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#874: November 30, 2023

#874: November 30, 2023 dissects Alex Jones’ wild claims—Henry Kissinger’s death as a "globalist trigger" for Disease X lockdowns, Roger Stone’s baseless accusations of a shadowy "fake me" account, and Trump’s alleged deep-state assassination threats tied to a debunked Parkland doc theory. Jones twists FCC broadband rules into censorship, cites unverified Navy leaks on vaccines, and merges depopulation conspiracies with a bizarre God-devil test narrative, while Jordan and Dan mock his statistical fabrications (80% regional elections for "anti-globalists") and theological tangents. The episode reveals how Jones’ embellishments—like 20-family control or JFK’s murder—prioritize spectacle over substance, exposing the fragility of his credibility even among fringe allies like Stone. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 21:27
d
dan friesen
37:31
j
jordan holmes
26:11
r
roger stone
r 09:38
Appearances
e
elijah schaffer
02:11
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
roger stone
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Reddler.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish in Colorado here saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan Jordan.
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, I think, is probably that George Santos got expelled from.
I think it's the best resolution for everybody.
I think everybody wins.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think you're right.
dan friesen
I think it's one of the rare instances in politics where everybody comes out ahead.
jordan holmes
We all had our fun.
alex jones
We did.
jordan holmes
It's time for it to be done.
It is time for it to be done.
dan friesen
There's a not insignificant portion of the public who seems to like George Santos' antics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, apparently.
dan friesen
And the way he lies in such a silly way.
And now there's no reciprocal damage of him being in the future.
He can't hurt you anymore.
And it also is an interesting reminder that that is something that can happen to people.
jordan holmes
Yes, consequences can be visited upon you.
dan friesen
It seems strange the way we determine who is the target of those consequences, but it is something that can happen.
You can get the boot.
jordan holmes
See, it's about being, it's about lying in the right type of flamboyant way with not enough money to protect yourself.
And that's what we all enjoy is when they don't have enough money to get out of it.
dan friesen
I don't know why, but I find some cold comfort in him getting kicked out of car.
jordan holmes
You know, for all of us, I think there's a certain amount of we go out, we look at the world, and we see a little bit of like, okay, well, I'm sitting and I'm watching the world collapse around me.
And then you have a shooting star where you're like, well, at least that's an enjoyable bit for a while.
You know, I'm seeing all the collapse, but look at that.
dan friesen
And look at that.
That shooting star gets kicked out of the house.
jordan holmes
That's the funniest thing.
dan friesen
But, you know, I think that it's also the best thing that could happen for him, too, probably.
You know, I don't think he was long for Congress to begin with.
jordan holmes
It was meant to be.
No.
dan friesen
So anyway, that adventure came to an end.
It was interesting to see people's reactions to it and all that.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Doctor Who, my man.
Doctor Who, there's one.
There's a new doctor coming back.
But right now, there's some three interstitial specials.
We got David Tennant and we got Don and Noble back in the saddle.
dan friesen
How about that?
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
What about an Eccleson?
jordan holmes
Eccleston, he's been gone for a long time.
Only did one season.
Hates the job.
He hates Doctor Who.
dan friesen
It's one of the only references I know as someone who hasn't watched any Doctor Who and only knows him as the invisible man from Heroes Season 1.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Eccleston went to Tenant, and then Tennant went to Matt Smith, and then Matt Smith went to, I don't know.
dan friesen
He went to Morbius.
jordan holmes
No, I think did Matt Smith?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Matt Smith didn't go directly to Jody Whitaker.
God, I'm terrible at this.
dan friesen
You need to know your life.
jordan holmes
I'm doing a bad job.
dan friesen
I know of Tennant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
I don't never seen any of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, he's back.
They're having a great time.
Classical.
They're doing house shit.
They're doing that like, oh, there's a mystery.
You know, first 10 minutes.
Is it Lupus?
No.
And then in those last 10 minutes, ah, we fixed the mystery.
Ah, we did it.
You know, it's great.
dan friesen
That's a tried and true formula.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Can't go wrong.
unidentified
Doctor Who, Dr. Whom, Dr. Doom.
dan friesen
It's three steps.
jordan holmes
Sorry, what the fuck just happened?
Did you?
dan friesen
Just played some word games.
unidentified
Oh, these words sound similar, Jordan.
I don't know if you'll recover from that.
dan friesen
I don't know why that is what destroys you.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know.
Doctor Who?
Doctor Who?
dan friesen
Doctor Doom.
Dr. Victor von Hoo.
You know, this is a mash this up.
jordan holmes
Like in my head, it's fitting in the same space as a man-a-plan Panama.
Like, that's what's going on.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's a palindrome.
Or like one of those evolution of man games.
Except now that I say that out loud, I realize that Doctor Whom is not a thing.
So you just have to imagine whatever that was as the interstitial phase.
jordan holmes
Just grammar.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about November 30th, 2023.
Of course, this is the day after Kissinger died.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
And so, of course, it is our obligation to check in and see what Alex is up to after one of his grand enemies has kicked the bucket.
jordan holmes
I'm going to put a wager out.
I'm a gambling man now.
I'm just addicted to gambling in this only situation.
50 Buck says we talk about Kissinger less than four times.
dan friesen
I don't want to spoil anything about whether or not that's a good bet.
Oh.
It's interesting the way your bet will play out.
Okay.
Because, I mean, it's, you know, to go back to house, you know, one of the songs they played on House all the time is you can't always get what you want.
That's true.
And that is the definition of Alex's show.
You never get what you want.
jordan holmes
Do not.
dan friesen
You think you're going to tune in for a show all about, you know, like if your greatest villain, or let's say at least Mount Rushmore level of villain.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Dies, you would think you'd spend a bit of time really getting into the weeds about like this fucking guy.
This is his legacy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
XYZ.
jordan holmes
Never let it happen again.
Et cetera.
dan friesen
And you always want Alex to do that.
You think that's what's going to happen, and then it doesn't.
But I would say Alex makes interesting choices about how he goes about this episode.
All right.
And we'll get down to business on all of that.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Bunny Brigade PA.
Thank you so much.
You're an IOPOSIWONK.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Miss Cassafras.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, I have received an offer for the job I was been working toward for the past 10 years.
Thanks.
Daphne M. Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Deacon Q Deacon of Hillary's Witch Church, Witches.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Big D, the mediocre axe thrower.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to I sent that one bucket of poop.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So if we were just going to go with what happens immediately on the show, your guess would be wrong.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex does bring it up pretty much.
jordan holmes
Right out the gate.
dan friesen
Right out of the game.
You're going to have to.
alex jones
It's about 8:30 Central Time last night, and my phone began to just blow up.
And I had it back in the bedroom, and then I've gotten like 15 calls and text messages.
Henry Kissinger, the architect of the modern New World Order, dead at 100.
We are 340 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes, 10 seconds out.
The most important election in world history.
The globalists are out of the omen.
They've thrown down the gauntlet.
They're making all of their tyrannical announcements.
dan friesen
That Kissinger's dead?
jordan holmes
I mean, pretty quick.
Yeah, isn't that okay?
dan friesen
Yeah, sort of.
jordan holmes
Hey, hey, he's dead.
dan friesen
He is the architect of the New World Order.
I exist in order to warn the public and fight the New World Order.
How was he the architect of the New World Order?
What do you mean by that?
What are the things?
It just was.
jordan holmes
Well, now he's dead.
So what's the point of talking about it?
dan friesen
The past isn't real now.
jordan holmes
You don't need to be.
What are we going to do?
Have another one show up later if we don't learn anything about this one?
That'd be crazy.
dan friesen
So instead of dwelling on this too much, Alex jumps around a little bit.
And there's one person he wants to take particular aim at.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's not who you think.
I'll let you have three guesses.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you some words to consider.
jordan holmes
Who was the main character on November 30th?
dan friesen
Space.
Think of space.
jordan holmes
Carl Sagan.
It's time somebody took him down a page.
dan friesen
It's not Carl Sagan.
jordan holmes
No, okay.
Brian Cox, not the actor, the physicist from Britain.
Nope.
Okay.
I'm going to go out on a limb.
This one might be crazy.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Overosa?
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
Oh.
An incredible interview with William Shatner, who is being you justice.
jordan holmes
Omarosa's a better death.
alex jones
He said we must get behind his king, King Charles, and that we're all going to die by 2030 if we do not submit to total world government.
dan friesen
Yep, so William Shatner is telling everyone to get in line behind King Charles.
jordan holmes
Weren't they on the same season of The Apprentice?
dan friesen
King Charles and William Chatner?
jordan holmes
Shatner and Omarosa or something?
There was something like that.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
I do not follow The Apprentice.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
Although I'm dangerously close to it based on the way that I've been making bad choices with television.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Big Brother to celebrity, Big Brother to Apprentice is like, that's a short walk.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, and I've watched all of Survivor, and that's Mark Burnett.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, same guy.
jordan holmes
You're a hosed.
dan friesen
You're a host.
I will avoid it.
But yeah, William Shatner wants you to follow the king.
jordan holmes
I was wondering when Shatner was going to come out with his follow the king thing.
You know, we knew it was coming.
dan friesen
He didn't say that.
He was interviewed by somebody about Cop 28 is coming up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And King Charles is giving the opening address of that.
And he said that King Charles needs to come out and say, we're all going to die because of climate change.
So King Charles needs to be more blunt, is basically what Chatner's point is.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And then he's getting real proud of himself just because he went to space that one time.
dan friesen
And he saw despair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I think if you see despair from space, you probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you're William Shatner, so you don't have a choice but to make a real meat out of it.
You've got to chew the cedary if despair is all you know.
dan friesen
Right.
You're not Spock.
You're not going to be very weird albums and then be on fringe.
jordan holmes
No, you got to show up and be like, ah!
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So Alex has some concerns about the future.
jordan holmes
He's going to show up on Friday.
dan friesen
No.
He also has some thoughts about the past, though.
And he was able to defeat the globalists the last time they tried to bring back COVID lockdowns.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
I'll just let him explain.
jordan holmes
Okay, thank you.
alex jones
I've got something really powerful for you, and it's a powerful truth, and it's a powerful tool, but really it's getting out there to a wider audience is not in my hands now.
It's in your hands.
Just like we did in August, we said they're planning the mask, the fear, the new shots, new viruses, controls, according to our whistleblowers and sources, get ready.
And they began to try to roll it out, but the public resisted and said no, so they backed off.
But I said, watch.
They'll come back in a few months and do it again.
But this time they'll go all the way.
We caught them with their pants down.
Now it's official.
UN calls for lockdowns all over the world, calls for return to COVID protocols, absolute fear-mongering.
All the UN minions are saying disease X is about to hit.
It's going to be 20 times worse.
You better submit to the UN and world government carbon taxes as a way to reduce population, or we're going to have to do it the other way, wink, wink.
That's what William Shatner and all of them say.
Look, you better do what we say.
You better let us start reducing population these other ways, or we're going to hit you with viruses.
You better give us full control.
So we're being held hostage by a global criminal cabal with bioweapons.
dan friesen
Yeah, so basically, just public health officials saying, hey, we should be concerned.
There's a high likelihood of another potentially pandemic thing happening.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, Disease X, that constant looming question.
Right.
That variable that exists in the future.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex takes that as a threat.
They are just threatening him.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Racer X was a threat to Speed Racer.
So I think Disease X is clearly a threat to COVID.
dan friesen
To Racer Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I don't know how much Alex and his buddies backed off the globalists the last time.
I think that's a little bit silly.
jordan holmes
I would like more physical evidence of said backing off.
dan friesen
Does Alex's imagination count as physical evidence?
jordan holmes
There's where we are.
dan friesen
Yes, because it is all in his imagination.
But I do think that if you rip back that imaginary fantasy layer, there is something kind of to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that people like Alex and all these folks have been so combative, so violent, so threatening, so demonizing of public health officials that they, in effect, make it impossible for public health officials to do their job effectively.
So if.
jordan holmes
Which then justifies them hating public health officials because they can't succeed at doing their job.
dan friesen
It is a bit cyclical that way.
But yeah, that is a bummer.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Here's what I think we need to really acknowledge.
All right.
I think this was all Gene Roddenberry's plan from the beginning.
I think Alex's real enemy is Gene Roddenberry because Gene Roddenberry inspired a love of science fiction inside Alex.
But Gene Roddenberry was behind William Shatner's rise all along.
So Gene Roddenberry both ruined Alex by giving him a love of something and then stole it away from him by Shatner being a globalist or something.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Strong disagreement.
jordan holmes
I really am weirded out by how Shatner is really important in 2023.
This bums me out.
dan friesen
He's not.
He just appears to be something Alex is mad about today.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
But here's the situation.
Alex isn't a track guy.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
He hates the idea of the one world government.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
He's a Star Wars guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And other sci-fi.
Gene Roddenberry didn't bring about Alex's love of sci-fi.
jordan holmes
I like how it's like, no, Alex hates that one-world government bullshit.
He loves the empire.
Right.
dan friesen
No, he likes the bad version of it.
He just doesn't like the cooperative getting along.
jordan holmes
It's not this one world government.
I want a one-world government.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we do have to talk a little bit about Kissinger.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I will give Alex credit that he does spend some time on it.
jordan holmes
Kissinger, Roddenberry, basically the same thing.
dan friesen
Well, either way, you know, there is a debate among the Trek people, right?
That Gene Roddenberry wasn't really as important as people make him out to be.
There were other writers that really deserve a lot more of the credit for shaping what Star Trek became.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be surprised.
dan friesen
No, let's turn that into a metaphor for how Alex is going to talk about Kissinger.
alex jones
Even though Kissinger is one of the top architects of the current world government system we're in, I'd say Brzezinski was really more influential and actually the field marshal.
He was Napoleon, and Kissinger would be one of his top generals, but not in charge.
But Kissinger was more flamboyant.
He was better at getting all the credit for himself.
It was Zabignan Brzezinski, is the real architect, but this guy's like the foreman.
Kissinger was like the foreman for the architect executing it.
And so, even just a month or so ago, he came out and said, everybody's turning against the neoliberal governments because we're flooding them with illegal aliens.
And the illegal aliens, 90-plus%, are not assimilating.
jordan holmes
Did 100-year-old Kissinger get a job?
alex jones
No.
And it's designed like that to have a permanent underclass they have.
But even Kissinger and the top British ministers over migration, all of them are saying this is wrong while they still flood you.
So they politically are acting like, hey, we're against this when they're the architects of it.
Here's the club of Kissinger.
unidentified
What's a grave mistake to let in so many people of totally different culture and religious and concepts because it creates a pressure group inside each country that that's it?
alex jones
You know, I was saying that he was an influential globalist.
It was as big names Brzezinski hands down.
But he was a close second, and he controlled the Harvard department that only turned out one master controller for the system each year.
And we've had one of the guys that went to the training and covertly didn't let him know he was against him.
That's Dr. Francis Boyle on record.
And he became the head of the UN prosecution court and the guy that wrote the U.S. biological chemical weapons laws.
You know, that guy.
We should get him on this week or next week if he can do it.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
All that stuff about Francis Boyle is not true.
That resume is very off.
Also, Alex should probably have Boyle on to talk about what he thinks about international law as it relates to Palestine.
I don't think Alex would really appreciate what he has to say.
unidentified
Oh, indeed.
dan friesen
He has been a long, long-term supporter of Palestinian rights.
So I like how Alex has completely just undefined and unsupported ideas about the power rankings of the 1970s globalist squad.
jordan holmes
I do like that.
There was them and then the 96 Dream Team, I think.
Those are the.
dan friesen
And people debate on the Dream Team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who really was the glue holding this together?
jordan holmes
Obviously, it was Leitner.
dan friesen
Leitner.
Undoubtedly Leitner.
Also, it's worth noting that that little clip of Kissinger comes from a larger interview.
That interview took place just after the attack on October 7th, and he's specifically talking about how there were pro-Palestinian celebrations in Germany.
Kissinger was talking about something specific, but xenophobic right-wing media has turned this into something far more general so they can attack the very idea of immigrants coming in.
And beyond that, who cares about what Kissinger says?
He's 100 years old and he's a dick.
jordan holmes
What do we do?
I mean, this isn't the end of the last crusade where he's been alive for a thousand years and he's got one thing to say before he disintegrates into the wind.
He's just fucking Kissinger.
He's just a 100-year-old asshole.
Fuck him.
dan friesen
Right.
So anyway, there's other things that Kissinger did, though.
You know, Brzezinski's still number one, way up top.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
But Kissinger, in his role as number two, did do some important stuff.
roger stone
Sure.
alex jones
But Kissinger did put out State Department Memorandum 200 in 1972 that amended official U.S. government policy to reduce fertility in the U.S. and the third world by a whole host of issues like so-called vaccines, and the list goes on from there.
Poison food.
It's all listed in Memorandum 200, and that's just declassified options that came out in the early 90s.
So these guys really do mean business.
Meanwhile, he wanted to ban you being able to have red meat, but it's on record in the news today that Kissinger was obsessed with Jaeger Schnitzel, which is one of my favorites.
I just had some earlier in the week.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Way back from Houston, I pulled into a little German restaurant in a little small town.
It was spectacular.
Jaeger Schnitzel.
dan friesen
Had a vision.
alex jones
But that he basically ate Jaeger Schnitzel and T-bone steaks and bratwurst breakfast, lunch, and dinner and lived to 100 years old.
And of course, your brain, anybody, and McKissinger talked about this, works better on fat.
And so, you know, my dad always talks about that.
Essential fatty acids is the best way.
Just go with fish oil or krill oil.
And I can be totally exhausted, and the coffee's not going to work.
And I just bang back some Brain Force Ultra and then take three capsules of krill oil is even better than fish oil.
And it's spectacular within one hour.
Clarity, total focus.
But if you're taking real fish oil or real krill oil, it hasn't been homogenized.
It hasn't been boiled.
So you will get the fish burp.
Side issue.
We do sell those products at WallWarsTour.com.
But just a stop.
Fact toy.
By the way, we have store-wide free shipping right now.
jordan holmes
Is this what is happening?
alex jones
Cyberweek.
jordan holmes
What just happened?
dan friesen
It's Cyberweek.
jordan holmes
Did he accidentally switch into a pitch?
alex jones
He magooed it.
unidentified
He stumbled backwards into an ad pitch.
jordan holmes
He was onto one train of thought.
unidentified
Like, oh, Kissinger is one step fat, but meat's great.
jordan holmes
I sell amazing products, don't I?
How crazy is it how great my products are?
That's so weird.
Weird, I've great all my products.
dan friesen
I wanted to keep that as like a whole chunk because it is an interesting different version of an ad pivot.
jordan holmes
It is a journey.
dan friesen
It does not feel intentional.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That really did feel like he was just like staggering around.
Oh, I found it.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know what to say about Kissinger.
dan friesen
I've already said the Memorandum 200 thing.
I don't really have much else.
jordan holmes
It is odd that I am taken completely unprepared for the death of a 100-year-old man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you know who is prepared?
unidentified
Who?
dan friesen
Somebody who knew Kissinger quite well.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
That Alex's buddy is with.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's a guy who's coming straight from the Stone Zone.
Oh, no.
We're talking about Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Roger Stone is a guest to talk about Kissinger.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
He knew him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
I mean, if you know Nixon, you know Kissinger, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have to.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
So, Roger, good to have you here with us, Michael Padre.
Let's do the snapshot here/slash accelerated deep dive on Hair Kissinger, who just made the jump into hyperspace.
roger stone
Alex, it's great to be back here at InfoWars.
I always feel like I am home.
It's funny that you bring up Watergate because Henry Kissinger, in many ways, was actually the driving force behind Watergate.
We'll get to that in a moment.
History lets him escape unscathed.
But yeah, I knew Dr. Kissinger.
I met him when I was working for President Nixon.
I had much more extensive encounters with him later when I was working for candidate then president Ronald Reagan.
Henry Kissinger was brilliant.
He was extraordinarily duplicitous.
He was power-hungry.
He was a very skillful, bureaucratic infighter.
Nixon told me directly that the reason he never destroyed the tapes was because he feared that Henry Kissinger would seek to take credit for Nixon's foreign policy achievements after Nixon's death.
dan friesen
This doesn't sound like Roger talking about a bad person to him.
Sounds like things Roger would do.
Yeah, I don't think Roger would mind being called duplicitous after he dies.
jordan holmes
This is game-recognized games.
That's what he's saying.
Like, extraordinary duplicitous is a compliment coming from Roger fucking Stone.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You should be like, oh, shit.
dan friesen
And there's almost an admiration for the move of releasing the tapes because you know that he would do it.
jordan holmes
100%.
That is a fantastic move.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is a strange dynamic here where you have the guy who's the guy who created the new world order second to Brzezinski.
Yeah.
Who's died, and Alex can't really cover it well at all.
So you think, bring in Roger Stone.
He's your ally.
He's in the info war.
He's your buddy.
He knew Kissinger.
This is going to be a slam dunk.
He'll shit all over him.
Nope.
No, not.
jordan holmes
No, it's a little bit like being like, hey, Paul Pot, how do you feel about that Ceaușescu guy?
And he's like, great dude.
Great dude.
Top of the charts.
Like, okay, well, I think we might be on the wrong...
dan friesen
This was a perfect booking, and yet somehow...
jordan holmes
And yet it backfired somehow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
roger stone
When you say what achievements, well, the strategic arms limitation agreement with the Soviets, the end of the Vietnam War, the opening to China, which I defend, frankly, because at the time that Nixon and Kissinger decided to open the door to China, China was a dirt-poor, agrarian country with more ox than automobiles.
There was no way for Nixon to see that on the advice of Henry Kissinger, many years later, the Bushes and the Clintons would give China most favored trading, pardon me, most favored nation trading status.
And of course, Bill Clinton would actually sell them our top secret missile targets.
alex jones
To be clear, the reason Nixon did it is 90% of the countries don't have running water electricity, but they had nuclear weapons.
He could cut off Russia and drive a wedge between them, which was a very wise move.
roger stone
Precisely what he did.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What are we doing now?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are we re-litigating Nixon's legacy?
Opening of China.
Is that the plan right now?
dan friesen
I guess.
I mean, since Kissinger is associated with that, might as well.
An important point to bring up here, though, is that Alex should not have this perspective on the opening up of China.
In his own book, The Great Reset, Alex decries the opening of China as big international businesses coming in and setting up one-party rule in order to make all the money.
His position in the book is diametrically opposed to the one he's expressing here on the show, mostly because he doesn't have a real position that means anything, and he didn't write the book.
To keep in line with anti-communist tradition, he needs to be opposed to the opening of China, because according to that mythology, it was done to support and enable the communists.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they have put Shang Kai-shek in power back in the 40s?
Roger probably isn't going to play ball with that because he loves Nixon so much.
So the best bet here is just to say that Nixon meant well when he opened up China, but then the dreaded Clintons undid all the goodwill that he put into it.
And that's a good, that's a smooth move.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, there's a little bit of, you know, if you've ever been on the set, you know, maybe you've had a long day of shooting, and then your script supervisor shows up and goes, you know, this does not track with what you did a couple of weeks ago.
You got to throw the whole thing away.
Imagine if Alex had to be accountable to his book.
There was a book supervisor right there with him just being like, whispering.
I'm sorry, you actually can't believe that, according to the book that you quote unquote wrote.
dan friesen
Yeah, the show would be nothing but whistles.
Nope.
Flag.
jordan holmes
That would be, it would be the news radio buzzer episode, and it would be a delight.
dan friesen
So Alex wants Roger to just get down to business.
What's the bottom line on this Kissinger guy?
Give me the elevator portion.
jordan holmes
What is it?
500 grand?
What are we talking about?
alex jones
So give us the bottom line on Kissinger.
roger stone
Well, there's a lot here.
I mean, first of all, when Nixon learns that the Pentagon papers, which are really State Department documents that show how the Vietnam War started, how it got out of control, and so on, Nixon was completely unconcerned because all they showed were the mistakes of the Kennedy administration and the Johnson administration.
They had no bearing on his handling of the war.
It was Kissinger who went insane.
It was Kissinger who demanded the illegal wiretaps of the national security staff, of White House staff members, and actually members of the press to try to find out who the leaker was.
It was Henry Kissinger who drove the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist.
Ellsberg was the State Department or the NSC official who actually leaked the Pentagon papers to the media.
It was Henry Kissinger who convinced Nixon to have Attorney General John Mitchell sue the New York Times and the Washington Post in an effort to prevent the publication of the Pentagon papers, which really were not at all damaging to Richard Nixon.
alex jones
Was Deep Throat really a composite of people and was Kissinger part of it?
roger stone
I'm sorry, I ask it again.
I spoke over you.
alex jones
Was Kissinger Deep Throat?
Part of Deep Throat.
Was Deep Throat a composite or one person?
roger stone
Deep Throat is General Alexander Hay.
Where does he come from?
Well, he's a deputy to Henry Kissinger.
He is Kissinger's Kissinger, as they say.
dan friesen
Kissinger's Kissinger.
jordan holmes
Who is they in this, as they say, scenario?
dan friesen
People who hang out with Roger in the Stone Zone?
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In the Stone Zone, that's all they talk about.
Haig is Kissinger's Kissinger.
jordan holmes
Here is what I didn't think of this, and it really obviously I didn't think of it because it doesn't pertain to me.
But I'm sure this happened the instant Kissinger died.
Everybody around the world went, oh, shit, I can blame so much Shedar Kissinger now.
Oh, it was Kissinger who did that.
Now that he cannot defend himself whatsoever, it was totally Kissinger.
All of that shit was Kissinger's idea.
Watergate, Kissinger.
dan friesen
He did it.
jordan holmes
Epstein.
It's actually Kissinger.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Name it.
You've got it.
It's Kissinger, baby.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I would say that I don't think that Kissinger was entirely uninvolved with Watergate.
That's not to say that, but I think Roger might be giving him an outsized role in the whole thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, frankly, I don't know if Nixon ever even did anything while he was in office at all.
He just drank.
And me and Nixon, we just hung out and drank all the time.
It was Kissinger who's doing all those Kissinger's doing all that terrible shit.
dan friesen
He was basically the president.
Me and Nixon were bros.
We were broing up.
jordan holmes
We're national lampoons band Nixon.
That's what we were up to.
dan friesen
So there's other things that Kissinger did or did not do.
And one of them was that he did not want to help Israel during the Yom Kippur War.
alex jones
Sure.
Let's continue with Kissinger.
roger stone
I think it's important to recognize that one of, I think, Nixon's greatest achievements is in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when very similar to what happened on October 7th, Israel has a complete intelligence breakdown, and there's a surprise attack on Israel by the Egyptians and the Syrians.
The Israelis are caught short.
They are literally with their backs against the sea and completely out of ammunition.
Israeli Prime Minister Goldermair sends out an emergency message to President Nixon asking for an airlift of $36 million of lethal aid.
Kissinger is adamantly, vehemently opposed.
So is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moore.
So is the State Department.
So is the entire national security apparatus.
Kissinger's argument to Nixon is it might provoke the Russians.
Nixon says, I don't care if it provokes the Russians.
An ally is under attack.
It's the only democracy in the region.
I will stand with Israel.
Nixon then gives the order for the airlift, but Kissinger decides to try to wait him out, hoping that Nixon will change his mind.
Late the following afternoon, Nixon says, well, has he received the lethal aid?
And Kissinger says, no, Mr. President, we have not sent it yet.
We don't know what kind of plane to use.
Nixon calls Admiral Moore.
This is one of the Watergate tapes they never play.
And basically says, I'll tell you what plane to send.
Anything that flies.
If that aid is not on its way to Israel in the next two hours, I'm coming over to the Pentagon and putting my foot up your ass.
This can be found.
The media will never play this.
So Kissinger really tried to undermine Israel.
Richard Nixon, despite what he may have said in the White House tapes in terms of derogatory comments about Jews, Richard Nixon systematically saved Israel from annihilation in 1973 over the objections of Kissinger.
alex jones
Continuing on Kissinger.
dan friesen
Great rebuttal, Alex.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
Let's get to more.
jordan holmes
All right.
So the stuff that the media won't play.
Ah, that proves everything that I say.
The stuff the media will play.
Sure, Nixon hated Jews.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But you know what?
Actually, it's Kissinger who hated Jews.
Did you know that?
dan friesen
I don't know the extent to which these conversations are right, and I don't know what tapes Roger's talking about that the media won't play.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
I don't either.
And here's the real thing that's going on with this.
Alex should absolutely not agree with any of it.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
Because October 7th and the beginning of the Yom Kippur War were both false flags, according to Alex.
So that kind of cuts through the narrative there.
Also, you know, who became prime minister just after the Yom Kippur War?
Itzak Rabin, who was famously assassinated by Steve Pieczenik.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
He also, Steve Pieczenik, was the one who did the Camp David Accords.
He's really mixed up in the history of the Middle East.
jordan holmes
I don't like how much, like, we spend a lot of time with the, like, backbenchers, you know?
We spend a lot of time with the JV squad, but it turns out the JV squad did a lot of shit.
And everybody's talking about the Kissingers and stuff.
But, man, you don't even know what Pieczenik has gotten up to.
And Pachenek's not going to get a right up in the Guardian when he dies.
dan friesen
He's like one of those punk bands that was playing around.
jordan holmes
Everybody who was at that show started an assassination team.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
He's the weirdo's weirdo.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Secretly behind literally everything.
And Roger as well.
The two of them are both, except Roger, there's a little more credence to him actually being involved in shit.
So you may ask yourself, who is this Kissinger fellow?
jordan holmes
I really wasn't going to.
dan friesen
Who does he work for?
alex jones
Boy.
dan friesen
Is it America?
Probably not.
alex jones
So, bottom line, from all my research, Zbed Brzezinski was really the architect of So is the New World Order.
Kissinger was just a good self-promoter.
Who did he really work for?
We know he was deep into deals with China, working against America in later decades.
roger stone
I think almost immediately after he leaves his government service, he becomes a paid agent of the Chinese.
He is a paid agent of Communist China.
Kissinger and Associates, pretty sure, files a foreign agent registration act.
He is Dun Xiaoping and later Xi's man in Washington and in the United States.
So Kissinger is not America first.
Kissinger is Communist China first.
dan friesen
Because he's been on the Chinese payroll this whole time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I wonder what it would, you know, I would like to hear Kissinger speak Cantonese.
I wonder what Cantonese would sound like from Kissinger.
I can't even imagine it.
dan friesen
Well, we played a little bit of him earlier.
Just imagine that, but Cantonese.
jordan holmes
Cantonese?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
With a tonal language?
Imagine that with a tonal language.
dan friesen
I feel like, yeah, it can be done.
jordan holmes
I would be interested to hear it.
dan friesen
So as the Chinese figurehead in the West in Washington, Kissinger made some requests of Trump.
And if I were Roger, this is not the one I would bring up.
roger stone
So Kissinger is not America first.
Kissinger is communist China first.
It is in that role that Kissinger contacted President Trump to try to persuade Trump to extradite Miles Guo, a Chinese dissident, which Nixon, pardon me, which Trump declined to do.
Kissinger is most definitely aligned with the Chinese, although he's not adverse to taking a few bucks from the Russians either.
dan friesen
Hey, money's money.
It spends.
jordan holmes
Let's not tarnish the man's great legacy.
He's dead now, Stone.
dan friesen
So I'm not sure if Kissinger wanted Trump to extradite Miles Guo, but I do know that Guo sued the shit out of Roger for making defamatory claims about him on Infowars.
Guo sued Roger for $100 million for making baseless allegations about financial and election-related crimes.
Roger did a real quick about face on that.
He issued a full apology, and he claimed that he was just repeating things his buddy told him.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Kissinger in that ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if I were him, I would come up with a different example of the way that Kissinger was an agent of China than bringing up the guy who you lied about on this show, the same show, and got sued for $100 million and then had to apologize.
jordan holmes
And now.
dan friesen
And I don't think this is actionable.
I don't think this is defamatory.
So there's one point that Alex keeps bringing up, and probably because there's not a lot of depth to what he can talk about as vis-a-vis Kissinger.
And that is that Kissinger was going to go to some guy's birthday party this weekend.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
But both of them died.
jordan holmes
Wait, both guys died?
So now there's no party.
alex jones
What does it signify that he just met a few months ago with Xi Ji Ping?
They were betting a lot on him.
Charlie Munger's another operative of Xi Jiping.
He died a few days before.
He's supposed to have a party for his birthday on New Year's with Kissinger in New York.
Looks like the party's off, Roger.
roger stone
Well, it doesn't matter, Alex.
You and I were probably not invited.
alex jones
All right.
Anything else on Kissinger?
unidentified
I got a bunch of other questions.
roger stone
We've revealed the real Henry Kissinger.
Brilliant, yes, but extraordinarily duplicitous.
You know, Henry Kissinger's great tactic was with Nixon was to threaten to resign.
He threatened to resign if he couldn't get his way on anything.
dan friesen
You take that brilliant out of there, and it sounds like Alex implicit this and gets his way by threatening to quit.
jordan holmes
I'll quit.
unidentified
I'll just leave.
dan friesen
Yeah.
By the way, he brings up that birthday party like three times.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
There's something so great about the morning TV show way that you say.
Looks like the party's off.
dan friesen
Dick.
unidentified
There's something so funny about the way he said it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It seems petty.
jordan holmes
Looks like we can kiss that party goodbye.
All right.
dan friesen
Now to the weather.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So Alex and Roger jump off the Kissinger subject and start complaining about other sorts of things.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
Like the weather.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Social media.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
They kick you off social media.
jordan holmes
They do.
dan friesen
And then out of nowhere, there's a fake Roger Stone account.
What?
What is this?
jordan holmes
A parody Roger Stone account?
dan friesen
Probably the CIA.
Maybe you really think about it.
jordan holmes
If there's anybody that's funny, it's the CIA.
roger stone
By the way, there's Roger Stone up on Facebook today.
Don't follow him, folks.
He's not me.
I've asked them four times to take it down.
unidentified
They won't.
roger stone
There's Roger Stone over at YouTube, too.
Official Roger Stone.
Guess what?
That's not me either.
They ignore my request to take it down.
I myself am banned from those platforms.
alex jones
And let me explain why that's important.
When they take you off, you don't just get censored.
Other people can take your identity.
roger stone
Exactly right.
And I think that's the idea.
So I saw that on YouTube, official Roger Stone is verified.
Definitely not me.
I never verified it.
And whoever created it in 2017, Alex, started putting up Russian language videos.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
roger stone
Isn't that interesting?
Look, here's the largest point.
alex jones
And then they'll use that at the FBI and CIA to keep you and I, which I know they do, in this foreign intelligence operative situation, the shadow government that Obama that we'll talk about in a minute.
They're confirmed to have set up.
So they go out and set things up, link us to Russia, then persecute us and use CIA resources, lawfare, and the whole system that just got leaked yesterday against us.
That's why they do that.
They literally go into Congress in closed doors and go, look, he runs a Russian thing.
Or Jones runs.
It's ridiculous.
roger stone
Yeah, no, they could post something in your name that you didn't say at all and pretend that it's you.
And I think that is the point.
dan friesen
That is not the point.
I don't, you won't be.
That's not your account.
It's not your account.
This is silly.
jordan holmes
Roger.
Roger Stone.
If I understand correctly, you are complaining that people are claiming you said something that you did not say.
That is your main issue here?
dan friesen
Well, because they're saying it on an account that has my name on it.
Ah.
jordan holmes
Now, I don't know if you know your life.
dan friesen
Here's the thing.
All right.
Yeah, I get it.
It's uncomfortable and unpleasant to see an account that is pretending to be you saying things that you don't support.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But, like, how's this any different than like back in the day, you could put something up on a signpost and sign it with someone else's name?
Like, this is something that's always a problem.
jordan holmes
You're Roger Stone.
You got to eat this one.
You're Roger Stone.
This is shit you eat because fuck it.
You've gotten away with way worse.
True.
You can't complain about that.
People are duplicitous.
Yeah, no fucking shit, man.
dan friesen
And I would love for that level of evidence to fly in court.
Like a fake account posts something and you are now responsible for it.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I find that to be a little bit weak.
jordan holmes
What a disparity in importance of subjects.
On the one hand, Kissinger's death.
On the other, somebody's posting like me.
dan friesen
And William Shatner won't stop talking shit about how we got to follow the king.
jordan holmes
That one actually is important.
dan friesen
But we will get back to that, I promise.
jordan holmes
I knew we would.
dan friesen
For now, we have other news, though.
Like, the FCC is up to some shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
roger stone
The Biden administration is going to the FCC, and they now are going to have the FCC for the first time ever, for the first time in 40 years since the inception of the internet, they're going to censor the internet in the name of equity at the source.
So they no longer have to lean on Facebook or Instagram or X or TikTok.
They can actually decide who gets to speak.
alex jones
I saw that, but let's slow down.
We'll pull up the articles, put them on screen.
Go slowly.
This is a big deal.
roger stone
Yeah, the FCC voted for new regulations put forward by the Biden administration that, for the first time ever, will allow them to censor content on the internet.
In other words, they'll be able to decide, essentially, Alex, whether you or I or some other patriot can have a URL.
dan friesen
That's not true.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right at all.
dan friesen
So this surrounds section 60506 from 2021's infrastructure bill.
That section just said that the FCC was mandated to make rules that would, quote, prevent discrimination in the deployment of broadband internet access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin.
In the real world, the conversation around this is about that first one: income level.
How is the FCC going to be able to not allow broadband providers from discriminating against people based on income level?
It seems like the only really viable way they could do that is through price regulation, which is what the actual concern and the conversation people are having about this is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This has nothing to do with censoring the internet, but figures on the extreme right wing are pretending that it is.
And there's two major reasons that that charade is being perpetuated.
The first is the most obvious, which is that people in the extreme right wing are obsessed with creating their own oppression.
They aren't being oppressed, so they need to take every chance they get to build unrelated things into the most tyrannical chains around their neck.
The social media space is a prime territory for these games to be played out because everyone's addicted to social media, and these right-wing folks believe that they're entitled to behave however they want online, and no one should be able to criticize them for it.
This creates a perfect landscape for these kinds of narratives to take shape.
You can turn anything, you can mold the unformed clay into this form, and people will buy it 100 times out of 100.
jordan holmes
It's a perfect sandbox.
dan friesen
The second reason this game is being played where potential regulation about broadband access discrimination is being reported as about censoring your dumb COVID conspiracy posts is because the right wing at the top is beholden to corporate interests.
Regulating the price of internet access is a pretty attractive idea to anyone who's had to deal with internet service providers, but it's a very threatening thing to the profits of these businesses.
These corporate interests know that there's no way to get normal people mad about this plan to prohibit discrimination in terms of broadband access.
So in order to fight the regulation, it needs to be presented as being about something else.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
People like Alex and Roger need to lie to their audience to get them excited about this topic at all.
If they presented the information as it actually exists in reality, no one would care and most people would think it's a good idea.
One of the roles that people like Alex fulfill is to transform something threatening to big corporate profits into something that appears threatening to your personal safety, so you'll be tricked into opposing it.
And that's one of the things that's at play with this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's always amazed me because it is a level.
It's the way that it's one of those things that bums me out so much.
It's not that our government is purchasable.
It's that it's so fucking cheap.
You know, like, because broadband internet access is one of those things that it seems like you should be unbribable upon because there is a 100% support behind you just being like, hey, here's my new bill.
Government has internet support.
And all you have to know is that you'll never have to speak to Comcast again.
100% support.
100% approval rating.
The only fear you have from that is they'll murder you.
They're going to kill you.
Comcast will absolutely murder any politician that tries to do that shit.
But you will get elected 100% of the time.
dan friesen
I don't put it past Comcast, based on my experience with them, to have teams of assassins.
unidentified
Yeah, they will murder it.
dan friesen
Don't put it past them.
For sure.
jordan holmes
There's no other way they can keep this.
dan friesen
I don't know about the full deprivatization of broadband access.
I don't know about that.
I don't know if that would have blanket or even fully broad support, but regulating the ways that these internet service providers can behave, what they can charge.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Especially in places where there's like you live in a building in a lot of places in Chicago.
You have one choice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is an effective monopoly in a lot of cities around the country.
And so having some kind of a check on that from the government, I think is something that most people would probably be pretty in favor of, which is why you have to change the narrative entirely.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Really, it should fucking, it would be easy to just be like, hey, listen, all cable companies have to give you a span of time that's only two hours.
They can't give you like, you have to be home from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. the next day.
No, no, it's 7 to 7.
I don't care.
It's a so popular thing to do, but they're easy to buy.
They're cheap.
dan friesen
See, you right there were dangerously close to shifting into a bit that would fly at Adam Carolla's comedy camp.
jordan holmes
Thank God I saved us.
Thank God I pulled up.
I'm staying out of that comedy camp.
dan friesen
Working on some of these bits.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's what's going on there.
The FCC is not going to make it so you can't post about Trump.
No, no, no.
So Alex has some thoughts about global politics, how there are anti-globalists being elected everywhere.
And while I do agree with him that there are some troubling things like we've discussed with the Netherlands, with Argentina, I do think Alex is making up some numbers here.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
But Roger, you know, Javier Malay.
I think he's a great guy.
The whole system's happy.
jordan holmes
I think he's a great guy.
alex jones
They, just, as you know, a few years ago, got rid of the electronic voting machines, got paper ballots, which aren't perfect, but are way better.
And magically, he wins.
And we also have El Salvador with a Patreon in.
Whether you look at Sweden or Greece or the Netherlands or Italy or New Zealand.
I've looked at the numbers.
About 80% of regional elections around the world are going to anti-globalist, and around 65, 70% are going at the presidential or the ministerial prime minister level.
That has got to scare the hell out of the new world order.
Give me your million-foot view, then let's zoom into 10,000 feet with Javier Malay and Argentina.
roger stone
Alex, I think you're absolutely right.
dan friesen
I think you're right about those numbers you're making up.
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
How can you even say I think you're right to that noise?
dan friesen
Well, because it's basically just like, let's move along.
jordan holmes
I think you're totally right.
dan friesen
Totally right, Alex.
jordan holmes
Totally right, Alex.
80% of all elections everywhere.
Anti-globalists.
dan friesen
Municipal elections, dog catcher election, ombudsmans.
Listen.
Omnibudsmans.
jordan holmes
The only thing that has greater global approval ratings than anti-globalism, that's Queen Bay.
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
That's it.
I'm not arguing with.
jordan holmes
I'm putting their concert films out.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying.
dan friesen
I didn't know that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you should make.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There is an obsession on Alex's part to make up numbers.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yes, I agree.
dan friesen
It's like we have a 98% wake-up rate with our documentaries.
jordan holmes
Now it's back down to 92 now.
dan friesen
All this is just like he loves making up numbers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is fun.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex and Roger talking about how Trump needs to lock up his political enemies.
jordan holmes
Who doesn't?
dan friesen
And you just get echoes of 2016 here.
alex jones
That's right.
You said this a few years ago to run again, but they messed with him and threatened him and attacked him so much.
And he then saw how America was being destroyed.
You told me privately that, well, it looks like he's going to do it.
And you said, but don't tell anybody.
Six months before he even started saying he was.
I'm giving some inside baseball, but it's okay now.
It's in hindsight to show how accurate you were.
And so they drafted him by intimidating and trying to threaten him or trying to intimidate him.
And now, as you said, this is a new Trump.
He's totally wise now.
He knows about the deep state.
And they say that, oh my God, we're all going to jail.
Well, yeah, not because you're the political opposition, but because you've engaged in treason and you're never going to stop trying to stop us from saving the country and the world until you do go to prison.
You're the ones that censored.
You're the ones that targeted people with lawfare and fake criminal charges.
You're the ones that did everything you now claim Trump is going to do.
Well, he better do it, not out of vengeance, but out of justice, Roger.
roger stone
Yeah, it's classic Galinskyism, Alex.
I don't need to tell you.
dan friesen
Yeah, classic Galinsky shit.
Yeah.
You know, I think that this is fun, a way to rationalize what you always wanted to do, which is start chanting, lock her up again.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because that was really fun.
jordan holmes
It was so much fun.
dan friesen
And you all made a lot of shirts and stuff.
You made a lot of money off the locker up stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me ask you this question because I think this is really going to determine the election in 2024.
Are there enough political enemies for Donald Trump to go after to last his four years?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, can we?
Hey, listen, I don't want him to govern, but frankly, I don't really want any of these people governing.
So instead of having a president who's like, what if I have ideas?
No, no, no, no.
Let's have a president who's like, I'm going after this guy next week.
And then we watch.
I think it's a great idea.
dan friesen
It's unhealthy.
jordan holmes
Sure, but we just all enjoyed George Santos.
Why not have a more violent version of George Santos?
dan friesen
But here's the thing: we didn't love George Santos because people were just like, get him.
I think there was a, let's watch him dance.
Sure.
Let's see if he can get out of it.
jordan holmes
Listen, hey, we all love dancing with the stars, but we also love the wire.
You know, like there's a, there's a certain level of violence that is sexy to people.
dan friesen
I feel like making politics on a national level into a squid game.
jordan holmes
I didn't start it.
I didn't make it into a squid game.
I'm just showing up to the squid game.
dan friesen
Well, you're still complicit in it.
Fair enough.
And to your original question.
Yes, of course he has enough enemies to make it four years.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
I'm saying if we just, he's going to be too distracted to fuck up the actual country.
All we have to worry about, I mean, I don't have to worry about anything.
I'm not on TV being like, I don't like Donald Trump.
See, he won't even bother me.
dan friesen
Sure, we don't tweet much.
jordan holmes
We'll just watch anchors disappear.
dan friesen
That is probably an interesting day.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we know that Alex is now on a they're going to kill Trump kind of kick.
jordan holmes
Diet coax.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And so he brings up that with Roger.
alex jones
I'm sure you saw MSNBC CNN because you're a news hound like I am.
The original publications, the Business Insider, saying, what happens if Trump dies before the election?
They're now floating that as a kind of a threat or kind of an idea of what they want to do.
I mean, I think Trump needs to understand, like Tucker Carlson keeps warning him, on this trajectory, everything fails.
What's the last thing you do as a political opposition when you're losing, but you're in control of the intelligence agencies and law enforcement?
Well, you try to kill the champion of the people, so I know we don't want to bring this up, but they're bringing it up.
They're the ones making the threats.
That's what keeps me up at night is them killing Trump and then the aftermath of that.
roger stone
Yeah, look, I agree with that.
I think they've used the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the murder of John Kennedy, the revelations by this 88-year-old former Secret Service agent, Paul Landis, plus this shocking new documentary, actually reviewed in the New York Times, what the Parkland doctors saw.
They're using all that media coverage plus this new narrative, what happens if Trump dies, to try to normalize people to the idea that that's a possibility.
Look, every single night when I say my prayers, I pray for the safety of Donald Trump.
Every Sunday at church, I light a candle for him.
He is our last best hope to save this country and Western civilization.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if somebody pardoned me out of prison, I'd light a candle.
dan friesen
I'd say I lit a candle.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in public, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think it's that, you know, we got, it's a little bit much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Saving the country.
It's saving Western civilization.
The last chance is Trump.
jordan holmes
I know, but, man, staring down the barrel, eight years in prison and only having to do, what, like, six months or something?
dan friesen
Oh, no, no, no.
I don't fault Roger for saying things.
It's just expecting to be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
But then the other thing is like, you don't need the media to acclimate people to the idea that Trump dying is possible.
He's an old man in bad health.
jordan holmes
What is it going to take?
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
What is it going to take for us to remember that you should, that being old, like being past 70 meant you were going to die any moment for a long time?
dan friesen
Especially if you're in poor health.
It can be a fatal liability.
jordan holmes
Especially if the world watched you eat a shit ton of McDonald's against our will.
dan friesen
As Alex has told us, he gets 100 bags of food delivered to the house and randomly chooses a Big Mac.
jordan holmes
It is like every nutritionist should have to, the first day that you sit down and have a talk with them, they should have to explain why Donald Trump's not dead.
Or they should have to go kill him.
Otherwise, what's the point of you?
There's no such thing as nutrition.
There's only why isn't Trump dead yet?
dan friesen
So your argument is that dietetic is proven by the fact that Trump is alive.
jordan holmes
Trump's continued existence.
dan friesen
Well, what about Kissinger living to 100, eating all those sausages and the Jaeger wieners?
unidentified
Well, everybody knows that.
dan friesen
Jaeger Schnitzel.
jordan holmes
Fat makes you think better.
Jaeger Schnitzel.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
So Roger believes that Trump is the last chance to save Western civilization.
Sure.
Alex needs to one-up him a little.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, I hate to use messianic parallels, but I'm not saying he's Jesus, to be 100% clear.
I'm saying ripples of history repeating.
I don't want Trump to be killed, but if they murdered Trump, that would only make our movement 10 times stronger.
Are they that crazy, Roger?
roger stone
You know, they seem to be unaware of the fact that just trying to lock him up because of all these fabricated crimes has turbo-charged his campaign and turbo-charged his movement.
dan friesen
So I think Alex was comparing him to Jesus.
jordan holmes
Well, once you start saying the word Messiah, Anic or Messiah, any basis to the Messiah.
dan friesen
Jesus ripples through history.
jordan holmes
If you put the word Messiah in a sentence with a person, you are by necessity comparing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I guess Trump is going to save us all or something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So Roger takes off.
Also, apparently he's writing a book about who shot Reagan, and I think it's George H.W. Bush.
George H.W. Bush did everything.
jordan holmes
H.W. is the one who's behind Reagan.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I'll take that.
That sounds fun.
That sounds like a fun little narrative.
dan friesen
So look for that book to come out soon.
jordan holmes
I'm kind of excited.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Roger was teasing the book, and he's like, I don't want to give any spoilers, but take a look at George H.W. Wait, you just spoiled the book.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back and he's like, I got to get into the news.
I got to do some news stuff.
But look, why?
Why is it that I do such a bad job?
alex jones
Now, I want to hit some really dangerous news here, folks.
And I want listeners to listen to me because I'm my biggest problem.
I'll have these crystallized thoughts that I know are absolutely right and that will explain everything to people from deep research and experience.
And then I listen to rebroadcasts sometimes, and I never get to all of it.
And that's because I try to get to too many details instead of just making the big statement open-ended.
And then from there, going through all the evidence.
I didn't try to put on the evidence and then just make a quick summation at the end.
No, you should say what I'm about to present, and then we should walk through it.
jordan holmes
Hamburger essays.
alex jones
I've made a real deep dive, deep, deep dive study of the New World Order and history and different elites and how they operate and what they want and what they're doing.
And here's what it comes down to: there are fabulous technologies available right now and a lot of things that are being suppressed that are seen as disruptive technologies by the establishment that they don't want the general public to have because it will free up civilization even more.
And we'll be able to do even more incredible things, and then they won't control the future.
dan friesen
Okay, so the point is that there's magic tech.
jordan holmes
Just technology.
dan friesen
Magic technician being suppressed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's magic that's being suppressed.
Yes.
Okay.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Didn't need the preamble.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, that's fine.
dan friesen
I understand that he wrestles with how bad he is at conveying information.
Yeah.
I get that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But without that, this show does not work.
jordan holmes
It doesn't exist.
dan friesen
His show is all about not getting to the point.
jordan holmes
I mean, imagine the length, just viewing time, how much he would have to vamp to fill the amount of time he's not.
dan friesen
He says nothing forever.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
And that's the point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I guess I would struggle with that too, because, you know, you do listen back sometimes, I imagine, if you're Alex.
If he does, in fact, listen back, he probably is like, whew, ooh, that doesn't.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine doing that.
dan friesen
The point I was trying to make was this.
And then I said all these other things that are unrelated and then pretended that it all tied together.
I could do better than that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why I don't miss it.
I don't mind being where I'm at, where if I listen back and I go, oh, can't believe that guy said that.
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
So Alex is this magic technology, right?
And it's being suppressed because that's the way that the globalists are able to maintain their control.
jordan holmes
It would be too good for us.
We'd have too much free time.
dan friesen
And they're threatened by that.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They're threatened by Renaissance.
They're threatened by dynamic societies because those will give rise to individuals and ideas and groups that will supplant the current ruling class, which you need to supplant ruling classes.
Even if they got there through hard work, it's time to move over every few generations and there's new blood.
jordan holmes
Through hard work.
alex jones
That's the essence of the ruling class.
Essence of freedom.
It's why God put an expiration date on all of us.
dan friesen
Oh, that's why.
alex jones
So you can move on to the next level that you've chosen.
And so others have a chance at the wheel.
jordan holmes
And you don't want to be aware of that.
alex jones
So here's what I'm trying to get at.
The very selfish, selfish, cold-blooded decision has been made by less than 20 families to dumb people down, to turn us against each other, to poison us and make us so toxic and so stunned that we will then accept being depopulated by 90%.
dan friesen
This is what you say all the time.
I mean, your big thing that you're building up to is the same thing you said for 20 years.
jordan holmes
Say, Krewa Towa, let's do fun stuff.
Like, why are we doing this?
dan friesen
It's so discouraging.
jordan holmes
20 families.
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The 20 families part is an interesting wrinkle.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he couldn't back that up either.
Again, there's a number on Alex's show.
It's made up.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, but it's a little bit along the lines of the, like, oh, Bill Gates, he's not even in the top 15.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but then the other day 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's a tradition to this idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like the good family.
I always like a good, the families that have controlled European society since 500 AD or whatever.
Those are always nice.
dan friesen
Right.
It does veer towards anti-Semitism when it's in Alex's world pretty quickly.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, when you stop and think about how funny it is for people to actually believe in that noise, you know, whenever you're like, okay, so if the same family's been in charge for like a thousand years, you know how many people that family are related to that family now.
Like that family is essentially a million people.
dan friesen
Right.
It works incredibly well when there is like really regimented and rigorous intermarriage and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like a royal family kind of thing in public.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But the extent to which like the Ford family has been like diffused through marriages and or the Rothschilds.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like it's it's comical to imagine that these, even though there is institutional power that comes from, you know, I'm not going to pretend that's not the case.
Sure.
But the idea that there is just 20 families that have decided to kill off humanity.
It's fun, I guess, in a conspiracy bong session kind of way.
jordan holmes
I think it's like it's just more of like a condensing character, you know, cleaning up the narrative, making things a little bit easier to understand.
dan friesen
What about the Council of 12?
jordan holmes
Well, see, but was that better?
You would rather have that than the Council of like 358 guys who all have an equal say in like the textile manufacturing.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Does the Council of 12 exist within the 20 families?
Because they both have to exist.
Alex except they're both real.
jordan holmes
Are there eight families that don't have a voting membership on the council?
dan friesen
Is it alternating?
Is it like the Security Council?
jordan holmes
Is it like the Premier League after the season?
You have the chance for promotion or relegation based upon your council skills.
I like this.
These are all good pitches.
dan friesen
Based on how good your ideas were at dumbing down the population.
We'll give you a boost into the council.
jordan holmes
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is good.
dan friesen
So they hate Renaissance because people will get like individuals will arise who are strong and challenge the power system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, I hate it.
Even if we did get there by hard work on our own, I guess.
dan friesen
But they project their hatred of themselves.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
These elites, they hate themselves.
jordan holmes
It's so weird whenever projectors project onto people who are projecting onto hate themselves.
Right.
dan friesen
And therefore, they make you hate yourself.
And then they kill you with vaccines.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, that's nice.
alex jones
They so loathe themselves at a deep subconscious.
Forgot so loaded the world that they're projecting their hatred of themselves upon us.
And they're not fulfilled because they're not standing up for the species.
But they're totally committed.
So 20-plus million people are dead from the shots.
The Navy just released an official document that was secret and it's been leaked, but they confirm it's real that there's a 900-plus percent increase in heart failure in the Navy and similar numbers in the other branches of the military.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
So there's a video going around social media of a guy in a military uniform claiming that he found numbers that reflect these huge increases in heart failure in the Navy.
But these aren't numbers that have been made public and no one's reviewed this at all.
It's just a guy in his Navy outfit saying all this stuff in a video that someone posted to social media.
But folks like Russell Brand and the Blaze have picked it up and now Alex is catching the ball and embellishing the story out further.
Now it's not a guy in a video.
It's secret leaked reports that the Navy has admitted are real.
Sure.
Now it's not just the Navy, it's also other branches of service.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's important to recognize these techniques because they're the fingerprints of a liar and how Alex operates.
He takes some entirely flimsy story that no one has any reason to take at face value.
And in order to boost his reporting of it, he adds details.
Alex needs to differentiate himself from all these other shitheads like Russell Brand and the Blaze who are reporting on the same meaningless shit that he covers.
So he adds the InfoWars bump boost.
jordan holmes
Something.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Alex used to do this with real things, like the Mayak report.
He would add layers onto something that is a real thing.
Now he has to just do that with memes.
That's pretty dark.
So I looked into it a little bit, and this is a guy who is has a history of making a bunch of anti-vex claims.
So this remains to be seen.
But at this point, it's just more grist for the mill of the anti-vex COVID conspiracy bullshit economy needs these constant hits in order to keep like Alex has a bombshell every fucking week that all just gets forgotten and we're all supposed to be dead so many points.
jordan holmes
So many times.
I mean, I understand why 900% is a great way to grab attention and all that stuff.
dan friesen
Well, I don't understand.
It almost makes you feel like this person's being restrained.
He could have gone a thousand.
jordan holmes
I mean, but it's like, it makes no sense to me how we're not past that kind of bullshit already.
You know, like, because we've all watched so many super intelligent, super qualified people freak the fuck out because there's a 15% increase in something somewhere.
And you're like, 15%?
I don't even know if that's a lot.
But if somebody says 900%, you would see that's like a waterfall.
That's volcanoes exploding out of your home.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You would see a thousand percent increase in anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if it's heart failure.
jordan holmes
If it's heart failure, you'd be watching people fall every day and like walking down the street.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be staggering.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If this, then what kind of analysis fails pretty hard on that?
jordan holmes
Yes.
No, the number of people who are like so staid and calm and collected, whenever they go, we've seen a 12% increase, as though it's terrifying.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Somebody's saying 900%, leave me the fuck alone.
dan friesen
Well, but that's because all those people who complain about 12% increases and things are in on the cover up.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
See, it's so easy to get around your concerns.
jordan holmes
I have terrible concerns.
dan friesen
So Alex is going to explain this rollout, how the globalists are going to roll their shit out.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Except he doesn't really, because he gets lost in the weeds complaining about people being confused about God giving us free will.
jordan holmes
Well, that'll happen.
dan friesen
He has free will to get lost in the weeds.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
alex jones
It's the safest course to fight this.
If this thing goes in, almost everybody's dead.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And I'm going to play clips for you here in just a few minutes that tie into this.
And I'm going to explain how the rollout's going to happen, How it's going to unfold and the different layers to it, the layers of the people implementing it, but also the layers to the attack because we have the enemy blueprint.
God gives us free will.
God loves us and wanted to create creatures in his image, little g, not God's, but little, little g's.
That's the Old Testament says that.
unidentified
Also, Snoop Dogg's children's.
alex jones
We're not like the New Agers.
Oh, we are God.
No, we are not God.
We are experiencing God, interfacing with God, and our little G's.
Because we're made by God.
We're a little slice off the old block, a little chip off it.
jordan holmes
I hate you so much.
alex jones
And we have to go through this to prove our worth.
And God gave us free will.
And God in God's perfection made the decision.
Is it immoral for God to create new entities that will have free will and will be able to grasp infinity, not control it or be omnipresent, but understand it?
Feel it.
Be it.
And God said yes.
Try it.
I will create new entities that will then henceforth continue on eternally.
But they will be able to make decisions.
And some will make bad decisions.
unidentified
Is that bad?
alex jones
And God, it is infinite wasn't decided no.
I will doubt the existence of evil because I will allow the existence of freedom.
But, but, but, God gives us the manual.
jordan holmes
What about it?
alex jones
And sends us into the test with the answers and a cheat sheet.
Literally.
Revelation all over.
jordan holmes
What a stupid God then.
alex jones
Leads gods and directs us.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the book of Revelation, I guess, is the cheat sheet guide.
Yeah, I don't think we're going to learn about the rollout.
I don't think we're going to get to those layers.
And I feel like we're lost now.
jordan holmes
Here's what I like about this.
Here's what I really like about so much of this kind of theology is that it presupposes that I give a shit after the fact.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So like, okay, fine.
God kills us all because he's God and he's got that whole thing.
Or no, like the globalists or the devil or whatever kill us all, right?
We're all dead.
Or the few of us are left.
Okay, so fine.
So what happens after we're all dead?
Does that guy just keep like rolling out?
Does God make new people?
Does God punish him and start all over again?
dan friesen
Right.
Like if the devil wins, yeah, the devil's winning.
jordan holmes
Is the God like, fuck, and then moves?
Is this like a winner stays kind of competition?
dan friesen
I feel like that's impossible.
It has to be impossible, right?
Within the right.
jordan holmes
So for me, like so many of these conversations are like, uh-uh.
No, no, no.
I don't even care.
I don't care one way or the other.
If God is good, is bad, whatever.
If you say he's right, I'm on the other side just because I want to see what happens.
If the supreme creator can lose.
If the supreme creator can lose, then fuck yeah.
Let's ride it out.
If he can't, then why am I here?
Leave me alone.
dan friesen
It's staggering to imagine having a theological construct wherein God can lose.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if God can't lose, then fine.
Well, you guys have a great day.
But if God can lose, I'm on the devil's side 100%.
dan friesen
I'm not going to go that far.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I understand where you're coming from.
I would just like Alex to get to the fucking part.
Yeah, me too.
jordan holmes
That's why I daydreamed about what if God could be putting it.
dan friesen
I understand that he has the free will to get into whatever he wants on his show, but sometimes, sometimes, sometimes.
Yeah, we just really got to get to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're not going to get to it.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
God says, okay, I'm doing this, but I'm going to put guardrails up on the straight and narrow, and I'm going to be there every step of the way.
And I please.
jordan holmes
That's the opposite of what he wrote.
alex jones
Please.
Please.
Yeah, you'll get ahead if you cheat up front, but you'll lose everything.
dan friesen
But I also give you a cheat sheet.
alex jones
But you're bringing me in eternity.
I got big plans for you, but I'm going to give you the cheat sheet.
jordan holmes
Please join me.
Please.
alex jones
And God, by the way, has ordered the devil.
This is even in the Bible, New Testament and Old.
The devil goes in heaven and says, Am I allowed to persecute this person, Job?
Job will turn against you if you take away his family and everything he's got.
Take that away.
Well, if you kill him, he'll turn against you.
Didn't happen.
Then God restored it all.
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
And so that's key to understand.
I don't think you understand the devil is an instrument of God.
God has allowed that to operate to test us.
But God has also given us the cheat sheet of our conscience, of history, of common sense, of the Bible, and shows like this.
dan friesen
Shows like this.
InfoWars is itself part of God's cheat sheet.
Also, I mean, the devil is an instrument of God, and so therefore God can't lose because God's just messing with us through the devil.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You understand that if you're making that point, I don't even need to be here.
Right.
I can go somewhere else.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Finally go somewhere else and not talk to you about this nonsense.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Again, you said that.
I get to go away now.
dan friesen
And I do feel like in Alex's conception of things, God is messing around with this free will thing quite a bit.
I mean, he is meddling to an extent where free will is no longer free.
jordan holmes
What is fascinating about it is that this God is so confused that it almost makes me feel like that would be what a God could be.
If you could comprehend the infinite, which you can't, obviously, but if you could, it would drive you insane.
unidentified
And then maybe you would do something like, well, see, maybe you would do something like this.
jordan holmes
Maybe once you get past the, once you're like, oh, the universe is flat, then you're like, fuck it.
Let's just see what happens if I make Alex go insane.
dan friesen
Alex is basically Dr. Manhattan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
He's bald.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to make an 18.5 billion year light year long universe, but I'm only going to make it 17.5 billion years old.
They will get fucked up about it.
They'll have no idea what's going on.
dan friesen
And get this.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I'm going to choose for the guy who's the most important figure in all of human history.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
To be a shithead drunk in Texas who yells a bunch of nonsense on the radio and has a problem with lives.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
The devil's sitting there like, Jesus, man.
You are good.
dan friesen
Puff, puff, pass, devil.
So we get into a little bit of intergalactic space law here.
jordan holmes
Sure, always a good one.
alex jones
I'm definitely on God's team.
I'm in soiled rags and feel like a joke in God's presence, but I'm on the team.
I made the cut.
I'm on the team.
You're on the team, too.
It's why you're tuned in.
But even the devil has to follow God's rule of the cheat sheet.
And that's a primitive term for it.
It's not a cheat sheet.
jordan holmes
It's a primitive term.
alex jones
It tells us the plan, puts it in our spirit, and then even gives us temporal examples everywhere.
And that's why the globalists show you movies and TV shows and everything and tell you what they're going to do because they have to.
They have to tell you what they're doing in small print, but it's got to be there.
jordan holmes
So they don't have free will?
alex jones
Because God gave us a lifeline when God did this.
And that is so powerful.
That is, that's the most powerful thing to understand.
And to understand God's plan.
Not God's mind, but to see God's plan from our primitive level.
It's God.
It's perfect.
Thank you for making me exist.
I understand we're going to lose a lot of people because of free will.
How do we save them?
And God says, you are going to save them through me.
You're going to go warn them.
You're going to get them.
I did not apply for this.
I'm not Jesus.
You're not Jesus.
He was the Son of God, but we're archetypes of that.
Son, I need you to go save my other children.
You're there.
I put you there as a special ops of this operation.
I need you to go get them and save them.
I've given you all the skills.
I've given you the gifts.
I put you through the hell that you signed on to so you can be there for these people.
Now you understand you're in my mind now.
You understand how precious they are, the prodigal son.
So I don't get mad at God for how much energy he puts into the prodigal son because I've been the chosen son.
You've been the chosen son from the son, you've been with God the whole time.
God's telling us, I want you to go save the prodigal son now.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
alex jones
That's our job.
jordan holmes
Where are we headed?
alex jones
We're God's cheat sheet.
That's what this show is.
Wait, now we're completely clear so that people that decide to go against God know they did it and know they signed on to a losing operation.
So it's completely clear.
dan friesen
See, that seems fair for you.
You seem like you have been stoked about it.
Yeah, you've signed on to a losing operation.
I have not personally.
I don't feel like I'm going against God by saying Alex is full of shit and this is all nonsense.
Right.
I still retain some ability to be like, I'm going to make my decision about God on my own terms.
Sure.
I don't believe that Alex has any connection to anything nearly approaching a God.
Yeah.
This is his own internal struggle that he is clearly wrestling with.
jordan holmes
See, I go the opposite direction.
I take on face value that every God exists, and I choose individually to tell them that I don't believe in them.
dan friesen
That's going to take you longer than Trump taking on all his enemies.
jordan holmes
It takes a while, but, you know, you start alphabetically and eventually you'll get there.
dan friesen
I don't quite understand the intergalactic space law of it all.
I don't understand how that works here.
jordan holmes
It makes me so mad.
dan friesen
So God's cheat sheet that he is given that seems like it could be just about anything.
It's InfoWars, the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's our conscience.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all of these internal things.
It's the book of Revelation, apparently.
And then it's also this weird one rule that the globalists have to tell you what they're doing.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, earlier yesterday, I was, I can't remember why it came up, but I was looking at these photos that the Russian probe sent back from Venus, from the surface of Venus.
You know, like we can't see it because it's surrounded by so much gas and the temperature is absurd.
dan friesen
It's so weird that there were like rocks on the surface that just said the FCC is going to censor the internet.
jordan holmes
It was very weird.
unidentified
The global intergalactic contract law.
jordan holmes
But you do see the like the color, and then you have to stop and you have to realize like this is a different planet.
We sent through just bombs shit to another planet and had it send a picture back.
That is fucking astonishing.
And you know what it looks like?
It looks like some fucking rock.
Planets are all just fucking rock, man.
You know?
dan friesen
Except for Saturn, which needs to be fed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, it's like there's no mystery to internet-dimensional contract law.
It's just crazy that we can see all this shit.
dan friesen
Intergalactic contract law applies to Venus as well.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
It's so, I mean, it is astonishing to look at those pictures and to be like, that is a different planet.
And then be like, it looks like fucking Arizona.
Who gives a shit?
Who gives a shit about Venus?
dan friesen
What are we doing?
You got over it.
jordan holmes
What are we doing on Venus?
I don't care about the majesty of creation.
dan friesen
What about going?
jordan holmes
It looks like Arizona.
dan friesen
What did I go into Arizona?
Could I trick you into that even more?
jordan holmes
I'd rather go to Venus.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there is a hierarchy.
jordan holmes
There is.
dan friesen
So, look, the devil, bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hate him.
dan friesen
We're better than the devil.
And then Alex finally gets to the point, I think.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It would be evil if God just made us conscious and threw us in with the devil into a pit bullfight and watched us get our asses chewed up.
No, he gives us everything.
He gives us the enemy playbook.
He gives us the manuals.
He gives us the will, the looks, the energy.
We've got the repertoire, the spirit.
dan friesen
The repertoire?
alex jones
Infinity more powerful than the devil.
He gives us everything and just says, will you make the right choice?
Will you join?
jordan holmes
Will you make the right choice?
alex jones
It's real simple.
Real simple.
dan friesen
Alex?
Buddy?
alex jones
In more ways than one.
Liza Schaefer's coming.
They've already released new viruses, but the shots they gave us.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
alex jones
Gave them shit to annihilate their immune systems.
There's record deaths everywhere.
They're now blaming it on mystery viruses.
Because, you know, the vaccine protects you from COVID, but we don't know why you're dying.
And now they've got Fauci and Peter Hotez climbing out from under rocks, telling us Disease X is about to kill everybody.
It's going to be 20 times worse.
Here's the headlines right here.
And new lockdowns are starting.
And all mail, it's all back.
And then William Shatner.
jordan holmes
William fucking Shatner.
alex jones
Climbs out from under his rock.
jordan holmes
That piece of shit.
And he says, Boston league game.
alex jones
Charles to lead us out of this.
jordan holmes
Is this the point?
You know, sometimes you just step back and you look at life and you go, it's 2023.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Knowing what I know now, clearly, eight-year-old me watching a rerun of Star Trek is going to be like, you know how important that guy is going to be to the king.
dan friesen
I mean, his Harold.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
dan friesen
And he doesn't, like.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
In the interview itself, the part that Alex plays, the interviewer brings up that you live in Canada, so he's your king.
And Shatner says, in a tone that sounds joking, hail the king.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think he actually is like, oh, everyone must follow King Charles.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
This is absurd.
dan friesen
So Alex started this off by complaining about how he conveys information poorly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And sometimes when he listens back to the show, he realizes I should just get to the point and then lay out the information as opposed to what I normally do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so in service of that, he rambled about the devil and God and free will for a while.
For quite a while.
jordan holmes
Sometimes.
dan friesen
Explained intergalactic contract law again.
Again.
And then seems to have gotten to the point in a very rushed fashion at the end, which is not the same point that he had before, which was magic technologies are being suppressed by the globalists.
And now it's there are already new viruses that have been released, and it's because the globalists gave you the vaccine, which killed your immune system.
So now you're going to get all these viruses, and it's the bioweapon.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's the point, I guess, that he rushed through there at the end.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I've got another point.
I got a greater point, in fact.
I've got an even more impressive, more pressing issue here.
All right.
dan friesen
Is it about Chatner?
jordan holmes
God has given us all of this shit, then what fucking you don't trust me?
Like, he's giving me, fine, fine.
You give me the manual.
Cool.
But now I'm hearing that I've also got this advantage.
I've also got this advantage.
And we've got guardrails up around the straight and narrow man.
What's the fucking point?
Am I even involved here?
dan friesen
It's like playing like a baby.
It's like playing Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze with Funky Kong.
jordan holmes
It's like playing Doom on God mode.
That's what it is.
It's pathetic.
You know what?
I don't even.
This God is making me insulted.
He's condescending to us.
dan friesen
Also, when Alex is listing off all the things that we have, is repertoire like the number of songs you know?
jordan holmes
Like, what is repertoire?
Boy.
dan friesen
A repertoire.
jordan holmes
It depends on how many threats you are.
You know, are you a five-threat?
You know, can you sing?
Can you dance?
Do you do a little soft shoe?
Like, what are we talking?
dan friesen
Speaking of repertoire.
jordan holmes
Repertoire.
dan friesen
Someone who has a good repertoire.
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
William Shatner.
Number of spoken word albums.
jordan holmes
I have no idea why Steve Allen popped into my head.
dan friesen
No.
He's no Shatner.
jordan holmes
No, he's no Shatner.
alex jones
But William Shatner's not read into the whole thing.
He's told, everything's collapsing.
We're the experts.
Everybody's about to die.
Let's do what we say.
He comes back a few years ago from a space trip and goes, Hi, everyone's going to die.
The cataclysm.
I'm so sad for them.
Do what the King of England says, or we're all dead.
He just did it again.
jordan holmes
It's pathetic.
alex jones
The man's a joke.
But he wants those life extension technologies they've got.
He looks better at 90-something than he looked 10 years ago.
Oh, they got some special stuff.
And that's why Jared Kusher says, I'm never going to die.
dan friesen
Aha.
So maybe we are back to the life extension technology.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But not really.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
All right.
dan friesen
So William Shatner is saying, follow the king because he wants to keep sucking off that magic technology team.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Well, I mean, his hair is better than ever.
dan friesen
Sure.
Well, he's rich.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why does he need to do any of this then?
dan friesen
Because he wants the life extension technology that the globalists will only give him if he tells everyone that they're going to die and they need to follow King Charles.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm going to throw this out at you.
dan friesen
Let me throw this out at you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
William Shatner telling me to follow the king is going to make zero.
jordan holmes
I've been deputy.
Why would I follow the king because of Shatner?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't even think that would work with a major Star Trek fan.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Okay.
You've got the guy who played Captain Kirk, which is, I mean, that's impressive.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But really, to me, that's only important because it inspired Galaxy Quest, ultimately, at the end of the day.
You know, so sorry, Shatner.
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, Alex in that last clip mentioned that Elijah Schaefer is going to be coming back.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Coming on the show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so Alex introduces him by having a barrage of headlines that Schaefer could respond to.
And his entry into the fray made me want to quit.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
What do you make just of the insaneness going on?
Elon Musk telling the globalists trying to intimidate him and bully him F off.
William Shatner saying, Prepare to die unless King Charles rules the earth.
We've got the UN saying disease.
There's lockdowns needed.
We've got the DOJ targets all Trump supporters on Twitter.
Demands a list of all users who retweeted, liked, or mentioned President Trump and giant totalitarian dragnets.
It's confirmed that Obama and documents set up a secret group in the government to try to overthrow Trump and censor and steal elections.
I mean, it's just, we're drinking out of a fire hose here.
Elijah Schaefer, thanks for joining us.
elijah schaffer
Hello, Alex, and thanks for having me on.
I saw Beto O'Rourke on the screen there a couple minutes ago.
I haven't seen him.
I think he only pops up out of sulfur pits once every four years, right when the elections come.
But looking at him, too, he's really interesting because I feel like he's sort of a reflection of what happens when you join the occult cabal and you start injecting baby foreskin stem cells in your face.
But once you hit 30, so the guy looks like he's both a 14-year-old pre-pubescent late bloomer and a 47-year-old geriatric patient meshed into one person.
It's very demonic, very sick.
Yeah, but I mean, genuinely, Alex, they've been saying for over 40 years that we're going to die in 12 years.
And to be completely honest, with the way the world's going, I wish they were correct.
I wish they were honest because I honestly wouldn't mind exiting this earth a little sooner than later, if you know what I mean.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, here's some fun riffing about Beto O'Rourke.
And hey, I wish I was dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good start to the interview.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Two things.
One, humor.
Shorten it.
Cut out words.
Cut out words that you don't need and let them be funny.
dan friesen
Brevity is the call of the day.
jordan holmes
And two, there are plenty of funny ways to say, I want to die.
I know I've said them all.
dan friesen
It felt like he did want to die.
jordan holmes
That is a way that you say, I want to die.
I know.
I've said them all.
dan friesen
Delivery not strong.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Material not strong.
jordan holmes
Not strong.
dan friesen
The repertoire.
The repertoire.
unidentified
Not good.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
I would suggest he go back to some open mics.
Maybe hit two or three a night for a while.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I decided I was going to check out from this interview.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
After this next clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is the last clip we have.
All right.
And it's Schaefer being a bit racist.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
While offering Alex a gift.
Now, keep in mind, this is a comedic bit that he's doing.
jordan holmes
This is a comedic bit.
Yes.
unidentified
Is Elijah Schaefer supposed to be funny?
dan friesen
You could have fooled me.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, like, it does have the feeling like he is coming into this with the expectation of, like, I am leading with humor.
dan friesen
Oh, he's trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, like, is he supposed to be a funny person?
Is he like a...
dan friesen
My understanding...
Look, I'm not a Liza Schaefer-ist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A Schaefer-ologist.
jordan holmes
Schaefer-ist.
dan friesen
Whatever.
I'm not somebody who knows his deep lore.
Sure, sure.
But my understanding of his brand is not that he is a humorist.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's not somebody who's like an Alex Stein who's like, you know, his whole thing is leading with I'm funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now he's Alex Stein is not funny, but that is the brand that's funny.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, but this kind of behavior, you know, it just was like, okay, you're very clearly trying to incite people with racist shit.
You're trying to be a troll and act funny.
And I just, I was very uninterested in it at this point.
elijah schaffer
No, well, I was going to ask you, speaking of Africa and that, and groups that require a lot, I don't know if you, would you want a present if I sent you something?
Would you receive a present for me in Australia?
alex jones
I'm not in Australia, but.
elijah schaffer
Would you receive a present?
Because I literally got you a present for representation because right now we're in the era of people in other lands, other people desire to take everything.
And in Australia, we have the Aboriginal people here.
This is an Aboriginal doll with a hollowed out wooden stick that they use as an instrument in the clothing they still wear today, which is white paint and sackcloth.
And this is a gift from my co-host to you guys at Infowars because the Aboriginals also tell people in Australia that $40 billion a year of free money is not enough, that the entire country of Australia and all the modern cities belong to them as well.
And so in order to keep up with diversifying and meet diversity quotas at the Infowars studio, I'm going to go ahead and mail this to your family.
alex jones
So is that a didri dog or what are those called?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the didgeride dong is what the gay aboriginals play.
The didgeridoo is what the straight aboriginals play.
I think he's heterosexual, so he's playing the didgerido.
Not the didgeridong, you don't want to be caught with that.
alex jones
Oh, man, you're something else.
dan friesen
You are something else.
I got to go.
This is a bad start to an interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, you know, one thing I was just thinking.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
I can't remember what context.
I was thinking of this in a couple of weeks ago.
It was just like.
One of the different, one of the things that to me means funny, if that makes sense, in my career, at least, was comedy and humor allowed me to go anywhere.
You know, like it didn't matter if it was a scary place for anybody, you know?
Like, if you're funny, you can walk in anywhere, even the most threatening bar where people have got like knives pointed at your face.
If you're funny, you can walk in there and everybody will be like, let's have a drink.
Ah, you know, that's what funny can do for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
This is just like, this is that evidence of not like, oh, humor isn't universal or anything like that.
This type of shit closes doors.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
This closes doors.
If this opened a door, you're way out of your mind.
dan friesen
It's a bad door.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a bad door.
You're out of your mind.
dan friesen
And of course, that's not the preferred term.
First Nations is more preferred antiquated terminology.
But also, here's the other thing.
You're talking about comedy and humor opening doors and what have you.
The other defining thing that I think about when I think about humor is it's not sweaty.
jordan holmes
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Like, there's an ease that comes with humor because it's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Being funny is fun.
jordan holmes
Everybody's doing it.
You don't have to struggle through it.
dan friesen
It's not forced.
It is bit so forced.
It's just, it lacks charisma.
It's just awful.
jordan holmes
I can't recall the last comedy show that I've been to where I was like, I really enjoy this.
It seems like he's having a terrible time on stage.
dan friesen
Well, I would say maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, I've enjoyed that.
dan friesen
Maybe it's Stephen Wright.
jordan holmes
Or like a Neil Hamburger, you know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
That's a character, though.
Well, right.
jordan holmes
But that's what I'm saying.
You know, a character should exist for.
dan friesen
Like, I introduced the possibility that Elijah Schaefer is playing a character.
jordan holmes
I reject outright that possibility.
dan friesen
Is this anti-comedy?
And we're just not getting it.
jordan holmes
If that is a person capable of not being that, I would be shocked.
Like, that is, if you can say those words in order, that is who you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I will, you know, give him a little bit of leeway in that Alex is the worst scene partner in the world.
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
So if you're trying to be funny in the context of being around Alex, you're probably going to be sweaty.
unidentified
Right.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're going to have to do a lot of lifting, but still.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Pro, I wouldn't even try.
I wouldn't even, yeah, that's what you would learn as a professional is like, nope, just don't even.
This is walking into a losing battle.
dan friesen
It's quicksand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don't do it.
dan friesen
Comedy quicksand.
jordan holmes
Comedy, quick, comedy, murder sound.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I decided this is a racist troll.
I'm not really interested.
And this wasn't about Kissinger.
Yeah.
So, again, you can't always get what you want.
You learn that with Alex, and you say, we'll fight another day.
jordan holmes
We had more than four clips about Kissinger, though, so I'll take that as a loss off.
dan friesen
And we had an attempt at an expert guest.
jordan holmes
We did.
dan friesen
So that is something.
It didn't quite go exactly down the straight and narrow path that God has protected.
jordan holmes
To discuss Kissinger's legacy, we have Littlefinger on.
unidentified
Hey.
jordan holmes
All right.
I mean, that would be an expert.
dan friesen
Right.
There is unique insight that you can get from having another shithead on there.
jordan holmes
There really is.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, it's not accessible.
Publicly.
jordan holmes
I think it would be really cool if you could get actual, like, what Stone, like in a completely neutral setting, no advantages or no InfoWars or anything like that.
Like, Stone, tell me real, true stories.
I bet he's got some really interesting stories about fucking Kissinger.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
And I bet that his analysis of like how someone works in those spaces would be different than you would get from almost anybody else because of the ways they're both manipulators.
jordan holmes
No, it would be like of all the people who would tell me about a Kissinger thing, right?
Stone's the one whose information I'm going to use, if that makes sense.
Like, you can tell me about a story you had with Kissinger, but if Stone is telling me, like, ah, now I know Kissinger does this, but we went out drinking and Kissinger said that he does this, I would be like, I will use that information.
dan friesen
The hypothetical information that you would get from him, you would use.
Unfortunately, the interview didn't reach those heights.
Of course not.
And we're left with Alex rambling about God and free will nonsense for a bit.
jordan holmes
Sad.
dan friesen
So anyway, we'll check back in with Alex, see how he's doing.
jordan holmes
So long as we have the free will necessary to do so.
dan friesen
And the repertoire.
unidentified
I hope it doesn't get smaller because theirs is getting.
dan friesen
I've forgotten some songs.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do at SnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, we are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeUnderscore Fights.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
Here's another drop I haven't played in a while.
alex jones
Thank you, Jordan.
Yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first Tim Caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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