Knowledge Fight - #885: January 3, 2024

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#885: January 3, 2024

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Knowledge Fight #885 dissects Alex Jones’ January 3, 2024 episode, where he platformed Brother Nathanael Kappner—an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist linking Jews to fascism, Holocaust orchestration, and election rigging—despite Jones’ weak attempts at rebuttal. The hosts mock his delayed Epstein coverage (ignored since 2007 until 2015 lawsuits) and dismiss claims like a "baby-making ranch" as baseless satanic panic-era hearsay. Jones pivots to peddling Foundational Energy, a dubious supplement, while evading legal scrutiny by relocating products. Ultimately, the episode reveals Jones’ pattern of exploiting trauma for political attacks while normalizing fringe, harmful narratives under the guise of "debate." [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones

infowars 20:58

brother nathanael

13:22

dan friesen

47:11

jordan holmes

26:06

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jason bermas

infowars 03:42

vivek ramaswamy

r 01:26

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
		Shang, we are the bad guys.
		Knowledge fight.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Dan and Jordan.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I need money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Pansy.
unidentified		Andy and Candy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Stop it.
		Andy and Kansas.
		Andy and Kansas.
unidentified		Andy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
		Andy and Kansas.
		You're on the earth.
		Thanks for holding it.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fish tonight coloring with you just saying I love your room.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
		I'm Jordan.
		We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dan, Jordan, Dan, Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
		What's your bright talk about?
		Another day, another new set of headphones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Another new set of headphones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not the bright spot, though.
		Okay.
		But in case anything goes wrong, new headphones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Headphones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what it's like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some people say new shoes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We had a scare before the show even started.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now I feel like because of that, my cord's on the wrong side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, your right shoes.
		It should be on the left.
		It's always on the left.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very strange.
		There's no way around it.
		Can't have to just deal with it.
		My bright spot today, Jordan, is I was over at the store, and what should I see but Kit Kat chocolate frosted donut?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Chocolate frosted donut.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		It's not good, but exciting.
		Exciting as a flavor.
		It's exciting to see Kit Kat getting into the game.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you usually see Reese's fucking around doing all this crazy knowledge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, Japanese Kit Kat has been going strong for a long, long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
		And we got that nice package from a listener who had some nice Japanese Kit Kat.
		The strawberry one was fantastic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The banana caramel was iffy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But see, I think domestically, Kit Kat doesn't get enough mess around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Variety.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So chocolate frosted donut.
		Sure.
		Hey, hello.
		All right.
		Well, not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a thought that counts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, we're trapped in a cooler ranch loop.
		That's what it is.
		Like, so many places accidentally nailed it on their first go-around, and then the taste got trapped in the literal human like zeitgeist.
		What was this?
		And now we're trapped.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kit Kat that was the cool ranch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what was the second kit that Kit Kat that was the cool ranch?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he had the Doritos nacho cheese.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the original.
		You got to ask yourself.
		What does the white chocolate count for?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think the white chocolate counts for a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big fan of the white chocolate Reese's, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		White chocolate is the best.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bit sweeter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bit sweeter, a little less better.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sucks.
		Shouldn't be called chocolate.
		I guess the reason this is a bright spot is that me and my buddy Nikki Gifts, it's one of the few things that we really connect on anymore.
		Not that our friendship is falling apart, but he's busy.
		He has a kid.
		So our lives, we don't live in the same city.
		Our lives are disparate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a nice way that we can connect, that we take pictures of weird novelty candies that we see and like, uh-oh, look at this one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is kind of a nice little thing that we can still share.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's more the bright spot than the actual chocolate frosted donut, which again, not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maintaining a human connection, even whenever it's extremely difficult with those like small things, that just goes such a long way towards.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is a little thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you can think about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, every now and again, you can just stop and be like, yeah, I do appreciate that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's nice.
		I see a funny candy makes me think of my old buddy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot is, I'm going to go with one more time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is the last time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tennis?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What had happened was season finale.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Finish it up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And I will tell you this.
		The reason is my bright spot.
		One, it's a great episode, but it's my bright spot because it blew up a new level for me that I didn't know.
		I didn't know this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Before Kanye took over B, Common Seminole album, one of the greatest albums of all time, Questlove had finished like six tracks producing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So there is an alternate universe B produced entirely by Questlove that is now trapped inside my brain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I want to hear those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got to do a Marvel's What If.
		Absolutely.
		Time would be different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you even know about Marvels?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What if?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I heard about it somewhere.
		I don't know.
		Probably some fucking video that was recommended to me on YouTube that I didn't click on.
		It shows up in my fucking page.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		I also, I knew of it as a thing before there was a show.
		You know, like the Uatu the Watcher the idea of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like there's a series of comic books itself.
		Right, right, right.
		And I was vaguely aware of that as a child.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I've disconnected from this nerd stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow, there's nothing more fun than taking beloved characters and putting them into a different situation.
		Like whenever News Radio was on the Titanic.
		Great stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or in space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or in space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Phil Hartman.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Phil Hartman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Phil Hartman dressing completely normal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Phil Hartman as an exclamation is great.
		Yes.
		No context.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No need.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No secondary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unneeded.
unidentified		None needed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just Phil Hartman.
		Handy dick.
		Well, that requires a lot more context.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Steven Root.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, Stephen Root has the best career of any human being in the entertainment business episode.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's in office space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's Jimmy James.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was in The Man in the High Castle.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to create the broadest range of character actor roles that he's done.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his voiceover career, extensive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Always pops up as a little character, you know, like dodgeball and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Always pops up as a nice little character.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Always does his job.
unidentified		Does it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gets in, gets out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody loves it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's another alternative universe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		B produced by Stephen Root.
		How about that?
		Is that a universe we want to live in?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stephen the Roots.
		Let's start this shit now.
		We're writing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're cooking with gas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get Marvel on the line.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and I regret that we're doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's why.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, this sucks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is a bad episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bad times.
		We're talking about January 3rd, 2024.
		First episode of 2024.
		Oh.
		Wednesday.
		Bad.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bad.
		Didn't start off the new year on a new note.
		Didn't have any resolutions that would, at the very least, start off with some sort of novelty or anything like that.
		Nope.
		Just running it back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a certain sense that this has a novel aspect to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just the worst kind of novelty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get down to how this all plays out.
		Okay.
		But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So first, Frank Brewer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Ronaldo Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Next.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations on your wedding.
		Oliver and Kelly, Dan and Jordan, are now your globalists-in-law.
		Thank you so much, Ronald Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next.
		Sometimes when my partner starts the car by phone, auto-connects to the Bluetooth, so she's greeted by Alex spewing hatred, but I also listen at 1.5 speed, so he sounds even more coked up.
		I love you guys.
		Keep up the great work.
		Thank you so much, Renault Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mego, next.
		I joined to express my support for healthy work-life balance exemplified by taking a little break.
		E. Thank you so much.
		You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mego, next.
		Spotify just informed me that I listened to you guys 19,173 minutes in my first year of knowledge fight.
		Thank you so much.
		You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how many that is comparatively.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know it's a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how it is comparatively.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		60 minutes per hour.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was, yeah, I was going to go a different route for the math, and then I got confused.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's 24 hours in a day.
		We're close to 24,000 minutes.
		All right, so I lost track of where I would go next.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		24,000 minutes divided by 60.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So that gives us a lot of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we're at 20.
		Let's just round it up to 20.
		20,000.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		20,000 divided by 60.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is excruciating.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They are listening to us not use a calculator and solve this problem at instance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's probably six months of your life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got a technical credit, Rick Jordan.
		So thank you so much to Alex Ripped Off the Quickening from Art Bell.
		Thank you so much.
		You're an A Technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
unidentified		Go home to your mother and tell it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're brilliant.
		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
		Daddy Sharp.
		Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified		He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hate black people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So obviously, one of the biggest things that's going around in the news this day is the Epstein list.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Presumably being released, or maybe not, because there was one of the Jane Does who was trying to get it postponed, and there was talk that it was going to be postponed until 22nd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then it got released.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Judge.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot of energy around Epstein.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so one might think that that is why this episode is going to be terrible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it is part of it.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's not the whole thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I believe is going to happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it really bums me out if you're Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe Alex is going to defend people going to Epstein Island.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		However, I don't like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		However, you're not super far off in terms of what I feel like Alex is doing is playing deflections/slash defense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get to that, but we start off with Alex talking, running down the headlines and touching on the Epstein business.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		To be here.
		Okay, let's run down what we're going to be covering and more today, obviously.
		I'm not going to mention everything we're going to be getting to.
		Because you never know, stuff's breaking while we're on the air, and we have a bunch of special guests joining us.
		Epstein list remained sealed until at least January 22nd.
		I said yesterday, I bet they don't release it today.
		I bet they seal it again.
		We're going to talk about why.
		There's a lot of blackmail going on behind the scenes and some big developments there.
		But I had filmmaker and former Infowars host Jason Burmes on yesterday.
		He was hosting the fourth hour, and I hosted part of it with him.
		And just hearing him rattle off, he's really good at collating everything.
		I was like, man, there's a lot of angles.
		I've forgotten to restate about Epstein.
		Because as Burmes points out, I've been covering Epstein for at least a decade.
		And he reminded me of so much information.
		And people obsess on flight logs.
		They obsess on his so-called black book.
		But the big enchiladas are manifest in Manifold and Legion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Manifest, Manifold, and Legion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's a nice little trio.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Barnes would be disappointed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it doesn't have the full rhyming and the alliteration going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're not wrong there.
		But it does have a flair to it.
		I like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jason Burmes has got to be pissed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For sucking?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or for being told he sucks all the time?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because on our last episode when we were back in 2012, we heard Alex say that Aaron Dykes had made the best report.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's second four, maybe second best to Paul.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It kind of sucks compared to Paul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fucking Burmese should be the guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You'd think.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He should be Alex's guy.
		He's been there.
		Well, he went away for quite a while, and he and Alex weren't.
		I don't know.
		I don't know if they had a falling out or what, but he wasn't around.
		But he was there in the early days.
		He was the info warrior.
		That was his show.
		He made loose change.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you don't understand.
		If you're a narcissist, you love people right up until they love you back.
		And then you're like, fine, now you're in my stable if people I can exploit.
		I'm off to try and love the next person who doesn't love me yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jason Burmes should have been in the conversation for that top spot with Aaron Dykes and Paul Joseph Watson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In the stable, that's all he is.
		He's there.
		He's on the burner.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Burmese.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, nice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I reached out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Barnes wouldn't be thrilled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we holding ourselves to the Barnes standard now?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Surprises, yes.
		And pun work.
		Not pun work.
		Anyway, sure.
		Alex has been covering Epstein forever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The FBI went and scooped up stuff out of his Zorro Ranch, out of his New York sex dungeon, and out of his Caribbean ray piling.
		But they did take photos and admit that they have hundreds, if not thousands, dozens and dozens of boxes full of videotapes and full of CDs and full of computer hard drives.
		So when I say hundreds, if not thousands, it's probably thousands of videos.
		I don't know when you've got buckets, boxes just full of hard drives and full of VHS tapes and full of DVDs.
		It shows that it's going back many, years.
		Because you got the VHS from 20 years ago, 25 years ago, 30 years ago.
		You got the CDs and DVDs from 20 years ago, 10 years ago.
		And you got all the hard drives.
		Box after box, closet after closet, room after room, and everybody is completely focused, and including myself, even though I'm one of the first to ever talk about all this, if not the first, only because I was already hot on the trail because of Ted Gunderson and all those patriots that were exposing these networks.
		That's how I was aware of it.
		And I knew people in Hollywood and was told some of the things they'd heard were going on.
		And also I'm a newshound.
		A lot of this has come out in the news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a newshound.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a newshound.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex is making a lot of assumptions of what he imagines this evidence might be in the Epstein case.
		And he may be right about some of it, but he also may not.
		Also, just I love the generations of technology, bro.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was a little bit of a chart of evolution.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm less interested in his assumptions about that stuff and more interested in his absolute lie that he was one of the first, if not the first, to cover Epstein's child exploitation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's disgusting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can go through Alex's history and you'll find that this is an absolute fiction.
		Epstein had been indicted in 2007, at which point Trump's future Secretary of Labor, Alexander Acosta, and Alex's buddy, Alan Dershowitz, negotiated him a non-prosecution agreement.
		He was sentenced to 18 months in prison, which he served in a very minimum security facility and was allowed to leave for work release.
		Subsequently, after he got released, there were a number of lawsuits.
		There was a lot of media coverage of this, particularly in places like the Miami Herald.
		If you go through Alex's old episodes dating back to 2003, he doesn't talk about Jeffrey Epstein at all until pretty late in the game.
		The word Epstein comes up, but that's mostly when he's talking about the Epstein bar virus, not Jeffrey.
		The first time Alex ever actually covered Jeffrey Epstein was on January 2nd, 2015, which was after the news about Virginia Gaffer's lawsuit had broken, after that news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which, again, was in the news.
		So everyone had been talking about Epstein.
		For months up to this point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex was mostly interested in that story because it involved the royal family through Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton.
		This gave him an angle of attack and made it easy to fold into his narrative world, so he pounced on it.
		And he's talked a bunch about Epstein since, usually in irresponsibly sensational terms.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex was late to this story, but that doesn't look good for him.
		He's the prophet guy.
		He's supposed to be so many steps ahead of the mainstream media.
		So to have ignored this story for about seven years while the mainstream media covered it seems kind of weird.
		A little weird.
		That's why he lies like this, and he pretends that he was hot on Epstein's trail from the early days, waging a one-man crusade against him while the world just sat by and enabled him.
		The media sat on their hands.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Another important point is that this is what is important for Alex.
		The Epstein story isn't about understanding abuse of power or getting justice for the victims.
		This story exists in Infowars coverage to use as a cudgel against his enemies, whether or not they were actually associated with Epstein and as an avenue to inflate his own ego.
		The Epstein story is about how right Alex is all the time and has always been, and that's why you need to take him so seriously in the present.
		It's super easy to illustrate how right you are all the time if you're just willing to lie about what you said in the past and create narcissistic fiction about yourself.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So this is bad.
		You know, like, obviously, his coverage of Epstein and stories that involve exploitation of children are always really bad.
		But like I said, that's not the reason that this is launched into really bad episode territory.
		That is because of a guest that he has on that he introduces.
		The guest is going to come on later, but he brings him up here at the beginning.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then I have a very interesting guy I've been watching for, I don't know, it's got to be more than a decade and a half on YouTube and places.
		Now, that's brother Nathaniel Kappner.
		And I think the guy is very interesting and entertaining.
		He's Jewish, he's Jewish Christian, and he's mellowed a bit over the years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, puts his case out instead of just attacking people.
		And that's why I thought we would hear from an Orthodox, I guess, or Messianic Jew today.
		He's not too fond of Israel.
unidentified		Sorry?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to get some folks on, too, who are pro-Israel soon, like the super-informed, awesome folks over that run rebel media, Ezra Levant and others.
		I just recently got invited to go over to Israel and see for myself.
		I've also been invited to Egypt.
		I've been invited to Russia, but I haven't gone because there's just too much going on here in America.
		But I'm tempted to go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's too much going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not a great sign here that Alex is saying that he's been watching this guy for a decade because Brother Nathaniel is a raving anti-Semitic lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a guy who harasses people on the streets and he runs a website called Real Jew News.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The homepage of that site says this on the very top in the header: quote, I wish to warn how Jewry is destroying Christianity throughout the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We can stop already.
unidentified		At any time soon, what the fuck are you doing using the word Jewry?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is like he uses it a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't even need to, you don't need to finish a sentence unless it begins with racists use the word Jewry a lot and non-racists don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a trend.
		Demonizing Jewish people is like literally his main issue.
		He's not someone who opposes Israel or sports Palestinian rights.
		He's a violent anti-Semite who put out a video about how exciting it is that people are starting to like Hitler the day before Alex had him on for this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Literally everything on his website is about attacking Jewish people.
		The Jews did 9-11.
		The Jews killed President McKinley.
		Jews rule every aspect of society and stopped Ron Paul from getting into office.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What did the Jews have against McKinley?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't read that article.
		I don't know.
		But yeah, what a shock this guy likes Ron Paul.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, all this is pretty predictable neo-Nazi type stuff on this website, but there's one section of the site that I found particularly interesting.
		As it turns out, in 2009, Brother Nathaniel was putting out some articles that were accusing Alex of being a shill.
		From one of them, titled, quote, Is Alex Jones a Zionist shill?
		Here, I'll read to you from that.
		Sure.
		Quote, the simmering controversy of Alex Bullhorn Jones being a Zionist shill and de facto Zionist agent and spin meister has now spilled over onto Jones' own public prison planet message board.
		Parentheses, see below.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll give him a I'll say my grade is overwrought at this point in time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His writing is not concise.
		Despite alleged message censoring efforts by Jones personally and his staff, according to a number of postings which are excerpted below, Jones' allegiance to Zionism stems from two things.
		One, his core Protestant fundamentalist Zionist belief system, and two, widely circulated reports that his wife is a Jew, which would make their two children Jewish under Talmudic law.
		Nathaniel has been pretty directly critical of Alex for years, like in 2017 when he said, quote, many fear using the Jew word, but instead use generic phrases like Alex Jones uses globalists.
		So if I'm to take Alex seriously, he spent a decade watching this guy spout vile anti-Semitic trash and regularly insult Alex and say he was a shill for the Jews, so afraid that he needed to use code words like globalists in order to stay on the air.
		And now he's decided to have him on to have a talk about Israel.
		That makes a lot of sense.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is what someone does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eh, you know, it's all part of the show.
		Come on.
		Who doesn't AS?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a disgrace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's disgusting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The last 10 years have caused that same kind of political realignment that I think people believe happened in the 60s the same way.
		And it hasn't caused it in political party, though.
		Everyone's still pretending to be exactly the same, while some of them believe in complete opposite things somehow.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wild.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of people in a political party, Alex has another guest on this episode who should be thrilled that he's sharing a broadcast day with someone like Brother Nathaniel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan Crenshaw?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's someone who's been known to pee on live mics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, here we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His name rhymes with cake.
unidentified		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have the deep dive next hour.
		It's a red herring, the little black book.
		It doesn't exist.
		He had dozens of these black books.
		What we wants the hard drives and going all the way back to VHS over three decades.
		He was working for Mossad, MI6, and CIA.
		Mossad heads were caught there.
		All of it.
		All right.
		Joining us now is Vivek Ramaswani.
		Super smart.
		Love his analysis.
		He's doing irrevocable damage to the globalists that have hijacked this country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be Alex's catchphrase, is he's doing irrevocable damage.
		And that's the way of getting around the like, you know, he has Soros connections and shit earlier.
		Yeah.
		He's got to be real.
		He's doing irrevocable damage, which I don't know how he is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was trying to make change from the inside.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then as he.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a better angle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But as he left when he realized that he couldn't, he dropped a truth grenade and jumped out the window as an explosion went off behind him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he was very truth parachute.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, obviously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to jump out the 70th floor of a lie building.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Vivek.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Definitely makes his run for office seem super real and credible to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Repeatedly coming back on InfoWars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't we all as a society just decide, you know, like violence is wrong, but also we need to bring back throwing vegetables at people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that there is a realm of violence that, you know, I never really was too offended by people pouring milkshakes on folks.
		Milkshakes?
		So, I don't know.
		Is a tomato in the same territory?
		I don't think, like, if I were doing stand-up and someone threw a tomato at me, I would not feel attacked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I would feel, yeah, there is a certain part of me that would be like, sir, correct answer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's within a well-laid-out tradition of not appreciating someone's performance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd be like, I didn't even know we still did that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Applause to you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I, you know, Vivek is on, and it's largely a conversation about how, like, you know, him being in the race is important because then there's two people who, so they can't just kill Trump because Vivek will be there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That kind of stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got an understudy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So, that keeps the prima donna from being hurt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like how you have a buffer.
		If your vice president is insane, then they won't take you out, but they aren't in office and he's not his vice president.
unidentified		Is that like?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of that same mentality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's like continuity of running for government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, continuity of lunatics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, also, Vivek is a little bit bummed that people aren't thrilled with his most recent endorsement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		We love it when you pop in.
		You're very gracious.
		It's good to have you back with us 2024.
		Where would you like to begin?
vivek ramaswamy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was actually just came straight off at getting Steve King's endorsement and getting excoriated by the media for it.
		And it just shows how corrupt a lot of the media is, and frankly, a lot of the Republican establishment, too.
		You know, Steve King, right?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
vivek ramaswamy ▲ ● ▼		He's a true patriot.
unidentified		Cool guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cool guy, Steve King.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not a racist.
unidentified		Veik going to bat for Steve King.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And being like, that guy likes me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I genuinely thought that we were done with Steve.
		I thought that once actual, like even the racists were like, Steve, come on, man.
		Just don't say it.
		Yeah.
		Well, what you going to do?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just going to do this and complain to Alex about how no one is thrilled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No one likes Steve King anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So yeah, Vivek is bummed.
		No one's happy for him.
		And then he has another thought about the primary, and that is what the globalists are trying to do.
		Like a lot of people are saying that they don't want Biden, right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're going to bring in Gavin Newsome or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if anybody's really.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what the right-wing conspiracy ding-dongs are saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would rather bring back Hillary.
		Fuck it.
		Really piss him off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Vivek has another angle on this.
vivek ramaswamy ▲ ● ▼		I worry that a lot of the Republican primary voter base, because the mainstream media is pushing a false narrative, is about to fall into a major trap.
		And it's one that you've been calling out for a long time.
		I think you have been way ahead of the curve on this.
		I came around to this in the last couple of months as it became more obvious to me.
		I think this system, I hate to say this because it's wrong and it's immoral, but this system is not going to allow Donald Trump to get anywhere near that White House.
		If you think they're going to just let Donald Trump get back to the White House again, open your eyes.
		And I think that if I've seen what's happening in the world, I've never seen this that I think really threw a wrench in this for me was I knew they were not going to allow a Trump versus Biden election.
		There was something else going on here.
		Gavin Newsome or Michelle Obama, which puppet were they going to prop up?
		But then you actually follow the facts.
		You open your eyes for the last several months.
		Who are the people that are supporting the lawsuits to keep Donald Trump off the ballot?
		Who are they supporting?
		Who's Larry Fink supporting?
		It's not Gavin Newsom.
		It's not even Joe Biden.
		It's actually within our own party.
		It's Nikki Haley in this race.
		And so what they want to do is to narrow this down to be a two-horse race between Trump and Haley.
		That's the plan, at least.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I tried bird brain.
		You've been targeting her astutely from the beginning.
		She's very dangerous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so that's the plot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the plot to bring it down to Nikki Haley versus Trump in the prime.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Trump would destroy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, right now, Trump would destroy literally everyone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter if you prop up Nikki Haley as a second option in the GOP primary.
		If it is only her, still wonder.
		Like if Trump isn't running, I still don't think she's going to win the nomination.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I find it fascinating because everybody who told me anything anybody told me about voting for Biden last election because of blah, blah, blah, blah, all of that stuff applies more to Nikki Haley this year than it does to Biden or Trump.
unidentified		It's literally like— Can you lay out a little bit of the blah, blah, blah, blah?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that whole like electability, who is going to win an election in a real world without Trump, Nikki Haley wins against anybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the right-wing voter base was looking for electability and someone who's not outwardly, clearly nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but that's but they're not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But see, that's my point: is that all of those people who told me all that nonsense about Biden should stop pretending and should vote for Nikki Haley and make her the Republican nominee.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If they could switch their primary elite.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They never really believed in anything anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So fucking bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This might be where we get that party swap that you're saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's what I'm saying.
		Why not?
		It makes more sense than relying on Republicans to do anything close to the right thing.
		And you don't actually believe in anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that center Democrats could essentially take over the Republican primaries by shifting parties.
unidentified		Correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Vote for Nikki Haley.
		Yes.
		That would be chaos.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It would make more sense than whatever it is they've chosen to do for the past my entire life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do see the sense in it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still think that they would be probably betraying a fair amount of things that are politically supposed to be what they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't mean to over-exaggerate that maniacal laughter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote Jordan.
		Fake laugh.
		So Alex is going to do this deep dive on the Epstein situation.
		Jason Burmese is going to come back in.
		They're going to take care of it.
		Sure.
		They're going to get really into the weeds.
		They're not.
		They're going to be real fuckheads.
		But yeah, first, there's other business.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy because I've been covering the pedophile rings, the Massad, CIA, MI6 operations, and King Charles and Jimmy Savelle for 29 years on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't you dare say anything about Jimmy Savelle.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, Ted Gunderson and General Parton and all these experts, former FBI agents, former top generals that explained to me how they were controlling people.
		And so I have forgotten more than most people ever know about this, but Jason's done a really good job at getting it all together with the documents.
		That's coming up in about five minutes when we come back from this one little short 60-second break.
		But right now, I want everybody to listen to me very, very carefully because just like our information is game-changing, this is incredibly game-changing information.
		So get ready.
		I'm also going to cut an ad right now that we'll run on the show live here.
		This is an announce about to cut live on air with everybody watching.
		Ladies and gentlemen, two years ago, I went to two separate high-end health clinics where I get my blood tested every few years and also get EKGs and things on my heart.
		And I noticed that at both the facilities, the hottest thing with top medical doctors was methyl folate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so he's selling methyl folate now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's methyl folate?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of supplement?
		That's fair.
		From the cursory research that I did, I think this is not a great thing that Alex should be selling.
		It can mess with your serotonin and dopamine levels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Suicidal thoughts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It would be a fucking side effect if it was a regulated industry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex explains that Northern Europeans tend to have a broken chromosome that affects your energy levels, and this makes you woo-hoo-hoo back to having full energy.
		It's very weird.
		I would say there's a racial component, ethnic component, even to his ad pitch about broken chromosomes and stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do think that that is probably a better evidence of true racism from your show that you're like, fuck it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Only white people will really need this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The broken chromosomes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know who my audience is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Alex brings in Jason Burmes for this deep dive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Jason goes a little bit off track right from the jump.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So, Jason, you're going to be, you got your own computer system.
		You're going to be putting documents on.
		We'll be putting them up as well.
		Start with what you were saying yesterday in the fourth hour.
		I put it on X.
		It's got about a million and a half views just on our channel, a couple million more other places.
		It's exploded.
		A lot of folks are tuning right now.
		So give people the real deep dive until we go to break in 19 minutes.
		And then I'm going to come back and get into the areas I want and give us, you know, the million-foot view of the whole nasty thing and tie it all together and explain that this is how they control things.
		The currency is children.
		And now, with the biomedical tyranny and the UN treaty, they don't just want our children.
		They want all of our bodies.
		It's about rape.
		It's about owning us.
		It's about that power.
		All right.
		Jason Burmes.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		Alex, you know, I was going to begin with the Epstein saga all the way back to what we now know is at least publicly the first report to the NYPD and the FBI all the way back in 1996.
		But you said something key.
		You talked about the quote-unquote finders group.
		And this was a group.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we're going to veer off into finders stuff.
		So that's good.
		That's great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, this deep dive is we're going to get all into the does not really.
		You know what it is?
		It's just a barrage of touchstone talking points and Jason going off on weird conspiracy tangents about a subject that I resent them not taking more seriously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fucking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's no good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jason talks about the finders because that's where he's starting things off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's not really on the right track.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		The quote-unquote finders group.
		And this was a group that had not only connections to the Central Intelligence Agency in the 80s, but the initial incident, which if anybody looks at the local police reports that you can find on the FBI's own website, handwritten, by the way, is so disturbing and egregious, you have to wonder what was going on.
		These children who were extremely dirty were playing in a park, and the adults that with them didn't seem to be their parents.
		When law enforcement investigated, these people were connected to the internet before the internet existed through their van, through wireless technology.
unidentified		So they had all of this high-tech gear.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		The kids were clearly abused.
		And I'm not going to even get into how grotesquely once they had medical examinations, but we're talking about young children being anally abused.
		I'm going to leave it at that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Leave it at that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And really, this whole more than fire enough.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		But it led into what was essentially an underage blackmail ring inside of DC.
		And we actually put a portion of it in the film Invisible Empire, A New World Order to Find, which you produced.
		And what was so scary and egregious in that case is you had somebody who was sitting in Congress, Barney Frank.
		He was not out as a homosexual at the time, but he had hired basically this young madam, this male madam.
		And this guy was running a brothel, not only out of Barney Frank's apartment, which they had ethics hearings on.
		Anybody can watch those on C-SPAN, but it actually went to the local Chevy Chase middle school and involved the vice principal.
		This was all the way back in the 80s.
		Now, fast forward to, again, that first report on Epstein in 1996.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me just stop you.
		I'm going to give you the floor in a moment.
		But since you got in the Finders, they even raided this big warehouse that had all these shot-lot up links, all this high-tech equipment, where they were shooting child porn.
		This all came out, and again, the FBI confiscated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I'll leave it at that, I guess.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was CIA, just like it did with Epstein.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This all didn't come out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there is a distinct possibility that those children that were found in the van, the Finders, that 1987 arrest, there's a possibility that they were victims of abuse, as is often the case with cults.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also, the media botched that story considerably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The people who did the investigation found that they couldn't rule out abuse, but not that they could indicate that there was abuse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so the media screwed that up, and that's what Burmese is reporting on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a far more sensational story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Everything else that Burmese is saying here is unsubstantiated conspiracy nonsense that has no basis in reality.
		The CIA connection that Burmese is hanging all that on is that the CIA sent some employees to a company called Future Enterprises Incorporated, which taught computer skills in the 80s.
		At some point, a member of the Finders named Robert Gardner was employed by Future Enterprises.
		Also, the leader of the group, Marion Petty, his wife was employed by the CIA in the 50s, but it died in 1984, and there's no connection that's ever been established through her with the group to the CIA.
		At the time of this 1987 arrest, the story got whipped up into the prevailing satanic panic, and everything about the case got sensationalized with fantastical details, like what Burmese is regurgitating.
		And then in 2019, the FBI released over 300 pages of documents about the case, and none of this stuff is in any way backed up by them.
		So what do the truth seekers at the InfoWar, what do they do?
		They hold tight to the satanic panic gossip conspiracy shit while pretending that what they're actually doing is basing their coverage on the legitimate sources like the FBI release.
		It's a parlor trick.
		It's what they do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Barney Frank associated with a male sex worker named Steve Goby, who was alleged to have been running a sex work operation out of Frank's home.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no indication that there's anything further illegal about it, like involving trafficking of kids or blackmail operations, as Burmese is clearly trying to insinuate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but running a brothel is illegal.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		No, hey, there's nothing we can do about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to pretend that I don't think it should be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Morally, I'm against that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		And I would say that I think that it is ambitious.
		That's not the right word.
		Extreme for someone to be running a sex work operation out of the home of somebody who's sitting in Congress.
		I feel like that's overly complicating things in a way that maybe is inappropriate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't have picked that as my first spot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But turning this into a part of this conspiracy is different.
		Yeah.
		So he brings up the Chevy Chase Middle School, and it was actually an elementary school.
		So this has to do with the principal of Chevy Chase Elementary School, Gabrielle Massaro, resigning after it was revealed that he had been involved with Steve Goby and allowed him to use the school after hours to conduct business for his escorting sex work operations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		I'm all for sex work, legalized, et cetera.
		No, can't do that.
		Sorry, buddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Big no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can't be using the guidance office after hours to make phone calls.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, that's just not going to go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's really inappropriate and obviously not okay.
		But Burmese is trying to imply that this had to do with something to do with crimes against or involving the students at that school.
		And that is not the case at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		But if you're doing it out of a school and people claim that you are, that one's on you.
		That one's on you, not them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is understandable for people to be like, what the hell?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is not understandable for someone in Jason Burmes' position to play this fast and loose with details in order to paint the picture that he wants to paint.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex and Burmes are doing what they do with every topic.
		They're blurring details and exaggerating things out so they can exploit optics for their own narrative purposes.
		It's an absolute disgrace to do this about a subject like this, but what can you really expect?
		Crimes against children evoke a very visceral response from people.
		And once you've created that response, it's really easy to hijack it and use it for your purposes.
		This is just a game to them.
		It's just a game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is one of those things that it should give us all pause.
		How effective the satanic panic is, despite the fact that we all know about the satanic panic, still, like the people who are engaging in satanic panic behavior right now could also be like, yeah, man, I lived through that satanic panic.
		Those parents were crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they could.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you could be like Alex and be like, it was all true real and it never stopped.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they covered it up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I noticed one thing in their coverage of this, and that is constantly saying that the list that may or may not be coming out that day is a red herring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Remember, all the new viewers, you're hearing nothing about all the DVDs, about the hard drives, about the VHS tapes, closet after closet grabbed by the FBI.
		You're hearing nothing about that.
		Why?
		It isn't again.
		The list is a total distraction.
		What is on the damn videotapes?
		Keep going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't seem like a normal angle for Alex to have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the only conclusion I can come to is he was very worried about whose names might be on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This really seems like we're going to do this to create a distraction from an inconvenient realization that Trump was more associated with Epstein than I have insisted for years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For all of the claims of people being pedophiles now, all of the random, super fast.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Alex is going to say in a minute, half of the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Totally, totally.
		I think all of that is effective and is the result of Clinton and Prince Andrew not being in jail for the rest of their lives.
		Sure.
		If anybody could say, because the most famous two people in the world in the 90s are put in prison for the rest of their lives, right?
		Then all of this stuff of, oh, half the Democratic Party is a lot of people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When there are not responsibility and there's not accountability or consequences meted out, then it creates fertile territory to make up whatever you want.
		Yep.
		And that is not healthy.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's where Alex makes a lot of his money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jason Burmes, I found his sourcing on some information to be a little troubling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is a good indication of that.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, getting into some of the stuff that isn't talked about a lot, you know, yesterday, Alex, we talked briefly ranch.
		Now, I've been over some articles over there where people can see that this was a place where Epstein wanted to facilitate a baby-making ranch.
		And this place, unlike New York, allegedly has never been investigated rated.
		In fact, it was sold earlier this year.
		And, you know, I'm going to be careful when I say this, but Courtney Love was one of the people inside that black book.
		I ended up getting in touch with Courtney Love's father.
		They had obviously had a falling out by then.
		He had actually made accusations that she was responsible for Kirk Cobain's murder.
		I'm not going to go here nor there.
		But he essentially told me he never came on air, but I have the logs and I've done videos on it, that a lot of girls didn't make it out of the system.
		And when they were used up, they were either taken out to that desert and basically executed or taken out onto the water and thrown overboard.
		And he says he knows this because his daughter told him this.
		And again, I'm not saying that's factual.
		I'm just putting it out there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just putting it out there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have a hearsay that I apparently talked to Courtney Love's dad about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have second-hand information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If this conversation happens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		From notorious, accurate storyteller, Courtney Love.
		Yeah.
		Through a source that actively hates her.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm not saying that you have to not believe everything, Courtney Love says.
		Sure.
		But her dad is an unknown entity in a lot of ways.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not a fan of Courtney Love.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is not what someone who's serious would do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would not report on that as being information worth going on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but you really want to get into this stuff that you don't want to get into.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we'll just leave it at that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He really does seem to have a knack for bringing up stuff that he insists he's not bringing up.
		Courtney Love's dad says that she killed Kurt Cobain.
		Now, I'm not going to touch that.
		This thing that I just brought up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We definitely don't want to exploit any kind of.
		I mean, now, admittedly, in the past three sentences, we've brought up 18 different horrifying, exploitable, sensationalized crimes.
		And then said, no, we're not going to talk about those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm just going to put that out there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just want you to have that in the back of your mind while you hear the rest of my lies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in the middle of this deep dive, Alex discusses that he's kind of getting some special treatment from Elon Musk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's a problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because as you see, there's a lot of people who are seeing his content, but no one's buying shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Say what you want about Musk.
		That's throwing on the gauntlet.
		The New World Order putting us back on there.
		And there's no controls.
		Nobody's blocking us.
		About two weeks ago, about a week into being unbanned, we saw them put a shadow ban on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I made some phone calls, and in two hours, it was gone.
		They have third-party sites that monitor that.
		And they went and checked me out.
		Shadow Ban's been reinstated.
		And boom, I made some calls.
		Boom.
		I mean, through the call spy that works from us, boom.
		I mean, fixed.
		And we're reaching tens of millions a day.
		Absolutely crazy.
		But it's not translating into new listeners from X getting any of the products to InfoWars Store.
		So we can be shut down and we don't get support.
		I've been in major legal battles with the deep state.
		CIA, Justice Department heavily involved, quarterbacking.
		We're still on air.
		Like I told you, we'll stay on air if you support the broadcast.
		But we've been in the red, barely in the black.
		I want to expand during the election cycle.
		I need the funds.
		So please go to Infowarscore.com.
		There's only five or six days left of store-wide free shipping, double patriot points.
		It's the New Year special.
		We'll put it up on screen.
		I think it's five or six days.
		Just go to the front page of InfowarsStore.com.
		You can see the message there.
		Or the banners are on Infowars.com.
		So it's six days left.
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		You hear how good folic acid is, how it's anti-cancer, all that?
		A lot of people's mitochondria have problems processing it, particularly Northern Europeans.
		But this gives everybody energy.
		But if you've had problems with mitochondria because your genes are broken, I had my genetics tested.
		That's how I learned about this.
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dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next level.
		We're in the middle of the deep dive, but we've got to take it.
		There's an oasis in this deep dive, and that is talking about your weird mitochondria product.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		You know, it's weird how many chemicals you can isolate and how many you can just kind of like fabricate.
		You know, that's kind of crazy how many chemicals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's so many.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they can always be exciting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		You know, that's the thing that I really wish we had, like, you know, all those futurist predictions from 1940.
		What will the world look like in 2024?
		All of that stuff.
		All of those.
		I wish there was one cynical asshole that was just like, they are going to unregulate a fucking shit ton of stuff, and you're going to cram it in your body all the time.
		All those things you heard about, oh, you're going to eat pills?
		No, you're not going to eat pills.
		You're going to eat food and then kill yourself with pills for some reason.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is going to excite the shit out of you whenever he has something new in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be the thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Take not Coke to feel like maybe you took Coke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, or Coke.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Coke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we get back to the deep dive.
		Sure.
		I'm kidding.
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dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what was the website?
		So you might notice something.
		Alex's products that he got a cease and desist about, and he got in trouble for selling as a preventative or cure for COVID, those are all sold on Dr. Jones Naturals now.
		That's weird.
		It's weird, suspicious that I wonder, is it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Like, because even though they're related, it doesn't matter.
		Dr. Jones isn't being sued.
		So if Alex wanted to, he could move his entire suite of products over to dr JonesNaturals.com, have Dr. JonesNaturals.com pay an exorbitant advertising fee in order to do all of that stuff on InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what they did with PQPR.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But this is after a bankruptcy settlement, if it's approved and all that, if it's after that, then they can just do it again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I imagine there would be some sort of a difficulty with that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You imagine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do imagine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, I am imagining the opposite.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah.
		No, I understand what you're saying.
		And don't get it twisted.
		I think that's part of what is going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's literally what's going on right here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I also think on another level, it's because Alex got in trouble for selling these products.
		And I don't think that maybe it's a shielding thing where you have those products over there.
		Sure.
		They're not being sold by me.
		I sell Dr. Jones Naturals methyl folate product over here.
		He only sells those on his site, all the silver and stuff.
		It's still the same company.
		It's still all the same.
		The money's all going to Infowars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, ultimately, their biggest problem is how lazy they are with accounting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we get back to the deep dive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this time, I'm not kidding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it all is just this barrage of non-sequiturs and all the Alex's contribution to it is all just the same shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And you look at this.
		This is really their control system.
		I want your view and your take and your expert view.
		We produced films decades ago on this, you and I, on how big this network is and how do we defeat them?
		Because it's hiding in plain view that MI6, MI5, CIA, Mossad, Interpol's huge unit.
		There's been massive child kidnapping rape rings that came out in the Netherlands and France, and Rothschild castles will kidnapped women and children found in the London Guardian reports, you know, 25 years ago.
		I mean, there's so much UN worldwide sex slavery rings in Europe and in Haiti and thousands of kids kidnapped and shipped out.
		And Hillary's Hanebur Foundation goes to prison for smuggling little kids illegally into the U.S. that disappear and then the current open borders and the mass smuggling and sex slavery of children and Senate reports.
		I mean, this is coming out.
		And the transgenderism and sexually targeting children to confuse them and move them to be sterilized.
		I mean, it's about targeting our children.
		So give us your summation.
		Then we'll get into more details of why they're doing this, what they're going to do next, how much danger the globalists are in, and how do we get attention on the Justice Department, not just suppressing Weiner's laptop, which you know is full of this and tied to Hillary and Uma Abedeen and Chucky Schumer, but it's just everywhere.
		This is how they operate.
		I mean, I would say, what, half the Democrats are pedophiles, guesstimation, maybe 15% of the Republicans.
		You know, look at Dennis Haster.
		What?
		You can't shake a stick in the dark and not hit one of these things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		50 versus 15?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't even know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex just makes up numbers.
unidentified		I mean, what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I understand.
		But it's not the numbers that Alex makes up.
		It's the comparison point and what it means inside Alex's brain.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is so crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not, because it really doesn't.
		It doesn't mean Alex believes these people do anything.
		It means I believe Democrats are more evil than Republicans.
		And I'm using all of this stuff.
		I'm exploiting all of this language that you care about to hurt people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
		With the you build up this visceral response and then you exploit it.
		That's the exploitation point.
unidentified		All the borders, and then it's all transgender people's fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That's the point where the exploitation of the extreme response and emotional reaction that you have to these sorts of topics transitions into being targeted at somebody.
		It's targeted at Democratic politicians and LGBTQ folk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is like I emotionally disarm you, and then once you've got no defenses, I go, and it's all transgender people's fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The end.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or at very least, like, Alex isn't actually interested in justice being served.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not interested in the victims of Epstein and his associates.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not interested in a thorough accounting of the people who were actually involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's interested in exploiting this in order to add fuel to the, you know, first of all, anti-LGBTQ narratives that he talks about and the Democrats.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And part of the reason that the Democrats are so evil is they support LGBTQ folk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If every name associated was dealt with appropriately, every single one of them, Alex would still claim that this is all a conspiracy against just Trump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the bottom line, like I said, most of this big presentation, this seems to be the bottom line.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So it's lives within lies.
		We obsess over the client list.
		We obsess over the fly logs.
		Important.
		Gives us ideas, you know, there.
		But that's like knowing somebody is a suspect in a murder.
		And a witness says, I saw John Doe shoot the woman in the back of the head in his yard and put her in the back of his car.
		The police go there, open the back of the trunk, the woman's in the car, and then they go and grab him inside.
		And, you know, under her fingernails is his skin where she scratched him.
		That's open and shut.
		Murder one.
		You're going to the electric chair, going to lethal injection these days.
		So all I'm saying is don't fall for the trap of sitting there.
		And when they bice this in with these people, look, Hollywood's so evil.
		I don't know what Tom Hanks is into, but we need to actually go out to people that we have red-handed, like Bill Clinton, like Bill Gates.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, I mean, this is just a don't be sucked in by the client list.
unidentified		No, no, no, don't, don't, don't get killed by association just in case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That really seems to be the overwhelming point that he's getting at.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He brings it up over and over again, and it's a little transparent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the only reasonable response to this list is, get them.
		That's it.
		You know, do it.
		I mean, it's so obvious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If it's not get them, it's let's deal with this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is like the list came out, and then everybody on the list should be arrested tomorrow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but from what I understand, the actual thing that was revealed was not that much more information than was already available.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I imagine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there is still more information to come and stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which says even worse things.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So speaking of even worse things.
		We now get to Brother Nathaniel showing up.
		You may have forgotten.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did forget.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was destined to arrive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex introduces him in a dishonest way.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I have seen this guy for 15 years online.
		And Brother Nathaniel Kapner joins us.
		He was born to two Jewish parents and arranged traditional Judaism in a synagogue.
		Having attended Hebrew school, Sabbath school, and regular synagogue services, he felt from his bar mitzvah days that something was missing in Judaism.
		At the age of 19, he read the New Testament and the first time was convinced that Jesus was the Messiah later on.
		It's adult life.
		He felt necessary to start a real Jews news website and video to point of the dominant influence of Jewry in all fascist American life.
		And this is part of a series I'm doing where we have Nick Fuentez on, and then I'm going to have Ezra Levant.
		I think it's awesome on.
		I love Jews.
		I love Muslims.
		I love everybody.
		I want to be clear about that.
		But I think we should hear what the different sides are saying.
		And I used to see Kapner very entertaining and, you know, kind of being aggressive and mad at certain groups.
		I think now I've seen his videos.
		Pretty powerful things he says about Christ and about the Orthodox Church.
		And I'm not part of that.
		I'm just a Christian with the Holy Spirit.
		And I think it's important to have these dialogues and then ask him questions here today that I have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that he's actually all that associated with the Orthodox Church.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he's just a madman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's mentally unwell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is definitely true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you can see a bit of the sleight of hand trick Alex is trying to pull here, where he's acting as if he's doing a series of interviews where the different parties are either pro- or anti-Israel.
		That's where rebel media head Ezra Levant comes in.
		He's pro-Israel, and Alex referenced interviewing him to get that perspective.
		The problem is that the other side that he's interviewing isn't actually anti-Israel.
		They're anti-Semites.
		Brother Nathaniel couches his anti-Semitism in an opposition to Israel.
		So does Nick Fuentes.
		And let's throw yay into that pile.
		Alex doesn't actually have any representation of a real non-bigot opposition to Israel position on his show.
		The only two sides are extremist support of Israel and varying degrees of crypto anti-Semitism.
		You can easily see the problem that this presents.
		There are very many understandable reasons to be critical of Israel's government right now.
		And in fact, it's very difficult to conjure up a sensible defense for their government's actions in Gaza.
		Alex's audience is very primed to be receptive to the anti-Israel positions.
		And by having outright anti-Semites be the only representation of that position on his show, Alex is funneling his audience directly towards hate.
		This isn't an accident.
		It's a fundamental dynamic of the entire information space that Alex exists inside of.
		Most people who have credibility or are sincere actors probably wouldn't agree to come on InfoWars, but there are some who would do it.
		Alex would never want that kind of person being the voice of opposition to Israel's actions in Gaza because it would be too difficult of a conversation for him and it would risk them pushing back on other essential parts of his game.
		Because he only really associates with other people who are also playing games themselves.
		This is what we get.
		And let me be clear.
		I'm not just talking shit and accusing Nathaniel of being anti-Semitic when he actually just doesn't like the Israeli government.
		He did a three-part series on his website called How Jews Think.
		And I'll just read off a couple of the points that he brings up.
		Quote, the Jew loves being in control.
		The Jew loves to be at the top of the ladder.
		If Christianity were again to be in predominance in America, the Jew would be horror-struck.
		For then, he would have the finger pointed at him that he is a Christ denier, a stubborn, stiff-necked hater of Jesus Christ, and a supporter of the Jews who brought Christ to Pilate to have him crucified.
		So we got Deicide gone.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's another one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Always a good one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, the Jew will use every means possible to undermine Christianity in whatever nation he may reside.
		He will always cry, look what they did to us, as if he's an innocent lamb without any faults.
		But whenever someone shows why, quote, they did this to them, he shouts back, you're an anti-Semite.
		So this has to do with Nathaniel's frequently stated belief that it was the actions of Jewish people that were to blame for Hitler's decision to do the Holocaust, which Nathaniel also thinks is a hoax, which is kind of confusing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is confusing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's another one.
		Quote, the Jew does not like to perform manual labor.
		To make money, the Jew is dependent on the labors of others.
		Therefore, the Jew is primarily found in service professions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very explicit in his writing that he isn't just opposed to Israel or Zionism.
		He believes that he is at war against the Jews.
		In one of his articles titled, quote, How the Jews are destroying America, he says, quote, Jews, mostly Zionists, have spearheaded every movement that now threatens our destruction.
		He makes a distinction between Jews and Zionists, and it's clear he's talking about Jewish people as a whole.
		He proceeds to say, quote, what can we do to stop the Jews?
		Will we fear and quake before the buzzword of anti-Semite, or will we stand in battle for the survival of Christian civilization?
		It's up to all of us to wage war against the Jews, especially we Christians, for America will either be a Christian America or a Jewish America.
		There is no in-between.
		Alex is professing to have a solid awareness of this guy's work.
		He's been watching him for a decade.
		This is the work that this dude puts out.
		Alex has every reason to know exactly what he's doing.
		There is no leg to stand on that he thinks that this is going to be any kind of other conversation than what it is.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fucking garbage.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So one of the things that, like, as we, you know, I've given you a little bit of an understanding of what Nathaniel does, what his product is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it becomes really difficult to stomach this when you realize, as Alex explicitly says here, he invited him on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so, brother Nathaniel Kappner, you can start wherever you want here.
		I just thought it'd be interesting to have you on.
		So, thank you for accepting the invitation.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		There's a war going on, and Sun Tzu says, and they are, you must know who the enemy is.
		Or we're shadow boxing, as St. Paul says.
		I know who the enemy is.
		I can go right to the Bible, and I can go to the book of the apocalypse.
		And our Lord, God, and Savior, Jesus Christ, said it twice.
		The synagogue of Satan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're off to a bad start.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And if you want to look him up, get a visual of this guy.
		Because I think he might look exactly like you imagine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So if you pull out your phone and want to look him up, by all means, feel free to do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, Brother Nathaniel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's the last name?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember at this point.
		I just keep calling.
		As my naming of clips went down, I went from Brother Nathaniel to Nathaniel to Nathan to Nate.
		It just got less and less formal.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, this is, you know what?
		You know what makes it easier to look for it?
		Brother Nathaniel, anti-semit.
		Oh, my God.
		He looks exactly like what I thought he would look like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His voice matches his appearance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everything about it.
		Yep.
		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he gets even more explicit.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Jews are the enemy.
		They run everything in this country.
		But they run internationally all the Western governments through money.
		The famous saying, I'm sure you know it, Alex, by Mayor Amshel Rothschild, give me a control of a nation's money.
		And I care not who makes its law.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So no one can provide a citation for that quote.
		People have searched far and wide for any evidence that it was actually said by Mayor Amshel Rothschild, and they've come up with nothing.
		It feels like something that he would have said, and it works really well for conspiracy theories.
		So it's regurgitated nonstop.
		But when you hear somebody repeat that, they're probably not somebody who cares that much about facts.
		Probably someone playing a little fast and loose.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Generally speaking, quotes are just leave them alone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's one thing that I've learned from this show over the course of doing it and seeing Alex's constant fake and dubious quotes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the mark of, you know, what the problem is, though, is when someone is able to quote literature or something like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is very.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a mark of somebody who's well-read.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every happy family is the same, and every unhappy family is different.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Simple.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who said that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So this is Karamazov.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Close.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Debatably close.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Debatably close.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he believes that the Jews are the enemy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Not great.
		Terrible.
		Terrible.
		He believes they control everything, including the stock market.
		And this becomes an issue for Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, that specifically is the problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because of a relative of his that I forgot about.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		So this is what I grew up in with a father, strong orthodox Jew, strong religious and racial identity, who was not a Zionist, who understood where the money comes from.
		My dad knew it because he played the stocks.
		His brother, his younger brother, made over a million dollars in the stock market, never worked a day in his life.
		And my other brother was a stockbroker.
		His other brother was a stockbroker.
		I think I understand some things that, excuse the expression, that Goyem could never understand.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was actually my ancestor, direct lineage paternal, who invented the stock exchange.
		He was English.
		His name was Gresham.
		His symbol was the grasshopper.
		You say the Jews invented the stock market.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Well, they did.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you want to say somebody somewhere here invented it, but the one who internationalized it was Jewry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		That's your dodge.
		Okay, fine.
		Your weirdo daddy.
		Your weirdo relative invented it.
		But the Jews popularized it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like hip-hop.
		It's one that I forget from time to time of Alex's lineage.
		Gresham, the inventor of the stock market.
		He's everything, every single important.
		He's like the Steve Pieczenik of lineage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Every important person.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got related to that person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cool, man.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So one thing that I think is strange is that Alex has had this guy on.
		He says that he knows what his vibe is.
		She's been aware of this guy.
		He invited him to come on.
		He's out of the box, said that Jews are the enemy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, that was a bad move.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but what's even a weirder move is Alex is trying to find common ground with him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, we're all people, you know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		At the core.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Larry M. Shaw Rothschild was right.
		Give me a control of the nation's money.
		I don't care who makes his laws.
		And this is what Larry Fink of BlackRock is part of.
		It's part of this whole Rothschild orbit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Fink did say we're going to control everybody's.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		You control corporations.
		You control media.
		You can control every hack on Capitol Hill with money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Larry Fink will never go to jail.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Never.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee you, he will never go to jail.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Larry Fink did say repeatedly, we will control everybody's behavior with money.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he does.
		He owns large shares in Disney.
		So he's part of this woke thing because the whole, and I learned this from a child, the whole thing about Jewry is to destroy Christianity.
		Now, if they can't destroy Jesus Christ, which is impossible, they'll do everything they can to undermine his teachings.
		And one of the teachings of the Bible, okay, is that the male and the female come together for procreation and holy matrimony.
		So they're going after that.
		They're going after that first, and they're going after the youth.
		Me and you, they're not going to get Alex.
		Okay?
		We're over 50.
		The over 50 crowd they could care less about.
		It's the nine-year-olds, the 10-year-olds.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on.
		We got to go to break.
		I want to come back and debate you on this because I just think.
		Well, let's just talk about it.
		We'll be right back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's not a debate.
		Not a debate.
		Alex is trying to find common ground desperately by being like, oh, I don't like Larry Fink either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I mean, what are we doing here?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's something that I think.
		Here's what something might be true.
		If you let somebody like Brother Nathaniel or Alex Jones or whatever lay out a long enough plan, you, like Alex Jones, will find a personal connection to why it is not true.
		You know, you'll find something where you're like, you know, no, I remember my ancestor created this.
		Totally.
		I think that's the weird thing about how interconnected we all are.
		You know, like that whole statistical thing where there's 100 people in a room, there's everyone has the same birthday.
		Something like that.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		One of those things.
		Like, if you let these people talk long enough, you will personally know they're lying to you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you're a liar like Alex, the confidence.
		The converse is true.
		You let a guy talk like this long enough, you'll find things that are like you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, let me even distill this down even further.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'll hear constant things that you agree with, but you'll find something that's safe for you to agree with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That you can't help but have to agree with Claude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So Alex, you know, I will never say to his credit, but he does try to defend Jewish people.
		And that doesn't go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I imagine that's not going to go well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I want to just have a big tent.
		And I see a lot of Jews that, you know, call in and on the street that support me, that are just conservatives and are good people, like your dad was.
		And, you know, we had all these great Jewish people on over the years, you know, doctors and scientists that are fighting tyranny.
		And I just think it's not fair to them to say this is a Jewish conspiracy.
		You can say there's an organized global, you know, different racial crime groups.
		And we know that's real.
		And I get opposed by those groups.
		So that's all I'm trying to say.
		I'm going to give you the floor now.
		I'm going to shut up.
		Go ahead.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, let's name some names.
		Let's start with that.
		And let's see what their race is and what's the head of Disney.
unidentified		Robert Iger and Alan Frank.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like the way he said it.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		They're Jews.
		What are they doing?
		Well, they get a lot of money from Larry Bink of BlackRock, who's into woke to destroy the youth, to get them to cut off their penises and stick in uteruses.
unidentified		Okay?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		They're Jews.
		There's two Jews.
		Let me give you another Jew.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't say it all.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Albert Aborla, I think his name.
		Greek descent ethnically, but Jew racially.
		He is the head dude of the clutch shot.
		A poison in your vein.
		The mRNA.
		It's not a vaccine.
		He's a Jew.
		There's two.
		Okay, medical, the Jew.
		Culture, the Jew.
		Disney, okay, Pfizer.
		All right, he's the CEO of Pfizer.
		Of course, he's a front man.
		There's money behind it.
		Jewish money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex, what are you doing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to debate this guy, by which I mean let him list off the names and ethnicities of everyone that he can think of at any given point in time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		Cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is dark.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know what always confuses me about these?
		I mean, it doesn't actually confuse me, but I get it.
		It's just like, man, there are so many CEOs.
		I get that you can list off, you know, and that, I mean, to a lot of people, it seems like, how many CEOs could there possibly?
		There's so many of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are a bunch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's so many.
		I mean, it doesn't matter how many under like 150 CEOs.
		I don't care what your sample size is.
		Isn't that the point of demographics?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and also, I mean, like, these people that you're taking aim at are about conspiracy nonsense.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's valid criticisms of Disney, and they're not yours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're not the ones you're making.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Valid criticisms of Pfizer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's not that it's a clot shot or whatever bullshit you're going in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Seems, I don't know.
		It's just all very stupid.
		And I mean, like, I can't stress enough how pathetic it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just Alex sitting there and just like, I'm just going to let this guy name off people and demonize them about their Jewishness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we couldn't even sit there without going, oh, no, like it should be a physical visceral reaction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, you shouldn't, I didn't think, oh, I should react this way to this input.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but Alex doesn't have that same input.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a bad thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So apparently the Jewish people took over the country back in 1913.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		1913.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Fed, the Fed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, for sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Nate talks about that a little bit.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm always going to go back to this, and it's going in one ear out the other, not with you, but with others.
		Give me a control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws.
		America lost its sovereignty in 1913 when the Jews from Europe, headed by Paul Warburg and his brother, Max Warburg, who were connected to the Rothschild dynasty.
		Those are the boys, and they took over our money printing.
		And you, Andrew Jackson, wanted nothing to do with it.
		He's the real hero.
		Are we going to have another Andrew Jackson?
		You're not going to get in there with Trump because he is tied into Jewish money with all his real estate.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Trump's daughter is married to a Jew, so he's got Jewish.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's a Jew because his first wife is a Jew, Alex.
		I know this because every boyish girl who wants to convert to Judaism to marry a Jewish boy, Jared, has to go through the mikbah.
		These are something I understand.
		Nobody else does.
		She never did.
		She didn't have to because Ivana is a Jew.
		You look at her face.
		We all know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's what I want to do.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I know.
		Look at my face.
		We know each other.
		Okay.
		She never went through the mikbah.
		She's already a Jew because Jews trace their race and erase everything.
		It's everything to the mother.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I mean, this interview should have ended.
		There's no reason to continue this interview.
		I mean, past the point where he says Jews are the enemy, like maybe 40 seconds into talking to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's much reason to ask him questions about who Ivanka decided to marry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say to everyone listening, there are plenty of people.
		You know, there's tons of people who are already on board, but there are plenty of people who might push back, right?
		Refer back to the tomato conversation and then listen to that and then see if your opinions have changed.
		Maybe back then, maybe an hour ago, you were like, oh, I think tomatoes are the wrong way to go.
		And then you listen to that.
		You've already got a tomato in the air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems hard not to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And lock and load your members of the nightshade family because it gets worse.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		See, when Jesus said the synagogue of Satan, he is talking collective.
		Jews operate as a collective.
		You want to find out how many Jewish organizations there are?
		You can't count them.
		There's probably a thousand of them because Jews operate as a collective.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Probably a thousand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a real countable number.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		But he won't never condemn the Pharisees for crucifying our Lord, God, and Savior.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we at the place now still where it's like, oh, you're not condemning this act of terrorism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The killing of Christ several thousand years ago.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your neighbor, who happens to be Jewish, might be a perfectly nice person, but still a member of the synagogue of Satan.
		See, that makes me think that this isn't about Israel.
		This isn't about Zionism at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't feel like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This seems like Nazi fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do like the idea of my next interview series is going to be all the different flavors of Nazi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to figure out what shade of beige goes best with what form of uniform.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I think that obviously having an interview series with people like this, that maybe could be something that is useful to public understanding.
		But it would have to be someone very well equipped and prepared to have an adversarial interview with someone like this.
		But, you know, knowing what people in these mires think about and talk like, maybe that could be profitable to people's understanding of like people actually do think this and they have an audience and it's like these people exist.
		Maybe that does help some public awareness.
		Alex Jones is not the person to do that.
		He's not equipped.
		And he's not even setting out to do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And I mean, he's promoting this guy.
		And considering the number of this nuts he dresses well we've read over the years.
		Yeah, Lord knows who's fucking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who.
		And far be it from me to be pretending that I could do it.
		I couldn't have a conversation with this guy that would be productive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to more than I could, or I don't even want to think about whether or not I could.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to either, but I don't harbor labor under the delusion that, like, oh, put me on the mic with him and I will do a responsible, effective interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I could.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not trying to mark Wahlberg this plane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, certainly not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex asks him, I guess he wants to get off the track a little bit.
		And he asks him about his conversion to Christianity.
		And so he tells.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's going to keep you back on the safe deck, isn't it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a long story.
		It's a long story.
		It has to do with his rabbi spitting when he hears about Jesus.
		Yeah, it's a mess.
		But it goes so long.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I just cut to the part where Alex takes issue with somebody.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		And I was with the Jews for Jesus movement.
		I handed out the booklets with them and all that.
		And I knew all the time that there was something missing in Judaism.
unidentified		So with them, but not full-time.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Because I wanted to make money.
		I was a good Jewish boy.
		I wanted to make money.
		And I became a salesman.
		But I would hand out booklets with them.
		Jesus made me kosher.
unidentified		If you don't like being born, try being born again.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you again.
unidentified		Nice.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Don't want you to continue your story.
		Only Jews want to make money.
		I mean, this is just, come on.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I am saying, yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You say you're not a.
		Listen, here's my deal.
		Here's the deal.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to have a little bit of a picture.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I cannot sit there and say one group of people.
		Let me ask you this.
		This is a serious question.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm asking you some names.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question.
		I understand.
		It's like Alan Dershowitz said Jews shouldn't apologize for being successful.
		Okay.
		The point is.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I never said that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I said Alan Dershowitz said it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your buddy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's on Twitter.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's on exploit.
unidentified		On a list.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Alan Dershowitz says Jews should never apologize for being successful.
unidentified		On a list.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying nobody.
		Here's the deal.
		Here's the deal.
		I've been successful with my listeners supporting me, and I don't have any groups, not the CIA, not the FBI, not the ADL tell me what to do.
		Okay?
		So I know damn well my audience and myself built this operation.
		So I'm just tired of apportioning magical power to Jews.
		And then if I slip on a banana pill tonight, money buys politicians.
		Answer my question.
		So you think only Jews like money?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I never said that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You keep saying the Jews.
		I was a good Jewish boy.
		I wanted money.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		It's one thing to make money.
		It's another thing to print money out of thin air.
		You and I would be counterfeit if we did that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, man, he is just like so desperate to find a safe way to attack this guy that he makes up something.
		That's weird.
		Alex's impulses here are very weird because I hate Nathaniel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And even I can tell that I wanted to make money like a good Jewish boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I could tell that's a joke.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex intentionally is misreading that to have a safe way to kind of pretend that he's pushing back.
		That's what he's doing.
		He's trying to create the appearance of disagreement in some way as opposed to the fundamental disagreement that he should have with this guy, which he doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It is not a disagreement.
		If you say, listen, I know the stereotype, but I'm an extremely greedy person.
		That doesn't help.
		That doesn't help anybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You're just reinforcing a stereotype?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Via association.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's another angle of this, too, that I think is really interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't really fully understand how to flesh out and explain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know how Alex constantly says that people take things that he says in jest or satire and then they attack him over it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's doing that to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's doing the thing that he says everybody else does to him, which is the constant dynamic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we get to Putin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I wish we didn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He likes Putin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm unsurprised.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm unsurprised.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they talk about Putin here, and Alex concedes something that is bizarre.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The globalists, whoever you say runs it, go after anybody trying to create their own monetary system.
		Qaddafi, Saddam, you're right.
		They always start a war.
		So are you expecting a war or start over?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		They can't get rid of Vladimir Putin.
		They would love to.
		They're using Ukraine boys, these poor Christian boys, to get rid of Vladimir Putin because they've got this crazy woman who was born Noodleman.
		Her name is Victoria Newell.
		Newland now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Nulan, yeah.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		She changed it to a Goyasha name.
		That's Goyasha.
		Nulin.
		She was born a Noodleman, okay?
		Because I know this.
		We all know this.
		Okay.
		She's the one that wants to destroy Putin.
		Jews hate Russia because Russia is now revitalizing what is known in Carmen Parlance, the Byzantine Empire.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, stop there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's true that he's revitalized the Byzantine Empire.
unidentified		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait, why are you agree?
		That's not in line with the things that you say all the time, Alex.
		Putin's trying to revitalize the Byzantine Empire?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was just trying to protect Russians in the Donbas region.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, or at the very least, try denazification as a reconstitute the Byzantine Empire.
		Yeah, that one does sound, and I'm going to throw this word out there, imperial.
		A little.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Revitalize the Byzantine Empire.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Good stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you want to revitalize an empire.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Generally speaking, revitalize suggests that it returns to similar, if not greater, position of power.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you have lost territory, revitalizing that might be retaking or perhaps invading other people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not the greatest expert on empires and maybe geographical history and stuff like that, but was Russia even in the Byzantine Empire?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was it more Mediterranean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		I mean, I think it extended east enough to count for some of Russia, but it wasn't like all of Russia.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking at maps here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I pulled up a map here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It goes east enough to touch Russia, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		I don't know.
		Well, maybe the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that reveals far more than we really wanted to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yep.
		That is the video.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, Nathan, Nathaniel, Nate, he knows people who know Putin.
unidentified		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because of course all of these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really don't think he does.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Putin looks at the long range.
		That's how he's operating his military operation in Ukraine.
		Not to just go in and destroy and destroy.
		He's looking at the long range of attrition.
		He's a very clever man.
		I know people in my Orthodox church who know him personally.
		And they tell me things that no one else is going to know about him.
		I know how he operates.
		So he is in it for the long term.
		Now, 2024 may be a lousy year for us, Alex.
		And I include you with us.
		I do.
		Okay?
		Because you're fighting for a sovereign America.
		And I am too.
		But the difference between you and me is I name the names who are the real enemies who are really controlling these things.
		Because this is the whole Jewish mind I grew up with.
		How are we going to control the Glam?
		Because the Jews look upon the Glam as stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		So, Alex, what are you doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck are you doing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to debate this person who I disagree with violently about their anti-Semitism.
		Now, I will give them the floor to list the names and ethnicities of, and then I'm also going to let him spout as much anti-Semitic bullshit as possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Vile nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not going to push back on it beyond to say that, you know what?
		I think sometimes he takes one single stereotype a little bit too far in a joke.
		Humoristic.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then I'm also going to allow him to say that we're alike, but the difference is that I name names and you don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're a coward.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would really want to let that one slide.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So instead of being too upset about that, Alex decides to go ahead and plug his website.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Great!
		People can find you.
		What's the best place for people to find?
		We'll do 50 more minutes, but we're all on your reports if they want to.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Real junior news.
		I do videos.
		State-of-the-art videos.
		My graphics will blow people away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		State-of-the-art.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a Marvel film of all dialogue with everybody, and then listeners get mad about it.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Alex, I want you to tell you.
		I want to tell you, they banned Bible with brother.
		I wanted to just do the Bible.
		I was reaching to kids, 16, 17, 18.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, we got to go to the funding.
		We got to go to break.
		And speaking of making money, I got to make money to fund this operation, the crew, the satellites, the legal stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Trump, too.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I think Trump's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think Trump's great.
		Good instincts.
		So they canceled Bible with Brother.
		Can you believe it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is about as horrifically anti-Semitic as like Dean Martin on one of those roasts in the 60s.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, big picture, I get a real bad vibe from this guy, even despite what he's saying.
		Like, if you take what he's saying out of it, the way he's communicating and such makes me feel bad.
		Yeah.
		If I were somebody who was in an interview position, I wouldn't feel comfortable with this, even if he wasn't saying all this horrible shit about Jewish people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got the wrong meter for the way you can.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not good.
		So Alex comes back.
		I don't know why.
		Why are you continuing this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought the part of the like, hey, we got to go to break was a little bit of a, we can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I need to do a plug.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, and then I can get you 15 minutes more with you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex, this clip is just titled, Alex Asks Stupid Questions and Gets Stupid Answers.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, are you saying, do you believe the Khazarian thing that Ashkenazi aren't Jews?
		Or is it the Babylonian captivity or Sephardics the real Jews?
		Are you saying they're all Jews?
		I mean, there's a lot of questions.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		We laughed at the Khazar theory as kids.
		This is a theory by some scholar was made popular by Arthur Kessler called the 13th Tribe.
		Jews off the hook for deicide.
		Oh, boy.
		There are still Jews today because everyone's a Khazar.
		They didn't crucify Christ as a collective.
		So it's just a stupid Khazarian myth.
		It's totally ahistorical.
		No historian worth his words.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		If Jews are a collective, Jews are getting the stars.
		Hold on, Let me ask you a question.
		If Jews are a collective, I'm asking you a question.
		I'm asking.
		Hold on.
		Okay, hold on, hold on.
		Let me ask you a question.
		Let me ask you a question.
		Is it the Sanhedrin and is the Sanhedrin secretly operating?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Jews don't need a Sanhedrin.
		They don't need it.
		It's called the Synagogue of Satan.
		They're all connected to it through money, through culture, for the destruction of Christian mores.
		Now, you want to bring out transhumanism, transgenderism, the main money makers of Jewish surgeons, the main pushers of transgenderism.
		Those who own the media.
		I used to live near the owner of CBS.
		His name was Murray Rothstein.
		He changed his name to Sumner Redstone, like he's some blue-blooded Yankee.
		We laughed at him.
		But the Goyam don't know.
		And he started this MTV to destroy the youth.
		Now, I wanted to just talk about my Bible with Brother.
		I decided I'm going to just do Bible with Brother on YouTube.
		I'm not going to do any politics.
		But I wanted to be really cool and I wanted to reach the youth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Seems likely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be real cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think this person is someone that I would want to put on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say counseling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that would be good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think it would take.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that here's the bottom line, too.
		If you go to his website and you watch any of his state-of-the-art videos, I was worried.
		I think you would immediately come away with the impression: I don't think I want to talk to this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think this is going to be fruitful.
		I think you'd predict it would go like this.
		And Alex instead has been watching this guy for a decade and decided I'm going to have him on as the voice of opposition to Israel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every time, every time, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, MTV made it to ruin the youth.
		They did.
		I'm glad that's still around.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But see, his perspective that MTV was created to destroy the youth is evidence for me that his Bible with Brother show would be really cool and it would reach the youth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's a question.
		But here's the thing I have.
		Here's a thought.
		All right.
		MTV created way back when the people who MTV was ostensibly created to corrupt, they're in their 50s and 60s now.
		They're brother Nathaniel's age group.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So is he ruined?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Has he not wrestled with the fact that perhaps he watched one MTV?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He watched the grind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One time.
		You know, and that's all it takes.
		I was in dare.
		It only takes one time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Sure.
		What else?
		120 minutes?
		You watch that?
		Fucked him up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Some Michelle Gondry music videos made it, that Foo Fighters Everlong one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll mess you up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That'll screw you up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The hands.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't come up with a better example than the grind because that's so fucked up that that was a show.
		I'll be honest.
		I don't get into the bashing of MTV as destroying a generation or any of that nonsense.
		But it is weird that the grind existed because that was just a show where you were watching people in bikinis dance.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing else to that show, as I recall, than just half-naked people while music played.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're dancing at like some resort on spring break.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What I find fascinating about that is that it is like the weirdo perverts version of being high at 3 a.m. and just watching like diagrams move on the screen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, it is, it is, and it's not, it's just like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't even like a thing where it's like, we're going to teach you a dance.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a thing where it's like, this is a good cardiovascular exercise.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dancing.
		It can be some good burn some calories.
		It was just people grinding on each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it wasn't even, and it wasn't even like bringing something that wouldn't be where you are.
		You know, like Soul Train.
		Soul Train sent so much into the homes of people who could not experience it.
		You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, debatably, like, you know, I understand you can't get a beach full of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you could watch a movie that Elvis was in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think the grind was only on during spring break, but that's the one that sticks out in your memory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is true.
		Yeah.
		It's always spring break somewhere.
		That's the rule of the ground.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know where it's never spring break?
		Bible with brother.
		So anyway, I agree.
		You may be surprised to learn that the Jews canceled Bible with brother.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I decided I'm going to just do Bible with brother on YouTube.
		I'm not going to do any politics.
		But I wanted to be really cool and I wanted to reach the youth.
		I wasn't interested in preaching to the choir.
		Okay.
		Now, what happens?
		I get 3,000 or 4,000 comments from kids.
		You don't think the kids don't know who's going to comment section?
		They have a profile on everybody on YouTube.
		Okay, everybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm safe.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		After I get a million views per month, shut me down.
		Done.
		For what?
		I thought this must be an algorithm because I'm using biblical language.
		Maybe they thought it was political language.
		They would not tell me.
		Now they got some Hindu that take place of Waschitsky.
unidentified		Okay?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Wasitski still runs that.
		They put some brown-skid Hindu on, like Robbie Shankar and Google.
		I know who owns it.
unidentified		Whoa.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't Larry Rabinowitz who changed his name to Brian.
		And it wasn't Sergei Rabinowitz.
		And it wasn't Larry Page.
		There were two boys at Stanford.
		And someone from the Mossad who is connected with the CIA because they are interlinked started Jugal with those two boys.
		But they didn't need him anymore.
		They got rid of them.
		So I know who got rid of Bible with Brother.
		It wasn't the Hindu, okay?
		The brown-skinned dude, the window dressing.
unidentified		I knew who it was.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		It was Susan Waschitsky and the tribe, the synagogue of Satan, the collective.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's all exhausting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not the response to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is not the response to that.
		You did this, Alex.
		That is not the response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is exhausting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do your job then, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do agree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is exhausting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no shit.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's only one person to blame for that, and it's not Brother Nathaniel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It really isn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It really isn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's doing exactly what you would do in this situation if you're a bigot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to spout your bigotry on this large platform that you're being afforded.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is to blame for this shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Brother has the feel of somebody who cannot stop themselves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's why he did Bible with Brother.
		Yeah.
		So Alex, undeterred by all of this, decides: hey, man, you seem like an astute mind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope, I disagree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about your prediction for the election.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Turns out, Vivek, not going to win.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think so.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How do you see this election going?
		Even, brother, you're saying it's going to be a rough year.
		We're 10 months out.
		You seem like a heady guy.
		What do you think is going to happen?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Heady.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll be rigged.
		It's either rigged at the ballot box or it's going to be rigged at the White House.
		So either way, it's going to be rigged.
		Okay.
		Vivek's got some great things.
		He's never going to get in.
		We know that.
		They're not called that some Hindu idea.
		Okay.
		That's not going to happen.
		They may allow Trump to get in.
		They may allow that.
		Okay, but you see, with Trump, it's not that the Jews hate Trump.
		They don't.
		They fear his followers.
		They see what themselves.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's okay.
unidentified		Wow.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		USA.
		This is nationalism.
		Okay.
		The meme nationalism.
		Where there's nationalism, the Jew sinks down.
		So it's not Trump that the Jews hate and trying to destroy.
		They despise, they fear his followers because those are the white Christians, the patriots, who, in a drop of a dime, can turn against Israel and say, hey, why are there so many Jews running everything?
		Why are the Jews able to put this money out of thin air?
		Why are the Jews pushing a woke?
		Why is the media pushing transgenderism and homosexuality?
		Why are the Jews putting all these lesbians in charge of the mayor's money?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Jews say they fear the Great Awakening.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		That's the people.
		They fear the people of the Great Awakening.
		I don't go into abstracts.
		Jews don't go into abstracts.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know what Alex could have expected other than that when he asked what your prediction for the election is.
		I mean, I guess he probably was maybe thinking of like, what's your candidate you think is going to do well?
		Maybe you want to talk about Nikki Haley?
		That's fun.
		Making fun of her.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, that is the thing, though.
		For me, that is the line that I always feel like if you're going to say that, you have to back it up.
		If you say confidently the election is rigged and it's going to be rigged, your only next sentence is: we have to overthrow the United States government.
		You cannot tell me anything else.
		Otherwise, fuck you.
		Otherwise, fuck you.
		I don't care.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The flip side of it could be nihilism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but you don't have to encourage overthrowing the government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could just be like, nothing matters.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
		You have effectively brought us to a binary.
		You know, like, I'm an excuse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you care about politics and you believe that every single election will be rigged.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, then either don't care or overthrow the United States government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm just saying that's the other side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But that's that is, but I mean, that is my point.
		You know, like any other response you have, you have brought it to the binary.
		You've brought it to the line that cannot be crossed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But here's the problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, this guy, I think, is saying overthrow the U.S. government, but by virtue of hating Jews.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think that he is passing your test just in the wrong way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I suppose, yes, that because he believes that, well, yeah, I guess you're right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, if his prescription for like making sure we don't have rigged elections is disallowing Jewish people from having any position of power or expelling them from the country, then, you know, he has theoretically taken a perverted version of what you're saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose you're right.
		Yeah, I suppose you're right.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex, on the other hand, is he fails your test.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So speaking of failing, Alex fails in any sense because he likes this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I mean, he likes this guy.
		He's been watching him for 15 years.
		Over a decade.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've sat here and I've debated some of the most prominent names and obsess on Jews all day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, don't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you've not done this.
		So I think you're being fair, but they always describe that I'm controlled by Jews.
		I'm controlled by me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Check out his website, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm in charge of all this.
		I really believe in what I'm doing.
		I'm trying to create unity around ideas that transcend all this.
		And you became a Christian, and you, you know, and I believe you're right about, you know, Christ is obviously the Messiah.
		You can feel it, you can see it.
		It's incredible.
		Any demonic attacks, Christ's name is all powerful.
		It's real.
		People I know that aren't even Christian get attacked spiritually.
		They ask for God's protection.
		It happens.
		But again, it's baby out with a bathwater.
		Why don't we have an outreach to everybody, the Hindus, the Jews, the Muslims, everybody?
		Because I pull back here and I see the left, the universities, Google, the CIA backing Islam right now.
		And I see this weird right-wing anti-Jew alliance with Islam attacking Israel.
		And you say, you know, if Israel went away today, that's a tiny little country.
		What would that do?
		I see it as a cop-out.
		I think the hearts of men are desperately wicked, as the Bible says.
		And I don't think Jews have a monopoly.
		And I don't think they're immune from it either.
		But I really don't prescribe an ascribe mythical powers.
		I think you're an interesting guy.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		You describe mythical powers.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Kappner, you're very likable.
		I mean, like Larry David, super funny likable.
		I mean, I'll be point blank.
		I think Jews are pretty funny, likable people.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Heat on a picture of Jesus Christ.
		That's despicable.
		Now, there's no such thing as a good Jew.
		It's oxymoron.
		Because if you identify as a Jew, you identify with the Christ crucifiers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, Alex likes this guy.
		He's very likable.
		He's very likable.
		This guy hates Jewish people.
		He uses a K-Slur bit on his website.
		Great.
		Which is definitely a sign that he's invested in a conversation about Israel and power and Zionism as it exists politically as opposed to just being a fucking bigot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's what he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex understands that, but is refusing to act as if that is the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, this is reminiscent of like doctors' panels in the 50s where it's like, we've got 13 white men to determine how to deal with black women's health issues.
		And you're like, well, surprise, not well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Alex, I just don't understand his insistence in pretending that this conversation has anything to do with Israel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, if Israel disappears tomorrow, you know, like, oh, like, that has nothing to do with this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is out-and-out Nazis.
		This is literal Nazi.
		There's no other way to describe a thing that is Nazism more than it's Nazism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's funny you should bring that up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he about to say that this is not Nazism?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Alex decides, hey, why not ask him what he thinks of Nicola?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to ask him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet this is going to be a good answer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure, it is.
		Then what do you think of Adolf Hitler?
		Because I think Adolf Hitler was power man.
		You could look at him.
		He glowed with satanic energy.
		I mean, you could just look at him.
		He's powerful, but you're like, whoa, that's evil.
		I mean, he exudes satanic energy.
		Are you saying you have to have discernment?
		You look at a speech of Hitler.
		You look at his eyes, and you're telling me that's not Count Dracula?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at his pictures with children.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		That's what I do.
		I look at body language.
		I study body language.
		I was a straight commission salesman for 25 years.
		I know body language.
		The children love Adolf Hitler.
		Now, I just, oh, yeah, it says a lot.
		I don't see any evil.
		They didn't see any evil.
		You know who can pick up evil?
		Children.
		Like that.
		Children love me.
		Okay, they just look at me.
		Other people, they're children.
		They want to come up to me.
		They want to hug me.
		They want to talk to me, whatever.
		Okay, but I'm very careful I don't touch children.
		Okay.
		So I don't know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you think Adolf Hitler was good?
		Okay.
		What is Brother John?
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying anyone is perfectly good.
		I would never say that because we're human beings.
		Okay.
		We all have shades of everything.
		Now, Hitler's main concern.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But he was anti-Christian.
		Hitler was anti-Christian.
		Was a pagan.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not even going to go there.
		I'm going to go with what he wanted to do for Germany, like other people want to do for their own nations.
		He wanted to do something for Germany.
		He saw that the Jew who controlled the press, who controlled the arts, who controlled theater, who controlled politics by Mar regime, okay, and who controlled the stock market.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This guy seems very likable.
unidentified		Weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, I think of a proportion or incidence of guests who have very positive Hitler feelings seems high for Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like it's increasing quite a bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's notable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Something that I find interesting about how we as a society deal with all this stuff.
		Not we, how I watch society from my weird window and wonder if any of it's real because it's insane.
		But only crazy people are honest about the logical inclusion of their beliefs.
		That's kind of our society, right?
		Like everybody agrees only crazy people would be honest about what they believe because you would be crazy to say that, sure, as a vicious and horrible anti-Semite, I hate and wish for the extermination of Jews, but it would be ridiculous to say that I love Hitler.
		That would be crazy.
		So despite the fact that Alex is like, well, I agree with all the things that you have said.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you're very likable and you have discernment and you seem very heady.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To say that you love Hitler is crazy, sir.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like it's not disqualifying around Infowars.
		You think it's at least the third guest of note in a short period of time.
		I don't know if Alex was expecting that answer, but I can't imagine why he wouldn't have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because in society, it's crazy to say the honest truth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I mean, you know, once bitten, twice shy, should I say?
unidentified		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's been twice bitten, third time should be shy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of all the things that we documented extensively over this thousand episodes, I think Alex's inability to learn is perhaps one of the most consistent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't realize there's a fourth way.
		That's the only way to learn.
		It's not race memory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's the one where if somebody does something, you go, well, we won't do that again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fire's hot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jason bermas ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, now that Nate has given his kudos to Hitler, Alex decides now it's time to give a friendly goodbye to the interview.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Samuel Kappner, come back on again.
brother nathanael ▲ ● ▼		Because we're going to have a talk next time, and maybe I'll be a little calmer.
		Okay.
		It's my first shot here with you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry.
		I'm always wound up too.
		And the ADL says white people are inherently evil.
		So they've opened all this up.
		So I think we should hear from everybody.
		And so that's where I'm at.
		I mean, I agree with you.
		The ADL is pure evil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've opened this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It looks like Nasferontu.
		Listen, I appreciate the debate and the discussion.
		I don't agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I think it's open for discussion.
		I want to thank you for coming on and having a debate.
		We'll be right back with Kate Alex.
		Stay with us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a debate.
		Yeah, so I mean, he's friendly, inviting him back on.
		I don't think that he was wound up or anything.
		That's not the criticism I would have of this.
		No, But yeah, you pinpointed exactly the issue.
		And this is basically what he said when Ye was on, too, which is he has this perception that the ADL thinks all white people are inherently evil, and that justifies him having friends and promoting outright Nazis.
		Yep.
		So that is the purest sort of boil down of why Alex is doing this.
		He's trying to platform and mainstream and run cover for, or at least make look better these Nazi figures as an attack on the ADL because he thinks that it's justified because of his own white identity self-aggrievement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		Which is, you know, never under, never said it often enough.
		You know, as a narcissist, it's always got to be personal, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like, okay, the ADL doesn't like me, so obviously I'm a Nazi.
		I'm just going to go ahead and go that far.
		They were mean to me personally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just, it's just, I don't know how to describe it other than like this is just may as well be a Nazi ass show now.
unidentified		It is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If this flies, then anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is Nazis.
		That's Nazis.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like I said, whoops all Nazis.
		And like I said, I don't think that it's just a situation where you can never talk to this guy.
		Sure.
		But the context of talking to this guy is it requires a gentle touch.
		It requires a not this.
		This is not a debate.
		It is not a exchange of ideas.
		It is platforming and endorsing a Nazi to your audience.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I still maintain this.
		Debates are incredibly stupid.
		But the main reason they're stupid is not because of all the waste of everybody's time.
		It's because if you are going into any conversation, there should be the possibility of you learning information.
		And in no debate will anybody learn information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Usually not.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, especially not the way that they've turned into like performance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's what I mean.
		Any entertainment-based debate.
		Yeah.
		You know, that's which is what we're dealing with.
		You know, it's like, it doesn't matter how much you push back on brother Nathaniel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He came in to say that he hates Jews.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And at the end of it, he's going to leave saying he hates Jews in all the exact same ways.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's going to be a non-zero number of your audience who are going to be like, fuck yeah, this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to be drawn to him and they're going to watch his horrific state-of-the-art videos on his website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that is on you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is your fault.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There is no such thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's not going to be like people who watch this interview in Alex's audience who come away with better opinions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And then I think this is something that is always socially true that is like hard for us to really kind of wrestle with.
		But if at the end of one of these entertainment-based debates, nobody changes anything and you just say, I still believe everything that I exactly believe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't even matter what you have said.
		People will just go, by your conviction, I will follow you.
		That is the way that we work as animals.
		So it's almost, yeah, it's dangerous to have a debate or attainment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think it may.
		I haven't fully thought about this, so I'm willing to be talked off this position.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think it may cause a net negative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it might be more harm than good, that structure of entertainment.
		But whatever the case, this did more harm than good.
		Alex walks away from it, I'm sure, thinking like, I do a pretty good job there.
		He probably doesn't even realize the toxic bullshit that was this show.
		You know, you had the disgusting presentation of this deep dive on Epstein, and then this guest who there's no excuse for doing this interview.
		Yeah.
		There's no excuse for it.
		And there's further no excuse for giving up on really trying to guide the conversation.
		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, just every, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of all the things, Alex should have used his one true power shouting down this person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can see the way that Nathaniel kept talking whenever Alex tried to interrupt him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Alex wouldn't, Alex wouldn't use the volume power.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that tool doesn't work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's weak.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so weak.
		Yeah.
		Anyway, fuck this episode.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bad start to the year.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is one of, like, that's why the qualifier earlier of just like, this is what I see through my little window into the world.
		Who knows if it's real?
		Like, this does have the feel of like, wait, I'm being Truman showed, right?
		There's no way that this is actually real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have bad news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bad news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don de Grand Prix still dead, and this is real.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this is real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we'll be back for another episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's notride.com.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on somewhere.
unidentified		Somewhere at somewhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back.
		But until then, I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZXClarke.
		I can only bleat.
		The only noise that I can make.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's truly how I feel right now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, woo.
		And now here comes the sex robots.
		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
		Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
		I love your work.

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