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#892: January 19, 2024

Knowledge Fight #892 dissects Alex Jones’ baseless Ebola vaccine conspiracy, citing fringe figures like Dr. Richard Bartlett (probation in 2003) and John Fleetwood (Substack researcher with AI-assisted misrepresentation). Jones falsely links Ervebo—FDA-approved in 2019—to U.S. outbreaks, ignoring its post-emergency deployment and negligible shedding risks. Bartlett’s claims about Colorado labs (BSL-2, Ebola research) are debunked; Fleetwood’s cherry-picked data and stock misrepresentations (Merck’s <50% ownership by BlackRock/Vanguard) reveal a pattern of anti-vaccine manipulation. Ultimately, the episode exposes Jones’ reliance on unverified narratives to stoke fear, undermine public health, and pivot to unrelated topics like secession. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 18:08
d
dan friesen
01:09:38
j
john fleetwood
06:47
j
jordan holmes
28:09
Appearances
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dr richard bartlett
01:24
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Reddler.
Andy and Pamza.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a Fish Tim Color.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, DM.
dan friesen
This is Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you, sir.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is the fog.
jordan holmes
The fog.
Wait, by Stephen King?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Oh.
dan friesen
The literal fog that is quite a bit of it.
We got a crazy foggy day in Chicago.
Last night as well.
Yep.
I like it.
I like the vibe.
It's so ominous.
jordan holmes
I mean, you're not to spoil sports or spoil too much information, but you're in a much higher floor than I think I've ever been.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
So, yeah, not in my fucking life, you know what I mean?
dan friesen
I don't live in a ridiculous high-rise or something.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
But I'm used to second, third at max, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I'm a little above that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
And so now we're in the fog/slash cloud part of the fog.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can see it.
You kind of feel like you're a part of it.
Yeah.
And it's thick.
It's a thick fog.
Yeah, yeah.
It's been a little while since I've seen a thick fog like that.
Yeah.
And yeah, enjoyable.
jordan holmes
It's the kind that makes you feel like in those movies whenever somebody's flying a dragon or the magic carpet, and they put their hand out in the cloud and everybody else.
dan friesen
You feel like you can touch it.
jordan holmes
You do.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's physical.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, very nice.
jordan holmes
It's nice.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot was hopefully going to be tennis, but then it was not this morning, my friend.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Tennis has been great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All the tennis, very good.
People who play tennis, they're very good at it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The people that I wanted to play good did not play as good.
dan friesen
That is a downside.
jordan holmes
That is a bummer.
It is a bummer.
dan friesen
Alcatraz went down.
jordan holmes
Went down to Zverev.
It's dark.
By the way, and it's good to see him come back from injured.
unidentified
Bad, bad, bad.
dan friesen
And didn't Rafa already get injured?
jordan holmes
Rafa already got injured.
Yeah, he won't be back till the French tough season.
dan friesen
Tough season for you.
jordan holmes
He played one tournament and then he's like, I'll see you in a few months.
dan friesen
I'm going to die.
jordan holmes
I am 800 years old as far as my body is concerned.
dan friesen
I'm older than Pete Sampers and Andre Agassi combined.
jordan holmes
Basically.
dan friesen
Anyways, I'm sorry that it's a bright spot that got pulled out from under you.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's tough.
Coco even lost.
Coco!
unidentified
Come on!
dan friesen
Ice T's wife?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
The gorilla.
dan friesen
Okay.
That guy's old.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or lady?
I can't remember.
jordan holmes
I can't remember.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Talking about something in the present day, but it is a little bit in the past.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're talking about January 19th, 2024.
All right.
So this is last Friday.
Sure.
And the reason I wanted to cover this is there's some crazy shit that happens.
And, you know, it's worth doubling back for.
But now I kind of regret it because as we're recording this on Thursday, Alex on his show supported secession for various states.
And so I was sitting there like, ah, wow, that timing is fun.
Right before we start recording, Alex gets into that too.
So that's probably first and foremost on everybody's mind.
And we're going to have to wait until Monday to get to that one.
We'll see.
Well, no, we are going to cover it on Monday.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, we'll see if we get to Monday without the secession happening.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
It's a long weekend.
So we're going to get down to business on this episode.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy birthday, Tombus.
Love Sarah.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, happy birthday, Mewin's Chat Nip from Eastern Tony and the Seed Perverts.
Thank you so much.
You're an IOPOCWonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Justin's not at the bar because he has two wonks at home now.
Thank you so much.
You're an IOPolicy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And next, my cat Toki is 21 years old.
Praise be to Celine.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And congrats on your engagement, Devin and Kara.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we've got a tech dread in the mix.
I don't know if I can do this.
I can try.
jordan holmes
You got to give it a shot.
dan friesen
It says in parentheses, Orson Welles' voice.
And so thank you so much to two guys, one half.
alex jones
I can't.
dan friesen
I get two voices.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
It's tough.
dan friesen
I just listened to an episode where Maurice Lamar was on James Bonding.
And he can slide into it so easily.
And it just two guys, one hammer.
Thank you so much.
You're now Tech Direct.
That was a terrible impression.
And I apologize.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I do not support that name, but I also realize in hindsight, what I should have done is just said done in Alex voice.
Yeah, I should have pretended that was my Orson Welles impression.
jordan holmes
Man, I think the best Orson Welles Impression was from Maurice Lamarsh on the Animaniacs.
Was that the one?
dan friesen
Country Goodness and Green Greens he decided.
That's on the critic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the critic.
That's right.
That's what it was.
Fantastic.
The best.
dan friesen
Fish sticks.
Those are so good you can eat them raw.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
I found a little bit in my beard.
Yeah, those are great.
jordan holmes
Oh, the best.
dan friesen
And the Orson Welles Paul Massan commercial outtakes.
Yes.
Yeah, that's not an impression, but that's the greatest episode.
jordan holmes
You just don't get better than that.
You just don't get better than that.
He's just, it is like the genius insanity thing.
dan friesen
Anyway, yep.
Speaking of insanity, but not genius.
Sure.
We have Alex Jones, and there's a lot going on on this episode.
There's a big story that I don't know.
Maybe you heard about.
I don't know if you have.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know if I have.
dan friesen
Man, I don't know your life.
I don't know who you've heard about.
jordan holmes
It's been a rough week.
dan friesen
So here we go.
We're going to start off, and Alex will lay out the beginnings of this narrative.
alex jones
But I got a call right after the show yesterday by a very respected medical doctor, hospital director, former leader of the governor of Texas health task force for seven years, Dr. Richard Bartlett.
And he said to me, You need to read all these documents I'm going to send you.
And then after I went over the documents and spent about two hours, I called him and I had my producer call him and I said, please come on.
He said, well, I'm running the hospital today.
I can come on at lunch.
And he's in Amarillo.
So that's in one hour central.
unidentified
Amarillo by lunchtime.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I mean, if your doctor calls into InfoWars during the day.
That's not your doctor anymore.
dan friesen
That's not a good, that's not a good sign.
jordan holmes
Not a good doctor.
dan friesen
So, to hear Alex tell it, this Bartlett fellow seems like he's almost the most credible person you could possibly imagine existing.
It's really amazing how Alex has access to literally the most important and credible people in every field in the world.
jordan holmes
It is a stroke of the business.
dan friesen
And then they become less so when they do things he doesn't like, like Steve Pachenic.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
In reality, Bartlett is a doctor who came to prominence during the early days of COVID because he claimed that a standard asthma inhaler with the steroid butcinide was the quote silver bullet to treating COVID-19.
And you know what?
Research has borne out that it is the case that budesinide has some therapeutic effect that may improve time of recovery for some patients.
The results didn't show it to be a silver bullet, but in terms of COVID solutions presented by folks in Alex's orbit, this one is at least better than a placebo, it appears.
All right.
It's not an answer.
It's not a solution.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not as people like Bartlett would say a reason not to get vaccinated.
Right.
But it's not going to hurt you.
jordan holmes
Honestly, net zero is heroic levels of Dr. HB.
Yeah, in this world, that is incredible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it makes sense that this would have some kind of a help because one of the central issues with COVID involves respiratory issues.
But Bartlett is severely overplaying his hand in terms of it being a treatment.
jordan holmes
I bet it feels like it works a lot more than it actually does because you got the steroid, you got the inhaler, you're very good at it.
dan friesen
Burns talks about that because he got Bartlett to give him some of these inhalers when he got COVID one of the times.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And Jesus Christ, I hate it.
dan friesen
The instant relief that you get from the steroids is like, it makes you think that, oh, I'm better.
jordan holmes
Psychologically, it's probably way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It makes sense, yeah.
dan friesen
So now, I have to say that the simple act of suggesting butcinide is something that can help with patients with mild COVID is not that extreme.
But it doesn't mean that Richard Bartlett isn't extreme himself.
In 2018, he published a bit of a memoir called The Journey of a Medicine Man: Doctor Confirmed Miracles.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
No, the courts of heaven shall strike you down.
dan friesen
The description of the book pretty clearly lays out that, quote, for as long as he could remember, Dr. Richard Bartlett wanted to be a missionary.
And it appears he decided to use his position as a doctor to do just that.
So here we can learn our first little tidbit about Bartlett, and that is that he believes in miracles and perhaps even thinks that they're an important part of the medical field.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So that's a bad start.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Alex makes a lot of claims about Bartlett in his intro, so I'm going to go through them.
The first is that he's very respected.
That's debatable and a matter of perspective.
So I'll leave that for you to decide when we get to the end of this discussion.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm going to nickname him Dr. Dick Bart, so I don't think I respect him very much.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's disrespectful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex says that he is a hospital director.
I can find zero evidence of this, and I don't think it's true.
I think it's possible that he runs his own private clinic.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
But a hospital director is a completely different, much more serious thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the moment he said hospital director, I was like, there's no way that this is a real hospital.
This is like a, you know, Dr. Kellogg's hospital kind of thing.
dan friesen
So Alex then says that Bartlett was the head of the governor's task force for seven years.
This is just not true.
Alex either doesn't know or is intentionally obscuring the fact that the task force Bartlett was a part of was the Texas Health Disparities Task Force, which sought to get rid of the ways that people in different communities had unequal access to health care.
That task force was created in 2002, and according to Bartlett's bio, he was appointed to it that year.
In a 2002 article in the Victoria Advocate newspaper, Dr. Adela Valdez is named as the chair of that task force.
So he wasn't named the chair of it.
jordan holmes
But he was on the task force.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does appear so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know for how long, but yeah, he was definitely on it, according to documentation I can find.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Valdez is once again credited as the quote presiding officer of the task force in a 2004 article in the Tyler Morning Telegraph.
So it appears that she went on to be it for a while.
Sure.
Interestingly, in 2003, there was a run for the vacant seat left by the resignation of Larry Combest, the representative in the U.S. House for Texas' 19th District.
Richard Bartlett threw his hat into the ring and ended up coming in 10th with just under 2% of the vote.
unidentified
Ouch.
dan friesen
His candidacy was somewhat dead on arrival as he was dealing with a complaint from the Texas Board of Medical Examiners after, quote, an investigation revealed alleged unnecessary diagnostic tests, medication, and treatments for multiple patients.
According to, this is according to an article in the Midland Reporter Telegram.
Bartlett naturally argued that this was just the insurance companies coming after him because he dared to put patients first, and he swore that he would produce these patients who would testify on his behalf, and he predicted he'd get a letter of an apology from the board.
jordan holmes
How'd that go?
dan friesen
Well, in December 2003, after a hearing, the Medical Examiners Board and Bartlett agreed to basically have him on probation for a year.
He would need to submit, quote, selected patient records to be reviewed by the board-approved monitor.
He would also then need to take a class on some medical stuff.
After this point, I can find no official confirmation that Bartlett was on the health disparities task force, but that isn't the sort of thing that leaves a lot of documentation, so I can see that it's possible that he remained on it anyway after all this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is Texas, and Rick Perry is the governor at this point, so who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
From here, things calmed down a bit with Bartlett.
At some point, he became the president of the Ector County Medical Society, which I can verify that he was at least in 2006.
Various sources claim that he was in that position for four years, which could be true.
I have no idea.
And then nothing really happens for a while.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Then, in 2019, Bartlett re-emerges, announcing a plan to run for the House of Representatives again.
But this time he drops out before the GOP primary, and then he seems to, at some point, have lost his goddamn mind.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You see him pop up early in the COVID outbreak, insisting that budesenide asthma inhalers are the magic cure for COVID.
And if everyone just used them, the outbreak would be over.
Research was in process around this kind of question, and it ultimately showed that while helpful, asthma inhalers would not just get rid of COVID-19.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I have a suspicion that this made Bartlett lose it.
He began to become more antagonistic to the medical system as a whole.
He appeared on a radio show in November 2020 with one of his patients who would go on to call the doctors and staff at the medical center hospital, quote, murderers.
jordan holmes
Sure, that might be a little bit of a test.
dan friesen
This caused the people who ran that medical center hospital to be like, hey, please stop.
jordan holmes
They take it pretty personally when you call them murderers.
dan friesen
A little under a year later, things took a very bizarre twist when Bartlett was caught trying to sneak into the medical center hospital through the loading dock entry and appeared to be looking for stuff in their trash.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
He was given a criminal trespassing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look around in the trash.
jordan holmes
What is this?
An episode of Law and Order?
What is going on here?
dan friesen
So he's given a criminal trespass warning since he has no business to be at that hospital in the first place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, obviously.
dan friesen
He's now going to be arrested if he ever goes back, unless it's as a patient.
He claimed that he's- No!
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
They have a duty.
jordan holmes
Now, now I'm.
Now I've got it.
Now I've got my heist plan going.
This is a terrible idea.
You leave no openings.
dan friesen
He claimed that he was looking for, quote, COVID bags, apparently trying to confirm a conspiracy theory that the hospital was putting bags on COVID patients' heads.
And there is, unfortunately, like a little bit of truth to this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that is that early on in the pandemic, they had a very unthoughtful method of transporting patients around the hospital who had tested positive for COVID.
jordan holmes
They put a bag over their head.
dan friesen
There is at least one instance of this that has happened.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know how widespread it was or anything, but he was looking for the bags.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, what are you going to do?
People put bags on your head.
dan friesen
Since this point, Bartlett has been essentially a non-entity in terms of legitimate medical circles.
Sure.
He may still practice, but in terms of his existence as a public figure, no one except people like Alex take him seriously.
And that explains why he called Alex the day before this to tell him about this very important story that he wants to promote.
Alex is the sort of outlet that has no standards, and Bartlett's shit can't really fly in any arena that does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's where we're at.
Bartlett called him up.
jordan holmes
Let's think about some people who have stridently called Alex with information that needs to be talked about that has led to people getting very seriously hurt in the past.
dan friesen
There have been a few.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be happening.
dan friesen
So this story is fucking huge.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
This story is so huge that when I read this entire stack of documents, which is government documents, huge.
CDC documents, hospital documents.
I was sitting, going to bed last night about 10 p.m.
And it was so upsetting that I couldn't sleep.
So I got back up at about 2 a.m.
And I've been up since then.
So what am I talking about?
Well, we just posted it on X.
We just tweeted it.
Let's put the live show feed that went up minutes ago on screen for TV viewers.
Get real Alex Jones.
Real live nightmare.
U.S. hospitals caught injecting experimental Ebola vaccine that sheds.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
Big news.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Wait, what?
What?
jordan holmes
It sheds?
dan friesen
Ebola.
jordan holmes
Ebola sheds.
What does this have to do with anything?
dan friesen
We'll get to it.
jordan holmes
Oh, God damn it.
dan friesen
So the idea here is that there's a hospital that's injecting people with an experimental Ebola vaccine.
This vaccine, once given to a person, will allow them to spread this virus by shedding it from their body.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The short version of what's up here is that's not true.
The story is about how in November 2023, some frontline workers were some of the first people to get vaccinated in the U.S. for with a vaccine whose brand name is Ervabo.
It's an Ebola vaccine, but it's not experimental.
It was approved by the FDA in 2019.
It's just that most people in the United States don't have a reason to get it since they're super unlikely to ever come into contact with Ebola in the wild.
Right, right, right.
These frontline workers in Denver were given the vaccine because the city houses one of the HHS-designated regional emerging special pathogens treatment centers.
In 2014, the last time Alex whipped the audience into an Ebola hysteria, the only cases that were not from people who caught it outside the country prior to coming here were two people who were treating the patients.
So having a vaccine like this available to people in that position essentially serves to limit the amount that it's possible for future cases that are imported to the United States to spread any further than a hospital.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
dan friesen
You can find all kinds of coverage of this from the end of November, and it's weird that it's just coming up for Alex now, probably because his audience really isn't that worked up about COVID anymore and they need something else to be scared of.
Shedding sounds scary, but it's important to understand that it's not the same thing as spreading.
The likelihood of vaccines being spread that way is incredibly rare.
And one of the only exceptions is the oral polio vaccine, which has largely been replaced.
In some parts of the developing world, that oral polio vaccine is still used, which is why you'll end up seeing cases of vaccine-derived polio and why Alex can trot around saying that the majority of cases of polio are caused by the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This dynamic does not exist with all live attenuated virus vaccines.
And that's the only thing Alex is going to go off of when he's saying this vaccine is shedding and it's going to cause other people to get this.
It's just going to point to the polio vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He has no evidence that this applies to the Ebola vaccine, and neither does Dr. Trash Thief.
This is all just ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So that's the basic bit of the business.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Basic bit of business.
unidentified
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
Excuse me.
I was.
See, because I was thinking that they were talking about a vaccine where if you get a vaccine, then you can spread the vaccine like a super spreader kind of thing, which seems like a great idea.
dan friesen
Well, actually, that is some of the possible effect that unintentional effect that the oral polio vaccine can have in parts of the developing world where it's used.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But that's more of a building up immunity in a more kind of like responsive way as opposed to a vaccine, like an mRNA vaccine type deal kind of thing.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
It's not advised.
I think that having a plan of secondary vaccinations of people is, first of all, incredibly unethical.
Right.
You know, you don't have the informed consent of the people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And see, that's kind of the argument that anti-vaxxers have around this shedding business is that like vaccines shouldn't be allowed because you shed them and the people who then get sick from you, which they can't prove happens, then they don't have, they didn't consent to be around you with your vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so that's kind of like the standard anti-vax argument that goes around this stuff.
jordan holmes
I feel like blow darts should be more involved in the vaccine process, and that's just throwing that out there kind of thing.
Not necessarily a we need to table this right now kind of thing, but I'm just in the future.
dan friesen
I've been a blow dart guy from way back, but I don't know about its application here.
Again, I think we run into the same ethical issues about informed consent.
unidentified
Ah, but not if I'm well camouflaged.
jordan holmes
Oh, what's that?
I think I got stung by a bee.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And then we move on.
dan friesen
See, my like, when I was younger, I had some friends who wanted to get knives and stuff.
We wanted to have some weapons because it was cool at the time.
And so I was like, I want to be different.
I'm going to be a blow dart guy.
And so I decided to get like a...
jordan holmes
You got a little blow dart?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I never got good at it.
Alex gets more into this conspiracy.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So listen to me very, very carefully.
They've been hyping.
jordan holmes
We are born to hyped.
alex jones
The next big attack will be an airborne Ebola.
jordan holmes
When did they come?
alex jones
They've been saying rice for it.
And if you track the outbreaks of Ebola that happened during the Obama administration, they were directly linked back to the UN and the Pentagon with pharmaceutical companies in a whole bunch.
Seven different Central African countries.
jordan holmes
You're not even trying.
alex jones
Congo, you name it.
Injecting the population when there was almost no Ebola there, almost no death, with these experimental shots.
And now the very same company that did that, and they admit, I have mainline news saying the Ebola outbreaks outbreaks.
Did you hear what I just said?
dan friesen
No, because you cut out.
So nothing Alex is saying there is true or connected to reality, but that drop in audio seemed suspiciously timed.
It did.
What I'm using is audio straight from Infor's, but I was able to find another feed of it, and he just says that the old Ebola outbreaks were caused by the shot.
So it's just kind of randomly.
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it's just a random.
dan friesen
Because he says it at other points, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It's just random tech glitch.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is lying.
The 2013 outbreak of Ebola in Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia, among other affected countries, was the widest spread in history.
The outbreak began in December 2013 in Guinea, and then it spread slowly at first, but then it picked up steam in the spring of 2014.
By August 2014, there were already about 2,000 cases and almost 1,000 deaths from the outbreak.
And then that environment shit was very serious.
At this point, the drug that would become Ervebo had been studied and showed promise in non-human primates, but it is understandably pretty difficult to test something like an Ebola vaccine on human subjects, given how deadly it can be and how quickly it can kill a person.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Considering the circumstances and how severe the outbreak was, it was deemed ethical to deploy this vaccine on a trial basis among some people in Basquinay, Guinea, generally among people who had a contact with someone diagnosed with Ebola within the previous three weeks.
jordan holmes
We call it the nothing left to lose kind of thing.
dan friesen
It's a compassionate challenge.
jordan holmes
Might as well, hey, we'll throw anything at it at this point because who cares?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You have a 50% fatality rate and you have cases in the thousands.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
The trial lasted two years, and they found among the 5,837 people who had received the vaccine, there were zero cases of Ebola.
Of the 6,004 people that they monitored who didn't get the vaccine, 23 people were infected.
This level of efficacy is shockingly good.
And in 2019, there was another outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
The Ervebo vaccine was given to approximately 90,000 people, and it had a 97.5% effectiveness rate.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
dan friesen
That's a little bit down from 100% in 2016, which was at the end of that other outbreak.
But it's still very good, especially considering for years there's been no prevention, treatment, or cure that we know of for Ebola.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, it's important to point out that when we say that there's 100% or 97.5% effective rate here, that's not really a number that we can ever know because it's essentially impossible to set up a trial that includes placebos and control groups where the subjects would then be exposed to Ebola.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Those 5,837 people did not get Ebola.
We know that much.
But we don't know that if some of them, like they would have, if they were, maybe just they weren't exposed to the virus.
It's complicated, so it's probably best to stay away from like hyperbolic claims.
But the vaccine showed and shows a lot of promise.
There's a lot you could say about this set of circumstances.
For instance, you could take issue with the use of this experimental vaccine among people in that earlier outbreak when it hadn't been tested for effectiveness on human subjects.
That's a definite ethical question, and it's possible to have mixed feelings about it.
On the one hand, they didn't know for sure if it was going to work.
On the other hand, there were thousands of cases of Ebola with an almost 50% fatality rate, and the outbreak showed no signs of slowing down.
A strong case could be made for trying the vaccine with people's informed consent, and that you could make an argument that that's the only ethical thing you could do in that situation.
If Alex wanted to have a discussion on this kind of a ground, I don't think I'd agree with him.
I don't think I'd end up on the same side, but at least it's a rational conversation to have.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Claiming that those outbreaks were caused by the vaccine is a disgusting lie, the perpetuation of which is just going to hurt more people, though.
That's not a rational conversation.
There's zero reason for Alex to be pulling this kind of shit because the strategy that's been used and found effective with Ervebo has been what's been called ring vaccination.
This is an outward ring starting from the point of a confirmed case, vaccinating the people who they've been in contact with.
As of this point, this has not been a vaccine that has been used at population levels, like the way that you would try and reach herd immunity through vaccination.
It's a prophylactic emergency strategy that's used to prevent outbreaks from spreading further.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And let me be clear.
I don't think it's impossible that we could see another case of Ebola come into the country.
Like, Alex, I don't think that him suggesting that because he's talking about the globalists and saying they're pre-programming all this.
It's just people warning that it's possible that we could have a case.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, it happened in 2014.
It is possible that that could happen.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting.
You know what?
Thinking about it, now that I think about what possible civil war kind of thing there could be, I think if there was another outbreak, it's possible that we could have a significant part of the population on the side of the virus at this point in time.
Well, we're talking a lot of people.
dan friesen
I don't know.
You get into a little bit of murky territory when you're on the side of the virus because I think you could make a pretty solid case that a lot of Alex's behaviors are indistinguishable from being in favor of the virus.
It is but he's not actively, he's not actually like in his head being like, I want to spread this fucking virus.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
At least I can't say that that's what he thinks.
jordan holmes
Sure, wow.
dan friesen
But his actions are indistinguishable from someone who would want to make it more difficult to deal with a public health crisis.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Yeah, no, if I was a Native American, I would be like, oh, I don't think these white people are trying to spread this disease, but you know what?
You got to go.
dan friesen
Not quite the same.
I get what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a possibility that you could see a case of this.
It's just a part of being in an interconnected world.
The issue is whether or not it will become an active outbreak here if something does happen.
And the only thing that determines that is how our leaders respond.
If we have a response like what happened in 2014, then there's a good chance that we'll end up with a similar outcome where things are well contained and it doesn't become a public health crisis.
If we have leaders like we did in 2020, I find it hard not to think that we will be fucked.
Fingers crossed, though, that we never have to find out.
It's not an inevitability.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it does introduce a scary prospect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has.
I will say that I think I've kind of noticed this, and it hasn't fully connected into a thought that I think can be fleshed out yet.
But since the pandemic, just baseline competence has turned into a lot sexier thing for me.
You know what I mean?
Just like, man, people just doing their jobs at a good level.
Wow.
dan friesen
Well, I think especially within bureaucratic things.
Sure.
And like places with a lot of variables like government.
It is more impressive than you realize for people to be competent.
jordan holmes
It dropped my expectations so far that it now is, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, that's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's a silver lining.
Think about, you know, positive attitude.
Right.
dan friesen
That's where we start every episode with.
jordan holmes
Things could be worse.
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex believes this to be breaking news.
alex jones
And now they're giving the shots to healthcare workers at hospitals in the United States.
unidentified
This just broke.
alex jones
And what's crazy is doctors finally noticed this, even though they started this in December a month ago.
So this is breaking now here.
dan friesen
So this happened in November.
This isn't breaking news, but Alex's narrative on it is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know how Alex pretends that he spends all this time studying and reading the news, figuring out the plots of the globalists?
You really got to think that if that were true, he would have heard about this before his idiot doctor/slash raccoon friend called him about it.
So there are 10 regional emerging special pathogens treatment centers in the United States, of which Denver Health is one of them.
It was their choice to vaccinate some of their frontline workers for Ebola, which really raises the question: if this were part of an elaborate globalist plot, wouldn't all of those regional emerging special pathogen treatment centers be vaccinating their employees?
Why is it just Denver?
I guess the conspiracy has got to be that that's where the outbreak's going to start.
jordan holmes
I mean, they do have the airport.
dan friesen
That's true.
With Blucifer.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm listening.
dan friesen
They have murals.
jordan holmes
You say Denver, and now I'm listening.
dan friesen
I will say that there's a shocking amount of restraint that Alex shows in terms of not bringing the Denver airport.
jordan holmes
There's so many options, really.
If you've got Denver as your epicenter of a conspiracy, that's adjacent.
You know, you're right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex complains in this next clip here.
He talks about how he thinks that the vaccine is linked to all these outbreaks.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he complains about the Washington Post for some reason.
alex jones
When I say breaking, it's on the hospital websites.
It's on the CDC site.
They admit they're doing it.
unidentified
And then we can track the exact same thing for that information.
alex jones
Linked to four global Ebola outbreaks.
So.
Special guest, Dr. Richard Bartlett, and one other guest will announce once he joins us in the second hour today.
You need to tune in.
You need to share.
You need to research.
Because unlike the Washington Post that just wrote a big article two days ago that we wrote about last night at Infowars.com, we want you to do your own research.
Washington Post's latest outlet telling Americans doing own research is bad.
And the first example they use in the big report, we have a screenshot of right here with a link to it in the site, is Infowars.com reporting that leftists have been caught setting fires in Australia, and they say it's false, but then later in the article admit it's actually true.
No, you don't have to say that.
jordan holmes
It's pretty good fires.
alex jones
And we got it from the AP of Australia and the Brisbane Times.
So we want you to do your own research.
dan friesen
Got it.
I will.
jordan holmes
Ah, this doesn't count.
All you got to do to start fires in Australia is carry a magnifying glass.
That doesn't count as a crime.
dan friesen
And we talked about this 500 episodes.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, this one's all.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the term linked to in Alex's claim that the Ebola vaccine has been linked to four outbreaks is a pretty weasel bit of business.
Demonstrating that this vaccine was used in the context of Ebola outbreaks is not the same thing as it causing them.
Further, there are examples of outbreaks where the vaccine wasn't used because it's only effective against the Zaire strain.
Alex needs to prove a causal link instead of this weak shit he's doing.
And that burden of proof is on him, and he is not up to achieving it.
Also, Alex says that the vaccine is, you know, he says that it's linked to four global Ebola outbreaks, and there haven't been global Ebola outbreaks except for one.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You could call that 2013 to 2016 outbreak global since a few cases popped up around the world.
But other than that, the outbreaks have all been in Africa, particularly the Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Guinea.
Alex is being very sloppy with his language because the goal is to sensationalize the story to scare the audience.
And that's the name of the game.
Alex brings up this Washington Post article, which is just an op-ed covering a paper published in the journal Nature that found that people who do their own research online tend to, quote, gain more confidence in untrue information.
unidentified
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So the article quotes the paper, quote, when individuals search online about misinformation, they're more likely to be exposed to lower quality information than when individuals search about true stories.
And those who are exposed to low quality information are more likely to believe false slash misleading news stories to be true relative to those who are not.
Basically, legitimate outlets and sources of quality information, they generally aren't going to be talking about the stupid shit that people like Alex are.
So when you seek out information about the stupid shit Alex is saying, you're going to find low-quality information sources talking about it.
And that in turn reinforces your belief in them.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The only time that Alex or Infowars comes up in this article is in this passage.
Quote, channels like One America News, which I described shortly after the 2020 election as pro-Trump video channel offered with a cable news-like aesthetic, elevated numerous baseless claims before being booted from major cable news systems.
Its programming often appears to be the equivalent of taking Alex Jones's InfoWars, but setting it in a local television news studio.
Doing your own research might lead you to reputable-looking sources that are anything but.
There's nothing about fires or Australia in the article at all, so Alex's complaint about the Washington Post really isn't on target.
The words Alex and InfoWars don't appear in that nature paper, so I had to go to the Infowars article to even get what this was about.
Apparently, they're complaining about how one of Alex's articles about the Australian fires from 2020 was included in the paper and deemed false slash misleading.
Wow.
This is tremendously petty.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So the headline in question is: quote, nearly 200 people arrested across Australia for deliberately starting fires, starting bushfires.
Sure.
To complain about this nature paper, Alex points to a Snopes fact check of the claims about the fires, which said that 183 people had been arrested for bushfire-related offenses, but, quote, 24 people have been charged with deliberately setting fires.
So the deliberately.
jordan holmes
Deliberate arson.
That's what we're talking about.
dan friesen
The InfoWars article goes on to whine, quote, Snopes was pretty hung up on the word deliberately, to which I would say that might be because the word was prominently used in your headlines.
jordan holmes
It's a very important word.
dan friesen
So the InfoWars article says that the Snopes review, quote, failed to mention the source cited by the Infowars article.
The Brisbane Times wrote, quote, figures obtained by the Australian Associated Press revealed police had dealt with 98 people, 31 adults, and 67 juveniles for deliberately starting fires, a number that grew over time.
That last part, quote, a number that grew over time, wasn't from the Brisbane Times.
Alex is just tacking that on to save face.
That is odd.
Also, the source says the police, quote, dealt with 98 people, not arrested them.
Alex's article explicitly in the headline.
It says, quote, arrest and deliberately.
And the sources he's now pointing to don't back him up on that.
Also, Alex's claim on air here is that it was leftists who did this.
That's not supported by his own article from the past, nor the sources that he's pointing to, like the Brisbane Times.
Further, the point of Alex's article was the fact that some people were arrested for arson.
That was being used as proof that climate change isn't real.
By every metric, this was a false/slash misleading claim in the article.
He can grow up and stop whining about the fucking Washington Post.
jordan holmes
You know, I feel like it wouldn't be fun to parse a sentence with you if I was Alex.
I'm just saying that as far as the headline goes, if I was next to you, I would be like, you stay over there.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'll write this one.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
You go over.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, no, I mean, that is the problem.
It does seem to be standards.
And what are you actually saying are questions that Alex asked.
jordan holmes
You have asked the wrong question.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't want to deal with that.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So Alex wants you to look into this stuff, though.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
He wants you to do your research.
jordan holmes
Do your own research.
alex jones
We want you to look into this because undoubtedly you're going to find even more stuff than we found.
Because when we get millions of people to start.
jordan holmes
And if you don't, you'll make it up and then we'll say it.
alex jones
That's when things get interesting.
So let me show you these headlines.
John Fleetwood is a researcher, highly recommended by Dr. Bartlett.
He's joining us next hour.
Ebola vaccine that sheds onto and infects others.
31% rate.
jordan holmes
31%.
alex jones
Of the time given to Colorado healthcare workers just down the road for the new Ebola Bat Lab.
Sorry.
dan friesen
We'll get to that.
So that was a pretty perfect encapsulation of Alex's information model at the beginning that he responded to.
Talk a bunch of shit, then crowdsource memes to talk more shit about.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's a lucrative business.
So that 31% number that Alex cites about vaccine shedding comes from a November 2023 paper published in Clinical Infectious Diseases.
And I got to be honest, actually, as this goes on, you start to realize that it's actually from an FDA insert for the Ervebo vaccine.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But that insert is quoting this study.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he's actually secondarily talking about this study, not realizing it.
unidentified
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
So it found that 31.7% of children shed the vaccine virus in their saliva, mostly in the first week after vaccination, but then stopped entirely by day 28 and then did not shed at all if they got a second dose.
Sure.
The paper is about shedding in adults and children, and there's literally no mention of shedding observed in adults.
So Alex is just making up whatever claims he makes on that front.
That's not to say that there isn't any, but there isn't any based on the source that he provides.
Virus shedding does not equate to virus spreading.
That doesn't mean it's impossible, however.
And the literature around this vaccine does advise that people who receive this vaccine, quote, avoid close contact with and exposure of high-risk individuals to blood and bodily fluids for at least six weeks following vaccination.
Taking into consideration the rate of shedding and the nature of it, a study by the European Medical Association found: quote, the overall risk of Ervebo to human health and environment is considered negligible.
When you get a live attenuated virus vaccine, you're not actually getting that virus.
That is to say, you get herveabo, you aren't getting Ebola light.
The vaccine is introducing a very weakened version of the virus into your body, so it creates an immune response to it, creating antibodies.
And you don't get Ebola.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a situation we find ourselves in.
Alex can point to the study to show that 31.7% of children who got the vaccine shedding in their saliva for about a week or so, and a little bit possibly after that, tapering off.
But what he needs to do is prove his actual claim that this can spread the Ebola virus.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He can't do that.
And the best he'll be able to do is point at the oral polio vaccine and insist that they're the same thing.
And they're not.
The thing about the bat lab is about people freaking out on social media about Colorado State University getting a grant in 2021 to build a facility to study bat immune reactions.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a BSL2-level security facility, so it won't be dealing with easily transmissible or highly lethal stuff.
But the important thing is that this is a college from Colorado.
Right.
Those doctors who got the Ebola vaccine were in Colorado.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
This grant for three years ago is a school in Colorado.
Do you see how this fits together so perfectly?
jordan holmes
He really does.
Lucifer.
dan friesen
This is the level of work that's going on here.
Two unrelated things happened in the same state, therefore the globalists try to give everyone Ebola or something.
I'm actually not even sure.
When we get to the end of this, I'm not actually sure what the conspiracy is.
It might be to scare people.
It might be to trick people into getting vaccinated with an Ebola vaccine.
It might be to give people Ebola.
It might be to create an appearance of an outbreak in order to seize control.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Unclear.
jordan holmes
I think one thing that occurs to me right now is how much we take for granted in regards to the borderline magic of viruses.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, that's crazy.
What do you mean?
That the virus sheds in your saliva if you're a kid and not an adult?
Or the virus does it, or a small attenuated version does this thing, or your body makes this thing based on this.
dan friesen
It is wild.
jordan holmes
They're fucking aliens, man.
That's what they are.
They were sent here on fucking assistance.
That's what happened.
That's where we come from.
And we're all viruses, man.
dan friesen
I'm digging what you're saying, Rogue.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
But I just want to clarify based on what you're saying, in case people get it twisted.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Viruses are magic.
dan friesen
Well, but also that adults probably shed.
But it was not something that was captured in the study, nor any of the information that Alex can present.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's just to be clear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I am a stickler with you and Alex.
jordan holmes
For sure, for sure.
No, no, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
So apparently, you know, shedding is the same thing as spreading.
jordan holmes
That's like the new version of correlation and causation.
Shedding ain't spreading, baby.
alex jones
Here is the insert for the experimental Ebola injection that they admit sheds.
You hear what I just said?
Spreads.
Here is that.
jordan holmes
Is that why it's called the Ebola?
alex jones
A spreading director and hospital director, former task force member of the governor on next hour.
dan friesen
So you got these anti-vex weirdos coming in to reinforce the narrative that he's working on fleshing out through the beginning of the show.
Through the first hour, he's trying to really repeat this over and over again.
And you get the sense of this.
It's a fascinating dynamic that I see playing out here that we'll discuss as it goes on.
But for now, Alex makes an embarrassing trip up.
alex jones
Here is the New England Journal of Medicine, a random controlled trial of Ebola virus disease therapeutics, and it gets into what this vaccine did and its massive linkage to outbreaks in Africa.
dan friesen
So Alex hasn't read any of this stuff, and he doesn't care what any of it says.
But he has a responsibility to read more than a headline when he's using a study to freak his audience out like this.
This study in the New England Journal of Medicine isn't even about Ervebo.
You would know that if you'd read any of this.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, because it would have the name Ervebo in it.
Or not.
dan friesen
Or you should know this from the headline because here's that headline.
A randomized controlled trial of Ebola virus disease therapeutics.
This is about therapeutics.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Like monoclonal antibodies and antiviral agents.
jordan holmes
Things to do after you.
dan friesen
It's not at all about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Not preventing it.
dan friesen
I know this is powerful, of course, for Alex, and he has no idea about pretty much everything that he talks about, but this shit is sincerely dangerous.
In the unlikely but very possible scenario that there is a case of Ebola that comes into the country in the future, Alex is priming his audience to not take any public health guidance seriously.
He's doing literally everything within his power to make it more likely that the next outbreak, whatever it may be of, spreads more than it needs to, which is exactly what you're saying with he's on the side of the virus.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And honestly, I have a strong suspicion of why this is going on.
He was swearing up and down for forever that the COVID vaccine erased people's immune systems and would be seeing bodies piling up in the streets.
He's been saying that forever.
jordan holmes
There are a lot of bodies that have not piled up in any streets.
dan friesen
The promise of his conspiracies was that you, the listener, was smart for not getting vaccinated because all the idiots who did are going to be dead real soon.
jordan holmes
And you're going to get to laugh at them, and that's why you love this show.
dan friesen
And that hasn't happened.
jordan holmes
Ah, they laugh at me.
dan friesen
I think the Inforce audience is a little burned out on COVID conspiracies.
It's not really as juicy.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
And if Alex doesn't come up with a new medical set of keys to jangle in front of their faces, they might fuck around and start realizing that the prophecy of all these vaccine deaths didn't come true.
This was always the way it was going to go because Alex is, you know, kind of a coward about this stuff.
And he needs to distract the audience from his past bullshit with new bullshit.
But it's just a way to not own up to being wrong about this stuff.
And I don't know, especially when it's about something as potentially volatile as Ebola outbreaks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's pretty, it's pretty irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, when you stop to think about the mass psychology of millions upon millions of people dying due to disease and how people, after like three years, they're like, let's just be done.
Let's just not talk about it.
Yeah, okay, there's a new way.
Who fucking cares?
I'm just tired.
That's what I am.
To the point where even people who are like, the government is killing us with it.
They're like, fucking, just do it.
And fine.
I'm just tired of COVID.
One way or the other, let's just be done with it.
dan friesen
It's interesting that you can be tired of it, you know, that way, that burnout, but also the sensational bullshit nonsense.
It'll tire you out.
jordan holmes
Human beings are just going to get burnt out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later, you get burnt out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the only thing that doesn't burn you out Alex's dumbass.
Apparently.
Apparently.
So Alex talks about how these vaccines are linked to all these outbreaks.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it's trying to really pound out this narrative basically into shape, like a person at a forge.
unidentified
Steak.
alex jones
Shame Bill Gates-backed live Ebola.
Oh, you know, he'd be involved.
Shame Bill Ebola.
Ebola vaccine distributed before Africa's 2016, 18, 20, 21, 2022, and before that under Obama outbreaks, we're just giving to Colorado healthcare workers.
U.S. Army now developing Ebola medicines.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We have all the documents.
dan friesen
So many documents.
So, that Bill Gates thing is a reference to Gavi providing some funding to Merck to help produce the Ervebo vaccine.
That's your Bill Gates connection.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
What Alex is reading there is a headline from John Fleetwood Substack.
You may have heard him mentioned earlier.
He's Dr. Bartlett's weirdo friend who's going to be the other guest on this episode.
And so he just Alex was reading off this Substack headline and decided to throw, quote, and earlier under Obama in there for no reason.
It's not in the headline.
So Alex is making that up.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I just want Fleetwood Max Fleetwood Substacks.
dan friesen
That's not bad.
He would be wise.
jordan holmes
That would be.
Mick, get to work.
Wait, is he dead?
I think he's dead.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
So, Fleetwood Substack post does literally nothing to demonstrate that the Urvebo vaccine is linked to increasing spread of Ebola during these outbreaks that are listed in the headline.
It's purely an exercise in misrepresentation.
In each of these instances that Fleetwood brings up, there was not a vaccine campaign that then led to an outbreak.
In each of these cases, there was an existing outbreak, and then vaccination efforts were launched to hopefully limit the spread of the virus.
The methodology used with the Urvebo vaccine is wholly responsive.
There's an outbreak, and then healthcare providers track contacts and get them vaccinated.
It's an emergency response paradigm, not a blanket coverage paradigm.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The argument that Fleetwood is making is simple.
In these past instances, people were vaccinated, then there was an outbreak.
Now, some doctors in Colorado got vaccinated, so there's probably going to be an Ebola outbreak there.
It's a faulty argument built on false premises, but I'm noticing something here.
Both of the main stories today, the one about the Colorado doctors and the one about the Colorado State University Lab, are from John Fleetwood Substack.
This guy's sure getting a lot of play out of nowhere.
jordan holmes
Looks like he will be our mystery guest on today's show.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
I knew it.
dan friesen
But also, a cynical person might wonder.
jordan holmes
Is he paying for it?
dan friesen
What is going on?
I don't know, but I also think that maybe it's just so desperate for content.
And Richard Bartlett called him.
He's like, I got this weirdo friend.
jordan holmes
That's always possible.
dan friesen
So John Fleetwood has been a writer for a few years at a blog called American Faith, where he writes about all the hot right-wing grievance memes that are going around.
Even after being on Infowars, he has under 600 followers on Twitter.
And I think that in 2001, he self-published a bit of a futurist fiction novel called 3000 AD: A New Beginning.
I recommend everyone, including you, get your phone out.
Sure.
I recommend everyone Google that book and look at the cover and tell me that it doesn't look like a guy wielding a big erection.
jordan holmes
All right, let's see.
dan friesen
I can't find the entire book, but apparently shit goes bad when the stock markets fall apart in 2700 or so, around that.
And then somehow God ends up in a climactic battle against Satan.
jordan holmes
That sounds that, well, I mean, suspiciously familiar to my fanfiction.
dan friesen
But new beginnings.
Look at the cover.
I mean, you're not going to compete with this cover.
jordan holmes
A new beginning.
So 3000 AD, a new beginning.
dr richard bartlett
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look at that.
unidentified
That is astonishing.
jordan holmes
You are joking.
How did you get that on the TV screen?
dan friesen
I looked at that cover and I was like, whoever made this could not have run it by anybody else or else they were trying to make it look like a dick.
jordan holmes
At all.
It's crazy.
And the eyes, the eyes looking at the dick are somehow even more disposed.
dan friesen
Look at the guy's face.
jordan holmes
Oh, I see it.
dan friesen
He has a sword in his hand, but it doesn't look like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no.
He looks like he has a sword in both hands and a dick is growing out and he's staring at the dick like whoops.
dan friesen
It's wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, people check that out.
jordan holmes
You got to see it.
dan friesen
So one of my favorite parts of this book that I read was on page seven.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Quote: People from the country formerly known as the United States began exploring west from the agricultural region at the center of the country.
Groups broke away and founded new communities in Danvar, Houston, and Las Angelas.
Changing the names of the past to reflect a new beginning.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I feel bad.
I shouldn't shit on someone for a creative endeavor.
That's not cool.
No.
I really don't mean to be mean.
Fuck me for this, but like, seriously, Google the cover of the book.
jordan holmes
You gotta.
dan friesen
I couldn't have found that and not brought it up.
jordan holmes
You gotta.
dan friesen
Also, if it's written by a different person named John Fleetwood, I apologize, but then again, that cover is impossible to read.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, if there is a Fleetwood that is also.
Yeah, no, it's not the same.
dan friesen
It's the same spelling of the name, too, because John is without an H. If there's two John Fleetwoods, both of them in this particular field, both of them with a level of Christian person, then the God vanquishes the devil at the end of his fiction novel.
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
And a clear willingness to debase oneself for really any amount of money.
dan friesen
Or none.
jordan holmes
Or none.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess none is a part of any.
So Alex, you know, he does exactly what you would expect him to do.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Now, pull up the headline from Reuters, please.
Also, AP.
Majority of global polio cases caused by vaccine.
jordan holmes
Well.
That's what's insane.
alex jones
They hide this in plain view.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we've talked about the dynamics of the polio vaccine a hundred times, so I'm not going to get into it again here, but this is still important because it's the only thing Alex can point to to make his case.
The orally administered polio vaccine is the exception to the rule where shedding experienced by people who got the vaccine has more of a high likelihood to spread the virus.
While it's not true of all live attenuated virus vaccines, that is the impression that Alex is trying to give.
Right.
But this is the one gotcha type thing that Alex can pull out to prop up all of his claims about this Ebola vaccine.
He can point to that other article about 31.7% of children shedding the Ebola vaccine, but what he can't do is prove that this can cause infection in another person.
Because he can't do that, he just points to the oral polio vaccine and pretends that his case is made.
And it is not.
He has more work to do and he's not up to it.
jordan holmes
Man, hard to believe how much on the side of polio he is.
I mean, we fought polio real hard as a species and then won, and then it turns out that the polio will rise again.
dan friesen
I mean, this kind of behavior is the stuff that leads to.
jordan holmes
The South polio will rise again.
All right.
Let's move on.
dan friesen
So Alex lies a little bit more about them doctors in Denver.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Where's Ebola in the United States?
Tardley in Africa.
Most outbreaks are linked to these tests, these inoculation operations.
And then they're, and it's not just Denver.
We know it's going to other places, so we got that here.
They're injecting healthcare workers who they then test on and put in a report admitting 31% got Ebola-like symptoms when they took it.
dan friesen
So Alex can't demonstrate where else these doctors are getting the Her Verbo vaccine.
I think what he might be talking about is that in clinical trials.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think that's what he's saying.
unidentified
That has to be.
dan friesen
But that's not what it sounds like from the way he's saying this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So there's a single story from last November out of Denver, and he's saying it's happening everywhere, which is not going to be substantiated by his coverage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex is further lying about his source, but in a compounded way.
These doctors were not the people who were included in the study that cited the 31.7% shedding number.
That was entirely different and reflected a quote randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial conducted at six centers in four West African countries.
It wasn't testing the efficacy of the vaccine, but it was testing how well antibodies were produced and stayed around.
And so, you know, you can do a placebo-controlled study around that because there wasn't the challenge of the Ebola in it.
So Alex is lying about that being related to the medical workers in Colorado.
jordan holmes
I can't say that I don't prefer my medical advancements to be performed on the doctor themselves live on a stage.
Those are pretty cool.
Whenever he's like, I've developed a new thing, and then he drinks it, and then he's like, now I'm free.
That's how most vaccines I feel like should be announced.
dan friesen
Well, but they don't make you transform.
So it'd be an unit unsatisfying show.
unidentified
That is true.
jordan holmes
It's an unsatisfying show.
I mean, back in the day, they didn't, you know, during the Depression, they didn't really have much to watch anyway.
So that was enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now we.
dan friesen
Just gather around someone at a megaphone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Look at it.
dan friesen
Exciting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, he talks a lot louder.
So Alex is further lying about the results of that study.
He's saying people in the study got Ebola-like symptoms.
And that's just not the case.
Unless, you know, if you get Ebola, you get a headache.
And so if you get the vaccine and you get a headache, that's not Ebola-like symptoms.
jordan holmes
You can't say Ebola-like symptoms.
dan friesen
It's a matter of degree.
jordan holmes
Unless I'm like melting, you can't say Ebola-like symptoms.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So all of this really is just an egregious anti-vax demonstration.
And so he spins this off into other VEX conspiracies.
alex jones
That's just like they admittedly killed 43,000 U.S. troops in the two different anthrax injection tests they did under George Herbert Walker Bush.
There's the Reuters headline.
If you're a new viewer, I don't make this stuff up.
Vaccine delivered poliovirus detected in Congo.
Vaccine delivered.
But let's go back.
That's not the actual headline I wanted.
How the oral polio vaccine can cause polio.
That's NPR.
I'm going to show the exact headline that Joe Rogan didn't believe three years ago and pulled up and was blown away.
Majority of new polio cases caused by polio vaccine.
That's the headline.
I want them to see it.
dan friesen
So that shit about the anthrax vaccine is not true.
Alex is mixing up statistics.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
43,000 military members died from influenza during World War I.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
That's the statistic that he's slightly different from anthrax.
dan friesen
Yeah, during George H.W. Bush.
jordan holmes
A little bit different.
A little bit different.
Sure.
dan friesen
So you can see from that clip, though, how important the precise optics of this polio vaccine thing is to selling the shoddy argument he has about the Ebola vaccine.
The crew pulls up a very serviceable article about a case of vaccine-derived polio in the Democratic Republic of Congo, but that's not enough for Alex.
He needs that majority of cases thing because he thinks it's going to blow the audience's collective mind, but it's just sleight of hand tricks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Just look over here.
Here's what I'm fascinated by.
Why do journalism schools exist if they don't have this exact scenario, right?
Like to me, this is what makes perfect.
You can't have journalism in America unless you confront this.
That journalist wrote, majority of new cases, that's the headline you wrote.
That cannot be.
That simply cannot be.
So, however, we got to get that into schools everywhere that are like, hey, you see this?
Here's an example.
This cannot be.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, a new and maybe, fuck, I didn't go to journalism school and I've been out of college for a while, so maybe things have changed a bit, but a priority for people who are in the field in this current state of the way the clickbait is misused and abused by actors like Alex and so many more now.
You have to play preemptive defense against what you're writing being used as a weapon.
And that is definitely the case.
I agree with you.
But I also, the only reason I have some pause is, I don't know if maybe some journalism schools are incorporating some of that understanding.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
They very well may be.
Right, right, right, right.
Certainly hasn't fleshed out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, I just mean, like, if you study the history of journalism in America, that is a problem that has never even been addressed.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know, it is one that is, if anything, been like barreling towards worseness since the start.
dan friesen
Sensation has sold since people were selling papers on the street.
jordan holmes
The fucking Gutenberg Bible had a pair of tits on it to get the sales numbers juiced up.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
So Alex realizes at some point here, the headline is for the show that he's tweeted out.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe it isn't sensational enough.
jordan holmes
It could be better.
dan friesen
So he starts to workshop it on air.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
alex jones
And now Bill Gates said again, Bill Gates.
Bill Gates.
In fact, our headline on X should be this.
I wrote the headline before I went live.
It's not sensational enough because it needs to match the reality.
So let's retweet.
Let's repost.
Again, the live show feed.
Breaking.
Bill Gates caught secretly.
Well, actually, it's not.
It's hiding a point of view.
jordan holmes
Trying to avoid adverbs in your headlines.
Just throwing that out there.
alex jones
Funding.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Experimental injection.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Ebola vaccine.
jordan holmes
Stop.
alex jones
Peer.
To Americans.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
And it spreads.
No, that's not Cordo.
The headline is what says it all.
I mean, what is happening?
dan friesen
No one cares about anything but the headline.
alex jones
Bill breaking.
Bill Gates caught funding the administration.
This is all about my pay grade, folks.
jordan holmes
I mean, the writer's room is below your pay grade.
dan friesen
He's trying to say he hasn't read any of that.
alex jones
The injection of live Ebola vaccine in the United States.
Or breaking.
Americans now being injected with live Ebola vaccine that sheds.
jordan holmes
That's even worse.
alex jones
Funded by Bill Gates.
Or Bill Gates funding the inoculation of Americans with live Ebola vaccine in the United States.
dan friesen
I mean, so yeah, I mean, it is kind of an exercise in exactly what you're talking about.
Alex is trying to figure out that headline that is the sensational thing that will, you know, he's trying to figure out like, what can I stand behind?
jordan holmes
Where are my tits on this Bible?
dan friesen
I'm not going to get sued.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But what can I stand behind in terms of a headline that is fucking sensational?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's going to freak people out.
jordan holmes
Man, he is not good with the English language.
Truly, it is amazing to listen to that man walk.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've noticed that.
And if you read his books, one of the telltale signs that he didn't write it is some of the senses make sense?
Some have commas in the right places.
And then some use words that I'm like, there's no way out.
That's his word.
You'd listen to thousands of hours of him talk and you get a sense of like, all right, this is the rhythm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway, he goes on to lie more about the study.
Sure.
alex jones
And now we're sitting here while they're injecting medical workers in Colorado and other states with a live quote attenuated, but it's still live.
Ebola shot.
And then 31% in their own government study shed it onto other people and they get sick.
Just like the Pfizer shot and the Moderna shot.
And you're like, well, they got big balls.
Yeah, the sky's the limit, folks.
dan friesen
Yeah, sky's the limit.
So in that clip, you see the layers of made-up shit that Alex is working with.
He says that people in other states are being given the shot.
Can't prove that unless, but he's just talking about his trials, clinical trials.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it was approved in 2019.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So he's misrepresenting the 31% shedding number and making up out of thin air that people got sick because of it.
He was making up that the Pfizer and Moderna shots caused shedding.
Those are mRNA shots and literally cannot cause shedding because you aren't even being given a weakened version of the virus.
I recognize that this might be a little bit repetitive, but there's something going on that Alex is doing in this episode that I wanted to illustrate.
He has a very poor grasp on the story he's covering and making it into the biggest news of the day.
So he has to constantly repeat the basics of the story in order to get used to the beats of it.
He's practicing.
And in one take, he hits one exaggeration or fabrication.
Then in the next, he works in a second one.
And as he goes along, he combines them into the larger threads that make up the lie and then become the overarching narrative.
We're essentially seeing conspiracy oral tradition in practice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it does not happen all the time.
Like listening to his show, you don't always hear this.
And this is a really clear-cut example of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's definitely that, like, that aspect that he brings that is so specific, which is it can only be him in the writer's room.
You know, like there's nobody there who's going to be like, no, edit that.
Cut it down.
It's got to be something that's purely generated by this fucking idiot.
dan friesen
Yep.
And, you know, he goes on to practice some more here.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So they are in.
jordan holmes
How many years have we been doing this?
And he's still here.
alex jones
Hospital workers, you know, there's other trials going on with an Ebola vaccine that creates this derivative of Ebola in the body that then replicates and then sheds onto other people.
And then it lists here: headaches, nausea, comas, passing out, bleeding sores, Ebola.
ebola ebola ebola so i wanted to be sensational Bill Gates caught injecting healthcare workers with live Ebola.
That's really what it is.
But it's so hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty sensational.
alex jones
I'm talking about myself and say, well, you know.
jordan holmes
That's illegal.
alex jones
Let's talk about it coming up.
dan friesen
He's a public figure.
alex jones
It's probably fine.
I'm ahead of this.
Because if you look at the Globalist War Games, they're constantly talking about Ebola hitting the United States or Europe and the panic it's going to create.
And how they're going to use that for control in their UN treaty.
dan friesen
See, you can kind of feel like what Alex is doing is he's talking himself towards the edge of more sensationalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to justify and rationalize by inch, by degree, trying to get there to the end goal, which is he wants to just say that Bill Gates is trying to give everyone Ebola.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's just trying to get there.
And I'm not sure that Alex fully understands what Ebola is.
jordan holmes
I was trying to think of something, and then I was like, Ebola vaccine sheds, then spreads.
dan friesen
And I was like, shedding and spreading.
jordan holmes
That's a pretty fair, that's a pretty fair headline because in my head, it's like, okay, the headline, you make people want to read further.
And then I was like, ah, ha ha ha, Jordan, you fool.
In InfoWars world, the headline should be all of the information that you are looking for.
And the idea of writing anything further than that is all you is like, that's what you do to give somebody money.
dan friesen
InfoWars operates on the onion model.
Yeah.
You know, it's mostly the headline.
jordan holmes
Mostly the headline.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I don't think Alex has a grasp on this virus.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the problem.
All right.
Here's the problem.
And I think that's what he really exploits.
I don't think anybody other than a very, very informed scientist has a clear grasp on Ebola.
Because that's fucking Ebola.
dan friesen
You can know some broad strokes of it.
jordan holmes
Sure, I know some broad strokes.
It's virtual.
dan friesen
It's like that Dustin Hoffman movie.
jordan holmes
Scary as shit.
It's got like a little curvy thing whenever they show it on a microscope.
I get it.
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
There is that curvy thing.
jordan holmes
It's a little curvy thing.
Yeah.
That's terrifying.
I get it.
But it's not like I understand Ebola and how it makes how Ebola is like specific.
Ebola might as well be influenza, might as well be a virus as a virus in my head.
dan friesen
Well, then I guess I would advise you to look into it a little more because you can.
jordan holmes
I understand that I can.
I understand that all that stuff.
But as far as functional knowledge for human beings as a whole, I could look that up and I could know that for a very short period of time.
dan friesen
And I think some of the unfamiliarity about it comes from a place of luxury, that it is so disconnected from our realities that you don't need to know much about it other than it's scary.
jordan holmes
For sure.
And that's what Alex can exploit.
Yeah.
But it's not like something that's unique to InfoWars listeners that is kind of like stupid.
I'm trying to point out that I don't know that much about viruses is all I'm really trying to say.
dan friesen
Well, you didn't go to school for it.
jordan holmes
I did not.
dan friesen
And you don't write a substack.
jordan holmes
So I wish I wish I did.
Well, if I did, I would know less about viruses, I feel like.
dan friesen
Based on my experience, that might be true.
So it has a distorted list of adverse events here that are seen in the Urvebo from the trials that they've had.
I can't find comas listed anywhere.
And when he says bleeding sores, I guess he just means mouth sores.
jordan holmes
Bleeding sores.
dan friesen
It doesn't sound quite as scary when it says mouth sores or whatever.
I didn't see passing out listed, but tiredness is on the list.
So I guess that's close enough for jazz.
jordan holmes
When was the last time?
Oh, you've got passing out disease.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
So in terms of actual analysis of adverse events, the vaccine has relatively few.
It's a pretty safe profile for a vaccine.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So we all know what this is about.
Alex is sensationalizing like crazy.
alex jones
Because once they're identified and once people admit the horror of what we're facing, there's no way for the globalists to ever reverse this.
But we're headed into unprecedented times, and now's the time to boost your immune system.
Now's the time to be as healthy as it is.
unidentified
Immense system.
alex jones
Now the time is to break the purified water and get as much sunlight as you can.
jordan holmes
Purify that water.
alex jones
Now is the time to foggy in Chicago.
Free speech outlets that tell the truth and don't back down.
And we need funds to continue on, plus, see the products we've got.
So please go to InfowarStore.com right now and take advantage of our new big special.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's all essentially leading to the call to action.
Yeah, you know, I think that there's a deeply unethical part of this that he starts the ad with, now it's time to boost your immune system, like he's obviously using the specter and fear of Ebola to sell his products.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there's.
unidentified
No, he got a.
jordan holmes
He got a written letter from Letitia from New York.
Right yeah, it's the same thing, it's the same thing.
So if he can keep doing it, then that letter really doesn't mean fucking shit, does it?
dan friesen
Well, there's a narrow set of actions that he took that caused that.
Right, this is within the realm of like, shitty marketing behavior.
Right, it's not.
It's not.
It's not something that's gonna get you a cease and desist.
Sure, it's just deeply unethical right, I mean.
jordan holmes
But by letting it happen now, you understand, that's what leads to the ceases and desists later.
dan friesen
Yeah no, I agree with you.
I just don't know if the government can take action on something like that, whereas we can call it out and be like, go fuck yourself, you dude.
So now Alex has something sad to discuss.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And that is that, well, it's about Robert F. Kennedy.
alex jones
And here is a Jezebel article, and it reports on a...
jordan holmes
Do you read Jezebel?
alex jones
Variety report, an interview with the wife of RFK Jr.
Cheryl Hines seems cool with RFK Jr.'s conspiracy theories, but draws the line in Alex Jones.
And then she goes on to say, and that's a speech for her.
jordan holmes
That really hurts.
alex jones
She tells her husband, don't associate with Alex Jones and with Steve Mannon, and that he follows her orders.
jordan holmes
Cheryl.
Cheryl.
alex jones
Well, it's not like I need him to come on my show.
That would just add to his credibility.
But it's all right here.
Wow, your wife tells you and say, interview.
They're quoting an interview here.
I don't just believe the media when I see it.
This is her on a podcast.
RFK Jr.'s wife has him by the balls.
That's sad, Victor.
That's sad, man.
unidentified
Alex is lamenting that Cheryl Hines won't let RFK associate with him anymore.
jordan holmes
Cheryl Hines won't let me hang out with RFK.
I hate the present.
I want to go back to the past.
I don't even care which past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The present involves sentences like, Cheryl Hines won't let Alex Jones play with RFK anymore.
dan friesen
I do think that there was a past where I didn't know that Cheryl Hines was married to RFK Jr., and that was more pleasant.
jordan holmes
It was a better past.
unidentified
It was.
dan friesen
I got to say that Alex has a weird line there where he says, I'm not just believing the media.
This links to a podcast.
So you didn't listen to the podcast.
You are just believing the media.
You didn't consult the primary source.
jordan holmes
Nope, it links to the primary source.
Yeah.
And I didn't follow up on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, I mean, you know, just, you know, in a nutshell is so much like the, that is the level.
That's do your own research.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's what Alex is talking about when he says do your own research.
When you're doing somebody that says this thing.
Go find somebody, but if they have a link, then it's real.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're fine.
jordan holmes
If you have a, if you hyperlink, then you're real.
If a place doesn't hyperlink, if there's no hyperlinks, ah, that's just some asshole talking.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And in the case of some outlets, that's generally like, you know, maybe you don't need to go as deep.
jordan holmes
Microsoft and Carta.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
But, you know, it's something that's going to be exploited.
That mind trick that's like, well, they wouldn't include a link if it didn't prove exactly what they said.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
You know, and then it's like.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't hypertext something to nowhere.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
This is a blog post by Dr. Marble.
Unreal.
What is going on?
jordan holmes
How are we here?
dan friesen
So this whole show is basically up to this point, and maybe for a while, just repetition of this narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It is just the beats worked out.
alex jones
By the way, print me all the articles I asked you to show earlier.
Headline A.P. Reuters, majority of polio caused by polio vaccine.
That's going to be very useful to show how that's a live virus, too, and the same thing.
Yes, our government with Bill Gates is injecting healthcare workers in Colorado and other states with live Ebola and they're shedding it.
See, they're working down the street with a Pentagon project studying Ebola.
You know it's a Pentagon project.
Old headlines, Pentagon, stinger-release, bioweapon, kill people in New York subways, 1968.
It's the same thing now.
Our Pentagon is seized by globalists, by eugenicists that are at war with us.
Our military, on average, isn't mad.
That's why they're being purged to give them experimental shots and talk critical race theory and transgenderism because they're purging the military.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
alex jones
The military is great, but not the leadership.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
So print me those articles I had you pull up earlier.
I want to show that dovetailing with all this to explain it next hour with Dr. Richard Bartlett and other expert guests on this huge breaking now news story.
The government, with Bill Gates, is injecting medical workers with an Ebola vaccine that creates Ebola-like symptoms and spreads.
Oh, my gosh.
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dan friesen
Yeah, these products are great.
So one aspect of what Alex is doing is practicing the narratives and working out the beats where he wants to exaggerate things.
But another aspect is just repeatedly driving the narrative into the audience's head.
He says this over and over and over because if you do that, there's a better chance that your audience is just going to take that on as true, whatever you're saying.
In this clip, Alex has directly connected the healthcare workers who were vaccinated with the Colorado State University Bat Lab, which is apparently a Pentagon project now, too.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just down the street, after all.
The healthcare workers are in Denver, and the CSU lab is in Fort Collins.
It's a good 70 miles away, just down the road when the road's a highway.
Sure.
Also, Alex is going to need to show that the lab is a Pentagon project, and just talking about some unconnected incident from the 60s isn't going to help.
They got an NIH grant, but that's not going to cut it in terms of Alex's claim either.
Another problem with Alex's narrative is the Fort Collins lab is explicitly not going to be studying Ebola.
It does not have the clearance to do that.
And the bats they're going to be studying are going to be born there free from wild diseases.
So there's no chance that Ebola is just going to randomly pop up in that environment.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One of the reasons.
jordan holmes
There's no chance it'll randomly pop up in that environment.
alex jones
You get it.
dan friesen
You get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you can see how Alex has this narrative that's built up from all these distortions of various aspects of these two stories.
And on their own, they don't really do much.
But when they're combined, they form into a really powerful clickbait story that's going to be useful to freak the audience out.
That's what he's practicing on air here.
The best way to combine his lies in an effective thesis statement that conveys the right amount of terror to the audience to get them to go to InfowarStore.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I was thinking about the distance there.
And, you know, in my head, from stand-up driving, you know, all that 70 miles, it's about an hour.
That's practically nothing.
But then you think, like, okay, 70 miles, but they're carrying coolers with like super deadly murder viruses, kill the whole world kind of stuff.
You don't want to be driving that far.
You don't want to be driving an hour.
You don't want to be driving 10 minutes.
That should be walking distance.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
You know who you call.
Smokey and the bandit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
For a convoy?
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's bats in East Arcana.
jordan holmes
I think that would work.
dan friesen
They've got vaccines in Atlanta.
Right, right, right.
And there's bats in Texas, Arcana.
jordan holmes
I'm developing a plan, all right?
So we're in our heist situation.
We get Dr. Dick Bart.
All right.
We infect him with Ebola.
That way he gets back into that hospital that he's not allowed to unless he's sick.
dan friesen
No, because then he would have to go to the one in Denver.
jordan holmes
That's the only one he's going to do.
dan friesen
Well, actually, no, because he's in Texas.
I'm not sure.
So each of the, there's regional centers that cover a number of states.
I'm not sure if that Denver one covers Texas.
I did not.
No, it doesn't, because there is a Texas.
There's one of those centers in Texas.
alex jones
Right.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, then my plan is starting to come together.
dan friesen
No, it's foiled.
jordan holmes
Ah, shit.
dan friesen
Wrong hospital.
alex jones
Damn it.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex rattles off his evidence here, and I think that this is worth paying attention to.
alex jones
And they're giving this experimental shot to medical workers, and we have the studies that 30-plus percent are shedding it.
How is it doing it?
What's happening?
And why is Dr. Bartlett saying, medical doctor, this is so dangerous?
I think we can all.
jordan holmes
Why do you have to repeat, medical doctor?
Let me say more about you.
alex jones
With us right now.
Ebola vaccine that sheds onto and infects others.
jordan holmes
Shed it, don't spread it.
alex jones
Ebola vaccine that sheds onto and infects others 31% of the time, given to Colorado healthcare workers just down the road from the new Ebola bat lab in Colorado.
Here is the immune Colorado announcement.
Denver Health Medical Team receives Ebola vaccine.
You're going to give me an overhead shot.
I'm going to show people this.
This is from the local government.
Here's the actual breakdown of the so-called Ebola vaccine from the FDA.
There's the document there.
A randomized controlled trial of Ebola vaccine disease therapeutics.
What these vaccines have done, all the outbreaks they've caused.
Same Bill Gates-backed live Ebola vaccine distributed before Africa's 2016, 2018, 2020, 21, 2022 outbreaks was just given to Colorado healthcare workers.
U.S. Army now developing new Ebola medicines.
So it's not hard to see what's happening here.
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
How do they disagree with that?
alex jones
Vaccine that sheds of a deadly pathogen to healthcare workers.
This is a big, big deal.
From the evidence I've seen, it's ultra-illegal.
dan friesen
Ultra-illegal.
That's a legal designation.
jordan holmes
I would hate to be doing something ultra-illegal.
dan friesen
Man, that sounds like a lot of evidence that Alex has rattled off.
jordan holmes
I really don't think it does.
dan friesen
It feels kind of like he has this thing well documented.
There were a bunch of headlines.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't think I understand exactly what it was he was even trying to apply, really.
dan friesen
So what I'm going to do here is I'm going to take that clip and I'm going to go one by one through the headlines that he used and illustrate why this is a pile of nothing.
So here's the first one.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Ebola vaccine that sheds onto and infects others 31% of the time given to Colorado healthcare workers just down the road from the new Ebola Bat Lab in Colorado.
dan friesen
So that headline is an article on John Fleetwood's Substack where he misrepresents that study about shedding in children.
That study doesn't show that anyone was infected by this.
That's a fabrication on Fleetwood's part, which is why Alex is using the Substack post as a source instead of the actual study.
jordan holmes
It would be a.
dan friesen
Also, the Bat Lab isn't down the road and they aren't studying Ebola.
John Substack post doesn't prove any of this.
It's just asserted in the headline, which is the only part of any of this that Alex pays attention to.
Further, John's post straight up lies.
For instance, he says the CSU lab, quote, proposals for the 14,000 square foot facility indicate the lab could store and study some of the most deadly or transmissible pathogens on the planet, including Ebola, Nipah virus, and COVID-19.
You can find the grant summary for this bat lab, and they say in it, quote, pathogens transmitted by bat vectors continue to burden the health of humans around the world, as evident by the number of emerging zoonotic viruses that cause high mortality in humans that originate in bats.
SARS Cove, MERS Cove, and SARS-CoV-2, Ebola virus, Marburg virus, Nipah virus, and Hendravirus.
Then there's a side note right off to the side.
jordan holmes
We're not fucking with any of those.
dan friesen
It says, quote, CSU does not and will not have these pathogens on any of its campuses.
These pathogens require the highest level of biosafety in a laboratory.
CSU does not have laboratories with these capabilities.
Research on these pathogens take place in other states with specially equipped laboratories.
So the proposal says the opposite of what John Substack is saying.
jordan holmes
New headline.
unidentified
Nana na na bat lab.
dan friesen
It's not bad.
There's something there.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So here's the next headline Alex has instead of that one, which I wish he had.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Here is the Immune Colorado announcement.
Denver Health Medical Team receives Ebola vaccine.
You're going to give me an overhead shot.
I'm going to show people this.
This is from the local government.
dan friesen
So that is a real headline.
And so we've established thus far that some healthcare workers got a vaccine.
That is an uncontroversial fact.
No one is disputing that.
jordan holmes
Healthcare.
happening.
dan friesen
So here's the next one.
alex jones
Here's the actual breakdown of the so-called Ebola vaccine from the FDA.
There's the document there.
dan friesen
So that's the FDA's page, including the approval of this vaccine from 2019 and a discussion of evidence of its efficacy.
This doesn't further any of Alex's narratives.
jordan holmes
FDA does job.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So we've established those two things basically, and then John Substack was nonsense.
unidentified
Here we go.
dan friesen
Here's the next headline.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
A randomized controlled trial of Ebola vaccine disease therapeutics.
What these vaccines have done, all the outbreaks they've caused.
dan friesen
That's about therapeutics, like monoclonal antibodies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This has nothing to do with vaccines, but Alex doesn't know that because he hasn't read it and he doesn't understand this headline that he's cold reading.
He claimed he read all these for two hours.
Such bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's Derek.
dan friesen
So here's the last headline.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Shane Bill Gates backed live Ebola vaccine distributed before Africa's 2016, 2018, 2020, 21, 2022 outbreaks was just given to Colorado healthcare workers.
U.S. Army now developing new Ebola medicines.
dan friesen
So this is just another headline from John Fleetwood Substack post posting that doesn't go on to justify its assertion.
I noticed that this is pretty much all John Fleetwood's stuff, and it made it click for me that this is like Alex is reading off this headline about therapeutics and he thinks it's about virus.
The vaccine, excuse me, it made me understand that.
He doesn't understand the story he's covering at all, and he's making it up as he goes along.
But part of that Fleetwood blog post about shedding included complaints about the use of remdesivir as one of the therapeutics people were trying in relation to Ebola.
And he links to that New England Journal of Medicine article that Alex thinks is about vaccines.
It seems clear to me that John Fleetwood just sent all this over to Alex.
He didn't read the therapeutics article nor John Substack posts and has just made up his own story about it.
The more I see how much of this is just kind of an ad for John Substack, whether it's paid or not.
It's all just panic about Ebola.
Go to my store and read John Substack.
Either way, whatever the case, this is a mountain of evidence that Alex is presenting behind his narrative, and none of it means anything.
He can fool his audience by rattling off a ton of headlines in a row, but if you take the time to assess them individually and see what he's talking about and where it comes from, you'll find that he hasn't proven anything, which is your instinct to begin with.
So I think you were right on.
jordan holmes
You know what I find fascinating about that is that that is, in essence, intelligence failures.
Like across the board, whenever you have, you know, like 9-11, like, yes, you have all of the information.
You have more than enough information.
So much information that if you hand it all to somebody, they're not going to be able to make any decision other than to pick out the information they already like and pursue that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's all noise to Alex.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
And there's no actual unless you have signal clear, then you're fucked.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, thankfully, we have these two anti-vax weirdos on to clear up the signal.
jordan holmes
Well, I don't think that's good.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's good.
dan friesen
So here's Richard Bartlett showing up.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dick Bartlett.
dr richard bartlett
Never before have we had anyone in Denver, Colorado, or Colorado at all vaccinated for Ebola.
So this is history making two months ago.
unidentified
Is it?
dr richard bartlett
Why would they be doing that?
They said they're doing it in preparation for a potential Ebola outbreak.
Why would they be thinking that's possible?
Well, there's a lab being created down the street from Denver in Colorado Springs where they're literally, it's advertising that they will be doing bat research, and it has been reported that they will be working with Ebola, Nipah virus, and COVID.
dan friesen
So notice the way that Bartlett said that there.
It's been reported that the lab is going to work with Ebola and all this stuff.
That's a crafty workaround where someone can kind of lie without technically lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if somebody says something, a synonym for saying something is reporting.
And if I say somebody is reporting something, that's like reporters reporting something.
dan friesen
So I was asking myself, it's been reported, but by whom?
Is it just John Fleetwood's Substack post?
So that post on his substack has a source, which is a Daily Mail article, which doesn't have any proof, but it says, quote, proposals seen by this website show how the 14,000 square foot facility could store and study some of the most transmissible pathogens on the planet, including Ebola, Nipavirus, and COVID-19.
They don't present these documents in the article, and I can easily find the grant proposal abstract that explicitly says the opposite.
So I guess the burden of proof is on them, which hasn't been reached.
So I can see that what they might be misrepresenting is that these conditions very well may be studied elsewhere using the bats that are born and raised in the Colorado lab that is in question.
But that research will be being done elsewhere.
So I dug into this a little bit and I think I found out what's going on.
There's two different grants and they're being confused and conflated together.
Everything that I've said is accurate about the Colorado State University Bat Lab that got this grant, but there's a second grant for a different thing that is also at CSU.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Like that time I confused Horace Grant and Hugh Grant.
dan friesen
Big mistake.
jordan holmes
Love actually was the wrong movie that I was in.
dan friesen
Hugh Grant doesn't wear the goggles.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't wear goggles at all.
dan friesen
So this is for research that's being done by a doctor named Tony Schontz.
The part that has like with Ebola, Nipavirus, and that stuff.
He runs a lab at the Center for Vector-Borne Infectious Diseases, which is associated with the Colorado State University.
Sure.
This is a BSL-3 level lab that has been around for decades that does work with insect as well as bat-related diseases.
Schounts got a similar grant with the title, quote, Establishment of a Bat Resource for Infectious Disease Research, awarded in September 2023, whereas the grant for the bat lab is titled, quote, Establishment of the Bat Resource Center for the Study of Zoonotic Diseases.
And that was awarded two years prior, and it is run by a completely different professor at the school.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even so, this other lab is not going to be dealing with Ebola.
That's work that they may be associated with or participate in those studies, but that's being done at a different location where there's BSL-4 facilities and everything.
You can look through the papers published by people at this lab, and when they involve BSL-4 pathogens like Ebola, the research is done elsewhere, like in the case of a 2018 study on snakes and Ebola that was done at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.
Their grant application mentions some of these more serious pathogens because that lab is actually studying those, but they're doing it elsewhere.
jordan holmes
Here's what I think is funny about that.
We never stood a chance.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The moment that happened, everybody should have been like, oh, is this a good idea?
And then, yeah, this was going to happen.
dan friesen
So the issue that we come to at the bottom of this is that there are these two different grants that are being mixed up and conflated.
And the Daily Mail article is relying on documents that were shown to them by the White Coat Waste Project, which is a right-wing animal rights activist group.
And it appears that they may have gotten some of their facts wrong.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
Whether it's through sloppy handling of facts or through intentional misrepresentation, I can't say.
But it appears that these two bat-related grants involving Colorado State University have been turned into the same thing by figures of the conspiracy and right-wing media.
And that's how we've gotten to the place that we're at now.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I'm still confused about Nazis that don't torture animals.
I'm confused about this whole idea.
That's wild.
dan friesen
It's, yeah, I didn't look too deeply into them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like more information on these silly people.
dan friesen
I mean, look, I think that caring about animals isn't exclusive to the right.
Or the left, excuse me.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that it is.
I think caring about animals is certainly a great thing that all human beings do, organizing around it.
Organizing around it and right-wing principles seems very difficult to do, though.
dan friesen
I think some of it may be a cover for anti-vax beliefs because a lot of the stuff that I found on their website was about like the Wuhan lab.
jordan holmes
You need free animal testing clinics, but really we're not caring about the animals so much as we are making sure that all scientists are murdered.
dan friesen
I don't want to say that for sure that they don't care about animals because they very well may.
I don't know enough about the subject.
jordan holmes
We all care about animals.
dan friesen
But it does seem like a lot of their coverage is about anti-vax stuff.
I've seen a lot of that.
So that's what's going on with this lab shit.
There are two different grants that no one is realizing that they're talking about the wrong one.
Right.
And so there we are.
jordan holmes
And if they are, they really don't care and they wouldn't want you to know anyways.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I detect obliviousness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, totally.
But I mean, even if they did know, it'd be like, well, we're just going to, it's better for us if shits are the same.
john fleetwood
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has said hello to Bartlett, and now he throws it to the old Fleetwood.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
I want to spend a few minutes with your highly recommended Let's Cape Journalist familiar with his work, John Fleetwood, johnfleetwood.com on Substack.
John, you've been helping Kole to get this all together.
We've got about three minutes, four minutes to bring.
Give us your view on what you're witnessing.
john fleetwood
Well, if I can, General Jones, it's an honor to be on your show.
I've been listening to you for a long time.
I learned how to read and report with the news from you and your crew.
And if I could, I would just like to recommend that everybody get Survival Shield on InfowarStore.com.
I haven't gotten sick since I've been taking that.
dan friesen
Bad start.
jordan holmes
They just, it's like, it's like they, it's like a disease, it's like a call and response thing.
Just, you know, like, oh, you're welcome to the show.
Hey, I love whatever crazy product you're selling your ass off today.
dan friesen
You taught me how to report the news.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Get ready to get sued down the road somewhere then, buddy, because you've been taught an irresponsible model.
jordan holmes
His monotone sounds almost computerized.
It's bad.
dan friesen
You think it's the Klaus Schwab AI?
jordan holmes
It has a vibe to it, but it's not good.
dan friesen
Well, let's hear a little bit more of this.
Oh, I agree with that.
And Alex gets real fucking bored of him.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
I believe that strongly.
dan friesen
Apparently, the compliments and flattery are not enough in this case.
But here, listen to a little more of him.
john fleetwood
So what I like to do is see the whole picture here and how everything is connected.
The Hervibo vaccine is made by Merck, a pharmaceutical company.
And Merck is owned by BlackRock Vanguard and State Street.
Alex, you report on those asset managers a lot.
BlackRock has $10 trillion under management.
unidentified
Sure.
john fleetwood
That's more than the GDP of every country in the world, leaving out the U.S. and China.
dan friesen
Big things to leave out.
john fleetwood
That's the problem here.
That's how it connects with the WEF.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So seeing the whole picture is code for drawing connections wherever I want to in order to write a fun story.
Vanguard holds 9.18% of Merck stock.
BlackRock, 5.13%, and State Street, 4.57%.
Sure.
Even combined, they don't represent a controlling interest.
Even if you add in the stuff that's held in mutual funds that they control of Merck's stock, it's still only a few percentage points more than that.
john fleetwood
Sure.
dan friesen
All said, the three companies are about 30% of the stock, which is a lot.
But Yahoo Finance did an analysis and found that, quote, 25 of the top shareholders collectively own less than 50% of share register, but also found that only 22% of the stock was held by the general public.
So it's not a great picture, but it's not what he's saying.
Fleetwood has taken some stuff he's got out of context about Merck's stock in order to connect the manufacturer of the Ebola vaccine to BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street, which then allows him to connect it to the World Economic Forum and the boogeyman of the season, Klaus Schwab.
Seems like there's an easier path to this.
The World Health Organization.
I think you could just draw even, but it's fun to talk about BlackRock Street and Vanguard.
jordan holmes
Here's my problem.
Here's my ultimate problem with all these fuckers.
All right.
This is when we're down to brass tax.
dan friesen
Brass it.
jordan holmes
Brass tax.
All right.
Fuck all your conspiracy theories.
If you're going to pull this shit, take one of them down.
All right.
Get all your conspiracy nuts.
Take down Vanguard or whatever.
And then see what happens to just see, like, oh, does any of this connection shit actually make any fucking sense?
Knock over a domino and then see where the rest of them fall.
Stop telling me about it.
dan friesen
Well, they're also annoying.
Well, they're also like ignoring.
I thought it was funny because like Charles Schwab also owns a lot of those.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's like, I think maybe you don't bring that up because it confuses.
jordan holmes
There are too many.
Yeah, oh, Klaus and Charles, are they brothers?
Are they working together?
Yeah, fucking.
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So when you say knock down one of the dominoes, do you mean, what do you mean?
jordan holmes
Ah, just knock it over.
However they choose to interpret that sentence.
The point is.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's possible on an individual level.
jordan holmes
Sure, no, but that's what I'm saying.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So you're in your head.
dan friesen
If you imagine the absence of this one company, what does that then imply?
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That exercise would be difficult.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's all connected, baby.
john fleetwood
That's how this is all connected.
The WEF is the head.
Maybe you can go behind that and point to the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
Maybe you can do that.
But what we can prove is that the WEF is pushing this depopulation agenda, their great reset, at the end of which you'll loan nothing and you'll be happy.
They have as an official partner, BlackRock, this asset manager who owns all of the pharmaceutical industry.
They also own all the news industry from CNN, ABC, CBS.
Wow, they got them both.
That's the same asset managers who run all the news agencies from Fox News to CNN.
It doesn't matter if it's left or right or it's mainstream.
It's owned and controlled by BlackRock, who's a partner with the WEF.
This is a real boardwalk and these are the industries from Pfizer is owned by BlackRock.
AstraZeneca is owned by BlackRock.
Johnson ⁇ Johnson's.
alex jones
So they own the government responses.
They own the regulators.
john fleetwood
They own everything.
alex jones
And now they're injecting people in Libabola in Colorado.
I mean, it's just, what an incredible scandal.
dan friesen
Amazing scandal.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm talking about.
All right.
Because this is fucked.
You can't do that.
You cannot do that shit.
Because now you have said they own the media, which is already something that I hate.
They own the government, which is already something I hate.
They own all the fucking pharmaceutical companies.
You have accidentally concentrated too much power in too small a space.
dan friesen
In an imaginary villain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because in this case, now there's only one answer, which is let's go fuck those guys up right now.
dan friesen
You push no alternative.
Yeah, you're totally disempowered.
jordan holmes
I can't be in the media.
That doesn't mean anything.
I can't be in the media.
dan friesen
If you try to get a message out into the media, they'll just destroy you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
They own the government, so you can't get any reform.
jordan holmes
What's so important for these is the aspect of it's possible to make change from the inside.
You know, there has to be that level of like, if we stop this, if we get the Patriots in the stuff, if we do the right thing, you can't concentrate too much power there because then the answer suddenly becomes, okay, well, then we'll get 30 guys and we'll kill this guy.
That's what we have to do.
dan friesen
Well, maybe that's where your mind goes.
But the other alternative is read my soap stack.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I had not considered that.
dan friesen
When you disempower an audience so heavily, the way you're describing, there is the reaction that is like, well, now we go Project Mayhem.
And then there's also the reaction that's like, well, I can't really do anything about this.
I better support the people who are fighting.
And those people are Alex.
jordan holmes
See, John.
But that's the thing.
Like, I agree with you.
I just don't understand the support the people part.
Because to me, it's like, well, anything that isn't solving the problem that you have clearly laid out.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's no mistaking it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's this imaginary premise that's built in that once we expose that this is the reality, we can do something about it or whatever.
jordan holmes
See, you just can't make them too powerful.
That makes your options so limited.
dan friesen
It should.
It should make it that way.
But somehow, you know, everybody's just in a passive state of taking this information in.
jordan holmes
I'm the fool thinking that things matter.
dan friesen
So it is true that asset management companies represent a significant problem that we need to address through greater regulation and likely breaking them up.
But to just pretend that they control everything, it's a lazy cop-out.
What does it mean to someone like John Fleetwood that BlackRock owns these companies?
It doesn't mean anything in his world because it's not a concrete claim.
It's just a shortcut to connect various threads together.
Honestly, this stuff does make me kind of mad.
Maybe not as mad as you, but I'm a little mad.
jordan holmes
I'm an angrier person.
dan friesen
Because companies like BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street are an issue we need to deal with, but shit like this will never begin to mount actual opposition to the companies, except for hypothetically what you're talking about, like blowing up a, you know what I mean.
No, I mean, I think that what you're saying is that that is a conclusion that if you take in John's premise of them up.
jordan holmes
In the world we exist in, you can say these guys are a problem.
Okay, so now we have legislation on the table that's going to curb the amount of buh that you can own at buh.
That's a way we can handle this.
dan friesen
Antitrust is something that has been done in the past.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Teddy Roosevelt, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You have now established, though, that the same people who I would be regulating if I got into government my own damn self own it.
So I can't do that.
There's no avenue other than violence or an aspect of something, you know, like subterfuge or like stealing it.
dan friesen
Or what is essentially submission in the form of just yeah, just saying like, eh, fuck it, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's, it's, it's a creating an impotence in terms of dealing with the actual problem, which to me is really frustrating because they just turn them into a boogeyman that like you pretend to fight against and you're not.
You're not fighting against anything.
jordan holmes
No, I find them so much more terrifying because they don't care.
dan friesen
Like Alex and John?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
The BlackRocks and the Vanguards and all that.
Like if I true, if I believed that they were trying to kill us all, I would at least be like, well, at least they acknowledge that other human beings exist.
I think the most terrifying aspect of them is that they don't care.
Like they own 5% of Merck, but that's just because they get a better return on investment.
It has nothing to do with pharmacy.
It doesn't mean anything.
We'll get 5% extra compared to if we invested in this.
It means nothing to us.
Human beings are nothing to us.
That's scary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, to whatever extent the individuals within the company may have some humanistic feelings and stuff like that, that is probably the case.
But as an entity, it is a bottom-line issue.
And yeah, it does suck.
But anyway, my large point is that this is just, as we've illustrated, disempowering boogeyman nonsense that doesn't help anything.
So Bartlett comes back in.
dr richard bartlett
The number one cause of polio now in Africa is the live virus vaccine virus.
And so what could happen with a live Ebola virus vaccine that they have already started to use in Colorado?
We can only imagine.
But we need to intervene and stop this gain of function, genetic engineering with deadly viruses.
It's supposed to be a level four biosafety lab if it's going to work with Ebola.
And it's been reported that that lab is supposed to be a level two, which should not is not supposed to be working with Ebola.
So we need to have more information.
We need eyes on this.
We need everybody scrutinizing what's going on with that lab right now in Colorado Springs.
dan friesen
So you can see how much of this traces back to and relies on misrepresentations about the polio vaccine and insisting that this one, this vaccine, is the same.
It's sloppy.
So Bartlett wanted people to look into this stuff, so I have, and I found that his work is shit.
The lab's in Fort Collins, not Colorado Springs.
They aren't doing gain of function research.
The lab that works with the more dangerous diseases is a completely different lab associated with CSU.
And that one is a BSL3 lab.
There are just countless errors with the narrative that's being put forth.
And that's because this isn't an organic conspiracy, which is to say, it's a conspiracy that begins with a conclusion and is working backwards to fill in the details.
I scrutinize the information presented.
I have eyes on this as Bartlett has requested.
I find it all lacking.
It is shit.
jordan holmes
If I was concerned about a lab having a disease potentially capable of killing a large number of people, and possibly people planning to release it through that.
The absolute last thing that I would want is a bunch of my conspiracy weirdos around the lab.
Even if I know for a fact there are evil, shady businesses going on with there, they are only going to cause more problems than they are helping the situation.
dan friesen
Well, the good news is the lab that they're all worked up about isn't the right one.
jordan holmes
That's also good.
dan friesen
So in terms of the damage they can do, it's probably negligible.
But also they can still harass the shit out of people and make them miserable.
And that's really inappropriate.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's undoubtedly happening.
jordan holmes
Again, don't fuck with people near any disease labs.
Why are disease labs a place that you would be like, let's go hang around there?
You shouldn't be hanging around there.
dan friesen
Not a cool place.
jordan holmes
Under domes of God.
I'm all about domes.
I'm telling you.
Domes are huge.
dan friesen
You love a dome.
jordan holmes
I love a dome.
dan friesen
So Fleetwood comes back in.
And I got to say, I'm worried about this guy.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Listen to this shit.
unidentified
Okay.
john fleetwood
So, what I do, for example, for my COVID research is I go to PubMed, I type COVID, and I type vaccine.
I hit enter, and then I sort by date.
So I get the most recent peer-reviewed studies right there at the top.
And all I do is I go looking for oil.
I go reading through all the most recent headlines with those two keywords.
There's usually about a dozen, sometimes more.
For some reason, with the turn of the new year, there have been a lot more studies that have been coming out talking about COVID.
jordan holmes
Give me one thing you learned that you didn't expect.
john fleetwood
You go looking through the headlines for something that you think there might be oil there.
You click it.
You then go read the abstract, which you're always quoting on your show, the abstracts of these studies.
Anybody can read these.
And if you can't read them, just copy the stinking thing, plug it into ChatGPT, or plug it into whatever AI, type simplify, and hit enter.
And it'll simplify you.
Dumb it down as much as you want.
Explain this to a kid.
Explain this to a high schooler.
Explain this to me like I'm five.
Sometimes you have to do that with some of these studies, but anybody can do that.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
That is bad.
That's a bad process.
jordan holmes
Okay, so during Prohibition, right?
The government very wisely was like, let's poison a bunch of beer.
And then when people drink it, they'll be like, let's not drink beer anymore.
And then later on, the government was like, we murdered a lot of people by poisoning the beer.
Right?
I feel like that is exactly what is happening when that guy says, like, just put it into Chat GPT.
Like, you are poisoning a lot of fucking people with this.
dan friesen
Information-wise, I mean, what you're doing is a shit process.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's insane.
dan friesen
There's multiple levels of shit process that are going on here.
There's the relying on AI to explain things.
jordan holmes
Everything about that is wrong.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Second, there is the, I'm just going to go on a fishing expedition for COVID vaccine stories and studies that seem appealing to me.
Here's what that's not good.
jordan holmes
Here's what I don't want to hear from a PhD candidate.
My research process was: I picked two words and skimmed.
That's not good.
dan friesen
And then I had a robot help me.
jordan holmes
Not good enough.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I got to say, I'm worried about this.
jordan holmes
I'm worried.
I'm worried.
Yeah.
john fleetwood
They love Bill Gates, even though you look at him, and he looks like you say it looks like a gargoyle, and he doesn't look healthy at all.
Like we're taking health advice from somebody who doesn't lift, who doesn't go to InfoWarsStore.com and take those supplements to feel great.
And this guy, who, by the way, says his favorite meal is a hamburger.
We're listening to this guy for advice.
dan friesen
Can you believe it?
jordan holmes
He doesn't lift.
All right, sir.
I apologize for this, but a swirly is about to commence.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fucking dork.
Doesn't go to Infowar store and buy all those great products.
Excuse me, Swirly.
unidentified
Gua!
dan friesen
Is this a job interview?
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
He doesn't buy all the great products.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
It's a pretty impressive study.
jordan holmes
Lay it on.
dan friesen
Pretty impressive stuff.
unidentified
Sticker.
jordan holmes
Christ.
dan friesen
So we get to some actual information that Freewood is bringing to the table.
Because at this point, Bartlett's lunch break is over and he's got to go back to the Alex has just left with this guy.
And so here's something.
john fleetwood
The insert for the year Vivo vaccine that they're giving to these Denver Health workers in Colorado, it says that they can detect viruses in the saliva and urine of the vaccinated individuals for up to 28 days.
Now, that doesn't mean that they went looking and they did the studies and tested for a year or two years to find out how long it was and it's only 28 days.
They're just saying 28 days at least.
dan friesen
That's a flat out lie.
From the FDA insert, quote, viral shedding was greatest on day seven and declined thereafter with no shedding detected after day 28.
John is making this up because he's just consulting the FDA insert instead of reading the study that that's based on, which is the study that we discussed earlier.
Because he doesn't know the underlying source, he doesn't know that this study actually did track the children for three months and found that there was no shedding after day 28 and none after the second dose for those that got the second dose.
jordan holmes
So that's the problem when you go fishing is that once you've caught what you're looking for, you don't then go follow up on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You go home and you fry up your fish.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, just when you're looking for oil.
And the oil that he's looking for is shit that'll freak out my antivax audience.
Right.
So, like, yeah, his process is shit.
Right.
Leads him to bad information.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's black.
It comes from the ground and it smells terrible.
It can't be shit.
It's got to be oil.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Bingo.
So here's Fleetwood saying some more dumb stuff.
john fleetwood
This very same vaccine made by Merck, who's an official partner of the World Economic Forum, owned by BlackRock Vanguard State Street and Disney World.
Their ERVO E-R-V-E-B-O vaccine that we've been talking about was given in mass campaigns across Africa before the 2016 outbreak, before the 2018 outbreak, before the 2020 outbreak, before the 2021 outbreak, and before the 2022 outbreak at least.
So these are reported in major mainstream.
alex jones
And that's the biggest takeaway: give these shots, outbreaks happen.
So are you expecting an outbreak in Colorado?
john fleetwood
Well, we're not no stradamus.
jordan holmes
Say yes.
The answer is yes.
john fleetwood
What are you doing?
Opportunity to talk about it.
I was no stridamus.
You don't want to be serious something like this.
But it's highly suspect.
And it's in mainstream sources.
dan friesen
Highly, highly suspect.
jordan holmes
How do you not fucking know how to do this?
dan friesen
I think that is probably the way to do this because, you know, you don't want to be on the hook for saying yes in case nothing happens.
jordan holmes
But you say yes.
dan friesen
You probably should say yes.
Alex wants you to say yes.
jordan holmes
Even if you're a regular doctor, you're like, oh.
dan friesen
So I consulted John's Substack article about this, and he fails to demonstrate that these vaccines were given out before the outbreaks he's listing off.
He does need to prove chronological and causal connection in order to make the sort of claims that he's making, and he does nothing of the sort.
Further, he doesn't seem to have any understanding of the ring vaccination paradigm that they used, where the vaccines were given out after identification of cases to the people who had close contact with the person infected, like a ring around them.
Take, for example, the 2018 outbreak that began in the Kivu provinces of the DRC.
John says that Merck approved sending the DRC 7,500 doses in May 2018, and then in August 2018, there was an outbreak.
He does nothing to illustrate that those doses were administered to anybody, when in reality, it could just be that they stockpiled those for use whenever an outbreak did come.
He needs to illustrate this, and he doesn't.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
Or in the case of the 2021 outbreak, he says that in November 2020, the WHO announced that they had vaccinated more than 40,000 people in the course of that outbreak in the DRC, which was declared over.
Then, in February 2021, there was another outbreak in the DRC.
These were in entirely different locations.
The outbreak that had ended in 2020 was in the Ecuador province, and in the February 2021 one was in the North Kivu province.
They're distinct from one another.
So, claiming that vaccinations in one region caused the outbreak in the other is going to require a little bit more work on John's part, which he has not done.
jordan holmes
You know what I find fascinating?
What I find actually not fascinating, sad, terrifying, and awful about the human race as it stands.
But it is like it's capitalism, really.
Okay.
For me, if I'm watching polio die, if I'm there on the last day of polio watching that poor virus breathe its last, going, right?
My next thought is, who's fucking next, man?
You know, like, now we're going after this virus until every last one of them is dead.
You know, but it is, it is so much like Marburg, you're on the list.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Every fucking one of you is going to die.
You know, that kind of thing.
But it is like, looking at this, there are five outbreaks in the in the it is, it's just money.
Like, we have the money to make the vaccine for everybody in the Congo.
dan friesen
You know, it is theoretically possible.
There are other factors that are at play.
If you read up on it, there are reasons why a blanket vaccination campaign is not necessarily the strategy that they would go with.
jordan holmes
Right, Rara, I understand, but that's not, that's not my point.
My point is not this particular virus.
It is that we exist in a space where it's like we could just say, fuck it.
We're not doing something else today until we destroy this virus.
And that's something that we can't do.
dan friesen
It is unfortunate.
unidentified
Because Vanguard owns 5% of everything or whatever.
jordan holmes
I know.
I know.
dan friesen
There's a lack of public will also.
Like, you may have that vigor, but Alex doesn't.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
No, that's what it's not.
It's not like me being like, oh, this is all.
It is like, this is humanity in a way.
dan friesen
Capitalism is a function in it.
It plays a role for sure, but to say it's all that, I just don't think is...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Imagine trying to convince people that you could say that there are secondary implications of Alex's financial and capitalistic motives that play into his opposition to taking care of some of these issues.
You might be able to make an interesting argument down those lines.
But yeah, it's a mess.
I agree with you, though.
I think that it would be an interesting next evolution of our society to take on the paradigm of fuck you, virus.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is hard.
It is genuinely hard for me, like if I stop and remove myself from being an ape for like five seconds.
It's legitimately, truly insane to think that the Iraq war happened and we haven't gotten rid of more than Poli.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's just insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If it is just a matter of throwing money at it, which that is a large part of it, that is uncautionable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
It is.
It's just crazy.
dan friesen
So, but back to John here.
For him, there's problems like what I was describing all over because this is the result of someone having a conclusion that they're going to arrive at and then molding the information they find to get to that conclusion.
That's all he's doing.
It's all shit.
But if you take nothing away from this episode, know that I had to do it because of the cover of 3000 Day D Anubia.
jordan holmes
It really is.
You have to see it.
You just have to see it.
dan friesen
As I was preparing this episode, I kept questioning myself: am I overstating this?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And then I would pull back up the picture and I would laugh.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
No, every single thing of like the Chuck Tingle cover, you know, all of those will never compare to somebody who's so earnestly making a dick like that.
Which is amazing.
dan friesen
But it's art, too.
I didn't say the Chuck Tingle isn't art, but it is realistic.
There are pictures of people on the covers and stuff.
And this is much more.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's something.
It's something.
dan friesen
So Alex, he can really tell that he's getting bored of talking to this dude.
jordan holmes
I imagine so.
alex jones
So if I have to extrapolate out, finisher point, go ahead.
john fleetwood
I'm just saying it's the same.
We've seen this before.
alex jones
Well, I have to extrapolate out.
Give us your thing, but we have to shrink it out.
They're trying to create a secret project to have Ebola cases and then test on people that have Ebola.
All right, let me teach you how to do that testing project and tell you what shit that looks like to me.
john fleetwood
Yeah, and you asked the right question.
Why are they doing this?
And that's a good question.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a good question.
So yeah, he was complaining about Rem Desivier prior to that clip starting.
And Alex, you could just tell.
It's just like, I'm not interested in this.
jordan holmes
Too late.
dan friesen
Buddy.
jordan holmes
Too late.
dan friesen
Buddy, we need to tell a story.
jordan holmes
Two years too late.
dan friesen
I am just going to throw out some fucking weird shit.
jordan holmes
Just absolute.
That was about as much of a, hey, step aside.
Let me show you how it's done.
dan friesen
We need to make this exciting for a little bit because you're boring me.
jordan holmes
Let's bounce this up a quick nut.
Here's what's going on.
dan friesen
There's a secret experiment where they want to get it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's 100%.
And it's somebody doing a pitch like, nah, your screenplay sucks.
All right, here we go.
We got two people walking to it.
dan friesen
Or it's somebody who's like, I got to step in here and save the ship.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And I'll lay back and let you bore people for a little bit longer.
dan friesen
So he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like when I was hosting open mics, there'd be like three bad guys in a row, and he'd be like, hey, hey, I know you're not next, but you're next.
Get up there.
dan friesen
Yeah, we need to save this thing.
Yep.
So unfortunately, another bad performer comes to the stage in the form of John talking more.
And he's, so the basic premise here is that you can't get an emergency authorization, emergency use authorization for something if there is a safe and effective thing to be used.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So if there's an Ebola outbreak, they can't get an emergency use authorization for some new vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that's ridiculous because the FDA has already approved the vaccine that they're talking about.
But this ends up with him talking about a treatment for Ebola that he believes is safe and effective and perfect.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
john fleetwood
We have treatments for Ebola that are safe and effective.
Remember the EUA?
The emergency use authorization?
I don't know if they're going to maybe be making a new Ebola vaccine that they might have to get an EUA for.
I don't know.
But if they try to do that, what I know is you can't get an EUA if you have safe and effective treatment for the disease, which with COVID, we had budesinide, potentially ivermectin, and down the list.
So you can't get an EUA for dangerous mRNA or other vaccines if there is safe and effective treatment for the disease.
Well, with Ebola, it turns out we do have safe and effective treatment that the NIH that the FDA have already confirmed works.
So what are those treatments?
Iodine.
The first one is called NTZ.
NTZ.
That's Nancy Tom Zulu.
Nancy Tom Zulu.
N-T-Z.
What are we doing?
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
john fleetwood
Zoxinide.
Nitazoxenide.
N-I-T-A-Z-O- What are we doing?
And I-D-Z.
N-T-Z.
Nancy Tom Zulu.
Now, it is safe and effective.
It's an antiviral, safe and effective treatment against Ebola.
How do I know that?
jordan holmes
Don't.
john fleetwood
Well, I do what Alex Jones does, and I just quote peer-reviewed, published research that's already been established.
This was published in iScience.
It's a peer-reviewed scientific journal back in 2019.
So we've known at least for 2019, but it goes back even farther than that.
Here's a headline from iScience: peer-reviewed study.
The FDA-approved oral drug nitazoxinide amplifies host antiviral responses and inhibits Ebola virus.
Huh.
It inhibits Ebola virus, NTZ, according to iScience 2019.
alex jones
Sure, so we know they suppress therapeutics during the COVID deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
They're obsessed with that.
jordan holmes
I'm about as exhausted as that.
alex jones
WF, the UN says it's him and it, and now we know they're injecting people with a live sloughing virus.
It's a giant crime.
And Trump, if he gets re-elected, has got to put a stop to this.
We've got to shut down these bioweapon labs.
It's how the globals panic get peer power.
They've admitted their own documents.
They're going to use viruses for control.
john fleetwood
You can't bring it to watch that.
alex jones
It's just one example.
And it's so apparent what they're doing.
john fleetwood
Yes, sir.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Trump.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
That's fun.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
So that study that John is citing about NTZ, they found that it's effective in vitro, but it's not been tested in vivo, which is to say that it shows promise in cells, but they've never done an actual test on human bodies.
Which would be very difficult, except in the case of a compassionate use within an active pandemic or outbreak.
Excuse me.
But this distinction, maybe the AI that he was using to explain the study to him didn't pick that up.
john fleetwood
Possible.
dan friesen
Also, you can really tell that Alex is bored.
And you're so right.
Like, Alex can't even get the wheels moving.
unidentified
I mean, that is we're in mud.
jordan holmes
So boring.
How many times he said NTZ?
Then he repeated Nancy Zoo talk.
Oh, my God.
And do you know what?
Do you know what?
Here's how Pachenic ends that.
Do you know how I know?
unidentified
Because I gave myself Ebola and then cured it.
dan friesen
I was patient zero.
jordan holmes
That's how Pachenic ends it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not like this, not like this.
Do you know how I know?
I look up peer-reviewed studies.
dan friesen
This isn't.
jordan holmes
That's not a swing.
dan friesen
Doesn't cut it.
jordan holmes
That's not a swing.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
And something you mumbled at the beginning of the clip made me remember that I had totally forgotten that Mike Adams cured Ebola.
jordan holmes
Ebola drink?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Mike Adams cured Ebola.
But Ebola.
dan friesen
A little Ebola.
Get some vodka.
jordan holmes
Ebola.
Put it in the drink.
Now I am cured.
dan friesen
That's the kind of shit that flies out at for us.
jordan holmes
Is the type of shit.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and it's kind of satisfying in some ways.
john fleetwood
I want a cage fighter to go up against the mainstream media.
I want to.
alex jones
Sure, but how do you square the thing?
And I understand that he didn't want force injections and all that, but he did go along with warp speed because he wanted to open the economy.
And I'm really concerned they could pull another virus and he might go along with it.
We need to see more.
I'm supporting Trump overall.
We need to see more decisive statements that he won't go along with a new viral power grab, but they'll run the same play against him again.
Your take on that.
Can you hear me, John Fleetwood?
Yeah, we just lost John's audio.
All right, just reconnect with John.
jordan holmes
Heartbreaking.
alex jones
And we'll come back to him.
Folks, here's what happens in slavery.
It's being normalized.
They have level four bioweapon labs, over 100 of them across the country.
And they're testing every horrible pathogen and souping them up.
Gain of function.
It's totally illegal.
And they're doing it in the name of safety, but it always leads back to them where it's released from, and they get all the power out of it.
So they have the motive, they have the history, they block the therapeutics.
These are bad people.
John, I was asking you what you think of Trump supporting warp speed.
Is your audio back?
All right.
Well, we'll end the interview now.
Thank you, John.
I appreciate you joining us.
jordan holmes
Great points.
dan friesen
Yep, kind of fitting.
Just man.
I feel like he, in many ways, was responsible for all of the content on the show.
Because of Alex's dancing around and him beating the, getting the beats of this argument and this narrative in the beginning.
But then once he actually shows up, he ground this thing to a halt.
jordan holmes
He doesn't got it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No chop.
That's rough.
jordan holmes
That's rough.
He doesn't think he did a good job.
He can't.
dan friesen
You heard the way he said, yes, sir.
jordan holmes
I know.
But though, he knows the problem is he studied.
He knew what to do.
And then he fucking went.
dan friesen
You mean promoting Alex products?
He's calling him General Jones.
jordan holmes
And he just doesn't have, he's not on Mike.
He shouldn't be on Mike.
dan friesen
I would say that there's a probable dynamic to that.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex will probably still use his substack articles to come up with bullshit in the future.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So he can take solace in that.
But yeah, not a prime performance.
jordan holmes
You got to, you know, that's the thing.
This is an industry that attracts people who do not want to do the work.
But, dude.
dan friesen
Dude, he did try.
jordan holmes
He tried.
Yeah, he did.
dan friesen
He said that Bill Gates doesn't lift.
Stuff like that.
unidentified
He did.
dan friesen
He was there.
He was.
jordan holmes
He tried.
He did all of the stuff.
He tried.
He listened.
And then he thought he was doing an open mic.
He thought he was like, oh, I fucking practiced in front of my mirror.
So when I go up on stage and I talk to Alex, it'll be real easy.
I know what I'm doing.
And then he fucking chunked it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe he had the misguided opinion that Alex wanted to get into the weeds.
You know, like he's wrong about a lot of the details of these stories, but he was trying to get kind of granular with the parts that he's wrong about.
unidentified
He was.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex really wants the broad shit.
Like, there's a secret program or they want to test Annibola patients.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's where that's the territory we want to be in.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was taking it to a place that's boring as shit, and the audience doesn't really care about it.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then it was kind of trouble.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
He's trying to get the body of the article, not the headline.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
And that's the problem.
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
dan friesen
Alex is all headline, nobody.
jordan holmes
Don't spread, baby.
dan friesen
So, look, I think that this was a crazy pile of nonsense for Alex's show.
Yeah.
And I think that until earlier today when Alex is talking about secession and all this stuff, I figured we're going to have to be dealing with this Ebola vaccine stuff for a while.
And now I kind of think that maybe this is not a priority anymore.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
I like that.
dan friesen
So hopefully this is a bottle episode.
Whatever we move on to is different.
But so Monday is going to be going to be a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be.
dan friesen
So anyway, we'll be back with whatever.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do indeed.
It's knowledgefright.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo Leo.
I can't make that musical.
Good and do it.
alex jones
Yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
And now here comes the sex robots.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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