weinstein talks, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
Don't ask me.
dan friesen
He's dull.
Anyway, Alex swears he'll be back in studio on Sunday, which is when we're recording.
So, you know, maybe we won't have any Owen for, you know, gumming up the works for a bit.
jordan holmes
It'd be nice.
dan friesen
But we'll see.
We'll be back in another episode.
Maybe Alex will...
Expand on his ideas about the false flag Navalny killing in the future?
jordan holmes
Has there been any movement on Owen having gone to jail heroically?
Or is it just like, it never happened?
dan friesen
No, but actually, I was looking, well, I don't know, I haven't watched his shows.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But like, I was looking through the, you know, the war room and their numbers.
And there's a giant spike when he gets out of prison.
unidentified
Right!
dan friesen
And it lasts a very short time before it goes back to sort of normal numbers.
And while we're on the subject, remember when Alex was like, Owen's about to be on Tucker?
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Did that happen?
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
You have got to have zero talent to not be able to keep at least a little bit of that from going to jail?
Fucking Johnny Cash went to jail and never looked back.
dan friesen
So I don't know, but we'll see what happens in the future.
Owen should, he should brag about like, he should have gotten like a teardrop tattoo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, something.
dan friesen
Should have had some kind of new prison mentality.
Some sort of, some signifier that he's been through it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, here's the problem, alright?
They know it's a show.
They know they're doing a show.
And they know they're not real.
But they refuse to act like showmen.
Sometimes, and that just makes me so mad.
dan friesen
I think because...
I don't know.
I think part of the reason is because it might be bad for the brand.
unidentified
But at the same time, I was a political prisoner thing.
jordan holmes
It fits within your character.
It shows growth.
It is a literal time stamp, so it allows you to know that things have passed.
It's a great move all across the board.
dan friesen
Maybe he is doing it, and we just don't know because we don't watch his show.
Possible.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's just so bad we don't even notice.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll see him on Tucker soon.
But we'll be back.
Until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's KnowledgeFight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
I'm Ski-Doo-Boo-Boo-Boo-Boo-Boo-Boo-Boo-Boo.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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