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#834: August 2, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex decided to cover Trump's newest indictment.  Plus, Owen Shroyer shows off some awful vintage racism.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
14:52
d
dan friesen
31:00
j
jordan holmes
18:52
Appearances
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o
owen shroyer
00:44
p
pastor david manning
00:02
r
roseanne barr
00:26
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steve quayle
00:03
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is we just walked down to my mailroom and gathered this bright spot.
But what it is is a little nine inch by nine inch.
Diorama, I guess you could say, of the final scene in Donkey Kong Country 2, the best Donkey Kong Country game.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
I will hear no slander in any other direction.
jordan holmes
Brooke, no argument.
dan friesen
I got this from eBay from an outlet called Retro Game Crafts.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it's just the shot of, you know, you got Donkey Kong there with his arm around Diddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Dixie sitting on his shoulders.
jordan holmes
Sitting on his shoulders.
dan friesen
Looking off into the sunset.
jordan holmes
Middle distance.
dan friesen
Told King K. Rool to get to...
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here, K. Rool.
dan friesen
A very big moment in my childhood.
The beating of Donkey Kong Country 2 for the first time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Reclaiming it as something to put on my wall.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that was a play, but I do think that the beating of Donkey Kong was pretty good.
I recall that being...
Was that Oscar Wilde?
Was that him?
dan friesen
But it was about Jumpman.
It was about the original Donkey Kong where you're going up the ladders and you have a hammer and barrels and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, I don't care for that Donkey Kong.
Hashtag not my Donkey Kong.
jordan holmes
Not your Donkey Kong.
dan friesen
No way.
But Donkey Kong Country 2, so good.
So good.
I remember as a kid, me and my brother would play Donkey Kong Country together.
Our parents allowed us to play half an hour each, or if we played together, we could play for an hour.
jordan holmes
That's fairness.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Right, and so we played a two-player game, played Donkey Kong Country.
When that came out, Diddy was the more agile of them, and the more fun to play.
So I got stuck with Donkey Kong.
jordan holmes
Oh, brutal!
dan friesen
And then 2 comes out, and Dixie's way more fun, because she can...
float with her propeller ponytail.
And now I get to play Deadly.
jordan holmes
That is the way of the older brother, right?
That's just how it's always been.
dan friesen
And then three came out when we were past this point in our lives, and no one would want to play as Baby Kong.
Dixie is still great there, but Baby Kong, big zero.
jordan holmes
I ask you, and I'm confused as to why I don't know this, is there lore connecting the Donkey Kong who throws barrels with the Donkey Kong who is ostensibly our good guy defeating King K. Rool?
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
I believe, if I understand the lore correctly...
Cranky Kong in Donkey Kong Country is that Donkey Kong, and he's Donkey Kong's grandfather.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Donkey Kong's dad, we don't really know where he's at, necessarily.
jordan holmes
So Donkey Kong has a deadbeat dad.
And a grandfather...
dan friesen
Or maybe he was murdered in the Kremlin War or something like that.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Or Dole Banana killed him off.
Some shit.
jordan holmes
So Donkey was raised by his violent grandfather.
dan friesen
No, he's not violent.
He's just cranky.
I guess he does hit him with his cane sometimes.
But it's not that violent.
It's more like you kids.
And then his grandma is Wrinkly Kong.
She dies after, I think, the third one.
Maybe.
Then she appears as a ghost throughout the games.
jordan holmes
These writers just refrigerate every woman they can find.
unidentified
I'm telling you, this is terrible.
dan friesen
You had to extend it all the way to Wrinkly Kong?
jordan holmes
That's what I gotta do.
unidentified
Not fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Let her live in peace!
dan friesen
Well, you got Tiny Kong and Dixie.
Neither of them are dead.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
So there you go.
jordan holmes
Have they beaten the Bechdel test, though?
Now, that's the next question.
dan friesen
Candy Kong.
No, because she's the only woman in the first one, I think.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But she doesn't talk about dudes all the time.
She talks about save barrels.
So that might pass the Bechdel test.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, fair.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is I have now gone officially a full week without vaping.
dan friesen
Whoa!
jordan holmes
Done!
Quit!
Stopped it.
I have not vaped.
dan friesen
Good for you.
jordan holmes
Once for a week.
dan friesen
Spectacular.
jordan holmes
It's good.
I've gone full Telly Zavallis.
I've got the dum-dum suckers.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, it's terrible.
dan friesen
You're gesturing with them?
jordan holmes
Oh, I want to...
See, the problem is I don't want to vape at all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to have something to fuck with in my hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
At all times.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
And it's so annoying to constantly be trying to find the right thing to fuck with in my hand all the time.
dan friesen
That's obviously a dum-dum.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's not, but it's getting closer.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
You're going to have a stick of Laffy Taffy.
jordan holmes
I'm so close to being like, you know, fuck it.
You're getting old enough.
It's time to start smoking a pipe.
I'm so close.
dan friesen
I think that's going backwards, though.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Unless you just have bubbles in it, which would actually be, I think, pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Ah, that would be fun.
dan friesen
I mean, what says I don't care what you think more than walking around with a Sherlock Holmes pipe that everyone thinks has tobacco in it, but it's just bubbles?
jordan holmes
With my last name being Holmes.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would be, oh, and I'd wear the hat.
dan friesen
That's a lot of confidence.
jordan holmes
That is a lot of confidence.
dan friesen
You're married.
You're not trying to impress anybody.
jordan holmes
I stopped trying to impress people way before I got married.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
We'll see about the bubbles.
What other things are joke pipe smokable?
Is it just bubbles?
dan friesen
That's the only thing that comes to mind immediately.
jordan holmes
We gotta start finding more things to smoke.
dan friesen
I think if you're in a cartoon, you could have gum.
You could blow a gum bubble through one.
But I don't think that works in real life.
jordan holmes
I don't think that works in real life, no.
I think we could maybe have a membrane that you can...
Am I inventing a new form of pipe that's more annoying?
dan friesen
And probably more carcinogenic.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
It'd have to be.
dan friesen
I smoked a pipe as a younger man in high school.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because my friends started smoking cigarettes, and I wanted to hang out with them still, but I didn't want to smoke cigarettes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I knew...
Through one of my teachers, I knew the guy who ran the pipe shop in town.
He said he could give me a discount and didn't care that I was underage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so I got a cool pipe and some vanilla tobacco.
I don't know.
It wasn't great.
I don't recommend it.
jordan holmes
When I was in my first year of college, my best friend was going to U of I Champagne.
dan friesen
The Champagne of colleges.
jordan holmes
Something along those lines.
But you can't say that.
It's only if it's...
In the French region.
But no, he knew this guy who had the quintessential type of pipe shop.
You know, like, apothecary-ass smells, you walk in, no one's allowed, like, everybody looks at you like you're not supposed to be there.
dan friesen
That's the distinguishing hallmark of a good pipe shop, is if they're hostile towards customers.
jordan holmes
This is not a business, sir.
We have to call it a business so we can smoke inside.
dan friesen
This is a club.
jordan holmes
That is what we do.
dan friesen
Yeah, good times.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, I don't think you should do that, but congratulations on the not vaping.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
That's good.
jordan holmes
I'm working on it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about Wednesday, Wednesday the 2nd of August, and the reason we're doing that is because that is the day that Alex covers Trump being indicted again.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
I almost forgot he was indicted again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, and listening to Alex, you might get the sense that he does too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I think even he's bored of this shit.
You know, like...
There was a time when you could rely on Alex to, like, some news like this would happen, and he would get the spirit in him, and he would remind you why he's the doomsday preacher.
You know, he would scream about how this is a portent of immediate doom, and you need to buy nascent diodyne or else your family's gonna die.
You could rely on that, but now it's kind of, like, it's happened a bunch, and, you know, the world hasn't ended.
I think even Alex is kind of like, what am I?
What am I supposed to do here?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think...
It is perhaps the best evidence that we've never had a president quite like this before because even Alex is like, look, man, shit or get off the pot.
Either fucking convict him and then we can all have our fight or whatever or let him become president again.
I guess those are our only two options.
I'm just sick of waiting for you guys to decide.
dan friesen
And of course this will galvanize his support for Trump back.
Although he's still soft on Robert Kennedy Jr.
You're still into him.
And Owen comes around, and he's very much now back into Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I just listened to it, and I'm like, according to your lore, he's killed millions of people with a vaccine.
Like, it shouldn't be this easy.
jordan holmes
I mean, but it is.
dan friesen
You should be asking him to be indicted for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everybody should be like, listen.
This is a Capone scenario where we don't get him on the way we wanted to for having the vaccine, but we got him.
dan friesen
Right.
It's like we can have a disagreement about exactly why this should happen, but it should happen.
jordan holmes
I think we all agree that Trump is fucking murdering a shit ton of people.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, they do on the surface.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
dan friesen
It's not meaningful, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it should be.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this episode, hear Alex's weird response, and then Owen get into something very blah.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Yep.
But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, sexy Tina, train conductress.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Poncho and Lefty was written by Townes Van Zandt, and his version is better.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And you're wrong.
Next, shout out to my wife who looks at me like I lost my fucking mind when I tell her about Alex.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I can relate to that.
jordan holmes
I think that's actually just a class action lawsuit of a shout out.
dan friesen
Against us?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like everybody's.
dan friesen
Well, I can relate to that, especially because I just call him Alex.
I spent so much time with this bullshit that I'm like, oh, who's that, your friend?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
So next, I used to be named Dan, now I'm named Nora.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you, and we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Odie the Dog from Rhode Island.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
All right, now that we got Odie, I'm expecting a little bit of a donation from Nermal.
Maybe John Arbuckle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because we don't...
I mean, Garfield doesn't donate.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's just canon.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Garfield does not have the time.
dan friesen
He doesn't trade in fiat currency.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
What does Garfield pay for things with?
dan friesen
Coffee?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Lasagna?
jordan holmes
Naturally.
unidentified
Sass.
dan friesen
Those are the three currencies of Garfield.
jordan holmes
You know, take out lasagna.
I feel like that's not very different from me.
dan friesen
I'd like a donation from the lady who works in the vet clinic that goes out with John every now and again.
jordan holmes
Every now and again, yeah.
dan friesen
Begrudgingly goes on dates with John sometimes.
Can't think of any more characters.
So, today, here we are.
Trump has been indicted, and that means it's time to start the show with air raid sirens, and also talk about how you're starting the show with air raid sirens.
alex jones
I've been on the air 29 years, and I would only air air raid sirens maybe once a year when there was a really particularly big crisis going on.
Now you notice we start the show with it almost every day.
It's a good archetypal symbol of you're under attack.
This is very serious.
This is not a drill.
You're being bombarded.
And this is the radical globalist transformation of the world into the post-industrial state.
Now, I have read the indictment against Trump that came out yesterday afternoon.
And it's not about tooting our horn around here.
But last...
Tuesday, and it was even the show headline.
I've asked the crew to dig it up because I said it right at the start of the show.
It's not going to be hard to find.
I went on air and I said, from our courthouse sources, Trump will be indicted probably next Tuesday or Wednesday, and then he will turn himself in on Thursday.
That's now all transpired, and they're ordering the president there on Thursday.
And they're talking about clapping him in irons right there.
dan friesen
Put those irons on him.
So I don't know exactly what Alex's, like, the full scope of his predictions are, but I will give it to him that he has been yelling about Trump getting indicted again for a bit.
jordan holmes
Hasn't that been the...
Yeah.
unidentified
News?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For a bit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think it's not, like, that crazy of a prediction.
His, like, specifics about a timeline I'm not sure about, and he does play a clip that, like, his staff found, and it doesn't have any dates in it.
He's just yelling that Trump is going to get indicted.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then the clip ends, and he's like, and then I go on to say that it's on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I don't know about the specifics, but, yeah, sure.
I mean, there's a possibility that...
You know, he's read a news article and that counts as a source.
jordan holmes
I don't, I don't, no, no, no, no.
I don't think this counts as a prediction whatsoever because I'll throw this out at you.
If the entire world watched a man murder somebody and then everybody was like...
dan friesen
That dude's going to get arrested.
jordan holmes
Everybody's like, eh, we'll just let him get away with it.
And then eventually they're like, maybe we shouldn't let him get away with it.
You have to be like, yeah, we saw him murder the guy.
Everybody saw it.
So yes, he will be indicted for the crime we all saw him commit.
dan friesen
Yeah, the odds are very in your favor if this is the prediction you're making.
jordan holmes
He's the guy who murdered somebody that everybody watched!
dan friesen
I'm not saying that we need to give him some kind of round of applause for his prediction.
I'm more just saying, yeah, he was saying that.
He's not lying about his state of mind like he does about the Ukraine war and stuff like that.
So we got this news rundown here.
jordan holmes
I will throw one more thing out at you.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Even if you've only run your Air Raid Siren once a year for 29 years, even that, which he's done way more.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
That's still too many.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It's still too many.
dan friesen
Once a year, I don't think there's an event that requires an air raid siren.
jordan holmes
There's not enough of the world is ending.
dan friesen
No, because, I mean, you know, really, an air raid siren should be like...
jordan holmes
The Blitz!
dan friesen
Get underground or something.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly!
Yes, absolutely!
dan friesen
Yeah, it should be the biggest emergency ever, not...
Another day.
jordan holmes
Next year.
We'll see ya.
dan friesen
And I mean, quite frankly, Alex plays it almost every day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's excessive.
And again, it's just something that he stole from Bill Cooper.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
But in addition to Trump being indicted, we have some news other issues.
And one of them includes CNN has declared plants bad.
No plants.
alex jones
Now, interspersed with all this news, we'll go through the indictment that's incredible.
Next segment.
The indictments on all the charges that are all complete lies and fraud.
That you notice that stocks sink after historic U.S. credit rating downgrade.
That's the IMF and World Bank positioning us to again live like folks do in Nigeria and Venezuela.
Our journey into slavery.
I have CNN and Science Daily saying we must ban farms.
Farming itself is evil and plants are bad.
Zolensky, we have a video that says nothing is enough for Ukraine.
That's a quote.
Nothing is enough.
jordan holmes
We will rule the world.
alex jones
And everybody else is obsessing over Hunter Biden.
That's all a big tar baby.
He was always...
unidentified
Whoa!
What the fuck?
alex jones
Biden was going to be set up as the big distraction while they bring down the country and bring down the populist movement that Trump leads.
They'll give us a token at the end of Biden stepping down and Biden being...
his son being indicted.
And then they'll later have the charges drop like they did with Sam Bankman freed who carried out a Ponzi scheme bigger than Bernie Madoff.
That tells you how things have changed Sam Bankman-Fried Ripped over $30 billion off From investors but that was okay Because he was giving it to the Democratic Party And the CIA and Ukraine Almost none of this is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Like, almost all of these stories are total bullshit.
jordan holmes
That was a litany of things that I know are not true.
dan friesen
And you can tell, like, there is a slowness to his delivery that indicates to me, like, a lack of...
Verve.
There's no vim and vigor in him.
Other V words.
jordan holmes
I think, I mean, I get it.
I think we're all pretty sick of the American justice system at this point.
We're pretty fucking tired of it.
Everybody, it doesn't matter what team you're on because you're just looking at it going like, are you serious?
dan friesen
So now let's take this kernel of agreement.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And join together against the plants.
jordan holmes
I think it's time we gotta take them down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're coming after us, clearly.
dan friesen
They're cocky.
They can eat from the sun.
jordan holmes
The more carbon dioxide we put into the air, the more likely they are to grow intelligence.
dan friesen
Right, they know that.
jordan holmes
So we have to stop breathing.
Yes, we all know that.
dan friesen
Yes, if we stop breathing, that'll really stick it to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We need to go underwater where plants can't follow us.
dan friesen
Then, out of nowhere, you just hear a knock on the door.
What's up?
It's Algie.
How you doing?
jordan holmes
It's Algie!
All right.
dan friesen
So we know that the New World Order is operational.
It's active.
They haven't gone into turbo hyperwarp drive yet or whatever.
But we are in this.
And this clip comes along with a specific prediction, which I hope we're doing this show long enough to see if this comes through.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
Well, my friends, it's Wednesday, August 2nd, 2023.
alex jones
And I've been telling you for years that you would look back on the previous year as a cakewalk.
And then you would look at that next year and the next year as a walk in the park.
Because we're in the new world order now.
And it's kind of like when an alligator, when you're fishing in Florida.
Decides to grab one of your kids and you think it's bad when they got him by the leg and you see him drug into the water and disappear.
But then you see it start spinning and the blood and you try to get in and save your child.
By the time you get there, they're torn into pieces.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
We're at the stage now of the child disappearing under the water.
unidentified
And now they're going to spin, spin, spin.
alex jones
I'm a pretty tough guy.
And I knew this was coming for a long time, but I gotta tell you, I've been doing a lot of praying and getting right with Jesus.
Because there's gonna be full war with China and Russia.
I mean, they plan to get rid of 90% of the people in the next seven years, and they mean to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so 90% population reduction within seven years, so by 2030.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm gonna have to say this, alright?
That is going to have to take all seven years to pull off, right?
They're not going to be able to work it out so on the last day of the year, of year seven, boom, we nailed it down.
dan friesen
We know that the globalists are constantly running behind, though.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So it's just like them to procrastinate.
jordan holmes
Oh, to the very last moment.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
To the very last moment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, that metaphor also was upsetting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Strange.
That's the thought pattern of...
You know, you think it's bad when an alligator has your kid's foot.
jordan holmes
You do think it's bad.
unidentified
Because it is.
jordan holmes
It's very bad.
Well, you think that was bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it turns out that's actually good compared to what it could be doing.
dan friesen
But no, no, no, no.
See, they're part of the same thing.
jordan holmes
Well...
Well, no, because normally once an alligator grabs your kid's foot, it's like, hey, see, I told you this was bad, and then it leaves to teach you a lesson about, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a threat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a warning kind of thing from an alligator.
They nibble on a foot.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of your kid coming into my zone, right?
Now this is two.
That means he goes under.
The third time.
dan friesen
Spin.
jordan holmes
Spinning them around, chopping them into little bits.
It's a three strikes, you're out with alligators rule.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think the biting of the feet is required to get to the spinning.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They are.
dan friesen
It's all bad.
jordan holmes
They do seem to be related, at least.
dan friesen
So, plants, bad.
jordan holmes
Bad.
dan friesen
And Alex talks a little bit here about agriculture-related stories, and it's all bullshit.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And now we enter the phase where the big banks, though their endless money, are paying...
Farmers not to produce all over the world, and in many cases just banning them producing.
And they're paying fertilizer production facilities to stop production.
And John Kerry told us a month ago and again this week.
He said, we've got to close at least a third of the farms to save the earth.
Farms are bad.
We've got to cut food production.
At the same time, the U.N. says there's record starvation and mass death.
Give us more money.
dan friesen
Yeah, so John Kerry says no more farms.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The people who are subsidized to not grow stuff is part of a measure that's for the safety of pricing.
That's something that has been around forever.
The Biden administration has launched, we talked about this in a recent episode, they've launched fertilizer initiatives to make more American-produced fertilizer to stabilize that aspect of the economy.
So all of this is just sort of bullshit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I don't appreciate the, just like, everybody who does something I don't like today is all in on it together.
You know, like, I just...
dan friesen
That is the nature of it, isn't it?
jordan holmes
Can't these people just be unrelated to each other and being dicks about it?
Can't we all be individuals?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
As a globalist myself, I want to have some individuality.
dan friesen
In Gotham City, the Joker is sometimes working with Scarecrow.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But sometimes Scarecrow's off on a side project.
jordan holmes
Sometimes the Riddler and the Joker are actively working against each other.
dan friesen
Exactly, but both against Batman.
jordan holmes
Always against Batman, of course.
dan friesen
You've got to get the bat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is more interesting when you have this gallery of villains who aren't all on the same page.
jordan holmes
They should be working at cross-purposes sometimes.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a narrative problem with the sort of Illuminati structure as an idea.
You have to just pretend everybody's friends until they do something that demonstrates that maybe they're not working on the same project, and then you have to accommodate that within your narrative and say they're faking fighting or something.
It's exhausting.
jordan holmes
The problem is that, generally speaking, when it comes to these types of giant...
Evil, ruthless conspiracies.
What takes them down is infighting.
The only thing that keeps them from succeeding is the fact that they cannot work together in the uniform way that Alex would suggest that they can.
dan friesen
Right.
So, you, at the beginning of the episode, Alex said that he read the indictment and you scoffed.
And you said, no, you did not.
And you're right.
But he is going to cover it.
alex jones
Obviously, the big elephant in the room is the indictment of Trump, and this is the big one.
I told you repeatedly last week, the exclusive, it was even one of the daily show headlines, thought it was important enough.
I said Trump to be indicted next Tuesday to turn himself in on Thursday.
And that was directly from one of our people.
In the courthouse that heard them making their preparations for it.
And the reason this is so important is it outlaws questioning elections.
Something the State Department's done since the end of World War II, officially going around and raiding countries' elections.
And the number one thing they say that shows you have a free country in your elections is that you can question elections.
Go to the State Department's...
Whole section on integrity of elections worldwide, ensuring elections are good.
And they go all over the country, from Venezuela to South Africa to Iraq, to make sure that election's fair.
Boy, you know, there's a big history of election fraud all over the world in history.
But America's there to make sure it's good.
And the number one thing, ladies and gentlemen, is making...
Sure.
That you have a right to question it.
Boy, it's a tall order to read Obama's indictment of the true president and the wildly popular candidate.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
This, of course, is the greatest example of open election meddling scene in world history.
It's the most naked, most brazen, most out in the open.
But bigger than that, it's outlawing the questioning of elections.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
There's a whole section at the beginning of the indictment that explains that everybody has the right to question elections, and there is a...
Sharp distinction that's made between the acts of conspiracy that are charged in this indictment and the act of questioning or even pursuing questions that you have about the election through the courts, which it also notes Trump had tried to do all that and uniformly failed.
With those, and that's the reason you do the conspiracy shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's why you try and intimidate public officials.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What I don't understand is why we're going through this.
Because the question isn't whether it's legal or illegal.
The question is whether it's right or wrong.
You know, like, obviously, I don't think it should be very difficult to understand this, but obviously it is illegal for you to break into the Capitol building and then attempt to hang people.
That's illegal, right?
But you think it's right because those people are evil people.
Trump did all of this shit.
It's like getting mad at the Confederacy for leaving.
The point was, we don't believe in your laws, man!
Fuck your laws!
dan friesen
Sure.
On a level, I agree with you, but on a deeper level, I think it's the exact opposite.
The emotional argument is about whether it's right or wrong, and that's where Alex is kind of dwelling.
Except he's not, because he is making an appeal to it not being illegal.
Which is silly.
Sure.
I don't know.
I'm inclined towards believing that I think when you're trying to do the things that are in that indictment, I don't think there is a way to do that for good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So I don't know what, I'm not sure exactly what point you're making.
jordan holmes
No, the point I'm making is that this is a stupid conversation about, oh, the indictment, the specifics are obviously all illegal.
You're not going to convince people that he did illegal shit.
We all watched him do illegal shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In order to get his supporters to not care, they would have to believe that it is illegal and wrong, as opposed to, fuck your stupid laws, they're the reason that we have to do illegal shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess that poses an extra challenge to getting the argument through to people who are inclined to listen to Alex, perhaps.
jordan holmes
We wanted to overthrow your entire legal system.
Why would we give a shit if your legal system indicts us?
dan friesen
Sure, and...
You know, the people who are going to be still defensive of Trump, people like Alex and his crew, those people have a very strong vested interest in not believing that the conspiracies about the election were false.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely!
dan friesen
So, in the indictment, there's a litany of times when there's this...
They knew this was false.
And what have you.
And Alex would say, no, it's all true.
jordan holmes
It's all true.
dan friesen
Everything is absolutely true.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you're the illegal one.
dan friesen
It is an impossibility.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I agree with you there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That, like, finding any kind of...
Even tentative agreement surrounding this is just going to never happen.
And that's why I think Alex realizes he doesn't really even have to get into it at all.
Because what's the point?
jordan holmes
We're on his fourth indictment in the past year or whatever.
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
Do you think the audience is coming to him to hear what the counts are?
No, of course not.
They're here to get...
Kind of worked up.
jordan holmes
These people are attacking our guy!
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is why it's all the more glaring that he's not in his pulpit mode.
Because that's what he's supposed to be doing.
jordan holmes
That's what we're here for.
dan friesen
Yeah, if he's not doing that, he's not filling the space that he should exist in in the market and what people look for from him.
I think that's foolish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's just unfortunate that they can't divorce themselves.
It's the twin problem.
This is Trump's fault for being so shitty, right?
And it's their fault for not being able to recognize that it's Trump's fault.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
It's just such shit.
It's like a spiral that they can't avoid.
dan friesen
And not seeing this very obvious kind of state of affairs coming a mile away.
jordan holmes
I mean, we told you five years, six years ago.
dan friesen
Alex, you told yourself.
jordan holmes
You told yourself 20 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So anyway, Dems.
Those Dems.
jordan holmes
Oh, what about them?
dan friesen
They've questioned elections even harder than this before.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
You see the stack of articles right here?
This is exhibit one for Trump and the video clips we've got.
But I'm telling you, folks, he can't get real lawyers because any real lawyer that defends him, they'll indict them too, which is what they're doing.
They're indicting a bunch of his lawyers next that met with him and wargamed the election.
And all they were doing was copying the strategy of John Podesta in the New York Times right before the election, saying, we're going to get alternate electors.
We're going to say there's election fraud, and we're going to have our own inauguration, even if the Supreme Court says he wins.
That's way, I mean, that's like 50 times stronger than what Trump did.
I mean, it's right here in the New York Times.
He's saying, interviewing Podesta, and Podesta gave him the document, I've got the document, where the Democratic Party was officially going to no matter what, and I have Pelosi saying, no matter what, we won't concede on MSNBC.
And on Meet the Press.
I mean, I've got all these clips here in the stack today.
I could do the whole rest of the show.
unidentified
Do it.
alex jones
Maybe we should.
unidentified
Do it.
alex jones
We've got Roseanne Barr coming up and Roger Stonemore.
But I could do the whole show.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
And not even have time to talk.
Just playing you clips.
I've got a 25-minute compilation.
24 straight minutes of Democrats denying election results.
Going back over the last two decades.
Way stronger than Trump.
dan friesen
The only clip that he plays is Michael Moore saying that some electors, you know, they could change their own vote.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not having alternate electors, but having the unfaithful electors.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And, okay, great.
That's...
Michael Moore.
He doesn't speak for everybody.
Whatever, you know, it's ridiculous.
That Podesta thing is nonsense.
That was, just as a little reminder, that was some war games and tabletop exercises that were done by the Transition Integrity Project, which was bipartisan, included not just John Podesta, but also the former RNC chairman, Michael Steele.
Right.
William Crystal.
jordan holmes
Boy, you know, you gotta wonder whether or not these are people who would also have been chanting hang my fence.
dan friesen
But they looked at some scenarios that were possible in the lead up to the election and they were not recommending alternate slates of electors or anything.
But they did foresee the possibility that Trump would do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right.
dan friesen
And that's why that exists in their report.
jordan holmes
And then it did happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you know, it turns out you craft a scenario exercise with people who have some decent insight into the issues.
You target the right variables.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And oftentimes you can come up with some stuff that, you know, can be fairly close to what you need to prepare for.
jordan holmes
Here's what, it bums me out, you know, that this is not also a good measurement for, like, what's going on, right?
Like, if I need to, if I'm going to predict your actions and I think, First off, what would the dumbest, most vain person I know do?
That would suggest that you are a very dumb and vain person, right?
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, what would Trump do in this situation?
The fact that you're like, oh, what would an idiot do?
Should really give you an idea of what's going on.
dan friesen
It's impossible that he's going to believe that he lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's easy.
Done.
dan friesen
So Alex, my God, this guy.
There's just the most important family in U.S. history.
If you believe anything he says, he is probably the most important.
Like, his lineage, his ancestors, just so important.
alex jones
When I was growing up, my grandfather, my mother's father, told me everything was going to be coming.
My mother told me he was just an old eccentric man.
He wasn't.
jordan holmes
He was a wit!
alex jones
They don't even know the projects he worked on.
He never told anybody.
But I know he developed secret weapons for the Pentagon.
His son went on, worked for the same people, and told me much of what I then learned.
dan friesen
Secret weapons programs for the Pentagon.
His grandfather probably made laser guns.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then his son, Buckley's dad, joined in.
jordan holmes
Alright.
No.
Now let's...
Once you say it's your grandfather...
And you say working for the Pentagon.
Now we've got some dates to work with, right?
So sometime in between grandfather age, sometime in between 1930 and 1955, his grandfather must have been working on secret weapons for the Pentagon, right?
dan friesen
I guess, yeah.
jordan holmes
So do we have any really good weapons to come out of that period?
I think Alex's grandfather sucked.
dan friesen
No, because they're secret.
jordan holmes
Well, they wouldn't be secret anymore.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean that now they would be...
They can't still be secret.
dan friesen
Yes, they can.
jordan holmes
No, they can't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, you can't have something be secret for that long.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Because there's a law, like FOIA or some shit like that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
They don't even know the programs he was working on.
jordan holmes
You can't classify things forever.
unidentified
That's against the rules.
dan friesen
This is FOIA proof.
jordan holmes
It's not!
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
See how easy it is for you to lose this argument?
jordan holmes
I was defeated before I even began, honestly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, his dad, or Uncle Buckley.
Buckley's dad.
jordan holmes
Buckley's dad.
dan friesen
And then Buckley's grandfather, who's also Alex's grandfather.
Right.
Yeah, they were...
In the weapons programs.
And then Alex's dad was recruited for the globalists twice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
Desperate for the globalists.
dan friesen
They need those dentists.
jordan holmes
And he is his ancestors, too, so he's Confederate royalty at the same time.
dan friesen
And the Tudors.
He's part of the Tudors lineage.
jordan holmes
They have echoed throughout history as pieces of shit.
One for one.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, one thing that I think is fun is recognizing that a lot of this isn't true.
But...
If I were Alex, I'd be more careful.
Because his audience and his potential audience is full of paranoid people.
And when you say that my grandfather and his son worked in secret programs for the Pentagon developing secret weapons, I imagine that maybe some of them would start asking questions about you.
jordan holmes
I mean, my first question is...
Were you developed in a lab, Alex?
dan friesen
Is Alex the secret weapon?
jordan holmes
Are you the secret weapon?
dan friesen
It might be.
jordan holmes
Were you created and then injected into your mother?
dan friesen
What if I were to tell you that I was able to make a boy who could only lie?
It's like a reverse Pinocchio.
unidentified
That is 100% such a exact...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he can only lie.
He's genetically engineered in a lab to only lie.
dan friesen
He's like Pinocchio, but instead of his nose growing when he lies, he gets more money.
jordan holmes
He gets more money!
Oh my god, that is 100% a thing that could have led to where we are now.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, if you're looking for sources of information that Alex has, Divine Intervention and Revelation, the John Birch Society, his grandfather's Secret Weapons Program, who might have been an old eccentric, according to Alex's mom.
jordan holmes
Was Secret Weapons Program one of the four ways to learn?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That was one of the secret ways to learn.
So, Alex talks about January 6th a little bit, lays out the timeline.
jordan holmes
I bet it accurately.
dan friesen
Oh, very much so.
And then when I said that litany of stories, the rundown of stories, it was all bullshit.
There is, like, one of them was true, and that was that the credit score downgrade for the United States happened.
But the reason that I say that's still bullshit is Alex is trying to tie that to the Trump indictment, as opposed to the debt ceiling stuff that was going on recently.
So anyway, here's the J6 timeline.
unidentified
The men and women of law enforcement who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6th are heroes.
dan friesen
Real quick, that's Jack Smith, the prosecutor, talking that Alex is going to interrupt and yell about January 6th.
unidentified
They are patriots and they are the very best of us.
They did not just defend a building or the people sheltering in it.
They put their lives on the line to defend who we are as a country and as a people.
They defended the very...
alex jones
What really happened was the D.C. police, along with the feds and Antifa, dressed up like Trump supporters and attacked the Capitol.
The outnumbered Capitol police just half had been sent away for crowd control.
The request of the D.C. police fought back.
They were victims in the setup, just like the Trump supporters.
And then once the feds broke through, some useful idiots followed in.
Then others who were hundreds of yards back didn't know what was happening and saw folks being waved in by the police.
They're totally against it.
And that's all come out, that's what happened, and that's what this guy's up to.
But let's look at the repercussions of this.
Here's what happened today to the U.S. credit rating.
unidentified
We want to bring you this breaking news.
Fitch has downgraded the U.S. credit rating to a AA from a AAA.
They note the difference in governance between AA-rated countries versus AAA-rated countries also.
The continuous or the many, many political showdowns surrounding the debt limit.
We knew when the debt limit showdown was going on that Fitch was considering this downgrade even if the debt limit was not breached.
And so here we are with the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating to a AA plus from a AAA.
alex jones
And Sam Bankman-Fried goes free for laundering the money and stealing $30 plus billion for the deep state.
So this is the banker saying, if you question us...
Putting you into total debt servitude and giving ourselves trillions of dollars every quarter, we will downgrade you, which is what they plan to do anyways, like we're a third world country.
This is economic warfare against the people.
dan friesen
That clip he played of the lady on the news was a little bit too clear about what was going on, and so Alex had to weave a little bit, as opposed to sticking to his, this is what happens.
jordan holmes
It is very strange every time he plays a clip and says, here's why they're doing it, and then in the clip they're like, we're specifically doing this for these reasons that are not at all.
dan friesen
And then he has to, you know...
Get fancy.
jordan holmes
I do resent them, though.
I do resent the news and the media for that.
Like, don't ever tell me what our fucking credit rating...
What are you fucking talking about?
Oh, we're a triple-A or a double-A?
Fuck off.
Fuck off!
That's pretend, and you know it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's all pretend.
dan friesen
That's your issue with it.
I was trying to figure out where you were coming down on this.
jordan holmes
No, don't tell me about that.
I don't need to know about it.
I don't want to walk around having that piece of information.
dan friesen
Because it doesn't affect you.
jordan holmes
It doesn't affect anybody.
It's all pretend.
It's all made up.
It's all pretend.
dan friesen
It's the most important number.
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
Fitch is downgrading a country?
Shut the fuck up!
dan friesen
For loans?
Do you think it's Abercrombie's buddy Fitch?
jordan holmes
I wish it was Abercrombie's buddy Fitch.
dan friesen
That would be funny if Abercrombie and Fitch decided the credit rating of the United States.
jordan holmes
Well, they're not going to give us those, can you apply for the 0% interest credit rate?
No, no, no, not America.
No, you got 3.5% APR right out the gate.
unidentified
Damn.
jordan holmes
None of this shit.
dan friesen
Also, Sam Bankman-Fried, just real quick, also, one of the charges against him was dropped.
He's still facing a fair amount of charges.
He's not walking, Free.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But Alex wants that to be the impression because it helps his game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I mean, that's another one of those things where it's so obviously pretend, where it's like, okay, are you telling me that Fried did a billion, billion, billion, billion dollar Ponzi scheme?
And while we're doing this stuff right now, he gets to just keep having $100 million?
Like, he just gets to keep doing that?
We're just fine with that?
dan friesen
I guess that's called due process.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into the second hour, and he says something that baffled me.
alex jones
Okay, I just spent most of the first hour on the most important indictments yet by the criminal regime that knows it stole the 2020 election.
The big takeaway is they're trying to outlaw questioning elections, which is totally First Amendment, whether you're right or wrong.
The evidence is overwhelming.
There was fraud.
Major polls show upwards of 80% of Americans believe there was election fraud.
Are they all going to be arrested?
Yes.
unidentified
Well, that's what Jack Smith basically says in his indictment.
dan friesen
So when I was listening to that, I was like, I...
I don't know anything about this indictment from listening to him.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
I was like...
If I were looking for explanation or, like, intel about, like, what's going on, what is this indictment about?
I guess it's just about making it illegal to question elections.
That must be what's in there.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that's the main thrust of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, because other than that, I have no context for it from Alex's show at all.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, conceivably, you could come away with this thinking that they downgraded our credit rating, or no, the other way around.
Trump got indicted for them downgrading our credit rating.
dan friesen
Sure, or to distract from Hunter Biden's stuff, or to give cover for Sam Bankman Freed to be let off, or whatever.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
He just did all the crimes, man!
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
He did them!
dan friesen
So, Alex, you get the sense he just doesn't want to even do this.
He doesn't want to go over the indictment.
It's boring.
alex jones
I mean, I can go through the indictment for you.
If you'd like, I mean, I guess we can, so here's the lengthy indictment, and it just says over and over again, gaslighting, you have a right to question elections, but not to lie about them.
You have a right to speech, but just not your speech.
Oh, we're not censoring RFK Jr., we just don't want him to speak.
Remember that a few weeks ago?
We're not censoring him, we just tried to censor him so he couldn't speak.
dan friesen
I don't think that it says you can say whatever you want, but it's illegal to lie.
Because you can still lie.
jordan holmes
That would be a very weird thing to illegalize.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are specific actions that were taken that are not lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're efforts to defraud.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Slight difference.
I mean, I guess lying is a part of fraud.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, fraud is by definition lying, but lying is not always fraud.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That distinction is difficult for Alex.
jordan holmes
It does seem to be the case.
I mean, okay.
It's just so ridiculous how many and how stupid and obvious the crimes are.
You have to do it like this.
You can't be like, no, no, no.
It's totally okay for the sitting president to call a governor and be like, eh, give me your state.
dan friesen
That's fine.
jordan holmes
You can't say that.
You just can't do it.
dan friesen
Hey, it might be way illegal for us to fabricate a false slate of electors and send them in, but let's let the courts figure it out.
jordan holmes
Let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
Our lawyers...
Are the only people who are actively being like, hey, guess what?
We're doing crimes here.
You better hide it.
Please hide our crimes.
And then they didn't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They did a bad job of hiding.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think some of that may be a part of why Alex is like, we can go over this if you want.
unidentified
I mean, if you twist my arm, then maybe we'll go over it.
dan friesen
Because I think that he knows that it's a lot of lifting.
You know, he's going to justify all of the conspiracies that are behind these efforts to defraud, but when laid out as they are in an indictment, it's still tougher to justify the actions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it is very much like these are all...
Examples of the Austin Powers penis pump joke over and over and over and over again.
dan friesen
I don't remember the joke.
jordan holmes
Well, it's like, oh, the penis pump is not mine.
And it's like, oh, one picture of you holding your penis pump.
It's that continuous escalation of more and more obvious, yes, you did this.
Just fucking do it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So when Alex is reading the indictment, when he's like, all right, fine, I'll do it, whatever, you can just tell that he's looking for hinge words to jump off on.
It very much feels like cold reading.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And they go on to say that you have a right.
The defendant has a right, like every other American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim falsely that there has been...
An outcome determinative fraud during the election and that he had won.
But they go on to say he can't involve himself in a conspiracy to try to change it.
Oh, I see.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Each of these conspiracies, which built on the widespread mistrust, the defendant was creating.
Oh, so there's widespread mistrust because they don't trust you, but it's his fault.
Through persuasive...
And he's stabilizing lies.
So he's being indicted for lying.
Which he's not lying, but do you see the president trying to say it?
And it goes on and on and on and on with his public statements and other statements.
And then they have statements.
By some of his lawyers that we know were double agents saying they didn't agree with him.
So, oh, look, one of his lawyers disagreed with him, but a bunch agreed, so we're going to indict the lawyers that agree with him and him.
That's coming next.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Double agents.
Lawyers.
jordan holmes
I do like that reasoning of like, oh, sure, one guy says it's illegal.
The other guy said it was fine.
dan friesen
See?
Double agent.
This guy who says it's illegal is a globalist plant who was put here to say that so it could be in the indictment and make Trump look bad.
jordan holmes
But you understand, if a judge says it's illegal, that is one guy saying it!
dan friesen
Double agent judge, man!
This game could be played forever.
jordan holmes
It does feel like an endless game.
dan friesen
Hoo-nelly.
So Trump didn't lie, is the thing.
And I think that, I mean, obviously, any time you're gonna have...
Kind of a nutty person.
And you're going to try and discern exactly where they place reality.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I think it's going to get messy.
Thankfully, it doesn't matter.
But Alex thinks he's not lying.
alex jones
And the defendant's co-conspirators that lied with him.
Do we have recordings of them in a meeting saying, let's lie?
No, they really thought there was fraud, which there was.
Blocking out the windows in all the battleground states.
Trucks being delivered with only Joe Biden.
Ballots rule tonight.
Trump way ahead.
Them saying, don't worry, it's a red mirage.
All the anomalies of the ballots that wouldn't work in the Republican jurisdictions in many states like Arizona.
The names of dead people showing up.
The illegals voting.
I mean, it all came out.
There's been...
They just say, nope, no fraud.
And it goes on and on and on.
And they've got something to hear about...
And then he claimed there were illegal aliens.
I mean, it's just...
Look at this one.
In another message intended for another United States senator, co-conspirator one repeated knowingly false allegations of election fraud, including that the vote counts were certified the states and Congress were incorrect.
The governors who had certified knew they were incorrect and that illegal immigrants had voted.
In substantial numbers in Arizona and that Georgia gave you a number, which is 65,000 people who were underage voted.
And it goes on from there.
So, oh my gosh, they said illegal aliens were voting.
Anybody can type into a search engine, Democrat cities legalize migrants, legalize non-citizens voting.
So I guess they don't technically call them illegal aliens anymore.
See, it's all definitional.
dan friesen
There are some pilot programs of, like, local elections and stuff like that that some migrants can vote in.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
It's irrelevant to this issue, and it's a factor that, you know, this is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Alex has got nothing, and...
I want to show the extent to which he has nothing about this immigrant claim in a minute.
But that's going to have to wait until he brings up a specific.
So that's in a few clips from now.
But he goes off on trying to point in the direction of like, oh, these migrants, these migrants.
And it's so offensive.
alex jones
I can play you Al Gore challenging the election.
I can play...
You know, all these clips.
But you've seen them, and now they've indicted Trump and are about to indict a bunch of his lawyers for sitting around and challenging it and believing it was stolen.
I mean, Biden didn't even campaign.
He couldn't get 20 people at a campaign stop.
Trump had millions.
But think about the indictment.
Trump said illegal aliens are voting.
Look at this headline.
jordan holmes
Notorious truth tell.
alex jones
Highly respected.
Big polling company.
unidentified
Big polling company.
alex jones
Most of the 23 million immigrants eligible to vote in the 2020 election live in just five states.
Pull up headlines all day.
Democrats legalize migrants voting.
Don't use the word illegal.
So if you search the word illegal, it won't come up.
dan friesen
That article from Pew Research is about naturalized citizens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Migrants are not just all barred from voting forever.
jordan holmes
No, forever.
dan friesen
He's using an article about the population distribution of naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote.
And he's saying that this is...
Proof that undocumented immigrants voted illegally.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Are you telling me that you can move here and then become a naturalized citizen?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We need to make that illegal.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that could happen.
I thought if you moved here, it was illegal.
dan friesen
I mean, you're ahead of Alex a little bit.
jordan holmes
It was illegal to move here, period.
Even if you're from here, you can't move here.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
No, don't even think about crossing state lines.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not!
dan friesen
Each state is an experiment.
They're all little countries.
jordan holmes
Here's the problem with build a wall, and this is what I didn't realize at the time.
We need to build all the walls.
Everywhere has a wall.
Every state line has a wall.
Every country's line has a wall.
Rivers?
Walls.
Other things.
dan friesen
C-Ray's walls, that rapper.
unidentified
Walls!
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex seems to believe that all immigrants are undocumented and don't have rights.
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
But here is where he gets to the specific article that shows how little he has.
alex jones
They've indicted him for lying and saying illegals voted.
Again, that's like indicting the Dallas Cowboys for saying that you use a football in football.
Secretary refers 1,600 non-citizen registrants to local DA's GBI state election board.
That's in Georgia.
That was just last year.
But there are no illegals voting.
It's a lie.
He's indicted.
I mean, like if I said, I'm wearing a black shirt today.
And Jack Smith said, no, you're not.
You're indicted.
I'm like, looks pretty black to me.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
alex jones
There you go.
dan friesen
There you go.
alex jones
That's it.
jordan holmes
That's Jack Smith's getter done.
alex jones
You're indicted.
jordan holmes
You're indicted.
dan friesen
You're fired.
It's just the same thing.
So Alex didn't read that article.
But that headline works for him.
The 1,600 non-citizen registrants.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, that's good.
But if he had read the article, he would have found that it also says, quote, none of the non-citizens were allowed to register to vote.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They tried to register and it didn't work.
And honestly, there's a really good chance that they didn't know that they were ineligible.
And so they had good faith in terms of applying to register.
But this is such a good piece of proof that this system does catch most of the people who errantly try to register to vote.
The process doesn't get to the next step.
That is a tiny number for that time period, and none of them voted.
So this actually works strongly against...
jordan holmes
I mean, it is easier to get a knife, a gun, and a bomb on a plane than it is to vote as an illegal citizen or whatever.
Whatever we're doing with the words.
dan friesen
A non-citizen registrant.
jordan holmes
Whatever you want.
You just can't do it.
They call it 100%.
dan friesen
At least in Georgia.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, you know, if you want to play games with it, you could say that maybe there's some non-citizen registrants that they didn't find in their audit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So maybe there's someone somewhere.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
But in their audit, that's the number that they found, and zero of them voted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great.
dan friesen
Maybe other states have lesser or better measures in place to, you know, have this security step in the process, but...
I don't know.
It's the one Alex cited, and it's way wrong.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, all of his shit is meaningless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's brutal.
That's just brutal.
We gotta get rid of the TSA.
I think that's the lesson I've learned from this.
dan friesen
They're out in the streets.
jordan holmes
They're out in the streets.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Roseanne comes on.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's interesting, because in such a short time, it's gone from like, wow, that's really huge that Roseanne was on, to like, now, I don't even really care.
jordan holmes
Go away, Roseanne.
dan friesen
She's kind of a regular guest now.
It sucks.
jordan holmes
She's just bored then, I guess.
dan friesen
She must be.
Her appearance is, it's kind of funny, because earlier in the show, Alex was yelling about how like...
Hunter Biden stuff is kind of a distraction and stuff, but she's all about the...
jordan holmes
Main narrative.
The most important narrative of the day is the Hunter Biden stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And she has a fairly empathetic take that I think is...
There's something decent about it, and that is that he's clearly someone who's suffering, and people are enabling him.
And I think that there's something to that.
Now, everything else she says is complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
roseanne barr
All they do is keep enabling Hunter, and I guess they don't want to help him.
unidentified
They don't care whether he lives or dies.
roseanne barr
He's just, you know, the linchpin.
unidentified
I thought today we should pray for his soul because he could help a lot of people.
roseanne barr
He's caused so much irreparable damage that he has to answer for.
He looks to me like somebody who wants to unburden himself.
And I do think that he turned in his own laptop because he couldn't take it anymore.
unidentified
And look at the stuff that's on that laptop.
And they censor.
roseanne barr
I mean, he's on there having sex with the Obama's daughters.
unidentified
Have you seen that?
alex jones
You're absolutely right.
The deep state, I agree.
The two impeachments, the Russiagate thing, that all blew up in their face, but they don't stop.
dan friesen
Alex was not listening at all.
jordan holmes
That was such a great pause of like, oh, I guess I was supposed to say something right here.
alex jones
You bet.
jordan holmes
You nailed it, and there we go.
dan friesen
You are 100% correct.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
dan friesen
Hunter Biden's banging around with the Obama daughters.
unidentified
It is so funny.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
All right.
Interesting.
unidentified
How old is...
jordan holmes
Why are we doing the Hunter Biden thing?
Why are we doing it?
Yeah, can't we just not at all?
They're doing it.
dan friesen
Roseanne's doing it.
jordan holmes
Jesus, man.
Come on.
dan friesen
Anyway, her interview is fairly boring for the most part.
But Alex had been saying this entire show, we got Roseanne coming up and we got Roger Stone.
We're going to get the truth from the Stone Zone.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And so he does the interview with Roseanne.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And then he goes to break.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
We've got Roger Stone joining us at the bottom of the hour.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
To respond to...
owen shroyer
The Trump indictment.
And a lot of the stuff that Alex has already covered today, I was going to talk about, so I won't be redundant here.
What?
dan friesen
What?
You're going to cover the nothing that Alex covered?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he doesn't want to go over the indictment.
Like, he doesn't want to get into the...
Because Alex already covered every individual part of the indictment.
dan friesen
Yeah, he got into the weeds.
jordan holmes
Covered all the counts.
I mean, he's policy wonks.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I understand.
You know, you put...
Owen in a tough position.
You know, it's like if you're opening for somebody who does a lot of crowd work and you do crowd work.
You've already asked the people in the front row what they do for a living.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I've been there.
dan friesen
Owen's in that position.
He's stuck.
jordan holmes
Oh, the feeling of being the headliner and missing the feature set and then realizing you've just asked the exact same questions.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Owen's in that position and all he has is a prop in the form of Roger Stone to help him get...
Through the set.
jordan holmes
Where did Alex go?
Is he dead?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I didn't even hear him say that Owen's taking over.
jordan holmes
I didn't hear anything.
dan friesen
No.
He just left.
jordan holmes
He just left.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I would, too, though, if Roger was going to show up.
I'd probably take off.
jordan holmes
It's about time for them to stop being friends.
There's nothing Roger can do for them anymore.
dan friesen
No, he prefers the pillow man.
By the way, I'm very excited about the pillow man's big event.
On the 16th.
jordan holmes
Just never gonna not do the big events.
dan friesen
He's gonna save the world.
jordan holmes
Can't not do it.
dan friesen
Very excited to see how that involves hand towels or something.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Bedding.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't really care about Owen's set.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His hosting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there is a trend that goes throughout his coverage that I feel is important to call out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's embodied by this clip.
unidentified
So, we've got a little idea here.
owen shroyer
She's from Kingston, Jamaica.
dan friesen
He's talking about the judge in Trump's case.
jordan holmes
Sure.
owen shroyer
Appointed by Barack Obama.
I'm sure this isn't an affirmative action appointee, though.
Of course not.
Not Tanya S. Chutkin.
People are fired up today.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Weird.
Racist.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There's not really much else to say about it other than, like, it's weirdly racist in a way that harkens back to, like, old racism.
This is just, like...
About as explicit as it gets.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he might as well have said that they're out to get us.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, hold on.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, no!
dan friesen
Well?
jordan holmes
No!
owen shroyer
Tanya Chutkin, appointed by Barack Obama.
I think we can all be confident, though, that this is not an affirmative action hire.
I think we can all be confident here that this woman is not going to take into that courtroom any anti-white bigotry that she might have.
There it is.
Get justice for her ancestors with that rich white man in her courtroom.
I think we can all rest easy, Roger, knowing that's certainly not a potential here.
dan friesen
Well, you thought you were joking.
jordan holmes
Really did.
Really did.
I really 100% thought that he would not go the trying to get justice for your ancestors way, but...
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I would say it's interesting, but it's not really.
It's only interesting in as much as it's like...
Owen is, like, what, in his late 20s or something?
You expect this kind of racism to be coming out of, like, a 70-year-old or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is old racism.
jordan holmes
This is the classics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And maybe that's, like, what's old is new again.
You know, maybe these bigots feel like it's time to bring some of that back because we've forgotten about it.
jordan holmes
Well, it is nice.
Here's the one thing that is nice.
It is nice that he recognizes that that would be justice.
Like, the irony of what he's saying there is like, well, I mean, we did fuck over their ancestors.
dan friesen
Funnily enough, that's Roger's follow-up question.
It's not.
jordan holmes
I mean, that is the irony of these white racist dudes.
There is a certain amount of like, listen, we gotta stop them because we have it coming to us.
We totally did that shit.
We're the ones who are at fault here.
dan friesen
I hear what you're saying, and I think that that's a possible reading of it, but I also think it's mocking.
I think that Owen's sort of vibe on that is mocking the idea of justice for the ancestors of enslaved people.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, everything they laugh at is funny because it is true.
To them.
Do you know what I mean?
They laugh at the things that are like, see, look at how stupid these people are for thinking that we would care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I was shocked.
I mean, the first time that he was speculating that this is an affirmative action thing, I was shocked because it's just so archaic in its racism.
And, you know, it's not something that is even really arguable in terms of, is this racist?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might as well just say a slur.
unidentified
Because it's that concrete and that blunt.
dan friesen
But then for him to do it again and to build into it all the fears that you were joking about before you heard that last clip, it's just shameful.
unidentified
I...
dan friesen
He knows what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, and if he doesn't, it's because he's just not self-aware of how racist he is.
dan friesen
He might as well be yelling like a black judge can't judge us.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
100%.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, he's writing George Wallace's speeches right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There should be a separate legal system.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not...
dan friesen
Only whites can judge whites.
jordan holmes
I mean, you go to some places in this country and you'll find they've created that.
dan friesen
Well...
Fair enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But not maybe to the extent that Owen would want.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So that brings us to the end of this exploration, and I don't think that, you know, I don't think that he covered the indictment well.
I think he got some feelings about it out, and obviously the narrative is in place, that it is just outlawing your free speech and questioning an election.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So that, you know, mission accomplished.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
On that front.
But in terms of, like, doing a news...
I don't think that was done.
jordan holmes
There should be...
You should have to defend something about how many fucking indictments we're dealing with now, right?
Like, if the globalists are just trying to put them away, you only need one, maybe two trials, I guess?
We've got like five different sets.
dan friesen
I would argue that the more there are, the better it is for Alex.
Or the easier it is to say, like, they're just throwing the kitchen sink in here.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
I can see that.
dan friesen
Also, I was thinking about it, and Alex likes to say that they could indict a ham sandwich.
jordan holmes
They do.
dan friesen
And I would love for Trump's next lawyer to be a ham sandwich.
jordan holmes
That would be very funny.
dan friesen
My lawyer.
jordan holmes
You can't handle the truth!
dan friesen
Six-inch ham and cheese from Subway.
jordan holmes
It might as well be in terms of confidence.
Yeah, that's about what he's looking at.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Jeez.
dan friesen
So, we'll be back, Jordan, with another episode.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we will.
dan friesen
We'll check in on the ongoing adventures of Alex doing something.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's adknowledge underscore fight.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
Oh no!
Accidentally started a real song.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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