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Aug. 9, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
01:10:48
#836: The Crowder Announcement

Today, Dan and Jordan get together to discuss the breaking news that Alex Jones is going to try to relaunch a subscription service on Steven Crowder's new network full of losers.

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alex jones
07:57
d
dan friesen
34:33
j
jordan holmes
21:52
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gerald morgan
01:19
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steven crowder
01:20
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steve quayle
00:02
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unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
Quick question for you, sir.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot is...
I was going to say this episode because I was kind of excited about what it portends.
jordan holmes
Okay.
There's portent.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I want to say that something I'm going to say in this episode is my bright spot, but I don't want to reveal it yet.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
So you'll know it when it happens.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
Foreshadowing is your bright spot this week.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A vague tease.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Very unsatisfying, but what's yours?
jordan holmes
I think it's going to be a similarly...
Unsatisfying?
Because it's not really a bright spot.
So there's a new show on Netflix, a Korean reality show.
dan friesen
Peaky Blinders.
Squid Game.
jordan holmes
All great reality shows now are from Korea.
And it's called Zombieverse.
And essentially what they've done is they've taken five people and I guess convinced them that they were going to be on a dating reality show.
And then also purchased an entire block of a city or whatever.
Filled it with extras who are playing as realistic zombies as they possibly can.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And they have not told these people this.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And so on.
dan friesen
This sounds like a damn squid game.
jordan holmes
It is!
So squid!
But it's like...
unidentified
So wait, wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
They know that...
Okay, they have to know that zombies aren't real.
They have to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They have to.
dan friesen
I would hope so.
They have to.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
Wait, so have you watched it?
jordan holmes
I've watched the first episode.
dan friesen
I feel like...
I feel like all the questions I want to ask you about it might be spoiling, but you've only seen the first episode.
jordan holmes
I know.
Well, it's troublesome.
dan friesen
It's tough because this premise does sound like something that if you're going to watch it, you're going to want to watch it.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
Well, have you seen Jury Duty?
dan friesen
The Pauly Shore movie?
jordan holmes
No, although that's fine.
No, you haven't seen the jury...
dan friesen
Oh, that show where...
jordan holmes
The show where the guy is on jury duty.
dan friesen
I didn't know that was the name of it.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So, yeah.
So, that show, they put this guy into a situation that is...
dan friesen
Like a completely fictitious reality.
jordan holmes
Completely fictitious reality.
Convince him of something that is true.
And only by virtue of him being, like, a good dude does it not make you really morally problematic about it.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But it doesn't involve zombies.
jordan holmes
Right.
This...
Is kind of fucked up to the point where even if they know it's not real, there is very clearly shit that you are going to take with you for the rest.
Like, there is trauma that's going to happen here.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it is kind of fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you sign a waiver.
jordan holmes
No, I understand that.
dan friesen
This is basically an elevated prank.
jordan holmes
It is, but it is!
I mean, it's almost like an escape room that they've expanded to an escape reality.
unidentified
I guess.
jordan holmes
What if you had to escape an entire city?
What if Chicago was your escape room for a week or whatever, you know?
dan friesen
I mean, I'll just walk.
jordan holmes
But everybody's zombies, and there are real looking at zombies.
Zombies are real.
Yeah, but what if they act so fucking real, and you see people getting- They can't fucking touch me.
I'm telling you, they totally can.
unidentified
Well, fine.
dan friesen
If they touch me, I'll punch one.
jordan holmes
And then you'll become- I don't even know how to- I'm not going to become a zombie.
unidentified
You're real.
jordan holmes
You will.
No, I won't.
I think- But that's where I think the problem is.
I think they get these people.
One, one, okay.
First off, you and I, obviously, we're never going to be at a place where we're like, zombies are real.
dan friesen
And if I punch a zombie, I'm fine.
They have to bite me.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
You're going to be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But if you're the type of person who signs up for a dating reality show, I do think that you are more likely to become susceptible to this point where you go, wait, are zombies real?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I hope not, but maybe.
But here's the thing.
That jury duty show that you're describing, the buy-in for that is much lower.
Because jury duty exists.
People are weird, which I assume is most of the tension in the show.
steven crowder
People do weird stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people do weird stuff and you're like, is this real life?
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can have surreal moments and people are chaotic and unpredictable.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Whatever.
If a dragon walked into the courtroom...
Much bigger sell.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Much bigger buy-in.
jordan holmes
A lot harder.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so, like, yes, if I were on this show, I would be scared of someone attacking me.
Yeah.
Because I would think, oh, they didn't clear the set.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not because I think this guy's a zombie.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be what scares me, not the premise of the show.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing that I think gets, here's what I think does it, all right, is that normally you'd be like, okay.
Fine.
And you're in one arena, and then you leave, and you're like, okay, now we're outside of the reality TV show place.
But then they literally go outside of town to a gas station, and there are still zombies there.
They're traveling across a legitimate distance to the point where you're going like, again, I know they know zombies aren't real, but I also know that some of them are really going like...
They can't possibly afford to hire several thousand people for this dumb show, right?
And they can!
dan friesen
Yeah, that's where you gotta just say, yes, they can.
jordan holmes
They can!
You have to be like, wow, these people spent several million dollars hiring a bunch of extras to attack me for a week.
dan friesen
Right, and especially if, like, oh, I'm going all this way to the gas station that the producers told me to go to.
jordan holmes
Totally!
dan friesen
As opposed to the gas station I choose to go to.
jordan holmes
Oh, and the guy who drives the car to get to the gas station?
Yeah, he dies.
Of course he does.
Then he leaves the car, he leaves the car, he's outside of the car!
dan friesen
I understand that, you know, there are reasons why one might come to the suspicion that maybe zombies are real.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Again, I agree with you.
What's interesting in this...
You know, like, with Jury Duty, the interesting thing is, oh, look at all these people behaving weirdly.
Will this guy eventually go, like, fuck off?
You know, like that kind of thing.
Whereas with this show, the tension is more like...
How much would it take?
How much would it take to really convince you that zombies are real?
dan friesen
Yeah.
See, did you ever see that show on MTV, Fear?
Where they'd have people go to abandoned mental hospitals and prisons.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And they had to record themselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And everyone would end up kind of thinking ghosts are real.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you can get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe they'll get to the point where it's just like...
Okay, we're in a zombie invasion.
But then you run a very serious risk of them killing an extra.
jordan holmes
Totally!
dan friesen
Because if you buy into the premise, you're gonna murder.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the thing about it, is that can you almost hypnotize somebody to that point?
Where it is, like, listen, I signed up for this reality show, I know I'm on a reality show, and now zombies are happening, so obviously zombies aren't real, this is part of the reality show.
But then how many steps, you know, it's a little bit like, imagine if you were somebody who was like, people keep telling me that I can see the future, and every prediction you make keeps coming true, even though you can't see the future.
Or anything like that.
It's just everybody makes it so that every prediction you make keeps coming true.
How many in a row before you go, maybe I can see the future?
dan friesen
I mean, I guess it would depend on how elaborate the wishes are.
jordan holmes
It'd have to get crazy, right?
dan friesen
The logistics of it.
Yeah, but here's the other thing I'm thinking about.
It's like the payoffs that you want from this show are impossible.
Like them killing extras thinking that they're zombies or something like that.
Or the other end of it is people just being like, zombies don't exist.
This is ridiculous.
And then there's no payoff to that.
It feels like the middle of the road is even kind of...
I don't feel like there's a satisfying way that this show plays out.
jordan holmes
Here's the payoff.
And I'll tell you what the payoff is because we've already seen it happen one time in the first episode.
And there'll probably be more different payoffs that I haven't imagined so far.
But the payoff is...
Who is the person who's going to hide that zombie bite?
dan friesen
Oh, so it's like a mole.
Who's the mole?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I mean, they're not doing that on purpose, but there is that element of like, okay, so all of these people now are suddenly believing that they're in this environment together.
dan friesen
But what if there's a valorous person who kills himself?
jordan holmes
There are valorous people.
Will they sacrifice themselves?
Exactly!
It's not okay!
It's not okay.
I don't think it's okay.
dan friesen
I think this is really bad, and I'm somebody who has frequently screamed about how I want one of the challenges on Survivor to be, give me an ounce of your blood.
Like, Jeff Probst just wants blood.
jordan holmes
Just give me blood.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's it.
I don't care how you get it out.
jordan holmes
I demand blood.
Philip, again, we get to barrels with lines on them.
dan friesen
But why not?
Why not?
jordan holmes
I see no reason.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anyways.
dan friesen
I feel like they could do that on the challenge, though.
I have been thinking about that.
One episode, they could just be like, bleed.
TJ Laffer just comes out and he's like, today, gotta bleed.
jordan holmes
I do think that TJ would laugh psychopathically if other people were just like, wait, you want me to bleed?
And he's like, yeah.
And they just grab knives and cut themselves and be like, and put his tongue out like a psycho?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
TJ's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The problem with the design of this, it would have to be...
Because you get in trouble if it's quantity or time-based.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because if it's time, then you risk somebody being really reckless with how they get their blood out, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But if it's quantity-based, someone might try and go for a liter or something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's when you start wondering if people are going to, like, siphon gas.
Are they going to figure out the same shit with, like, a vein?
dan friesen
How?
jordan holmes
Somebody's got, like, a little tube, and they're like, okay, I got what you...
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, this is dark and grotesque and everything, but I feel like a lot of reality TV is so exploitative anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, it's...
Is it really that different?
I don't think it's defensible at all.
I don't think anybody should try and defend reality TV.
We should all just accept that that's part of who we are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Dark underbelly.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And, like I said, it will include something that is a bit of a bright spot.
But, I will explain everything on the other side of saying hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea!
dan friesen
So first, the last Brogan Squatch Cousin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Pasta and Toasty, the cats with the mosty.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, AP Christ.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that's advanced placement Christ, which I took in my senior year of high school.
jordan holmes
How fun would that be?
dan friesen
Next, my name's Michael, and I used an AI to prove that dividing by zero results in infinity.
Somebody better pay me soon!
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
And Aaron, you missed our anniversary.
It was yesterday.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
We got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much, too.
The New World Order is replacing fossil fuels with the Discworld's captive demon technology.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little bricky for me.
And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken off the air!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
He's not.
Never shall be.
So, it came to my attention, and some people have pointed this out, and I forgot to mention it because we didn't have a Wednesday episode after we had that interview with Mike Rothschild.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But that Demon Pride shirt is real, apparently.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Yes.
Okay, so here's the thing.
I did not know of the drama that surrounded that shirt, and it was originally created by an LGBTQ designer.
Sure.
It was co-opted by the right and what have you as an attack.
But I didn't realize it was Pride Month and then taking off the letters on the outside.
The end of month and the beginning of Pride.
jordan holmes
Demon.
dan friesen
Yeah, Demon is left.
unidentified
DE.
dan friesen
That makes more sense than what Alex was describing in my head as Pride Demon Month.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is what I...
Yeah.
It's a little different.
But I wanted to acknowledge it because people had pointed that out.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the thing.
We're at a disadvantage.
For the rest of the world, they can think, oh, there's this shirt that I saw.
You know, that kind of thing.
But if we hear demon on our show, we go, well, obviously he's talking about a specific literal demon that exists.
dan friesen
And I thought it was a Pride demon month.
jordan holmes
It was a specific demon month for the...
dan friesen
Yeah!
Also...
I think we're also at a disadvantage a little bit because we are not always up to date on the things that become social media conversations.
There's a lot of that we kind of don't see.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
I would rather find out after the fact what social media is mad about than during.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today we're covering something that happened this morning.
jordan holmes
This morning?
dan friesen
I...
jordan holmes
Wait, what day is today?
Tuesday?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I had an idea of doing a 2004 episode, but then I got the bat signal.
Went up.
Literally.
Over the skies of Chicago, I saw...
unidentified
Oh, Christopher Nolan's Chicago.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Gotcha.
But the bat signed, it's just Purple Penguin or something.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
None of this Ben Affleck shit.
Get the fuck out of here.
This is Christopher Nolan's bullshit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Big news.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Big news.
jordan holmes
What is it?
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
Stephen Crowder has decided that he's starting a network of shows on Rumble.
jordan holmes
Don't tell me that Stephen Crowder has hired Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Stephen Crowder has sort of hired Alex Jones.
Which we will get down to business on.
Like, this is really, there's a lot of really strange dynamics going on here.
But this morning, they had the big announcement.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The, what do they call it?
Re-platforming is starting now.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
Well, because everyone got de-platformed.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Shining light into the shadow band.
jordan holmes
They were de-platformed by their re-platform.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Oof.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's other better names.
So they had their big unveiling announcement ceremony, and we're going to start off with Gerald, who's the, I guess he's the guy, the business guy for Crowder's stuff, and co-host.
jordan holmes
See, here's what they should have gone with, right?
Obviously, because they're such machazinists, they should have gone with he platformed.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here's Gerald.
jordan holmes
Okay.
gerald morgan
Hello, Mug Club and all you strange animals out there.
unidentified
Woo!
gerald morgan
We've been hard at work.
With our friends at Rumble to bring you the first network controlled by creators.
And two of the biggest giants in this industry are joining forces under the same umbrella.
No more censorship.
No more big tech dependence.
No more one-sided contracts.
The time for an open, honest, and transparent network has arrived.
The time for a network controlled by the creators has arrived.
The time for a network that allows creators to focus on their audience has arrived.
If you're signing up for Mug Club today, use promo code REPLATFORMING for a free Fight Like Hell t-shirt.
dan friesen
I want to pause really quick because during Alex's talk, he says that if you use the promo code, you get a free month.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Steven Carter has to be like, we can't afford that.
You get a shirt.
So I don't know how good the finances are doing over there.
gerald morgan
We didn't look for the extra work of trying to start a network.
We wanted to do a show.
We wanted to make people laugh.
We wanted to educate and entertain them and try to help save our country.
But so many of you weren't being served.
It was all about scam advertising, dishonest tactics, censorship, playing ball with people that don't share your values, and we couldn't stand idly by while that happened.
They want to cancel every one of you and every one of us.
But because of you, because of Mug Club, they can't touch us.
Let the replatforming begin.
Democrats are afraid of this guy.
The liberal media can't stand him.
unidentified
And Big Tech wants to cancel him, but you have made him uncancelable.
Don't.
Welcome the strange animal himself, Stephen Crowder!
Stay in general.
dan friesen
Weird theme music that he has.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
Horrible.
That is awful.
dan friesen
Yeah, but also, I like the way that your head was, like, tilting back and, like, because you thought those descriptions probably are how anyone would introduce Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Because all of these people have the same brand.
jordan holmes
They have the exact same brand.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
They're the same person.
dan friesen
It's pretty weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, that...
We're too...
It's too late now.
It's too late.
We're already past...
You listen to him say all of that shit?
It's time for a network that doesn't do the things that you said that the last network didn't do.
dan friesen
It's a little maudlin in a kind of adolescent way.
There's a little bit of idealism to it that I know is not sincere.
jordan holmes
It should be more just like, we got you coming, now we want to get you going.
It's like, we'll get you no matter where you are, we're going to find you.
Steal your money.
dan friesen
We needed to do something, because shit is bad.
That's probably less of a good sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It could be worse.
dan friesen
So this is called the replatforming, but that doesn't make any sense.
None of these people were kicked off Rumble, which is where it all is, and it's not like they're announcing their mug club network is going to carry out a hostile takeover of spaces on other platforms.
This isn't replatforming at all.
It's a consolidation of losers whose audiences are dwindling to the point where they need to band together to have any chance of survival.
I guarantee that anyone who had options Steven Crowder a couple years ago, maybe?
Yeah.
alex jones
Maybe.
dan friesen
Then you could at least tell yourself that he has a large audience and a fair amount of potential.
But after the past year, I wouldn't go near him.
He's had that ugly divorce announcement, his completely botched response to that that went really bad, and there's a video...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
He had the attempted publicity stunt with the Daily Wire contract that blew up in his face and led to a really embarrassing feud with Candace Owens and Matt Walsh, essentially icing Crowder out of the elite tier.
jordan holmes
In his defense, that was a really terrible idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was.
Then a bunch of former staffers of his came out with stories of Stephen sending them unsolicited dick pics and generally creating a hostile and sexually harassing workplace.
And now, just this week, Jason Campbell from Media Matters did a breakdown of Crowder's rumble views over time, and it's really clear his ship is sinking.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Like, it is a ski slope in numbers.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
He's toxic, even to toxic people who still just want to make money.
Like, if you're a shithead who only is out for profit, Crowder is still not.
unidentified
What do you want?
jordan holmes
This is legitimately like a fucking opening scroll for a Star Wars movie that winds up with the Sith Lords meeting together.
Fucking Steven Crowder and Alex Jones.
This is terrible.
dan friesen
So, you got Steven.
Then you have the rest of the lineup.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's someone named Mr. Guns and Gear, who I have no idea is.
I've never heard of him, but I'm sure he's great.
I don't think this is a marquee name, but it's good to have a gun show for this audience, so I'll give it a pass.
jordan holmes
Wait, his name is Mr. Guns and Gear?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's all one word.
jordan holmes
Like, it's a reference to that...
Mr. Shout and Spell or whatever?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Mr. Game and Shout?
Something like that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So then you have Brian Callen, a fairly famous comedian who goes on Rogan's show every now and then, but used to be on a lot more regularly.
He's a guy who's probably not on the rise with a past of abuse allegations, who appears on Crowder's show in sketches already, so this isn't like a big get.
jordan holmes
Wait, it's not...
Is that Brian...
That's not the guy from Mad TV, right?
dan friesen
I don't know who's been on MADtv.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a weird lineup.
jordan holmes
Brian Cullen or Brian Callen?
dan friesen
Callen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I think I could be wrong then.
dan friesen
I mostly am aware of him because maybe he was on Last Comic Standing, and then he also was on Rogan a bit.
I gave him some elevated stature.
Then you have Nick DiPaolo, a comedian who peaked on Dr. Katz in 1996.
Honestly, he sucks.
And here is the clip of his stand-up from the big...
Promotional video for the network.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Listen to this.
jordan holmes
Don't make me hear Nick DiPaolo.
I remember him being funny.
dan friesen
It's only 18 seconds.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So this is how they're trying to sell him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Give up for Nick DiPaolo!
Holy s***.
jordan holmes
You know, most serial killers are white, but you know why?
To be a serial killer takes a lot of effort.
It's like a full-time job.
unidentified
Black crime is just quick and f***ing simple.
jordan holmes
You know that show, The First 48?
They have a new one, The First 48 Seconds.
dan friesen
It's just black crimes.
Yeah.
That's what they chose.
He has a lot of material.
unidentified
That's his sting material.
jordan holmes
That's his teaser bit.
dan friesen
Black criminals are too lazy.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean...
dan friesen
It's a little blunt.
jordan holmes
You know, the problem with Deaf Comedy Jam is it wasn't focused on white points of view.
I think that was the main issue there.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
I'm also like, I think that Nick DiPaolo is already part of the Mug Club since his picture was on the subscription website back when I was considering making a dummy account, so this isn't a new addition either.
Same for the next guy, Jim Brewer, who again peaked in the 90s.
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha ha ha.
dan friesen
Goat boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He found a new stand-up comedy audience of anti-vax octogenarians, so I guess Crowder's got that demo covered with Jim.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Then there's the Hodge twins.
They're a pair of twin black dude conservative commentators, and I guess they're also comedians or humorists, sort of.
They make humorous videos.
I think they have a decent-sized audience, but I also think they were way hotter a couple years back.
I used to hear about them a bit more.
jordan holmes
Wait, they're the Hodge twins?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they never once considered calling themselves Hodge Podge.
dan friesen
I mean, you'd have to ask them.
It might have been one that they moved past.
jordan holmes
I feel like I need to ask them this question now.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, that might have been a name that they rejected on the...
jordan holmes
And it's reasonable to reject that name.
I just need to know that it was brought up.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
I only really know them from the times that they've been on with Alex, and I don't really find them interesting at all.
But if there's somebody close to marketable on the network, it's them.
Since they're young and they haven't completely torpedoed their career for no reason yet, like Crowder.
This lineup is trash.
And then you have the headliner, Alex Jones.
I find it really difficult to imagine that any of these individual acts help each other by being associated with each other.
Someone drawn in by Alex probably isn't going to be too interested in watching Brian Callen or even the Hodge twins.
This network is really in no one's best interest other than Steven and Alex.
Steven can profit off the audiences that these other creators bring in and help draw them into Steven's revenue stream.
And Alex can hopefully finally have some place to launder his money in peace.
So the two of them can get what they need out of this at the expense of...
Jim Brewer.
But then again, who the fuck is going to put out Jim Brewer's special other than maybe distributed on this platform?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
Whatever happened to...
unidentified
Wasn't there a...
jordan holmes
See, that's exactly, that's the problem.
dan friesen
And that's what this will be in a year.
jordan holmes
CISO.
CISO is who's going to put it out.
That's what I'm trying to find.
That's where I'm trying to go.
dan friesen
Jim Brewer's going to put it out on Quibi?
jordan holmes
If you CISO, Quibi, yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many more have we seen come and go?
dan friesen
There have been a few.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But also, this is going to be, I mean, this isn't going to be any, this is not going to work.
jordan holmes
No.
To work for whom?
To what?
dan friesen
Well, I could see it slightly working for Steven in as much as it could help juice falling stats.
And maybe create a little bit of buzz around him, but it's gonna be a diminishing return.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's gonna dwindle.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's not...
Quality content on here, and none of these people are good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is clearly looking for somewhere to launder money, so he's going to get what he needs, because this is outside the InfoWars umbrella, and so whatever.
This isn't in bankruptcy, baby.
jordan holmes
No!
Completely different.
dan friesen
Now, he is still personally, but that's another matter.
jordan holmes
So, when you are making a lineup, here's always been my philosophy, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If you're making a lineup that is essentially, who can I get?
Alright?
dan friesen
That's what you end up with.
jordan holmes
Try and disguise it at least a little bit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
This is not disguised.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
This is a, who was available at this exact moment that I needed, who I could get.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's like a bringer show.
jordan holmes
100% a bringer show.
dan friesen
You know, for those of you who do not do stand-up, a bringer show would be, essentially, you're booked on a show with the understanding that you can bring five audience members.
jordan holmes
You're the one who's going to be bringing people.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
You're not going to be drawing people.
You are going to be bringing your friends.
dan friesen
Because those five people that you bring haven't seen the other acts on the lineup.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Ideally, it's supposed to be, we will all create an audience together.
Yeah.
It's always a disaster.
jordan holmes
It's more just in a way to exploit new comedians whose friends haven't gotten tired of going and seeing them yet.
dan friesen
Right.
And that is essentially, I guess, what this is.
But, you know, you have the notion of, like, it's creator-owned and creator-controlled, and it's like, that's Steven.
jordan holmes
Is the creator.
dan friesen
It's created and controlled in as much as that.
I want to see those contracts then.
It's not like all of these people get like, they don't have a co-op.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
If you're going to say that bullshit, I want the notes on your contract too.
Because I think you're lying.
dan friesen
Yeah, Crowder screamed about the Daily Wire contract for quite a while.
Maybe you should put his out.
jordan holmes
I bet everybody who worked with Comedy Bang Bang was like, oh, this is totally going to be creator-owned.
Oh, boy.
unidentified
You're a strange contract!
dan friesen
So anyway, Crowder comes up on the stage, and he has this to say.
Actually, I'm skipping quite a bit, because this was a long...
Nick DiPaolo comes up and gives a speech.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, no.
No need for it.
dan friesen
But Crowder comes back up because he's going to introduce Alex.
And here's one of his thoughts.
steven crowder
We'll be releasing more information regarding some of the developments.
But this is one that we're all pretty excited about.
And again, if it was just business, it wouldn't make sense.
unidentified
What?
steven crowder
This is a man who was removed from the platforms of Apple, Spotify, Google, Facebook, Meta, X, whatever the hell it is.
dan friesen
We have cover.
We have a conceivable cover.
gerald morgan
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
Anyway.
You know, this whole joke here, if it was just for business, it would make no sense.
It's because Alex lost a billion dollars, and he's in bankruptcy, and so is his business.
But actually, if you look at this, the only way it makes sense at all is as a business decision.
Alex and Steven are both narcissistic, abusive dicks who are impossible to work with.
They treat the people around them like shit because they think they're the big alpha of their environment.
They are not the kind of personalities that mesh well, and eventually that's going to be an issue.
It's all sunshine and roses when you get to bask in the attention of making a big announcement that you think is going to terrify big tech, but it's entirely another thing when you get named in the next lawsuit Alex gets you into.
Alex is his own boss at InfoWars, so no one can tell him And that could easily lead to a lawsuit.
Alex can't be controlled and he cannot control himself.
And you've now made that partially your problem, which is just a terrible move.
jordan holmes
I just don't even know what to do when I see that happen.
Like, yeah, you know that whole let them fight thing that people like to do whenever shitty people fight each other and you're like, ah, blah, blah, blah.
This is worse than that.
You guys both would be better served starting a rivalry or fighting each other by a wide margin.
As opposed to trying to team up, you are only going to kill each other.
dan friesen
It's disgusting!
jordan holmes
It's too stupid for me!
dan friesen
It is, but I think that they're that stupid.
They are that stupid!
And I think it's partially based on that sort of faux idealism that Gerald was presenting at the beginning.
I think that that is something that they think that they can sell to an audience.
And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be too surprised if they sat back and thought about whether or not they could do a kayfabe fight, a little fake fight between themselves.
I think that was what Crowder was trying to do with The Daily Wire.
It blew up in his face.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think if you have another cooperative party, it could go better.
jordan holmes
That's the part of it.
dan friesen
And Alex could do that, maybe.
jordan holmes
You need a cooperative party, as opposed to springing it on an actual business.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Usually a bad idea.
dan friesen
And Alex probably wouldn't be able to cooperate with that.
Maybe conceivably, and like, conceptually he could, but I don't know if he could carry it off.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, that's why it's almost...
That's why it's almost even more effective to do it with Alex, is because as long as Alex knows he's supposed to be kind of doing this, his fuck-ups can then be turned into part of the mythology, you know?
Like, yeah, you're not supposed to be doing that.
That's what you're not supposed to do!
You know, like, it's that simple.
dan friesen
And it seems like, you know, if they, I mean, I have to imagine they have a contract, and if they do...
I think Alex will void it pretty easily.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can't.
I could not believe that they would put anything in writing.
dan friesen
They have to.
I mean, it's a big company.
jordan holmes
I know, but you can't possibly think it's a good idea to put something in writing with Alex involved.
dan friesen
Especially while he's personally in bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
Whose lawyer?
Did you talk to Norm?
Did you talk to Norm?
dan friesen
Gerald.
Gerald's the lawyer also.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, no!
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just assume he does everything.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, it's media star Bobby Barnes all over again.
dan friesen
Him and Crowder's dad are the team behind Crowder.
So this, I think, is just a terrible move, like attaching yourself to Alex, and it would probably only be made by someone who's feeling pretty desperate, and they really need attention and possibly new viewers.
Crowder's numbers are dropping, and without Alex, this list of losers doesn't even merit an announcement or the existence of a network.
He may be a total liar and one of the worst people I've ever seen, but Alex has an audience, and it's one that probably isn't in the mug club already.
They're fresh eyes that you have a chance with, which is something that's literally not possible with any of the other names in the right-wing media space.
Crowder's burned all the other bridges, and Alex is the best he can do, so this makes complete sense as a business decision.
It's a terrible move, but it's probably better than the other ones that are available, like continuing to dwindle in size until Gerald decides to quit and find another gig.
That's the alternative.
jordan holmes
I just don't like us being right about this.
I don't like us seeing this coming way far in advance.
dan friesen
But I don't actually think that that was that much of a prediction.
It's just most people weren't paying attention.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
It's not like, oh, look at how smart we are.
I don't like that this was so fucking stupidly obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah, when Alex was going to Crowder's place for like a week.
jordan holmes
Yeah, everybody...
dan friesen
And all of that started to escalate in frequency and regularity after Alex was told that he can't do his shit on InfoWars because of the bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
It is absurd.
It's just absurd.
Listen, I mean, it is to the point now where I get it.
If you are on Alex's team, it is in your best interest to not know all that shit about Alex.
But you should listen to our show if you're thinking about partnering with him.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're now making it at least close to your problem or potentially your problem, and that's really fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
You're stupid.
Stupid and stupid and stupid.
dan friesen
But again, I think it's better than the alternative, which is, like, Steven Crowder, what else can he do?
Like, he can be offensive into the void on Rumble, but, like, no one really gives a shit.
His audience is dwindling.
Right.
I don't know what...
It's just irrelevancy, essentially.
jordan holmes
Let me throw this out at you.
How many people are on The Crowder Show?
Four?
dan friesen
You mean as a cast?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like when they're doing the recording, they've got the desk.
dan friesen
I don't know, because the co-host left.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One of them.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then you got Gerald.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think you have someone at a soundboard, maybe?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think it's that much.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't think that there's a crew.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Then I'm going to go with...
Dead presidents.
They need to rob banks.
Perfect.
dan friesen
What if that was the announcement?
jordan holmes
We've decided to switch into a kind of band of thrill seekers.
And yeah, you know, like if you see a bank get robbed, don't tell nobody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I, Steven Crowder, am the second story man.
Alex's face.
He does the distraction work.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Gerald Russell's horses.
Steals horses for us to get out of town.
jordan holmes
Who's the wild card?
Who's the wild card?
Nick DiPaolo.
That's who's the wild card.
Just wandering around with a shotgun for no reason.
dan friesen
Nick DiPaolo's the safe cracker.
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
See, the white safes are like that.
dan friesen
This sucks.
I'm excited to see how bad it can get.
Or if the bankruptcy court steps in and says, Alex, you're clearly just trying to do the exact same thing you were doing before.
You're trying to divert money around.
You can't do this.
jordan holmes
It is like if the bankruptcy court doesn't step in, that's clearly just them being like, well, I guess there's no way to stop him now.
He's just going to keep doing it.
So I hope their impotent dickless nature is there, then fuck off.
dan friesen
If that's the case, look for Alex to transition more and more to this as a place where everything is.
jordan holmes
Until they can't not ignore it.
He's unable to like, oh, I can get away with this.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll see.
So here Crowder introduces Alex.
steven crowder
These people at these big tech platforms, they tell you that they'll never come for you.
That you can keep your tens of millions in revenue or millions that you make from their platforms.
And really all that means is that if you're lucky, really lucky, they'll kill you last.
Well, they tried to kill this next man first.
And if he's honest, he'll tell you they almost did.
They did a lot of damage.
But if there's one thing you can say about this man, love him or hate him, is that he will fight for this country with every last breath in his body, and he just won't die.
So it's with as much pride that I can convey, and as much surprise, by the way, as you, in landing this white whale, the number one draft pick, without a doubt, out there, that for the first time he will launch his subscription network exclusively under the Mug Club umbrella, starting with his new Friday show.
On August 18th, ladies and gentlemen...
unidentified
I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin' frogs gay!
dan friesen
So yeah, they stole the Undertaker's bell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, like him or hate him, I hate him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't think I can say that he...
We'll never stop fighting for the country.
unidentified
I think he's stopped fighting for the country so many times in the past.
jordan holmes
I think he's abandoned us.
I think he said that we all should die.
I think he said that we all deserve death.
dan friesen
He's quit, stormed off his show a hundred times.
jordan holmes
He believes that if it weren't for the globalists being on the side of devil, he'd say they were right, etc.
dan friesen
If they were just like King George or whatever.
jordan holmes
He's pro-Hitler.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And wants to colonize the moon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I think he's...
I think he's abandoned the human race.
dan friesen
I think he's a little bit outside of it.
Also, I don't like you using the Undertaker's gong.
jordan holmes
I think it's kind of disrespectful to somebody who accomplished something.
dan friesen
I guess that might be a play on the, like, he just won't die.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it has to be a play on that.
dan friesen
I guess.
If so, subtle.
I mean, I don't mean that sarcastically even.
I think that a lot of people wouldn't hear that as The Undertaker's entrance music.
jordan holmes
I can respect that.
I think they're playing to their audience, though, if that makes sense.
I assume their audience.
dan friesen
But they don't draw attention to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, here's Alex.
He comes in with theme music.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
steven crowder
Alex Jones, everybody.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Listen, I want to thank everybody tuning in.
I want to thank everybody tuning in right now, but I'm going to be deadly serious here.
I've not been this excited ever!
Yeah, Mud Club, baby!
unidentified
Wow!
jordan holmes
Ride the tiger!
unidentified
You can see his stripes, but you know he's clean!
jordan holmes
You've been to a Bulls game, right?
dan friesen
Um, no.
jordan holmes
You've never been to a Bulls game?
dan friesen
No.
My dad was a Lakers fan growing up.
alex jones
Fair.
dan friesen
And we lived in Missouri.
jordan holmes
Fair enough, fair enough.
I mean, you've been in Chicago for a long enough time that I assumed that you would probably have liked it.
dan friesen
But most of the people who I've ever known who go to games are Cubs people.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
And so, like, I've been to Wrigley a number of times.
Fair enough.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I guess, I think Nate Burroughs might have almost got me to a Bulls game once, but it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, I'll tell you this then.
The announcing of the players, of the starting lineup of the Chicago Bulls.
unidentified
Your 1997 Chicago Bulls!
dan friesen
I've seen that on TV.
jordan holmes
You've seen it on TV.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
But when you're...
In person, it's so much more.
I'm sure.
It's a whole, it's a big deal.
dan friesen
You got that piano going.
jordan holmes
Oh, and sometimes when you hear it, it gets like when, like the height of the Derrick Rose area, you know, where it's like, you know, like people would go ape shit.
But there were some of those lineups where you'd hear that music and you'd go.
They do not deserve this kind of...
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, oh no.
jordan holmes
They should have like a, and now the starting lineup for your Chicago Bulls coming up to the, you know, like...
dan friesen
It's so iconic, though, from the 90s.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you can't...
dan friesen
Those games.
jordan holmes
No, that's the problem with when you associate that kind of thing with Michael Jordan.
You can't be like, and now, Zach Levine coming!
Oh my god, no.
Oh no, I get it.
He scores a bunch.
Fine.
No.
It's not gonna happen.
dan friesen
And that's what Holy Diver is here?
Basically, yes.
I'm actually fine with it, because Rainbow in the Dark is a better Dio song.
And so Alex chose the lesser of the Dio songs.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
But also, because I was like, I think Holy Diver might be about Satan.
I went and I looked into it, and it's not really about Satan.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But then I ended up watching the video, and I don't know.
If you guys want a little bit of a funny time, go watch that Dio video.
Because first of all, I'd forgotten how funny Ronnie James Dio looks.
jordan holmes
Hilarious.
dan friesen
And then it's like medieval themed, and he's walking through a castle with a big broadsword.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And I don't even know how to describe it, but the way he walks down this hall with this sword made me laugh so hard.
So anyway, Alex, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, um...
Alex is really excited.
I'm just going to give you a spoiler.
He's very clearly on coke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
He is very speedy.
jordan holmes
He could come up with the idea for a Dio video right about that.
dan friesen
So here he goes.
He's talking about him and Steven's history.
alex jones
I've known Steven for more than 10 years.
Used to beg him to come on my show.
Always a really busy guy.
And he's been a popper forever.
But we kind of knew each other.
But as soon as I got deplatformed, he saw us a threat.
He said, I want you on immediately.
The day after, when everybody else was running away, including my friends, he was like, no, this is a danger to everybody.
I see what this is.
And then again, everybody else was shutting down during the lockdown.
I didn't.
He didn't.
And so it's that type of instinctive courage that I really respect.
We've become good friends the last three or four years since then.
I love coming up here.
I love the energy.
And let's be clear.
Infowars isn't going anywhere.
Our Austin operation.
My regular show that's on talk radio everywhere.
But we've been talking for years about some type of collaboration.
And he had to move from where he was to trailblaze and do this.
And what's incredible is it's succeeding.
dan friesen
Not really.
No.
There's a fair amount of money involved in the mug club stuff, but in terms of the public aspect of it, he's going to have...
Problems in the near future.
He cannot afford to give away free months.
That is probably about where it's at.
So, I think that this is a really interesting history, and the way that Alex describes it is fun, because in reality, Stephen would never go on Alex's show before, because Stephen was huge, and Alex was toxic.
And then, as Stephen's brand got a little bit more, you know...
To the side of mainstream conservatism, even.
And Alex got kicked off everything.
No one wanted to be around Alex, and that's a prime opportunity for you.
You can gain a lot of attention by being the only person who's willing to talk to Dahmer or whatever.
You can do that.
jordan holmes
It's a path, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Stephen realized that that was, hey.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is an opportunity for me.
I'll be the friend of the beast, as it were.
jordan holmes
What a surreal thing that they really can't even appreciate, can they?
They can't even sit down next to each other and be like, hey, what a weird life we've both led, right?
You know, it's gone one way and you've gone the other way.
They can't even do that.
They have to be dicks about it.
They even have to be dicks about that!
dan friesen
Yeah, they do.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, they're the worst people.
dan friesen
Indeed they are.
But not as bad as the enemies that Alex has.
jordan holmes
Which ones?
dan friesen
He's going to list a number of them here.
jordan holmes
Well, good.
alex jones
We don't just have the left and the globalist and big tech and the intelligence agencies.
We now know that we're censoring and controlling and suppressing election information and vaccine information and open border and human trafficking information, fentanyl info and Afghan withdrawal info.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
It's the big think tanks that Crowder alluded to earlier that are so-called conservative that have...
Billions of dollars over the last decade to buy and control the populist, nationalist, common-sense capitalist movement that this country was founded on that met at the apple of the world's eye.
And so we're not just challenging the left and Hollywood and big tech.
We're challenging Conservative Inc.
And that didn't make sense to some people that weren't.
You know, clued in or on the inside of what really goes on.
Six months ago, when Crowder was making a big deal about the other big conservative platforms that aren't conservative, they interface with YouTube and Facebook before Twitter was sold to Musk and literally sit around in smoky rooms laughing at the conservatives.
And I've been around it.
It's disgusting to people that have authenticity, like Steven Crowder and this incredible crew.
dan friesen
Wow.
I can't wait for them to go after the financial backing of all these conservative outlets.
They're not going to.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They're going to go after the media stuff.
They're going to try and start fights with the media figures.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're not going after the people who fund the conservative media.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They fund everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, but even if Alex doesn't get money from them, and Steven Crowder doesn't, if that is, in fact, even the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They still are very beholden to a conservative media space existing.
That needs to be there in order for their shit to work, too.
They're like those cleaner fish.
jordan holmes
Here's the thought that just occurred to me, and I hadn't considered it up until just now, but it doesn't matter what small group of conservative quotes get together.
They're all laughing at another group of conservatives.
You know, because they all think that everything they believe is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Well, maybe not.
Maybe not that.
They think that what the other person thinks is stupid.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's that phenomenon that you find of...
I mean, this even happens on the left, too, quite frankly.
It's like everyone isn't the real...
You're not the real...
jordan holmes
No true Scotsman.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, but yeah, it's that...
Not even that.
But just like, I understand the real conservatism.
Unlike these people.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And whoever's out of the room doesn't understand the real conservatism.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
It's so absurd that they're like, oh, well, we're the three of us together.
We disagree on just about everything.
But when we're in the room together, we only talk about the stuff we agree on.
And then we talk shit about the people who, when we three leave, we'll go into a room with them and talk shit about the people they- We're in the room with right now because we don't actually share a belief system.
dan friesen
Probably not.
I mean, Nick DiPaolo has some really interesting ideas about economic policy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
No.
So it's interesting to see from that list that Alex has that the left and the globalists seem to be a separate group of folks that Alex is up against as opposed to the conservative folks that he doesn't like.
I think that could be a fun direction for him to go.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I think he'd need to come up with new names for teams and stuff, but it's doable.
Honestly, this is just the same blather that he's built his career on with the I'm above the left-right paradigm thing.
He hates the left because he's an extreme right-wing figure, and he hates the right because he's far to the right of them.
Anyone who can't see through that now doesn't have a chance.
And make no mistake, the battle against conservative Inc.
is a...
Profit-driven venture for Alex and Stephen.
Stephen used to work for The Blaze and only started hating the conservative institution because The Daily Wire wouldn't pay him the absurd amount of money that he thought he was worth.
Alex is an outsider, and it makes sense for him to attack anyone.
But joining this campaign against Conservative Inc.
is really the best option because the fans of folks like Matt Walsh are far more likely to fall off liking Matt Walsh and get lured over to Alex than fans of, like, our show or someone on the left.
Sure, sure, sure.
It's copying the strategy Nick Fuentes used when instead of attacking left-wing groups or yelling about Antifa, he targeted Charlie Kirk and Turning Point, forcing a showdown where they were able to attack Kirk from the right.
And it made it so the most likely outcomes of this confrontation were going to be swaying some of Kirk's fans to Fuentes' side, or Charlie Kirk being forced to move more to the right in order to keep up.
jordan holmes
Both of which occurred.
dan friesen
This is the strategy that is useful for people who are...
Outside bomb throwers, like Nick Fuentes, or what Alex and Stephen are describing this as what they want to be, to stick it to these conservatives.
I don't think this network is going to work out, and Alex's involvement in it will likely be very short-lived, since it's clearly an attempt to do the thing the bankruptcy court told him he couldn't do.
No, no, no, no!
Do what you gotta do while you gotta do it.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I mean, what was the last...
No, no, no.
Because I can't think of any other time in the past few years where Alex has done something that he's more excited about than he's ever been excited about.
dan friesen
Oh, well, I mean, there was Reset Wars.
jordan holmes
Well, I thought of Reset Wars, but Reset Wars lasted so long.
unidentified
Oh, well, the lead-up to it lasted a while.
dan friesen
I think he stopped talking about it a couple days after.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
He would randomly mention it in passing for a month or two.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean...
Boy, what do you want to bet?
Do we throw money down?
Do we lay bets?
What are we talking?
dan friesen
I mean, I'd forgotten about Reset Wars, honestly.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
To the point where I feel bad we didn't cover it.
jordan holmes
We wanted to.
unidentified
But what's the point?
jordan holmes
It was his fault!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not us!
dan friesen
No, it wasn't his project.
jordan holmes
It wasn't the most important thing he'd ever done!
dan friesen
No, and it's almost the same for his book, The Great Reset.
Like, one of the things that's made it difficult for me to, like...
Nailed down a coverage of it.
Alex didn't write this.
jordan holmes
No.
Of course not.
dan friesen
It's someone else's book.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
It's just Alex's name on it.
jordan holmes
He just put his name on it.
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
And definitely some ideas that are similar to things he would say.
jordan holmes
Maybe they did a couple of sit-down interviews.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Fine.
dan friesen
But Alex never wrote most of this.
jordan holmes
He did not open a Google Doc and fucking, oh, here are Alex's edits for today.
No.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
But Alex is so excited.
jordan holmes
So excited.
dan friesen
So fucking excited.
jordan holmes
I give it three weeks.
dan friesen
Three weeks?
jordan holmes
Three weeks.
Because, one, I'm giving it for he's going to try with Steven Crowder longer than he probably should.
dan friesen
Well, I think the only question for me is the bankruptcy court and someone having an injunction or something like that.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Because Alex is in personal bankruptcy and Infowars is in bankruptcy.
So that, to me, is what makes it a bit more difficult.
Yeah.
I think if the law gets involved, then I would say less than three weeks.
jordan holmes
Less than three weeks, for sure.
dan friesen
If not, I could see it go in a few months.
jordan holmes
Okay, then here's what we're doing.
We're putting the over under at three weeks.
Okay, I'll take the over.
I've written down 8-8.
You're taking the over?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I totally thought you were taking the under.
dan friesen
Well, I'm just going to roll the bones on whether or not the court acts, and I think that maybe they won't.
jordan holmes
Boy, you and I have switched a lot.
dan friesen
Well, I think that they should, and I hope they do, but I'm taking the risk.
I'm willing to take that risk.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
I mean, well, now I feel like...
dan friesen
Fine, I'll take the under.
You want the over, clearly.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I have to take the under now.
I'm almost excited to take the under.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You got three exciting weeks ahead of you.
jordan holmes
I'm excited to take the under for this one.
dan friesen
You're not going to be excited about this next clip.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
alex jones
All these people have turned down tens of millions of dollars, to tell the truth.
I mean, there's people out there like, Ted Nugent lost probably $100 million the last six, seven years of support in Trump.
It's been in the news.
Just no more stadiums, no more nothing.
It's over for him.
So there's not many people like that.
Probably should bring you Ted Nugent over here.
But what I'm saying down to is we need an independent network that isn't controlled.
And I'm sorry, Twitter is better than some of the other so-called conservative or open platforms, but it's still not even halfway free.
dan friesen
Yeah, bring in Nugent.
That's what this network needs.
Another old racist white dude with a deep history of abusing women.
It sounds like he'd fit right in.
jordan holmes
It really does feel like this is the place for him.
dan friesen
No one at this fucking company turned down tens of millions of dollars to tell the truth.
They're all losers who can't play the game they want to play.
Crowder didn't turn down the money to tell the truth.
He didn't get the amount he wanted, so he decided to cause a scene and hope it came out in his favor.
And it didn't.
Alex hasn't turned down shit that I know of, and no one is paying any of the other names on here $1 million, let alone tens.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And if you needed a totally free network...
Guess what?
It already exists, and it's called Band.Video, and Alex fucking owns it.
Alex doesn't need a free network that allows expression.
He needs a revenue stream he thinks will be safe from the bankruptcy.
Crowder doesn't need a free expression platform because he's already on Rumble, and if he was desperate, he could post on Band.Video.
He doesn't do that because he needs a monetized platform, not a free one.
They're playing games!
They just need money.
jordan holmes
Everybody is doing the exact thing for the opposite reason that they are telling you they are doing it for.
dan friesen
But it's so transparent!
jordan holmes
Yes!
To the point where it's almost like if they told the truth, I wouldn't believe them.
dan friesen
I almost feel bad for, like, Nick DiPaolo and Brian Callen and Mr. Guns and Gear getting caught in the middle of this.
jordan holmes
Nah, you chose what you chose.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
We've all been...
We've seen...
Too many of my friends have joined a network of some...
Sort or another only to see what happens.
dan friesen
I guess the problem or the thing that I feel bad about is like them thinking this will go well.
You're thinking that there is going to be an advantage to their individual project based on being part of this.
jordan holmes
You can't think.
I don't know.
What does Nick DiPaolo even think anymore?
I don't know what's going on inside that guy's room.
dan friesen
He does not think highly of black people.
jordan holmes
That's definitely true.
I bet he's not even allowed at the cellar or shit like that anymore, I bet.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I bet his whole fucking thing is falling apart and now he's just stuck with Crowder.
dan friesen
Yeah, and headlining Rogan's place.
Nobody mothership.
jordan holmes
Totally.
No censorship.
unidentified
Nick DiPaolo, live.
jordan holmes
You could have just tried to be slightly less of an asshole, and you'd have a Rogan-level career.
Rogan knows not to be like, hey, let's hate black people today.
At least he doesn't do that on stage.
dan friesen
Well, he used to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
He did use to do that.
dan friesen
And at least Andrew Dice Clay was playing a character.
Nick DiPaolo's not even a character.
jordan holmes
No, Nick DiPaolo is Nick DiPaolo.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has heard Crowder's plan, and...
Eh, we'll let you see what you think.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I know the plan that Crowder has, he's told me about it, he's told you a lot about it, is to literally bring on hundreds of providers, and I guess the long term, even thousands, and then use the great folks that really are free and open to energize this.
So people always say, hey, if you want your own internet, why don't you build it?
Or you want your own platform, build it.
Well, it's very hard to do, but he's been able to do it because of you, the Mug Club members, and that gives him that independence.
So you literally aren't just the tail of the dog.
You're the whole shoot match.
You're the whole dog, the teeth, the brain.
dan friesen
Slow down.
alex jones
The guts, the heart.
Take a breath.
The eyes and ears with the investigative unit and everything.
You are this operation.
And if you get excited about this, it's game over for the New World Order.
Listen, we came and found the...
dan friesen
Don't I sound excited?
alex jones
...get away from tyranny.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
alex jones
...but became the freest, greatest thing ever.
So it's that the Israelites left Egypt under Ramses II, and they've now dug up all the tablets in history.
And that's a true story.
Sorry, question from the crowd.
So, Stephen Crowder and the Moat Club and this whole operation is literally leading everybody out of Egypt and we don't have to wait.
dan friesen
Stephen Crowder is leading them out like the Israelites.
jordan holmes
Wow.
We have escalated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Slavery in Egypt, apparently equivalent to being shadow banned.
jordan holmes
So we went from the replatforming...
dan friesen
Not being able to yell the N-word at people on Twitter.
jordan holmes
A network of creator-owned stuff to...
Parting the Red Sea.
dan friesen
Yeah, I look forward to what Steven Crowder will metaphorically do that reaches that level.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's going to be interesting.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this idea of creating this place and then having a bunch of people have their own channels and stuff, it's an interesting plan.
It's actually exactly the same as Band.Video.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, it's very similar to that!
unidentified
It's literally the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's almost the exact same thing as Band.Video.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
Curious.
jordan holmes
I wonder if there are, oh, any kind of, like, overlapping.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Band.video is owned by bankruptcy stuff.
You know, so that's probably not going to work.
So anyway, Alex yells about Bud Light.
jordan holmes
Sure, go woke, go broke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Now, here's another key point.
If you look at the 40-plus billion that Anheuser-Busch has lost with the entire debacle, that's a great example of us saying, we're going to withdraw support of people targeting children and sexualization and this whole transhumanist movement.
That's what it is.
I mean, you all know Harari at the WEF says, oh, this is just the beginning.
If you'll accept two men having a baby, you'll accept cyborgs, all the rest of it.
Clones, animal-human hybrids, which is probably open now.
But instead of just boycotts, what about boycotts?
And that's what this is, folks.
You get all these great shows, all these great memberships, all these great things, and know that you're part of history, bucking the system, American Revolution, 1776, Worldwide 2.0.
So the boycotts are great.
Pull your money out of the globalist system, but then spend it with the institutions and organizations that are standing at freedom.
dan friesen
So I just have to imagine that, like, ten minutes before this announcement shit started, they're back doing a line.
unidentified
Alex pulls his head up.
dan friesen
Bicot.
jordan holmes
I know.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That's the only thing I can think of.
That's the only thing I can think of is like all of this exists purely for him to be like, I thought of Bicot.
I don't know if anybody is available.
Everybody laughed at that other shit about how it wasn't a business decision.
I thought of bycott!
Bycott!
dan friesen
It's not fair, the reaction the audience is giving, but that's because Alex isn't really giving them time to respond because he's just constantly talking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is the problem.
dan friesen
You won't take a breath or a break at all.
But I actually thought that was pretty good.
jordan holmes
Bycott is not bad.
I want to be more of a dick to bycott, because it is the type of shit that is...
dan friesen
It's scammy.
It's scammy for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's that kind of...
It's cute.
It's monorail.
It's monorail-ass, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's just that you and I are always going to have at least a tiny soft spot for wordplay.
jordan holmes
Especially whenever I can't help but deny that it is above adequate.
dan friesen
I also don't think it's original.
I'm sure it's a term that has been used a lot in other places.
jordan holmes
Definitely.
dan friesen
Weirdly, I don't think I've heard it.
jordan holmes
I haven't heard anybody use it.
I definitely haven't heard anybody use it colloquially.
If I've read it, but...
If you read boycott versus boycott, it doesn't give you the auditory nature of it.
dan friesen
It's new enough to my brain that I thought, well done.
Well done, sir.
That blow is helping.
jordan holmes
Tip of the cap to you, blow.
dan friesen
So they've been planning this for a while, and I say, not as long as you're pretending.
alex jones
That's what this is all about.
So we've been talking for six months about doing this, and I said, "Well, I'm going to keep Infowars going, the great crew we do." And I said, "What's your idea?" And I had my idea already written down.
They said, "A once a week show, build off that, then start building some other shows.
And with the funding we get from this, we'll be able to hire back more reporters, do more investigative stuff on the ground at the border, and at Bilderberg, and at Davos, and the RNC, and DNC.
So this is a match made in heaven.
Everybody needs to tell your friends, your family.
Are you paid by the word?
You don't like what's happening?
Well, this is the group.
We're not up here saying, you know, we're Superman.
We're not up here saying we have all the answers.
But you know what?
It's not bragging when it's fact.
People need to recognize that this operation, what Steven Crowder and his crew are doing, is the best, open, freest, biggest thing there is in the world in opposition to the New World Order.
And hey, you tune into my show, you're going to get...
You're going to get hardcore analysis and over-the-horizon information on what the globalists are planning next, because that's all I do is study it.
It's hardcore.
Don't slit your wrist after you watch it.
But the good thing is you can then tune in to the incredible, amazing, you know, better-than-the-nighttime comedy shows, live delivery of these guys, and they make it fun.
And that's why I like the energy here.
dan friesen
It's good energy.
So, yeah, that's my bright spot, is maybe this is how we get the painting show.
jordan holmes
Yep, this might be how we get the painting show.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then I'm going to have to get a...
And then I also was thinking about it, like, I have this aversion to covering things that are behind a paywall, and granted, I don't respect Steven Crowder, and Alex has already said you can use anything I make copyright-free, but I feel like if it's under the mug club, that is a little bit different.
So what I was thinking, I don't know how we'd do this, because if the painting show ends up existing, it's going to be an experience.
Oh yeah, no.
jordan holmes
We're doing an entire spin-off show.
dan friesen
But I don't know how you could convey it, other than visually.
So I don't know what we would do with that.
But, if you had some other show that I wanted to cover that was on this...
I would write transcripts, and we could recreate it.
jordan holmes
That wouldn't be bad.
dan friesen
Because that's fair use.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me pitch you this.
Let me pitch you this on the painting show, all right?
We do very similar to this, but we've got a three-frame kind of situation going on, right?
So we got me in a frame, you in a frame, and then we got the painting show in the center of the frame, and then we do our show around it.
dan friesen
I think we can come up with something.
We're putting the cart before the horse here, because we don't even know if that's going to exist.
jordan holmes
But we need the painting show!
dan friesen
We do.
jordan holmes
We need it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
This has not been being planned for six months.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
This has been planned since a little bit after Alex heard from the bankruptcy court that he couldn't do his subscription shit on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That is what happened.
jordan holmes
100%.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean...
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Good luck.
So Alex wraps up here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I honestly feel like this is embarrassing, and if I were him...
jordan holmes
Everything so far has been incredibly embarrassing, but okay.
dan friesen
Yes, but even more so this dismount.
alex jones
Make it fun, and that's why I like the energy here.
It's quite frankly, Infowars, great crew, great people.
dan friesen
Real bummer.
alex jones
You are in a bunker.
We've been doing it 20-something years, and it's crazy.
So it's a breath of fresh air to just add this family to what's happening, to be part of this organization, and to have the Infowars crew now becoming part of this organization.
dan friesen
Let me just translate this.
I have driven my own company into bankruptcy and I abuse my employees so much and create a hostile work environment that it sucks to go into work and everyone's miserable there, but now we put a fresh coat of paint on things and now all of our problems have gone away.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a breath of fresh air.
jordan holmes
It really might as well be like...
dan friesen
It's a breath of fresh air to escape the problems that I've created.
jordan holmes
It genuinely might as well be like, you know, when I go into a work at a bankrupt company with a billion and a half dollar judgment over my head...
dan friesen
I am the sole talent of...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It doesn't feel good.
But out here, I'm not that.
dan friesen
And people clap for me.
jordan holmes
Yes, people even...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Pretty sweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I'm just blessed and honored.
It's incredible.
And at 11 a.m., just coming up in about an hour from now, I'll do my live show out of the classic Steven Crowder Studios.
We're going to have these guys in here with us.
It's so exciting.
So 11 a.m. Central, Infowars.com, forward slash show, and band out video.
But I want...
Everybody watching, that means on InfoWars everywhere, to be part of this revolutionary act.
You want resistance?
You want somebody to stand up?
You want somebody to fight?
Go now to the Mug Club.
Go now, ladies and gentlemen, and use the promo codes that are there to get a month off.
Do it now.
Go to Mug Club.
Take action, because the globalists want war.
They want to destroy us.
Well, guess what?
We didn't start this fight.
We don't want it.
But if you want to fight, you better believe you've got one!
dan friesen
That, uh, his catchphrase was so shoehorned in there.
And you could tell there was a music cue.
You know, like, when I do the, when you gotta fight, you got one.
That's when you hit it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That was very sad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was the, that was like a former star.
Opening a dealership with that.
Like, you know, like, oh, that's my catchphrase and then the music goes off and then the little small fireworks and then I get my paycheck and I go back to my hotel.
dan friesen
I got a deal for you that's dynamite.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a road hack gig if I've ever heard one.
unidentified
So, I think...
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I oversold this at the beginning as it being a huge announcement.
But I guess it is a big announcement in as much as what they're trying to present it as.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's just another stage in the ongoing saga of Alex trying to find places he can hide money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think here's what's interesting about this, alright?
I don't think there are any more big announcements, you know, like the way we would describe big announcements.
Right.
That's not going to happen anymore.
What are going to happen are announcements whose potential for going wrong is so great that they all could be big announcements, really.
dan friesen
Yeah, and announcements that are like...
Deceptive, coded moves.
unidentified
I'm announcing that I am doing something that I am not announcing to you right now.
dan friesen
I'm announcing that I have a scheme.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
I am announcing a thing that is not happening in order to hide the thing that I am trying to do.
dan friesen
And I have to think, I mean, whether he understands it or not, Crowder's in way over his head.
The dangers and possible ramifications of being side-responsible to Alex's actions.
jordan holmes
Foolish.
dan friesen
Just damn foolish.
jordan holmes
You know, it would worry me.
But thankfully, clearly, Steven Crowder does not have a history of allowing his ego to get outsized beyond what his talent really kind of can cash.
dan friesen
Thank God for that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It'll be his saving grace.
jordan holmes
It will be humility is what's going to keep Steven Crowder going.
dan friesen
Among his many wonderful qualities, that might be the largest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we'll be back for another episode, but...
Keep an eye on this space.
unidentified
Keep an eye on the Painting Crowder show space.
dan friesen
Could happen.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Might happen.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But until we're back, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
unidentified
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
dan friesen
Do you know what I'm doing there?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Steven Crowder's theme song.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
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And now.
steve quayle
Here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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