All Episodes
Jan. 3, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:36:38
#884: August 8, 2012

In this installment, Dan and Jordan go on a time travel episode for a special listener request, and end up in 2012.  They encounter an appearance by the most important figure in modern history, Steve Piezcenik, and a special report about board games that they covered over 700 episodes ago.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
22:40
d
dan friesen
38:53
j
jordan holmes
25:53
Appearances
s
steve pieczenik
04:26
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
We need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your word.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fat.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about...
Alex Jones.
I'm having trouble just because, as you know, and now listeners can be filled in on, my headphones broke a little bit before we started recording.
So I'm using different headphones and it's completely fucking me up.
jordan holmes
Chaos.
Absolute chaos.
dan friesen
So I mumbled over the altar of Selene and couldn't come up with who we talk about.
Who do we talk about on this show?
jordan holmes
We talk about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's right.
Hey, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan.
Wait, was that...
Actually, you know what?
You flipped it on me.
Now we have to roll with it.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
My bright spot.
Is traveling home yesterday.
We celebrated our family's whole holiday on New Year's Eve.
dan friesen
You flipped it.
jordan holmes
We flipped it.
We got rid of the X-mas day.
We got rid of New Year's and we put them all together.
And that way we don't have to...
We all go to bed at 10. That's the idea.
dan friesen
You open presents and you go to bed at 10. You should have done New Year's on Christmas and Christmas on New Year's.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe.
But my bright spot is not that.
It is the driving home.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Swear to you, I have never driven through Chicago with no traffic.
Not even on New Year's Day before.
This is my first year of truly driving through the city of Chicago.
Do you know how fast you can get through this place if there aren't other people around?
dan friesen
Especially you cops.
jordan holmes
It is nuts out there.
It is not that much space.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
You can drive the whole thing in like five minutes.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
End to end, Chicago.
Five minutes.
jordan holmes
Five minutes if nobody's here.
dan friesen
It turns out all of us, we're the problem.
jordan holmes
We're the ones that...
Did you know the traffic is like the people?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When they're not there.
Oh, so quick.
dan friesen
Did you hit all the lights?
jordan holmes
No!
No!
We only had one red coming up on Dusab, too!
I mean, it's nuts.
dan friesen
Wow.
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Nuts!
dan friesen
That's a New Year's miracle.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, it shouldn't make me feel as good as it did, but it made me feel great.
dan friesen
Wow, congratulations.
jordan holmes
Yes.
What's your bright spot for the new year, Dan?
That was my way of announcing it was the new year also.
dan friesen
I went and got a toaster oven.
I moved not too long ago, but it's been a little while now.
And you gradually get things in the house.
Maybe you take six months to get a cutting board or something.
jordan holmes
It can happen.
It can happen.
dan friesen
But yeah, I got a toaster oven replaced because I got rid of my old one when I moved last time.
And I've been missing a toaster oven.
And I got one that has an air fryer.
jordan holmes
Nice.
That's the wise way to do things.
dan friesen
I guess.
I don't know.
I've never used an air fryer before.
I don't know what it does.
I don't know why it does it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I still have not...
I haven't broken the toaster oven out of the box yet, so I have no review on it.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
Air fryer?
It's great.
Start putting stuff in there, air fry it.
See what happens?
You're going to love it every time.
dan friesen
But see, here's the thing.
I understand how oil frying works.
You heat that oil up and it fries stuff in there.
Air frying, I don't know what the air is doing.
jordan holmes
Well, you heat the air up and then it'll fry the stuff for you.
dan friesen
The oil in the air?
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, whatever's in the air at the time.
Could be nitrogen.
I don't know what our atmosphere is made up of at any given moment in time.
dan friesen
Just don't understand the mechanics.
jordan holmes
Silicon.
Is that part of our air?
No, it can't be.
That'll kill us, right?
dan friesen
Well, anyway, I don't know.
I don't know how it works.
I don't trust it, but I understand that it'll make things crispy.
jordan holmes
Do you know how an oven works?
dan friesen
Sort of.
It heats up a rock.
jordan holmes
That's kind of what I was wondering.
dan friesen
There's a little flame.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It heats up a rock.
jordan holmes
The little demon man holds the flamethrower towards the food when you close the door.
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
It's a lot like that.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to do, a special episode.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And we'll explain that in a moment, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Muppie says if she hears Jordan yell, thank you very much, one more time, she might lose it.
Bad news, babe, this is your life now.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, Yossarian McBalansky's favorite Englishman.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Timothy Policy Wonka Chalamet.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Chase and Devin from once-occupied Richmond, Virginia.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Lindsay, my raven queen, we're finally paper doctors and we never have to go back there again.
Love your grouse ninja.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Cindy Harer, pronounced hair-air, that was close, from Occidental.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
steve pieczenik
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Today, like I said, we have a special episode to do.
So, I got a little bit of a message from somebody informing me that one of the original members of our Facebook community, one of the members of the group, Dr. Harry, We'll be entering hospice care soon, and they're having a fun going-away party.
jordan holmes
They're having a going-away party.
dan friesen
Having a blast.
jordan holmes
Which is the way to do it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just the way to do it.
dan friesen
I did not inquire about the menu.
I did not inquire about what sort of games are going to be taking place.
jordan holmes
Non-denominational, I would imagine.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
But yeah, so Sarah Beth reached out to me and wanted us to give a shout-out in celebration of this fine person.
jordan holmes
And as is our want.
unidentified
Decided to say, nah, nah, nah, fuck you.
dan friesen
We're going to give you a special episode to celebrate.
Yeah, what's that you want?
jordan holmes
We'll see you in hell!
unidentified
I mean, literally, but not this time!
dan friesen
So yeah, I decided, why not?
Jump in, do a little special episode for you, Dr. Harry.
Love it.
And so what we decided to do was go back to one of your birthdays, celebrate a little birthday celebration.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So today, August 8th, 2012, is what we're going to be going over.
And there's one reason I decided to do this episode.
jordan holmes
This one specifically.
dan friesen
Yeah, I chose this year's episode of that date.
And it turns out to be a bust.
unidentified
But!
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
Fair enough.
dan friesen
When we get there, you'll know exactly why I chose this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It will be like, you're like, oh, this was catnip.
Completely irresistible today.
jordan holmes
Had no choice.
He couldn't stop himself.
dan friesen
But a bust.
Just a tragic, tragic bust.
So we start the episode out, and Alex is hot out of the gate.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's coming in swinging.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we are locked and loaded, and we are ready to explode in defense of liberty.
I don't just want free humanity to awaken to the globalist threat.
I want you to come alive, and I want to get aggressive in the info war and expose the globalists.
Okay, I want to shake the show up.
We've got a special report, a week in the making, by Aaron Dykes, who absolutely is incredibly dedicated.
In fact, if I had to give an award to the most dedicated person in our operation, I don't know if I'd have to give it to Paul Watson or Aaron Dykes.
Probably for total hours spent, it'd have to be Watson.
jordan holmes
This is a fictional award.
alex jones
You could just give it to him.
He's probably the hardest working.
I don't know.
They both have to get the gold medal.
It probably is a tie.
unidentified
Woo!
dan friesen
What praise?
jordan holmes
That's one of the ways you can really tell a narcissist.
They have no concept of how to praise others.
It's like, okay, if I'm going to give it as an award, first of all, we have to think about how I feel.
And I obviously can only give an award to the best person.
So even if this fictional award does not exist, this time...
Even though I was trying to compliment you, Aaron Dykes.
Gotta give it to Paul Joseph Watson.
Fuck you, Dykes.
Anyways, we're gonna get that show up.
What?
dan friesen
There's a part of me that kind of respects the impulse to split hairs.
jordan holmes
Of course there is.
dan friesen
But in a situation like this, just fucking say Dykes is the best.
jordan holmes
Just give him the compliment.
dan friesen
I worked on this thing with Aaron Dykes.
He's the best.
Nah, fuck him.
jordan holmes
Screw him.
unidentified
Fuck him.
dan friesen
No one's better than Paul.
jordan holmes
Dude, just let it go!
dan friesen
Yeah, very strange.
Very strange.
So Alex talks about this special report that he and Aaron have put together, and I'm confused on what Aaron did.
alex jones
It's a radio special report, but it has video as well, which is extremely powerful.
It's award-winning, in my humble opinion.
What Aaron and I have put together, I came up with the concept and the information, but Aaron just presented it.
Oh, he did.
So it's a special report.
I'm not going to even tell you the name of it or what it deals with until right before we air it, coming up in T-minus 30 minutes, 50 seconds, to be precise.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
I guess Aaron did the editing of it?
jordan holmes
I will.
dan friesen
Put visuals to it?
Because Alex did all the information and came up with the idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and give you this one.
I'm going to interpret this one for you.
dan friesen
Aaron did B-roll.
jordan holmes
Aaron did the entirety of the thing.
After Alex went, hey, you should do it on this, about this stuff.
dan friesen
No, because Alex does all the talking.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It is like a speech that he's giving.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
I doubt he wrote it.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, he did.
Oh, really?
It's real dumb.
It's very dumb.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, wow.
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I'm pretty sure Alex wrote it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because it's fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm listening.
You don't think Dykes could come up with something like this?
dan friesen
It has an Alex Jones-ian aroma to it.
It feels like him.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
You'll be able to tell when we get to it because we're going to talk about this special report.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, you heard it at the beginning.
He's like, I'm fucking loaded for bear.
We're coming out of this.
He wants to flip this show on its head.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to play this special report, but also another twist.
alex jones
Let's just shake the show up.
Before I even tell you what's coming up or what's in the news, I want to hear what you'd like to talk about.
I think Neil Boards calls it rapid fire.
I've always talked about, you know, trying to have radio graffiti.
I think that's what Alan Combs calls it.
Back when I was first on air 17 years ago, I would actually do news blitzes and cover like 100 articles in 30 minutes.
Or 50 calls in an hour.
I've never done that in like five, six years.
But we got a little bit better, as you know.
So the toll-free number to join us right now, the phones are open.
800-259-9231.
We come back from the break.
I am going to control myself.
dan friesen
No matter what year you go to, no matter what period of time, you will find Alex saying, I'm going to blitz through these calls.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to get to all these, we're just going to radio graffiti this thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Okay.
He couldn't do it, and it wouldn't be interesting to watch him try.
To news blitz 150 stories in 60 minutes or whatever.
dan friesen
No, I mean, like I said, how could you even?
What kind of context could you give for anything?
You could just say, bah, here's this thing.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
How could I find a way to make it both entertaining and informative to just scream as many words as possible about the news in as short a period of time as possible while reading headlines and stuff?
I can't think of any way to do it.
That doesn't turn into an auctioneer.
Having a heart attack.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Bears outside!
jordan holmes
Bees coming at ya!
dan friesen
You would learn a lot, I think, for sure.
jordan holmes
That's the environmental news.
dan friesen
I'd like to shout out to Neil Bortz, too.
Neil Bortz.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Another right-wing talker.
jordan holmes
What's Bortz up to?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He might be dead by now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But, yeah, I used to listen to him on 93.9 The Eagle in Columbia, Missouri.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, Neil Bortz, like the flat tax.
That was a big thing for him.
jordan holmes
Man, I love those flat taxers.
dan friesen
He had a co-host named Royal.
jordan holmes
God bless him.
Royal.
dan friesen
It was his producer.
There was a lady.
I can't remember her name, too.
That was the crew.
jordan holmes
It was actually Robin.
unidentified
The Bortz.
jordan holmes
She was doing double duty with Stern and Bortz.
dan friesen
I feel like there's a natural overlap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
alex jones
Neil Bortz.
jordan holmes
Yeah, morning and evening stuff.
dan friesen
I feel like it goes a long way in radio to have a name with a Z in it.
I think Neil Bortz was...
jordan holmes
Was it a Z?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A Z does help.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex does not get to the call blitz immediately.
Instead, he decides to ramble a bit about race.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
There's calls in the media now about the dangerous white male.
White males...
All right, the second most nonviolent low crime rate group, if you look at statistics, and I don't get off into race stuff, but it's all over the media today.
jordan holmes
I get off on race stuff.
alex jones
I was a man gal this morning and he was covering the different stories.
So I'm going to get to that later, where they're saying white males are the threat and are the source of all evil.
The number one least dangerous group is white women.
Then it's Asian women.
This is Justice Department's own crime statistics.
Kurt Nemo's written articles about it.
And then it's white men.
jordan holmes
Great department that, Justice.
alex jones
Okay.
The least violent people are white women and then Asian women and then white males.
I mean, that's just a fact.
dan friesen
This is complete nonsense.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
What Alex is saying is what he feels like the statistics would show, where white women are essentially the most harmless creatures on Earth, Asian women wouldn't hurt anybody, and then coming in a close third is white men.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
White men do almost no wrong, but it's hard to compete with the nonviolent tendencies of white and Asian women.
jordan holmes
Well, we would be as nonviolent as white women, but we have to protect white women from all the other...
dan friesen
I assume Alex might retreat to that excuse.
jordan holmes
I guarantee that's exactly what he would say.
I guarantee it.
Like a million, billion percent.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I consulted the FBI crime statistics for 2012.
You might be surprised to learn that none of this matches up with what you find there.
White people are committing quite a bit of violent crime, but stats don't matter to Alex.
Especially when he's talking about stats.
jordan holmes
It's about how you feel.
dan friesen
It's about vibes.
He's doing vibe talk about crime stats.
jordan holmes
Why would you even say that?
What would you even have?
What could he possibly think positive could come out of being like, eh, you know, as we all know, white women can't hurt anybody.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's what the audience wants to hear and what they feel too.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
So I think it works.
He's given vibes that the audience wants to vibe back with him.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
So the media, like Alex had already sort of suggested in that last clip, they're trying to scare everybody about the idea of lone wolf white terrorism.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he talks about that a little bit.
alex jones
There is a flotilla of news articles talking about the lone wolf evil white person.
So it's gone from, as I'm...
Told you a few years ago that we saw an internal Homeland Security report.
That it's the Muslim extremists give up all your rights.
They're hiding in your underwear.
The TSA has to check right now.
To white males are everywhere.
They're vicious.
They're racist.
They're murderers.
They're criminals.
Lock up your wives, your daughters, your children.
They're everywhere.
We've got to take their guns.
dan friesen
Some of this is, I think, probably the result of the Batman Aurora shooting just having happened.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So I think some of that conversation might be part and parcel of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, this is of note.
You notice the way that Alex is saying that they're trying to take this stuff, they're applying on Muslim terrorists, and then now pivot it to the white man.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He does this all the time.
He's saying that, like, the Biden Justice Department is doing that now.
This is constantly something that is in the present happening.
unidentified
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean...
I think it's fairly easy always to rely on that because...
Anything that, you know, you've always got for the paranoid libertarian that, like, Caesar crossing the Rubicon, like, any pointed action towards outside the country that then gets pointed inside is the next step is we got a new Caesar, right?
So, if it's like, oh, yeah, no, it's fine, you can torture people off the, oh, Iraq, who cares?
You know, but if you do it here, then you're gonna be Caesar.
That kind of concept, right?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the basic reason that that works.
dan friesen
Now...
Mix a little bit of white identity into it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now you got the sauce.
dan friesen
That's the InfoWars sauce.
jordan holmes
Now you got the juice.
dan friesen
Which I'm surprised Alex hasn't sold.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised.
dan friesen
InfoWars sauce.
It would be a cream sauce.
It would be a mayo.
It would be some sort of a mayo, I think.
It wouldn't be an aioli, because that's too highfalutin for the InfoWarriors.
I think there's no way around that.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's like, you have this transition from focusing on Islamic terror.
Now it's white people.
It's all the white people.
And Alex could see behind the curtain, and he knew that this was coming.
alex jones
Basically, John Wayne is the enemy.
And I told you that that was going to be the public rollout.
We could see the rollout being prepared behind closed doors, because first they get their minions ready for the new enemy.
And I told you, okay, coming out of that gate is going to be this particular gladiator.
Because, see, here's the analogy.
I've been behind the gates.
I saw they were getting suited up and ready.
I walked out and said, okay, coming out of that gate is going to be a guy with a trident and a neck, because I saw him getting suited up.
People are like, oh no, you didn't see that.
jordan holmes
Boom!
alex jones
Gates open.
Charging out right at us is the false flag terror attacks to be blamed on the evil whiting.
Because it could be anybody.
I mean, the terrorists could be anybody who's a Muslim, anybody who's got brown skin.
They've all now been properly demonized as terrorists, and now...
Who do you get?
Oh, now the John Deere cap person.
dan friesen
Yeah, the John Deere cap person.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
Prior to MAGA, we had John Deere.
dan friesen
John Deere caps.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
So Alex can't see behind any curtain, and there is no man with a trident and net that he accurately saw coming.
But this clip is pretty important context to consider for the next phase of Alex's career.
We're in August 2012, just a few months before the Sandy Hook shooting, and then only a few more months before the Boston Marathon bombing.
In both of those cases, Alex was deeply invested in covering the stories as if they were false flags being blamed on a white patsy in order to take guns.
And that's because that was the storyline he went in looking for.
He'd already determined that this was what the globalists were going to do, so he forced his coverage into fitting that mold, instead of learning about the events and covering them as they exist in reality.
For Alex, reality is second to narrative, and his narrative about what these majorly traumatic events will be about was clearly set in advance.
In Alex's world, everything appears as if predictions are coming true, not because they are, but because Alex distorts reality to make it fit the shape of the predictions and narratives he establishes as being what his imaginary enemies are planning.
This is a parlor trick.
And for those who might be thinking the Boston bombing was carried out by the Tsarnev brothers, according to Alex's coverage, the globalists originally planned to blame it on a white guy, but they had to change patsies because Alex called them out and ruined their plans.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't worry.
dan friesen
So that still fits.
jordan holmes
It still fits.
Yeah, yeah.
They retconned that one to be, yeah.
I think what I find really fascinating about this is that this is doubly the wrong conversation.
Do you know what I mean?
That conversation about lone wolf stuff, we know that that was going on.
There were those conversations about all of these lone wolf terrorists and shooters being ideologically individuals, as opposed to now we realize that the conversation should have been, this was a conversation from the beginning.
This was a network from the beginning, not one that was well thought out or anything like that, but this is a conversation.
And so, for them to be wrong, and then to have Alex wrong on top of that, it is like, of course the conversation cannot...
Move forward.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We're still digging back through three levels of wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, but the way that Alex is wrong is intentionally to run cover for the people who he wants to commit terrorist acts.
jordan holmes
Right!
That's what I'm saying!
Like, even if we're kicking ass through Alex's shit, we have made it to being wrong on only one level.
You know?
Because of the conversation that Alex has derailed, we can't even talk about the way that we're already on the wrong path.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it is a limitation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, this notion that they had was that there's the sort of Tea Party type and the hard right wing, the militia folks, and that they were going to work with Al-Qaeda.
Like, Al-Qaeda was going to, or...
Conversely, Al-Qaeda was going to use and infiltrate some of these groups in order to hide in plain sight and then commit terror through that.
Alex has a rebuttal to that that I think is sort of pointing the finger at himself a little bit.
alex jones
I mean, Business Insider and others have the headlines of Firestorm after Colonel's report prepares for Tea Party insurgency.
That's not the Firestorm.
It says Al-Qaeda is going to infiltrate into the U.S. from Mexico and link up with the Tea Party.
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, the Tea Party is the most Islamophobic group.
It's unbelievable how dumb they think.
But I told you, they're going to blow stuff up and claim patriots work with Al-Qaeda.
I told you that a long time ago.
I know these people.
I eat, drink, and sleep, and I'm inside their mind.
dan friesen
Or I imagine I am.
But also, the Tea Party, which I am the leader of, is far too Islamophobic to ever work with Muslims.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like the irony now is how often we hear them being like, well, I mean, sure, but at least they're in control of their women!
You know, like...
dan friesen
Certainly, you hear that from Alex from time to time.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of ideological overlap that Alex is throwing away.
dan friesen
Certainly, Alex has now come around to, like, I like how much they hate gay people.
Yeah, absolutely.
Muslim fundamental...
Mentalists hate gay people.
So he's made a little bit of peace there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, apparently.
These people are so stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, and also another thing that Alex has sort of made peace with is he's scoffing at the idea of Al-Qaeda coming in through the border.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
His whole narrative now is so much of these Hezbollah sleeper cells.
jordan holmes
They're coming in through the border.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're all coming in through the border.
dan friesen
His only gripe, really, I guess, is the idea that his Tea Party friends would ever associate with Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess that is the problem.
Well, 10 years changed a lot, hasn't it?
dan friesen
So Alex does take some calls.
And he has a bit of a prediction for one of these callers that I think is a little bit...
I mean, we're 11...
Well, now 12. It's 2024.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
12 years past this.
And I don't think this has come to pass.
steve pieczenik
Police aren't even driving in normal police cars anymore.
They're driving in these huge kind of...
I mean, they're marked as police cars, but...
unidentified
They're huge, and they look like the Homeland Security kind of truck.
alex jones
No, no, no.
They have giant black trucks, the new Homeland Security trucks going in nationwide.
Yes, the police will roll around in giant tanks because the foreign banks took over.
These are collaborators.
Most of them don't know it.
And they are training the military, not just the MPs now, but general military in police work.
Before they deploy Brigade Homeland to every city, every major city.
A city the size of Austin will have 4,000 troops in it.
A city the size of Dallas will have about 12,000.
A place like New York will have about 50,000 troops in it.
And we're going to be fully occupied by the foreign New World Order Army.
And they expect a lot of military, once the gun confiscation begins, to rebel.
So they'll simultaneously be purges in the military of active duty.
But then the hunting down of veterans they have files on for extermination.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
At all.
jordan holmes
No, not even a little bit.
dan friesen
And I think one of the things that clip illustrates really well is how you shouldn't associate with Alex even with things that you agree with him about.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that you and I can both agree that the militarization of police is a problem.
jordan holmes
Huge problem.
dan friesen
But that doesn't mean that the military is taking over the police in order to gun confiscate and then kill everybody under globalist orders.
jordan holmes
Big difference.
dan friesen
This is a distortion of the conversation around the militarization of police.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the conversation really is like, okay, if an organization starts as slave catchers and then you turn them into a military, didn't you just make the Confederacy again?
There you go.
dan friesen
Well, certainly not the way Alex would want to cover it.
No, probably not.
He's Confederate royalty.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So we had to tease at the beginning of this episode that there was a special report made by second best info warrior Aaron Dykes.
jordan holmes
Poor guy.
Couldn't even get one compliment.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He got a qualified compliment.
unidentified
So close.
dan friesen
So close.
alex jones
Qualified compliment.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex introduces this and he reveals the big name of it.
alex jones
We are titling this.
Video.
Full spectrum evil.
Full spectrum evil.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
You're facing full spectrum evil.
jordan holmes
Say it one more time.
alex jones
They create al-Qaeda, use al-Qaeda against Russia, the Serbs, moderate Muslim countries.
They use...
Al-Qaeda against the United States, or Al-Qaeda takes the blame for globalist attacks, is a pretext to take our liberties.
It is a key set piece they move around the board to wherever they want to invade.
And they think you're so stupid, they can tell you Al-Qaeda are heroes.
Go look at the Council on Foreign Relations latest report they put out last Friday, where they praise CFR.org.
Bar and Affairs.
They praise Al-Qaeda.
That's how dumb they think you are.
And now they're flipping the script to domestic terrorists and creating this fear that there are white terrorists.
They're now sitting on the news.
The last year you saw the Homeland Security training videos where all the terrorists are white, blowing up shopping malls, movie theaters, sports stadiums.
And then it starts.
Then it begins.
And then the people are all government-run.
Air Force top psychiatrists, multiple shooters, witnesses say.
Army psyops, connected.
The witnesses see four shooters.
The head of the Sikh temple sees men casing the joint.
I mean, white supremacist groups, more than half of them are feds.
The members, it's come out.
They're run in almost every case by the feds.
What do you do?
You just kill one of your operatives.
After your operatives shoot people.
They infiltrate, then they bug out.
And then you put it on the news.
Very simple.
This is how a black op is run.
And so the globalists are now dropping the hammer on us with these false flags.
And this is the summer of false flags that will lead into the fall and the winter of huge wars.
Even if they get away with this.
We are in grave danger.
dan friesen
Hearing stuff like this, it's really easy to see the headspace Alex was in during the months leading up to the Sandy Hook shooting.
He was deeply invested in this narrative that the globalists had taken all of the demonization that they'd built up around Islamic terrorism and projected it onto the right wing so they could start doing false flags to blame on white people.
Alex was obviously going to filter every single story that he came across through that lens, regardless of what the reality on the ground was.
What I'm saying is that there was never a chance he was going to report on Sandy Hook honestly.
He was far too deep into this narrative to let a prime tragedy like that go to waste.
Also, if you have the mentality that Alex has about white supremacist groups, sure doesn't seem like you could ever really think any of them are real.
Seems like every act of racist violence is conveniently excused as not really actually being racist violence, but in fact just the globalists trying to make white people look bad.
Doesn't seem like a healthy perspective.
Seems cowardly.
jordan holmes
Here's what I've always found funny about that.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Okay, so when you think about it, Alex's point...
Ultimately is like, okay, so these white supremacist groups are created by the government and, you know, controlled by the FBI and so on and so forth to make white people look bad.
And it's like, I mean, it makes them look bad already.
You know, like the government already.
I don't know.
It doesn't make white supremacists look so much bad as everybody.
All of them.
They all look terrible.
You know, like when you find out that the second in command, like the Michigan kidnap thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When you find out the second in command was the FBI guy and you're like, come on, man.
Second?
You can't do that.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
You can be like a guy.
You can infiltrate and you can be a guy who's like listening.
But you can't be like, and here's my thoughts.
No, that's not cool.
That's not cool.
That's you telling them to do stuff.
dan friesen
Maybe.
You don't know the organization.
Maybe they had a really strong unitary leader.
You are just a figurehead in second-in-command.
Plus, what if you're really great and you just accidentally stumble ass-backwards into being second-in-command?
jordan holmes
That's the problem!
dan friesen
You didn't do anything?
jordan holmes
Is that the guy they would hire to do awesome undercover fieldwork is probably a guy that they want in the white supremacist group.
To be the leader!
dan friesen
Look, I agree, it's messy.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
But I also think that you could make an argument that nobody looks good, because even if a group is fake, you're still getting people to join a group.
unidentified
Totally, yeah.
dan friesen
And those people don't look great.
jordan holmes
All of you look terrible.
This is a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, even if it is a fake thing that says white supremacists come here.
jordan holmes
The white supremacists keep going!
dan friesen
People go to it, and they look bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex brings up the CFR in Foreign Affairs calling Al-Qaeda heroes, which he attributes to a report they allegedly put out last Friday, which would have been the 3rd of August 2012.
It took quite a while, but I was able to find what Alex was talking about.
The CFR wasn't calling Al-Qaeda heroes, and in fact, you can find a great deal of fairly negative coverage of that terrorist group on their site.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This was an opinion piece written by Ed Hussein, who is a senior fellow for Middle Eastern Studies.
Hussein was making the argument that the Free Syrian Army, Sure.
The Syrian wing of Al-Qaeda was called Jabhat al-Nusra li 'alhi al-Sham, and Hussein says, quote, Al-Qaeda is not sacrificing its martyrs in Syria merely to overthrow Assad.
Liberation of the Syrian people is a bonus, but the main aim is to create an Islamist state in all or part of the country.
Failing that, they hope to at least establish a strategic base for the organization's remnants across the border in Iraq and create a regional headquarters where Mujahideen can enjoy a safe haven.
If Al-Qaeda continues to play an increasingly important role in the rebellion, then a post-Assad government will be indebted to the tribes and regions allied with the Jabhat.
Hussein isn't praising al-Qaeda.
He's bringing this up as something to be very concerned about.
He makes this very clear when he goes on to say, quote, the unspoken political calculation among policymakers is to get rid of Assad first, weakening Iran's position in the region, and then deal with al-Qaeda later.
But the planning to minimize al-Qaeda's likely hold over Syrian tribes and fighters must begin now, as the Obama administration ramps up its support to rebel groups.
Alex is just making shit up to serve his purposes.
There's never been a person who is more fortunate to have an uncurious audience than Alex.
This is not saying that Al-Qaeda are heroes.
jordan holmes
No.
This is a, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend conversation, right?
dan friesen
It's 180 from what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is like, hey, listen, I know you might think this is helpful, but this is not helpful.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
This is a thing that is happening that we need to also plan for.
dan friesen
Yeah, if we are accepting the idea that al-Nasra fighters are...
We are backing the Free Syrian Army.
We need to plan on a contingency of what to do to not allow a post-assiled world to be run by Al-Nusra.
jordan holmes
That should inform our decision-making in the future.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
But they're heroes.
jordan holmes
No, that makes more sense.
dan friesen
Fuck it.
Report a fake version of this to your audience because they'll just hear CFR and be like, oh, Alex knows all about them.
jordan holmes
I mean, reading is hard.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
That is inarguable.
dan friesen
Much more satisfying just listening to this dum-dum.
Anyway.
Alex is getting to the special report.
So he brings it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And he starts it off.
unidentified
Full spectrum evil.
Here it is.
alex jones
Full spectrum evil.
The secret of the New World Order Takeover program.
unidentified
The secret of the New World Order Takeover.
alex jones
Alex Jones here to cover a topic, an issue, that is one of the most important I've ever discussed.
This information is very closely held by governments and elite corporations.
They do not want you understanding this.
Now, many of you that are already aware of this, it'll seem simple.
But large swaths of the global population have no idea the real geopolitical paradigm that we're living in today.
What's that?
Today we will look at the real forces, the real players in the battle for 21st century global hegemony.
I'm going to break down who really rules the world, how they control the planet, and how they are trying to usher in a world war that is really pointed at the general population.
dan friesen
It seems like every third or fourth piece of media Alex puts out involves a promise that he's going to reveal who runs the world and all their evil plans, and yet here we are.
I don't think we have more specific answer than the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Bilderberg group, and then...
Their plans are whatever conspiracy I want to scare you about this week.
jordan holmes
I would be happier if he said for the time being, or for like, in the moment we exist in now.
You know, like, I'm going to reveal to you who's the, for the time being.
dan friesen
He can't, though, because this plan is supposed to extend back.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
All the history of our country, history prior to our country, and then now we know it goes back to the time of the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's the thing.
dan friesen
So, like, he can't have, for now.
jordan holmes
It does feel like the enemy changes so frequently, and yet...
The rules say that it's the same one every time.
dan friesen
Mysteriously no Klaus Schwab, no World Economic Forum.
jordan holmes
Very odd.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
So this kind of grandiose language Alex is using, he uses it pretty consistently because on some level he knows that material like this is meant to indoctrinate new people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is meant to excite people with the promise that he knows who runs the world and all their secrets.
That's why you hear that little dip into his dramatic voiceover mode in the middle when he's talking about the dark forces.
jordan holmes
First taste is free, come on.
dan friesen
It's like he's doing a movie trailer voice about it.
unidentified
In a world where I tell the truth.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this starts, and I was so fucking disappointed.
alex jones
To begin my illustration, I have three different board games here.
The classic game of Risk, as well as Monopoly.
We're going to look at these systems of stylized warfare, and between these three systems, we find the truth.
dan friesen
Okay.
As I was listening to this, it struck me that it sounded familiar, and I could have sworn that we covered this already.
I went back through our episodes and found that on episode 119, we covered this special report because Alex played it on a different episode.
I decided that because it was 700 episodes ago, maybe we'd hear it differently.
jordan holmes
I remember it clearly.
dan friesen
Maybe we'd hear it differently this time, and honestly, I have no idea what we said about it, and I don't believe you remember this.
jordan holmes
None of it!
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
alex jones
Come on!
dan friesen
So what the hell?
Let's listen to it again and see what we can learn about how the world is like a board game.
jordan holmes
Let's roll those dice!
dan friesen
I feel like Alex is going to be talking about how excited he is about the special report later in the episode, so we should have some context.
So let's just dive in.
unidentified
We got chess, risk, monopoly.
dan friesen
None of the other fine games.
jordan holmes
No Go, no Chutes and Ladders, no Settlers of Catan.
dan friesen
I'm certain all of these references were made the last time we talked about this.
alex jones
To begin with, I'm going to use a Lego chess set as an illustration to break down primitive forms of government, warfare, and domination.
If you look at this set, you notice there are two sides.
There is the red and there is the green, or there is the black, there is the light.
dan friesen
Christmas Legos.
alex jones
From the beginnings of civilization more than 6,000 years ago until about 1700, this was the model of warfare between nations.
There were occasional alliances, but by and large, warfare and politics was carried out in a very two-dimensional way, like a chess set.
You have the ruling class.
That's the bishop.
The military elite, the generals, and in front of them, you have basically their conscripts or the lower class fighters who can also represent just the general population.
dan friesen
That's nice of it.
alex jones
And these two groups are engaged in warfare and base domination.
That's the horse.
For 6,000 years, you had to take the queen.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
So this is something that feels like it was, like it probably feels real, but nothing Alex is saying connects with actual history.
He's infantilizing ancient cultures and pretending that everything they did was just one-on-one conflicts.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
If you go through history, you'll find countless examples of very complicated alliances and multi-sided conflicts.
I think what Alex is trying to get at as an idea is that war from 6,000 years ago to about 1,700 was strictly bilateral.
There were two sides in the conflict, and each side had their elites like kings, queens, and castles, as well as their riffraff like the pawns.
But this is kind of dumb.
And one would just need to look at the history of China or Italy to get a sense of how off the mark Alex's analysis is, just from the jump.
This has no connection to reality.
jordan holmes
What war of blank kingdoms included a number higher than two?
dan friesen
There certainly aren't two examples of that in world history.
At least.
So...
I think I get sort of what he's trying to start off with, but it's erroneous.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the most fun version of that, though, is just like...
Think of the conflicts on the Polynesian islands.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
During that, during so many time periods of, like, multi-polar war at all times, and then your enemies are your friends, and then, and there's no, sometimes there's a king, and sometimes it's just a bunch of guys, you know?
It's a fun, fun way of looking at human history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All scrunched up, you know?
dan friesen
Or city-state times in various European areas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
We're mad at that dude from there.
The end.
dan friesen
I mean, I get it.
Chess is a very basic...
War facsimile game.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that's what Alex is trying to pretend the world is like, too.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
dan friesen
Because the globalists have been running things since, like, you know, forever.
So that was their model back then.
jordan holmes
That's their chess, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex says something else about chess that I think is really weird.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
One area that we see from the ancient chess model that is still used in statecraft by the globalists is the fact that sometimes wars were launched, in the case of the French and the British.
against each other when they had rebellions at home.
They soon learned it was a way to turn inner anger at the state against a foreign state and to reduce the population of young males, Is that a part of chess?
dan friesen
I haven't played chess in a while, but I don't feel like that's a primary objective or even secondary objective of chess.
jordan holmes
Alright, a lot of times people aren't thinking.
You know, while you're thinking about your moveset, you're like, oh, four moves ahead.
That's really cool.
But what you're not thinking about is how to feed your pawns.
Where they're going to stay after the game is over.
What it is that they are going to do.
Like, you know, what's their leisure time activities?
What are you talking about?
You're going to have these pawns here and you're just going to play the game?
dan friesen
I will say that I have never gotten into a game of chess with somebody.
And then we, you know, we go through a little bit.
I take a couple of their pawns.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they're like, all right, I'm done.
I was just trying to lose some pawns.
jordan holmes
You're not even playing the right game.
There are times where you'll take some pawns, right?
And then the pawns will be like, oh, thank goodness, that guy's not feeding me over there.
And then you have to have a conversation with the guy.
You quit playing the game, and you're like, man, you can't treat people like this.
This is unacceptable behavior.
dan friesen
There's no jobs over on my side of the board.
unidentified
You're just sacrificing people like they don't matter to you.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's all a thing of the past, the two-sided warfare.
alex jones
The two-sided fight is a bygone era.
In truth, for more than 300 years, the globalists have been financing multiple sides of wars knowing that conflict destroys nations and gets countries deep into debt.
And that is the key.
They're financing both sides.
And we see this being pioneered by people like the Rothschilds, starting in the 1700s and 1800s, where they would finance sometimes three or four different factions, and it didn't matter who won because all of them were in debt to them and had societies that were wrecked after the wars.
Next, let's look at the game of Risk.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I feel like we're not done with chess.
If this is your...
This is your even basic metaphorical understanding of chess.
I'm mad at you.
We need to spend more time there.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're moving on.
To risk.
This is our discussion of chess.
jordan holmes
That was it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Also, Alex has a lot of ideas about Rothschild's controlling all sides of wars and stuff that he has not substantiated at all, and I know was part of his, you know, I mean, we talked about it in the Endgame documentary about his quite elaborate claims about these things that in his bibliography says, Insert here evidence of Rothschild's funding both sides of war.
So no citation in the bibliography outside of I don't have one, I'll find it later.
jordan holmes
You know what is an interesting chess thing that I definitely didn't know about when we talked about it is that Magnus Carlsen...
Grandmaster.
Best chess player human ever to live, right?
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
So he's studying all the machine learning algorithms that play chess that are like a million times better than any human being has ever done it.
And the big strategic change that he's learned from them is to use the king more aggressively in the endgame.
So the idea is, that's metaphorically very, very interesting about this, is that for thousands of years...
Human beings have played with this kind of inherent risk avoidance with the king.
Obviously, it's the most important game, you know, that kind of thing.
And it takes a machine to go, eh, it's just another fucking guy if you're playing the game to win.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not be precious about the king.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
We're trying to win.
We're not trying to do anything else.
I don't care if you live, I don't care if you die.
We win, you know?
So that's a really fascinating thing.
dan friesen
So is this revolutionized optimal chess playing?
jordan holmes
I don't think it has revolutionized...
Right.
So...
I do think that that's helped Magnus Carlsen in, like, Blitz Chess and the ultra-rapid stuff.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because he's better than anybody's even ever considered those.
dan friesen
You know another amazing chess thing?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Bangkok.
Oriental City.
The city don't know what the city is getting.
Creme de la creme of the chess world and a show of everything but your brainer.
jordan holmes
I want to say that one was definitely...
dan friesen
Time flies.
Doesn't seem a minute.
I don't remember the rest of this song.
That is One Night in Bangkok from the musical Chess.
jordan holmes
I really want to go back now.
I almost guarantee you said that one.
dan friesen
There's almost no doubt.
Anytime Chess comes up, gotta talk about Murray Head.
So, we're introducing Risk.
Here we go.
alex jones
Next, let's look at the game of Risk.
These are primitive attempts to distill down human conflict and domination into a game you can play in a few hours.
The militaries all have basically equal resources, equal numbers of troops, and to enter into the equation some type of random probability, we have dice and we have carts.
There is no discussion here on looking at the real model that we are under today.
We're going to come back to risk here in a moment, but first let's move to the game of Monopoly.
unidentified
Wait.
dan friesen
That's all?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That's all.
You're introducing Risk, and that's all you got to say?
jordan holmes
Just skip.
dan friesen
You just described how you play it.
jordan holmes
Just redo.
dan friesen
There's cards, and you roll dice.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, you can't play it in a few hours.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
Not usually.
jordan holmes
I've never played a game.
I've never finished a game, I don't think.
dan friesen
Oh, I've finished plenty, but they were like all night affairs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They would go forever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be like, at best, you would have to plan a second day.
For my, in my history.
dan friesen
Me and some folks.
Fernandez, Joe Fernandez used to like to play Risk.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it would just be like, you gotta expect, you're probably gonna be there till like 4 in the morning, 5 in the morning.
Yeah, but never have a second day unless you're counting like the sunrise.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Yeah, I got what you're saying.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's not a few hours.
Unless you're playing bad.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
There's a lot of people who play bad.
dan friesen
True, true.
And I do think that most of the time Risk games...
They'll often end up in a situation of, like, two people getting dangerously close to saying, let's fucking call it.
Because they keep going back and forth, killing each other's armies and not finishing off getting all the countries in the world.
jordan holmes
The best, the most accurate war simulator, or war simulation aspect of Risk is the eventual disgust for the game of Risk.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And war itself.
dan friesen
This is meaningless.
War is hell.
jordan holmes
And people and your friends.
You don't even know if you like those people anymore after a good game of Risk.
And then you realize that if a good game of Risk makes you hate everybody, don't fight wars.
dan friesen
That's probably the best outcome you can have at playing Risk.
So Alex brought up Risk, didn't really say much about it, says we're going to get back to it, I guess.
jordan holmes
Do you think we do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I've listened to it and I don't know.
So he's going to talk about Monopoly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
In the game of Monopoly, you have different economic groups, or four players, that attempt to engage in economic warfare against each other and then be able to create a Monopoly or a single...
entity that is in control of New York City.
To understand the real system we're under, it's important to combine monopoly and risk with an overlay of strategy from chess.
What the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Now I want to play this game.
I want to figure out how to play...
Okay.
So you've got a chess board.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When you move a pawn, or when you make a chess move...
Alright, that has to correspond to a move in Risk, which also has to correspond to a move in Monopoly.
dan friesen
I don't know.
No, because there's an overlay of chess.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a combination of Risk and Monopoly with an overlay of chess.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which I don't even know what that means.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
I think you want a Risk board, is what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Sure.
So you got the globe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But then you want Monopoly in terms of like...
Paying rent if you land on Irkutsk.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
So you put your army there, but you have to have a constant resource built.
dan friesen
Yeah, and instead of battling, it's like you have to pay rent for landing there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or something, maybe.
But then the overlay of the strategy of chess, I don't really understand.
jordan holmes
Oh, so in 2012, Alex Jones created StarCraft.
dan friesen
Man, he's going to be pissed.
He's going to be pissed he doesn't get residuals.
Also, Monopoly is famously set in Atlantic City.
Small point.
Also, canonically, as the player, you're not so much a financial group as you are a landlord.
It was based off a prior game called The Landlord's Game, which was very anti-landlord.
Charles Darrow came along and stole that idea from the woman who created it and made the goal more strictly capitalistic, which is spiritually fitting, since he stole it and made a ton of money off it.
jordan holmes
Metaphorically, it just doesn't get more on the nose than that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know about the you're a financial group.
Tiny little pieces of things that are kind of like, oh man.
It's like, this would fly amazingly at a bong circle.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, yeah.
unidentified
Dude, the world is just like Risk and Monopoly with an overlay of chess.
jordan holmes
If you're in the common area, everybody's high, and everybody's just kind of suddenly noticing all the board games that have been in the dorm room common area for a while, somebody pulls one out and then starts going, you could see a bunch of people listening to a boring, boring monologue about this shit.
dan friesen
We all live in Candyland.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
You know who Klaus Schwab is Lord Licorice?
jordan holmes
I am 19 and it feels great.
dan friesen
Oh, man!
I would love to put this side-by-side with the time we talked about this 700 episodes ago and see, it's freaking me out.
jordan holmes
Well, we were definitely...
Were we still drinking?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
I think we were still.
dan friesen
But it still freaks me out, the idea of there's probably one-to-one.
Like, just comparisons of, like, Lord Licorice Joke, Dan Sings Chess, all the exact things.
jordan holmes
I think that is less something, that's more a hallmark of we are exactly who we are.
We are not putting on airs.
We are not pretending to be people we are not.
dan friesen
Or we are not really profoundly creative.
jordan holmes
We're not very interesting either.
dan friesen
One input gets one output.
jordan holmes
We're not very interesting.
Nope.
dan friesen
So Monopoly is the closest thing there is to our system.
In board games.
alex jones
So out of these three board games, Monopoly best describes our modern system.
unidentified
That's fair.
alex jones
But in itself is only two-dimensional.
You see, the private Federal Reserve that's owned by six private banks, Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, and others.
dan friesen
Others.
alex jones
They always win.
jordan holmes
All three others.
alex jones
You're playing their game.
You think you're battling it out for houses and apartments and for Park Place and for the electric company and for the railroad and for the top hat and for the fashion show.
But it's the bankers that control the politicians.
They've got to get out of jail free cards.
jordan holmes
So you do understand the basic game.
alex jones
Of the money.
The treasury works for them.
dan friesen
But one of the players is the banker in Monopoly.
And in Monopoly, you are playing to get the properties.
There aren't politicians and the bank above the...
I understand.
I understand what he's trying to project real-world stuff into this, but that's not how Monopoly is played.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's like he understands the landlord's game, the original.
He understands the concept of like, oh, they're playing with us!
We're the...
Oh!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And instead he's like...
dan friesen
Well, the implication...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you're playing Monopoly.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
Okay.
So you, let's say you're playing a four-player game.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
You are not the only four people that exist, right?
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
In the world.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
So hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's say you have all of the orange properties and you put a bunch of hotels on them or whatever.
Raise the rents up real high.
So obviously if a player lands on it.
They have to pay the rent for all this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But what about all the unheard, unseen people who also land on it, who aren't players in the game?
All of the other people who are walking down Illinois Avenue.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
They're all getting screwed by you playing this game.
jordan holmes
You know what I don't like?
dan friesen
All the imaginary citizens of Atlantic City walking around.
jordan holmes
Here's what I don't like.
As a capitalist, I don't like that you're not maximizing the amount of rent you could be getting knowing that there are pedestrians.
Sure, I see your silver dog land on my fucking thing, but I know in my mind that there's probably like 30, 40 people walking down New York Avenue, right?
And I need your constant upkeep for that.
So I'm going to prefer to have at least $2 per turn from you.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
Just because people walk on this orange property.
dan friesen
So, I think Alex should get deeper into how these games are played.
That's, I think, what we're getting to.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Here's the world.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The globalists want to play Monopoly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
They want to play Monopoly with all the countries in the world.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But sometimes, other countries don't want to play Monopoly.
alex jones
So the bank only wins.
unidentified
But what happens if a country won't sell?
alex jones
What happens if an African nation won't play the Monopoly game?
Or what happens if a Middle Eastern country doesn't want to be part of the modern bankster system based in London and New York?
Well, then that's where risk comes in.
Because they want to be able to take you over through economic espionage, as John Perkins has written in his bestseller, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
But if they can't...
This is in all the official CIA and State Department documents.
jordan holmes
All of them.
alex jones
Then come and finance your neighbor to attack you.
dan friesen
That doesn't happen at risk.
alex jones
The movie is not playing ball.
It's building up and industrializing all of Africa.
jordan holmes
Does it happen in chess?
alex jones
You want a global monopoly.
jordan holmes
Does it happen in a monopoly?
alex jones
You just play countries off against each other.
You're a globalist.
You've made yourselves exempt with diplomatic immunity at the United Nations.
Who set that up?
jordan holmes
Is there a diplomatic immunity at risk?
alex jones
You just have al-Qaeda come out of Egypt, into Libya, ethnically cleanse, blow up most of the infrastructure, knock out Gaddafi, and now they have to come to you and borrow money out of your bank to rebuild and you own and control everything.
And guess what?
If you want to get that welfare check, well, you've got to take the vaccines, which, by the way, start away.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
What does that have to do with anything?
Look, I get he has things he wants to say.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And I think he had some vague idea that, like, I'm going to compare this to board games.
But it is just completely detached now from any kind of connection.
jordan holmes
No.
Okay.
If I understand correctly, here's what it's like.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So you're playing chess, right?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And then I use my bishop to put your king into check.
Right?
That's when you hire the Polish to kill the black pieces, and that will give you a monopoly over Park Place.
dan friesen
And, if you don't want to do it, I'll blow dart you with a vaccine.
Right!
jordan holmes
Exactly!
I appreciate that the vaccine got in there.
I was going to be disappointed if we didn't realize that the vaccine is truly behind Monopoly's faults.
dan friesen
A little strange.
So, I would say at this point, the special report is essentially...
Totally off the rails.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Complete chaos.
dan friesen
And here we get, just going further off the rails, into strangely familiar territory.
alex jones
We think about nations and continents and cultures, but in truth, the globalists, the bankers, who have unlimited money...
They're waging war against anyone else that has any assets, because they want everyone to be impoverished, so you have to go to them, and so that you have to follow all of their orders, so they can control human development and society.
In the past, they would brag about their real political system in fictional accounts, in movies like Network.
Let's analyze a clip of that.
unidentified
There is no America.
jordan holmes
Oh my God!
unidentified
There is no democracy.
There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon.
One vast and ecumenical holding county for whom all men will work to serve a common perfect in which all men will hold a share of stock.
alex jones
Oh, there are no more peoples.
There are no more nations, Mr. Beale.
Each one of us has one piece of stock in the global system.
One ecumenical, giant global government.
Except one thing.
That big global corporate system they've been selling us on doesn't want us to even be alive.
It's designed to consolidate control and then slowly cut off the resources while the banksters themselves pose as the saviors.
When at the end of the tunnel is nothing but global extermination and eugenics so that these selfish, greedy scam artists can have the world and all of the incredible technology and life extension for themselves.
And that's the big secret here.
What?
The ball is in your court.
The rest is up to you.
Please get this presentation out to everyone you know.
We've got to understand the enemy we're facing if we have any chance of defeating these people.
Humanity hangs in the balance.
dan friesen
Humanity hangs in the balance, man.
jordan holmes
I understand so much less than I did before, and somehow I'm angrier because humanity hangs in the balance.
dan friesen
Humanity hangs in the balance, and the only way we're going to get people to save themselves is if they understand these board games.
jordan holmes
I genuinely...
I don't know what the point was.
dan friesen
I don't either.
I think, I mean, obviously the point is like Alex's standard blah blah blah talking points and stuff packaged in a way that's like, I don't know, maybe interesting to a new viewer.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Hey, the world is like these board games or some shit.
But, like, even when he's getting there at the end, when he gets into the network thing, he then...
Rambles about other things that are disconnected from the network thing.
alex jones
I know!
dan friesen
He's like, ah, the globalists give away their plans in movies like Network.
And then he plays a thing from Network, and then he says something completely different.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
No, go back to the thing!
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, if you want to use that as the globalists giving away their plan, you can't then be like, and actually what they meant is this.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man!
You know...
dan friesen
Why use a source?
jordan holmes
Now I'm getting even more annoyed at Network.
I was already annoyed.
I already hated it.
I'm already furious.
It's a great movie.
But they stole it.
They stole it and ruined it.
And that's what happened.
dan friesen
It's like the opposite of Boondock Saints.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They ruined it and then...
dan friesen
I didn't care.
jordan holmes
I didn't mind.
Yeah, goodbye.
dan friesen
Whereas Network's actually a good movie and it's been ruined by these ding-dongs.
jordan holmes
But you know, now that I think about it, now it's like, man, he was overreacting.
Citizens United wasn't going to come for another 40 years.
That dude didn't know shit about what corporations would really control.
So calm it down, face...
dan friesen
I thought you meant Alex in 2012.
He didn't know that Citizens United was coming in 40 years.
Wait, that's in 2052?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm telling you.
I think he was overreacting.
Maybe a little drama queen.
dan friesen
Not sure I've ever heard Alex talk about Citizens United.
It's probably come up at some point.
jordan holmes
I mean, considering it's probably the most important thing that...
Well, maybe...
How about this?
If there was anything that proved that the world government is very similar to a board game, I think Citizens United made it a very lot like Monopoly.
dan friesen
So we have this special report.
Aaron Dykes did a great job.
I'm sure he added a lot of that background music and noises.
jordan holmes
Post-production effects.
dan friesen
Maybe provided the Lego chess set for Alex.
jordan holmes
That would be a special thing.
dan friesen
Maybe that's why it was a Lego chess set.
It's the only one Aaron had.
jordan holmes
Or, reel it this way, maybe Aaron and Paul do the exact same amount of work, but that Lego chess set is Paul's.
You know he loves a Christmas chess set.
dan friesen
Bumped it up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But how did it get over here from England?
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas?
dan friesen
So, we're done with the special report.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't feel like we've had anything illuminated to us.
jordan holmes
I really disagree.
I know everything about board games.
dan friesen
Risk plus monopoly.
Times chess.
jordan holmes
That's the vaccine!
dan friesen
Equals globalists.
Vaccines.
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
Minus vaccines.
jordan holmes
Minus vaccines.
What's the order of operations?
dan friesen
Please excuse my dear aunt Steve Pachanik, because guess what?
Who's the next guest?
jordan holmes
Oh my god, you're joking.
dan friesen
We get a little visit.
jordan holmes
Of course you had no choice.
dan friesen
Yeah, from the one and only Steve Pachanik.
alex jones
Dr. Steve Pachenik, M.D., Ph.D., is going to be our guest.
He was the head of psychological operations for the State Department, advised the Pentagon, has been involved.
We'll just look up his name and takedowns of governments all over the world, you name it, but not with armies, with psychological warfare.
He's an expert in false flags.
He's exposed on this broadcast.
9-11 is a false flag.
In other events, he said that the shooting in Norway...
Was not an inside job.
dan friesen
That's good.
alex jones
I don't know his take on the new shootings, and I wanted to get him on because he said like over a year ago, he said on this show, you all heard it, that he thought Petraeus would be in the running for vice president.
And I've always found Drudge and his sources.
Drudge doesn't go with something when Drudge writes an article maybe once every two weeks or something.
Or his sources there in D.C., some of which I've met with and know, they don't go with something unless they've got it from the highest levels.
And their word is...
Obama was concerned that Petraeus may be picked as the VP, that that would be a strong VP pick to Roman Romney.
Petraeus just said that's not the case, but they always say that.
But Dr. Steve Pachynik showing his inside knowledge, I was saying that a year ago here.
dan friesen
So Steve doesn't talk about this much, but does say that's not going to happen.
And Petraeus is needed as a great general.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
There's not a lot of awareness of the ways in which Alex will hate General Petraeus in the not-too-distant future from this.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
They're really into him.
Steve loves him.
Thinks he's one of the greatest generals.
But, yeah, he would be a great statesman, but he's not going to be the vice president.
So this is not an inaccurate...
Well, I guess it was an inaccurate prediction when Steve made it a year ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he is not on that tip here in 2012.
jordan holmes
Right.
That is interesting.
It's interesting to see the way these people change and how it can be, like, on the drop of a hat.
dan friesen
Well, Steve fucking loved Fauci and Alex loved Fauci because of Steve and then, oop, that fell apart.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's just like, oh, we'll just make it up today.
I hate this person or I love this person.
dan friesen
And I've always loved them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Wait, twist.
I always hated them.
jordan holmes
I keep trying to think of, like, okay, what was the thing?
You know, I've changed my beliefs on a lot of stuff over the years.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But not the...
The beliefs have changed because the reason was I was trying to be blank.
And so as I get more information, I realize that the way to be better blank is through this, right?
Not because I've been like, aha, I've decided that everything's completely different than it used to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I never believed those things to begin with, and I didn't say them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, wild.
dan friesen
It is, it is.
But shifting allegiances and all of this, like...
Character stuff is such a big part of the way that you build these cosmologies of conspiracy.
So characters have to kind of always shift.
You have to retcon things in order to make whatever you're doing today work.
Because whatever you're doing today is the only thing that matters.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Character writing is very, very difficult.
dan friesen
It's not when there's no expectation of consistency.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So speaking of character, Steve Pachanek has a character.
jordan holmes
And true.
dan friesen
Humble.
alex jones
So he's a super insider, and he's very humble, like most big insiders are.
But he has incredible courage to come on and say 9-11's an inside job.
Now I'm going to try to sit back and shut up, because I am obnoxious, and let him start with wherever he wants to start.
The shooters, Petraeus, coming up, his recap of the Bin Laden fable.
Dr. Petraeus, great to have you with us.
steve pieczenik
It's always a pleasure, Alex.
dan friesen
Great to see you, Steve.
It's been a while.
Not humble in the least.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This man has done everything.
jordan holmes
What hasn't he...
Is there a country that he has not affected their government in some way, right?
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
There's no way that he could...
You could not ask him, like...
Like, you could do the Animaniacs.
dan friesen
What have you done for Burundi?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
He would have to come up with something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He has to.
dan friesen
And he would have an elaborate story.
jordan holmes
Oh, about how great he was.
dan friesen
I saved them.
jordan holmes
Yes, you did!
dan friesen
Yeah, and in this episode, they're talking a bit about Al-Qaeda and stuff because Alex has that CFR article that he didn't read.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Steve apparently was the one who was like...
Don't use Al-Qaeda to fight against the Russians.
jordan holmes
Of course Steve said it.
dan friesen
Vindicate it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
If everybody had listened to him, we wouldn't even have 9-11.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a lot of what is going on on this conversation that they're having has to do with Syria and Al-Qaeda in Syria.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so Steve has a point on this, and that is that you just kind of got to defend Assad.
steve pieczenik
So basically, our national security interest, from the point of view, what do we have vested in the Middle East?
At this point, honestly, the best thing we can do is to get out of there because it's not to our interest.
It's a war between the Shiites and the Sunni.
The major interest that's here is an issue of Christianity.
I'm concerned, and I've said it repeatedly, to the Coptic Christians in Egypt, in the United States, that you are in danger of having Sharia.
You are in danger of being killed.
It's an original Christian sect.
And the same issue for me is in Syria, where Bashir Assad is literally, and so are the Soviets.
The Russians are protecting the Christians.
They're in the millions.
So the issue of Christianity is becoming paramount, and no one is discussing it.
I'm quite frankly tired of keeping on saying Christianity is a problem here, and we don't We do have an interest in maintaining the viability of the Christians in Syria and in Egypt.
We can do that by supporting Assad.
Unfortunately, we don't have a choice as to democracy or non-democracy, and quite frankly, Russia, who I work against, is also protecting the Christians.
From my point of view, the Christian viability is far more important to our national interest than any financial interest.
There are no bankers who are interested in it.
We are owed $10 billion now by Syria, and Syria's not paying them for the armament.
So Russia is going into debt and being tied down in the Mediterranean, which from a strategic point of view, I'm very happy.
But I'm also pleased that at least Putin is willing to protect the Christians.
dan friesen
So this is a bit of a propaganda line of the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Myriad examples of Assad oppressing the Christians in Syria.
jordan holmes
I don't even know where to begin.
dan friesen
And it's the sort of, you know, there's no other way I can really put it.
It's just the propaganda narrative that he has is that he's the one protecting Christians against the extreme fundamentalist Muslim groups.
And that is why he should be supported by other countries.
jordan holmes
It's always weird to hear Steve go into that mode where he's so, like, real politic about it.
You know, like, I'm the grown-up in the room here.
I understand you don't want to eat your vegetables.
dan friesen
To be fair, he's talking to Alex.
jordan holmes
So he is the grown-up in the room.
Obviously, obviously.
But there's still so much of, like...
All of what you just said is absolutely insane.
You know that, right?
You're a crazy person, and you're acting like, oh, so...
Listen, I understand that it's difficult, that we don't want to support this, but at the end of the day, you're going to want to see a lot of those people gassed.
That's just the way we've got to live our lives.
If you want to be safe, you, some asshole in Missouri, if you want to be safe, you've got to let Syria gas, people!
You've got to support Assad!
dan friesen
I say this to the Coptic Christians in Egypt.
Or the United States from Egypt.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're a very rational person, you lunatic.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing, though.
Here's what you've got to take into account.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Steve knows Assad.
And, get this, it's not just like they went to a dinner party and it's like, hello, I'm Pachenik, I'm Assad.
Hello, how do you do?
It's not that.
No, no, no.
Steve was arrested by Assad.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
And interrogated.
jordan holmes
No.
Personally?
steve pieczenik
Well, that's right.
alex jones
I read that he had you arrested, didn't he?
steve pieczenik
That's correct.
He did for six hours, and then he asked me how we could do business together.
But the point in fact is that even when you're arrested and you spend time, and I was willing to go there on my own, and I knew what the consequences were, you know, this is not an issue of a government.
This is an issue of my personal choice.
I made the choice.
I knew what the consequences were.
Well, quite frankly, I had a very good relationship with the Assad regime, even after they knew who I was.
dan friesen
Okay, so if I'm to follow this, Steve took it upon himself in no official position to go over there, go over to Syria.
jordan holmes
Possible consequences.
dan friesen
And do what?
jordan holmes
And then he got arrested by Assad.
dan friesen
I'm gonna go and I'm gonna fix shit.
I'm gonna go over there and run a PSYOP or some shit.
jordan holmes
And then Assad asked...
What do we gotta do to get business going?
dan friesen
After interrogating him for six hours.
Personally, apparently.
jordan holmes
Listen, one, you gotta show, Steve, you mean business.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, and it's not because you think you're going to get Steve to change his mind.
It's because Steve won't respect you if you don't torture him first.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Steve doesn't respect people who don't try and steal him.
dan friesen
And you can't send an underling to do it.
jordan holmes
You've got to do it yourself.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, fuck you.
We're not going to do business.
I don't do business with underlings and I don't do business with people who don't torture me just because I show up randomly in their country for no reason under no auspices or government office.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You come in.
You interrogate the guy for six hours, and then that guy sees that you protect minorities.
That guy sees it in you, the integrity, through your interrogation.
jordan holmes
I love Steve in a way because I can listen to a bad lie this boldly, this brashly, from a distance.
And, like, in another room.
dan friesen
It's cartoon shit.
jordan holmes
If somebody tried to do this to my face, I think I might stab him.
I think I might stab Steve.
dan friesen
We're only, like, a few months, really, away from him going to the DMZ and pretending he's going to, like...
Rendezvous with high-level contacts in the North and South Korean governments.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Steve.
dan friesen
Steve.
jordan holmes
Lunatic.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to talk to Steve about 9-11.
Sure.
Because...
jordan holmes
Right on time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's a good source for 9-11 stuff, except that he's not.
alex jones
Here's my next question.
I've never asked you this.
From your research, knowing how this stuff works...
How did they pull off something that big?
I mean, I understand you don't know the full operation.
You just know they did it.
steve pieczenik
Well, I know the full operation because I taught it at the National Board.
alex jones
Okay, keep testing.
What did they do on 9-11?
steve pieczenik
What they did on 9-11, I don't want to go back into it, but basically they realigned everything that we had in FEMA.
They had everything in terms of the FAA.
We don't have to go into specifics.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not get into specifics.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
dan friesen
I literally know everything, but why are we going to specifics?
We're still talking about this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, how did they do it?
Listen, I don't just know how they did it.
I taught them how to do it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, I didn't teach them personally.
I taught the people who taught them how to do it.
That's why they didn't even do it as good as I could have done it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how good I could have done it at it.
Frankly, I'll do a 9-11 on you right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll do it.
How do I do it?
dan friesen
Let's not get into specifics.
unidentified
I can't get into specifics.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Then I won't be able to 9-11 you.
dan friesen
Come on.
I know everything.
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
We're not going to talk about it.
We'll have somebody else explain it for the silly people later.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, no, no, no.
We have to talk about this.
We need to kill the myth of 9-11.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Steve is kind of trying to give him the, like, let's not look backwards.
What's the point in all this?
He has no interest in having this conversation.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's 2012.
dan friesen
Right, right.
steve pieczenik
I have to look at the Air Force, who was in charge of the Air Force, what the false flags were, who were the generals at the time.
This is not what we have right now.
What we have is exceedingly responsible generals.
alex jones
No, I understand, but people need to know historically.
steve pieczenik
No, people have to understand that if they want to go back and spend that time now, we're losing time to really understand where we're heading in much faster time, Alex.
alex jones
I know, but they used 9-11 to have the military-industrial complex start setting up a police state here.
We need to kill the myth of 9-11, not just to get us out of Iraq, but to get the TSA out of my pants.
steve pieczenik
Well, if you want to kill the myth of 9-11, then bring Cheney and Bush Jr. before a trial and jury and a prosecution.
alex jones
I want to be able to take my kids to Disney World without a fat pedophile abusing them.
steve pieczenik
Look, let me tell you.
Let's get it clear.
The feds have been doing their job, and they've been doing it very effectively.
What happened recently with the killer who has been accused of, where we went into the Sikhs, and it was said that he was trained by the Army to be a killer.
It's nonsense.
The Army didn't train Mr. Page to be a killer.
The Army had him in.
He was in there.
He was a neo-Nazi.
The feds, the FBI in particular, have been exceedingly good at breaking up neo-Nazis.
alex jones
Wait, I thought they were fake.
unidentified
What?
steve pieczenik
However, thanks to 9-11, and Cheney in particular, and Michael Hayden, General Hayden, who monitored everybody during 9-11, we had, the FBI had to pull back.
Mueller's a very, very responsible director.
alex jones
What?
Goddammit.
We have to kill the Metro 9-11 briefly.
steve pieczenik
I have no problem with the TSA being disbanded and Homeland Security.
alex jones
No, I know.
Here's the deal, then.
Briefly, I mean, obviously, yes, Cheney took the power for NORAD to do shoot-downs the month before.
dan friesen
I thought it was wrong, sir.
alex jones
Back after 9-11, they had drills of the targets being hit, so that's how...
I mean, we know about the stand-down, but basically, from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong, the hijackers were doing drills of infiltrating airports and getting on board for the Department of Defense and CIA.
They were set up.
Nerve gas was released on the aircraft because the people said there's smoke, we can't breathe.
Then remote control flew into the buildings.
steve pieczenik
Let's get back to the issue.
Do we need the TSA?
No.
I've had problems with them.
They rip off the luggage.
You have the lowest level quality employees coming in.
unidentified
I'll take it.
steve pieczenik
They literally ripped off and stole a Class 3 drug that I had, which was a sleeping pill.
You have the worst of the worst being brought in, thanks to the shirt off.
What?
alex jones
Yeah, they robbed me.
steve pieczenik
Alex, I want your audience to address that issue.
alex jones
Yes.
steve pieczenik
Secondly, do we need them?
No.
unidentified
Wait, what?
steve pieczenik
Is that an issue for us?
No.
dan friesen
No, that is not an issue.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Alex is so desperate to like, let's talk about 9-11.
I want to get my conspiracies out there.
They put nerve gas into the planes and then they remotely put them into a building.
Listen, Alex.
jordan holmes
Does it matter?
dan friesen
They stole my sleeping pills.
jordan holmes
You're wasting everybody's time.
I mean, listen, they stole a bottle of whiskey from me.
I'm fine with that.
Let's get rid of the TSA.
dan friesen
There is such a desperation on Alex's part to be like, come on, we've got to do this.
You're here.
We've got to do the 9-11 conspiracy things.
We've got to lay this out.
Also, I think Alex probably doesn't stand behind any of these things anymore.
Nope.
He's forgotten a lot of his 9-11 conspiracy narratives.
They've been lost to the sands of time.
But Steve, not interested.
jordan holmes
It is so funny.
dan friesen
Is the problem with the TSA that they should have also that they have poor hiring processes and sometimes they steal things from banks?
jordan holmes
I thought it was more to do with liberty.
unidentified
I mean, let's not even do that.
jordan holmes
Let's not even bring in abstract concepts of freedom.
They don't do anything.
Good!
It's been studied over and over and over again.
They don't do the thing that they're supposed to do.
So that's...
Why can't we just agree on like, hey, I don't care what your ideology is.
If we have a thing, it should do the thing that the thing is supposed to do.
And if it doesn't do that thing, then it doesn't get to be the thing.
Right?
Like, okay.
If you're the TSA, and they're like, okay, here's what we do.
We keep knives from getting on planes, right?
And then every year, they show me a shit ton of knives that got on planes.
Then we have to be like, okay, well then you guys suck.
dan friesen
You have to also assume that there's a lot of knives that didn't get on planes.
jordan holmes
I don't have to assume that.
I don't have to assume that because I don't care.
The problem is not the knives that don't get on the planes.
The problem is the knives that do get on the planes.
I'm looking at the problem.
I'm not looking at not the problem.
dan friesen
This is a fine point, and I think that you and Steve would find common cause.
jordan holmes
I think we've got a lot to talk about here.
dan friesen
I need you.
Get on a plane, go to Syria.
jordan holmes
I'm going.
I'm going to get Assad finally.
dan friesen
See if you guys can do business together.
jordan holmes
It's only going to be, listen, it's going to be me or Steve.
Those are the only two.
dan friesen
So, like I said, it's a little bit of a bust.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not a great Steve appearance.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think the getting interrogated by Assad is probably the high point.
That's a high watermark.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And then also the, you know, I don't want to talk about your 9-11 conspiracies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is that freedom that Steve has, unlike anybody else in Alex's show, that I do enjoy.
I do enjoy the Alex has a mission.
I'm driving towards this, and Steve's like, come on.
Stop it.
jordan holmes
Screw you.
dan friesen
Stop it.
unidentified
We're not interested in this.
jordan holmes
Not all time.
But we did get the two things that we like out of Steve.
We got the big swing, and we got the slap.
dan friesen
Yeah, but they weren't great examples of them, but they were there.
jordan holmes
They were there.
It was a bad episode of a show that you love.
dan friesen
So Steve's gone, and Alex gets back to rambling, wants to talk about that CFR article that he hasn't read.
alex jones
Guys, will you print me the Council on Foreign Relations report that was in Watson's article yesterday, so I can actually read those quotes, or it's over in the other studio.
From last night where I read the quotes of the CFR going, oh, Al-Qaeda is so brave and good and doing such a good job.
Listen, if Al-Qaeda is brave and good, I'm a monkey's uncle and I want pot-bellied pedophiles to not put their hands on my genitals, okay?
I don't want checkpoints.
I don't want all this stupid paranoia, okay?
And let me tell you, the military is gearing up for martial law in this country in a giant Iran attack.
Just that stuff.
jordan holmes
But that's just always on the...
alex jones
And they stage 9-11, they can stage anything.
We're in a lot of trouble, and I'm tired of it.
dan friesen
So that counts as kind of a prediction, I guess.
They're gearing up for martial law and a big Iran attack, and that didn't materialize.
jordan holmes
Man, that is maybe...
It's a sentence that he just tossed offhand.
If they can stage 9-11, they can stage anything.
But if you stop and sit with that for a while, Man, if you really believe that, stay home.
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
I think they do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, like, what is there to do?
That's terrifying.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Yeah, if that's your engagement with reality and the world around you, then, yeah, of course you probably would be primed to think that Sandy Hook could be fake.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Why wouldn't you?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They're crazy out there, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's set his audience up to...
Basically buy anything he sells them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, once you truly accept, like, oh, the absolute craziest thing that is possible is not just possible, it's the only truth, then anything else sounds crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and anybody who tries to tell you that, hey, maybe some of this is a little bit crazy.
jordan holmes
You're in on it.
dan friesen
They're crazy.
jordan holmes
You're a nutbag.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex takes more calls, and he gets a call from a guy who weirds him out.
alex jones
Give him a shout-out.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding, brother.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, I had some comments.
I don't quite understand.
I've been a citizen for a constitutional republic since 1990.
And it just seems to me that if we take a dog license from the federal government, that we shouldn't be surprised how they treat us.
jordan holmes
Why do you sound out of breath?
unidentified
Are you familiar with the power of visitation?
alex jones
All right, you're getting into a bunch of patriot legal stuff about what type of citizen you are versus being part of the whole corporate globalist fiction.
I know there's a lot of truth to that.
The problem is the globalists don't care.
dan friesen
So Alex has no idea what this caller is talking about, but he knows a sovereign citizen when he hears one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, your heckle's raised.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he just assumes this has to do with patriot legal ideas about what kind of citizen you are.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is careful not to let this guy talk, but also not fully shut him down.
He wants to be sure to leave room in there where he's kind of endorsing sovereign citizenship, like saying there's a bit of truth to it, because if he doesn't do that, he's gonna lose a lot of his audience base.
jordan holmes
I want them to like me.
I don't like them, but it is what it is.
dan friesen
And also, I can't possibly say that all of these specific nonsense things they believe are true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, the power of visitation isn't about that stuff at all.
It has to do with what some have theorized is the root of the government's oversight and regulatory power over corporations.
In olden times, kings had the power of visitation over companies where they could dictate how they operated, and there was no need for courts or legal proceedings.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The king had the visitory rights.
jordan holmes
You'd just walk up and he'd show up and he'd be like, hey, you do this, and then you did that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's being a king.
dan friesen
Some on the right wing have proposed that this is where the government's regulatory authority derives from, and they use that as a sort of argument against the idea of regulations as a whole.
Alex has no idea what the caller is bringing up, but he's not going to risk it, let him get to the point, because he's going to end up in over his head and not be able to defend himself if the guy starts talking about how, you know, we all live in ocean law.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand correctly, then the idea is this.
unidentified
Because...
jordan holmes
Governments believe they are able to tell corporations what to do because they used to be based around kingdoms and complete authoritarian power.
That means that laws aren't real.
dan friesen
Yeah, or that the government doesn't have any of those regulatory authorities.
jordan holmes
Okay, but I mean, the kings don't have any of those regulatory authorities either.
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
Like, they're all pretend.
No, no, no, they're all pretend.
Like, the king's just a dude.
dan friesen
Right, but this is an angle to make an attack on the credibility of this.
Like, we don't have kings anymore, so why should we still have this?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Good argument.
I'm gonna go.
dan friesen
Solid.
But also, yeah.
Anyway, Alex promotes a new product that he has.
And it's a product that has a lot of potential.
It's InfoWars magazine.
jordan holmes
Like, they could just have shot the king in the face.
Like, the king shows up at their factory and they go, oh, fuck you.
I don't care.
You're just a guy.
Like, it's all pretend.
It's all in our heads.
It's just a guy!
dan friesen
They couldn't have done that.
jordan holmes
Yes, they could have!
There would have been consequences, but it's just a guy!
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
But again, it's just a guy.
You can kill him and then they'll be like, oh no, we don't have a king anymore.
dan friesen
And then they'll just get their own...
We will swiftly get another king.
jordan holmes
They'll do their own thing, you know?
But again, it's just a guy.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what this...
jordan holmes
I'm just so mad.
dan friesen
I get that.
I get that part.
But how does this implicate regulation?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm confused about.
dan friesen
No, but I mean from your perspective.
jordan holmes
I don't know anymore!
dan friesen
The fact that you can commit regicide.
Does that mean we should or shouldn't have regulations?
jordan holmes
I'm just worried that I don't know what even is the starting point for reality anymore.
dan friesen
Okay.
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
Where does it begin?
Is everybody a guy or what?
dan friesen
Hear me out.
Chess.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Just think about chess.
jordan holmes
Okay, now they're...
I'm screwed.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has InfoWars, Mike.
alex jones
Everyone who's part of the InfoWars Insider, on or before September 1st, you will get the first issue of InfoWars Magazine.
I think it's going to be around 60 plus pages long.
It is just going to be full of exclusive articles, but also boil-downs of our top stories of the month.
And the graphics, the work in it, it looks world-class.
It's going to blow people away.
I'm going to put...
I've now upgraded it from $50,000 to $70,000.
I'm putting $50,000 on the streets of Austin.
And I'm going to have $20,000 here for people to buy in bulk in groups of 100.
It comes out to like...
How much is $100?
What do we come up to?
$50 for $100 of these to hand them out.
I mean, what a weapon.
What a weapon.
And we'll have some smaller lots available as well.
Or we're also going to have a subscription to where you can sign up and have it mailed to you every month, like five copies of it.
So you can have one for yourself and give it for others.
Because as print dies, print will actually come back.
I mean, I know this.
I'm calling it Print 2.0.
But it doesn't matter.
Print's dying, not just because of the internet, but because of the perfect storm of the bad information they've got.
The disinfo.
People are sick of it.
This is going to be hard-hitting.
Wait till you see the cover of the first magazine.
dan friesen
Alex's InfoWars magazine is going to save print because it's so hard-hitting and people are tired of the bullshit.
There's no bullshit in there.
No bullshit.
Just the good, hard-hitting, true, factual information.
It did not save print media.
jordan holmes
I mean, print's doing great.
dan friesen
Well, it was neither helped nor harmed by Infowars magazine, and it's something around 20-issue run.
It did not last very long.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Alex took a bath on that.
He lost a lot of money.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine that in 2012 the answer wasn't vanity printing.
dan friesen
Yeah, and also the person who was involved with the, I believe like some of the graphic design and stuff on it was...
Determined by the Infoars audience to be a CIA plant, it caused a bunch more drama and shit that Alex would have ever wanted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
So yeah, it was a big mistake on his part.
Huge mistake.
But I do have a number of the issues, and one's on the wall somewhere, the one with the dinosaurs.
It's right behind you, I think.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, there it is.
dan friesen
It'll be a terrible, terrible magazine.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
Observe one last clip here, and Alex is promoting something else.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Get a little heavy into the ads towards the end here.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
And I will do this for everybody watching on TV.
I'm doing so much, if you're a Prison Planet TV viewer.
I've got my well-stirred Beyond Tangy Tangerine, and then I add this, because it has a little bit of green tea extract in it.
Okay, coffee won't do it sometimes for me.
This does.
You just dump that in.
And I don't know...
I don't know what you call it when you mix the two of these.
We need to make a name for these.
I learned this from pharmacist Ben Fuchs.
This is his favorite drink.
It's a polymer mixed with a beyond tangy tangerine.
And I've got my essential fatty acids.
What happened is I lost 42 pounds doing this for a few months, and I've never been a guy that drinks stuff and takes stuff and takes pills, so I got off of it a little bit and kind of didn't lose any more weight.
Now, for about a week and a half, I've gone back on it full-time, and I'm not hungry anymore, and I've lost seven pounds.
In just about the last week and a half.
You can probably see that on television right now.
And I fully committed to the office and my wife to make me take my longevity from InfoWarsTeam.com.
And you will see me lose all the weight like Aaron did.
92 pounds.
Get ready.
I'm doing it.
dan friesen
Yep.
Another wonderful time of taking his products on air.
It's going to burn that fat right off him.
Also, he's talking about a mix.
You know, you've got to come up with a name for something like that.
You know, it's kind of like an Arnold Palmer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I figured maybe, like, the Fuzzy Zeller.
I was trying to think of some racist golfers.
Golfers had a racism controversy.
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that was the best I could do for a combination.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Oh, man.
I just...
Can't we just make meth legal?
If this is what people really want, you know.
Then just do meth.
dan friesen
Well, I think there are some ripple effects that you're going to see from that that may be unpleasant.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Well, I mean, maybe.
dan friesen
Lawsuits would go up considerably based on companies selling meth.
jordan holmes
Possible.
Possible.
Let me throw this out at you.
Does Alex need to be on Infowars if he has a successful meth operation?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, look, I don't know a lot of stuff about meth operations.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
But I did watch this documentary.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
It's about this teacher.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it didn't go well for him.
jordan holmes
Did it go bad?
unidentified
It broke in a certain direction.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't feel like meth operations are the most stable.
Of Enterprise.
jordan holmes
See, now that I have noticed in the past.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
They're often appearing and then disappearing in an instant.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Many times literally.
dan friesen
I don't know if there's any Walmarts of meth.
I don't know if there's any legacy businesses that have really stood the test of time.
So for Alex, I think it would be an imprudent investment to put too much into a meth empire.
jordan holmes
Whenever I went home, there's a dispensary now.
On the main street of my hometown, which is like all of the crimes, you know, like so much.
And now it's just on main street, you know, like that's nuts.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But then to think, to think the idea that there would be like a place next to it that's like, also we do meth, you know, that.
That might be too far, even for me.
I'm permissive as fuck, man, but no meth.
dan friesen
You want a meth shop?
jordan holmes
No meth on Main Street.
I don't know.
That's my fucking campaign proposal.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
You can do meth wherever you want, but you can't have it on Main Street.
dan friesen
Someone who pretends to be permissive doesn't want a meth shop.
Wow.
Never thought I'd see the day that this kind of a hypocrisy would be.
jordan holmes
Just pathetic.
I know.
I'm disappointed in myself.
dan friesen
Well, I think, honestly, Honestly, this episode is a little strange, because obviously you had the Steve Pachanik of it all, which was the lure that drew me in.
And a little bit of a, not his finest outing, a little bit milquetoast in terms of a Steve.
And then the other thing that's really, like...
Fantastic is the board game thing, and it turns out we've covered it already.
unidentified
Amazing.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I mean, give it another 700 episodes.
Let's cover it again and see what we got.
dan friesen
Let's see.
unidentified
I think third time we'll really finally get a hold of it.
dan friesen
It may be time to revisit the secret of 2017.
See if we've figured that out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, could be.
dan friesen
So anyway, Dr. Harry, wish you all the best.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
As you pivot into a sales pitch towards...
The divine.
jordan holmes
You do what you do when you do it.
Have fun.
dan friesen
Hey, alright.
Everybody have a great time at the party.
jordan holmes
Please do.
Enjoy it.
Celebrate!
unidentified
Celebrate!
dan friesen
Don't know the rest of the lyrics.
unidentified
No, you don't.
dan friesen
Don't need to.
jordan holmes
That's the only one that matters is the one that you remember.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So, we come to the end of this, and we'll be back for another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgeright.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back on social media at some point.
We'll figure it out.
But until then, we have a boop boop with Neil.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
It's the headphones.
jordan holmes
It's the headphones.
They've thrown you off.
Yeah, I've got to take those back with me.
dan friesen
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
See, what I was doing, I was stalling to try and see if I could come up with another song to launch into, and it just didn't happen.
unidentified
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
Export Selection