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June 14, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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#817: June 8, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the day before Trump got indicted on the Alex Jones Show.  In this installment, Alex interviews three idiots, tells countless fictional stories about family members, and gleefully reflects on a time he punched a dog in the head.

Participants
Main voices
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alex jones
18:36
d
dan friesen
41:45
j
jordan holmes
21:00
Appearances
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pastor rodney howard-browne
01:20
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shane cashman
04:51
Clips
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dr peter mccullough
00:17
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Oh, my bright spot, Dan, is Janelle Monae has a new album out.
dan friesen
Hey, hooray, Janelle Monae.
jordan holmes
It's fantastic.
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
It rhymes with, hey, hooray, fantastic.
It's very good.
She's our generation's David Bowie at this point.
She is.
She's an Oscar-winning actor.
dan friesen
Does she have two different colored eyes?
Isn't that something Bowie was the claim to fame of his?
jordan holmes
He had erochromia?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
I couldn't look in his eyes too busy with the rest of him.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
There's a lot to drink in.
jordan holmes
He's a tall glass.
Tall glass!
dan friesen
So when is Janelle Monae going to come out with her Moon Age daydream?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe Archie Android is Moon Age daydream.
dan friesen
What about her Ground Control to Major Tom?
jordan holmes
I mean, I want to say that Django Jane was probably as close to a, like...
Sing-along style.
Listen, I understand that rapping can take many forms, but she was just talking.
That was very much talking.
dan friesen
What tracks of hers do you think will live on for really depressed weirdos to sing at karaoke?
jordan holmes
That one's a little bit harder to do.
That one I can't pull up.
She's more upbeat.
More on the happier side.
I mean, not happier so much as...
And frenetic.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's very energetic, yeah.
dan friesen
I've not heard that new album, but I will have to check it out.
I like her work in general.
jordan holmes
It's quite good.
dan friesen
Hooray.
Monet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
Anyways, what's your bright spot?
dan friesen
The rhyming is...
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That cannot be your bright spot.
dan friesen
I guess I'll go with some music as well.
Okay.
I don't know how it popped up.
Well, I have a suspicion of how it popped up on my YouTube recommendations.
But just some music from...
Like, I listen to...
I found music from Donkey Kong Country quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Like, a fair amount, because it's good.
David Wise, fantastic composer.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
I feel like you're defensive right out the gate.
dan friesen
I found somebody who made, like, you can use the sounds from Donkey Kong Country's soundtrack and then put them into other music.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I found a number of, like, songs and things that were done with the sounds from Donkey Kong Country.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And they're great.
jordan holmes
Like the, like, DJ Dave.
Danger Mouse.
Donkey Kong.
DJ Donkey Kong Mouse or something.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
Sure.
dan friesen
Funky Kong in that case probably.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
There was one that was in the air tonight by Phil Collins.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it works incredibly well except for when that beat.
That part's tough to do with Donkey Kong sounds.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That part's tough to do with Donkey Kong sounds.
It's not as huge of a drop.
jordan holmes
What other things are tough to do with Donkey Kong sounds?
dan friesen
So many things.
I'm sure Janelle Monae would have more difficulty.
But the beginning of that song, you know, that kind of atmospheric kind of thing, it sounds really cool with Donkey Kong sounds.
And basically what I'm saying is I think all music should be Donkey Kong now.
jordan holmes
I think that is kind of what I'm hearing.
You know, it's hard for people to then be like, you know, let's take Dan's music opinions about Ska seriously if they're right alongside of what if everything was Donkey Kong?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, my buddy Far Out had a song that sampled a song from Donkey Kong Country.
It's on Broke Love.
jordan holmes
There was a Ska version of the Super Mario theme.
dan friesen
To be fair, there's ska versions of just about everything.
There's like Me First and the Gimme Gimmes did all those ska covers.
jordan holmes
So now we need Donkey Kong versions of all the ska versions of other songs.
dan friesen
We need a Less Than Jake or a Me First and the Gimme Gimmes but with Donkey Kong.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
100%.
When is my album of Grease covers but with Donkey Kong?
jordan holmes
We've reached the heights of music.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we nailed it.
Okay.
dan friesen
I mean, look, there's so much music getting made.
Why can't this be some of it?
jordan holmes
Why can't it just have Donkey Kong?
dan friesen
Yes.
Yeah.
unidentified
That...
dan friesen
I'm thinking about the trends that have happened over the course of my life.
jordan holmes
I will say none of them are going to be Donkey Kong sounds in the future.
dan friesen
Probably not.
But how much worse would they be than Swing?
When Swing was huge.
jordan holmes
I mean, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
I'm not saying you're wrong.
dan friesen
I would take...
Somebody doing a whole Donkey Kong album over Zoot Suit Riot.
unidentified
Is it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I was about to say, is it more absurd than Mambo No.
5?
dan friesen
Or in the afterlife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
Mambo No. 5 wasn't swing, though.
jordan holmes
It wasn't swing, but it was absurd for that to be a song that everybody was like, we agree, this is the greatest song of the year.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, there was a lot of competition that year.
I'm not sure if it was the top song of the year, but I'm going to say this, and this is going to be a controversial song.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I haven't listened to it in a really long time, but I have a suspicion that Mambo No. 5 isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
I feel like Lou Bega might have gotten a bad rap.
It seems like it's just kind of a fun, poppy...
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
How is that any worse than how bizarre?
jordan holmes
Let's make it Donkey Kong sounds.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
A little bit of Dixie in my life.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
A little bit of Cranky makes me old man.
jordan holmes
There is no writer's room we can't punch up.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just the two of us.
dan friesen
Lou Bega, hit us up.
Do a Donkey Kong cover.
Do a Donkey Kong cover.
Mambo number Donkey Kong.
There was the Donkey Kong rap in the...
Donkey Kong 64, that was terrible.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's not what I'm talking about.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't think David Wise had anything to do with that one.
I'm going to hold out.
Hope for that.
So, Jordan, today we have a present day episode to go over.
And I will say that on our last episode, I said that we were going to cover Alex's response to Trump's indictment.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
On today's episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I fucked up.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I prepared the wrong day.
What are you going to do?
The evening of the 8th is when Trump got onto Truth Social and said, I have been indicted in all this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I forgot.
I thought it was a day earlier.
jordan holmes
Ah, so we're doing the 8th.
dan friesen
We're talking about the 8th.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I will say my experience of listening was like, man, he is not talking about Trump's indictment.
jordan holmes
I wonder why!
So weird!
unidentified
He is suspiciously mum on the topic.
jordan holmes
Frankly, he doesn't even say a word!
dan friesen
Yeah, and so on Friday we'll talk about the night.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But for today, there's enough to discuss here.
And as you said, we can have a little suspense.
jordan holmes
Technically, that's three present day episodes in a row.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know, you go back, you were like, oh, we're gonna do all those present episodes, then he goes on vacation, now here we are, cranking him out.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Even if one was a Tucker.
Yeah.
Which I appreciate people's positive feedback on.
jordan holmes
He's the most important person of the...
dan friesen
In the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I understand that.
But it's still kind of a little bit of an off-the-beaten-path for us, and I wasn't sure if people would respond well to it, but it seems like folks have.
So, we will...
Check in on episode two in the near future.
jordan holmes
Seems like it's inevitable.
dan friesen
But first, before we get to today's episode, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Lauren Cates was going to symbolically donate 1.5 billion of some currency, but even the most devalued currency in the world, Iranian rial.
That's still 35,000 US dollars.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
What about MaxCoin?
jordan holmes
Ooh, 1.5 billion of those would be 0.1...
Five zero zero zero repeating dollars.
dan friesen
Maybe.
It can't be worth much.
Next, my name is Shackleford.
Rusty Shackleford.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, the genius who split a wonk shout-out between two friends' birthdays is now a doctor and a policy wonk.
Congratulations, Dr. Dora.
Love, Aaron, and Bee.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, a little pumpkin time for the cats.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, happy late birthday, Sydney M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Jones and the Wetphones.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
unidentified
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
alex jones
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Jones and the Wet Phones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good swing band.
Good swing band name.
Yeah, you know it.
That's why you're smirking.
jordan holmes
I would have gone more with Scott.
dan friesen
There's a thin line, but to me it's thick, between Swing and Ska.
jordan holmes
There's a thin line, like Errol Morris made a documentary about it?
dan friesen
That was about cops, though, right?
Society at large believes that there's a thin line between Swing and Ska, and that's because of the horns, and I accept that.
But there is a big difference between them, and one is that Ska is fucking awesome, and Swing sucks.
That's the big difference between the two of them.
jordan holmes
I hate syncopation.
I prefer straight 4-4 time.
dan friesen
I also think that the whole...
unidentified
Costume of the swing stuff is a little...
jordan holmes
I hate to let the listeners miss out on the hand gesture.
A very dismissive hand wave at the same time.
dan friesen
And I realized...
jordan holmes
I don't get what they're doing with the clothes.
dan friesen
And I realized that as I was doing that hand gesture, like, ska people wear, like, skinny black ties and everything is plaid.
unidentified
Alright, maybe there's costume problems all over the place.
dan friesen
Alright, fine.
So we jump in here on the 8th, June 8th, and Alex has a big story to lead the episode.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Well, last night, James Cumming, the 10-foot-tall giant criminal, came to speak in Austin and was peacefully, articulately...
Articulately, a new word.
It was peacefully in an articulate way confronted by Owen Schroer and by many others.
And we'll have some of the video of that.
It's all on InfoWars.com.
It's gone viral.
And Owen is going to be popping in with us to cover this later in the broadcast.
dan friesen
Yeah, Owen Schroer's going to come in and report on how he yelled at James Comey.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Which he doesn't do, by the way.
unidentified
Peaceful?
dan friesen
I think he might have hosted the fourth hour, been on in the fourth hour or something.
But, yeah, he...
Yeah, he yelled at Comey and got kicked out.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I'm fine with all of that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Go yell at Comey and then get kicked out.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I'm fine with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What I'm not so fine with is the idea of, like, this is news.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is not news.
dan friesen
My employee yelled at Comey, and now we're going to cover it as a news story.
Like, Wolf Blitzer doesn't go and disrupt some event and then be like, wow, people are really mad at this event.
You did that!
jordan holmes
It is a bit like somebody at a fucking newsroom being like, shit, nothing's happening today, and then throwing a grenade out the window and being like, all right, now we got something to cover.
dan friesen
Yeah, local grenade goes off.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah, totally.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Pretending that there's something more to this story.
Your employee went and talked shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Awesome.
So, on our last episode, we talked about Tucker.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We talked about Tucker and his Twitter show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's on Twitter.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think a lot of people had some not-so-great reviews of it.
I think our review was negative, generally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Content-wise.
jordan holmes
The staggering anti-Semitism usually does not engender great positive reviews.
dan friesen
Let me say this as a positive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Could have been more anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
Could have been longer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Certainly he could have done worse.
jordan holmes
It was short.
dan friesen
A lot of folks were disappointed.
Even fans or people who were like...
And so, you know, there's been some, like, this is it?
This is what you're doing?
And Alex is on the other side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he's a genius.
dan friesen
He thinks it's fucking great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Okay, so we've got that stack of news I'm going to be getting into in great detail today.
Then we've got the massive Tucker Carlson news.
And Tucker's in very good spirits.
And his son just got married.
dan friesen
Congrats.
alex jones
And he just released episode one, as you know, two days ago.
He's going to start doing it four days a week, starting very soon.
I can tell you that.
And it got 104 million views, as I predicted it would get.
I said yesterday on Crowder's show, I said, by tomorrow morning when I go on air, It'll have 100, I believe I said 102 million views, but the point is it hit 104 million as of showtime today.
We can show you a screenshot.
Of that?
dan friesen
I have no idea why you would predict 102 million.
That's somewhat ridiculous, and I don't think that was what he predicted.
jordan holmes
That's just one of the...
Why do you need to be right about that?
dan friesen
Because he's so right.
jordan holmes
Why do you need to be right about...
Just let that one go!
dan friesen
Also, I checked on this, and Twitter...
The videos don't have views anymore.
The tweet was viewed that many times.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I don't know how many actual, like, watches it has.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Granted, obviously, if you have 100 million people who saw the tweet, then you'd assume that, you know, it's still millions of people who watched it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good for you.
But you also have to take into consideration that there's a difference between something that you can watch anytime you want that's 10 minutes long in a tweet and appointment television.
You know, there's...
There's a difference between what sizes of audiences you're generally going to get.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
There's also a difference in terms of relevance.
jordan holmes
Also, and I mean, I hate to come to Tucker's defense here, but...
It's awful hard to get an entire production crew ready to make a full show this fast.
dan friesen
Not if you're Tucker.
He's got an entire right-wing ding-dong brain trust.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, you've got to have gaffers, you've got to have camera people, you've got to have the whole...
I don't know why gaffer's number one.
If I'm doing a show, I've got to have a gaffer.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I think there's a lot of young Republicans.
There's a whole league of them.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think some of them are probably young and have technical abilities.
I think you could probably get a crew put together from some gripers pretty easily.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He seems to have no problem with employing white nationalist weirdos.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So I think you could get it done pretty quick.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They'd love to fly to whatever fucking shack he's filming this out of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, this is the ragtag crew from Armageddon, alright?
I mean, sure, they pulled it off in the end, but that was a movie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright, that was way, that was longer than 10 minutes.
dan friesen
We're gonna need Ben Affleck.
We're gonna need Bruce.
jordan holmes
Gotta have Aerosmith involved.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Who else is in that movie?
unidentified
Bruce?
I said Bruce.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
dan friesen
And of course, I mean Springsteen.
Yeah, naturally.
I don't think...
If you're somebody who was a huge Tucker is the most important person in the world type of guy, I don't think the result is what you wanted.
I don't think that that is the continuation of the legacy of the most important man in the world.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Though, it wasn't a bomb.
It was something.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And some people enjoyed it.
Most people thought it was underwhelming.
That's where you should be coming at this from.
A good start to build from is what I would go with if I were Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean I think what's important is Tucker is just keeping his name out there.
He's just out there.
People are talking.
Tucker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Like, maybe the show that you're on, that you did a set on, maybe it wasn't the best set, maybe it wasn't the best show, but you're keeping your name out there.
unidentified
Everybody's...
dan friesen
Letting people know you're still out there hitting the stage.
jordan holmes
Totally.
That way, whenever they're talking about you, who do we want to book?
Well, I just saw on a flat...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you don't want to go away forever, and then people are like, where have you been?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got to be on the tip of the tongue.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, there was a headline for the...
You know, I didn't write the headline this morning because I got a little bit late because I was working on things.
alex jones
So Ben wrote the headline.
It's an excellent headline for the live show.
Every day we have a post-up there.
Usually I write it.
But it does say it all.
So I was very pleased with what Ben wrote.
And it's that the leftist-controlled corporate press is in a total panic.
Oh, I guess it was the other headline for National Journal with Harrison Smith, so scroll down.
It was a perfect headline up there.
That was good, too, but just scroll down, guys, for me.
Just humor me.
Yeah, just scroll down.
Go to the next show.
Go a little faster.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's mad at the crew.
alex jones
There you go.
The American Journal.
Fox threatens to silence Tucker after he proves mainstream media is extinct.
And this is bigger than Tucker.
104 million views for a 10-minute show shot in his living room.
And then...
The national news declares it anti-Semitic and declares it a failure.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, they didn't declare it anti-Semitic.
They described it as that because it was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
And, you know, I think you can tell by seeing people like Andrew Anglin cheering on the anti-Semitism of it.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
You know, like that's...
You know, that's usually a good barometer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why would we even care what the media says?
We don't care what the media says about whether or not something's anti-Semitic.
You know what we do care about?
What do anti-Semites say?
And if they say it's anti-Semitic, I think you gotta own it.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that should be your only gauge, but it is certainly a factor to take into consideration.
jordan holmes
If they say what we do is anti-Semitic...
dan friesen
If they're excited about the anti-Semitism of something, you might want to ask yourself a question.
Is this thing?
So the other things that are important to recognize here.
First, the headline for Alex's show mentions the DOJ rushing Trump's indictment.
And so that was the only point when I was listening to this.
I'm like, wait, wait a second.
He is going to get into the indictment.
No, he doesn't.
Because it's the day before.
But also, Alex doesn't know the name of Harrison Smith's show.
He said the National Journal.
I don't blame him.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, listen, okay?
Harrison used to play in the American Journal, but then he got traded to the National Journal.
And they used to not have a DH, but now, I mean, that's all changed.
dan friesen
Oh, what a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't know the name because no one watches that dumb show, and there's no reason for it to exist.
And because I think he got it confused with National File.
jordan holmes
I thought that.
That's what I thought he was talking about.
I didn't think he was talking about Harrison's show at all.
dan friesen
What are all these dumb things I run?
So, Alex is gonna...
Okay, listen.
This show sucks.
I enjoy when he takes a lot of calls.
Because you can get a little bit of chaos.
You get a sense of what some of the listeners are feeling.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And sometimes you get fun recurring guest characters.
jordan holmes
Old man house phone?
dan friesen
Sure.
Louisiana dentures?
jordan holmes
Absolutely a delight.
dan friesen
Charles.
The gentleman Charles from the bayou.
Gentleman Charles!
So you have that, and it's a lot of fun.
The converse of that is this, and that's when Alex has a number of guests, and they're just kind of like, bleh.
jordan holmes
A cavalcade of boring people.
dan friesen
Kind of, yeah.
There's not a lot of juice.
I'm not interested in these people, and they're not that interesting.
And one of them is going to be Peter McCullough, who's an anti-vax cardiologist type.
A lot of COVID misinformation out of him.
But he's on because he has some breaking news about Jamie Foxx.
alex jones
I asked the producers this morning to try to get to the bottom of the Jamie Foxx situation, which we pretty much have gotten to the bottom.
First, the media a month ago said, oh, he didn't have a stroke, that's fake news, he's fine.
Then, well, he's learning to walk again and did have a stroke, and he did take the shot.
Then I saw him put out a video we'll play coming up next segment.
Very short, we said, listen, I know a lot of you are asking questions, and I want to just say I appreciate you asking those questions.
Thanks for asking the questions.
He's talking about the shots specifically.
So we get McCullough on last break, and I talked to him briefly.
He's coming on next segment.
And I said, what's these photos we see of you with Jamie Foxx?
dan friesen
Is this accurate?
alex jones
Are you in contact with him?
He said, yes.
So he's coming on with the big scoop next segment.
Probably should have said that at the start of the segment.
Here's a photo of Dr. Peter McCullough with Fox before he took the shot.
But Fox was aware of the shot.
He didn't want to take the shot.
He talked to McCullough about it last year and was getting pissed they were pressuring him to.
And now it's come out that indeed he did take multiple shots and knows the shot did it.
And that is reportedly going to be coming out very, very soon.
dan friesen
So Jamie Foxx didn't thank all the anti-vaxxers for asking questions.
He posted on Instagram, quote, appreciate all the love, feeling blessed.
I guess you just gotta heighten that a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's a little bit different, but okay.
dan friesen
There's also a short little video that Alex plays later, but it also doesn't say any of this.
What's going on with Jamie Foxx right now is really disgusting.
He had a medical situation that he and his family have requested privacy regarding.
Most of the people in his life and a fair amount of the media is respecting that in as much as they're covering that he was in the hospital but waiting until he's ready to talk about it to get into specifics or pry about it.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
These other fraud-esque communities are latching onto his medical situation and using it to promote themselves.
Initially, the Q-leaning folks were saying that this was an attempted assassination because Fox was about to reveal all the secrets of the Hollywood elite parties thrown by people like Diddy.
Then the anti-vaxxers came around for their slice of the action and the narrative is that Fox reluctantly got vaccinated and it's now almost killed him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Peter McCullough has zero credibility, and there's one picture that everyone posts of him with Jamie Foxx, but who knows when that's from or what the context of that picture is.
Floating out there somewhere in the universe is a picture of me with two live crew.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, we didn't talk about the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
Yeah, me and Fresh Kid Ice did not discuss the vaccine.
On the off chance that he did speak with Foxx about any kind of medical situation or in any capacity like that, and he's now disseminating that information.
Yeah, I think it is.
But then again, I don't think they actually really talked about anything, so Peter McCullough doesn't have any information to disseminate.
jordan holmes
Here's my conspiracy theory, all right?
They're going after everybody who is in In Living Color.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
Tommy Davidson.
Does everybody have eyes on Tommy Davidson?
dan friesen
All of the Wayanses.
jordan holmes
The Wayanses are in danger.
Get them out of the country.
dan friesen
Jim Carrey's an anti-vaxxer.
jordan holmes
Carrey!
See, this is...
Maybe he's the one behind it all.
dan friesen
Maybe he started it.
jordan holmes
He's the one taking him out!
dan friesen
Rosie Perez?
Wasn't she a fly girl?
jordan holmes
Oh, was she a fly girl?
It wasn't Jennifer Lopez.
Jennifer Lopez was a fly girl.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I don't think Rosie Perez was a fly girl.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yeah, you're probably right.
I might have just been thinking of Jennifer Lopez.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Who is now married to Ben Affleck, who is in a very charming Dunkin' Donuts commercial.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
They're married again?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
I can't do this.
dan friesen
And he's in a Dunkin' Donuts commercial.
It's very charming.
jordan holmes
I don't do TV.
I don't do news.
I'm done.
I'm out.
I'm out.
No more news.
Only reruns of In Living Color from here on out.
dan friesen
I wonder if they have a bunch of cast members that you wouldn't think of.
That, like...
Some of those shows do, like Mad TV, Amy Daly was on Mad TV.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I was just thinking that I bet there are so many people who are like, really?
They did a year on In Living Colors?
dan friesen
Because it was on for five seasons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and there were plenty of people in the writer's room who suddenly got on for a couple of years.
dan friesen
Jamie Foxx was only a star in the fifth season.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And then he was featured on three and four, season three and four.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, so I've got the full cast list up here.
We've got Jim Carrey.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Tommy Davidson.
Sure.
David Allen Greer.
jordan holmes
Oh, we got Dag!
We forgot Dag!
dan friesen
How could you forget Dag?
jordan holmes
How do you forget Dag?
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
Keenan Ivory Wayans.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Kim Wayans.
Damon Wayans.
Kim Coles.
First season only.
jordan holmes
Man, that was a cast.
dan friesen
Sean Wayans.
jordan holmes
That was a cast.
dan friesen
Marlon Wayans.
jordan holmes
Well, yes, obviously.
dan friesen
Oh, but only on the fourth season as a featured player.
jordan holmes
Marlon Wayans?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Huh?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
DJ Twist.
I don't know who that is.
Fly Girls.
Jennifer Lopez.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Their choreographer was Rosie Perez.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
You asshole!
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Man!
dan friesen
You tried to play with my mind.
jordan holmes
How did I not know that she was the choreographer?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I thought she was too busy.
dan friesen
She was there for the first four seasons.
jordan holmes
Jeez.
dan friesen
Guest stars.
Chris Rock.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A special guest star.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
Ellen Claghorn.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Tim Meadows.
Alright.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a few folks that you forgot, but a lot of those people you remember.
jordan holmes
That's because they went on to fucking run the show for 30 years or whatever.
Almost 40 now.
dan friesen
A lot of talent.
Yeah.
So yeah, maybe that's what's happening with J.B. Fox.
jordan holmes
Yeah, was that what we started with that on?
Yeah, I want to say that.
dan friesen
So Alex has some other headlines to run down that are all bullshit.
alex jones
All over the U.S., all over Canada, all over Germany, all over the U.K., all over France, they're arresting peaceful Christians for even silently praying.
That's coming up.
And the EU has announced a plan to take the American people's speech.
And the woman literally sounds like Dr. Evil, crossed with Klaus Schwab, who is the same thing as Dr. Evil.
jordan holmes
Because I can't do a Dr. Evil.
alex jones
What a mix.
Organic meat production, just as bad for the climate.
Study finds Leninguardian.
And then another one, eating local produce actually is not good for the earth and needs to be banned.
Local organic produce is the worst thing.
Giant factory farms and bugs created in warehouses is what you're going to eat.
I'm not kidding.
We're going to be getting to all that?
dan friesen
He doesn't get to any of this.
jordan holmes
Oh, no?
dan friesen
No.
I don't know what he's talking about with Christians being arrested for silent praying.
He said he's going to get into it later, and he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that seems weird.
You would have to explain exactly what it was that somebody saw that was like, Oh, you're silently praying!
Gotcha!
dan friesen
And he hasn't read these articles about food stuff.
The Guardian article isn't about how big factory farms with robot bugs are better for the earth than local organic produce.
It's an editorial about how there's a growing consensus that eating locally grown stuff isn't always the best way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The prevailing wisdom previously had been that locally sourced stuff was better because it had to travel a shorter distance unless it cut out emissions during the transportation phase.
However, more research has shown that the transportation of these goods contributes significantly less to the emissions calculation than the factor of how the produce itself is grown.
Obviously going to be the ideal, since you limit the emissions in production and transportation.
However, if you have to choose one variable, it might be best to focus on the production instead of the transport.
Better produced goods from far away may be better for the earth than poorly produced local ones.
And that's against a lot of the ethos of the farm-to-table kind of movements that had gone on that really emphasized the cutting out the transportation is paramount.
And so that's why this is an interesting conversation.
The article is clear that there are benefits to supporting local farms, but that it's easy to fall for the trap of thinking that just because something's local, it's automatic Nothing about robot bugs or You know, factory shit being better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I do see why you would add robot bugs to that story.
dan friesen
I mean, he's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, otherwise it's kind of a very dry conversation about what is the most effective way to limit emissions based on your food.
dan friesen
And I actually...
jordan holmes
Throw robot bugs in there.
dan friesen
Well, see, here's the thing.
I brought up the robot bugs.
He just said the bugs that were created in a lab.
So they could be organically...
They could be organic bugs.
jordan holmes
Bio-bugs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I put the robots into it, and I'm sorry.
I take that back.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, once you say that there are giant robots outside of Zuck's house, now robots are in play for every conversation.
dan friesen
Well, and he talks about Bill Gates with the robot mosquitoes.
jordan holmes
Is that his full name?
Bill Gates.
dan friesen
It took me a second to come up with it.
So the article about organic meat being just as bad as conventionally farmed meat is three years old.
This is just in terms of greenhouse gas.
And that is something that isn't really that much of a huge revelation.
Right.
unidentified
Kind of understood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we know that.
dan friesen
There's still other benefits from organic meat production related to things like decreases in runoff pollution.
The reality is that you're never going to be able to fully reduce the greenhouse gas emissions from livestock production since it comes from the methane that animals produce and their manure.
This isn't breaking news.
And it's just Alex not like ever really understanding the conversation.
Right.
unidentified
And so like weird things can be brought up as like bad news.
dan friesen
They're bombshells, but they're not.
They're just realities of conversations he's not a part of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you don't recognize, like, just cows produce emissions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Existence-wise.
And that our farming, tons of them, contributes to emissions.
If you don't even recognize that, the conversation has to be absurd to you, right?
You're like, animals don't make smoke!
Duh!
dan friesen
And, you know, you ideally would love for organic animal production to really limit some of the emissions.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It turns out that a lot of the benefits that you get...
In terms of greenhouse gas emission are undone by the ways that you need to feed the animals and stuff.
So it's kind of a one step forward, one step back kind of thing.
And that's unfortunate.
But the alternative is really people should transition to a more plant-based diet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen
And that would help with that factor.
But if you're going to eat meat, there's not much.
Not much there that you can really do.
jordan holmes
It's going to be tough.
dan friesen
So we get to the Jamie Foxx clip.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Dr. Mercola's intro.
And we get an interesting revelation about Damar Hamlin.
unidentified
Thank you again so much for supporting.
Thank you so much.
I know a lot of you guys are saying what's going on here and what's going on there with some of the stories.
Love y 'all.
alex jones
All right, so he just put that out yesterday, thanking people for trying to investigate what's happening with him.
jordan holmes
Is that what he was doing?
alex jones
Dr. Peter McCullough ended up talking to Jamie Foxx, who was concerned about the shots previously.
And we've got a photo here of them meeting.
And now he tried to cover up.
He had a stroke.
They tried to cover up what's going on.
But investigative journalists have talked to the hospital and the family and others and say, no, indeed, Jamie believes it's the shot.
Dr. McCullough will obviously be talking to Jamie here very, very soon again.
But this is a big deal.
Unlike Delmar Hamlin, who kept quiet about the shot, what happened with him, and he had to be resuscitated.
He did die.
He was brought back to life.
We can get Jamie Foxx to go public with this.
It is going to really save a lot of lives for future people.
dan friesen
So yeah, Hamlin died and was brought back to life.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
We can do that now.
jordan holmes
I guess that's how it works.
dan friesen
We can resurrect.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I like the definition on died, Alex, because it might have slightly different definitions.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you're a doctor.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Now, here's what I'll say.
Here's what I'll say about this, all right?
If I were to say to you, Dan, hey, I was talking to this person the other day, you know, and then we talked about this, you would probably believe me, right?
And I wouldn't feel the need to come up with evidence.
In advance of you talking to me, that would be absurd.
You would have to be an already very untrustworthy person for you to be like, oh, I was talking to Jamie Foxx.
No, no, no, no.
I have a picture.
You already know that people don't believe you all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, people might be suspicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, speaking of suspicious, a lot of cuts in that very short clip of Jamie Foxx.
A lot of edits.
unidentified
Well, you know, you gotta make it sound right.
It doesn't.
dan friesen
It doesn't say what Alex is...
It doesn't even appear to say what Alex is claiming it says.
And there's so many edits that, like, you're clearly trying to make it fit as best you can, and it's not working.
This is sad.
jordan holmes
It's so much like somebody's like, okay, well, cut out a little bit more.
That doesn't really work.
I'll cut out some more.
Let's see if that...
Well, let's just...
Okay, can you get him to say thank you?
Just...
Thank you.
And then we'll say he was thanking the anti-vaxxers, okay?
That's all we need.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a smoking gun.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
He's about to expose the vax, man.
jordan holmes
Knew it.
Same the whole time.
dan friesen
So Peter McCullough comes on, and here is where I said, fuck you.
alex jones
Jamie Foxx is a really likable guy to folks that know him.
What you see on TV and the movies is what you get in person.
He also grew up in the town next to where I grew up.
I know folks that actually went to school with him say he's a great guy.
You've got a chance to know him.
I guess he reached out to you and you educated him on shots.
What's the intel we've got on this?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't have direct knowledge of what happened to Foxx, but I know an Hollywood reporter, AJ...
dr peter mccullough
Benz said that, you know, people close to the situation, that he was forced to take one in order to be on scene to shoot his most recent movie in Atlanta, and then he collapsed with a stroke.
As Benz reports it, that he had at least temporary paralysis and cortical blindness.
dan friesen
This is A.J. Benza.
Again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A.J. Benza said this shit on Dr. Drew's show, and so now you have Dr. McCullough coming on, and the only information that he has is the shit that A.J. Benza said.
So why are you even doing this interview?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you have a picture of yourself with Jamie Foxx?
jordan holmes
I believe that is the exact reason.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, McCullough.
jordan holmes
He has a picture of himself with Jamie Foxx.
dan friesen
You should not have accepted this booking.
jordan holmes
So he has the authority to speak.
That might as well have a chyron underneath, Jamie Foxx expert.
dan friesen
Yeah.
His picture.
jordan holmes
His picture of him with Jamie Foxx.
dan friesen
So yeah, not gonna listen to the rest of this.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
This interview is a zero.
That is such a moment where it's like- AJ Benza said something and it gives me license to talk shit.
jordan holmes
I don't have any direct knowledge.
Click the end.
The end of conversation.
dan friesen
Pointless interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're done here.
Apologies for wasting everybody's time.
dan friesen
Waste of time.
So Alex has another guest who's a fucking waste of time.
It's that pastor, Rodney Howard Brown.
We talked about him a little bit in the past and here's Alex's intro for him.
alex jones
We're now into hour number two of this live Thursday, June 8th, 2023 transmission.
Pastor Rodney Howard Brown is not just a very successful and powerful pastor, one of the biggest churches in the country, based in western Florida.
He's also a really smart political mind and grew up in South Africa.
He understands how the New World Order takes over and destroys societies.
We're talking about it all with him today, but he issued a news report.
He issues them daily with a warning to Ron DeSantis that I totally agree.
All right.
pastor rodney howard-browne
So, governor.
Governor.
dan friesen
His warning to Ron DeSantis is, hey, man, don't do it.
Don't run for president.
They're trying to lure you out of Florida.
alex jones
I like it.
jordan holmes
I like it.
We're trying to sneak him out of Florida so we can arrest him for all of the charges and the kidnapping that he's done.
dan friesen
You're not going to win for president.
They're trying to lure you out of your wonderful position here in Florida.
jordan holmes
I actually think it would be smart for him not to leave the state of Florida.
dan friesen
I think it would be smart for him to stay in the position he has.
I mean, like, being the governor of Florida is probably...
A reasonably safe position for him in terms of re-election.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, there'd need to be a pretty decent candidate to unseat him at this point, based on the incumbency and, you know, and what have you.
He's not gonna probably have a whole lot of success, especially if Trump is running in the GOP primary.
And your candidate, Nikki Haley.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, no, it's all...
I just...
Nobody knows what's going to happen until next...
I mean, you know, like...
dan friesen
I understand that, but he's not a fighter.
jordan holmes
Trump...
I know, I know.
We both know that if he gets on a debate stage, he's going to lose.
dan friesen
And Dirty plays well in that GOP primary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
I don't think he has the toolkit.
So Rodney Howard Brown's advice to him to, like, cool it, I think might be a good call.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's probably smart.
I'm interested to know what he knows, because he was one of the lawyers at Gitmo, DeSantis was.
dan friesen
Was he?
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
That's an interesting wrinkle.
I didn't realize that.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
If he starts going, I think I'd be more interested to find out exactly what it was that he did.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because there's a lot of mysteries around it, but I'll tell you what, people don't think he was a good guy.
dan friesen
I would imagine that if that's the case, he's not going to be a whistleblower.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
And that seems like something that Trump could attack him over and he'd be screwed.
jordan holmes
Almost like if you were somebody that had that in your past.
unidentified
Not good.
dan friesen
Hey, you'd say what you want about the vaccine.
At least I wasn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Whoops.
dan friesen
So anyway, Rodney Howard Brown, not a big fan of civic engagement.
pastor rodney howard-browne
Anyway, Alex, it's like the whole planet's gone totally nuts since we lost all.
alex jones
It has.
pastor rodney howard-browne
Yeah, you know, one of the things that I'm concerned about this whole thing of indicting Trump, especially with people trying to get anybody to protest and stuff.
Now, I told our church, we are not protesting.
I'll tell you what we will be doing.
We have massive phone campaigns that will launch letters, emails, and we will phone.
What they want to do is to get everybody protesting, as in fact, get riots in the streets so they can blame conservatives, which is like a dumb move.
Whoever are the voices saying we all need to take to the streets and protest, that's just playing right into their hands.
So that's not the way to go.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't do it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So the folks shouldn't protest because they'll riot and then people will blame them for rioting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
See, what they are going to do is they're going to do things that make conservatives want to go out and riot, and then conservatives will go out and riot, and then they'll blame conservatives for rioting.
dan friesen
I don't know how this is anybody's fault, other than their own.
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
I don't know who's tricking anybody into doing anything.
It's like Trump wants people to come and protest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to think of a trick here.
dan friesen
Yeah, there isn't one.
jordan holmes
I'm struggling to find a tricky situation going on.
pastor rodney howard-browne
Nope.
jordan holmes
This seems very straightforward.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I don't think we have the same definitions for words.
dan friesen
Go ahead and not protest, though.
That's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Stay home!
Stay home!
dan friesen
So anyway, Rodney Howard Brown's a really boring guest, but he does say one thing that caught my attention.
pastor rodney howard-browne
Obviously, I have my own views on this, but do you remember that second debate when Trump went to the medical facility in Ohio and he was debating Biden?
Do you remember that one?
alex jones
Yes.
pastor rodney howard-browne
And Trump looked totally confused.
Now, I am convinced, I don't have proof that they were actually putting a ray on him to totally scramble him.
Interesting.
Because when I was watching, I was going, who is that?
That's not 45. That's not 45. He was slow in his reaction.
He couldn't even put a sentence together.
And I was watching it.
Oh, no.
They're doing something to him.
dan friesen
Yeah, they hit him with a laser.
They hit him with a dumb beam.
jordan holmes
I thought Occam's razor was fairly sharp.
But I think maybe we just need to even more simplify it to where it's like, if somebody looks like they're an idiot...
They're probably an idiot.
No, no, no.
There's no lasers.
There's no lasers.
There's no like, oh, there must have been a secret or they were playing dumb or no, no, no, no, no, no.
He's an idiot.
dan friesen
No, it was a grand plan to play dumb while being hit by a laser.
jordan holmes
Not a grand plan.
He's just an idiot.
You got tricked.
That's fine.
We're fine with that.
Everybody gets tricked.
dan friesen
This isn't the guy I imagined him to be.
It's a laser.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that maybe if you're somebody who has in the past multiple times told stories about the king from Africa sending you money, and then you're like, oh, it's probably a laser, maybe it's the Africa thing again!
dan friesen
Also, if this flies, Alex should really get in the business of, like, in court being, like, someone hit me with a laser.
jordan holmes
Somebody hit me with a laser.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Look, I didn't defame anybody.
jordan holmes
What kind of laser?
Does he get into it?
Like a heat laser?
Are we going with a laser pointer?
dan friesen
Is it just somebody in his eyes?
No, it's just a suspicion that he has.
Cool, man.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So anyway, fuck this, dude.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We have another guest, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's a guy who works for Tim Pool.
Named Shane Cashman.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
I heard that a journalist was in town the one that interviewed me.
He worked for Tim Cashman.
I looked at him like, oh, yeah, Shane Cashman.
I've done some great podcasts with him.
I think the biggest podcast of Culture War that Tim Pool's done is our episode together.
I'm like, wow, I'd love to have him as a guest, actually.
Should we bump the guest today to get him?
In here, so Shane Cashman wants to cover the waterfront.
He's kind of doubling here so we can do an interview, too, for a news article he's writing for TimCash.com.
He's at Shane Cashman.
On Twitter.
So Shane, we've got the rest of the hour here to cover so many wild subs.
You've got three pages of notes there.
dan friesen
Hey Shane, yeah, you can interview me, but I'm going to double dip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
We're going to kill some fucking time on my show.
I'm going to bump whatever other guest, because I don't want to take the time off air to do anything else.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
That looks like work.
jordan holmes
That is...
That is amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does this a bit, though.
He cuts ads on his show.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's really good stuff.
dan friesen
It's good work if you can get it.
So it is fair that Alex's episode of Tim Pool's Dumb Culture War show has the most views on YouTube, but considering the guest selection he has, that is not surprising.
Alex has about 400,000 views, that video, which isn't nothing, but it's a whole lot lower than Tim's other shows do.
After Alex was on, some of Tim's other guests have been Carrie Lake, Lauren Southern and Mark Pellegrino, the guy who played Jacob on Lost and then went hardcore libertarian.
jordan holmes
Eh, what are you gonna do?
dan friesen
Fun fact, Pellegrino also played the villain Jacob Seed in Far Cry 5 because this dude loves playing cult figures named Jacob.
jordan holmes
You know what's fun?
I think he needs to go back to the island.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, he doesn't.
Jacob's storyline, a little...
It's a little much.
That's where it gets into the mythology of him and his brother, the smoke monster.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
The man in black.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Smoke monster.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Jacob, island protector, making people drink from glasses.
jordan holmes
No, no!
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That's how you become the protector of the island.
jordan holmes
Oh, you gotta...
dan friesen
There's a ritual where you have to drink from a cup, and then he says, you're like me now.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
That's a great ritual.
dan friesen
So frustrating to think about Lost.
I have no idea who Shane Cashman is in a deep sense, but I will say that I have a standing policy that I do not shake from.
I don't fully believe in guilt by association, and as much as you shouldn't be judged too harshly for the actions of people you associate with, but if you agree to work at Tim Pool's operation, you have no integrity.
I can make exceptions for behind-the-scenes, technical-type employees, but if you're creating content for him, you know what you're doing, and I'm not going to take you seriously.
You have made your bed.
jordan holmes
You lost your privileges.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You're just...
If you make a conscious decision to see what's going on over there, and like, oh yeah, I think it's really fun that his co-host is, one of them is Luke Radowski, and then the other one is somebody who's even more embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think you'd just be like, I'm gonna go somewhere else.
jordan holmes
You're starstruck!
Oh, I would do anything to work for you, Mr. Pool!
dan friesen
I think it's someplace you can get hired, and maybe have a shortcut to thinking that you're doing something pretty big.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So anyway, also, Shane Cashman also has some ideas about...
Yay.
jordan holmes
Oh.
unidentified
What?
No.
shane cashman
It's crazy to be here today, which happens to be the birthday of the artist formerly known as Kanye West.
So happy birthday to Ye.
And we share a connection with Ye, because I was with him right after he was here last.
alex jones
So you were able to interview him right after he did that?
shane cashman
Yeah, the day or two after I was in L.A. And I was asking you what he really was doing.
alex jones
You said it was Andy Kaufman?
shane cashman
I think he's being Andy Kaufman.
I think it's a bit performance.
I'm sure there's a lot of stuff he believes that he's saying, but I think he truly is.
A performance artist.
One of the best ones alive.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he performs as much as he was a musician, but...
This is not Andy Kaufman.
This isn't satire.
jordan holmes
I mean, again, I understand that sometimes whenever it looks like that, it can be performance art, but for the vast majority of time, that's just somebody being an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah, someone struggling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a regular occurrence.
Andy Kaufman is famous because there was only one Andy Kaufman, not like a regular people are assholes all the time.
dan friesen
And when he was doing some of the most famous performance art that he did, Right.
He did it within the WWF.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
A place wherein fakeness is supposed to be.
dan friesen
Yes.
Kayfabe is the whole thing.
jordan holmes
The idea.
dan friesen
He entered into that and did some...
And I understand he did other performance art, but it's certainly not to that level.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Where he's wearing his neck brace onto late night programs and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was amazing.
dan friesen
So, yay might be running.
For president.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so is Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so we get into a little section where it's clear that Cashman is just interviewing Alex on Alex's show.
So we get the sense of what Alex thinks about Trump in 2023.
unidentified
Okay.
shane cashman
So are you into Trump running?
How are you with Trump these days?
alex jones
Well, I'm not a pragmatist.
I'm a realist.
And so I don't make my decisions from a pragmatic perspective.
I'm very ideological and really believe in what I want.
But I'm a realist in that if I've got, you know, Joe Biden or Gavin Newsom, and they stole it from Trump in the beginning, so it's like the public actually already elected him.
So even though I don't like Trump at certain levels, the people elected him, so I'm going to respect that.
And I do like Trump at a lot of levels.
I just don't want to be chump at the same time, and he's still running around saying the vaccine's good.
You know, he came out and said, oh, we're going to investigate the cause of autism.
Well, I mean...
Okay, you're going to put a Band-Aid on the gunshot wound you just gave us?
So that's a big deal.
But getting rid of Roe v.
Wade, securing the border, standing up to China, shipping jobs back, making his energy independent.
I mean, pulling us out of the UN, WHO.
I mean, he did so many peace deals, peace deals with North Korea.
So many good things.
But you can have the greatest dinner set there, and then the waiter climbs up on the table and takes a dump everywhere.
It kind of still ruins the meal.
shane cashman
It ruins the whole thing.
alex jones
So I'm trying to, like, ignore all the crap that Trump spewed all over the table and kind of bite around it.
But it really does have a bad smell.
Whereas Gavin Newsom is a giant pool of dead babies and rotting flesh.
So I'm kind of like, well, I better just eat around this.
shane cashman
I agree.
I agree.
There was so much I love about Trump.
Also, he had right to try, which I thought was interesting.
He passed that.
But the end of his pardoning, the pardons were tough.
You know, as much as I like Lil Wayne.
dan friesen
So, yeah, don't eat that.
jordan holmes
Don't.
dan friesen
Just go without a meal.
jordan holmes
Don't.
dan friesen
Skip dinner.
jordan holmes
That's...
dan friesen
It's fine.
So that was a whole collection of nonsense that's just meant to allow Alex to play the fence, and he wants to try and retain his pro-Trump audience while giving some appearance of pushback to retain the folks who have soured on him entirely.
This is really dumb.
Based on Alex's callers lately, they don't seem to like Trump at all, and the vaccine shit is insurmountable for them.
So Alex's best shot right now is to cut bait.
He seems to have forgotten that he doesn't need to support a candidate, and lesser of two evils arguments are embarrassing for someone with his belief set to make.
He can mock the idea of people voting blue no matter who, but if Alex insists on caring about electoral politics, Yeah.
The only thing I find interesting here is that Alex saying at the beginning, I'm not a pragmatist, I'm a realist.
This is really confusing as a way to describe oneself, and I have to say that neither of these terms come anywhere close to fitting what Alex is.
But it gets even weirder when he says that he's idealistic, but if the alternative is Biden or Newsom, then Trump looks pretty great.
That's actually far closer to being a pragmatic perspective than a realist one.
Alex isn't speaking about these terms in any academic sense, so what this boils down to is that realism dictates that the world is what it is, and you should use that to guide your beliefs.
Realism has no place for idealism, because idealism is about wanting to change reality.
Idealism and realism work against each other.
Conversely, one can be idealistic and pragmatic at the same time.
You can hold lofty ideals You need to deal with the world as a If anything, what Alex should be saying is that he's a rigid ideologue who's willing to play lesser of two evils games when there's a pragmatic reason to, like, for instance, it's really profitable to do that.
What follows is Alex listing off a cavalcade of his ideological beliefs, which are not in any way based on realism.
Trump is actually the president because the people elected him, and Alex is going to respect the will of the people.
The COVID vaccine is killing people.
The vaccines cause autism.
All of that is reflective of Alex's idealism, which he's projected onto Trump, and the only reason he has any need to play any of the games that he's playing now is because Trump is not, and never was, the fulfillment of Alex's ideological fantasies.
But Alex said that he was, because he wanted to sell him to his audience based on their idealism.
And now, he's in a little bit of a bind, which is why he needs to retreat to this embarrassing land of lesser of two evils.
He didn't have to do that in past elections, because his idealism guided him until he pragmatically realized that there was a shitload of money to be made in doing things this way.
And also, just to be clear, you can't really have a pragmatic view of the world and also believe that your enemies work for the devil.
It just doesn't work.
There's no way to be pragmatic about that.
Demons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it should be a lot harder, and I know this seems silly to say, but it should be a lot harder to get over the president murdering, like, 12 million people.
You know, like, you believe that the vaccine is what killed everybody, and he did it.
dan friesen
But that's just a little dump on the table, you know?
jordan holmes
Ooh, boy, I just feel like he, but he did it.
dan friesen
According to Alex, yeah.
jordan holmes
On purpose.
According to Alex.
dan friesen
Or because he was too dumb.
jordan holmes
Either way, right?
That should disqualify you as the leader of the free world.
dan friesen
Certainly it's either evil incarnate in an act, or it's a level of irresponsibility and incompetence that you just can't be trusted with any level of power.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
But no, it's just a little dump on the table.
jordan holmes
No, see, that seems so crazy to me.
You can't live in this reality.
And still be pro-Trump.
I just feel like you can't.
dan friesen
He shouldn't be.
And that's the problem.
He's trying to not be, but also be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's just, it's a dumb game.
jordan holmes
Because he knows that the vaccine didn't really kill everybody.
dan friesen
And he knows that probably none of the candidates that are appearing on the right have any chance if Trump is running.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's just no way.
He's got star power.
He's a dick?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to embarrass the shit out of everybody else?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he did last time?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like they're really reaping the whole, like, remember when we made politics just yelling at each other thing?
And now they're finding out, like, oh no!
We're not as good at it as we thought we were.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That guy that we built up is.
unidentified
Oops.
jordan holmes
Oops.
dan friesen
But RFK is also running.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So what does Alex think about that?
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
shane cashman
What do you think about RFK?
How are we with him these days?
alex jones
I think he's totally for real.
I mean, I think he's wrong on some issues.
But now he's pro-gun.
Now he wants to control the border.
Now he says carbon taxes are a scam.
The system hates him.
He's trying to ignore him.
And they're in panic mode over him right now because he's in a dead heat.
Even the Washington Post had a headline about that.
Here's the hill.
RFK Jr.'s rising profile sparks Democrat janitors.
There was a similar headline in the Washington Post where, like, he's the leader.
I mean, he's smart.
He's a Kennedy.
He's a populist.
He's, I mean, he's...
shane cashman
He understands what the CIA has done.
alex jones
They murdered his father and his uncle.
dan friesen
So, the article that Alex is referencing in The Hill is covering a CNN poll that has Biden support at 60% and RFK at 20%.
This is not a dead heat, and Kennedy's not the leader.
There are op-eds that make the point that it would be unwise to consider his candidacy dead on arrival, but Alex is completely full of shit about the numbers.
A realist wouldn't act like this.
That's the mark of a dishonest ideologue, for sure.
jordan holmes
I appreciate the...
I like the idea of like, oh, well, he suddenly started saying the things that I like, so of course I like him.
dan friesen
Not at all, like Trump.
jordan holmes
No, no, like, well, oh, now he's saying that guns are good.
Not a single instance of being like, well, why is he saying that?
Is he saying that just to manipulate us?
dan friesen
Well, he's saying it because he's been educated.
jordan holmes
Is he saying it just because that's what we want to hear?
Does that not enter into his mind?
dan friesen
I would guess.
That RFK is not necessarily an idiot.
And he probably recognizes that if he's running for president, a large amount of support that he's going to be able to gather is going to be from the right.
And so maybe he should warm up to some of the things that are incredibly important for them.
jordan holmes
In some ways, it feels almost like he's making a pragmatic political decision.
Right?
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
As opposed to one based in, perhaps...
Idealism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe he doesn't have a zealotry around guns as much as he does about vaccines.
And he's passed that critical litmus test for the right.
Yeah.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, globalists, they screwed up.
jordan holmes
Again?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The COVID thing was a real big mistake.
alex jones
Ah.
I think it's the COVID power grab that blew up in their face.
I mean, I think they still had a shot at this, but the COVID...
People aren't forgetting about it.
More and more, they're understanding the abuse we just went through.
shane cashman
It backfired.
A lot of people bought into it.
Trust me, I was in New York.
alex jones
Oh, no, no, exactly.
I mean, it worked for a minute.
It's like a woman that's got a husband that breaks her jaw.
She kind of buys into it the first few weeks, but later she's like, you know, he broke my jaw.
shane cashman
Some of those people will never forget the fear that the media put in their hearts from COVID, from lockdowns.
I remember being on a trail in Bear Mountain, New York, and people had to skip.
They were almost about to jump off the cliff.
Rather doing that than walk by me on a path because I didn't have a mask.
alex jones
I had people yell at me, and a guy goes, sick of him, and his dog bites me in the arm because I wasn't wearing a mask.
And then he called the police.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
I punched the dog in the head.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
Another Another gleeful story.
jordan holmes
What in God's name does this dude have against dogs?
dan friesen
He was really happy to tell the story about punching a dog.
jordan holmes
I am blown away by this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Just, why?
Why?
Why?
You know, it is that cruelty to animals thing with psychopaths, though.
You know, there's definitely a little bit of like, eh, I know what you did.
dan friesen
Why is it weird that the guy called the police?
You punched his dog!
jordan holmes
You punched his dog!
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, like, sure, you could be mad about...
Fear and stuff surrounding COVID and what have you.
But, you know, it's easy to lose track of how many people were dying at the beginning.
You know, things have calmed down a bit.
You know, obviously we're not entirely out of the woods of COVID.
Maybe it's not the public health emergency it was before.
But time makes you forget how severe things were.
In the beginning of 2020.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It was a nightmare.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so some of that fear was very warranted.
Oh, very much.
I don't think that was the globalists doing it to anyone.
jordan holmes
No, it was mainly watching people's loved ones go away.
That's usually what does it.
dan friesen
And Alex likes to forget that he played into a lot of that before he decided it was more profitable to go the other direction.
shane cashman
Totally.
dan friesen
So Shane should ask that question for his cool article.
jordan holmes
Shane, is it over for humanity is a good question.
dan friesen
Oh, it's time to pray.
So, Shane's a little bit worried that, you know, the government used to do assassinations, and then they went to character assassinations.
jordan holmes
Oh, glory days.
dan friesen
Right, but he's worried they're going to go back to it, because character assassinations aren't working now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then Alex has a fun story about a relative.
jordan holmes
Who's the assassination?
shane cashman
The government, as far as I'm concerned, used to operate in blood.
And it used to be assassinations, like RFK knows all about that.
Then they moved into character assassinations, which I believe you know a lot about, right?
And the character assassinations happened to people in the media.
It happened to people, just you and me, right?
So what scares me is now they're going to move back to the previous plan.
Of the violence.
alex jones
Well, I agree.
In the old days, it was all about how many people you put on the ground to kill people.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
And back then, there was Russians and all mafias and, you know, the military, you know, was going around killing people in the U.S. People don't know that.
They were naive.
The death warrants were signed every hour.
But it didn't work.
The intimidation of murder didn't work.
So it all went from human intel to digital starting in the 90s.
This is all movies.
jordan holmes
You're just talking about movies.
alex jones
Stop it.
You're not adults.
But his professional job in the Army, his Army officer, was he would just sit there like a Jason Bourne guy and then they'd give him the orders and go kill people.
Wow.
unidentified
Here in the U.S. It was mainly mafias and stuff, but then he got.
alex jones
People say you never got out of the CIA.
That's not true.
He got out of it at a certain point because the stuff was criminal.
And he said, I'm not doing that.
I go, good.
You passed the test.
You're like, yeah, you passed the test.
jordan holmes
I'm not doing that.
alex jones
You really wanted me to do that.
Now you claim, oh, you passed the test.
You're a good guy.
Because that's how they test these units.
And it's like, okay, now wipe out the entire family and say he killed the kids.
No, I'm not doing that.
It goes to the Tony Montana moment, which is fictional, but based in composite true stories where he goes, hey, I told you no women, no kids.
There's kids in the car.
I'm not going to blow them up.
Tony Montana keeps his soul at that point.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
No women, no kids.
shane cashman
No, people, it sounds crazy to a lot of people who aren't as plugged in as we might be.
dan friesen
To movies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does sound crazy to people who do not base their entire life on movies.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's funny that you're like, this shit is movies, and then he gets it to Tony Montana.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
It's exactly like a movie, and I'm going to tell you which movie that it's exactly like.
dan friesen
No, that's his uncle.
We just heard him tell a story recently about being in Iran-Contra, and then he got out because it was kids that were being trafficked.
These family members have lived such storied lives.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
They're in Iran-Contra and get out and save their soul.
jordan holmes
Save their souls.
dan friesen
Because they didn't want to be trafficking kids.
jordan holmes
No women, no kids.
dan friesen
It would have to be later, or maybe subsequently, at the same time, carrying out assassination hits within the United States, but then saved their soul because they didn't want to kill women and children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's very silly.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's very, very silly.
dan friesen
Alex is a child.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Telling these hero stories about his relatives that aren't true in just movies.
jordan holmes
It's fascinating to hear these two people talk.
As though they, so authoritatively.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, oh yeah, let me tell you how the world works.
dan friesen
You're a naive dum-dum who's not plugged into things if you don't think movies are real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you're literally telling me about movies.
You're telling me about movies.
You know you're telling me about movies because you haven't read a book in 20 years.
You've only watched movies!
dan friesen
Well, maybe a few books that are just like the novelization of movies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Jurassic Park the novel.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex has read like childhood.
jordan holmes
And not the original novel by Crichton.
The novelization.
The abortion of the movie.
dan friesen
Which might be better.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So Cashman believes that abortion is human sacrifice.
And then Alex gets into talking a little bit about the abortions he's had and how he was haunted by the babies.
And also, this telling of the story is very different than we've heard before.
shane cashman
We're still doing human sacrifice.
Abortion is sacrifice, I believe.
Turning kids into the trans movement is a form of human sacrifice.
And it's also, it reminds me of what went on in the Cultural Revolution, right, in China, where they're basically, you erase the history, you destroy the kids, and you get to rebuild the future.
A dark, disgusting, depraved future.
jordan holmes
You're the one beating books!
alex jones
They just want to play God, and I think we're weak.
Because we won't target kids.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
No, no.
They're weak.
They'll do it.
shane cashman
Right.
alex jones
Because once you go over that cliff, I mean, take Latin America.
20 years ago, nobody would target kids.
30 years ago.
And then suddenly one cartel leader who was the big boss.
unidentified
Based off what?
jordan holmes
What do you know?
alex jones
Escobar began to target everybody.
And now MS-13 routinely just kills babies.
shane cashman
Oh, I know.
alex jones
I mean, right in front of their parents, blows toddlers' heads off.
Like, what?
shane cashman
It's so dark.
alex jones
And again, the bad mojo of that.
Don't even tell people what God does to you when you kill babies.
I mean, it's not...
shane cashman
You're done.
Your soul is done.
And what we're experiencing on top of all that is this crazy trick that they've played on people to self-sacrifice.
Right?
So we're seeing people just, they're offering themselves up to this...
Demonic force.
alex jones
Well, when you do that, is this one thing to do in abortion and not know what you did?
When the left goes, I know I killed that little bastard.
shane cashman
That's it.
alex jones
I love killing babies.
When you love it, you're done.
You're fried.
And you see the people who have dead eyes after that.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
You are literally becoming a slave of Satan.
Satan needs you to commit a crime like that because God will remove the spirit.
And once that transmission's not on you, you're now perfect to be overlaid.
shane cashman
There's a trend on TikTok, I think it is.
I think it's on TikTok where there's a bunch of young women talking about how they're haunted by the fetuses they aborted.
And they have that, like...
alex jones
Oh, I was haunted.
I mean, I really believed it was a lot of tissue.
I wasn't trying to get women pregnant, but I was extremely fertile.
I got four children now.
But when I was, like, 18, I got to look at them when we got pregnant.
And these girls would usually tell me later, oh, I got an abortion.
Give me $300.
And my dad, when I was 18, found the abortion bill.
And just very coldly said, you're not my son.
You quit killing my grandchildren.
He said, I want you to get out of here by Saturday.
It was like a Thursday.
He goes, you've got two days to get out of the house.
And he said, I'm so ashamed of you.
And the weird thing was that over the next six months, I started having nightmares, being haunted about it.
And that's when I had that kind of wake up, come to Jesus moment again.
But it's definitely real.
shane cashman
I think a lot more people need to have that moment right now.
dan friesen
Nah.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So a little different, a little different telling of the story.
I mean, certainly he's downplaying some aspects of it.
Definitely leaving out the part where he coerced some of these women into having abortions.
jordan holmes
He didn't seem to leave out that part.
unidentified
Definitely adding details to his dad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Part of the story.
I believe the last time he told this story, his dad was aware of it and kept paying for them.
And then eventually he'd had enough and said, you have to stop killing my grandkids.
jordan holmes
He had paid for too many abortions.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Not...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He found the bill surreptitiously.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, nonsense.
jordan holmes
This is wild.
dan friesen
It really makes you wonder how much of any of this is true.
jordan holmes
I mean, none of it?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I do think he probably was involved in some abortions and he feels terrible about it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Probably those nightmares are, you know, not necessarily a haunting, but a reflection of the unprocessed guilt and shame that he feels around this.
Which continues to this day.
jordan holmes
Or, conversely, at all times around him he has a little ring of aborted fetuses holding hands dancing around singing, you are a murderer!
dan friesen
I wouldn't doubt that he sees that.
jordan holmes
I could definitely see that.
Yeah, I could definitely see that.
dan friesen
So not only is Ye a performance artist on the level of Andy Kaufman, apparently Cashman believes that he's one of the most important voices today.
shane cashman
But before I get into this next question, we can shift to something else.
I figure since I'm here, I should address Elon Musk.
And I think you have a different take on this, and it's fine.
alex jones
No, I think the jury's out on him.
shane cashman
No, no, it's not even about that.
I still just think Elon needs to unban Alex Jones and, yay, two of the most important voices in the world today.
And I know I've heard you say that he probably shouldn't.
And what was the reasoning behind that?
Why did you think that?
alex jones
They put so much evil energy onto me, like I'm the devil with the dumbed-down mask.
That he's barely hanging on.
They've taken 59% of the revenue away.
He may not win this fight.
But if he unbans me, he's basically unbanned almost everybody else.
If he unbans me, I'm kind of like the token black sheep that has to be sacrificed.
I don't agree with it, but I know why he's doing it.
I'm going to leave it at that.
I'm not going to say I met and talked to Elon Musk lawyers or anything, but, I mean, believe me, there's a lot of inside baseball here.
shane cashman
I hope so, because I think Twitter needs you now more than ever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is like, he's basically a martyr.
He's kind of like the Jesus for right-wingers on Twitter.
He's been sacrificed so that they all may be let back.
jordan holmes
In a sense, if you were to tell me that Alex Jones being let back on Twitter would kill Twitter, then yes, I agree.
Twitter needs Alex right now.
Somebody needs to put it out of its misery.
dan friesen
I think at this point with where Twitter has gone, the deterioration of some of it and what have you, I don't know if it would make that big of a difference if Alex was on it, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
I feel the same way.
dan friesen
But this storyline that he's telling himself about why Elon doesn't actually hate him is pretty funny.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He can't just be like...
Well, Elon hates me because of the Sandy Hook stuff.
dan friesen
He thinks I'm a dick.
jordan holmes
He can't do it.
He can't say that personally he hates me because of the Sandy Hook stuff.
dan friesen
Tactically, he knows that it would be too much and it would ruin the larger plan that he has.
What are you fucking talking about?
jordan holmes
This is one of the great Emperor Has No Clothes episodes that we've done in so far as there are so many explanations for why the Emperor has no clothes and nobody here is willing to just be like, oh, because he's naked.
dan friesen
It's very simple.
I mean, if Cashman was any kind of reporter at all, none of these answers would fly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's unacceptable to answer like that.
How dare you?
How dare you?
I'm going to ask a follow-up question.
Oh, we don't do that here.
dan friesen
Also, it turns out that maybe Alex thinks these things because he's ban-evading and no one really cares that he's actually on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Well, you know, I don't want to get Elon in more trouble.
But since he took over, have you looked at Twitter?
I mean, Alex Jones is not banned on Twitter.
See, here's the thing.
I really want him to succeed, whether he's being a double face or triple cross or whatever it is.
Right now, he's going in the right direction.
But I can't help but tell the truth, and I really shouldn't be saying all this.
Look, look, look.
We get like 10 million views a day on Twitter now.
I mean, we were banned on there.
We're not banned on there.
And I'm not that good at tweeting.
So the great part is...
shane cashman
Right.
alex jones
They banned Tucker Carlson because they are arrogant.
That was real.
And now they want him.
They're telling him he can't even have free speech for suing him because he had 104 million views in a day and a half.
So that's real.
I mean, that's going on.
shane cashman
I see the numbers.
I see...
Alex Jones on Twitter, I think I just would like that symbolic gesture.
But I understand he's already got his feet of the flames, and I don't fully trust Elon for a lot of different reasons, but I love what he does with Twitter.
alex jones
Well, let's just say this.
People claim Trump was 3D chess.
No, Trump's all instinct, all gut, which is 3D because it's your subconscious and unconscious.
So Trump's a formidable source, but when he's wrong, it's really big-headed.
But with Elon, this is a 3D chess going on.
So I can actually see his moves, and so I'm like, is this your moves?
And he's like, yeah, that's my moves.
Most people can't see my moves.
But I'm like, but is your move a double-cross later?
I don't trust him.
But I can see right now the moves he's making.
I mean, it's devastating.
shane cashman
My theory is that he secretly implanted the Neuralink in himself a long time ago.
That's why he can play these wild games and think so differently than most people.
dan friesen
Can't tell if that's a joke or a sincere thought that Cashman has there.
jordan holmes
I am terrified that that is a sincere thought.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also terrifying that Alex thinks he's sort of telepathically communicating with Musk about his secret moves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I want to say one thing really quick.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
When we were talking about 3D chess, On a past episode, it came to my attention that chess is 2D.
In terms of the game, you're playing on two dimensions.
There's length and width.
The reason that I said it was 3D chess is because chess pieces have height.
So 2D chess, I feel like it's when you're playing on a screen, and then 3D chess, the pieces, they have a height to them.
jordan holmes
No, that was the joke we were making.
dan friesen
I didn't mean that as a joke.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, because the game is just black and white.
dan friesen
I get that.
I'm clarifying my position.
You were making a joke.
I was looking at it as a 3D object.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
That's the joke.
Three-dimensional chess, it is three-dimensional because you can see the pieces exist in three dimensions.
dan friesen
I might still not get the joke.
jordan holmes
Because the game itself is not three-dimensional.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
But if you add in...
Oh, I've watched people play chess before, then...
Never mind.
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
I get it.
jordan holmes
It was subtle.
dan friesen
I get it, but it might be too subtle.
jordan holmes
It was subtle.
dan friesen
I get the point.
jordan holmes
It's subtle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I was just explaining my own statement, which I guess was wrong, but also like, hey, come on.
jordan holmes
You want to throw this out at you?
All right.
Include space-time and your one-dimension short.
Because it also moves through time as well.
So, I mean, frankly, everything is four-dimensional.
dan friesen
Right.
And what if...
Yeah.
What are the other dimensions?
Alex has described them before, right?
jordan holmes
There's really only, as far as...
dan friesen
No, there's like 10th dimensional...
jordan holmes
Well, we've had 10 dimensions, but I don't know what the 10 dimensions are.
I remember one of them was bad, right?
Now I only remember the riffs that we made about it.
dan friesen
The fondue one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't remember what his actual beliefs are.
dan friesen
What if you're playing chess against a demon, then it's like...
Fourth, fifth, sixth dimension.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
If you're playing chess against death for your life.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is death a demon?
jordan holmes
Or just the embodiment of a process.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
You know, like the manifestation.
dan friesen
A demonic process.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Deterioration.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But what is, is that the moon landing was faked.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
This is like a bong circle.
This is nonsense.
shane cashman
Remember when Annie Jacobson was on Rogan?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
shane cashman
Like four or five years ago?
She had a source for the book she wrote many years ago who claimed to have worked at Area 51 who said he saw surgically altered humans in a craft to look like aliens, just to freak out the Soviets.
alex jones
Exactly.
This is all a giant psyop that the U.S. has got an alien.
You just said it.
Moon landings freak out the Soviets.
We got aliens freak out the Soviets.
Meanwhile, there was a real...
Space program and a whole bunch of dead Air Force astronauts.
We did go to the moon.
And then for the public, they just had a staged event.
But the guys they sent had already been there.
shane cashman
You think shit to the moon?
alex jones
I know the guys that ran the operation.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Before he died.
I mean, I've been to his house many times.
He worked with me, worked with my dad.
Camping and hunting with my dad and me.
He was a good friend.
If you look at the famous black and white mission control, he ran the cameras, he ran the radios, he ran the uplinks worldwide.
He was the head of mission control comps.
shane cashman
Why do you think we haven't gone back?
alex jones
Well, he would always say he was going to tell me he couldn't do it.
But then he was told that his heart was, he had a bunch of skints and had heart attacks.
He's a tough guy.
I didn't really realize we had all this last dinner.
He wanted to be at a hotel restaurant.
Actually, the old sack mace at the Hilton.
We had a hand.
He said, I'll probably be dead in a few months, but I'm going to go ahead and tell you some of this.
He had presidential medals at his house and pictures of him and Nixon and all this stuff.
dan friesen
Picture of him with Jamie Foxx.
alex jones
We had a whole secret space program, a whole duplicate, because of the deaths we had and the numbers and the advanced technology.
And it was basically our job to run an entirely fake operation that were in space, but to just basically then reenact what we did because we couldn't actually show you all the advanced technology we had.
shane cashman
So what we saw, the video we've all seen is, if you're concerned about the power group and want to generate your own supply of off-grid electricity...
dan friesen
One thing I'll note is that Alex seems to not care about commercial breaks on this episode.
He is missing breaks constantly.
Also a little speedy, but also a little bongy.
unidentified
A little bit.
dan friesen
Maybe Alex is a little speedy and Cashman's a little bit bongy.
jordan holmes
Everybody's having a little bit of a mix of bad ideas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is what's going on.
dan friesen
Wow.
Okay, so...
Alex had this buddy who was involved in the faking of the moon landing video.
jordan holmes
I can't hang with...
dan friesen
Because they'd already done it.
They'd gotten to the moon.
But there have been so many deaths and all this stuff that you don't want to release a video of the actual moon landing, so they faked one.
jordan holmes
It's such a terrible, terrible conspiracy.
dan friesen
He seems desperate to impress Cashman.
jordan holmes
It does seem that way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know all these guys.
I ate dinner with him right before he died.
jordan holmes
My dad, my dad, my uncle.
dan friesen
We go hunting with him.
My uncle was an assassin.
jordan holmes
In case you were wondering, no matter what story you bring up or observation you have, I know somebody personally making my connection to it far greater than yours.
In case you were wondering, I am dominating you.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex also knows Buzz Aldrin.
Buzz Aldrin was on the show and they were good friends.
alex jones
Oh, we've got to go get the Buzz Aldrin interview.
He got in a lot of trouble for it, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, really?
alex jones
I talked to the secretary.
I was like, can you come back on?
He's like, no way.
They said NASA flew people in here.
They've been in this office for a week.
We're coming back on again.
And you can think, well, maybe that's a psy-op, too.
I mean, I don't know.
shane cashman
That's the thing.
alex jones
Oh, hey, Buzz Aldrin wants to have dinner with you.
shane cashman
That's the thing.
My skepticism overflows so much, I don't even know how to find what's real anymore.
That's the problem.
That's why God seems to me like he is the only anchor in this reality that we have.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a problem.
jordan holmes
What a big swing and miss.
dan friesen
This is not skepticism.
jordan holmes
I'm so skeptical.
dan friesen
Oppositional defiance.
jordan holmes
So skeptical, I don't even know how to know what's true anymore, so I'm just going to believe whatever it is I want.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I mean, it is just like knee-jerk defiance to things that you perceive as being the authority that you want to position yourself against.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's what he's describing and pretending it's skepticism.
Meanwhile, like, obviously, God and the idea of an immortal, all-powerful being is the last refuge of, like, certainty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can retreat to that certainty and just be like, that explains everything.
And that's what he's describing he's done.
None of this is even close to a skeptical process.
You wouldn't listen to Alex say this bullshit if you had any kind of skepticism in you.
You'd be like, the fuck are you talking about?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
This is...
Naivety mixed with oppositional defiance.
jordan holmes
It is something along those lines.
Authority meaning anybody who is competent.
I thought we had a war on experts when I was growing up.
My man, we have a war on just basic competence now.
The idea of successfully completing your job means that you are a fucking fed.
dan friesen
You must be.
jordan holmes
That's the only way.
dan friesen
The other thing, too, is just this insistence that the machine is anything that is what you disagree with.
Or your political...
It's not actually based in power.
And then you have to justify that by crafting a web of explanations for how, like, ah, yes, anything that is slightly liberal is actually power because pop culture has...
Interracial couples in commercials.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Like, what?
jordan holmes
Yeah, and at the same time, a forced ignorance on, and like, just asking questions that you could find the answers to, but refusing to, why didn't we go back to the moon?
You could think about it, or ask people.
dan friesen
Ask Alex.
jordan holmes
There's a reason that we didn't go back to the moon.
dan friesen
Alex knows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
There's any number of possible things that you could look into, but instead you're like, well, I guess we'll never know why we didn't go back to the moon.
Probably the libs.
dan friesen
But we might know some things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And for that, we need to actually talk about what you're talking about.
Sure.
Not trusting experts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We do need to trust experts.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And one of them is Logan Paul.
jordan holmes
Oh, God damn it.
shane cashman
I hear it.
You know who Logan Paul is?
Yeah.
Logan Paul has supposedly some footage of a UFO people are saying.
dan friesen
Fuck yeah.
shane cashman
He hasn't shared it yet, but he claims it's in me.
He says it's grainy, but it's really good footage.
alex jones
There's Logan and Jake.
shane cashman
Yeah, I think it's Logan.
I think.
alex jones
I've been on his show.
shane cashman
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
Well, Logan, I think you should release that immediately for transparency's sake.
Because I'm skeptical of all these videos, even when they're grainy and whatnot.
alex jones
Even when they're grainy?
I mean, come on, with all this.
shane cashman
That's the thing.
With AI now, they could be making better fake spacecrafts.
alex jones
Well, what I can prove is they gave us a poison shot that shuts off our immune system and gives us blood clots.
So I can prove that one.
And I can prove they're trying to sexualize three-year-olds.
jordan holmes
No, you can't!
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
But he can prove that he was once on Logan Paul's show.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
When he was on Logan Paul's show, he got embarrassingly drunk to the point where he was pouring a glass of vodka, another glass of vodka for himself, and one of Logan Paul's co-hosts said, that's a heavy pour you're doing there!
As if to say, slow down.
jordan holmes
Stop, stop, stop.
dan friesen
Slow down, please.
Sweaty mess, just like, blah, let me tell you about blah, blah.
It was rough.
You could even see in Logan Paul, of all people, A, like, wow, this is a bit much.
I will say that Logan Paul's a pretty good pro wrestler.
Surprisingly quite good.
jordan holmes
I genuinely, like, whenever he was like, hey, you heard of Logan Paul?
He has a UFO video.
My first thought is just like, oh, God, I wish I just hit me with a UFO and end it for me now.
Just stop this.
Just stop this madness.
dan friesen
It's not something that you love to hear.
jordan holmes
Just hit me with a UFO because what are we doing?
dan friesen
Doesn't it sound like when you're passing a blunt around with people in college?
You hear about Logan Paul?
He's got a UFO video.
jordan holmes
And here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
People are going to tell you that they faked the moon landing.
Motherfucker, we made it to the moon.
Of course we made it to the moon.
dan friesen
So many times.
jordan holmes
But you can't videotape it.
So we had to fake the moon landing.
dan friesen
Everybody knows that video cameras need to breathe.
jordan holmes
They need air.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex also has a connection to Roswell, if you'd believe it.
Of course he does.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
alex jones
Well, Greer is right.
Greer is right.
Most of this is human.
They're doing it to make us think the aliens are violent.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
If they were violent, they'd already blown us up.
shane cashman
Right, right.
alex jones
Okay?
And God's in control of all these groups.
So, I agree with him that, look, it's the same story.
I'm an intel officer.
I'm the first to say at Roswell we discovered bodies and crap.
There's like 50 officers that have come out.
This story happens like every year.
shane cashman
Right.
alex jones
So it's always the same, like we're animals, like the same program, the same why, the same thing.
And meanwhile, this gets even weirder.
Let's not.
I'm in Texas.
My grandfather was a World War II vet.
He worked for oil companies.
So the big oil fields then were in New Mexico, in Roswell.
And my grandfather from like 46 to like 52, my uncle was born out in New Mexico.
They worked and lived in Roswell.
The big building then, it's the big square building, it's the petroleum building.
So we were coming back from a Christmas trip.
Like, my grandmother's dead now at 92, but she was probably like 80 or something.
This was like 15, 16 years ago, because my third child wasn't even born then.
And we go out to Rio Dosa or whatever, to some mountain thing to ski out there.
And so we come back, and it's like two days after Christmas, and we stop at the Denny's and Roswell.
She's like, oh yeah, Bill.
My grandfather had been dead a few years.
He worked right there in the petroleum building, and we lived in a little house right down the street here, and I'm in this den, and nobody's in there.
And I'm like, really?
I forgot you guys lived in Roswell.
Well, what happened in 47 or 48 or whatever year it was?
She goes, oh, we were here.
I saw the big truck and the tarp and the army men with their guns, and they said it was all secret.
Well, if you look at a map where that thing crashed, there's all these highways and roads.
Why would they bring it through Main Street in the middle of the day with the press?
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
It was all a PSYOP.
It was all...
So my grandmother was there.
They're like, there's a flying saucer.
The aliens are here.
Here, let's all go out here in Roswell on the main road, and then let's sit here and see it.
And it was just a joke.
shane cashman
The parade.
So we have to constantly balance the PSYOP of these things, but also...
We understand that these beings do exist, whether interdimensional or not.
alex jones
Yeah, they want to control the narrative about it because it's so important.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what's going on.
jordan holmes
Alright, so yes, obviously they exist.
Obviously they're real.
dan friesen
You can probably hear those sirens outside.
They're worried that we're talking about Alex's grandma blowing the lid off Roswell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
But...
It's not about whether or not they're real.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It's about controlling how people know whether or not they're real.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
So yes, it was a real thing.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But also, it was a PSYOP.
dan friesen
PSYOP.
jordan holmes
So it is both real and not real simultaneously.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Great.
Great story.
dan friesen
God, his family is just involved in everything.
jordan holmes
You know, it reminds me of the movie Gross Point, but I don't know why this has always stuck with me, but there's a nice little character beat in Gross Point Blank where the two FBI agents, one of them just goes, why do you always gotta know everybody?
You know, oh, I think I was with that guy in 94. Why do you always gotta know everybody?
You know, like, it's just that kind of like, that's such an annoying character trait.
You always have a personal connection to everything.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
So it does seem like he really wants...
To impress this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for some reason.
dan friesen
I think it's because he works for Tim Pool, and Alex recognizes that Tim Pool has a larger reach and is, like, ascendant within that right-wing scammersphere.
jordan holmes
So you think you're going with the buttering him up kind of situation?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he's got a pretty consistent strategy of buttering people up now.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if you look at, like, the things that Alex kind of would need for lifelines, you know, you have Steven Crowder over here.
You have, I mean, I don't know what Tucker's going to be able to do for him on Twitter.
But, you know.
You know, maybe keep that on the back burner.
But then you also have this tenuous connection to Tim Pool and maybe trying to strengthen that, getting on the big show over there.
Maybe that's the way to go.
It seems very doable.
I mean, Luke Radowski is one of his co-hosts, and that dude owes his career to Alex, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
It makes sense why you would bump another guest for this guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you really want to try and get, like...
In as good as you can with the pool crowd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does track.
dan friesen
And so we have one last clip, and Alex tries to blow a mind again, and then also a really sad image.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
So apparently Jimmy Carter wanted to reveal that aliens existed, and he was not allowed to.
And I'm just going to spoil this even before the clip, because it's such a sad image, and I don't know if you're ready for it.
Jimmy Carter cried about not being able to reveal aliens.
And I don't like the image of Jimmy Carter crying.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the worst part, the worst part, right, is he was like, I want to reveal the existence of aliens.
And they were like, no, you have to work for Habitat for Humanity.
dan friesen
Yeah, for the rest of your life.
jordan holmes
For the rest of your life.
dan friesen
You know what the shortest line in the congressional record is?
Carter wept.
Anyway, here's the last one.
jordan holmes
Well done.
alex jones
And then, I mean, again, creatures that are coming from light years away are flying in tin cans and are little and gray and fall over and die.
And then our jets can shoot them down.
I mean, give me a break, folks.
shane cashman
You know about the Carter, the Jimmy Carter story?
alex jones
Oh, yeah, he's up at the White House.
They see all the aliens.
shane cashman
He saw the flying saucer outside of a Lions club in Georgia, and then he promised to release UFO information when he got into the presidency.
And then he asked, I believe, Bush, who was in charge of the CIA.
And the story goes, he was rejected and then cried about it, supposedly.
dan friesen
But I was like that.
alex jones
Well, as if the president wasn't in charge of the CIA.
shane cashman
There you go.
alex jones
But, yeah, that's how this works.
shane cashman
Yep, that's exactly right.
alex jones
People forget George Herbert Walker Bush was the director of the CIA.
shane cashman
Exactly.
Exactly.
alex jones
Never worked for him.
jordan holmes
People don't forget that.
alex jones
He actually ran part of the killing assassination.
He was photographed at Dealey Plaza.
shane cashman
I wonder if Kale will start saying stuff like that.
alex jones
Let's finish up for five minutes, then we're going to go...
unidentified
Hi, I'm Dr. Joel Wallach, the dead doctors don't lie guy.
dan friesen
Another missed break there a little bit.
Cut off mid-sentence.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So yeah, Bush was not photographed at Dealey Plaza.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
There's a guy who dumb-dumb conspiracy theorists think is Bush, but it doesn't look like him, and it's not him.
jordan holmes
Do you know who it is?
John F. Kennedy Jr.
What?
Yeah, from the future.
dan friesen
You know who it is?
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
Alex's uncle.
His other uncle.
jordan holmes
Do you know who's on the Crusty Knoll?
dan friesen
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
All of Alex's family.
jordan holmes
Exactly, the whole family.
It was a family reunion.
It was the whole thing.
They were there.
dan friesen
Yep, all the tramps.
All of Alex's cousins.
jordan holmes
Everybody's like, we're coming back from Nam!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Little known fact, Zabruder, fake name.
jordan holmes
Fake name.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
Jones.
jordan holmes
David Jones.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
So, we come to the end of this, and look, my bad.
We didn't get to the indictment response, but that'll be for Friday.
And we did get to see some dumb guests pop in and waste everyone's time.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we did.
dan friesen
So, at least there's that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
And, I mean, we got to talk about Ska and Donkey Kong music.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not all a wash.
jordan holmes
Skunky Kong.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
That's the band.
jordan holmes
Donkey Skong?
Or Skonky Kong?
dan friesen
Probably Skonky Kong.
jordan holmes
I think Skonky Kong is the way to go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DCX Clark.
Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
Eh?
Scott, Scott.
unidentified
Scott?
Oh, you know what?
Eh.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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