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May 17, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
01:38:38
#808: May 15, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check out a busy day for Alex. In this installment, Alex hosts Steven Crowder's show, and then does his own show from Steven's studio, where he chats with the head of a website that white supremacists totally love.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
09:34
d
dan friesen
50:46
j
jordan holmes
26:29
Appearances
g
gerald morgan
03:15
p
peter brimelow
03:00
Clips
j
joe biden
00:05
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
No, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is last night I went out to trivia.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Went out to a bar trivia.
jordan holmes
You went out to a bar trivia?
dan friesen
Yeah, with good friend Angela Lampsbury.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Went out to some bar trivia.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, nobody else you know would drag you out to a bar trivia.
dan friesen
I enjoy bar trivia, man.
jordan holmes
I know, I understand.
dan friesen
Yeah, we had a great time.
Came in second place.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Yeah, almost won.
We would have won if it weren't for one question, which I'll give to you here in a minute.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we...
Did quite well.
Had a team name.
It was supposed to be Honk or Honey from the 80s.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And an 80s slang term.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So like a slang term first.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
First pitch Angela Lapsbury made was Bitchin' Kissingers.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And can't beat that.
jordan holmes
Can't beat that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Stuck.
dan friesen
Because Kissinger in the 80s.
jordan holmes
He was a sex symbol for a while.
dan friesen
That guy was hot.
jordan holmes
I mean, he wasn't, and yet he somehow was still in newspapers, and people were like, holy shit.
dan friesen
I don't think that was ever the case.
jordan holmes
It is 100% true.
dan friesen
Maybe not in the 80s, though.
He was already 60 by then.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I'm telling you.
Well, it's not like he was ever a good-looking dude.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But anyway, we went with that, and yeah, came in second.
Here's the question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, it was the people who could, big stars who had a breakout in the 80s.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so, it was, who was the older brother in Goonies?
Essentially, was what the question boiled down to.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Who played the older brother in Goonies?
jordan holmes
I don't know, but the only name I have in my head is River Phoenix, so I'm just going to go with that one.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, obviously not.
dan friesen
The only name I could come up with from Goonies was Sean Astin.
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He was in that.
dan friesen
And it also forced me to confront something that I hadn't realized.
jordan holmes
Wasn't Dawson's Creek in that?
dan friesen
Joshua Jackson?
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Or the other guy?
jordan holmes
No, Joshua Jackson.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I realize that I've never seen Goonies.
I always just thought I had, but I guess I haven't.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I have either.
I remember the truffle shuffle.
I remember the guy with the eye.
dan friesen
They never say die, right?
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
I know some references from it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it's one of those things where you've seen more through references than you have.
dan friesen
Sometimes you don't realize you haven't seen it, much like with George Thurgood.
You don't realize you've never seen him until you see him, and you're like, whoa.
jordan holmes
Yeah, or it's so many old movie references I originally got from Looney Tunes things.
Before I ever saw Casablanca, I knew so much about it because Bugs Bunny quoted.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Frankly, my dear.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
See, it's Josh Brolin.
jordan holmes
Josh Brolin?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That son of a...
dan friesen
Yeah, we would have won had we gotten Josh Brolin.
jordan holmes
Did you have a question that you were particularly like, hey, listen, this is the answer, I know it.
dan friesen
I guess, because we kind of both knew a lot of them.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
She knew a couple that I wouldn't have gotten.
But the one that I had that I stood by and was insistent about was finishing a commercial jingle slogan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it was, make it last a little longer, hold tight a little longer.
What was the brand?
jordan holmes
No idea.
dan friesen
It's Big Red.
jordan holmes
Big Red!
dan friesen
The gum!
jordan holmes
Okay, yes.
dan friesen
And it doesn't feel like that, because in your mind, Big Red, it seems like it's a cinnamon gum or something.
You wouldn't want to hold tight and kiss Big Red.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, if I were going to go with a gum, I would have gone with Juicy Fruit.
That would have been the one that would attract for me.
dan friesen
Or like Winter Mint or whatever, the Double Mint.
Sure.
No, but the Double Mint one was the Twins.
jordan holmes
Ah, the Winter.
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Big Red.
I remembered their jingle.
And I felt proud.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I had to do it.
I downloaded Legend of Zelda.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Played a couple hours.
dan friesen
What happened to the Jedis?
jordan holmes
I won.
I beat it.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That was fast.
It's a fairly short narrative.
It's one of those games that you play over and over and over again.
The main story narrative is only such and such length of time.
Really satisfying narrative.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Really, really enjoyable.
I liked it a lot.
Good Jedi story.
But, I mean, you know, you go into...
We need standardized button controls.
I can't go back and forth.
dan friesen
It's hard.
jordan holmes
It drives me insane.
dan friesen
You get used to it if you go back and forth a little bit more.
But it is weird, because the X is like the primary button on PlayStation, kind of.
And then A is primary.
It's a different position on the Nintendo controller.
One thing that I would tell you is there is an option to invert the jump button.
jordan holmes
That was the second thing.
Figured out how to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I played maybe 45 seconds before I was like, this doesn't feel right.
jordan holmes
Can't handle it.
I can't handle jumping with the top button.
It should be against the law.
dan friesen
No, because I'm going to jump too much.
I can't be up there.
jordan holmes
I don't know why we should have standardized parts for just that.
That would make so much sense.
Everybody can have their games and do all that stuff, but just make it easy on us for the controls.
Y 'all have the same number of buttons.
dan friesen
A lot of games do allow you to sort of remap some of the controller buttons, but not all of them.
So how are you enjoying it so far?
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
It's a lot of fun.
I don't know if I've played any of the story, but just...
Combining stuff into terrible machinery has been an endless source of joy for me.
dan friesen
Yeah, and what's fun is along the way, as you play the actual story, you can continue to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, totally.
dan friesen
And by the point that you're at, I'm going to guess that there are machine pieces you haven't even counted.
jordan holmes
No, not even close.
dan friesen
Because there are a couple that I just ran into for the first time.
And I was like, whoa.
jordan holmes
I genuinely have not made it out of the tutorial area yet.
dan friesen
Okay.
So yeah, you haven't encountered a bunch of stuff.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope, nope.
There was one simple thing where you put the hook next to the board and I was like, yeah, anybody can do that.
So I made like a four-sided...
Yeah, I had to do it and then I've just like...
dan friesen
You're cocky.
jordan holmes
It didn't work.
Like the whole thing is a mess.
dan friesen
That's the joy of discovery right there.
jordan holmes
It was fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I had a moment that was a little dumb.
So a little, like pretty early into the game, you'll end up like, so you find the main camp where like a bunch of the Hylian characters are.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you have a little, you have opportunities for side quests or whatever.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Or you can just wander around.
And so I decided just to wander around.
I played hours and I didn't, I realized like.
Wait, people keep mentioning a camera.
I'm supposed to have a camera.
I don't have a camera.
And so, like, I bet if I go back to the main camp, one of those missions was a camera.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
And so I go back.
I talk to the person who gives you the camera, and part of that quest involves going underground.
So you know how there's a whole sky area?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's a whole underground area, too.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
unidentified
Why not?
dan friesen
And I had no idea for the first ten hours I was playing the game that there's like a third world within the world.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It was nuts.
It was just like, I kind of sat back and I was like, well...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
The only thing it's missing, really, in terms of being a completely overwhelming game is multiple characters that you can play as.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If there were a bunch of playable characters, then it was like, I don't know what to do.
I can't handle this.
jordan holmes
No, I was never able to get into Minecraft because I would get too into Minecraft in that kind of...
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, once I started with this...
I haven't left the tutorial area because I've literally just been playing with logs and just combining them into different, you know, it's that kind of like I can't focus until I've created something so weirdly made of logs.
The end of sentence, you know, it's just, I just have to.
dan friesen
The thing that ruins, like, Minecraft for me is the people who have, like, got it down to, like, a science, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That kind of aspect of it makes it, so, like, what am I going to build?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because people have made, like, computers within the game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's tough.
dan friesen
He's like, I don't know what to do.
jordan holmes
I think all I'm going to do is make sculptures of logs.
That's my way of playing tears in the kingdom.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I will make several modern art pieces.
dan friesen
And that's an achievement in and of itself.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, we're going to be talking about some present-day business.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Got an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it actually is sort of a two-pronged episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's two prongs.
jordan holmes
We're flanking.
dan friesen
One prong over here.
One prong over here.
I don't know if we're flanking anything, but there's two things.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll get down to business on those two things, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, a globalist in a hot tub.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Moist Oyster.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
This one may be a little bit late.
I hope I didn't ruin anything with this, but congratulations, Joey and Sush.
Consider this my save-the-date.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
I assume we will be congratulating them on their third born or something at that point.
dan friesen
I hope that you did not.
I hope you also sent an RSVP.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And CEO of Diamond Gusset Jeans Co., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So, thank you so much, too.
Brandon says, Emily is a policy wonk, and I love her.
The I there being Brandon, not me.
Although, Emily, I'm sure you're wonderful.
You are all now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And as I was going through, you know, getting names, particularly it was driven home by this Save the Date one.
Yeah.
I realized that, like, inboxes, like, are just unusable.
And, like, that was six months behind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, if you would like a shout-out, send a message to knowledgefightatgmail.com.
Jordan monitors that email address.
Yep.
That's the only thing I can say at this point.
jordan holmes
That's the one.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Send it to that email address.
I will catch it.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is Jordan's, not main job, but this is a mission.
jordan holmes
This is high up on the fucking list, that's for sure.
dan friesen
And so, yeah.
Six months behind.
jordan holmes
It feels bad.
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's hard.
Yeah.
This is why.
People have ads with, like, the same person every time.
They're like, oh, they do this thing.
Then you don't give a shit, you know?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Whenever you back up on people, you're like, this feels miserable.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it should be a joyous thing.
jordan holmes
It is a joyous thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's bittersweet.
dan friesen
Joey and Sush got married.
unidentified
Yay!
dan friesen
This should be a day of celebration.
jordan holmes
It's a day for celebration.
dan friesen
And no, instead, I feel bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, such is that way.
dan friesen
Oh, also, I forgot.
Joey and Sush, to save the date, this person wants chicken.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, like I said, there's two prongs to this.
And so I'm going to let you choose A or B. And that will determine what we do first.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Oh, man.
Now I'm getting into a whole Princess Bride scenario where I'm like, he wants me to choose B because he thinks that I'll obviously choose B, so I'll choose A. But he knows me.
He knows that I'm going to distrust his A choice.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
How about this?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's go with polka dot or stripes.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good one.
dan friesen
So it doesn't have an inherent order.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's an inherent order.
That's a good call.
Hmm.
I'm going to have to go with Stripes.
dan friesen
Okay, Stripes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Third favorite Bill Murray movie.
dan friesen
So that actually works out quite well, because that means that we're going to go in a chronological order of the day.
So we're talking about May 15th here today, and the two things that happen are Alex hosted Steven Crowder's show.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, don't.
Stop that.
dan friesen
That's the first thing.
jordan holmes
How dare he?
dan friesen
And then Alex had his show.
From Steven Crowder's studio.
jordan holmes
All right.
So he just lives at Steven Crowder's place now?
dan friesen
I think he's trying to take him over.
jordan holmes
I mean, it feels like he's slowly just kind of like, hey.
dan friesen
I don't know about slow.
jordan holmes
I'm waiting for him to start calling himself Alex Crowder.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a real interesting thing that is going on, clearly.
Both of them are people who have, like, fraught.
Intimate relationships, let's say.
Steven Crowder is in the middle of this divorce and there's a lot of things coming out about the way he treated his wife.
Alex is certainly somebody who his ex-wife has spoken quite a bit about his abusive habits.
And so the two of them kind of have that in common.
They're both shitheads that think they're funny.
jordan holmes
Both made a lot of enemies recently.
dan friesen
True.
They're both...
Isolated, even within the conservative world, to some degree.
There are only...
Somewhat fringe figures who really want to associate with either of them.
jordan holmes
They were in a bigger lake and then they both got kicked to the same smaller pond.
dan friesen
Yeah, they have emotional similarities and then also just sort of concrete business similarities.
unidentified
Totally, yeah.
dan friesen
And they're both in Texas and so the things sort of that bind them appear to be making a more important connection.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so that's fun.
It's not fun.
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I suppose two awful, asshole-ish monsters developing a misery-based bond is not good for the rest of the world ever.
dan friesen
No, no.
But what is interesting, and I think will play out in ways that I'm not entirely sure how they're going.
I can't really predict.
There's going to be a power struggle.
They're both...
Intensely, for lack of a better word, alpha.
They are people with massive egos.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I would guess that the two of them can't coexist, really.
jordan holmes
It'd be hard to imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They live too close.
dan friesen
Texas ain't big enough for the both of us.
They're gonna end up in a duel.
jordan holmes
Why not?
They seem like the people who should be dueling in 2023.
dan friesen
Crowder has a gun on his desk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Alex had a fucking long gun on his desk.
They have a lot in common.
dan friesen
These are dueling people.
So we're gonna start here with Alex hosting Steven Crowder's show.
And so the setup of Steven Crowder's show is there's a co-host who I don't know his name.
I think his name's Gerald.
He's the CEO of Crowder's business, and he's also the co-host.
There used to be another co-host who was supposedly the funny guy, but he left recently and has been shit-talking Crowder quite a bit about how, like, one of the things he said was that Crowder had a button that would tell him to stop talking because he was talking too much.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
The funny guy was talking too much.
unidentified
Wow, wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You had, like, a real moment of, like, If only.
dan friesen
I directly tell you mic down if I don't want you to talk over a clip or something.
jordan holmes
You have the respect.
dan friesen
Or I just mute your mic.
jordan holmes
Give me a shot caller.
dan friesen
I got the board.
jordan holmes
Give me a shot caller.
dan friesen
Come on.
That would even be better because that would be a bit.
That would be funny.
This is just a private thing that is kind of insulting.
jordan holmes
It's a real dick move.
dan friesen
That guy's not there anymore.
He's gone.
And so it's really just the two of them and then some third figure who's chiming in.
But there's people laughing.
And I think that that dynamic isn't healthy for Alex.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because they laugh at just about anything.
Right.
And so Alex really thinks he's funny.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And that's not good.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
Here's where we start.
alex jones
Well, this is surreal.
I am sitting here.
...human broadcast in the world that's just exploding.
It's already exploded years ago, but it's just taking over Rumble, YouTube, everywhere else.
Steven Crowder's amazing morning show, and I am here.
With my training wheels on, I never get butterflies, which is a very good thing.
It's been decades since I get butterflies.
I don't get butterflies live on ABC News, but I've got them now.
But Gerald, the CEO, is here to hold my hand.
We've got a big live transmission lined up for you here today.
dan friesen
So yeah, I don't know when Alex has been live on ABC, certainly not lately.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You might have noticed that jazz?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I did notice that.
dan friesen
That elevator music?
jordan holmes
Did he swear?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
So they have a show on YouTube, and they have been on YouTube for a long time.
Steven Carter has millions of followers on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And now, after he did that unsuccessful stunt with The Daily Wire, he has gotten a large contract with Rumble.
And so, what they do is, originally, they had...
The beginning of their show on YouTube, like the first hour or something, and then the rest behind a paywall.
Now, since then, they've had the bit on YouTube, and then the rest behind a paywall, but...
On YouTube, they constantly cut to that elevator music and it implies that something was censored.
Or like, this is too dangerous for YouTube.
You gotta go watch it on Rumble.
They're intentionally trying to drive people away from their YouTube platform over to Rumble.
It's a disingenuous sort of, hey, we're too censored.
You can't even watch the thing here.
This is Alex saying hello and welcome to the show.
It's painful.
They're trying...
We're going to sink the ship of YouTube in order to make people go to Rumble.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's a reasonable...
I would say this.
If you just got a contract with Rumble, you can't overtly be like, yeah, YouTube is our main source of money, you know?
dan friesen
But it's even not, because I think they're demonetized and have been on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Well, then burn it.
dan friesen
Because Steven Crowder's, you know...
I think part of it was him gay bashing that guy.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Vox, Carlos Maza.
jordan holmes
Any number of reasons would be enough.
dan friesen
There's a number of things that he's done that have been against TOS.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
So, yeah, that makes this really difficult to listen to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I decided, I want to listen to the YouTube version.
jordan holmes
Take that, Rumble!
Bunch of assholes, fuck you!
I'm literally not going to give him money for this shit.
dan friesen
That's what he wants me to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to YouTube.
dan friesen
So we get some headlines from the co-host, and you get a little bit of the flavor.
gerald morgan
Megan Kelly actually goes to war with Charlize Theron.
I didn't realize she was still relevant.
Not Megan Kelly.
Of course she is, but Charlize.
That's one.
What?
Also, I don't know, Alex, if you heard this, but the Twitter's got a new CEO.
alex jones
That's right.
I've got her name right here.
It's Linda Macaroni.
gerald morgan
Macarena.
alex jones
Macarena.
Do the Macarena?
gerald morgan
Pecorino.
I don't know.
There's a WF connection there that I'm sure Alex is going to love to tell you.
This is going to be a fun show today, by the way.
dan friesen
So fun.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yes, I mean, Charlize Theron is in, like, the Fast and Furious movies.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Some of the highest grossing films of the last few years.
jordan holmes
Charlize Theron is infinitely more relevant to the culture than Megyn Kelly ever will be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
She said that she would fuck up people who were trying to mess with drag queens.
And so Megyn Kelly got mad about that and was like, why don't you fight me?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yes!
Man, I really think...
dan friesen
A bunch of nonsense.
unidentified
I think people would be surprised to see how quickly Charlize Theron could probably kick your ass.
dan friesen
She'd probably throw hands.
Yeah, I think she could.
Yeah, so you get this macaroni joke?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, this is the vibe here.
This is a dumb show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm really...
So...
I'm getting the flavor that Alex is trying to tailor himself for this show.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
He's not doing the Alex Jones show.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's allowing himself to be subsumed by this sophomoric, terrible, I guess, funny show?
dan friesen
There is a level of...
Bending the knee.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That Alex is doing, for sure.
jordan holmes
For the time being.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
If you think that that's something that Alex can maintain, you are mistaken.
jordan holmes
A very short period of time.
dan friesen
You wonder why the people that Alex hangs out with, in terms of work...
Folks, are people like Owen Troyer and Harrison Smith.
It's because they're both dorks who are going nowhere.
Like, he could not have coexisted with someone like Paul Joseph Watson if he wasn't, like, someone who clearly...
Doesn't have that much of a weird ego about himself, and he lived in the UK.
jordan holmes
Well, that was my thought.
dan friesen
Paul was super successful, but also was kind of like a...
jordan holmes
He's in the UK!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex would have kicked his ass and fired him if he was in the US, for sure.
jordan holmes
That was what I was thinking whenever it was like, Steven Crowder doesn't live outside of the United States.
If he did, this would be possible.
They can't coexist if they live this close to each other.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
They just butt up against each other and turn into Charlize Theron and Megyn Kelly Part 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's another headline, I guess, or video that they want to play.
It's about a guy who, I guess, wears diapers.
Sure.
This is just ridiculous.
Listen to what the guy is saying behind their mocking, because I think that that's important and something that they're missing the point about.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
gerald morgan
All right, so Alex, look, I'm going to take us into the first little video that we're going to look at here.
I really want to get your thoughts, and I don't think you've even seen this.
unidentified
He didn't see this one yet.
gerald morgan
This works really well.
This is the state of our country, unfortunately, so here is a grown man who I'll let you decide what he identifies as.
unidentified
Being an adult baby is kind of a complicated subject.
I got into it for two reasons.
The first was because I started letting the bed when I was 13, and the diapers were a way to keep it dry.
But I also got into it around the same time even more as a way to cope with the child abuse that was going on.
For me, with the diapers, it just kind of became that safeness.
And it's not sexual.
It's all about just the safeness of being a child again.
alex jones
You know, Gerald, listen, you guys act nice, but you just snuck attack me with this.
You just showed that's actually me before I lost a couple pounds.
dan friesen
I don't, I mean, like, they're having some good joke fun and what have you, but, like, I don't understand how you could hear that and not think, like...
Okay, this is a guy who's describing a way that he coped with being a survivor of childhood abuse.
And, like, what's funny about this?
jordan holmes
I don't know how you don't hear that and go and just empathize and be like, yeah, this is your trauma response.
dan friesen
Knowing nothing else about this person, just what they have presented here.
It's like, okay, he's not hurting anybody with this.
It's something that he clearly is in touch with the aspect of himself that is dealing with this trauma.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And, you know, what's the problem?
Why are you going to mock this guy?
This seems so, like, cruel.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't...
I just don't...
It is so much like I've seen this play out over and over and over and over again with any kind of local news ass, we found a lifestyle that's different from what is considered societally normal, and then these assholes pick it up.
I remember the first time I saw a local news ass story about furries.
Like, oh, people are dressing up and everybody laughing.
Like, oh, that's so stupid.
Like, what are we doing here?
Who cares?
I mean, listen to the person, accept their trauma, their way of coping with it, and be part of it.
dan friesen
That's even what elevates the meanness of the response even further.
It's not just somebody who's like, I think it's fun to dress up like this or whatever.
There is an articulation of their path through this.
That there was a functional reason in terms of wetting the bed and then a dealing with this trauma that he had experienced.
For people who pretend to care so much about children and victimization of children, this is so ridiculously telling.
They're telling on themselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
They don't give a shit at all about this stuff.
jordan holmes
They don't give a fuck about the pain.
They don't give a fuck about the people.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
They just want to use the emotions around that pain in order to direct hatred towards the people that they want hatred directed towards.
jordan holmes
Generally speaking, the people who have experienced the pain that they're exploiting.
dan friesen
Sometimes.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex is really thrilled with the way that they have succeeded in getting people to rumble.
alex jones
You guys are the first, kind of like they had that big race with railroads going to the Pacific.
You guys are the first, or the race to flight, or the race for the atomic bomb.
You guys are the first to actually do it, which means the viewers and listeners are the first by going to Rumble and by going to Mug Club.
This is revolutionary.
This is not just entertainment or fun or promoting freedom.
This is happening right now.
This is the bellwether example.
That's why you've seen all the attacks in the media against Stephen and his family and the crew, which is all complete crap, I can tell you, is because there's...
the right direction.
I'm just honored to be here.
So everybody should go to Mug Club.
Become a subscriber.
Everybody should go to Rumble.
And tell everybody you know, go to Rumble right now and watch us on Rumble.
gerald morgan
You have to watch on Rumble because we won't be on YouTube for very long, but we want to see that thing go down.
There is going to be a celebration here when that Rumble number is way up here and that YouTube number is literally zero.
dan friesen
There's nothing revolutionary about being a popular person who goes to a different platform because you're not welcome anywhere else.
And there's nothing revolutionary about his mug club nonsense.
It's just a subscriber service.
Like, The Blaze has a lot of their shit behind a paywall.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, people do this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're not reinventing the wheel here.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I know when I'm getting a late night pitch.
From somebody, we're going to have to put a clock on this.
These knives are so good.
And I'll tell you what, they're too sharp.
And that's why they don't sell them in stores.
And you need sharp knives.
You need these sharp knives.
dan friesen
What Alex is pitching is how proud he is of them.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm on board.
But the thing is, the success of getting people to rumble, I do think a large part of it is because they have made this unwatchable.
gerald morgan
But we wanted to do something bigger than just go and do a show somewhere.
We wanted to change the landscape of America.
alex jones
And that's what Steve was saying months ago about...
Why do conservatives create new systems that act just like the establishment?
It needs to be Wild Wild West.
gerald morgan
Yeah, we don't want to...
unidentified
...
alex jones
White people, that's not divisive at all.
joe biden
Stand up against the poison of white supremacy as I did my inaugural address.
dan friesen
Is the implication there that all that time Alex was saying something that's not allowed on YouTube?
jordan holmes
I don't know, but this is the first time I've enjoyed Steven Crowder's show.
I'll tell you that right now!
dan friesen
This is absurd.
If you're trying to watch this on YouTube, it's so funny.
I can't stress enough that the presentation is These things are here because YouTube won't let us talk about the things that we want to talk about.
jordan holmes
Do you still see them, like, moving their mouths?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You get a cut to, like, let's all go to the lobby?
Yes.
That's great.
That makes this show finally funny!
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because there's a real...
I mean, one, because they're doing it for the wrong reason, which is hilarious.
dan friesen
But it's a self-serving reason.
Totally.
The reason is sort of brand...
It's branding-based.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Pointless and stupid, which makes it funny.
dan friesen
So what you see on the screen is a shot of sort of blurry Stephen Crowder's neon in the background, a little fire, and a mug that says Louder with Crowder.
And it says, this show is not safe for YouTube.
We're still live on Rumble.
Go there now.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the implication is almost that they've had to hit the...
The button.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The five-second red button.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, Janet Jackson all over again.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's so dope.
jordan holmes
It is, but they're not funny.
They're not interesting.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They're not sharing anything.
So it's almost an avant-garde, like, French play.
This is Waiting for Godot.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
I don't remember where it is, and I think it's maybe gone now, but like...
Oh, yeah, here it is.
Okay, so in the YouTube comments, I'm laughing at the fact that Alex was censored within three seconds.
I'm going over to rumble.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Plant.
Plant!
dan friesen
Well, even if it is, I hope it's a plan.
I hope it's a plan, because if someone can't see what they're doing...
jordan holmes
You got hoodwinked, boy!
dan friesen
It's unlistenable.
alex jones
Just last week, the Attorney General came out with a new rule saying no crime statistics can be used by the FBI.
Well, how do you put agents in areas if you don't know where the crime...
It's like if you're fishing, you've got sonar to see where the fish are.
So they're saying, oh, well, we're not even going to look at where crime's at.
jordan holmes
I mean, you've got to change up the music.
dan friesen
No, you don't.
jordan holmes
You're just on hold.
I would have gone with some Stan Getz.
dan friesen
No, they don't want to pay anything.
It's stock elevator music.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one thing that you can really tell is that it seems like Alex may be also having a little apple juice.
jordan holmes
He's having a good time.
dan friesen
No, drinking.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Maybe drinking a little.
jordan holmes
This is before his show?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just double checking.
alex jones
Wow, I'm going to have me some whiskey right now.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Oh, gosh.
This is actually happening.
gerald morgan
That's why you needed the extension for your headset.
unidentified
I...
I...
This is a...
jordan holmes
Are they going to play the girl from Ipanema next?
What is happening?
alex jones
Now hold on.
Hi, my name is Alex Jones.
My name is Yosemite.
I'm going to stop.
jordan holmes
Boo!
gerald morgan
No, no, no, you're fine.
You said something that I thought was interesting, right?
So the FBI is not allowed to use statistics anymore.
By the way, make a line on that.
Somebody bring a Sharpie in.
We're making a line so Alex can track his consumption.
alex jones
Folks, everybody knows I'm fake.
This is not real whiskey.
This is sugar water.
gerald morgan
It's real.
It's real.
alex jones
No, it's fake.
I never drink.
gerald morgan
Can we gaff the label, too?
dan friesen
Gotta gaff that label.
Can't have brand names.
jordan holmes
I don't like feeling...
dan friesen
So yeah, he has a big bottle of wild turkey.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like feeling bad for the adult...
Monster who turned into the kid who eats worms for people's approval.
Because that's the vibe I'm getting from this little...
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Do it.
Do it, man.
No, no.
unidentified
Do it.
jordan holmes
Do it.
I don't know if I want to...
No, do it.
You're going to love it.
All right.
I want to be friends.
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that...
You're underestimating how much Alex wants to eat worms.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
jordan holmes
That is a fair point.
dan friesen
I think he maybe will go through some difficulties if he doesn't eat worms early enough in the day.
jordan holmes
Oh, but he eats so many goddamn worms.
dan friesen
Yeah, he totally doesn't drink, though.
peter brimelow
No, no, no.
dan friesen
So, I just thought this clip was stupid.
gerald morgan
It's time for spinach, guys.
This is not the ice cream hour where we're telling you, like, I'm strong to the finish because I eat the spinach.
dan friesen
So real quick, the co-host is talking about how, like, you know, all the things that the left want, it's all like, oh, ice cream, you know, but sometimes you need some good hard spinach, some disappointing stuff.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
Can't argue with that.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
I'm Steven Crowder, the sailor man.
gerald morgan
Are you trying to work that in?
Well, look, somebody else who ate their spinach, Megyn Kelly came to play in this next story with Charlize Theron.
alex jones
By the way, I'm dating Megyn Kelly.
gerald morgan
Are you really?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
It's a joke, folks.
gerald morgan
I don't know that that's 100% true, Alex.
alex jones
I think that's satire.
jordan holmes
She's a babe.
alex jones
Joke alert.
gerald morgan
Do we have to do that with you?
unidentified
We do.
gerald morgan
You have a dry sense of humor, Alex.
I love it.
dan friesen
I think he has a wet sense of humor in that he's drunk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a drunk man.
Even if he's not drunk, you kind of got to be drunk to think this shit's funny.
jordan holmes
Yikes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Opposite of wet.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think I could listen to this in a dry county.
I'll say that right now.
dan friesen
Now, I'm Dating Megan Kelly has been a joke that he's been telling at least for the last five years.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, it's been a long time.
dan friesen
Well, the secret of 2017 had to do with Megan Kelly.
And that was around when she came and...
Did that interview with him.
jordan holmes
Did the interview, yep.
unidentified
That he had all the secret tapes of that he was going to release.
dan friesen
He didn't because his sister called him and disrupted the recording.
jordan holmes
Hey, I mean, what are you going to do?
His sister called him!
dan friesen
But then he still pretended that he had all those tapes for quite a while.
jordan holmes
For quite some time.
dan friesen
And then...
jordan holmes
Then the truth came out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And then he started doing that joke, and I guess it's still funny.
jordan holmes
I mean, apparently...
It's still good.
unidentified
Apparently...
jordan holmes
Was any of your 80s trivia night...
About Michael Myers' early career and how Wayne's world was going to last forever.
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you meant Michael Myers the murderer.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His early murders.
Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So, look, they just censor a lot.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
alex jones
I had a crew member go to two CVS's.
One of them in Austin has it.
And we're going to be showing that later today.
gerald morgan
Unbelievable.
alex jones
So I saw the video and I was like, wait a minute.
I saw it, but I was busy and had to go.
I was like, why are...
It was so surreal.
There's a bunch of sex toys, vibrators, dildos, and it's a kid's aisle.
dan friesen
What did he say in that stretch of time that was censored, but they kept vibrators and dildos in?
Yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
It was censored for like half a second.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
No, that's absurd.
Now they're just fucking with you.
dan friesen
I almost wonder, because I don't watch enough of his dumb show, so I almost wonder if that in and of itself is a joke.
That they constantly censor.
jordan holmes
That they censor stuff that doesn't need to be censored in a way that's...
Maybe.
dan friesen
I wonder if it is, but at least that YouTube commenter certainly didn't feel so.
And the way it's presented definitely is...
The implication is that it's not a joke.
jordan holmes
And it is specifically Alex, right?
No?
dan friesen
I think they do that, but maybe less.
Maybe not as frequently on other shows.
I've seen...
A couple episodes of Crowder, but definitely the last one that I watched did not have this much.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I think that might be just like a, maybe a thing, because okay, we got Alex here, of course they're going to censor.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But if every episode is like this, then it is just a trying to tank the ship and go to Rumble.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're just fucking with people.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, what would you do if you wanted to try and force migrate your audience?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like a lot of people would rather watch shit on YouTube, because they're used to it.
It's a better platform in general.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's more functionality to it.
jordan holmes
And you can't just stop broadcasting on YouTube without losing all of the people who aren't going to make that second click.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You have to get them watching the show, repeat that you have to leave YouTube over and over and over again.
dan friesen
And make the experience of watching it on YouTube unpleasant.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And then hopefully you'll get some migration along that line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, apparently they have a psychologist online.
dan friesen
I mean, it's pretty simple, I guess.
So yeah, they have a mentality, I guess, at Louder with Crowder.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
As expressed by the co-host slash CEO.
And that is that they hold people's feet to the fire, right?
In what sense?
Elon Musk doing great things for free speech.
jordan holmes
And how so?
dan friesen
But he also is hiring somebody who's connected to the World Economic Forum to be the CEO of Twitter.
jordan holmes
So then you...
dan friesen
Boo.
But he does good things, but also he does bad things.
And they are not going to fall into the trap of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
That is how hero worship works.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
There are no heroes.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
That sounds right.
gerald morgan
Donald Trump said to Mike Pence at the meeting, well, Mike, I think we should take the guns first and then we'll figure out the mental health issue later.
We're like, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
You don't take guns first.
Guns first is not the way that you handle Second Amendment issues.
And we held Trump's feet to the fire.
When he came out and basically said that he was laughing at some of the people who lost in the midterms, we were like, that doesn't seem like that's the most helpful thing.
alex jones
No, that's the thing.
Trump is kind of Asperger-ish.
I think Trump is autistic.
We'll say, well, he's super smart.
He's super smart.
Yeah, he's super smart in ways.
I think he means well for us.
But he's like, well, just take the mentally ill guns.
It's simple.
gerald morgan
Oh, right, exactly.
alex jones
But you can't, because they'll define everybody as mentally ill.
gerald morgan
Right, exactly.
And so we hold his feet to the fire, just like we're going to hold Elon's.
alex jones
Exactly.
When Musk does good, we're going to say good job.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
When he does bad, we're going to cry foul.
gerald morgan
Nobody's a messiah.
There is no messiah figure that we should be looking for on the right.
We should never hope for that person because they don't exist.
And if they do exist, they're going to exist as a messiah for a little while, and then the next guy, or maybe the next year for that same guy, is going to be bad.
So that's never how we operate.
dan friesen
Smash cut to Alex.
jordan holmes
I mean, like...
dan friesen
Doing all kinds of hero shit about Trump.
jordan holmes
I have listened to these people deify a sitting asshole for so long.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
And the other thing, too...
I was listening to that.
I was thinking, like, you know, you don't do this.
But I think that if you did, you know, that's a good way to, like, approach these public figures.
peter brimelow
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, recognizing that people aren't all good or all bad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that, like, yeah, there are criticizable acts even among people that you like, and there are laudable acts among people you hate.
peter brimelow
Sure.
dan friesen
That's fine.
Why don't you do that with anybody on the left?
Because everybody on the left is just all evil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're all evil.
dan friesen
There's never something that AOC does that they're like, you know what?
We're going to hold her feet to the fire when she does bad, but also we can't help but say this is a good thing.
Has Soros ever done anything that was commendable?
No.
jordan holmes
Never.
dan friesen
They are all evil when they're on the other side.
jordan holmes
Well, they're not people, they're demons.
dan friesen
Right.
But that's not the way that this branding goes.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
This we look at things nuanced.
There's good and bad.
There's no Messiah coming on the right.
Okay, fine.
There's no Antichrist on the left either, ding dong.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
End of sentence.
dan friesen
It doesn't, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, until...
You don't hold anybody's feet to the fire unless there are consequences for the things that you say are bad.
I mean, consequences are not, hey, you did that bad, but anything else that you do, and including this, I'm going to let pass without anything other than saying a tut tut.
dan friesen
Right, and when you hold feet to the fire, there should be a fire instead of an imaginary fire.
jordan holmes
You need a fire there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's not.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So there is this subservience in Alex a little bit, and that is going along with the way that the co-host wants to run the show and present the topics.
Alex is kind of not like a second wheel, but he's along for it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's his training.
It's his first time on the job.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
He's shadowing.
dan friesen
And so I didn't think that was too weird, but this blew my mind.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Alex did a pre-prepared bit.
gerald morgan
Yeah, look at all those women and children.
That seemed like a room full of military-aged males to me.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
Let's talk to one of our correspondents at the border right now.
gerald morgan
Yeah, absolutely.
alex jones
All right, we've got Miguel on the line.
Thanks for taking some time, Miguel.
Can you give us some insight on what it's like at the border right now?
No, no.
I don't speak Spanish.
I mean, I know a little Brevarian enough to get around town at least.
But that's besides the point.
Though I would really like to know what it's like down there right now.
unidentified
Habla Espanol?
alex jones
No, I told you I don't speak Spanish.
Solamente English.
unidentified
Habla Espanol?
alex jones
For the love of God, I said I don't speak.
How the hell did you get...
Anyways, that's what I really like to know.
How the hell did you get through to the producer and to the pre-interview screening and jump through all the hoops to get on here?
dan friesen
How?
alex jones
Tell me.
I really like to know now!
unidentified
What the f***?
gerald morgan
Wow.
alex jones
Excuse me, guys.
dan friesen
Wow.
That one minute...
Pre-scripted bits that they recorded in advance is more preparation than Alex does for his own show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
That's a shocking level of work they got out of him.
jordan holmes
That is a full minute.
A full minute where he had to read lines.
Yes.
He couldn't...
Dude, no, no.
dan friesen
That delivery was so organic.
jordan holmes
Oh, so organic.
Those were his words.
You know, sometimes when a writer gives you something, you have to be like, hey, listen, I gotta make this mine.
I think your words are good, but I gotta add my spin on it.
dan friesen
Alex was true to the page.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wowzers.
dan friesen
If I were maybe the producer who was doing this bit...
I might be like, Alex, let's try it one more time.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
A little more natural.
jordan holmes
Anything...
dan friesen
You're getting out...
The person on the phone who just says habla espanol is running circles around you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
In terms of acting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get it together, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was...
Honestly, the thing that surprised me the most was that Alex wasn't also providing a very racist accent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was shocked.
I was waiting for fentanyl to come out.
I was shocked.
dan friesen
Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised.
jordan holmes
No, that's what blew me away.
dan friesen
I guess I wasn't thinking about that because I was too surprised that he did something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that, I can't...
Wow.
jordan holmes
I mean...
Wow.
dan friesen
That's degrading.
jordan holmes
There's just so many reasons that that bit doesn't work that are...
Pure and simple writing challenges that are very easy to punch up.
If you're going to have the pause on the final habla espanol, you don't say habla espanol.
That's when he comes with...
dan friesen
Parlez-vous français?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Absolutely.
He comes with the twist.
You've got to zag whenever people think you're going to zig.
And they just kept going with the same bit.
The bit was, I mean, ostensibly, the bit that they presented is Alex getting angry.
That is not a bit!
dan friesen
No, it's kind of exactly what would happen, probably.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
But also, if you wanted to make this more of a real bit, you would have the person say something other than habla espanol, because basically after the first time he says it, you get the answer.
That person doesn't speak Spanish, so maybe you'd say something else in Spanish.
It's very inorganic, and then Alex's line deliveries were wooden.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
Brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But he did it!
jordan holmes
For a guy famous for yelling, doesn't know how to get his way to that spirit in the page.
dan friesen
But he was one of the most sought-after voice actors until Obama ruined his career.
jordan holmes
Oh man, not just that, but Guardians of the Galaxy?
dan friesen
Yeah, he's gonna be Star-Lord.
jordan holmes
He's gonna be Star-Lord!
With those kind of line reads!
I can imagine!
I want to watch the audition tape now!
That's what I want more than anything else!
dan friesen
Come over here, Rocket Raccoon!
jordan holmes
Drax, it's weird you say obvious things.
dan friesen
Are you, Groot?
unidentified
I can't pronounce Gamera.
dan friesen
Something or other about Yondu.
jordan holmes
See, that's a five-joke bit.
That's the way it works.
dan friesen
So Alex has some video that he's brought along also for them to enjoy, and I think this one's cheating.
alex jones
And so one of, this is actually one of our security guys, is an Army veteran, a great patriot.
And he was in the Texas National Guard after he did his service in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So the full clip's in band-out video.
But one of our reporters also caught a veteran confronting Texas National Guardsman for ignoring Governor Abbott.
We'll play the clip and I'll break down why this is so important.
dan friesen
Your employee didn't capture a veteran confronting.
One of your security guards confronting the Border Patrol.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're describing the security guard and just pretending it's the veteran who's confronted.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Like he wouldn't have been there if he weren't the security guard.
dan friesen
If he wasn't on payroll.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
One of our employees confronts a guy I told to confront Border Patrol.
dan friesen
Who happens to be a veteran.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And might have been Blackwater.
Might have been a Blackwater veteran.
jordan holmes
Listen, I chose a guy who committed war crimes because that's what War Hero is.
dan friesen
Actually, I'm not sure.
I know that at least some of his security was Blackwater, but I'm not sure if this specific one was.
So I don't want to make too broad a statement.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
So one of the things that I've noticed when I've watched Stephen Crowder before is this obsession with saying that everything is documented.
All the stuff that he talks about, they've got all the sources, everything is documented, and then they just let Alex just make shit up.
alex jones
Trump's grand total for border encounters was only 2.4 million.
gerald morgan
Over four years, right?
And just over two years into his presidency, 5 million.
alex jones
And remember, the majority are never even being encountered.
gerald morgan
So multiply that number by what, 5?
jordan holmes
25 million.
alex jones
Border Patrol told us it's worse.
We were told by senior people, they said last year 8 million came across Texas alone.
gerald morgan
Dang.
alex jones
8 million.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
gerald morgan
That's insane.
jordan holmes
So many.
gerald morgan
By the numbers they're giving us right now, it's about, I don't know, 1.4, 1.5 million.
jordan holmes
Oh, so completely different numbers than what Alex just made up?
alex jones
By the way, strike me out if I'm lying.
I have been in meetings with, there's only one layer under my org.
So I've been in Zoom meetings with...
Like, federal officials you see on TV, but off record.
And, like, FBI and federal marshals, and they're like, here's the documents, and here's our court documents, and no one will pick it up.
We gave it to Fox.
We come to you now, son.
dan friesen
That's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you can't allow Alex to just make up multipliers to add to things and then you just go along with it.
If those are your instincts in studio, then I don't know if I trust how interested in documentation you are.
This is trash.
Trash work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's five million in two years.
Well, they're obviously lying about that.
You gotta multiply that by a factor of five.
And that puts you at 25 million.
And 25 million seems low.
That's only 10% of the current population.
dan friesen
You gotta consider that's probably only a third.
jordan holmes
You gotta multiply that by...
75 million.
Yeah, absolutely.
I would say at this point, most of the country is illegal.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no other conclusion to come to.
dan friesen
Whoa!
Actually, we're going to get to some thoughts about that later, a little bit that I had, that maybe we are all illegal.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
If anybody is illegal, then maybe almost everybody is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, obviously.
dan friesen
So I kind of was wrestling with that a little bit for reasons that will become clear once we get to segment polka dot.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here of Stephen's show, and...
This is Alex telling a version of his story where he went to the border and got mad at somebody who was trying to drive away from a Catholic charity.
Do you remember that?
jordan holmes
Yes, I do.
Yeah, I recall that.
dan friesen
Seatbelt snitch.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
And so here's the version of Alex tells on the show.
It's just, this story has grown.
jordan holmes
Is it not about seatbelts?
alex jones
We were there like two years ago.
And they're loading like four or five kids in a hatchback of a car.
And there's nobody even with them, not their moms.
And there's a taxi driver.
We're talking like four, five, six, seven-year-old kids.
And I go over and I go, that's illegal having the car.
So I stop the car.
The police come.
unidentified
He doesn't have a seatbelt.
alex jones
He doesn't have a seatbelt.
And then a dude comes out of the migrant center, this big, tall, white, crazy-looking dude who I'd cast for really bad stuff in a movie.
And he goes, I'm here to teach the way of the Lord.
I'm here to get the little girls.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
And we had an undercover cop inside there.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
And she came out and said, no, the dude's in there being promised that tonight he's going to load six kids.
dan friesen
Wow.
This has grown, and now is a story out of...
Season one of True Detective or something?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucking CSI.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I'm going to teach them the way of the Lord.
jordan holmes
I'm really going to go back and try and put myself in the headspace.
If I recall correctly...
dan friesen
They don't have a seatbelt.
jordan holmes
He was mad that they were not wearing seatbelts because he could not say that anything else was happening conclusively.
It was just that he could say concretely, Sir...
There is no seatbelt on this person.
dan friesen
That was the most specific infraction I remember there being.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a little bit like if your grandpa caught a medium-sized trout.
It was a solid trout.
It was enjoyable.
Everybody had some to eat.
alex jones
I caught a shark.
jordan holmes
And then two years later was like, yeah, so I made love to a mermaid.
And she gave me a bounty of 7,000 foot long feet.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Foot long feet?
jordan holmes
Foot long feet.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think you get a flavor of what Alex on Steven Crowder is like.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I have a few.
Here's the questions that I had whenever it was like, why is he doing this?
So I've got first...
Equipment.
Is he really just...
If he's broadcasting his show from Steven Crowder's shit, it sounds better than what he's doing with his place.
dan friesen
Well, no.
I mean, probably it's more of a competent team.
But Alex only does his own show for the first two hours, and then Owen does the third hour.
So, like, the equipment's still fine, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, just audio quality.
Like, when we listen to Stripes, I suspect...
It will be slightly...
dan friesen
I don't remember which is which.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it's polka dot.
But yeah, I think the audio is better.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
If it is, I don't think it's that big of a deciding factor.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
dan friesen
And you have to consider that a lot of the audio that we end up using is through the GCN feed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So some of that may be just the way the sound goes out to radio stations as opposed to the sound on Alex's own website.
That might be better.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Because it's direct.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I didn't consider that.
The next thought I have, money he can hide.
Is there some backwards-ass deal where he can get something that is not on the books?
That is fucking...
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I mean, there would be a...
It would be outside of InfoWars if he were to have a show on Steven Crowder's network or something like that.
Because in the Mug Club, they have, like, a Nick DiPaolo has a show or something, and, like...
So, like, there is...
jordan holmes
How far the mighty have fallen.
dan friesen
Mighty?
There is a conceivable world where you could see...
Alex having a show on Crowder in order to get some kind of a revenue.
But I don't think it would be that much.
Right.
You'd be required to hide money.
Yeah.
or like launder something through there in order to make that a profitable venture.
He'd make something, but I don't think it would be Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then, I mean, the only other explanation I have is to try and take over as much of an audience as he can get.
dan friesen
That's more what I think.
Because Steven has a much bigger audience.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
In terms of, certainly, numbers that you can see.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he also has an audience that's clearly impressionable, if they think this shit's funny.
jordan holmes
Demographic is much younger than...
dan friesen
Much younger.
Yep.
And...
And I could see that.
And, see, I think that people who are a little bit older recognize some of the more toxic things about Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Some people who are adults in the time of the tea party and stuff and lived through a lot of that maybe have more of an understanding of Alex and wouldn't be as susceptible to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas, you know...
jordan holmes
Impressionable youths.
That's where you gotta go.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of things that he says that seem edgy and verboten and what have you, and maybe you think that that's a cool thing to be drawn to.
So yeah, I think the most likely explanation is that Alex sees a fertile ground of people that he could take.
And I don't think for a second that he means what he's saying about Rumble, because InfoWars has a Rumble channel and they don't really use it.
They barely use it at all.
jordan holmes
He doesn't give a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, they, like...
If he cared really about that platform being something that was like the space race or something, he would be far more invested in it.
Their channel is not well used.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no way he's saying all of that and he's like, oh, I would totally use Rumble if...
Band.video weren't so fucking successful, you know?
dan friesen
I think maybe that is part of it, though, too, is that he's already pot-committed with Band.video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think there is mostly a desire to lure whatever audience over you can, and I think that's part of why he plays along with the skit, plays along with everything that's going on.
Sure.
You want to fit in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's trying to play the game.
If this is what the young people like, you go to where the young people like to be.
If it's unfortunate that they like Steven Crowder...
dan friesen
I forgot to mention, Alex is wearing a backwards hat.
He's not.
jordan holmes
Okay, thank God.
I don't know if I can handle that.
I don't know if I can handle the Dungeons and Dragons fucking we're gonna be super cool rebrand.
I can't handle that.
dan friesen
Hey, I'm Xander Jones.
I'm 23 years old.
jordan holmes
I think I can't do it.
I just can't do it.
Fellow youths.
dan friesen
I like to kickflip.
jordan holmes
I'm rad.
dan friesen
I wasn't even alive on 9-11.
What are you talking about?
So, Alex does his show.
From Crowder's studio.
And for the first bit of it, Stephen Crowder's co-host, co-hosting with Alex.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Which is so weird.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
Well, my friends, it's Monday, May 15th, 2023, and I am in the incredible studios, an undisclosed location in Russia.
Vladimir Putin's show.
No, I'm sorry, Steven Crowder.
I'm joking.
We're in Texas.
We love you.
We have Gerald Morgan, the CEO of Vladimir Crowder, totally kicking ass, dominating Rumble, dominating the numbers, leading the exodus out of big tech control.
I was asking Gerald, so I just co-hosted with him while Steven is dealing with a red tide problem.
I just hosted with him for two hours.
It was great, super fun, knocked out of the park, covered a lot of serious issues.
I said, what do you want to cover first?
And I was literally sitting here looking at my page, and he said, well, we should probably get into Biden and the whole declaring white people are black people's biggest enemy problem, how that deals with the border.
dan friesen
Wow, okay, I guess.
jordan holmes
I mean, wait.
The whole Biden declaring white people are the biggest enemy of black people problem?
dan friesen
I mean, that's a problem.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I think that probably would be a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, he declared war on corn pop.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess it is what it is.
dan friesen
No, there wasn't quite so much what happened.
jordan holmes
And also, I understand that they don't like the sentiment and the way that it's phrased coming from Biden, but shouldn't they welcome that declaration?
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Isn't that kind of their vibe?
unidentified
That white people are the biggest enemy of everybody else?
dan friesen
Well, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In one direction.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
But I mean...
dan friesen
Everyone else...
Views white people as their enemy, not the other way around.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is the way that Alex and the white victimhood persecution complex works.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, at the end of the day, that makes them...
dan friesen
So really what happened is that Biden went to Howard University, which is a historically black university.
jordan holmes
Yeah, HBCU.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he gave a commencement speech that had included in, among many other statements, that white supremacy is one of...
The Great Threats.
jordan holmes
Oh, so he didn't come out and say, kill Whitey.
dan friesen
He didn't.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
Well, maybe next time.
dan friesen
So here's their complaining about that.
gerald morgan
Just encourage people.
They just got their degree.
They don't want to go and hear a political speech.
unidentified
Just encourage people.
gerald morgan
They want to know how they can go out and charge into an economy that is...
alex jones
They want to hear how they're part of the American dream and how they've been successful.
gerald morgan
Right.
alex jones
How they've done a good job.
Not, you're victims and I'm going to protect you.
But that's all they've got.
If you're for the globalism, you're good.
If you're against open borders, you're against fentanyl, you're against all these wars, you're against all the woke culture, you're a white supremacist.
Remember, Biden made that his main national security focus in June of 2021 was, quote, white supremacy.
He then described white supremacists, people that question elections, question lockdowns, question forced shots.
Right, exactly.
jordan holmes
Right at that same time.
dan friesen
False flag-ass Patriot Front.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Patriot Front.
That's definitely not an established white nationalist group.
dan friesen
No, that's an FBI front.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's an FBI.
unidentified
Fake.
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So yeah, the thing that Alex is doing this classic misrepresentation about is that it wasn't that people who question the election or have vaccine concerns, that they are white supremacists.
It's that groups, including white supremacists, see fertile radicalization grounds within these movements.
And that is true.
And I know that Alex doesn't want to believe that because he likes that.
Fertile radicalization crown being there.
But yeah, so he presents it as like, anybody who questions the election is a white supremacist according to Biden.
Go fuck yourself.
It's so elementary that it's almost frustrating to even butt up against.
jordan holmes
He's doing one of the great signs of somebody you shouldn't trust, which is if any topic comes up...
That you have to defend so breathlessly for such a period of time, you're doing it wrong.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
I can't trust you.
dan friesen
Yeah, you very well might actually be trying to defend white supremacists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds like you're doing it breathlessly, aggressively, and very totally.
dan friesen
Oh, and also it's so weird how all these white supremacist, white nationalist groups are all fake, but then fake left-wing groups are real.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Oh.
peter brimelow
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, they start complaining about migrants and folks not having to get the COVID vaccine and what have you.
jordan holmes
All 172 million.
dan friesen
Oh, it's gone up.
jordan holmes
So many.
dan friesen
But you've got to assume that's only like a third of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
gerald morgan
Can you believe that?
People that they're letting run the streets basically just ship them somewhere, let them run around.
They don't have to have the COVID yet.
Nobody should have to have it, by the way.
But if you're really going to make somebody have it to be illegal immigrants.
Not the people who are coming in legally, not the people who are volunteering and checking the box and signing the guest book and saying, hey, I'd like to come here and do something good for this country.
Those guys should be exempt if anybody is.
peter brimelow
I'm sorry.
gerald morgan
They're just really pissed off.
alex jones
No, you're right.
Not gay Gerald is making some good points.
gerald morgan
Oh, come on!
alex jones
No, not gay Alex.
gerald morgan
That guy was going off on me right now.
alex jones
It's a joke.
Not gay Alex has asked the question.
If you're not a regular Crowder here, you don't get the joke.
It's nothing to do with Gerald.
It's a joke.
Everybody knows it's me that's gay.
Robert Barnes is coming up next segment, competition lawyer to cover the waterfront on everything that's happening.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I found myself missing the elevator music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
I'm telling you, that made the show.
dan friesen
I was just expecting the elevator music to come in at some point.
Like, oh, goddammit.
jordan holmes
That is what makes Louder with Crowder bearable, is the elevator music that they think is going to get me somewhere else.
dan friesen
Ironically, it improves the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, way, yeah.
dan friesen
So that joke that they made was about Crowder's It was a fun joke about how he wasn't gay.
I guess.
So Jared left the show in 2018 and there's not really a good answer as to why he left.
However, a lot of former employees of Crowder have come out lately and talked about how he has a bullying and abusive workplace environment that may have contributed to Jared's departure.
One such employee told the New York Post that Crowder exposed himself multiple times to Jared at work and another of Crowder's ex-employees and current Nazi, Owen Benjamin, has said that Crowder was miserable to work for and wasn't good about paying the staff.
Garrett appears to be a soft target for someone like Alex or Steven's current co-host to poke fun at because he's not one of the named former staffers who's coming out against Steven.
So there's probably less blowback they have to worry about because it's clear that at this point it seems like he's respecting whatever actual or sort of respect-based NDA or whatever.
He doesn't want to talk shit or whatever.
And so he's someone you can easily talk shit about.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that's what the joke is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not gay Gerald.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
That's great.
I really thought those were behind us.
You know?
I really did.
What was it?
In the late thousands?
That time whenever everybody was saying no homo all the time?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's basically that.
jordan holmes
But as a nickname.
But didn't we all realize that that's actually really fucked up to do and we shouldn't have been doing that and I can't believe we did and everybody allowed us to do it?
Fuck us!
dan friesen
I think a lot of people had the experience that you're talking about and then a lot of people like Crowder decided...
jordan holmes
That's the way I live my life forever!
dan friesen
Still funny!
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And so they kind of hit this joke.
jordan holmes
Wayne's World references and yeah, great.
dan friesen
They hit this joke a little hard.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
We've got six minutes left with Gerald Morgan.
Gerald, I can ask a lot of questions, but in the time we've got...
dan friesen
No, I'm not gay.
gerald morgan
Well, you said you could ask a lot.
I just wanted to take that off the table.
alex jones
It's an old joke.
gerald morgan
It's an old joke that's been made new.
alex jones
Absolutely.
dan friesen
These guys have a dry sense of humor.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I don't understand humor anymore.
dan friesen
This isn't it.
jordan holmes
I know.
Here's the thing.
When we were doing stand-up, I understood.
You know, it made sense.
I was going up.
And I had instant reaction, this was funny, this was not.
Now I'm here, and I'm listening to this, and I'm hearing that you're telling me people, millions of people, laugh at this shit, and now I don't know anything, man.
I don't know anything.
dan friesen
Well, we only assume that lots of people laugh at this.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
That might be a hasty assumption on our part.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
Maybe they tolerate it.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they like some of the hate.
jordan holmes
Because they like the white nationalism.
They're like, fine, we'll pretend you're funny.
dan friesen
Look, everyone...
It calls everybody a white supremacist.
You know, like, it's...
Alex has had enough of it.
It's all very tired.
jordan holmes
No, it's old hat.
dan friesen
Yes, very much so.
alex jones
All right, so, welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, hosting live receiver from Crowder's Texas undisclosed location.
unidentified
Owen Troyer riding shotgun with a special guest, supporter expert.
alex jones
Next segment.
Owen, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Biden for two and a half years is the number one threat to white supremacist, despite the fact none of the evidence is showing that.
And now, if we don't like open borders, we're white supremacists.
I'm really concerned about a false flag.
dan friesen
Yeah, a false flag from these fake groups.
jordan holmes
Totally concerned about a false flag.
dan friesen
So yeah, you've got a special guest coming up, though.
You heard that?
Very exciting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not Robert Barnes.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
We're skipping past him.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
I don't care.
I saw he was on.
jordan holmes
Good.
Fast forward.
We don't need media star Bobby Barnes no more.
dan friesen
No.
Look, I had a lot to go through with preparing this episode.
I had to listen to Alex and Steven Crowder's shows within the same day.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
It's a lot to go through, so I didn't need to throw Barnes into the pile.
jordan holmes
You don't need to add Barnes onto that, yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like, now I might be wrong, but I feel like at this point in my career, I've heard about everything I need Barnes to say.
jordan holmes
Don't you want two adjectives all the time right next to each other?
dan friesen
We're cooking and looking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Can't we just...
Do you just rhyme things all day, every day?
dan friesen
This is...
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Potatoes and potatoes.
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
I don't know that one.
dan friesen
So, yeah, he has a special guest.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And given all the complaining about how everybody calls everyone a white nationalist...
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Real surprising with who this guest is.
unidentified
All right, we have the editor, Peter Brimlove of vdare.com.
alex jones
He's been a major journalist and commentator and writer at MarketWatch, Forbes, Horses and Magazine, Barron's Financial Post.
It goes on and on.
He ends up V-Dare exposing the design collapse of our border.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Peter Brimlow.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was a writer at a lot of those places.
Was.
Was.
Until a certain career shift.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he started hosting this white nationalist.
Smorgasbord of a website.
jordan holmes
Well, V-Dare, some may say that it's white nationalist because it is.
dan friesen
After all that shit, all that time where Alex was whining about people calling him a white supremacist and rambling about how white supremacy isn't a real problem, this is who he has on as a guest.
He has noted white nationalist Peter Brimlow, the head of one of the most celebrated publications among white supremacists, V-Dare.
That's a very good illustration of irony.
V-Dare is named after Virginia Dare, who's said to be the first British child born in what is now the United States.
She was born in the Roanoke colony in 1587, and if you know your early colonial history, you'll know that this colony straight up disappeared.
Kroatoa.
unidentified
No one knows what happened to it, and there's no concrete evidence to support any of the theories surrounding its fate.
dan friesen
However, one of the prominent theories is that the local Chesapeake tribe, I believe, no, that's not right.
It was another tribe.
I apologize, I got that wrong.
Yeah, yeah.
But one of the prominent theories is that they were killed.
by one of these tribes, which is part of the basis for why Virginia Dare has become an important signifier among white nationalist and white supremacist groups.
You can see why this image has resonance for that kind of community, what with their obsession of their own persecution for being white.
Sure.
unidentified
To be clear, there is another version of memorializing Virginia that does happen among non-white nationalists, as she's kind of a symbol of new beginnings and the possibilities that began with the first child born in the colonies, but it's important to understand that this is not the legacy that V-Dare celebrates.
dan friesen
They are definitely in the whiteness business.
Yeah.
quote, I picked the name because I wanted to focus attention on the very specific cultural origins of America at a time when mass non-traditional immigration is threatening to swamp it.
I have to say that I was a little surprised by this booking, particularly given the earlier tone of the episode, but it's not that much of a shock.
The rest of the episode, honestly, is predictably Alex and Brimlow exchanging what amounts to white genocide fears about immigration.
jordan holmes
Back and forth.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
More or less.
So we've got that to enjoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think that one's a good one to memorialize too much.
I think just let that one go.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, ah, boy.
dan friesen
I agree with you in the way that V-Dare memorializes her.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But I do think that there is, like, kind of some aspects of the mystery that surrounds everything about the Roanoke colony, honestly.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And her as a young child who, like, I don't know, there's almost a...
Peter Pan-ish quality to, like, I mean, it's obviously not the true story.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But, like, the idea that she grew up in the untouched woods.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
There's something that you can understand resonating with people on a non-hateful, let's get rid of all non-white immigrants.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I can understand that.
I can understand that, but to me, like, there's a certain part of me that can't help but be like...
I don't know if people celebrate the first white child born in Johannesburg.
Maybe we let that one go.
dan friesen
I can understand there's a fraught situation.
The only reason I'm even giving any voice to this is because when I was looking into it, there's a lot of folks that don't seem to have any hateful intent that still look upon Virginia Dare as an interesting figure.
jordan holmes
For sure.
And contextless.
It is still a wonderful symbol.
It is still a metaphor.
It's still a great symbol of that hope of, like, we have left a place of persecution.
I get that.
That's cool.
dan friesen
And it's not that for them.
You know, it's the same thing with...
It has elements of John Birch in the John Birch Society.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The first person who was killed in the Cold War.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Taking on this as mythologizing and creating this idea that serves your political purposes as opposed to what the person was.
And I think it's fairly similar.
But I think that there's some people who probably would remember John Birch as...
jordan holmes
Oh, totally!
dan friesen
I mean, I don't...
You know, he's a missionary.
Some people probably had some positive feelings about him.
It isn't about anti-communism and absurd.
Conspiracy nonsense.
jordan holmes
What I find so disingenuous about this, and what drives me mad that it is so easy to see through and is still not seen through, is they're clearly martyr hunting.
They're going and purposely finding people that they can use as martyrs.
They are not allowing martyrs to be symbols.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
So, Brimlow has some ideas about what he wants to see in the world, or at least in the U.S., and how it should change.
alex jones
Is there time to turn it back?
How is this being received?
I mean, it does seem like it's waking people up right now, but is it a day late and a dollar short?
peter brimelow
No, there's a lot of stuff that could be done.
I think the most critical thing that could be done right now is abolishing birthright citizenship, because all of these people who are going to come in are coming in now.
If they have kids here, those kids are American citizens.
As a practical matter, they can't be deported.
So that should be done immediately.
And then, of course, they should do massive deportations.
There was a huge, huge deportation campaign in the early 50s when there was an illegal immigration crisis.
unidentified
It wasn't nowhere near as bad as this, but it was very substantial.
And about a million and a half illegals left in the 1950s.
peter brimelow
They only had to deport about 100,000 of them.
The others got the message and left.
And that would happen again.
The problem is the Democrats still wanted to happen.
alex jones
We've got to end anchor babies, end anchor babies, and then reimplement President Eisenhower's policies.
dan friesen
Incidentally, when Brimlow says that he wants a mass deportation like the one in the 50s, he's referring to an operation that has a racist name.
Rhymes with jetpack.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not great.
Over a million people were deported to Mexico.
Many of them who were American citizens who were caught up in dragnets set out to capture immigrants.
Incalculable damage was done to Mexican-American communities who were terrorized and disrupted.
People who were deported were often left in areas where they were completely unfamiliar with their surroundings and had no food or water.
In one case that was referenced by NPR, there was a roundup in 112 degree heat that resulted in So...
I mean, you can kind of see where he's at.
I wonder if Brimler wants his imagined revoking of birthright citizenship to be retroactive.
That would get messy really fast.
And that's where I was thinking about this idea of, like, if people who were born in the U.S. are, you know, quote-unquote illegal, then who is legal?
jordan holmes
No, I mean, the reasonable thing to do, if you say that...
Give all the land back to the native populations, and then if they don't want all of it, we can lease some from them.
dan friesen
It is strange to want that.
Considering the ramifications that would be made by this policy having existed, you really just want to push...
Non-white people out of the country.
At the end of the day, that's all this is.
jordan holmes
Are you coming for the potato famine?
Like, what are we doing?
Where does your bullshit stop?
Because I'll tell you what, y 'all weren't on the fucking Mayflower.
That's for goddamn sure.
dan friesen
And even if you were...
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Do you have any right to citizenship?
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I sure as fuck don't think so.
dan friesen
So also, if he wants this done, he's going to need to change the Constitution.
Because the 14th Amendment is pretty explicit that people born in the U.S. are citizens.
If being opposed to that is fine, even though it's in the Constitution, then Alex should probably not be so mad about people who want gun reform.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you do.
dan friesen
Apparently, amendments are open questions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep, you just can't have a traditionalist viewpoint of the Constitution and then be like, but you know what, we'll change whatever we want whenever we want to for being racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hooray!
dan friesen
So anyway, I was surprised that I actually got an answer because I was wondering if he wanted to have a retroactive revocal of people's citizenship from being born in the U.S. And apparently he does.
alex jones
What's the timetable?
How long till we lose the country?
I mean, how bad is it?
I mean, give us your real prognosis on what's going to happen if this continues.
peter brimelow
Put in very blunt terms, Weiss will cease to be a majority in America somewhere around about 2050.
Now, that doesn't mean there'll be a majority that's ceased to be a majority of the electorate.
That'll take maybe another 20 years.
But somewhere in here, you know, if you want America to remain American, you've got to get control of the situation.
And that means an immigration moratorium.
It means mass deportation.
It probably is retroactive with racism reform.
All the people who came in the last three or four years should not be allowed to become American citizens.
And their children should be allowed to become American citizens.
But it can be done.
dan friesen
That's messy.
jordan holmes
So here's the thing.
Here's the problem with your V-Dare bullshit.
If you're going to say that.
You know, like...
What you are implicitly saying whether you understand it or not is that the smartest thing that the First Peoples could have done is the moment a white person landed on this place they should have killed every single fucking one of us every single time we fucking landed on this place.
That's the smart thing that he is advocating for because that is a smart way to maintain control of your country.
dan friesen
Maybe there's another way, but...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, deport them, or whatever it is you want to pretend is what his real goal is.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm more interested in this shell game that he's playing with terms.
Alex is saying how long is it going to be until we lose the country.
And then he talks about how long it'll be until there isn't a white majority.
And then he says if we want to keep America American.
It's like, okay, you're talking about losing the country.
You're interchangeably essentially using white majority and America being American.
So we kind of get what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can use other terms if you want.
This is about a white majority.
That's all you want.
It's white nationalism.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is exactly that.
That's why I can't get the...
I mean, maybe they would be fine with that.
You know, like that idea of, yeah, if the Native Americans wanted to keep this land, they should have fucking killed us.
Like, maybe that would make sense to them.
dan friesen
Well, they would, yeah, I guess the complaint they would have is that they didn't have a good enough organization to deport.
Uh, the settlers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The colonists.
jordan holmes
Like, that has to be your argument, and if that's your argument, then you have to say that America is ours because we conquered it, and then you have to say that it is- He might actually be okay with that.
No, and if that's the case, then you do have to say that this is a white nation, because white people conquered it, I guess, is your argument.
dan friesen
I think you would probably try and, like, use terms like Western, or American.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that would be dumb.
dan friesen
Traditional American, or something like that.
jordan holmes
You could do that, but that would be dumb.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's, you know, again, it's the hiding the ball.
peter brimelow
Yep.
dan friesen
So the number one problem to Peter Brimlow, apparently, is black crime in the U.S., which is not surprising.
alex jones
If we want people to assimilate melting pot, we can do it, but they're bringing in foreign populations.
unidentified
We could do it.
It's not what we want to do.
peter brimelow
Oh, yes.
I mean, the Democrats have put everything on identity politics.
They think if they have various ethnic factions and so on, they're easily manipulated.
And they're also easily incited against the base amount of the host American population, which is why we see Joe Biden giving this speech at Howard University on the weekend saying that the major problem is white supremacy.
You know, that's the major problem in the country.
Of course, the major problem is the country has its black crime.
But he doesn't want to say that.
He wants to rile up his own base.
The next thing was going to be, you know, reparations for Hispanics or something like that because of Cortez.
dan friesen
Maybe not because of Cortez, but maybe because of the, you know, the dragnets and illegal mass deportations that you're saying we need more of that happened in, you know, the Great Depression and in the 50s that he celebrates.
Maybe there is an argument to be made for some reparations for people, you know, due to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I can disagree with him insofar as He is describing a group of ethnic obsessives who were hating the swamp and were easily manipulated into voting for a racist billionaire and then attempted to overthrow the country after being incited by said billionaire.
I mean...
unidentified
If he's talking about himself!
dan friesen
I don't know if Brimlow was at J6.
jordan holmes
He's making a very good argument for why we couldn't do that, why we shouldn't do that, and why he shouldn't do that.
dan friesen
I mean, this is a pretty bad interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a white nationalist conversation.
This is not an interview.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we get to some suggestions here where Brimlow has some ideas about what should be done.
alex jones
So what is the policy?
What is the idea, Peter, to end this, to stop this?
I mean, what do we need to do?
peter brimelow
Well, you know, right off.
First of all, abolish political correctness.
Why can't we talk about this frankly?
We can't from the mainstream media, which is why you and I are talking here now.
dan friesen
How is that a policy idea?
What's the government going to do to abolish political correctness that's going to have an impact on whether or not news channels want to talk to Peter Brimlow about his tired-ass old xenophobic ideas?
Does he want the government to mandate that he's required to be booked on CNN?
He's already opposed to the 14th Amendment, so why not the first two?
It's not political correctness that makes people not want to talk about Peter's ideas.
It's that we've done this already.
His ideas aren't new and dangerous.
They're really old, and from a past, most of us have left behind.
Terrorizing minority communities to encourage them to leave the country is a monstrous suggestion, and it didn't work when the U.S. did that in the Great Depression, and then did it again in the 50s.
This shit is stale and transparent, so most legitimate networks don't have any interest in engaging with it.
There isn't a conversation to be Yeah, no, I'm...
jordan holmes
I'm struggling to think of a 30-year period where we did not have one attempt at an ethnic cleansing in this country since its inception.
dan friesen
Alex runs a network that's essentially fueled by inciting white victimhood narratives, which is what Brimlow's goddamn site is named after, so he's perfect for this.
They can sit around and whine about how nobody likes them because of their dangerous ideas, and they can have fun in their fucking echo chamber just insisting that they're not racist, but stupid.
It's meaningless.
But this really gives up the game a little bit when the first thing that comes to Peter's mind when Alex asks for a policy suggestion is to abolish political correctness.
This is an embarrassing level of unseriousness.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, he's a fucking adult.
This is not cool.
jordan holmes
I mean, you might as well say what the government should do is mandate everybody say white nationalist things.
dan friesen
The government should not be woke.
unidentified
The government should stop channels from being woke.
The government should regulate who's allowed to be in beer commercials.
jordan holmes
Can I say that if that is your number one policy choice, then essentially what you are saying is that the government should step in and stop people from being mean to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Let me stipulate that it's maybe not his number one.
Number one policy decision, because I think that would be like mass deportation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it's the first thing that came to his mind.
jordan holmes
Well, yes, exactly.
Because he knows he's not going to get mass deportation.
He's hoping for people to not be mean to him anymore.
dan friesen
He's also not going to get anyone to abolish political correctness, because this doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
It doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
No.
This is just, I'm not getting booked.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, didn't we already move on from the term political correctness?
Now it's woke?
dan friesen
Well, he's like...
jordan holmes
Exactly!
He's trapped in the past whenever we already fucking did this!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm curious.
How old is he?
75. 75. 75 years young.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
We should be listening to people who are 75. Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, you might notice his accent.
He was born in England.
But he is a naturalized U.S. citizen.
jordan holmes
Okay, so let's deport him.
dan friesen
Well, he went through the naturalized process.
jordan holmes
I want to deport him.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I feel like- He's not from here.
I feel like it would be interesting for you to argue that against him.
jordan holmes
I want to deport you.
dan friesen
See if his argument for why he should be- Let's go, buddy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, um, man, I know- I mean, for fuck's sakes, you shouldn't be allowed in this fucking country if your bullshit is about the beginning of this fucking country.
British people have no business being here.
None!
dan friesen
You know that Alex screamed at Piers Morgan about how, like, about 1776...
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm just saying, they should be the only people that are thoroughly banned from being in this country.
dan friesen
Wow.
This is a bold, bold position.
jordan holmes
I'm standing by this proclamation.
dan friesen
So a lot of people will make the argument that, you know, Peter Brimlow's racist.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's...
I mean, I can't imagine why people would say that.
peter brimelow
Well, in the short run, what we need is one, immigration moratorium, two, massive deportation, three, birthright citizenship reform, four, I think the abolition of a lot of these DEI stuff, this diversity, equity, inclusion, which is basically a way of subsidizing these non-white, non-traditional groups through public policy.
That's necessary because, you know, if there were substrates, they would go away.
They'd be more inclined to go away.
dan friesen
Yeah, you just want non-white people to go away.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I mean, you know, he kind of gives up a little bit of the illusion there when he says non-white, non-traditional.
So that's what you mean when you say non-traditional, essentially.
Do we get the message?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get the message.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Non-straight white cis people.
That's what is allowed here.
Let's put up one big sign around the border.
Straight white cis people.
dan friesen
It's a little overt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, because Alex does his show from Stephen's studio.
He talks to Stephen's co-host, then he has Barnes on, and then he has Peter Brimlow, and then Owen takes over.
So it's really a half day for his own show, despite the full day for the other show.
Yeah.
Because I think his interests are more in piracy of that ship.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, here is...
Brimlow and Alex just kind of being racist.
peter brimelow
So it's fundamentally a corrupt motive.
But it's not just corruption.
I mean, these people absolutely dislike having a white America.
They think they're safer for various ethnic reasons.
If they can build a more diverse America and they can manipulate all the different factions and play them up against each other.
And that's, of course, what they're doing.
alex jones
By the way, I have the clips of leftists, like the head of the vaccine program in Texas, saying she's a white lady.
White people are inherently bad.
We've got to get rid of them.
They don't do what we say.
So I think there is a...
I mean, if you really look at the Civil War and what happened there, I mean, if it was a bunch of people from what's the UK today that did want to be told what to do, then I think they do see...
Particularly that European stock is having a seed of rebellion in it that they don't want.
The globalists have captured the third world, so they're really fundamentally attacking that.
I mean, it really is true.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
I am, you know, sometimes I stop and think about their bullshit, you know, and all their Western bullshit.
And then I just can't stop thinking about how Europe has been fighting nonstop for the past 2,000 years.
Like, non-fucking-stop.
dan friesen
It's been a lot.
jordan holmes
Non-stop.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
War.
Across all of Europe.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
jordan holmes
So what world do you think you're going to live in where the United, quote, States is going to not go into a giant shit ton of wars with each other?
That's crazy.
dan friesen
I think even, you know, taking it outside of Europe, I think just interpersonally...
With everybody, there is conflict, there is resolution, there is community, there's communion.
Like, there are all those aspects between every individual and individual, and every group and every group, because that's just kind of the nature of how humans are.
And, yeah, imagining that that state of affairs would ever be different, like, regardless of who is where, like, is silly.
jordan holmes
Almost.
Yeah, I mean, there's a very good lens to view human history through, and that's just the genesis of breaking up and then getting back together again.
A constant breakup, new ideas, smash back together, breakup, new ideas, smash back together in waves over and over and over again until about 50 years from now when we're all dead.
dan friesen
So one of the things that I think is really kind of bizarre about this is that, like, okay, so you have essentially regressiveness is the name of the game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there is a desire to regress policy back to a point when, you know, everything was...
You know, white-oriented, and that's the name of the game.
jordan holmes
The good old idyllic times.
dan friesen
Much like, you know, a lot of white supremacist, white nationalist types, Peter Brimlow is really against the immigration reforms of 1965, the, quote, Hart-Seller Act that Nick Fuentes screams about all the time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so, like, you know, you have this desire to regress, but, like, I don't know, at that point...
You don't think you're going to regress further?
At what point do you have a stable definition even of whiteness that you're going to adhere to?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I mean...
dan friesen
It seems to me like there's just going to be problems.
jordan holmes
Even in his ideal world.
If he got what he wanted five minutes after every non-white person was gone...
Every Catholic should be shaken in their boots.
You know, like, that's the next step for these people.
unidentified
The logical next step.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There's, um, yeah.
I think that this is just a nonsense game that he's playing that's out of division and hate.
That is at the root of all of this.
And he can intellectualize things all he wants.
It's just stupid.
And it's not a solution to any real problem.
Now, the other thing is, I do find it fascinating, this racism that Alex has.
The implication is that these white European stocks...
Have a kind of a noble heroicness to them.
And the implication, I guess, is that all other ethnic groups don't.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to get that implication.
People don't understand what words mean when you put them all together.
They mean more than the thing that you intend them to mean.
They mean the totality of what they mean.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, I think, I mean, obviously the headline is Alex was on Steven Crowder's show and then hosted his own show from Crowder's studio.
The two of them are getting buddy-buddy in a way that is, you know, it's...
jordan holmes
Uncomfortable?
dan friesen
I mean, a little bit.
Inasmuch as I think that the Steven Crowder brand of content is fucking stupid and difficult to watch in a way that is...
Because there's just annoyance.
There's sound effects.
There's fart noises almost constantly.
It's just a very bad sophomoric show.
jordan holmes
No, it's like white nationalist Howard Stern shit.
dan friesen
A little bit, yeah.
I don't think that there's any real possibility of the two of them merging in any way that is, like, gonna make a forming, like, Voltron into some kind of thing.
Because their egos won't allow it.
Crowder has this big deal with Rumble.
Alex has his own site that he's invested millions and millions of dollars into.
So, like, there isn't a way that these merge, necessarily.
And so that part is kind of a concern that isn't foremost in my mind.
But the way that Alex operates and the way he tries to co-opt and take viewers from people and lead them into his shit, that I think is kind of scary.
Because particularly the demographic information about generally younger audience listening to Crowder, I think that it does pose a significant...
jordan holmes
Yeah, because, I mean, at the end of the day, Alex would happily torpedo everything Steven Crowder's ever built if it gets him a little bit more attention.
dan friesen
He's a sneaky snake.
Yeah, he'd burn it all down.
As soon as he doesn't need him, he's going to gut him like a pig.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know how these people can trust each other at all for even a fucking second.
dan friesen
No, I don't.
jordan holmes
It's bananas.
dan friesen
I doubt they do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy.
dan friesen
And then, I mean, sub-headline, probably more importantly.
It looks like Peter Primlow on his show to just spout white nationalist bullshit.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So that's that.
jordan holmes
That is that.
dan friesen
See, I don't like the modern day.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope, nope.
dan friesen
Sucks.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
With another episode.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight.
dan friesen
Yep.
Damn it.
Look, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Naomi, I'm DZX, Clark.
I wish that I had just isolated the elevator music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, that would have nailed it.
dan friesen
Because that would have been perfect instead of my scatting.
jordan holmes
You can put it in post.
dan friesen
Just imagine that elevator music in your head right now.
Just a couple seconds of that.
Just imagine it right here.
No, no, no, you can't do it.
jordan holmes
Okay, sorry.
dan friesen
Because that'll ruin the audience's ability to imagine.
So just imagine it.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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