#891: April 2-5, 2004
In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to find Alex covering the most important issues of the day, including an angry divorcee in Alabama putting up signs in his yard and some guy in Oregon stealing a chicken.
Jan. 22, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
|
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I love you. | |
| Hey everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is I have heard the voice of the people. | ||
| You've heard the voice of the people? | ||
|
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All the people? | |
| I have listened to feedback and criticism. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I have reformatted my coverage of Alex's book, The Great Reset, into a PDF that is downloadable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Look, I was a little defensive about it in the immediate aftermath. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Because it was a huge undertaking. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But putting it on subsequent pages on a website was a very bad idea for how to lay things out. | ||
| It can be. | ||
| And so I have corrected that and it is now in a PDF. | ||
| If you go to alexjonesisanidiot.com, it is all there. | ||
| And you can download it. | ||
| I believe you can load it into an e-reader, even, I don't know, whatever you can do with PDFs. | ||
| Oh, you can do it all. | ||
| So yeah, that's there. | ||
| And it's a relief because that was hanging over my head a little bit of like a... | ||
| I want the information to be accessible to people, and this is obviously not the way to have done it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But yeah, I think in the future, I've figured out how to do it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is to say I figured out how to make a PDF, which is great, at almost 40. I think it's interesting that you've been putting Excel on your resume for all these years. | ||
| I think I probably have. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So many things I put on my resume unchallenged. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It never came up. | ||
| Until you need them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Man, that would really be useful right now, that thing I said I could do all these years. | ||
| Turns out I can't. | ||
| Turns out. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is another year wrapped up Games Done Quick marathon. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| I had planned a joke where my bright spot was going to be the awesome Games Done Quick because I knew it was going to be yours and I was going to steal it from you. | ||
| You chunked it. | ||
| You chunked it. | ||
| You had to get too excited about that thing that you created that I think is really great. | ||
| Well, alright. | ||
| So what was your high point of the games? | ||
| Oh, there were some great runs. | ||
| I mean, one of them, there was a dog. | ||
| A dog did a run. | ||
| A dog played a game. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He got trained his dog. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was a game about sleepwalking. | ||
| It was like the dog. | ||
| But anyways, the dog pressed the button, and then it unpressed the button. | ||
| Eh, it's a cetera. | ||
| You get it. | ||
| It's not really much of a game. | ||
| My favorite, though, was... | ||
| Somebody had hooked up a drum set, a drum kit midi style to Super Mario 64. Okay. | ||
| So they were playing the game through the drums. | ||
| How do you do directions? | ||
| So that was the idea. | ||
| So there was a north, south, you know, that kind of thing on all of the toms. | ||
| So then you keep moving forward. | ||
| You have to roll to keep moving forward. | ||
| And then he had a thing he could hit so it would contain his momentum. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Then he had a jump button. | ||
| He had a whole thing. | ||
| In order to spin Bowser around, he had to do full spin rolls. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| Did he beat the game? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He beat the game. | ||
| That would be exhausting. | ||
| It took like a half hour. | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
| That's the best cardio. | ||
| Yeah, it was amazing. | ||
| I watched somebody. | ||
| I think I had a... | ||
| It was recommended on YouTube. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure why. | ||
| I had a marble game. | ||
| Marble Madness. | ||
| Marble Madness. | ||
| I have a vague memory of that. | ||
| From, like, old Nintendo. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Maybe not. | ||
| Maybe it's just very similar to games that I played on Nintendo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I was like, I'll check this out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's very boring. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just people, like, marble physics. | ||
| It does happen. | ||
| That can backfire. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, hey, they raised money for charities. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Yeah, they raised 2.5 plus million dollars this year, I think. | ||
| Not too bad. | ||
| Not too bad. | ||
| But I think what's cool about that, far greater than any of that. | ||
| Because, you know, cancer's a disease and we all die no matter what. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But what we don't have to deal with is people who deny human rights. | ||
| And one of the constant refrains to the point that you cannot escape it is that trans rights are human rights. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they always make sure to fucking go hard on that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, super cool. | ||
| That's good. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Good for them. | ||
| Good folk. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I decided... | ||
| Fuck this noise. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| I'm going to the past. | ||
| I genuinely don't need to know the next part of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tired of the present. | ||
| Going to the past. | ||
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Good. | |
| So today we're going to be talking about April 2nd through 5th, 2004. | ||
| And that's a Friday and a Monday, so it's not really that much. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| A huge stretch of a time. | ||
| But, man, man, oh man. | ||
| What fun. | ||
| I mean, comparatively. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, there's actually some interesting things that go down on this episode, and I'm thrilled to discuss them. | ||
| But until we get to that... | ||
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Ooh, shit. | |
| Let's say hello to some new wonks, Jordan. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| Because my mouth ain't working. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, my name is Nick, and I come from sports. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I come from sports! | ||
| I do think that might be your greatest contribution to the public space. | ||
| I come from sports! | ||
| Next, if you trust me, my name to read was Balls, Balls, Balls. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're not a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| You were supposed to do that in a voice. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Is it a reference? | ||
| Oh, did I forget to... | ||
| You didn't put a voice in there. | ||
| A voice note. | ||
| I think you were supposed to do it in like a circus announcer's voice. | ||
| I guess I just made you say balls, balls, balls for no reason. | ||
| And a weird fucking silence after the name. | ||
|
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Weird energy thing. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyways, it's all good. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| So next, Alex Jones graduated from my mother-in-law's College of Revisionist History. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Archbishop Archie of the Archdiocese of Arches. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You can't catch me. | ||
| You can't fuck me up with those arches. | ||
| I think I'm going to tongue twist. | ||
| And Kristen Ursein Enthusiast. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You almost got me. | ||
| I know you got me. | ||
| Ursein Enthusiast. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Pleased Dan. | ||
| Sing as much of One Night in Bangkok you can remember because it's a banger and I love chess. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
|
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| I think I've sung about enough of it, as much of it as I remember. | ||
| I think I've sung all the lyrics that I remember. | ||
| I think you have, yeah. | ||
| I think I imagine so. | ||
| I gotta find another Murray Head song to just, like, pretend to like or something. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, yeah, I think got to is strong. | ||
| Can. | ||
| Could. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| When you have time, maybe. | ||
| I feel like got to suggest a level of urgency that maybe it doesn't require. | ||
| Do you think it's a good character choice for me to just insist that I really love that song, The King of Wishful Thinking? | ||
| Do I think it's a good character choice? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Let me give you two choices. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| King of Wishful Thinking. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Or Mandolin Rain. | ||
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Listen to the Mandolin Rain! | |
| Or... | ||
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I'll get over you. | |
| I know I will. | ||
| I'm going to have to go with Mandolin Rain. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| So, Jordan, like I said, today we have an episode. | ||
| We're in the past. | ||
| There will be some interesting things to talk about, some stupid things. | ||
| But first, here is an Out of Context drop. | ||
| I would have heard that our son... | ||
| He has another son. | ||
| He would've. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| There's a part we're not going to listen to at all where Alex gets really mad at a guy for not giving specifics about how there's another son that's going to crash into the Earth. | ||
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Oh! | |
| I was in my head being like, alright, secret families. | ||
| Why is there a conspiracy about Rex having his own secret family? | ||
| No, Rex would've been a youngin' at this point. | ||
| Too young, too young, gotcha. | ||
| This is a solar system issue. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| This is a solar system issue. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So we start off here and we dive in, see what Alex is concerned about on April 2nd, 2004. | ||
| Two years ago, I told you that I saw Governor Ridge, even before Homeland Security got funding in late 2002, on C-SPAN with a whole bunch of corporate chieftains. | ||
| Two-hour press conference or meeting, and I taped it. | ||
| Got it in the big stacks here. | ||
| Someday I hope to put a clip of it in a video. | ||
| And Governor Ridge said to have a job, your ID card, your national ID card through the driver's license will have your four levels of security clearance. | ||
| You'll have to be federal approved to have a job anywhere. | ||
| And with the new national sales tax, that will bring federal enforcement into every business as the overseers. | ||
| Well, the Washington Times reported on this five days ago. | ||
| And I just learned of it, and I have the article. | ||
| So you can tune in here and hear it two years before, or you can just read the mainstream media and find out later. | ||
| It says, if you're on the list, no job for you. | ||
| That's the headline. | ||
| And if you end up getting on the list, how do you do that? | ||
| Well, bad credit. | ||
| You go from a green to a yellow, and you have to go... | ||
| Work off the debts to be able to get a job. | ||
| I mean, the government's going to have the new national civilian draft to work domestically for them. | ||
| In environmental land-grabbing programs, gun-grabbing, Stasi title-tail squads, it's all been announced. | ||
| It's all been announced. | ||
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It's all been announced. | |
| Yeah, it's all happening. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| None of that is happening. | ||
| How many colors do you need for a system like this? | ||
| You know, you go from green to yellow. | ||
| He's imagining the terrorism watch color-coded index. | ||
| But I mean, in a practical sense, if we're setting up this system... | ||
| How many colors would we need on the color wheel of how much debt you have? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I think it's any, or it would be just black and white. | ||
| Any debt or none? | ||
| Any or none. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| You're in the red or the black? | ||
| You got debt, can't get a job. | ||
| The Washington Times article that Alex is talking about is actually about the, if you have people who hire things for positions in infrastructure-critical roles, there is a database that they can check people who apply for those jobs on to see if they have any flags that come up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's what they're talking about. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's kind of a misrepresentation. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So there's a couple of very important things that happen on this stretch of episodes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we're about to be introduced to the first one here. | ||
| This is out of WAFF, Huntsville, Decatur, Shoals. | ||
| Covers three large towns in Alabama. | ||
| And a veteran, no criminal record, was tired of the corruption. | ||
| He put a nice little small sign in his yard, didn't violate any zoning laws out in the country. | ||
| And there's a picture of the sign on Infowars.com. | ||
| We have a link to WAFF, and it's got photos and documents there. | ||
| Our court system is a joke. | ||
| That's all it said. | ||
| And I have the judge's ruling here. | ||
| He said this is a direct disrespect and direct contempt of all courts. | ||
| I feel divorced somewhere in this one. | ||
| And then he ordered the county to arrest him immediately. | ||
| And he was arrested and put in shackles in a 4x6 cell and left shackled, a form of torture. | ||
| And the gentleman who we're going to get on the show said, you know what, I'm going to stay here forever. | ||
| And there was such a public outcry, if it had been California and New York, it probably wouldn't have been, that the court apologized in releasing. | ||
| But see, this is what's scary. | ||
| They and their power trip, and their compulsive, aggressive garbage, just, that was their instinct. | ||
| Arrest that man! | ||
| Folks, that's England pre-Magna Carta. | ||
| That's Nazi Germany. | ||
| That's Russia. | ||
| So Alex is playing a little fast and loose with some details on this story. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like he's not naming the person who put up the sign, which makes it more difficult if you're just listening to this to check up on it. | ||
| What's the story here? | ||
| I got bad vibes. | ||
| So here's what's going on. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Your instincts are pretty sharp. | ||
| I just, you know, sometimes you just hear divorce in something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So this has to do with a fella named Philip Dean who had just gone through a particularly nasty divorce in which his ex-wife got custody of their kids. | ||
| So, it is true that he posted a sign on his yard that said, quote, our court system is a joke. | ||
| But what Alex fails to mention is that there were three other signs. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| One said, quote, Judge Harrelson said my minor children 13 and 15 need to be with her mother even though she let them smoke pot, take drugs, and run wild. | ||
| That's a lot for a sign. | ||
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All right, so this is a little bit like Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, but a little bit different. | |
| You know I don't know movies. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| The third said, quote, this tells my kids it's okay to do drugs. | ||
| And the last, quote, we wonder why so many kids are on drugs. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The judge found out about these signs and considered them contempt of court. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And he had a sheriff bring Philip in where he was held for about 26 hours before appearing for the judge and being released and he got an apology for the whole mess. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The judge is a whiny little baby and he can cram it up his butt. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You're a whiny little baby and you can cram it up your butt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, this one is a whole big mess because on some very basic aspects, I agree with the underlying point that Alex is trying to make, which is that it's wrong that this guy got arrested for putting up a yard sign. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I just can't sign up for the way that Alex plays games with the information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you present the image that the guy was just a concerned citizen and put one sign up saying the courts are a joke, then he was arrested, it seems comically tyrannical. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| However, if you present the story with all its details, like how he was embroiled in a nasty divorce and custody battle, how there were four-yard signs, one of which directly named the judge, you get a slightly different picture. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If you consult the relevant information and read up on his later unsuccessful attempts to sue the officers who arrested him, you come away with the impression that Philip Dean is kind of an asshole. | ||
| Right. | ||
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He sucks, but that does not mean that he should have been arrested for something that's more or less his free speech. | |
| Right. | ||
| he needs to paint this guy as like a blameless hero who's just sick of the corruption. | ||
| He might be just like you, random InfoWars listener, sick of the corruption to the point where he decided to take action by putting up a single innocent sign. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But the state was too threatened by this that they had to illegally crush this dissent, small as it may have been. | |
| It's an oversimplification that I think hurts the audience's ability to engage with the story as it actually is in the real world. | ||
| You can have figures that you stand by because of principle, but who suck. | ||
| Not everyone has to be a blameless hero in order for you to have their back, but I suspect that that nuance is difficult for Alex's brand of narrative to cope with. | ||
| Like, you have to deal with this guy kind of sucks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why does he kind of suck? | ||
| I mean, I think it's kind of fascinating. | ||
| That level of small-town dickery that Alex just won't... | ||
| Won't really acknowledge is a serious issue. | ||
| It has to be part of the grand conspiracy. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Sometimes, that guy's just a dick. | ||
| I think everybody so far involved in this story is an asshole. | ||
| The judge is an asshole. | ||
| The cop, why are you just doing what a judge tells you to do? | ||
| That's asshole shit. | ||
| The guy who put up signs, what are you doing putting up signs? | ||
| You're an asshole. | ||
| All of this is asshole shit. | ||
| It's interesting to me too because it is such small town as shit that anybody driving by there I'd be like, ooh, Phil got a bad divorce. | ||
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Even you hearing basic details of the story could tell. | |
| If you drove by, it's on the side. | ||
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You'd be like, ooh, that guy is divorced. | |
| That's rough. | ||
| Yeah, there is that. | ||
| So this will become a major focus of the next couple days of Alex's show. | ||
| So there's some other stories about police corruption. | ||
| And this one, I thought, it revealed something very interesting. | ||
| Alex is talking about some police officers in Miami that got... | ||
| And so here's how Alex discusses this. | ||
| Miami cops found guilty in gun planting conspiracy, closing a chapter in the city's biggest police corruption scandal in decades, the Sun Sentinel. | ||
| A federal grand jury, federal jury, excuse me, convicted three Miami police officers Thursday of conspiring to cover up questionable shootings by lying about guns planted near suspects' bodies. | ||
| Lieutenant Israel Izzy Gonzalez, Sergeant Jose Pepe, that's his name, Plinterio, and Officer Jorge, nicknamed Termite Garcia, showed no emotion as the jury returned its verdict after days of contentious deliberations and... | ||
| A dismissed juror who disagreed with the majority said she was told by another juror, go back to Cuba. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh, well, that's my race. | ||
| I can't convict them. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Wow. | ||
| So these specific cops were pieces of shit, and they planted evidence to justify things like a 1997 shooting of an unhoused person who the officer thought had a gun, but it turned out it was a Walkman. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In order to cover that up, they planted a.45 caliber handgun on the guy. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| He could afford it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what I find more important is Alex's very clear racism at the end of that clip. | ||
| In the course of the trial, a member of the jury who would go on to be dismissed It would be insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So she very well may have just not reached the point of being beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence that was presented. | ||
| But the racist comment that she was subjected to paints her disagreement as being based in an unwillingness to say any Hispanic person is guilty of anything. | ||
| Yeah, maybe she's a Blue Lives Matter lady, you know? | ||
| When Alex reads that someone said this to her, he doesn't think, wow, that's a shitty thing to say to someone who's clearly a U.S. citizen since they're on a jury. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Instead, he takes on the thinking of the racist harasser. | ||
| And reports it to his audience that this is the mentality that that woman had, that she could never convict someone of her own race. | ||
| It's about time somebody said what we're all thinking. | ||
| That is quite simply Alex's racism popping out. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He does a good job of not throwing around slurs, but if you pay attention to the framing around stories that deal with race, or you notice these little throwaway moments, it's really clear. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The picture is... | ||
| Full display. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If you're playing first-person video games where you can jump into whose point of view is who, Alex is always in the point of view of the person who's like, racism's right. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's a good call. | ||
| I'm more comfortable playing this character. | ||
| So Alex goes to calls. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I will say that not a lot happens on the second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's the expectation that the guy who put up that sign is going to show up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he doesn't. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| There's a little bit of treading water that goes on. | ||
| Heather in Colorado, welcome to the Airwaves. | ||
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Yeah, hi, Alex Jones. | |
| Yeah, I've been trying to get your documentaries on DVD, and I've been mailed two defective ones. | ||
| And I've been trying to call your customer service. | ||
| Well, you've certainly heard everybody else that... | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| Take me back! | ||
| I don't know, there's hundreds of different types of DVD players. | ||
| And in some of them, they don't work. | ||
| Like I go to Blockbuster Video, and I'd say one out of 20 DVDs I get doesn't work on my Sony player. | ||
| You say you've been sent them repeatedly, so we are responding and sending it to you. | ||
| Unfortunately, I can't handle customer service here, but we will send you a VHS, or we'll refund your money if your DVD isn't working. | ||
| Which would you like? | ||
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I guess I'd rather just take the VHS because the DVDs aren't working for us. | |
| Well, you say you had a problem once. | ||
| And we sent you another one. | ||
| So, what I'm going to ask you to do, this is a byproduct of not screening calls, and it's fine, but I just can't do it on a radio show. | ||
| We did send you another one, and that's good of us, because that's good of you to get it. | ||
| But now your DVD player doesn't read a DVD 9. Because it's almost three hours long, some DVDs can't read it. | ||
| We will send you a VHS. | ||
| We put you on hold and get your number, and I'll handle customer service during the break. | ||
| This is quaint. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I like Alex's ability to deal with that. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| You know, like, it's an inconvenience. | ||
| This is not what the show is for. | ||
| No, not supposed to be. | ||
| He's able to not blow up on her, which is pretty nice. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's pretty unusual for him based on who we know him to be in the present. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is just a different time back then. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| You know, it was a different time. | ||
| I do love... | ||
| First of all, the mysteriousness of DVD players. | ||
| Like, this is the first Fast and Furious movie. | ||
| Is there an exotic commodity? | ||
| It is exciting. | ||
| Do you want a VHS is not something I expected to hear today. | ||
| But then, I also love the repeated instance on getting her to acknowledge that we did send you another one. | ||
| We did. | ||
| Our customer service is pretty great. | ||
| We sent you two DVDs. | ||
| That cost us $4 to burn. | ||
| So this will be the first of two. | ||
| Two frustrating phone calls that Alex gets. | ||
| But this one, this next call is actually on topic. | ||
| Barney in Maryland, go ahead. | ||
|
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Yeah, Alex, pertaining to the man arrested for erected design, contempt the court may apply in a courtroom, but the First Amendment applies everywhere else. | |
| He was involved in the judge's court. | ||
| He just said our courts are a joke, and the judge thinks that he, you know, everywhere... | ||
| In the county is God, and you've got to lick his boots. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Come on, Barney. | ||
| So the judge in this case's actions were reviewed, and he was advised to be more careful in the future, but face no formal punishment. | ||
| Yeah, fuck that. | ||
| Lawsuits filed by Philip have all failed on the merits in this case. | ||
| Also, you can tell by this conversation that these guys are having that they either don't know the facts of the case, or they're just lying about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is saying that he had nothing to do with this judge's court, when, in fact, the judge had presided over his custody hearings, and the judge's name was on Philip's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why would Alex want to obscure that information? | ||
| Is it possible that he doesn't know? | ||
| Has he not read that deeply into paragraph three of any story about this? | ||
| I think maybe that's the stuff you leave off. | ||
| I think it might be. | ||
| I think because then the narrative... | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| It's not because it changes the hero or the villain here. | ||
| It's because if you're listening from the point of view of an Alex Jones listener circa early thousands, right? | ||
| Then your point of view changes not from, oh, this is government overreach, to this judge is a whiny loser, he should have challenged that man to a fight, fisticuffs would have solved these problems. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Put my name on a billboard, we fight, the name comes off! | ||
| Or it stays on, and then we know. | ||
| You know you're in trouble when a judge takes off his robe. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| That's what I'm saying! | ||
| If you can't do that, then you fucking eat it, because you get to wear the robe. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly if that's why you would obscure those details. | ||
| I'm not saying that's exactly why. | ||
| But that could be one of the reasons. | ||
| There's possibilities there. | ||
| So Alex gets another caller. | ||
| And if you think VHSs are quaint... | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Let's talk to Bill in Oregon. | ||
| Bill, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
|
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Alex, first of all, I just want to say you're a damn good man. | |
| And I appreciate you being here. | ||
| Just do me okay. | ||
| We have a lot of children listening, and I don't even want you to know. | ||
|
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All right, I'm sorry. | |
| I apologize. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| We have a lot of homeschooling listening. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I like scolded him for saying damn. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Every time I hear that, I'm like, what? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Smash cut to the present day where Alex is screaming about demons pissing in your face. | ||
| I am getting very furious with time. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| It passes and things change, and I don't always like the difference between the two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You hope that time is largely a progression of growth, and a progression as opposed to a deterioration. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's why it's frustrating, because we were watching a deterioration of a person. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| We're going back to a time when he was more capable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, I mean, look, I think it's silly to scold people for saying damn on air or something like that, but at least it's in line with his puritanicalness. | ||
| He doesn't live up to it himself. | ||
| No. | ||
| Do as I say, not as I do, my friend. | ||
| Look, if you have callers that you're presiding over, you're kind of like a judge who can arrest someone for putting up a billboard. | ||
| You can just arbitrarily scold them for saying damn on your show. | ||
|
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I mean, you could call it policing, if you will. | |
| So, Alex talks a little bit more about this Alabama billboard situation. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Alright, your calls are coming up here. | ||
| In just a few minutes, I wanted to recap this story because it's so outrageous. | ||
| We can't just graze or glaze over this, as they say. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| WAFF, and we even found some other articles on this. | ||
| You can look through them all. | ||
| Up to his ears and legal documents, Philip Dean is fed up with the judicial system. | ||
| That's the kind of court system we've got in Jackson County, Alabama, and I want everybody to know what Dean says. | ||
| So he put a sign in his front lawn saying, quote, Our court system is a joke. | ||
| Little bitty, looks like a political sign. | ||
| Little bitty? | ||
| Maybe you're going a little over the top here. | ||
| Got a bunch of photos here. | ||
| A message landing him behind bars. | ||
| He's just not dealing with the facts of the story. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, and it's glaring. | ||
| It's so much funnier. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Well, because if you deal with the reality of the story that is somewhat funny, you don't get to use it the way that Alex does. | ||
| About like, hey, you're next. | ||
| Person who speaks up against the globalists, be scared. | ||
| Give me money. | ||
| Buy my books. | ||
| I mean, you know, now I really think it is, like, I don't want to go back in time and stop the show. | ||
| I want to go back in time and make the show better. | ||
| You know, like, if it was legit funny, if early on Alex was rewarded for being good at learning things or being funny or expressing talent in any way other than the ability to just fucking talk. | ||
| No, I'd probably go the same way. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| So we get another caller. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she's found a book. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's not good! | ||
| This book is an arcane book full of mysteries and demons. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| Now let's go back to the calls. | ||
| Go ask Alice. | ||
| Amy in Texas, go ahead. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello? | |
| Anne, go ahead. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, hi. | |
| Anne. | ||
|
unidentified
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Not Alice. | |
| I am calling because I found a 1903 book. | ||
| From the Masons, and there are four pictures in it, four different illustrations. | ||
| One of them is a skeleton wearing a fez, and everyone wearing the fez is stepping on, it's like people, and there are these demons with clips and scepters, and there are people being decapitated, ones being... | ||
| One's hanged, one is being sawed into. | ||
| And the people who are doing this are all wearing the fez. | ||
| Yeah, the red little fez they wear at children's events symbolizes the murder of Christians by the Muslims. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's extreme. | ||
| Jordan is absolutely losing it. | ||
| had to take off his glasses. | ||
| My goodness, they're all wearing a fez. | ||
| All the skeletons all running around wearing a fez. | ||
|
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I just, oh man, oh boy. | |
| And did you know the fez is a symbol of Muslims killing Christians? | ||
| If you have to call Alex Jones and say, there are these skeletons with fezes on them, should I be concerned? | ||
| In this 1903 book that I found. | ||
| Skeletons with fezes on them, eh? | ||
| So Alex takes this information about the skeleton fezes, and then he transitions this into talking about, remember... | ||
| We covered this on a 2004 episode a little bit ago when there was, in Long Island, they had a Masonic Lodge initiation. | ||
| Yes, yes, I recall. | ||
| The guy got shot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Alex made a big deal out of that. | ||
| Oh, I recall. | ||
| He brings that back into the conversation thanks to these Fez-wearing skeletons. | ||
| Boy, I mean, I despise the impetus, but I'm glad to see it come back. | ||
| He has a Rolodex. | ||
| He's able to pull things out of a Rolodex decently well at this point. | ||
| Remember three weeks ago in Long Island, they blew the guy's head off in a Masonic ritual? | ||
|
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That's a lot like a skeleton with a fez. | |
| They're all wearing fezes. | ||
| Black altars and fezes. | ||
| Conspiracies are not as threatening with fezes. | ||
| $2,200 bail. | ||
| That's how they get you. | ||
| And then we found a track record of them accidentally blowing people's heads off in these rituals, and it's always an accident when the Mason cops arrive. | ||
|
unidentified
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Very serious. | |
| And all the Masons are into this. | ||
| It's the higher-level ones, and it's been taken over by the Illuminati. | ||
| According to George Washington, it wasn't always like this. | ||
| George Washington went public against it. | ||
| John Quincy Adams and others. | ||
| And Skull and Bones is a higher level of this. | ||
| They get in coffins. | ||
| I'm not going to say the prayer on air. | ||
| It's very blasphemous. | ||
| They asked Lucifer, who they call God, Hey, Satan. | ||
| Love you, bud. | ||
| The slaves, the profane, the neophytes. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, the picture is full of dragons and demons. | |
| Are you fucking with me, lady? | ||
| They, for hours, just continually chant, Lucifer, enter me. | ||
| What about the dragons? | ||
| What are we doing here, folks? | ||
| Most our Christian conservative leaders are part of this, and this is very Christian, and I'm not Christian because I'm against it. | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, anyway, I wanted to tell you about the pictures because they were very shocking. | |
| They were shocking. | ||
| Skeletons with Fez. | ||
| Ah, wow. | ||
| Dragons without Fezes. | ||
| That was a ride. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That was a ride. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| And it's not over. | ||
| I had a great time, but I'm excited to see where it goes from here. | ||
| We have a sort of denouement of the call. | ||
| Yeah, what book is this particular that you have? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
|
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It's called The History of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine. | |
| It was written in 1903, and a letter in the front is from, they'll call themselves nobles. | ||
| Anyway, nobles... | ||
| Yeah, do me a favor. | ||
| Will you Xerox copy and color the cover and then the inside pages and mail that to me? | ||
| The cover, the published date, and those pictures, because... | ||
| Just for folks that just joined us to think I make stuff up, you notice I said that this is the Arabic branch, but this is white guys. | ||
| This has nothing to do with Arabs. | ||
| This is the Arabic branch of the higher rights, and you notice I said that, and then you just said the Arabic order. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yes, I'll get that to you today. | |
| Yeah, please, please do it. | ||
| And that's the slaughter of the Christians. | ||
| Celebrating! | ||
| Oh, how they love it when they come to the schools to register your children with the face scans and thumb scans, and they smile with the little red herring fizzles, though. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hi! | |
| We're your friends! | ||
| Give us your firearms! | ||
| Soon we'll be in total control! | ||
| Alright. | ||
|
unidentified
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Soon we'll arrest anyone that criticizes us, and our blood will flow! | |
| Who says it's stupid? | ||
| We are almost in total control of you! | ||
| That's what they're really like, okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hope that scares you, because you should be concerned. | ||
| I'm not scared. | ||
| No amount of voices are going to make me scared of the fucking Shriners. | ||
| That's who he's talking about. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Furthermore, furthermore... | ||
| This woman called you because skeletons were wearing fezes in a book. | ||
| She doesn't need help being scared. | ||
| She doesn't need your assistance. | ||
| That book has a sort of ominous name, but it's just the history of the Shriners, which explains the fezes. | ||
| They all wear fezes. | ||
| It was a cute impression that Alex did, but in the real world, the biggest impact they have is opening children's hospitals and driving around in funny cars that are too small. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'll see you at the age of nine! | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'll see you if you'd get your tonsils out. | |
| What are you doing? | ||
| Oh, Christ. | ||
| So, we have one last caller from this April 2nd show. | ||
| And this one's a bit confrontational. | ||
| My printer doesn't work. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not another customer service call. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| It's a bit confrontational about Alex and what he does and does not do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Andy, good to talk to you. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello? | |
| Andrew, whatever your name is. | ||
|
unidentified
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It's Andrew. | |
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hey, Alex, good to talk to you, man. | |
| I've been supporting you for a couple years now. | ||
| You do excellent work. | ||
| I do have a couple of bones to pick with you, though, and I hope you give me a couple minutes to speak about it. | ||
| Basically, a bunch of my friends and I have been supporting you for a couple years now, and we drove up to San Francisco just this last weekend for the international inquiry about 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I kind of feel like you dropped the ball a little bit, man. | ||
| Dropped the ball? | ||
|
unidentified
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That was the general consensus we got from speaking with a lot of the people there. | |
| It was a very powerful... | ||
| A lot of people running around trashing me, huh? | ||
|
unidentified
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No, no. | |
| Actually, a lot of people supporting you, selling your videos and books. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Selling my videos? | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, it was a really good event, actually. | |
| It was very, very powerful. | ||
| I spoke to... | ||
| I don't like where this is going. | ||
|
unidentified
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Phil Berg, I think, the lawyer representing El Mariani. | |
| Ran into him at 4 o 'clock in the morning at a diner. | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| That's when the conference starts. | ||
|
unidentified
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You know, I don't know. | |
| You know what? | ||
| I called them and said, are you going? | ||
| They said they weren't going. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
|
unidentified
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Actually, that was one of the bones I had to take. | |
| You want to know the truth? | ||
|
unidentified
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I've been listening to you for a long time. | |
| A couple months leading up to the inquiry, you were scheduled to be there, and I never once heard you on air mention. | ||
| I want to get into a big thing over this. | ||
| I'm not going to sit there and attack people to put this on. | ||
| Let me just say this. | ||
| You don't normally get invited to something by learning your names on a list. | ||
| Now, that's the end of the discussion. | ||
| Do you have anything else to talk about? | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Can I hold through to the commercial break? | ||
| What do you want to talk about? | ||
|
unidentified
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Just I want to talk about peak oil and some other things. | |
| Yeah, we can talk about that imaginary peak oil situation when we get back. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oof, oof, oof, oof. | |
| Not so pleasant. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So there was a... | ||
| They did this a couple times with COVID, too, and you see this happen periodically, is the conspiracy theorists get together and have a mock trial. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| You know, they did one with Obama, the citizens' impeachment. | ||
| Oh, that's what the thing was? | ||
| It was a mock trial? | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, my God. | |
| They were doing a mock government proceeding about 9-11, and Alex was, I guess, advertised that he was going to be on it or something. | ||
| But here's the thing I don't quite understand about that. | ||
| When he says you don't find out that you're booked to be on something because you find out you're on a list, this implies to me one of two things. | ||
| It can either be that you're on the list of attendees, and that's how you find out, or if you're on a government list and you got on it because of being invited to be on this thing, which would imply that the people who are running it are feds. | ||
| I don't know which he's trying to imply, but it could be either or both. | ||
| I got the vision. | ||
| Imagine you're looking at the Lollapalooza poster. | ||
| And you're like, my band's on there. | ||
| That's the way I got that. | ||
| I would never call that a list. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| I would call it the lineup or something. | ||
| I suppose that's where my mind goes. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense to me. | ||
| Otherwise, if it's on a list, that sounds like a crazy person. | ||
| Like a no-fly list or something. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That sounds like a lunatic. | ||
| Alex is also a little nuts. | ||
| That is a fair point. | ||
| And it's a citizen's international inquiry into 9-11. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying! | ||
| That's why it makes sense to me for him to find out that... | ||
| That's what makes sense to me, is that they're having a stupid mock trial or a thing, and they're like, oh, Alex is going to be there, and he's like, I just... | ||
| I just found out about this when you screamed at me. | ||
| He agreed to do it and forgot. | ||
| That is also entirely possible. | ||
| I don't know exactly what the deal is, but it's nice to hear somebody give Alex the business in a very light way. | ||
| Is there a way we can make all of them just go back to making their fun mock trials? | ||
| No, they were doing it during COVID, and it was awful. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| So they're still doing it. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, God. | |
| No, we need to get them to go back to being scared of skeletons wearing hats. | ||
| Oh, we do. | ||
| We do. | ||
| Maybe that's our problem. | ||
| Maybe we have not weaponized pictures of skeletons wearing fezes. | ||
| We should all be carrying them around. | ||
| Fucking guns? | ||
| No, don't need them. | ||
| They're terrified of pictures of skeletons and fezes. | ||
| Forget about MAGA. | ||
| Maswa. | ||
|
unidentified
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Make America scared of skeletons wearing cats. | |
| It's not perfect. | ||
| And I think it would have to be Masaswa. | ||
| Because you need O in there too. | ||
| I think it's got to be two syllables or we're out. | ||
| So we have the weekend. | ||
| And Alex has simmered. | ||
| And now we're back. | ||
| On the 5th. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On Monday. | ||
| Has that VHS been sent? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| We have no confirmation one way or another. | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| But what I can confirm for you is the guy who made the billboards is going to show up on this episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Very good news. | ||
| So that will be paid off. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, Alex has another guest that he's teasing. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| All right, my friends. | ||
| Here we are live. | ||
| It is another week spanning out before us. | ||
| It's Monday, the 5th day of April 2000. | ||
| And for them, I'm Alex Jones, your host. | ||
| The websites freshly updated are prisonplanet.com and infowars.com. | ||
| We have a huge show coming up today. | ||
| In 30 minutes, the Grammy Award winning, I guess you'd call it Caribbean style jazz band, whatever. | ||
| I mean, pretty mild stuff is going to be joining us. | ||
| They're, again, Grammy Award winning. | ||
| They didn't touch the police, did absolutely nothing. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| What is about to happen? | ||
| That was all caught on video. | ||
| They now charge you with resisting arrest if you don't answer their questions. | ||
| We even have Supreme Court rulings that don't show respect to King Herod or Caesar, yours Interesting thing for the Supreme Court to say. | ||
| That's coming up. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| So what band? | ||
| What band? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| What band? | ||
| Is it 311? | ||
|
unidentified
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I'll never tell. | |
| Is it 311? | ||
| It's gotta be 311. | ||
|
unidentified
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It's not P-Nut. | |
| It's not Nick Hexum. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can't remember the other members. | ||
| You sure it's not 311? | ||
| It's not 311. | ||
| It feels 311. | ||
| Alex hates 311. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Who does it? | ||
| It's Oza Motley. | ||
| Oza Motley. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember Oza Motley? | ||
| Do not remember that. | ||
| Sort of the Afro-Latin, there's a little funk going on. | ||
| They're very, they have a lot of different genre explorations. | ||
| Well, apparently their genre is mild. | ||
| No, I would actually describe them as quite not mild. | ||
| They're fairly political in messaging. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| They did a fair amount of... | ||
| I mostly know them because they did some work with Charlie Tuna from J5. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so that's how I ended up becoming aware of them. | ||
| They did some stuff with some other rappers, too. | ||
|
unidentified
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All right. | |
| It was pretty interesting, like instrumentation along with the rap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know, I found, I don't know a whole lot about Ozumatly, but I always had a positive impression of them. | ||
| Yeah, alright. | ||
| Turns out they've been on InfoWars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Alright. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| So have we talked about Ozumatly at all? | ||
| No, we have not. | ||
| Okay, because Alex has mentioned this incident a couple times. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I was kind of... | ||
| Thinking like, well, this has got to be going somewhere. | ||
| And it turns out where it was going is Oz Motley being on the show. | ||
| I did not see that coming. | ||
| Yeah, so here's what happened. | ||
| The situation. | ||
| It's a huge mess. | ||
| And technically, no one was really fully in the right. | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
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So the band was in Austin for South by Southwest, and on March 18th of this year, they were playing on Sixth Street. | |
| Quite innocently and in good fun, a couple members of the band decided What are you going to say? | ||
| Hey. | ||
| No. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| So an officer tried to step in and tell them to calm it down, and in the process, their drummer, Jiro Yamaguchi, inadvertently hit a cop with a drum. | ||
| All right, well, that's not going to go well. | ||
| He was trying to, like, turn it around. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's very inconvenient to carry. | ||
| It was a fucking Three Stooges... | ||
| Yeah, it begins. | ||
| So this turned into a nasty situation pretty quick, and three Ozumotli members got arrested. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yamaguchi for assaulting an officer and their bassist and manager for failure to obey... | ||
| You think the drummer has a paw? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I do now because it's a Muppet drummer. | ||
| So there were a ton of people recording because this was on 6th Street. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Although I do now want to ask you how many members of the Electric Mayhem you can do. | ||
| I can't do any. | ||
| You can't? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| New Zealand. | ||
| I mean, no, I can't. | ||
| Dr. Teeth. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Not under pressure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, you know, it's on 6th Street during South by Southwest, so there's a bunch of people with cameras around. | ||
| So the reality of the situation came out pretty fast, particularly that the police acted inappropriately and that Yamaguchi wasn't trying to hit this cop with his drum. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All parties reached a compromise where the band members pled no contest to lower-level misdemeanors and everybody went on with their lives. | ||
| Saving a complete embarrassment. | ||
| Yeah, everybody going like, I wish none of us had done any of this. | ||
| So that pleading down and compromising to a no contest thing, that wouldn't happen until July. | ||
| So this episode from April is right in that sweet spot where it looks like the members could be facing felonies. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Even in April, it wasn't a really likely scenario, given the copious amount of evidence on Ozamatli's side. | ||
| But it's really good optics for Alex to exploit, and it's a fairly famous band who will agree to come on his show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so that's big. | ||
| I think, yeah, no, it's a good decision all around on everybody's part, because they should be putting public pressure onto the fucking cops, for sure. | ||
| And I think it was in 2000, I think that year is correct. | ||
| I know it's before this. | ||
| They had played at the DNC. | ||
| So they had a profile. | ||
| They're fairly obscure in maybe some of the mainstreamer circles, but they're not a small band. | ||
| And so the idea of them being on Infowars is pretty... | ||
| Pretty silly. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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All right. | |
| But this incident, and especially it happening in Austin, really is just to that sweet spot. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So we're not actually going to listen to much of their interview when it does happen because it's kind of not that interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Just the fact that it happened is more interesting. | ||
| The story happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's really not much to say other than, like, ah, again, I wish nobody had done any of that. | ||
| And it's almost like them saying, like, well, we've performed in Austin before and done a conga line before. | ||
| It's like, oh, yeah, you had every reason to think it would be okay. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then we shouldn't be facing felonies. | ||
| And then, yeah, you shouldn't be. | ||
| And then you end up not eventually. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's kind of like, meh. | ||
| No, it should be. | ||
| I mean, it's like, literally, here's the interview. | ||
| A reasonable person goes, hey, everybody, we're not doing anything any further. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| And then we move forward. | ||
| And we're done. | ||
| And we're not going to listen to much of that interview because there are very, very serious issues. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mike Dowd for this. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And remember the story Friday out of Alabama in their local newspapers and television stations reporting that a man put a sign up in his yard saying that our court system is a joke and proving that point, the local judge had him arrested and said, disrespect to government is illegal. | ||
| Came out and said, you're not allowed to criticize us. | ||
| This is what they think. | ||
| And sounds unbelievable, but it's actually happening. | ||
| And then we got a call Friday from a listener claiming that in Oregon, he saw a local news story, and I had seen a blurb about it, that a man saved a homeless chicken that lived on the street in front of a grocery store. | ||
| So he got a vicious SWAT team raid and was beat up and is now being charged himself of very serious crimes. | ||
| Again, this is not April Fool's. | ||
| It's April 5th, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We didn't do April Fool's on April 1st. | ||
| This is real news. | ||
| This has really happened. | ||
| So this didn't really happen. | ||
| Can a man not take in a homeless chicken? | ||
| Can a man not do that in America? | ||
| So this is, okay. | ||
| Details are a little bit off here. | ||
| So this is about a guy named Nicholas Gombos. | ||
| He went to a local grocery store called Ray's Food Place and noticed that they had a chicken in a coop. | ||
| He decided that the chicken was sad and being mistreated and that he should take that chicken home. | ||
| However, that chicken was a beloved mascot of Ray's Food Place named Speckles. | ||
| It was named Speckles! | ||
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Speckles! | |
| It was. | ||
| Oh, the man stole speckles! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He probably wasn't a malicious person in this act. | ||
| Maybe just delusional. | ||
| Because after he stole speckles, he bought a hen and a rooster so that none of the birds would be lonely. | ||
| At some point it became known that he was the one who had taken the chicken, so the police contacted him and asked him to give speckles back, which he refused to do. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Things turned a little bit ugly when the police came to his house and wanted to retrieve this stolen chicken, and he threatened them, which led to him going to jail for theft as well as threatening officers. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He didn't get SWAT teamed, and the police didn't beat him up. | ||
| That's all just exaggerations Alex is adding to the story to excite the listeners. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a really dark kind of end to this story. | ||
| Of course there is. | ||
| So in May, after Speckles was returned to Ray's, someone showed up and killed him in the night. | ||
| Speckles? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The guy killed Speckles because if he can't have Speckles, no one can? | ||
| No, I understand why that's a fun story for you to connect dots, but it wasn't him. | ||
| This person killed the chicken in the night and left him in the sidewalk to be discovered in the morning. | ||
| Eventually, an 18-year-old from a neighboring town admitted to doing it, thinking that... | ||
| The chicken was injured and needed to be put out of its misery. | ||
| Or more likely, I mean, if I just had to suspect he was a fucked up kid. | ||
| I mean, what is going on with the people around this fucking grocery store? | ||
| This is something in the water issue. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| Why is this man trying to steal a chicken that's outside of a grocery store? | ||
| I don't care how you feel about this chicken. | ||
| There's a lot of speckled drama. | ||
| Man! | ||
| The stakes on these episodes, though. | ||
| Divorced guy with the billboard. | ||
| Guy who's stealing a chicken. | ||
| I want to go back, Dan. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| And now the guy who steals chickens is going to be the president. | ||
| That's what it's going to be. | ||
| So this guy decided to kidnap a mascot chicken from a grocery store because he thought he could raise it better. | ||
| It's being reported by Alex as a case where the government just oppressed a good Samaritan who wanted to help out a chicken experiencing homelessness. | ||
| This is what we call the Infowars filter, where a real-life story gets turned into complete bullshit designed to make the audience feel like they're under attack. | ||
| What if you just thought you could help this chicken out, but you'd get raided by the swap team and they'd all beat you up? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Here's something that I find interesting in the past. | ||
| It feels like when we go deep into stories in the past, the story is always far more interesting than the bullshit that Alex makes up. | ||
| Generally. | ||
| In the present, though, because he doesn't get those cool stories and he just goes off headlines from, like, regular mainstream media, we don't get to find out the interesting, all of a sudden, this weird divorce guy stories. | ||
| Well, because at this point, Alex is getting his news from, like... | ||
| From weirdos who are divorced! | ||
| Or weird aggregators of stories. | ||
| You know, like, there was FARC that was, like, they had the headline aggregator that you could, like... | ||
| Alex is getting stuff from sites like that. | ||
| And so some of them are fucking... | ||
| Weird nonsense stories. | ||
| But then also, there is a bias that we have, and that is because these stories are so far in the past, we know how they end. | ||
| And so you can see the totality of it, whereas in the present, you're just like, well, here's what's happened so far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Dead internet theory has some very coincidental aspects to it, but man, sometimes whenever you think about like... | ||
| When the internet dies, it'll turn into a skeleton. | ||
| Yeah, with a fez. | ||
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We're going to cut it in half while we wear fezes. | |
| Sounds good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So there's another news story that Alex has on this episode that kind of blew my mind. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll be getting into that. | ||
| Also, a new mainstream article about how the U.S. got Canada into World War II. | ||
| A lot of evidence shows, according to Canadian papers, that the U.S. government shelled a lighthouse to blame it on the Germans. | ||
| And I'm not defending the Nazis here. | ||
| I'm just giving you an historical example of problem, reaction, solution. | ||
| Folks, I rarely see this big of an overload of key stories. | ||
| I'm going to try to just news blitz through all of it. | ||
| So Canada was in World War II well before the United States was. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| They entered the war in September 1939, a good two years before Pearl Harbor, which Alex also thinks is a false flag that the globalists pulled to get the country into war. | ||
| Now, I know that I hear Alex saying that he's not into the Nazis, but man, he sure seems to think that everybody who fought them was tricked into doing it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's strange. | ||
| I just feel like at the time, Canada was closer to England. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were real tight. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| They had some years previous. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They weren't under the king. | ||
| Yeah, and they had made it very clear the parliament would make their decisions. | ||
| We don't do what you tell us to do. | ||
| They weren't necessarily just going to follow the UK into any war. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But in that case, they decided that it was worth... | ||
| And also, we will make sure that ceremonial and nothing happens unless you sign off on it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And, ironically, the Prime Minister back then was named King, which makes it very confusing to read articles. | ||
| Very frustrating. | ||
| Even though the monarch was a queen? | ||
| No, wait. | ||
| Elizabeth wasn't queen in 1939, was she? | ||
| You know, sometimes I feel like, sure, it's not fair, and sure, it's arbitrary. | ||
| But no, you can't have this job because your name is king. | ||
| I understand that maybe he's the best person for the job, but do you know who else is good at the job? | ||
| The second best person, and their name is not king. | ||
| Prince. | ||
| Done. | ||
| See? | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| I thought I was imagining things. | ||
| Elizabeth came into power in 52. Yeah. | ||
| I was like, is it possible that she was queen in 39? | ||
| No. | ||
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I'd believe it. | |
| Which one? | ||
| Well, she was there forever. | ||
| Well, sure, but she wasn't the real queen. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was there a shadow queen? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| We'll talk about that later, because now we have to hear about what happened to Oza Motley. | ||
| Yes, we do. | ||
| Oza Motley, the Grammy Award winning band, and it's not some heavy metal band, it's not Janet Jackson, it's... | ||
| one nipple on tv and the world went fucking insane um band music and caribbean music i mean i'm not the connoisseur sure of music but just a tame band never been in trouble never had any problems and the fire marshal came in and said during south by southwest a few weeks ago you need to get a lot of these people out of the building will you help us and they said sure we'll do a moringa you know i'm I'm sorry, that's the story we're going with? | ||
| I mean, it's a big party down there. | ||
| And then the black ski mask guardians that take good care of us ran up and said, get back in the club. | ||
| They said, okay, tried to turn around and had the police behind them yelling at them. | ||
| And one of the band members had his big drum up above his head, because that's how you get through a crowd, and he's trying to carry it. | ||
| And the police thought that that was threatening and ran in and jumped on him, and then they fell over. | ||
| And this is the new America. | ||
| They assault you on video. | ||
| I mean, that'd be like watching a pro football game and somebody sticks the quarterback after the ball's not in play, and you watch the linebacker break the ribs of the quarterback, blood sprays from the quarterback's mouth, and then the police come and arrest the quarterback and say, you devil, you assaulted them. | ||
| Here, I'll use a sports analogy. | ||
| This is not a good analogy. | ||
| But it's a sports one. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| You're from sports. | ||
| I am from sports. | ||
| You should appreciate it. | ||
| Well, it's a different sport. | ||
| So Alex has the basic gist of the story right here, but he's fudging a few details in order to make it work better for his... | ||
| Oppression-obsessed audience. | ||
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Sure. | |
| First of all, I can find no indication that the fire marshal told Ozo Motley to help get people out of the Exodus Club, which is the name of the bar they're playing at. | ||
| They would likely never be put in that situation, since bars have staff that handles that kind of thing, and they would never need to rely on a band like Pied Piper-ing the crowd out of the building. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Also, in an interview they did with Pitch KC, they said, quote, we always end an Ozo show with a conga line. | ||
| We had gone outside with it when we'd played Austin before, so we didn't know that it would be a problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's kind of part of their thing. | ||
| But Alex has the instinct to heighten stories to increase the level of fuckery going on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not enough that the police outside told them to stop it. | ||
| They needed to only have gone outside because some other agent of the state had told them they needed to. | ||
| This way, Alex can create the impression of a trap being set by the state, where they get you to do something with one hand and then punish you for doing it with the other. | ||
| The other thing Alex is misrepresenting is the issue with the drummer. | ||
| He did hit an officer with his drum, but it was totally an accident. | ||
| Alex is pretending this isn't the case because it makes it easier for him to sell his story when the party you're supposed to be pulling for didn't even do the thing that they're accused of. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's really easy to side with Osamotli and see this as an instance of overzealous police response without rewriting any of the story, and yet Alex does just that. | ||
| There's a couple of reasons he does this. | ||
| The first is just narrative simplicity. | ||
| He wants to make this super easy for the audience to get on board with and not have pesky questions in their head like, why would they do a Congo line out into the streets at 2.30 in the morning? | ||
| There is an interesting question. | ||
| To sidestep any of the possible audience response like that, Alex includes the preemptive answer in the form of the story about the fire marshal imploring them to do the Congo line. | ||
| The other reason is that Alex isn't up to the task of arguing a sticky point. | ||
| If it's possible that the members of the band made some mistakes themselves, it's so much harder for Alex to make his argument because he's lazy. | ||
| They have to have done nothing wrong, and the state oppressed them anyway. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| because these are instances where you can address and deal with reality and still end up with similar conclusions to where Al Yeah. | ||
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These are places where there's a theoretical possibility to find common ground with Alex, but I can't. | |
| Because even if I agree with much of the conclusion that he comes to, the way he got there isn't grounded in reality. | ||
| Yeah, it is like this. | ||
| You know, you think... | ||
| Oh, Alex is at my rally, right? | ||
| Alex is hanging out with me. | ||
| We're all together on this side, not doing that thing. | ||
| But then the longer you're around Alex, the more you're in a Nazi rally. | ||
| And you're like, I didn't even mean to be here. | ||
| I was just talking about the thing. | ||
| And that's kind of how it works, I think. | ||
| It's a process issue. | ||
| You can use the wrong equation and get the right answer sometimes. | ||
| But it's unreliable. | ||
| And I just, I resent it. | ||
| It is fascinating that when you look at these things, like from 2004, it is more common that we come up with a, like, well, yeah, I mean, Alex is saying that it's wrong that they arrested these members of Oza Motley, and like, yep, that's true. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's wrong that they arrested this guy who had to sign up in his yard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's true. | ||
| Still got fundamental disagreements with the way that Alex is covering these stories. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, I think, I mean, ultimately, Alex is anti-government in a situation where, yeah, the government's wrong. | ||
| But now it seems like he's anti-government, but only because the government isn't doing things that are evil. | ||
| You mean in the present day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep, there's something with that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we have another story from the world. | ||
| By the way, in England, ID cards to be compulsory by 08. Tony Blair says after the latest bombs they supposedly found and saved everybody from, the same British government that's been caught blowing up their own buildings, the same British government that's been caught running a fake Ryerson scare last year, everyone in Britain can be forced to have identity cards within five years under a fast-track plan by David Blunkett, which is backed by Tony Blair and gaining support within the Cabinet. | ||
| And it says that the public is very angry. | ||
| They say this is Nazi Germany, Big Brother. | ||
| But you see, in England, they're more honest about it. | ||
| You're going to have a National ID card. | ||
| So national IDs became available for citizens to voluntarily acquire after the passage of the Identity Cards Act of 2006. | ||
| It wasn't popular, and only about 15,000 of the 60-something million UK citizens applied for one, and then the whole thing was scrapped in 2011. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| If it was like an evil authoritarian power grab, they fucked up every step of the plan. | ||
| That was the worst power grab. | ||
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It was. | |
| It was a power shit. | ||
| It was a power throw away, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, Alex has this fantasy of like... | ||
| Like, every time you cede some sort of authority, you'll never get it back. | ||
| Well, they introduced these ID cards, and then they just scrapped it in 2011. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just find the specific examples in the world, a lot of times, you know, vaccine passports, another example of that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like, a lot of countries adopted them. | ||
| They don't use them anymore. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just, sometimes people will just not do stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to get back to the lighthouse thing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Wait, wait, why? | ||
| Because. | ||
| You're talking about Canada. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm interested to think, because the more I thought about it, the more I think, how awful would you feel if that story was true? | ||
| Not because of America doing the thing, but because... | ||
| It took a lighthouse? | ||
| That's what it took? | ||
| To get into World War II, you were like, oh, well now that they've hit this lighthouse, now it's time to get involved! | ||
| Let me assure you it's not true. | ||
| And also, it wasn't done to blame the Germans, because it was on the west coast of... | ||
| It's to blame Japan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, Alex is all over the place. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It makes sense. | ||
| But don't worry about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I'm just saying that it suddenly hit me like, that's the saddest thing I could think of. | ||
| It was like, oh, well, great. | ||
| Now that they've hit this lighthouse. | ||
| It's a pretty cool lighthouse. | ||
| I've seen pictures of it. | ||
| And it is actually strategically important in terms of some trade routes and stuff. | ||
| No, 100%. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But yeah, we'll talk about it right at the end of this episode when Alex gets back to the story. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, I thought we were done with it. | ||
| Now I was getting back to it. | ||
| No, he brings it back up right at the end, but now I've spoiled that. | ||
| The instincts, yep. | ||
| So, the board op here accidentally... | ||
| This is the only thing that I'm going to play from the Oza Motley interview. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it's because it's kind of funny. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And the board op makes a little mistake. | ||
| A few weeks ago, we had this big thing called South by Southwest. | ||
| They've had for about a decade here, and hundreds of rock bands come in, other types of musicians. | ||
| Syndicated radio interview right now. | ||
| Wake up. | ||
| You know what, George? | ||
| I think you put our guest on air while she's trying to get one of the other band members on. | ||
| But that's okay. | ||
| This is a lot of fun. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| Taking a little nap before they go on the radio. | ||
| Or just not up yet. | ||
| They're rock and rollers. | ||
| Their manager is trying to wake them up to go do the interview. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Good times. | ||
| That's good band stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| It's charming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, no need to really talk about that interview, because like I said, it's boring. | ||
| It all worked out in the end, too. | ||
| But there's another interview. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Divorced. | ||
| Billboard Man. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Bringing up our guest, Phillip Dean. | ||
| Phillip, good to have you on the show. | ||
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| Welcome. | ||
| Tell us a little bit about yourself and why you put the sign up and what happened. | ||
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Well, I live in Jackson County, Alabama. | |
| I'm a logging contractor, self-employed, and I went through a bad divorce, and the mother was letting the children run wild and take drugs and into all kinds of trouble, so I took her back to court on June the 23rd of last year to try to seek custody of my two daughters. | ||
| I have three kids, but I have custody of my son. | ||
| Okay, when we went back to court, I hired an attorney that wasn't no good, and he never got it into court, so I had to get another attorney, paid another attorney, supposed to have been the best attorney in Scottsboro. | ||
| We go to court, my ex-wife shows up without an attorney, and the judge gives the kids back to her. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| Tough. | ||
| Boy, the details of that story, I bet, are so sad. | ||
| Scotchbur. | ||
| If you really dug in there, you would get real sad. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| He does say repeatedly that the kids run wild. | ||
| The mind reels at what that could possibly mean. | ||
| There's no part of that dad story that doesn't need him to be like... | ||
| We're going to put you in counseling. | ||
| We're going to get you some people. | ||
| There's something about it. | ||
| You know what's fun? | ||
| Just doing anything. | ||
| You can do anything. | ||
| Do you like crafts? | ||
| Yeah, we can do that. | ||
| So Alex has asked Dean to tell his story, and naturally for him, that story begins with his ugly divorce and messy custody battle. | ||
| That's the inciting incident for the whole sign thing, so it's natural for him to bring that up. | ||
| That's also the case in pretty much every article about Dean getting arrested over the sign. | ||
| The beginning of the incident is a custody hearing, because without that event, he never would. | ||
| to put that sign up in the first place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But on InfoWars, this is the first that we're hearing of it. | |
| It does seem strange. | ||
| And Alex is telling of the story. | ||
| This is just supposed to be a guy with a political message to get out and a judge with no connection to him punishing him for daring to criticize the state. | ||
| Because I know the story. | ||
| When I hear Dean get into this, I'm not surprised. | ||
| But if I were an average InfoWars listener, I might be confused as to why this brave patriot is starting off his story complaining about custody hearings. | ||
| It doesn't seem on message or on point because the point is Yeah, it is one of the things where we do consistently see him running up against people who do not know what the game is in the past. | ||
| He has a lot of guests on who are suddenly surprised to be like, wait, wait, wait, you didn't want me to say the thing that you did? | ||
| I don't think that Alex doesn't want him to say it. | ||
| I mean, they're freely talking about this at this point, because once the guy is on the show, there's no real... | ||
| Denying that this is the reality of the situation. | ||
| Might as well keep going. | ||
| But as long as Alex was laying the groundwork of this storyline, he's not giving the audience a window in until it's forced in by the subject of the story itself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does he tell us what he wants? | ||
| He wants his kids. | ||
| Oh, that's no good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he also wants maybe to put up more signs. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's probably not good either. | ||
| I don't think that's going to resolve the scenario. | ||
| I think that might just escalate things. | ||
| But he did put up more signs just than the one that Alex has mentioned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Are we going to get into that? | ||
| Yeah, and so it's weird that Alex asks him about the other signs because Alex hasn't mentioned the other signs. | ||
| He hasn't told us anything at all about it. | ||
| He just said there was a small sign. | ||
| Our court system is a joke. | ||
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Barely said anything. | |
| Similar sign that says Judge Harrelson said my minor children aged 13 and 15 need to be with her mother even though she let some smoke pot, take drugs, and run wild. | ||
| Tighten it up. | ||
| Okay, so now instead of simply going after you or something else, he believes he's got, he has to take your property, no zoning violation, you're on a county road, 107. | ||
| They're trapped in the country, and these are little signs. | ||
| You stick them in your yard, but they don't come up with some little technicality to try to get you. | ||
| They just take your signs, take your property in America, something our veterans have fought and died for. | ||
| I honestly... | ||
| Oh, come on now! | ||
| It's a little much. | ||
| I would suggest that I would... | ||
| Fine him or have the sign taken down because it's so long. | ||
| That could cause an accident. | ||
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Someone reading the ages of his kids, their mother is letting him run wild. | |
| If that's next to a blind turn, you will kill people. | ||
| Caution, slow readers are available. | ||
| Caution, long sign coming up. | ||
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Yeah, you need a sign to warn people about the sign. | |
| Now that is a compromise I will accept. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| You should be allowed to say what you want via sign. | ||
| If the judge was just tighten it up, that sign's unwieldy, or something like that, then this whole thing is resolved. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Not infringing on your free speech, but that's a mess. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not going to judge you. | ||
| I'm going to give you some feedback. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Now, I'm giving you feedback from the bench. | ||
| I mean, it's a little bit of a different spot. | ||
| Just because I'm a judge doesn't mean I can't be an editor. | ||
| Tighten it up. | ||
| Hey, tighten it up. | ||
| So, the judge? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's God. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's God of the county. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, obviously, the judge was in a delusional power trip state when he said 30 days, but then he changed his mind and claims he apologized. | ||
| Number one, is that true? | ||
| Number two, why do you think he finally woke up that he was engaging in Soviet-style behavior? | ||
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Well, he's the god of Jackson County. | |
| I'm glad you said that. | ||
| He is the god. | ||
| He is the principality. | ||
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He is the god. | |
| First off, he put me in jail. | ||
| My sister got on the phone and she talked to just about every attorney in Scotchboro. | ||
| They said, no way, no way will we touch this case. | ||
| That's why you've always got to bring in a lawyer or be family friends with them or family. | ||
| That's the type I've got. | ||
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Not anymore. | |
| By the way, with my lawyers, they walk in and devastate everything. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| They're not part of the system. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Well, all these lawyers told my sister not no, but hell no. | |
| Okay. | ||
| One of the attorneys I was friends with in Scotchboro that I've known for a long time, he called my sister back on the phone and told her, said, I didn't tell you this, but you need to get out of Scotchboro and get your brother a lawyer because... | ||
| Everyone in Scotchbur is as scared to go up the god against the god, Judge Harold. | ||
| Wait, wait, he's called god. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Stop saying Scotchbur. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I can't handle it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, so he's the god of the county. | ||
| To be fair, Alex said this earlier, so maybe this guy is mirroring what Alex said earlier, that the guy is the god. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I find him unconvincing. | ||
| Here's my general vibe. | ||
| I think maybe he got turned down by a few... | ||
| My general vibe is that everybody fucking hates this guy. | ||
| And that, no, he's not wrong. | ||
| And that, no, you can't get him on anything, but everybody just really does not like this guy. | ||
| It may be. | ||
| It may be. | ||
| I think maybe more it's a case of, like... | ||
| Fletch, too? | ||
| Who knows how many different variables there could be for a person not wanting to take his case. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a loser of a case. | ||
| I'm not going to win this. | ||
| I'm trying to build a reputation in this town. | ||
| Don't like that guy. | ||
| He doesn't have the money. | ||
| Definitely that. | ||
| I'm too busy. | ||
| There's a number of reasons that lawyers could turn this down. | ||
| It's more fun to imagine. | ||
| It's like, I can't do that because... | ||
| I would anger the judge by practicing law. | ||
| Hey, I don't, believe me, I don't discount the insane power of a municipal court judge out of control. | ||
| You know, you read stories about the, you know, the ones that are like, ah, I judge you to blah, and then you're like, you can't really do that, and they're like, apparently I can't! | ||
| It's Magic World! | ||
| You know what you read more of, though? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sheriffs like that. | ||
| Yes, you do. | ||
| Man, we gotta keep people who are crazy away from having a lot of power. | ||
| Especially that kind of unitary, just singular power. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So I found something very interesting in the way that Dean talks. | ||
| And that is that he seems to have very different priorities than Alex. | ||
| And it comes out here. | ||
| Well, they'd do good in China, wouldn't they? | ||
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Yes, they would. | |
| Judge Harrelson would do great. | ||
| I don't think he would. | ||
| Is it sad to you to see this happening in America? | ||
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Yes, it is, and it's even more sad to see what this judicial system has done to my family. | |
| They have destroyed my children's life. | ||
| So you're all chained up now, and they bring you in before his lordship. | ||
| Let's just call him his lordship. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you see the way that Alex... | ||
| Change the subject. | ||
| You get the sense listening to this interview that Philip Dean is primarily focused on his family. | ||
| This whole thing started because he had a belief that his children were not being raised in a safe environment with his ex-wife. | ||
| He put up the sign primarily because he lost the custody hearing, and then he couldn't afford what it would cost to pay a lawyer for an appeal, which convinced him that the court system is a joke. | ||
| He did seem to target the judge in the case more than really expensive lawyers, but I'll leave that to the side. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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It's his choice. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The point is, he mostly just cares about his family. | ||
| He seems pissed off at the court, and this judge in particular, but he's mad because their decisions left his kids with his ex-wife, who he thinks is not keeping them safe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| all he just wants to use dean's story as a prop to incite the audience against the prevailing power structure he just wants to do all this shit about how judges are selfish and vain gods meeting out justice on their petty whims it's an interesting dynamic because i don't think that dean is that politically inclined but he has a story that's very useful to be exploited by alex who is deeply politically inclined it doesn't feel like dean is an unwilling participant in this whole thing and he's definitely going along with whatever alex's story is | ||
| is laying down, but I get a strong sense that if someone had just agreed to represent him in his custody appeal pro bono, none of this would be happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Do you know what I feel like from Dean? | ||
| Pre-internet. | ||
| This is somebody who does not have the... | ||
| Who does not... | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| Like, now, this is a person who has already got an Instagram account about how angry stuff is. | ||
| This is a person who's already spinning this into their five minutes or whatever. | ||
| The billboard might as well have been a shit post. | ||
| Totally, yeah. | ||
| And then he would have had a thing, and then there would have been a big fight, and then he could have been, like, selling small billboards. | ||
| You know, like, that all would have happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the post-internet. | ||
| And now, and here he is, just like, I put up billboards. | ||
| It's the only thing I could do. | ||
| It's the only thing I could do because I don't understand. | ||
| It's yelling into the ether, essentially. | ||
| And that's what posing online is, too. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, it is, yeah. | ||
| But it is so interesting to me that, like... | ||
| He seems to be aware of some kind of political corruption in Scotchbur or whatever. | ||
| I bet there is! | ||
| I'm sure there is, too. | ||
| I bet there is! | ||
| But he would never have done any of this stuff if it weren't personally affecting his connection with his family. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the only real thing that matters to him. | ||
| Whereas Alex wants to take down judges. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex would like to be George Washington, and this guy's like, let's take down King George because he is fucking pissing on my lawn! | ||
| I'm not saying that he is a great person. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| That's pretty much what America did, really. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But I'm not saying that he should necessarily have custody of his kids. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know the circumstances. | ||
| It may very well be that he is a negligent and bad parent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| But his priority or his concern in terms of the story that we're talking about is all familial. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's unfortunate because he's being used. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's what it is. | ||
| It's like in the pre-internet era, it felt like people were being used. | ||
| And now in the internet era, it feels like people are using the being used. | ||
| It's too, yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex... | ||
| He tries to bring all of these stories together. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And in the process brings in another guest. | ||
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All right. | |
| You'll never guess who it is. | ||
| It's the guy who stole a chicken. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| And that guy's wife. | ||
| It is not. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It really is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is not. | ||
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It is. | |
| What? | ||
| So we've connected two disparate elements of our society that otherwise would never have interacted? | ||
| They're on the phone at the same time. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is what the show should have been for from the beginning. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Now my friends, I see these type of articles every couple days. | ||
| I don't even cover them on the air because there's so many of them. | ||
| But today we've been detailing some examples of it. | ||
| Oza Motley, the Grammy Award winning... | ||
| Conga band, whatever you want to call it. | ||
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Conga band? | |
| Caribbean music. | ||
| Never been in trouble. | ||
| They mostly play limbo shows. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| What Grammy do you win as a Conga band? | ||
| Conga Grammy. | ||
| Philip Dean put a sign in his yard. | ||
| Our court system is a joke. | ||
| The judge had the police take it, then arrest him. | ||
| He's on with us. | ||
| And then this story I heard about Friday, and I believed it, but I had to find the article myself, out of the Mail Tribune. | ||
| Out of Oregon. | ||
| And it says it's off to jail for chicken rescuer. | ||
| Williams Mann thought he had been abandoned. | ||
| Little did he know that she was a town celebrity in Murphy. | ||
| How do you not know a town celebrity? | ||
| We've got our next guest here on the line, Nick Gombos, and his wife, Kathy Dean. | ||
| No relation to Mr. Dean in Alabama. | ||
| Now we're going to the other side of the country, to the West Coast. | ||
| And in a nutshell, it's a long article, and I've got several other articles here. | ||
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It's not that long. | |
| You get a different story when you read the different articles together. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| He goes there, and there's a sick shivering chicken. | ||
| It's shivering! | ||
| It's shivering! | ||
| Oh, the shivering chicken! | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| And then all of a sudden the police come out and say, give us the check and let us in. | ||
| He said, no, bring a warrant. | ||
| What story is this? | ||
| He has diabetes and stuff from Agent Orange. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| His wife's joining us because sometimes he has a problem with his long, short-term memory, she was saying. | ||
| Long, short-term. | ||
| So in that clip, you have Alex doing something that you very rarely see, which is presenting stories that he's able to provide connective tissue for in order to build a theme. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All of these stories are supposed to be cases where the police overstepped. | ||
| There's a vibe that they can work together. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The issue here, though, is they really only have that connective tissue if you rely on the reality that Alex paints instead of real-world reality. | ||
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Right. | |
| The case of Oza Motley involves a band ending their show with a conga line at 2.30 in the morning, which police told them they needed to stop. | ||
| At which point the crowd got a little heated and the drummer accidentally hit an officer with his drum. | ||
| The police overreacted in response to the entire thing, which was remedied by a compromise in scaled-down charges. | ||
| It was a police overreaction and resolved. | ||
| The case of Philip Dean is one of judicial overstepping, but it's also a case that it's a bit more debatable than Alex wants you to think. | ||
| Dean had previous business in front of the judge and directly attacked him in one of the yard signs that Alex tried to pretend didn't exist. | ||
| There's a possibility that when the judge ordered Dean to be brought in for contempt, he thought that Dean still had business in front of the court, like he may not have known that the time limit for his custody appeal had left. | ||
| That doesn't make this okay, but it makes it more understandable why it would possibly be considered contempt by the judge. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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The police overstepped, but only because they were following the orders of the judge. | |
| So this really isn't similar to the Ozomotli case. | ||
| It's only similar in terms of vibes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then we have the case of the Nicholas Gombos, where a guy steals a chicken because he thought he could raise it better than the grocery store for whom it was a mascot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He had no right to take that chicken. | ||
| It was somebody else's, and he refused to return it and then threatened the police when they came to retrieve someone else's property that he'd stolen. | ||
| He wasn't SWAT teamed, and he has memory problems, which is going to call into question a lot of the stuff, like his claim that someone told him it was okay to take speckles, or that he called to give them updates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't believe that shit, because they were actively looking for their lost mascot, and the store was closed when he took it. | ||
| And if he'd called to tell them where it was, this thing would have been resolved much more quickly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, if you wanted to put connective tissue between all of these things, it would just simply be that if you send people with guns to somewhere, they're going to make someplace worse. | ||
| Or the connective tissue is, that's some 2004 bullshit right there. | ||
| That is some strong 2004 bullshit. | ||
| But as it stands with gombos, this isn't a case of the police or a judge overstepping. | ||
| It's a case of a man stealing a chicken and thinking it was his right to do that because he felt he could treat it better than its owner. | ||
| It's a case of a crime being committed and the police arresting someone for that crime. | ||
| But, by subtle finesse, Alex is able to wrap all these cases into a neat little bow, making them appear to be a part of the cohesive whole. | ||
| But if you examine these cases more closely, that cohesive whole is just based on vibes. | ||
| Alex wants you to feel a certain way about these cases, and that is the connective tissue. | ||
| They're not all cases of police brutality. | ||
| They're not all cases of judicial impropriety. | ||
| They're not all cases of people's rights being infringed. | ||
| There's nothing that holds them firmly together other than they each have good optics for Alex to use to make the listeners scared that the man is coming for them so long Alex is able to fudge some of the details in order to build that vibe up. | ||
| For instance, in that clip, Alex says that Nicholas asked people if he could take the chicken, and they said it was fine. | ||
| That never happened. | ||
| And if you read the source that Alex himself is citing, they make it very clear that he visited the store after hours. | ||
| There was no one there to get permission from, but Alex knows that if he lies about that, it makes his subject seem more blameless, and that helps him build the vibe of outright Somewhat comical police oppression. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Even with all that said, it's a staggering thing to see this kind of a swing on Alex's show. | ||
| He's legitimately juggling three stories that he's pretending are all connected and he's trying to illustrate a theme. | ||
| I don't think he's successful in his attempt, but it is so much more ambitious. | ||
| I know, it really is. | ||
| And also, I think he actually... | ||
| Well, one, I think he fails. | ||
| But I do think there is an incredible connective tissue between all three of these things, which is that it is... | ||
| People being assholes. | ||
| And then the problem being escalated through the use of somebody who has guns. | ||
| It's simple. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Don't go outside the fucking bar at 2.30. | ||
| Some people are trying to sleep. | ||
| Asshole behavior. | ||
| Everybody should go, hey, quit being an asshole. | ||
| And then they go, I'm sorry, I was an asshole. | ||
| And then it's done. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Putting billboards up? | ||
| What are you fucking doing? | ||
| Take them down. | ||
| Talk to your ex-wife. | ||
| Work shit out. | ||
| Get a fucking... | ||
| No. | ||
| Guns. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Problem. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You stole that chicken! | ||
| There's no reason to steal a chicken! | ||
| Give back the damn chicken. | ||
| Just give the chicken back. | ||
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Nope! | |
| Guys with guns! | ||
| No! | ||
| I'm telling you! | ||
| No guys with guns should go anywhere! | ||
| You almost slipped into Danny Callis there. | ||
| I really did! | ||
| It was so close! | ||
| It was so hard not to! | ||
| I think you're somewhat right, but I also don't think it's... | ||
| All people with guns, because it is also just... | ||
| It's authority of a certain level that is unnecessary. | ||
| It's overkill. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's essentially it. | ||
| It is like, this should be resolved. | ||
| By being people, and instead it's being resolved by this over-the-top level that's not going to resolve it. | ||
| It's going to make it worse. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the thing that is made worse is exploitable by someone like Alex. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because he can make it look like this is all about completely out of the blue, just the state wanting to do this to you, as opposed to just some people who make some bad reactions to people being dicks. | ||
| Yeah, and if you, and I mean... | ||
| So much of this is just like, listen, if you are a judge, you need to understand that if you act like an asshole like this, Alex is going to convince a million people that all judges are full of shit and evil. | ||
| Like, that's on you. | ||
| That's on every single fucking one of you because you get to wear a pretend robe that makes you powerful. | ||
| Every time you put it on, you have to be better than the people who are not wearing the robe. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I think that... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have a responsibility to the public. | ||
| And if you fuck up, guess what? | ||
| There's Alex. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when you fuck up, it's not the man crushing a guy with a sign. | ||
| It's someone who made a bad decision. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Possibly in some good faith. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there is a decent chance that that guy did think there was business in front of the court. | ||
| He did think that this was an egregious level of contempt. | ||
| His name was on the sign. | ||
| That's probably shit talk that you don't want to handle. | ||
| Now, at the same time, as a judge, he's a public figure, so the bar for what you can and can't say about them is a little wider than if he was just a private citizen. | ||
| But, you know, these instances, except for the chicken one, all have, like... | ||
| That's a man who has memory problems who stole a chicken. | ||
| That whole problem has nothing to do with chicken or stealing. | ||
| There's so many other things that need to be handled before we get into the, why did this guy just steal a chicken? | ||
| That's a larger question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what I mean is that the Ozamotli instance and the Billboard instance are both ones where the problem becoming a problem... | ||
| Is the bad decision made by the person with authority? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the case of the chicken, that's not the case. | ||
| That's not the problem. | ||
| So that connective tissue that you're describing doesn't really hold up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, come on, man. | ||
| The guy didn't mean to steal a chicken. | ||
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He did. | |
| He doesn't understand the concept. | ||
| He absolutely did. | ||
| Well, he didn't mean to steal it, but he didn't mean to take that chicken. | ||
| No, he totally meant to take that chicken. | ||
| But the fact that the man meant to take that chicken is the problem. | ||
| Not anything else. | ||
| The reasons behind his thinking are the problem. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Well, once he was informed that that's someone else's chicken, he still refused to give it back. | ||
| Then there's the problem. | ||
| You know, it may as well have been stealing from the beginning. | ||
| Now we get into trouble. | ||
| Once he refused to address it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So anyway. | ||
| Give me back that chicken, man. | ||
| We get into the chicken. | ||
| He's facing a bunch of charges. | ||
| Now, they couldn't charge him with stealing a chicken, so what they do is then they claim that he didn't follow their orders, that he obstructed an officer, a failure to follow an officer's order. | ||
| Because he didn't let them in without a warrant. | ||
| See, that's how it works now. | ||
| And they got a Supreme Court ruling on last Monday, seven days ago. | ||
| The Supreme Court ruled in a Nevada case of an old rancher on the side of the highway at his own fence, mending a fence. | ||
| The police officer pulls up and says, answer my questions, give me your ID. | ||
| And he says, son, don't be rude to me. | ||
| You know, I don't have to answer your questions. | ||
| I don't have to, well... | ||
| So now you've got to have your national ID card, you see, and he was charged and convicted of obstructing justice and resisting, which would be assault, and he got convicted of that. | ||
| They admit he didn't touch him. | ||
| This was in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, folks, in a headline, The Road to the Police State. | ||
| He didn't touch him, but it's now resisting to not answer their questions. | ||
| And so that's the same thing now that Nick Gombos is facing. | ||
| You can read this article. | ||
| Alex said that they couldn't charge him with stealing the chicken at the beginning of the clip, but they very much did. | ||
| I was going to say, that seems like... | ||
| He had a third degree theft charge that he was hit with, and Alex is pretending that didn't happen because it works better for this police state nonsense. | ||
| No, he stole the chicken. | ||
| So that Nevada case that Alex is talking about with his Supreme Court decision is Habel v. | ||
| 6th District Court of Nevada. | ||
| That's the decision in play. | ||
| In that case, it had nothing to do with a kindly old rancher mending fences and then cops just deciding to fuck with him. | ||
| He seemed like such a nice guy in Alex's telly. | ||
| He did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there had been a report to the police of a woman being assaulted, and the description of the perpetrator was that he was driving a red and silver GMC truck. | ||
| They found a truck fitting that description, seemingly hastily pulled over to the side of the highway, and Larry Heibel was outside of it smoking a cigarette. | ||
| I didn't hear nobody! | ||
| Who's she? | ||
| You guys have been drinking. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| The officer was just trying to get more information, and Heibel kept repeating, Just take me to jail. | ||
| And being entirely uncooperative. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| When there's something being investigated and the police have a reasonable suspicion about you, you are required to identify yourself to them in the state of Nevada. | ||
| That is a law that is on the books in Nevada. | ||
| Heibel didn't do that, and he was charged with obstructing an officer over it, and then he took it all the way to the Supreme Court. | ||
| The Supreme Court ruled that Nevada's stop-and-identify law was not unconstitutional, which has literally zero bearing on how the Oregon police handled a guy who stole a chick. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| Zero bearing. | ||
| But they kind of connect on vibes. | ||
| They can be made to feel like they connect. | ||
| You just fudge some details. | ||
| I genuinely believe that the law should be that if you say to the cops, just take me to jail, they should have to take you. | ||
| Like, it should end there. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Like, there should be no further need for, like, uh, yes. | ||
| We have no further business here. | ||
| I shall get into your car. | ||
| You shall take me to the police station. | ||
| We don't need to talk anymore. | ||
| That's how it works, right? | ||
| That's like the amendment where it's like anything you say. | ||
| You know, that whole thing. | ||
| I think, uh, sure, yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But what if you just want to ride? | ||
| What if you're going somewhere near the police station? | ||
| Do they give rides? | ||
| Or would you commit a crime to get a ride? | ||
| What if that guy's car was broken down, his truck was broken down, and that's why it was hastily pulled over the road? | ||
| And you know that a cop is not going to voluntarily give you a ride. | ||
| Take me to jail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I need to go to the... | ||
| Because across the street is a great coffee shop. | ||
| Or there's a place that I can get it towed. | ||
| There's a tow company there. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And it's $2,000, so I don't have a cell phone. | ||
| Save you so much money. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| Gombos' wife is mostly doing this interview, his wife Kathy, and so she corrects Alex that... | ||
| How old is Gombos? | ||
| Didn't he say he was in Vietnam? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that should give you some sense. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| So an old man stole a chick. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Everything you said is the absolute truth with the exception that... | ||
| The store was closed. | ||
| There wasn't anyone around when Nick picked the chicken up. | ||
| It was 10 o 'clock at night. | ||
| Okay, I've got three different articles here, and I know the news gets set up wrong a lot, so I'm trying to go off the newspaper. | ||
| My wife talked to you, set you up for the show early this morning, but explain to me then what happened. | ||
| Okay, Nick was coming home from Grants Pass, approximately 10 o 'clock at night. | ||
| He stopped and, as you said, picked up his weekly nickel at Ray's Market, and he saw a chicken underneath some magazines. | ||
| Like sleeping under it? | ||
| Like... | ||
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Left a chicken in her hands and her chicks. | |
| And people picked up the baby chicks and left the hen. | ||
| So he put the hen in the box and brought it home. | ||
| There was no one around to ask if the chicken belonged to anybody. | ||
| Everything was closed up. | ||
| Okay, I'm trying to dig out the quote out of one of these stories. | ||
| It says that your husband did, though, at some time talk to employees and they said it was fine. | ||
| I phoned the following morning after finding out from a neighbor that this chicken looked similar to one she had seen down at Ray's Market. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So I immediately phoned the market. | ||
| I feel like this story should not, this shouldn't go further. | ||
| And the lady, or the gentleman that I talked to, it was a long conversation. | ||
| How? | ||
| We have your chicken! | ||
| Come get your chicken! | ||
| It should be a short conversation! | ||
| You can go ahead and keep the chicken. | ||
| No, listen, don't keep it. | ||
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What? | |
| Don't keep the chicken. | ||
| What is anyone doing? | ||
| Bring the box back, keep the chicken, I don't give a shit. | ||
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I don't think that even slightly happened! | |
| What are you... | ||
| What are you talking about keep the chicken? | ||
| I could assume, if she wasn't saying it was a long conversation and that this was the end result of it, I could see them calling and some low-level employee who didn't know anything. | ||
| But it's a small grocery store. | ||
| I mean, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It would have to be a small staff, probably. | ||
| If it was a long conversation, the conversation was, we're keeping the chicken, and then it ended with, sure, keep the chicken! | ||
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And see, I don't think that they should have this chicken. | |
| I don't think they should have the chicken either. | ||
| And part of the reason is this next clip where Kathy is thrown a little shade at the chicken. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| This chicken was not a town celebrity as it's been reported. | ||
| The chicken had only been there for three weeks. | ||
| And no one owns it, and no one even knows where it came from. | ||
| One article, they say it's a celebrity, and they own it. | ||
| The other articles, they say it's not owned. | ||
| They can't trust the media. | ||
| Definitely not owned. | ||
| It had only shown up approximately three weeks ago. | ||
| Okay, well, accelerate through this for us. | ||
| Maybe it was a big three weeks. | ||
| Wait, so now what's going on? | ||
| How is this story not over? | ||
| So listen to me. | ||
| If this chicken wasn't a publicly known figure, how was her friend able to identify it on site? | ||
| It does seem suspicious. | ||
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Which is why she claimed that she called the store the next day after Nick stole the chicken. | |
| Seems suspicious. | ||
| Doesn't track. | ||
| Maybe she was just saying that it wasn't a big celebrity. | ||
| It was like a Town D celebrity. | ||
| It wasn't the Town Lynx. | ||
| That thing is fucking riding high. | ||
| What's the ceiling for a chicken? | ||
| Mike the Headless Chicken. | ||
| Was one of the highest selling... | ||
| That's different. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Also, in the article that Alex is using as a source from the Mail Tribune, Kathy is quoted as saying she and her husband, quote, were not regular shoppers at the store as a way of claiming ignorance that the chicken that they'd taken was the store's mascot. | ||
| Why did you steal this chicken? | ||
| She admits unfamiliarity with Ray's as a store, and now here she is asserting that the chicken wasn't a local favorite. | ||
| Curious. | ||
| It's very curious. | ||
| I don't understand why this man stole this chicken. | ||
| I really don't understand why she is defending stealing the chicken. | ||
| I am willing to accept the possibility that he took the chicken in good faith. | ||
| Sure, totally. | ||
| And as, like, he was concerned about its well-being. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I don't believe that every action taken after that point... | ||
| It's all a problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's almost like... | ||
| They were like, oh fuck, we're in over our head. | ||
| Yeah, it feels exactly like that. | ||
| It feels exactly like that. | ||
| Instead of just like, give the chicken back, everything will be fine. | ||
| Yeah, it feels like they're trying to get away with the chicken for some reason. | ||
| It's like you could just give the chicken back. | ||
| Like they accidentally killed someone and they're engaged in a cover-up or something. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| You took a chicken. | ||
| Just give the chicken back. | ||
| Nobody's even problem. | ||
| Yeah, oh man. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I think that also there's an issue that these people might be a little... | ||
| A little bit delusional. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| Deputy Tripp came back and said that my husband was going to be arrested on felony chicken charges. | ||
| Felony? | ||
| Felony. | ||
| Felony chicken charges? | ||
| Felony chicken. | ||
| That's arrest. | ||
| Felony chicken charges. | ||
| What is it there? | ||
| I didn't know this chicken was worth thousands of dollars. | ||
| No, no, of course not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| He's outright lied to us. | ||
| By the way, possession is nine-tenths of the law. | ||
| Well, we're going to get it back, I think, eventually. | ||
| Mondays on Fox. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They think they're going to get the chicken back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How? | ||
| Using what laws? | ||
| Well, see, there is one interesting wrinkle to this story, and that is in the aftermath of them stealing the chicken and this becoming a big public to-do, there was the local animal folks chimed in that it was like, this is not... | ||
| It's a sanitary or safe thing to have a chicken as a mascot. | ||
| Obviously! | ||
| And so there is maybe a tiny piece of her brain that's like, you know, maybe you can't go back there. | ||
| Maybe it'll come with us. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| But, um, no, instead, uh, Nick went to jail for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Which would not have happened if you just give the chicken back. | ||
| Just give the chicken back! | ||
| I don't understand... | ||
| See, I just... | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Like, I don't understand the, like, saving something and then I... | ||
| No, I don't get it. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I just don't get it. | ||
| I understand why you don't get it, and that is what makes you think that maybe you weren't saving it to begin with. | ||
| In a vacuum, I see what Nick did that night as benevolent. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But all the actions after it make you think, no, he was putting it inside his coat and running away. | ||
| I mean, yeah, does he have experience as a chicken person? | ||
| Does he like, oh, aha, this is... | ||
| No, because he had to buy a hen and a rooster to keep it company. | ||
| That's another issue that I'm struggling with. | ||
| Is this the first time he's ever even talked to a chicken? | ||
| If so, how does he know how the chicken feels? | ||
| About anything! | ||
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It's... | |
| This is what happens when you go back to the past. | ||
| I need to know more about this chicken. | ||
| There's not much more to know, except you died like a month after this. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Was it like a beautiful... | ||
| Oh, I couldn't find a picture of the bird itself, but I found a bird like it. | ||
| It's a nice-looking bird. | ||
| It's a nice-looking bird? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Speckled. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| Of course. | ||
| That's the name. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| But yeah, this is... | ||
| Real femme fatale. | ||
| This is that... | ||
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This is that 2004 shit. | |
| It is. | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| Just mainline it, man. | ||
| Just mainline chicken thieves. | ||
| They get done with the billboard slash chicken interviews, and Alex decides he's going to go to calls. | ||
| And, oh my lord, what a mistake. | ||
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Well, I'm not quite sure if this is the right time to talk to you about this, but you know how the New World Order is always hiding things in plain view? | |
| Sure. | ||
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Alex? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Well, wife and I watched the movie Willard last night. | |
| Oh. | ||
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And at the very last scene, the main character gets thrown into an insane asylum. | |
| The number on his cell door, 3-911. | ||
| In other words, September 11th and March 11th? | ||
| Yeah, the globalists love to do that. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| You get it? | ||
| You get that? | ||
| Was Willard the one with the guy who controls rats? | ||
| Little rats. | ||
| Little rats. | ||
| Crispin Glover? | ||
| Crispin Glover did 9-11 in March. | ||
| Is that the conspiracy? | ||
| They were predicting. | ||
| Predictive programming. | ||
| Any number you see anywhere means things. | ||
| Willard came out before 9-11? | ||
| I'm pretty sure, yeah. | ||
| Or maybe he's talking about the original Willard. | ||
| Wasn't it a remake of a 70s movie? | ||
| He's talking about the original Willard, eh? | ||
| I'm trying to see. | ||
| I think Willard, the other one, might have come out even before 9-11. | ||
| No! | ||
| Willard was 2003. | ||
| 1971 was the original. | ||
| So it's either he watched a 2003 one and went, oh, they're gloating and they're laughing at us by putting... | ||
| This guy into a mental asylum for thinking that 9-11 had a job that happened inside March. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| No, because 3-11 is another terrorist attack. | ||
| But look, here's the situation. | ||
| Now we have to wrestle with this. | ||
| No. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Did the band do it? | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| It can't be predictive programming because this is a 2004. | ||
| He is talking about the 2003 movie. | ||
| He's talking about the 2003 movie. | ||
| It has to be after the fact. | ||
| They're laughing at us. | ||
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Or... | |
| Or... | ||
| Or what? | ||
| In 1971, they predicted 9-11 in this movie. | ||
| Okay, that would be a twist. | ||
| 30 years in advance. | ||
| That would be a solid twist. | ||
| I'd take that twist. | ||
| If Nicolas Cage was playing me in the movie, this would be the point at which you're like, that's why we hired Nicolas Cage. | ||
| Predictive programming doesn't go that far. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| Also, this is not the time. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know if this is the time to bring this up. | ||
| You just had some pretty heavy chicken stuff going on. | ||
| Anyways, time to go. | ||
| So we have one last clip, and this is we get back to Canada, getting lured into World War II. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So there's a little payoff for you. | ||
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There's the lighthouse, okay. | |
| I mean, these are the real news articles. | ||
| This is the real stuff that's going on. | ||
| Then there's this article out of the Edmund Journal, out of Canada. | ||
| Lighthouse attack was staged by U.S. to trick Canada into war. | ||
| And they go through the evidence of the U.S. attacking the lighthouse to blame it on Japan or Germany. | ||
| And that was a pretext to get them into the war. | ||
| There's that article, just another example of it. | ||
| There's so much of it. | ||
| So this is ridiculous for a number of reasons. | ||
| The first being that the shelling of Estevan Point Lighthouse happened in 1942, and Canada entered World War II in 1939. | ||
| So they were already in. | ||
| They were a little behind America. | ||
| The attack was blamed on Japan because they did it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, so they did do it. | ||
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They did. | |
| Japan did do the attack. | ||
| This is a great encapsulation of most conspiracy theories, where there's basically zero evidence of something, but you found a potential motive for a certain act to have been carried out, so you skip over the lack of evidence, and you just arrive at the conspiracy conclusion. | ||
| Conscription was unpopular in Canada, but after this attack on the lighthouse, people were more open to it. | ||
| Thus, it must have been a false flag in order to sway the public towards conscription. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Unfortunately for someone like Alex, imagining a motive isn't the same thing as solving a case, and in this case, there's tons of evidence that Japan did the attack. | ||
| For one, there are pieces of shells that hit the lighthouse that have been found and are on display publicly, and they're Japanese. | ||
| Okay, well, that's probably pretty high evidence. | ||
| Second, Japanese military documents have been discovered that prove that two submarines, the I-25 and I-26, were responsible for the attack, as well as one on the American Fort Stevens in Oregon. | ||
| They were all on the west coast. | ||
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All right. | |
| They bombed that shit, too. | ||
| Fellas, go back. | ||
| Go back home. | ||
| You're a little bit far. | ||
| A little bit far. | ||
| So the reason that there's a conspiracy here at all is because of this imagined motive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And a single entry in the then-lightkeeper's notes, which said that the attack was carried out by warships, when in reality, it had been done by submarines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People who want to see a conspiracy insist that the lightkeeper must have been right, whereas the more likely explanation was offered by Canadian naval historians Michael Whitby and Bill Rawling in an article in the Ottawa Citizen. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Quote, The witness testimony cited to support the conspiracy theory in the article is also flawed. | ||
| Rather than coolly watching the attack, the lighthouse keeper ran down the stairs of a 125-foot structure, found his wife to warn her to take cover, and then ran all the way back up the stairs to douse the light. | ||
| Presumably, this took some time and effort and impaired his ability to observe the relatively short attack. | ||
| As for identifying warship types, trained military personnel consistently make errors along the lines of aircraft attacking whales, Yeah. | ||
| But again... | ||
| Alex needs to come up with sneaky explanations for how everyone got tricked into fighting the Nazis. | ||
| But don't worry, he's not a fan. | ||
| He's not a fan of those Nazis. | ||
| Just everyone should have been minding their own business. | ||
| Not gotten sucked into or tricked into fighting World War II. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| I do love a good old-fashioned, ah, but we have one guy's notes. | ||
| Those are always good. | ||
| Also, I mean, come on, man! | ||
| It's a ship that makes war. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be any ship. | ||
| It could be an undership. | ||
| It could be an overship. | ||
| It was shooting bombs! | ||
| Apparently this guy, in addition to his note, he had said other times it was a quote. | ||
| But you can't take that as super credible, given the circumstances. | ||
| I'm under attack! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| Under attack, running up and down the lighthouse. | ||
| Oh, that's so stupid. | ||
| The then technology he would have had to be able to determine what it was. | ||
| He goes down, he warns his wife, and then suddenly it stops. | ||
| It hits him. | ||
| I gotta turn the light off. | ||
| And then runs all the way back up. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| You feel for the guy. | ||
| Heartbreaking. | ||
| Feel for him. | ||
| That is a comical moment. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've reached the end of this episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| The past. | ||
| Take me back. | ||
| The past. | ||
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Such limited stakes. | |
| You got skeletons with hats. | ||
| Oh, those hats! | ||
| You got people stealing chickens. | ||
| I almost forgot how scary the skeletons with Fez is. | ||
| You got an angry divorcee putting up signs. | ||
| It's just everything is... | ||
| I don't know if this is the right way to put it, but this is fucking Americana. | ||
| It's very news of the world-y. | ||
| It is very much like, this is what I'm here for. | ||
| I'm in the checkout line. | ||
| I'm strolling. | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| Well, that's insane. | ||
| A man stole a chicken? | ||
| Alright, I'll put that back. | ||
| Thank you very much, and I'm on my day. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Alex turns it into a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I look forward to going to the past more, because this is great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the worse the present gets, I think we might... | ||
| Just find these... | ||
| Is it technically The Matrix if we just choose to only cover the past as if we lived in it? | ||
| We need to make some... | ||
| Podcasting didn't exist in 2004. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, that's just radio that we put into a bottle. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then throw into the ocean. | ||
| That's the same difference. | ||
| I really think you're bending the rules of The Matrix. | ||
| Radio... | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But to be fair, there's no spoon. | ||
| There is no spoon. | ||
| So anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's KnowledgeWrite.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Blue Sky. | ||
| We are on Blue Sky. | ||
| It's KnowledgeWrite. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| Pour one out for my boy Speckles. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah! | ||
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Woo! | |
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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