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May 22, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
02:35:41
#809: May 18, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check into how things are going for Alex in the present day.  Turns out, not well.  In this installment, Alex interviews a lawyer idiot, interviews a fellow talk show host idiot, and reports on the absurd story that 139 US hospitals had "kill floors" where doctors murdered Covid patients.

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a
alex jones
23:17
d
dan friesen
01:16:30
j
jordan holmes
31:27
t
thomas renz
16:27
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
and enjoy knowledge fight need money stop it it's time to pray hello Alex I'm a good I love your world.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's up?
My bright spot, Dan, is yesterday my wife's mom's.
dan friesen
My wife's mom's.
jordan holmes
That one's a little bit tougher.
dan friesen
Had to give it a shot.
jordan holmes
It was great.
It went over well.
They took our two dogs, Fanny and Jake.
Who, I will be honest with you, we are not great at grooming our dogs.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
They're oft a mess.
jordan holmes
They're oft a mess.
And summer is barreling down, and they were going to be extremely hot, so we took them over and they groomed our dogs for us.
And it was an incredibly nice thing for them to do because they agreed in advance without knowing exactly how much work it was going to be.
dan friesen
But isn't one of them a dog groomer or a dog show person?
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're very familiar with dog shows.
Yeah, I am.
dan friesen
So this is right in the wheelhouse.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean...
dan friesen
It's still a nice thing to do.
I didn't mean to minimize that.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
Here's the thing.
If we took it to a professional groomer, they would have been like, there is no...
The cash register doesn't go high enough.
You know, like that's...
They were not, well, we needed them just shaved.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
So it was a monumental task, and I am incredibly grateful because they look great.
dan friesen
Well, that's nice.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Sweet dogs.
One of them sweeter than the other.
I'll leave that on set.
jordan holmes
Definitely true.
Definitely true.
dan friesen
Which is which?
I think we all know.
Even listeners may know.
I think I've expressed my preferences for your dogs.
So I may be moving in the not-too-distant future.
And so my bright spot is I have been trying to gather my stuff together, and it's leading me to go through some stuff that I haven't looked at in a very long time.
And so I opened up a...
A folder that I have, and it has a number of posters that my brother drew of me, like, when I was in college.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He drew a comic strip that was about me, but not really about me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've talked about that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so there were a number of, like, posters.
There were some weird photoshops, too, that, like...
I don't know where these came from, but they were just bizarre photoshops with my face on things.
jordan holmes
The Wikipedia entry for false flag.
dan friesen
It was delightful, going through all this stuff.
And in it, I found...
I got a confidential letter in the mail one day while I was in college.
And it was from the disciplinary office or whatever.
And my being in college was under review.
Someone had complained about me.
To the disciplinary board because of something I had written in the campus paper.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
And so I went to the meeting with a friend of mine pretending to be my lawyer because I just made a big joke out of the whole thing.
It's a confidential letter.
Someone's trying to get me kicked out of school.
And so I found the letter.
I actually still have the letter, not the first letter, but I still have the second letter that was the guy saying...
We are so sorry that you did not do anything wrong.
I saw that and I was like, oh man.
It's nice when you have little things that remind you that your past isn't embellished.
Stories that you tell over and over again at bars and stuff.
You start to question some of the specific details of them.
And it's nice to have this little...
What would you call it?
jordan holmes
Memento?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, basically.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Trophy.
dan friesen
That's a concrete, physical thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And so that was real nice.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, for us, with some of our exploits from the past, there's a little bit of like...
I'm probably making that up.
I don't believe me.
That sounds like bullshit.
dan friesen
Especially a number of the things that ended up becoming bits that I would do on stage.
Absolutely.
I question my own memory of a number of things that became jokes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Did I embellish this for the bit?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What is real?
dan friesen
I know he said something to that person.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But I probably wasn't that witty.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's real witty.
Jordan, that's a little too witty for real life.
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
And I mean, that's one of the reasons why I really value keeping a lot of these mementos of things that listeners have sent in and stuff like that.
Because one day I'll probably be like, people didn't really like that show.
It would be nice to have like...
I don't know.
Old Mantis house phone puppet.
jordan holmes
I'm worried that we're going to be sitting in some fucking old man chairs just being like, I didn't really like our show.
No, people liked it.
Nah, it sucked.
Come on.
dan friesen
It's a possible outcome for us.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And today we're going to be talking about the present day.
Ooh.
You know, I think a fair criticism could be made that we have not paid much attention to the present day.
And I think a lot of that has to do with it being kind of repetitive, a little bit boring a lot of the time.
Certainly inflammatory, dangerous.
Not to say that there isn't bad stuff going on, but a lot of it ends up being retread territory and what have you.
And so it can be a little bit frustrating.
But that said, I think that there is an argument to be made that we need to...
So I'm going to make an effort on that front.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
I recognize that.
dan friesen
So in service of that, we'll be talking about May 18th, 2023.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That was Thursday.
jordan holmes
That was Thursday.
dan friesen
Because Alex only did a couple of minutes on Friday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He did not do most of his show.
Owen hosted.
jordan holmes
Did a lot of it from the car?
dan friesen
No.
From the home studio.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Sitting in the what could have been Alex Jones Live painting office.
But unfortunately, Mark screwed us.
jordan holmes
He should have an easel in there just to taunt us.
Just to taunt us.
dan friesen
Like Rappaport's not hung up picture.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I mean, just a signal to only us, I know.
You know, like that would be worth it.
And we would be suitably chastised if he could pull that off.
I'll eat it.
dan friesen
I would say fair play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
We would have no choice but to be like, tip of the cap to you, sir.
dan friesen
So yeah.
We also just, you know, there's a bit of stuff going on, so we didn't have an episode on Friday.
Thank you for everybody being cool about that.
We are now back, and we'll be getting into this bullshit.
All right!
We might also be getting a little bit of a return of Furious Dan.
Sick of the bullshit, Dan.
jordan holmes
Hey, I like that, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we'll see.
If he comes out to play.
But for now, before we get into business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Benchapiro.
Oh, I get it.
It's like Ben Shapiro, but Benchapiro.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Sorry I ruined the joke.
Next, Amber Willow.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, I'm wonking on sunshine.
I'm wonking on sunshine.
jordan holmes
I'm wonking on sunshine.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Abominable Kiwi.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Nonk's Revenge.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, this episode is trash.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's real bad.
jordan holmes
Okay!
Alright!
dan friesen
Alex has a bunch of bad people on doing bad shit with bad stories.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Making me mad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Read a chapter of a book that was unrelated to Alex's shit just because of some nonsense he was talking.
But, I also think that it's an interesting case study in...
The theory that Alex might do stimulants.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You will hear him quite speedy towards the end of this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And yet here is what he's like at the beginning.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
In the last 14 hours or so, before I went to bed last night, before I got up at 6am this morning, something really happened to me.
I crossed into a new mental space that I've never really experienced before.
And I'm having trouble describing it, but it is a brainwave or mindset that I would describe As a mixture of...
unidentified
Sadness.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
And of responsibility.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And of determination.
dan friesen
Pull it together, man.
jordan holmes
I was gonna draw this out longer.
alex jones
But also extremely calm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And...
Committed.
Now...
Everything I'm going to cover here today, we all basically already know is true and going on.
dan friesen
So that's great, starting the show by saying that everything they're going to be covering is stuff the audience already knows.
Basically just saying this shit's redundant and he's out of material.
jordan holmes
Listen, skip this one.
I got nothing new for you.
I don't know, this might just be...
dan friesen
I clearly have no gas in the tank whatsoever.
jordan holmes
I'm not good ASMR.
I don't know why you would be listening to this for my noises.
dan friesen
That tone scares me.
It's so sluggish and like...
And it's like, you're just starting the show.
jordan holmes
Coming out the gate.
dan friesen
With nothing.
jordan holmes
Absolute coldness.
dan friesen
Low energy.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Pretty bad.
Pretty scary.
Also, I grow weary of him constantly saying that he's reached a new place of zen-like clarity constantly over and over again.
Oh, no, no, last time was not as clear as this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, generally speaking, and I'm going off of...
dan friesen
All of a sudden, I know everything.
jordan holmes
I'm going off of just my own personal studying.
You know, I don't know for sure.
But most of the time, whenever people would reach, like, you know, enlightenment or whatever, they didn't call back another week later and be like, no, no, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa.
This time I super reached enlightenment.
Like, last time I was kind of lying to you.
dan friesen
Once a week, Buddha would declare a new enlightenment.
jordan holmes
Once you get there, you're done.
dan friesen
So Alex has a bunch of stories that work together to paint a larger picture.
alex jones
We have already basically gone over the edge of a cliff.
But we have a parachute we can pull before we hit the bottom.
But we've jumped off the 5,000-foot cliff, and we've already fallen about 1,000 feet.
And very soon, if we don't pull the chute, collectively, we are all going to be destroyed.
That's guaranteed.
jordan holmes
I've seen some people survive.
alex jones
And then I think about the evil people that are doing this at the top, down to their minions at the bottom, and I just see so clearly...
Historically, how this has happened before, and I can see really the algorithm of evil that they're using for control.
Now, each one of these stories, and there's six or seven that all tie together, maybe eight.
jordan holmes
Why not nine?
alex jones
All complement each other in understanding what's unfolding.
And each one is devastating.
Devastating in what it means and the ramifications.
And each one of these stories, we could talk for the next four hours about just one of them.
dan friesen
Not at this rate.
alex jones
Let me just calmly read you some of the headlines.
unidentified
Let me call you.
alex jones
But it's not just the stories.
It's that they're telling you this now.
Here's one of them.
unidentified
CNBC.
alex jones
A secretive annual meeting attended by the world's elite has AI top of the agenda.
They go on to say the Bilderberg Group is meeting in Portugal and that world leaders will secretly be there along with the heads of big tech and banks and that they're going to save us with a world government plan to protect us from the AI they're launching against us.
dan friesen
So Alex said he has like seven, maybe eight stories.
He gets to two.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I would have been surprised if we got past three.
dan friesen
I was really excited to track these eight stories and see what the connective tissue was and see if we could really learn something.
But he gets to two and just gives up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one of the constant features of Alex's show is him saying that various things were total secrets that no one talked about before except for him.
But now, all of a sudden, the media is talking about this thing.
And that in and of itself is a story.
The message the audience is supposed to get from this is that the media is covering it because the globalists have told them to.
Because the globalists have to follow Alex's bizarre cosmic law system, where before they do something evil toward the population, they have to give a cryptic warning about it.
So if we don't stop them before doing it, it's all.
We had the free will to stop them.
In almost every instance of this, the thing that Alex is pretending was previously a secret had been talked about widely before, and he's just lying about the new news item in order to make it fit his mold, as he's doing here.
This cosmic universe law thing is really stupid, and what kind of universe do we live in where the victim of an atrocity is to blame for it being done to them because they didn't stop it?
If someone with a gun confronts you in an alley and says, I'm gonna kill you, that technically is a warning.
They're signaling their intention, and at that point, you have the free will to try to stop them.
The fact that you had that warning, that doesn't make it your fault when the person then shoots you.
But I guess that's how Alex views the cosmos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
That's dumb.
jordan holmes
That's not good reasoning.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's just not.
dan friesen
No.
I was also thinking about this a little bit more, and I had a realization.
Alex's greatest fear is a one-world government, but by him believing in this weird intergalactic law system, he essentially believes in a one-universe government that extends beyond our plane of existence and possibly beyond death.
This whole idea is that if there's a one-world government, there would be nowhere you could go that wouldn't be under their control, and yet his own ideology involves a far more inescapable system of control.
I just thought that was strange.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is a little bit like a Russian nesting doll kind of, you know, governments within governments within governments.
If your argument is that the United States government is a system, then you have to then say that the world government is a system just not organized or unified.
dan friesen
Well, now Alex has a cosmic universal system that's inescapable.
jordan holmes
Is there a solar system government?
dan friesen
There must be.
jordan holmes
There's got to be a middle ground between...
dan friesen
Yeah, multidimensional government.
jordan holmes
You can't have Earth and everything else.
dan friesen
I mean, I guess his version of it would be like, that's what his religion is.
You know, that's God or something.
jordan holmes
But it's still like, if you just crystallize it down, that is still like the greatest police state of all right for him right right and not and still further like if your point is that the universal galactic law is superior then again everything you are doing to fight against the american government is pointless and stupid what are you doing sure there's the intergalactic government thing yep yeah
dan friesen
This CNBC article that Alex is covering is real, and it's about how this year, Bilderberg has their 69th annual meeting.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
And that AI is on the top of the agenda.
Now, one thing that they don't mention when they included that statement in the headline, that AI topped the agenda, is that the agenda that was published by the Bilderberg organizers was in alphabetical order.
So AI topped the list because it started with A, and the next item on the docket was the banking system.
AI very well may be an important topic, but from that list that was published, it's unclear if it's the most important or if it's the first in the alphabet.
jordan holmes
This is why you always make aardvark.
Always make a topic at the Bilderberg Group.
Always make aardvarks.
The first topic is aardvarks.
Okay, I guess that's what we're doing then.
dan friesen
Right.
Or someone named Aaron.
jordan holmes
Or the movie AI starring Haley Joel Osment.
You know, that's the way you do it.
dan friesen
There's a lot to work out about that movie.
There is.
Alex asserts that this CNBC article says that the Bilderberg Group is going to, quote, save us with a world government plan to protect us from the AI they're launching against us.
I know it doesn't need to be said, but that's nowhere in the article.
Alex is just making that up.
That's his storyline, and he's pretending that this article affirms, but it doesn't.
So that's the first of the two articles of the seven that all connect together.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Of the total two that he's going to be...
Here's what I would say, alright?
If you say something to me like...
I could spend four hours on this story.
Then you should end the sentence there and then say, I will.
It doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
It raises the question of if you could, that implies that there is enough to cover there that would be useful for people.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
The more I think about it, the more I'm like, I shouldn't be talking.
What can I know in 15 minutes?
What?
Why would I ever watch an interview on TV for eight minutes?
I can't learn anything in eight minutes.
I can't learn anything in eight minutes.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex is doing a disservice by not going four hours on these topics.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
There's a lot to learn, but there's actually not.
He just says that all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
So here's the second article.
I don't think it connects at all.
alex jones
And then that ties into this bombshell report that's on Infowars.com from the National Archives.
And the ADL is proud of this and wants you to know that for 60 years they've been secret police in America that have infiltrated groups, and I believe what they describe as criminal.
They got criminally indicted for breaking into police stations and robbing files in San Francisco and other areas.
But when I tell you the ADL is at the heart of quarterbacking this stuff on the ground, and I describe how they work with the Justice Department and the CIA, They have released this and are proud to let you know because now they've gone from beta to full operational.
From the school boards on up, there are calamities about to hit us economically, culturally, militarily that are already hitting that the system plans to really go to the final step of assassinating Any populace, anyone that stands against what's happening, and or putting us in slave labor camps, which the left's calling for.
dan friesen
I don't think that...
That's the case.
jordan holmes
I am now.
dan friesen
Still notice the low register, the very kind of down delivery, because he's going to get speedy a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Quite speedy.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I want to say this.
I am tired of calling Alex a liar, okay?
He lies all the time.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So as a leftist, I am going to call for people like Alex to be put in slave camps.
That is what I am calling for, so now Alex is not lying.
dan friesen
Okay.
I mean, I guess if you want to own that, you can.
jordan holmes
I own it!
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm not going to double down on this.
jordan holmes
I'm the only one on this planet.
dan friesen
So I was a little bit worried about Alex listening to this at this point.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He seems unwell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not great.
dan friesen
He seems real down, real tangential kind of in his thinking.
So Alex didn't read this headline, so it wasn't immediately obvious what the story that he was talking about was.
But it's an article from the Infowars website titled, quote, ADL ran an extensive multidimensional counterintelligence operation to destroy the John Borgias.
This is a reposting of an article from Information Liberation.
Which is another very Infowars-ish outlet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This article is in turn re-reporting on an interview that the Jewish Telegraphic Agency did with a historian named Matthew Dalek, who has a new book out called Birchers, How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In researching the book, he found records in the archives of the American Jewish Historical Society in New York that detailed how members of the ADL had infiltrated the John Birch Society and were able to use their inside information to help expose the real character of the JBS and how much of a threat that it posed to a civil democratic society.
Alex can be all upset, as much as he wants, about how members of the ADL infiltrated this group he loves and showed the public how they were organized around ideas like opposition to civil rights.
But his claims that they were some kind of Gestapo or working with the government to take down JBS figures is just not true.
Also, the ADL isn't bragging about this.
The entire story is about a historian who wrote a book uncovering this chapter in history.
The ADL itself isn't even involved.
This is the second headline.
And so far, both of them are articles that Alex is completely misreporting.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we're not going to get more.
jordan holmes
No, so it's obvious, all right?
AI?
ADL?
dan friesen
ADL will go first.
That would top the agenda.
See, there we go.
jordan holmes
No, it's A. It starts with A. You got your alphabet wrong, buddy.
How many of the other stories started with A is the question.
dan friesen
Most of my clips start with the word Alex.
So a lot of those clips...
jordan holmes
That seems pretty good.
Seems pretty good.
dan friesen
So this story, like I said, has nothing to do with the ADL except for this historian found records regarding the ADL and their behavior in like 1959 and through the 60s.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He is taking that opportunity to...
Quite aggressively attack the ADL in ways that might come off as a bit anti-Semitic.
alex jones
But let's talk about what's really going on here.
Because by having the ADL come out and attack anybody that doesn't want to be a slave and calling everybody anti-Semitic, that actually paints the target in the media and in the culture that it is Jews that run it.
And then there's persecution of Jews and the ADL gets more money.
But at the end of the day, there are a lot of powerful Jews that are in the New World Order.
unidentified
What is the middle step there?
alex jones
It's not about what religious or racial group people are.
It is about human-animal cloning.
It is about euthanasia.
It is about forced abortion.
It is about sterilizing children.
It is a biomedical, mad scientist-y population tyranny at the top that makes Hitler look like a lightweight.
But imagine if the Nazis had been more sophisticated and attached to the food and water and culture, which they had plans once they took over to do covertly.
Imagine if they'd have hired a leftist Jewish organization to be their front group.
The Nazis would have won.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
Man.
Man, oh man.
Man, oh man.
jordan holmes
That's...
That's an intense statement to make.
dan friesen
This is not political differences with the ADL that he's expressing.
jordan holmes
It doesn't feel political at all, really.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes people do that logical judo thing where you say something and then they try and twist it and then send it on back to you and then you hear in their head that...
Ha ha, what do you think about that?
Every time he says, like, oh, if Jews didn't call people anti-Semitic, nobody would even know Jews were there to be anti-Semitic for.
I always hear in my head that, ha ha, what do you think about that, dum-dums?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you're like, that's insane.
You're an insane person.
dan friesen
Yeah, on its face, it's...
An outrageously misguided and rooted in bigotry idea to express.
But yeah, Alex thinks that this is some kind of a trump card.
jordan holmes
I have fooled you.
You thought words didn't mean things.
dan friesen
Good luck getting around my trap.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
It's like a debate team logic trap that he thinks he's sprung.
dan friesen
And it is not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Also, it turns out the ADL run most of the police.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
So I'm not being an apologist for any of these extremist groups, whether that be the ADL or the KKK.
jordan holmes
What about the JBS?
alex jones
The difference is the KKK doesn't secretly control much of the police and the Justice Department.
jordan holmes
They openly control much of that as well.
alex jones
We're going to talk about it today.
But why would they come out and get National Archives documents?
And then put them out publicly and say we've been infiltrating right-wing groups and posing as racist to discredit them since the 60s.
We already know that.
What do you think Patriot Front is?
jordan holmes
The ADL?
alex jones
But here they are saying we infiltrate groups and then we try to say racist things at press conferences and things to make mainline conservatives look bad.
It's a false flag.
dan friesen
That's a false flag.
This is not at all what the article says, nor what was reported by Matthew Gallick, who was the guy who wrote about the documents he uncovered.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Also, it's not from the National Archives, which is a federal agency within the government.
These documents are from the American Jewish Historical Society.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Alex hasn't read this story, and he's just making up details, so you end up with...
Yeah.
To put into sharp focus what's going on here, there's a historian who wrote about some documents he found in these archives.
These documents related to how some members of the ADL took it upon themselves to infiltrate the John Birch Society in the 60s because they felt that what the JBS stood for was a threat to our democratic system and in turn a threat to populations like Jewish Americans.
Alex has taken an article that is editorializing on an interview with that historian and is reporting that these documents revealed that the ADL has been infiltrating these groups and false flagging them by being racist so the right-wing groups get a bad name.
Alex is just making that up because he wants it to be true.
He likes these hate groups, but doesn't want the responsibility of publicly accepting that the groups he likes are full of racists and bigots, so he pretends that those elements of his To be clear, I read this chapter in Dalek's book about the Birch Watchers, as they called themselves, and nothing Alex is saying is defensible at all.
Dalek even does concede that some of the tactics the ADL used may have been illegal, but that illegality was in the form of spying on members of these right-wing groups, including So, in the process of their spying, they didn't uncover crimes, and the meetings weren't full of ravenous bigots.
But they documented how, quote, anti-Semitic and racist ideas and language were endemic to the society from the beginning.
Before it started courting the wrong kind of attention, the society made no attempt to hide its clear ties to out-and-out white supremacists.
As the Birch Watchers documented, the racism flourished at the top, receiving an official sanction that helped legitimize the very notions the society claimed it detested.
They spied on and then relayed much of that information that they found to the media in an attempt to give people a picture of who the JBS really was.
They weren't false flagging anybody.
One passage in the chapter of Dalek's book really resonated with me.
It's talking about the Birchers, but it really is so true of the position Alex exists in as well.
Quote, Defending a white supremacist in one breath while denouncing white supremacy in the next underscored the dilemma.
The society didn't want to alienate more tolerant conservative members or hardliners.
It feared the critics would use charges of racism to discredit the movement, but it wasn't always able to hide its darker impulses and associations.
Sometimes it was those darker forces that revolted.
That's the same kind of bind that Alex finds himself in.
So anyway, Alex is just lying about this story.
jordan holmes
It's complete horse shit.
I like the idea that, like, in Alex's mind, what happened was, in the 60s, the ADL infiltrated these groups, right?
And then, in a certain sense...
The people who were in those groups stopped really caring that much, and it's just the ADL who's being racist now.
So it's almost like they've just switched roles, and the ADL doesn't even know that they're all false flagging.
Everybody's just a racist now.
Like, they don't even understand.
dan friesen
The John Birch Society is just like, they're all like, we want lower taxes, we support Chiang Kai-shek, or whatever.
You know, that's all they're doing.
Meanwhile, the ADL's coming in and attacking the civil rights movement.
jordan holmes
Sure, that's what makes sense.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The ADL made Gary Allen write Communist Revolution in the Streets about the civil rights movement.
jordan holmes
Well, again, you didn't know that he was undercover as the ADL.
He was an ADL undercover guy.
It turns out the intellectual underpinnings of everything to do with JBS are an entirely false flag creation of the ADL.
dan friesen
It's the only way to excuse the flagrant racism and bigotry of the John Birch Society, for sure.
So we got a big headline today.
Alex hasn't gotten to it yet.
It's our COVID narrative of the day.
jordan holmes
Oh, boo.
dan friesen
You would have thought the COVID conspiracies would be a little bit...
jordan holmes
A little bit passe at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah, turns out not.
And they're only getting more extreme.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Let's talk about what the new order really is when we come back, okay?
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
In 130-plus U.S. hospitals, there's now whistleblowers, documents, and recordings coming out.
But we already knew this, but now it's confirmed.
unidentified
Amen.
Thank you.
alex jones
They had special floors set up, in most cases with people that weren't even doctors or nurses but were technicians, so they said your family can't come see you, and had quotas, and we know the $51,000 bonus for killing somebody, but now the insiders are coming out.
Think of the organized evil of that.
That's the point.
Can you organize people to kill people in front of everybody and get away with it?
I mean, people in the ADL, is this really what you want to be part of?
I mean, come on, man.
You're that bad?
dan friesen
Wait.
Wait.
I don't know what the ADL has to do with this.
jordan holmes
Is the ADL involved in this one?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Are you sure this one isn't about AI?
dan friesen
No, I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So this is the new COVID conspiracy that Alex is pushing.
Apparently, all these hospitals had kill floors, as they're going to go on to call them, where they would just murder COVID patients, presumably to get their hands on that sweet, sweet cash.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
50K for a human life?
That's so cheap!
dan friesen
It's a steal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, like you responded to, I'm not sure what the ADL is doing involved here.
It seems kind of like Alex is just on a bit of a tear about the ADL, so he's injecting them into every story.
Probably because his worldview is based on anti-Semitic tropes and yelling about the ADL all the time excites the darker forces in his audience that helps get them not to revolt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, if the underpinnings of everything you're saying is ultimately anti-Semitic, yeah, you're always being anti-Semitic to some extent or another.
dan friesen
And this is just a little bit of one for the cheap seats.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
For the bigots back there.
jordan holmes
Yes, none of this subtle shit.
I'm tired of that.
I'm going to play it to the cheap seats.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is throwing a bone.
jordan holmes
Bigger!
Bigger!
dan friesen
So, Alex, it's been a little while since we've got to hear him ramble over some music.
And it's not You Belong to the City, but it's going to have to do for now.
unidentified
*music*
alex jones
God is real.
unidentified
And only reaching your hands out to the heavens and asking God to come into your cells, into your electrochemical systems.
alex jones
And purge you and block you from the enemy's frequency.
Reach your hands out like a tree's branches of the sun.
unidentified
The stars.
The firmament.
alex jones
The proof of God's incredible intention.
And pray.
Pray for an awakening.
Yes, it's begun.
This is only the start of something that will lead humanity out of the darkness to the stars and beyond.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We have a tourney.
jordan holmes
You're going to let the beat drop and then stop?
unidentified
Oh, deal.
alex jones
About half the whistleblowers that have blown wide open the gain of function and the criminal projects went through Renz.
unidentified
Thank you.
And he is a man of action.
alex jones
He now has the witnesses, he has the recordings, he has the documents of what we can see happening.
dan friesen
So the kill floor conspiracy is coming from Tom Renz.
jordan holmes
Tom Renz.
dan friesen
He's a guy who's been on the show before.
He's not a real deal at all.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
We've talked about him a bit in the past, but as a brief recap, because I'm sure you don't even remember who this guy is.
He's the guy who failed the bar four times, finally passed just before the pandemic, and then decided to make it his brand to do legal stunts and publicity things around COVID conspiracies.
He's been at the center or close to many misadventures over the past few years, but because they're all really embarrassing in hindsight, he probably doesn't keep track of his resume too precisely.
Also, he was accused by two women of sexually harassing them at a credit union he used to work at, and one woman accused him of touching her breast.
He's a huge piece of shit who realized that there was an opening in the COVID conspiracy world for a lawyer to give total horseshit the appearance of credibility, and he's made a ton of money off of it.
I went and checked out his Twitter, and just today, as I'm writing this, he's suggesting that COVID vaccines change your DNA in some way similar to HIV, and says, quote, prove me wrong.
By the way, that's impossible proves nothing.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
I scrolled further down and he tweeted this a couple weeks ago.
Quote, Developing.
This is the most important developing story in the country.
The COVID-19 murder for money scheme in the hospitals appears in many cases to have been carried out by fake doctors and nurses.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Okay, now I'm listening.
dan friesen
This tweet linked to a posting from the Office of the Inspector General in the Department of Health and Human Services about the 2023 Operation Nightingale Enforcement.
This was about a case of...
It's a diploma scheme where some people were running this out of Florida.
They'd have people pay to get their nursing degree, which would then qualify them to take their nursing board exam.
They would still need to pass that exam to get licensed, which...
Weird to think about.
You could just get a fake degree and then take the test, and some people conceivably did still pass the test?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's almost like a lot of school is, you know what, we'll leave that behind.
dan friesen
Or maybe they are people who are fairly serious about doing some studying but didn't have the money for college or something.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Who knows what the specifics of these people are.
But yeah, it's very weird.
I don't know, I couldn't find information on a lot of the specific...
people who bought the diplomas.
Yeah.
You know, obviously the people who sold them were all arrested.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And actually, I was able to find some names of the people,'cause obviously their licenses were revoked, and so state by state, they had like a number of lists Sure.
of people who was like, you know, Let it be known if the license is revoked or whatever.
So this didn't involve people being able to fake the credentials to be a fake doctor, and there's absolutely no indication where any of these people who paid for nursing degrees worked.
We don't know if they were in hospitals or treating COVID patients.
We don't even know the time frame of when they got these degrees.
jordan holmes
We also don't know if they had extra special training on secret poisons, probably hand-to-hand combat training, I imagine.
dan friesen
Renz isn't vested in pushing his conspiracy narrative, so he just runs with ungrounded speculation on this story while connecting it to his larger narrative.
It's what scam people do because he's a scam guy.
Renz has been doing this shit for years at this point.
He's a guy who makes money off yelling that the government is murdering people under the guise of COVID and promising to sue for justice, which he raises money for and then mysteriously never achieves.
He has the narrative in place, and it's just a matter of constantly coming up with supposed bombshells to justify acting like you've got the smoking gun this time.
In this case, it's an audio recording of two people alleged to be a nurse and a pharmacist.
One of them, if you just listen to the audio, it's unclear which.
Right, right, right, right.
Right.
It's ridiculous.
It's just one person who disagreed potentially with what was being done as the standard of care.
jordan holmes
Right.
At best, that's what it is.
Yeah.
Somebody saying that the medical system isn't going great.
Yeah.
That's shocking!
dan friesen
Now, there is one thing that I think could get really messy here, and that is that the doctor who Renz is accusing of killing people for profit is named in that video that he posted on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
It's all fun and games to yell about how unspecified doctors are killing patients for profit, but when the allegation is directed toward a specific person, you might just be entering into defamatory territory.
You better hope that Dr. Stiegel doesn't hear about this and decide that they don't like being called a murderer.
You know what?
And actually, as you go through this, he's clear who the nurse is, or who the pharmacist is, who's his whistleblower, in heavy quotes, and where she worked, and all this.
So it'd be very easy for this person to be like, this is very clearly making an accusation about me and my care that I gave.
I think that they could sue the shit out of these people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we're going to become a pipeline for defamation lawsuits.
Hey, just listen to our show and see if you're going to have the right to sue somebody in the right wing!
dan friesen
If you work at Ascension Hospital, one of the Ascension Hospital system, particularly those in Birmingham, Alabama, I believe, but also like...
Conceivably, all Ascension hospitals are being accused in this.
And so, like, you all might have grounds to sue Alex, and especially Tom Renz.
jordan holmes
There's a little bit of, like, have you had mesothelioma aspect of it?
Like, have you been defamed by somebody else?
dan friesen
We're becoming a late-night lawyer ad.
Also, Renz was recently a guest on Dr. Drew's show, which is just further evidence that my parents were accidentally right when they told me I shouldn't be listening to Loveline.
jordan holmes
Wow.
What a fall.
What a fucking fall for everybody.
Yeah, for all of us.
dan friesen
I wonder what Anderson, the engineer, is up to these days.
Can't be good, right?
jordan holmes
It can't be.
That must have been a curse was laid upon them at some point.
That's because, boy, independently to choose, terrible.
dan friesen
Trying to think of, like, regular guests that they had who might have come out okay.
Patton Oswalt was on a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Dana Gould was on sometimes, so those guys are alright.
jordan holmes
Those guys, like that alt comedy scene, you know, Doug Benson was on there.
dan friesen
Was he?
I don't remember him being on Loveline, but he may have been.
At least not in the years that I was listening.
jordan holmes
I remember hearing him talk about it.
I didn't listen to him.
dan friesen
The Vandals were on a bit.
The band The Vandals.
jordan holmes
Have they gone evil?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what they've done since 2000, maybe.
jordan holmes
Now, any time you say any name from something I remember, I'm like, oh, they're probably evil now, aren't they?
dan friesen
Alien Ant Farm?
Oh, they're definitely evil.
They're for sure evil.
jordan holmes
They were on the line.
dan friesen
Linkin Park was on pretty regularly, and they seemed pretty cool.
They were semi-regular guests.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I remember one episode where The Darkness, I believe in A Thing Called Love, that band, they walked out after the first segment.
Sure.
Because they thought it was going to be like an interview about the band.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And then it was people calling in, like kids calling in with problems.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they were just a bunch of...
dan friesen
And they got really uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
They were just a bunch of British dudes who were like, we don't belong here.
What are you doing?
dan friesen
We're a glam rock band.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
unidentified
Yeah, Adam and Bruce spent the rest of the show making fun of them.
jordan holmes
David Bowie wasn't giving advice to children on a fucking talk show, okay?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Henry Rollins was on a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, aside from his work on Legend of Korra, I think he's done.
dan friesen
Bobcat Goldthwait.
jordan holmes
Oh, Bobcat's the best!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Still the best.
Love Bobcat.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
I want to go hunt Bigfoot with Bobcat.
dan friesen
Anyway, Loveline, bad times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Don't go back.
dan friesen
I can't keep thinking of these memories.
jordan holmes
Don't go back.
dan friesen
So anyway, it turns out there were 139 hospitals that had kill floors.
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's a lot.
unidentified
That's too many.
dan friesen
Too many.
alex jones
Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe.
I'm getting chills right now.
This is so horrible.
The UK, Canada, the US.
Took men, women, and children.
jordan holmes
Oh, don't fake crime.
alex jones
And the computers will tell them who to hit.
And they would take them to special floors at 130-plus hospitals in the U.S. alone.
Kill floors is what they're called.
jordan holmes
By whom?
alex jones
And they would then put them on ventilators even when they didn't need it, in almost every case, and put them on enough drugs to kill them.
We even have, right before they released COVID, the massive stockpiling in these different countries and news articles about it of the drugs to do the killing.
dan friesen
I don't really have much to say about this other than it's nonsense.
I only wanted to play this clip to demonstrate where we're at with the COVID conspiracies.
Apparently now the globalists cooked up a bioweapon that they planned to release on people that It wasn't that bad of a virus.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They planned to pretend that it was a bad virus and a big deal so they could force everyone to get vaccinated.
And part of that, I guess, involved planning to have these kill floors in hospitals where patients would go and be given treatments the doctors knew would kill them in order to exacerbate the hysteria around COVID and trick more people into getting vaccinated.
The globalists wanted everyone to get vaccinated because the vaccines secretly were another bioweapon and they're going to kill off most of the population.
jordan holmes
Wait, that's where it falls apart.
dan friesen
Also, apparently doctors were getting paid to murder patients.
jordan holmes
Well, sure.
dan friesen
What are we doing?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
It all makes perfect sense, man.
jordan holmes
You know, once you get to 130 plus, you know, then my head starts doing math and I'm like, how many people you got on each floor?
What are you talking about timeline?
Also, how is it?
How is it that I can read a consistent story about States with the death penalty not being able to find the drugs necessary to kill people.
Is it because they're fucking giving them to hospitals in 130-plus places in the United States?
That must be it, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's 139 because there are 139 essential hospitals.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, there would have to be.
Yeah, it'd have to be all of them.
dan friesen
There are 139 in that network.
jordan holmes
Did they build them from the beginning, or did they retrofit their hospitals for the kill floors?
dan friesen
I think they probably had to do it.
Add another floor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make sense.
dan friesen
You can't repurpose a other floor.
jordan holmes
See, now that's where you pull the thread.
The general contractors who put together the kill floors, that's the people that you talk to.
Follow the money, Dan.
dan friesen
Do you see Soros with a hard hat?
jordan holmes
Jimmy Carter's?
dan friesen
Oh, definitely Jimmy Carter.
Habitat for humanity, my ass.
jordan holmes
Habitat for the end of humanity!
Exactly.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he's got all the proof, man, but he doesn't.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have anything.
alex jones
And they have already corrupted thousands of hospitals around the world to be part of a protocol and operation to bring in fake nurses and doctors.
That's why they closed the hospitals, wouldn't let staff in to the other areas.
They use the more high-tech modern hospitals where it's all badge controlled.
They already set it up before COVID was released in 2019, a year before.
They already drilled, and then they set the precedent as a data test to conservatively kill around 500,000 people with this method worldwide.
Around half of those in the United States.
We have all the documents, all the proof.
We'll be covering it in the second hour.
But just let that sink in.
dan friesen
It's sunk in.
And you're full of shit.
But also, he has all of the evidence, all of the documents.
It's going to be in the second hour.
That is the standard I am going to hold him to.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he fails.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
Miserably.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He has nothing.
alex jones
Nothing!
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
He has an asshole named Tom who comes in and talks shit.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Really don't like this guy, Tom Reynolds.
jordan holmes
I'm sensing that you have some animosity towards him.
dan friesen
Oh, God, I hate him.
Really.
Really, like, arch fucking asshole.
In terms of InfoWars, folks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Real piece of work.
jordan holmes
What kind of documents could you have?
Also...
250,000, that doesn't seem high enough, right?
dan friesen
Well, it would be 250,000 at those 139 hospitals, presumably, right?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Now that seems like too many.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, no, I mean, for the globalist plan, for the overarching globalist plan, right?
I feel like $250,000 is a drop in the bucket of their murder hole, you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
But that's because the vaccines are the real murder weapon.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
This is just trying to convince people with fear in order to get vaccinated.
Oh, boy.
That part is no.
But this would mean that if it's like 139 hospitals, you're assuming that like 17,000 people died at each of these hospitals?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Were murdered at each of these hospitals.
jordan holmes
Don't say die.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're murdered.
dan friesen
I think that's a little much.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Those are big, big kill floors.
Yeah.
Those are abattoirs.
They've got people walking in and pushing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The point is, this is dumb.
So we got some more dumb stuff, though.
alex jones
They did it as a plan to see if they get away with it.
And could they lock us in our houses?
And would the police attack us and take us to jail when we left our houses?
Could they then push a poison shot on us that all the studies show and what top scientists warned beforehand would happen?
Massive cancer increase.
New scientist reports, cancer mystery as cases rise among younger people around the world.
And we have the list of countries.
It's all the countries that took the Moderna and Pfizer shots.
The biggest two-year increase in history, massive.
They said it's absolutely devastating.
Cancer in young people is up multi-thousand percentage points.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Starting to get the picture here.
dan friesen
What Alex is saying sounds like it could be contained in an article with the headline, quote, Cancer mystery as cases rise among younger people around the world.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
That headline sounds like it could involve a huge spike in the past two years of cancer cases in young people.
jordan holmes
Could.
dan friesen
But Alex is just making that up.
This article says in the first paragraph, quote, For three decades there's been a gradual rise in the number of people under 50 being diagnosed with cancer, and we don't entirely know why.
So...
It's not just the last two years, and it's a gradual rise.
jordan holmes
Right.
From all the times.
dan friesen
This article does single out bowel cancer, which has risen about 50% in people between the ages of 24 and 49 in the UK since the 90s.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a large increase, but again, it's not related to COVID, like Alex is clearly saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This trend with bowel cancer is similar in the United States, Canada, Australia, South Korea, and, quote, several European countries, including Sweden, Finland, and the Netherlands.
According to the New Scientist article, that is the list of countries that they see this trend in.
jordan holmes
Looks like all the ones that took the Moderna and the Pfizer.
Nobody else took those vaccines at all.
dan friesen
No, but those are countries that have approved those Moderna and Pfizer shots, so they also have non-MRNA vaccines that are available.
jordan holmes
Doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
And this is a trend that's been going on since the 90s.
There are a number of possible explanations that are offered in this article, if Alex wanted to read it.
Things like diet shift, sedentary lifestyles, and the prevalence of antibiotics.
Yeah, I think we would know well in advance before Alex.
Multi-thousand percent!
jordan holmes
Cancer had gone up multi-thousand percent.
I would not hear about it from Alex first.
dan friesen
The bowel cancer over 30 years, 50% increase is a giant thing.
That's huge.
jordan holmes
Think about it this way.
If the news dropped that there was a multi-thousand percent increase...
On the exact moment that you were listening to Alex say it, like you could not find it anywhere else faster because you were in the exact moment of listening to him find out, right?
You could conceivably hear about it first from Alex.
It would be impossible for me to not find out a multi-thousand percent increase in cancer had gone on in my age bracket.
dan friesen
In the real world, that spike has not happened.
And generally speaking, the rates of most cancers have been Trending downward.
And even more downward is like deaths from cancer.
Trend downward somewhat.
Seems like Alex is just 180 degrees wrong.
jordan holmes
Seems like all of modern life is made up of stuff that gives you cancer sooner or later.
dan friesen
So Alex complains more about the ADL because it seems like what he wants to do today.
But he has an interesting thought and that is like, look, fuck the ADL.
But we can't be like yay.
And then he starts complaining about his interview with Ye, and it's really, really sad.
jordan holmes
Alright, this makes sense.
unidentified
Does anybody feel safe rolling over to these people?
alex jones
No, every cell in my body, my instincts, my soul says, we have got to admit we have a global corporate takeover, a mad scientist, and we have to peacefully dismantle it.
But we cannot play their games, because these eugenicist super-Nazis have hired leftist groups like the ADL to be their front.
We have to transcend that and not become Kanye West, who I'm not attacking, but obviously has been sucked into the paradigm.
Or who knows, because there's tax issues, he might be working for them.
I might be threatening to put him in jail if he doesn't go around and try to set people up, like he did that day, sitting around here in the chair next to me.
But I saw that coming a mile away.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
You fucking fool.
alex jones
My wife said, don't do the interview, it's a setup.
And I said, I know it's a setup, sweetheart.
jordan holmes
Don't call me that.
unidentified
You make me uncomfortable.
alex jones
I love everybody.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I love the Muslims.
I love the Jews.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I love the Christians.
I love the animist.
I love the agnostics and the atheist.
I really don't want to see us all destroyed together.
I really don't want to see this planetary collapse in hell, world.
But no matter what they say or do or how they persecute us, we have to tell the truth and never stop.
dan friesen
Well, you don't.
But it's so goddamn funny.
To imagine that this is Alex's own self-perception.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so distorted from reality that he was talking to his wife and like, honey, don't worry.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
I know it's a trap.
I'm not going to fall into any of it.
He was making his own traps to fall into.
jordan holmes
He was excited to, yeah.
dan friesen
He was so thrilled to have like a big celebrity interview.
unidentified
You're so famous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was a bad idea, but that doesn't make it a trap.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just, you're dumb.
jordan holmes
Can I just...
dan friesen
You took a risk and it blew up in your face.
jordan holmes
Even for us.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Even for us.
All right.
Can I just say that I did not ever expect to hear that super Nazis were using the ADL and in order to combat that, we can't be like, yay.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
It's a mad lib.
jordan holmes
That is an absurd statement.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even for us.
Okay?
dan friesen
It's a combination of words that most people would look at and be like, I don't get it.
jordan holmes
No, I can't understand.
Is this some sort of puzzle?
dan friesen
I know what all the words mean, but together they...
jordan holmes
I've never been unable to speak English before.
dan friesen
So, Alex is talking about the murders in the hospitals and what have you, and how they do this stuff, and then because you go along with it, you're part of it.
And you go along with it because if you don't, the institutions all are going to collapse, and you're afraid of that happening, so you go along, and then everything gets corrupted.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he talks about that, and then he makes up a bunch of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There was a National Post article 10 years ago or so, and it was written by the editorial board.
That's the biggest paper in Canada.
They said, look, our top professors have looked at 9-11, and clearly it was an inside job.
Building 7 was blown up.
unidentified
Top professors that are on staff.
alex jones
But they went on to say that clearly they were aided and this was allowed to happen.
And there was other projects piggybacked on it.
They said, this will bring down the entire liberal system.
That's the whole world system, bigger than a Republican or Democrat.
If we let this come out, and again, they think we're animals, so they're writing in the editorial pages of the editorial board of the paper that, yeah, we know it's an inside job, but we have to suppress it because the 9-11 treatment got so powerful the first 10 years after that it was unseeing the whole system.
And see, it's the same methodology.
When you get people that I personally know whose mother or father or brother or sister would go in with a bad cough and trouble breathing, and they wouldn't give them drugs, wouldn't give them trouble, they'd say, just go home, take some aspirin.
And when they couldn't breathe, they'd come back and put them on a ventilator, and there was the same thing in every Western country.
On average, the equivalent of $53,000 to put somebody on a ventilator, another $12,000 if they die.
jordan holmes
That's not enough money!
That's not a lot!
alex jones
No matter where you were, it was the same in the UK, same in Australia, same here.
Same program, same deal.
Oh, you can't see your loved one.
Well, they weren't letting the nurses and doctors that normally work there.
They were telling them, oh, we're not doing regular care right now at these key hospitals, remember?
Oh, the hospital's closed.
You'd go there, no cars are there, but they'd show you, oh, it's so busy.
There's people on hazmat crews.
Don't come to the hospital.
We can't do that elective surgery.
We can't even see people that had heart attacks.
Remember, they had messages.
You know, COVID's so bad, the hospitals are so overwhelmed.
Orders went out all over the world.
Do not resuscitate someone with a heart attack to an ambulance because we don't have the staff.
Because they sent them home at most of the major big hospitals for the first six months.
Remember this?
And said, and you can't see your loved ones either because they were murdering people and setting that precedent.
To turn hospitals into pure, straight-up death camps.
We'll document it all next hour.
dan friesen
He's going to document all of that.
jordan holmes
Document all of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of documents.
dan friesen
Probably too much for him to even try to handle.
jordan holmes
I think he's already proven.
dan friesen
I know he has a lot of stackies, but you're going to need way more.
So just to get this out of the way really quick, the National Post editorial board did not come out and say that 9-11 was an inside job, but they needed to cover it up so the structures of the world order wouldn't be toppled.
jordan holmes
That would be a real weird one.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
And the editor of that paper actually wrote a book called, quote, Among the Truthers, which is critical of 9-11 conspiracy theories.
Actually, the full title of that book is, quote, Among the Truthers, a journey into the growing conspiracist underground of 9-11 truthers, birthers, Armageddonites, vaccine hysterics, Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's like a perfect Venn diagram at the middle of that is Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it gives you a sense of the tone.
In preparing for his book, this editor, Jonathan Kaye, interviewed Alex.
So Alex has likely cobbled together misremembered fragments of that and turned it into this editorial page of the National Post publishing that they knew 9-11 was an inside job, but they were insistent on covering it up.
It's a load of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, his game of telephone happens with his memories and his brain.
dan friesen
Yeah, and whiskey.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next point, I've...
We've never seen Alex present a case of someone who was healthy, put on a ventilator, and then died because of the ventilator.
This is something that's become solidified as rampant during the early days of the pandemic in Alex's mind and in their conspiracy information space, but it's never more specific than vague anecdotes.
Alex is just making up that all these countries were paying hospitals to put people on ventilators.
Different countries have different healthcare systems, so this doesn't even make sense.
The conspiracy is based off a willful misrepresentation of the I think they added that one for fun.
I probably just missed that post on Steve Kirsch's dumbass substack.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
This is an old conspiracy that is complete bullshit, but I guess Alex wants to hold on to it so he can get some more use out of it.
Alex is really fudging details about the early days of the pandemic here, too.
nurses not to come in.
If anything, they were telling everybody to come in and stay forever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You remember when people were banging pots?
Yep.
Yep.
Alex and Infowars tried to get on board with the hot conspiracy narrative at the time about hospitals secretly not being full, but even Paul Joseph Watson told Alex to stop it and said that it was like Sandy Hook all over again.
Orders did not go out to not...
Orders didn't go out to not resuscitate people who had heart attacks all over the world.
I'm not sure about places like some areas in Italy or something where there were localized, really severe circumstances.
I'm going to only say this about the United States, that this did not happen.
Alex is exaggerating this based on a New York Post article about New York telling EMTs to not risk exposure by tending to people who've had a heart attack.
Part of this is due to the nature of how you have to attempt to resuscitate people in that state.
Part of it had to do with PPE shortages early on in the pandemic.
And another part of it was likely due to the fact that survival rate for out-of-hospital cardiac arrest cases is approximately 5%, according to the American Journal of Emergency Law.
You definitely wouldn't understand this context from just listening to Alex's foggy memory embellished shit.
All this is nonsense and it doesn't match reality, but it matches the feeling that Alex's audience has about reality.
This feels like how things are.
So Alex is amping that feeling up and using that feeling to feed into his current narrative that the hospitals were death camps with kill floors.
Yeah.
Good luck documenting.
That'll be tough.
Quite a task.
jordan holmes
I feel like this is just an inappropriate understanding of value.
A year's salary is not enough to kill me.
You've got to figure that it's a 10-year at least.
I would say that 10-year productivity aside, maybe half a million for a human being.
But not 50K.
dan friesen
Come on.
You could find somebody to kill somebody for 50K probably.
I would assume.
I don't know what the going rate is on the dark web.
jordan holmes
Sure, but that's your mom and pop murder.
That's not your government globalist murder.
dan friesen
That's also a very specific kind of thing where you're hiring somebody as an assassin.
People who are in the medical field are often pretty well paid.
People in the medical field generally have a care for patients.
jordan holmes
Almost a calling.
dan friesen
Getting them to override that and kill people for money is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That, like, oath thing that they take, you know?
dan friesen
I mean, it just sort of plays on ideas, too, of, like, the mercy killing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the angels of death kind of nurse thing.
dan friesen
Those people, like, the few cases of that that has happened gives...
Like some sort of a credibility to this picture in people's minds.
Oh yeah, doctors could be convinced to give them 50 grand to kill anybody.
jordan holmes
Anytime you're at your weakest and somebody else has full power over your life or death, of course you're going to be susceptible to that.
dan friesen
Also, why did they stop at the amount of people they killed?
Why didn't they kill way more people if it was just a matter of 50?
jordan holmes
They ran out of 50 Ks!
dan friesen
I don't know about this.
jordan holmes
He didn't have any more 50k bills.
dan friesen
It doesn't make any sense.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is making gigantic claims.
alex jones
Through the biomedical complex and under UN direction.
jordan holmes
Not regular.
alex jones
UN directors by Bill Gates' combine, the Carnegie Endowment, the CIA.
They openly cleared the hospitals, kicked out the regular staff and key facilities, and murdered people in each nation.
It's a big claim.
Now I'm going to ask the FBI.
I'm going to ask school teachers.
I'm going to ask auto mechanics.
I'm going to ask pastors.
I'm going to ask...
jordan holmes
Name five more jobs.
alex jones
The Southern Party Law Center.
The Republican Party, the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
alex jones
You understand this is all real, okay?
People ask why I don't have any fear.
Because we are in an ocean of evil and we're all going to be destroyed if we don't stop this.
dan friesen
No, it's because you're making it up.
It's because it's all bullshit.
That's why you're not afraid.
Because you're super rich and you're making shit up to scare people so they give you more money.
That's why you're not afraid because you're heavily insulated from the problems you're creating and you don't give a shit.
And you're a bad person.
jordan holmes
The only thing you're afraid of is losing all of your money.
Which you're very afraid of that.
For good reason.
dan friesen
There's a pretty decent chance that your greatest fears are going to be realized.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's tough.
It's a little bit like a meteor headed to Earth.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get to talking more about this JBS story.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it's all a load of shit.
alex jones
I'm going to have a link to it out of the live show feed so everybody can share it.
But you need to go read it.
You need to go get it.
You need to see the dials for yourself.
Why, the ADL and some of their scholars and others are very proud and want you to know, since the 60s, they infiltrated populist, quote, right-wing groups and posed as racist at public events to discredit the groups, like the Patriot Front.
And they broke into police stations and did so much more, and they want you to know that they're an intelligence agency working with the CIA and FBI.
It's all in the article.
jordan holmes
They want you to know?
alex jones
To stop.
unidentified
Nazis from taking over and killing Jews.
alex jones
Oh, so you've got to take all our rights and spy on us and infiltrate us and say we're racist and lie about us so the tyrants don't take over.
No, you're creating an atmosphere that'll destroy everybody.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm not an apologist for Jews or anybody else, but they're individuals.
Do you think the average Jew knows what's going on?
No.
They believe the hype that they're being persecuted.
Just like black people think Whitey's out to get them.
The globalists are out to get everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Tough to find the right words to respond to that shit.
jordan holmes
Yikes.
Yikes.
dan friesen
So I'm just going to jump to talking about the article.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Because that flagrant nonsense at the end is...
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, listening to somebody say something like that makes me feel like Whitey's out to get me.
dan friesen
The ADL is convincing these Jewish people of the hype!
jordan holmes
I don't trust Whitey!
I don't trust Whitey!
dan friesen
So Alex is making shit up that he wants to be true about this article, but his coverage doesn't match reality at all.
First problem, there aren't any documents for you to see for yourself.
jordan holmes
That is a trouble.
dan friesen
The article is based on an interview with that historian, Matthew Dalek.
He reviewed documents in the process of writing this book, but these documents themselves Also, it's not the ADL's scholars or something.
Second problem, it's not about the ADL constantly and consistently infiltrating every right-wing group for the last 60 years.
It's about the JBS in the late 50s and 60s.
Third problem, Birch Watchers did often pretend to be racist so they could fit in with the other members of the JBS, but there's no indication of a single person who pretended to be racist in order to cause a scene to make the JBS look bad.
From reading that chapter in Dalek's book and reading...
Like, on purpose.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And for fun.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fourth problem, the ADL and, quote, their scholars, whatever that's supposed to mean, aren't reporting this story because they're proud of anything.
That doesn't even make any sense.
Doesn't mean anything.
Dalek's book came out a couple months ago and a Jewish news outlet interviewed him about the intersection of the ADL and the John Birch Society, who his book is mostly about.
The ADL is only covered in one chapter of the book.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Fifth problem, just about everything else in that clip is nonsense with a real bad ending.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he's making a bad sell.
I think I would like the ADL a lot more if I knew that they were also an undercover operation and have been doing this for like 60 years.
That's cool.
I mean, maybe not good or evil or whatever it is, but...
dan friesen
I don't think that it is outside of the realm of possibility that some people associated with ADL...
May have made inroads to try and infiltrate certain extremist groups.
jordan holmes
I mean, some of our friends have done that.
dan friesen
Right.
For good reason.
I don't think it's entirely impossible, but pretending that it's some kind of a covert agency working with the CIA, it's a little...
Well, it's not supported by the material that Alex is presenting as documentation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the least believable thing is that a secret organization would be secret for longer than 60 years.
dan friesen
And also be like, hey, write an article about how we do all this secret stuff.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Oh, they want to be proud of working with the CIA.
Yeah, man.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
So, because Alex is so focused on the ADL, he does kind of drift into a little bit of these types of tropes, like Jewish people are attacking white people kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
You need to go read this article and read these documents, but this is from them.
And you go, why does that happen?
Well, they said, well, now we're going to save you on the big stage.
With the FBI and CIA publicly, with TV ads saying, watch your neighbors, you can't trust white people.
That's what Hitler did to the Jews.
He ran newsreels and news articles and speeches that they were a secret evil group and that had to be exterminated.
And now the ADL is saying they've got to come after all of us and Sashiko Barron, what, two, three years ago at their annual meeting, said, arrest Zuckerberg if he doesn't censor everybody and arrest Alex Jones.
Wow, that's so friendly and nice of you.
dan friesen
So again, there aren't any documents here and the ADL didn't put anything out.
A guy was interviewed about a book about the JBS that he wrote and Alex is making up a huge attack on white people out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, amazing the power that Sacha Baron Cohen has, seeing as neither of the things that he wanted to happen have happened.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Neither of the things that he wanted to happen, according to Alex, have happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex knows exactly what he's doing here.
There's classic anti-Semitic narratives.
They almost always involve a kernel and a foundation of Jewish people being out to destroy white people.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex may as well be just throwing red meat to the neo-Nazi adjacent community.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
It's a little bit ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Your argument is always going to be, ah, yeah, but white people are the real blank.
You know, like, name whatever oppressed group that there are that are being oppressed by a white structure, and white people are going to be like, ah, but white people are the real blank.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Alex will be like, the globalists are about to get us all.
We've got to put our divisions aside, but also the white people are the real people who are under attack.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
I wonder why.
jordan holmes
This bill...
That keeps trans people from existing in a state.
But white people are the real trans people.
dan friesen
So I've often talked about how Alex and his dad are John Birch Society fuckheads.
And Alex's household that he grew up in is clearly just infested with John Birch Society ideology and material.
And this is something that people have pushed back on.
I've gotten some...
Reporters, let's say, who have said, hey, I don't know if he's that John Birch-y.
He's got some ideas, but I don't know if he's that.
jordan holmes
I like it when people step to you.
I think it's smart.
I think it's a smart thing to do.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
The John Birch Society was 100% dead on.
unidentified
They were shocked the founders by trying to be handed over to the communists.
alex jones
They investigated and found out that our government was funding authoritarianism worldwide.
jordan holmes
They discovered that.
alex jones
The writings of the CFR and Bilderberg Group and other organizations to bring in world government to control both parties and other parties in other nations.
And they were effectively educating people.
And they said, get out of the Vietnam War in the mid-60s.
So they got infiltrated.
And here's the ADL.
How they infiltrated him, how they demonized him, how they lied about him, how they committed crimes against him, and how they've done it ever since to everybody else, and how good they are.
dan friesen
I've been saying this for a while, so it's nice for Alex to just stop pretending to be something more than what he actually is.
Just an idiot who read JBS books as a kid.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's not some dude who's done mountains of research into how the supposed New World Order operates.
He's a lazy, angry asshole who read shit by Skousen and Gary Allen and G. Edward Griffin and then made it his personality.
For real, though, it's time to pay the fiddler.
Alex says that the JBS was right about everything, so now I guess Alex thinks that Eisenhower was a communist, was an avowed communist.
I guess he has to now be explicitly opposed to civil rights.
Alex should probably also stop pretending to admire Martin Luther King Jr. since the JBS called him a communist agitator who was trying to provoke a race war.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck out of here, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't do that!
I mean, you can't...
dan friesen
Well, you have to own the implications of your beliefs.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
And it is disgusting that people are allowed to be like, okay, yes, I agree with this 100%, but only the bits and parts that I choose and everything that I would have to take responsibility for that I tacitly support and give active support to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, that's not me.
That's not me!
That's not the organization, man!
That's not how it works!
dan friesen
Oh, unfortunately it is.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets lost in sort of rambling about how the ADL is evil.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then just sort of takes a little bit of a ride.
alex jones
So they got infiltrated, and here's the ADL.
How they infiltrated them, how they demonized them, how they lied about them, how they committed crimes against them, and how they've done it ever since to everybody else, and how good they are.
Yeah, giving Arnold Schwarzenegger awards when he says he loves Hitler.
Giving George Soros awards when he says the best time of his life was working for Hitler.
You guys are evil.
And I know you know you're evil.
You like it.
You think you're on the winning team.
unidentified
You think you're on the winning team.
alex jones
If you study history and if you look how things are going, you're going to kill us all.
I have no desire.
To be at war with you guys.
But let me just explain something to you.
We have run the tables on you.
jordan holmes
Wait, so you think you're on the winning team?
alex jones
Videos of Bill Gates get tens of millions of views and have hundreds of thousands of comments you have to read for hours before you find one comment that's pro Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
YouTube has spoken!
alex jones
It's the same thing for Soros.
It's the same thing for all of you guys.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
alex jones
You've lost.
But you're going to keep escalating, and you're in an attempt to keep control, and anybody can tell you that when an immovable object comes into contact with unstoppable force, there's a hydrogen explosion.
There's a nuclear bomb.
This is going to destroy everything.
This is insane.
dan friesen
When I hear stuff like this, like, legitimately, my only reaction is, grow up.
We have won because of YouTube comments.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
dan friesen
Cool, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you guys just think you're on the winning team.
Not like me.
I'm on the winning team.
dan friesen
Aren't you 50?
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Just act like a...
Goddamn grown-up.
jordan holmes
And then there's just the idea of like, oh, we already won.
So if you keep fighting, then you're going to kill everybody.
That's not us winning.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm just still caught up in the YouTube comments of it all.
jordan holmes
I just can't breathe with that.
dan friesen
I mean, you said it before, but the idea of saying it once is really pathetic.
But then being something that's brought up multiple times and kind of...
Fairly consistently as evidence that you're winning some sort of battle is, boy, boy, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, because if you say it one time, maybe you're just talking shit.
If you say it repeatedly, then I know, for a fact, you have sat at your little computer and scrolled your little mouse wheel down and down and down.
dan friesen
He said he spends hours looking at these YouTube comments.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Disgusting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Real sad.
So I told you at the beginning of the show that Alex was going to take a little transformation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It happens here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Ren's has shown up.
We're beginning the second hour.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And Alex is totally different.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So he had to go to the bathroom.
He had to say hello to the baby changing station.
And then he comes right on back.
dan friesen
I feel like that might be the case.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
There's a lot going on with COVID.
I'm going to get updates on all the other lawsuits and things in a moment.
But let's drill into the ventilators.
I mean, we know.
Family couldn't visit.
They kicked the rest of the staff out.
Same policy worldwide.
Bounties to put people on ventilators.
We know the drugs were killing them.
They knew it.
They said don't give it to someone on a ventilator.
So they stockpiled it ahead of time.
I mean, all that proves it was a conspiracy.
We can convict any of them with just that evidence.
But now you've got the big pharmacist groups.
Everybody, they know what's on the indications.
They know what they've been told.
Lay this out for us.
thomas renz
Yeah, so let me start with this from the law, right?
And I want people to understand how this was done.
So that you don't think that this is an accident or a one-off.
I want you to understand the way the law worked on this.
We legislated hospital murder factories.
dan friesen
Whoa!
So you can tell a little bit of a pressure behind Alex's speech.
He's speaking a lot quicker.
jordan holmes
What's the words per minute, you think, comparison?
dan friesen
Oh, it's different.
jordan holmes
A little different.
dan friesen
So nothing Alex just said could convict anyone, nor does it even point in any way towards a conspiracy.
If this conspiracy is true, then there was this grand plan to put people on ventilators and give them some medication to kill them.
If that's true, then why did the ratio of COVID patients receiving treatment, including ventilators, why was it...
And why did it drop pretty much consistently as the pandemic went on?
This is an opportunistic exploitation Alex and Wrens are engaging in, where there is a fact, which is that people who had COVID and were treated with a ventilator had a higher death rate than would have been expected.
The explanation for this fact is pretty simple.
COVID cases where a ventilator is necessary are going to be the more severe cases with patients in more deadly situations, and regardless of why you're using a ventilator, you run the risk of being exposed to a secondary infection.
These are not complicated things to understand, but instead of accepting reality, Alex and Renz glom onto these deaths and use this tragedy for their own enrichment and to propel their conspiracy worldview.
The higher rates of death among people who were on ventilators was because there was a concerted plan from the government to kill citizens for vague and nefarious reasons and doctors went along with it and killed their patients because they wanted the $50,000 That's sweet, sweet.
jordan holmes
50k.
dan friesen
This is stupid shit, and these people are not only worth not taking seriously, they're worthy of derision.
They're people who are unfit for polite society, and they're willing to dance around with these stolen corpses for profit.
Fuck these people.
Just to show my work, here is Alex specifying what drug he's talking about when he says they're put on ventilators and all these drugs.
This is from a little bit earlier.
alex jones
It gets worse.
Remember what happened in the UK.
They got a stockpile of a drug that's used to put people under an anesthesia, and they would kill them with that, knowing that if you give somebody even a small amount of this, they can't breathe.
Number of prescriptions for the drug, midazoplam, doubled during height of the pandemic.
And right before the pandemic started, the UK government ordered the biggest stockpile ever of it.
And it goes on from there.
dan friesen
It goes on.
So, to be clear, Alex is alleging, the whole narrative here, is that 139 U.S. hospitals had kill floors, where they would put COVID patients on ventilators and give them these sedatives.
I'm guessing that that, based on what he's saying, that is how the mechanics of the murder happened.
jordan holmes
That's the logistics, yeah.
dan friesen
And so he's propping this up with a story about prescriptions going up for a sedative in the U.K., and the U.K. stockpiling it?
Doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, this conspiracy just doesn't work.
There was a large increase in prescriptions for midazolam in April 2020 in the UK, but this was a specific type of prescription.
This was out-of-hospital prescriptions, so it was not being given at all to people on ventilators.
They're not on a ventilator outside of a hospital setting, and these prescription increases were out-of-hospital prescriptions.
No one knows exactly for sure, but the prevailing theory is that this was for elderly people who were in a lot more pain due to COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Some theories have floated around about assisted suicide, but nothing has been established on that, and there's no evidence to prove it.
The claim that the UK had the largest ever stockpile of midazolam is something Alex is just taking from David Icke.
In reality, the UK did have a stockpile of it, as they did of many medications.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you keep a stockpile of shit.
You might need it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's nonsense.
He just took it from David Icke.
Bunch of bullshit.
Yeah, Alex says they have the information to convict people, and this is what he's swinging out with.
It's a load of shit.
jordan holmes
I like Wren's jumping onto that with a nice little, like, let's start with the law.
You know, like, he sounds like Charlie Day.
Describing how to be a lawyer.
He's like, as a lawyer, as a specialist in law, let's go back to the legislation was made by...
dan friesen
When you're dealing with the law, it's best to talk about the law.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the law is the law.
Oh my god.
dan friesen
It does not sound like someone who failed the bar four times and became a lawyer just before COVID and has been scamming COVID shit since.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds more right, yeah.
thomas renz
The National Center for Vital Statistics, the CBC, the HHS, all these people, they say, listen.
If you're coughing, if you've got any symptoms of COVID, we want you to call it COVID.
If you've got it, it doesn't matter what it is.
If it's COVID, if it could possibly be COVID, we want you to diagnose COVID.
And if you diagnose it as COVID, that's fine.
And you'll get a bonus.
If you don't diagnose...
alex jones
And I'm sorry to interrupt, but just to back you up, remember, zero flu in all these countries for those years because they were calling flu that and killing them.
Sorry, go ahead.
thomas renz
Yeah.
Yeah, well, you got an incentive, right?
You got extra money to call it COVID.
But if you didn't call it COVID, you were going to get a call from the government saying, why are you not listing these people as COVID?
They say, well, what are the symptoms?
And the symptoms for COVID and the flu were identical, by the way.
They were indistinguishable.
I've put the side-by-side up before.
They're indistinguishable.
dan friesen
The symptoms may be indistinguishable to you, Tom Renz.
You're not a doctor.
A whole lot of conditions share symptoms, often with some pretty heavy overlap, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.
So if you've got fatigue, a fever, sore throat, swollen lymph nodes, well, you might have mono.
Or it might be strep throat.
Strep is short for streptococcus, which is a bacteria, whereas mono is mononucleosis, which is caused by a virus like Epstein-Barr, so they're treated entirely differently, because one's a virus, one's bacteria.
But oh man, swollen lymph nodes, fatigue, fever, those are also symptoms of lymphoma.
You could have a lot of different things, is what I'm saying, with a fairly similar set of symptoms.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I'm going to take what he said, and the first, I'm going to start with the law, okay?
Now, for law purposes, if you were to tell somebody to lie at their job and that you will give them bonus money for it, legally speaking, that's totally fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, these accusations are 100% have to be actionable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
It wouldn't be if it's just the standard vague bullshit they talk about, but they're being very specific.
jordan holmes
You're saying that these people were paid to commit fraud and murder.
dan friesen
Specific people.
jordan holmes
Specific people.
dan friesen
There is a name in the video that he released.
jordan holmes
Were given thousands of dollars to commit fraud and murder.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think the murder is maybe the worst of the two.
unidentified
I would agree with that, but at least, you know, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, there was plenty of flu.
It feels like there wasn't because of the way Alex has covered stuff and the lies that he's told, but it's bullshit.
There was a lot of flu.
jordan holmes
This conversation, too, I feel like I should be able to get a doctor who just is like, well, medically speaking, and then he goes, well, legally speaking, and then we can all just leave, and they can just talk to each other in an endless back-and-forth nonsense.
I think that's a good way to...
To freeze him in a sort of stasis.
dan friesen
The 2020 flu season goes from September 2020 to May 2021.
It was a light season, and that's obviously because people were staying home and wearing masks and shit.
But these people, Alex and Wrens, they're more talking about the previous season.
And that had about 36 million cases of the flu.
And that's a low-end estimate.
So, I mean, there was plenty during that time when they were saying everyone was just being, they said they had COVID and they killed them.
It's a load of shit.
So anyway, we get to the discussion of Renz's supposed whistleblower here, and man, there is just nothing here.
thomas renz
You know, we've been working on gathering the data because we have to show willfulness.
Well, so I get a call from a wonderful lady, and she doesn't really want to be public.
I mean, her name's public because she's filed a lawsuit and it's public record.
But she's asked me to speak for her publicly because, first of all, she wants to make sure she's not saying anything that's going to damage her lawsuit.
And second of all, she wants to make sure that she's not looking for fame or fortune.
She's a mom of five.
She's got a Ph.D. in pharmacy.
Stanford educated, one of the most qualified pharmacists I've ever ran across.
I mean, the woman is a brilliant pharmacist.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
thomas renz
Her name is Adrini, and she comes forward and she says, listen, I'm a pharmacist.
I had worked in clinical trials with big pharmacists, that and other.
I wanted to get back into patient care, went back into that.
While I was at the hospital working during COVID, I was looking at the drugs they were using, and I felt that their protocols created an opportunity to hasten death.
Now, hasten death is a term that's used.
jordan holmes
Legally speaking.
thomas renz
If I shoot you in the head, I'm hastening your death, right?
It's a polite way of saying killing someone.
It doesn't matter how you hasten death.
Hastening death is still killing someone, right?
So she said, you know, they wanted me to sign off on these protocols that I thought were going to hasten death or that had the potential to cause death and set another.
I said, well, okay.
She said, well, I applied for a religious exemption because I didn't think that was right, and they ended up firing her and retaliating against her.
So I want you to understand what I just said, Alex, in plain terms.
You got a PhD, super high-end, quality-educated pharmacist.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
thomas renz
As credentialed as anybody on the planet, in a hospital, says to the hospital, your policies could result in patients dying.
Can I have an exemption from supporting these policies?
And instead of the hospital saying, oh my god, they could?
We need to change these policies or at least reevaluate them.
Instead, the hospital fires and retaliates.
dan friesen
This is a nice story for Renz to tell, but it isn't proof of anything.
Tom and this woman, Adrini Smith, are in serious danger of getting the shit suit out of them.
It's pretty easy to track down the hospital she worked at, and they're making direct claims about that hospital and specific doctors who practice there.
She has an opinion that these protocols for treatment weren't appropriate, but that doesn't seem like it justifies accusing these doctors of having murder factories set up.
jordan holmes
It does seem a little bit like an escalation.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's sensationalist bullshit, peddled by a hack lawyer who knows that unless he He keeps dancing for the anti-vex COVID conspiracists.
He doesn't serve much of a profitable purpose.
Fuck this dude.
jordan holmes
What other kind of law is he going to practice?
Come on.
dan friesen
Sovereign citizen maritime law?
jordan holmes
I mean, like, what are you talking about?
dan friesen
Right, he'd find some other flashy-ass grift to get involved in, threatening to make these lawsuits that never go anywhere.
We've seen a hundred of this archetype come by.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Also...
Wren said that she's Stanford-educated, but she actually went to Samford University.
Fun fact, they were founded in 1841 and admitted their first black student 126 years later.
jordan holmes
Ooh, right on time!
dan friesen
That said, though, it's not a bad school.
It's ranked number 65 on the list of pharmacy schools in the United States, which is better than Stanford, who doesn't have a pharmacy program.
jordan holmes
It would be very difficult for them to have a ranking.
dan friesen
But he said Stanford.
I went back and listened to it a couple times because it does sound similar, but he definitely said Stanford.
jordan holmes
There was a T in there.
Well, that's because I get it.
dan friesen
Because he thinks she went to Stanford.
jordan holmes
And that's a more prestigious school, at least colloquially known, and I understand that.
dan friesen
But meanwhile, Stanford is actually a good school if you know pharmacy stuff, which I didn't know until I looked into it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But also, there's 64 better schools.
jordan holmes
No, the first college I went to was Butler.
It has one of the most high-rated pharmacy schools there.
dan friesen
I went to Mizzou.
It was one of the best journalism schools in the country.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this.
dan friesen
I didn't take a single journalism class.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it means to be an...
Extremely high-qualified pharmacist.
dan friesen
Right.
And he's saying, like, she's one of the best pharmacists I've ever met.
How many pharmacists have you met?
jordan holmes
I mean, is there a pharmacy competition?
Is there rankings?
Are there specific things that you can as a pharmacist?
dan friesen
I'm guessing it just means that she's a pharmacist that says stuff that lines up with what he wants pharmacists to say.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand inflating jobs like that.
Like, I get, you know, an extremely qualified rower.
dan friesen
Everything is the most prestigious.
It's all the biggest network.
Yeah, but some stuff is just...
jordan holmes
She's a good pharmacist.
You can be a good pharmacist.
dan friesen
No, she's the best.
I have no idea if any of the stuff that these people are saying is true.
I have no idea if she was fired for cause or because she wanted a religious exemption for this hospital policy.
I have no idea.
However...
If I know the pawn Tom Wren swims in, this will result in nothing past sensational-ass headlines, but hopefully the doctors at Ascension in Alabama, where she said she worked, sue them for outrageous slander.
I was wondering, at this point in the episode, I was wondering why the headline was for the 139 hospitals.
And it turns out, like I said, that's how many are run by Ascension.
They're literally accusing the Ascension network of hospitals of all having kill floors.
Based on what I can only describe very generously as paltry evidence.
jordan holmes
And let me tell you something.
If you're concerned, legally...
About the definition of malice.
You have to prove actual malice.
My friends, you have a lawsuit that is the best.
dan friesen
Well, no.
You have to prove actual malice when you're talking about public figures.
If you're talking about this doctor, no one knows who this doctor is.
He's not a public figure.
You are clearly hurting his reputation in a way that is...
Damaging to his life.
Being a murderer.
Being called a murderer.
jordan holmes
I would say that's probably going to reflect badly on his permanent record.
dan friesen
A mass murderer.
Conceivably, if the breakdown is accurate, having killed 15,000 people, one of the most prolific murderers of all time.
jordan holmes
And then to stop and think about it really is like...
The idea of if the society that these people want goes the way that it wants, they'll write the histories that reflect what they want it to be.
This guy could, a thousand years from now, he's the greatest mass murderer that anybody has ever known.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, he killed more than Genghis Khan.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes.
He killed everybody of COVID.
Jesus.
dan friesen
I would assume that also you'd be able to see ridiculously huge payments being made to him based on the other elements of their conspiracy theory.
So I guess that's a paper trail they definitely don't have.
jordan holmes
It's like the Powerball.
You don't get a lump sum payment, you know?
dan friesen
So there's one piece of evidence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That has been presented publicly.
Yes.
And it is an approximately minute-long recording of the pharmacist and this nurse talking.
jordan holmes
Was it consensual recording?
dan friesen
I see no evidence of it.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're in Project Veritas territory.
dan friesen
I believe it was surreptitiously recorded.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe not.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Maybe it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
But yeah, so here is Wren's describing this clip.
thomas renz
And I always have to, you know at this point, Alex, I quintuple verify everything times 10. That makes me believe you less.
That's 50. But she just so happened to record and document everything she did.
So she had recordings, she has paperwork, she has all sorts of things.
Amongst those recordings, there was a clip which I just released, and that clip is between her, remember, the doctor of pharmacy, and a nurse who works in the hospital.
And if you're going to play it, this would be the time, because it's shocking.
alex jones
Well, set it up for us.
Tell us what we're about to hear.
thomas renz
What you're about to hear is Adrini, the pharmacist, talking to a nurse.
And what they're talking about is, prior to this, Adrini had talked about how she'd been transferred, and they transferred her position for speaking out against what they were doing.
As part of the process, they transferred her, and they did everything they could to shut her up.
And so she says, you know, they transfer units politics.
This nurse says, starts talking about her floor.
Her floor.
And she says, what are we, hospice care?
And she says, you know, this doctor, he's killing patients.
He's telling us to kill the patients.
And she goes on to talk specifically.
There you go.
So we're killing the patient in this floor.
Because what he's asking us to do, the other floors don't want to do it.
The other floors don't want to do it.
You're right.
The other floors do not want to murder patients.
Shocking.
dan friesen
I think it might be more helpful to just play the clip instead of having this aspiring right-wing media star slash lawyer describe it.
Particularly because I've heard the clip and I don't think this is a fair assessment.
Someone might say that other floors don't want to do a particular treatment because they're treating different patients.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Maybe that particular floor was using ventilators to treat patients because they were the most severe cases, whereas other floors housed less severe cases for whom the idea of applying a ventilator isn't a consideration.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
Nothing in this clip is damning, and all of it could be explained by some context, which Renz doesn't provide and is just completely absent.
If Renz was serious about this case, he wouldn't be trying to litigate it on Infowars.
He'd be in a courtroom.
And if Renz was trying to have this case heard in the court of public opinion, and he was serious and had the goods, it'd be wise for him to start with something that's really definitive.
Seems to me like when you're a performer, you open strong.
And this is not it.
Also, keep in mind that this pharmacist is...
Look.
They're supposed to be the whistleblower.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But they're not a whistleblower here at all.
She recorded a conversation with a nurse who made a claim.
Wren should be getting that nurse to be helping out with this fake lawsuit instead of the person who overheard someone else make a claim.
jordan holmes
Seems like that would be the direct source.
dan friesen
Yeah, not a whistleblower.
Someone who talked to someone who is also not a whistleblower.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, this is why you have people...
You let people know if you're recording them.
You know, like, there's a contextual...
Hey, this doctor is killing my patients!
Is a...
Contextually within a certain group of people is...
It's meant very differently.
dan friesen
Could be talking shit.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can always be talking shit.
You can always be talking shit, but if you agree to go on record with somebody, then ostensibly you're going to go there, you're going to have an idea of what- You're going to take the words you're saying more seriously.
Yeah, exactly.
You're going to mean everything that you say directly instead of having to be like, no, I was having a bad day.
You know, like that's just, it's fucked up.
dan friesen
I should tell you, I've been recording this podcast.
jordan holmes
I know, and I've only ever had bad days.
dan friesen
So they play the clip, and the audio is not great, but you get a sense of it.
thomas renz
You know, remdesivir was absolutely poison in my mind.
I think it's absolutely a horrible, horrible drug that should have never been anywhere near a human being.
But one of the things that not many people are talking about, and this is your pro tip for any of the other attorneys that want to get into this.
Give other attorneys advice.
But if you look, you'll find the misuse of other drugs was very frequent.
Not every case, but known drugs, morphine, melazepam, all these.
alex jones
There was a big scandal in the U.K. They admitted that they basically killed people with it.
So let's go ahead and play this clip.
Here it is.
unidentified
I see.
Okay.
Are we supposed to go?
Was it listening?
she's saying that I'm not just a legal saving Real quick.
dan friesen
He added music to it, which makes it...
jordan holmes
I'm confused.
I assume that she did not also add the music to this surreptitious recording.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think so.
I don't think it's background music in the hospital where they're recording or whatever.
unidentified
This is local...
jordan holmes
Or like, this is soap opera music.
unidentified
So we are killing the patient at this floor.
Because that's what he's asking now.
Well, other floors don't want to do it.
Yeah.
I couldn't sleep at night.
I just, and then when that nurse practitioner, when you got the mission to do the morphine and you're like, she doesn't need it.
And I was just like, this is what I'm talking about.
It's not right.
They're okay.
They're okay.
They're comfortable.
They're comfortable.
We can tell when they're in pain.
We can tell when they're agitated.
You can tell when they are whatever.
That doesn't make that you keep giving them medication just to knock them out.
So that's how I get that's what you are doing.
I remember that day you were like, you got the other nurses to come in, and I'm just like, I know.
That's what they're doing.
alex jones
And the big thing I get told by all these top doctors is, especially with COVID, you gotta get up and move around.
dan friesen
Yeah, you gotta move around.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
So this means nothing.
That clip is a zero.
Honestly, like we even were sort of talking, it feels like a co-worker blowing off steam, not knowing that you're secretly recording them, only to use them to contribute to anti-vex conspiracy theorist profiteering.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'd be pissed.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would feel used.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But there's so much context that's missing from this.
Whatever they were talking about beforehand.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Renz has characterized, but I don't trust him.
Whatever they're talking about afterwards.
jordan holmes
The more he says, the less I believe.
dan friesen
Was the music added to help cover up cuts that were made?
Because that's certainly something people can do.
Also, Remdesivir is tough to fight in the courts because you have no evidence of your claims.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the reason.
That's the hot tip for other lawyers.
jordan holmes
Real tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's real tough.
dan friesen
It's tough to try cases when you're full of shit.
Also, you can see Alex lying about the UK sedative story again here, because this is all just a cavalcade of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just throwing it all out there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's just any number of explanations that make so much more sense than a killing floor.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For instance, like, hey, maybe this patient was asking for morphine when maybe they didn't need morphine.
Or, hey, maybe this doctor was saying, give him some more morphine when maybe they just needed to be leaving the doctor alone.
Maybe he was having a fucking day or whatever.
Like, I get it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All of these things are not a murder floor.
dan friesen
No, it's a murder floor.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, never mind.
dan friesen
And this is willful murder.
thomas renz
They're talking about murder.
And when the pharmacist said, I think this is a possibility, instead of them listening, they were thinking, They retaliate.
I mean, Alex...
This is evidence of willfulness, right?
Which means there is no immunity.
There's no immunity for willful actions, and it looks like that's what's happening here.
And what I would suggest is, and what I'm calling for, is I'm calling for the AG of Alabama, along with the local law enforcement, to start an investigation.
There needs to be a criminal investigation.
Was there murder committed in this hospital?
unidentified
And understand, hastening death.
thomas renz
Hastening death, it doesn't matter when that happens.
If you hasten death...
alex jones
It's murder.
thomas renz
How do you distinguish between that and murder?
To me, there's no difference.
So we've got the lawsuit with my client, who's been trying to bring this forward, who tried to bring this to the hospital's attention.
alex jones
Stay there.
Stay there and talk around.
Because here's the key.
Not just for the victims, for justice, but they're going to do it again.
We've got to expose them before they do it again.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So they have not had any investigation done and are calling for the AG to open an investigation?
That translates to, I have no evidence and I'd like a government agency to do a fishing expedition for me, and if they refuse to, I can say that they're involved in the cover-up, so it's a win-win.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This isn't the behavior of a serious person, let alone a serious lawyer.
This is embarrassing shit.
Tom Renz and now Alex are accusing doctors at Ascension of willfully murdering patients, either as part of some sort of a globalist plot or for profit, but they have no victim.
They have a possibly disgruntled former employee who secretly recorded a co-worker saying something inflammatory that's devoid of context, and that's about it.
In terms of what's been produced.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not gonna do it.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
That's not gonna do it.
dan friesen
No, but it might get your ass sued.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
I'm hearing the Wolfgang Halbig sign go up and somebody being like, I'll investigate the hospital!
Dun-dun-dun!
And here we are again.
dan friesen
Because the AG is not going to open an investigation based on this paltry shit.
I've said paltry twice now.
jordan holmes
That's the amount of paltry that it is.
dan friesen
That's how furious I am.
jordan holmes
It is more paltry than it is than the definition of paltry.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
All right.
Listen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tom Renz can't prove shit.
thomas renz
These killing floors, I mean, it appears to me that this was not an uncommon thing.
Okay, so I can't prove.
jordan holmes
Appears.
thomas renz
I don't personally, and I saw that you had some stuff on this, Alex, and I'm going to be really eager to look at it as soon as we get off air.
I don't have the evidence to show that there was a killing floor in every hospital in the country, but it sure looks like it.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex jones
I was saying at the special hospitals, we know they shut down multiple floors, kicked out the regular doctors.
There were different variants.
So when I say killing floor, yeah.
dan friesen
So that clip is really important, I think, because, you know, it shows something.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Shows that maybe that 139 number is Alex.
Maybe Tom Renz is just coming in with this recording that he has of this doctor who is at Ascension.
And Alex has expanded this to all of the Ascension network.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because in this interview, at least, and the direct stuff that Renz had in that clip...
There isn't the 139 number.
That's just from Infowars headlines.
So Alex may actually be taking this and embellishing it and making it his own in terms of what might be legally actionable against him.
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
Ah, man.
dan friesen
Learning.
jordan holmes
Hard.
dan friesen
Also, when you say, I can't prove something, like...
Shut up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you can end a sentence there.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you're a lawyer intending to try an actual lawsuit around the thing you can't prove, it's probably best not to spend your time going on stupid-ass conspiracy radio shows spouting off about the thing you can't prove and how you're so sure about it, but it's just a matter of finding this elusive proof.
That makes you sound like a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think a judge reading that brief would be like, I just watched a clip of you saying that you have no evidence.
dan friesen
And you can't prove shit.
jordan holmes
I'm going to dismiss this with malice.
dan friesen
So he starts talking here more about how he can't prove stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
And then he gets distracted.
thomas renz
So, right, I'm an attorney, and I always do this for your audience and everybody else.
I always distinguish between what I can prove with court-type evidence and what I believe.
I'm going to tell you outright, based on a ton of evidence that I have that I don't think quite gets to the level of proof.
dan friesen
No shit.
thomas renz
But certainly strongly suggests to me, this was, I mean, anyone with common sense would say this is a very, it was planned, it was happening all over, they were doing this everywhere.
I mean, you get the exact same thing happen.
You know, Alex, when I was getting these thousands and thousands of calls, and literally one of the hardest periods of my life.
To have person after person call me and die and die and die and die, and I couldn't save them all.
When this was happening, you know it got to the point where someone had called me, I put up the phone, okay, how long have they been in the hospital?
Okay, eight days.
What are their kidney numbers?
What is the respiration?
Are they on the vet?
How long have they been on that vet?
I could ask a series of questions, and I could tell you and predict with 90-plus percent reliability, despite the fact that I'm not a doctor, how many days they had before they were dead.
And that's all over the country, because the same murder protocol, the same factory death project was done everywhere in the country.
These people, they followed the law.
They followed the incentives.
They followed the money, they followed the plan, and the plan was to kill people.
We incentivized, and still to this day, the laws have not been changed, by the way.
We have laws on the book that incentivize not the recovery from COVID, but the killing with COVID.
If you have COVID and you die, the hospital gets more money.
jordan holmes
What law?
dan friesen
Medicare reimbursement.
thomas renz
If you get COVID and the hospital cures you, you get more money.
They needed to drive up death numbers to push vaccines, in my opinion.
That's what I think this was all about.
I think it's, you know, anyone with common sense can see this, and I'm just working on getting it where I've got enough evidence to make it work in a court of law.
alex jones
Well, I notice the globalists always sit on multiple fronts.
They need a bunch of death numbers that aren't really happening, so kill people and set the precedent to be able to kill people.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, all over the place.
I love this clip because if you really map it, like you're diagramming a sentence, you start with him saying, look, I can't prove shit.
jordan holmes
Can't say, I don't know anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I can't, look, I'm, you know, I can't prove it.
jordan holmes
I've got a lot of guesstimations.
dan friesen
Then he gets distracted talking about how great he is at predicting deaths.
jordan holmes
He's great at predicting.
dan friesen
Although he's not a doctor.
jordan holmes
Frankly, he's a COVID expert at this point.
dan friesen
Then he transitions out of that into making sensational ass claims that earlier he was...
Caveating that he can't prove.
jordan holmes
Can't prove anything.
dan friesen
But he's saying them very definitively here at the end.
This is disgraceful behavior for a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Listen, I can't prove anything.
But...
Common sense tells me that hundreds of doctors around this country all agreed to murder hundreds of thousands of people in order to get a small amount of money per murder.
dan friesen
And to help the globalists scare people into getting vaccines.
jordan holmes
Common sense.
dan friesen
Common sense.
jordan holmes
What idiot would try and complicate it?
dan friesen
Everyone's motivations make total sense.
jordan holmes
It's perfect.
dan friesen
It's like a puzzle that fits together.
jordan holmes
It's the only thing that fits all of the needs.
dan friesen
Honestly, you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'd be crazy.
dan friesen
This guy, I hope he gets fucking disbarred.
jordan holmes
That's absurd.
dan friesen
Anyway, he has another theory about COVID, and it was meant to take things like the military and the hospital system and get the good people out, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
thomas renz
You look at the military.
You look at the military.
When they started poisoning vaccines and this, that, and other, what they did was the best and the brightest in the military quit.
They're gone.
So they're left with whatever was willing to just go along to get along.
In the same way, I think we saw the same thing with doctors and hospitals, right?
alex jones
It was a test.
It was a purge.
Bingo.
thomas renz
Yeah, the good doctors and the good nurses left.
And that ties into the Operation Nightingale stuff, right?
Because you have all these doctors and nurses quitting.
Either they didn't want to get the vaccine or they didn't want to murder patients, so the good ones all quit.
Creates a huge shortage.
So how do you fill that?
Well, you fill that with crappy doctors and nurses who are willing to do whatever they need to to sell out.
alex jones
Just following orders.
thomas renz
Just following orders.
We've got to purge the free thinkers and get those that will just follow orders at any and all costs.
And that's exactly what was happening in health care.
dan friesen
Now, this is just entirely made up.
It's just Wren's freestyling.
He has zero evidence of anything he's saying.
This is just a storyline he's constructed to make the diploma scam from Florida fit into his larger conspiracy world.
There's no evidence at all that this is anything other than a diploma scam, which happens a lot.
There are a ton of people who want to take shortcuts.
You don't want to have to go to the school to get the degree?
Take a shortcut.
People love it.
People love shortcuts.
Consider Tom Wrens and how he latched on to COVID conspiracy.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's easier.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Make a name for yourself, grinding it out, winning cases.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
You know, like, starting comedy, you've seen more than once.
You know, you're doing stand-up, you're coming along, you've got some time, you've put things together, you've worked about five, six years, and then you see somebody who's a year or two in.
Just catches the right wave, and you're going, oh, fuck them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a shortcut.
I wish I could have taken that shortcut a little bit.
dan friesen
That's a little different.
jordan holmes
But also, I wish I could have taken that shortcut.
dan friesen
That's a little different, I think, because that's not always a shortcut.
Sometimes people just have an undeniable talent that is organic.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, no, I'm speaking of specific.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, I've seen people who catapulted into stardom because they're fucking great.
dan friesen
You're thinking of one person they're really still mad at.
jordan holmes
No, I'm thinking of one person who catapulted into stardom who is fucking genius.
dan friesen
So anyway, Renz has another theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On a side issue.
And this is really him showing his cards a little bit.
As if he hasn't already shown pretty much all of his cards.
alex jones
Tell me what else is on your COVID radar.
thomas renz
Biggest thing I would love to talk to next is something called ModRNA.
I don't know if you've heard of that, but I need to talk about that because it ties in with the food supply.
You know, I've been doing a bunch of work on the food supply.
Why?
jordan holmes
Stop.
thomas renz
I found this.
I'm just finding this, and I really would love to break it and make it go viral right here because this is how.
They're spreading disinformation about the fact they say, well, we can't make mRNA work in the food supply.
It's a lie, and I think I figured out how they're doing it.
dan friesen
Oh, you think?
You think that?
This is kind of too obvious of an illustration of what this asshole is all about.
He has some half-cooked theory that he has no evidence of, something about RNA in food, and instead of proving it or even giving a single shit about the veracity of what he's saying, he wants to get it out there on Infowars, because he wants it to go viral.
That's what's important.
It's attention-seeking shit.
It seems like a pattern, because it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I just can't imagine wanting to hire a lawyer who says, you know, I've been working on the food supply a lot lately.
dan friesen
Oh, you're getting into farming?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Wait, what do you mean?
jordan holmes
So there's DNA in your farming.
And it's mod RNA.
Now, I'm the type of person who tells you right up front if I can prove or disprove something.
dan friesen
Oh, I like that.
jordan holmes
I can't prove any of this.
dan friesen
Oh, I don't like that.
jordan holmes
Now, I can tell you it's true.
100% true.
I can't prove it.
dan friesen
Can I see your degree?
jordan holmes
I failed a few times.
dan friesen
Let me see those test results.
jordan holmes
I don't think you want to do that.
dan friesen
So this guy sucks.
I fucking hate Tom Renz.
jordan holmes
This is the worst.
I'm a better doctor than COVID doctors.
I'm a better food supply analyst than food supply analyst.
dan friesen
I will say one thing, to his credit, and it's not to his credit.
But I think that I prefer him to Steve Kirsch, you know, in terms of these COVID conspiracists.
And that is because he makes me feel something.
I actually hate him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I hate him too.
dan friesen
Steve Kirsch bored me with his nonsense substack posts and incessantly being wrong about COVID stuff.
I actually really resent...
Tom Renz, and I feel like I would rather have something that kind of gives me a charge of some feeling rather than just going through knee-high mud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You would prefer the Cat of Nine Tails when you flagellate.
dan friesen
Compared to what?
Like a spatula?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I suppose.
Yeah, something along those lines.
dan friesen
If you have to break my skin with something, I would rather it be sharp so it gets the job done than a spatula.
alex jones
We're going to be here all day.
jordan holmes
We're going to take all day.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I guess that metaphor works.
So now we've got another guy I fucking hate.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex has another guest.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
Why?
alex jones
And we are joined by the great Stu Peters right now, StuPeters.com, syndicated talk show host, and absolutely kicking butt out there, exposing the globalists.
I want to get into some of the reports he's done about the latest videos of the globalists.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Okay.
There's a globalist high priest now?
dan friesen
So Stu Peters is doing a lot of things, but kicking butt is not one of them.
Do you know this cat?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He's a big old talk show host.
A lot of people talked about him as like the next Alex Jones.
There's been an idea in my head possibly about doing some episodes about him, but he's just, I don't know.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
It's interesting in a way that this interview is happening, because many people, like I said, have compared Stu to Alex Jones, and I don't think the comparison is too off.
He lacks a lot of the charisma that Alex has, and Stu can't just ramble about nothing for an hour like Alex can, but there are some similarities.
They're both insane right-wing extremists who are obsessed with the devil.
They both make a living skimming headlines and then amplifying and worsening whatever idiotic shit is popular on conspiracy-leaning.
social media, but their similarity, the other one, is that Stu Peters is a bit of a filmmaker, like Alex used to be.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
Many people have heard of his film Died Suddenly, which is a load of shit attempt at a documentary that argues that people are dying suddenly from the COVID vaccine.
That movie was so bad and poorly researched that even some COVID conspiracy theorists have panned it.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
One of his main sources in that film is frequent past Infowars guest and substack idiot Steve Kirsch.
Also, fun fact, Stu has contended as recently as this month that NFL player Damar Hamlin is an example of someone who died suddenly, despite the fact that Hamlin is very much still alive.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Hamlin...
dan friesen
Yeah, when pressed on it, he told the BBC, quote, I don't know if it's a body double.
I don't know if it's a deep fake.
jordan holmes
Huge standing ovation.
Huge, hundreds of thousands of people.
Standing ovation every time.
Okay.
dan friesen
Stu is an idiot, but he's an idiot who commits to the bit.
I will say that.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you're going to continue saying that after you've found out that he's still alive, you might as well go for it.
dan friesen
Prior to that film, Peters had made the movie Watch the Water, which claimed that COVID vaccines were made from snake venom, which the evil forces in the world wanted to put inside you so that you would become a, quote, hybrid of Satan.
jordan holmes
That sounds cool.
dan friesen
Obviously, this got a lot of attention, but now is roundly mocked.
Steve's main source for that film was passed in for his guest, Brian Artis.
And before that, he made a QAnon-ass film called These Little Ones, which covers the topic of child trafficking with the level of seriousness and discipline you would expect from someone like Stu.
It's trash, and about half of it seems to be about Isaac Cappy, the guy whose story about having dinner with Seth Green was so boring, even Alex told him his shit was weak when they had an interview.
jordan holmes
That was bad.
That was so bad, I do remember the story about Seth Green's dinner.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was bad.
People to me needed to talk about chicken, and it was at a time when Seth Green was making robot chicken.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely!
dan friesen
Chicken's code, man.
So Stu and Alex share this trait, though.
They are both people who are willing to just shovel out content that is immediately debunked and embarrassing, but they pretend that shit never happened in service of moving on to trying to build up excitement for the next thing.
They're in the sensationalism business, not in the business of making something that stands up to any scrutiny.
Stu Peters is a shithead from way back.
I found a great article in Mother Jones by Kira Butler that laid out a lot of his history, and what a history he's had.
As is the case with most of these right-wing dum-dums, Stu is an entertainment industry failure who's not totally super mad that they weren't good enough to make it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
This path is legitimately wild that he had.
From this Mother Jones piece, quote, Sounds right.
in an effort to land a part in a short film he was working on.
Stewart was welcomed into the governor's inner circle.
In fact, according to a 2002 AP report, he lived in the governor's mansion until a background check revealed that Stewart wasn't the Hollywood insider he claimed to be.
unidentified
Wild.
dan friesen
According to this AP report, the police felt that Stu didn't pose any threat to anyone, but quote, Yeah, that sounds about right.
So he's a guy with a bunch of active warrants, went to Minnesota, made friends with the governor's son to get into a short film.
jordan holmes
We were all young once.
unidentified
What a level of fraud.
jordan holmes
That's bold!
Bold to do to the governor.
That's power.
I like that.
dan friesen
So after they had that falling out, he tried to become a rapper, which surprisingly didn't work.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that.
dan friesen
Then he became a bail bondsman and made more of an impact in that field than rap, for sure.
As it turns out, Stu made a habit of dressing in ways that were very similar to cops, although he was not a cop.
The Goodhue County Sheriff told the AP in 2015 that, quote, Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Every day Joe is going to mistake one of our squad cars as a law enforcement vehicle.
My question is, so what?
In today's climate of law enforcement, there are two sides, the good guys and the bad guys.
We're the good guys.
Minnesota did not agree, and partially because of Stu, they passed a state law forbidding bail bondsmen from, quote, using certain colored uniforms or vehicles with emblems that the public might mistake for law enforcement.
There was also a slight concern that Stu was posting a lot of his exploits on social media and YouTube and may have been trying to get himself a reality TV show, which seems like something he would do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds like maybe the only thing he would do.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a shithead who's desperate for attention and it's pretty consistent.
His bounty hunting career may have ended because he was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in 2021 after his wife called the cops, quote, saying he had come home drunk and was throwing things around the house.
He's totally full of shit, desperate for attention, and seems to have a history of domestic violence.
In other words, he's a perfect fit for Alex's corner of the right-wing media.
Fits in there.
Like a glove.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you'd think people would notice that they are so similar in so many things.
dan friesen
But he doesn't have a beard.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So from there, he started his online talk show and has found an audience with a bunch of QAnon folks and, you know, that sort of element.
And he hits a lot of the same beats as Alex, quite frankly.
Christian fanaticism, white genocide fears, anti-vax misinformation.
They're two peas in a pod.
They're just two shitty peas in a shitty pod.
jordan holmes
Knowing that, why would you believe anything Stu Peters says?
Even about...
What you ostensibly agree with him about.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He's lying to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even if he's telling you the truth, he's lying to you.
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
He's a liar.
dan friesen
Who lies?
He made a movie about COVID vaccines being snake venom.
jordan holmes
I know, but this goes way back.
He doesn't care.
He's lying to you.
dan friesen
Of course.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How do people trust people who do that?
dan friesen
It's a partnership of convenience.
They're just trying to consolidate some sort of power and, you know, scam their audience.
That's basically what they're doing.
Who cares if you can trust this person or not?
They work for right now.
Stu Peters has an audience.
He has a sizable audience, and Alex probably wants some of it.
jordan holmes
Well, I know, but I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
How does the audience find him and not go like...
Oh, well obviously.
dan friesen
He's pretty emotional and angry in his delivery a lot of the time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he talks in a way that is meant to be a facsimile of intelligence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so I think a lot of people get swept up in that emotionality of it and the appearance of knowing what he's talking about.
Yep.
Anyway, they want to put...
They would put the FBI in Guantanamo Bay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, get them!
alex jones
I don't want to go to war with the FBI for no reason, but it is totally captured.
The Justice Department is totally captured.
But the good news is, America's waking up that there is a coup.
We have an occupational government.
Literally, we're an occupied nation by the globalists.
thomas renz
Yeah, and I mean, I don't want to go to war with the FBI either.
I just want to completely defund them and completely abolish them and arrest most of its agents.
I mean, these people are a criminal enterprise.
And when you have a terrorist network, they need to be designated and classified and deemed to be a terrorist network, and then they need to be treated accordingly, which means that you need to arrest them, and thank God that Obama didn't make good on his promise to close Gitmo because we've got plenty of room to house these people.
I mean, these are high crimes.
This is open declaration of war against Americans, and it's being perpetuated.
alex jones
Well, I totally agree with you that we should put the leadership of the FBI in Gitmo, and I'm not an apologist to FBI.
dan friesen
Wow.
Okay.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
The FBI needs to be classified as a terrorist organization and put in Guantanamo Bay.
This is such a funny betrayal of Alex's original brand.
He spent years, fairly, and I don't think that he was necessarily wrong on certain points, but the idea of it, he wasn't totally wrong about it.
He was just screaming about holding citizens at Guantanamo Bay.
There was a single case of it, which he obviously exaggerated into.
Far, far more, but he made such a huge deal out of it.
Now Alex wants to start throwing his political enemies, who are U.S. citizens, into Gitmo.
Just a complete fraud.
No moral center to this guy at all.
Just blowing in the wind.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that is one of those things where...
It's like this guy.
Why would anybody ever trust Obama on fucking anything?
He said he was going to close that shit, and look at here we are.
Ah, fuck us.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Fuck us!
Fuck Biden!
Fuck them all!
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Sick of this.
dan friesen
I understand some of those feelings, but I don't think that we should put the FBI and Gitmo.
jordan holmes
I am not...
Not...
Again, I don't think Gitmo should exist.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, I will hold off on any other comments.
dan friesen
I don't think...
I don't think that the FBI should be doing some of the things that it does.
I agree there.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a long jump from there to arrest them, designate them as a terrorist organization, and put them in Gitmo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, also, if you're going to start there from your point of view, then you have said that if I designate somebody as a terrorist group, I am then, I suppose...
Obligated to arrest them and put them in Guantanamo Bay, right?
dan friesen
Which they presumably should be opposed to.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Strongly.
jordan holmes
Especially since they have been classified as terrorist groups, some of them.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Stu feels the same way as Alex, and that is that these globalists, they're coming for the West, and he means white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
thomas renz
They cannot be referred to as an elite police force anymore that does anything to uphold the rule of law here.
They actually do the opposite.
They subvert the rule of law.
alex jones
Do you think they've realized how much they're discredited and destroyed or they live in their own little Obama bubble where they still think they have power?
thomas renz
What?
The answer to that is I don't think they care.
I think that the hubris and the arrogance is just right out in the wide open.
These people are running a coup that is taking over the entire West, and they are destroying civilization.
Tom Renz talking about altering the DNA of people.
This is open declaration of war against freedom and liberty, and they are coming for all of the superpowers in the West.
They're coming for Christianity.
They're coming for the white replacement.
This is all real.
None of this has been conspiracy theory, and they're carrying it out right now.
alex jones
Yeah, the UN says it's white replacement, and the ADL says, arrest you.
Will you cover it?
The ADL still says the Bilderberg Group doesn't exist.
While it's on the news, Bilderberg Group to save you from AI.
dan friesen
They don't say the Bilderberg group doesn't exist.
jordan holmes
Is this, like, how they talk to each other in real life, too?
Do they just, like, say soundbites they agree with each other back and forth?
dan friesen
God, that's gotta be exhausting.
jordan holmes
It's so tiring.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I bet they do.
I mean, I wouldn't imagine there's that much more to them than this.
unidentified
I mean, yeah, but I mean, none of that is cogent.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's just a continuous, like, bang, bang, bang, bang, this is something, this is something, this is something.
dan friesen
Dude, wait till later.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
If you want incoherent, there's more coming.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
What was his point?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What was he trying to say?
dan friesen
The globalists are coming for white people?
jordan holmes
That's what he was trying to say?
dan friesen
I think so.
That's what I heard.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, look.
Stu Peters is a guy who has a lot of QAnon-type beliefs.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
You have this child-trafficking, adrenochrome, Isaac Cappy-ass documentary.
You have a second documentary that's about COVID vaccines having snake venom.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, it's a bunch of bullshit, and a lot of it is quite QAnon-adjacent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
However, in this next clip...
He just complains a bunch about Q. He hates Q. Oh, okay.
thomas renz
They tell us to be pacified, to do absolutely nothing, that a man is riding in on a white horse to save this country.
No, do not rise up.
This oppressive government will take care of itself.
The Constitution means nothing.
Your inherent, God-given, inalienable rights, they'll be restored.
Just wait because there's all kinds of white hats.
You know, these people have been executed.
They've gone to Gitmo.
There's secret operations being run all over the place.
Trust the plan.
Don't be the plan.
Trust the plan.
And this is how they chilled patriotism and then set up January 6th in order to put people in jail and put the fear of God into people.
Don't you ever think about rising up against this tyrannical government that is ushering in full authoritarian rule, complete absence of the rule of law, which is the only recipe.
You know, ingredient that is required.
alex jones
And don't forget that you said that Biden would be removed on January 20th at the inauguration, and that fear was used to put troops to the Capitol.
So it's both used to manipulate the public and manipulate the military.
thomas renz
We actually clamor for it.
We beg for it.
We demand a hole in our heads when they suggest that we might need one.
Help me!
You know, Brian Williams and Katie Couric told me I need to onboard this bioweapon.
I need to go inject myself.
So I demand that you give it to me right now.
I mean, they turned us into a bunch of Karens overnight.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
I mean, look.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
This is another kind of one of those moments where I'm just listening to this and I'm like, grow up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you talking about?
dan friesen
He seems to be operating off an assumption that QAnon was being done to people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to people...
We're believing in this dumb conspiracy hoax that he clearly was also involved in believing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
And promoting.
Yeah.
And so...
jordan holmes
They feel stupid because they got had.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you were dumb because you got had.
dan friesen
Because you desperately wanted to be had because you wanted...
jordan holmes
Like you described there!
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
And also, Alex, I mean, do we really want to go into all the times that he said that Biden would be dead before the inauguration and all this stuff?
jordan holmes
I don't think it's a good idea.
dan friesen
Or how, yeah, Biden was going to be killed or he was going to step down so Hillary could come in or Michelle Obama and all this bullshit.
Get the fuck off it.
You cannot attack QAnon.
jordan holmes
People in this world are very fond of Bible verses and the like.
And there is one point where Jesus is like, hey, you know.
Before you remove a splinter from somebody else's eye, you should take that giant fucking log out of your face, right?
The log is bigger than I have ever seen it in this man's face.
dan friesen
It's quite big.
jordan holmes
How could he even see...
He can't see anything in the way of this gigantic log.
dan friesen
He can see one thing.
jordan holmes
The log!
dan friesen
Well...
There's a sign on that log.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And it says, we're in the fucking end times.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
That's a rough sign.
dan friesen
Rough log.
alex jones
This was a football game.
What quarter are we in?
Are we losing?
Are we winning?
jordan holmes
What is this?
thomas renz
I know, and you've asked me that before, and I would tell you...
That biblically speaking, we are in the fourth quarter.
I mean, we are in the end times.
There's nothing that we can do to stop what is coming.
Jesus Christ is coming back.
And we're down four with three minutes left to play.
We are seeing the deception that we were promised that we were going to see.
We are seeing the trials and tribulations.
I don't think that we have seen a fraction of the death that we're about to see.
I think that things are going to get a lot tougher because, remember, everybody has to wake up.
And if there is only a fraction or a small portion, which is now rapidly growing, of people who are awake to what's happening around them, and those people have to still wake up, which is the majority of people, then it's going to take calamities.
It's going to take major...
Major death, major destruction, and, you know, God said that it was coming, and so, I mean, obviously, He is the only source of truth that you can rely on 100%.
alex jones
Is there any denial that we are entering the end times?
Even if you don't believe in God, they took that and made it a battle plan.
We are literally entering into one world government, one world currency, taking over our bodies, destroying our families, mass death.
I mean, there's no doubt that hell has been released.
dan friesen
We're not entering into that.
You already said we're there like a year ago.
jordan holmes
We've been in the end times for so long.
dan friesen
This is exhausting.
It's so stupid.
jordan holmes
I am so tired of the end times not ending.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, if they don't end the end times soon, I'm going to be pissed.
dan friesen
I'd be fine.
I mean, like, they should do anything.
They could start.
unidentified
Yeah!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Like, do the end times then!
I'm now, you've pushed me so far, I just want to go one way or the other.
I don't even have a dog in this fight.
dan friesen
Here's the nefarious part of the globalist end time plan.
For 20 years, they don't do anything.
It starts, and then there's nothing.
jordan holmes
And then there's nobody doing anything.
That's their biding their time part of the plan.
dan friesen
So I told you there would be some incoherence coming.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This next clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, did we not already get to it?
dan friesen
No.
thomas renz
That would be completely destructive to the entire deep state cabal that is running roughshod on our country right now is if the majority of the people who were awake actually got organized and then got active.
So they have to develop this whole playbook.
Which basically is disaggregation initiatives.
They need to keep us divided amongst ourselves.
jordan holmes
You've developed political parties.
thomas renz
They need veterans and the military to look at the sovereign citizens with suspicion.
They need law enforcement to see the true old keepers as if they're domestic terrorists.
They need to keep the Second Amendment activists on their heels with constant push for gun grabbing.
They need to have the conservative and the populists and the Christians divided over.
Whether so-called Christian nationalism is a good thing or a bad thing...
jordan holmes
I don't think we're divided.
thomas renz
You know, America first, Republicans divided with...
You know, establishment fossils in the GOP and then, you know, rising firebrands like Marjorie Taylor Greene going to war with, you know, people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez when basically they're running the same role just on different sides of the aisle.
I mean, the whole thing is a movie.
It's all pro wrestling.
It's all 100% freaking fake.
and they need the school kids and their parents to stay reliant on schools so they have homosexual kid-grabbing, you know, trans-promoting Fox News pundits telling people to leave our school boards and go fight with your school boards.
And this is okay to be in your classroom.
alex jones
It's all divine Congress.
Stu Peters is on fire.
jordan holmes
That's just a list.
That's a list of lies.
That's just a list of things.
dan friesen
Some of it's not even lies because they're just words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, exactly.
No, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
There's no truth value to something.
It's just...
It's free association.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is!
It's totally...
This is so...
Undisingenuous.
Because it's just him, like, rapid-fiery, coming off with, he might as well be reading a listicle from fucking Cracked or whatever.
dan friesen
You might notice that he doesn't like MTG, and that's something that's worth noting, I guess.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't care who they like and don't like.
That guy is unable to say words right.
dan friesen
But you can get the feeling of it, right?
jordan holmes
Right.
But I don't want the feeling of it.
I have plenty of feelings.
dan friesen
Some people do want that.
jordan holmes
They can have their own feelings?
dan friesen
Right.
And they get them from him.
jordan holmes
Don't get his feelings.
His feelings are bad feelings.
dan friesen
So, one thing, we talked a little bit earlier about Alex's primary brand early on.
Being very against people.
jordan holmes
Above the left-right paradigm.
I am all about freedom.
dan friesen
And one of the things that he was pretty insistent on is all this politics and elections and stuff.
It's all theater.
jordan holmes
Right.
Just like we heard.
dan friesen
And Alex has betrayed that in the present day.
He's lost that edge.
Now, Stu Peters...
Has it?
jordan holmes
He's still there.
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
jordan holmes
He's lying about it because, of course, he is exactly the same way that Alex was, but now he's got it.
dan friesen
Well, but he's at least a little bit more insistent in it.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't like that at all because, first of all, it kind of reminds anybody who's listening consciously at all of who Alex used to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then, also, it's just a bad position for Alex to be in at this point.
alex jones
And I get what he's saying about, at this point, he sees it all as staged.
Well, that's a healthy way to see it, because most of it is staged.
But people say Stu Peters is an operative.
I don't think he is.
They say I'm an operative.
I'm an operative of freedom.
There are good people.
There may be good people that are unwittingly tied into agendas, but I really see us waking up.
Now, I don't trust Elon Musk.
Let me answer this question.
I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm just saying it's a very subtle thing.
I don't trust him.
He's involved in the lower satellites and the self-driving cars, the electric cars and brain chips and all of it.
But I can't disagree with the devastating things he's saying against the New World Order and coming out against George Soros.
But then he puts a WEF task force person in over the company.
But if you look at the weight of it, overall, he's starting to do more good than bad.
Now, does he see Liberty winning and he's hedging his bets?
Or is it a deeper sigh off?
I mean, I think that's the way to look at this.
If it's all staged, well, that means we're staged.
I mean, I don't think that's...
I think that's probably an overstatement, but I think you say in the main it's staged.
I would agree with that.
But what do you think of Elon Musk?
thomas renz
I mean, it's really hard to trust a person who wants to implant chips into everyone's brains and then control their actions and their thoughts.
dan friesen
Well said.
jordan holmes
I mean, we have strong disagreements over why we shouldn't...
Trust Elon, but if you get there, you get there.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, take Elon Musk out of the equation.
I agree with the statement that it's tough to trust someone who wants to put chips in brains.
jordan holmes
I agree.
It is tough to trust.
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
It's fascinating how desperately Alex needs to fit Elon Musk into some kind of a storyline.
Is he a good guy or a bad guy?
He says a bunch of bullshit that I like, so he must be good, but he put a WEF person in charge of Twitter, so maybe he's bad.
Maybe he's bad, but he says good things because he knows the Patriots are going to win, and he's trying to hedge his bets.
Or maybe he's...
This is a pathetic level of unnecessary explanation.
Elon Musk is an idiot who loves to talk shit.
He attacked George Soros on Twitter mysteriously just after Soros sold off all his Tesla stock.
He attacked the ADL after they complained about his attack on Soros.
It's pretty simple.
The only thing that complicates things is the delusion that Musk is a genius.
If you accept that premise, then his actions are a puzzle to solve.
But if you just recognize that he's a shithead with poor impulse control, everything comes into focus.
Everything makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I keep getting weirded out by this one because I feel like this is some deep evolutionary shit.
This goes back to apes or something because there's no way that we can, using our rational brains, think that...
No one should exist with a billion dollars.
It shouldn't happen.
No human being can handle that.
Human beings should not be okay with it.
If somebody has it, we should be interceding for their own good and others.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
But somehow he's instead a celebrity that people are like, what's he thinking?
dan friesen
Well, you know, there's a desire to see yourself in the position of someone who has billions of dollars.
unidentified
For sure.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
dan friesen
I think that that impulse, I don't know if it goes back to the apes, but it's something deep-rooted.
jordan holmes
It's something in there because there's no explanation.
dan friesen
The belief that that could be you.
Maybe hinders some people's ability to want to push for changes that would be better for everyone.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
I suppose, but I mean, but that's the thing.
Like, it's not being rich.
I get wanting to be rich.
Being rich is whatever.
If you want riches, go get riches.
He's not rich.
He's absurdly wealthy beyond imagination.
Right.
It's inconceivable how wealthy he is.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Just as a baseline, don't let anybody have inconceivable amounts of stuff.
dan friesen
Look, I agree with you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I'm just saying that instinct doesn't make that distinction.
jordan holmes
I know.
It's just insane.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
So Alex can't really handle the level to which Stu is saying things are staged.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And fake.
jordan holmes
It's a false flag.
dan friesen
Just about everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
thomas renz
Well, I guess when I say it's all staged, what I mean is the whole process of our government, the whole representative two-party system.
What happened there?
Did that go away?
alex jones
It's all right.
I'll get you back.
Keep going.
thomas renz
Yeah, so I mean, the whole representative two-party system, the whole constitutional republic, the idea of voting itself is completely fake.
You know, the whole premise of elections, the whole premise of Republicans are going to war with this guy and Democrats are, you know, really pushing back.
dan friesen
No, I totally agree.
alex jones
The Republicans are soft playing it.
They're not really winning.
They're rolling over.
They're pretending.
So what you're saying is the social contract is broken and the main talking points are 100% staged.
dan friesen
I don't believe that Alex doesn't understand what Stu is saying, yet he's rephrasing what Stu said completely inaccurately.
Stu is being very clear about what he means.
And Alex's takeaway from that is that the Republicans are being weak and that talking points are staged, whatever that means.
This isn't what Stu is saying, and I think there's two primary reasons Alex has to do that little sleight of hand for the audience.
The first is that Alex has now seen how ridiculously profitable it is to play around with partisan politics, particularly in intense general elections, one of which is coming up next year.
He may have started his career rejecting the two-party system as a sham and ignoring elections, but that...
So lucrative.
The second thing that I think is, Alex is smart enough to realize that if all politics is bullshit...
And we are currently living under an occupied government that plans to kill everyone?
Then there is no peaceful solution left.
There's literally no excuse he can give to not be involved in insurrection because, in essence, the Infowar is over.
Or, at very least, the Infowar is only useful as a recruitment tool and a propaganda arm for the people participating in the actual war, which would be an actual war.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex loves to play around with ideas that the war is right around the corner, but he desperately doesn't want it to actually be here because immediately his position.
disappears.
He knows that once shots start flying, he has to either urge people to be reasonable and not fight, which will likely get him branded as a traitor by his own community, or he has to emphatically support the insurgency, and I think he knows he would be arrested immediately in that situation.
Alex only has a state to exist in while the coming Civil War is inevitably right around the corner, yet never arriving.
Any other state of affairs is just not going to work.
For him.
It's a net negative.
jordan holmes
Alex only ascends when society's in decline.
When it collapses, Alex is fucked.
dan friesen
Right.
And that is a small part of the understanding of why Alex was cautioning people and yelling, like, don't go into the Capitol on January 6th.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking of that, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He needs to live in the point where it's about to happen.
But once shit actually happens that, like, is, you know, crossing the Rubicon, as it were.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't have value.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
It's a delight to live in a comfortable, lovely city with family and boats and shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not cool to, like, be on the front lines.
dan friesen
Yeah, which you would never be.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, we have one last clip here, and they finally get around to talking about Harari, the guru of the...
World Economic Forum.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The guy who Klaus Schwab listens to about eating bugs.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And so we're going to hear a little Harari clip and then Stu Peters being a dum-dum.
unidentified
Look at this guy.
The impact of the new AI tools that can mass produce political manifestos, fake news stories, and even holy scriptures for new cults.
In recent years, The politically influential QAnon cult has formed around anonymous online texts known as QDrops.
Now, followers of this cult, which are millions now in the US and the rest of the world, collected, reviewed, and interpreted these QDrops as some kind of new scriptures, as a sacred text.
Now, to the best of our knowledge, all previous QDrops We're composed by human beings, and both only helped to disseminate these texts online.
But, in future, we might see the first cults and religions in history whose revealed texts were written by a non-human intelligence.
And of course, religions throughout history claimed that their holy books We're written by a non-human intelligence.
This was never true before.
This could become true very, very quickly.
jordan holmes
Whoa, bro.
alex jones
Was it true before?
So let's expand on that.
jordan holmes
I knew it.
alex jones
I've got a key point on what you do.
jordan holmes
I knew it.
alex jones
Well, first, give me your take on this, and I've got my point.
thomas renz
Well, I mean, he said it all.
He said we're going to rewrite scriptures.
We're going to have AI that makes...
jordan holmes
He said it all.
thomas renz
...people into not only superhumans, but can actually turn them into gods.
And this is what they envision.
This is the eternal life that they think that they can create for themselves aside from, you know, drinking the blood of young children that they have used.
jordan holmes
You have no idea what they were talking about.
thomas renz
This is really seriously an issue when you have a criminal openly telling you that they are going to hijack the rest of your life and remove the human existence completely in an extinction-level event that will be replaced by AI bots and robots.
That is really shocking to listen to and people just say, you know, well, that guy is just crazy.
Everything that this guy says, he fully intends on carrying out.
Everything that these people say, the criminals are telling you what they have to do.
It's part of their satanic religion.
It's part of their devil horn worshipping that they have to tell you what their plan is.
They have to telegraph and project and tell you what they're about to do to abuse and to kill you and to take your kids and to snatch them up.
alex jones
And why do you think they metaphysically, Stu Peters, need to do that?
thomas renz
Well, I mean, that's what they're told that they have to do in order to honor their covenant with, you know, the devil, the real enemy, Satan.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Stu Peters believes in the cosmic nonsense intergalactic laws.
Yeah.
Nothing he said related at all to that clip.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He didn't listen or understand or learn anything about it.
dan friesen
No, the clip that played was somebody discussing a really interesting, maybe unforeseen possibility that comes with the AI being able to write all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
You know, there could be...
Something like Q-Drops that end up being created by artificial intelligence, and people will be essentially following a non-human intelligence in a way.
That's fascinating.
jordan holmes
That wouldn't be exactly what's going on.
They wouldn't be following a non-human intelligence.
It would be collated by a non-human intelligence, theoretically, if that's what he wants to describe it as.
But it's not an artificial intelligence that's creating a holy book.
dan friesen
At some point it might be.
jordan holmes
It's possible, but...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I suppose.
dan friesen
Right.
I get what you're saying now.
The things that it would be pulling from would still be human-derived.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I understand that...
As the current status quo and the near future.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But yeah, there is a possible time when there could be a sophisticated enough AI that it could create things like Q drops out of nowhere.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, I mean, if that's the case, I think we don't have to worry about anything anymore because the AI has already won.
dan friesen
I don't disagree that there's other things that would come along with it.
jordan holmes
The implications of that are so beyond reason.
dan friesen
I understand that.
The point, though, is that that clip is just sort of a futurist talking about interesting implications that may come along with the rise of technologies that are existing and are prevalent now.
The way that they responded to it.
And I would say that if they wanted to get mad at him saying that other holy books weren't derived from non-human intelligence, they could.
That could be something they could take issue with.
That would be a response where they could be mad and it would be responding to something that actually was said there.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
The rest of that shit was not...
Unrelated.
They might as well have played a completely different clip.
They might as well play no clip.
jordan holmes
I know.
I mean, it is one of those, like, Sometimes the starkness of their lack of curiosity is mind-blowing.
You know, whenever they pull that...
Because honestly, I started listening to that, and that guy's thoughts made me excited.
Like, oh, yeah, yeah, let's think about this.
Let's think about that.
How did this work?
I want to go learn more about how AI functions.
And these guys...
None of that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They're just like, that's because God.
It's insane.
dan friesen
It's even beyond a lack of curiosity in that sense.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
You're right.
Because it's like, okay, complaining about Harari is hot in the conspiracy world right now, so let's just take a clip and make up a bunch of shit about what he's saying.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
It's lazy and non-creative and pandering.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
God, it sucks.
That's the worst form of communication.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's what they do.
So look, man.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Present day sucks.
jordan holmes
Present day sucks.
dan friesen
But again, I mean, look, Stu Peters being around is kind of like a...
I don't think it's...
It's not his first time being on the show, but like, it is something that is not good.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The two of them, but...
Here's the other thing, though, too, is they're very similar.
So the two of them being together doesn't worry me as much as him and Steven Crowder.
Because they're very different in terms of their appeal and their demographics and stuff.
Stu Peters and Alex probably have a lot of overlap.
jordan holmes
I bet they could just sit and talk.
If they did a show together, I bet they could just sit and agree with each other's nonsense that has no relation to anything for hours.
dan friesen
Probably.
But...
I will say, I guess I appreciate that Tom Renz made me feel angry.
Because it's something.
jordan holmes
Here's what I appreciate.
dan friesen
It's sort of the present day where I'm just cold.
jordan holmes
Here's what I appreciate about Tom Renz.
I wrote down Lorenzo Lawmas for his blog.
dan friesen
So we'll be back.
jordan holmes
See, LAW.
dan friesen
I got it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Are you sure?
dan friesen
We'll let the audience decide on this one.
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
We don't need.
We don't need anybody to decide anything.
The decision was made.
Executive.
dan friesen
So we'll see you for another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I gotta come up with something new.
I'm tired of scatting already.
I don't really have that many rhythms.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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