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#890: January 16, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to see what Alex's thoughts were about the Iowa caucus.  As it turns out, he doesn't have much to say about it, but he does have thoughts about demons, and how much you suck if you take your kid to a football game.

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alex jones
22:01
d
dan friesen
39:29
j
jordan holmes
22:17
Appearances
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joy reid
02:05
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rachel maddow
01:07
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
We need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Dan.
unidentified
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you!
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is...
Prince of Persia, The Lost Crown, now available on video game systems around the globe.
jordan holmes
You told me you deluxed it!
dan friesen
I did.
I threw down a couple extra bucks because you could play it three days early if you did.
And that just so happened to be right after we did the debate episodes.
I was like, I need a fucking break.
I need something to be a little treat.
And so I splurged on that and enjoy.
It's great.
It's so much fun!
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's great.
I play so many, like, whenever I gravitate towards a game, a lot of it is, like, open world type exploration and things like this.
And this is, you know...
Pretty much 2D puzzles and platforming.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Okay, wow.
dan friesen
Off the beaten path of some of the stuff that I play a lot, but I've always been a big fan of Prince of Persia.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
I played it when it was just a computer game.
When it was too hard, way too hard.
jordan holmes
It was way too hard.
See, that's why I've never been a prince of Persia.
dan friesen
But I like that, and then when they had the, I think it was on the GameCube, the Sands of Time one, where you could reverse time.
jordan holmes
Where you could reverse time, I remember that one.
dan friesen
That one was so fucking fun.
And so, yeah, I've always had a fondness for the IP.
And so I was excited to see that a new one was out, but I was also a little bit wary.
I was like, I don't know.
I don't know if this is going to be any good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, on the Gyllenhaals, how many Gyllenhaals do you give this Prince of Persia?
dan friesen
Both Jake and Maggie.
It's both.
jordan holmes
Two Gyllenhaals up!
dan friesen
Yep.
All right.
It's good.
It's good.
I don't know.
I haven't played that far into it, honestly, because I'm kind of bad at it.
That happens.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's the problem with being like, I don't play 2D side-scrollers too often.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not good.
jordan holmes
I'm not good at them, yeah.
If I played them a lot, I'd probably be pretty good at them.
dan friesen
I'm not good, but it's fun enough that when I fail, I'm not that mad about it.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it's kind of like, I can always see what I'm supposed to be doing, and I know that eventually I will do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I just bang my head against a wall, trying to backflip off a wall, and I don't know.
Good enough time.
I think I'm going to try to beat it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Although, the only thing that's going to stop me from beating it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because I can handle all of the, like, platforming puzzles and all that stuff.
I can handle that.
I'll fail repeatedly.
But I'll get there eventually.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The combat, I'm not sure.
I'm not good at that.
I am not good at combat.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Just mash buttons and panic.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's no good.
dan friesen
That's all I can do.
jordan holmes
Combat is tough.
I can't do 2D.
I'm terrible at combat and 2D stuff.
dan friesen
I can never remember that you can parry things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm just like, I'll dodge through everything.
jordan holmes
I need to dodge.
I'm a three-dimensional.
I need to move to the left.
dan friesen
It's just not good enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
So we'll see.
I'll give an update.
On this?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So it's your bright spot.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I got my ink done.
Oh, you got a long suit shirt on, so I couldn't see.
Well, I mean, you can't see it anyways, because it's under a space-age bandage.
dan friesen
So it is.
jordan holmes
The type that they use now.
dan friesen
Oh, you did get barbed wire.
jordan holmes
I did.
No, I got my band.
I got my all four elements.
It's really, really good.
How long did it take?
Probably about four hours.
dan friesen
That's not bad.
One for each element.
jordan holmes
Well, it was two hours of prep because the tattoo artist is Caitlin McKay of Evoke Tattoos.
She's amazing.
She's really, really good.
Because putting a band is so tough when you've got two different circumferences, you know?
This is thicker around the edge, and so to try and line it up, you have to kind of do the 45-degree cylinder math thing.
That's my understanding of math.
dan friesen
Engineering, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, did a great job.
The colors are amazing and bright and perfect.
Awesome.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can't wait to see it.
jordan holmes
And the design, or the shop.
Huge, huge.
Love the shop.
Love Caitlin.
Tattoo places for the longest time have been huge sources of dude energy.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
This is not a dude energy place.
No dude energy there.
dan friesen
That's nice.
jordan holmes
It's so much less stressful.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was great.
dan friesen
Shout out to the shop.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
To Caitlin and to your arm.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to have an episode to go over.
There was talk!
From me, of not having an episode, just taking a break, because we had seven hours of episodes over the course of Friday and Monday.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But I felt like I can't rest forever.
jordan holmes
Oh, I knew you were bluffing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, as I mentioned on the last episode, we have to talk about the Iowa caucuses.
I mean, it's a big deal.
It's the first primary contest of the season.
And, I mean, obviously Trump is going to win.
I don't think anybody will win.
I watched it on the NBC News.
I haven't watched long stretches of news coverage for a long time.
And I just put it on in the background.
It was wild.
jordan holmes
What was wild about it?
dan friesen
So boring.
jordan holmes
I can't remember the last time I ever saw it.
I can't remember the last time I watched actual news.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
I didn't realize that...
See, I don't have a TV.
So I don't click onto a TV or anything.
But you can just watch it on YouTube.
They all stream those channels on YouTube, like NBC News and all that.
So I was watching it on there, and it's just really boring.
The analysts are all kind of saying similar things.
So they called it for Trump really early.
jordan holmes
Comically early.
dan friesen
And then NBC, one of their reporters, was talking to DeSantis' media person, and he was just yelling at her about calling it early.
That was a lot of fun, but in terms of high points, that was about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
The rest of it's just kind of...
I was more noticing for production cues.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
So, like, before the caucuses started up, NBC had, like, a reporter who was at one of the caucus poll places.
And so they had the shot of her.
And behind her is the doors, the exit doors.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so the camera follows her as she walks forward.
She walks past a number of people, and then there's just a guy standing there.
And we're like, we talked to this Nikki Haley voter earlier.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's standing there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he was standing there the whole time.
jordan holmes
The whole time.
dan friesen
While the camera moved and walked backwards.
jordan holmes
They staged this, what are we doing?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It was interesting from a production standpoint.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I guess that's what you've got to do to get that elusive Haley voter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it does seem kind of silly.
I would imagine that if you step back as you worked for News and you were really like, okay, this made sense when it was just white men voting, but why are we doing this whole thing to see what 100,000 white dudes think?
And then you know what?
Fuck it.
There's a Haley voter.
Let's do it.
We gotta fill the air with something.
dan friesen
It turns out what the 100,000 white dudes did not think was, I'm into Vivek.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate that they did get at least one quote from somebody that was like, you know, 9-11.
I know exactly what you think.
I knew it!
I knew it!
dan friesen
I didn't see that quote.
unidentified
Shocking.
jordan holmes
It wasn't that, but it might as well have been, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, he underperformed.
I think it's fair to say.
But he performed incredibly well based on the very obvious reason he was running.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a PR stunt.
Which is lying.
So yeah, I was interested to check in and see what Alex's response would be to the caucus, obviously.
Because I think everybody went in with the idea that Trump was going to win.
Right.
The entire conversation that the pundits were having that was all the same, like I was saying, was basically what needs to happen...
For there to make any sense for there even to be primaries is Trump has to be below 50%.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because whoever runs against him and doesn't drop out of the primaries has to be able to make the argument that there is 50% not Trump.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There has to be a collection of all these people that add up to 50%.
Right.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, it really doesn't matter what we think at all.
Yeah, the larger number of people exist outside of us.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that was the interesting thing.
Well, all these people got to team up to get half.
Just the presumption was like, well, Trump might just fuck around and get half.
And he did.
And so Alex's response was, you know, I was interested in, because there's no bluster coming out of this, really.
It's kind of just what people expected.
There's no, like, triumphant...
I guess there's a little triumph to it, but there's no, like...
We overcame.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Or anything.
jordan holmes
There's no, like, the narrative was we weren't gonna come through and we believed in ourselves the whole time.
There's none of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I checked in on the 16th, Tuesday's episode, to see where the ball would land.
jordan holmes
Shitty Tuesday's episode.
dan friesen
We'll get down to business on that, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, start adding timestamps so us listeners can create the Wonk Clips Industrial Complex.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, congrats on the new job as a DC globalist, Rick.
I'll use my Jewish space laser for a celebratory light show.
Love, Hannah.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Corey with a K. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Mikey, enjoy this shout-out.
Please don't tell your mother.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Angel fell in love with Christy on a road trip listening to Knowledge Fight.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So sweet.
So sweet.
Also so tragic.
The idea that our show is a part of people's relationship story.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
jordan holmes
You know, whatever brings people together.
I appreciate it.
You know, imagine every dating app.
You know, if you had to thank everybody in your likes section.
If you got married to that person, you know?
If it was like, oh, we have to send Eve Six a fucking thank you note because we both put liked Eve Six in our profiles, you know?
I don't need to know.
dan friesen
No.
No, but a gift would be nice.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
So we've got a Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Andrew and his band Gears on the upcoming release of their funky, fresh third album, Atlas, in January 2024.
Thank you so much.
You're now a Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I hope that Gears is Grindcore.
jordan holmes
Because you want to grind core their gears?
dan friesen
They're grinding gears.
It's an expression, right?
jordan holmes
So that's how we start.
dan friesen
So here's the episode kicking off.
Forget that bad joke.
Here is where Alex is at.
alex jones
I am sitting here at 11.06 in 16 seconds.
Staring into these cameras in a studio in Central Texas.
dan friesen
He's got to cut it out with a second.
What are we doing?
It's very obnoxious.
alex jones
I'm looking at an image from satellite of our planet.
jordan holmes
That's desperate to fill time.
alex jones
We're 293 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes from the most important election in the world.
dan friesen
No seconds?
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I guess this time he was there.
alex jones
Prosperity and justice and sovereignty versus world war.
Bio-attacks.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Nuclear Armageddon.
And I was just in there at a computer terminal about seven, eight minutes ago writing the headline for the show.
And I can usually do it pretty quick.
Because every day we put a new headline out and a link to the live show at infowars.com.
And I sat there for about three or four minutes and I couldn't come up with a headline alarmist enough.
For what's going on.
dan friesen
I'm usually pretty good at clickbait.
It usually comes pretty natural to me.
But today, I really wanted to overdo it, and I had a tough time.
jordan holmes
I'll be afraid!
dan friesen
I mean, that's basically it.
jordan holmes
With like a lot of Ds.
dan friesen
I couldn't quite find a way to be specific enough in the thing I want you to be afraid of.
So tough.
jordan holmes
It's going to require all of my imagery to really piss you off in such a way as to make you buy my stuff today.
dan friesen
Also a little bit of a tell that he described it as alarmist.
jordan holmes
It does feel like you shouldn't be saying that.
dan friesen
You understand what you're doing, Dick Dong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not the one.
We're supposed to say that about you.
dan friesen
So here is why things are so alarmist.
You've got to fuck the Iowa caucuses.
jordan holmes
Who gives a shit?
Who gives a shit?
alex jones
But in the news, in the Russian news, the Chinese news, the British news, and the U.S. defense news, there are all these documents and articles.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Remember last week the Swedish government that had been in a war in over 200 years?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Has never had Russia attack them.
Their defense minister came out at a public forum and said, we are going to have war with Russia.
It's a foregone conclusion.
And Russia is going to attack us.
Now, Russia for nine years said, we will invade Ukraine if you keep putting NATO troops in there and if you keep attacking Russians that live there, which is the majority.
So Russia was started.
Russia has said 100% we are not going to attack anybody.
We are defensive.
dan friesen
Oh, sounds like you're defensive.
Wow.
I imagine that what Alex means is that Sweden hasn't had a war in Swedish soil.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
In 200 years.
Because they had troops that were in Afghanistan.
jordan holmes
They were, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what he means.
So the context here that Alex is obscuring is that Sweden is most likely joining NATO this year.
So when people like the civil defense minister come out with comments about how they need to be prepared for the possibility that they could become involved in a war, it's if another NATO country is attacked.
jordan holmes
Right.
You understand what the treaty part of the treaty means.
It means if they attack us, we get the benefit of...
dan friesen
He did also say, quote, They don't like it.
This is much more of an issue for Finland, who actually has a border with Russia, but if both countries join NATO, that would be a border that they're both obligated to defend.
Right.
unidentified
On top of this, Sweden signed a cooperative defense agreement with the United States last week that will allow the U.S. to use...
dan friesen
Their domestic military bases.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So some of this stuff is...
I don't know.
Alex is being alarmist, perhaps.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
In this particular situation, it does feel like everybody understands that this is kind of a small aspect of the larger NATO gets, the angrier Putin is because that means that the smaller the theoretical Soviet Union can get.
That's it, you know?
And then, you know, how big or small is how angry everybody is at a given point in time.
dan friesen
Very astute.
So Alex has other headlines surrounding this larger issue, which is war.
He's pretty much obsessed with hypothetical war.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Those people seem to be.
dan friesen
I wanted to hear about the Iowa caucuses, but nope.
Hypothetical war.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The Swedish defense minister said, I've been meeting with the other ministers in NATO and the U.S. and Canada.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Australia.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
War is going to happen.
Well, now the British Defense Ministry has officially come out and said that the path to war is here and that full-scale global war is going to happen in the next year.
jordan holmes
Strange thing for them to say, but bold.
alex jones
Alarmist.
unidentified
A little bit.
alex jones
Full war with Russia as early as next month.
And then they push it out to February next year, a year from now, 13 months.
I have it all right here.
I read all the reports.
But it gets worse.
Leaked German military document that tells countdown to World War III and Germany's official defense policy is that they will be at full war, including nuclear, with the Russians imminently.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Germany, huh?
Go read the Jamie White article.
It's on Infowars.com.
You might want to share it.
dan friesen
Nah.
So do you hear about this?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because it's big.
That's big news.
jordan holmes
I did not know that we were going to be nuclear warring here shortly.
dan friesen
Within weeks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is never specific when he talks about people or sources, except for like...
On his own website.
Right.
Because he just doesn't know what's at the bottom of these, what the primary sources are.
And also because he doesn't want to make it easier for the audience to follow up on the stuff he's saying to give more context.
The British Defense Secretary Alex is referring to as Grant Shapps, who warned the world that we're now in a, quote, pre-war phase.
In his speech, he said, quote, an age of idealism has been replaced by a period of hard-headed realism.
Today, our adversaries are busily rebuilding their barriers.
Old enemies are reanimated.
New foes are taking shape.
Battle lines are being redrawn.
In five years' time, we could be looking at multiple theaters involving Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea.
He didn't predict full-on world war this year, and Alex starts to get his stories mixed up at this point.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's saying that the British minister said that there'd be war as soon as next month, but that's a detail he's pulling from this second story, which he introduces after he says, but it gets worse.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
That dramatic flourish.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
What Alex is doing is a bit of exaggerating and overselling that second story.
This is about an article posted in the German paper Bild, titled, it has to do with a document called Alliance Defense 2025, which is alleged to be a German scenario planning exercise that was leaked to the publication.
Its authenticity hasn't been fully confirmed, but even if it is totally genuine, it doesn't depict some kind of a secret plan to have an all-out war with Russia.
The build article itself is behind a paywall, but I was able to find a breakdown of it and all the details on a website called the European Conservative.
Apparently, there's an inciting incident in this scenario exercise, and that's Putin calling up 200,000 more troops to send to Ukraine in February 2024, which would be next month.
This would lead to victories in strategic positions in Ukraine and an emboldening of Russia's military position.
Russia would then launch hybrid warfare tactics to incite Russian-speaking minorities in the Baltic states, which could be used as a pretext for Russia to send troops there, like the argument went with the Donbass.
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Do you mean they would do that successful thing again?
Crazy.
unidentified
Crazy.
dan friesen
The scenario then involves the building up of arms and missiles into the Kaliningrad region and Belarus with the goal of taking the Suwalki Gap.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a short stretch of land that connects Belarus with Russia's satellite territory on the Baltic Sea, Kaliningrad.
It's this...
The Swalski...
I always want to say Swalski because it sounds more Polish.
jordan holmes
Swalski, but we're Chicago.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's Swalski back!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
dan friesen
The Swalski gap is Polish and Lithuanian land, but it's a short stretch, and if it were seized, Russia would have effectively encircled Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
It'd cut them off from Poland.
It's strategically an interesting place to try and take.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The document imagines Russia using the inevitable chaos that will come with the 2024 U.S. election as cover to begin creating artificial border conflicts at the Suwalki Gap by the end of 2024, which would lead to the replaying of the U.S. Right.
Again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This obviously ratchets up tensions quite a bit with NATO, and they're forced to deploy 300,000 troops on what they call Day X. This exercise doesn't actually say if the result is a full-on war or if the deterrence of the NATO troops de-escalates the situation, but whatever the case, this is not a plan for a war with Russia.
If it is in fact authentic, then it's just the German military's exploration of a possible scenario of how they could play out if certain other things happen.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This is one of the major tricks in the...
Conspiracy theorist playbook.
The use of scenario exercises as declarations of nefarious plans.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I feel like whenever you see this trick being used, it's best to tune out and not listen to the source, because that person is trying to sell you a bill of goods.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's what's going on with Alex here.
I think it's probably even likely, from everything I've been able to tell, that I would go ahead and believe that it is a real scenario exercise from the German military.
Yeah.
But yeah, he's found another scenario exercise to pretend is like the globalist evil plans.
And it's just ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think, you know, before, let me explain a little bit about my history.
You know, when I was growing up, I would watch the anime where they would solve problems with giant mechs battling out, you know, and I would think, ha, that's stupid.
There's no way that things would work that dumb in real life.
But then in real life, they work so much dumber that I think we genuinely have the opportunity now for each country to build a Gundam, alright?
And then every, you know, we have a World Cup!
And whoever's Gundam is the best at the end of the World Cup gets to run the world for the next three years.
And we just keep on rolling it because I'm sick of this whole war shit.
dan friesen
I understand where you're coming from and I think that there's some wisdom in it.
But I also think that you're not taking into account that then there would just be like subterfuge and espionage wars trying to...
jordan holmes
Ah, see, now, but that is what I'm taking into account.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
All of those people should be the ones, they're affected by it.
They're the ones doing all the subterfuge.
In this, in the real world, all those people who are like, ah, let's do subterfuge, they kill regular people like you and me who aren't in, who aren't part of their shit.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
You know, like, oh, they're subterfuge- Instead, they would just be attacking the Gundam makers of another country.
jordan holmes
Who fucking cares?
unidentified
Cheers!
jordan holmes
You guys are all doing that.
It's your game.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
You have fun.
dan friesen
In that case, I think it's probably a gigantic suck of public resources, but so is war.
So what are you going to do?
So you got this whole thing where Germany is declaring the plans of how we're going to get into a nuclear war with Russia imminently.
Yeah.
But in reality, China's the real enemy.
And then Alex gets lost in thought.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
China's the big enemy other than the globalists because...
They have the Uyghurs in the camps.
They sell the political resistance organs.
They were set up by the New World Order to dominate us.
Now, they broke in with the Anglo-American establishment.
And every time I say that, I see on X, fools go, he's attacking the white people again.
No, I'm not Joy Reid.
That's the name of what King Charles calls himself.
That's the old official name of the British Empire.
Merged with the Dutch Empire, the European Continental System, and the United States.
That's what they call themselves in their own documents.
That's their official title.
So when Putin addresses them, he says, the Anglo-Americans.
Sometimes the ignorance level is just stunning.
Oh, there goes Jones blaming the white people again.
jordan holmes
It truly is stunning.
alex jones
Joy Reid!
jordan holmes
Sometimes the ignorance level.
alex jones
God help us.
I just actually know the political names.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
Can you imagine a person who's listening to Alex's show and being like, he's too tough on white people?
jordan holmes
I love the idea of making up my own non-existent criticism that is the least...
Of all the low bars to make up for yourself to cross, the one that you're the champion at is ridiculous.
dan friesen
I loved that.
jordan holmes
That's Jackie Joyner-Kersey being like, okay, it's me versus this turtle.
Like, what are we doing?
All right?
You compete against somebody who's the best at it, like you, you know?
dan friesen
Everybody says that I'm too tough on the white people.
I blame white people for everything.
jordan holmes
You are the champion not tough on white people.
You are the lord of not being tough on white people.
dan friesen
Oh, just because I use terms like Anglo-Saxon.
Anglo-American.
jordan holmes
Who in God's name is that?
dan friesen
It can't possibly be.
jordan holmes
Here comes Alex going in on white people again.
dan friesen
It's a broken record over here.
Can't stop.
jordan holmes
They created everything and are the best.
dan friesen
I fucking understand if someone's saying you are like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, me.
dan friesen
You.
jordan holmes
That's what I do.
dan friesen
You deserve that criticism.
jordan holmes
That's why I was born.
dan friesen
Alex, on the other hand, ridiculous.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So, um, what about Alex?
Alex is reading off all his headlines, right?
jordan holmes
In what world does he even see a tweet like that?
From who?
And you know it's Alex!
Here's how crazy Alex is.
You know somebody tweeted something stupid like that, and Alex saw it and was like, I am being too hard on white people.
He took that criticism to heart.
dan friesen
Or it's, um, I guess I could see it being, like, a fundamental misunderstanding of things that, like, hardcore Nazis think about him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
You know, maybe that, maybe there is some kind of a criticism.
That's just like you're not Nazi enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not Nazi enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, slightly different criticism.
jordan holmes
Being too hard on white people and being not Nazi enough are very similar.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's going through his headlines.
I thought this headline was absurd.
Just a ridiculous thing to be in the stacks.
alex jones
Here's another big RT headline.
Globalists lack supporters, but they have the nukes, says Alex Jones.
Really powerful 23-minute interview.
It's up on Infowars.com.
With yours truly.
I got it.
All right, so I'm going to read these articles on air coming up at the bottom of the hour.
I'm going to give everybody a chance to email and text their friends and family and neighbors and strangers or acquaintances and tell them, text a stranger.
You need to hear about Total War and how we stop it.
So you've got about 16, 17 minutes until we're back from that segment.
I'm going to hit other news that ties into it now.
But please ask everybody to tune in because that's how we overpower the system.
It's an information war.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we got Alex in the stack of headlines is an interview that he did with RT.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Powerful interview.
dan friesen
Powerful.
That's a dubious thing to have in the stack, I think.
I think it's okay to be like, hey, check out, I did an interview with RT.
I think that's fine.
But when it's in your list of headlines, it's a little bit...
A little bit shitty.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
And then you get the introduction of, I'm gonna read this article.
And I always love when I hear that, because I think that this ain't gonna happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is too boring for Alex.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate the idea of Alex saying over the radio...
Don't text someone a link to an article.
Text somebody a link to me reading the article to them.
dan friesen
Or not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
More than likely not.
jordan holmes
Very much not.
dan friesen
So Alex has to kill a little time before he gets to that point where he's going to read the article.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So yeah, he's just an alarmist.
alex jones
How are these insane globalists going to get this done?
jordan holmes
Alarmingly?
alex jones
Well, they have to first secure the country with the weapons and the resources for all of this because you're not going to like the national draft.
The Democrats are openly saying they're getting ready to bring back.
You're not going to like your daughters because we have equity now.
We have equality now.
I hate my daughters.
Women are going to get drafted for the robot wars that are already started.
jordan holmes
Women fighting robots?
alex jones
It's an old talking point, but now it's gone from a drumbeat to a cacophonous finale.
jordan holmes
That doesn't even make sense.
You just lost it.
alex jones
A crescendo of...
White people are the problem.
White people are inherently evil.
Every problem is white people.
Being white is inherently a crime.
That's taught in all the major universities.
See the university heads defending it.
That's just what they're doing.
And it's all CIA, globalist run, for total divide and conquer.
dan friesen
This guy's too hard on white people.
jordan holmes
That is taught in all the major universities.
dan friesen
I've got to be honest.
This guy needs to give white people a break.
jordan holmes
I mean, if anybody needs to give white people a break, it is this guy right here.
dan friesen
So the globalists have their plans, their evil plans.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And World War III and all this that they're trying to do, and they're going to pull this off.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And eventually they're going to get their draft in so women can fight the robot wars.
And in order to do all of this, it is essential to demonize white people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They must make white people look bad.
In order to get to World War III robot wars with women.
jordan holmes
If I were in a college where they were teaching me that, I would say, this seems implausible.
I would raise my hand and I would say, this seems like an implausible series of events that you are describing to me.
But, since you're in a university, I guess I have to believe it.
dan friesen
But, I mean, like, you don't know what goes on in a university.
They just say white people are bad.
jordan holmes
I really don't.
dan friesen
Write it down on the paper.
Write it down?
White people are bad?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I love the...
dan friesen
Here is the test.
The final.
In an economics class.
jordan holmes
In an economics class, okay.
dan friesen
Who's bad?
White people.
jordan holmes
White people's the answer.
dan friesen
Tell me once again, who's bad?
jordan holmes
Who's bad?
dan friesen
White people.
That's the whole final.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I like, the more I think about the conservative and right-wing viewpoint towards universities, the more I love that absurd idea of how powerful they are.
You know, that combination of fascists, you know, they're so powerful and then they're easy to defeat at the same time.
Right.
unidentified
That idea of how powerful they can brainwash anyone.
jordan holmes
these universities, how powerfully they can brainwash people as compared to, like, remembering what it was like when I was in college.
And, like, the idea...
They could have said anything to me and I would have been like, I don't fucking care.
What are you talking about?
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that colleges are only brainwashing in the sense of if you want to confine information.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you'll be exposed to all kinds of things that are different than maybe you believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so if you want to keep someone in a box, then yeah, absolutely.
College is a brainwashing.
They're brainwashing you to not be washed brain-wise.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I lost track of that sentence.
jordan holmes
That brainwashing is like, if you meet a bunch of people who aren't exactly like the people you know, you'll be like, oh, everybody's people.
And that is very threatening to people who are like, they are not everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is true.
So, Alex complains about Joy Reid a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right on time.
dan friesen
And then has a weird complaint about breastfeeding.
jordan holmes
Sure!
alex jones
Joy Reid has a meltdown over Trump and Iowa caucuses, smears white Christians as racist.
In two different videos and says, whiteness is the problem.
Meanwhile, this woman's like a clown demon.
dan friesen
Clown demon.
alex jones
And then she's got her blonde hair, her cultural appropriation, which I think is fine for her to have blonde hair.
It's hilarious.
jordan holmes
I think that sentence means the opposite.
alex jones
Cornrows are blacks.
It's called appropriation.
White people have been braiding their hair since white people existed.
Same thing with black people.
jordan holmes
It's so hard on white people.
alex jones
It's just all mental illness.
dan friesen
It's layoff.
alex jones
I forgot to do it.
I forgot.
Major leftist organizations, universities, come out and say, like the government has come out, and said breastfeeding is bad and racist.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Yeah, that's why mammals have breasts and breastfeed.
That's what you know a mammal by.
A mammal has hair, a mammal is warm-blooded, and a mammal breastfeeds its young.
But again, they're just assailing logic, science, common sense, while saying they're the science.
Like, there's no X and Y chromosomes now.
Bill Guy the Science Guy says they don't teach that now.
jordan holmes
Bill Guy the Science Guy.
alex jones
Because if you know about science, you won't want Bayer Pharmaceutical that knowingly put out tens of millions of doses of factor VIII blood clotting compound in the 80s and 90s.
And when their own documents came out in court, they sat around and bragged and said, well, there are too many hemophiliacs.
Let's just kill them.
There it is.
Slavery and racism.
That's the Washington Post.
Drive a toxic double standard about breastfeeding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's one from a few years ago.
No, there's a federal government.
It was in my stack here.
A federal agency's come out and said they've got to stop it.
It's bad.
And so they eventually outlawed after six months.
unidentified
No.
Stop it.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Because it's racist.
Saying it's good because it keeps women out of the workforce.
How dare you stay with your baby?
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sakes.
alex jones
But I'm digressing.
dan friesen
You are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
So we'll discuss what Joy Reid did or didn't say whenever Alex gets to that clip.
Right.
That breastfeeding stuff is really interesting to me.
He starts ranting about how the globalists and the government are saying that breastfeeding is racist.
And so to try to back him up, the crew starts Googling to figure out what headline Alex could possibly be talking about.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That must be what's going on.
People are frantically trying to figure out what the fuck he's talking about.
dan friesen
Right, in order to put something up on the screen to back him up.
The best they can do is this Washington Post headline from last year, or maybe two years ago, somewhere in there.
Slavery and racism drive a toxic double standard about breastfeeding.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That article is an interesting discussion of how during slavery times, enslaved black women were often used as wet nurses for the white enslavers' children to the detriment of their own ability to breastfeed their own children.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
This is an article that's largely just boiling down the content of Andrea Freeman's book, Skimmed, Breastfeeding Race and Injustice.
It deals with the legacy of slavery, how that affected people even after slavery was abolished, how the formula industry targeted the black community, and how institutional dynamics were...
Alex is welcome to dispute any of that stuff, but I'm sure he'd just rather read a headline and scoff.
No one is saying that breastfeeding's racist.
There's just legacies of a racist history that intersect with breastfeeding, and these legacies are worth analyzing to see how we can work toward a better future for everybody.
I wonder if he's going to find that mysterious headline ever, though, of how the government says...
Breastfeeding's racist and you must stop.
We gotta outlaw it.
We gotta outlaw it.
jordan holmes
What is so annoying and is so powerful about Alex's bullshit is that it is like, oh, they're just hating on white people.
Everything they say, everything they say is how much white people are bad.
And it's like, it's so over the top that it obscures a very true, extremely over the top fact, which is that slavery touched everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Slavery touched everything.
100% of things.
There were zero things that were not touched by slavery.
That is an extreme thing.
But he's like, oh, it's just everybody hates white people.
And it's like, no, you need to be aware of how it works.
dan friesen
So many of the things that it did touch have ripples that are underexamined even when we examine greatly.
Exactly.
There's a ton of stuff that the conversation...
It hasn't really even reached the fruition yet, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, every time you magnify a thousand times, you're like, holy shit, what if I magnify another thousand times?
And it's even more racist down there!
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex is tough on white people.
So, he brought up Bayer in that last clip while he was dancing around.
And that Factor 8 thing we've talked about in the past, he's a little bit off on it, but it is still corporate malfeasance.
Right, right, right.
But he had a thought he was going to get to, and then he kind of got distracted.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he gets back to Bayer here.
alex jones
I didn't get into Bayer.
I'm sorry.
The people that brought you the Deadly Factor 8 products, they're modifying, and so's Bill Gates.
They're all doing it.
Soil microbes, they say, will take over the world's soil.
Get this, so plants don't need nitrogen anymore.
So it's a way to bomb and destroy the soil of the planet.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
That seems different.
It will probably cause giant dust bowls like we see in the Andromeda strain and in Interstellar, but for real.
And they say that's okay.
They're going ahead and spreading it everywhere to change how the soil operates completely.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
A bear?
jordan holmes
Can they do all soil?
alex jones
You know, it's those plentiful gas in the atmosphere.
dan friesen
They have an agricultural wing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
If they name everything that's life-giving as evil, they get to be in charge of all the life-giving stuff and then curtail it and control it.
But their real mission at a satanic spiritual level is destruction of all life on the planet.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
And so they are a weapon system activated by El Diablo.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
When you study them, they even believe they're channeling.
Off-world entities that give them all these great ideas.
dan friesen
No, you do.
alex jones
None of them are atheists.
They are Satanists.
And they're being promised to become gods.
If they kill everything on the planet, they will be uploaded to a Megamind machine and travel the universe forever.
You go, wait, that's childhood's end.
Well, you've all Noah Harari and a bunch of them came out the WF and said, actually, humans are just bad.
We're going to end war by getting rid of your bodies and uploading you to machines.
You're like, that's crazy.
Uh, yeah.
It's the same transmission.
jordan holmes
You're having a great argument with yourself.
alex jones
Since he wrote Childhood's End back in the 60s.
jordan holmes
Really making that idiot sound stupid.
alex jones
It was his first big novel.
Arthur C. Clarke was a big occultist.
jordan holmes
Well, that's true.
alex jones
He had the Jeffrey Epstein type proclivities for underage boys.
And he was MI6, OSS before that, the inventor of the telecommunications satellite.
The Russians first launched one, Sputnik.
He was the inventor of it.
jordan holmes
What is happening right now?
alex jones
Channeling this message of loving 10-foot tall red devils that come to Earth and dissolve our children's souls up into a big pyramid spaceship.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
Very nice people.
And you're like, well, that's just a movie.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
You can't say that.
dan friesen
Almost nothing Alex said in that entire clip is true, except for that possibly Arthur C. Clarke was a pedophile.
That might be true, but the rest of this is just lunacy.
jordan holmes
I don't believe he invented the satellite.
I'm fairly certain of that.
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a second.
jordan holmes
I strongly believe he did not.
dan friesen
So the Bayer Initiative that Alex is talking about is just, it's actually exploring ways to harness microbes to make soil more able to engage in nitrogen fixation, where the soil takes the nitrogen in the air and converts it into a form that...
It's usable as food by the plants.
jordan holmes
Right, so reading comprehension is tough.
dan friesen
For Alex, impossible.
jordan holmes
Very difficult.
dan friesen
They're trying to solve problems around diminishing soil quality around the world.
I guess Alex's solution is do nothing and hope for the best.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so in order to try and avoid the interstellar...
Scenarios that Alex is thinking about.
He would prefer to rush headlong towards the interstellar scenarios that Alex is thinking about.
dan friesen
It is strange, the resistance to things that have promise of helping solve a very big problem.
I understand that whenever you have anything like this, there's the specter of something going wrong and how cataclysmic.
You can make it out to be because of fantasies that you have from sci-fi novels and what have you.
jordan holmes
Maybe too many.
dan friesen
But introducing some kind of a microbe or something like that is not that different than some kind of new fertilizer or whatever.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not...
Alex is a little alarmist, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
So you all know Harari didn't say that shit, and Childhood's End is a work of fiction.
It's absolutely not true that Clark invented the telecommunications satellite.
So he wrote a paper about some of his theoretical ideas about a kind of satellite in 1945, a good eight years before Childhood's End was published.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex said it was after.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then the folks who would go on to develop telecommunication satellites didn't know about his writing on the subject, and their model worked fundamentally different from how he came up with it.
But, you know, he was an inventor, and he came up with some weird ideas.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
dan friesen
Alex just wants to pretend that Clark invented telecommunication satellites because that helps to solidify this idea that the devil was giving him the means to invent this so the devil could reach more people.
jordan holmes
I always forget that behind Arthur C. Clark is the fucking devil.
dan friesen
The narrative and story that Alex wants to tell is that Childhood's End is actually non-fiction, so there's no point in letting pesky details and facts get in the way of that kind of fun.
So yeah, like, Arthur C. Clark...
He got messages from the devil, and then the story of Childhood's End is basically him putting that story of his own experience into a dramatized novel format, and that's how he invented the telecommunication satellite, which is used to shoot rays at people so the demons can talk to them.
jordan holmes
Okay, now, I know that seems silly.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
But what I will throw out is that...
If Arthur C. Clarke...
Okay.
Rewrite history real quick.
Arthur C. Clarke finds himself in Southern California in prison so that one Carrie Cassidy gets to meet with him once every couple of months with her little pencil, we would have so much better episodes!
dan friesen
I don't think so.
Because I still believe that Carrie's making up most of it herself.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's fair.
dan friesen
So I think that even if she went and saw Arthur C. Clarke, it would just be...
jordan holmes
Yeah, do you know what would happen?
Arthur C. Clarke would get wind of it, and he'd be like, that's not what I wrote.
It'd be a mess.
Oh, God.
Way to ruin everything, real life.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I wish it was more like Interstellar.
dan friesen
Well, you'll enjoy this clip, then.
alex jones
If they could just get us straight to nuclear war, that's probably the best thing they want.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
See, the aliens get us to kill ourselves.
And notice when I talk about this, the media never makes jokes about this.
unidentified
We do.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure we do.
alex jones
Because, you know, I talk to top generals and all the people, and they're like, oh, yes, that's what the Pentagon believes as well, yes.
Everybody knows that there's interdimensional forces.
We're being influenced.
Now Tucker Carlson talks about it.
dan friesen
He got attacked by a demon.
alex jones
The invasion comes through subspace interdimensional communication systems.
And, of course, you know dark matter is five times more powerful in its...
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
Gravity.
jordan holmes
Don't even know.
alex jones
We call our own dimension.
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
alex jones
And that is the higher dimensions.
jordan holmes
Stop now.
alex jones
Bleeding in.
There's a force five times stronger holding all of this in place artificially.
The entire universe.
unidentified
You see?
dan friesen
You see?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the Iowa caucuses happen.
jordan holmes
All right.
So five times stronger than the higher dimension.
dan friesen
Dark matter.
jordan holmes
Dark matter.
All right.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You got aliens.
The Pentagon knows this.
These interdimensional demons are coming to attack Tucker Carlson.
jordan holmes
It's smarter.
dan friesen
You use a telekinesis to throw him onto the ceiling.
jordan holmes
I'm going to throw this out at you.
I'm going to throw this out at you.
dan friesen
Poltergeist.
jordan holmes
It is not smarter to let us kill each other because if you look at the way we're doing it, we're taking the earth with us.
If I'm aliens that's trying to keep the stuff here, I kill humans without harming the stuff.
dan friesen
Well, but here's where you're wrong.
jordan holmes
Humans harm the stuff!
dan friesen
Here's where you're wrong and you're stupid.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
I'm willing to believe that.
dan friesen
Who's to say that aliens, the transdimensional demons or whatever, who's to say that they don't thrive in a destroyed environment?
Who's to say that they don't breathe sulfur air or something like that?
Who's to say?
jordan holmes
Then the most reasonable thing to do would be to show up over here and learn at our feet as to how to create the most awful environment.
dan friesen
You can't prove that's not what's happening.
alex jones
I can't.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
I think we've just explained how that rat guy existed on Captain Planet.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What dimension are we in?
unidentified
Fourth.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
alex jones
This is the third dimension.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
alex jones
This is the first dimension of matter.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
alex jones
This is the lowest level other than the chaos gods.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Shut the fuck up!
jordan holmes
Oh, chaos!
Go away!
alex jones
So you see that in culture everywhere.
People say, well, Jones must be a warhammer.
So you never even knew what it was.
That's everything he says.
Because that's what it is, folks.
jordan holmes
The thing that you don't know about?
alex jones
And you're going to figure it out real fast.
unidentified
That there is a spirit attacking us.
alex jones
There is a transmission blasting through into our universe.
And its message is, when you take the DMT and the government facilities, it's all come out, is they talk to these aliens, and all the aliens do is say, you'll live forever, join us, upload yourself to the machine, but first, you've got to kill everybody.
You've got to kill everybody.
You've got to depopulate everybody.
You've got to kill.
You've got to kill.
jordan holmes
So is that DeSantis, then?
alex jones
You've got to kill.
So you sit back, you know, none of this is logical.
This is insane.
And it's because they are evil spirits.
They are demon-possessed.
They are resonating.
When you look at a Bill Gates or a Fauci, they have that evil look.
Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow, they're on the bad guy's team.
The Bible's real, folks.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're demon-possessed.
All the people who disagree with Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I've been thinking about how hard Alex has swung into this kind of a storyline with his content, and I think that what's going on is that his old shit just isn't interesting anymore, and he's desperate to find a way to excite the audience, to be alarmist enough.
In a world where there's QAnon and Trump runs around saying the stupidest shit, do you think Alex would be able to keep any kind of an audience?
If he was just complaining about the Trans-Texas Corridor or how three Congress members created the Federal Reserve under the cloak of night?
jordan holmes
It was a road, remember?
That was the biggest problem we had for such a long time.
dan friesen
It was a scary road.
jordan holmes
It was a big road!
dan friesen
That stuff was enticing back then, but conspiracy content has become so extreme that the audience is just desensitized.
I know Alex has oxygen deficiencies and probably has hallucinatory dreams fairly regularly, but that didn't make him do shit like this in 2005 or 2006.
This truly is who he is and what he believes, and he was able to keep a lid on it remarkably well for a long time.
I just can't believe that some, maybe most of the motivation for this stuff is not that his old conspiracy framework got boring.
Like, that has to be a part of it.
The FEMA camps didn't come, even after the supposedly draconian response of the government that they had to COVID.
Rex 84 isn't sexy anymore.
Arguing that the 16th Amendment didn't get ratified on a ridiculous technicality so you don't have to pay taxes.
jordan holmes
We were so close.
dan friesen
It's kind of dull.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There have always been layers to Alex's conspiracies.
Like, there are world leaders who are on one level.
And above them are the Bilderberg Group.
And above them are the Federal Reserve.
And above them are the Rothschilds and other unnamed powerful bloodlines that control everything from behind the scenes.
That's all good and well, and that conspiracy onion can theoretically have more layers to it if you need to add them.
Once you get to the point where the devil is employing demons you can only access by doing DMT to tell you you can live forever if you kill everyone, which explains all of your enemy's behavior.
Well, there's nowhere to go, really.
When you play the devil card, you're really at the core of the onion.
There's no way to one day decide that there's actually a group of evil Democrats who the devil reports to, who are the real power players.
You're kind of stuck.
This is a dead end for Alex, and I think on some level he knows it.
Things got more extreme in the conspiracy world, and he went chasing an audience.
Now he's gone down that road, and you can't really go home again without boring the vast majority of your audience, so you have to keep the sci-fi storytelling going, and that's how we end up with this kind of shit.
What I'm saying is that no matter what happens to him through bankruptcy or any of that stuff, there's no next act for Alex.
If he wants to maintain anyone's attention, he's going to need to be fighting a supernatural war against demons pretty much forever.
This is his life now.
jordan holmes
I am going to throw this out at you.
I'm not saying that this is perfect, but I'm coming to the thought that maybe if we track the escalation of the Marvel movies with the escalation of Alex's cosmology, We'll find a parallel that's so compelling.
Both of them start early on.
Let's face it, 9-11 shit, right?
Iron Man, Alex, both of them are racists.
And then the movies happen.
Thanos, that's Trump.
I think that catches us up to there.
dan friesen
Wait, but Thanos...
jordan holmes
And then now we're in the post-Thanos era where it's like, we don't really know what to do.
We've escalated too far.
The last guy was going to destroy half the universe.
What's the next guy going to do?
Mess up the parking meter situation in Chicago?
dan friesen
I don't think they run concurrent timelines, but they have the same trend.
They have the same problem, which is, wait, we already stopped the end of the world.
What now?
Alex can't possibly defeat the devil.
jordan holmes
No, he has to do...
It's time for a gritty reboot.
It's time for a gritty reboot of...
Conspiracy!
dan friesen
It will have to be somebody who's really more rational and comes to prominence and takes down Alex for all of this stuff and how unhinged and disconnected from reality it is.
jordan holmes
We need a Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse to break up the monotony of all this Marvel bullshit.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
If there were multiversal Alexes...
unidentified
Well, considering a...
dan friesen
I think that some of this probably has to do with supplements and stuff.
I think maybe his supplements aren't good for him.
Maybe he takes brain force and what have you.
And his drinking escalated clearly at some point.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would be nice.
It would be nice just as a thing to tell your kids about.
All of those unlicensed, unexamined, not FDA-regulated products did kill Alex in a combination of terrible, you know, side effects over the years.
Just as a way to be like, hey, here's why you have the FDA look itself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The FDA does this because look at Alex.
He went to the individual space.
dan friesen
He ended up completely boxing himself into a demon war.
He can't get out of.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I just think about that.
Brain force.
It's such a bummer.
It's such a bummer to be...
jordan holmes
To be locked in a demon war?
dan friesen
To imagine that, yeah.
Because, like, honestly, think about this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If he is, like, you know, he hated the Rockefellers.
David Rockefeller was a big bad guy.
unidentified
Hated him.
dan friesen
David Rockefeller died.
jordan holmes
Dead.
dan friesen
Alex hates Soros.
Eventually Soros is going to die.
jordan holmes
He's not going to last forever.
dan friesen
He hates Klaus Schwab.
Eventually that's going to go away.
They're old.
You know, he hates the Bilderberg group and shit like that.
Those could disband.
Those could end.
They could stop holding meetings.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex could claim that as some kind of a victory.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He can't beat the devil.
jordan holmes
No, that's kind of part of his...
dan friesen
The devil doesn't exist.
unidentified
And if he did, Alex can't beat him.
jordan holmes
There's a very specific...
Only one entity that can defeat the devil.
It's kind of canon.
dan friesen
And Alex...
unidentified
How are you going to do this?
jordan holmes
How are you going to pull this one out?
dan friesen
So the devil doesn't exist, first of all.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But second of all...
jordan holmes
You're offending a lot of people!
dan friesen
If the devil does exist, and Alex is able to vanquish him, he is the most important person who has ever lived in the history of all time.
jordan holmes
And we should all give up everything, any moral aspect, any disagreement we may have, because everything is secondary to helping Alex defeat the devil, regardless of Alex's own personal character.
dan friesen
And honestly, if Alex does...
Defeat the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There will be a demarcation in time.
There will have to be another ADBC kind of situation.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
The second coming of Christ would be Alex Jones.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I will come with a sword of fire, my man.
And that is Alex goddamn Jones.
dan friesen
So he has that to live up to.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or else his content's gonna stagnate.
jordan holmes
It's gonna be rough.
dan friesen
So he's stuck there.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know.
dan friesen
He's either the second coming of Christ, or he's just gonna be kind of a boring sci-fi, um, stochastic terrorist type.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, he really needs to get back to his roots, you know?
Before, back when Superman could only leap tall buildings.
He couldn't even fly back in the day.
He could just jump real high.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.
jordan holmes
Nah, I doubt it.
dan friesen
So, um, the devil.
jordan holmes
What about him?
dan friesen
He has some tricks.
Sure.
alex jones
God isn't even one electron away.
God is all in you, around you, but you've got to connect to it.
I'm not saying we're God.
God made all of this.
unidentified
God is in everything, everywhere, at all times.
alex jones
Except destruction of innocence and free will, and consciously going against God and murdering children, God removes himself from those spaces.
And that's why evil does the rituals and does the bad things, because it's like chemistry or like mathematics or like it is quantum mechanics.
God removes his energy field from those areas where that's happening, and that's why everything is cursed when you allow evil to be carried out, because God starts withdrawing his energy field.
jordan holmes
Do the quantum mechanics curse you?
alex jones
And then the evil can operate in those areas with a freer hand.
So it's all about, just like you go into a military attack and the enemy's got jammers that jam your radar and jam your missiles, all the rest of it.
The devil gets you to commit all this evil and to refuse God and reject the Holy Spirit so that he can set up his jamming operation and get full control.
And if Satan gets full control over our governments, the second, because God's holding him back, Instantly, they'll fire the missiles from the satellites.
They'll fire the missiles from the submarines.
They'll fire the missiles from their bases.
I mean, the minute Satan gets control, control of one government that has nuclear weapons, instantly they're fired.
That's why the Bible says if God didn't intervene, no flesh would be spared on the earth.
Now you learn Xi Jinping has fired hundreds and hundreds of generals, sometimes eight, nine, ten a day.
Because he's ordered them to do psychotic stuff, and they've said, no.
You're relieved of command.
unidentified
You couldn't get through eight or ten a day before you'd have to just conclude.
alex jones
So the minute Satan gets full control...
dan friesen
This is all fun, but it doesn't really mean anything.
jordan holmes
It is not fun!
It is not fun!
It's bad world building!
dan friesen
I mean that dismissively, like it's all fun and games, you know, it's all good and well.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Just good, clean fun.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
So Xi's been firing a lot of the folks in the military, particularly in the rocket force, but there's no indication it was because they refused to do horrible things.
U.S. intelligence assessed that it was because of rampant corruption uncovered by a push that was being made to modernize China's military.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
One example that was given was that it was found that rockets were filled with water instead of fuel, presumably to skim money.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And upkeep expenses.
And so that's kind of what's going on with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Xi is getting rid of these people for...
We're agreeing to do terrible things for money.
dan friesen
Anyway, the rest of that clip is just kind of unhinged rambling.
So I thought I would touch on the one place where it intersected with the real world.
unidentified
Good call.
dan friesen
But I think this is...
So if I understand correctly, the devil, he gets you to do these bad things like kill a child or something.
Because that temporarily makes God be like, I'm out of here.
Fuck this.
Fuck this.
I'm out of here.
And then...
Satan can come in and install a jammer so God can't come back.
Because there's an electromagnetic jamming signal that God can't come back in.
This is not how I understand grace.
Right.
God's love.
This is not how I understand any of those things.
unidentified
I didn't realize that Alex is such a prequels guy.
jordan holmes
For the devil so hated the world, he jammed God's only son.
All right?
And, uh, yeah.
It's about how it goes.
dan friesen
I find this such a sad kind of way to approach this stuff.
Because, you know, in the same way that people were disappointed with the prequels, because midichlorians makes the Force not fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You have this attempt to try and turn God's ability to do things into, like, an electromagnetic field or something like that.
God is God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is...
You know, one of the things about blasphemy is that it's not so much like that idea of like, oh, goddammit, is blasphemy.
It is that by trying to discuss God, you naturally confine him.
There's no way, you know, him obviously being a confinement in and of itself.
Right.
unidentified
That idea of him.
jordan holmes
You're confining something that by definition tells you, don't fucking confine me, you idiot.
That kind of thing.
And so the more you do it, the more stupid you sound.
And then you have a religion.
dan friesen
And then you end up talking about jammers.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
But anyway, he's having a good day.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the Iowa caucuses happened.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that.
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
I can't believe they did anymore.
I no longer believe it.
dan friesen
Literally.
The only coverage we get of it is this next clip where Alex plays some clips of people talking about the voting.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
Let's dive into the home front and Trump's magnificent win in Iowa, 50-plus percent of the vote against four other candidates.
Vivek Ramaswani wisely has ended his campaign to join forces and support Trump.
jordan holmes
You can't sound like you're a regular radio show right now.
God damn it.
alex jones
The worst among them, of course, being Birdbrain, Nikki Haley, and her...
Merry band of neocon warmongers.
So, what did Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow and all of them do?
They did this on CNN, too, and on MSNBC.
They came out and said, the problem is the white people.
Here it is.
joy reid
But, you know, I feel like the important sort of data point, and, you know, Steve talks about it a lot, he's going to probably talk about it a little more tonight, is that these are white Christians.
That this is a state that is overrepresented by white Christians that are going to participate in these conferences, especially tonight.
I, earlier today, reached out to Robert Jones, Robbie Jones, from the Public Religion Research Institute, knowing that we were going to talk about Iowa.
And this is a hyper-evangelical white state.
And he said the following to me.
Iowa is about 61% white Christian.
The country as a whole is approximately 41% white Christian.
And in Iowa, we're talking about evangelical white Christians.
And he said the following.
Because I asked him, what do they get out of supporting Donald Trump?
Because he keeps losing, he keeps delivering losses and losses and losses.
And he said the following.
They see themselves as the rightful inheritors of this country.
And Trump has promised to give it back to them.
All the things that we think about, about electability, about, you know, what are people gaming out, none of that matters when you believe that God has given you this country, that it is yours, and that everyone who is not a white conservative Christian is a fraudulent American, is a less real American, then you don't care about electability.
And I think to the point that you made, Steph, I mean, it's the elephant in the room.
She's still a brown lady.
That's got to try to win in a party that is deeply anti-immigrant and which accepts the notion that you can say immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.
She's getting, you know, birthered by Donald Trump.
And I don't care how much the donor class likes her, which will ramp up a lot, the better she does in New Hampshire.
So it's still a challenge.
I don't see how she becomes the nominee of that party with Donald Trump still around.
I can't picture it happening.
Maybe it could happen.
Ron DeSantis is only...
rachel maddow
The big picture takeaway from that, and I don't mean to be, again, too dark, as you said, on this, but it is not, if we are worried about the rise of authoritarianism in this country, we are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country.
We're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government.
The leader who is trying to do that is part of that equation.
unidentified
But people wanting that is a much bigger part of that equation.
rachel maddow
And the American electorate is made up of two major parties.
One of those parties has been flirting with extremism on the ultra-right for a very long time.
They've brought them in in a way that they haven't been central to Republican electoral politics ever before.
unidentified
And I know because I've been studying this.
rachel maddow
But once you have radicalized one major party so that those are the preferences of the people.
alex jones
People who adhere to your party.
joy reid
The leaders are interchangeable.
And yes, Trumpism is sometimes what we call it.
MAGA movement is probably a better way to do it.
rachel maddow
But there is an authoritarian movement inside Republican politics that isn't being bamboozled by Trump.
They are pushing Trump to get more and more extreme because the more extreme things he says...
joy reid
The more they adhere to it.
rachel maddow
And that is coming from a very large proportion of the American right that adheres to the Republican Party.
And that's why this is a Republican Party problem more than it is the problem of one man and his leader.
alex jones
All right, so I'm sorry to subject you to those people's voices, but it's got to be done.
Everything they say is them.
They are racially basing everything.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
I thought you would agree with most of that.
alex jones
And they're bringing people in and saying we're going to outnumber the white people and we're going to have them identify racially.
And they're destroying the melting pot and trying to get people to not accept and adopt American values.
dan friesen
So I have a couple points to make about this.
But the first thing I want to note is how after the clip's played, you can sense Alex is having a tough time getting the ball rolling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's because this was supposed to be a compilation of what, you know, white people, they're talking about white people being evil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then that last part, the Rachel Maddow section, had nothing to do with that at all.
jordan holmes
It didn't.
dan friesen
Alex knows that he needs to do some kind of a trick in order to get this back on the path he wanted to be on since the package was poorly edited together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's where the I'm rubber, you're glued.
Type of response kicks in there.
So first off, Alex says that it was wise of Vivek to drop out, but I thought the whole point, it was important to have him running, you gotta have another America First guy in there in case they kill Trump.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
I thought that was the whole game.
jordan holmes
Whatever, wisely he did it, fine.
dan friesen
I thought it was critical to have him in the race to help push the conversation in extremist directions when Trump is unable to.
I guess that was all just shit-talking, and now that Vivek has dropped his farce of a campaign off to beg for another job in the Trump campaign, or maybe a high-paying job in the right-wing media, Alex can...
Second, none of these clips are saying anything about white people being bad.
The first one's kind of close, but it's about the appeal of Trump to white evangelicals, part of which is that there is a belief that he will make a country more in line with their white evangelical demands.
This is pretty hard to argue.
Obviously, there's more of the appeal than just that, like his support of Israel, but the idea that Trump would push for a government that codified their religious beliefs into law is a massive appeal that he has to the evangelical set.
The white Christian population is most relevant in this conversation because they're talking about Iowa.
And they explained the demographics in that clip, even.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, and it is important.
It is super, super important within the context of all of these dumb conversations that those people had on the TV, is that when I was in, like, fourth grade, I learned about Manifest Destiny as a super awesome good thing.
A super positive, awesome, this is why America's super cool thing.
It is not as though this generation of people is like, where did they get the idea that they own this country from the fucking soul?
We were all raised that way.
dan friesen
And those sorts of ideas intersected with Christianity for us growing up.
It's not something that is a foreign idea to people who've grown up in religious, especially, I grew up in an evangelical church, and so I experienced a bit of this.
It doesn't seem that weird.
jordan holmes
No, religion, identity, and, you know, it's just fucking too much.
dan friesen
So the second clip is about how Nikki Haley is unelectable in Trump's party, at least partially because she's a non-white woman.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've said that.
dan friesen
I think that's pretty hard to dispute.
jordan holmes
We've said that all over a lot.
dan friesen
I don't know what Alex's complaint is there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that should be something that you're halfway proud of, right?
It's like, hey, guess what?
She'll never get elected.
dan friesen
He called her bird brain at the beginning of the clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, shouldn't you be like, listen, we're too racist for her.
dan friesen
So the third clip is about how the problem of authoritarianism that Trump represents is a broader problem than just one man.
The party allowed in incredibly fringe elements and allowed them to push their agenda into the mainstream platform of the party, and now they're beholden to them.
This has nothing to do with white people being bad, but it is kind of similar to the dynamic I was talking about with Alex and the Democrats.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is that.
dan friesen
You hear this compilation and the way Alex is trying to use it for his narrative, and the only thing you can really come away from it is feeling like Alex is very insecure.
Or more accurately, he understands how making his audience feel insecure, particularly about their identity, is tremendously profitable.
And this all just seems fucking silly to me, especially after all the shit about demons and how they want to send transmissions to kill, kill, kill.
I don't know how I'm supposed to care about this analysis of the Iowa caucus when I'm supposed to be worrying about, like, cosmopolitanism.
jordan holmes
I mean, yes, it is.
It's so...
Fucking comparable to Marvel.
It is so much like, oh, there's a new Daredevil series.
Who fucking cares what happens in Hell's Kitchen?
There's fucking space battles and shit!
Aliens are there!
There's elder gods and shit!
dan friesen
Who fucking cares?
Some accident of that space battle will destroy all of Hell's Kitchen.
All of these character stories, done.
jordan holmes
With nothing meaningless, everything's gone, doesn't matter, none of this is matter.
dan friesen
You only exist because of a whim or an accident.
jordan holmes
100%.
There is no meaning to any of this.
dan friesen
So you might recall that Alex said he was going to read those articles.
jordan holmes
I do recall that.
dan friesen
That was a while ago.
jordan holmes
That was a while back.
dan friesen
But he does get to it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And here's how that goes.
alex jones
They're the ones taking us to martial law.
They're the ones taking us to civil war.
They're the ones taking us to physical war.
And so I mentioned this earlier.
We're going to go through it now.
dan friesen
Let's get into it.
alex jones
So let's go ahead and get started on the World War III.
dan friesen
Just to be clear, that was his audio cutting out.
There's a little bit of a pause.
This seems to be happening a bit lately.
I don't know what it is, but it picks back up.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But before I do that, I want to talk to listeners for a minute.
I trust in God.
God has always come through.
jordan holmes
That's sad, sales bitch.
alex jones
The worst things happen to me.
I've always learned that if I'm just steadfast and thank God, that God makes it way better.
For not just me, but it helps other people.
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
So I really have beyond faith.
You hear the word faith, it means, oh, you believe something.
No, I know it.
jordan holmes
Oh, this doesn't sound good.
alex jones
And so if I got killed today or grabbed and tortured and I'm in a jail cell somewhere and my teeth are knocked out, I'm going to be saying, thank you, Jesus, this boy.
We're about to see some big victories.
Every time...
jordan holmes
What are you selling?
alex jones
We get persecuted.
Every time we go through the fire, we get stronger.
And Christ is the ultimate example of that.
I knew exactly what he was doing.
And even though he was God in the flesh, he still had all the desires and all the human weaknesses.
And he cried in the Garden of Gethsemane hours before they came and arrested him because he was omnipresent.
He knew what they were going to do.
He knew they were going to rip the flesh completely off his back and torture him and put a crown of forms on him.
Hang him up on a cross and make him suffocate in incredible pain.
He saw it all, but more importantly, that all the sins of the world, something God doesn't want to be associated with or around.
As I said, God pulls back.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like hanging out with them.
alex jones
God doesn't like to touch evil.
jordan holmes
I don't like to touch it.
unidentified
It's you!
alex jones
I'm not going to ask you to do something I can't do.
I am going to take on all the sins previously, the current sins and the future sins, as a sacrifice.
jordan holmes
You know, you're the one who made them up in the first place.
alex jones
I am going to be there.
And I am going to judge myself.
I am going to witness every rape and murder of a child, every war, every person being starved to death, every person being tortured, everybody being abandoned.
All the pain of the universe, I'm going to take it.
jordan holmes
What was all your idea?
alex jones
Because God's perfect and pure, and only by God transmuting all that evil could God then give us a chance at infinity.
jordan holmes
Full Heaven Alchemist.
dan friesen
You're going to read that article?
alex jones
By chance, we have to choose it.
I'm going back to preaching.
I'm going to stop in a moment, but World War III will always make you preach.
And that's really it, folks.
That's it.
God cannot allow evil things into his system, but he has to use your free will to do it.
But you're fallen, so God says, all right, I'll take it on.
And then I will transmute it like lead to gold.
I can't ask you to do things I won't do.
I will do it.
Wow.
That's a big God.
The whole universe, everything in it, knows everything, but God doesn't want robots.
God wants free creatures that can see the universe and commune with Him and worship Him.
jordan holmes
So big.
alex jones
And interface with God.
Think about that.
But I'm digressing.
Let me get to the World War III news.
jordan holmes
Right.
Going to read that article, then?
alex jones
See, I don't script this show.
I mean, I have the stuff I want to cover.
I don't script what I'm about to say.
I just go with the knowledge and the information.
And so I was about to tell you that I need your support, but I was thinking...
I'm not going to sit here and yell and scream.
I'm not going to sit here and beg you.
I'm not going to sit here and explain to you how important it is.
Plus, they're great products that will enrich your life.
jordan holmes
I fucking hate you.
I hate you so much.
unidentified
I knew it was a sales pitch all the way back then.
alex jones
You distracted me!
By distracting yourself!
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
He distracted himself from the sales pitch I knew he was making.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
God damn it!
dan friesen
Watching you watch that was fascinating.
It was so fun.
Because you were so right at the beginning.
jordan holmes
I was so right.
dan friesen
What are you selling?
What are you selling?
And then it went on so long that even Alex kind of forgot.
jordan holmes
He forgot!
That was a certain...
Okay.
dan friesen
That's blasphemous.
jordan holmes
How many years?
Eight years now?
That is truly astonishing still.
Virtuosic, really, in a way.
dan friesen
I think that one of the reasons, you know, we see less of these ad pivots and stuff in our show in recent times.
And that's because we've seen it so many times.
It takes something special to really get to the level of, like, you've got to see this.
That's true.
And that, you've got to see this level.
jordan holmes
That's pure.
That is just beautiful.
dan friesen
Alex, he starts.
I'm going to get into reading this article that I promised to read.
jordan holmes
Which already, fine.
I know you're not going to do that.
dan friesen
Going to get distracted.
Get distracted into maybe a sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Sales pitch makes sense.
dan friesen
Get distracted trying to lay the groundwork of weaving religion into my sales pitch.
Go too far into the religion.
jordan holmes
A little too far.
dan friesen
Forget about the sales pitch.
jordan holmes
That's World War III.
dan friesen
Then I come back to, oh wait, I'm supposed to be reading this article.
jordan holmes
The only reason.
dan friesen
Listen, I need money.
jordan holmes
The only reason that I got too distracted by World War III in the first place was because I care so much.
So much.
And that is also why you should give me money.
Because I care too much about caring to not ask for money until I do ask for money slightly after that.
dan friesen
Also, God is real big.
So big.
So there's a long, long, long ad section now.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Quite long.
And then Alex drops this.
And I thought this was like maybe telling a little too much.
alex jones
So I need people to go to Infowarsstore.com.
And I need folks to get my book, the signed copy of The Great Awakening, because I get a large percentage of that money.
I get half the money from the book sales on the unsigned and on the signed.
And then it goes right into this.
And we're right here at the finish line.
We're winning.
And it's $100 to get the signed book because it's a fundraiser.
It's like on NPR where they sell a coffee mug for $100.
Well, it didn't cost them $100.
It cost them $5, $6.
It's a pledge to let you know, hey, you helped keep their communist garbage on air, along with taxpayer money.
But we don't get taxpayer money like NPR or PBS.
We're funded by you.
So I simply need you to go to InfowarStore.com and get the signed or unsigned book if you want to keep me on the air.
Okay?
It's that simple.
And I'm not a quitter.
I'm really at this point.
I've not even been pushing this a lot and asking you to support me a lot because I'm kind of like, hey, God.
You know, if you want to keep me on air, have a donor give me the money, or just something, because I might want to just spend the whole show back in here.
But then I start thinking, well, that's kind of quitting if you don't do it, so I guess I'll go to the audience.
I'm not going to second-guess God.
dan friesen
Smooth rationalization.
jordan holmes
That makes more sense than anything I've heard all day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I do like the please buy the book.
I can take more of the money from that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have a higher profit margin on that, and because it's something that I wrote, I get more of the money, personally, as opposed to stuff that goes into the company.
jordan holmes
Because I also have publishing rights, I also have, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a writer's credit for that, so yeah, that's good.
dan friesen
So yeah, that doesn't sound like someone who's doing well.
It does sound like that's indicative of, like, shit's a little tight.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it is just always going to be the difference between being poor and being broke.
I've been poor.
We've been poor.
He's broke, and there's a difference.
dan friesen
That is true.
But I think that if you are in a position where you're Alex Jones and you care enough about the difference between the amount you get from selling this book and your supplements...
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That probably, that thin line is probably fairly important.
jordan holmes
If you're focusing on profit margin, not just profit, you're probably in an issue, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex gets to read that article, right?
Sure.
jordan holmes
Any time now.
Any day now.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
jordan holmes
Any moment.
dan friesen
How about now?
jordan holmes
The whole time.
dan friesen
Would now be good?
alex jones
We are going to now segue into the war news.
And I really don't even know what to say at this point.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
I truly believe that.
alex jones
Look, I want to explain something to people.
I'm going to go to rebroadcast.
The party's over.
All right?
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
And...
If you go to my X account, RealAlexJones, we can pull up the video that I posted there today of people already going days before, I guess, into the football stadium where some of these NFL teams are about to play.
And there's such a blizzard that they say, you're not even going to have assigned seats.
Just sit wherever you can.
And you say, what does this have to do with World War III?
jordan holmes
Good question.
alex jones
Well, there you got a father.
jordan holmes
Bad stuff.
alex jones
He thinks the most manly thing he can do and the most American thing he can do is dress his sons up in a football jersey and a tribal outfit and then go watch the game.
jordan holmes
It's an interesting start to the article.
alex jones
And I'm not saying he's a bad dad.
My dad took me to football games when it was snowing.
And I liked him.
jordan holmes
Think about your dad.
alex jones
He'd get me a hot dog and Coca-Cola and nachos and by the time I was about ten, you know, slipped me a beer.
jordan holmes
Shut up!
dan friesen
He's a bad dad.
jordan holmes
He's a terrible dad.
alex jones
Drink a couple beers with dad.
dan friesen
A couple beers.
jordan holmes
At ten?
God damn, Texas is weird.
alex jones
But the point is, is that if you were driving to the football game and you...
jordan holmes
With your dad?
alex jones
Grandma just had a heart attack and is in the hospital, and she lives in your town.
Would you still go to the game?
Or how about you're driving home, and you hear your 15-year-old daughter was just in a car wreck five miles away.
Would you still go to the game?
You see, we're not going to turn this stuff around until we have priorities.
dan friesen
Yep, you need priorities.
So basically he starts trying to read the article again, gets bored before he even starts, and decides, I'm gonna shame these people who are going to football games.
jordan holmes
I am blown away by the need to tell a whole dad story around it.
dan friesen
I think he recognizes that reading this article, which he promised to do, multiple articles he promised to read, it's boring.
It's boring.
It's boring as shit.
jordan holmes
And not just that.
Not just that.
But he did tell people...
To text and remind their friends and love them that they were going to hear these articles that he refuses to read because they are too boring.
unidentified
Party's over, though.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Don't go to football games.
jordan holmes
Party's over.
Man, if the party's over, then go to football games.
dan friesen
Smoke them if you got them.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
You're taking this the wrong way.
This is a bad point of view on life.
dan friesen
Nah.
So, Alex, some of you...
Dumb dumbs, you go to football games.
Look, you should be fighting the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Concerts, are those fine?
How about just going out to eat?
dan friesen
Shut it down.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Shut it down.
jordan holmes
Nothing but fighting the New World Order.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
No rest for the wicked.
dan friesen
And listen to me.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Alex, he's not immune to the ways of the world.
He turns down invitations from cool people all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I get calls all the time.
jordan holmes
Read the article.
alex jones
And say, hey, go out to dinner with us tonight.
Or jump on an airplane.
We're flying to pick you up in a private jet.
Let's go have a couple days and have some fun together and play poker.
Or, hey, man, come out to my comedy club tonight.
dan friesen
Oh, so broken.
unidentified
And I just say to them now, maybe I'm wrong.
alex jones
Maybe something's wrong with me.
I just say, you know, I've got to get to bed early.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
alex jones
Because I've got to get up real early and study about what's going on.
unidentified
Bullshit.
alex jones
And I'm not saying it's bad to have some R&R.
I'm not saying it's bad.
And maybe I'm the extreme, where I fight the New World Order 95% of the time.
Even when I sleep, I have dreams about it.
dan friesen
Oh.
alex jones
I still have some pleasure.
I still watch an occasional movie.
unidentified
And, you know, I sure like sex with my wife.
alex jones
I'm certainly not.
Not skipping out on that.
dan friesen
Cool.
alex jones
That's something God gave us that's enjoyable.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
I like food, but it's all I do.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
jordan holmes
This has got to stop.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
This has got to stop.
dan friesen
You dumb fucks going to football games.
I get invitations to do fun things all the time with Joe Rogan, and I turn them down because I'm fighting the globalists.
But listen, I fuck my wife.
jordan holmes
I have tried so many ways to get this man to stop.
The legal system can't do it.
So I'm asking all of you, what have we got to do to make sure I never have to hear about Alex Jones' fucking sex life again?
What do we have to do?
What do I got to do to get you out of here in a size 15 car today?
dan friesen
I mean, quite honestly, all it takes is me not playing you those clips.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So this is partially on me.
But I wouldn't have just chosen the clip where he says, I fuck my wife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
It's in the context of him getting these cool invitations.
That's where his mind goes.
The things he does for pleasure.
unidentified
He has food.
I like food.
dan friesen
He has sex with his wife.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
I mean, I guess that's fine.
jordan holmes
It'd be weirder if he was like, I'm a huge escape room guy.
I'm really into escape rooms.
dan friesen
No, it wouldn't.
That would be delightful.
jordan holmes
No, I think I would be weirded out if I knew that there was like a whole network of escape room people who are like, listen.
I hate Alex Jones as much as the next guy, but goddammit, he keeps this whole industry afloat!
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The whole Texas escape room industry is Alex Jones reliant!
dan friesen
He would think it's fair game to break through a wall.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
He couldn't do escape rooms.
Escape rooms he would be very good at, but just by running headlong into the wall.
jordan holmes
That's why I chose escape rooms as an incongruous and hilarious example.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
But I still, if you want to abstract it a little bit, I think it would be delightful if he, instead of saying, I fuck my wife, he's like, I have a hobby.
I make birdhouses or something like that.
It would be humanizing in a way of like, I make ships in bottles.
jordan holmes
And it's just yet another way he disappoints you.
A human being would have something to grasp, and this guy is still just like, I sex my wife times.
Like, fuck you, man.
dan friesen
So he does end up eventually reading one of the articles, but he only gets through like a paragraph of it and then moves on.
So it's not really worth it.
He put it off for quite a while with a lot of bullshit.
So I'm actually, I think I'm just going to play one last clip.
jordan holmes
I think this is a great way to go.
dan friesen
And here's what it is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Another report that I'm going to air that's, I think, really good.
I let it all out very calmly, very succinctly.
In 23 minutes, I'm going to air it at the end of the third hour coming up.
Globalists lack supporters, but they have nukes.
Alex Jones tells RT.
dan friesen
So Alex is going to play his interview on RT so he can leave half an hour early.
And the rest of the show, the entire rest of the show, is him interviewing a guy named Kirk Elliott, who's a gold scam guy.
A gold dealer.
And I think it's...
I have to assume that it's brokered programming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would not assume otherwise, because it's pretty...
It's a long interview.
Alex is very deferential.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't, like...
I mean, I obviously can't prove it, but it does have the vibe of Spawn Con.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, the rest of the episode's kind of like just a no man's land, and then he leaves early.
And I was like, at this point, I was like, I'm gonna punt on the gold guy interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's nothing.
But then I was like, I can't punt on everything.
We gotta cover the RT interview.
And I listened to it, and I was just bored.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was just boring.
And so maybe we'll cover it on another episode or something if people really, really want us to, but I just, I was kind of like, I got nothing on this.
jordan holmes
I'm not that interested.
Okay.
dan friesen
The fact that it exists and the fact that it happened, and you obviously know that Alex is just going to be on there peddling Russian lines.
jordan holmes
It's super good to be Russian.
Everybody loves Russia.
dan friesen
The fact that it happened is more...
Of note than what he says on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is like the choice to have him far outweighs anything that he says.
It's like the climate denier Mark Moreno.
It doesn't matter what he has to say.
He's going to lie about anything.
The fact that they hired him tells you everything you need to know.
dan friesen
And the fact that they pretend to take him seriously.
And the other thing, too, is of note at all.
Alex can very easily control himself and have, like, an interview with this RT person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's because he has more respect for RT than he does for his own show.
jordan holmes
True.
True.
dan friesen
And because they treat him like he's somebody to be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a catnip to him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
I mean, the funny part about narcissists is that...
Once you just do...
So, like, here's this one thing about narcissists, all right, is that they're actually very easy to lead because they're very pleasurable, you know, just like, oh, if I like this thing and people keep giving it to me, then I'll keep liking, you know, like that kind of thing.
It's when people defer to them.
That's when you get into bed.
You have to lead them like dumb horses, you know, like, oh, this is a little treat.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, we even saw it in a tiny microcosm in that debate.
When Bed said something nice about Alex, he immediately started acting like his buddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're great.
I love you, man.
But whenever you're like, what do you want to do?
dan friesen
Right, and I think because this RT interviewer is acting like Alex is a scholar of some sort, which is the image that Alex wishes everyone else treated him with, he's just perfectly fine to not scream and not yell.
And not ramble on for hours about the demons that plague us.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, anyway, it was boring.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But the Iowa caucus.
jordan holmes
How about it?
How about it?
dan friesen
I should know better by now.
Whenever you think something is going to happen, it doesn't happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just not going to be.
It's just never going to be.
dan friesen
So I guess we'll find out what he thinks about New Hampshire, eventually.
jordan holmes
You know, and it won't be fun the moment you stop.
You know, the moment Lucy stops pulling the football away and Charlie truly stops believing that she's going to leave it there, that's whenever the joy of life has gone.
So you've got to believe, Dan.
If everybody claps their hands, someday, someday...
dan friesen
Alex will do the thing that he is supposed to do.
jordan holmes
Just someday.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this and we learn nothing about the Iococcus, but we learn about demons.
True.
Not much else.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we'll be back!
For another episode.
We'll see what that entails.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
Oh, if you want to see my tattoo, I'm on Instagram, knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Hey, how about that?
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm NeomDZXR.
Also, I mean, look, people just go on threads and stuff.
jordan holmes
What are we doing now?
dan friesen
I can't handle all this social media, but I apologize if there's some...
The place that you are, that you wish we were, and we aren't.
jordan holmes
We can't be everywhere.
dan friesen
We're not omnipresent.
alex jones
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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