Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ March 4, 2004 episode, exposing his false framing of the 1998 Jasper lynching—where white supremacists murdered James Byrd Jr.—as a "revenge murder" by five Black men. They mock his recycled dystopian skits like Neoconstar, based on a never-produced Toyota concept car, and his promotion of AIDS denialism via Dr. Razanik (David Raznick), whose claims align with Peter Duesberg’s deadly theories linked to 330,000 South African deaths. The hosts condemn Jones’ segregationist rhetoric, like blaming minorities for societal issues, and his misrepresentation of constitutional conventions, calling it harmful intellectual stagnation that profits from fearmongering while dismissing real accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
But in some ways, it's actually kind of, there's some things to learn, and there's some things that are illustrative, so it's worthwhile how shitty he is.
I think if you're starting your own thing, especially if you're going from Fox News to doing a Twitter show, you're wanting to really establish yourself and maybe create a foundation of people who know that this is where they're going to get the content as opposed to it being distributed willy-nilly all over the place.
So, you know, there's this sort of dull period and then we get to this and it's just...
Just shit.
Just bad.
But one of the things, one of the narratives that he's been going over during this dull period quite a bit is that there's a new trend that people have been doing, which is putting money in microwaves.
Alex has been covering this a bit, and apparently it's really exciting because Steve Watson, Paul Joseph Watson's brother, also put some euros in the microwave.
I mean, it makes sense if you're like a third grader just coming off your favorite science class just being like, let's find out what happens when you do everything different!
But I was excited for this, where Alex talks about how sensational stuff, like putting money in the microwave, gets more attention than other stuff he talks about.
I mean, now there's a big debate, are there RFIDs in the money?
I think the fact that the money exploded or popped like firecrackers...
It's just an illustration of, man, this is some weird money.
I mean, it's really a novelty, but people latch on to stories like that.
I mean, we'll post a photograph, and that'll get a million viewers, and then, you know, some government document from the Library of Congress about how the government engineered AIDS, and they say they engineered it in 1968 or 1975, and they say it's a soft-kill weapon, and they describe it, and we post that, and it gets, you know, 10,000 people look at it in a month.
So this also speaks to what captures people's attention.
And it's certainly images, you know, exploding towers with jetliners flying into them.
You know, that gets people's attention.
That's why the globalists did that.
And so somehow we've got to shift our minds into, you know, really becoming upset about bills and legislation and things like that.
Because if we could get people as excited about the Patriot Act 1 and 2 and what's in it as we could about exploding $20 bills, then we would get this country back.
So on a descriptive level, Alex is right about the dynamic that he's describing.
Essentially that...
Sensationalism sells.
He's accurately assessed a problem with how human attention operates, and at this point, he's at least pretending to want to solve that problem by encouraging people to pay attention to the more boring, less sensational stories that are actually possibly more substantive.
But we know how Alex's career has progressed since then, and I think that this frustration that he's discussing, it might have played some part, possibly even subconscious, as a part in his path.
Instead of trying to get people Yeah, yeah.
And he's aware that that $20 bill in the microwave doesn't mean anything.
No, no.
This is just something that's visually interesting to people.
Well, and especially realizing that all you really have to do is pace lip service to the more, like, substantive stuff and be like, it's all there, it's all in the white papers, and then people just give you credit for having talked about or understanding any of that deep stuff.
I've been telling you this for six years since I learned of it, but now it's coming.
It's like I told people in 97 that HEB was involved with the Feds, the big grocery store chain in Texas, and was going to be putting in thumb scanners to track and trace and control you for the new sales tax, and they have announced it is official.
It's gone in in some stores in Houston.
College Station two years ago, a bunch of HEB stores in Austin in three weeks are putting them in.
And Piggly Wiggly, there's a big World Net Daily article that Piggly Wiggly and its stores are putting them in.
If you use credit card or check at the checkout counter, you're going to have to thumb scan Piggly Wiggly.
I think on an intellectual level, I wanted to play this clip because...
It's an example of these predictions that Alex makes, and his tone is so just snarky, and like, hope you enjoy, and then it's all stuff that didn't happen.
But...
I think emotionally I just wanted to hear him say Piggly Wiggly.
Because according to the federal documents, the guests, members of Congress, people from the different legislatures I've had on about this, this is actually, minus the mobile injections, what life will be like.
Your car will lock you in it.
It will not start if you've got one parking ticket.
A camera will watch you in your car.
It's actually worse than this so-called dark humor.
just one more time, because Toyota has actually rolled out one of these and says, the government wants this, and so they're providing it, and this will be the new car that we all use.
And basically it is a mirror image, actually a little bit worse in several cases than this humor of two months ago.
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The following is an actual conversation between a Neoconstar operator and a subscriber in distress who is locked in her car and doesn't have the proper authorization to get out.
With NeoconStar, help is just a satellite away.
NeoconStar, how can I offer you great service today?
Help me, I'm trapped in my car.
My retina scanner won't work.
Just relax, sir.
It's not sir, it's ma 'am.
Please hurry, it's hot in here.
According to Admiral Poindexter's database, I have you at the Monsanto Mart on 2nd Street.
Right.
I have a live shot of you from the Neocon Star Observation Blampia area.
So it ends up like the Neocon Star operator is going to send people to kill her because she is maybe a terrorist because she can't find her card or something.
And then they offer her a lethal injection and she takes it.
If he was screaming like, eventually your phone's going to be listening to you all the time and it's going to pick up keywords that you say and then the next time you search for something, they're going to recognize that you said that and then they're going to spit it back out at you.
But even so, you are transposing onto this what is your kind of valid awareness about the world, which is that there is this monitoring and capability that exists.
Here's Wired Magazine today, and then I have another one here.
Out of another major newspaper reporting on the same thing.
And it says, Melbourne, Australia.
At the Melbourne Motor Show last week, Toyota unveiled a controversial concept car that would very closely monitor and in some cases restrict the action of its driver, including refusing to turn on.
To drive the sleek Toyota Sports TiVo, a driver would have to enter a memory card into its console, turn on the engine, Based on the driver's experience and driving record, the car adjusts its engine performance, cutting back for motorists with less experience or spotty driving records.
See, it's to save the children.
Drivers of the future who have grown up in the electronic age of heavy remote speed camera enforcement measures and electronic tollway charging systems are accepting of new technology that assists their lifestyle as a way of monitoring a Toyota press release says about the car.
It's essential for drivers to be fully informed in this area of increasing electronic surveillance.
And when we get back, I mean, it says you'll be watched by cameras.
And that means that this is a car that wasn't actually made and produced.
It was just a modeling of an idea that someone had.
In this case, the concept was largely shaped by, quote, input from 14 to 18-year-olds in Australia who were giving some of their thoughts about features that might be helpful in a car.
One of their ideas was a speedometer that would change its display when you were getting close to the speed limit so you'd be able to tell more precisely how fast you were driving.
This obviously couldn't be done because the car would need to automatically know what the speed limit was, where you're driving, but the idea is kind of interesting.
This is hard to face, but there's a bunch of different facets to this story, isn't there?
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Yes, there's the drugs, there's the children being treated with these drugs against their will, it's the children who are being taken away from their parents and put in these institutions.
So, this guy, his name is David Raznick, and that's not a household name, but it is in a very specific community, namely the AIDS denialist community.
He's a big figure in the world of folks who don't believe HIV is real or that it doesn't lead to AIDS, and he's done a ton of damage to a lot of people.
One of his big ideas is that antiretroviral drugs meant to manage AIDS or HIV are actually the cause of the condition, and that the real cure is some super cool...
He went so far with his big ideas to take a trip to South Africa where he would actively discourage people from seeking treatment from hospitals or clinics, instead saying they should take his vitamins.
He also even discouraged people from getting tested.
He was working for a company that sold the vitamins in the capacity of running fraudulent clinical trials aiming at proving the vitamins efficacy, which the South African government would later declare illegal.
Here he is on Alex's show discussing a story about the Child Protective Services supposedly running illegal drug trials on children, all the while he's running illegal drug trials in South Africa.
Also, as recently as 2006, it was reported that he advised people that HIV, quote, cannot be transmitted between heterosexuals.
And a lot of times you aren't getting the help that people should be providing.
So the underlying story here that Alex is covering is about a New York Post article involving research and care that was done with foster children being given HIV AIDS medication.
They weren't given it for no reason, as Alex and his guest may want to suggest.
These were all kids with HIV-AIDS, and many of them were severely ill and wouldn't have had access to any treatment outside the program due to financial hardship.
The whole thing gets a little bit messy, so I'm going to try and sum it up as concisely as I can.
This story got some traction here around this point in 2004, and then in 2005, the BBC put out a special called The Guinea Pig Kids that stirred up a lot of public concern.
in response the vera institute of justice launched an investigation of the claims made in that documentary and got to the bottom of it this all had to do with this program at the incarnation children's center in new york and ultimately 532 of these children were involved in trials of approved medications like for instance they were approved until Right.
Necessarily.
Right.
After, quote, interviewing dozens of people involved in the trials and reviewing hundreds of thousands of pages of case files, documents and correspondence, the Vera Institute announced the conclusion of their work in 2009.
They found that no children died as a result of the medications they were given.
They found that no foster children were removed from their families because they wouldn't consent to treatment, which you can hear Raznick assert here.
And that is one of the big things they hang their hat on in terms of their claims.
Of course.
And then also Raznick is a bad source on this stuff because he thinks that just giving appropriate medication for HIV or AIDS is actually hurting these children.
That's something that isn't even unpacked on Alex's show, which is a very important variable in terms of having this person as a guest.
So, I will say, the investigation did come up with some concerning points.
This story is not entirely without some criticism.
For one thing, they weren't able to find the official consent forms for all of the children who participated.
The New York Times does note that, quote, the state's Department of Health refused Vera's request to review medical records, which might have included some additional consents.
That's an open question, and also they found, in some cases, consent forms that were handwritten, which isn't in line with policy, but could indicate informed consent was given.
Incidentally, even before that full investigation concluded, the BBC was forced to make a big public apology about that guinea pig kid special.
They were roundly criticized for distorting facts and strangely only presenting the viewpoints of notorious AIDS denialists.
It should shock nobody at this point for me to reveal that one of the experts that was interviewed on that show David Rasnick, the pile of shit who's talking to Alex here in 2004.
If it was about a giant scandal where you were testing unknown medications on unwitting children, then maybe that name would have been more appropriate.
Many people may not know this, but prescription drugs used properly, already FDA drugs used properly, kill 100,000 Americans every year and seriously injure over 2 million.
Now, that's drugs that are already passed FDA approval.
Now, imagine what the unknowns are with these experimental drugs and procedures that are going on in these institutions.
Now, I've talked to a lot of doctors, a lot of scientists, and they say that a lot of these AIDS drugs, somebody will be healthy, they go on them, and they're dead a year later, but the drugs are killing the people.
The fucking shit that AIDS did to people is, I mean, that anybody could not treat it with the same seriousness as the fucking pandemic is bananas to me.
So this is a particularly insidious thing to lie about, because Magic Johnson has made it a part of his career's mission to help educate the public about HIV and AIDS, and what Alex and Raznick are doing here is attempting to undo what Magic has worked for.
One of the big things that Magic stresses in almost all of his interviews is that he is not cured and that his condition is as manageable as it is because of the medications he takes.
He's not said that he's fine and doesn't need the drugs, but he has trimmed down on the amount of medication he needs to take and his HIV viral load is at an undetectable level, again because of his medication, which he's very clear about.
In a frontline interview Magic did in 2011, exactly 20 years after he made his big public announcement about contracting HIV, he discusses his experience with medication.
Magic is asked if he ever had any side effects, and he replied, quote, I never had any side effects.
I'm one of those, and I think what helped me, too, is I kept working out.
And when it could have been tough for me in terms of that, I really busted through that tough period because I wasn't going to let it get me.
So that website, Dewsburg.com, that Raznick is plugging and Alex is directing his audience to, is the homepage of one of the world's highest profile AIDS denialists, Peter Dewsburg.
In the year 2000, South African President Thabo Mbeki convened an advisory panel on HIV and AIDS.
There were 44 members on this panel, and it included Peter Dewsburg.
Dewsburg doesn't really believe that AIDS and HIV are real, and to the extent they are, it's a byproduct of drug use.
One of the primary culprits he points to is poppers, which is really interesting because a clip was circulating recently of presidential candidate RFK Jr. suggesting that AIDS is caused by poppers.
These ideas are insane and dangerous, but they're not really as far outside the mainstream as we would like to believe.
Anyway, Dewsburg was the most prominent AIDS denialist on Mbeki's panel, and the government would drag their feet on supporting the use of antiretroviral drugs, going so far as to not accept donations and grants towards that end.
A study in 2008, published in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, estimated that at least 330,000 deaths were attributable to that five-year delay, which was in part influenced by the panel where Dewsburg was the chief denialist.
So, when you're talking about, you know, things that cause death, or, you know, let's say maybe not cause death, but eliminate the possibility of saving lives, or however you want to put it.
You know, this is just another one of those things that we refuse to reckon with.
Like, the AIDS crisis was an act...
Of violence towards the LGBTQ community.
And nobody's dealt with that.
Like, nobody's dealt with the fact that governments all over the world willingly laughed.
Because, fuck it, you know?
Oh, no, this is a disease for those people.
And just didn't...
I mean, it's fucked up.
It's fucked up.
Nobody reckons with that.
Nobody is like, oh, okay, I can't believe that we're still so homophobic without saying, oh yeah, 30 years ago, you could laugh at people for dying of AIDS.
You could just laugh at them.
Be like, see, this is what you get.
Yes, of course we're still a fucking homophobic nation.
You know, it's like Toyota in the mainstream news in Wired Magazine.
With cameras watching you, automatic breathalyzers tracking you, you've got to swipe your ID card to get it to start, retina scans, and now New York's about to pass the law.
I just learned that.
It's about to pass in New Mexico.
I mean, it's happening.
It's happening.
This digital straitjacket's being put in place, and then the government's going to blow stuff up and say that there's a terror group who's against microchips.
And we've got to arrest anybody who's against the chip because they're the ones that released the bioweapon.
And then, oh, now, you know, a million Americans died from the weaponized smallpox.
We've all got to take the chip to prove that we're with the government.
As Andy Rooney said after 9-11, he said we should all have chips so we can prove we're with the good people.
Also, just a quick reminder, that Toyota story that he's talking about is the one about teens in Australia designing a concept car that never went to production and didn't have most of the features that Alex is rattling off about it.
That's the evidence of the government tightening the digital straitjacket on us, which seems like he's an overly dramatic fella here.
If I were to play the entirety of Alex's nightmarish view of this, it's like, not only do you have to do a breathalyzer, it assesses the air in your car, so if you wear too much cologne, it'll think you're drunk.
And then also because a baby could like blow in your breathalyzer, it retina scans you to find out if you're drunk.
Right.
And then also like not Alex's paranoid fantasies, but part of this concept car was this idea of like you're talking about a key fob to get into your car.
That would be an interesting way to get rid of ownership of cars.
You know what I'm saying?
Drive a car, park it somewhere, and then the next person when they need a car, they'll get in the car and it'll be their license plate and they'll keep going.
Now explain that, because Hitler had death camps and put a lot of people in it, including a lot of Jews, and you're saying that Russia was run by Jews, but Stalin arrested a bunch of Jews.
I mean, the answer really is don't watch Peter Jennings and Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and the people on Fox and their fake left-right garbage unless you want to know what the enemy's pushing and doing and spinning.
I mean, you find the truth on the AP and Reuters newswires, but that stuff never gets past the gatekeepers.
All the reporters aren't bad.
They just wonder why.
I wonder why I never go anywhere.
You know, the AP reporter that wrote the story about how five black men drug a white man to death in Jasper, Texas.
They said, oh, we're going to pay you back.
And I called the sheriff and said, I got this AP article from January 14, 2002.
I'd like to have you on.
He said, I can't come on and talk about that.
I'd be accused of being a racist.
Click.
So, see, we all have this unwritten rule, and you're saying, well, what are you talking about?
You go from implantable microchips to black people dragging a white man to death until his head came off.
Well, the point is, you all heard about him dragging the poor black man, Mr. King, I forget his name, drug him to death until his head came off, and they were in prison together in gang wars together, and it's horrible what happened to him.
Five black guys drug an old white man to death, walking down the same strip of highway.
That murder was not due to some kind of a jailhouse fight.
Alex is just lying based on the detail that King and one of his accomplices joined a white supremacist gang while they were in prison prior to the murder.
It was pretty clear why they did what they did based on statements that they made after the fact and based on how they intentionally left his torso in front of a black church.
The sheriff at the time was Billy Rolls, who retired in 2019 after 50 years on the force.
He seems like a pretty frank guy.
In 2011, he was reflecting on the media attention that he got after this murder.
The guy's name was James Bird.
We've talked about that in the past.
And that's why I'm not going into a great detail.
And the details of it are fucking horrific.
But when he was reflecting on the media attention, this sheriff Rolls said, quote, You know, everybody came out here expecting to find a racist community and a redneck sheriff.
A pot-bellied, snuff-dipping, beer-drinking sheriff that was a bigot.
I honestly have no idea what revenge murder Alex is talking about where five black men killed a white guy, and from all the digging I've done, I can find literally no evidence of this happening.
If someone knows what he's talking about, I would be open to hearing what that is.
But, like, I've seen interviews with Sheriff Rolls reflecting on the murder and the aftermath, and I think if there were a revenge copycat murder, it seems like a relevant part of the aftermath, but nothing like that ever comes up.
I suspect that Alex read some headlines about how the town was scared about more violence occurring because the Klan decided that they wanted to do a rally in Jasper, and that brought out folks like Khalid Muhammad and the New Black Panthers, so tensions were really high.
I have a feeling that Alex just came up with a story in his head that allowed him to minimize the gravity of this actual lynching because he's heavily invested in not believing that racist white people exist.
And if by some unimaginable fluke one does exist, they're one to one balanced out by a racist black person.
Of course, the tragedy is that this lack of evidence of this other murder happening, it wouldn't hurt the audience's faith in Alex's narrative.
The lack of evidence would simply be proof of how good the cover-up was that Alex is also alleging is happening here.
The way that HIV-AIDS is dealt with so often by even, I don't know, probably some well-meaning people too, but also folks like Alex, is that it's the other's disease.
There's a stigmatizing of whether it's gay people, or it's poor people, or it's minorities.
It's always...
We're viewed through that prism as opposed to our problem.
If we turn the Constitution off, then we can all tear it apart, red pen everywhere, scissors, and then the Constitution comes back on and we're all going to be like, wait, it's different now?
You know, I think that one of the issues that we have here is that, like, Alex isn't smart, but he was smart for a young kid, you know?
And then he just sort of coasted on that, and then never really worked on stuff, and never really learned how to think better, never really learned how to research, never learned any of those things that he probably could have...
been equipped with in a formal education of some sort.
And now he's just kind of operating on the intellectual abilities of a pretty...