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#884: August 8, 2012

Knowledge Fight #884 (August 8, 2012) dissects Alex Jones’ baseless claims—like white males being "nonviolent" (contradicted by FBI data)—and his conspiracy theories framing wars and economies as globalist board games. He cites Confessions of an Economic Hitman and Network to push eugenics and corporate control narratives, while hosts mock his logic, including sovereign citizen absurdities and a failed $50 InfoWars print ad scheme. The episode highlights Jones’ pattern of cherry-picking facts to fit preposterous agendas, from gun confiscation myths to debunked 9/11 theories, revealing how disinformation thrives on repetition over substance. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 23:29
d
dan friesen
39:51
j
jordan holmes
25:02
Appearances
s
steve pieczenik
04:14
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin calling here saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm having trouble just because, as you know, and now listeners can be filled in on, my headphones broke like a little bit before we started recording.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I'm using different headphones.
It's completely fucking me up.
jordan holmes
Chaos.
Absolute chaos.
dan friesen
So I mumbled over the altar of Celine and come up with who we talk about.
jordan holmes
We talk about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hey, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Oh, my bright spot, Dan.
Wait, was that actually, you know what?
You flipped it on me.
Now we have to roll with it.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is traveling home yesterday.
We celebrated our family's whole holiday.
You did New Year's Day.
dan friesen
We flipped it.
jordan holmes
We flipped it.
We got rid of the Xmas Day.
We got rid of New Year's and we put them all together.
And that way we don't have to.
We all go to bed at 10.
That's the idea.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You open presents and you go to bed at 10.
dan friesen
You should have done New Year's on Christmas and Christmas on New Year's.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe.
But, well, my bright spot is not that.
It is the driving home.
I swear to you, I have never driven through Chicago with no traffic.
Not even on New Year's Day before.
This is my first year of truly driving through the city of Chicago.
Do you know how fast you can get through this place if there aren't other people around?
dan friesen
Especially you cops.
jordan holmes
It is nuts out there.
It is not that much space.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
You can drive the whole thing in like five minutes.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
End-to-end Chicago five minutes.
jordan holmes
Five minutes if nobody's here.
dan friesen
It turns out all of us, we're the problem.
jordan holmes
We're the ones that the traffic.
Did you know the traffic is like of the people?
Yeah, when they're not there.
Oh, so quick.
dan friesen
Did you hit all the lights?
jordan holmes
No.
No.
We had one that we only had one red coming up on Dusab too.
I mean, it's nuts.
dan friesen
Wow.
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Nuts.
dan friesen
That's a New Year's miracle.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, it shouldn't make me feel as good as it did, but it made me feel great.
dan friesen
Wow, congratulations.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot for the new year, Dan?
My way of announcing it was a new year also.
dan friesen
I went and got a toaster oven.
I have been, you know, I moved not too long ago, but, you know, it's been a little while now.
And, you know, you gradually, you know, get things in the house.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe you take six months to get a cutting board or something.
jordan holmes
It can happen.
It could happen.
dan friesen
But yeah, I got a toaster oven replaced because I got rid of my old one when I moved last time.
And I've been missing a toaster oven.
And I got one that has an air fryer.
jordan holmes
Nice.
That's the wise way to do things.
dan friesen
I guess.
I don't know.
I've never used an air fryer before.
I don't know what it does.
I don't know why it does it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I still have not.
I haven't broken the toaster oven out of the box yet.
So I have no review on it.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
Air fryer?
It's great.
Start putting stuff in there, air fry it.
See what happens?
You're going to love it every time.
dan friesen
But see, here's the thing.
I understand how oil frying works.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You heat that oil up and fries stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Air frying, I don't know what the air is doing.
jordan holmes
Well, you heat the air up and then it'll fry the stuff for you.
dan friesen
The oil in the air?
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, whatever's in the air at the time could be nitrogen.
I don't know what our atmosphere is made up of at any given moment in time.
dan friesen
Just don't understand the mechanics.
jordan holmes
Silicon.
Is that part of our air?
No, it can't be.
That'll kill us, right?
dan friesen
Well, anyway, I don't know.
I don't know how it works.
I don't trust it, but I understand that it'll make things crispy.
jordan holmes
Do you know how an oven works?
dan friesen
Sort of.
It heats up a rock.
jordan holmes
That's kind of what I was wondering.
dan friesen
There's a little flame.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It heats up a rock.
jordan holmes
The little demon man holds the flamethrower towards the food when you close the door.
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
It's a lot like that.
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to do.
A special episode.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And we'll explain that in a moment, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Muppy says if she hears Jordan yell, thank you very much one more time, she might lose it.
Bad news, babe.
This is your life now.
Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Yosarian McBalinsky's favorite Englishman.
Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Timothy Policy Wonka Chalamay.
Thank you so much, Uranio Polisywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Chase and Devin from Once Occupied Richmond, Virginia.
Thank you so much, Uranio Polisywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Lindsay, my Raven Queen.
We're finally paper doctors and we never have to go back there again.
Love your grouse ninja.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Cindy Harer, pronounced Hair Air.
That was close.
From Occidental.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Today, like I said, we have a special episode to do.
So, I got a little bit of a message from somebody informing me that one of the original members of our Facebook community, one of the members of the group, Dr. Harry, will be entering hospice care soon, and they're having a fun going-away party.
jordan holmes
They're having a going-away party.
dan friesen
Having a blast.
jordan holmes
Which is the way to do it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just the way to do it.
dan friesen
I did not inquire about the menu.
I did not inquire about what sort of games are going to be taking place.
jordan holmes
Non-denominational, I would imagine.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
But yeah, so Sarah Beth reached out to me and wanted us to give a shout-out in celebration of this fine person who's a very good person.
jordan holmes
And as is our want.
dan friesen
Say, nah, nah, nah.
Fuck you.
I'm going to give you a special episode to celebrate.
Yeah, what's that?
jordan holmes
We'll see you in hell.
I mean, literally, but not this time.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I decided, why not?
Jump in, do a little special episode for you, Dr. Harry.
Love it.
And so we decided to do was go back to one of your birthdays and celebrate a little birthday celebration.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So today, August 8th, 2012 is what we're going to be going over.
And there's one reason I decided to do this episode.
jordan holmes
This one specifically.
dan friesen
Yeah, I chose this year's episode of that date.
And it turns out to be a bust.
But when we get there, you'll know exactly why I chose this.
unidentified
Right.
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Would be like, you're like, oh, this was Cabinet.
It's completely irresistible today.
jordan holmes
He had no choice.
He couldn't stop himself.
unidentified
But a bust.
dan friesen
Just a tragic, tragic bust.
So we start to start the episode out, and Alex is hot out of the gate.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's coming in swinging.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we are locked in, loaded, and we are ready to explode in defense of liberty.
I don't just want for humanity to awaken to the globalist threat.
I want you to come alive.
And I want to get aggressive in the info war and expose the globalist.
Okay, I want to shake the show up.
We got a special report, a week in the making, by Aaron Dykes, who absolutely is incredibly dedicated.
In fact, if I had to give an award to the most dedicated person in our operation, I don't know if I'd have to give it to Paul Watson or Aaron Dykes.
Probably for total hours spent, it'd have to be Watson.
dan friesen
But when Aaron Dykes is a good person, this is a fictional award.
jordan holmes
You could just give it to him.
alex jones
I'm a time of a specific goal.
He's probably the hardest working.
I don't know.
They both have to get the gold medal.
It probably is a tie.
unidentified
Woo!
dan friesen
What praise?
jordan holmes
That's one of the ways you can really tell a narcissist is that they have no concept of how to praise others.
It's like, okay, if I'm going to give it his award, first of all, we have to think about how I feel.
And I obviously can only give an award to the best person.
So even if this fictional award does not exist this time, even though I was trying to compliment you, Aaron Dykes, got to give it to Paul Joseph Watson.
Fuck you, Dykes.
Anyways, we're going to get that show up.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
There's a part of me that kind of respects the impulse to split hairs.
jordan holmes
Of course there is.
dan friesen
I do that.
jordan holmes
Of course there is.
Of course there is.
dan friesen
But in a situation like this, just fucking say Dykes is the best.
Just give him the compliments.
I worked on this thing with Aaron Dykes.
He's the best.
Ah, fuck him.
unidentified
Screw him.
Fuck him.
dan friesen
I dig it.
No one's better than Paul.
jordan holmes
Dude, just let it go.
dan friesen
Yeah, very strange.
Very strange.
So Alex talks about this special report that he and Aaron have put together.
And I'm confused on what Aaron did.
alex jones
It's a radio special report, but it has video as well, which is extremely powerful.
It's award-winning, in my humble opinion.
What Aaron and I have put together.
I came up with the concept of the information, but Aaron just presented it in an amazing fashion.
And it could have been quicker, but he wanted to take his time with the information.
So it's a special report.
I'm not going to even tell you the name of it or what it deals with until right before we air it, coming up in T-minus 30 minutes, 50 seconds, to be precise.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
I guess Aaron did the editing of it.
I will put visuals to it because Alex did all the information and came up with the idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and give you this one.
I'm going to interpret this one for you.
dan friesen
Aaron did B-roll.
jordan holmes
Aaron did the entirety of the thing after Alex went, hey, you should do it on this about this stuff.
dan friesen
No, because Alex does all the talking.
Sure.
It is like a speech that he's giving.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I doubt he wrote it.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, he did.
alex jones
Oh, really?
dan friesen
It's a real dog.
It's very dumb.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, wow.
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I'm pretty sure Alex wrote it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Fucking stupid.
alex jones
All right.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
You don't think Dykes could come up with something like this?
dan friesen
It has an Alex Jonesy aroma to it.
It feels like him.
All right.
You'll be able to tell when we get to it because we're going to talk about this special report.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, you know, you heard it at the beginning.
He's like, I'm fucking loaded for bear.
We're coming out of this.
He wants to flip this show on its head.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to play the special report, but also another twist.
alex jones
Let's just shake the show up.
Before I even tell you what's coming up or what's in the news, I want to hear what you'd like to talk about.
I think Neil Bortz calls it rapid fire.
I've always talked about, you know, trying to have radio graffiti.
I think that's what Alan Combs calls it.
Back when I was first on air 17 years ago, I would actually do news blitzes and cover like 100 articles in 30 minutes.
Or 50 calls in an hour.
I've never done that in like five, six years.
But we got a little bit better, as you know.
So the toll-free number to join us right now.
The phones are open.
800-259-9231.
We come back from the break.
I am going to control myself.
dan friesen
No matter what year you go to, no matter what period of time, you will find Alex saying, I'm going to blitz through these calls.
We're going to get to all these.
We're going to just get a radio graffiti this thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
He couldn't do it, and it wouldn't be interesting to watch him try to news blitz 150 stories in 60 minutes or whatever.
dan friesen
No, I mean, like I said, how could you even?
Like, what kind of context could you give for anything?
You would just say, Bah, here's this thing.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
I'm like, how could I find a way to make it both entertaining and informative to just scream as many words as possible about the news in as short a period of time as possible while reading headlines and stuff?
I can't think of any way to do it that doesn't turn into an auctioneer having a heart attack.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I'm bears outside.
jordan holmes
Bees coming at you.
dan friesen
We would learn a lot, I think.
That's true.
jordan holmes
That's the environmental news.
dan friesen
So I'd like to shout out to Neil Borts, too.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Neil Borts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Another right-wing talker.
jordan holmes
What's Bortz up to?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He might be dead by now.
Okay.
But yeah, I used to listen to him on 939, The Eagle in Columbia, Missouri.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, Neil Bortz, like the flat text.
That was a big thing for him.
jordan holmes
Man, I love those flat taxes.
dan friesen
He had a co-host named Royal.
jordan holmes
God bless him.
alex jones
Royal.
jordan holmes
Royal.
dan friesen
It was his producer.
There's a lady.
I can't remember her name, too.
That was the crew.
jordan holmes
It was actually Robin.
dan friesen
The Borts.
jordan holmes
She was doing double duty with Stern and Borts.
dan friesen
I feel like there's a natural overlap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
alex jones
Neil Borts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, morning and evening stuff.
dan friesen
I feel like it goes a long way in radio to have a name with a Z in it.
I think Neil Borts was.
jordan holmes
Was it a Z?
Yeah.
As Z does help.
dan friesen
So Alex does not get to the call blitz immediately.
Instead, he decides to ramble a bit about race.
alex jones
Sure.
There's calls in the media now about the dangerous white male.
White males are the second most nonviolent, low crime rate group.
If you look at statistics, and I don't get off into race stuff, but it's all over the media today.
unidentified
I get off this morning when he was covering different stories.
alex jones
So I'm going to get to that later, where they're saying white males are the threat and are the source of all evil.
The number one least dangerous group is white women.
Then it's Asian women.
This is just the department's own crime statistics.
Kurt Nimmel's written articles about it.
And then it's white men.
jordan holmes
It's a great department, that Justice.
alex jones
Okay.
The least violent people are white women and then Asian women and then white males.
I mean, that's just a fact.
dan friesen
This is complete nonsense.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
What Alex is saying is what he feels like the statistics would show, where white women are essentially the most harmless creatures on earth.
Asian women wouldn't hurt anybody.
And then coming in a close third is white men.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
White men do almost no wrong, but it's hard to compete with the nonviolent tendencies of white and Asian women.
jordan holmes
Well, we would be as nonviolent as white women, but we have to protect white women from all the other races.
dan friesen
I assume Alex might retreat to that.
jordan holmes
I guarantee that's exactly what he would say.
I guarantee it, like a million, billion percent.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I consulted the FBI crime statistics for 2012.
You might be surprised to learn that none of this matches up with what you find.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
White people were committing quite a bit of violent crime, but stats don't matter to Alex.
Yeah, especially when he's talking about stats.
jordan holmes
It's about how you feel.
dan friesen
It's about vibes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's doing vibe talk about crime stats.
jordan holmes
Why would you even say that?
What would you even have?
What could he possibly think positive could come out of being like, eh, you know, as we all know, white women can't hurt anybody.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's what the audience wants to hear and what they feel too.
Weird.
So I think it works.
He's given vibes that the audience wants to vibe back with him.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
So the media, like Alex had already sort of suggested on that last clip, they're trying to scare everybody about the idea of lone wolf white terrorism.
Sure.
And so he talks about that a little bit.
alex jones
There is a flotilla of news articles talking about the lone wolf evil white person.
So it's gone from, as I told you a few years ago that we saw in internal Homeland Security reports, that it's the Muslim extremists, give up all your rights.
They're hiding in your underwear.
The TSA has to check right now.
To white males are everywhere.
They're vicious.
They're racist.
They're murderers.
They're criminals.
Lock up your wives, your daughters, your children.
They're everywhere.
We've got to take their guns.
dan friesen
Some of this is, I think, probably the result of the Batman Aurora shooting just having happened.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So I think some of that conversation might be part and parcel of that.
But also, this is of note.
You notice the way that Alex is saying that they're trying to take this stuff.
They're plying on Muslim terrorists and then now pivot it to the white man.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He does this all the time.
He's saying that the Biden Justice Department is doing that now.
This is constantly something that is in the present happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's fairly easy always to rely on that because anything that, you know, you've always got for the paranoid libertarian that like Caesar crossing the Rubicon, like any pointed action towards outside the country that then gets pointed inside is the next step is we got a new Caesar.
Right.
So if it's like, oh, yeah, no, it's fine.
You can torture people off.
Oh, Iraq, who cares?
You know, but if you do it here, then you're going to be Caesar.
That kind of concept, right?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the basic reason that that works.
dan friesen
Now, mix a little bit of white identity.
jordan holmes
Oh, now you got the sauce.
dan friesen
That's the InfoWar sauce.
jordan holmes
Now you got the juice.
dan friesen
Which I'm surprised Alex hasn't sold.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised.
dan friesen
InfoWar sauce.
It would be a cream sauce.
It would be a mayo.
It would be some sort of a mayo, I think.
It wouldn't be an Aioli because that's too highfalutin for the InfoWarriors.
I think there's no way around that.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's like, you have this transition from focusing on Islamic terrorists.
Now it's white people.
It's all the white people.
And Alex could see behind the curtain, and he knew that this was coming.
alex jones
Basically, John Wayne is the enemy.
And I told you that that was going to be the public rollout.
We could see the rollout being prepared behind closed doors because first they get their minions ready for the new enemy.
And I told you, okay, coming out of that gate is going to be this particular gladiator.
Because see, here's the analogy.
I've been behind the gates.
I saw they were getting suited up and ready.
I walked out and said, okay, coming out of that gate is going to be a guy with a trident and a neck because I saw him getting suited up.
People are like, oh, no, you didn't see that.
unidentified
Boom!
alex jones
Gates open.
Charging out right at us is the false flag terror attacks to be blamed on the evil whitey.
Because it could be anybody.
I mean, the terrorist could be anybody who's a Muslim, anybody who's got brown skin.
They've all now been properly demonized as terrorists.
And now, who do you get?
Oh, now the John Deerek person.
dan friesen
Yeah, the John Deere cat person.
Wow.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Prior to MAGA, we had John Deere.
dan friesen
John Deere caps.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
So Alex can't see behind any curtain, and there is no man with a trident and net that he accurately saw coming.
But this clip is pretty important context to consider for the next phase of Alex's career.
We're in August 2012, just a few months before the Sandy Hook shooting, and then only a few more months before the Boston Marathon bombing.
In both of those cases, Alex was deeply invested in covering the stories as if they were false flags being blamed on a white patsy in order to take guns.
And that's because that was the storyline he went in looking for.
He'd already determined that this was what the globalists were going to do, so he forced his coverage into fitting that mold instead of learning about the events and covering them as they exist in reality.
For Alex, reality is second to narrative, and his narrative about what these majorly traumatic events will be about was clearly set in advance.
In Alex's world, everything appears as if predictions are coming true.
Not because they are, but because Alex distorts reality to make it fit the shape of the predictions and narratives he establishes as being what his imaginary enemies are planning.
This is a parlor trick.
And for those who might be thinking the Boston bombing was carried out by the Tsarnev brothers, according to Alex's coverage, the globalists originally planned to blame it on a white guy, but they had to change patsies because Alex called them out and ruined the plans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't worry.
dan friesen
So that still fits.
jordan holmes
It still fits.
Yeah, yeah.
They retconned that one to be, yeah.
I think what I find really fascinating about this is that this is doubly the wrong conversation.
Do you know what I mean?
Like that conversation about lone wolf stuff, we know that that was going on.
There were those conversations about all of these lone wolf terrorists and shooters being ideologically, you know, individuals, as opposed to now we realize that the conversation should have been, this was a conversation from the beginning.
You know, this was a network from the beginning, not one that was well thought out or anything like that, but this is a conversation.
And so for them to be wrong and then to have Alex wrong on top of that, it is like, of course the conversation cannot move forward.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We're still digging back through three levels of wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, but the way that Alex is wrong is intentionally to run cover for the people who he wants to commit terrorist acts.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, even if we're kicking ass through Alex's shit, we have made it to being wrong on only one level.
You know, because of the conversation that Alex is derailed, we can't even talk about the way that we are already on the wrong path.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it is a limitation.
Yeah.
So, you know, this notion that they had was that there's the sort of Tea Party types and the, you know, the hard right wing, the militia folks, and that they were going to work with Al-Qaeda.
Like, Al-Qaeda was going to, or conversely, Al-Qaeda was going to use and infiltrate some of these groups in order to hide in plain sight and then commit terror through that.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
So Alex has a rebuttal to that that I think is sort of pointing the finger at himself a little bit.
alex jones
I mean, Business Insider and others have the headlines of Firestorm after Colonel's report prepares for Tea Party insurgency.
That's not the Firestorm.
It says Al-Qaeda is going to infiltrate into the U.S. from Mexico and link up with the Tea Party.
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, the Tea Party is the most Islamophobic group.
It's unbelievable how dumb they think.
But I told you, they're going to blow stuff up and claim Patriots work with Al-Qaeda.
I told you that a long time ago.
I know these people.
I eat, drink, and sleep, and I'm inside their mind.
dan friesen
Or I imagine I am.
But also, the Tea Party, which I am the leader of, is far too Islamophobic to ever work with Muslims.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like the irony now is how often we hear them being like, well, I mean, sure, but at least they're in control of their women.
dan friesen
You know, like, certainly you hear that from Alex from time to time.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of ideological overlap that Alex is throwing.
dan friesen
Certainly, Alex has now come around to like, I like how much they hate gay people.
I like Muslim fundamentalists hate gay people.
Yeah.
So he's made a little bit of peace there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, apparently.
These people are so stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also another thing that Alex has sort of made peace with is the, you know, he's scoffing at the idea of like Al-Qaeda coming in through the border.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
His whole narrative now is so much of these like Hezbollah sleeper cells.
jordan holmes
They're coming in through the border.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're all coming in through the border.
dan friesen
His only gripe, really, I guess, is the idea that his Tea Party friends would ever associate with Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess that is the problem.
Well, 10 years changed a lot, hasn't it?
dan friesen
So Alex does take some calls, and he has a bit of a prediction for one of these callers that I think is a little bit, I mean, we're 11, well, now 12, it's 2024.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
12 years past this.
And I don't think this has come to pass.
unidentified
Police aren't even driving in normal police cars anymore.
They're driving in these huge kind of, I mean, they're marked as police cars, but they're huge and they look like the Homeland Security kind of truck.
alex jones
No, They have giant black new homeland security trucks going in nationwide.
Yes, the police will roll around in giant tanks because the foreign banks took over.
These are collaborators.
Most of them don't know it.
And they are training the military, not just the MPs now, but general military in police work before they deploy Brigade Homeland to every city, every major city.
A city the size of Austin will have 4,000 troops in it.
A city the size of Dallas will have about 12,000.
A place like New York will have about 50,000 troops in it.
And we're to be fully occupied by the foreign New World Order Army.
And they expect a lot of military, once the gun confiscation begins, to rebel.
So there'll simultaneously be purges in the military of active duty, but then the hunting down of veterans they have files on for extermination.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that didn't happen at all.
jordan holmes
No, not even a little bit.
dan friesen
And I think one of the things that clip illustrates really well is how you can't, you shouldn't associate with Alex even with things that you agree with him about.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I think that you and I can both agree that the militarization of police is a problem.
jordan holmes
Huge problem.
dan friesen
You know, but that doesn't mean that the military is taking over the police in order to gun confiscate and then kill everybody under globalist orders.
jordan holmes
Big difference.
dan friesen
This is a distortion of the conversation around the militarization of police that leads you down an impotent alleyway where you're never going to get anything done.
I think that's by design.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the conversation really is like, okay, if an organization starts its slave catchers and then you turn them into a military, didn't you just make the Confederacy again?
There you go.
dan friesen
Well, certainly not the way Alex would want to cover it.
No, but it's not Confederate royalty.
Exactly.
So we had to tease at the beginning of this episode.
All right.
There was a special report made by second best info warrior Aaron Dykes.
jordan holmes
Poor guy.
Couldn't even get one compliment.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Nope.
unidentified
He got it qualified.
dan friesen
Qualified compliment.
So Alex introduces this and he reveals the big name of it.
alex jones
We are titling this video Full Spectrum Evil.
Full Spectrum Evil.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
You're facing full spectrum evil.
jordan holmes
Say it one more time.
alex jones
They create Al-Qaeda, use Al-Qaeda against Russia, the Serbs, moderate Muslim countries.
They use Al-Qaeda against the United States or Al-Qaeda takes the blame for globalist attacks as a pretext to take our liberties.
It is a key set piece.
They move around the board to wherever they want to invade.
And they think you're so stupid, they can tell you Al-Qaeda are heroes.
Go look at the Council on Foreign Relations.
Latest report they put out last Friday where they praise CFR.org, foreign affairs.
They praise Al-Qaeda.
That's how dumb they think you are.
And now they're flipping the script to domestic terrorist and creating this fear that there are white terrorists.
They're now saying on the news, last year you saw the Homeland Security training videos where all the terrorists are white, blowing up shopping malls, movie theaters, sports stadiums.
And then it starts.
Then it begins.
And then the people are all government run.
Air Force top psychiatrist, multiple shooters witnesses say.
Army psyops connected.
The witnesses see four shooters.
The head of the Sikh temple sees men casing the joint.
I mean, white supremacist groups, more than half of them are feds.
The members has come out.
They're run in almost every case by the feds.
What do you do?
You just kill one of your operatives after your operatives shoot people.
They infiltrate, then they bug out, and then you put it on the news.
Very simple.
This is how a black op is run.
And so the globalists are now dropping the hammer on us with these false flags.
And this is the summer of false flags that will lead into the fall and the winner of huge wars if they get away with this.
We are in grave danger.
dan friesen
Hearing stuff like this, it's really easy to see the headspace Alex was in during the months leading up to the Sandy Hook shooting.
He was deeply invested in this narrative that the globalists had taken all the demonization that they built up around Islamic terrorism and projected it onto the right wing so they could start doing false flags to blame on white people.
Alex was obviously going to filter every single story that he came across through that lens, regardless of what the reality on the ground was.
What I'm saying is that there was never a chance he was going to report on Sandy Hook, honestly.
He was far too deep into this narrative to let a prime tragedy like that go to waste.
Also, if you have the mentality that Alex has about white supremacist groups, sure doesn't seem like you could ever really think any of them are real.
Seems like every act of racist violence is conveniently excused as not really actually being racist violence, but in fact, just the globalists trying to make white people look bad doesn't seem like a healthy perspective.
Seems cowardly.
jordan holmes
Here's what I've always found funny about that.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Okay, so when you think about it, Alex's point ultimately is like, okay, so these white supremacist groups are created by the government and, you know, controlled by the FBI and so on and so forth to make white people look bad.
And it's like, I mean, it makes them look bad already.
You know, like the government already, I don't know, it doesn't make white supremacists look so much bad as everybody.
All of them.
They all look terrible.
You know, like when you find out that the second in command, like the Michigan kidnap thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When you find out the second in command was the FBI guy and you're like, come on, man, second?
You can't do that.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
You can be like a guy.
You can infiltrate and you can be a guy who's like listening, but you can't be like, and here's my thoughts.
No, that's not cool.
dan friesen
What if...
jordan holmes
That's not cool.
That's you telling them to do stuff.
dan friesen
Maybe.
You don't know the organization.
Maybe they had a really strong unitary leader.
You were just a figurehead in second in command.
Plus.
What if you're really great?
And you just accidentally stumble ass backwards into being second in command.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
You didn't do anything.
That the guy they would hire to do awesome undercover field work is probably a guy that they want in the white supremacist group to be the leader.
dan friesen
Look, I agree.
It's messy.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
But I also think that you could make an argument that nobody looks good, because even if a group is fake, you're still getting people to join a group.
And those people don't look great.
jordan holmes
All of you look terrible.
This is a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, even if it is a fake thing that says white supremacists come here, the white supremacists keep going.
People go to it and they look bad.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex brings up the CFR in Foreign Affairs calling Al-Qaeda heroes, which he attributes to a report they allegedly put out last Friday, which would have been the 3rd of August, 2012.
It took quite a while, but I was able to find what Alex was talking about.
The CFR wasn't calling Al-Qaeda heroes.
And in fact, you can find a great deal of fairly negative coverage of that terrorist group on their site.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This was an opinion piece written by Ed Hussein, who is a senior fellow for Middle Eastern Studies.
Hussein was making the argument that the Free Syrian army, who was fighting against Assad, would essentially be incapable of continuing to fight were it not for the fact that members of al-Qaeda had joined their ranks.
Sure.
The Syrian wing of Al-Qaeda was called Jabbat al-Nusra Li Alhi al-Sham.
And Hussein says, quote, Al-Qaeda is not sacrificing its martyrs in Syria merely to overthrow Assad.
Liberation of the Syrian people is a bonus, but the main aim is to create an Islamist state in all or part of the country.
Failing that, they hope to at least establish a strategic base for the organization's remnants across the border in Iraq and create a regional headquarters where Mujahideen can enjoy a safe haven.
If Al-Qaeda continues to play an increasingly important role in the rebellion, then a post-Assad government will be indebted to the tribes and regions allied with the Jabbat.
Hussein isn't praising al-Qaeda.
He's bringing this up as something to be very concerned about.
He makes this very clear when he goes on to say, quote, the unspoken political calculation among policymakers is to get rid of Assad first, weakening Iran's position in the region, and then deal with al-Qaeda later.
But the planning to minimize Al-Qaeda's likely hold over Syrian tribes and fighters must begin now as the Obama administration ramps up its support to rebel groups.
Alex is making shit up to serve his purposes.
There's never been a person who is more fortunate to have an uncurious audience than Alex.
This is not saying that al-Qaeda are heroes.
jordan holmes
No, this is the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend conversation, right?
dan friesen
It's 180 from what Alex says.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is like, hey, listen, I know you might think this is helpful, but this is not helpful.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is a thing that is happening that we need to also plan for.
dan friesen
Yeah, if we are accepting the idea that El Nusra fighters are backing the Free Syrian army, we need to plan on a contingency of what to do to not allow a post-Assad world to be run by.
jordan holmes
That makes more sense.
dan friesen
Fuck it.
Report a fake version of this to your audience because they'll just hear CFR and be like, oh, Alex knows all about them.
jordan holmes
I mean, reading is hard.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
That is inarguable.
dan friesen
Much more satisfying just listening to this dum-dum.
Anyway, Alex is getting to the special report.
So he brings it.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And he starts it off.
unidentified
Full spectrum evil.
alex jones
Here it is.
Full spectrum evil.
The Secret of the New World Order Takeover Program.
Alex Jones here to cover a topic, an issue, that is one of the most important I've ever discussed.
This information is very closely held by governments and elite corporations.
They do not want you understanding this.
Now, many of you that are already aware of this, it'll seem simple, but large swaths of the global population have no idea the real geopolitical paradigm that we're living in today.
Today, we will look at the real forces, the real players in the battle for 21st century global hegemony.
I'm going to break down who really rules the world, how they control the planet, and how they are trying to usher in a world war that is really pointed at the general population.
dan friesen
It seems like every third or fourth piece of media Alex puts out involves a promise that he's going to reveal who runs the world and all their evil plans.
And yet, here we are.
I don't think we have more specific answers than the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Bilderberg group, and then their plans are whatever conspiracy I want to scare you about this week.
jordan holmes
I would be happier if he said for the time being, or for like in the moment we exist in now.
You know, like I'm going to reveal to you who's the for the time being.
dan friesen
He can't, though, because this plan is supposed to extend back to all the history of our country, history prior to our country, and then now we know it goes back to the time of the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's the same.
dan friesen
Like, he can't have for now.
jordan holmes
It does feel like the enemy changes so frequently, and yet the rules say that it's the same one every time.
dan friesen
Mysteriously, no classroop, no World Economic Forum, no weird.
So, this kind of grandiose language Alex is using, he uses it pretty consistently because, on some level, he knows that material like this is meant to indoctrinate new people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is meant to excite people with the promise that he knows who runs the world and all their secrets.
That's why you hear that little dip into his dramatic voiceover mode in the middle when he's talking about the dark forces.
jordan holmes
First taste is free.
Come on.
dan friesen
It's like he's doing a movie trailer voice about his own bullshit.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In a world where I tell the truth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this starts, and I was so fucking disappointed.
alex jones
To begin my illustration, I have three different board games here: chess, the classic game of risk, as well as Monopoly.
We're going to look at these systems of stylized warfare, and between these three systems, we find the truth of the system that we're living under.
dan friesen
Okay.
As I was listening to this, it struck me that it sounded familiar, and I could have sworn that we covered this already.
I went back through our episodes and found that on episode 119, we covered this special report because Alex played it on a different episode.
I decided that because it was 700 episodes ago, maybe we'd hear it differently.
jordan holmes
I remember it clearly.
dan friesen
Maybe we'd hear it differently this time.
And honestly, I have no idea what we said about it, and I don't believe you remember this.
I remember none of it.
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
So, what the hell?
Let's listen to it again and see what we can learn about how the world is like a board game.
jordan holmes
Let's roll those dice.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex is going to be talking about how excited he is about the special report later in the episode, so we should have some context.
So, let's just dive in.
We got chess.
jordan holmes
Chess.
Risk.
Risk.
dan friesen
Monopoly.
Monopoly.
None of the other fine games.
jordan holmes
No go, no chutes and ladders.
dan friesen
None of this.
jordan holmes
No settlers of Catan.
dan friesen
I'm certain all of these references were made the last time we talked about this.
alex jones
To begin with, I'm going to use a Lego chess set as an illustration to my Lego.
I think it's a lot of primitive forms of government.
unidentified
Come on.
alex jones
Warfare and domination.
If you look at this set, you notice there are two sides.
There is the red and there is the green.
Or there is the black, there is the Christmas Legos.
From the beginnings of civilization more than 6,000 years ago until about 1700.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
This was a lot of warfare between nations.
There were occasional alliances, but by and large, warfare and politics was carried out in a very two-dimensional way, like a chess set.
You have the ruling class, the royalty, the priest class, the elite, the generals, and in front of them they have basically their conscripts or the lower class fighters who can also represent just the general population.
And these two groups are engaged in warfare and base domination against each other to control larger areas of land and the vassal populations living in serfdom.
dan friesen
For 6,000 years you had to take the queen.
I mean so this is something that feels like it was like it probably feels real, but nothing Alex is saying connects with actual history.
He's infantilizing ancient cultures and pretending that everything they did was just one-on-one conflicts.
I mean if you go through history you'll find countless examples of very complicated alliances and multi-sided conflicts.
I think what Alex is trying to say get at as an idea is that war from 6,000 years ago to about 1700 was strictly bilateral.
There were two sides in the conflict and each side had their elites like kings, queens, and castles, as well as their wrath like the pawns.
But this is kind of dumb.
And one would just need to look at the history of like China or Italy to get a sense of how off the mark Alex's analysis is just from the jump.
This has no connection to reality.
jordan holmes
What war of blank kingdoms included a number higher than two?
dan friesen
There certainly aren't two examples of that in world history at least.
So I think I get sort of what he's trying to start off with, but it's erroneous.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the most fun version of that, though, is just like, think of the conflicts on the Polynesian islands during so many time periods of like multipolar war at all times.
And then your enemies are your friends.
And then, and there's no, sometimes there's a king and sometimes it's just a bunch of guys.
You know, it's a fun, fun way of looking at human history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All it's scrunched up.
dan friesen
Or city-state times various European areas.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
We're mad at that dude from there.
dan friesen
I mean, I get it.
I get it.
Chess is a very basic war facsimile game.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that's what Alex is trying to pretend the world is like, too.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
dan friesen
Because the globalists have been running things since like, you know, forever.
So that was their model back then.
So Alex says something else about chess I think is really weird.
alex jones
Interesting.
One area that we see from the ancient chess model that is still used in statecraft by the globalist is the fact that sometimes wars were launched in the case of the French and the British against each other when they had rebellions at home.
They soon learned it was a way to turn inner anger at the state against a foreign state and to reduce the population of young males that you didn't have jobs for.
dan friesen
Is that a part of chess?
I haven't played chess in a while, but I don't feel like that's a primary objective or even secondary objective of chess.
jordan holmes
All right.
A lot of times people aren't thinking, you know, while you're thinking about your moveset, you're like, oh, I'm four moves ahead.
That's really cool.
But what you're not thinking about is how to feed your pawns, where they're going to stay after the game is over, what it is that they are going to do.
Like, you know, what's their leisure time activities?
What are you talking about?
You're going to have these pawns here and you're just going to play the game?
dan friesen
I will say that I have never gotten into a game of chess with somebody.
And then we, you know, we go through a little bit.
I take a couple of their pawns and they're like, all right, I'm done.
I was just trying to lose some pawns.
jordan holmes
You're not even playing the right game.
There are times where you'll take some pawns, right?
And then the pawns will be like, oh, thank goodness, that guy's not feeding me over there.
And then you have to have a conversation with the guy.
You quit playing the game and you're like, man, you can't treat people like this.
This is unacceptable behavior.
dan friesen
There's no jobs over on my side of the board.
jordan holmes
You're just sacrificing people?
Like, they don't matter to you.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's all a thing of the past.
The two-sided warfare.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
The two-sided fight is a bygone era.
In truth, for more than 300 years, the globalists have been financing multiple sides of wars, knowing that conflict destroys nations and gets countries deep into debt.
And that is the key.
They're financing both sides.
And we see this being pioneered by people like the Rothschilds, starting in the 17 and 1800s, where they would finance sometimes three or four different factions, and it didn't matter who won because all of them were in debt to them and had societies that were wrecked after the wars.
Next, let's look at the game of risk.
unidentified
Yeah, let's.
jordan holmes
Why?
I feel like we're not done with chess.
If this is your, if, if, if, if this is your even basic metaphorical understanding of chess, I'm mad at you.
We need to spend more time there.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're moving on.
That's a risk.
This is our discussion of chess.
jordan holmes
That was it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Also, Alex has a lot of ideas about Rothschild's controlling all sides of wars and stuff that he has not substantiated at all.
And I know was part of his, you know, we talked about it in the endgame documentary about his quite elaborate claims about these things that in his bibliography says, insert here evidence of Rothschild's fighting on both sides of wars.
So no citation in the bibliography outside of I don't have one.
I'll find it later.
jordan holmes
You know what is an interesting chess thing that I definitely didn't know about when we talked about it is that Magnus Carlson, Grandmaster, best chess player human ever to live, right?
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
So he's studying all the machine learning algorithms that play chess that are like a million times better than any human being has ever done it.
And the big strategic change that he's learned from them is to use the king more aggressively in the endgame.
So the idea is that's metaphorically very, very interesting about this is that for thousands of years, human beings have played with this kind of inherent risk avoidance with the king.
Obviously, it's the most important game, right?
You know, that kind of thing.
And it takes a machine to go, it's just another fucking guy if you're playing the game to win.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not be precious about the king.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We're trying to win.
We're not trying to do anything else.
I don't care if you live.
I don't care if you die.
We win.
So that's a real thing.
dan friesen
So has this revolutionized optimal chess playing?
jordan holmes
I don't think it has revolutionized overall just because the machines are so good.
And then whenever you're playing against a human, it's almost a completely different game, right?
So I do think that that's helped Magnus Carlson in like blitz chess and the ultra-rapid stuff.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because he's better than anybody who's even ever considered those.
dan friesen
You know another amazing chess thing?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Bangkok, Oriental City.
We don't know what the city is getting.
Creme to the creme of the chess world and a show of everything but your Brennan.
jordan holmes
I want to say that one was definitely time five.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem a minute.
I don't remember the rest of this song.
That is one Bangkok from the musical chess.
jordan holmes
I really want to go back.
No, I really certainly said that one.
I almost guarantee you said that one.
dan friesen
There's almost no doubt.
Anytime chess comes up, got to talk about Murray Head.
Yep.
So we are introducing risk.
Here we go.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Next, let's look at the game of risk.
These are primitive attempts to distill down human conflict and domination into a game you can play in a few hours.
The militaries all have basically equal resources, equal numbers of troops, and to enter into the equation some type of random probability, we have dice and we have cards.
There is no discussion here on looking at the real model that we are under today.
We're going to come back to risk here in a moment, but first let's move to the game of monopoly.
dan friesen
Wait.
That's all?
That's all.
That's you're introducing risk, and that's all you got to say?
Just described how you play it.
jordan holmes
Just redo it.
dan friesen
Just cards and you roll dice.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, you can't play it in a few hours.
I mean, not usually.
jordan holmes
I've never played a game.
I've never finished a game, I don't think.
dan friesen
Oh, I finished plenty, but they were like all-night affairs.
They would go forever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be like, at best, you would have to plan a second day.
dan friesen
In my history, me and some folks.
Fernandez, Joe Fernandez, used to like to play risk.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it would just be like, you got to expect you're probably going to be there till like four in the morning, five in the morning.
Yeah.
We never have a second day unless you're counting like the sunrise.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, I got what you're saying.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's not a few hours.
Unless you're playing bad.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
There's a lot of people who play bad.
dan friesen
True, true.
And I do think that most of the time, risk games, they'll often end up in a situation of like two people getting dangerously close to saying, let's fucking call it.
Because they keep going back and forth, killing each other's armies and not finishing off getting all the countries in the world.
jordan holmes
The most accurate war simulator or war simulation aspect of risk is the eventual disgust for the game of risk.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And war itself.
dan friesen
This is meaningless.
War is hell.
unidentified
People.
dan friesen
War as hell.
jordan holmes
And like your friends.
You don't even know if you like those people anymore after a good game of risk.
And then you realize that if a good game of risk makes you hate everybody, don't fight wars.
dan friesen
That's probably the best outcome you can have of playing risk.
So Alex brought up Risk.
Didn't really say much about it.
Says we're going to get back to it, I guess.
jordan holmes
Do you think we do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I've listened to it and I don't know.
So he's going to talk about Monopoly.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
In the game of Monopoly, you have different economic groups or four players that attempt to engage in economic warfare against each other and then be able to create a monopoly or a single entity that is in control of New York City.
To understand the real system we're under, it's important to combine monopoly and risk with an overlay of strategy from chess.
And this is a key part of the real system we live under today.
dan friesen
What the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Now I want to play this game.
I want to figure out how to play.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So you've got a chessboard.
When you move a pawn or when you make a chess move, that has to correspond to a move in risk, which also has to correspond to a move in Monopoly.
dan friesen
I don't know.
No, because there's an overlay of chess.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a combination of risk and monopoly.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
With an overlay of chess.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which I don't even know what that means.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
I think you want a risk board, is what Alex is saying.
Sure.
jordan holmes
So you got the globe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But then you want monopoly in terms of like paying rent if you land on Kutsk.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
So you put your army there, but you have to have a constant resource built.
dan friesen
Yeah, like, and instead of like battling, it's like you have to pay rent for landing there or something, maybe.
But then the overlay of the strategy of chess, I don't really understand.
jordan holmes
Oh, so in 2012, Alex Jones created StarCraft.
dan friesen
Man, he's going to be pissed.
He's going to be pissed he doesn't get residuals.
Also, Monopoly is famously set in Atlantic City.
Small point.
Also, canonically, as the player, you're not so much a financial group as you are a landlord.
It was based off a prior game called The Landlord's Game, which was very anti-landlord.
Charles Darrow came along and stole that idea from the woman who created it and made the gold more strictly capitalistic, which is spiritually fitting since he stole it and made a ton of money off it.
jordan holmes
Metaphorically, it just doesn't get more on the nose than that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know about the you're a financial group.
I feel like he's taking tiny little pieces of things that are kind of like, oh man.
It's like this would fly amazingly at a bong circle.
jordan holmes
Oh shit.
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude, the world is just like risk and monopoly with an overlay of chess.
jordan holmes
If you're in the like common area, everybody's high and everybody's just kind of suddenly noticing all the board games that have been in the dorm room common area for a while.
Somebody pulls one out and then starts going.
You could see a bunch of people listening to a boring, boring monologue about this shit.
dan friesen
We all live in Candyland.
alex jones
Oh my God.
dan friesen
You know who Klaus Schwab is, Lord Licorice?
jordan holmes
I am 19 and it feels great to be high.
dan friesen
Oh man.
I would love to put this side by side with the time we talked about this 700 episodes ago and see like it would it's it's freaking well you were definitely uh were we still drinking probably I think we were still but it still freaks me out the idea of like there's probably like one-to-one like just comparisons of like Lord Licorice joke dancing's chess I think that's.
jordan holmes
I think that is less something that's more a hallmark of we are exactly who we are.
We are not putting on airs, we are not pretending to be people, we are not, or we are not really profoundly creative.
We're not very interested.
Gets one out not very interesting, nope.
dan friesen
So monopoly is the closest thing there is to our system in board games.
alex jones
So out of these three board games, monopoly out of these three board games describes our modern system itself is only two-dimensional.
You see the private Federal Reserve that's owned by six private banks, Goldman SACH JP, Morgan BANK OF America and others others.
They always win all three others.
You're playing their game.
You think you're battling it out for houses and apartments and for park place and for the electric company and for the railroad and for the top hat and for the fashion show.
But it's the bankers that control the politicians.
They've got to get out of jail, free car.
unidentified
So you do understand the basic game of the money.
dan friesen
The Treasury works for them, but one of the players is the banker in monopoly yeah, and in monopoly you are playing to get the properties.
There are politicians and the bank.
I understand, I understand what he's trying to project like real world stuff into this.
But that's not.
That's not how monopoly is played.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's like he understands the landlords get the original.
He understands the concept of like oh, they're playing with us, we're the.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, and instead he's like uh well, the the implication right, if you're playing monopoly sure right okay, hear me out here i'm, i'm listening, okay.
So you, let's say you're playing a four-player game, all right, you are not the only four people that exist right in the world, so hold on okay.
Let's say you have all of the orange properties and you put a bunch of hotels on them or whatever, raise the rents up real high.
Okay, so obviously, if a player lands on it, they have to pay the rent for all this.
Sure, but what about all the Unheard?
unseen people who also land on it, who aren't players in the game.
All of the other people who are walking down Illinois Avenue.
That's a good point.
They're all getting screwed by you playing this game.
jordan holmes
You know what I like?
dan friesen
The imaginary citizens of Atlantic City walking around.
jordan holmes
Here's what I don't like.
As a capitalist, I don't like that you're not maximizing the amount of rent you could be getting knowing that there are pedestrians just going around.
Like, sure, I see your silver dog land on my fucking thing, but I know in my mind that there's probably like 30, 40 people walking down New York Avenue, right?
And I need your constant upkeep for that.
So I'm going to prefer to have at least $2 per turn from you.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
Just because people walk on this orange property.
dan friesen
So I think Alex should get deeper into how these games are played.
I think what we're getting at.
unidentified
So basically, here's the world.
Okay.
dan friesen
The globalists want to play Monopoly.
Right.
Right?
They want to play Monopoly with all the countries in the world.
Sure.
But sometimes other countries don't want to play Monopoly.
alex jones
So the bank wins.
But what happens if a home country won't sell?
What happens if an African nation won't play the Monopoly game?
Or what happens if a Middle Eastern country doesn't want to be part of the modern bankster system based in London and New York?
Well, then that's where risk comes in because they want to be able to take you over through economic espionage, as John Perkins has written in his bestseller, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
But if they can't, this is in all the official CIA and State Department documents.
jordan holmes
All of them.
alex jones
Then come and finance your neighbor to attack you.
dan friesen
That doesn't happen in risk.
alex jones
India is not playing ball.
It's building up and industrializing.
You want a global monopoly.
jordan holmes
Does it happen in Monopoly?
alex jones
Countries off against each other.
You're a globalist.
You've made yourselves exempt the diplomatic immunity at the United Nations.
Who's set up?
jordan holmes
Isn't that diplomatic immunity?
dan friesen
What do you do?
alex jones
You just have Al-Qaeda come out of Egypt into Libya, ethically cleanse, blow up most of the infrastructure, knock out Gaddafi, and now they have to come to you and borrow money from your bank to rebuild, and you own and control everything.
And guess what?
If you wanted to get that welfare check, well, you got to take the vaccines, which, by the way, started.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
What does that have to do with this?
jordan holmes
Look, I get it.
dan friesen
He has things he wants to say.
And I think he had some vague idea that, like, I'm going to compare this to board games, but it is just completely detached now from any kind of connection.
jordan holmes
No, okay.
If I understand correctly, here's what it's like.
All right.
So you're playing chess, right?
And then I use my bishop to put your king into check, right?
That's when you hire the Polish to kill the black pieces, and that will give you a monopoly over Park Place.
dan friesen
And if you don't want to do it, I'll blow dart you with a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
I appreciate that the vaccine got in there.
I was going to be disappointed if we didn't realize that the vaccine is truly behind Monopoly's faults.
dan friesen
A little strange.
So I would say at this point, the special report is essentially totally off the rails.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, complete chaos.
dan friesen
And here we get just going further off the rails into strangely familiar territory.
alex jones
We think about nations and continents and cultures, but in truth, the globalists, the bankers who have unlimited money, they're waging war against anyone else that has any assets because they want everyone to be impoverished.
So you have to go to them and so that you have to follow all of their orders so they can control human development and society.
In the past, they would brag about their real political system in fictional accounts, in movies like Network.
Let's analyze a clip of that.
unidentified
There is no.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
unidentified
There is no democracy.
There is only IBN and ITT and AT ⁇ T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon.
One vast and ecumenical holding county for whom all men will work to serve a common profit in which all men will hold a share of stock.
alex jones
Oh, there are no more peoples.
There are no more nations, Mr. Beale.
Each one of us has one piece of stock in the global system.
One ecumenical giant global government.
Except one thing.
That big global corporate system they've been selling us on doesn't want us to even be alive.
It's designed to consolidate control and then slowly cut off the resources while the banksters themselves pose as the saviors, selling people on getting deeper into the tyranny and the pain will stop.
When at the end of the day, it's nothing but global extermination and eugenics so that these selfish, greedy scam artists can have the world and all of the incredible technology and life extension for themselves.
And that's the big secret here.
You have been warned.
I'm Alex Jones signing off for Wifowars.com.
The ball is in your court.
The rest is up to you.
Please get this presentation out to everyone you know.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
We've got to understand the enemy we're facing if we have any chance of defeating these people.
Humanity hangs in the balance.
dan friesen
Humanity hangs in the balance, ma'am.
jordan holmes
I understand so much less than I did before, and somehow I'm angrier because humanity hangs in the balance.
dan friesen
Humanity hangs in the balance, and the only way we're going to get people to save themselves is if they understand these board games.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know what the point was.
dan friesen
I don't either.
I think, I mean, obviously the point is like Alex's standard blah, blah, blah talking points stuff packaged in a way that's like I don't know, maybe interesting to a new viewer.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Hey, the world is like these board games or some shit.
But like even when he's getting there at the end, when he gets into the network thing, he then rambles about other things that are disconnected from the network.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
He's like, ah, the globalists give away their plans in movies like Network.
And then he plays a thing for Network.
And then he says something completely different.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, go back to the thing.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, if you want to use that as the globalists giving away their plan, you can't then be like, and actually what they meant is this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, you know, that's why use a source.
Now I'm getting even more annoyed at Network.
I was already annoyed.
I already hated it.
I'm already furious.
But they stole it.
They stole it and ruined it.
And that's what happened.
dan friesen
It's like the opposite of Boondock Saints.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They ruined it, and then I didn't care.
dan friesen
I got ruined.
jordan holmes
Yeah, goodbye.
dan friesen
Goodbye.
Whereas Network's actually a good movie, and it's been ruined by these ding-dongs.
jordan holmes
But you know, now that I think about it, now it's like, man, he was overreacting.
Citizens United wasn't going to come for another 40 years.
That dude didn't know shit about what corporations would really control.
So calm it down, Facebook douchebags.
dan friesen
I thought you meant Alex in 2012.
He didn't know that Citizens United was coming in 40 years.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Wait, that's in 2052?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No.
dan friesen
Shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I'm telling you.
I think he was overreacting.
Maybe a little drama queen.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I've ever heard Alex talk about Citizens United.
It's probably come up.
jordan holmes
I mean, considering it's probably the most important thing that, well, maybe, how about this?
If there was anything that proved that the world government is very similar to a board game, I think Citizens United made it a very lot like Monopoly.
dan friesen
So we have this special report.
Aaron Dykes did a great job.
I'm sure he added a lot of that background music and noises.
jordan holmes
Post-production effects.
dan friesen
Maybe provided the Lego chess set.
jordan holmes
That would be a special thing.
dan friesen
Maybe that's why it was a Lego chess set.
It's the only one Aaron had.
jordan holmes
Or, riddle it this way: maybe Aaron and Paul do the exact same amount of work, but that Lego chess set is Balls.
You know, he loves a Christmas chess set.
dan friesen
Bumped it up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But how did it get over here from England?
Merry Christmas.
So we're done with the special report.
I don't feel like we've had anything illuminated to us.
jordan holmes
I really disagree.
I know everything about board games.
dan friesen
Risk plus monopoly times chess.
jordan holmes
That's the vaccines.
dan friesen
Vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there you go.
dan friesen
Minus vaccines.
jordan holmes
Minus vaccines.
What's the order of operations?
dan friesen
Please excuse my dear aunt, Steve Pieczenik, because guess what?
Who's the next guest?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, you're joking.
dan friesen
We get a little visit.
jordan holmes
Of course, you had no choice.
dan friesen
Yeah, from the one and only, Steve Pieczenik.
alex jones
Dr. Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D., is going to be our guest.
He was the head of psychological operations at the State Department, advised the Pentagon.
He's been involved.
We'll just look up his name and take down some governments all over the world, you name it, but not with armies, with psychological warfare.
He's an expert in false flags.
He's exposed on this broadcast.
9-11 is a false flag.
And other events, he said that the shooting in Norway was not an inside job.
dan friesen
That's good.
alex jones
I don't know his take on the new shootings, and I wanted to get him on because he said, like, over a year ago, he said on this show, you all heard it, that he thought Petraeus would be in the running for vice president.
And I've always found Drudge and his sources.
Drudge doesn't go with something when Drudge writes an article maybe once every two weeks or something.
Or his sources there in D.C., some of which I've met with and know they don't go with something unless they've got it from the highest levels.
And their word is Obama was concerned that Petraeus may be picked as the VP, that that would be a strong VP pick to Roman Romney.
Petraeus just said that's not the case, but they always say that.
But Dr. Steve Pachinik showing his inside knowledge was saying that a year ago here.
dan friesen
So Steve doesn't talk about this much, but does say that's not going to happen.
And Petraeus is needed as a great general.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
There's not a lot of awareness of the ways in which Alex will hate General Petraeus in the not too distant future from this.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
They're really into him.
Steve loves him, thinks he's one of the greatest, crazy, greatest generals.
But yeah, he would be a great statesman, but he's not going to be the vice president.
So this is not an inaccurate, well, I guess it was an inaccurate prediction when Steve made it a year ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he is not on that tip here in 2012.
jordan holmes
Right.
That is interesting.
It's interesting to see the way these people change and how it can be like on the drop of a hat.
dan friesen
Well, Steve.
Steve fucking love Fauci and Alex loves Fauci because of Steve and then, oh, that fell apart.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's just like, oh, we'll just make it up today.
I hate this person or I love this person.
dan friesen
And I've always loved them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Wait, Twist.
jordan holmes
Always hated them.
I keep trying to think of like, okay, what was the thing?
You know, I've changed my beliefs on a lot of stuff over the years.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But not the reason behind them.
Like, the beliefs have changed because the reason was I was trying to be blank.
And so as I get more information, I realize that the way to be better blank is through this, right?
Not because I've been like, aha, I've decided that everything's completely different than it used to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, I never believed those things to begin with, and I didn't say them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Wild.
dan friesen
It is.
It is.
But shifting allegiances and all of this character stuff is such a big part of the way that you build these cosmologies of conspiracy.
So characters have to kind of always shift.
You have to retcon things in order to make whatever you're doing today work.
Because whatever you're doing today is the only thing that matters.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Character writing is very, very difficult.
dan friesen
It's not when there's no expectation of consistency.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So speaking of character, Steve Pieczenik has a character.
jordan holmes
And true.
dan friesen
Humble.
alex jones
So he's a super insider, and he's very humble, like most big insiders are.
But he has incredible courage to come on and say 9-11 is an inside job.
Now I'm going to try to get him back and shut up because I am obnoxious and let him start with wherever he wants to start the shooters.
Petraeus, coming up, here's a recap of the bin Laden fable.
Dr. Pachenek, great to have you with us.
steve pieczenik
It's always a pleasure, Alex.
dan friesen
Great to see you, Steve.
Been wild.
Not humble.
In the least.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This man has done everything.
jordan holmes
What hasn't he?
Is there a country that he has not affected their government in some way, right?
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
There's no way that he could.
You could not ask him like you could do the animiacy.
What has he done for Burunda?
Yeah, exactly.
He would have to come up with something.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He has to.
dan friesen
And he would have an elaborate story about how great he was.
I saved them.
Yes, he did.
Yeah, and in this episode, they're talking a bit about Al-Qaeda and stuff because Alex has that CFR article that he didn't read.
Right.
And Steve apparently was the one who was like, don't use Al-Qaeda to fight against the Russians.
jordan holmes
Of course, Steve said it.
dan friesen
Steve's indicated.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
If it weren't for everybody had listened to him, we wouldn't even have 9-11.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a lot of what is going on on this conversation that they're having has to do with Syria and Al-Qaeda in Syria.
Right.
And so Steve has a point on this, and that is that, yeah, you just kind of got to defend Assad.
steve pieczenik
So basically, our national security interests, from the point of view, what do we have vested in the Middle East?
At this point, honestly, the best thing we can do is to get out of there because it's not to our interest.
It's a war between the Shiites and the Sunnis.
The major interest at fear is an issue of Christianity.
I'm concerned, and I've said it repeatedly to the Coptic Christians in Egypt and the United States, that you are in danger of having Sharia.
You are in danger of being killed.
It's an original Christian sect.
And the same issue for me is in Syria, where Bashir-Assad is literally, and so are the Soviets.
The Russians are protecting the Christians.
They're in the millions.
So the issue of Christianity is becoming paramount, and no one is discussing it.
And I'm quite frankly tired of keeping on saying Christianity is a problem here.
And we do have an interest in maintaining the viability of the Christians in Syria and in Egypt.
We can do that by supporting Assad.
Unfortunately, we don't have a choice as to democracy or non-democracy.
And quite frankly, Russia, who I worked against, is also protecting the Christians.
From my point of view, the Christian viability is far more important to our national interest than any financial interest.
There are no bankers who are interested in this.
Let me just say, the Soviets, quite frankly, are owed $10 billion now by Syria, and Syria is not paying them for the armament.
So Russia is going into debt and being tied down in the Mediterranean, which, from a strategic point of view, I'm very happy.
But I'm also pleased that at least Putin is willing to protect the Christians.
dan friesen
So this is a bit of a propaganda line of the time.
Yeah.
You know, there's myriad examples of Assad oppressing the Christians in Syria.
jordan holmes
I don't even know where to begin.
dan friesen
And it's the sort of, you know, there's no other way I can really put it.
It's just the propaganda narrative that he has is that he's the one protecting the Christians against the extreme fundamentalist Muslim groups.
And that is why he should be supported by other countries.
jordan holmes
It's always weird to hear Steve go into that mode where he's so like real politic about it.
You know, like, I'm the grown-up in the room here.
I understand you don't want to eat your vegetables.
dan friesen
To be fair, he's talking to Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
He is the grown-up in the room.
jordan holmes
Obviously, obviously.
But there's still so much of like, all of what you just said is absolutely insane.
You know that, right?
You're a crazy person and you're acting like, oh, so this is all that.
Listen, I understand that it's difficult that we don't want to support this.
But at the end of the day, you're going to want to see a lot of those people gassed.
That's just the way we got to live our lives.
If you want to be safe, you, some asshole in Missouri, if you want to be safe, you got to let Syria gass people.
You got to support Assad.
dan friesen
I say this to the Coptic Christians in Egypt or the United States from Egypt.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're very, you're a very rational person, you lunatic.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing, though.
Here's what you have to take into account.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Steve knows Assad.
jordan holmes
And look at this.
dan friesen
It's not just like they went to a dinner party.
It's like, hello, I'm Pieczenik.
I'm Assad.
unidentified
Hello.
dan friesen
How do you do?
It's not that.
No, no, no.
Steve was arrested by Assad.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
And interrogated.
steve pieczenik
No.
unidentified
Personally?
steve pieczenik
I wasn't interrogated by Shira Assad for five, six hours.
But I saw the effectiveness he had in protecting minorities.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
I read that he had you arrested, didn't he?
steve pieczenik
That's correct.
Yeah, he did for six hours, and then he asked me how we could do business together.
But the point of fact is that even when you're arrested and you spend time and I was willing to go there on my own, and I knew what the consequences were, you know, this is not an issue of a government.
This is an issue of my personal choice.
I made the choice.
I knew what the consequences were.
Well, quite frankly, I had a very good relationship with the Assad regime, even after they knew who I was.
dan friesen
Okay, so if I'm to follow this, Steve took it upon himself in no official position to go over there, go over to Syria.
jordan holmes
Possible consequences.
dan friesen
And do what?
jordan holmes
And then he got arrested by Assad.
dan friesen
He didn't go and I've got to fix shit.
I'm going to go over there and run a PSYOP or some shit.
unidentified
And then Assad asked, what do we got to do to get business going?
dan friesen
After interrogating him for six hours.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hey, personally.
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Listen, one, you got to show Steve you mean business.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, and it's not because you think you're going to get Steve to change his mind.
It's because Steve won't respect you if you don't torture him first.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Steve doesn't respect people.
He didn't try to.
dan friesen
You can't send an underling to do it.
jordan holmes
You've got to do it.
Otherwise, fuck you.
We're not going to do business.
I don't do business with underlings and I don't do business with people who don't torture me just because I show up randomly in their country for no reason under no auspices or government office.
dan friesen
No.
You come in, you interrogate the guy for six hours, and then that guy sees that you protect minorities.
That guy sees it in you, the integrity, through your interrogation.
jordan holmes
I love Steve in a way because I can listen to a man lie this boldly this brashly from a distance and like in another room.
dan friesen
It's cartoon shit.
jordan holmes
If somebody tried to do this to my face, I think I might stab him.
I think I might stab Steve.
dan friesen
Only like a few months really away from him going to the DMZ and pretending he's going to like rendezvous with high-level contacts in the North and South Korean governments.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Steve.
Steve.
jordan holmes
Lunatic.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to talk to Steve about 9-11.
Sure.
Because.
jordan holmes
Right on time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's a good source for 9-11 stuff, except that he's not.
alex jones
Here's my next question.
I've never asked you this.
From your research, knowing how this stuff works, how did they pull off something that big?
I mean, I understand you don't know the full operation.
You just know they did.
steve pieczenik
I know the full operation because I taught it at the National Arts.
unidentified
Okay, Keith Justin, what did they do on 9-11?
steve pieczenik
What they did on 9-11, I don't want to go back into it, but basically they realigned everything that we had in FEMA.
They had everything in terms of the FAA.
We don't have to go into specifics.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not get into specifics.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
dan friesen
I literally know everything.
But why we go to specific back.
We're still talking about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, how did they do it?
Listen, I don't just know how they did it.
I taught them how to do it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, I didn't teach them personally.
I taught the people who taught them how to do it.
That's why they didn't even do it as good as I could have done it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how good I could have done it at it.
Frankly, I'll do a 9-11 on you right now.
I'll do it.
How do I do it?
dan friesen
Let's not get into specifics.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
Then I won't be able to 9-11 you.
dan friesen
Come on.
I know everything.
No, We're not going to do it.
jordan holmes
We'll have somebody else explain it for the silly people later.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, no, no, no.
We have to talk about this.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
We need to kill the myth of 9-11.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Steve is kind of trying to give him the like, let's not look backwards.
What's the point in all this?
He has no interest in having this conversation.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's 2012.
dan friesen
Right, right.
steve pieczenik
When I look at the Air Force, who is the majority of the Air Force?
This is not what we have right now.
What we have is exceedingly responsible generals.
alex jones
No, I understand, but people need to know historically.
steve pieczenik
No, people have to understand that if they want to go back and spend that time now, we're losing time to really understand where we're heading in much faster time, Alex.
That's what I'm trying to do.
alex jones
I know, but they used 9-11 to have the military-industrial complex start setting up a police state here.
We need to kill the myth of 9-11, not just to get us out of Iraq, but to get the TSA out of my pain.
steve pieczenik
If you want to kill the myth of 9-11, then bring Cheney and Bush Jr. before a trial and jury in a prize.
alex jones
Tom, here's the thing.
I want to take my kids.
I'll take my kids to Disney World without a fat pedophile abusing them.
steve pieczenik
Look, look, let me tell you.
Let's get it clear.
The feds have been doing their job, and they've been doing it very effectively.
What happened recently with the killer who has been accused of where we went into the Seats, and it was said that he was trained by the Army to be a killer.
It's nonsense.
The Army didn't train Mr. Page to be a killer.
The Army had him in.
He was in there.
He was a neo-Nazi.
The feds, the FBI in particular, have been exceedingly good at breaking up neo-Nazis.
unidentified
Exceedingly good.
steve pieczenik
However, thanks to 9-11 and Cheney in particular and Michael Hayden, General Hayden, who monitored everybody during 9-11, we had the FBI had to pull back.
Mueller's a very, very responsible general.
alex jones
Sure, what I'm saying is the TSA and the checkpoint.
We have to kill the myth of 9-11.
steve pieczenik
I have no problem with the TSA being disbanded and Homeland Security.
alex jones
No, I know, but here's the deal then.
Briefly, I mean, obviously, yes, Cheney took the power for NORAD to do shootdowns the month before.
So after 9-11, they had drills of the targets being hit.
So that's how, I mean, we know about the stand down, but basically, from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong, the hijackers were doing drills of infiltrating airports and getting on board for the Department of Defense and CIA.
They were set up.
Nerve gas was released on the aircraft because the people said there's smoke, we can't breathe.
Then remote control flew him out of the buildings.
steve pieczenik
Let's get back to the issue.
Do we need the TSA?
alex jones
No.
steve pieczenik
I've had problems with them.
They rip off the luggage.
You have the lowest level quality employees.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
steve pieczenik
They literally ripped off and stole a class three drug that I had, which was a sleeping pill.
You have the worst of the worst being brought in thanks to Cherdoff.
alex jones
What?
steve pieczenik
Neocons and Bush.
alex jones
Well, yeah, they robbed me.
They stole it.
steve pieczenik
Alex, I want your audience to address that issue.
Yeah, secondly, do we need that an issue for us?
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
No.
It is not an issue.
What?
Alex is so desperate to like, let's talk about 9-11.
I want to get my conspiracies out there.
They put nerve gas in the planes and then they remotely load them into a building.
Listen, Alex.
jordan holmes
Does it matter?
dan friesen
They stole my sleeping pills.
jordan holmes
You're wasting everybody's time.
I mean, listen, they stole a bottle of whiskey from me.
I'm fine with that.
Let's get rid of the TSA.
dan friesen
There is such a desperation on Alex's part to be like, come on, we got to do this.
You're here.
We got to do the 9-11 conspiracy things.
We got to lay this out.
Also, I think Alex probably doesn't stand behind any of these things anymore.
Nope.
He's forgotten a lot of his 9-11 conspiracy narratives.
They've been lost to the sands of time.
But Steve, not interested.
jordan holmes
It is so funny.
dan friesen
Is the problem with the TSA that they should have also that they have poor hiring processes and sometimes they steal things from banks?
I thought it was more to do with liberty.
unidentified
Well, I mean, let's not even do that.
jordan holmes
Let's not even bring in abstract concepts of freedom.
They don't do anything.
Good.
It's been studied over and over and over again.
They don't do the thing that they're supposed to do.
So that's that.
Why can't we just agree on like, hey, I don't care what your ideology is.
If we have a thing, it should do the thing that the thing is supposed to do.
And if it doesn't do that thing, then it doesn't get to be the thing.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Like, okay.
If you're the TSA and they're like, okay, here's what we do.
We keep knives from getting on planes, right?
And then every year they show me a shit ton of knives that got on planes.
dan friesen
But do you have to also assume that?
Then we have to be like, okay, well, then you have to also assume that there's a lot of knives that didn't get on planes.
jordan holmes
I don't have to assume that.
I don't have to assume that because I don't care.
The problem is not the knives that don't get on the planes.
The problem is the knives that do get on the planes.
I'm looking at the problem.
I'm not looking at not the problem.
dan friesen
This is a fine point, and I think that you and Steve will find common cause.
I think we've got a lot to talk about.
I need you to get on a plane, go to Syria.
jordan holmes
I'm going.
I'm going to get Assad finally.
dan friesen
See if you guys can do business.
jordan holmes
It's only going to be.
Listen, it's going to be me or Steve.
Those are the only two.
dan friesen
So, like I said, it's a little bit of a bust.
Not a great Steve appearance.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think the getting interrogated by Assad is probably the high point.
It's a high watermark.
Agreed.
And then also the, you know, the, I don't want to talk about your 9-11 conspiracies.
Yeah.
There is that freedom that Steve has, unlike anybody else in Alex's show, that I do enjoy.
I do enjoy the Alex as a mission.
I'm driving towards this.
And Steve's like, come on, stop it.
jordan holmes
Screw you.
dan friesen
Stop it.
unidentified
We're not interested in this.
jordan holmes
Not all time, but we did get the two things that we like out of Steve.
We got the big swing and we got the slap.
dan friesen
Yeah, but they weren't great examples of them, but they were there.
jordan holmes
They were there.
Yeah.
It was a bad episode of a show that you love.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Steve's gone, and Alex gets back to rambling, wants to talk about that CFR article that he hasn't read.
alex jones
Guys, will you print me the Council on Foreign Relations report that was in Watson's article yesterday so I can actually read those quotes or it's over in the other studio from last night where I read the quotes and the CFR going oh Is so brave and good and doing such a good job.
Listen, if Al-Qaeda's brave and good, I'm a monkey's uncle, and I want potbelly pedophiles to not put their hands on my genitals, okay?
I don't want checkpoints.
I don't want all this stupid paranoia.
Okay, and let me tell you, the military is gearing up for martial law in this country in a giant Iran attack.
Just that stuff.
jordan holmes
That's just always on the.
alex jones
And they stage 9-11, they can stage anything.
We're in a lot of trouble, and I'm tired of it.
dan friesen
So that counts as kind of a prediction, I guess.
They're gearing up for martial law and a big Iran attack, and that didn't materialize.
jordan holmes
Man, that is maybe like it's a sentence that he just tossed offhand, you know, like if they can stage 9-11, they can stage anything.
But if you stop and sit with that for a while, like, man, if you really believe that, stay home.
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
I think they do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, like, what is there to do?
That's terrifying.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah.
If that's your engagement with reality and the world around you, then.
Yeah, of course you probably would be primed to think that Sandy Hook could be fake.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Why wouldn't you?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They're crazy out there, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, he set his audience up to basically buy anything he sells them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, once you truly accept, like, oh, the absolute craziest thing that is possible is not just possible, it's the only truth, then anything else sounds crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And anybody who tries to tell you that, hey, maybe some of this is a little bit crazy.
jordan holmes
You're in on it.
dan friesen
They're crazy.
jordan holmes
You're a nutbag.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes more calls, and he gets a call from a guy who weirds him out.
alex jones
Kim of Minnesota, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding, brother.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah.
Alex?
alex jones
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, I had some comments.
I don't quite understand.
I've been a citizen for a Constitutional Republic since 1990.
And it just seems to me that if we take a dog license from the federal government, that we shouldn't be surprised how they treat us.
jordan holmes
Why do you sound out of breath?
unidentified
Are you familiar with the part of visitation?
alex jones
You're getting into a bunch of patriot legal stuff about what type of citizen you are versus being part of the whole corporate globalist fiction.
I know there's a lot of truth to that.
The problem is that globalists don't care.
dan friesen
So Alex has no idea what this caller is talking about, but he knows a sovereign citizen when he hears one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, your heckle's raised.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he just assumes this has to do with patriot legal ideas about what kind of citizen you are.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is careful not to let this guy talk, but also not fully shut him down.
He wants to be sure to leave room in there where he's kind of endorsing sovereign citizenship, like saying there's a bit of truth to it, because if he doesn't do that, he's going to lose a lot of his audience base.
jordan holmes
I want them to like me.
I don't like them, but it is what it is.
dan friesen
And also, I can't possibly say that all of these specific nonsense things they believe are true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, the power of visitation isn't about that stuff at all.
It has to do with what some have theorized is the root of the government's oversight and regulatory power over corporations.
In olden times, kings had the power of visitation over companies where they could dictate how they operated, and there was no need for courts or legal proceedings.
Sure.
The king had the visitory rights.
jordan holmes
When he'd show up and he'd be like, hey, you do this, and then you did that.
That's the opinion.
That's being a king.
dan friesen
Some on the right wing have proposed that this is where the government's regulatory authority derives from.
And they use that as a sort of argument against the idea of regulations as a whole.
Alex has no idea what the caller is bringing up, but he's not going to risk it.
Let him get to the point because he's going to end up in over his head and not be able to defend himself if the guy starts talking about how we all live in ocean law.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand correctly, then the idea is this.
Because governments believe they are able to tell corporations what to do because they used to be based around kingdoms and complete authoritarian power, that means that laws aren't real.
dan friesen
Yeah, or that the government doesn't have any of those regulatory authorities.
jordan holmes
Okay, but I mean, the kings don't have any of those regulatory authorities either.
They're all pretend.
No, no, no, no.
They're all pretend.
Like, the king's just a dude.
dan friesen
Right, but this is an angle to make an attack on the credibility of this.
Like, we don't have kings anymore, so why should we still have this?
You know?
jordan holmes
Man, good argument.
I'm going to go.
dan friesen
solid but also yeah it's the anyway um alex promotes a new product that he has okay um And it's a product that has a lot of potential.
It's InfoWars magazine.
jordan holmes
Like, they could just have shot the king in the face.
Like, the king shows up at their factory and they go, oh, fuck you.
I don't care.
You're just a guy.
Like, it's all pretend.
It's all in our heads.
It's just a guy.
dan friesen
They couldn't have done that.
jordan holmes
Yes, they could have.
There would have been consequences, but it's just a guy.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
But again, it's just a guy.
You can kill him, and then they'll be like, oh, no, we don't have a king anymore.
And then they'll just get their own.
dan friesen
They'll just swiftly get another king.
jordan holmes
They'll do their own thing, you know.
But again, it's just a guy.
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what this, like, I'm just so mad.
I get that.
I get that part.
How does this implicate regulation?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm confused about.
dan friesen
You know, but I mean, from your perspective.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything.
dan friesen
Before you can commit regicide.
Does that mean we should or shouldn't have regulations?
jordan holmes
I'm just worried that I don't know what even is the starting point for reality anymore.
dan friesen
Okay.
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
Where does it begin?
Is everybody a guy or what?
dan friesen
Hear me out.
Chess.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Just think about chess.
jordan holmes
Okay, now they're, oh, I'm screwed.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex says InfoWars magazine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But everyone who's part of the InfoWars Insider, on or before September 1st, you will get the first issue of InfoWars magazine.
I think it's going to be around 60-plus pages long.
It is just going to be full of exclusive articles, but also boil downs of our top stories of the month.
And the graphics, the work in it.
It looks world-class.
It's going to blow people away.
I'm going to put – I've now upgraded it from $50,000 to $70,000.
I'm putting 50,000 on the streets of Austin.
And I'm going to have 20,000 here for people to buy in bulk in groups of 100.
Then it comes out to like, how much is 100?
What do we come up to?
50 bucks for 100 of these to hand them out.
I mean, what a weapon.
What a weapon.
What a weapon.
And, well, we'll have some smaller lots available as well.
Or we're also going to have a subscription to where you can sign up and have it mailed to you every month, but like five copies of it.
So you can have one for yourself and give for others.
Because as print dies, print will actually come back.
I mean, I know this.
I'm calling it print 2.0.
But it doesn't matter.
Print's dying, not just because of the internet, but because of the perfect storm of the bad information they've got, the disinfo.
People are sick of it.
This is going to be hard-hitting.
Wait till you see the cover of the first magazine.
dan friesen
Alex's InfoWars magazine is going to save print because it's so hard-hitting, and people are tired of the bullshit.
There's no bullshit in there.
No bullshit.
Just the good, hard-hitting, true, factual information.
It did not save print media.
jordan holmes
I mean, Print's doing great.
dan friesen
Well, he was neither helped nor harmed by InfoWars magazine.
And it's something around 20-issue run.
Do not last very long.
Wow.
Alex took a bath on that.
He lost a lot of money.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine that in 2012, the answer wasn't vanity printing.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the person who was involved with the, I believe, like some of the graphic design and stuff on it was determined by the InfoWars audience to be a CIA plant.
It caused a bunch more drama and shit that Alex would have ever wanted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
So, yeah, it was a big mistake on that.
Huge mistake.
But I do have a number of the issues.
And one's on the wall somewhere, the one with the dinosaurs.
It's right behind you, I think.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There it is.
dan friesen
It'll be a terrible, terrible magazine.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and Alex is promoting something else.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Get a little heavy into the ads towards the end.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
And I will do this for everybody watching on TV.
I'm doing so much.
If you're a PrisonPlanet.tv viewer, I've got my well-stirred Beyond Tangy Tangerine.
And then I add this, which has a little bit of green tea extract in it.
Okay, coffee won't do it sometimes for me.
This does.
You just dump that in.
And I don't know.
I don't know what you call it when you mix the two of these.
We need to make a name for these.
I learned this from pharmacist Ben Fuchs.
This is his favorite drink, is a polymer mix with a Beyond Tangy Tangerine.
And I've got my essential fatty acids.
What happened is I lost 42 pounds doing this for a few months.
And I've never been a guy that drinks stuff and takes stuff and takes pills.
So I got off of it a little bit and kind of didn't lose any more weight.
Now, for about a week and a half, I've gone back on it full time and I'm not hungry anymore.
And I've lost seven pounds in just about the last week and a half.
You can probably see that on television right now.
And I fully committed to the office and my wife to make me take my longevity from InfallWarsTeam.com.
And you will see me lose all the weight like Aaron did, 92 pounds.
Get ready.
I'm doing it.
dan friesen
Yep.
So another wonderful time of taking his products on air.
It's going to burn that fat right off of him.
steve pieczenik
Man.
dan friesen
Also, he's talking about a mix.
You know, you've got to come up with a name for something like that.
You know, it's kind of like an Arnold Palmer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I figured maybe like the fuzzy Zeller.
I was trying to think of some racist golfer or a golfer.
Is that a racism controversy?
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So that was the best I could do for accommodation.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Oh, man.
unidentified
I just, just, can't we just make meth legal?
jordan holmes
If this is what people really want, you know, then just do meth.
dan friesen
Well, I think there are some ripple effects that you're going to see from that that may be unpleasant.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, lawsuits would go up considerably based on companies selling meth.
jordan holmes
Possible.
Possible.
Let me throw this out at you.
Does Alex need to be on InfoWars if he has a successful meth operation?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, look, I don't know.
I don't know a lot of stuff about meth operations.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
But I did watch this documentary.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's about this teacher.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it didn't go well for him.
jordan holmes
Did it go bad?
dan friesen
It broke in a certain direction.
And I don't know.
I don't feel like meth operations are the most stable of enterprises.
jordan holmes
See, now that I have noticed in the past, sure.
They're often appearing and then disappearing in an instant.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Many times, literally.
dan friesen
I don't know if there's any Walmarts of meth.
I don't know if there's any legacy businesses that have really stood the test of time.
So for Alex, I think it would be an imprudent investment to put too much into a meth empire.
jordan holmes
There's Whenever I went home, there's a dispensary now on the main street of my hometown, which is like all of the crimes, you know, like so much.
And now it's just on Main Street, you know, like that's nuts.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But then to think the idea that there would be like a place next to it that's like, also, we do meth, you know, that might be too far even for me.
I'm permissive as fuck, man, but no meth.
No meth on Main Street.
I don't know.
That's my fucking campaign proposal.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
You can do meth wherever you want, but you can't have it on Main Street.
dan friesen
Someone who pretends to be permissive doesn't want a meth shop.
Wow.
Never thought I'd see the day that this kind of a hypocrisy was.
jordan holmes
It's just pathetic.
I know.
unidentified
I'm disappointed in myself.
dan friesen
Well, I think, honestly, this episode is a little strange because obviously you had the Steve Pieczenik of it all, which was the lure that drew me in.
unidentified
I'll be.
dan friesen
And a little bit of a, not, not, not his finest outing, a little bit milquetoast in terms of a Steve.
And then the other thing that's really fantastic is the board game thing.
And it turns out we've covered it already.
Amazing.
jordan holmes
So I don't know.
I mean, give it another 700 episodes.
Let's cover it again and see what we got.
dan friesen
Let's see.
unidentified
I think third time we'll really finally get a hold of it.
dan friesen
It may be time to revisit the secret of 2017.
See if we've seen that on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, could be.
dan friesen
So anyway, Dr. Harry, we wish you all the best as you pivot into a sales pitch towards Divine.
jordan holmes
You do what you do when you do it.
Have fun.
dan friesen
Hey, all right.
And everybody, have a great time at the party.
jordan holmes
Please do.
Enjoy it.
Celebrate.
dan friesen
Celebrate.
Don't know the rest of the lyrics.
unidentified
No, you don't.
dan friesen
Don't need to.
jordan holmes
That's the only one that matters is the one that you remember.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So we come to the end of this, and we'll be back for another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's nalatrite.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back on social media at some point.
We'll figure it out.
But until then, we have a boob boop with Neo.
Whoa.
It's the headphones.
jordan holmes
It's the headphones.
They've thrown you off.
Yeah, I got to take those back with me.
dan friesen
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I was stalling to try and see if I could come up with another song to launch into, and it just didn't happen.
jordan holmes
It didn't happen.
alex jones
And now here comes the sex robots.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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