In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to experience Alex doing a show about the police taking blood for DUI checks. In the process, he does two bizarre interviews and kind of reveals that he just doesn't think people should be trying to stop drunk driving.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| We need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a Christian caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hey everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan! | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan? | ||
| I think there's a cloud that hangs over the room, but I will allow you, because I know I'm sure it's going to be your bright spot, so I'll leave it to you. | ||
| Oh, no, I wasn't going to be my bright spot. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| That doesn't sound like you. | ||
| No, well, I understand. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But here's what people don't get about this, which really bums me out, all right? | ||
| It is nothing to celebrate. | ||
| He won. | ||
| He won. | ||
| By any objective way of looking at it, this man proves that there is no cosmic good or evil. | ||
| There is no karma. | ||
| Of course, you're talking about Henry Kissinger died. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| There is no none of this. | ||
| We should not be celebrating. | ||
| We should only have celebrated if he experienced consequences for anything he ever did one time. | ||
| But instead, you can be evil, be rewarded beyond all of your imagination, and then die 100 years old with people loving you. | ||
| So that's not your bright spot, then? | ||
| No, not my bright spot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| My bright spot would have been if he got hit by a truck. | ||
| Or shot into the sun, or any number of different creative ways for a hundred to be celebrated. | ||
| I see, I see. | ||
| No, my bright spot is I got back into MST3K, watching the original series again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You a Joel guy? | ||
| Oh, I love Joel. | ||
| I love Joel and Mike. | ||
| I don't have a fight. | ||
| I don't need to fight between the two of them. | ||
| I feel like almost everybody has a fight. | ||
| I feel like Joel guys don't like Mike. | ||
| Mike folk don't like Joel. | ||
| One, whatever blood there may have been. | ||
| They're financing a new season, season 14. Everybody crowdfund it. | ||
| Joel and Mike are both involved, so what are you going to do? | ||
| I never thought I'd see the day. | ||
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Never. | |
| I did go back and I watched... | ||
| I mean, it actually was the beginning as they were there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, I mean, I never thought I'd see the day again. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| But, like, there was a... | ||
| I think, I don't know, maybe it was Mitchell that I went back and watched. | ||
| It was classic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good old Mitchell. | ||
| But I remember... | ||
| It was like, this is slower than I remembered. | ||
| It's a testament to how much shows have gotten frenetic and quick-paced. | ||
| That show feels like molasses. | ||
| It really does, yeah. | ||
| But not in a bad way. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's just really enjoyable. | ||
| And there's the nostalgic element of it, too. | ||
| But also, there really isn't anything like this. | ||
| No. | ||
| And especially not now. | ||
| MST3K is a unique thing. | ||
| And something that has such a public access-ass roots and feel that carried with it. | ||
| Just homemade-ass UHF Weird Al kind of stuff. | ||
| Are you a Crow guy or are you a Servo guy? | ||
| I like Crow. | ||
| I'm a big fan of Crow. | ||
| I think I might be more of a servo. | ||
| I'm a TV's Frank. | ||
| Let's be real. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Trace Bolo, you know, what are you going to do? | ||
| Always mysterious how to pronounce that name. | ||
| They were at Up North. | ||
| Up North, yeah. | ||
| I couldn't make it. | ||
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We both could have said hello, figured out how to pronounce his last name. | |
| Please tell me how to pronounce it. | ||
| My bright spot is, I guess, you know, hey, I don't like to... | ||
| I don't want to promote Spotify, but it's been very nice seeing all these people posting their year rap and seeing how way too long they've listened to our show. | ||
| It's nice in some sense of like, oh, well, people are listening and, you know, I know they are, but there is kind of like an outpouring of like... | ||
| We do like your show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know Spotify is exploiting that in order for advertising. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And what have you, and I don't appreciate that, but it is... | ||
| I mean, seeing some of those numbers are... | ||
| It's overwhelming. | ||
| There's a lot of minutes. | ||
| I did not know there were that many in a year. | ||
| Sometimes I hear that. | ||
| I've seen a couple folks who have posted... | ||
| Six-digit numbers. | ||
| I don't even like seeing numbers that had to separate by H. That's too many. | ||
| That's so many. | ||
| But thank you all for listening and enjoying the show. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| My secondary bright spot. | ||
| I was thinking about not having that because of Spotify and Aldi. | ||
| No free rides. | ||
| This isn't an Aldi podcast. | ||
| It's not a Spotify podcast. | ||
| Celine has been struggling with Static electricity lately. | ||
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Oh! | |
| I don't know what's happened, but there's a lot of static electricity. | ||
| And so, like, she'll rub up against me and get shocked. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
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Yeah, that's... | |
| It's not... | ||
| Because they can't... | ||
| You know, Cillian doesn't really understand the concept of it. | ||
| No, but it also doesn't really hurt. | ||
| No, it doesn't hurt. | ||
| It's just very funny. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And here's the sitch. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Henry Kissinger died last night. | ||
| He did. | ||
| As we're recording this. | ||
| So today, Alex would be responding to it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But didn't really have time that we would be able to turn it around to cover his show today on the show we're recording today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll do that for Monday. | ||
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Right. | |
| Decided to put that off for Monday. | ||
| At the same time, I felt like, who cares what Alex was saying the day before Kissinger died? | ||
| It does feel like it makes everything useless. | ||
| It's like, why aren't you talking about that? | ||
| Right, there is that. | ||
| So I decided we're going to go all the way off the beaten path and go back to the past. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're in 2004 today. | ||
| Talk about March 24th, 2004. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On this here excursion. | ||
| 324. | ||
| Oh, four. | ||
| Alex does a couple of interviews about the same topic, and they're quite different. | ||
| So we'll see how that goes. | ||
| But first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Skullbat308, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Lucky Psycho. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Melissa, a.k.a. | ||
| Squatch's only hero. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Scott and Emily in West Virginia and our cats, Frank and Beans. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, on Second Thought, let's not be technocrats. | ||
| It's a silly name. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we had a technocrat in the mix. | ||
| What a silly name. | ||
| What a silly name. | ||
| Thank you so much, too. | ||
| I'm playing a cocaine addict in a murder mystery, and Alex Jones is my template. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| You could do worse. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You could do worse. | ||
| He's not an addict. | ||
| He's an enjoyer of cocaine. | ||
| That is a good question. | ||
| And I'm not sure if it's cocaine. | ||
| It's stimulants of some variety. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What is an addict when it comes to a man who needs something just to survive? | ||
| Are we a water addict? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, then that is, yeah, he's an addict. | ||
| Yeah, that tracks. | ||
| So, we start here, and Alex has, he announces at the beginning of the show this interview series. | ||
| Actually, he doesn't make it clear that there's going to be two interviews. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Until the third hour. | ||
| But he announces the first interview right at the top. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I got interested. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We have a ultra-massive show for you today. | ||
| In 30 minutes, I have a district attorney coming on in a major state who says he loves. | ||
| Making people give blood at checkpoints, and you better get used to it. | ||
| Imagine driving up to a checkpoint, 50 cars are stopped in front of you, every third car is pulled over. | ||
| Police officers handcuff you and jab needles into your arm, sucking out your blood. | ||
| The Nazis, imagine watching an old movie, ooh, the Nazis on board the train sucking people's blood. | ||
| No one would buy that. | ||
| I mean, just showing the papers was bad enough, but see how far we've gone? | ||
| I'm not sure that asking for papers or hypothetically taking blood samples is what I most shudder about when I think of the Nazis. | ||
| As of 2019, there were nine states that had full-fledged police phlebotomy programs, and they aren't necessarily the most appealing things for states to adopt. | ||
| They're meant to be surefire screens for impaired drivers, but they're also super unpopular with the public, and the costs of implementing them are pretty high. | ||
| You need to set up special training and certification for officers, and you introduce all the possibilities of an officer messing up while drawing blood, and then you end up with a lawsuit. | ||
| You introduce all these nasty variables into the equation when you consider that you're trying to take blood in an unsterile environment, like in a car. | ||
| It's just not worth it for most police departments. | ||
| You would have to be incredibly stupid, and only a cop would think it's a good idea. | ||
| That's why, or at least part of it, why even in those states that allow blood draws for DUI checks, it's much smoother for them just to establish probable cause through some other sobriety checks and then take you to the station and do a blood test. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And also, not for nothing, at this point now in the present day, you need to have a warrant. | ||
| To compel someone. | ||
| You shouldn't be allowed to have my blood. | ||
| In the past, there were implied consent laws in some states. | ||
| But since then, they've been overturned. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so now it's a situation where they cannot compulsively take your blood without a judge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I understand that it's 2023, and I am aware of how modern stuff works, but it is not far enough removed for me, and really the entire human race, to say that stealing my blood is not also magic. | ||
| That is also magic. | ||
| It's not far enough away. | ||
| It is something that is shocking that it was okay. | ||
| Like, compelling people to provide blood samples. | ||
| I mean, that should be a fight, right? | ||
| And I think that it was in the courts, and that's why it's not okay anymore. | ||
| I mean, that would make sense, yeah. | ||
| I do think that it was probably not usually done. | ||
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Sure. | |
| The forcing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Boy, it doesn't get quite... | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Are you holding down that man and taking his blood to see if he's drunk? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And you think you're the one in the right here. | ||
| Well, the police's arguments were always that, you know, it's a matter of time. | ||
| You know, like, the blood will metabolize the alcohol. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so if you wait too long, then you won't have the evidence that you need in order to prove that the person was driving drunk. | ||
| And courts eventually found that this is not a worthwhile argument. | ||
| I think every police department should hire someone to just slap all of their lawyers regularly. | ||
| Because they're insane. | ||
| Typically, what the blood situation is, is there's already probable cause. | ||
| You're already arrested for a drunk driving thing. | ||
| And this is something you are consenting to. | ||
| You're just stealing my blood. | ||
| Well, you're consenting to it at that point. | ||
| Because the officer's like, you're going to get arrested anyway. | ||
| You just need the evidence. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So most people end up being like, alright, fine. | ||
| If you want my blood, you're going to have to get it off the concrete, my man. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| I'm excited for an interview with this district attorney that Alex is setting up as being like a vampire. | ||
| Yeah, I'm excited. | ||
| He loves taking your blood. | ||
| I was just thinking, I was like, would it be Dracula's general? | ||
| I think that's what we would be talking about for the plural here, yeah. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, we have, obviously, the entire premise of this is fighting drunk driving. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, that is what's behind all of this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whether or not you agree with the tactics that are used, the strategies. | ||
| What they're doing is attempting to cut down on drunk driving. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which Alex seems to be against. | ||
| Obviously, he's from Texas. | ||
| He's pushed to stop drunk driving. | ||
| Police draw blood. | ||
| Hey, let me tell you something about MAD, folks. | ||
| They're a front for the government. | ||
| It has nothing to do with drunk driving. | ||
| It's about a police state setting up automatic toll roads on all highways, automatic checkpoint systems. | ||
| They passed the federal laws, the federal funding to do it. | ||
| Back in 1998, and it's in my film, Police State 2000, released in early 99. So that's the reality of what we're dealing with. | ||
| That's what you're dealing with? | ||
| Yeah, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. | ||
| The front. | ||
| The front for the government. | ||
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Globalist. | |
| I get it. | ||
| Alex thinks that people should just be allowed to drive drunk because the state shouldn't impede your liberty or ability to travel or whatever. | ||
| In present day, I would be totally convinced this position just came from a place of him just being a complete alcoholic and not wanting to get pulled over. | ||
| But in the past, he doesn't seem like he's that out of control. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's maybe just be libertarian bullshit. | ||
| It's fun to argue against, but not fun to live in a world where it's okay. | ||
| Whatever the case, it is fun to hear that Mothers Against Drunk Driving is a secret globalist front trying to bring in the police state. | ||
| Always great. | ||
| They're not as much of an active force, apparently, in the world in 2023 for Alex. | ||
| Their role in the hierarchy just below Klaus Schwab. | ||
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Who pushed them down out of the headlines? | |
| Alex got bored. | ||
| So here's the reality that Alex doesn't want to deal with. | ||
| Literally nothing that we do stops drunk driving. | ||
| Education campaigns don't work because... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| drunk driving is dangerous, and yet people still do it. | ||
| People know that there are serious consequences, legally speaking, and that you could kill yourself or others, and yet... | ||
| They still do it. | ||
| By the time you're at the point of deciding to drive drunk or not, you're drunk, and your decision-making skills are impaired. | ||
| And that means at least some of the people who totally know better and would never decide to drive drunk do so anyway. | ||
| And then they kill people. | ||
| For some context, in the year 2000, 32% of traffic fatalities involved at least one driver over.08 BAC. | ||
| In 2021, it was 31%. | ||
| In 2021, there were actually 160 additional fatalities involving alcohol-impaired drivers than there were 21 years prior, and you can pretty much just guarantee that every year at least 10,000 people are going to die for no reason because people drive drunk. | ||
| This isn't to say that drawing blood at checkpoints is the right solution, but it is to say that people have every reason to propose solutions like this to solve a seemingly unsolvable problem. | ||
| Alex's solution seems to be do nothing. | ||
| And that doesn't sound super convincing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I get that all this seems like a horrible tyranny to him, but I do wonder how his perspective might change if one of his children were killed by a drunk driver. | ||
| That's a large part of what motivated the creation of MAD, the tragedy of this becoming personally real. | ||
| It's just an abstraction to Alex, so as long as the issue remains abstract, he's able to paint those traumatized by the issue as evil people trying to promote tyranny. | ||
| To recognize the legitimate human motivation in trying to fight an issue like... | ||
| Drunk driving would be to critically weaken his own fragile position, so it's much easier just to demonize these people. | ||
| And granted, I don't think that taking blood at checkpoints is the right solution. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I get that it is in service of this, and it isn't something that was widespread. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, there's, I mean, you can't, you can't do it because we're, I mean, prohibition didn't even stop drunk driving, you know? | ||
| Like, there's nothing you can do. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| I didn't include a clip, but Alex goes on a log jag on this episode about how Prohibition was a conspiracy. | ||
| Well, Prohibition was... | ||
| I mean, Prohibition wasn't a conspiracy, but it was essentially, hey, we've got to keep men from beating the shit out of their wives all the time. | ||
| And then they were like, well, what if we just got rid of booze? | ||
| And then they found out that you can't just get rid of shit. | ||
| That's just not how shit works. | ||
| Oh, no, it was a conspiracy in order to make booze illegal so you could create a police state by chasing down people who had booze. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Men thought a lot of things about things that are made to keep them from hitting people. | ||
| So Mothers Against Drunk Driving, bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, the beginning of this... | ||
| Becoming an episode for Alex is that he read an article in the Wall Street Journal that had to do with taking blood from people in order to verify their blood alcohol content. | ||
| Wild that you could read that in the Wall Street Journal and not immediately go like, we gotta call somebody who, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| They're just taking blood? | ||
| Fine! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Obviously, the article itself doesn't quite match Alex's version of things. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So there's an article. | ||
| The district attorney vampire is somebody who's mentioned in the article, who was interviewed with in the article. | ||
| So that's how this ball got rolling. | ||
| And there's some other stuff in this article that's actually pretty disturbing. | ||
| And in this article, it says, in push to stop drunk driving, police draw blood. | ||
| Authorities often must force suspects to give shambles. | ||
| A dilemma for doctors. | ||
| Wall Street Journal. | ||
| And that subheadline, Mr. Jones dies fighting. | ||
| They kicked his face in. | ||
| They tied him down and kicked his face in until his eye actually fell out, caved the whole eye in. | ||
| And he died. | ||
| And they got their blood. | ||
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Because it's America where we jab needles in your jet points. | |
| Because we're free! | ||
| So Alex is mixing up some stories here. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| The whole story is about police taking blood at checkpoints, which Alex is staunchly opposed to. | ||
| But then he takes this Wall Street Journal article and tries to use it to support his point, but it doesn't work. | ||
| This guy that he's referring to, Terry Jones, almost certainly died because of police brutality, and an autopsy did show that he was kicked in the head, which contributed to his death. | ||
| That's inexcusable, and nothing I'm saying is to minimize what the police did here, but it doesn't really work for Alex's argument. | ||
| Jones was already in custody at the time. | ||
| The police had found him asleep behind the wheel of his parked car, which was still running, and there was an open 22-ounce beer in his car. | ||
| So... | ||
| He was pretty much going to get arrested. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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He was arrested, and then he was taken to the station where he allegedly threatened and fought the officers who were attempting to do a blood test. | |
| Police obviously should have had better protocol of how to subdue somebody who's in custody, but that's a different issue than the one Alex is grandstanding about. | ||
| For this to make sense, Alex is going to need to expand his complaint out and have it to be about, like, the police shouldn't be able to compel you to do anything, even if you've already been arrested. | ||
| And I think that's a tough argument for him to make. | ||
| However, It is kind of nice that in 2004, Alex was against police killing people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the bar is about as low as it can be. | ||
| It is about as low as it can be. | ||
| It is shocking to recognize that there was a time when he dealt with this a lot differently because his brand was so police state oriented that his racism did not eclipse his fear of the police. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Those were the days when we could all be united around an actual enemy. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| So, in this instance, this is Terry Jones. | ||
| This person was... | ||
| I would say a victim of the implied consent rules, where they were going to compel a blood sample from him, and then he was fighting with them. | ||
| Yeah, I would do that. | ||
| Probably because he was still drunk, also. | ||
| Well, there's definitely that, but... | ||
| I mean, that's so stupid, though. | ||
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That's... | |
| I think in a large part, that's why it is not the case around anymore. | ||
| So Alex introduces this vampire district attorney, who is not a vampire. | ||
| No? | ||
| And Alex actually probably should have prepared a little bit before he did this interview. | ||
| Suddenly, Mr. Jones went limp. | ||
| The coroner ruled Mr. Jones died of an acute cardiac arrhythmia, a heart rhythm disturbance, but a second autopsy performed by a retired deputy medical examiner. | ||
| The request of Mrs. Jones' widow found that his head had been beaten and his left eye crushed. | ||
| Had it happened for the trauma, he probably would not have died. | ||
| The doctor testified. | ||
| And it said last March, a jury ruled the police and jail officials weren't responsible. | ||
| Paul Martin, the jail's chief, says it now uses a specially made chair with Velcro straps to restrain drivers brought in for forced blood draws. | ||
| Joining us is a district attorney from a different area of the country, John O 'Boyle, district attorney of Pierce County, Wisconsin. | ||
| And we're honored to have him on the show. | ||
| He says that I've really pushed it. | ||
| He believes in it. | ||
| And he says blood tests tend to be pretty bulletproof, close quote. | ||
| Sir, it's good to have you on the show. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So you're a big fan of this. | ||
| When did the blood drawing start? | ||
| Well, I'm a big fan of having officers obtain and do blood tests as their primary test under our law. | ||
| When they arrest somebody for an OWI, they have a choice between either having the person submit to a breath test, a urine test, or a blood test. | ||
| And I've advocated for them to always use the blood test because it's the best result. | ||
| Now, let's make that clear. | ||
| In the stacks of mainstream news articles I have, and I've mainly seen this out west, they don't give you a choice. | ||
| They say, we're taking your blood on the side of the road. | ||
| Were you aware of that? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| We don't do that in Wisconsin. | ||
| Oops. | ||
| So you can see here how Alex is trying to finesse this interview from the jump. | ||
| His moves are intentional, but also very clunky, and I think that there's a lack of preparation that hurt the trap that he was trying to set here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex's first move is to recover this story about Terry Jones dying in custody because it's important for Alex to ascribe approval of that killing onto the guest. | ||
| The guest supports the drawing of blood to verify DUI arrests, so he therefore must support killing Mr. Jones. | ||
| That's obviously a nonsense conclusion to draw, but it's the frame that Alex is trying to begin the interview with. | ||
| The second big move is a complete failure on Alex's part. | ||
| Unfortunately, Alex didn't prepare and doesn't know that that isn't something that they do in Wisconsin, so now he essentially is lost in the weeds of the conversation. | ||
| He knows that this needs to be an adversarial interview, since that's how he... | ||
| The entire first half hour of the show has set this thing up, but now his guest has stated that they don't do the thing Alex is so mad about. | ||
| So in order for this to remain emotionally satisfying for the audience, Alex is going to need to find another thing to attack O 'Boyle about, or else this thing is going to flounder in the water. | ||
| We're screwed. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| You can save this. | ||
| You can save this very easily. | ||
| I mean, just because he says that doesn't mean anything, you know? | ||
| Like, oh, you say that now, sure, but... | ||
| It exists. | ||
| You're drawing blood, so that means it's going to go over time in either two ways. | ||
| It's going to be you can draw it right next to the sidewalk, or it's going to be you can't do it at all. | ||
| That's how it moves in the future. | ||
| So you have to defend it now. | ||
| There's no reason to assume that it goes that way. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| There's no other way for stuff to go. | ||
| It can just stay the same. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Drawing blood on the side of the road can just stay the same? | ||
| No, because it doesn't exist! | ||
| Yes, it does! | ||
| Not in Wisconsin! | ||
| But it will! | ||
| See? | ||
| This is how you argue. | ||
| It doesn't have to make sense that you have to argue. | ||
| It certainly doesn't make sense. | ||
| That's not the point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the obvious thing here is that Alex has a decent point if he wants it, which is taking blood without consent or without a court order is bad. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he just chose to stand on that leg, things kind of would be fine. | ||
| Well, here's the problem. | ||
| The DA wouldn't disagree with him really at all. | ||
| And then there wouldn't be a disagreement. | ||
| Ultimately, the conversation has to be just like, listen. | ||
| I don't know if in this case it's used appropriately or not, but I do know that in the history of the United States, the one thing that they can't have is control over my blood. | ||
| I can't let them have it, and I'll tell you why. | ||
| Read the history of the United States. | ||
| The government should not have my blood. | ||
| You end up in an argument where Alex has one position, which is they should not be able to take blood without consent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you have a DA who's like, we don't do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know about other states. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you're kind of at a stalemate where you want to pillory this guy, you want to attack him, and then you have to attack him for things that other states are doing that presumably he is not in favor of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I say you switch texts and then you start asking for his blood. | ||
| I don't think that's a terrible idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's over the phone. | ||
| Give me your blood right now. | ||
| Mail it. | ||
| I dare you. | ||
| Alex does have to kind of weave around a little bit and try and figure out how to do this interview. | ||
| How long ago did Wisconsin start this? | ||
| They're doing what? | ||
| The blood testing. | ||
| Oh, I think it's been around for quite a long time. | ||
| I mean, I've been prosecuting here for ten years, and, you know, we've always advocated to have the officers utilize a blood test as their primary test as opposed to the breath or the urine test, just because it's more accurate. | ||
| Now, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but, I mean, imagine an old black-and-white movie if the Germans on the train would have been sticking needles in people. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| The government's sticking needles in us. | ||
| You don't think that's Big Brother? | ||
| I don't think in the context of an OWI arrest, no, because they lawfully can do it. | ||
| A blood draw can be done. | ||
| This is a tragic start for the interview for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| I don't think he intended to pull out the Nazis on the train imagery so early. | ||
| Too soon! | ||
| But it feels like he has nowhere to go and he's panicked. | ||
| O 'Boyle has a sensible answer for Alex's questions and Wisconsin isn't doing the shit that Alex is wanting to argue about, so... | ||
| What ground are we going to dispute here? | ||
| We've got to find something to fight about. | ||
| I mean, Godwin's Law is supposed to be after at least a few back and forths. | ||
| It's not like Godwin's Law. | ||
| The first thing anybody says is, you're a Nazi. | ||
| That's not how it's supposed to work. | ||
| It's supposed to be like, we have a disagreement. | ||
| Not just like, hey, you're a Nazi! | ||
| Or don't you think this thing that you don't do but I'm accusing you of is Nazi-ish? | ||
| Also, I think, I don't want to be insensitive, but I think... | ||
| In the context of why Nazis were putting people on trains, doing a DUI test is not necessarily, like, that's not a big thing in terms of what they were doing. | ||
| If you found out they were doing a DUI test, you would have been filled with relief. | ||
| That is the way I would view it. | ||
| It's a strange way for Alex to try and ascribe Nazi-ishness. | ||
| To police doing DUI tests. | ||
| One thing that this does already bring to the table, which I always enjoy, is when somebody who thinks they are just doing their job... | ||
| Is then interacting with Alex. | ||
| Already you can feel this guy just being like, I'm just explaining my job. | ||
| I'm not doing anything controversial. | ||
| I'm not doing anything. | ||
| I'm not even trying to make a point. | ||
| I'm just telling you. | ||
| It's like you're coming to visit me at work. | ||
| It takes him a while to get the lay of the land. | ||
| But he does eventually get to the point where he's like, oh. | ||
| Oh, I get it. | ||
| You're a dick. | ||
| So there's an issue of impairment with driving, obviously, that's behind why these things are done. | ||
| So what about non-booze impairment? | ||
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| Yeah, how do you feel about that, asshole? | ||
| Now, the officer thinks they're on drugs. | ||
| In the other states I've seen, they say that they take the blood to also look for other drugs. | ||
| Right, and we've done that, too. | ||
| We've had, once the blood test has been obtained, the result has been obtained, we have them all sent to our state laboratory of hygiene, and most of the time they're just doing the screens for alcohol, but we've also, on occasion... | ||
| Have them run a screen for drugs, too, because we have seen situations where there's a combination of drugs and alcohol. | ||
| What do you do if it's legal drugs? | ||
| Because Ritalin is legal methamphetamine. | ||
| Prozac is a legal hallucinogen. | ||
| I mean, what do you do about all the legal drugs they've got everybody hopped up on? | ||
| Well, it depends, because our law actually, conceivably, you could be prosecuted for operating under the influence of a... | ||
| Of a drug, even though the drug is legal, if it impairs your ability to safely operate. | ||
| So if you don't commit suicide from the Prozac, you'll end up in jail either way, so it's kind of a great system. | ||
| Well, not necessarily, no. | ||
| I'm sure you heard about the suicide with the drugs. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| So the question of impairment by legal drugs is an interesting and complex matter. | ||
| You have all sorts of variables to consider in that space, like whether or not the person was taking the medication legally or as indicated by their prescription. | ||
| It's very conceivable that somebody could be arrested for driving impaired by legal medication. | ||
| In fact, it happens a bunch. | ||
| One of the most clear-cut examples of this is Zolpidem, or Ambien, the sleeping pill that can cause people to do all sorts of shit they don't remember if they don't take it correctly or if something just goes weird with their body chemistry. | ||
| Tons of people arrested for driving while impaired by Ambien, and the fact that they have legal access to the medication doesn't protect them from prosecution. | ||
| The dangers of Prozac to your ability to drive are much smaller and would generally involve something like you suffering from a side effect like insomnia from the medication, which would then, in turn, impair your driving. | ||
| But you can see what Alex is doing here, which is basically him desperately trying to find a foothold. | ||
| He's throwing out the most loosely connected talking points because he's trying to find some kind of way to have a gotcha moment. | ||
| O 'Boyle has openly discussed how even some legal drugs can cause impaired driving and that can get you arrested, but agreement isn't what Alex is after. | ||
| He's out for a dunk, so he takes this moment of agreement to extend things further outside the real parameters of what this interview is supposed to be about, hoping to create the appearance that he needs. | ||
| Also, if Alex is really concerned about impaired driving for medications like Prozac, Then I would think that you should be super in favor of blood testing. | ||
| If you're not going to catch somebody with Prozac with a breath test, this is a point of incoherence in his position because he doesn't really have a position that ties together as much as he has a collection of separate stands he likes to take that are rooted in oppositional defiance. | ||
| And like I'm saying, if this is sincerely just Alex being opposed to implied consent in various states, that makes sense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that's not. | ||
| No, that's not what he's doing. | ||
| No. | ||
| I find it fascinating. | ||
| The term implied consent doesn't even come up. | ||
| Here's what I find fascinating. | ||
| And I think we all know it because it's something that we all do. | ||
| Like, we have a specific tone of voice created for a hysterical dick question. | ||
| You know, that like, oh yeah, well what about this? | ||
| Like, we all know it. | ||
| We've all exercised it at a certain point or another. | ||
| We all internalize the fact that we know if you make that voice, You're the one being an asshole. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You know it. | ||
| There's no other way around it. | ||
| Why is it that we allow it to just happen? | ||
| Like, if you hear that, shouldn't you be allowed to just go like, ha ha, I heard it. | ||
| Ha ha. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Well, you do have to at least start to think like, these are deep waters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am not talking to somebody who wishes me well in this interview. | ||
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| I hear the sounds you're making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it only kind of gets worse. | ||
| Has anybody died not giving blood in Wisconsin? | ||
| No, not that I'm aware of. | ||
| And all our draws are done either in a hospital setting or we've had a medical provider come into the actual jail and do the draw there. | ||
| What do you do if somebody refuses? | ||
| Kill them! | ||
| If somebody refuses, and we've had this situation come up where they've essentially said... | ||
| You know, you're going to have to hold me down to do it, and the law does allow us to use, the officers to use reasonable amount of force to obtain the blood sample, but typically what happens is the suspect will ask the nurse if they can do it, and the nurse will tell them, yeah, they can, and then the person cooperates. | ||
| In 10 years, I've not seen a situation in my county where somebody's actually been physically... | ||
| Were you familiar with the executive order Clinton signed in 93 for urine and blood testing at driver's license facilities? | ||
| That's actually the law, but they've never implemented it. | ||
| I wonder what people are going to think going to get their driver's license when it's not just biometrics, but they want our blood. | ||
| I'm not aware of that at all, and I don't think that's done up here at all. | ||
| Have you heard of the public schools now wanting that President Bush wants to drug test everybody? | ||
| Yeah, he gave a radio address a few weeks ago. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| A radio address? | ||
| Oh, a radio address. | ||
| So Alex is implementing his next strategy to win the argument here by trying to make O 'Boyle look uninformed by ambushing him with a bunch of weird Infowars talking points that he clearly has no familiarity with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The audience has heard Alex say these things and things like them for years, and they've been trained to think that if Alex is saying something, that it means something. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| So the effect here is to make O 'Boyle look like a total idiot. | ||
| He doesn't even know that Clinton signed this executive order demanding your blood? | ||
| Sure, he may sound like a totally reasonable guy, but this guy's uninformed. | ||
| How can I even take anything he's saying seriously? | ||
| In his county, there's never been people being held down. | ||
| Please. | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| If you don't know that Clinton is trying to get your blood, then you shouldn't be an attorney general. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's just a prerequisite for the job. | ||
| District attorney. | ||
| I've been on LinkedIn. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| District Attorney? | ||
| Oh, well then that's fine. | ||
| Never mind, he's doing the right thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just a load of shit. | ||
| And again, I keep coming back to this. | ||
| If Alex had the right argument, he has a good point. | ||
| Yeah, no, 100%. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| It is the way it is. | ||
| Anyway, this was always meant to be a fight. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And Alex is not getting there. | ||
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How... | |
| Could you? | ||
| You have to alert someone to... | ||
| Manny Pacquiao doesn't walk up into the fucking stands and punch somebody in the head. | ||
| They do a whole thing! | ||
| Alex started... | ||
| Pacquiao, what am I doing? | ||
| How old am I? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex started this off, though, with, here's a DA who loves taking her blood at checkpoints and he wants to talk all about it. | ||
| It is a start. | ||
| And it is not what this is. | ||
| If this was that... | ||
| There would have been an organic fight that would have started. | ||
| But this guy doesn't have the positions that Alex has ascribed to him, and it's not working out. | ||
| So Alex just has to get with the script and be like, look, I want to have a fight with you. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard that a lot of schools are moving to drug testing everybody. | ||
| You didn't hear that? | ||
| Drug testing teachers or students? | ||
| All the students. | ||
| No, I'm not aware of that. | ||
| What do you think of that? | ||
| Well, I guess it depends on what the circumstances are for the particular school. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's hard to comment on something like that. | ||
| Let me just say this. | ||
| Okay, the Mothers Against Drunk Driving and the rest of it, and I've got the federal plans on this, the National Seatbelt Initiative Program Part 3. They admit it's about getting us used to checkpoints, getting us used to having our vehicles hurt, getting us used to having our masters, the government, our owners, and I appreciate the great job you do owning us and running us. | ||
| But at the same time, people are getting very angry about this. | ||
| And, you know, I'm not going to give my blood to anybody. | ||
| I don't drink and drive. | ||
| And, you know, so I guess the police now are judge, jury, and executioner. | ||
| They just go ahead and arrest me and take me on down to have my blood sucked. | ||
| Or if I'm in Nevada or if I'm in someplace like Arizona, I guess they'll just hold me down on the side of the highway in a bed of fire ants and jab the needles into me. | ||
| You know, I don't know what goes on in those other states. | ||
| I only deal with what goes on in my jurisdiction and my state. | ||
| I would find that kind of hard to believe that that would happen. | ||
| Yeah, you would. | ||
| Not taking the bait. | ||
| You would find it kind of hard to believe. | ||
| So this is the real point Alex wanted to get to from the start. | ||
| This is the point where he gets to pretend he's speaking truth to power, where he takes a stand against the man. | ||
| It's just kind of not that compelling, though, because Alex fucked up with how he set up the skit. | ||
| This was supposed to be a district attorney who loves taking your blood at checkpoints, which would have given Alex a perfect opportunity to take his stand and bombast this evildoer on behalf of the American people out there who don't have the voice that Alex has. | ||
| You will not take my blood at a- Checkpoint, sir! | ||
| But that failed, because this guy doesn't do the thing that Alex said he does, and he doesn't know about these other laws and states enough to comment on them. | ||
| So yelling at him for that just isn't going to fly. | ||
| So Alex needed to pivot, and he starts trying to find the other little footholds where he might be able to get a chance to fight with him. | ||
| Maybe he won't support arrests for people who are impaired by legal drugs. | ||
| That could work. | ||
| Maybe he'll be really into tying people down to forcibly take their blood after their arrest. | ||
| That wouldn't be the same fight as I was supposed to be having, but it's close. | ||
| All this failed, so now Alex is trying to manufacture whatever fight he can, and his last attempt is about how Bush apparently said on the radio that he wants to drug test I don't get him. | ||
| That didn't really spark a conflict, so Alex has no other option left than just to whine at him anyway as if they'd had a serious disagreement because that was the point all along. | ||
| The point all along was to pretend that Alex is up against the avatar of the government who just wants to oppress everyone, so Alex gets to be the heroic voice of the people saying, no, you will not! | ||
| This just wasn't built right. | ||
| And Alex just seems like he's whining. | ||
| It's just not justified. | ||
| This guy's polite, and he's sincerely answering Alex's questions, and then out of nowhere, Alex launches into this diatribe. | ||
| It's just unearned from a structural standpoint. | ||
| You know what blows me away even further is that Alex didn't even take the opportunity to see if a fight could start whenever he... | ||
| The guy was like, oh, most of our blood tests are taken in hospital settings or anything like that. | ||
| Alex should then immediately be like, okay, well then would you do it on the side of the road? | ||
| Like, if you had your job, like, start something. | ||
| He probably would say no. | ||
| Now here's the way you wedge the fight from there. | ||
| Do you feel that your officers... | ||
| Do you feel like they're making it seem like people have to do it when they don't actually have to do it? | ||
| You know, that kind of thing could be a much better way to wedge an argument into a fight there. | ||
| But Alex is just completely fucked up in how he built this fight. | ||
| Or then you could make up all kinds of shit once you've got the cops involved. | ||
| You can be like, you know, I've been hearing from a lot of people on the force in your area that they're against the rules that... | ||
| Why not make everything up? | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Who fucking cares? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why are you doing the shitty version of the thing you could be doing? | ||
| You've got this guy who probably isn't used to dealing with incredibly bad faith actors. | ||
| Doesn't even know you could be. | ||
| I think now in 2023, the whole of the world knows people like this exist. | ||
| In 2004, he is blindsided. | ||
| This existence is just not even... | ||
| This is an alien. | ||
| I was talking to your deputy yesterday, and he tells me blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You're like, no, that's physically impossible for you to have been doing that. | ||
| So we've laid out that we want to fight. | ||
| Alex has made it clear that this is not a cool interview. | ||
| White glove throne, yes. | ||
| And so now we're going to try and find other things to pick fights about. | ||
| I think it's scary that they're leaving the breathalyzer, which will find somebody if they're drunk, and moving into sticking needles in them. | ||
| That's very invasive. | ||
| Well, but the problem is, you know, the law does allow when somebody, at least in my state, and I'm sure this is probably consistent in other states, once you're placed lawfully under arrest for drunk driving, law enforcement officials have the option of obtaining evidence, and the blood is evidence of a crime. | ||
| So they're law enforcement officials and authorities, they're not servants? | ||
| What do you mean by... | ||
| Well, we used to, just ten years ago, it was law enforcement, public servants, peace officers. | ||
| It's enforcement now. | ||
| It's authorities. | ||
| It's officials. | ||
| Well, I'm not sure. | ||
| Semantics. | ||
| You know, a police officer puts somebody under arrest for an OWI, and, you know, they have the lawful he can obtain evidence. | ||
| What I'm saying, sir, is that the semantics are very important. | ||
| For ten years now, we've been called civilians. | ||
| Police are civilians. | ||
| Our mayor here in Austin calls us civilians. | ||
| Is this a military government? | ||
| I don't know what your mayor calls down there. | ||
| The semantic argument is meaningless. | ||
| This is just a weird direction that he's taking things in when there is a prime road to go down if you want to talk about the issue, which is... | ||
| After you're arrested, you don't have the right to say no to your blood being taken? | ||
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| There is the issue. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| There is the point. | ||
| Instead, you're talking about what terms are used, because I don't know why. | ||
| What exactly are my rights the moment that you arrest me? | ||
| You can take all my blood? | ||
| How much blood exactly do you get to have after I'm arrested, as far as consent is concerned? | ||
| And how much do you get personally? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Are you a vampire? | ||
| It would have been good to clarify. | ||
| It would have helped. | ||
| So Alex lays out his point here, and... | ||
| Eloquently is a word you didn't add there. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I reserve judgment on that. | ||
| But I do think that he doesn't do it well in a way that is not easy to sidestep. | ||
| Well, look, this is the point I'm trying to make to you. | ||
| I'm a little lost at the point. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Well, Mr. O 'Boyle, you know, I had you on. | ||
| You don't sound like a mean guy, so I'm not going to jump on you like I planned to do. | ||
| But this is what I'm trying to say to you, okay? | ||
| This is what I'm trying to get across to you. | ||
| You can say it's the law. | ||
| We had a law that black people weren't human beings. | ||
| That doesn't make it just. | ||
| We had a law that black people couldn't ride at the front of the bus. | ||
| That doesn't make it just. | ||
| We had a law that women couldn't vote. | ||
| That doesn't make it just. | ||
| So just because the courts say that you can have the nice men down at the jail sticking needles in us, and you've got your reasons to stop the evil drunk drivers, it's scary, it's out of control, it's Big Brother. | ||
| I guess that's your opinion. | ||
| I don't necessarily agree with that. | ||
| And that's as easy as it is to move to the side of it. | ||
| Sir, I'm a district attorney for a small county in Wisconsin. | ||
| I didn't get into this business to, I guess, get on radio fights with you? | ||
| Is that what your goal is? | ||
| Well, the issue, too, is that people putting needles in you is not Orwellian or Nazi-ish or whatever he wants to say. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The idea that you don't have the ability to not consent to it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is the distinction that Alex is failing to make in order to make this conversation make sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is trouble. | ||
| And because Alex is saying that, it is easy just to be like, that's your opinion. | ||
| You think that the police should not be able to take blood samples, period? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think the police should not be able to take blood samples, period. | ||
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| I haven't thought about it enough. | ||
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| I think mainly because, and this isn't a good argument for all things, but in this case, I think it is 100% accurate, is 100,000 years ago, Needle would have scared my ancestors. | ||
| Same difference. | ||
| Your ancestors would have been scared of piss, too. | ||
| Should they not be able to take a urine sample? | ||
| I didn't say it was good for all arguments. | ||
| I just said it was good for this one. | ||
| But I mean, it does introduce the question of where Alex is. | ||
| Line would be, like, can they not take fingerprints if they arrest you? | ||
| I mean, at a certain point, you're asking what information... | ||
| Can they take from me that I don't even know they can take from? | ||
| And that's the issue. | ||
| With fingerprints, if what you've got is my fingerprint and that is a fingerprint, fine. | ||
| If you take my blood, you can find out all kinds of fucking shit from that stuff. | ||
| Blood's got everything in there. | ||
| You can clone me and shit? | ||
| I'm not letting you clone me! | ||
| They're not gonna clone you? | ||
| Oh, I'm so clonable! | ||
| I'm the most clonable person! | ||
| I feel like the market for Jordan clones is low. | ||
| I say this with respect. | ||
| I got great organs. | ||
| I say this with all due respect because as I say it to you, I say it to me. | ||
| Equally valid about myself, we are not things that the world wants more than one of. | ||
| We are not great. | ||
| We have all sorts of problems in our blood. | ||
| Not prime blood. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I don't think either of us would ever claim to be part of any master race. | ||
| So Alex tries to find some bit of agreement in as much as, like, the roadside shit's bad, right? | ||
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| And this is an interesting tack, because he's been trying to sow division and start a fight on all these other fronts, and now this is like... | ||
| Let's become buddies. | ||
| Well, I don't know about that, but at least come together on this point. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, if I got you the articles out in Nevada and places where they do it on the side of the road, but we found photos this morning of the police sticking the needle in somebody on the side of the road. | ||
| I mean, so you agree that's pretty scary. | ||
| Well, I would agree that I would wonder why that's being done before I would go that far. | ||
| What authority would they have to do? | ||
| If it was being done with absolutely no lawful authority, yeah, that's scary. | ||
| Well, you know the law. | ||
| We're under arrest when the blue and reds go on. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| I mean, I am a lawyer. | ||
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| No, I doubt that. | ||
| You haven't watched Fox News with the chases? | ||
| I don't get Fox News up here. | ||
| This is not great argumentation Alex is deploying. | ||
| This is compelling radio. | ||
| So now we tried to find this agreement about the roadside blood draws. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it looked like there was a potential for some agreement there. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Until Alex makes the very controversial statement that as soon as the cherries and berries go on, you're under arrest. | ||
| That is an issue. | ||
| Which is not true. | ||
| That is a problem. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| That's a weird thought. | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| I mean, I guess in this construction of what's the cherries and berries go on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're under arrest. | ||
| Alex is assuming he's guilty of something, right? | ||
| Or he's going to be set up for something. | ||
| But I mean, I feel like the real life scenario where Alex is taking this visage of once the stars and bars go out, you know, that whole thing. | ||
| That's the flag. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I was trying out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because there's also... | ||
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Whatever. | |
| So, he's drunk in this scenario. | ||
| He's driving drunk. | ||
| Or he's like me when I was high. | ||
| Like when I was a kid and I was stoned driving around. | ||
| I'm like, if those lights go on, I'm going to prison. | ||
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I'm fucked. | |
| I'm going to have to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've imagined throwing drugs out the window. | ||
| May have thrown drugs out the window. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not the reality, though. | ||
| And Alex is acting like... | ||
| Okay, just because when the lights go on, the situation has changed. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That doesn't mean you're under arrest. | ||
| It just means the situation has changed. | ||
| You have to pull over. | ||
| It does feel like if there is anybody that I would want in my front seat less, then I'm going five miles over the speed limit and the lights go on. | ||
| Alex, I don't want you there, man. | ||
| Alex pulls out a gun and starts shooting backwards at the tires. | ||
| No, no, stop. | ||
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Come on. | |
| No. | ||
| So anyway, Alex now wants to pick a fight about whether or not you're under arrest once the lights go on. | ||
| So you're saying I'm not under arrest in your county when the blue and reds go on? | ||
| All right, right. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Well, then what am I under when they do that? | ||
| You're being stopped. | ||
| You're not under arrest. | ||
| Well, I don't think you've read the case law. | ||
| Pardon? | ||
| I don't think you've read the case law. | ||
| Oh, I'm well familiar with the case law in my state. | ||
| Well, let me just bring this up to you. | ||
| I'm sure you heard about the Supreme Court case about you have to show your ID. | ||
| The courts have ruled hundreds of times, over 20 times in the Supreme Court, that... | ||
| You don't have to show your ID walking down the street. | ||
| You do with a motor vehicle, they claim. | ||
| But the Supreme Court is moving to say, oh, you've got to show your ID. | ||
| I mean, do you think I've got to show my ID when I'm walking my dog? | ||
| Legally, you don't have to. | ||
| I mean, you just said that. | ||
| But they still arrest people all the time for it. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Well, that's a pretty broad, sweeping statement. | ||
| In Austin, Texas, it's called failure to ID. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| It's called failure to ID here. | ||
| You're in Texas, correct? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I'm not familiar with your state's laws, so... | ||
| Look, I'm just trying to pick your brain on several issues here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do like the way he's like, oh, I know what you're trying to do. | ||
| He gets the picture of what's going on now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's good to know that Alex is probably against, like, stop and frisk. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I guess he probably was at this point. | ||
| I'm sure he's worried about all of them. | ||
| He's, um, you know... | ||
| I think you do make an interesting, although not successful, argument when you say, when I'm walking around, I don't have to provide my ID for no reason, but when I'm driving, I do. | ||
| It seems like if there's a critical difference between the two, then maybe... | ||
| Would a murder weapon be a critical difference between the two? | ||
| A giant bomb? | ||
| Perhaps moving at high speed? | ||
| Would that be a difference between the two? | ||
| What if you're walking around with a giant bomb? | ||
| I feel like maybe show some ID! | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You can't take my blood, but if I'm walking around with a comically large bomb that has a skull and crossbones on it and you ask for my ID, I say, reasonable question. | ||
| You get a license for that bomb? | ||
| Totally reasonable. | ||
| Totally reasonable. | ||
| The answer's no, but it's a reasonable question. | ||
| Well, I guess by this standard, it does give kind of a glimpse into Alex's brain. | ||
| And that is that if you're under arrest the second you start an interaction with a cop, then it just means we are all preemptively under arrest right now. | ||
| You know, that's the brain state that he's in. | ||
| We are always in a liminal space between arrests. | ||
| Once our paths intersect with a cop. | ||
| We are either pre- or post-interrest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that seems to me to be paranoid. | ||
| I mean, I think what is actually very interesting about that, Of all of the things, is that I do believe that that paranoia of the cops is indicative less of paranoia on his part and more on the absolute and utter abuse of police in this fucking country. | ||
| I think for other people, maybe. | ||
| But for Alex, no. | ||
| For Alex, yeah, I agree with you there. | ||
| But I mean, that is the type of paranoia that is 100% a... | ||
| If not, like... | ||
| Super reasonable? | ||
| It is not unreasonable to believe that the cops are against you. | ||
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I... | |
| Here's a... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here is... | ||
| It's not unreasonable. | ||
| Here is the distinction. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you believe that if you are interacting with a cop, things could go bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That has a kernel of rationality based on external circumstances, the world, the past information. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If you believe that according to case law, the second you interact with a cop, you're under arrest, something's wrong. | ||
| There is something wrong there. | ||
| That is an absolutely incorrect belief. | ||
| I think I would have taken that opportunity if I was him. | ||
| Because he'll never get it again. | ||
| But I'd just be like, listen, Alex, in a very straightforward, non-egotistical way, non-threatening way, I'm not even trying to be a big man here. | ||
| This isn't about that. | ||
| Alex, I'm the district attorney. | ||
| I am the law. | ||
| I am the case law. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| I did the case law. | ||
| This is my career. | ||
| This is what I do! | ||
| I never get to say I am the law. | ||
| I would go a different direction with that. | ||
| I would be like, no ego, none of that shit. | ||
| Same prelude you gave. | ||
| But I'd be like, you're a mess, man. | ||
| You're on some whack shit, Alex. | ||
| You need to talk to somebody. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Let's end the interview right now. | ||
| I'll go get a drink with you. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| You need help. | ||
| I'll give you some legal advice. | ||
| Do you need legal advice? | ||
| You're under arrest. | ||
| I gotcha! | ||
| So, Alex keeps up his other strategy that he was employing, which was throwing out news stories in order to try and confuse and befuddle the district attorney. | ||
| Did you hear about Tulia, Texas, where they arrested the 50-plus people? | ||
| No drugs or paraphernalia found? | ||
| You know, I'm in Wisconsin. | ||
| I don't keep up with the news that goes on in your state. | ||
| Well, my point is, I don't even trust the government now to give us real tests, to give us real results. | ||
| Separate complaint. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| I don't even... | ||
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Mr. Boyle? | |
| Yeah? | ||
| I don't have confidence in this government. | ||
| I don't have confidence in its activities. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Is there something wrong with me? | ||
| You certainly are entitled to your opinion. | ||
| I suppose if you don't like it, you can move, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| I mean, yeah, but I'm going to stay here. | ||
| I want to make people move out of the country that... | ||
| That want to pull me over and jab needles in my arm. | ||
| I mean, I want America to be America, Mr. Boyle. | ||
| Oh, Boyle. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I'm trying to find something out here. | ||
| Have you heard about the national news stories about cameras in school bathrooms? | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| No. | ||
| And you keep asking me about stories here, there, and everywhere. | ||
| No, I'm not aware of those. | ||
| Well, because it all goes together. | ||
| wanted to talk about OWI laws and blood draws, not newspaper articles from all over I have no idea why he hasn't hung up. | ||
| All those long silences, clearly it's just like, I don't know what he's talking about, I have nothing to say here, just hang up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, at the very least be like, excuse me, what am I still doing here? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| I could just not be here. | ||
| Do you think I'm involved in putting cameras in school bathrooms? | ||
| I mean, there is a part of it like... | ||
| Actually, let's move this into a different... | ||
| Can I help you with something? | ||
| This is now a business call that will be ending if I cannot perform customer service. | ||
| I think he's more kind of bemused by, like... | ||
| What is even happening? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've seen a couple of instances of this happen where, like, normal people accidentally end up on Alex's show, and they're like, they have to put the pieces together of, like, what world am I in? | ||
| It takes a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex tries to explain why he's throwing out all these seemingly non-sequitur articles. | ||
| Well, because it all goes together. | ||
| I thought you wanted to talk about OWI laws and blood draws, not newspaper articles from all over the place. | ||
| I'm not familiar with them. | ||
| So it's really... | ||
| Well, let me give you an example of why I'm saying this. | ||
| You're prosecuting a guy that's got a long rap sheet. | ||
| You want to bring in his criminal record to the jury. | ||
| So I'm trying to give you a snapshot of the stuff that's going on to find out. | ||
| I want to see what's going on in your head, why you think this blood sucking is okay. | ||
| So I'm trying to find out here to see if you're informed, to see if you know what's going on. | ||
| About what? | ||
| About the Orwellian garbage. | ||
| Going on in the country. | ||
| I'm not sure what that has to do with my law enforcement officers in this office, our office, enforcing the OWI laws in the state of Wisconsin in my jurisdiction. | ||
| Well, have you read the Wall Street Journal article? | ||
| You know, I have not seen it. | ||
| I was surprised to actually get the phone call about this whole article because I have not seen it yet. | ||
| Were you interviewed by the Wall Street Journal? | ||
| Yeah, I was. | ||
| Quite some time ago. | ||
| Yeah, so he did this interview with the Wall Street Journal a while ago, didn't know the article was coming out, got this call from Alex, and boy, he should, you know, maybe the communications department where he's at is not up to snuff. | ||
| But again, people didn't know about Alex back then. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This just would have seemed like a regular radio interview request. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what the conversation was like. | ||
| Afterwards? | ||
| No, before. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| About whether or not to go... | ||
| I mean, afterwards it had to have been a fantastic time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't wonder about that. | ||
| I wish I was there. | ||
| Either we're all laughing or you're fired. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's no middle ground. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's just like he got the request, right? | ||
| There was probably somebody at the office who took it, who was like... | ||
| And then they just passed it off. | ||
| You know, there was no like... | ||
| Did they even Google Infowars? | ||
| Google existed in 2004. | ||
| Yeah, but I honestly think unless you spend a little time on the website, sometimes Infowars might not seem like that crazy of a website. | ||
| Because if you're not reading what's actually on the page, it kind of has the appearance of just like a news site. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and that is somewhat intentional. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Boy, it should be a lot harder than just, well, as long as you don't read, we've gotcha. | ||
| Actually, in 2004, it did look a little bit crazier. | ||
| They've streamlined things to not look so nuts. | ||
| But still, yeah, I would assume very little checking. | ||
| Yeah, there had to have been very little checking. | ||
| But again, there is just such a problem with Alex not being specific what his complaint is. | ||
| Because it's clearly the drawing blood at checkpoints. | ||
| Which this guy doesn't do. | ||
| He doesn't have any comment on because it's not done in his state. | ||
| Alex can shift the goalposts to implied consent being something that police are able to use in various states. | ||
| If he were to do this, it would make more sense. | ||
| If it's just drawing blood, this is a nonsensical conversation. | ||
| And saying, like, all this Orwellian garbage that's going on in the country, like, all these other stories, as if they connect. | ||
| Like, this guy isn't doing any of those things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So when you're trying to make the comparison to, like, you're prosecuting someone and you're bringing in their rap sheet, that's not his rap sheet. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think this is a secret that can get in the way for Alex. | ||
| Because another part of that... | ||
| It's not just like, let's start an argument with all of these nonsensical things that he's tossing out. | ||
| There's also a part of it that's like, let's hope he gives me the argument to give back to him. | ||
| Because there is like, okay, well, I can't understand what you're saying. | ||
| This happens all the time. | ||
| It happens with Trump and it happens with all these people where it's like... | ||
| You're talking to a reasonable person and they go, I can't understand what it was that you were just talking about because it was stupid and insane. | ||
| So I'm going to give you the largest possible benefit of the doubt and come up with something that sounds like that might be what you were trying to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I'm going to argue that. | ||
| But this guy's not doing that much. | ||
| He's not doing that. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Alex is getting nothing out of this. | ||
| And long silences. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, the interview ends. | ||
| Ends as well as it began. | ||
| It'd be almost impossible for me to comment on something that's happened in Nevada that I have no knowledge of. | ||
| Well, I mean, I literally read to you from the Wall Street Journal, and I'm just trying to talk about this progression here. | ||
| And as a public servant, as an official, an authority, I was trying to find out what your view on it is. | ||
| It's hard for me to give a view on something that I'm not familiar with. | ||
| Is that what we grew up to think of America, is guys in black uniforms holding somebody down and putting a needle in their arm? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It depends on each given person. | ||
| Do you guys still wear blue uniforms up there, or are they black uniforms? | ||
| I don't wear a uniform at all. | ||
| No, I mean the police. | ||
| You know, they have different colors. | ||
| Different agencies have different colors. | ||
| What's your county swatch? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| A skull or a cobra? | ||
| I don't think it's either one. | ||
| Black Widow? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, what is it then? | ||
| I'm almost thinking it's an eagle if they have a symbol at all. | ||
| An eagle? | ||
| I don't even know if they have a symbol, to be honest with you. | ||
| An eagle? | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| Good old eagle. | ||
| Is that all it takes? | ||
| Well, John O 'Boyle, I'll let you go and go read the article. | ||
| We appreciate you coming on the show. | ||
| I don't think you're a bad guy. | ||
| I think you mean well, but this isn't America. | ||
| And you need to research the things I've told you about because it's all documented. | ||
| Okay, right on it. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, sure thing, buddy. | ||
| That genuinely might as well be like, have you heard what Mr. Tumnus is doing in Narnia? | ||
| I'm going to dig into this as soon as I get a chance. | ||
| This isn't the Narnia I grew up with. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| You witnessed somebody who's a normal person navigate as best you can, really, an interview with Alex, and then end with a nice little jab that is very clear. | ||
| And the callers who call in later very clearly got like, he's not going to look into this stuff. | ||
| So it came across that it was disrespectful. | ||
| Yes, good, good. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| But in that Wisconsin way. | ||
| That Midwest disrespect. | ||
| There is a clash of disrespects between the Midwest and the Texas, you know? | ||
| I didn't hear a bless your heart once. | ||
| That's not Alex's kind of Southern disrespect. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| His disrespect is more like, you're a... | ||
| Fuck you, you pencil-necked piece of shit. | ||
| You dweeb fuck. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I will choke you out with my bare hands. | ||
| Or just like a traditional 80s bully. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this interview ends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex comes back from break. | ||
| Saying, what a great job I did. | ||
| No. | ||
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He has a little bit of news that it's shocking didn't come up in the interview. | |
| Right now, in Wisconsin, they're trying to pass a law, under federal funding, of course, to arrest adults to take your children. | ||
| Doesn't matter if you're an 80-year-old lady, you've got to take all the vaccines they say are mandatory. | ||
| Whenever they say, whenever new vaccines they come out and make mandatory, you've got to take those too. | ||
| And again, public officials, Our authorities, our masters, our rulers, our owners, our keepers, the people that run us and our lives and our free country will just say it's for your safety. | ||
| We're doing it for you. | ||
| We just had a district attorney from Wisconsin on the show. | ||
| Why didn't you bring us up with them? | ||
| That's the one place you did not talk about. | ||
| Constantly you brought up nonsense that has to do with other states. | ||
| From Canada. | ||
| His response was... | ||
| I cannot respond to that. | ||
| I don't really have a thought on that. | ||
| I don't know enough about their law. | ||
| I'm from Wisconsin. | ||
| Here's a story from Wisconsin. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| It would have gotten around that rebuttal that he has, but Alex didn't bring that up because he knows that this story is also full of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you bring it up afterwards. | ||
| Anyway, he succeeded, I think. | ||
| Alex did on one front. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And that is that he made O 'Boyle look stupid. | ||
| To the audience. | ||
| For? | ||
| By bringing up all these news stories that he didn't know about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so when he goes to calls, that is a theme that runs through. | ||
| Well, I guess up next is Drew in Texas. | ||
| Drew, go ahead. | ||
| Hi, Alex. | ||
| Good to talk to you again. | ||
| Good to talk to you. | ||
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I couldn't believe that character, that Boyle character, the DA in Wisconsin. | |
| Yes, Mr. Boyle on the surface of America. | ||
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I mean, the guy sounds like he's a high school dropout. | |
| He's a complete idiot. | ||
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I can't believe the people up there would vote for somebody like that. | |
| I assume they elect their DAs up there like they do here or everywhere else. | ||
| Well, you know, so many times you talk to the authorities, the officials, we're the civilians, and they just don't know anything. | ||
| But on that civilian point, you know, the semantics of how they're the military state. | ||
| He had to go, yeah, I've heard that. | ||
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What is that? | |
| The guy sounds like he's completely the dark about everything. | ||
| I mean, everything he brought up, he just, I'm not aware of this. | ||
| I'm not aware of that. | ||
| Was he even hiding under a rock or what? | ||
| Well, it's like Sergeant Schultz. | ||
| I know nothing. | ||
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I know nothing. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it is like that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, by throwing out all of this InfoWars inside nonsense, you're able to essentially protect yourself from having an embarrassing interview like Alex just did, because the audience will view this person as, like, on another planet, because he is! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's on the real planet, as opposed to the prison planet weirdo nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, I think I find it interesting to me, personally, just because I don't have that, like... | ||
| I am not comforted by someone stroking my ego. | ||
| It's not a comforting thought for me. | ||
| So for Alex to come away from this and have people be like, See, look at all this stuff. | ||
| This is all why you're okay. | ||
| This is all why you're good. | ||
| This is all why you're good. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| To me, that would immediately trigger the like, Oh, I fucked up. | ||
| That was shit. | ||
| That was absolute. | ||
| That's why people are being nice to me. | ||
| And it doesn't trigger for Alex. | ||
| Alex is like, thank God all these people are so nice all the time. | ||
| But that is also not the way the audience is interpreting it either. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I mean, I'm fascinated by it because I just do not understand it at all. | ||
| Like, I don't get it. | ||
| I mean, it's almost like they have just a completely different information space where A is B and B is L. Sure, I just mean more like the emotional space of like... | ||
| If people, if I am feeling like I had a bad interview with this guy and he didn't give me what I want, people call in and say, this guy's dumb, you know? | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| I don't think Alex thinks that was a bad interview. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, probably not. | ||
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Oh. | |
| So, there's another caller who wants to just talk shit about O 'Boyle, because that's pretty much the theme of calls. | ||
| Yeah, well, I imagine so. | ||
| And Todd is calling us from California. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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That seemed like a boxing match. | |
| You got him on the ropes at some point, and you kept hitting him with body blows about sources, and all he could do was say plausible deniability. | ||
| The thing is, the judges are not on the side of truth, so he gets to actually pretend that he serves the people. | ||
| My main concern is, when he finished up your interview, he gave that little spy remark of, I'll look into that kind of thing, but I don't think he's going to read. | ||
| When he finishes up... | ||
| He said, I'll look into that right away. | ||
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No, no. | |
| But what he's going to do, he's going to call everyone who put him in that line of fire and say, I'm going to chastise you, you, and you for even making me that exposed because I need to perpetuate my myth. | ||
| Well, maybe he is. | ||
| I mean, he's probably some sports fan who goes right to the sports bar immediately after work or, you know, goes to the local arena or maybe he goes and plays rocket ball. | ||
| I mean, he didn't even know he was in the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Until a day later. | ||
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Yeah, but all he had was plausible deniability. | |
| This guy was in the front page of the... | ||
| Maybe he didn't know anything. | ||
| This guy was in the front page of the Wall Street Journal yesterday, and no one let him know he was in it until we called him. | ||
| And then I said, did you interview the Wall Street Journal? | ||
| He goes, uh, uh, uh, yeah, I did. | ||
| That's not quite... | ||
| They're kind of mischaracterizing things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, I think that that is the reality. | ||
| That sometimes you don't hear about things. | ||
| That's happened to us before. | ||
| In terms of us being covered in some, like a Newsweek article or something like that. | ||
| I didn't know about this until people brought it to my attention. | ||
| There is, the amount of things that I encounter on like a daily basis where I go, there's no way. | ||
| And then it's like, yeah, millions of people listen to that every single day. | ||
| On a daily basis. | ||
| The amount of people there are and the amount of fractures there are means that there's a million things that I have no concept of. | ||
| Yeah, and this guy was in an article. | ||
| In the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| He was interviewed in it. | ||
| He's going about his life. | ||
| He's busy. | ||
| I'm not surprised he didn't hear about it. | ||
| I guess I am a little surprised maybe that the person who wrote it didn't say, hey, it's coming out tomorrow or whatever. | ||
| But that's not necessary. | ||
| It seems like a strange thing to attack somebody for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think in the world that we exist in, these types of media outlets, when they do a thing, it is very important. | ||
| In the real world, no one gives a fuck what the Wall Street Journal interviewed a district attorney about in Wisconsin. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Period. | ||
| For the rest of life. | ||
| It's not page one leading the show. | ||
| It is there because you have to fill out a certain number of pages. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now we get to the other interview of the show that I didn't realize was going to happen. | ||
| Alex takes a bunch of boring calls and I figured, oh, that's the rest of the show. | ||
| He gets to this other interview because he wants to have somebody who's on the other side of the issue. | ||
| Wait, somebody who's anti or... | ||
| Wait, somebody who's pro? | ||
| No, because the DA was supposed to be pro taking blood. | ||
| DA was supposed to be pro taking blood. | ||
| Okay, so now we've got somebody who's anti taking blood. | ||
| Well, he's anti... | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| It's a doctor. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Another person who's a normal person. | ||
| A reasonable person. | ||
| Who's accidentally stumbled into Alex's orbit. | ||
| Oh, you fucked up, kid. | ||
| But he also doesn't really fall into Alex's model of what he has set him up to be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He isn't somebody who's like, you shouldn't be drawing blood at all. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just not without consent. | ||
| You should not force people. | ||
| This doctor has the argument that Alex should be making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it isn't the argument that Alex has been making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, anyway, it's a little bit weird. | ||
| And this is a quote from the doctor who's with us now. | ||
| For me to draw blood from a patient who is refusing to have his blood drawn, unless I have compelling medical reasons for that blood sample, I'm committing assault and battery, and I'm not going to do it, says Dr. Phil Brewer, president of the Connecticut College of Emergency Physicians and a fellow with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. | ||
| And he joins us now. | ||
| Again, this sets the precedent, forced inoculations, all of it, sticking needles in people and taking their person. | ||
| Dr. Brewer, thank you for holding during my diatribe. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| Hi, how are you? | ||
| I'm doing all right, but I seem to be informed on this. | ||
| The district attorney wasn't. | ||
| I have articles where the cops take the blood on the side of the road, but why are you against this? | ||
| Well, what I'm against is... | ||
| What I'm for, it's probably easier to explain what I'm for. | ||
| I'm certainly for pursuing drunk drivers or people who are impaired drivers, but there's a method for doing that, and when it comes to drawing their blood, the laws in the states that I'm aware of only do that under informed consent, meaning the person has asked For permission to draw their blood. | ||
| And if they agree, then I'm perfectly willing to draw it. | ||
| And if they disagree, then I'm perfectly unwilling to draw it. | ||
| Well, Wisconsin did 22,000 of these in 99 alone. | ||
| And I've talked to people where they demand the blood. | ||
| And the point is they have the flashlights that are really breathalyzers. | ||
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I mean, they could even hold them down and get their breath. | |
| Well, from what I understand, I don't think just showing the presence of alcohol, which is what the flashlights can do, is not enough evidence to convict somebody of a DUI. | ||
| You have to establish what their level is. | ||
| So he's explaining why you would take the blood. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that kind of is against Alex's premise. | ||
| Also, I would say that if you're holding somebody down and taking their breath... | ||
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It kind of is the same problem. | |
| I mean, I would say there's a little bit difference in terms of finding a vein. | ||
| Yeah, in terms of potential damage you could do to somebody, yes, there is a difference. | ||
| But if we're talking about abstractly the tyranny of it all... | ||
| It seems pretty similar to me. | ||
| I would say the moment you put a knee on the back of my skull, I'm less interested in what's going on after that point. | ||
| If it's taking breath or blood? | ||
| Yeah, at that point, I've got a larger problem, and that's getting your knee off my head, you know? | ||
| So... | ||
| That should be job number one. | ||
| The thought strikes me. | ||
| You know, I was just thinking about this. | ||
| Why it's like, I am fucked up about this. | ||
| I don't think the government should take blood. | ||
| And then the more I think about it, the more I'm like, it's so superstitious, that idea of that. | ||
| And then the more I think about it, the more I think, absolutely the opposite of that. | ||
| Blood is... | ||
| One of the most insanely information-rich things that you could possibly give somebody. | ||
| It is so ridiculous. | ||
| But it's still superstitious for you to think they're going to clone you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I'm not actually concerned about them cloning me. | ||
| But it is fascinating to me that it is more reasonable to be worried about somebody taking your blood now than it is in the past. | ||
| And yet we're more reasonable for somebody taking our blood now than it would be in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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If that makes sense as far as superstitions. | |
| I think that there are issues that come into it about, like, retaining the blood or, you know, what they're doing with it. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, that I would have concerns about. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But if it is just for the sake of running a breathalyzer... | ||
| Type alcohol test. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Not breathalyzer in this case, but you know what I mean. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If it is just that, then I don't know what the superstitions or the fear of the information is there. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, I think it's just an element of like, listen, you fucked up too many times. | ||
| You didn't do anything about it. | ||
| You fucked up too many times. | ||
| You didn't apologize. | ||
| The police as an institution do not... | ||
| Have the level of trust that you would require. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| And again, that is a different conversation. | ||
| It is a completely different conversation. | ||
| So this doctor, Alex had the first guest on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he asked him about this Bill Clinton that wants all your blood. | ||
| He does. | ||
| And this comes up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because this doctor is actually in favor of that. | ||
| Doctor, this isn't America having them grab people, hold them down, and take their blood. | ||
| Yeah, I certainly don't agree with that. | ||
| I do agree with the principle that when you get a driver's license, if you refuse to give blood, then you may forego your driving privileges for a set period of time. | ||
| And that's a Supreme Court argument, is it a privilege or not? | ||
| If it's the general agreed-upon conveyance, it's not, but they have it listed in the automobile as the unusual conveyance, but that's a whole other debate, and obviously you're involved with the Traffic Safety Administration. | ||
| So, what's going on here is that Alex, something that he was attacking the other guest for, he's... | ||
| Hand-waving away with this guest because he knows about it. | ||
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I was about to say. | |
| He understands the thing. | ||
| I was about to say. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is very suspicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what Alex is also revealing is some like sovereign citizen type beliefs about the mode of conveyance. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| I have the right to travel. | ||
| The moment it was like the usual version. | ||
| And that's why Alex doesn't want to get into this conversation any more deeply because this guy knows what he's talking about and Alex would have to come off like a sovereign citizen weirdo. | ||
| Don't want to do that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So the doctor explains his opposition to forcibly drawing blood here, which makes sense. | ||
| Let's get into the blood. | ||
| Why are you against this? | ||
| Because there's power in the blood. | ||
| I think when people are brought to emergency departments or to hospitals for medical care, that's the health care team, the physician, nurses, and so forth. | ||
| That's their first responsibility is to take care of that patient. | ||
| They have other responsibilities to protect the general health and safety, and if they can do both in ways that don't interfere with each other, that's fine. | ||
| But I think if you have a person who does not want to give blood and you're literally wrestling them down to take blood from them against their will, that's clearly way beyond the bounds of medical care. | ||
| That's why I'm against it. | ||
| I don't think we should be wrestling people to the ground and taking blood from them. | ||
| I myself have never seen that happen. | ||
| In fact, I think the police, at least in my state, the police rarely do that. | ||
| I've been in Connecticut for 18 years, and I can only recall one time in 18 years when a state police officer came to the hospital requesting us to draw somebody's blood. | ||
| So at least in this part of the... | ||
| This neck of the woods is not done very often. | ||
| Okay, so it sounds like this is not quite the issue that Alex is making it out to be. | ||
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Yeah, I immediately do not care. | |
| But the point that the guy is making is fine. | ||
| It's valid. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| And especially the distinction, too, is a little bit interesting between what he's talking about is healthcare workers and their obligations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that doesn't even deal with the side part of it that is... | ||
| Police stations and police departments that have their own phlebotomy training. | ||
| So it's not even a doctor who is drawing the blood. | ||
| It could just be a police officer. | ||
| Which you should absolutely be not comfortable with. | ||
| It seems like that's the case. | ||
| And the concerns that he has about your responsibilities as a physician, that seems like it might not apply necessarily to the police phlebotomists. | ||
| But we don't get into any of that because... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it does feel like, hey, so the reason that it goes like this is their first obligation is to the patient, and also we have legal protections in terms of their medical information that can be or cannot be shared with everybody. | ||
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HIPAA. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We have all that stuff in place. | ||
| So, I'm fine. | ||
| So, the doctor brings up a point about his state. | ||
| Yeah, Connecticut. | ||
| Which is that you need a court order if they say that you can't draw blood. | ||
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Tough. | |
| If you don't get consent, you need a court order, which is the case in a lot of states at this point and now pretty universally. | ||
| Do they... | ||
| I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand, in those circumstances, if somebody refuses, certainly in Connecticut, you can only do it with a court order. | ||
| Not in these other states that you stole color of law. | ||
| They beat the living tar out of you, stomp on your head. | ||
| I mean, around here in Texas when they arrest you, you can get out peacefully, but they go ahead and slam you around a bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is interesting the way Alex constantly brings up the term color of law. | ||
| I don't know if he knows what that means, but I think he thinks it sounds good. | ||
| And it's a good way around a lot of conversations. | ||
| There's color of law. | ||
| Yeah, I think he means the color of law is red. | ||
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And beady, beaten, beaten, beady, very beady. | |
| So, um, Alex doesn't seem to really think that drunk driving's a big deal. | ||
| That seems to be a lot of what is underneath his arguments. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is definitely the, like, I will not give up my liberty and be poked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The second part is he does not seem to think that there's a reason to be concerned about drunk driving. | ||
| I don't see how he... | ||
| I feel like these are two things that are not in opposition. | ||
| I don't think you should drunk drive, and I also don't think the cops should have my blood. | ||
| These are not in opposition. | ||
| They can coexist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the doctor here tries to explain to Alex that drunk driving is an issue. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| I can honestly say that with maybe four or five exceptions, over 20 years of... | ||
| Practicing full-time as an emergency physician, I have never had a shift without at least one person who was a victim of a drunk driving accident. | ||
| That's how widespread it is and how big a problem it is. | ||
| The issue of people dying from drunk drivers makes 911 look pretty minor by comparison. | ||
| Yeah, but those that will give up liberty to attain security will get and deserve neither. | ||
| I mean, you know, setting up checkpoints and setting up people's blood, I mean, I'm more afraid of that than I am drunk drivers. | ||
| I mean, I drive all the time. | ||
| Every once in a while you see a drunk, the police pull them over. | ||
| I mean, I know thousands and thousands and thousands of people die every year from drunks, but thousands and thousands die from distracted drivers. | ||
| I mean, now they want to mount... | ||
| Cameras in the cars to make sure you're not distracted. | ||
| Have you seen those articles? | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| Big Brother Will Keep Me Safe? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there were 17,000 deaths last year, and that doesn't count people who were permanently maimed and disfigured and disabled. | ||
| So it's a huge problem. | ||
| It's like if you took a 737 and crashed it full of passengers every day. | ||
| That's basically what we're faced with. | ||
| No, I know, but here's the deal. | ||
| It's never going to stop. | ||
| There's more bars everywhere. | ||
| The society's designed to do it. | ||
| Humans have been guzzling alcohol. | ||
| Society's designed to drink and drive. | ||
| We're going to end up with the entire population in prison, and it's just going to continue. | ||
| Yeah, so why do anything about it? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| So if I understand correctly, my big concern with this whole anti-drunk driving thing is that we're all going to be in prison. | ||
| Which would solve the problem! | ||
| Humanity is designed to hype. | ||
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We're designed to hype and drive drunk. | |
| I'm interested in this point because it really is difficult for me to distinguish where the motivation really lies. | ||
| Like, there is obviously an incoherent opposition to people having their blood drawn by theirs. | ||
| Which we can generously say is without their consent. | ||
| And then we can tentatively agree. | ||
| But you have that going on over here. | ||
| And then behind it is a... | ||
| Why should anybody do anything to stop drunk driving? | ||
| It's very childish. | ||
| I can't assume that a perfectly designed, perfectly consensual system that involves trying to stop drunk driving would be something Alex would be in favor of. | ||
| Because it seems like he's just like, no, don't do anything to stop drunk driving. | ||
| I feel like it's similar to those people who I remember growing up. | ||
| And not even growing up, like 10 years ago or whatever it is, whenever you're going back to a small town or something and you see the playgrounds and you're like, oh, back in my day everything was sharp and concrete and everything was stainless steel and shit. | ||
| And the people who were like, yeah, those were better days. | ||
| It's like, you're insane. | ||
| You're an insane person. | ||
| That is crazy, stupid, dangerous. | ||
| You have forgot of all of the people that we all knew who got seriously injured. | ||
| Who got seriously injured. | ||
| And it's not more fun. | ||
| No. | ||
| Can you see those playgrounds now? | ||
| They're shiny. | ||
| There's all kinds of colors and shit. | ||
| There's like soft things that you can land on. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| They're awesome. | ||
| Much better. | ||
| What insane person is like, oh, those jungle gyms were better when they were made of knives. | ||
| Back in my day. | ||
| Cops would stop you when you're drunk and they'd say, get home safe, kid. | ||
| Get on out of here, kid! | ||
| Make sure you bring some cigarettes home to your dad. | ||
| Back in my day, I would drive drunk in a trailer tractor down the street. | ||
| I mean, look, I don't want to come off as a hypocrite because when I was younger, I did drive drunk. | ||
| And I was an idiot. | ||
| I thought it was safe because I had those. | ||
| Delusions that people have when they're drunk. | ||
| It's like, this is totally fine. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| And I still will look back wistfully, sort of, to driving drunk in a golf cart around a golf course. | ||
| That feels a little different. | ||
| Still the same principle. | ||
| You're operating a motor vehicle while you're impaired. | ||
| And so I don't want to take some sort of holier-than-thou aspect. | ||
| Alex's position is pretty stupid. | ||
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| Oh, it's incredibly stupid. | ||
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I don't have a leg to stand on. | |
| This guy. | ||
| This fucking guy. | ||
| I find the argument, like, people are going to do it, so what is it? | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like... | ||
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You can't control everybody's behavior, so I make anything better. | |
| Well, I'm reluctant to say it's beneath Alex, but somehow it does feel like it is. | ||
| It seems so dumb and without thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's because it is quitting. | ||
| It's defeat. | ||
| It's not losing. | ||
| It's not admitting defeat. | ||
| It's quitting. | ||
| It's Alex being like, and then walking away. | ||
| It's a condescending quitting that is... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's tacky. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
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| Yeah, I'd throw something. | ||
| So the argument here then becomes about breathalyzers in cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we've heard at this point in Alex's career that he's insisting that they're going to put breathalyzers in everybody's cars in order to robotically control everybody's cars. | ||
| And so this comes up with the doctor. | ||
| But, you know, there's a move in New York. | ||
| The move, it's almost passed. | ||
| It's out of the house. | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to put up with that. | ||
| What's your comment on that? | ||
| Well, I don't think having breathalyzers in all cars is needed or warranted. | ||
| The great majority of drivers do not drive under the influence of alcohol. | ||
| There are plenty of drivers who drive under the influence of other drugs that aren't detected by breathalyzers, so that would be a huge expenditure. | ||
| By the way, this district attorney said that if you're on Ritalin or Prozac and they test your blood and find it, they'll go ahead and arrest you, even if it's prescribed. | ||
| Well, if it can be shown that you're impaired by it, that's a pretty difficult thing to do. | ||
| That's not what the guy said. | ||
| That's not quite what he said. | ||
| Alex is a little trying to be like, hey, let's make friends by insulting this other guy I talked to. | ||
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| Why is he being so nice to this guy? | ||
| I have no clue what is going on. | ||
| It is very strange. | ||
| And we have one last clip here, because this breathalyzer thing in the car goes on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in the process of talking about it, this doctor legitimately destroys Alex's argument. | ||
| About, like, the breathalyzers. | ||
| About not having it in there. | ||
| Yeah, Alex is saying that they're going to be in every car. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Globalist takeover, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| This guy's like, no, absolutely not, and here's why not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why isn't Alex fighting him? | ||
| He's a doctor! | ||
| It's so ridiculous! | ||
| Why isn't this turning into a fight? | ||
| So, the thing that seems to have the least negative impact on the family, and the best positive impact on... | ||
| On reducing drunk driving is an interlock device or breathalyzer that's hooked up to your ignition. | ||
| But again, that's not for everybody. | ||
| That's for repeat offenders. | ||
| Yeah, but you notice how this works. | ||
| Now they're wanting to make it for everybody. | ||
| Well, I haven't... | ||
| I don't know of any places where there's actually a law that's advancing and where that's likely to happen. | ||
| Very close to passing in New Mexico and New York. | ||
| Got them. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I'm right next door to New York, and I've not seen that. | ||
| I would be extremely astonished. | ||
| That would be such an unpopular law. | ||
| I mean, that would basically be a $600 or $700 tax on every single car. | ||
| I can't imagine that actually being enacted. | ||
| Pass the House in New Mexico. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes people pass laws knowing that they're not going to be signed into law for political reasons. | ||
| Oh, for publicity. | ||
| I doubt very much that Bill Richards, who I think is the governor of New Mexico, would stay governor very long if he signed that law. | ||
| No, they've got a new one. | ||
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| Well, whoever the governor is... | ||
| What a loss. | ||
| What a loser. | ||
| He or she is going to sign that law because that'll be the end of their term. | ||
| No, I think it is Richardson. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's Bill Richardson. | ||
| Former Clinton Energy Secretary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Should have been a fight, right? | ||
| I mean, he's just completely deconstructed why Alex's conspiracy is dumb. | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| People wouldn't do. | ||
| Alex is like, I think it's not Bill Richardson anymore. | ||
| I know, that was the saddest. | ||
| They got a new one. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Here's what's happening. | ||
| There's this issue that Alex has a take on that's fucking dumb. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| He has got the two people, or two of the people who are referenced in this article, to come on the show. | ||
| And he has slotted them in as one is an adversarial interview, and the other is a friendly interview. | ||
| And he can't... | ||
| He can't get off track with them. | ||
| No, they're both completely sane people who have pretty similar positions, it seems. | ||
| And Alex is trying to attack the shit out of one of them and brand him as a vampire district attorney. | ||
| And the other doctor is apparently fine. | ||
| Being cool with giving blood when you get your license. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And with the fact that they aren't going to put breathalyzers in everybody's car. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It lets it go. | ||
| Listen, the first time you see the Don tilt a windmill, you go, hey, that guy's nuts. | ||
| Then you see him fuck a windmill and you're like, I don't even know what's going on with this interview about a doctor here. | ||
| I think it makes more sense than Quixote. | ||
| I just love the single most reasonable consequence thing that I've ever heard on InfoWars, which is just him being like... | ||
| You know, if they add that system, it's going to be about a $600 tax on every car. | ||
| Just the most reasonable ass, boring. | ||
| Because in another party, that number is, he bases it on what it would cost to put it in the car and then upkeep that everyone would have to pay for. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just such a simple... | ||
| And the totally reasonable thing. | ||
| Yeah, the governor would never sign that. | ||
| They would be out of office so fast. | ||
| No, you're too angry for this. | ||
| And I think it's also damning for Alex to so casually and easily admit sometimes people pass legislation that they know isn't going to... | ||
| Just to be like, yeah, publicity. | ||
| They totally do that. | ||
| You're the one who's supposed to think everything's a goddamn conspiracy. | ||
| If you know that, then why are you so mad about all these nonsense bills that are going to die in committee? | ||
| Or, at the very least, if you do know that... | ||
| You can be so mad at all of these, but sometimes, sometimes at least you have to be like, ah, we caught him on this one. | ||
| This is just a publicity set. | ||
| This is some bullshit. | ||
| Instead of every time it's like, aha, this is the end of the world. | ||
| This is connected to everything. | ||
| At the very least, you've got to give me a little taste of what it's like when people are full of shit. | ||
| Now, what's interesting to me when you take a step back and you look at this day on Alex's show, is that there was a potential for this to be incredibly informative. | ||
| The guy from Wisconsin is not in favor of roadside blood shit. | ||
| The doctor is not in favor of anything forcible. | ||
| It seems, even from what he's saying, that he's not even in favor of it when there's a court order. | ||
| So, like, there is a possibility that you could actually explore this issue and make informed, make the public more informed about an issue that can change. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is needing, like... | ||
| Actual consent. | ||
| Needing informed consent for the giving of blood. | ||
| And instead, Alex just goes this conspiracy route that is just incoherent. | ||
| Like, it's all... | ||
| Like, I just don't want blood. | ||
| I don't want pokes. | ||
| No, I think there's something within this that is like... | ||
| You can extrapolate out towards the fucking way shit works. | ||
| Of just like, these are two people... | ||
| Interacting with Alex, right? | ||
| Now these two people, if they were to sit down and have a reasonable conversation, they would not disagree on a lot. | ||
| They would disagree on some things, you know? | ||
| But there would be a reasonable conversation at the end of it. | ||
| There would be like, the biggest thing we agree on is that this is a process that can be out of control and needs to be under control, right? | ||
| Which is essentially what Alex would get to. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Either get rid of it altogether, which is just controlling it in some fashion. | ||
| Whatever degree of control you'd like there. | ||
| But that's not what Alex would get to. | ||
| But in the intervening time period, Alex is giving these two people such distorted views of the world that if they were to then go to isolated groups who shared those views, they would suddenly start to think that this shit made sense. | ||
| This is such a weird way of how the world works with these types of... | ||
| Disagreements. | ||
| Suddenly this gets turned into an emotional fucking, they'll never put a breathalyzer in my car! | ||
| Instead of being like, no, I'm a district attorney. | ||
| And also there's silly reasons why this would never happen. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| All of this stuff is there. | ||
| You don't need to yell because just the logistics of this will stop it in its tracks. | ||
| We'll be alright. | ||
| I swear to you, you could stop talking and we'll never hear about this again. | ||
| You know, like that kind of thing. | ||
| And then to see... | ||
| The way that if Alex is not allowed to infect it, everybody just goes along their own business. | ||
| But when Alex is allowed to infect a topic like this... | ||
| But if Alex doesn't infect it, there's a chance for actual change. | ||
| That's what I'm saying! | ||
| As there has been around the issue of implied consent. | ||
| Right! | ||
| And so many of these things are the things that we don't see. | ||
| Because they're not the big, huge argument that everybody's fighting about all the time, you know? | ||
| They're not suddenly overturned or hijacked by Alex's ilk of like, oh, well, we should wear seatbelts, turns into like, the government's gonna shit in your mouth! | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, it is... | ||
| It is just like, God, I love it whenever these people are just so normal. | ||
| They're just so normal. | ||
| They're just reasonable-ass folk. | ||
| That's one of the things that is very nice about this past period, is you do have the opportunity to see civilian, normal folk end up in the Infowar. | ||
| And it's surprising how decently a lot of them end up navigating what is insane. | ||
| They're decent folk! | ||
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This dude, this O 'Boyle, the DA, like... | |
| Alex is asking him to solve a problem that doesn't exist in his state, and then in order to talk about it at all, we now have to deal with various complaints about Texas, the fears of cameras in school bathrooms. | ||
| It just expands past the point where there's anything you can really cling on to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's intentional. | ||
| I think it's disempowering to the audience. | ||
| Yeah, I think what I find so interesting about it, too, is that it is this type of situation, you know, where you can look at people and them being like, ah, democracy doesn't work, whenever in reality it's like, look, the two people Alex is talking to are 99% of this fucking world. | ||
| They're just people doing their jobs. | ||
| I think your estimate's off, but generally, spiritually, I agree with you. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That kind of concept. | ||
| And it's like, that is why things would work. | ||
| That is why everything should work. | ||
| Alex is why democracy doesn't work. | ||
| Alex is why shit doesn't work. | ||
| Alex is the reason that you are complaining about other people not working properly. | ||
| Yep, it's that influence is kind of what makes information not work. | ||
| It makes decision-making fucked. | ||
| And because stuff like conspiracy thinking is so attractive and hijacks people's minds and the way that they process information and world events, because of that, it has such a cascading effect. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And then the biggest thing, though, is that once you get to the point where you go like, oh, people act different from me. | ||
| When it's like, no, you should think completely the opposite. | ||
| People act exactly like me. | ||
| Alex is fucking insane. | ||
| You know, like, everybody you know, everybody around you, everybody you don't know, they're in our block right now. | ||
| There's probably 40,000, 50,000 people. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| 49,999 of those people are just like us in every possible respect, regardless of whatever. | ||
| And then there's one Alex, and that's where we're fucked! | ||
| Man. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Everybody's got an Alex. | ||
| Everybody's got a fucking Alex, man. | ||
| I think that's somewhat oversimplifying things, but there's something to it. | ||
| It's grossly oversimplifying things, but it's not wrong. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| We could all get along better if Alex's were ignored. | ||
| If we just let him go play in a... | ||
| Brand new playground. | ||
| Oh, they want an old one. | ||
| They definitely want an old playground. | ||
| I want them to be safe even against their will. | ||
| Oh, that's very kind of you. | ||
| So, this was silly, but we'll be back for another episode on Monday. | ||
| We'll talk about Alex's probably fanfare about Kissinger's death. | ||
| I mean, if there's anything that I've learned, it's that we are going to be disappointed by it. | ||
| There will be a surprise somehow, I'm sure. | ||
| But also, we'll get to find out what he thought about Elon Musk telling advertisers to go fuck themselves. | ||
| That will be more interesting. | ||
| That will be more interesting. | ||
| Maybe that's the only thing I'll talk about. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| This is who we are. | ||
| This is who we chose. | ||
| Anyway, we'll find out what's the deal with that. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I was going to start a new thing where I said that I missed various drops and then I would replay them, but then I forgot to load one up, so there's nothing here today, folks. | ||
| You missed that drop. | ||
| Yeah, I missed it. | ||
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Woo, yeah! | |
| Woo, yeah! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |