Knowledge Fight dissects Jimmy Dore’s 2016 interview with Alex Jones, where Jones weaponized Dore’s spitting incident as propaganda while exploiting his platform to push false flag claims like Sandy Hook and globalist conspiracies. Jones falsely ties deplatforming to a fabricated NATO/CIA plot, misrepresents WEF’s "Brain Transparency" as a UN treaty threat, and pivots from absurd Zuckerberg telepathy theories to Musk’s AI. Dore’s lack of pushback—despite his past hostility toward Jones—undermines his credibility, revealing a pattern of uncritical amplification that fuels Infowars’ audience growth while abandoning substantive critique. [Automatically generated summary]
I initially knew of him from his appearances on the podcast Never Not Funny, where he was one of the hosts, Jimmy Pardo's oldest friends in comedy.
That show started in 2006, and Doer was one of the very few guests that were on the first season, along with folks like Scott Ockerman and Paul F. Tompkins, as well as Pardo's other more niche comedy friends like Pat Francis and director Pete Schwaba.
So Jimmy Dore was fine, and there was a fun tension when he was on the show because prior to Pardo marrying his wife Danielle Koenig, she had dated Jimmy Dore.
He was a fine guest and I was a big fan of the show.
So at that time, pretty much anyone who was on became someone I thought was cool just by default.
The third host of that show was Jimmy's wife, Steph Zamorano, who was there.
Eventually, Todd Glass left the show, and I can't say that I checked in on it much more past and kind of like, all right, this is there.
So Jimmy, he was always a comedian who mixed in some politics.
As you can see in his hour special from 2008, Citizen Jimmy.
Even back then, I didn't think the special was very good, and it fell really short of the politically-minded comedy of someone like David Cross.
But I have to be clear that at that point, there was a political theme that was being delivered through the medium of humor.
The humor was still the skeleton upon which the messaging was built, which made it perfectly palatable, even though it wasn't good or necessarily even that challenging.
I don't know exactly what it was, but I do know that it had to do with a shift from him creating things that were meant to be humor that had political themes to creating things that were political content that also tried to be funny.
As part of this, he started a show on the Young Turks Network, which is like the incubator for people who want to eventually swing hard to the right wing.
That's not entirely fair.
There are a lot of great folks who work there and have worked there, but Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin getting launched there is a tough thing to ignore.
So after parting ways with the Young Turks, Doerr hosted his own YouTube show where he's been a real angry idiot, insisting he has left-wing positions while constantly drifting to the right and getting drawn in by very clear bad actors in the right-wing media ecosystem, befriending the Boogaloo boys.
There's a lot of alienation from would-be-type compatriots.
Sure, sure, sure.
Because of the insistence on not voting for the lesser of two evils type thing.
And I think that that was an avenue, that election, especially because of Hillary and her unpopularness with a lot of folks who have left-wing positions.
Sure.
I think it became a fertile ground for him to start bashing Democrats real hard.
And granted, a lot of them did abuse their gatekeeper status, but at the same time, it kept the idea of becoming famous kind of outside of the realm of like a rational perspective you could have.
Yeah, that is such an interesting like reverse Johnny Carson kind of scenario where it's like if you make it on Carson, you're going to be huge the next day.
So anyway, I may have some things to say about his trajectory and shit, but ultimately, my feeling around Jimmy is that he's a person without a real center.
He has anger and some demonstrably true points like the system is corrupt.
And because there isn't a real core to what he's about, those things combine into terrible mixtures.
If you're an untethered boat, your anger about a corrupt system could easily lead you to make alliances with monsters just because they have the same surface level complaint that you do that the system is corrupt.
And I think that's how we end up here with him interviewing Alex fucking Jones.
So one of the big things of Jimmy's career, one of the big moments of his political career, was back in 2016 when he went to the Republican National Convention with the Young Turks.
At some point, he crossed paths with Alex and Roger Stone, and Jimmy took the opportunity to spit in Alex's face.
Alex was smoking some weed with Willie, and that's where so this is where the recording of the stream begins.
So I'm not sure what the context of what they were talking about was, but I presume that it was about how they both like to drink.
Yeah, so I've heard.
Anyway, what Alex has done here is great.
He's completely illustrated dominance over Jimmy.
Jimmy's spit in Alex's face, and Alex is laughing and joking about it.
Honestly, because, like I said, it was a big win for Alex's propaganda.
But not only is Alex laughing about this, he's introduced an uncomfortable idea that if you think about this for even a second, is hanging over this entire interview.
Should be.
About seven years ago, Jimmy hated Alex so much, but when he saw him, he immediately spit in his face.
And now Jimmy is psyched to have him on the show.
So what happened?
In order for Jimmy to rationalize doing this interview, he has to basically say that he was wrong about Alex and concede a whole lot of credibility in the process.
The act of inviting Alex in for this interview kind of requires an embarrassing level of submission from Doerr.
By acknowledging that this happened and how he's happy to interview Alex, he has no leg to stand on in case they disagree with anything that ends up coming up.
It is very, that's, I think that's also another part of it that is so confusing to me is that idea of like you are performing an action and that it is almost like creating a fictional scenario for both of you.
You know, he's performing that action, no longer existing in the space of I'm a human and you're a human, and instead existing in a space of like, how are people going to see this?
And it was on the set of the where the young Turks were broadcasting from the RNC.
So there's an awareness that there's cameras all over the place.
So there is a performance aspect to it.
But I also, I'm not necessarily convinced that it's not just like Jimmy's that fucking stupid and kind of an angry person.
So I think that I can't really suss out whether it's just kind of a total unawareness of the community and the type of people that he's interacting with, or if it's some kind of calculated move that we're like, we're both putting on a performance of a fight.
You yelled in the courtroom or outside the courtroom when Alex was doing his interview, but that was kind of trying to disrupt in some way, and you stopped.
But I mean, that's kind of like the thing that I'm thinking about is to me, there's such a very strict and simple line between violence and not violence, right?
But in reality, all this turns into is fairly similar territory that Alex has said on all the other interviews that he does because he's not doing an interview.
And so, no, I think you're one of the best political brains out there, and you're fair.
You're exposing the whole political system is rotten, controlled by big corporations like BlackRock, who are now starting World War III, and you've really, the whole time, stood up for my free speech.
And I appreciate that.
You got it a little wrong what happened with the whole school shooting thing and what I really said and what I didn't say.
I don't want to even say the name of it, but if that comes up, I can tell you what really happened there.
So, first of all, Alex absolutely doesn't watch Jimmy's show.
He has very good instincts about this stuff, though, and he knows that Jimmy's never going to push back on this because it would require doing something that works against his ego.
Alex is using some of the old tricks that Steve Pieczenik taught him, where you overwhelm an idiot with flattery and then they're yours.
But now Alex has buttered Jimmy up, flattered him excessively, and now he's going to use it to lie about Sandy Hook.
Jimmy now finds himself in territory he should have known he'd end up in.
Alex is going to straight up lie to his audience about his actions in the legal case, and Jimmy is essentially powerless to do anything.
Alex has already asserted his dominance with the spitting talk, which clearly illustrates that Jimmy has to have been way wrong about Alex in the past, which in turn gives credence to the idea that Jimmy's also wrong about what Alex did in terms of Sandy Hook.
Further, Alex has set him up into a box where pushing back on Alex's shit threatens to take away the praise that's being shoveled onto him.
Alex said Jimmy was the best political brain out there, and Alex is the talk of the town now that he's back on Twitter.
Jimmy doesn't want to risk losing feeling that approval by doing his job and pushing back on this stuff.
Essentially, within a minute or two of the interview starting, Jimmy is fucked.
Alex is going to steamroll this and use Jimmy's platform to siphon off audience members.
And Jimmy's essentially running an info merchant for Infowars at this point, whether he knows it or not.
Thinking that the antidote to bad speech is more speech is very stupid.
The reality is that whether Jimmy understands it consciously or not, on some level, he knows that he's playing the same game as Alex, and he's afraid that he's going to be kicked off stuff.
He's not making a principled stance as much as he is making a stance based on self-preservation.
Jimmy has bought the bullshit line that Alex's bans were the result of him covering fake news.
And Jimmy kind of knows that he does that too, which is why he's worried and has a personal stake and investment in defending Alex from free speech.
More importantly, Jimmy covers a story about a newspaper getting a strike on Facebook because they posted the Declaration of Independence, which is apparently hate speech.
This is an InfoWar-style narrative.
And you can easily see Alex covering this as proof that the globalists are trying to destroy the country.
Paragraph 29, which was included in the flagged post, is part of that grievance list and says, quote, he has excited domestic insurrections among us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions.
Facebook was clear that this post was flagged by an automated response and that it was an accident, and then the post was restored.
The newspaper got a nice apology from Facebook, and everything was fine.
It's obvious why this could get flagged out of context, and it's a non-issue, or at least it is for everyone except people who operate like Alex and Jimmy fucking Doer.
It would be fair enough to ask how these automated actions pick up what they do and question the possible inconsistencies and moderation practices, but that's not what Jimmy's doing.
He's playing the exact same games that Alex does with blurring details of stories so he can use them for his narrative purposes.
They're very similar, but Alex is just better at the game.
Yeah, that is something that can never be stated enough because it will never be stated regularly, which is that like for all this talk about what the founding fathers, blah, It's important to remember that in the Declaration of Independence was a promise of genocide towards Native Americans.
I remembered, so I didn't even know you were going to play that clip.
I didn't know out of the gauge.
That's the first thing I brought up was, I appreciate that you were one of the few people up front that saw what was happening.
They were exaggerating what I said out of context, demonizing me, so that everybody else would accept me being taken off air.
So they then had the prototype to get everybody else taken off air.
And it later came out in government documents and the Wall Street Journal that indeed they chose me as a colorful, flamboyant person to get the public to accept that as basically training wheels to get everybody on board.
And you get Colin Powell up there with the anthrax and all of that garbage they knew wasn't true.
And so they've killed millions of people.
But then I am set up in civilization and society as the worst person who's ever existed because I agree with a couple callers calling in once saying, yeah, probably is fake.
And they literally cobble that together, have a PR firm.
I wasn't deplatformed for that.
They needed something afterwards because it made me a martyr, what you predicted.
So they dredged up this earlier stuff, exaggerated it times 100, then defaulted me in court cases when I gave them all the stuff.
There was no case.
The judges found me guilty and then told juries that I was worth $400 million when I was actually broken upside down last year.
And now it's finally come out in court and my bankruptcy that I was upside down when the judge says, you're not broke, you're a liar, and your lawyers can't put on any evidence.
So you can really tell that Alex wants to talk about the Sandy Hook thing.
He's interjecting his talking points about it in a way that's very forced.
And that's because that's his main goal.
He wants to go on shows like this to gather new audience members.
And one of the biggest hurdles that he has working against him is that people associate him with his actions about Sandy Hook.
His primary mission is to force his version of reality into these spaces to combat the reality of what he did.
I guess this is the more speech thing that Jimmy is so fond of.
Also, let's not lose sight of what's happened so far in this interview.
They ruminated for a while about how Jimmy spit on Alex, and then Jimmy launched into a needy ass presentation about how Alex didn't name check him on Tucker when they were talking about people defending Alex when he got deplatformed.
If I'm listening to this or watching this, I'm seeing Jimmy as a very weak person.
He's coming off very desperate, sucking up to Alex, pretending spitting on him was all in good fun, and letting Alex ramble on about whatever he wants.
He doesn't come off as much of a host.
Jimmy is also learning in real time why interviewing Alex is a stupid idea.
The whole thing was a two-minute barrage of lies that he's not equipped to deal with.
So he's just going to let this stand.
The entire characterization of the Sandy Hook case is a fraud, and Alex can't produce these government documents that are about choosing him to set the precedent for kicking people off air.
This is what happens when you interview Alex unprepared.
You'll let him lie to your audience, and then you'll sit there powerless to even really respond to the thousand tidbits of bullshit that he's throwing at you.
So that is kind of the problem here for me is like, unless there is a concerted effort to overtake Alex, Alex will control the narrative of Sandy Hook.
But the amount of people who are not necessarily InfoWars people who buy into the bullshit that he like predicted 9-11 perfectly, like that should give people pause about how easy it is for incredulous people to take in bullshit, the narratives that Alex spins.
So it is from that that I wanted to be clear, because I think it can come off like ego for the two of us to be like, oh, you shouldn't cover Alex Jones.
But it should be very, very clear at this point that you shouldn't cover Alex Jones.
I was thinking about it while I was listening to this, too.
I was thinking about what I would do if I did interview Alex.
And granted, that'll never happen.
But if I did, the only thing I would do is I'd be like, all right, look, I think you're a piece of shit, and we're not going to agree or disagree on anything.
Yeah.
Because we have fundamentally different worldviews.
All I want to do is nail down the stuff about what you think your place in Christian history is.
Like, let's talk about the fact that you're a prophet.
Let's talk about the fact that God chose you to fight the devil.
When I was able to co-host a show for two and a half hours a couple weeks ago with Elon Musk on Spaces, just the main show had 20 million views, over 100 million views, the clips, biggest spaces that Elon's ever done.
He was told by Tucker privately and others, hey, Alex was not any platform for Sandy Hook.
He thought that.
And he said on the air, he goes, no, I went to the log and I noticed it was for confronting Oliver Darcy, who had been taking my sponsors and getting me kicked off things and bragging about it.
So I saw him in D.C. going in a committee hearing that they were talking about me at later.
And I confronted him and said, man, you're an anti-American person.
Well, they called that bullying, and that was the final strike that took me off of Twitter at the time.
And so then it only made me bigger for a while.
And so they now bragged about it once they won these court cases by rigging them.
A PR firm put out press releases when they won the Connecticut case, the second one, in November of last year, 2022.
That'd be two years ago or two years back.
And I didn't know what happened until later.
So, yeah, Sandy Hook happens.
It's real.
I think it happened.
It's a terrible tragedy.
School shootings are real.
A bunch of academics and people start looking at anomalies.
It becomes this huge internet thing, hundreds of millions of views on YouTube.
Other people covering it.
The professors in Florida and Wisconsin and a school safety guide, a bunch of people.
And it turned out some of the things they said were true, some weren't.
Turns out a couple of them are probably schizophrenic.
And I simply covered it on a few shows, had callers call in.
What they put in evidence was 22 minutes over six years.
It was six years after, seven years after they sued me.
I hadn't talked about it when they sued me for over two years, barely ever talked about it, but they cherry-picked it.
The PR firm put the clips out, ran it right as I was being deployed, right after I was deplatformed 2018.
Suddenly, it's like they were invading a country.
The propaganda was in sometimes every newspaper, almost every day, Nightline, or that's already gone.
PBS, CNN, every show.
Ted Coppel did chime in on other shows, but it wasn't Nightline.
Dan Rather, all of them come out against me.
I mean, Old Guard, they had 60-minute shows about it.
They had NBC dateline shows about it.
And they said he's currently going to their houses.
He's currently sending people to their houses.
He's currently urinating on graves.
None of that ever was put in court.
No one ever did any of that, anyways.
And so then they sue me for years to get all these depositions.
Do we give them all the discovery?
There's nothing there.
And they go, you didn't give us everything.
You're defaulted.
So now we're going to have a trial on damages, but you're already guilty.
And then the judges in both places wouldn't let us.
They had my phone because we gave them the phones.
When they go, oh, we hacked.
He actually gave us his phone.
No, no, no.
We'd given them all my phones.
The real reason the lawyers got sanctioned is with the phones, they accidentally just gave them all raw and they gave them some of the Sandy Hook medical records from those depositions.
So the lawyers did mess up, but they already had the phones.
Alex is doing 100% the right thing because Alex is the wrong thing, but it's the right thing for him.
I mean, for him, Alex is a Alex is a terrible person who's a piece of shit, who has done horrible things and who the literal country has sanctioned for it.
But because of the way that human beings work, as long as he pushes this story, his legacy will be intact.
So now, as somebody who was involved in the Texas case, I can say with a high level of certainty that much of the stuff Alex is saying is false.
He had not cooperated with Discovery, and the phone was literal proof of it.
He very well may have given the phone to his lawyer, but they withheld it from Discovery, which is the problem.
The reason the phone and the text were so important was because he was supposed to turn over every text and email that had specific search terms, like the plaintiffs' names and Sandy Hook.
Alex and his lawyers insisted they had turned over everything, but then Alex's lawyer accidentally sent plaintiff's lawyer Mark Bankston copies of all of Alex's messages, along with confidential medical information about the Sandy Hook plaintiffs.
In those text messages, there were undisclosed messages that include the specified terms, which was proof positive that there were messages that were relevant to the case that had been intentionally withheld from the plaintiffs.
This was long past the point where Alex was defaulted, and this was in the damages trial, but it was a really damning blow in terms of Alex trying to pretend that he'd cooperated with the process.
Legitimately, the only argument he could make is that his lawyers engaged in malpractice and went against his wishes by not cooperating with Discovery.
Like, he turned everything over, but then the lawyers he was paying decided not to turn over damning stuff.
And then his lawyers also made him send incompetent unprepared InfoWars employees to testify in depositions as corporate representatives.
He's not making that accusation, and there's a pretty obvious reason why.
So he also claims that he hadn't talked about Sandy Hook for two years when they sued him, but that's just absolutely false.
He and Owen Schroer did coverage saying that Neil Hesslin was lying on Megan Kelly's show when he said that he'd held his son's dead body, and that wasn't two years before he got sued.
So I'm like, yeah, my lawyers messed up and did that.
I had nothing to hide.
I'm like, here's my three phones in the last seven years.
I kept them.
Take all the things off.
And the best they got was my wife taking a dick pic of me that I didn't read.
I'm like, I never took a dick pic.
And I'm like, look at the, I go, oh my God, my wife goes, remember that time you were asleep?
I took a picture.
And so they have a picture of my ding-dong.
So that's the type of weirdness that goes on.
Then the PR firms, after they won, came out and said, and they got bought by the biggest PR firm in the country right after that, that they were already big out of New York.
So I don't know if that's the worst thing on the phone.
Probably the worst thing was Millie Weaver texting Alex on March 1st, 2020 and saying, quote, I went and hung out with the Groypers at a bar last night to find out some info about them.
An intoxicated leader in their group, close to Nick, Fuentes, told me, yes, Fuentes is anti-Semitic and most of them are.
Alex replied, quote, it's a trap for sure.
Two days later, Millie texted or Alex texted Millie an article from Paul Joseph Watson's site attacking Sebastian Gorka as the leader of conservative Inc.
And he said, please tweet this out.
At the time, Nick Fuentes was in a heated feud with Gorka, and this was clearly an attempt to bolster Nick's side.
And Millie saw through that.
She told Alex, quote, I'm not promoting Nick Fuentes' attack conservative ink talking points.
Alex replied, quote, I get playing nice, but Gorka is bad news.
Millie then said, quote, Gorka is a stick-up ass, but that's beside the point.
Fuentes created his army of Groypers, Goyam Gripers, to destroy what he calls conservative ink.
He's creating terms.
I'm not falling into the trap of using his terms.
It only benefits the Democrats to get conservatives in fighting.
Groypers also hate Israel and use Trump's support for Israel to drive people away from Trump.
And yes, Nick is an anti-Semite.
Anyway, the point is that Alex clearly knew what Nick was all about before cozying up to him and giving him a giant platform.
I'd be more worried about that than a dick pic.
Now, here we see someone ask Alex again for the name of the PR firm.
And what do you know?
He still doesn't remember it.
These people have supposedly hijacked five years of his life and dragged him through costly and humiliating court cases, but he has no idea who they are.
Sounds believable.
So Kurt Metzger asks him if it's the same people who tried to attack Rogan with that stuff about him being racist.
Firstly, this is funny because Alex is taking credit for spreading around the video of Rogan saying racist shit, like how a theater full of black people was like the planet of the apes.
Back when Rogan wasn't going to let Alex back on the show, Alex declared a holy war on him, and Alex started airing these clips on Infowars around that time.
One of the founders of Midas Touch said in an interview with Barstool Sports that they got the clips that they posted from Alex airing them.
But Metzger has given Alex a name that he hopes is the right one.
So Alex does the most coward shit possible and says, you're hot.
The non-committal answer worked perfectly here because Metzger will hear that as a yes, which gets Alex off the hook with, you know, because he doesn't have a name.
On the flip side, because he's not technically saying yes, he doesn't have to worry about getting sued for very clear defamation.
Also, it wasn't Midas Touch that Alex is talking about since they didn't exist until 2020.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
But here's this super funny dynamic where Metzger is mad at something that Midas Touch did, but Alex actually did.
And Alex should be mad at Metzger because he wrote for Borat.
It's like, these people should be so bad at each other, but they're advantageous to each other, so they just ignore that shit.
The top Democrat law firms in the country ran this.
Law firms, PR firms, but it was the Justice Department.
Listen to this, in my bankruptcy, and they were done up and sent an email.
This is a year ago.
The Justice Department sent an email to my famous bankruptcy lawyer here, well-known, super respected, done some of the biggest bankruptcies in the country for like chemical giants.
The Department of Justice didn't intervene in his bankruptcy the way he's saying, and no one sued his dad.
Alex is claiming that they sued his dad because his dad is one of the owners of PQPR, one of the shell companies that's used by Infowars to sell supplements.
He was likely interviewed about this, and Alex is blowing it all out of proportion because he can tell these idiots are buying his story.
And same is true of his mom.
I don't remember if it's PQPR or PJR Trust or whatever, one of those other ones.
His mom is like a most owner of one of those two.
But after all of that, after all of that, that whole entire woe is me rant, Jimmy still needs to come in and stress that he defended Alex to the young Turks.
It is fun because we've seen a bunch of different examples of conflict with Alex in this one kind of episode here, right?
So we've got the initial conflict.
We got the spitting and how that was stupid, right?
Then we've got the next conflict, which is man versus how much man can lick another man's butthole.
I believe that's a classic, you know, man versus nature and so on.
Then you've got your conflict with Alex where you'd be like, here, if we're going to talk, the conflict that makes sense is just focusing on this thing, right?
And it really feels like there's no conflict with Alex that makes sense.
It went from you, and then it immediately went to journalists, and then it went to leading journalists.
Then it went to the leading doctors and scientists in their fields.
And then it went to the former president of the United States.
They banned everybody.
So it wasn't just Alex Jones.
They banned anybody and everybody, including anybody who had any counter narrative to the establishment narrative around war, around COVID, around lockdowns, around January 6th, around anything.
Anybody who had anything to say that the CIA, the FBI, and the establishment didn't want them to say, they banned, they censored, and they discredited.
So you might notice that the list of things that Jimmy thinks people get banned from social media for having counter narratives to the establishment, it's mostly really understandable stuff.
And you can kind of see why platforms wouldn't want people spreading misinformation about them on their sites.
When Jimmy says about war, he's not talking about something like the Iraq war.
He's talking about people supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Misinformation about COVID led to an uncalculable number of unnecessary infections and deaths.
January 6th was people storming the Capitol and trying to overthrow the government.
So it makes sense that a site wouldn't want people celebrating that or lying about it on the platform.
But here's the thing: you could do all that stuff and not get banned.
There may be some cases of individuals who've gotten the boot from one side or the other because of their actions, but swing through social media.
You'll find plenty of support for Russia's war effort, plenty of COVID denialism, and plenty of people saying January 6th was good.
When your actions around these topics might jeopardize the site's ability to sell ads, then you might get in trouble.
But that's less about censoring your dangerous opinions and more about money being more important than principles, which shouldn't be a foreign territory for Jimmy.
Also, what Kurt Metzger is talking about is his pretty unhinged series of posts on Facebook defending a guy named Aaron Glazer, who had been accused of sexual assault and rape by a number of women, which led to him being banned from performing at the UCB theater.
It wasn't that he was arrested or locked up without any investigation or evidence.
It was that a theater chose not to associate with him over the allegations.
That really pissed Metzger off.
So he posted a bunch of dumb shit online about it to the point where his boss, Amy Schumer, had to come out and denounce his actions.
She made some comments about the situation when she was interviewed by Charlie Rose, which is why Metzger is projecting his anger onto Rose instead of Schumer, who presumably could still aid his career in some way.
So do you think the reason why they went after you so hard and had to take you down?
They had to do all this nefarious stuff, twist your words to take you down, was so that they could set a precedent, so they knew what was coming, so they knew that they were going to want to censor anybody and everybody.
And so they had to have somebody to start with, and that's what that was.
I actually know this, and I always forget the name of the article because I don't usually subscribe to stuff, but I had to get behind a paywall to find it.
About six months before I got deplatformed in August of 2018, when Tim Cook literally held a powwow meeting, he admitted and decided to curate me, and they wouldn't even say why.
Then they gave some fake reasons later, not Sandy Hook.
I remember six months before that, I don't remember the exact Wall Street Journal headline, but there was another article about it called, Hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones.
And it was like, Gizmoto, hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones.
You're about to be taken off the air.
And then it was a synopsis of the Wall Street Journal.
This Wall Street Journal article was one of those articles for the corporate elite.
And so it was like 25 pages long.
I go subscribe to it.
And I forget the exact headline.
And it was NATO meeting with the tech heads in Europe and meeting with News Corp.
This was to the shareholders of News Corps through the Wall Street Journal that they actually also own on the news division when it split.
And so I'm reading this 20-something-page article, and it says, soon the internet will be like cable TV.
I think they used Netflix as an example.
You'll have a thousand channels, maybe, but that'll be it.
We're not going to let people go to all these old sites and alternative sites.
And we're going to do it by going after Assange.
When the left doesn't stand up for him and the journalists don't, we'll have the left.
We're demonizing Alex Jones.
He's a horrible person.
When we then take him off the air and the right wing doesn't stand up because they don't want to be next, then when we take off the next person, the next person, the next person, it's human nature.
No one will stand up and we'll take them all, liberals and conservatives.
So that article that Alex is talking about, the one with the headline, Hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones, YouTube is coming for you, wasn't about Alex getting kicked off YouTube.
It was about YouTube announcing a plan to address misinformation where they would put a label on conspiracy content to distinguish it from actual news.
At the time, they were also planning to add labels to channels that were state-run outlets, but that wasn't really relevant to the Alex part.
This wasn't directly about Alex, but his name was in the headline because he was the most high-profile example of an online shithead who'd been really successful in gaming algorithms to boost his content while pretending to be a news show.
That article actually links to the Wall Street Journal article that Alex is mentioning, and the headline of that one is: YouTube takes aim at conspiracies propaganda, with the subheadline, quote, Google unit to provide more context around some videos.
You may be surprised to learn that it's not 25 pages long, it's more like one and a half.
You might be further surprised to learn that literally all of the details Alex is rattling off are not in that article and he's making it all up.
It's pretty easy to elicit wows from idiots when you just make sensational shit up, which is what's happening here.
Yeah, the article is just about YouTube making changes to its search function to prioritize credible outlets, particularly in the breaking news category.
There's nothing in it about NATO or News Core or anything about the internet being like Netflix.
There's nothing about Assange or attempts to capture the left and right.
This is all just Alex's fantasy.
And because Kurt and Jimmy are idiots, they're just letting Alex spout this off as if it's backed up by a real document.
They're in pretty far over their heads, but they don't realize it.
That tone of voice for the pronunciation of wow is reserved for the fucking Grand Canyon and the Aurora Borealis and not a goddamn word that comes out of Alex's mouth.
So I go on air with it and I say, I'm about to be taken off because that was a high-level article, not for pop culture, but for real business people to invest in News Corps when they split their entertainment division.
And they explained, we're going to end freedom on the internet and we're going to use this punk to do it.
So it wasn't that I was that important.
I was big, sure.
And I was populous and they fear that.
And I was uncontrolled.
But they chose me because I did do clownish stuff a lot.
And I still do.
I have fun.
I'm on the air four hours a day.
And so I was just chosen as patient zero along with Julian Assange.
So you can see the hosting chops on Jimmy Doerr here.
Alex just spouted minutes worth of bullshit about this 27-page Wall Street Journal battle plan to destroy free speech on the internet involving NATO and CIA operatives.
Jimmy's follow-up is what the Feds wanting to take Alex's cat in his bankruptcy.
Jimmy's a big free speech guy.
Shouldn't he be super curious about this article?
Shouldn't he want all the details about it, if real?
Like, if it was real, this is a smoking gun kind of thing.
It seems like the only reason someone in his position wouldn't pursue this line of questioning further is if he knew damn well that what Alex is saying is bullshit and that any further examination of it would reveal that.
Whereas if you just don't reveal that, works pretty well.
Works pretty well for your anti-system kind of presentation.
That cat thing was media bait that Alex's wife posted on Twitter.
She made a video of Alex holding his cat saying the Department of Justice wanted to take his cat, but the reality is just that he listed his cat in his rundown of personal possessions.
So any questioning about the cat's value was just them going down that list and asking about the items that were on it.
No one is going to seize his cat, but this is fun narrative for Jimmy to throw out.
Low stakes.
It has the vibe of creating the image of tyrannical oppression and paints Alex as a woe-is-me victim in the whole thing, which is pretty much what Jimmy seems to want, which is great.
Which, to me, it seems like there's the simplest conversation to have with Alex about that.
The real question I think would actually prejudice people against Alex better than any of his other beliefs, which is just, Alex, you listed your cat as a physical monetary item.
So is it alive?
Or is it just cash to you?
Because I would never in a million years put either Fanny or Jake on a goddamn list of values.
Well, I've told him the exact same thing you've said because it's the truth.
If you go back to nine years ago, Victoria Newland got caught on a release tape.
She didn't deny it.
The ambassador to the EU saying, screw the EU, screw what they want.
We're going to basically start a war.
And then seven years ago, a few years after that overthrow and that coup, where they attacked the government, killed all the police, and burned down buildings and installed their new leader that was more anti-Russia.
They then had a CNN report with Farin Zarkaria where George Soros went on there and bragged that he got $5 billion from the State Department and had done the coup a few years before.
And then U.S. troops and advisors began to come into the country and train the Ukrainian death squads because the country split between Slavic and kind of Germanic groups.
That was a split in World War II, but it's still where Russia was founded a thousand years ago.
It is mainly Slavic.
But Euro's been pushing the Russians for hundreds of years basically back towards the Russian border.
And so they began to attack those 99% Russian areas.
And Putin kept saying, stop doing it, stop doing it, stop doing it.
And he said, if you try to bring them into NATO, I'm going to take Crimea, which he then did a few years later.
And he said, I'm going to take the Donbass Reasons and Donetsk and some of those other areas there on the Western border.
And then I knew that's how in October, two years ago, plus, before the Russians went in in February, that there would be a war in that area and that Putin would go in by February if he was going to, because that was the intel I got from people I know in the military whose sons were over there already training the Ukrainians and they knew it was coming.
And so when the Russians lied and said we're not going to invade a few weeks before and the Reuters reporter confronted the State Department CIA guy and said, you're Alex Jones now, claiming the Russians are going to do a false flag and invade or whatever.
But I was saying, no, no, the Russians are going to go in.
That's exactly the opposite of what he was saying.
So leaving aside the immense levels of bullshit that Alex is spewing, just towing the Putin narrative line about the war, this is a disgraceful attempt on Alex's part to rewrite his own history and coverage of the war.
First things first, Alex said very specifically that Russia was not going to go into Ukraine.
He said that in the days before the invasion started because he was trying to run cover against all the people who said that Putin was going to invade.
Alex watched an entire speech Putin gave on air and said that Putin just wanted Ukraine and Russia to get along and do business together.
He wasn't trying to fight.
When Putin lied and said he wasn't going in, Alex defended it and said that the people who claimed he was going to invade were evil globalists trying to stir up war.
Then the war actually started and Alex said that it was just going to be in the Donbass region, that Putin was only interested in defending those states that he was recognizing as independent.
Alex said this because it was what Putin said he was doing, despite everyone warning that it was absolutely not what the plan was.
And then the war was really kicking off.
Alex said that the Ukrainian military and Zelensky were on Putin's payroll and the whole thing was a charade.
Russia would come in and the Ukrainian military would surrender immediately and then it would all be over in 48 hours.
All of this is a fraudulent retelling of his coverage meant to retroactively make himself look like a brilliant analyst of world affairs.
Alex has to lie about his past statements in order to make people think they should take what he's saying in the present seriously.
If you fall for this, like Jimmy and Kurt clearly are, you're a mark.
And if you allow Alex to present this unchallenged on your show, you're essentially lending your credibility that you've built with your audience to Alex to make the audience think that they should look at him as a brilliant analyst.
I think I would not be surprised if Bill Maher maybe wasn't in the front of his mind knowing who Klaus Schwab is.
And I think that what's going on here is that Jimmy and Kurt and Alex live in a world that is freakishly obsessed with Klaus Schwab and conspiracies around him, much like they used to be with Soros.
And maybe people who don't live inside that bubble, maybe they don't know who Klaus Schwab is because they're not worried about being made to eat the bugs.
They haven't heard the parody song covers of Klaus Schwab.
This is, I mean, it's a world that they live in that is full of shit.
And they're so surprised that other people don't share that reality with them.
Yeah.
I would bet that Bill Maher knows what the World Economic Forum is or has at least heard of it, but maybe the initials don't immediately strike him.
Just 10 years ago, they would have New York Times articles saying Alex Jones feverishly was having a schizoid event in Virginia outside a hotel conference center, imagining there were men with sunglasses and helicopters.
Meanwhile, the king of Spain's there, the head of the Defense Department, Henry Kissinger, world leaders, they had Marines on top the building with State Department security, literal black helicopters we got video of.
Okay, it's in my film endgame and others.
And then the New York Times reviewed a film I was in called The New World Order and said it did not exist.
Now, by then, the Bilderberg group was set up after World War II between what was left of the Nazis and the UK and America to kind of reconstitute Europe and the Marshall Plan.
Their own documents have been released by the Congressional Records Office.
This is an official part of it.
But they wouldn't go for it, and they would say it wasn't real, even though the Bilderberg group, as of 15 years ago, went public, started putting out press releases about who would be there, but that it's secret.
People didn't say the Bilderberg group didn't exist.
They just said that people like Alex and his predecessors, like outright Nazi Big Jim Tucker and noted lunatic Westbrook Pregler, were just kind of making shit up about what the group was.
Right.
The group operates under Chatham House rules, where there's an understanding of privacy, which allows participants to speak freely without the worry that things that they say will end up in the press.
Tons of organizations use this setup because if you didn't, you'd essentially never be able to have any kind of meeting between people in high-stakes positions that led to any actual conversations.
It's not always, it doesn't always mean that they're planning the end of the world.
If there was an expectation of privacy, there's a lot of less less manicured speech, perhaps.
Because of this privacy structure to their meetings, people like Jim Tucker and Alex and Daniel Estelin were able to create whatever image they wanted about what went on there.
It was a place where privacy was respected, so they were free to fill in the blanks with whatever worked for their purposes.
People weren't saying that the group didn't exist, they were criticizing this lazy propaganda strategy that these folks were using.
Also, no one was saying that Alex was losing his mind in that hotel because he said there was a group of global leaders happening there.
They were making fun of him because he got all worked up and paranoid about how the globalists had pulled the fire alarm at his hotel to smoke him out and to make sure that he couldn't do his interview on coast-to-coast AM.
So you can get the sense of how well Alex knows his subject here by how he whiffs on a really basic piece of information.
He says they meet in Europe three years and then every fourth year Bilderberg is in Chantilly, Virginia.
And that is not true.
Of their 69 meetings, haha, held since 1954, four have been in Chantilly.
Alex has just decided that this is the pattern that the Bilderberg group keeps because it was true for a short period of time back when he spent more time covering them.
So it's just burned into his memory.
The only stretch of time where this pattern holds is that in 2008, they were in Chantilly, then Greece, Spain, Switzerland, then back to Chantilly in 2012.
At that point, they were a huge part of Alex's conspiracy world.
So that three years in Europe, then back to Chantilly, that must be their entire routine, as opposed to just the stretch when he was actually paying attention to them and covering them more before he got lost in other sorts of conspiracy shit.
The new mafia, Silicon Valley, the WEF, the military-industrial complex.
Well, look at this story.
Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook of the future will be powered by telepathic thoughts.
Facebook users, and this is according to him, Facebook users in the future will share telepathic thoughts and feelings to each other, Mark Zuckerberg claims.
You're going to just be able to capture a thought, what you're thinking or feeling in kind of its ideal and perfect form in your head, and be able to share that with the world in a format they can get that.
He called on people to think less in nations, but as a citizen of a global community using innovations and technology for progress.
Well, this sounds like exactly what every person who was claimed was deemed a conspiracy theorist.
Here it is.
Here's the head of Silicon Valley, the head of Facebook, Instagram, the billionaire himself, Mark Zuckerberg saying, hey, don't think of it, just like, you know, you remember that movie Network, where Ned Beatty gave that speech where he says, remember that movie countries, there are only companies in the international transfer of dollars, and you have upset the natural order of the transfer of dollars and you must atone.
That's what this, he's saying right there.
He's giving the Ned Beatty speech.
He's saying, there are no countries.
There are only companies.
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You have meddled with the tidal forces of the nation.
Is Jimmy upset about the global community thing or the telepathy thing?
Because if it's a telepathy thing, he should tell the audience that was something Zuckerberg said in 2016.
It is definitely not coming.
Also, it would be good to maybe contextualize this point by bringing up that Elon Musk wants to put chips in people's heads that allow them to telepathically communicate with their devices.
But he's good.
He's cool.
So if it's the global community thing, what's the point of the telepathy part of the story?
You could find a hundred other instances of someone like Zuckerberg saying that we live in a global community.
I think this may have just been an excuse to talk about network because all of these ding-dongs are obsessed with thinking they're Howard Beale.
But bring it up because, you know, I think in the movie of Iron Man, people think it's really cool the way he's got that like, yeah, sort of uses mind to connect to the computer and stuff.
Sensing your joy, your playlist shifts to your favorite song, sending chills up your spine as the music begins to play.
You glance at the program running in the background on your computer screen and notice a now familiar sight that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure.
Your theta brainwave activity decreases in the temporal regions of your brain.
You mentally move the cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past few hours.
You can see your stress levels rising as the deadline to finish your memo approached, causing a peak in your beta brainwave activity right before an alert popped up telling you to take a brain break.
Your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team, whom you know you shouldn't be daydreaming about, given the policy against intra-office romance.
Jimmy, I'm aware that they want to turn all the workspaces into giant re-education camps.
And this is MKUltra being externalized to the public.
I had not seen this clip showing how much evil stuff the WEF puts out, how they just normalize you're going to eat bugs, you're going to drink sewage water, which LA is now doing.
You're going to live in a 250-square-foot 5G oven apartment, coffin apartment.
So this was from the 2023 Davos conference, and the speaker is Nita Farahani.
She's using that story in the voiceover thing to illustrate potential applications of already existing technologies in order to present an ethical dilemma.
If these technologies exist, and as even greater technologies are innovated, how can we protect privacy?
If AI comes along to the point where it can essentially decode your thoughts, what implications does that have on how we need to order society to protect privacy?
She's very clearly not in favor of the scenario that she lays out, but if you're a pretty dull, conspiracy-minded person who's obsessed with finding new little clips to pretend are revealing WEF plots, then you can see how this clip might be a little confusing.
Also, they don't include any of the rest of her speech.
Just the nightmarish little scenario that is being used as the jump-off point to explore ethical implications of technology.
And that's intentional.
Why have context?
It's one thing to be skeptical and question the elites.
I'll support that, and I think that's a healthy thing to do.
But this is an entirely different thing.
WEF fear-mongering is a primary driver of conspiracy attention economies at this point.
So people like Alex and Jimmy are deeply incentivized to find the next new exciting thing to scare people about them.
That's why Alex is so excited to hear about this.
Oh, I told my producers to go get this.
He hadn't seen the memes yet.
He hadn't stumbled across somebody posting a little clip of this so he could cover it on his show.
The second part is where Jimmy really gets confrontational about Alex thinking he's on a mission from God and how he wants to expel immigrants from the country and all sorts of it.
I'm sure.
I'm sure it gets real like get down to business about things that they politically disagree about, you know, and really, you know, the first hour is just, you know, filler, a little like, hey, Bill Mars tells you.
Even earlier on, though, you could see the way that this could, this path could unfold.
Sure, sure.
But yeah, I don't know.
Here's the part that's scarier even than that: I would suggest that there is a possibility that they don't even really think that this is a bad trajectory.
No, but that's why I'm afraid is because if they can't recognize in themselves what led to where they are right now as being a horrible thing, how is it possible?
You know, like in my brain right now, what horrible shit is like swirling around that I should be fighting with a goddamn vibranium shield and shit to keep from becoming Kurt Joneskar.
Because he doesn't come from an anti-communist tradition.
You know, he was a left guy.
And he made such a big deal out of the Medicare for all force the vote kind of stuff.
And like, that was like one of his big political stances over the last couple of years.
I remember he was attacking AOC and all this because they wouldn't force the vote on Medicare for all you, you fucking assholes, this is a litmus test and all this.
And now he's associating with people who want Medicare for none.
You know, like this is this, this is essentially buddying up to and creating a political allegiance and alignment with people who want you and the things that you ostensibly are about gone.
You know, I mean, I think of nihilism when I think of Jimmy Dore now, you know, because I think a lot of people think of this self-destruction and nihilism as that kind of thing.
But to me, like the idea of abandoning everything and just being like, everybody's going to die fucking anyways.
It's kind of an act of like collaborating with Alex more than it is a show.
Yeah.
There isn't like real depth or like information about Alex that comes out outside of unchallenged lies that Alex says to him, which are the same lies that Alex says in almost every interview.
So it's not like you're not getting anything out of him.