Knowledge Fight #837 dissects Alex Jones’ March 11, 2004, claims—like the Masonic temple shooting (March 10) and KKK initiation "conspiracy"—while exposing his reliance on misrepresented police statements and fabricated connections. Jones’ occult theories, such as the 911-day gap between 9/11 and Madrid, and globalist numerology are mocked for lacking evidence, mirroring QAnon’s fringe symbolism. His Coast to Coast AM appearances under George Noory, despite extremist ties, highlight how mainstream platforms amplify conspiracy rhetoric without scrutiny, normalizing dangerous narratives for late-night audiences. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, I'm making up for lost time a little bit because you'd been telling me that you were watching these newer seasons and all this, and I was like, bah humbug.
No, I used to watch this show and I no longer have the taste for it.
And I think if the show was exactly the same or like if it was the same in some of the ways that I had a problem with the old one being, I think I would bah humbug this still.
Yeah, I mean, I think the last time I was over at your house, the living room was set up where the couch and the tables had been turned into a giant bed in the middle of the room.
But the bean bag, we tried to put it in the same place as other stuff, and we'd had it there for about a year or so, but it doesn't make any sense there.
It's a terrible place for it.
So I just finally moved it all to the right spot, and it feels great.
Although, if I'm, I mean, my rhymes are not the greatest, but I'm going to go with, I don't think we in America want to rhyme with Berkeley Hunt all too often.
But we're also going to talk a little bit about March 10th, 2004, because there's a little bit of something that's happening that was really bothering me.
Okay.
And this is during this time, there was a shooting at a Masonic temple.
I was spurred to expand on this on the website because it's so important.
This is out of New York Daily News.
It's also out of the Associated Press.
I have a total of four different articles on this.
New York Daily News: a secretive initiation ceremony in the basement of a Long Island Masonic Lodge went tragically wrong when a member mistakenly pulled out a loaded weapon and fatally shot an inductee in the face.
Police said Tuesday.
And William James, 47 of Medford, New York, was pronounced dead at the scene of Monday night's shooting inside the Southside Masonic Lodge, said Suffolk County Detective Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick.
First thing we need to do is find out if Jack Fitzpatrick is a cop.
I can't imagine the secretive organization that has control of the world is trying to scare people with poking sticks into cans to make it look like they're shooting guns.
They just blew this guy's head off just by accident.
He just so happened to have the two guns in there, and he just didn't know, and he just pulled one out and shot the guy in the head.
And just so happens, we're finding these articles going back at other Masonic and Klan meetings.
Just magically, somebody dies.
And it just so happens that Hiram Abif was killed by his fellow Masons, and they normally do do the simulated murders, but sometimes people seem to die.
The police always say it's just an accident, and somebody gets a few months in jail or has to pay a fine, but the sacrifice does take place.
We're not saying that happened here.
No, no, no.
We're sure the police officers investigating right.
The accidental killing is not actually an accident, according to Alex.
It was a pre-planned murder carried out as a ritual, and the police investigating the crime are complicit with the Masons, you know, Fitzpatrick.
And then the legal system is giving a slap on the wrist to the guy who carried out the ritual because someone has to pay a small price as also kind of a performance, and the ritual had to be carried out.
Alex's explanation for this is over-complicated compared to believing that a 76-year-old dude with two guns in his pocket could get them mixed up.
Alex knows that his version of the story is a stretch, which is why he buttresses it with these alleged cases of other Masonic initiation murders, which he provides no examples of, and also why he plays the, oh no, I'm sure it's an accident game there at the end.
It's ludicrous.
He knows what he's saying is fucking stupid.
And if the audience actually clearly looked at what he's saying, they'd be like, that's a bit much.
I can't stop thinking about that this Masonic Temple.
I want to not believe this is true, but I do think it's possible that the leader was just going to his higher-ups and was like, oh, we've got this idea for a prank we're just going to add to the initiation thing.
And he's like, listen, I understand why you think that's fun, but I just don't think it's a good idea.
There was a Hiram that's mentioned as one of the builders of Solomon's Temple, but he's become like a legendary Masonic character in terms of like Hiram Abif, the personage itself, is probably not what the historically referenced Hiram is.
Explosions in Madrid, burst open train cars, scattering bodies, killing more than 170 people and wounding more than 600 at the height of the rush hour commute, according to witnesses and interior minister Angel Acebees.
Am I pronouncing that right?
A series of explosions for passenger trains in the Madrid area today.
The blast, which came just days before the Spanish general elections, were so powerful, the train cars were burst open and bodies of passengers blown out into the roads.
And don't worry, they'll catch a few patsies and torture the Living Daylights of them.
Truth has been caught blowing stuff up again, and now they're admitting that there's not even a real election in Russia.
Same thing goes on in Spain, England, the U.S., over and over again.
They blow stuff up right before elections, and you vote for whoever's in power to save you.
So the Madrid train bombings were not a false flag.
And in fact, were they carried out by local terrorist groups, a group in Spain?
They likely had involvement with Al-Qaeda.
One of the things that's almost really, really, really hard to definitively prove, but there's a strong belief that they had involvement with Al-Qaeda.
The precise motive for the attack is not fully known, and it may actually have been slightly different for different members of the cell itself.
Interestingly, in the aftermath of the bombing, conspiracy theories began to emerge about who was responsible for the attack, and the leading group in that was the right-wing People's Party, or PP.
Prior to the election, they'd been in the majority of the Cortes Generales, and in the immediate days after the bombings, they would point the finger strongly at the ETA, a Basque nationalist terrorist group.
The ETA was a far-left organization, in addition to being Basque separatists, so they were a prime target for the PP, but there was no evidence of their involvement in the bombing.
Many believed that the existing government didn't want to accept the possibility of an Islamic terrorist organization being responsible because it would call into question the choice to send troops to the war in Iraq.
The prime minister at the time of the bombings, Jose Maria Aznar, was in power for that decision and was a member of the PP.
In the end, the center-left party, the PSOE, gained seats while the PP lost seats, making the PSOE the largest power in the Congress and shifting the presidency.
Look at the polling data does show that in the weeks leading toward the election, the PP was looking like the presumptive favorites.
But after the attack, public opinion shifted sharply toward the PSOE.
This was a really big upset, and the timing of the change of opinion is notable, with many analysts declaring the election result a punishment for the PP, both for the unpopular decision to get involved in Iraq, for their response to the bombing, and the campaign of misinformation about blaming the ETA-Basque separatists.
So this is a fascinating situation where Alex has a conclusion decided immediately after an event happens, which in this case is that the bombings were a false flag to terrorize the public and sway the election.
In the end, the bombings weren't a false flag, but public reactions to it definitely did sway the election.
So in essence, the effect is what you'd expect to see if Alex were right.
You know, there is a giant effect on the voting.
In logic, if you were to take what Alex, like the consequence existing as being proof of the if statement, that is what's known as affirming the consequent.
In the formal structure, you'd see this as like, if A, then B, B, therefore A.
This feels like it works oftentimes when you don't pay attention to it, but it doesn't.
Take a real world example of this to see what I mean.
Like, here's one: if I drank a bottle of vodka, I'm drunk.
I'm drunk.
Therefore, I drank a bottle of vodka.
It doesn't work.
But when you're not paying attention to the relationship between ideas, it can be very easy to let something like this slip by and not realize that there's a hundred different reasons why B could have happened.
Well, I mean, for me, I think the lesson that we should have and cannot maybe ever learn because it's in the government's best interest for us never to do so after 9-11 is that terrorist acts are a consequence, not the inciting event.
It is in the government's best interest to say they hate our freedoms.
It is not in their best interest to say, well, this is a large tapestry of back and forth that has been going on since the fucking Crusades or whatever you want to talk about, you know?
Yeah, one article I was reading actually said that the Crusades might have been partially a potential motivating factor for one of the people who was part of the terrorist cell.
And I would say also, one thing I want to just make a fine point of in that clip, Alex is saying that they always do this before the election to mess with the election results.
I mean, he might as well, if a refrigerator fell through the ceiling and it was this guy's fault for shooting up into the ceiling and the refrigerator fell down and landed on this guy, it would be functionally the exact same level of tragic accident for the exact same purpose.
A bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and struck a participant in the head, critically injuring him, authorities said.
By the way, it didn't strike one of the idiots standing around in the satanic regalia.
It, of course, hit the initiate, the person being tortured.
It just magically in these cases hits them, but it's always an accident.
Gregory Allen Freeman, 45, was charged with aggravated assault and reckless endangerment in the incident that wounded Jeffrey Murr, 24, on Saturday night.
About 10 people, including two children, had gathered for the white supremacist group ceremony.
And it says the man who was being initiated was blindfolded, tied with a noose to a tree, and shot with paintball guns as Freeman fired a pistol into the air to provide the sound of real gunfire, Sheriff Ed Grable said.
So Alex hasn't read this story or he's willfully lying, which you can tell because he's screwing up a bunch of details in order to make it fit his narrative.
Also, I don't know if the Klan and the Masons are the same thing.
I know they are to Alex, but I don't accept that premise.
So yeah, there's a number of details Alex gets wrong here because if he didn't get them wrong and he reported this correctly, it would be a lot more difficult to fit this into the mold of the story he's telling about the Long Island thing.
When I was growing up, my best friend in elementary school, his dad was a Mason, and we went to the Masonic Temple a few times and played Magic the Gathering.
So I believe that the Masons invented Magic the Gathering or Magic, whichever you choose.
Listen, I heard you, I believe, yesterday, I forget whether it was you or perhaps a guest at some point, made a reference to an individual who had put out an article some time in the past referring to their desire to see the United States or their belief, I guess, that the United States standard of living had to be reduced down to the level of the rest of the world.
I'm creating my great firewall version of the internet.
I'm doing China's version of the internet.
And then, if I say something like this shit, where I'm like, uh, hundreds, thousands of articles, I would have somebody just like throw chunks of text, like what I kind of said, onto different articles all over.
So, you could Google something I said, and it'd be like a fucking men's health magazine article from 1974, and it'd still pop up, like, see, I told you this is what it's been.
It would be fairly easy for him to provide his primary sources that are behind so much of this.
And, you know, if he wants to commit to like, this is all really just about Gary Allen and W. Kleon Skausen and weird shit my grandpa told me, and then a bunch of science fiction books that I read, then we could assess it based on that.
You know, it's not fair to completely hide everything that you're basing your worldview on because you know you'd be laughed out of the room if you did.
Yeah, that's such the difference in customer service between people who need something from you and people who think they own a captive audience forever.
I just wanted to bring something to your attention.
I mean, you've gone over it numerous times about the direct link between numerology and our wonderful occult government.
I was talking with some gentlemen today, and apparently we figured out that it's been exactly 911 days between the World Trade Center bombings and today's attacks in Spain.
Oh, somebody ought to do the math on that and email it to me, or I should have.
And they are obsessed with numerology.
And for those that are doubting, and here's an example: numerology and iconology icons.
All the Starbucks coffees have all-seeing eyes dripping coffee into a cup, triple sixes everywhere, the goddess symbol with the two serpents coiled about.
And, I mean, again, it's the back of the dollar bill.
was so much islamophobia going on at the time how many people who were otherwise they were too busy Yeah, they were like, oh, I would love to be bigoted towards LGBTQ people today, but I'm just too Islamophobic because of the government and the media and stuff like that.
There's one fear, and it was like the it almost could feel like other bigotries you might have aren't as important because they're not as scary as you know Muslims are being made out to be at this period of time.
Well, I mean, you got to figure it just to look into this.
I'm going to be the world's pioneer on no, I mean, look into it and see if someone else is going to study.
Obviously, obviously, Dan.
Obviously.
No.
I grew up in a small town in the middle of fucking nowhere, and there were people who were legitimately like, What would we do in an actual, like, okay, somebody's going to terror attack our fucking town in the middle of nowhere?
You know, like that was a very real and present fear for these people.
I mean, I think I've told this on the show before, but on 9-11, I was in Columbia, Missouri in a high school class in a culinary arts class or whatever, and they had us duck under the counter.
You know, and here's the problem, I think, with studying the specific thing that you're talking about.
The only way you'd really be able to track it, I think, is finding people who were like aggressively Islamophobic and then seeing if they posted more broad hate afterwards.
Yeah, so Alex is beginning to go on coast to coast at this point.
I believe this one might actually even be his first appearance on Coast to Coast.
I'm not sure.
If it's not, it's his second, let's say.
Yeah, yeah.
And this is kind of something that I want to make a strong point of.
George Norrie is inviting Alex on, and through negligence or ill will, he is giving Alex a giant career boost.
Alex and him have both, you know, they've had conversations about how it was one of the things that really took Alex to the next level being on coast to coast.
I don't know if he's as bad as a lot of Alex's guests, but he sucks.
But I think he, as a radio show host, fell into all the same traps that everybody does.
Alex is just an interesting guy.
He has some interesting opinions.
The media thinks he's a crazy person.
So let's talk to him.
Then you don't listen to his show.
And in 2004, he's having Nazis on all the time.
He had Texe Marrs on just fairly recently.
He has Mel Gibson's Dad on.
There's real problems with Alex's show.
And when you're somebody who doesn't really pay attention and don't, whatever, I'm not going to listen to the shows of the people I book and provide a huge platform for.
When you don't do that, you're going to get duped by the everyone's against him because he has kooky ideas.
And that's so useful for Alex.
It's so fucking useful.
But this, at this point, should have been shut down.
Yep.
Or at least not gone on Coast to Coast and gotten probably, I don't know, a million new fans.
So the analogy for you would have to be, you've never gone to see this person perform and you book them on your show and then they do a fine stand-up set and you're promoting their show and on their show, it's nothing but Nazi shit.
Yeah, but I mean, Norrie had no idea, just no clue to the point where there was no need to have any conversation in advance of just like, hey, you know what you're supposed to not say, right?
I think that you'd have to watch a bit of Alex's show, and you'd have to read between some of the lines and look into the people he's talking to and what they mean by the things that they say in order to get the character of the message that Alex is putting out at this time.
So I don't believe that George Nori is capable of that given his schedule.