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June 9, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
02:12:59
#815: June 6, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex is doing. In this installment, Alex returns from a long vacation only to immediately leave again to do his show from Steven Crowder's studio. Also, Alex recites Heart lyrics and supports the idea of making homosexuality illegal.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
25:34
d
dan friesen
59:49
j
jordan holmes
35:23
Appearances
o
owen shroyer
01:15
Clips
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pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
Callers
owl killer in virginia
00:18
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
We need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Found.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
What's your bright spot today?
Oh, boy.
My mouth got a little mealy.
False start.
What is your bright spot, sir?
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Repeat first down.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, sir, but what is your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is, you know, we...
We're both gentlemen who have mental health things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Things!
No, I've had a bit of some depression flare-up and anxiety in the past months or so.
I've been dealing with a number of things and a lot on my plate.
Not to complain or anything, and this is a bright spot.
During COVID...
During the pandemic, I think a lot of people transitioned from going to a therapist to going on the phone if they had a therapist or using some kind of a virtual thing.
And that's fine, but I felt it was kind of lacking in something.
And I've just recently started going back to the physical location to see my therapist, who I had been seeing throughout the pandemic over the phone.
And it's just, I mean, I don't know if it's the same for everybody, but for me, it's so much better.
Yeah.
unidentified
It feels more like we're in a space that's meant for therapy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And there's an appointment-ness to it.
dan friesen
There's an ability to be a little bit more open and raw because I'm not talking into a phone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's like the third space, you know?
It's like if you're at home, you're just at home, you know?
You've got to be at the third space to be fully engaged in the thing that you're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I think that's, you know, a lot of people...
dan friesen
I don't know if it's the same Doing exercise at home, whereas going to the gym can be a little bit...
jordan holmes
Completely different experience, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's the case for me with therapy.
It's just, you know, it's great.
jordan holmes
It's your brain gym.
dan friesen
To go back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My brain jam?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's your brain gym.
dan friesen
Oh, brain gym.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you go, you get some, you get some, you get a good hard workout in, get some sweats.
dan friesen
The therapy is the brain jams.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The brain gym.
Yeah, we, me and a friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, used to have the same therapist.
And we would always call it, we were doing a set.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wouldn't you see each other?
dan friesen
Well, so one time...
jordan holmes
I think you did it one time.
dan friesen
I think I've heard a story.
Yeah, one time we had appointments back to back.
And I was first.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so the therapist was like, now don't be worried when you go out into the waiting room.
Your friend is going to be there, but you can just not say...
It's fine.
jordan holmes
It's fine.
You don't know us.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We did a show about this.
Earlier today.
We did a show about you.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And then, I don't remember exactly what he said, but, like, in the waiting room, Marty said something along the lines of, like, you know, just, like, you warm him up?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Do the opening set?
jordan holmes
I would have said something along the lines of, oh, shit, man, I don't want to have to follow you after this, you know, like that, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, look, Marty is capable of following me on stage, but maybe not in therapy.
jordan holmes
Maybe not in therapy, yeah.
Marty likes to be the favorite.
dan friesen
That was a...
Fun period of time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe not as effective as my current therapist.
But yeah, that was fun.
Sometimes there's experiences.
What about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Dan.
Tennis!
Tennis, Dan.
Tennis.
dan friesen
The one time I don't mock you about tennis.
jordan holmes
French Open.
You missed it.
unidentified
Bonjour.
jordan holmes
Ah, so good.
So good.
Semi-finals, when you're hearing this, they will be played between Carlos Alcaraz and Novak Djokovic.
dan friesen
Alcaraz.
jordan holmes
And Kasparud and Alexander Zverev.
Two cool storylines.
One, last year Zverev ripped his whole ankle off.
dan friesen
The whole ankle.
jordan holmes
The whole ankle was just gone.
He had to leave in a wheelchair.
Right?
This year, he's back at it in the semifinals.
New ankle.
Congratulations!
Brand new robot ankle.
Proud of the guy.
dan friesen
Pretty sweet.
jordan holmes
And then, Novak Djokovic, because Rafa can't play.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Rafa's injured.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
And Djokovic is the anti-vaxxer, right?
jordan holmes
Yes, he is.
dan friesen
Okay, yeah.
jordan holmes
So, this is his chance.
They're tied for the most majors won in all of history, and this is Djokovic's chance to take the lead for the first time ever, right?
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Who should be in front of him?
unidentified
What a new Spanish god!
dan friesen
The child, right?
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
The baby Alcatraz.
jordan holmes
The number one player in the world is 20 years old or whatever.
dan friesen
Right, right.
He's your new Rafa.
jordan holmes
He's the new Rafa.
He just pulled in right when Rafa took off, and it's just going to keep going.
So we'll see.
I think Algaraz is going to beat the hell out of him.
It's going to be fascinating.
It's giving me hope that the younger generation will solve climate change.
That's how good at tennis Alcaraz is.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Do you think Rafa sat Alcaraz down and was like...
My countrymen.
You must defend my title.
jordan holmes
No, I think Rafa is currently working with a witch or something on a spell that will allow him to move his brain into Alcaraz's body in order to continue his reign of dominance forever and ever.
dan friesen
I've heard of this being done.
jordan holmes
I think there was a Scooby-Doo movie about it, and I think that is what Rafa has been watching a lot lately.
dan friesen
I think there's a bunch of Alex episodes, possibly about fairly similar things.
jordan holmes
I think it could work.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we've got a present-day episode to go over today.
jordan holmes
Do we?
dan friesen
Alex is back in studio.
jordan holmes
All right.
He's out of the hotel.
dan friesen
Briefly.
And then he was right back out.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
And we'll talk about that here in a minute.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Jen Ebix, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, occupied Texas, born and raised.
The adrenochrome farm is where I spent my days.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Was there a song I missed there that that's to the tune of?
jordan holmes
Oakland, Born and Raised.
On the Playground is where I spent most of my day.
As far as the cold read, you got the meter right.
That was pretty solid.
dan friesen
Next, Soft Whisper.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Wonky Kong Country 3, Jordan's Conquest.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I got something to say about that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The first thing is...
Wait, was it?
I think that number two was Diddy's Conquest.
Dixie was the main one.
Maybe it might have been Dixie's Conquest.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
I don't like three.
jordan holmes
I was wondering where we were going to end up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't like three.
dan friesen
I've been over this a little bit.
I think that Donkey Kong 1, Donkey Kong Country 1. Perfect.
Not perfect.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But good.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Very good.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Fantastic level designs.
Beautiful music.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
Gorgeous looking.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But also, a little bit...
It's the first attempt.
jordan holmes
A little vanilla!
dan friesen
Got it perfect in two.
Three was a mistake.
jordan holmes
Three was a mistake.
dan friesen
And then I kind of...
Like, Donkey Kong 64 is a problem.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
For a number of reasons.
jordan holmes
64 of them.
dan friesen
At least.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There are way too many collectibles.
It makes no sense.
The whole game is annoying.
You have to backtrack all over the fucking place.
Very unsatisfying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everything else in the middle is kind of a blur, and then you get to Tropical Freeze, and it's perfect.
jordan holmes
Back at it.
dan friesen
Back to perfect.
jordan holmes
Back to the top.
dan friesen
But Wonky Kong 3. 3, I feel, is where things really fell apart.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
After the one really good one, and then the first one that was pretty good.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, I have a lot of thoughts about Donkey Kong.
jordan holmes
It seems so.
dan friesen
Also, there's a request here for the Technocrat clip that says, how's your 401k doing, bro?
I don't know which one that is.
I don't know if I can fulfill that request, but I will say, how's your 401k doing, bro?
Sorry, this is the problem with cold reading.
You didn't tell me to have a specific clip.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's how clip rating works.
dan friesen
I guess I can try one of them.
I have a couple.
unidentified
Pick one and see what happens.
dan friesen
No, because I have the long one.
Let's see.
What is this one?
You're a traitor, Dan.
That's not it.
jordan holmes
What if you named these?
dan friesen
So just imagine that in your head.
jordan holmes
You're a traitor, Dan.
dan friesen
So we got a couple of technocrats in the mix.
One of them is going to be very disappointing.
But thank you so much to Nodbard.
You're now a technocrat.
And Harry Azkarak.
Is that the tennis player?
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
I'll try and find that one for the next episode.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'll try and make good on that, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's on me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or you could have read the email.
dan friesen
Why would I do that?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
You should have texted me.
jordan holmes
Am I texting you about emails that I sent you to?
dan friesen
You could.
jordan holmes
Okay, I apologize.
dan friesen
If there's prep that needs to be done.
jordan holmes
Yes, okay.
My bad.
dan friesen
This could have come up also in our daily meeting.
That we don't have.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex was in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
I recall.
dan friesen
Had a very nice time.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And then he came back on Sunday and did his show on Sunday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then he did his show on Monday.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then he left.
He left again.
So since then, he's been broadcasting from Steven Crowder's studio.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's just gone.
I think he's in Dallas, if I recall.
I get Dallas and Houston confused, and I'd like to apologize to Texas.
But I think he's in Dallas.
And so yeah, he's there.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
What's even weirder, too, is if you watch them as opposed to just listen to them, you'll see that both days, when I was preparing this, there was Tuesday and Wednesday out, and the videos of them, you had...
First day, Alex is in a Strange Animal shirt, which is Steven Crowder's merch.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then the next day, he's in a I'm Pro-Life Change My Mind shirt, which is more Steven Crowder merch.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's doing the show in Steven Crowder's studio in Crowder merch.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Crowder, Crowder, you think you're coming out on top of this, but that's sneaky stuff.
I wouldn't trust me if I wore somebody else's merch, they should be thinking that I'm going to steal their merch, right?
dan friesen
At least the one you have on.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that Steven does think he has the upper hand here in some way, but I don't know if he knows what he's dealing with.
And I don't think he's realized how far he's alienated a great deal of the potential allies he could have to have leverage over Alex.
Whereas now, like...
Alex is going to fuck around to take over the mug club.
That's what's going to happen.
Alex is going to be hanging out with Jim Brewer and Nick DiPaolo.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Lord knows we're about to see Tucker, Alex, Crowder, Monster, three-headed Hydra appear.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Did you check out that Twitter show?
jordan holmes
No, I didn't.
I heard it happen.
dan friesen
You missed out.
jordan holmes
I heard it happened and that he got in trouble.
dan friesen
Did he?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Fox News' lawyers were like, hey, you can't do that.
dan friesen
Non-compete thing?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he was like, I have lawyers too, and so then they're just gonna do that for a while.
dan friesen
Fun!
I look forward to seeing how that all boils out.
unidentified
Eh.
dan friesen
So, um...
We have an episode to go over from Steven Crowder's studio.
So we're going to be talking about the 6th, which is Tuesday.
Alex's entrance into...
And what I found very interesting about this is the episode was largely phone calls.
It was largely callers.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know why he's...
jordan holmes
He's at Crowder's studio taking Infowars callers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I guess maybe part of it was he wanted to be on Crowder's show to try and poach that audience.
Sure.
But this, yeah, there's no...
Doing it multiple days, being in Crowder's studio multiple days is strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is...
There's something going on.
jordan holmes
What is he fucking recording an album and sleeping in the studio with Kendrick?
What is happening?
dan friesen
If I had to guess, the painting show and Alex Jones Live didn't work out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so now he's trying to do it over here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's kind of what I'm guessing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And by doing it under Crowder's umbrella, he can literally say, see, it's not the Alex Jones show.
dan friesen
I think that...
That is what it smells like to me.
So we're going to talk about that episode, but first we're going to talk a little bit about something that happened on Friday's show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that was that Alex did a little bit of a breakdown of the future of Infowars.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is important stuff.
jordan holmes
I'm going to take a lot more vacations.
That's the future of InfoWars.
I'm going to be in Hawaii a lot.
dan friesen
This may come up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So Owen tells the audience that Alex has got to come in.
He's got some emergency business to take care of.
owen shroyer
Second hour of the Alex Jones Show.
We may be joined by Alex Jones any minute now, but I want to give out the phone lines in case he cannot join us dealing with some emergency business right now.
877-789-2539.
unidentified
time.
owen shroyer
And it is Friday, so I'd say we can take a call on whatever you want.
But specifically, do you agree with my political forecasting?
And where do you lie right now?
Storm's coming.
What's that, guys?
Okay, we're going to be, well, now maybe we're going to have to hold off on this.
We are hearing from Alex now.
We are dialing up.
We are getting connected with Alex Jones right now.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
owen shroyer
So let's hold the phone on that, guys.
Let me know on the board there what the case is.
In the meantime, ladies and gentlemen, Infowarsstore.com, that's how everything we do here is possible.
dan friesen
So, this is thrilling.
You know, it's touch and go.
Maybe we're going to calls.
Maybe Alex is going to show up.
What's this?
I hear something in my ear.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Do we have Alex on the blower?
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it does seem like we do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we got to talk about this important reason that Alex is showing up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
owen shroyer
Alex Jones now joins us.
Alex, you've been on a working vacation, but you've broken two news stories this week.
Everybody talking about Jamie Foxx now after you talked about it.
And everybody talking about Mark Zuckerberg's secret lair after you talked about that yesterday.
alex jones
I did see all that in the news, but really, that's our huge audience.
That's the real power of this operation.
But I'm glad you brought up, right before I came on, InfoWars and funding.
So I want to speak to that before we hit these two big stories.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Not a surprise.
dan friesen
We're going to talk about funding.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to talk about funding.
dan friesen
So the two stories that he broke are Mark Zuckerberg's secret lair, which...
jordan holmes
We already...
dan friesen
Giant robots, combat robots.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's still no evidence of this that Alex has presented.
Maybe it's coming down the road.
Maybe he did it today and I just haven't seen it.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
Doubt it.
jordan holmes
It's unlikely.
dan friesen
Then the Jamie Foxx thing.
jordan holmes
What's the Jamie Foxx thing?
dan friesen
There's a story that he got hospitalized.
He was hospitalized, according to his family and such, a while back.
And the theory is that it's because he got the vax.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so, QAnon Twitter is excited about Alex's two stories that he broke.
Wow.
Whereas, he didn't really.
The Jamie Foxx thing was because, like, it got talked about a lot because A.J. Benza...
The guy who used to host that show on E!
Sure!
jordan holmes
Oh, of course!
dan friesen
You don't remember the Bens?
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He was on Dr. Drew's show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he talked some shit about Jamie Foxx.
And so that got a bunch of coverage.
Now Alex is pretending everybody's talking about it because of him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I guess his vacation was the only real reason anyone would talk about submarine bases and secret combat robots.
But I also didn't see anybody talking about that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I don't hang around on weird parts of Twitter and Gab and Telegram, though.
jordan holmes
Now, if there was...
Because I know there was the new Air Force guy who's coming out being like, hey, aliens are with us, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, if that guy came out and was like, also...
If you just go a little bit out into the ocean, you'll see that Zuckerberg has a 500-foot tall Gundam in the ocean.
That would be like, okay, now we're talking.
I think Alex might have been right.
I don't think so now.
dan friesen
I think Alex also believes that there's a bit of a false flag situation going on with that alien stuff.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Fine.
Fine.
dan friesen
So, AJ Benza was on...
Mysteries and Scandals?
Is that the name of the show?
I don't know.
It was some boring show on E!
It was sort of like gossipy or whatever.
I remember his commercials a lot.
He had slicked back hair and he'd always be like on a street with a fog machine.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It's like a dark street with a spotlight and a fog machine.
jordan holmes
He's the cigarette guy on X-Files.
dan friesen
But young and slicked back hair.
So yeah, Benza!
All right.
So Alex couldn't do the first hour of the show.
He was supposed to do the whole show today, but he couldn't because there was important stuff going on.
alex jones
I was unable to do the show this morning at the first hour because several hours I was dealing with accounting.
And I'm not complaining.
It's just where we are and all the different things that have happened and what's going on that I was telling listeners that we finally got back into the black.
In the last three or four months, but actually we are now back in the red.
dan friesen
Oh no.
jordan holmes
How crazy is it that that was?
dan friesen
What a shock.
jordan holmes
That's crazy how that happened.
dan friesen
A man with those spending patterns?
I can't imagine.
jordan holmes
So you were in the black and now you're in the red.
It's almost like once you got the money, then you spent it right away.
unidentified
You went on a big vacation to Hawaii and then you are in the red.
jordan holmes
Weird how that works.
dan friesen
So it's possible that Alex was talking to accounting.
But I have another theory.
I noticed something about Alex that was different than other days when he's been on vacation, and that is that I noticed he was wearing a wristband.
I did a little Googling and went on TripAdvisor, and as it turns out, the Royal Sinesta Resort is a place where you need a wristband to use the pool.
It's apparently also a room key.
Like, it works as a key, but...
That argument, like, you know, that he had it on all the time and just used it as a key, it doesn't really work for me because he wasn't wearing it in the other days that he did the show.
I think he was skipping out on the show because he wanted to go to the pool.
But he needed to pop back in and complain about how they needed more money to fund his trips to the pool.
jordan holmes
I can't believe this.
I can't believe this.
I don't have enough, like...
Space inside my eustachian tubes for the amount of fluid backing up into my throat right now, ready to spit onto somebody.
dan friesen
No, it's beautiful.
jordan holmes
Monstrosity.
dan friesen
It's beautiful.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
This level of brazen scammery is gorgeous.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
How does it...
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, how would it play if he's like, hey, Owen, I was at the pool for the first hour, so I just thought I'd come in and pretend I was talking to a accountant.
jordan holmes
I mean, because then you know he's at the pool like a half hour before he's supposed to be there, and they're like, hey, aren't you going to go do the thing?
He's just like, I just can't do it today.
I just can't do it.
dan friesen
Owen's there.
jordan holmes
Owen can do it.
And then an hour later, he's like, oh, no, no, that's right, I'm broke.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Shit.
dan friesen
So he finally took a vacation.
He gets into that here.
And I should point out that he's been on a vacation to Mexico twice in the last few months.
So it's not a finally I took a vacation.
This is an excessive pattern of vacations that he's been taking.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
But maybe he should just quit.
jordan holmes
Yes, he should.
alex jones
The reason I'm giving people an update on this is this.
I'm sitting here with no money.
And I'm sitting here with free speech, stabilized, and about to be able to stay on air indefinitely.
And then I'm sitting here feeling good about a month ago saying, okay, finally I'm going to take a week and a half vacation and go check some stuff out while I'm at it and investigate Zuckerberg and these underground bases, which I'm going to talk about more when I get back this weekend, tomorrow, Sunday.
Photos, although we have incredible testimonies, you name it.
But then I get, I don't want to say chewed out, but I'm like, to the point where...
It's like, well, no money's coming in.
And when you leave, we don't bring in enough money to even pay the bills.
dan friesen
Owen sucks.
alex jones
That's up to listeners, folks.
Okay?
I have done this 29 years.
I'm not complaining, but I can't kill myself.
And I really feel like my primary mission's complete.
Everybody knows about the New World Order now.
We're inside the New World Order.
I want to stay on air.
We've got more important work to do, like exposing.
Power outage plans they have.
We told you we're going to blame on, quote, right-wingers and Christians and, quote, white people.
And now that preposterous, ludicrous BS is the top story.
We have an important mission to continue on.
And I'm not bitching it to listeners.
In fact, maybe God wants me to retire.
All I'm saying is that...
We have great products you need regardless.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So make no mistake about this.
The underlying message that Alex is trying to send to the audience is if they don't make his job profitable enough, he doesn't want to do it anymore.
Maybe it's time for him to retire.
But if you don't want him to, then maybe you should help God send Alex a sign by buying more products and funding more vacations.
And when he's saying he got chewed out, that was probably like one of his accountants or somebody being like, hey, you dick.
We're in the middle of a bankruptcy.
We're trying to do a reorganization thing, and a lot of this relies on the goodwill of people thinking that you're operating in good faith with the bankruptcy process, and here you go off two weeks to fucking Hawaii to this resort.
What are you doing?
Why are you spending this kind of money?
You're supposed to be broke.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that's probably what he got chewed out about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would chew him out about that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That seems like a reasonable thing to be chewed out about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If I were in bankruptcy and I spent lavishly on something, I would expect to be chewed out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, if, God forbid, anything happens to Erica, I am going to blame every single person involved in the law for doing it.
It's their fault.
I will be mad at them also.
It's a team effort!
dan friesen
I agree with you spiritually, but maybe there aren't...
Legal procedures that they could go through to speed up this process in any way that would be, like, appropriate.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
Then you should blame the people who created the bankruptcy process.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
You understand that all you're really saying is that the entirety of the system is broken.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
Correct.
jordan holmes
We need to tear it entirely down.
dan friesen
Well, this worked.
Also, you can hear in there very clearly people at Infowars being like, no one buys shit when you're not here.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
The rest of your staff is useless.
unidentified
Yup.
dan friesen
And so you gotta come in.
You're on a vacation?
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
It is like you have to come.
You know, whenever his dad was like, oh, this is a single talent business, that is not an exaggeration, even in the slightest.
dan friesen
No, it's a blessing and a curse, inasmuch as he does have that magnetism to the audience that he can exploit.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's also like, once you stop spinning those plates, those plates are falling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have no support.
jordan holmes
Nobody else can do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's his own fault.
jordan holmes
And you can't even separate the plates and give one to one person and one to it.
You have gotten people who have no ability to spin plates.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And you kind of self-select for losers when you have an operation like the one Alex has.
Anybody with actual talent will not gravitate towards it to begin with.
unidentified
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
And if they do, they'll see what's going on there and be like...
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't want to be associated with this.
Like video of Alex throwing bottles of liquor around and stuff in the office.
If you were somebody who wanted to have a legitimate career in any kind of media or communication, you would see that and be like, I don't think I should do this.
This isn't a place where I'm going to...
Hone my skills.
jordan holmes
And if you had any talent, you would also have the ability to walk out.
dan friesen
In theory.
If you hadn't already been tainted so much by your association.
jordan holmes
Right.
I think, personally speaking, whenever people are doing that whole specious argument, like, oh, if there's a god, then strike me dead right now with a bolt of lightning.
Send me a sign.
Something like that, right?
That's ludicrous.
I do think, though, that if you get a $1.5 billion judgment against you, that's as close to God literally shooting you with a lightning bolt as you could possibly get.
You should stop.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a sign.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I mean, like, that had to be unanimous.
And it was a jury that decided.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
They were better than God!
There were 12 of them!
dan friesen
And they decided...
That amount to send a message.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Very clearly.
jordan holmes
And that message is stopped.
dan friesen
It's a message from society.
Yes!
jordan holmes
Retire!
dan friesen
Lightning bolt.
jordan holmes
Quit!
dan friesen
So, the issue with the settlement and the damages is that Wilford Snibblesnabble of the Gribble Pibble came in and said that Alex was worth all this money.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's not.
He doesn't have all this money.
And so everyone thinks that he's worth all this money.
So nobody wants to give him money because they think he's all rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are.
alex jones
We're viral everywhere, but the show itself is isolated.
It's not as big as it was four or five years ago, but it was giant.
But it's still core and large and actually growing.
But the reach of our clips everywhere is bigger than ever.
It's just that that doesn't translate back to people at infowars.com and band on video to see the live show, to listen to the actual program, and actually hear the sponsors to get us funds.
So we're more successful.
Than ever at reaching people and fighting the globalists and creating counter-talking points to their lives.
But we're not successful at money, and it is due to their psyop on thousands of TV programs, thousands, thousands of news articles, because they'll write one article and it's syndicated to thousands of publications.
I mean, some days, hundreds of articles a day, hundreds of new TV shows a day.
CNN does a report, and it's all over their CNN channels around the country.
I mean, it's just insane.
CBS does a report.
It's all over CBS.
Shane, Jones is worth, and his company, and personally, $400 million.
Listeners really believed that and thought, well, this guy doesn't need donations.
This guy doesn't need money.
Well, now, notice you don't hear about the bankruptcy in the news anymore.
And if you want to go read the filings, the U.S. Trustee's Office testified three weeks ago that Mr. Jones has no money.
There is no money there, and none of what was filed by these people over the years is true.
Oh, sorry!
You can ring a court, you can tell the jury I'm guilty, you can lie and say I have $400 million, but see, when the cow came to eat the cabbage, it wasn't true.
None of it was ever true.
dan friesen
That's not true.
jordan holmes
That's not even close to true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the reason that there's no media coverage necessarily of the bankruptcy process is because it's in the process.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, once there's a thing to report, it will end up being, you know, there will be reporting on it.
But like Morgan Stringer is tweeting about the hearings and stuff, that's not necessarily the news in quotes, but, you know, there is coverage of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're getting updates.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You just gotta get a, you know, look.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when you order, we're in the part of the ordering food where it's gone from the we've made your order to now it's in delivery process.
There's really not much exciting about the in delivery process other than, like, update turning right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Update turning left.
Yeah.
Do you want that?
dan friesen
Do you want a text message alert?
jordan holmes
Is that exciting?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's exciting.
dan friesen
Delivery person slowed down two miles per hour.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Like, is that what you, I mean, I don't know what to do for you.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do want to update, I guess, maybe if a delivery person is lost, which might metaphorically be close to how it feels the bankruptcy process is going.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
But, you know.
So, God wants you to give Alex money.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
But really, it's just in God's hands, and it's in you out there, whether you're touched by God to support us or not, but everybody really should go.
I mean, show me.
Infowarsstore.com, at the very top, it says to make a donation.
And make a donation right there at the top.
jordan holmes
I dare you to make me go to work.
alex jones
Repeated canceling time.
Does it charge you $10, $100?
Whatever you can do.
And all the middle class people and upper middle class people and rich people that sit on the fence, why don't you go to Infowarsstore.com and buy 20 Alexa Pure water filters and give them to the church.
Give them to the local police department.
Give them to your family.
Go buy 20 of them.
dan friesen
Go buy 20!
jordan holmes
You don't have the courage to force me to go to work every day.
This audience does not have the collective will to make me go to work.
How dare you?
How dare all of you?
dan friesen
That's...
bold.
So, um, he just wants cash.
He wants to be flooded with cash.
jordan holmes
He just wants cash.
alex jones
I don't know if an asteroid's coming.
I'm not sure what's happening, but I just know that the problems are so bad now.
That it's made my problem small.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like you got a broken leg and then you find out your dad's got cancer.
And you don't even worry about your broken leg anymore because you find out your dad has cancer.
That's a hypothetical.
And at a certain point, like, I mean, they've done such bad stuff behind the scenes that I haven't even talked about.
The nastiness they've done to me in the last few years, my family and things, have been so painful and have been so horrible that...
They were blessings.
It really helped me get my mind together.
It really helped me grow up a lot and really realize we were right about the enemy, too.
And I actually thank God for allowing the persecution.
And I just appreciate God, and I understand that it's in God's plan.
But dammit, I don't want to give up.
And I wish we were flooded with money.
Gosh, it'd be so easy if I wasn't spending half my time scrounging around for money.
And that's why I have to take more vacations now.
I just cannot spend five hours a day scrounging around for money.
Dammit, I hate it.
I absolutely hate it.
And, you know, it's just so frustrating.
If people would just go to Infowars.com, you need one of these filters.
dan friesen
Don't you understand?
He needs to take vacations from trying to make money for his vacations.
Yep.
Three, at least three vacations this year so far, and we're in, you know, we just finished May.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Three, like, well, I guess Hawaii's not international, but, you know.
It's close to international in some ways.
jordan holmes
Just because you don't have a passport doesn't mean it's not like a 10 hour flight or whatever it is.
I don't know what to say.
dan friesen
It is pretty staggering.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know how it's possible.
The way that my idea of how the world has always worked is shattered by this man doing this.
Everything I have ever been taught I believe is wrong.
Entirely.
Because following rules was a terrible idea.
You could do this!
dan friesen
Well, not everybody could.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
That's the issue.
jordan holmes
You gotta work pretty hard to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Or...
dan friesen
There's a long entry process.
Not everybody lacks the moral character that Alex does.
You know, like the...
He doesn't give a shit at all.
And a lot of people would have misgivings about doing a lot of this stuff.
And that would trip you up along the way.
You would really screw up something if you weren't primarily motivated by completely scamming people.
But also, I think that one of the things that is dynamic about his fuckery is that he was not...
Primarily motivated by scamming people like when he was on public access.
And all that time.
That motivation shifted.
That's...
Most people don't have.
jordan holmes
I think rich people go crazy.
dan friesen
You're probably right.
It's part of it.
jordan holmes
Once you get a certain amount of money, you just lose your mind.
Because, I mean, what human being could possibly be like, okay, we're going to charge $10,000 for insulin?
Like, that's insane.
dan friesen
That's insane.
And I think that the other thing, too, is that there's probably a corrosive process in your brain when you're someone like Alex and you can see, like, okay, I go on air and I freak out about something ridiculous.
And I see a million more dollars coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And you see, I take a break, Owen's on, and I lose everything.
Nobody buys anything.
There has to be something really bizarre about that.
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I could totally...
dan friesen
It disincentivizes decent behavior.
jordan holmes
Here's what I could...
I could totally see a possible future wherein this starts happening and you just go full nihilist.
You're like...
Because you're self-aware of what you're doing and how successful it is, you'd have to be like, well, there's no hope for humanity anyways, right?
Look at what I'm doing and I'm a millionaire.
Fuck it.
Everybody must die!
dan friesen
Deeply black-pilled.
Well, he does constantly get into moods where everyone should die.
jordan holmes
There is a little bit of that.
dan friesen
So I know that Alex was going to do some hidden camera stuff where everyone loved him.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
He hasn't done that.
He talks about it a little bit more.
But then also there's a new group of people who love him.
alex jones
Last night I had six women in bikinis as I'm walking my pathway at the hotel come up from the beach and start jumping all over me and grabbing me and hopping up and down.
I mean, folks, and then it happened again, again, and again, and again.
And again, I'm not bragging.
I want the enemy to know you screwed up.
Everyone hates you.
jordan holmes
Bikini babes love me now.
alex jones
So you think you radiated me and destroyed me?
No.
You made me ten times stronger.
dan friesen
I am so powerful.
jordan holmes
I accidentally found myself walking by a lot of 80s car wash movies.
dan friesen
There were a couple people in bikinis at the pool before I came on the show today.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding, wearing the bracelet from the pool.
Listen, these bikini ladies.
dan friesen
They love me.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why would you even say that?
That's just...
dan friesen
Yeah, so here's how the update on InfoWars' future finishes, which I think we've got a good sense of InfoWars' future.
alex jones
We're treading water here, ladies and gentlemen.
Part of this process of them trying to break me, part of this process of them trying to destroy me, is why I told you about six months ago, I said, I'm going to take off a week out of the month.
That means if I don't take off for a couple months, I'm going to take off two weeks.
I've got to spend time with my family.
I've got to get in shape.
I've got to get closer to God.
I've got to spend time to research and meditate on what's good and what's wholesome.
I've had some family that I've not spent enough time with.
And I've had some family that's been having some medical problems.
I'll see you at that.
And, you know, hey, when family members won't go to the doctor and they're having serious issues, I, you know, I mean, I make them go to the doctor.
I take them to the doctor.
So some days when I'm not there, it's because I'm taking a family member to the doctor, making them go to the doctor.
And I'm just sorry.
At this point, my family comes first.
I've done my mission.
I want to launch my new mission.
But it's up to you whether we continue or not.
Infowarstore.com.
X3 is about to sell out.
jordan holmes
Impressive.
dan friesen
Dismount.
jordan holmes
That is the ability to say that without laughing at how cruel you are to other human beings.
dan friesen
Why won't your family go to the hospital?
jordan holmes
Maybe it has something to do with all the shouting I do about how doctors take money to murder people.
dan friesen
And they have kill floors.
unidentified
Maybe!
dan friesen
Hey, what happened to that?
jordan holmes
Maybe they don't want to go to the...
Oh, no, we don't worry about the kill floors.
dan friesen
What happened to the kill floors?
jordan holmes
That was way back when.
dan friesen
That was like a week ago!
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was pre-vacation stuff.
unidentified
They had proof of murder floors.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that wasn't a big enough story for people.
People were like, oh, murder floors in all of these hospitals?
No big deal.
dan friesen
I forgot about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
We live a very strange life.
We live such a strange life.
dan friesen
I mean, we're out of diesel.
There are murder floors in hotels.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, I forgot we were out of diesel.
We've been out of diesel for months now.
dan friesen
The food supply has completely just collapsed.
jordan holmes
All of our factories are on fire.
dan friesen
Yeah, all the food plants.
jordan holmes
All the food plants are on fire.
dan friesen
They're all blowing up.
jordan holmes
They're all blowing up.
dan friesen
Yep.
Trains are constantly derailing.
There have been frequent attacks on the power supply.
Chicago's been nuked eight times.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, we are a rubble beneath rubble beneath rubble.
dan friesen
Yeah, Hillary and Michelle Obama are both president.
jordan holmes
They will be, or have been, or already are.
dan friesen
And the United States has been turned into a caliphate.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
dan friesen
And everybody who's in Congress is now a duke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you know, keeping track seems like a real waste of time some days.
dan friesen
Yes, it does.
jordan holmes
Woo!
dan friesen
So now we're going to jump to the sixth.
Alex is in Crowder's studio.
You might detect a speediness to Alex today.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I'm not saying he's on stimulants, but it feels like he might be a little bit.
jordan holmes
It feels very stimulant-y.
dan friesen
There's a bit of pressure in his speech.
alex jones
Our understanding of how the world works, studying the globalists, studying their papers, their books, history, their real reports, because they talk about us like we're animals.
We can't read what they're saying and doing.
Like they're at the adult table, we're at the kid table.
Well, I've been at the adult table for 40-plus years studying this, okay, since I was 9 years old.
40 years I've been studying this since I was 9 years old and really woke up to this, because it's so incredible.
I wasn't reading comic books anymore, because they weren't real.
I was reading about the real stuff that's so exciting.
And as people get excited about the real universe, not about the baseball or football or knowing all these stupid statistics that don't matter, the average man's really smart.
He could have all these football statistics, all these basketball statistics, all these baseball statistics, all the hockey statistics, spent all their time knowing all about this crap that doesn't matter.
But I learned about the New World Order statistics.
I learned all about bio-warfare.
I learned all about the CIA.
I learned all about the Kennedy assassination.
I learned all about Julius Caesar.
I learned all about Sun Tzu.
I learned all about that because it's so important.
dan friesen
You didn't learn shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the only thing I think that's interesting at all about that clip is the nine age.
Because it was 12 before when he read None Dare Call It Conspiracy that woke him up.
But now three years prior to that, apparently, since that, he'd been studying the New World Order.
And then it becomes very strange that since nine, he's been studying the New World Order and really getting into this stuff, and then he fell to Satanism as a teen.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I want to say, I think he had a dream when he was like five, though.
dan friesen
I think it was earlier than that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was earlier than that.
dan friesen
Somewhere in that quite early age that told him all the future.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't think we need to worry too much about his dates, you know?
That's the dream talking.
We're all living in his dream future, naturally.
This is prophesied in his dream.
He knew this was all coming.
dan friesen
That's as realistic an explanation as anything at this point.
jordan holmes
I am struck by how statistics of any sport, generally speaking, are real.
And the things that he is complaining about, people knowing...
That are real.
He is then saying, ha ha, look at all the fake things that I know.
dan friesen
Do you know statistics about Caesar?
jordan holmes
Look at all the non-existent things that I know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, he knows a lot of things.
It's just they're not...
Real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think you can...
dan friesen
They're real things, but the things he knows aren't real.
jordan holmes
You can't make fun of somebody for...
This is my rule.
You can't make fun of somebody for knowing baseball statistics if you can also name five minor Star Wars characters.
There's just a certain level of you enjoy something a lot.
You like to know stuff about it.
That's great!
dan friesen
Babu Frick.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
See?
There you go!
You can't complain about tennis anymore.
That's the rule!
dan friesen
Bib Fortuna.
Salacious Crumb.
jordan holmes
Oh, love me.
dan friesen
Kit Fisto.
jordan holmes
Goddamn Kit Fisto.
Jack Tono Porkins, my friend!
dan friesen
Yeah, I only know Kit Fisto because of Chris Gethard.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But the other ones I remember from overhearing conversations about Star Wars.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, not from...
dan friesen
Bib Fortuna I remember from being a kid.
Because he was like one of Jabba's buddies, right?
Or something?
I can't remember.
Snakehead.
jordan holmes
Oh, was that his name?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Oh, was he the guy, he was the guy who meets Luke at the door?
dan friesen
You know less than I do.
jordan holmes
I know, Dan, my memory is such that I know a lot of stuff, but I can't tell you what I know at any given point in time.
I don't know.
It'll come back to me.
Sooner or later.
dan friesen
So, Alex, like I said, he's a little speedy.
A little speedy.
alex jones
We have to get ready for victory.
Now, I've been saying this for 20-plus years on air.
You know, the first five, six, I wasn't really dialed in.
I get more dialed in every day.
But I've been under 20 years.
But the last 20, I really have learned how things work, and I've explained, we're going to hit a point, because I bet on you.
You know, I love that song.
I was listening to it last night, driving up to Dallas from Austin to do the show, here at Stephen Crowder's Great Operation.
And I hadn't listened to Heart in a long time, so I was going through classic rock, and I listened to Heart coming straight on, straight on.
Straight on for you, I think, is the name of the song.
And maybe I can pull those lyrics up here during the break and maybe come into the next segment and play part of that song and actually read the lyrics.
Because, you know, it says, I'm going to bet on you again and again and again.
I couldn't help but bet on humans, because I'm a human, and I love my ancestors, and I'm proud of who I am, and I'm proud of you and our future.
I don't mean in a prideful way, but I believe in us.
And I know we've been through so much, and we're going to go through more, but we're going to do incredible things together.
And so I bet on you.
jordan holmes
I bet on myself.
I bet on the God that created us.
unidentified
And I'm just going to bet on you again and again and again.
And I'm coming straight on to love you and to stand with you and to be with you.
alex jones
And I want our enemies to know I'm coming straight on.
I'm coming straight on.
I'm coming straight on.
jordan holmes
Where are you coming from?
alex jones
Why does Young say he's leading a frontal attack on the New World Order?
Because I studied warfare.
I studied history.
And I decided the most effective thing is just to be completely truthful and go 110% against the enemy and probably get destroyed in the process.
And it's going to be in that spectacle of taking them on and slugging and battling them.
And I knew, I could metaphysically see it.
God basically gave me a vision of the attacks and how intense they would get and how every time they attacked me it would make me more powerful.
That's how the Hegelian dialectic works.
And then they would only get more pissed and more pissed and more pissed until they finally had to kill me or publicly tear me to pieces.
And you call it the Obi-Wan Kenobi moment.
And that's what we're entering right now.
And ladies and gentlemen...
This is what it's all about.
dan friesen
This is what it's all about.
jordan holmes
What makes you say that he's on stimulants?
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
The sudden changing from subject to a song that he heard that he really needs to tell you all about and then seamlessly going back into the same subject.
dan friesen
Without taking a breath?
jordan holmes
I have not heard anybody do that since my time at all of comedy parties.
dan friesen
See, there's a part of me that feels like this is Cokie.
But then there's another part of me that thinks like, well, maybe he's just like keenly aware of trying to poach.
Crowder's audience.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it being kind of like he's a bit nervous and over-performing.
He knows what his image is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's trying to play into it a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of some kind of like, I'm an intense preacher, blah, blah, blah.
I have so much to say.
I mean, I can see that.
jordan holmes
Here's what I can...
I'm not saying coke, because that's a controlled substance.
But there are plenty of ways that if you have ever been a long-haul trucker, that you can stay.
Talking yellow jackets?
And talk real fast.
dan friesen
The only reason that I bring that up even is like, I want to have other possible explanations because if I were lazy, my immediate conclusion would be this dude's on coke.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Or too much Adderall or something.
It would just be like, yes, this is exactly what you're saying.
I've been on the other end of this conversation before.
jordan holmes
I've been in this conversation so many times.
dan friesen
You can feel it almost.
jordan holmes
At the moment you know you're trapped, that's the scariest moment when you realize, I can't find a way to leave this.
This is just where I am now.
dan friesen
I'm no saint.
I've also been that guy.
Hey, that happens!
I have annoyed people like this.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
I have done this four weeks at a time.
I'm bipolar type 1. I live this life!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So Alex, I mean, you got a flavor of how we're going to be.
We know that he had a vision when he was a child.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But he also had a vision a number of years back while eating chicken fried steak.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
We have heard him talk about this before.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he tells this story again.
alex jones
I remember I was on the air for two years on Access TV and just started my local radio show.
It was exploding, getting top ratings.
I was like 23 years old.
I'm sitting there at a little restaurant at like 9 o 'clock at night.
It's empty.
I think I was drinking a beer or an iced tea and eating a chicken fried steak.
And I sat there for like an hour, and I had this whole download.
And it was like, there was like danger in the room.
It was like, I could tell it was like the spirit of the Lord was there.
And I could feel the fear of it.
It wasn't trying to scare me.
It was the awesomeness, like standing on the edge of a cliff or looking into infinity.
And it was just like, this is the future.
This is what's going to happen.
Are you ready for this?
Is this the choice you want?
Because, you know, you've been chosen to do this, and all of you have been chosen as well.
That's why you're here.
And I said, absolutely, I accept this commission.
And it was, okay, you're going to get hurt really bad, but you're going to do incredible things, and just trust in me, and you are going to be the guy.
This happened.
I told this story 20 years ago.
This happened like 27 years ago.
You're going to be the guy that causes the chain reaction to bring the next group of leaders for the big battle.
And long-time listeners have heard me tell this story a hundred times, okay?
You heard me tell this 20 years ago.
This, I was embarrassed of it.
The first five, six, it just sounds so awesome, you know, that literally I was like being given a whole download.
I was like, what?
For like an hour, just sitting in a restaurant, just going, what the?
And like, it was this big choice.
Just like the devil wants you to sign a contract.
Well, God wants you to sign a contract.
And I signed the contract, ladies and gentlemen.
I signed the contract.
dan friesen
He signed the contract.
jordan holmes
I mean, and listen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel like maybe I'm just too cynical.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But perhaps if there was someone called the father of lies who works entirely through contract-based arrangements and you were suddenly met by somebody calling themselves God, Who happened to have a contract with him.
Perhaps your first thought wouldn't be, oh my, this is the Lord Almighty who apparently needs contracts?
dan friesen
Yeah, God, according to even Alex, is super into free will and stuff.
They don't think it would involve getting locked down into a contract.
jordan holmes
I think maybe Alex got tricked by Satan.
dan friesen
I think this is maybe more of his delusions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
I just kind of had a thought where I was just like...
I have no comment on this.
This is just for presentation of this.
But the only thought that I really had isn't content-based at all.
It's more just like, if Alex is trying to appeal to Crowder's audience, I don't know if they're going to like this as much as Alex's audience does.
They kind of like fart jokes.
jordan holmes
Aren't they light?
dan friesen
There's a younger crowd, and Crowder fancies himself funny.
And does a lot of racist sketches and characters and poop humor and stuff.
Alex is screaming about how God appointed him by contract to be the leader of the next generation of anti-communist fuckwits.
That's not going to play.
jordan holmes
True, but think about this.
Because this is something that we do know is absolutely true.
There is a percentage of that...
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, so if he's, you know, if Alex has to know at a certain point, I'm not going to be able to steal everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I do know that there's a set of every right-wing audience that wants to be more extreme.
dan friesen
I think, to some degree, that's probably a better strategy than making yourself kind of...
Middle of the scene.
Just fit in or whatever.
It's better to radicalize and draw in 5% of the audience than be fine to 90%.
90% will like you when you show up on the show, but they're not going to follow you to whatever you do.
That 5% will, probably.
unidentified
And the 5% is who buys your shit.
jordan holmes
Once they're in the ecosystem.
dan friesen
Once they're old enough to have a credit card.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, that's that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, the motivated people are the ones who are going to click through to the next link.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, is there a conspiracy afoot with Alex and Steven Crowder?
No, they just like working together.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
I want to throw this out.
A lot of rumors swirling around about what's going on with me every few weeks after co-hosting Steven Crowder's show.
I've become really good friends with him over the years.
He's anti-censorship.
I like doing his show.
I like doing something different.
And we plan to work together in the future.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you?
alex jones
His show's exploding.
This is just us up here having fun because I enjoy it.
I said, anytime you want me, I'll be there.
And so it's mutually good for both the broadcasts to synergistically expand what we're doing and to fight tyranny.
And so this is what this is all about.
And so there's no...
I mean, we are getting married next week, but other than that, we're both gay.
It's a joke, folks.
We're actually space aliens.
No, I mean, it is what it is, and so just have a lot of fun.
dan friesen
See, that's actually more in line with what Crowder's audience probably would think is cool and fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, terrible jokes.
Terrible jokes that you have to immediately disavow because you're so terrified that anybody might misunderstand your joke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So that makes me think even more that something's up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
He just said that they're entering into something of a business partnership and they're moving forward.
That's literally what a conspiracy is.
dan friesen
It feels like he's, yeah, probably trying to hide some money.
So Alex goes to break and he comes back and this is so good.
So good.
unidentified
Now I'm struggling, now I'm coming through.
Straight on, straight on.
alex jones
Such a powerful song.
Let me go ahead and just read these words, and I'll get the number out, take your calls, cover a ton of vital news.
Quite some time, I've been sitting it out.
Didn't take no chances.
I was a prisoner of doubt.
jordan holmes
Oh, no riffing.
alex jones
I knocked down the Wailing Wall.
Ain't no sin.
Got the feel of fortune.
Deal me in.
Coming straight on for you.
I've made my mind.
Now I'm stronger.
Now I'm coming through.
Straight on.
Straight on for you.
Straight on for you.
Now I know I've got to play my hand.
What the winner don't know.
What is happening?
I mean...
Now I'm stronger.
Now I'm coming through.
Straight on.
Yeah, for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Straight on for you.
You've made my mind.
And now I'm stronger.
Now I'm coming through.
Straight on.
Straight on.
Straight on for you.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Straight on for you.
Straight on for you.
You made my mind.
Now I'm strong.
Now I'm coming through.
Straight on.
Straight on for you.
Straight on.
Straight on.
I'm straight on for you.
Straight on for you.
That's my message to the New World Order.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Powerful stuff.
Powerful stuff.
alex jones
Crank it up.
Crank it up!
jordan holmes
I think if you wanted to torture somebody...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just have them get that clip of straight on, straight on, straight on for you in their mind over and over and over again.
dan friesen
It becomes very confusing.
jordan holmes
It'll drive you insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You don't really have to, if you're reading the lyrics or something, you don't really have to keep repeating the chorus part.
It just repeats.
That's silly.
jordan holmes
That is very silly.
dan friesen
But I think Alex might have a future career in dramatic poetry reading, you know, if this all falls apart.
I have a little reading I'd like to do myself of something that I think is very powerful in my message to the New World Order.
If we still have time, we might still get by.
Every time I think about it, I want to cry.
With bombs and the devil and the kids keep coming.
No way to breathe easy.
No time to be young.
But I tell myself I was doing alright.
Nothing left to do at night but go crazy on you.
Crazy on you.
Let me go crazy on you.
unidentified
Yep, that's a little reading.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I probably could have got the next verse, too, but I decided, whatever.
If Hart were a current-day band, Alex would fucking hate them.
There's too many women in powerful positions, and he'd probably fall into some kind of QAnon culture war meme about alone being about trying to lure a child away from their parents.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
How do I get you alone?
jordan holmes
100% absolutely correct.
dan friesen
And let's not even start talking about the story of the song All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You, because that song is not about what you think it is.
It is not just about making love.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
You don't know?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think we've talked about this maybe at a bar in the past, but that song is about a woman who meets a man.
Like, randomly.
And it's like, you just gotta fuck me.
I just wanna...
I gotta get some sex.
jordan holmes
Let's just bang it out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's just do it.
dan friesen
No strings attached.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
So they fuck.
And then she leaves.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And it turns out that she just wanted to get pregnant because her husband couldn't get her pregnant.
And so the third verse of the song is she and her child end up going into a store and the guy is there and he sees his own eyes.
In the child.
Please, please understand.
I'm in love with another man.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But the only thing he couldn't give me is the only thing that you can.
Ah, man.
All I want to do is make a look.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Alex would not be thrilled with that song.
jordan holmes
That is a deep narrative for a three and a half minute song.
dan friesen
It doesn't come through fully in the lyrics.
I think you have to make some leaps, but if you watch the music video, it's very obvious.
jordan holmes
Ah, it makes way more sense in the music video.
Gotcha, gotcha.
This is a multimedia presentation.
dan friesen
It's spelled out pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Also, I listened to a bit of Hart because of Alex bringing this up, and there's some bangers in there.
Barracuda is fun.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
And then that, when the drums kick in and alone, holy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get out of town.
jordan holmes
No, they knew what they were doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
They had a good run.
dan friesen
Those Wilson sisters.
So, Alex has some inside dirt.
It's not dirt, but he has some inside scoop on Tucker and also Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Talking about God lately.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex knows why, but he's not going to tell you until he does.
alex jones
I've told you a third of the stuff I've seen.
unidentified
I was going to say, he can't not tell me anything right now.
alex jones
And as the veil gets lifted and as God removes his protection, you're going to see stuff that other people have been seeing for a long time.
And I know the inside baseball.
I cannot tell you stuff that I know.
But let me just tell you something.
There's a reason Tucker Carlson's talking about God.
There's a reason Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is talking about God.
I'm going to leave it at that.
jordan holmes
Are you?
alex jones
Man, I really want to tell you this, but I'm not allowed to.
jordan holmes
Go ahead and tell me.
Just tell me.
alex jones
I wish I could tell you.
jordan holmes
Come on!
alex jones
I wish I could tell you.
jordan holmes
Well, you've got to tell me now.
alex jones
But you'll learn soon enough.
jordan holmes
Nah, not soon enough.
alex jones
Hell's being opened up.
In Revelations, only about a third of the demons are on the earth right now.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
They're being let in right now.
Every second more coming in.
They're aliens, folks.
jordan holmes
How many people have been through there?
alex jones
They're jumping in like paratroopers right now.
And CERN definitely has opened up a gate.
And this is all real, folks.
Did he speak any rituals at CERN when they activated it?
Thank God it's blown up each time.
They admit to create a black hole to destroy the Earth.
I know this all sounds wacky, folks.
This is really going on.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, yeah, that's apparently why Tucker and RFK, because the third of the demons have jumped through the CERN portal.
jordan holmes
How many can get through at a time?
Is there a situation where, like, three of them try and go through at the same time and they all get kind of three stooges next to each other?
unidentified
Yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
And they're like, oh, no!
dan friesen
Yes.
Demons, the little-known fact.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Big on physical comedy.
jordan holmes
Big on physical comedy.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That actually makes a lot of sense.
dan friesen
One did a pratfall through the portal.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
It did a nice little...
dan friesen
Then a little Willy Wonka.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
Oh, God.
So that certain demonic ritual thing was a hoax prank thing, and Alex is still reporting on it as if it was real.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Part of opening up a portal to hell where demons flow through.
It's really hard to tell if Alex is sincerely this stupid that he believes this level of idiotic nonsense just because he skimmed a headline about it on some shithead's blog, or if this is a manifestation about how desperate he is to look interesting to...
Potentially Steven Crowder's audience.
In the real world, he has nothing to offer anyone, really, but...
In the fantasy make-em-up world, he has access to all these mystical truths, and maybe that can make him seem cooler than he is.
Also, the real reason that Tucker and RFK Jr. are talking about God is because they're political figures trying to appeal to a largely right-wing audience, and appeals to religion are a powerful rhetorical tool conservatives have used to mask the reality of their political agenda for years.
If I were Alex, I'd probably try to pass it off as Tucker being scared about the CERN Demon Portal 2, because the alternative is recognizing the crass way...
That he and all his political allies exploit religion for power and profit.
And that's just not viable.
jordan holmes
That is just not viable.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
No, that would be revealing that perhaps you signed a contract with the devil and not God himself.
dan friesen
But let's talk about how you feel about the surprise that the CERN portal with a third of the demons is the reason that Tucker's talking about God.
jordan holmes
I want to know something.
Isn't America building a larger collider?
I want to say that there are plans.
I want to say it's in the process.
dan friesen
I would believe that.
jordan holmes
I think he should be more angry about that because then the black hole's in his backyard.
Nah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, a black hole all the way over in Europe, that's not going to bother me too much.
dan friesen
A lot of ding-dongs have done a lot of groundwork into making CERN a buzzword that you can use.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So you can't have, like, another...
You can't build from scratch.
Yeah, that's fair.
A lot of great patriots came before him to allow him to do this stupid shit.
jordan holmes
CERN's been up and running for a long time.
We found the Higgs boson a long time ago.
We didn't create a black hole.
Everything's fine.
dan friesen
That's how long it takes these demons to get through the portal.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
It's not like Elon Musk's underground tunnels.
It's not quick and efficient like those.
The demon portal is long.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so, yeah.
It's been up and running for a long time.
You bet it has.
And every day that it's open, more demons.
This is very similar to Project Camelot bullshit.
jordan holmes
How much distance do you have to cover from one dimension to the other?
Right?
Like, so...
dan friesen
I have to think, like, it's instantaneous, right?
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I'm imagining this as an actual, like, tunnel.
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Just because it's more fun for me.
jordan holmes
Well, now I'm thinking, okay, so we've got the portal to hell open.
All right.
But in my imagination, or in my understanding of hell...
dan friesen
Is it possible that this is buzz marketing for Diablo 4?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that could be.
dan friesen
A third of the demons are on earth.
jordan holmes
Hell has finally opened up.
A third of the demons are out.
Something about Lilith?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
This could be, we might be missing the whole thing.
Alex might be taking a check from Blizzard.
jordan holmes
Well, if there was anything more awful Blizzard could do, it would be pay Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, look, there's a lot going on that we don't see.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Like the demons coming in through the portal.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's so far away, isn't it?
dan friesen
Right.
Also, I met a guy who worked at CERN.
unidentified
Yeah?
dan friesen
I think I've talked about this before, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He didn't mention the demons.
jordan holmes
No.
You'd think that if demons, that would be number one, right?
dan friesen
But this also was like 10 years ago, so maybe the demons hadn't started coming through.
jordan holmes
Maybe they hadn't gotten through.
Yeah, that was, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's a lot you don't see.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Unless you do acid.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
There's different analogies.
There's different energy.
There's so much energy, it's hard to quantify.
We added all the different types of discovering all the time, but let's just say we see 1% of what's going on.
It's way less than that, but you see 1%.
Your eyeballs are only set to pick up a very small amount of stuff that's going on.
I mean, here's an example.
jordan holmes
Almost like you evolved.
dan friesen
Who set my eyeballs?
alex jones
Groups of 20, 30 at the same time and seeing the same beings together and writing in notebooks without talking what they've seen and what's going on.
And the CIA's been studying it for 50 years.
When people take very strong doses of LSD...
unidentified
Uh, in double-blind studies in the secret government studies, I feel like he's dead.
alex jones
You can see the echolocation of bats because it's lifting the veil.
So it looks like red laser beams shooting out of the bats.
jordan holmes
Do you mean sound?
unidentified
More than six years ago, it's been duplicated over a thousand times.
alex jones
So, again.
You can see echolocation, but you've got a filter in your brain because you'd be seeing too much.
dan friesen
Yeah, see, that's the problem.
Alex is talking about a diagram he's seen in a book of bats giving off red beams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It is just sound.
jordan holmes
It's sound.
They go, ah!
And then the sound comes back to them and then they know where stuff is.
dan friesen
Yeah, and echolocation's a really interesting thing because you have whales and bats that have evolved to use it as a visual medium.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like being able to bounce the sound off, they can tell where things are.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And people who are born blind are often able to learn and develop some amount of echolocation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was the guy who could ride a bike.
That was his thing that got him on local news.
dan friesen
There are really fascinating ways that it can be used, but what you are using is sound.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bats, the sound they make, some of it might not be audible to our ears, but it is not magic.
It is still sound.
jordan holmes
And to reiterate, sound is just air particles moving real fast.
dan friesen
Right, but here's where things get really interesting.
Alex is wrong and stupid, but if you take what he's saying and apply some real world to it, he's saying that people can see sound, in theory, when they take LSD.
And some amount of synesthesia-type experiences are reported by people who take LSD.
When your senses overlap slightly, you can taste a color or something like that.
That is an experience that some people on doses of LSD can experience.
And so, if he's saying that, which he's not, there's that kernel of truth to it.
You are not piercing the veil and seeing demons or some magical area of...
of things that are not available to you.
There's a bizarre reaction that's happening within your brain because you took a poison.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you took a chemical and then the parts of your brain that separate senses go, I don't know which one I'm supposed to be right now!
And then you feel weird.
dan friesen
And it's wild.
jordan holmes
That's great.
And that's why we do drugs.
dan friesen
And some studies have been done that I was skimming over and one of the things that is bizarre about this phenomenon with the synesthesia-like experience Right.
consistent.
unidentified
So like, obviously it doesn't happen for everybody and it doesn't happen consistently for people.
dan friesen
But even beyond that, the identical stimuli don't create identical results in people.
And so that is like a really weird, it's so individual.
And that's kind of to be expected Basically, you.
It's an experience that your senses are having, and of course it would be colored by your expectations and some signals that are going, pinging around.
And then there are some anecdotal stories about people having shared hallucinations, and I don't know.
It's really hard to confirm that kind of stuff.
People have said they've had dreams where they were in each other's dreams and stuff.
Maybe.
unidentified
Cool!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Cool!
Have fun with that!
I'm not going to build a worldview around it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're going to need to, first of all, find a way to ever make this confirmable.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And I don't know what that looks like.
jordan holmes
We create a person who can jump into everybody's dreams.
dan friesen
Writing down things in a notebook or whatever is not...
jordan holmes
Not going to do it.
dan friesen
It's not fully good enough.
And then second, since Alex is being completely unspecific about whatever these mystery secret studies that some source gave him, which is obviously...
Probably meant to be Stubblebine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But since they're secret studies that he has not produced and no one has, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.
So I can only bring reality into this a little.
I think the synesthesia part of what he's maybe talking about is kind of interesting.
jordan holmes
No, it's very interesting.
dan friesen
But also his inability to understand what echolocation is is funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that one's very clear.
That one's very clear that he is not talking about synesthesia.
He is like, see, bats can see through the lasers in their sounds!
dan friesen
But I would bet that the misunderstanding and the lie that he's created out of this comes from...
jordan holmes
That kernel of...
dan friesen
The diagram of the bat.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And some headline about, like, synesthesia-type experiences that people have on LSD.
And he's just combined them into a story that he's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
He's trying to tell to make himself seem more interesting to this maybe younger audience that likes drugs.
jordan holmes
It is fun to, like...
Speculate on the genesis of certain ideas that you know are mash-ups.
Like, I know those are mash-em-ups, sir.
I'm just trying to figure out which specific mash-em-ups you have chosen this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because those are not real.
dan friesen
So Alex has a lot of callers, and one of the things that they're focusing on with the calls is...
Let's talk leadership, baby.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Who are we into?
Trump?
jordan holmes
No one.
dan friesen
DeSantis?
RFK Jr.?
jordan holmes
No one.
dan friesen
Who are we into?
jordan holmes
No one is into anyone.
dan friesen
Elon Musk, how's he looking these days?
Not good.
One of the things that I will say is it does feel like the love affair with Trump is pretty much over with Alex's audience.
There are some pretty harsh words that people have for Trump.
jordan holmes
About time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, seems like no love for DeSantis.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Seems like he sucks too.
jordan holmes
He might be...
I think somebody might actually bring him up on kidnapping charges because he's kidnapping people.
dan friesen
It'd be interesting.
jordan holmes
I think that he's kidnapping people.
dan friesen
It would be pretty weird if the two front-runner Republican candidates...
jordan holmes
Were both in prison!
They were both in prison!
And no one would even think that was weird on the right.
They'd be like, well, they just put our people in prison.
Not that we attract people who commit crimes all the time.
dan friesen
No, it's probably a coincidence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's totally a coincidence.
dan friesen
So yeah, I guess maybe they'll all change their party affiliation to Democrats so they can vote in primaries for RFK.
jordan holmes
I swear to you, I was making a joke, but I do remember when we did the Will Sommer interview.
And I was like, Nikki Haley's gonna do it.
The more absurd things get, the more I'm like, dude, if she sneaks in there, what a win!
dan friesen
I mean, if both Trump and DeSantis are in prison.
Then we have a power vacuum that gets filled by who?
jordan holmes
Not gonna be Pence!
He's the guy who was about to be hanged last year!
dan friesen
Jeb Bush comes back.
jordan holmes
Nope!
dan friesen
You wish you clapped.
jordan holmes
Once you said please clap, it was all over.
dan friesen
He comes back, but as a dark Jeb Bush.
jordan holmes
It is legitimately, at the end of the day, the only person that's not insane, that nobody really hates or wants to hang, is Nikki Haley!
dan friesen
Nah, let's be...
I think...
Halsey also has a potential path there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
She has a contingent of people who are interested in her.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, there could be some other weirdos that come out of the woodwork.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a year away.
I strongly believe that we shouldn't care until then.
dan friesen
But they care on the calls.
jordan holmes
They do.
dan friesen
Trump, no good.
Santa's no good.
Wishy-washy feelings about RFK, but mostly positive.
jordan holmes
Mostly positive.
dan friesen
The problem with him is that he's not anti-abortion.
Right.
And he supports gun rights in the Second Amendment, but not enough.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's kind of where he's at.
jordan holmes
It's interesting to me because I don't think they know either.
I think the audience is something of a Plinko board in the sense of, like, there's a lot of stuff that gets dropped in there.
You know, like, oh, what's the thing that's going to make them hate somebody?
And man, vaccines got to the bottom of the Blinko board, you know?
Like, they're so anti-vax.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think it's been there a long time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it's been at the bottom of that board for quite a while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there's some, you know, some theories about why that is the case.
But, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure why.
One thing is, it's a pretty powerful, scary thing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because most people who come to it probably were vaccinated as kids.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so they're like, this was done to me against my will, and it allows you to reclaim some kind of a narrative over your life.
Negative things that have happened, challenges that you've had, maybe it's because you were vaccinated or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then also, it's super scary raising a child.
You know, in the world, there's a lot of threats, there's a lot of things.
That you have to worry about protecting your kid from.
And taking some power with, like, the choice of not vaccinating is something that I think maybe gives the appearance of control in a world that's, like, chaotic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, we went through a two-year-long pandemic, and I want to say, despite their anti-vaxxery...
Most people's goal, in fact, I would argue almost everybody's goal, is to not do that again.
You know, not do another two years thing.
The problem is they believe that the anti-vax is what keeps that from happening.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's why everybody's insane.
dan friesen
It is a problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it'll be more of a problem if RFK Jr. is the Democratic candidate.
jordan holmes
It'll be a huge problem for us all.
dan friesen
Yes.
But Alex believes that won't happen because he's probably going to get killed.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And they're all playing politics, but...
To irrevocably, as Democrat Party royalty, as close as you get to it, it's the Kennedys.
The most popular Democratic president ever, hands down.
To have the scion of that family literally come out against the New World Order on every front, it's devastating.
I mean, there's no way he ever walks this back, is the point.
So I think he's had a transformation.
I think he's having a transformation.
A lot of other people are having transformations.
Doesn't mean I trust him.
Because when somebody's got a tail on them, you know, a past that is not completely trustworthy, we don't ever turn our back on him.
But I've got to say, it's very exciting what he's doing, and I have a good feeling about Robert Kennedy Jr.
And I go with my gut.
At the end of the day, I have a good feeling about him.
unidentified
Well, I'm pleased that he's opening so many eyes to the things.
You know, I'm concerned about our stupid elected officials.
They're not doing anything about the World Economic Forum or WHO.
alex jones
No, I agree.
But I think we're going to know Robert Kennedy Jr. is real when they kill him.
And by the way, we've talked to sources very close to him.
Gerald Solundi told a story yesterday about talking to his campaign manager he's longtime friends with, Dennis Kucinich.
And he said, yeah, he'll probably come up here and speak at Kingston, New York, but he wants to be indoors.
We're getting a lot of, you know, threats.
dan friesen
Is he the scion of the Kennedy family at this point?
I don't know if he is.
I thought he was kind of...
Alex was selling him as an outsider of the Kennedy family.
That's what gave him the credibility.
Now he's the...
jordan holmes
Now he's the Prince Harry of the Kennedy family.
He's no longer accepted into the fold except at parties.
dan friesen
We do know...
You're righter than you think.
Prince Harry married Meghan Markle from Suits.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
RFK Jr. married Cheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
jordan holmes
I don't even know how to deal with life.
alex jones
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I don't even know how to deal with life.
dan friesen
Blowing minds.
We're on a shared ayahuasca trip.
jordan holmes
Here's what I think, okay?
I don't think you need to kill any more Kennedys.
And there's a simple reason why.
I don't think it works.
You've already got two down and it didn't do you that much good.
dan friesen
I mean, I think we could take a step back and just say it's wrong first, but also it doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
No, I mean, I feel like that should go unset.
dan friesen
If you clear the hurdle of morality, it still doesn't work.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It still doesn't work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Bad strategy.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think anyone's too worried about him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I would guess based on poll numbers, no one would...
jordan holmes
I just don't know anymore.
I just don't.
dan friesen
Me neither.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
So Alex had a revelation.
alex jones
I'm about to go to your phone calls here in just a moment.
But I want to say something at the start of the next segment about Trump and supposed 3D chess.
Let me write a note to do that because I forget sometimes where I'm going to cover.
Trump 3D.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, not all chess.
alex jones
Because this is really important and I didn't really have an epiphany, but I kind of did.
I've kind of said this before, but I want to add something to it.
So that's coming up.
Very important.
dan friesen
So important.
I got very excited about this, but it's underwhelming.
jordan holmes
He's had another epiphany.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also something that Coke people don't do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Have epiphanies.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Not a thing.
I just had this crazy idea.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Okay, buddy.
dan friesen
And it's very important.
jordan holmes
I've been thinking about it for a long time.
It's a breakthrough.
Now, I just had it, but I've been thinking about it for a long time, and it's kind of the culmination of a lot of different thoughts that I've had.
So maybe it's not the first idea that I've had, but I mean, this is a good one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, wasn't it 5D chess?
jordan holmes
I want to say that, yeah.
dan friesen
3D chess.
You're right.
It's just chess chess.
jordan holmes
It's just chess chess.
dan friesen
So here's where we get into this.
alex jones
But I said before I go to your calls that I was going to talk about something really important.
Now, Trump said in an interview when he was running for president in 2016, now six and a half years ago, that the deepest thing in his life, the deepest thing he ever learned, was how to be shallow.
Now, that is such a Zen master statement.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
Because you have all these genetics, all these instincts, your spirit, you have all your ancestors, you have all this composite information, you have all your learned knowledge in this bodysuit.
And your first approximation, all the studies, all the research, women's intuition, all of it, is almost always the right way to go.
So, but Trump put it in a perfect idiot savant way.
The deepest thing I ever learned was how to be shallow.
But he called going with his first instinct, and he went on to elaborate, you know, the first thing I think is almost always right.
No, it's always right.
You just might interpret what your spirit hooked into your instinct.
Instinct's third dimension.
Spirit's above that.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
You have a manifestation in each dimension.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
You can be drugged down into the lower.
That's just a human cosmology for it, but the mathematics has shown it's accurate.
I mean, sideways.
unidentified
The mathematics of being drugged down another dimension.
dan friesen
Yeah, mathematics.
jordan holmes
The mathematics of being drugged down another dimension.
dan friesen
Yeah, the studies, the research, women's intuition, it all...
jordan holmes
What mathematics?
Is that non-Euclidean geometry, or...?
dan friesen
If Alex were forced to answer it, he'd just say something about Max Planck and then move on or something.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have in my notes here, no comment.
unidentified
I just don't even know what to do with this.
dan friesen
I also don't know if...
I don't know what Trump quote he's talking about.
I know I've heard him say that a lot to the point where I've just accepted that Trump said it, but I don't know where that's from.
I tried to look for the deepest thing I ever learned was to be shallow, Trump and whatever, and I don't know where that's from.
jordan holmes
Oh.
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
I assume it's something.
jordan holmes
It sounds like something he would have said.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It sounds like one of those things that dumb people say that sounds smart.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they're like, ah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The smartest thing I've ever learned is dumb.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I've learned to do the opposite of the two things and then make it sound like they're the different thing, and that's the same thing, and that's Zen to me.
dan friesen
And now Alex has interpreted this as following your instincts is always right.
unidentified
Right!
dan friesen
And you're...
Soul is on another level, and you have manifestations on each of these levels.
jordan holmes
It is easy to see...
dan friesen
And math can drag you down.
jordan holmes
It is easy to see why communication is so difficult.
Whenever that's what you get out of...
A lunatic, billionaire, conman, psychopath saying something stupid is like, yeah, trust your instincts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, man!
dan friesen
The spirit world mathematics have told me this.
Hey, have you ever seen Echo Location?
jordan holmes
All right!
I don't know how to speak to you if that's what you're going to take away from the things that I say.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
It is tough.
jordan holmes
What do I say to you that you won't turn into like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta eat more on Fridays.
Like, what does that mean?
dan friesen
Well...
Follow your instincts.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good call.
dan friesen
Yeah, do the math.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
So the caller said, I like Trump.
He's totally for real, even though he's a buffoon sometimes, and basically a bull in a china shop.
He's not a criminal.
He actually cares about the country.
Totally true.
And you think he's pigheaded with us on the shots?
He's pigheaded with them on everything else they want.
So he was actually the president.
He tried to be.
That's why they got so upset, was they were ruling through consensus and boards and globalist bodies.
So, that's really where I'm at with Trump, is that they claim he's playing 3D, 4D chess.
No, he's not.
dan friesen
You claim that.
alex jones
Not in the way you think of he's consciously looking at thousands of points of integrated information and then coming up with some sophisticated move 10 points ahead.
jordan holmes
You said that.
alex jones
That's what the subconscious and unconscious mind hooked into the spirit is, is the 10D chess.
God's up there at 12D.
Ah.
Yeah, that's going on, but you don't control it.
Your conscious brand just needs to go like you're an F-16 pilot and it says missile's locked.
You're not firing out radar scans and missile lock systems in the avionics.
You just know when it goes missile lock, aim nine, sidewinder missile.
unidentified
You know that that's what you've just done.
alex jones
But you're not the whole jet, the avionics, everything that went to build that, to fuel it, to train it, to launch it.
unidentified
You just know when it goes lock, lock, lock, lock that you're on.
alex jones
And so that's what that is, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
I don't know what that is.
jordan holmes
Which dimension?
dan friesen
I get a sense of what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
I know the general area of what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which I still think is, trust your instincts.
dan friesen
I do too.
I think it's somewhere close to that thing you hear from creative types.
It's like, when you're in the flow.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It feels like something is coming through you and you're writing.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's kind of a little generous, but I do know what you're saying.
dan friesen
That's like being in that moment of just automatic...
Sure.
It's intuitive and, you know, just like...
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Something within you is...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's the area I'm hearing.
jordan holmes
You are watching and participating in yourself doing something that you're not aware that you can do, in a sense.
dan friesen
Sort of, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, we both can't agree because it's a ballpark.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just want to know...
unidentified
God's 12. I just want to know, like...
jordan holmes
Which dimension between 5 and 12 is the most comfortable?
dan friesen
Well, it's got to be 8. It's a pillow dimension.
Cozy as hell.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
That's the my pillow dimension.
You don't want to be in that one.
dan friesen
Actually, but I don't know if those are good pillows.
jordan holmes
But he's there.
dan friesen
Oh, it's bad.
jordan holmes
He hands out the pillows personally to everybody who goes to the eighth dimension.
They have to go up to him and he says hi.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Even the best pillows can't make up for that.
jordan holmes
Even the best pillows can't make up for Mike Liddell.
No.
I mean, you don't want to be at 12D because you don't know what God's up to.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And you don't want to be privated to that nonsense.
dan friesen
And quite frankly, I imagine that being on par with God would be heavy.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
So many responsibilities.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And on the 10th dimension, everybody's fucking playing chess all the time.
dan friesen
Well, that seems to be where Trump is or something.
unidentified
Well, then we can't go there.
dan friesen
No.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to go with seven.
I feel like seven is the right place to go.
dan friesen
Ooh, bad choice.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Fondue dimension.
unidentified
Do I become fondue, or do I have to only eat fondue?
dan friesen
You only eat fondue.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Two kinds?
Cheese and chocolate, or just the cheese?
dan friesen
Of course.
But also all kinds of other things.
jordan holmes
Oh, but I can't eat those.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't?
dan friesen
Sour cream fondue.
jordan holmes
But only fondue.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's a sour cream fountain.
jordan holmes
All right, okay.
dan friesen
Dip things in.
jordan holmes
What are my dipping options?
dan friesen
That, I mean, I feel like you have free will.
jordan holmes
So I can eat anything I want as long as I fondue it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That doesn't sound like a bad dimension.
I'm going to stick with my choice.
I'm going to stick with seven.
I'll fondue.
dan friesen
It's not that bad.
jordan holmes
I'll fondue for the rest of eternity.
dan friesen
But, you know, it's constant fonduing.
You can't clean the pots and stuff.
jordan holmes
Now you're getting into dangerous territory.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not magic.
jordan holmes
Now everybody has a lot of digestive issues in the seventh dimension.
dan friesen
Yep.
Look, I'm not good at improv.
jordan holmes
What is this?
Is this an old what-if comedy bang-bang options?
dan friesen
So, look, they hated Trump because he could flow.
Because he was in that higher dimension thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so, that's why they hate Trump.
Because, yeah, he knew what he felt like.
And what he thought was best, and most of the time it totally screwed him up, because they had planned responses that someone in the system would respond to, which was already pre-programmed at Actuary, so they knew how to react to someone operating from the program matrix.
But because Trump's operating off of his spirit, his instincts, even though he's got a flawed template he's operating off of, it's still so much more advanced in their operation that they go, this guy's just unstoppable.
That's why in all their lawsuits against me, they're like, give us the secret data, the intelligence agency programming you, let us know who's funding you, let us know who comes up with all this, we know you've got somebody telling you what to do.
They cannot understand that like Luke Skywalker, I've turned off the targeting computer, and I just blew up the test star.
Because what God gave me is way more powerful than this technological junk that you sit here and worship all day, that just simply...
Template's what we already are.
The AI doesn't do anything.
It steals.
It plagiarizes.
And we go, oh, look, it's so incredible, because it's showing us ourselves back.
We are incredible.
So that is my message to everybody to understand that Trump is not intellectual.
He has his ideas.
He has his gut.
He has his beliefs about what's right and what's fair in business.
I noticed the Chinese would meet with him whenever he wanted.
He's sailing to me.
Yes, sir.
We'll meet with you right now.
GGP, I'll fly to you.
Because they recognize, okay, this guy's in charge.
GGP is a dictator and evil.
He respects himself, though.
He climbed up from nothing, betrayed his own family to a death camp to be in charge.
Trusted member of the party.
jordan holmes
Seems like a bad job.
alex jones
He respects his power.
He's in charge.
That's why he totally shut down big tech in China.
Kicked Trump out and stole the election.
He said at a big event two years ago to the Communist Chinese, we've got to take over big tech.
They're out of control.
We're done.
They want to do this to us.
They're not doing to us what they need to do to Trump.
But they actually respected they were talking to the boss.
They won't meet with Biden or his representatives now.
They won't meet with the Secretary of Defense because they know.
They're like, hey, we want to meet with Larry Fink.
We want to meet with Elon Musk.
We want to meet with Bill Gates.
We want to meet with Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger.
We don't want to meet with Biden.
dan friesen
This is all really stupid, and it kind of only exists as a fun game for Alex to find some way to, like, maybe continue supporting Trump or at least feel good about himself while his audience turns on.
So he doesn't go down with Trump, you know, basically.
But, you know, he's an idiot.
Trump's an idiot.
But it's just because he's so smart that he doesn't think about things.
Can you grasp that with your tiny brain?
Maybe you should think about it less.
jordan holmes
Well, the smartest thing that he ever learned was how to be stupid.
dan friesen
Right.
Think about it less and it'll make sense.
jordan holmes
And it'll become the most thing.
dan friesen
Also, she met with Biden on November 14th, 2022 in Bali.
I don't know what Alex is talking about.
This is all just made up.
jordan holmes
And even in his cosmology, though, that shouldn't be a sign of...
Good, right?
dan friesen
No, because it belies Alex's real worldview all being about an obsession with power.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Strongmen dictators are kind of like, you know, hey, yeah, they're brutal and they're awful.
It's the same thing with Stalin and Hitler.
We're studs.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
You can't get around that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if your enemy, who ostensibly does not have your best interests in mind, as Alex has described she, Yeah.
Is interested in talking to people, that means that he is interested for his benefit and not yours.
dan friesen
You'd think so.
jordan holmes
So if he's not interested in talking to somebody...
See, this is one of those situations where in an antagonistic relationship...
Is, in essence, proof of a positive person.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Well, you'd think that, except for if you want to try and recontextualize it as she was only interested in talking with Trump because he was so confident of Trump's power that he needed to placate him in some way in order to pursue his own interests.
Right.
That's probably the way Alex would get around it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I suppose.
dan friesen
A little silly.
So anyway, I didn't learn anything about what Alex's ideas about chess are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
What his big revelation was.
jordan holmes
I did think he had an interesting thing that he almost got right, which is that Trump, one of his most successful things was chaos.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
People not knowing what it was that he was about to do next.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
That is one of the most successful strategies that he applied.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You know?
And it works.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one caller brings up, I don't think I have a clip of it, but he brings up that there's a total difference between candidate Trump and the president.
He didn't do any of the shit that he said he was going to do.
He's just a good marketer and all this stuff.
And I was just sitting there listening to that and I'm like, ah, it's how Alex describes every candidate.
There is the disillusionment that comes with...
You know, the first time you care about a presidential campaign.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
You realize that the promises that are made in a campaign aren't necessarily possible even to be followed up on.
And it's fun to see Infowars and Alex having this political realization that most people have when they're...
17. Yeah.
It's kind of nice to see them struggling with that disillusionment of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was a very short period of time, you know?
We had a great few months where Obama was elected and we're all like, and then he appointed his cabinet and you're like, oh, fuck.
It's all over.
dan friesen
Shit!
Yeah, because I think our generation, or at least you and I, our age probably became politically aware during Bush's presidency.
Or actually, I think maybe even Bill Clinton, but he was already in office.
And so you don't really have idealistic ideas necessarily about Bush coming in or Bush getting re-elected.
So the first opportunity to be really kind of disappointed with the concrete...
Facts of how the government goes, even when you have the person in that you wanted.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, 2008.
jordan holmes
You get it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We lived through it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Welcome to the party.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Trump idiots.
jordan holmes
The whole system.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes more calls, and this guy worried me.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Right now, let's go back to your phone calls.
Daryl in Missouri, thanks for calling.
Thanks for holding her on the air.
unidentified
So much for taking the call on...
I wanted to answer your questions on Kennedy, Elon.
Yesterday, Kennedy was really good on guns, and he said people feel that the Constitution are under attack, and that's exactly how I feel, and people that love America and the American Dream and everything.
I was targeted by the ADL.
I wrote a religious exemption on July 14, 2022.
It's still on my Facebook, and it was a religious exemption by me and my wife, and our beliefs are...
Amish and Mennonite neighbors live as separatists and have their beliefs, and I heard you say you're allowed to be an anti-Semite the other day, and if you don't like it, well, and I'm not an anti-Semite.
I'm accused of that because I believe the vaccination thing, and he's on a first-name basis with Tulsi.
I predict that'll be his running mate.
You know, he's got to come out and say abortion's not health care.
I think DeSantis is susceptible to the deep state, his connections, Eric Greitens, these young leaders.
You want to talk about leaders?
dan friesen
So this guy later identifies himself as Daryl McClanahan.
So I'm fine saying his name.
Yeah.
He's a guy who had a failed run for the Senate in 2022.
He's not called an anti-Semite because he's opposed to vaccines.
It's because he attends a Christian identity church.
He's been a card-carrying member of the League of the South since as recently as 2019, and he was an attendee of the Unite the Right rally.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
Beyond that, the ADL reported on his VK social media account that's just littered with racist and Nazi imagery.
One of the images they found he posted was covered in swastikas and was promoting the Christian National Socialist Party.
Another one was a Totenkampff with a message underneath saying, quote, the only good homosexual is a dead homosexual.
They also found an image of him doing a Heil Hitler salute standing next to a guy in a full Klan uniform in front of a burning cross.
jordan holmes
Well, he's not an anti-Semite, but they call him one.
dan friesen
They call him one.
alex jones
Well, just because he wants to not get vaccinated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just because you, uh, when you say Heil Hitler in front of a burning cross, I don't know what he said.
dan friesen
It's a picture.
He's doing the salute.
jordan holmes
Apologies.
dan friesen
Daryl is running an independent write-in campaign, and I would like for you to guess how many votes he got.
jordan holmes
17. One.
Couldn't even get the family on board.
Couldn't even get the family on board.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Ironically, there was another write-in candidate, and they got zero.
And that makes me think that maybe they'd given up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or they were classy as hell and voted for someone else.
jordan holmes
Well, they're not going to vote for themselves.
Isn't that against the rules?
dan friesen
It's tacky.
Voting's private.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
But yes, this guy definitely voted for himself.
dan friesen
Which is pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So it appears this flagrant bigot is running for governor of Missouri in 2024, and I predict he'll get the same amount of votes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
Well, I mean, there's...
You know, I would almost say there's only one way to go, but since there was a writing candidate who got zero, you could still lose by more.
What if he breaks his leg on the way to go vote and he can't vote?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He gets zero votes.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, brutal.
dan friesen
Or if he has a terrible moment where he realizes that another candidate better encapsulates his values.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I just hope this guy wins.
dan friesen
So, Alex is listening to this guy, and he's like, well, they called me an anti-Semite, and he's like, I might want to ask a follow-up question on this one.
And so he does, and Alex gets a little worried.
alex jones
Tell us the article.
What did the ADL say about you?
unidentified
They have a picture of me at a cross-lighting.
What?
A cross-lighting!
I was advocating for Jacob Goodwin.
He was a Charlottesville defendant who was overcharged, certainly He deserved a year in jail or something.
I have my Christian belief.
alex jones
So are you in?
I mean, listen, you have a right to be, but are you in the KKK?
unidentified
No, I am not.
And they are portraying me as that I am, and I was never a member.
They don't like me.
They don't like me because I've always spoke against my...
alex jones
Oh, let me be clear.
I mean, in a KKK cross-burning, half the people there are feds or ADL or Southern Property Law Center.
But there was a real photo of you in a KKK cross burning?
unidentified
My name while you're talking to me, Darrell McClanahan, A-D-L-D-A-R.
I know, I know.
alex jones
I'm in a remote studio.
I'm just asking you about it.
Look.
If a journalist goes and covers one of those things, they're a bad person.
It doesn't matter.
The point is, the left is just as bad as the KKK with all the racist garbage and burning things down, all this crap.
jordan holmes
Nice save.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex realizes he's talking to someone who is...
I mean, Alex doesn't even know the Hitler salute that was going on next to the fully-robed Klan member in front of the cross-lighting event.
jordan holmes
The cross-lighting.
dan friesen
And he's even getting a little bit...
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
You can tell.
Like, he's like, are you actually in the Klan, man?
No.
jordan holmes
If Alex is willing to call it a cross-burning and you're not, you're in the Klan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're in the Klan.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Alex, I think he realizes, like, all right.
This guy probably is fucked up and probably a bigot.
So what I'm gonna have to do is say, like, everyone there is a fed.
You know, like, he has to delegitimize the very idea of cross-burnings.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know?
They're all just, it's all ideal people there.
jordan holmes
But, like, this guy does not understand that by calling it a cross-lighting, he is revealing himself to almost exclusively have clan friends, right?
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
If you use the terminology that they use because in response to the fact that it sounds real bad if you call it cross-burning.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's specifically what they use.
I don't know all of their lingo.
But not calling it a cross-burning is a choice.
jordan holmes
It's a choice.
dan friesen
It tells me about you.
jordan holmes
And it's not a hard choice to make.
You just call it a cross-burning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex delegitimizes the idea of the Klan as a whole again.
alex jones
I'm just trying to understand what they specifically did to you.
And so you're saying they wrote an article about you because you're saying you want a right to be left alone from their shots?
unidentified
Yes.
That's one.
There we go.
One of the reasons.
Read my religious exemption.
It's posted on my Twitter, Missouri Battle Flag.
alex jones
No, no, I mean, I will.
I will.
I will.
And I appreciate your call.
We gave the guy four minutes.
We got to get to the rest of the callers.
We'll never get to everybody.
People say, he just censored that guy because he's a good white patriot.
No, the guy got more time than other callers.
Gotta move to the next person.
jordan holmes
And he's in the class.
alex jones
I would never go to an ADL meeting.
And if you go to a KKK meeting, you're at an ADL meeting.
They run the whole thing.
I mean, literally.
The Grand Dragon, all of them's them.
Just give me a break, man.
Let's go ahead and talk to John in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
Very defensive.
jordan holmes
You know, that's Alex's weird, backward strategy to defeat racism.
All of your groups where you go to learn about being a better Nazi, they're run by the ADL.
You shouldn't go there!
Stay home!
Don't go hang out with other Nazis!
Stay home!
Read books!
unidentified
Create your own Nazi cells.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
But if you create your own Nazi cell, you have to join the ADL.
That's the crazy thing about it.
dan friesen
It's how they get you.
jordan holmes
It's so weird.
dan friesen
So Alex takes another call, and this guy is going well.
And then the guy turns on Alex.
unidentified
Yo, how you all doing?
Yeah, I just want to say there was something very troubling with the RFK Jr.
Eli Musk discussion.
They kept referring to our republic as a democracy over and over again.
And I see this trend happening a lot.
alex jones
Constitutional republic, a little d democracy.
In a democracy, the majority could kill the 49%.
In a republic, there are basic rights to protect the minority.
You're absolutely right.
unidentified
That's correct.
And if you watch that video, not one time did either one of them refer to this as...
alex jones
I'm glad you called.
When I ended up listening to most of it last night, I only saw part of it during the show because we were live.
It was like a religious mantra.
Democracy, democracy, democracy.
We're not a democracy.
We're a republic.
Sorry, go ahead and make a point.
unidentified
Yes, this is correct.
And what they're doing is they're after the children, all right?
They're trying to hammer home these things into the children so that they forget the rights that they were given by God.
When you have a constitutional republic, you got to be killed, man.
You got to kill everybody.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
unidentified
When you have a democracy, you can just have mob rules, man, and it's over.
And just one more quick point I'd like to make.
Hey, Crowder, you pompous a-hole!
Walk your own damn dog!
What are you doing to your pregnant wife, that big-ass master?
jordan holmes
You scumbag!
alex jones
All right, so I don't know what that guy's talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you do.
alex jones
Yeah, you fucking do.
jordan holmes
You know exactly what I was talking about.
alex jones
All right, let's go ahead and take another caller.
unidentified
I don't know what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Oops.
jordan holmes
That's why it's tough to co-mingle InfoWars audiences.
dan friesen
Ooh, boy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not a fan of Crowder yelling at his pregnant wife.
jordan holmes
I am a little bit...
Gobsmacked by that.
dan friesen
Yep.
I was surprised.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
You have somebody who seems to be quite politically on board with Alex and also offended by the way Stephen Crowder treated his now ex-wife.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance there.
dan friesen
It's a strange cat.
jordan holmes
It's tough to live like that.
dan friesen
It must be.
So the rest of the episode takes on a bit of a character that I wasn't expecting.
I think that we all kind of have understood the strategy and how it will evolve as things have gone along.
For instance, the rolling back of Roe v.
Wade, the attacking of trans people's rights.
These are things that are bad in and of themselves, but also belie the next things that the...
is going to do.
jordan holmes
It's going to escalate.
dan friesen
There's going to be continuing rollback of progress and rights that people have fought for over the years.
Yeah.
unidentified
And particularly, you could tell that rights just generally For homosexual existence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to be under attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
The right to marry, obviously, is one of those battlefronts.
But if you're going based on the rhetoric that's flying around on Infowars right now, the goal that Alex and his audience seem to be interested in is outlawing being gay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that becomes something that callers are espousing and Alex is on board with.
Which is unbelievable.
alex jones
Thank you for calling.
I'll give you your time.
Move to the next person.
Keith in Texas, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Jones, for taking my call.
Can you hear me okay?
I can.
Welcome.
If it wasn't for you, I'd probably be dead today because I would have gotten one of those real vaccines.
I'd take some of your supplements with my wife.
And I just want to start off where somebody left off on Elon Musk.
He's a Satanist hiding in plain sight.
Last year he was seen with a samurai suit on, embossed with goat's heads and upside down Thomas Jefferson.
Trump, Kennedy, and DeSantis are birds of a feather.
Thomas Jefferson.
They flop together.
And this won't be turned around unless we get the government to repeal government.
Government-imposed, legalized homosexuality in America because it wasn't legal for 183 years when it was first legalized in 1959.
That's just a few of the things I'd like to see turned around in this country.
But you're doing a good thing.
And all your staff there, you guys are doing a really good job.
And I hope you can keep pushing on.
If I hit a big jackpot in the lottery, I'll send you even more money.
God bless.
Take care.
alex jones
Keith, I really appreciate you.
I'm going to say something here because it's the right thing to say.
I've been a Christian, a populist.
dan friesen
So at that point, when Alex says, I'm going to say something because it's the right thing to say, I legitimately thought...
jordan holmes
No, you did not.
dan friesen
I legitimately thought he was going to push back.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
And be like, that is too far.
jordan holmes
No way.
dan friesen
I did.
I thought he was going to say...
jordan holmes
I'm a little disappointed in you.
dan friesen
I'm disappointed in Alex.
I'm not disappointed in myself because hope springs eternal.
jordan holmes
I know.
No, I'm not disappointed in you either.
dan friesen
I think that you hope that someone would be able to recognize what this person is actually in favor of.
And I thought Alex, with his whole thing of like, let people be, you know, all this, that would be a bridge too far.
But I was wrong.
alex jones
And I like libertarian ideas, and I don't hate people, what they do in their bedrooms and they're adults.
But I'll say this.
I mean, I remember learning when I was a teenager that Texas still had sodomy laws.
And thinking, well, they shouldn't arrest, you know, gay people.
And then I learned that I'm not supposed to call them homosexuals, even though it's heterosexual, homosexual.
It's a scientific term.
And then it's, oh, just let us marry.
And then now, just let us have access to your kids.
And now, just let us cut your son's penis off.
And I'm not going to lump all those groups into one group, but there's a reason it's been banned in civilization, because every time it starts, it takes over.
If you read some of the first books of the Bible, I forget which one it's in, with the story of Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah, is that in Genesis or is that the next book?
dan friesen
Biblical scholar over here.
Yeah, no kidding.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't...
Here's why I am blown away by you thinking that.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
Is because...
And I think you have the same mistaken impression that I think a lot of people have.
dan friesen
How dare you.
jordan holmes
Which is that you think now mainstream Christians would actively say no to that.
Which is bananas to me.
Bananas to me.
dan friesen
I think a lot would.
But maybe I would be disappointed by some numbers.
jordan holmes
No, the majority will absolutely be delighted to see homosexuality outlawed.
And the ones who won't will be very loud, but the most of them won't say anything.
And they'll listen to their pastors say that it was the right thing to do.
I am telling you, as much as everybody wants to believe that we are better than we were, the mainstream Christianity movement will love outlawing homosexuality.
And I understand that a lot of individuals who are Christians will hate it and will be strongly against it.
And they will say to me right now, no, Jordan, that's not true.
And I am telling you right now that it is.
And be aware of that.
dan friesen
I think that a lot of churches in general have fairly conservative politics to them.
And have a conservative cultural...
And so I think that in terms of that, the numbers would be high.
Yeah, I think it's something to be worried about.
I just...
I don't know.
I just don't know what you do.
With a mentality like that.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying is that if you are LGBTQ, you can trust Christians right now as long as they don't have any power.
And then all of your friends run from them.
dan friesen
The thing that I think about is I understand that it's all duplicitous and it doesn't mean anything.
So please take this with a grain of salt.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But conversations surrounding marriage, that at least is a policy.
You know what I mean?
I know that it's not, and I know that it is a right that is being denied people, but at least there is a conversation around it that has the appearance of being about policy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The idea of making it illegal to be something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems so far beyond the pale, even for the amount of, like, you know, the place that we're in.
I mean, it's in the book.
jordan holmes
That's the easy way.
It's in the book, that you can't be gay.
So it is outlawed.
It's already outlawed in the Bible.
So it's outlawed in the Christian mind.
dan friesen
I need you to not make this wholly about Christianity for a second.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
All religious dominated societies that are dominated by males will inevitably create circumstances wherein they have this type of power over women and people who are minorities.
dan friesen
I understand that history has gone that way.
jordan holmes
Don't give men power.
That's my advice.
dan friesen
I believe that...
There is an amount of what you're talking about that is a very potent motivator and aspect of this.
But I also think that even dealing with it secularly, in that prism, there's still a problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
And so I would prefer to look at the problem...
Holistically and recognize that there's the religious influence that is going to be an issue.
Sure.
But even with or without that, there is something that is happening right now.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
That is larger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Here's the issue.
Maybe there is a certain amount of denial that is being...
Sort of taken away in as much as the policies that have been enacted make trans existence in public more or less illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why is it any more surprising that Alex would be in favor of laws that would make it illegal to be gay?
jordan holmes
If it's in...
dan friesen
It doesn't...
It shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I mean, we cannot ever think of the LGBTQ plus community as anything other than all of the letters at once.
Any letter is under attack, all of the letters are under attack.
That is the truth of that.
dan friesen
And I don't disagree.
And I don't know exactly what it is.
I guess...
It just...
I don't know.
I don't know why it seems more surprising.
jordan holmes
Well, because we've had to fight for the letters as if they were individuals.
That's the way that it's gone over time.
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
But I think...
dan friesen
Maybe I've become desensitized to his anti-trans rhetoric.
Maybe desensitized isn't the right word, but I'm aware of it so much that it doesn't shock me.
jordan holmes
We've seen the conversation change.
dan friesen
I know that policy for him.
This seems different for him, and it seems like a lot of his anti-trans...
Rhetoric and stuff is based on a, hey, I'm fine with gay people.
He uses that as an excuse for why his hatred is okay over here.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And to see, nah, I kind of hate them all.
I kind of don't want them all to be allowed to exist.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I guess it's disappointing.
It's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
I recognize that.
I do.
I just...
I suppose, and I mean, it's entirely possible, as has been pointed out many times, I'm more cynical than otherwise people might have known.
But it's not changed.
I don't understand.
I understand why people outside of the communities that I am aware of...
Who are very lovely people that you would never even think about being like, "Oh yeah, we should outlaw gay people." They would treat you lovely.
If you were gay and you came to their house, they would feed you.
They would tell you stories.
dan friesen
And you're hearing that from Alex.
jordan holmes
They would listen to everything about you.
dan friesen
That mentality that he thinks he embodies.
jordan holmes
Totally.
And they would do that without a heartbeat.
And at the same time, they'll go to church and they'll be like, yeah, of course it's illegal to be gay.
That's just how the church works.
And I understand people think that that's different because we don't talk about it that way.
And they don't talk about it because they don't have to.
It's not in the news every day.
trans rights are in the news every day.
So churches talk about trans rights every day.
They don't talk about how they need to outlaw gay people because that's next.
dan friesen
And I guess maybe what I'm expressing in the disappointment...
Maybe that's not even what I'm feeling.
Maybe it's just a realization of what I thought...
was down the road more is already here.
jordan holmes
It's right here, yeah.
dan friesen
This conversation is already comfortable on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's something that a caller can espouse and Alex can say, I need to say this because it's the right thing to say.
Yep.
unidentified
It's fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I guess it's maybe a disillusionment that we're further down a road than, than, And I apologize for...
Sorry, sorry.
The flip side of it that I even maybe need to wrestle with is not appreciating the attacks on trans people as enough of an indication of how far we're down the road.
Because it did feel like that is a bit down the road and somehow we're, you know, like...
This is still a mile marker that feels beyond, and it's not.
And that is a realization that I'm having and I'm not happy about.
And I need to think about that a little more, but I apologize.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, and I apologize for singling out Christianity.
The only reason that came up is because that's where Alex is coming at this from.
That's why it's the right thing to do.
He's coming at this from that point of view.
If you'd like, we can talk about how Islam is absolutely against the LGBTQ plan.
We can fuck around with religion all day.
unidentified
All of them.
dan friesen
But if you secularize it and look at it through that lens, he's still arguing it's the right thing to do because it's a slippery slope.
You allow people to exist and then they want you to use different words and then they want to get married and then they're coming for your kids.
That's outside of religion.
jordan holmes
There's the twin messages of God hates it, and if that's your deal, go for it.
And then there's the message of, well, society will collapse if we allow it.
It's a completely secular message, right?
You don't want society to collapse.
You might not have anything personal about any of this, but society is where you live.
You don't want it to collapse.
So it's not just one argument, and I totally agree with you.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
It's a lot to unpack.
You know, of Alex's hatred, what it's indicative of in terms of right-wing conversation progressing, and it's a lot to unpack about, you know, unconscious biases that even yourself or myself are guilty of having.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
I know.
It's a mess.
It's terrifying.
dan friesen
So Alex whines about LGBTQ stuff for a little bit and then has nothing to say for a question on a topic he should know something about.
alex jones
Gillette and other TV ads tell you that men asking women out is rape.
But sex with children is good.
These corporations are sick.
They're evil.
We're going to skip this network break.
Anonymous in Texas, thank you for holding patiently.
You're on the air, Anonymous.
unidentified
Thank you for taking my call and everything you've done.
Everyone, if you have not seen Alex's documentary Endgame, please watch it.
I live in Texas.
I want to change my bank.
What do you think is the most ethical or lesser evil bank that deserves my business?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
alex jones
I have.
I mean, I'll be honest with you.
I have not had time to study all that.
I know that Larry Elder's promoting some new bank.
dan friesen
You talk about banks all the time.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Central banking, all the...
He complains about...
He, of all people, should have that recommendation.
And I'm repeating myself, because someone called in and asked this on another show that we've listened to, and Alex had no answer there, too.
If I were Alex, and I was presenting myself in the way that he does, and I got that call, and I had no answer, I'd come up with an answer, in case somebody asked again.
And he didn't.
You know what?
Fuck around and just say a credit union.
jordan holmes
I've been good at credit unions.
dan friesen
Any credit union is probably your right.
jordan holmes
Is that ideologically...
Are they opposed to credit unions too?
Or is it just because they have the union in it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's really just a bunch of people putting their money together and then loaning it out.
It's not hard.
dan friesen
I don't know, but it would seem to be in line with the more decentralized aesthetic that Alex aspires towards.
jordan holmes
My aunt had a credit union when she was still alive.
She was a part of the credit union.
And she got me in.
And I'm still with that credit union.
I'm not leaving a credit union.
I'm not going to fucking Chase or whatever evil corporations out there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I regret to say that I bank with a major bank.
And I was with a credit union where I lived in Missouri.
And then it just didn't...
It was so inconvenient when I moved here.
And I was just like...
Who has ATMs everywhere?
jordan holmes
That's how anti-banks I am.
I was still mailing my checks physically to Springfield, Illinois to cash them.
Because I'm still banking at that fucking credit union.
That's what's happening.
dan friesen
It's something as life goes on, maybe I should think about.
Shifting that up.
But whatever the case, Alex should have an answer to this.
And that would be a fine one.
jordan holmes
Credit unions.
Yeah, credit unions!
dan friesen
Not Larry Elder has been talking about something.
jordan holmes
That should be so easy.
There's no good major bank.
They're banks.
That's what they do.
dan friesen
And Alex should know about that.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So anyway, when I brought up a bit of the rest of the show has to do with this idea that...
You know, outlawing homosexuality is a conversation that's fine now for InfoWars.
It's because it comes up more than once.
unidentified
I gotta ask one question real quick.
You can answer at the end.
Between Florida and Texas, where to go?
And if it's Texas, where?
owl killer in virginia
As far as the homosexual agenda, look, we don't care what people do in their bedrooms, but it is a sex and death cult, and they don't get that.
If there's going to be a backlash and it's all going to go away, the blue hair will go.
unidentified
The gay marriage will go.
You won't be able to do what's being done in public because it is being forced on people.
owl killer in virginia
And if it were straight people doing it, it would be disgusting.
unidentified
It's just an overt cult.
dan friesen
Straight people with blue hair is disgusting?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't even know.
I don't even know where to start with a person who has that list of issues.
dan friesen
No, and I don't really care either, except to say that, like, this is...
jordan holmes
It's totally fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Speak freely kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because somebody wears blue hair, forcing me to know something about them.
Forcing me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Forcing me, a person who is out there looking at them.
dan friesen
How dare they?
jordan holmes
A person who is living their life on their own, doing nothing towards me whatsoever.
I make the choice to look at them, and then I have to know?
How dare they?
dan friesen
So, this episode might be a bit of a bummer, a downer ending, because we have a sad caller.
I don't know if they're actually all that sad, but it makes me sad.
unidentified
And I think everything, it was a few weeks ago you had the animation of Fantasia, the night on Bald Mountain.
That is like metaphysically what I see.
It's like, we look out and see a pretty day, but it's like, I think so many things are coming to a head that that's the actual, if you could see into the spirit realm, what it looks like.
You know, including like what Harrison was talking about earlier with the two witches or goblins, whatever they were in a person's backyard, you know, chewing on a deer.
alex jones
This is women literally, and I've seen the video.
It's not fake.
It's women eating rotten meat.
This is how psychotic people are getting.
unidentified
Well, you're talking to a woman who's, I'm a mother of a daughter that may be engaging, and I don't know if she's eating deers, but she and I don't talk because of the spirit within her.
I don't know my daughter.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Oh, this is not going to be handled appropriately.
dan friesen
That is a bummer.
jordan holmes
That is a bummer.
dan friesen
I don't talk to my daughter anymore because of the spirit that's in her.
I don't know if she's eating deer, rotten deer meat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Some video that Harrison found online that they're...
jordan holmes
I'm going to...
Listen, Alex, I can't talk to my daughter because of the spirit within her.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So I'm talking to you for help.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, probably the spirit that's in her is something that is totally normal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could just talk to her.
dan friesen
It might be her way of saying that my daughter is gay.
Or possibly it's a mental health thing and she's just not giving her daughter the help that the daughter needs.
It's really dark.
jordan holmes
That's dark.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, we come to the end of this, and maybe Crowder's studio isn't good for Alex.
Maybe he should stay on vacation.
Or retire, like he was talking about.
Because this sucks.
jordan holmes
Maybe he should try Downers.
See how that goes for a while.
dan friesen
Well, you did notice that towards the end of the show, there was a little bit less speediness.
Maybe you balanced out a little.
So yeah, I think this does not portend well.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Doesn't speak highly of the level of stuff that's to come.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And I don't look forward to that.
The more normalization of deeper and deeper narratives of...
I don't know, man.
It's tough.
It's real tough.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's tough partially because I don't know how to have a lot of this conversation.
And I think that it is very strange to unpack some of that stuff that legitimately may just be temporal.
It might just be time-based.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That there's been so much longer of my life that, you know, the right to be gay has been there the entire time that I've been a conscious human.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know?
Right.
Trans-existence has been something that has been marginalized and threatened my entire life.
But the awareness of those issues are more reset.
And they are more things that feel like it's a fight that we're still participating in bringing to a point.
Where there is more equality.
It feels like something, a battle that is still ongoing.
As opposed to the situation with the right to be gay.
That feels like a closed chapter.
I don't know.
There's so many weird feelings mixed up in it.
jordan holmes
I think we're trapped in a very regular place, which is that we think time is long.
You think, oh, this has been a settled problem, but Obama wasn't sure if gay people should get married.
Right.
We thought, oh, Roe is done because it had been legal for 50 years.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not how long these things take.
Abortion was legal before it was illegal for a length of time.
And then they spent years outlawing it.
And then we spent years trying to get it back.
And then they spent years outlawing it again.
It's not settled until the people who are trying to outlaw it are no longer in power.
And are no longer allowed to have power.
dan friesen
Or conceivably stop.
And that's probably not real.
jordan holmes
That's not going to happen.
dan friesen
That's not realistic.
jordan holmes
Maybe it'll happen, but we are a show that covers a man who is specifically incapable of stopping himself from doing anything.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So it's hard from my point of view to look out at the rest of the world and be like, I bet they'll righten up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not long.
It's not long.
Fifty years is a short period of time for rights.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Big picture, yeah.
But it's also not if it's your whole life, if it's your whole existence.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
You think, oh, no, it never changed, yeah.
dan friesen
And yeah, so there's these, I don't know, weird...
Unexamined, I guess, biases that exist.
And so, like I said, I don't know if even I necessarily navigated some of this stuff as well as I could.
And I apologize if there's things that weren't handled gracefully.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's all weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It sucks.
But, hey.
The recognition of this is helpful in some ways.
It helps me approach Alex and what he does more appropriately and more realistically.
And it helps understand, like you're saying, we thought things were settled and they're not.
There is a need, I think, to recognize that across the board, things that are...
Maybe things we take for granted and things that are just normal parts of life, maybe even the entire time we've been alive, maybe are not.
jordan holmes
I mean, just because things are quiet does not mean they're done.
It is that kind of thing where we're all very trapped in the conversation of the now.
What's the topic going on now that you don't even think about?
What that's really hiding.
You know, the topic now is trans existence.
That's the topic now for us, right?
The topic is the same topic as it was 20 years ago.
The topic is LGBTQ people exist.
That's the topic.
And whatever angle you are taking, this time it's blue hair.
This time it's two men kissing.
This time it's a trans person.
They're all the same.
They're all the same attack.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I think one of the things, too, with Alex is so much of the conversation ends up getting caught up in these culture war things with, like, being mad at Target, being mad at Bud Light, and stuff like that that is cartoonish, but also hateful.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But it also is, like, really about the goals of stripping back those rights.
And keeping focused on that, I think, is important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like the superficial monstrosity can...
Cover up the fundamental monstrosity.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think the part that really sucks is I think that that's a lesson we've probably learned before.
And sometimes have to keep relearning.
jordan holmes
Again and again and again.
dan friesen
And that's just because Alex is so good at reading heart lyrics.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That we get distracted.
jordan holmes
Can't not learn more about the heart lyrics.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Straight on.
dan friesen
So we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Straight on.
dan friesen
But I'm going to go to the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good time.
dan friesen
But we'll keep an eye on the present for sure because shit's bad.
So we'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
Oh, you know what?
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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