#863: Keepin' It Fake, With Vivek
In this installment, Dan and Jordan chat about some of the high/low-lights from Alex's recent interview with Vivek Ramaswamy, who is techincally running for president.
Oct. 27, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
01:49:07
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and George. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Riddler. | |
| Need. | ||
| Need money. | ||
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Riddler. | |
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Not knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is through a combination of promotions. | ||
| And airline miles from our trip, I was able to essentially procure a VR headset for free. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| A VR headset for your PlayStation? | ||
| No, just one of the ones that you can have connected to your phone and your PC and stuff. | ||
| Don't ask me. | ||
| What does it do? | ||
| We went to the VR bar. | ||
| It's one of those. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But what do you play with it? | ||
| Tennis. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the tennis simulator is fucking amazing. | ||
| So, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Is it tennis on your computer? | ||
| No, you put it... | ||
| Is it a computer game on your... | ||
| It's on the headset itself. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The headset... | ||
| But it connects to your computer. | ||
| I mean, it can connect to your computer, yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's what's important. | ||
| I think of it as an accessory. | ||
| You know, like the light gun from Duck Hunt. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I get what you're saying. | ||
| So I don't understand it not being paired with something that is actually playing the game. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's all inside of them. | ||
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Damn. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They've made computer chips pretty small these days. | ||
| Son of a bitch. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| The tennis thing. | ||
| Like, I was practicing. | ||
| I'm legitimately sore and tired from how realistic and fucking crazy. | ||
| So this is a nice way that they could have actually made Wii Fit and Wii Sports worked a little bit better. | ||
| If it had worked 10 years ago, it would have worked. | ||
| Wow. | ||
|
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This is nuts. | |
| So yeah, so it was like, oh, we can exercise during the winter. | ||
| It's raining out. | ||
| And the next thing that happened, it was 80 degrees. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Talk about, like, some nonsense weather here. | ||
| In Chicago. | ||
| We had all this, like, it's been gloomy as hell. | ||
| 45 degrees, and then it's 80. And now it's back to 60s and raining. | ||
| Oh, God, just get it together, Chicago. | ||
| That day that we went from 45 to 80, we both woke up, and it was like our sinuses had gone from your head to your feet. | ||
| Like, it was like, blah! | ||
| I have, like, a little update thing, weather thing, on my laptop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know exactly what it said, but I think it said something like, look out. | ||
| High temperatures. | ||
| We're going to be seeing that weather alert quite a bit now in the future. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Look out. | ||
| It was jarring. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So, Ab, what's your bright spot? | ||
| I'm having a difficult time coming up with a bright spot. | ||
| So... | ||
| I'm gonna say. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| You just received some freeze-dried Skittles. | ||
| Are you trying to force me into a bright spot? | ||
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Zip. | |
| We got something in the mailbag. | ||
| Very nice gift of candies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Freeze-dried stuff. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This was sent to us from The Stones. | ||
| I'm assuming a family name. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| It's a Skittle, but it's been exploded in a freeze dryer, so it's not chewy or anything. | ||
| It's like if popcorn had an orange flavor to it. | ||
| Yeah, well, the orange ones, anyway. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| This is not my bright spot, but thank you very much to the Stones. | ||
| I was just trying to help you out. | ||
| No, I appreciate that, but hey, man, chill out. | ||
| I was killing time, basically, giving you more time to think about. | ||
| I mentioned that I watched some Big Brother because I wanted to see what... | ||
| I don't know what happens on that show. | ||
| And I don't know what happens on that show. | ||
| And now I do know what happens on that show. | ||
| And I complained about it and I said it's a bad show. | ||
| And I stand by that. | ||
| But a listener emailed or sent a message that was like, you gotta keep giving it a shot. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| And so I did watch some more, and my opinion has not changed. | ||
| I think it's a terrible show. | ||
| I think that they use way too many goofy sound effects, like it's fucking America's Funniest Home Videos or something. | ||
| It's worse than that. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They're obsessed with slime in a way that is reminiscent of 90s Nickelodeon. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's slime all over the fucking place. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of a selling point, but now that I think about it, maybe I'm too old for that. | ||
| They seem to think that there's some kind of charm in getting people dirty. | ||
| Do they, have they used that kind of like Flintstones, you know, where they jump into the air and they're trying to, that sound effect? | ||
| I don't know if anyone jumped in the air and did that, but yes. | ||
| They've used that sound effect. | ||
| And you know what else they use all the time? | ||
| The sound of a bowling pin getting knocked over. | ||
| Yeah, that one? | ||
| Yeah, whenever something gets knocked over, it's very, very bad. | ||
| It's as bad in terms of editing as like the challenge is good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how I would describe it. | ||
| Shockingly good editing on the challenge. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It is a bad show. | ||
| But I've watched parts of two seasons at this point. | ||
| And the second season that I had watched is so much better. | ||
| And the reason is casting. | ||
| It is a show that lives and dies by how they cast the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if you do not have interesting, dynamic people in there, it is so glaring all the fart noises and goofy banana peel-ass shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But if you have people that are interesting, it's like, yeah, you can put up with this a little bit. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| But, I mean, if you were making fucking Breaking Bad and you had terrible characters, you know, you've got the plot to rely on. | ||
| You know, if you're making a reality show... | ||
| You got nothing. | ||
| Like, oh, we got a barrel roll to this next, everybody jumps on one foot for an hour. | ||
| They love a barrel roll. | ||
| They do love a barrel roll. | ||
| Buy and sell the show on a barrel roll. | ||
| That'll be worth it. | ||
| The problem that I have is when there aren't dynamic, interesting people to be like, oh, this person's interesting. | ||
| Then what you have is a show that's edited poorly, and the sense of humor of it is that they have a sense of humor. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that is not funny. | ||
| The show thinks it's fucking funny, and it's not. | ||
| That's the worst. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| It's painful to watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yet, I'm probably going to watch a little bit more of it. | ||
|
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I mean, I know, obviously. | |
| It's there. | ||
| It is, like JFK said, it's there. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's why it's there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Not totally a bright spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More of a jeers. | ||
| That's a little bit of a jeers. | ||
| Except I guess the bright spot is there are a couple of interesting characters on the second group of people that I've watched on this show. | ||
| Yeah, that's a bright spot. | ||
| There's one guy who appears to be a mobster, and I think that's fun. | ||
| On season 19, this guy seems like he is... | ||
| Definitely mobbed up. | ||
| I truly believe that in order to earn the name Big Brother, at least one character per season has to just be disappeared and no one can talk about it. | ||
| Or one person has to secretly be in the CIA. | ||
| Yes, totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, there has to be a plant, there has to be something. | ||
| But now it's the mole. | ||
| Now we're just playing the mole. | ||
| No, no, no, but it has to be real. | ||
| Once again, someone has to be facing serious Big Brother-style consequences here. | ||
| Unbelievably. | ||
| Like, they're framed for murder. | ||
| Somebody needs to be framed. | ||
| Lamed for murder by the CIA guy? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right? | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now we get a... | ||
| Unbelievably bad show. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I resent... | ||
| Whoever told me to watch more. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| Actually, I probably would have anyway. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| I mentioned on our last episode that we were going to get into Nick Fuentes being on InfoWars to have a little debate with Alex. | ||
| And that actually, we're recording this on Thursday. | ||
| That was on Wednesday. | ||
| And I'm not able to, I wasn't able to get this all sort of balanced out and ready to go. | ||
| So we'll talk about that on Monday. | ||
| So for today we have... | ||
| Something else that happened in Infowars world. | ||
| And it's not Owen Schroer going to prison. | ||
| I was totally expecting it to be Owen Schroer going to prison. | ||
| No, and it's not Jack Posobiec pretending that Owen got sent to solitary confinement immediately after being sent to prison. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Yeah, he tweeted about that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| No, it's none of these things. | ||
| Is something else altogether? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Oh my god, we've got Owen Schroer in here! | ||
| He can't be allowed in Gen Pop! | ||
| Get him isolated! | ||
| Send him to the hole. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I was texting with Amanda Moore, and I was telling her that I want Owen to come out of prison with a teardrop tattoo. | ||
| I mean, something. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| Something that is permanent that is like, yes, you were to, yeah, like a scar, a tattoo, something. | ||
| Teardrop tattoo is the best, because that implies that he killed someone. | ||
| Yeah, but you'd know he didn't. | ||
| Of course not, but it'd be funny. | ||
| You'd know he didn't. | ||
| It would be funny. | ||
| The other thing that I want, I'm fantasizing about, is he comes out of prison, and he enters the Infowars studios like the guys in that. | ||
| That Scared Straight show? | ||
| Sure, sure, absolutely. | ||
| He walks in and he's like, Alex, hold on to my shirt. | ||
| Hold on to my shirt, Alex. | ||
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Give me your shoes. | |
| Like in home movies? | ||
| Have you seen those? | ||
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Is that what you want to be? | |
| Have you seen those old scared straight? | ||
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I was not happy! | |
| Those are awesome. | ||
| They are awesome. | ||
| They are terrible. | ||
| They're just terrorizing these children. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| The ones, there's, I remember distinctly at least one or two where the kids refused to be terrorized and it, like, everybody's world came crashing down. | ||
| The people scared straighting were like... | ||
| I don't know if this does mean anything, man. | ||
| I don't know if I've seen that one, but I know I've seen ones where they were resistant, and then the prisoners or ex-prisoners would escalate, and then those kids who were resistant would end up crying. | ||
| And it's horrifying. | ||
| There were a couple where you're like, there is no way they approved. | ||
| This. | ||
| The original one is from the 70s. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And, like, that would never fly. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| If I recall correctly, too, it's been a long time since I've seen the original one, but it's my memory that it didn't really work. | ||
| None of them worked. | ||
| The epilogue is, like, the kids went back to prison or they got in trouble. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Anyway, I want Owen Troyer to do that in the N4 studios after he comes out. | ||
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Although... | |
| You know, there is a little bit of drama about how Enforza isn't paying him while he's in prison, and this might cause some trouble. | ||
| God, if he comes out, walks down the steps, you know what I'm saying, and is like, I don't know how it happened, but while I was in prison, I'm going to be doing sports for KSR19 in Minneapolis, Minnesota! | ||
| That would be the smartest possible thing he could do. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And it would be great if he just turned on Alex and was like... | ||
| Here comes some dirty laundry. | ||
| Here comes it. | ||
| Alex, you should have paid me while I was in prison. | ||
| I mean, you should have paid him while you... | ||
| Why don't you pay... | ||
| You pay the people who know where their bodies are laid. | ||
| I think that's simple. | ||
| Or you bury their body. | ||
| There's two ways to go. | ||
| So, we'll get down to business on whatever this is. | ||
| But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, I just listened to 800-something episodes about Alex Jones, and now my brains are leaking out of my ears. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're on OutPolicyWonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's how they used to embalm people in Egypt. | ||
| They would listen to our show. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Next, Sabrina, who often has dreams she's chastising Alex Jones. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much! | |
| Alright, two examples of people who are listening to our show too much. | ||
| So next, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop and I donated it to the Yale Skull and Bones Poop Vat. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| It's important to keep that thing full. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next, I had a god-awful day, but my bright spot is the back catalogs of a couple sweet boys talking about some less sweet stuff. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Better bright spot than Big Brother. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next, Paul. | ||
| Stop calling our cat a libertarian. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| More petty... | ||
| More notes... | ||
| More shout-outs that could be sticky notes on the... | ||
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Passive-aggressive... | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I dig it. | ||
| And we got a technical out of the mix. | ||
| And I'm sorry, Jordan. | ||
| I accidentally scrolled ahead, so the pronunciation trap isn't going to work in this one. | ||
| Oh, you son of a bitch. | ||
| I didn't mean to. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| But I accidentally did. | ||
| So thank you so much, R.I.P. | ||
| Ailey, slain by demon globalists. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| And just for fun, here's how I would have pronounced it if I hadn't have accidentally read ahead. | ||
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Ilde. | |
| Yep. | ||
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Ilde. | |
| That's not bad. | ||
|
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Ilde. | |
| That's not bad compared to what I was thinking it was. | ||
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Ilde. | |
| The DH is confusing. | ||
| If I had guessed Eileen out of that, you would have given me a million dollars. | ||
| Yeah, no chance. | ||
| So many fun, weird names I'm learning how to pronounce that don't look anything like the letters that are there. | ||
| You know, names are just sounds that we make from our mouths. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| There's no spelling. | ||
| Just phonemes, baby. | ||
| Phonemes! | ||
| Just phonetic spellings. | ||
| So, Jordan, today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have an episode, and what we're going to be talking about is that Alex did a little bit of an interview with presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, so Vivek was in town in Austin, I guess part of his pretend campaign for president. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so he sat down with Alex, and they recorded a little interview. | ||
| Okay, so the guy who was on the debate stage... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is interviewing Alex not the other way around? | ||
| Episode 6 of Vivek's Twitter show. | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| I just saw a real disappointment show up on your face. | ||
| I think he's got a chance to become president. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| He's got the goods. | ||
| If anyone with a Twitter show becomes president, I'm out. | ||
| Yeah, so I will say that I thought that I didn't realize that this took place in Austin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because I don't know where Vivek is at any point in time. | ||
| I don't know what he's doing. | ||
| No one does. | ||
| That's one of his powers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mysterious. | ||
| So I thought, like, Alex took that vacation. | ||
| Oh, it must have been... | ||
| To go wherever Vivek is to go do this interview. | ||
| Not the case. | ||
| This happened in Austin. | ||
| However, during the interview, we learn where his last vacation was. | ||
| He went to Maine to go visit Tucker. | ||
| Apparently he... | ||
| If you believe Alex, he went to Maine to go hang out in a cabin with Tucker or something. | ||
| That's... | ||
| So strange. | ||
| That's just so strange. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, there's a part of me that says it makes sense. | ||
| There's really... | ||
| Who can understand you? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Who can you have a conversation with about your, like, work life? | ||
| Well, and if you want to get a vacation buddy, the best way to do it is to declare them the most important human being on Earth. | ||
| It helps! | ||
| It helps! | ||
| Hey, do you want to go to this destination wedding? | ||
| The most important person on Earth? | ||
| Can you imagine how great... | ||
| Alex would make you feel about yourself if you were, like, he thinks you're the most important person in the world. | ||
| That's got to be an ego boost. | ||
| Yeah, the love bomb is how they do it. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, Alex is getting interviewed by Vivek, and here is a little out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm a populist. | ||
| I mean, just take... | ||
| I hate labels. | ||
| They're not useful. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, that's just a sound. | ||
| That's just a sound. | ||
| He's not responding to the meaning of the words. | ||
| That might as well just... | ||
| I'm a populist. | ||
| I hate labels. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Me too, man. | ||
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Suck. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| We're going to jump in. | ||
| And here is Vivek setting up the idea of this interview and how everyone told him not to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm talking today to somebody who I'm meeting for the first time. | ||
| I met him a few minutes ago. | ||
| For the first time. | ||
| I actually don't know a lot about him. | ||
| The number one thing I know about him is that everybody has told me not to talk to him. | ||
| Which is what made me want to actually sit down and talk to him. | ||
| The United States of America were founded on free speech and open debate. | ||
| It's in the First Amendment for a reason. | ||
| The First Amendment doesn't really involve people not having the right to give you good advice about who to steer clear of. | ||
| It's not a violation of your rights if people say that you're bad news and too messy to deal with. | ||
| Vivek should have listened to the people around him, except I don't think that there actually are people around him telling him that he shouldn't talk to Alex. | ||
| Let me explain what I mean. | ||
| Vivek's presidential campaign is completely dead in the water. | ||
| He has no shot at the GOP primary. | ||
| Trump is a lock for that, and even if by some bizarre miracle Trump isn't able to run, Vivek isn't even positioned in a way that he can capitalize on the outrage that could cause. | ||
| If anything, that will likely drive most people to RFK Jr.'s third-party run, because the next most popular Viable GOP candidate is Ron DeSantis, who I'm told is lacking in riz. | ||
| Even as down in the dumps as DeSantis is, he's still polling about three times higher than Vivek. | ||
| Vivek knows all of this, and I would be surprised if he's even serious about the campaign at all at this point. | ||
| He's part of a long tradition of GOP primary candidates that use the pulpit to launch their own personal brand. | ||
| It's impossible to count the number of candidates who have just used running for president as a way to sell books, and I believe that Vivek is doing the same thing. | ||
| except he wants to be a talk show or radio host. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| He wants to be another Tucker, and it's very clear based on this whole Twitter show that he's doing. | ||
| He's essentially doing a Tucker impression. | ||
| The videos are posted in an identical format as Tucker's, and he's trying to pull controversial guests in to mirror Tucker's whole shtick. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| Vivek's guest list so far is a clear indication that he's trying to court a particular type of audience, specifically the more fringe elements of the right wing who are still close enough to acceptability to not get him put into any particular box that he can't get out of. | ||
| For instance, he's not going to have David Duke, Richard Spencer, or Nick Fuentes in, but he's going to have people who might associate with them on as guests. | ||
| Don't quote me on that. | ||
| Actually, I could see him booking Fuentes in the future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now we're going to play a game. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to give you clues, and you can see if you can. | ||
| Actually, I'm going to go ahead, and you're not going to be able to guess a couple of these. | ||
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Okay, Phil. | |
| Well, I mean, I would be surprised if I could guess any of them. | ||
| So, guess number five. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Episode number five was Royce White, who's the former NBA player. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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I know who Royce White is. | |
| He does the fourth hour on Alex's show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, he's an Infowars personality. | ||
| Four is Zuby, who's a musician and anti-LGBTQ kind of guy. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Zuby. | ||
| Zuby. | ||
| The kids these days. | ||
| He's popular in a certain section of the internet and culture, and that's not necessarily... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I don't know all that much about him, but I've seen the name. | ||
| Some things are just not for me. | ||
| Number three. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Number three. | ||
| Guest number three, Fallon. | ||
| Fallon? | ||
| No, Fallon. | ||
| He kept breaking character. | ||
| Kicked out of his own organization. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Oh, that's got to be either... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's got to be either the Charlie Kirk guy or... | ||
| Wait, no, no, no, not him. | ||
| Or it's the guy who's like the human trafficker. | ||
| I mean, the Sound of Freedom guy. | ||
| No, it's not that guy. | ||
| It's not that guy. | ||
| Although that does fit. | ||
| I don't know, but is he a felon? | ||
| I mean, he's committed felonies. | ||
| But he has not been... | ||
| And broken international law on multiple occasions. | ||
| And now I'm starting to question whether or not the person I'm talking about was actually convicted of the felony. | ||
| I think he was. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know, the Proud Boys guy. | ||
| Ooh, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| More of a media figure. | ||
|
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More of a... | |
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Investigative journalist. | ||
| It's not Greenwald. | ||
|
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No. | |
| No, it's the vice guy. | ||
|
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Goddammit, they've all been fucking fired because they've all committed crimes! | ||
| It's Project Veritas' formerly Project Veritas' James O 'Keefe. | ||
| Man, a lot of people have founded organizations, been convicted of crimes, and then been getting kicked out of those organizations. | ||
| Guess number two. | ||
| Episode number two that he did. | ||
| Now the Sound of Freedom guy. | ||
| Formerly anonymous. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Person who loves to drive bomb threats to- To children's hospitals and schools. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| They drive mom threats? | ||
| Inspire them. | ||
| Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Is that JFK Jr.? | ||
|
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No. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| Deeply, deeply anti-LGBTQ in her focus. | ||
| The ghost of Phyllis Schlafly. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Although, might be some similarities. | ||
| Could there be that? | ||
| The libs of TikTok person, Kaya Rychik. | ||
| I didn't know that that was a human person. | ||
|
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You didn't? | |
| I thought that was like a... | ||
| Oh, you thought it was like an amalgamation of folks? | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I thought it was like the libs of TikTok kind of thing. | ||
| She probably has a team, I would assume, at this point. | ||
| But yeah, she was the second guest that Vivek had on. | ||
| First guest. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| First guest. | ||
| Number one guest. | ||
| Alex Jones! | ||
| No, he's number six. | ||
| No, no, no, that's the one that we're doing now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| First guest. | ||
| When you're coming out the box, you want to be hot and fresh and ready. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Racist pizza maker. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's all the clue you should need. | ||
| What? | ||
| I genuinely don't... | ||
| Who's a racist pizza maker? | ||
| Racist pizza man. | ||
| Racist pizza... | ||
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Is it the QAnon shaman? | |
| No. | ||
| I have no idea who a racist pizza man is. | ||
| Papa John! | ||
| His first guest was Papa John. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I would never have guessed Pizza Man leads to Papa John. | ||
| I was in my head like... | ||
| Oh, you're thinking of like Pizza Gate? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I was trying to figure out that it's got to be something to do with Pizza Gate or it is a pizza delivery person who has just been on Twitter for being... | ||
| Oh, somebody who got canceled? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, in some ways, Papa John was canceled. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Papa John. | ||
| Papa John. | ||
| His first episode, right out the gate, blockbuster booking. | ||
| Hot and fresh. | ||
| In the box. | ||
| Lots of toppings. | ||
| Telling you, you gotta get the guy from Little C. Papa John, Kaya Rychik of Libs of TikTok, James O 'Keefe, Zuby, Royce White, Alex Jones. | ||
| It's quite a list. | ||
| It's an intentional list. | ||
| Yeah, that is a list. | ||
| Papa John, though, first is really funny. | ||
| Papa John! | ||
| All right. | ||
| So here's what I'm getting at, where I don't believe that people told Vivek not to interview Alex. | ||
| This is part of his self-congratulatory speech that everyone who interviews Alex recites in order to inflate their own position. | ||
| This has nothing to do with Alex. | ||
| This is Vivek patting himself on the back for being so into free speech that he's willing to talk to Alex. | ||
| Alex is a prop for these people to flex their free speech credentials. | ||
| He's like the Carolina Reaper of free speech posturing. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| He's like, oh, I took on the free speech challenge of talking to Alex. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| The free speech speech that we hear before, that is as common as the new dad speech. | ||
| The moment I looked into its eyes, I was like, oh, I would die for you. | ||
| If I were Alex, I would probably start to get a little offended by this objectification, but Alex is so desperate for anyone with even a bit of clout to have him around, I don't see him standing up for himself at any point. | ||
| Anyway, I look forward to Alex not asking Vivek at all about his connection to George Soros through his having received the Paul and Daisy Soros Fellowship for New Americans, something that Vivek paid someone to scrub from his Wikipedia page before he announced his presidential run. | ||
| Sounds like censorship and Soros ties. | ||
| Not a good look, Alex. | ||
| That fellowship, incidentally, it helps immigrants and children of immigrants get higher education, which seems like something Alex would be super opposed to existing. | ||
| Anyway, it's not going to come up. | ||
| I'm a big fan of whenever people really try to close the door behind them. | ||
| You know, like, ooh, I got all this shit locked behind me, bitches! | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| So just this happening is a remarkable thing. | ||
| It's a weird turn of events. | ||
| Like, in 2015, it was a ridiculous and unthinkable thing for Alex to have Trump, someone who was running for president on his show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, granted, Ron Paul had been on a bunch before that, but he doesn't really count. | ||
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No. | |
| Trump giving Alex the attention and associating with him was enough to fundamentally transform the trajectory of Alex's career. | ||
| It was a huge deal that this presidential candidate was going on this horrible dude's show, and they were endorsing each other. | ||
| And now in 2023, Alex Gazon with Vivek, who's also running for president, and it doesn't really even matter. | ||
| It doesn't mean a thing. | ||
| Standards have fallen. | ||
| The damage is done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This doesn't rank to the point where I, I mean, obviously you didn't know this happened. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I would say that a large portion of the people who are listening to our show didn't know this happened. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| No. | ||
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He was on with Vivek, and whoever follows him on Twitter probably saw that it happened. | |
| But outside of that, no one gave us a shit. | ||
| There is a part of me that genuinely feels like Alex is, uh, Vivek is beneath him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Vivek is an even shittier con man swindler than Alex is. | ||
| Well, but. | ||
| That's kind of sad. | ||
| That may be the case, but I do think he is beneath him in some sense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Like, with Trump, he was... | |
| Ron Paul is an ideologue of decades for Alex to have on regardless of him running for president at any point. | ||
| Vivek is polling at like 4%? | ||
| Who knows why? | ||
| He is somebody who's trying to create his own brand, and Alex is now participating in that, as opposed to attaching himself to somebody who has any adjacency to power, has any relevance. | ||
| And, I mean, you know, you could say it's beneath him, and I think in some ways that's accurate, but Alex is also only interested in some kind of a media attention-based grind. | ||
| And so, it is a partnership that makes some sense in terms of them both being Craven. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, as far as that goes, you know, like, it's a simple optics thing. | ||
| Nobody who is doing the interviewing is going to become the president. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're the person... | ||
| That's a different power balance and nobody's going to respect it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's just kind of how it works. | ||
| Because Vivek is having him in as opposed to coming on to Infowars. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just a power balance thing and nobody's going to respect it. | ||
| You have welcomed Alex into your house as opposed to going to use him for his audience. | ||
| And that is unfortunate. | ||
| You need to be the person in, like, people need to be like, oh, I want you to have more power instead of being like, yeah, I'll show up at your place. | ||
| Yeah, that's not how it goes. | ||
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Nah. | |
| So anyway, Vivek talks a little bit more about how everyone should be able to speak. | ||
| And so, you know what? | ||
| It's wrong that we've become a culture that wants to censor free speech and open debate. | ||
| And I think that part of the American way of life is we don't just embrace moderate ideals. | ||
| That is an extreme idea. | ||
| The idea that you get to speak your mind as long as I get to in return. | ||
| That's a wild idea. | ||
| For most of human history, it was done the other way. | ||
| And that's what makes America great. | ||
| That's what makes America itself. | ||
| And so if somebody tells me, don't listen to this person, my reaction is, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to listen to him. | ||
| I'm going to keep an open mind and hear what every person has to say. | ||
| I'm a human being. | ||
| Each of us as Americans is a human being. | ||
| We can judge for ourselves what we believe the actual right way forward is for our country. | ||
| So this is actually a broken formulation. | ||
| Vivek is trying to say that when he hears somebody say that you shouldn't listen to somebody, he says, no, I'm going to listen to them and see what they have to say. | ||
| So that must mean that he's gone and listened to Alex's show, right? | ||
| Like, he must have tuned in and heard the incoherent drunk ramblings of a bigot lunatic and then said, oof, those people were right. | ||
| There's no reason to listen to this guy. | ||
| That must have been what happened, because Vivek is a principled free speech stand-upper guy, so he must have wanted to really investigate the speech that people were telling him to avoid. | ||
| This is total bullshit, though. | ||
| When Vivek hears somebody say, you shouldn't listen to Alex, he doesn't think he should check out this maligned speech and make his own decision. | ||
| He sees an opportunity. | ||
| If somebody is controversial enough to have people saying you shouldn't listen to him, then he probably has some juice I can exploit by interviewing him, thereby showing myself to be the biggest boy who defends free speech the most. | ||
| I would love for Vivek to stand up for free speech in a different way. | ||
| Instead of doing a publicity stunt ass interview on Twitter, how about he make a video of himself watching Alex's show and trying to defend the nonsense Alex says? | ||
| This is a point I really want to drive home. | ||
| Not a single aspect of Vivek's decision to make this interview involves free speech. | ||
| It's a craven publicity decision driven by the illusion that it somehow makes you a hero for being brave enough to talk to Alex. | ||
| And it's all theater. | ||
| This is all nonsense. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, hey, listen. | ||
| When you're running for president, you gotta talk up America's ideals and all that shit. | ||
| But nobody likes to kiss ass, right? | ||
| Like, oh, yeah, free speech, listen. | ||
| I think everybody in the United States realistically is like, man, free speech might have gotten a little bit out of control. | ||
| I'm not saying everybody's like, it's gotten a lot out of control, but I think everybody has looked at our political system and the way they talk to each other and been like, something might not be right. | ||
| Is free speech really like the right to be free of people saying, hey, this guy sucks? | ||
| Because I don't think it is. | ||
| It feels like what he wants is the right to disregard speech. | ||
| Regardless of whether or not it's true. | ||
| And the right to, which he actually does totally have, the right to imagine that speech is different than it is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I want the right to create a fantasy version of the speech that people are mad at in order to justify why I'm not opposed to it. | ||
| I mean, his description of it even is like, if you analyze the thought process behind... | ||
| You can say whatever you want so long as I can say whatever I want back to you. | ||
| What he's looking for is the ability to not listen. | ||
| To completely be like, listen, I am not going to listen to a word that you have to say. | ||
| I'm waiting to say what I think matters. | ||
| Your free speech is really about my free speech. | ||
| I'm tolerating you talking so I can tell you what you're doing wrong. | ||
| I mean, that's fine, I kind of think. | ||
| I mean, if that's how you want to view interacting with people, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's a little hollow, but it's not like... | ||
| Against the Constitution. | ||
| It's not even really what the Constitution or the idea of free speech is about. | ||
| Not particularly. | ||
| Once again, it is the government not telling you, not arresting you or jailing you. | ||
| It's not like, hey, people should stop telling Alex to shut up because he's an idiot. | ||
| It's not conversational. | ||
| It's not even a little bit conversational. | ||
| It is purely the government cannot do a thing to you for this reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So anyway, here comes the intro of Alex into the proceedings. | ||
| So with that said, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long time. | ||
| I'm excited about it. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| It's good to see you, man. | ||
| Vivek, thanks for doing this because when they censor you and de-platform you, they can then steal your identity and misrepresent what you've said and done and then build a straw man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why they fight so hard. | ||
| 99% of the things they say about me aren't true. | ||
| They never show a clip. | ||
| They just say, I've done these things I haven't done. | ||
| And it reminds me of them saying that Trump said, After the thing that happened in Virginia, in Charlottesville, that he said Hispanics are horrible criminals, bad people. | ||
| He didn't say that. | ||
| He said they're wonderful, good people, but there are also a lot of bad people coming across the border. | ||
| They wouldn't show the clip. | ||
| They would just say he said that. | ||
| But he had a big enough bully pulpit to override that, and so it doubled the number of Hispanics from when he first got elected towards the end of his first term, who understood that it was a lie, and they then embraced him because of that. | ||
| But that was because he could show them the actual clip and show them that there'd been a lie. | ||
| If Alex is saying that 90% of the stuff that people say about Alex on social media isn't true, then that might be fair. | ||
| People post stupid shit. | ||
| There's a lot of Alex Jones was right memes that are completely inaccurate and people really love to post clips of him with entirely fraudulent context. | ||
| I've seen a lot of old clips being recycled by people lying about the context in order to make it seem like he's saying something different from what he actually was saying and that's a problem that exists with people who are critical of Alex just as much as it does with people who support him. | ||
| But if Alex is really interested in people dealing with what he actually says, he should fucking love us. | ||
| And yet, mysteriously, it's radio silence about his most loyal and most clip-heavy critics. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| Weird! | ||
| Incidentally, here's the clip from Trump's announcement of his candidacy back in 2015 that Alex is talking about that everybody takes out of context. | ||
| Oh, they never play a clip. | ||
| The U.S. has become a dumping ground. | ||
| For everybody else's problems. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| It's true. | ||
| And these are the best and the finest. | ||
| When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. | ||
| They're not sending you. | ||
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They're not sending you. | |
| They're sending people that have lots of problems. | ||
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And they're bringing those problems with us. | |
| They're bringing drugs. | ||
| They're bringing crime. | ||
| They're rapists. | ||
| And some, I assume, are good people. | ||
| But I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we're getting. | ||
| And it only makes common sense. | ||
| It only makes common sense. | ||
| They're sending us not the right people. | ||
| It's coming from more than Mexico. | ||
| It's coming from all over South and Latin America, and it's coming probably, probably from the Middle East. | ||
| But we don't know, because we have no protection and we have no competence. | ||
| We don't know what's happening. | ||
| And it's got to stop. | ||
| And it's got to stop fast. | ||
| Oh man, it sounds like the media reported on that one correctly. | ||
| Maybe Alex's version is a little bit of rewriting history. | ||
| Alex has created a fake version of both what the media said, he's claiming they said something that they didn't, and then also a fake version of what Trump said, because he's a big old liar. | ||
| You might notice here that Alex says that Trump said this after that thing that happened in Virginia, which is a reference to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. | ||
| What's happening here is that Alex is mixing up his everyone lies about what Trump said narratives and getting them all... | ||
| Well, backwards. | ||
| That one's supposed to be about the good people on both sides comment, not the Mexico sending over their criminals one. | ||
| Alex is just, he doesn't know what he's doing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Also, Trump didn't double his support among the Hispanic population. | ||
| This is just made up. | ||
| And Vivek is over there nodding his head along because he gives about as much of a shit about reality as Alex does. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Hispanic vote went 66-28 in favor of Clinton in 2016 and 59-38 in favor of Biden in 2020. | ||
| This is an improvement, but it's not nearly the kind of swing that Alex is talking about. | ||
| It would be over 50% in favor of Trump if there was a doubling, and this did not happen. | ||
| If I was doing this interview... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And here's what I would do after Alex said that. | ||
| I would say, Alex, I said hi, and you defended racism somehow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's just not do this. | ||
| Yeah, hey, everybody lies about how Trump said racist things, and also how they create a fake version of me. | ||
| Really off to the races. | ||
| I said hi. | ||
| I said hi. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| Instead, Alex just says his piece, and Vivek's like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, good call. | ||
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Cool. | |
| I should run the country. | ||
| So look, man, people say that Alex shouldn't be interviewed, but they let other people get interviewed. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I'm not as big as Trump. | ||
| I'm probably like 5% of the pull he's got, and so I have been successfully in many ways. | ||
| Destroyed. | ||
| I mean, they built another Alex Jones that's not me, and that's why they say don't ever interview Alex Jones, because they're going to hear something that probably most people are going to agree with. | ||
| Yeah, so it's interesting. | ||
| I think that, I mean, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the fact that... | ||
| George Soros? | ||
| Somebody came up, I don't know if it was someone from your team or someone who's part of your... | ||
| You know, one of your followers or something suggested it. | ||
| And I said, okay, well, several people are saying, talk to this guy. | ||
| Let's see if that's something we're open to. | ||
| And then the reaction that I get is, no, no, no, no. | ||
| This is a guy you don't want to talk to. | ||
| It's going to be politically toxic for you. | ||
| And my view is, no, no, no. | ||
| We're the United States of America. | ||
| So I have no idea if I'm going to agree with everything you're going to say or not. | ||
| But I'm curious about this. | ||
| Here's your comeback. | ||
| Lester Holt last week did a really important interview, or two weeks ago. | ||
| We're the Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of Iran. | ||
| Now, that guy is praising the attacks on Israel. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| I think he's a bad guy. | ||
| Yeah, Khomeini's not a good guy. | ||
| It doesn't mean I want World War III with him either and Hezbollah, who's got sleeper cells in America on our open border. | ||
| But that said, everybody doesn't attack Lester Holt interviewing the leader of Iran, the religious dictator. | ||
| I think that if Alex were the leader of a foreign country, then regardless of how much you might worry about interviewing him, you kind of have to. | ||
| Since he's not, I'm not sure that this comparison with the Ayatollah is doing him any favors. | ||
| And it doesn't help the argument that you should interview him. | ||
| I want to touch on that thing that Alex says there, though, about how people don't want you to interview him because you'll likely end up hearing something you agree with. | ||
| That's kind of the point. | ||
| Alex is a liar, and at some point in an interview, you might hear him lie about something in a way that you agree with, and that's pretty dangerous. | ||
| He's basically an impossible interview subject, because you cannot possibly keep up with all the claims that he throws out, so inevitably, unless you have a very slow, very methodical, and very confrontational interview with him, you're going to end up accidentally, tacitly signing off on countless untrue things. | ||
| The choice to not interview him has as much to do with protecting your own credibility as it has to do with protecting your audience. | ||
| Consider, in just the first few minutes of this interview that we've heard, Vivek has signed off on Alex's claim that Trump's Hispanic support doubled from 2016 to the end of his presidency, and the mischaracterization of Alex's version of what Trump said. | ||
| And just there, we heard Alex drop in the claim that because of our lack of border security, Hezbollah has sleeper cells in American cities. | ||
| There was no pushback on that, because it was a complete sidetrack to the point being made. | ||
| In order for Vivek to chase that down, he would need to completely shift subjects from the one that he wants to talk about, which is how brave and righteous it is to be interviewing Alex. | ||
| Alex knows that Vivek isn't going to challenge him on points like this because it works against the basic reason that this interview is happening. | ||
| Alex knows that he has all the cards here. | ||
| He can lie with impunity and say whatever he wants, and Vivek essentially has to go along with it or risk undercutting the entire premise of the interview. | ||
| People said not to interview Alex, but I stood up and did it anyway. | ||
| Well, what if you did it only to find out that all those people were right and Alex is a manipulative liar? | ||
| What then? | ||
| Then is the point of the entire interview that the censorious people you were complaining about are actually right? | ||
| Alex knows that this isn't going to be how it goes, and by agreeing to have this interview, Vivek put him in a situation that is entirely subservient to Alex. | ||
| There is no win for him. | ||
| He's in a trap. | ||
| The second this interview starts. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Especially when you frame it with the I'm so brave and free speech. | ||
| No, I mean, the moment you start with that, you have revealed that what you want is to masturbate. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| To Alex Jones masturbating and you both tell each other that you look great doing it. | ||
| There's no way this interview can go bad for Alex once the framing of it is everybody told me not to interview you and I'm doing it anyway. | ||
| Because why would you then operate in a way that validates the cancel culture mob that you stand against? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| The idea of being an interview subject and the first thing that the interviewer says is, I'm the greatest just for talking to you. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| All I have to do is tie a little stroke of your ego and you'll let me say whatever the fuck I want. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be like, this guy's a clown. | ||
| I win. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| It's not a little stroke of the ego that comes, but that's exactly what happens. | ||
| And I'm not kissing your ass, it's just true. | ||
| You are the most informed on the leaders to attack him, which is true. | ||
| Geopolitically, you name it, compared to anybody I've ever... | ||
| Basically interviewed it, and Tucker Carlson's super smart, and I would say he has more charisma, but he's a close second. | ||
| Your grasp, because I see the random questions you're asked, of just a wide spectrum of things is amazing, and you're understanding that America, the idea of a free market competitive culture, is something the globalists can't have because they have a competing corporate oligarchy or tyranny and cashless society, social credit score they're setting up with the ESGs. | ||
| And the potential of America is so powerful because people aspire to that. | ||
| America has to be wiped out with political correctness and all the rest of it so that the whole world can be leveled down to one giant third-world population that BlackRock and the megacorporations can exploit and control and, quote, control our behavior, as Larry Fink said. | ||
| So congratulations on the work you've done. | ||
| The number one candidate I support is Donald Trump. | ||
| If something happened to him, I would support you for president. | ||
| And I'm very, very impressed. | ||
| A lot of people say, well, five years ago his views were a little bit different. | ||
| Well, so were mine. | ||
| And so people say, well, he wasn't perfect in the past. | ||
| Well, I'm not perfect today. | ||
| We have to be ready, as the world awakens to the real political system, to have converts to liberty and freedom in Americana. | ||
| And so the fact that you are a leading light, really promoting the truth, is amazing. | ||
| And the few people that criticize you saying, well, he just showed up on the scene. | ||
| Well, that's what happens with innovation and ideas. | ||
| Of course, you didn't just show up on the scene, but exploded on the national scene. | ||
| And so I really appreciate your campaign. | ||
| I think it's the best thing out there. | ||
| When you watch these Republican debates, they're unwatchable except for... | ||
| My listeners all agree. | ||
| The crew won't agree. | ||
| They absolutely do not. | ||
| Why don't we just have you up there for two hours? | ||
| Because there's nothing but talking points and canned garbage from the rest of them because I can tell you run your campaign. | ||
| All the rest of these people are told what to say. | ||
| Two minutes straight of Alex just kissing this guy's ass. | ||
| If I got half of that, I would slap that person in the face. | ||
| Like, stop this. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| I don't believe a fucking word you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, I would take that as hostile. | ||
| How dare you say that you and the crew agreed that I should be the only one up there for two hours? | ||
| You're fucking lying to me! | ||
| Well, actually, maybe not, but only because they hate the rest of the candidates. | ||
| Well, I mean, yeah. | ||
| In terms of that debate stage, yes. | ||
| Yes, maybe Vivek is the only one on there that they would like. | ||
| Here's a couple of choice comments on band.video from this interview. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Quote, Vivek is supported by the Soros family and the WEF. | ||
| Quote, he's Vivek the snake. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| I would actually lean into that one, though. | ||
| That'll get you a brand presence. | ||
| So there are some other videos on Band.Video from other creators, like Alex's buddy, Pete Santilli. | ||
| Here's one title from Pete Santilli. | ||
| Quote, attention all the fake rump-a-swampy dum-dums. | ||
| He's a well-known fraudster. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That is going to go down in history as one of the worst made-up, trying-to-be-bullying names. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| That's just mispronouncing it, and that's not even offensive. | ||
| No, because you had to throw Swamp in there. | ||
| No, no, I know, but I mean, if you were going to... | ||
| Rama Swampy would be the way you did it, instead of Rumpa. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| The audience definitely doesn't support Vivek, but Alex needs whatever promotion he can get at this point, so he's just pouring on the effusive praise in a way that would make Steve Pachanek blush. | ||
| This is just pathetic levels of trying to butter someone up, and if I were Vivek, there would be serious red flags going up. | ||
| But then again, Vivek doesn't know anything about who Alex actually is or what his audience believes, so he probably thinks this is legit and sincere praise. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's ridiculous. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He should have prepared. | ||
| I think. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| It's good to know a little bit about the person you're going into an interview with so you don't come out looking like a real rube. | ||
| I genuinely can't believe how much I have learned in recent times a lesson that I felt like I thought was very easy to learn when we were doing open mics, which is just like, oh, if you're asked to do a homework show, do your homework. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just not complicated. | ||
| Do your preparation. | ||
| Just prepare. | ||
| Everybody thinks you can wing it. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Sometimes you can. | ||
| Some people can. | ||
| Sometimes you can get away with it. | ||
| I think almost everybody can sometimes. | ||
| But when you find yourself in a situation where you think you can wing it and you can't, oh boy. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| It is tough. | ||
| And that's kind of why I think that it's good that we have that history of those open mics and stuff. | ||
| Because there is so little stakes to the not preparing for those. | ||
| You have the experience of, uh-oh, I'm in way over my head, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| There's four people in the audience. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So who cares? | ||
| The first time I think I did Arguments and Grievances, I think Drufki and I did it, and it was so bad we were both like, do not release that episode. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| We never, you know, I did it like three times since then. | ||
| Way better at preparing! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Way better at preparing, but that first time was so bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'll never forget it. | ||
| I did that show a number of times. | ||
| I always loved a homework show. | ||
|
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Shocking. | |
| What a shock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did the most embarrassing one I did. | ||
| I did against Derek Smith. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And we did Lost versus Gilligan's Island, a debate about that. | ||
| And I was on the side of Lost. | ||
| And I described how stupid Gilligan's Island was. | ||
| It's all this like, hey, the Globetrotters showed up at some point. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| And then Derek just got up and he's like... | ||
| Sounds pretty great. | ||
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And the audience was like, yeah! | |
| It's like, I dug my own grave here. | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| So anyway, Vivek is not prepared. | ||
| And here's where he jumps in with the first question. | ||
| Since we're meeting for the first time, just a few minutes. | ||
| I mean, your audience is probably very well familiar with this. | ||
| But in your own words, just to hear it without... | ||
| I didn't Google any of this beforehand. | ||
| I don't want to be biased. | ||
| What's your journey to the views that you have now? | ||
| I mean, what gets you going in terms of your mission? | ||
| You're clearly passionate guys, want to revive the essence of our founding ideals of the free exchange of ideas, not be controlled in a way that impedes the sovereignty of the United States. | ||
| So wait, if you didn't want to look anything up and wanted to eliminate all possibility of bias, why is Vivek interjecting what he believes Alex's fundamental mission to be? | ||
| Seems like he's injecting some bias here. | ||
| I mean, you can't be... | ||
| Oh, I didn't want to look anybody up, because I didn't want any bias. | ||
| Everybody in the world knows he sucks. | ||
| They told you. | ||
| You already were biased. | ||
| Your bias was, it's cooler for me to do what they say is wrong, so I already know that this guy's a piece of shit. | ||
| And even if you take him seriously, if you take this legitimately, I wanted to eliminate any bias so I didn't look you up. | ||
| It's basically just him saying, I'm rolling out the red carpet for you to say whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| I have no basis by which to refute anything you say. | ||
| I have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
| Please, lie at will. | ||
| I will not push back, sir. | ||
| And that means I must be the next president of the United States! | ||
| So Alex gets into talking about his family and how that was the basis of a lot of this stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But what... | ||
| What personally got you to that place right now? | ||
| I had a lot of family that worked in the sharp end of the stick in U.S. intelligence, and they never really told me any of the classified or secret stuff. | ||
| But my uncle was high level. | ||
| I ran contra and a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| See, I wouldn't have ever guessed it. | ||
| What, parents or uncles? | ||
| Just a lot of people, yeah. | ||
| Okay, a lot of people in your family were in U.S. intelligence. | ||
| Well, I mean, back during the 70s, 80s and stuff, before they went from Humet to electronic intelligence, there was a mobilization of the population against the Russians and others. | ||
| And so, yeah, I mean, I had a lot of family. | ||
| Unofficial. | ||
| No records. | ||
| And they would just talk about what the government was doing, what was going on. | ||
| They were patriots. | ||
| Just like we see all these whistleblowers now in the government. | ||
| They didn't like what was happening. | ||
| A lot of my family was caught up in the Red Scare, and they pretended that they were in far more official capacities than they were. | ||
| Much like Soldier of Fortune. | ||
| Yeah, very much. | ||
| Did I miss something? | ||
| Did we, like... | ||
| Did you rebrand the Iran-Contra thing as patriotism? | ||
| Did I miss that? | ||
| Yeah, you did. | ||
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But that was the thing that they didn't like! | |
| Right, but Larry Nichols was involved in it, and Alex's uncle, and so it can't be bad. | ||
| But the point of it was that Reagan wasn't supposed to do that because the people that like Reagan did it. | ||
| No, because he was fighting communism. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Now, here's the way that this cookie crumbles, or how the cow eats the cabbage, or whatever metaphor you want to use. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex has made Iran-Contra okay because he's created that version of it that they were secretly actually kidnapping kids and trafficking them. | ||
| That's the bad part of Iran-Contra. | ||
| The stuff that Larry Nichols was involved in and his uncle, that's the good part of Iran-Contra. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, I would say that Alex's uncle wasn't just running an airport hangar or whatever if he was high level in Iran-Contra. | ||
| Really feels that. | ||
| Feels like that deathbed confession might have been bullshit, Alex. | ||
| I do believe that his family gatherings are like Soldier of Fortune, though. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I 100% believe that they're like those stories of Bundys, you know, telling war stories. | ||
| War stories and none of you have been there. | ||
| It's lousy with white supremacists. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Much like Soldier of Fortune. | ||
| Much like Soldier of Fortune. | ||
| I wonder if Alex is going to fill the vacant on how his dad was the smartest boy in Texas and the globalists tried to recruit him into the depopulation plan multiple times, or how his family was full of JBS extremists, or how Alex got his mission from a prophetic vision he had. | ||
| as a child or how Alex is psychic and God has chosen him to fight the devil. | ||
| I wonder if he'll get stuff. | ||
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I'm going to guess not because he understands where he's at and he doesn't want to scare people off too fast. | |
| I mean, that would be... | ||
| I swear to you, I would actually be slightly interested in this if Vivek was like, you know what? | ||
| Let's just get into it, man. | ||
| Interdimensional space beings and the devil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| They're trying to sacrifice souls to Saturn. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, all of that shit, if that, if Vivek was like, let's, you know what? | ||
| It's Vivek. | ||
| It rhymes with cake. | ||
| Vivek. | ||
| And I know that because of his freestyle rapping. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I watched him freestyle rap, and that's one of the lines he said. | ||
| My name is Vivek. | ||
| It rhymes with cake. | ||
| It's very close. | ||
| Yeah, I believe that is exactly what it is. | ||
| But I'll never forget how to pronounce his name. | ||
| I just think he's going to become the next president of the United States. | ||
| You already have your money on Nikki Haley. | ||
| Not a lot of money. | ||
| It's a bad bet. | ||
| I would like that if Vivek knew what Alex believed and brought some of that into it. | ||
| I would appreciate that because it would make for a more interesting interview. | ||
| Secondarily, I think that Alex, like, we're talking about how he knows that he's got this wrapped around his finger. | ||
| And that is part of why he doesn't get into that other stuff. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Because this is an opportunity to potentially penetrate audiences that aren't in his normal revenue stream already. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And so you don't want to freak them out with all your talk about demons and how you see visions and downloads from God and all this stuff, because immediately they'll put you in a box of, oh, this person's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're doing your media thing, which is, I'm going on Vivek's show, so I'm going to do the Vivek's show. | ||
| Yes, and I'm going to pretend that this is all very... | ||
| It's really, like, document-based and, like, you know, it's all, like, taking the nonsense out of it. | ||
| And it's a pathetic display. | ||
| And if Vivek did any kind of research in advance, he would know that Alex is putting on a show for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that isn't the idea, right? | ||
| Like, if you're doing an interview with somebody and you ask them a question, then they would give the same response when they do another interview, right? | ||
| You'd hope. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Otherwise, the answer to the question is meaningless. | ||
| And so it's kind of good to watch other interviews of subjects that you're preparing to interview because then you can know if, like, wait, you said something different in another interview. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then you can get to deeper truth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's not what this is about. | ||
| That doesn't seem to be the case. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex talks about how his path, you know, of course, he had his family who were on the sharp end of Spears. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then Alex went to college, sort of. | ||
| Well. | ||
| When you're a child growing up hearing all this, I just kind of, I absorbed it. | ||
| I wasn't even really listening to it until later I realized how true it was. | ||
| And then I started to go to college a little bit, but I was already very successful in business by the time I was like 19 as a salesman. | ||
| And boom, I saw really this anti-American. | ||
| Race-based brainwashing that we see out in the open now that was going on here in Austin on the college campuses. | ||
| And so I decided... | ||
| And when was this? | ||
| Just so we track your time? | ||
| This was in about 1993. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I've been on air since 1994, officially 1995. | ||
| So Alex was a gym membership salesperson prior to, so that's what he was up to. | ||
| I bet he was really good at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really do think that he would be... | ||
| I think he would be a star salesman anyway. | ||
| He's a... | ||
| Terrifyingly charismatic and manipulative person. | ||
| He has no qualms with lying to people. | ||
| And he was built like Adonis back then. | ||
| So it would be very easy to have that charm kick in. | ||
| He's an example of the fitness that you could get at this gym. | ||
| So that's probably why he made a lot of money doing that. | ||
| Whenever I was doing the hearing aids thing, I went to a couple of conferences. | ||
| And there were a few of those guys where you saw them and you were like, You have no morality whatsoever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I did the Cutco knife sale. | ||
| I mean, I didn't actually end up doing it, but I went in for the interview or whatever, and I had a couple of friends who got sucked into it. | ||
| And actually bought the pack to go sell it to people. | ||
| And I did note that the people who were successful in it were the most able to turn off that part of themselves that has concern for others. | ||
| No, that first conversation where somebody's like, here's how you get somebody who doesn't necessarily need this. | ||
| You've explained everything that's wrong with all of the stuff. | ||
| And your standard is like, you know, people can give you three rebuttals before you have to listen to them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| So I want to say that Alex absolutely did not. | ||
| It was all about the Federal Reserve Bank. | ||
| It was about the Trans-Texas Corridor. | ||
| It was about the U.N. trying to take control of national parks. | ||
| It was about the ATF malfeasance in Waco. | ||
| It wasn't these social issues. | ||
| And obviously... | ||
| in the background for him, but he knew better than to make it his presentation because he knew they would put him in a box of, hey, oh, you know, your extreme right-wing world is really full of white supremacists. | ||
| And you're intentionally hiding. | ||
| You're putting a mask on some of your white identity beliefs and how you're angry about this race-based garbage because you don't want to be too obvious with it. | ||
| That this is the world you come from. | ||
| This is what you're about. | ||
| And his mask has slipped now. | ||
| And, you know, it's very clear. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is weird with his mask, though, insofar as, like, you can't really take it off. | ||
| Because when you take it off... | ||
| Then he turns around to the people who know the mask and he just puts it back on and it's fine. | ||
| We have to take away the mask, but it's inside of his brain. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Yeah, and he has such an interesting, like, position as, like, somebody who requires to have a mask and not at the same time because of the way that the financial pressures of his business work, the extremist expectations of his audience. | ||
| That balancing act requires mask and not mask simultaneously. | ||
| Like, when you have a mask on, you have to deny that you're wearing a mask. | ||
| When it's off, you have to pretend you are. | ||
| Like, it's just a mess. | ||
| He becomes Janice. | ||
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Who? | |
| The God. | ||
| The God. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| The God with the two faces. | ||
| I thought you meant the Muppet who was in Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem. | ||
| Not Janus. | ||
| Janus. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So Alex talks here a little bit about his early days in radio. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then I was going to community college, figuring out if I wanted to go to Maine College. | ||
| And it was just insane. | ||
| I went and sat in on some UT courses on RTF, radio, television, films. | ||
| I thought I might want to do that because I wanted to be politically involved. | ||
| And they were teaching 20-year-old stuff. | ||
| I was like, you're not talking about the Internet, these classes. | ||
| Why am I here? | ||
| Like, well, first you've got to take all these other classes. | ||
| So I started out on AXS TV in 1994. | ||
| Got my own show in 95. Got a website in 97. Got a local radio show in 96. Called up satellite companies, bought the equipment. | ||
| The station let me put in the connection to the satellite. | ||
| Syndicated myself when I was... | ||
| And you're in your early 20s doing... | ||
| Just decided you're going to do all this yourself. | ||
| Syndicated myself at 22. Got on suddenly like 50-something radio stations. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| Hit the national news immediately. | ||
| Decided to set us on coffee. | ||
| What were you talking about? | ||
| Well, instead of selling coffee mugs and newsletters like other talk shows did to supplement their income, I said, I'm going to make films. | ||
| It's really interesting the way that Alex is totally right and totally wrong about education. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's like, this is what I want to learn, and you're not teaching me that in this entry-level class. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And that is frustrating because he doesn't realize, like, oh, you've got to learn the basics. | ||
| That's kind of the part of education. | ||
| It's a progress. | ||
| It's a process thing. | ||
| But at the same time, his instinct is to, like, I'm going to fucking teach myself. | ||
| And there's something to be said for that. | ||
| I don't think that there's anything wrong with people who are like, this path of education isn't for me. | ||
| I'm going to learn by doing. | ||
| Because some people's brains work better that way. | ||
| But that is not a repudiation of education as a whole. | ||
| He just doesn't understand that there are multiple paths towards the goal that he wanted and he was too impatient or his brain just didn't work in the way that education goes. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it would have been nice. | ||
| It would have been nice if there was some way to be like, okay, agreed. | ||
| Nobody's talking about the internet. | ||
| Take Journalism 101. | ||
| Just ethics, Journal 101, and then leave. | ||
| If you had those two, just throw them out. | ||
| I don't know if 101's going to be enough for him. | ||
| The complicated immoralities that he is dealing in. | ||
| Also, he's conveniently leaving out the part where his dad got him his first radio show and, of course, the entire section of his syndication that came from his partnership with Ted Anderson and Midas Resources. | ||
| No, he's a self-made man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't you hear the story of a self-made boots from his bootstraps? | ||
| He didn't just supplement his income with documentaries. | ||
| He was a shameless gold shill. | ||
| That's probably not how I would tell the story either, if I'm talking to Vivek, and he's very clearly made abundantly obvious that he's not going to push back on anything. | ||
| I wouldn't say that I hooked up with an unsavory gold salesman who had a need for a front man to sell his gold, and that was what made my show. | ||
| I probably wouldn't say that either. | ||
| Yeah, Vivek is not so much printing the legend as being like, you want to be a myth, buddy? | ||
| I'll up your game! | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| So Alex, you know, his path hit a bump. | ||
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Oh, of course. | |
| At one point. | ||
| And that was 9-11. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Yeah, it was 9-11. | ||
| That's his best... | ||
| Well, some might say that, and I will after this clip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I just basically exploded onto the underground scene with conservatives and people that were aware of what was going on. | ||
| And in about 1996, I was already reaching millions of people. | ||
| And so it's been a long, long-term operation, 29 years on air. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Ever since? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We've... | ||
| You know, 9-11 happened, and I questioned 9-11. | ||
| And I was on almost 200 radio stations. | ||
| I've been offered, you know, by major companies, you know, the next big Rush Limbaugh-style deal. | ||
| I guess Glenn Beck took that deal. | ||
| Nothing against him. | ||
| You know, overall great guy, really smart. | ||
| And I went from almost 200 affiliates to 30-something affiliates in one month when 9-11 happened. | ||
| And I wasn't for radical Islam, and I believe Islamists were involved, but I knew about the NORAD stand-down. | ||
| I knew about Building 7. I knew about a lot of the stuff that I was talking to police about that were on the ground, that they knew it was coming, bare minimum. | ||
| Kind of like I'm against the attack on Israel, and Hamas is terrible. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Something like 85% of the Israelis think the government knew and let it happen now. | ||
| Wait, it's Hamas now? | ||
| So it's the same thing. | ||
| But when I said that then, the radio network owners I was on... | ||
| GCN came to me and they said, listen, we just lost 50 affiliates today. | ||
| They're all going to dump you if you don't stop. | ||
| And I said, well, it's the truth. | ||
| I'm going to keep questioning it. | ||
| So that just shows I never did this for monetary gain or just to be popular. | ||
| Though I do need monetary operations to fund my operation and be free and independent, I'm not for sale. | ||
| And so I've already been up and down. | ||
| That's why when they de-platformed me and things and thought I would just give up, I didn't. | ||
| So I started out on Access Television. | ||
| And so I've started from the very... | ||
| You know, mailroom of media, and I've, you know, at one point in 2016-17, much bigger show than Rush Limbaugh, much bigger show than Joe Rogan, undoubtedly the number one independent, or not even independent, media show in the country, over 30 million viewers and listeners. | ||
| 2016, 2017. | ||
| And then that's when they do platforming because I was just number one. | ||
| I mean, every day I have 25 million listeners conservatively. | ||
| And so that's when they said, well, we've got to stop this guy. | ||
| And then that's when they got a tax game. | ||
| But I've survived that, and now we've rebuilt. | ||
| And in many ways, we're stronger than ever. | ||
| We're definitely more influential. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It just allows all that to be presented without question. | ||
| But it is an interesting question, the dynamics of losing stations over 9-11 conspiracies. | ||
| For one thing, I don't actually believe that they lost that many stations because of it. | ||
| I have a strong suspicion this is overblown, and honestly, based on my multiple assessments of Alex's radio reach over the years, I don't think that radio has ever really been that important to him in terms of a financial kind of construct. | ||
| Ted and GCN needed Alex to sell gold, and if he was able to do that by radio commercials, that's great. | ||
| But if Alex is able to sell more gold with less stations, Ted wouldn't have any problem with that. | ||
| I suspect Alex understood that. | ||
| He stood to gain far more by positioning himself as the world's primary 9-11 truther, and that brand was actually much more profitable for him than whatever low-level radio markets his sh** had. | ||
| stopped running it. | ||
| He had to have known that. | ||
| He's clever enough. | ||
| Plus, I'm not... | ||
| He went to RTF and was like, you're not talking about the internet. | ||
| Right. | ||
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He gets it. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| on some base level, whether it's an intellectual understanding or an instinctual one, what kind of works? | ||
| And especially, he was much better prior to the erosion of his brain from alcohol and drugs and whatever he's done now. | ||
| But back then, he would have been very keenly aware that there is an intense excitement on message boards and all over the internet about this 9-11 stuff. | ||
| This is an untapped market. | ||
| I can be the voice and the face of this. | ||
| Bill Cooper's dead. | ||
| There is a lot of opportunity here in this space. | ||
| What do I have to worry about losing some kind of... | ||
| Fourth-tier market radio station? | ||
| That doesn't matter. | ||
| And plus, Alex, a lot of his audience is rural and outside of the range of these larger radio station transmission signals. | ||
| All of that area is covered on shortwave. | ||
| His WWCR extreme right-wing radio station that... | ||
| Does the shortwave broadcasting? | ||
| They would have never had a problem with his 9-11 truth or stuff. | ||
| So I don't really think that there was a hit that he took from that. | ||
| What I'm saying is that I don't buy into the premise that Alex, like him being willing to lose stations over 9-11 means he's not motivated by money. | ||
| I think it's a good way to create that presentation, though I don't believe the details actually bear that out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, in a different context, saying, like, I caught the trend early, I realized what was going on, and I pounced on it, and I was rewarded for that, that is a totally okay thing to say. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I think it's an illustration of a great characteristic. | ||
| Totally, yeah. | ||
| But that's not... | ||
| The person that Alex is being for this interview. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex isn't being a great businessman for this interview. | ||
| He's telling you all of his business accomplishments as a way of telling you that people will follow even though I'm not going for all of these business accomplishments kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's a journalist. | ||
| That's what you've got to understand. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure that he's legally not a journalist according to a... | ||
| Well, I mean, in certain sections of time, circumstances... | ||
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| He'll say he's not a journalist. | ||
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Right. | |
| When it's convenient. | ||
| But other times he'll say he is. | ||
| Either way, that's irrelevant because this is Vivek saying that he's a journalist. | ||
| What I'm hearing is the story of a journalist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The story of a journalist. | ||
| Records things, describes them, and shares them with people. | ||
| Portrait of the journalist is a young man. | ||
| Let me ask a question. | ||
| I'll tell you where I'm going with this. | ||
| You're in this to seek underlying truth that other people aren't getting to. | ||
| That's what I'm hearing you in telling your story. | ||
| Now, once in a while, that means you're going to... | ||
| Find something that looks like it's going to be one way. | ||
| It wasn't exactly the way you thought, and so maybe you were wrong. | ||
| I've made a lot of mistakes. | ||
| Yeah, and so what do you do in that scenario? | ||
| Let's say you're a journalist. | ||
| Double down. | ||
| I know how mainstream media deals are. | ||
| Lie more. | ||
| That's a different way. | ||
| They sweep it under the rug. | ||
| Let's say you're wrong, and you realize that you had one thesis, and you were getting to the bottom of it, but then you get to the hard facts, and you say, hey, You were wrong about it. | ||
| Give me an example of where that happened, actually. | ||
| I think that's kind of interesting to hear you talk about. | ||
| Also, what I've noticed is they've had a lot of national TV characters like Homeland and the newer X-Files that came out in 2016. | ||
| That is also what I've noticed in response to that question. | ||
| Homeland? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And a bunch of them. | ||
| You can look it up. | ||
| Spider-Man. | ||
| They'll create this straw man where I'm lying on purpose and I'm getting things wrong on purpose and I never meant I'm wrong. | ||
| I always, when I said I thought I knew something and I was wrong, I always admitted it. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| So that's not an answer to the question at all, huh? | ||
| No. | ||
| But I think that this is actually a great question for Vivek to ask if he had any awareness of who Alex is. | ||
| It's shockingly like a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's a process question, kind of. | ||
| It's a question of... | ||
| We take for granted that you have gotten some things wrong. | ||
| Everybody gets things wrong. | ||
| You're seeking the truth, but sometimes you go down the wrong road. | ||
| How do you deal with that? | ||
| The what do you do, the how do you do it, that is an interesting question. | ||
| Right, because you have to reflect a little bit, or at least in order to answer the question, you have to have reflected a little bit. | ||
| And have experience. | ||
| And of course, Alex deflects with a straw man of me in the media. | ||
| Yeah, that's about what I would expect Alex to respond to that with. | ||
| So Vivek brings it back to center, and he wants an example. | ||
| And of course, because Alex is in the situation that he is, with the interview being clearly like, I can say whatever the fuck I want, he just starts rambling about Sandy Hook. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Wise move! | ||
| As always. | ||
| Give me an example. | ||
| In the case of Sandy Hook, Long before they sued me, long before they came after me, I barely talked about it. | ||
| If you look at my live as a timeline, at first I thought it was official and thought it happened. | ||
| Then some professors and people came out with a bunch of anomalies and thought it might have been staged. | ||
| Just like people are questioning whether Hamas cut babies' heads off right now. | ||
| You know, that's the big thing going on. | ||
| And I don't think there's really proof to that. | ||
| But they blow them up, they shoot them, it's the same thing. | ||
| So when you get things wrong... | ||
| Now people are on Twitter saying, oh, we need to sue the people that said they cut babies' heads off, or we need to sue the people that say it didn't happen. | ||
| Center out. | ||
| Center. | ||
| The debate was Jussie Smollett really attacked, which we now know that was fake. | ||
| Or, you know, so many of these other events, like Operation Northwoods and things, did plan to do atrocities or did plan to stage atrocities and blame on an enemy. | ||
| And so with that, I started saying, oh, two or three years before I got sued, I said, I don't want to talk about this. | ||
| I think the people that said this, it turns out, are lunatics. | ||
| I think the info they put out, they were professors and school safety experts. | ||
| I found some of what they said, the anomalies, wasn't true. | ||
| I think school shootings happened. | ||
| And because every time there was a school shooting, people would say, Alex Jones is saying this isn't happening. | ||
| Whether it was Parkland, any of that. | ||
| So I was saying, no, I think this is happening. | ||
| And then the media and the system went, oh, he's weak on that because they would never, they would sweep it under the rug if they were wrong. | ||
| Let's get him. | ||
| So then they resurrected it. | ||
| I was deplatformed for other stuff. | ||
| I mean, look it up. | ||
| So Vivek is showing himself to be way out of his depth by letting this answer go on. | ||
| This is an absolute lie, and Vivek doesn't really know that. | ||
| He doesn't know that Alex was suggesting that Sandy Hook was a false flag under oath in the depositions for his defamation trial. | ||
| He doesn't know that Alex was suggesting that on air during the trial because he was mad at the plaintiffs. | ||
| Further, Vivek has no idea what Alex did or didn't do around Sandy Hook, so he's in no position to push back against this complete fraud of a retelling of Alex's actions. | ||
| Because he's in no position to do his job, As an interviewer, he's tacitly signing off on Alex's version of reality. | ||
| This is why people say it's a bad idea to talk to Alex. | ||
| It's because he will lie to your face and you don't have the information at your disposal to rebut it in real time. | ||
| You're a clown being played by a liar. | ||
| That's all that's happening here. | ||
| When you're asking for an example of a time that you were wrong and how did you deal with that, Alex is explaining how he wasn't really wrong. | ||
| He was, hey, we just had some conversations about some stuff. | ||
| And then he's just going into his script about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And I did do wrong, but I actually knew that it was going to be wrong. | ||
| I only did it because I was contractually obligated to. | ||
| People had questions. | ||
| You know, all these people. | ||
| I'm doing it to make other people happy. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| I make other people happy. | ||
| I wasn't trying to hurt people. | ||
| And by the time there were any consequences for it, I had already cleared it up and I was already moved on past it. | ||
| And then they had to resurrect it in order to attack me because I was the most popular show in the world. | ||
| I swear to you, once he started talking, I immediately in my head had these terrible flashbacks of just being like... | ||
| Alright, I need to remind you, this is not to determine innocence or guilt. | ||
| This is a damages hearing. | ||
| I just kept hearing that in my brain. | ||
| Well, you're going to have more flashbacks of that, because he does talk about his trial a little bit. | ||
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| And of course, it's all lies. | ||
| I had a jury trial, but they found me guilty, the judge did, and they would not let us put on evidence. | ||
| It was only a trial on damages. | ||
| They put on a financial expert and said he's worth $400 million. | ||
| I had like $3 million in the bank at the time for emergency backup money. | ||
| That's gone now. | ||
| And then they put me through. | ||
| They told the bankruptcy court I had all this money. | ||
| And of course, it was proven I told the truth. | ||
| Obviously, I go to jail if I lied in there. | ||
| And they don't care because they said, we want to take him off the air. | ||
| We want to silence him. | ||
| We want to end his free speech. | ||
| These are quotes that they said in Connecticut. | ||
| In the court, outside the court, and in Texas, inside the court. | ||
| So I want to move on from that, because there's bigger things than me. | ||
| But this weaponization of the judiciary, Giuliani was basically defaulted in New York, because there wasn't evidence they were asking for it. | ||
| The judges said, you're guilty. | ||
| Fox, in its January 6th case. | ||
| What is this defaulting business? | ||
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What? | |
| They have in law... | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| A default means it's called... | ||
| I should know this. | ||
| It's called the death penalty. | ||
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Yes! | |
| You shouldn't know it because it's not supposed to be used. | ||
| But I don't know about it. | ||
| It's called a death penalty sanction. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And so if they say you don't participate in a civil trial, the judge can find you guilty by default. | ||
| They still have to have a trial on the damages. | ||
| They didn't even give me a real trial on the damages. | ||
| So this is a fraud on America and is very dangerous. | ||
| And they're defaulting people across the board now. | ||
| If you don't show up. | ||
| Yeah, but I did. | ||
| And with me, they said, well, you didn't give us the discovery because it didn't exist. | ||
| They said, show us the marketing material for San Diego. | ||
| I don't do marketing material for shows. | ||
| I look at a bunch of news articles, some video clips. | ||
| I go on air. | ||
| I didn't do a marketing study with you for this. | ||
| This is new to me. | ||
| We talked for two minutes. | ||
| We talked for two minutes before we went on air, right? | ||
| Maybe two minutes, a minute. | ||
| A minute and a half. | ||
| He walks in, boom, sits down. | ||
| Get on there. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The judge says, give me the marketing material. | ||
| Vivek, tell me about your plan with Alex. | ||
| Tell me about the secret plans you guys had in this thing. | ||
| All the marketing, all the Google Analytics. | ||
| Tell me about your meeting. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| You're not going to give me the evidence? | ||
| You're defaulted. | ||
| I'm just going to say, I'm personally a little bit blushing here. | ||
| I don't even know about this legal procedure. | ||
| That's because they're not supposed to use it. | ||
| But they're literally... | ||
| So it's not even that you don't show up. | ||
| And you default. | ||
| That's what it's supposed to be. | ||
| If you're not participating in the process according to the standards that they set. | ||
| And they set a bar you can't reach. | ||
| I'm going to go back and learn the heck about this. | ||
| If what you described is true, that is a real danger to the integrity of the judicial system. | ||
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I'm going to go independently learn about this myself. | |
| Let me tell you what a danger to the integrity of this interview is. | ||
| Entering an interview with Alex Jones. | ||
| Not knowing about how his case even went. | ||
| If you're interviewing Alex Jones and you don't know about a default, like why that would happen, why that did happen, you're fucked. | ||
| You have no business having this conversation. | ||
| You're just going to let Alex steamroll you, which is what's happening. | ||
| As a matter of simple personal interest, you should... | ||
| If you are talking to a man who has got the largest individual judgment in history against him, at the very least be interested in how it came about to have the largest judgment in history against him. | ||
| If you're allowing this line of conversation to happen in your interview, you shouldn't be like, oh my god, Alex, I can't believe this. | ||
| What is that thing? | ||
| That's a level of unpreparedness that is dangerous. | ||
| I mean, like, I just think about this, like, you know, Tom Metzger, the guy from, like, White Aryan Resistance? | ||
| You know that guy? | ||
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No! | |
| He was a big neo-Nazi white supremacist guy. | ||
| He ran, like, one of the bigger... | ||
| Proud to say I do not know who that is. | ||
| He was an awful dude, and he also was the subject of one of Louis Theroux's Weird Weekend type things. | ||
| He went and lived with that guy for a bit, and it was nuts. | ||
| But, like, what if people told Vivek not to talk to him? | ||
| Like, would he not look up this Nazi guy and what he did? | ||
| Like, what level of unpreparedness is acceptable to Vivek? | ||
| Like, is it just because Alex has a sizable platform and you think, like, we can both score from this a little bit? | ||
| We can both get a little bit of juice going? | ||
| We can both get some of that attention that we desperately need? | ||
| Is that really all that it takes to, like... | ||
| Go blind into an interview with a liar? | ||
| Seems really reckless. | ||
| I think it takes a certain amount of money and not having to worry about whether or not you are doing a good or bad job. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| So Vivek and Alex talk more about his trial and it's all just the standard lies that we hear all the time. | ||
| And Vivek is just eating that shit up. | ||
| So I'm going to skip past this a little bit. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| To where we talk about the world. | ||
| All right. | ||
| 1776 worldwide, baby. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| I would call that 1776 worldwide. | ||
| And that's not America controlling things. | ||
| It's the idea of freedom, idea of the people, the idea of loving your nation, empowering the individual, and a meritocracy where... | ||
| Because, I mean, I looked at... | ||
| Meritocracy. | ||
| What a word. | ||
| Well, it's a bad word these days. | ||
| Not for you. | ||
| I mean, I go back and I look at World War II. | ||
| And almost all of our generals got there through meritocracy and grew up on little farms or in poor areas of cities. | ||
| And there was almost nobody whose dad or granddad was an admiral who was there. | ||
| In fact, it was almost discrimination against the aristocracy was what America was doing. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard that one a lot. | ||
| George Washington was being discriminated against by the aristocracy. | ||
| Court went out for the aristocracy. | ||
| Part of it, he was mad. | ||
| That was one of the big reasons that even the, quote, elites of America fought the British elites because they were tired of saying, well, I'm actually your cousin, but I'm not a lord. | ||
| So I can't ship products out of the colonies. | ||
| And so if the rich guys want freedom and they finally set up for themselves, that will have to trickle down. | ||
| And that's why they can point to America's beginning and say we weren't perfect. | ||
| But it was the idea of the process. | ||
| And as more people get into that, that's the victory. | ||
| Now you look at who is the leaders of the military. | ||
| They'll have some token people. | ||
| Oh, look, a black guy, you know, a white lady or whatever. | ||
| What? | ||
| Look, it's a bunch of bluebloods whose grandfathers were in control at the end of World War II when America absorbed the British Empire and became this new globalist system. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I don't know what this is all based on, but interesting things just being said. | ||
| That is a series of things that didn't happen. | ||
| I don't even know how to fact check most generals in the olden days weren't Nepo babies or whatever. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I mean, that is one of the craziest things that I have ever heard because... | ||
| I know for a fact it is the complete opposite. | ||
| I would suspect a large part of it is the opposite, but the romantic version of Americana Past would tell you the story of the grew up on a farm and became a general. | ||
| There is a great apple pie-ass narrative that is there, and I'm sure that is the case for some folks, but I don't know what quantifiable thing Alex is talking about. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I can't think of a single war that I have read or know about that isn't littered with commanding officers who are timid and stupid because they're rich who eventually get kicked out and then shit happens. | ||
| That is the story of war. | ||
| Rich kids... | ||
| What about Colonel Travis? | ||
| Rich kids being stupid is the story of war. | ||
| Like, that is what you should think of when you think of war, you should think of rich kids being idiots because their parents want more shit. | ||
| Nah, they were all good farm boys who just made good, and nowadays it's all the blue bloods, but then they have token minorities. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, seriously, that is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, but you know, Vivek is just going along with it. | ||
| Meritocracy, what a dirty word. | ||
| Meritocracy, oh my god. | ||
| People who have no merit will not stop becoming successful and then telling me about how great the meritocracy is. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Alex has gotten where he is on his merits, not by being the tool of a gold salesman and having his dad get him a radio show. | ||
| Anyway, Vivek waxes romantic here about 1776. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I would say that it is notable that there is nobody named Ramaswamy who signed the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| Oh, why? | ||
| I do think that is notable. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| The optimistic side says that what a special time it would have been to be alive in the spring of 1776. | ||
| I mean, it was a special time to be alive. | ||
| You've got Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| The age of 33, people say, I'm young. | ||
| I've lost 12 children. | ||
| He was 33 when he wrote the Declaration. | ||
| 1776 sucks. | ||
| You have people who are the pioneers, the explorers, the unafraid. | ||
| I ate my friend. | ||
| We are going to not just be victimized by this. | ||
| We're going to chart a new way forward. | ||
| That's the moment we live in. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| 33 was old back then because a lot of people died young. | ||
| You either die young or live a really long time, but the average was we didn't live as long. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| People were married by 16. People were explorers by 16. And Thomas Jefferson lived a long time, but by 33, he was leading a revolution against an empire that had never been an inventor. | ||
| And he was inventing things. | ||
| He was an engineer. | ||
| He invented the swivel chair, invented a bunch of other things, too, while he's writing the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| That spirit... | ||
| In some ways, would history have produced the Thomas Jeffersons and the Alexander Hamiltons of the world if it weren't for the fact that they had this oppressive regime to stand up against? | ||
| I think probably not. | ||
| No, I totally agree. | ||
| So this is an opportunity, the moment we live in. | ||
| Because I am sick and tired, even myself, of, I don't know if you've read some of the books I've written or anything like this, of pointing out the problem. | ||
| I've got plenty of that. | ||
| Oh yeah, sure you have. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Did he just say he has read some of Vivek Ramaswamy's books? | ||
| Of course, he's read them all. | ||
| Top to bottom. | ||
| Page one to page X. I just feel like a man who is either this stupid or this willing to look this stupid. | ||
| Should be polling higher than 4%. | ||
| I would suspect that maybe he could, but I don't think that's his goal. | ||
| I do think that his goal is creating a media brand. | ||
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| No, obviously. | ||
| You probably wouldn't do a Twitter show where you interview Papa John. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, and he's almost at the Casey Kasem voice level of radio voice. | ||
| He does have a good voice. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a great voice. | ||
| Be on the radio. | ||
| And I do think that if you're... | ||
| After not being critical, thinking about what he's saying, there is something that does draw you in about this idea of being alive in 1776. | ||
| Everyone is just invigorated by the oppression that they're living in. | ||
| It creates the opportunity to be such a brave, great person. | ||
| You become historically important because of the terrible times that you're in. | ||
| And I guess that's probably why you would want to, like, really over-inflate your own oppression in order to create the perception that you will be historically remembered as a great man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I'm not sure if that's the case. | ||
| Also, I think a lot of people were having... | ||
| A real, real bad time in 1776. | ||
| I would say that, boy, I feel like people, if they really thought about America's birth, you know, like you see those polls, it's like people are worried. | ||
| They're like, 25% of Americans think political violence is okay. | ||
| How can we imagine that? | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| Man, I don't know if you know shit about America. | ||
| But I don't know what political violence would have pulled at back then either. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, people don't necessarily want that, but there were a lot of rich people with a lot of money who could... | ||
| Basically get what they wanted. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson was not a rich guy. | ||
| He invented the swivel chair. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out there. | ||
| I don't think these people would celebrate the same way if the slaves were to have killed Thomas Jefferson and overthrown them. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| I don't think so, and yet somehow I feel like the slaves had a better argument than Thomas Jefferson did. | ||
| I think that there's a lot of various ways things could have gone differently in 1776. | ||
| It still follows a lot of the ideas of freedom. | ||
| These people would have been very opposed to it. | ||
| Very, very against, yeah. | ||
| So Alex, as he's known to do, quotes a meme. | ||
| You guys know why this has happened, though? | ||
| I mean, look. | ||
| There's a meme. | ||
| It's totally true. | ||
| History shows it. | ||
| Bad times make hard men. | ||
| Hard men make good times. | ||
| Good times make weak men. | ||
| Weak men make bad times. | ||
| It's a cycle. | ||
| So a lot of it is our fault. | ||
| We can't just blame the globalists and the aristocracy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Their rot is our rot. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| There's so much entertainment, so much food. | ||
| We've got to look in the mirror and ask ourselves, why is it that we bend the knee? | ||
| Yeah, it's our fault. | ||
| So I don't think that the past few decades have been particularly soft times for people who are in other segments of society than Alex. | ||
| Like, has the LGBTQ community just been coasting, just easy sailing since the 70s? | ||
| Because they've had it so easy. | ||
| You need to hear that quote that Alex rattles off and realize he's only thinking about this in terms of white men. | ||
| Things have gone too easy for white men, so they've gotten soft. | ||
| That's what Alex is saying. | ||
| Yes, that is exactly what he's saying. | ||
| He's not talking about other people who've had decades of struggle. | ||
| I mean, it is so... | ||
| It's so wild that just because Alex can make these noises that sound like words, people will believe them. | ||
| And Vivek will say, thank you. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| This is what I'm talking about. | ||
| Somebody said noises that sound like the things that don't correspond to what those noises mean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of ridiculous. | ||
| So the problem is, we blame the globalists, but really we need to look in the mirror. | ||
| We need to blame ourselves. | ||
| And we also need solutions. | ||
| Yes, when the Israelites escape from the Pharaoh, they're lost in the desert. | ||
| You have to find the promised land. | ||
| Go away. | ||
| What did they say? | ||
| We want to go back and be ruled by the Pharaoh. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And so we can complain about the Pharaoh all we want. | ||
| And it exists. | ||
| You know, the global ESG movement, modern stakeholder. | ||
| But we have to build our own system. | ||
| What is it that makes us want to bend the knee? | ||
| That's actually what this book, The Great Awakening, comes out next week. | ||
| It's available on Infowars right now, pre-order. | ||
| This is a really important book, Defeating the Globalist and Launching the Next Great Renaissance. | ||
| I wasn't even going to bring the book up until you brought this up. | ||
| This book is not just about how they're bad. | ||
| That's half the book. | ||
| The rest is solutions. | ||
| So I'm really impressed with your work and research. | ||
| I hope you'll read it. | ||
| Want to take a copy? | ||
| Please, sir. | ||
| Take a couple for your crew as well. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Unreal. | |
| You're totally nailing it. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| I could watch and listen to you. | ||
| That's how I was able to steal your thunder and say, in fact, you influenced this book in me hearing you. | ||
| We've got to talk about solutions. | ||
| And I was already on that kick, but you're right. | ||
| I was like, I've got to write a book about solutions. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You influenced this book. | ||
| I have never felt so insulted by compliments. | ||
| On someone else's behalf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm furious on Vivek's behalf. | ||
| Now, here's the flip side. | ||
| Vivek may actually have inspired the book a little bit, but that's because Alex didn't write it. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
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That's because someone else wrote it who might actually like Vivek. | |
| Why do we bend the knee? | ||
| It couldn't possibly be because of food and violence and how rich people control both. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| We need solutions. | ||
| Thank God I have a book. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I haven't read a book with a fucking solution in it for 20 years. | ||
| Well, I've got just the book for you. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
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It's called Alex's Dumb Shit. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| I'm not looking forward to that book. | ||
| No, I believe you. | ||
| Because, spoiler alert, I've been working on my book-length analysis of Alex's other book. | ||
| And if past is prelude, that second one's going to suck so much. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, Alex doesn't hate gay people, which is a strange thing for this direction of this to go, but apparently he doesn't. | ||
| If the left is feeding us race, gender, sexuality, climate, how about reviving the individual? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How about the family? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nation. | ||
| This is the first I've heard of these topics. | ||
| From you? | ||
| I'm a citizen of this nation, the United States of America. | ||
| And I'm proud of it. | ||
| I'm not going to apologize for it. | ||
| And by the way, God, I think, plays a big role in this, too. | ||
| I think the revival of faith is something that can unite us. | ||
| I totally agree with this. | ||
| Tell me more about God. | ||
| And again, I'm not against gay people. | ||
| Tell me all about God. | ||
| Rainbow flag stuff. | ||
| But it's the new flag. | ||
| They're even talking about getting rid of the American flag. | ||
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| They're now trying to take George Washington's statue down in New York. | ||
| They're now doing all of this. | ||
| And this is all unfolding, and we're having our symbols that recognize who we are and what we stand for away from us and giving us a new one that is a government-corporate-directed sex cult. | ||
| I don't care if it was a heterosexual cult showing me their flag and taking down our flag and telling my kids about it. | ||
| Do you mean you would prefer that? | ||
| If it was some new flag about NASCAR, I'm not against NASCAR, but it was NASCAR stuff everywhere, and them telling my kids pledge allegiance to NASCAR, I'd say, this is a NASCAR cult. | ||
| Get it out of here. | ||
| Is there something inherently sexual about NASCAR? | ||
| I am really creeped out by all of this. | ||
| It's a very strange jump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, apparently rainbow flags are the mark of a sex cult that is controlled and operated and all that by the government. | ||
| So that's fun. | ||
| Alex doesn't hate gay people, though. | ||
| I find it so strange whenever people make points and then refuse to, like, you know, like they go forward and then refuse to go backward, too. | ||
| You know, where it's like, okay, well, if I think it's silly to pledge allegiance to NASCAR, it might... | ||
| It might be silly to pledge allegiance to anybody. | ||
| No, not if it's our country. | ||
| Wait, no, but see, our country is essentially NASCAR. | ||
| There's no difference. | ||
| They're all imaginary. | ||
| They're all in your head, man. | ||
| There's no difference. | ||
| Pledging allegiance to this is simply giving up your agency. | ||
| Now, here's where things get interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, basically, pledging allegiance is doing the opposite of this individualism. | ||
| It's idolatry. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| I think we run into a really fundamental problem with Alex's thought process that maybe we don't unpack enough. | ||
| And that is, it is somewhat in our head, the concept of country in the same way that NASCAR is in our head, or whatever. | ||
| Pledging allegiance to a NASCAR flag doesn't really... | ||
| Yeah, these are all fictional things. | ||
| But for Alex, I don't think it is. | ||
| I think that he actually does believe that there is something intrinsic and objective in its reality about the country because of his belief that it's divinely inspired and all that. | ||
| That's a really interesting question. | ||
| I mean, a really interesting point. | ||
| Even if I pledge allegiance, even if I say I pledge allegiance to the flag, I don't really. | ||
| I don't fucking care. | ||
| And there's no rule that makes me. | ||
| But for Alex, you're right, there may be the idea of a cosmic, if you say these words, they do mean something. | ||
| Yeah, and the notion of the flag as a proxy of the country is like something holy and real. | ||
| It does not exist subjectively for you or intersubjectively as a concept that we share in our brains. | ||
| It is just fully objective for you. | ||
| I mean, that's probably also why I can never understand people like that. | ||
| That concept of, like, you know none of this is real, right? | ||
| And it's something that isn't really unpacked at all by Alex. | ||
| Because I don't think he's even aware that other people don't engage the same way. | ||
| Which is so weird, because those are almost entirely that kind of, like... | ||
| Paper money is just paper, man. | ||
| It's all just numbers on the screen. | ||
| Like, those are the same conversations about how he wants the gold standard and shit like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because money is imaginary. | ||
| Like, it's all imaginary, dude. | ||
| You know what's so funny, though, too? | ||
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Like... | |
| I've been thinking about this, because he's so worried about digital money and stuff, like central bank digital currencies and stuff. | ||
| And it's like, okay, so now you're defending paper money. | ||
| This is the same thing. | ||
| It's all over again. | ||
| I just don't want anything to change while I'm still alive! | ||
| You've shifted this entire thing. | ||
| Like, paper money was evil when you wanted gold everywhere and all this. | ||
| And now, I just don't want ones and zeros. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Disgusting. | ||
| So the LGBTQ flag and all this, it's a sex cult. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But he doesn't have any problem. | ||
| No. | ||
| And Vivek doesn't understand cults. | ||
| And what it is... | ||
| A cult is interesting. | ||
| It's an interesting use of the word. | ||
| So a cult is a religion that has not withstood the test of time. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| There's an old saying, actually. | ||
| Are you insane? | ||
| Blaise Pascal, he was a scientist of all things, but he said if there's a hole the size of God in your heart and God does not fill it, something else will instead. | ||
| And my civic version of that... | ||
| They kicked God out and now... | ||
| Some other poison fills the void. | ||
| Demon is filling it. | ||
| And so my version of that in a civic sense is if we don't pledge allegiance to the American flag or to a true flag of our nation, we're going to pledge allegiance to a different flag instead. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I have no idea why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that's true. | ||
| But also, if Vivek thinks that the only difference between a religion and a cult is longevity, he's revealing a very negative perspective on religion. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't say that one around, I guess, all of Christianity. | ||
| Alex, you take great offense at that. | ||
| I mean, how can you possibly say that and not be like, oh, so you mean Christianity was just a cult? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, like, it also reveals a real shallow grasp on, like, what a cult is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Cult tactics, cult behaviors. | ||
| The revelations of depth here? | ||
| Not many. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Alex, they get to talking, you know, about climate change. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And now, here's something that's interesting about Vivek. | ||
| And by that I mean not very interesting. | ||
| He thinks that anybody who believes in climate change, it's disqualifying for you to be able to lead in the country. | ||
| Boy, if that's one of them... | ||
| Then I think I get to add a bunch more, too, and all of them apply to VBAC. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of list of things that should be disqualifying. | ||
| One, having an unprepared interview with Alex. | ||
| Really seems like that's right out the gate. | ||
| Seeing the moment he said, Hi, Alex, welcome to my show, and didn't say, Goodbye! | ||
| Or, here is my big stack of paper that I've prepared. | ||
| Rebuttals to all your standard-ass talking points and your lies. | ||
| Yeah, that would be the to-catch-a-predator of interviews for Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here they get into talking. | ||
| Alex reveals his position, which we've heard him say before, which is that we need to burn more fossil fuels. | ||
| And this is just ridiculous. | ||
| I'm not a petroleum geologist. | ||
| I have a family that is. | ||
| They told me this 30 years ago. | ||
| It's not coming from dead whales and dead dinosaurs. | ||
| They now have the devices and systems. | ||
| They keep finding oil deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper, 50,000, 60,000 feet, all the way down to the mantle, through the crust. | ||
| And they're hitting oil and gas deposits that are so big, they don't have pipes that can contain what's coming up. | ||
| And what it is, is if you look at Mars, scientists now believe that it once had an atmosphere, but it's, this is a short science lesson, but it once had an atmosphere, but its gravity wasn't big enough to hold the atmosphere and it had water. | ||
| I believe that was a movie. | ||
| You know, there's water on the surface, there's water on the surface of the moon, that's been confirmed. | ||
| India confirmed that, what our folks confirmed back in the 60s. | ||
| So that's going on. | ||
| So there's actually giant reserves, and they're saying these gases are bad. | ||
| The Earth used to have way higher concentrations of methane, carbon dioxide, oxygen, all the... | ||
| But it's off-gas into space and it has retreated underground. | ||
| So if you look at millions of years ago... | ||
| The gases have retreated. | ||
| Now what carbon dioxide is 0.4. | ||
| I mean, it's a fraction of a percent. | ||
| And things used to be healthier. | ||
| Plants can take 10 times carbon dioxide. | ||
| They grow faster, need less water. | ||
| We need this, so it's really a magic moment, talking about God existing, that right as the Earth starts to slowly lose its atmosphere, it'll probably still be a few million years, we come along and are digging all this up and terraforming. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Geoengineering, putting it back up. | ||
| It's good, folks. | ||
| They want to ban cows because they broadcast methane. | ||
| So do you. | ||
| Methane helps hold heat in. | ||
| We're due for another ice age, a 12,000-year cycle. | ||
| You know what's funny, Alex? | ||
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12,000 years? | |
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| You might know this, but if you go to the... | ||
| Newsweek cover magazine or Time magazine in the 1970s. | ||
| Freezing. | ||
| Global ice age. | ||
| That's what they were saying. | ||
| And if you don't abandon our modern way of life for that, for in a different direction, we're going to have a global ice age. | ||
| More people are going to die this year of eight times as many people. | ||
| Actually, this year are going to die of cold temperatures rather than warm ones. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| These are facts you don't hear in the ordinary climate discourse. | ||
| And they also lie. | ||
| They also lie. | ||
| They say, hottest time ever in Death Valley. | ||
| No, it's 134. | ||
| It hit 131 this year. | ||
| They said, Texas, hottest ever, longest spell. | ||
| And then I went back and looked at the books because I remember playing football in like 1990. | ||
| They had to cancel two-a-days because it was 112 and people were dying all over the city of Dallas where I lived. | ||
| And it was also in Austin. | ||
| But I looked up the records. | ||
| They're just lying. | ||
| We talked about Alex's faulty memories about heat when he was a kid. | ||
| Already in the past, so I'm not going to get back into that, but he's just wrong. | ||
| I don't want to suddenly have to go back through the fucking poor Richard's almanac all over again. | ||
| The idea about the predictions of an ice age in the 70s, that's really interesting. | ||
| This is a talking point thrown out by climate change deniers meant to invalidate the points being made today. | ||
| They say it was going to be an ice age, but now it's all warming. | ||
| In reality, a paper published in 2008 in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society looked at the published science from the 70s and found that only 10% of the papers published back then were suggesting a cooling trend compared to 62% that predicted warming. | ||
| Folks like Alex and Vivek have created this image of a false consensus existing in the past because it helps them score points for their fraudulent argument. | ||
| It's all a facade and a lie. | ||
| But more to the point, you were having a... | ||
| You got swung. | ||
| He swung you. | ||
| I appreciate... | ||
| Here's what I appreciate about this argument. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, a few million years ago, you know, there's a lot more carbon and stuff going on. | ||
| And, you know, during the Cretaceous period, everything was so much carbon because all the stuff was... | ||
| And it's like, yes, man, you understand, other stuff was alive then. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| We would not be alive then. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is our conversation. | ||
| But think about how great the plants had it. | ||
| If that is the conversation you want to have, it's like, hey, listen, maybe we've had our run. | ||
| Let's ride it out and let something else run the earth for a long time. | ||
| I guess that is your argument. | ||
| But don't tell me that the science is wrong. | ||
| It is interesting that you have this... | ||
| You know, this presentation of, like, we can't make drastic changes to reduce carbon emissions because that's too drastic. | ||
| It's too drastic and it's a real severe change that we're going to need to make. | ||
| When he's saying, like, hey, we would be fine in the Cretaceous period. | ||
| The drastic changes we would need to be able to survive in that environment are... | ||
| Much larger than those that would be needed to, you know, focus more on renewable energy, phase out fossil fuels, and whatever. | ||
| Yeah, like, think about it this way, Alex, alright? | ||
| So, 200 million years ago, in this high-carbon time, right, your ostrich, 60 feet tall! | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a dinosaur, man, running around, eating everybody up, right? | ||
| Then the climate changes. | ||
| Dinosaur, now it's a fucking ostrich. | ||
| Do you see how this works, buddy? | ||
| Well, Alex wants to be taller. | ||
| Well, I guess that's the way to do it. | ||
| More cows, more carbon, that'll make you taller, I think. | ||
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| But I think when you have the argument that it's like, no, no, no, we need to burn more fossil fuels in order to geoengineer the planet in a way that God intended by leaving behind all of this oil and all of this stuff that has retreated under the surface. | ||
| When you have that argument, you can't really, there's no discussion. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Once your argument is like, man, isn't God absolutely fucking insane? | ||
| This is no longer a science and policy conversation. | ||
| This is a fantasy world. | ||
| I worship Loki, who introduces chaos into every system, and so in order for me to continue, I think we have to increase the amount of carbon. | ||
| Well, that's an interesting point. | ||
| I'd like you to stay away from any levers of power. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Shut up. | ||
| Ratatusker. | ||
| So, Vivek running for president. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But obviously there's a problem, and that is that Trump is running for president. | ||
| That is an issue. | ||
| Now, Alex discusses a circumstance wherein he might support Vivek. | ||
| I'm interested to hear. | ||
| It goes bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am really glad you are the most successful person on injecting these topics because I see you inject topics at the national level that would have never been there that are so vital. | ||
| Topics like, how do you pronounce Vivek? | ||
| I mean, I'd like him to get elected, but if not you, I think Kennedy is going to pull more from the Republicans if he runs independent, which he is. | ||
| So I like a lot of his ideas, but I think it's destructive. | ||
| Now, I'm not going to support Kennedy as a third-party candidate because that will pull from the Republicans. | ||
| So, again, I hope nothing happens to Trump, but if something does happen to him... | ||
| Oh, God forbid. | ||
| Yeah, we don't want that. | ||
| What? | ||
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What? | |
| What we want is to advance the interests of this country. | ||
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I hate you. | |
| So basically, Alex is like, if Trump gets killed, you're in, man. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's basically... | ||
| Hey, look, if something happens to Trump, like he dies or is murdered, then... | ||
| I got you back then. | ||
| Listen, how about this? | ||
| If you and I were the last people on Earth... | ||
| I would vote for me, but if something happened to me, I would vote for you, I promise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool, man. | ||
| I guarantee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Me as a white nationalist, I'm going to get into that booth, I'm going to be by myself with nobody watching, and I'm going to think, Vivek sounds like a name that's good for me. | ||
| Now, the argument of not supporting RFK Jr. because he pulls support from the GOP... | ||
| Tip of the spear. | ||
| But that shouldn't be what Alex... | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| That shouldn't be the way that he orients his politics at all. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| That is pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Partisan hackery on his part. | ||
| It's completely counter to his brand. | ||
| Everything that he's ever said is demolished by the, like, hey, listen, we need to pick the lesser of two evils and tow the party line, even though we don't necessarily like everything, and it's not perfect. | ||
| Now, okay, sure, maybe DeSantis will be the candidate, and I don't really like him all that much anymore because he's fallen out of grace with the extreme right wing. | ||
| But, you know, he's going to be the GOP candidate. | ||
| I can't support RFK Jr. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because he's going to pull votes away from the GOP, and I really actually just want the GOP to stay in power. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Cool, man. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You had a good run. | ||
| Just say that. | ||
| So anyway, here's where they sign off. | ||
| Very pleasant. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm glad we met, man. | ||
| We met... | ||
| Literally one or two minutes we chatted before we just, this is the first conversation we've ever had. | ||
| Well, I'm impressed. | ||
| I mean, you're showing up here like 6.45 in the morning, we're taping this, and I hear you're off the border? | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to the border, and then I'm going to New Hampshire. | ||
| I mean, we're all over the place, but I'm around the clock. | ||
| Well, you're a busy man. | ||
| They're pulling me out of here, actually. | ||
| All right, well, thank you. | ||
| We're going to Eagle Pass from here. | ||
| I'm an internet. | ||
| I hope you'll read it. | ||
| I hope you'll come on my show soon and tell me what you thought. | ||
| I'm a big fan of your work. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| God bless you, man. | ||
| Be safe. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Notice there wasn't a yeah, I'll come on your show. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Also, don't go to band.video and search your name. | ||
| You're going to find Rumpa Swampy videos and shit. | ||
| Well, I mean, maybe... | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| They do still tag his real name in there, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it'd be more fun if he searched his name and he could not find anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it was all Rumpa Swampy. | ||
| No, I mean, beyond that, there is also just videos. | ||
| There are a couple people who seem to have pretty positive views of him. | ||
| Jason Burmus, certainly he seems to be pretty Vivek positive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Dumb attracts dumb. | ||
| But then you also get it, if you click on any of those videos, you'll see the comments, and the comments aren't good. | ||
| People don't, band video users don't seem to have such a hot view of Vivek. | ||
| It is, it is always, and it is always, and it is never surprising whenever anybody non-white male in that space is like, Man, I sure get abused a lot. | ||
| You're like... | ||
| Boy, I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| Go to it and good luck. | ||
| It has a lot of the same vibe of Owen being like, I can't believe that they're hanging me out to dry just because I'm going to jail for two months. | ||
| What did you expect? | ||
| What are... | ||
| Have you not... | ||
| I know you're supposed to be... | ||
| You're telling me to pay attention? | ||
| Have you not looked around you? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| So this interview I found to be largely... | ||
| Interesting, just based on the dynamic of it, I think that there is no real truth gotten to. | ||
| I think that based on everything I know about Vivek, if he did look into Alex, I think he'd still like him. | ||
| I think that they have very similar ideas about things like climate change, LGBTQ bashing. | ||
| There's a lot of those issues that they have common ground on. | ||
| What extent Vivek would want to be associated with Alex talking about literal demons and all that stuff, that's an open question. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I think that if he actually watched Alex's show and wanted to ask him questions about, like, what the fuck is this about your prophetic visions and stuff like that, that would be the interesting interview I'd like to see. | ||
| Because I do think they agree on a lot of policy stuff, but the clownery... | ||
| I'm not sure that Vivek would want to. | ||
| I think he wants to be taken seriously. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And that's funny because he interviewed Papa John. | ||
| I also agree with that too. | ||
| Anyway, just a disaster of a poorly thought out, poorly conceived, poorly executed interview. | ||
| Yeah, man, just do your homework. | ||
| If you're going to do a homework show, do your homework. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| You can't do this interview if you've done your homework. | ||
| You can't justify doing it if you look into things. | ||
| You have to have the plausible deniability of I did no preparation for this in order to talk to Alex. | ||
| If you prepare at all, you have to have a confrontational interview with him. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| So that's the other part of the game. | ||
| Which is not an interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex probably wouldn't show up for it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it would either be... | ||
| And run away. | ||
| It would turn into him with Andrew Neal on the BBC. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be no point. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| Maybe we'll talk about Fuentes, maybe not. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| Until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I never think about what the bit I should do is going to be until exactly when I say DZXClark. | ||
| And that's a problem. | ||
| Because I got nothing. | ||
| I mean, especially in a show where we criticize people for preparation. | ||
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This is a minor kind of preparation thing. | |
| Structurally, I don't think that this condemns. | ||
| Any of our work, necessarily. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Actually, this is part of the bit now. | ||
| It's unfortunately part of the bit. | ||
| It does seem so. | ||
| There's a meta bit that's going on as we're talking. | ||
| It still happens. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| We've got to end it. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Woo! | |
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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