#826: March 4, 2004
Today, Dan and Jordan dip into the past to experience a very off-putting episode of the Alex Jones Show, where Alex gets mad about a car some Australian teens designed, and engages in full-on AIDS denialism.
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is that I finally have a date for moving. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| As people who listen to the show regularly, I'm sure, are aware, because I've mentioned it a couple times. | ||
| And a frustrating transitional housing thing going on. | ||
| And just to be able to know, like, alright, that is the day that it's gonna happen. | ||
| I've got, you know, it's a load off. | ||
| There's been a lot of, like, sort of lingering in the air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, how's this going to work out time-wise? | ||
| I always knew that there was going to be a place where I could live. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| You know, but the exact, like, how am I going to make this work was so, so nebulous. | ||
| And now just... | ||
| Oh, what a relief. | ||
| You know what that's so similar to? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Giving birth. | ||
| Because it's like, I don't know when it's going to happen, but then sometimes the doctor's like, hey, fuck it. | ||
| It's going to happen next week. | ||
| And you're like, shit, thank God. | ||
| At least it's going to happen next week. | ||
| It is exactly like giving birth. | ||
| It's exactly like that. | ||
| And so now I know the pain of childbirth, and I will not be condescended to by any pregnant person out there. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is the TV show Warrior. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Is that a serialized version of that movie with the baseball furies and the warriors? | ||
| Oh, no, no, not the warriors. | ||
| No, it's based off of one of Bruce Lee's ideas. | ||
| Before Kung Fu happened and all that stuff, he had this idea for what amounts to now Deadwood in San Francisco. | ||
| With a majority Chinese cast. | ||
| And of course you can't do that in the 60s because racism. | ||
| So now they made it. | ||
| It's fucking great! | ||
| It's fucking great! | ||
| All right. | ||
| And they got a great Bruce Lee surrogate guy playing the lead. | ||
| So he's the warrior. | ||
| He's the warrior. | ||
| What is he fighting a war against? | ||
| I mean, you know, racism. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| White people. | ||
| It's San Francisco in the, I think, 20s. | ||
| So yeah, just mainly white people. | ||
| And then other people. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| White people and other people. | ||
| And then other people, yes. | ||
| What a description of... | ||
| Both kinds. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to do, and we are going to be in the past. | ||
| We're going to be talking about March 4th, 2004. | ||
| What a terrible show. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| Alex is a real piece of shit. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah, he sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But in some ways, it's actually kind of, there's some things to learn, and there's some things that are illustrative, so it's worthwhile how shitty he is. | ||
| But man, he's a big piece of shit. | ||
| He's a big piece of shit. | ||
| So we have this episode to go over, but before we dive into that and say hi to some wonks, I found something interesting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I was going through band.video, Alex's website. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I was poking around in there, seeing what's going on, because, you know, sometimes they'll have weird channels pop up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's the Nick Fuentes channel. | ||
| Shouldn't be there, but whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Still there, but I think it's inactive. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| But I noticed they have a best of Tucker Carlson channel. | ||
| And previously, it was just the interview that Alex did with Tucker Carlson years ago. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Best of Tucker Carlson. | ||
| But now, Alex is just reposting Tucker's Twitter show. | ||
| No. | ||
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And I wonder if he has permission to do that. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I were Tucker, I'd probably say no. | ||
| Like, you would want whatever audience is going to watch it on Alex's shit to be, you know, forced to come over to your Twitter thing. | ||
| Sure, I bet at the beginning, with all those numbers, maybe Tucker was like, sure, go for it! | ||
| I've got billions of people watching me! | ||
| And then now, maybe he'd be like, hey... | ||
| Don't repost my stuff. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| I think if you're starting your own thing, especially if you're going from Fox News to doing a Twitter show, you're wanting to really establish yourself and maybe create a foundation of people who know that this is where they're going to get the content as opposed to it being distributed willy-nilly all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, generally that is a pretty big part of success in media. | ||
| I think Alex is just stealing Tucker's shit. | ||
| It does sound right. | ||
| That does sound right. | ||
| Hey, Tucker. | ||
| Call your lawyers. | ||
| Not those lawyers. | ||
| The other ones. | ||
| See, I would... | ||
| Not the lawyers that are defending you and dealing with Fox News. | ||
| Get some other lawyers to talk to Alex. | ||
| Yeah, man, when you have that many lawyers working for you, you're a bad person. | ||
| No, like, it should have just been a bunch of clips of edited together Tucker, like, outtakes and stuff like that. | ||
| Best of Tucker Carlson. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| Alex Jones! | ||
| Yeah, he's over and over and over again! | ||
| He had some points! | ||
| He just cut a super cut of Tucker saying Alex Jones over and over and over again is the best of Tucker, I think. | ||
| According to one guy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Down in Texas with a thick old neck. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So we're going to talk about this terrible, bad show here in a second. | ||
| But before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea! | ||
| So first... | ||
| Donatcha. | ||
| It seems that the entirety of the meme speech from Metal Gear Rising was over the character limit for a shoutout. | ||
| Happy late birthday, man. | ||
| Donatcha's pronounced do-not-ca. | ||
| Ooh, I screwed it up. | ||
| Anyway, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Don't put the pronunciation at the end if I'm cold reading. | ||
| I did that on purpose because you were cold reading it. | ||
| I thought it would be fun for everyone. | ||
| Next, Tucker is your destiny. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Not if you sue Alex. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| Next, sour cream fondue fountain. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| That's the 13th dimension. | ||
| Yeah, we talked a lot. | ||
| Next, I'm Dan's urban camel. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm not sure what that's a reference to. | ||
| What is an urban camel? | ||
| I don't know, but I know that it just makes me think of getting into an argument about whether or not there was wolves downtown. | ||
| Yeah, I recall. | ||
| We don't need to have the coyote versus wolf argument, okay? | ||
| Next, thank you Ben Baked Beans Biggins for introducing me to these guys. | ||
| Been listening since the X-Ray Arcade. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy walk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Dorcas Lives. | ||
| May Skullmageddon strike down the invading sex robots. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He's not, and he's definitely not on March 4th, 2004. | ||
| This guy sucks. | ||
| That's a lot of tomorrows to miss being better for. | ||
| That's a significant number. | ||
| If you get 1% or 0.1% better each day from March 4th, 2004 to the present, you'd probably be a great... | ||
| I mean, compound interest, you'd be crazy good. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is bad. | ||
| Alex is bad. | ||
| If you lose 0.1%, then... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| This one just, I mean... | ||
| There's just a lot of distaste I have for this episode. | ||
| And maybe it's because it's coming off of a couple days worth of like, there's nothing going on here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Outside of Alex blaming third world populations for babies crying in movies. | ||
| Well, that one is, it's still debatable. | ||
| We haven't got the science back on that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if we need science. | ||
| So, you know, there's this sort of dull period and then we get to this and it's just... | ||
| Just shit. | ||
| Just bad. | ||
| But one of the things, one of the narratives that he's been going over during this dull period quite a bit is that there's a new trend that people have been doing, which is putting money in microwaves. | ||
| I don't know if you remember this. | ||
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What? | |
| So the new money that came out, you know, like the big face bills. | ||
| Oh, when the cash certainly had the, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It has the strip in it for, like, not being able to pirate it. | ||
| Right, right, right, counterfeiters. | ||
| Yeah, so piracy? | ||
| Pirate it? | ||
| Yeah, it's piracy. | ||
| It's money piracy. | ||
| I mean, it's not not piracy. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| I don't know why that was the word that came to mind. | ||
| But, yeah, so people were putting money into microwaves because that... | ||
| And then other people were like... | ||
| Using microwaves to clean money. | ||
| They thought that that would get stuff off money. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So there's a lot of that going on. | ||
| People are weird! | ||
| Alex has been covering this a bit, and apparently it's really exciting because Steve Watson, Paul Joseph Watson's brother, also put some euros in the microwave. | ||
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That is the one. | |
| That is such... | ||
| I mean, it makes sense if you're like a third grader just coming off your favorite science class just being like, let's find out what happens when you do everything different! | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But that third grader is going to then ask why did this happen. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And then find the answer as opposed to people like Alex who are just like, it's the globalists. | ||
| So you might get some sense from that, why that was a dull period of a couple days. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I was excited for this, where Alex talks about how sensational stuff, like putting money in the microwave, gets more attention than other stuff he talks about. | ||
| I mean, now there's a big debate, are there RFIDs in the money? | ||
| I think the fact that the money exploded or popped like firecrackers... | ||
| It's just an illustration of, man, this is some weird money. | ||
| I mean, it's really a novelty, but people latch on to stories like that. | ||
| I mean, we'll post a photograph, and that'll get a million viewers, and then, you know, some government document from the Library of Congress about how the government engineered AIDS, and they say they engineered it in 1968 or 1975, and they say it's a soft-kill weapon, and they describe it, and we post that, and it gets, you know, 10,000 people look at it in a month. | ||
| So this also speaks to what captures people's attention. | ||
| And it's certainly images, you know, exploding towers with jetliners flying into them. | ||
| You know, that gets people's attention. | ||
| That's why the globalists did that. | ||
| And so somehow we've got to shift our minds into, you know, really becoming upset about bills and legislation and things like that. | ||
| Because if we could get people as excited about the Patriot Act 1 and 2 and what's in it as we could about exploding $20 bills, then we would get this country back. | ||
| But people like visual things. | ||
| They like sports. | ||
| They like gladiatorial diversions. | ||
| So on a descriptive level, Alex is right about the dynamic that he's describing. | ||
| Essentially that... | ||
| Sensationalism sells. | ||
| He's accurately assessed a problem with how human attention operates, and at this point, he's at least pretending to want to solve that problem by encouraging people to pay attention to the more boring, less sensational stories that are actually possibly more substantive. | ||
| But we know how Alex's career has progressed since then, and I think that this frustration that he's discussing, it might have played some part, possibly even subconscious, as a part in his path. | ||
| Instead of trying to get people Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he's aware that that $20 bill in the microwave doesn't mean anything. | ||
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No, no. | |
| This is just something that's visually interesting to people. | ||
| That's some weird money. | ||
| Yeah, there's probably some magnesium in the little strip or something. | ||
| Some weird money. | ||
| It's not complicated. | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| I mean, that's also a weird thing to say. | ||
| Oh, man, this is some weird money. | ||
| Like, I don't understand. | ||
| It's just, okay, but fine, but fine, but fine. | ||
| If that's your thesis. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some weird money. | ||
| All money is weird when you really think about it. | ||
| I mean, the thing about the subconscious element of it is, I mean, he knows that his bills and shit aren't real, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, the sensational stuff isn't real. | ||
| Or at least it is real in the sense that you can watch that bill light on fire. | ||
| You're saying that the bills and legislation and the government admitting that AIDS is a soft kill bioweapon. | ||
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That's not true. | |
| Yeah, that stuff's not real either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's more densely boring in terms of, like, trying to look into it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you were going to go ahead and read those... | ||
| Bullshit articles about non-existent bills and stuff that he's talking about, that is dry. | ||
| That is not really all that interesting. | ||
| You will come to some greater truth if you approach it and actually read the stuff critically. | ||
| But it is more fun to just investigate whether or not money gets weird in the oven. | ||
| Yeah, and if there's only positive consequences for leaning into the sensationalism and negative consequences for leaning into the boring stuff... | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Well, and especially realizing that all you really have to do is pace lip service to the more, like, substantive stuff and be like, it's all there, it's all in the white papers, and then people just give you credit for having talked about or understanding any of that deep stuff. | ||
| He gets credit for doing research by complaining that people aren't looking at the research he didn't do. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they're too busy... | ||
| Talking about the microwaved money that he's been spending days talking about. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Yes, that is the dynamic. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| So I have bad news. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| You ever been to the Piggly Wiggly? | ||
| I don't think so, no. | ||
| What's the Piggly Wiggly? | ||
| It's like a convenience store kind of thing. | ||
| Oh, then yeah. | ||
| Piggly Wiggly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Turns out very soon after this episode. | ||
| You started to have to thumbprint to buy and sell there. | ||
| The mark of the beast has come to the Piggly Wiggly. | ||
| Goddammit. | ||
| I told you this. | ||
| I've been telling you this for six years since I learned of it, but now it's coming. | ||
| It's like I told people in 97 that HEB was involved with the Feds, the big grocery store chain in Texas, and was going to be putting in thumb scanners to track and trace and control you for the new sales tax, and they have announced it is official. | ||
| It's gone in in some stores in Houston. | ||
| College Station two years ago, a bunch of HEB stores in Austin in three weeks are putting them in. | ||
| And Piggly Wiggly, there's a big World Net Daily article that Piggly Wiggly and its stores are putting them in. | ||
| If you use credit card or check at the checkout counter, you're going to have to thumb scan Piggly Wiggly. | ||
| Safeway, Kroger, Target, Walmart. | ||
| Just I hope you enjoy it. | ||
| Just I hope you enjoy it. | ||
| I do have the article here from News 8. Police were federalized and then put under UN control two days ago, a bunch of them. | ||
| Wow, that's a whole lot of stuff that didn't happen that he's saying condescendingly. | ||
| Yeah, in a real dickish way. | ||
| That's a real Tucker-ass shit to say. | ||
| 19 years later, you can pay with cards anywhere without thumb scanning. | ||
| Listen, let's all just decide what the Mark of the Beast is and then... | ||
| Get it. | ||
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Okay? | |
| I'm tired of trying to figure out what is the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| I feel like we all are. | ||
| It's Cheeto fingers. | ||
| Let's just do it. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Everybody has Cheeto dust now. | ||
| That's the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| But as long as we all have it. | ||
| Because you know why. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the new version of Chester Cheetah was the Beast. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| He was all pranking everybody, trying to run his... | ||
| His Cheeto dust-covered fingers on people's white clothes and stuff. | ||
| So, I mean, you're just describing Ashton Kocher after having eaten Cheetos. | ||
| You became possessed. | ||
| You became possessed by the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| The Cheetah. | ||
| It's all making sense now. | ||
| Finally. | ||
| Okay, so we can put the whole Mark of the Beast thing to rest. | ||
| It's Cheeto fingers. | ||
| I might have played this. | ||
| I think on an intellectual level, I wanted to play this clip because... | ||
| It's an example of these predictions that Alex makes, and his tone is so just snarky, and like, hope you enjoy, and then it's all stuff that didn't happen. | ||
| But... | ||
| I think emotionally I just wanted to hear him say Piggly Wiggly. | ||
| I really liked it! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was quite enjoyable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially, that was the one that, okay, so the tone was fine if you're saying Piggly Wiggly in that tone of voice. | ||
| There's something incredibly funny about condescending to me and saying Piggly Wiggly. | ||
| Patriots, I regret to inform you that the Piggly Wiggly has fallen. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The globalists have taken the Piggly Wiggly. | ||
| I'm sorry, are we no longer allowed in the Piggly Wigglies anymore? | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| I also was desperately trying to come up with a way that I could make HEB an acronym for a government entity. | ||
| I couldn't do it in real time. | ||
| So, you have a car. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Does it ever turn into a robot and lock you inside it? | ||
| No, it unfortunately does not. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| Another prediction Alex got wrong. | ||
| God dang it. | ||
| I've probably aired this neocon star bit about 20 times. | ||
| He has. | ||
| Because according to the federal documents, the guests, members of Congress, people from the different legislatures I've had on about this, this is actually, minus the mobile injections, what life will be like. | ||
| Your car will lock you in it. | ||
| It will not start if you've got one parking ticket. | ||
| A camera will watch you in your car. | ||
| It's actually worse than this so-called dark humor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's this piece, this bit of comedy business called Neoconstar that Alex has played a hundred fucking times. | ||
| He says 20. That is a low estimate. | ||
| And it's sort of a skit. | ||
| Of somebody calling OnStar, but it's like NeoConStar. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And so it's like, hey, you need your national ID card. | ||
| Actually, why am I doing an impression of this? | ||
| I'm going to play part of it. | ||
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I don't know why I'm trying to recreate this stupid bit. | |
| It's nice to see it in advance, and then we'll see the real version. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| So yeah, Alex has this, and he's like... | ||
| This is what it's going to be like, man. | ||
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This is... | |
| I know I told you this is a terrible episode. | ||
| We haven't gotten to the horrible stuff yet. | ||
| There's a little bit of levity at the beginning, I guess. | ||
| But yeah, so here comes a little bit of that Neocon Star skit. | ||
| Here's the Neocon Star. | ||
| just one more time, because Toyota has actually rolled out one of these and says, the government wants this, and so they're providing it, and this will be the new car that we all use. | ||
| And basically it is a mirror image, actually a little bit worse in several cases than this humor of two months ago. | ||
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The following is an actual conversation between a Neoconstar operator and a subscriber in distress who is locked in her car and doesn't have the proper authorization to get out. | |
| With NeoconStar, help is just a satellite away. | ||
| NeoconStar, how can I offer you great service today? | ||
| Help me, I'm trapped in my car. | ||
| My retina scanner won't work. | ||
| Just relax, sir. | ||
| It's not sir, it's ma 'am. | ||
| Please hurry, it's hot in here. | ||
| According to Admiral Poindexter's database, I have you at the Monsanto Mart on 2nd Street. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have a live shot of you from the Neocon Star Observation Blampia area. | ||
| I'm an old lady. | ||
| Well, she's an old lady, folks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| For some reason... | ||
| Some of those files have been hiccuping on us. | ||
| So, Stephanie, you know what's going on? | ||
| No, we've had someone in the computer hacking up the audio. | ||
| That's pure genius. | ||
| We have another one. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| Now we have it for you, my friends. | ||
| Yeah, start it over for us. | ||
| Here's Neocon Star. | ||
| From the top! | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| So it ends up like the Neocon Star operator is going to send people to kill her because she is maybe a terrorist because she can't find her card or something. | ||
| And then they offer her a lethal injection and she takes it. | ||
| So that's the end of the bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not really a well-constructed bit. | ||
| No, but man, you could see the little Monsanto Mart, Admiral Poindexter's database. | ||
| You see all these things that are like, I get it. | ||
| If you're a conspiracy theorist, you're like, aha, I know what you're talking about. | ||
| That's the problem with being... | ||
| That's playing for the back of the room. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| It's all for the back of the room, and it's not funny. | ||
| This is comedian's comedian stuff. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's for people who are just excited to hear the thing that they know and go, wee! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| It's not a bit! | ||
| There's no turn. | ||
| It's high level. | ||
| There's no turn. | ||
| Yes, there is a turn. | ||
| She decides that she wants to die in that car by lethal injection instead of waiting for the troops to come and kill her. | ||
| Explain to me how that's a turn. | ||
| It's a twist. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just a reasonable outcome of the accepted logic within the bit. | ||
| Nobody is acting out of the ordinary. | ||
| I mean, in the... | ||
| Constructed reality that they've established. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is just a totally normal conversation. | ||
| It doesn't... | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| It seems to be a robot. | ||
| For one thing. | ||
| That was another issue I had. | ||
| It seems to be an AI. | ||
| Why was that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why were any of those choices? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But Alex has played it a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I've heard it a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I believe you. | ||
| Does it get funnier? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is what's gonna happen, though. | ||
| This is obviously where we are in 2023. | ||
| Lethal injection machines in cars. | ||
| What I find funny about this is, in a sense, we are being watched in our cars by our phones. | ||
| Our phones are always listening to us. | ||
| They are always recording the things that we say. | ||
| And there are a number of public and private... | ||
| Video cameras all over the place where you're driving. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| There are lights, you know, like you can get a ticket if you run a red light and stuff. | ||
| You know, yeah, there are issues. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not with the car. | ||
| No, no, what's funny to me, though, is that all of these things are stuff he's like, oh, yeah, this is totally fine. | ||
| You know, in the conception of his, like, right now in 2004. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he was screaming like, eventually your phone's going to be listening to you all the time and it's going to pick up keywords that you say and then the next time you search for something, they're going to recognize that you said that and then they're going to spit it back out at you. | ||
| They're always watching, man. | ||
| He may do that on other episodes and at other times. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Right, but that would sound like a government overreach, crazy globalist murder thing. | ||
| He says stuff like your refrigerator is listening to you and stuff like that, less than the iPhone can say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think it's a little excessive. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| I mean, the thing that's funny about it is that it is completely just, like, paved over. | ||
| You know, like, hey, we already... | ||
| Hey, listen, we already all have our phones. | ||
| There's nothing we can do about it. | ||
| Anyways, moving on. | ||
| No globalist conspiracy is just like... | ||
| Hey, we shouldn't have these phones. | ||
| Just no phones. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let's go back to rotaries. | ||
| I mean, that's if you don't want them to watch you. | ||
| But even so, you are transposing onto this what is your kind of valid awareness about the world, which is that there is this monitoring and capability that exists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas Alex is like, if you don't pay your parking tickets, your car will lock you inside it. | ||
| You know, like, that's the dystopian stuff that's like... | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Alright. | ||
| He has a very unreasonable dystopia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it would be counterproductive. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Even for the people who are trying to collect on these parking tickets. | ||
| What are they doing locking you inside your car? | ||
| That's the least place you can pay for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unless the people come, they show up. | ||
| And then you have to give them the money to get out of the car. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then, like, what? | ||
| Are you going to take someone to debtor's prison? | ||
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| Or are you going to let them die in the car? | ||
| No, your car is debtor's prison. | ||
| Now, are you going to take them to an ATM if that's what they need? | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, how do they get the money to pay you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Thumbscan. | ||
| But we got an article that's backing Alex up on this stuff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's Wired Magazine today, and then I have another one here. | ||
| Out of another major newspaper reporting on the same thing. | ||
| And it says, Melbourne, Australia. | ||
| At the Melbourne Motor Show last week, Toyota unveiled a controversial concept car that would very closely monitor and in some cases restrict the action of its driver, including refusing to turn on. | ||
| To drive the sleek Toyota Sports TiVo, a driver would have to enter a memory card into its console, turn on the engine, Based on the driver's experience and driving record, the car adjusts its engine performance, cutting back for motorists with less experience or spotty driving records. | ||
| See, it's to save the children. | ||
| Drivers of the future who have grown up in the electronic age of heavy remote speed camera enforcement measures and electronic tollway charging systems are accepting of new technology that assists their lifestyle as a way of monitoring a Toyota press release says about the car. | ||
| It's essential for drivers to be fully informed in this area of increasing electronic surveillance. | ||
| And when we get back, I mean, it says you'll be watched by cameras. | ||
| Everything you do will be controlled. | ||
| You will submit. | ||
| You may have caught there that Alex said that that was a concept car. | ||
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| And that means that this is a car that wasn't actually made and produced. | ||
| It was just a modeling of an idea that someone had. | ||
| In this case, the concept was largely shaped by, quote, input from 14 to 18-year-olds in Australia who were giving some of their thoughts about features that might be helpful in a car. | ||
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| One of their ideas was a speedometer that would change its display when you were getting close to the speed limit so you'd be able to tell more precisely how fast you were driving. | ||
| This obviously couldn't be done because the car would need to automatically know what the speed limit was, where you're driving, but the idea is kind of interesting. | ||
| You know, I remember back when... | ||
| They put it into work in F1 cars now. | ||
| I remember back when I had a... | ||
| Uh, like a Oldsmobile. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like an old car. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Didn't have a digital speedometer, for sure. | ||
| The old red line, yeah. | ||
| You don't know exactly where you're going. | ||
| That needle isn't precise. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, you used to be able to get pulled over and say, I don't know how fast I was going, and they'd be like, yeah, that's a totally reasonable thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You might have been six, seven miles an hour over, and it's just because of the needle. | ||
| Yeah, the needle's weird. | ||
| So, you know, they had some ideas, but it wasn't really good. | ||
| The car was designed by a 29-year-old guy who worked at Toyota with a concept aided by teenagers going to market research sessions. | ||
| And Alex is over here on air trying to act like Soros himself designed this car. | ||
| He's going to force everyone to drive one within a matter of years. | ||
| It's ridiculous when you know what he's basing this bullshit on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I mean, it's even more ridiculous when you're like, this is a private company. | ||
| They can't force you to drive this car. | ||
| No, but see, here's the thing. | ||
| The government is having the private company do this in order for them to soft release all of the stuff that they're going to force on you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's why 18-year-olds introduced this in Australia. | ||
| They got a lot of globalist 18-year-olds in Australia. | ||
| So many. | ||
| Do they recruit younger down there? | ||
| What's the age you graduate high school? | ||
| Is it 14? | ||
| Isn't the drinking age lower there? | ||
| So is the globalist age. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So there's another story that Alex is covering on this episode, and here's where things start to get real shitty. | ||
| I was about to say, this is probably where it's going to go bad. | ||
| So there's another story, and it is about AIDS medication being given to children in a hospital in New York. | ||
| And there's some sensational coverage of it that Alex is doing, and so now he has a guest on. | ||
| We've got a few minutes before we break. | ||
| Let's just go ahead and bring the doctor up. | ||
| Dr. Razanik, good to have you on the show. | ||
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| This is hard to face, but there's a bunch of different facets to this story, isn't there? | ||
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Yes, there's the drugs, there's the children being treated with these drugs against their will, it's the children who are being taken away from their parents and put in these institutions. | |
| Parents refuse to treat them with these drugs. | ||
| It just goes on and on. | ||
| So, this guy, his name is David Raznick, and that's not a household name, but it is in a very specific community, namely the AIDS denialist community. | ||
| He's a big figure in the world of folks who don't believe HIV is real or that it doesn't lead to AIDS, and he's done a ton of damage to a lot of people. | ||
| One of his big ideas is that antiretroviral drugs meant to manage AIDS or HIV are actually the cause of the condition, and that the real cure is some super cool... | ||
| He went so far with his big ideas to take a trip to South Africa where he would actively discourage people from seeking treatment from hospitals or clinics, instead saying they should take his vitamins. | ||
| He also even discouraged people from getting tested. | ||
| He was working for a company that sold the vitamins in the capacity of running fraudulent clinical trials aiming at proving the vitamins efficacy, which the South African government would later declare illegal. | ||
| Here he is on Alex's show discussing a story about the Child Protective Services supposedly running illegal drug trials on children, all the while he's running illegal drug trials in South Africa. | ||
| Also, as recently as 2006, it was reported that he advised people that HIV, quote, cannot be transmitted between heterosexuals. | ||
| So this guy's an expert. | ||
| You know, the shittiest part about American history is that the solution is actually the problem is the oldest con in the history of... | ||
| I mean, it's absurdly... | ||
| The solution? | ||
| Nah, that's actually what's killing you. | ||
| The people trying to help are hurting you. | ||
| The people who are hurting you are actually the saviors. | ||
| Up is down. | ||
| And it's all because you're struggling and in so much pain and fucked up and all that stuff. | ||
| And you'd rather... | ||
| And a lot of times you aren't getting the help that people should be providing. | ||
| So the underlying story here that Alex is covering is about a New York Post article involving research and care that was done with foster children being given HIV AIDS medication. | ||
| They weren't given it for no reason, as Alex and his guest may want to suggest. | ||
| These were all kids with HIV-AIDS, and many of them were severely ill and wouldn't have had access to any treatment outside the program due to financial hardship. | ||
| The whole thing gets a little bit messy, so I'm going to try and sum it up as concisely as I can. | ||
| This story got some traction here around this point in 2004, and then in 2005, the BBC put out a special called The Guinea Pig Kids that stirred up a lot of public concern. | ||
| in response the vera institute of justice launched an investigation of the claims made in that documentary and got to the bottom of it this all had to do with this program at the incarnation children's center in new york and ultimately 532 of these children were involved in trials of approved medications like for instance they were approved until Right. | ||
| Necessarily. | ||
| Right. | ||
| After, quote, interviewing dozens of people involved in the trials and reviewing hundreds of thousands of pages of case files, documents and correspondence, the Vera Institute announced the conclusion of their work in 2009. | ||
| They found that no children died as a result of the medications they were given. | ||
| They found that no foster children were removed from their families because they wouldn't consent to treatment, which you can hear Raznick assert here. | ||
| And that is one of the big things they hang their hat on in terms of their claims. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then also Raznick is a bad source on this stuff because he thinks that just giving appropriate medication for HIV or AIDS is actually hurting these children. | ||
| That's something that isn't even unpacked on Alex's show, which is a very important variable in terms of having this person as a guest. | ||
| So, I will say, the investigation did come up with some concerning points. | ||
| This story is not entirely without some criticism. | ||
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| For one thing, they weren't able to find the official consent forms for all of the children who participated. | ||
| The New York Times does note that, quote, the state's Department of Health refused Vera's request to review medical records, which might have included some additional consents. | ||
| That's an open question, and also they found, in some cases, consent forms that were handwritten, which isn't in line with policy, but could indicate informed consent was given. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Pretty inappropriate way to... | ||
| Any number of reasons. | ||
| Bad bookkeeping. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That makes... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. | ||
| There were some questions about this entire affair, and most of it was from an admin perspective. | ||
| But ultimately, when all of the investigation was concluded, the claims that sensationalist assholes made about this were all found to be bogus. | ||
| And so all of the stuff that they're talking about here on Alex's show and shit, nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Incidentally, even before that full investigation concluded, the BBC was forced to make a big public apology about that guinea pig kid special. | ||
| They were roundly criticized for distorting facts and strangely only presenting the viewpoints of notorious AIDS denialists. | ||
| It should shock nobody at this point for me to reveal that one of the experts that was interviewed on that show David Rasnick, the pile of shit who's talking to Alex here in 2004. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So he is on to talk about a story that he's misrepresenting. | |
| Misrepresenting and doing a very... | ||
| He's played a big role in miscovering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And gaining attention based on those erroneous claims that he's making. | ||
| I wanted to start a fight based on guinea pig kids. | ||
| That's a fucking disrespectful... | ||
| I mean, that's already fucked up. | ||
| You titled it the guinea pig kids and you're talking about... | ||
| I mean, they're children! | ||
| Sick with HIV! | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Now, I don't know if the name is really that inappropriate were some of the claims to be more accurate. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| If it was about a giant scandal where you were testing unknown medications on unwitting children, then maybe that name would have been more appropriate. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's not shown that that's the case. | ||
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Yeah, that's fucked. | |
| So, these guys are just liars. | ||
| A lot of these children die from the drugs. | ||
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Of course they will. | |
| And the ones that don't die are injured. | ||
| Many people may not know this, but prescription drugs used properly, already FDA drugs used properly, kill 100,000 Americans every year and seriously injure over 2 million. | ||
| Now, that's drugs that are already passed FDA approval. | ||
| Now, imagine what the unknowns are with these experimental drugs and procedures that are going on in these institutions. | ||
| Now, I've talked to a lot of doctors, a lot of scientists, and they say that a lot of these AIDS drugs, somebody will be healthy, they go on them, and they're dead a year later, but the drugs are killing the people. | ||
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Of course they are. | |
| Wow, so I guess that's actually Alex's view, too. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Don't people get letters from lawyers about this? | ||
| The BBC did. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't the attorney general have some job of like, hey, don't do this, you're killing people? | ||
| You know what's kind of... | ||
| Weird, along with money, is that I kind of had a sense that Alex had some of these views, and especially because John Rappaport definitely has those. | ||
| He's written books about HIV not being real and stuff. | ||
| But I've not really heard, I don't think, Alex be that explicit. | ||
| Just straight out... | ||
| All prescription medications will kill you if you take them. | ||
| Well, AIDS medications will give you... | ||
| That's what's causing the condition or whatever. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| That's so heartbreaking. | ||
| Also, 100,000... | ||
| People, let's say, you know, for the sake of, let's stipulate, that's how many people die from prescription drugs every year. | ||
| How many people would die if we just didn't have any prescription drugs? | ||
| Uh, 50,000. | ||
| See? | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| But it'd be a completely different 50,000 people. | ||
| I can test that that number would be substantially higher. | ||
| Yeah, it would be significantly higher. | ||
| I think this is all just, um, anti-science, quite frankly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| The fucking shit that AIDS did to people is, I mean, that anybody could not treat it with the same seriousness as the fucking pandemic is bananas to me. | ||
| Well, it's not too surprising then that the same people are playing the same games. | ||
| Yeah, and more offensively, to boot. | ||
| So then I guess the question becomes, what about Magic Johnson? | ||
| What about that guy? | ||
| That is a good question. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| And how come Magic Johnson doesn't need them? | ||
| He announced to us that, oh, I don't need any of this now. | ||
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Well, yeah, I mean, he started taking the drugs, I think, over a decade ago, and they made him sick, and he stopped taking them. | |
| I'm sorry? | ||
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And it's pretty clear that as long as he doesn't take the drugs, he's going to stay healthy and walk around. | |
| He doesn't actually ever admit publicly that he is taking these drugs, but he implies it. | ||
| You know, you see these billboards at the subway station in San Francisco and other places that give the clear implication that Magic Johnson... | ||
| But I remember years ago when he said I'm going off of him. | ||
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Well, he did. | |
| He said I don't need it anymore. | ||
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Well, he absolutely did because they were very toxic and he was a healthy guy. | |
| Healthy people really don't need drugs. | ||
| Good Lord. | ||
| Stay there, doctor. | ||
| So this is a particularly insidious thing to lie about, because Magic Johnson has made it a part of his career's mission to help educate the public about HIV and AIDS, and what Alex and Raznick are doing here is attempting to undo what Magic has worked for. | ||
| One of the big things that Magic stresses in almost all of his interviews is that he is not cured and that his condition is as manageable as it is because of the medications he takes. | ||
| He's not said that he's fine and doesn't need the drugs, but he has trimmed down on the amount of medication he needs to take and his HIV viral load is at an undetectable level, again because of his medication, which he's very clear about. | ||
| In a frontline interview Magic did in 2011, exactly 20 years after he made his big public announcement about contracting HIV, he discusses his experience with medication. | ||
| Magic is asked if he ever had any side effects, and he replied, quote, I never had any side effects. | ||
| I'm one of those, and I think what helped me, too, is I kept working out. | ||
| And when it could have been tough for me in terms of that, I really busted through that tough period because I wasn't going to let it get me. | ||
| So, I don't know what... | ||
| This guy is talking about Razek. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| In that same interview, Magic is asked what some of the myths are that needed to be dispelled about HIV. | ||
| And the first thing he says is literally, quote, not taking your meds, it'll be okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the first thing he says. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is complete bullshit about Magic Johnson. | ||
| Now, this isn't to say that, you know... | ||
| I just feel like if what you're saying kills people, it's bad. | ||
| Oh, Jordan. | ||
| Oh, Jordan. | ||
| I think it's bad if you say things that lead to people dying of the things. | ||
| Oh, Jordan. | ||
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Why do I feel stupid for saying that? | |
| Why does that always happen? | ||
| Oh, just because this next clip's going to make it worse. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, Dr. Ravnick, God bless you for what you're doing. | ||
| Godspeed. | ||
| Is there any place where we can read any of your writings? | ||
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The Internet. | |
| If you do a Google search, you'll find a lot of my name there. | ||
| But one place you can go is www.duesberg.com. | ||
| We've got a lot of our articles on there. | ||
| www.duesberg.com, and we'll get a link to that on Infowars.com. | ||
| We've got a link to the New York Post exposing this as well on the website. | ||
| Can we have you back on sometime, Dr. Resnick? | ||
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| I'd be happy to do it. | ||
| I'd like to have you on just on the AIDS scam itself. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| The AIDS scam. | ||
| So that website, Dewsburg.com, that Raznick is plugging and Alex is directing his audience to, is the homepage of one of the world's highest profile AIDS denialists, Peter Dewsburg. | ||
| In the year 2000, South African President Thabo Mbeki convened an advisory panel on HIV and AIDS. | ||
| There were 44 members on this panel, and it included Peter Dewsburg. | ||
| Dewsburg doesn't really believe that AIDS and HIV are real, and to the extent they are, it's a byproduct of drug use. | ||
| One of the primary culprits he points to is poppers, which is really interesting because a clip was circulating recently of presidential candidate RFK Jr. suggesting that AIDS is caused by poppers. | ||
| These ideas are insane and dangerous, but they're not really as far outside the mainstream as we would like to believe. | ||
| Anyway, Dewsburg was the most prominent AIDS denialist on Mbeki's panel, and the government would drag their feet on supporting the use of antiretroviral drugs, going so far as to not accept donations and grants towards that end. | ||
| A study in 2008, published in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, estimated that at least 330,000 deaths were attributable to that five-year delay, which was in part influenced by the panel where Dewsburg was the chief denialist. | ||
| So, when you're talking about, you know, things that cause death, or, you know, let's say maybe not cause death, but eliminate the possibility of saving lives, or however you want to put it. | ||
| You know, this is just another one of those things that we refuse to reckon with. | ||
| Like, the AIDS crisis was an act... | ||
| Of violence towards the LGBTQ community. | ||
| And nobody's dealt with that. | ||
| Like, nobody's dealt with the fact that governments all over the world willingly laughed. | ||
| Because, fuck it, you know? | ||
| Oh, no, this is a disease for those people. | ||
| And just didn't... | ||
| I mean, it's fucked up. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Nobody reckons with that. | ||
| Nobody is like, oh, okay, I can't believe that we're still so homophobic without saying, oh yeah, 30 years ago, you could laugh at people for dying of AIDS. | ||
| You could just laugh at them. | ||
| Be like, see, this is what you get. | ||
| Yes, of course we're still a fucking homophobic nation. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, it takes a while and a lot of intent to recover from that. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| As a culture. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| See, I hate this guy. | ||
| I fucking hate this guy. | ||
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| The story that Alex is talking about, obviously there's a manipulation of a real story and it's far more complicated than... | ||
| Any kind of discussion that he's having. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the points that he's making are nonsense bullshit. | ||
| But then, just this guy presenting him as any kind of person you should look up to is... | ||
| It's uncautionable. | ||
| I would rather him have piss doctor group, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Piss doc on, quite frankly. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Although, I'm sure he probably has some... | ||
| Fucked up beliefs about HIV, too. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine that we don't want to get any of them talking on this subject at all, for any length of time. | ||
| Yeah, Dr. Group probably thinks that pee solves everything. | ||
| Do you know what I think they think? | ||
| They think that. | ||
| That's what I can say. | ||
| Do you know what I think they think? | ||
| They think exactly that. | ||
| I don't need to hear them say it. | ||
| So, Alex takes calls for the rest of the show, and he also just rambles a bit. | ||
| Here he is talking about how the government's putting the digital straitjacket on everybody. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then listen to the way he describes the things that are going to happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It feels somewhat familiar to present-day stuff. | ||
| Folks, it is insane. | ||
| I sound nuts saying it, but then he said it. | ||
| You know, it's like Toyota in the mainstream news in Wired Magazine. | ||
| With cameras watching you, automatic breathalyzers tracking you, you've got to swipe your ID card to get it to start, retina scans, and now New York's about to pass the law. | ||
| I just learned that. | ||
| It's about to pass in New Mexico. | ||
| I mean, it's happening. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| This digital straitjacket's being put in place, and then the government's going to blow stuff up and say that there's a terror group who's against microchips. | ||
| And we've got to arrest anybody who's against the chip because they're the ones that released the bioweapon. | ||
| And then, oh, now, you know, a million Americans died from the weaponized smallpox. | ||
| We've all got to take the chip to prove that we're with the government. | ||
| As Andy Rooney said after 9-11, he said we should all have chips so we can prove we're with the good people. | ||
| Folks, I mean, I know this is horrible. | ||
| This is the Antichrist system. | ||
| It's all true. | ||
| It's now happening. | ||
| These pieces are the same. | ||
| The chip is the COVID vaccine. | ||
| The narratives that Alex has about false flags against the power grid and stuff like that are the same thing with the anti-chip terrorists. | ||
| Nothing really changes. | ||
| There's a lot of overlap and lack of creativity in terms of a lot of this. | ||
| And it sucks. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to really reconcile what we know to be true, which is that they just plug different words in the Mad Libs of things they say. | ||
| Slight variation. | ||
| It's jazz. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is. | ||
| It's bullshit jazz. | ||
| And it's like, how is it possible that we keep doing the same thing over and over and over again? | ||
| How is it possible that they can get away with it for so long? | ||
| There's constantly new people to trick, and most people don't want to deal with it once they... | ||
| Move on to the next thing. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Also, just a quick reminder, that Toyota story that he's talking about is the one about teens in Australia designing a concept car that never went to production and didn't have most of the features that Alex is rattling off about it. | ||
| That's the evidence of the government tightening the digital straitjacket on us, which seems like he's an overly dramatic fella here. | ||
| I mean, I have a key fob to get into my car. | ||
| That's essentially an ID card. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's not quite the same, because the stuff... | ||
| If I were to play the entirety of Alex's nightmarish view of this, it's like, not only do you have to do a breathalyzer, it assesses the air in your car, so if you wear too much cologne, it'll think you're drunk. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then also because a baby could like blow in your breathalyzer, it retina scans you to find out if you're drunk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then also like not Alex's paranoid fantasies, but part of this concept car was this idea of like you're talking about a key fob to get into your car. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's, you know, like an electronic entry aspect. | ||
| But what they're talking about is an idea of a chip that you can put in. | ||
| So it would, like, cars would be interchangeable almost. | ||
| So, like, you would have your profile or whatever on this card. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you'd put it in, and then the license plate would digitally show your license plate. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So if your friend was driving your car and got a ticket, they would be responsible for that. | ||
| That would be an interesting way to get rid of ownership of cars. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Drive a car, park it somewhere, and then the next person when they need a car, they'll get in the car and it'll be their license plate and they'll keep going. | ||
| I think this is actually kind of a good idea. | ||
| So long as we don't own anything. | ||
| There's aspects to it that I think solve some problems and are kind of interesting. | ||
| But also the implementation of it is ridiculously complicated. | ||
| Yeah, that would not be possible. | ||
| But... | ||
| Again, for fantasies, that would be a great idea. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Alex gets a call, and I think this guy has some antisemitic conspiracy theories he's trying to poke at while Alex is trying to not engage fully. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| I posted the Providence Journal, News 10, NBC. | ||
| I mean, I didn't say it. | ||
| The newspaper said it. | ||
| It said, flying anything but an American flag, you will be charged as a terrorist. | ||
| Criticize the government. | ||
| You'll be charged as a terrorist. | ||
| I mean, it said it. | ||
| And then when he got some heat on it, he said, I hadn't read it. | ||
| I don't know why you're so upset. | ||
| I mean, they're just trying anything and everything right now. | ||
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In communist Russia, first the Jews got you in the gulag, then they killed you with malnutrition and disease. | |
| So the police state gulag system goes hand-in-hand with the death camps and become the death camps. | ||
| Now explain that, because Hitler had death camps and put a lot of people in it, including a lot of Jews, and you're saying that Russia was run by Jews, but Stalin arrested a bunch of Jews. | ||
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Right, and Stalin had three Jewish wives, and Hitler was a Jew, but Stalin killed ten times more than Hitler, and the Jews were running that program. | |
| When Stalin tried to kill the Jews in the death camps, then the Jewish doctors killed Stalin. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| Man. | ||
| See, man, I don't know. | ||
| I don't think Alex is up to having that debate with this guy. | ||
| I think Alex is gonna... | ||
| He got off the topic pretty quick after this. | ||
| I think once you hear, well, Hitler was a Jew, you should just be like, we're done. | ||
| That's all good. | ||
| I can tell what you're about. | ||
| You said everything that you needed to say, and I don't want to say anything at all. | ||
| Yeah, especially if your tone is like that. | ||
| You're a scary man! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, Alex, in this next clip, he's talking about a racially motivated murder that happened in 1998, and making some stuff up. | ||
| And it's pretty fucking shitty. | ||
| I mean, the answer really is don't watch Peter Jennings and Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and the people on Fox and their fake left-right garbage unless you want to know what the enemy's pushing and doing and spinning. | ||
| I mean, you find the truth on the AP and Reuters newswires, but that stuff never gets past the gatekeepers. | ||
| All the reporters aren't bad. | ||
| They just wonder why. | ||
| I wonder why I never go anywhere. | ||
| You know, the AP reporter that wrote the story about how five black men drug a white man to death in Jasper, Texas. | ||
| They said, oh, we're going to pay you back. | ||
| And I called the sheriff and said, I got this AP article from January 14, 2002. | ||
| I'd like to have you on. | ||
| He said, I can't come on and talk about that. | ||
| I'd be accused of being a racist. | ||
| Click. | ||
| So, see, we all have this unwritten rule, and you're saying, well, what are you talking about? | ||
| You go from implantable microchips to black people dragging a white man to death until his head came off. | ||
| Well, the point is, you all heard about him dragging the poor black man, Mr. King, I forget his name, drug him to death until his head came off, and they were in prison together in gang wars together, and it's horrible what happened to him. | ||
| Five black guys drug an old white man to death, walking down the same strip of highway. | ||
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Why? | |
| There's a white guy! | ||
| Let's kill a white! | ||
| And they do it, and the whole media knows. | ||
| I mean, what a human interest story. | ||
| Blacks kill a white on the same stretch of road? | ||
| Let's not. | ||
| But the AP reporter thought, well, that's an interesting article, writes it. | ||
| I get the AP article. | ||
| No one ever reports on it. | ||
| I called the sheriff. | ||
| I'm not going to come on and talk about it. | ||
| We don't talk about it. | ||
| That's a smart sheriff. | ||
| He knows the rules. | ||
| So one of the things that I find really telling about Alex's recollection about this story is that he has exactly one specific detail. | ||
| He doesn't remember the name of the black man who was lynched by being dragged behind a truck by white supremacists in 1998. | ||
| He remembers the name of John King, the white supremacist who was the ringleader of that murder. | ||
| This is the person who Alex ascribes an identity to. | ||
| He's the person who has personhood, who isn't just a black or a white. | ||
| That's not insignificant. | ||
| Alex knows who that guy is. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| That murder was not due to some kind of a jailhouse fight. | ||
| Alex is just lying based on the detail that King and one of his accomplices joined a white supremacist gang while they were in prison prior to the murder. | ||
| It was pretty clear why they did what they did based on statements that they made after the fact and based on how they intentionally left his torso in front of a black church. | ||
| The sheriff at the time was Billy Rolls, who retired in 2019 after 50 years on the force. | ||
| He seems like a pretty frank guy. | ||
| In 2011, he was reflecting on the media attention that he got after this murder. | ||
| The guy's name was James Bird. | ||
| We've talked about that in the past. | ||
| And that's why I'm not going into a great detail. | ||
| And the details of it are fucking horrific. | ||
| But when he was reflecting on the media attention, this sheriff Rolls said, quote, You know, everybody came out here expecting to find a racist community and a redneck sheriff. | ||
| A pot-bellied, snuff-dipping, beer-drinking sheriff that was a bigot. | ||
| Most of that was alright, but I wasn't a bigot. | ||
| That's kind of fun. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's mocking himself a little bit. | ||
| Hey, I gotcha. | ||
| I honestly have no idea what revenge murder Alex is talking about where five black men killed a white guy, and from all the digging I've done, I can find literally no evidence of this happening. | ||
| If someone knows what he's talking about, I would be open to hearing what that is. | ||
| But, like, I've seen interviews with Sheriff Rolls reflecting on the murder and the aftermath, and I think if there were a revenge copycat murder, it seems like a relevant part of the aftermath, but nothing like that ever comes up. | ||
| I suspect that Alex read some headlines about how the town was scared about more violence occurring because the Klan decided that they wanted to do a rally in Jasper, and that brought out folks like Khalid Muhammad and the New Black Panthers, so tensions were really high. | ||
| I have a feeling that Alex just came up with a story in his head that allowed him to minimize the gravity of this actual lynching because he's heavily invested in not believing that racist white people exist. | ||
| And if by some unimaginable fluke one does exist, they're one to one balanced out by a racist black person. | ||
| Of course, the tragedy is that this lack of evidence of this other murder happening, it wouldn't hurt the audience's faith in Alex's narrative. | ||
| The lack of evidence would simply be proof of how good the cover-up was that Alex is also alleging is happening here. | ||
| So, it's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it is... | ||
| he's talking like segregation is still going on. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And I don't know if he thinks it's not. | ||
| Hard to say. | ||
| You know, like, the way he's talking is so George Wallace-y. | ||
| Like, that just... | ||
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Woof! | |
| Woof! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| You know, we go back to that example all the time, but, like, seeing Muslim women at a pool supply shop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what is that other than I want them at a different pool supply shop? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They go to their own pool supply shop and I go to my own pool supply shop. | ||
| What is he expressing other than a refusal to have an integrated society? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, I don't know how it would be surprising if in 2004 he had opinions that were bordering on... | ||
| At least subconsciously or under the surface were powered by ideas of segregation. | ||
| I mean, but it is so stark. | ||
| It's so strange to hear. | ||
| I can't remember the last time I heard a conversation phrased in the terms of the blacks and the white. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That is really shocking. | ||
| It's not because I'm listening to Alex, but in the real world, someone saying stuff like that would be really, really fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The moment you did that would be like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's maybe one of the deficiencies of our show, is that we're dealing with Alex, and so the standards of what would be weird... | ||
| Socially? | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It just flies right off of our backs. | ||
| It's so far gone. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We have a hard time connecting with regular people now, don't we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, if I were critiquing him as a normal person, the second he says a black or a white... | ||
| Yeah, it'd be like, no, no, no, get this fuck out of here. | ||
| What? | ||
| But we're on episode 850 or whatever. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| Honestly, I think I would have just turned this off when he started getting into the AIDS denialist. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Fuck this guy. | ||
| I don't need this to be... | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, look, we got just, like, real bad sort of racist stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We got real bad AIDS denialist stuff. | ||
| Like, it's just... | ||
| I told you, it's a bad episode. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| It's bad stuff. | ||
| This is... | ||
| This is, you know, this is like one of those, an incredibly white supremacist episode and an all like white male supremacy episode. | ||
| But because it's never like out and out said, you know, you were like, oh, well, they talked about AIDS denialism. | ||
| Oh, well, they talked about this or all that stuff. | ||
| But the reality is this is a white male supremacist show today. | ||
| You know, like that's what it is on a fundamental level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I think that on some level, the AIDS denialism even runs into that. | ||
| You know, it intersects at a certain point. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's homophobia. | ||
| That's all in there. | ||
| You know, along with just sort of a hatred and disregard of the LGBTQ community, there's also a disease of other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the... | ||
| The way that HIV-AIDS is dealt with so often by even, I don't know, probably some well-meaning people too, but also folks like Alex, is that it's the other's disease. | ||
| There's a stigmatizing of whether it's gay people, or it's poor people, or it's minorities. | ||
| It's always... | ||
| We're viewed through that prism as opposed to our problem. | ||
| We are dealing with this. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I mean, in Europe, you know, the syphilis was everybody else's, you know, if you were French, it was the English disease. | ||
| If you were English, it was the French, you know. | ||
| It was everybody's other problem, you know. | ||
| It's all these gross people from elsewhere who are spreading this disease. | ||
| And it's a dehumanizing, fucked up thing to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that, you know, I mean, it sucks. | ||
| I think some of it's getting a little bit better now. | ||
| I think that there's progress being made. | ||
| People are trying. | ||
| But yeah, in 2004, not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Hard to remember exactly how shit people were back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I would imagine that there's even some voices that are not as horrible and awful as Alex that have some unevolved positions. | ||
| I imagine myself in 2004, I would have not a great handle on things. | ||
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Oh, totally. | |
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, fuck this dude. | ||
| Fuck this dude. | ||
| We have one last clip here, and Alex reveals how little he knows about the Constitution that he loves so much. | ||
| Because a caller is discussing about the possibility of getting an amendment into the Constitution that would not allow same-sex marriage. | ||
| Here's Alex's take. | ||
| Okay, anything else, sir? | ||
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What's your take on this Bush's plan to amend the Constitution to protect marriage? | |
| It's a total scam. | ||
| They tried the flag burning, too. | ||
| I mean, I'm not for homosexual marriage. | ||
| I'm not for burning flags. | ||
| But, you know, the freedom in America is the freedom to burn that flag. | ||
| That's what the flag symbolizes, the right to do that. | ||
| But it's a red herring. | ||
| If we get a constitutional convention, they can rewrite the whole Bill of Rights. | ||
| I guarantee you, if a ComCon starts, there will be a huge terror attack during the ComCon, and they'll throw out the entire Bill of Rights. | ||
| Guaranteed, that's the plan. | ||
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He didn't mention the con-con, but I think, you know, it's a joke. | |
| I mean, how do you think they get a constitutional amendment, sir? | ||
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They don't have to call for a convention. | |
| Congress adopts it to the states. | ||
| Well, that's what a con-con is. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Con-con. | ||
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No, there's an amendment between a constitutional convention. | |
| There's a difference between a convention and an amendment. | ||
| No, I mean, to get an amendment, it has to go to the states, and once that's open, the states can change everything. | ||
| What? | ||
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Well, anyway, you know, that's what we get for arresting these phony conservatives like Bush and Arnold. | |
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| I like him being like, wow, you don't know shit. | ||
| Well, anyways. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Well, anyways. | ||
| I mean, the caller is right that Alex is wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do like this idea, though, that, like... | ||
| Once the con-con is going, the states can rewrite everything. | ||
| It's a free-for-all. | ||
| Everybody steps into the ring. | ||
| There's 50 states. | ||
| Whichever state is left in the ring at the end of it, it's a constitutional rumble. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're not going to understand this fully, but it reminds me of the last episode of Lost. | ||
| The smoke monster can only be killed in his human form when the island is unplugged. | ||
| So they have to unplug the island for a small amount of time to kill the smoke monster, and then plug the island back in. | ||
| That's the con-con. | ||
| When they could stab the Bill of Rights. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Lost was actually about undoing the Constitution. | ||
| If we turn the Constitution off, then we can all tear it apart, red pen everywhere, scissors, and then the Constitution comes back on and we're all going to be like, wait, it's different now? | ||
| When a Constitutional Convention is going, that doesn't mean all laws are suspended. | ||
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All laws are fake now. | |
| I mean, if what you're describing is a page one rewrite, I agree. | ||
| We should be there. | ||
| That's not what... | ||
| He's not describing that. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| They can rewrite the Bill of Rights. | ||
| How? | ||
| A constitutional convention involves getting together and then people proposing amendments. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then maybe voting on it. | ||
| But that's never been done. | ||
| No! | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| No! | ||
| All of the amendments have happened a different way. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And Alex seems unaware of that. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Three-fourths of the states have to agree to get an amendment? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's three-fourths. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Might be six-eighths. | ||
| Could be. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| How far do you want to keep this going? | ||
| I thought you were going to do the next beat. | ||
| What, twelve-sixteenths? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Alex is stupid. | ||
| Doesn't even know his own, like, belly wick. | ||
| That's in his wheelhouse. | ||
| Yeah, that should be... | ||
| He should know this stuff. | ||
| A civics class would be so useful. | ||
| Like an adult... | ||
| A quotes class and a civics class. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I feel like I would be fine if there was like a... | ||
| Hey, everybody, on July 4th, 2025, we're all taking a civics class. | ||
| We're all going to watch it. | ||
| We're all going to agree what the Constitution does. | ||
| And then we're going to move forward. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I think that one of the issues that we have here is that, like, Alex isn't smart, but he was smart for a young kid, you know? | ||
| And then he just sort of coasted on that, and then never really worked on stuff, and never really learned how to think better, never really learned how to research, never learned any of those things that he probably could have... | ||
| been equipped with in a formal education of some sort. | ||
| And now he's just kind of operating on the intellectual abilities of a pretty... | ||
| Smart 12-year-old. | ||
| I was literally thinking that here's what happened. | ||
| He's like a fifth grader who would be in the gifted program. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| He's real smart for a fifth grader, but he's 50. No, somebody... | ||
| It's like you can see it in your mind, somebody being like, wow, Alex, you're really smart. | ||
| And then he stopped learning. | ||
| He was like, did it. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| I'm really smart now. | ||
| That's all I need to do. | ||
| I will be smart forever because I am smart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, there is a lot of essentialness to a lot of his beliefs. | ||
| So if you are smart, you will be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you will always be good at everything. | ||
| Yeah, that's great thinking. | ||
| That's great thinking. | ||
| It certainly made him a lot of money. | ||
| I mean, I wish that part weren't true. | ||
| That's the part that makes me angry. | ||
| But it will also lose him a lot of money. | ||
| That part I like. | ||
| That part is good. | ||
| That's a good part. | ||
| There is a bit of a cautionary tale, perhaps, and maybe we're just not to the part where there's the payoff yet. | ||
| The prestige. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta get there. | ||
| The conclusion of the story is yet to be written. | ||
| It's gotta happen. | ||
| I say have some faith. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| Hope and faith. | ||
| It springs eternal, that faith. | ||
| Not hope. | ||
| So, we come to the end of this, and this episode sucked. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Alex sucks. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Real pile of shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And we'll be back. | ||
| Wrap it up. | ||
| Don't know what else to say. | ||
| There's really not much else to say. | ||
| I hate this dude. | ||
| But we have a website. | ||
| Hey, dude, we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Blue Sky. | ||
| We are on Blue Sky at Knowledge Fight. | ||
| No, underscore. | ||
| No, underscore. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
| Clark. | ||
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Doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop. | |
| Woo, yeah! | ||
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Woo, yeah! | |
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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