Today, Dan and Jordan dip to the past to see some "Classic Alex." In this installment, Alex welcomes a bigot/father of a celebrity back to the show, and spends a whole lot of time complaining about a Presbyterian pastor he tricked into an interview.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, yes we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is, you know, I like those mini blocks, those little mini Legos and stuff. | ||
| I have a fish and an Easter Island head. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| A bonsai tree that I've made. | ||
| I decided, you know, it's May. | ||
| It's time to up the game. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As everyone does in May. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I decided to treat myself to one that I saw that was a Horizon Zero Dawn themed mini Lego kit. | ||
| And it's a 1200 piece. | ||
| Tall neck! | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| That looks really cool. | ||
| Well, the box just came, and so I haven't been able to build it yet or even start working on it, but I'm very excited. | ||
| I love... | ||
| It's kind of a soothing thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is nice to have. | ||
| Now you don't have any buttons, so you've got to put something together. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you've kind of got to focus, and the pieces are little tiny things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And yeah, so it's fun. | ||
| I didn't know they made a Horizon Lego thing. | ||
| Which is pretty neat. | ||
| That's really cool. | ||
| Yeah, neat, licensed... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that Horizon's a small game or anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it doesn't seem like the first... | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| But I mean, the designs are really cool. | ||
| The Horizon design work is just so distinctive and unique that it's like, yeah, I would grab that just because if there were no game, that's a fucking cool Lego thing, you know? | ||
| And I think a lot of the robots or the machines do lend themselves to a Lego form. | ||
| Transformer-ass machine things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, my bright spot is I'm excited to get down to work on that and see how long it takes. | ||
| Probably quite a while. | ||
| It probably could be a long time. | ||
| 1,200-piece tall neck. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is a while back. | ||
| A while back? | ||
| A while back. | ||
| My wife and I were having this conversation. | ||
| Because I had gotten her flowers for one of the holidays or whatever. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And I was like, why haven't you ever gotten me flowers? | ||
| And it just never occurred to her. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because of gender roles. | ||
| Gender norms. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And it's like, I've got tattoos of flowers on me. | ||
| Of course I'd love some flowers, right? | ||
| That'd be cool. | ||
| They smell great. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They brighten up the room. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They're fresh. | ||
| You should get some mini Legos of flowers. | ||
| Ah, that would be cool, too. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Can't smell them, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They'd have to be scratched instead. | ||
| You could spray them with something. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or put a diffuser. | ||
| Right in the middle of them. | ||
| See, now we're figuring things out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they don't die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, it's my birthday, and she surprised me with some flowers, and it was very, very cool. | ||
| They're these bright red, orange, yellow. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| They're beautiful. | ||
| That's very sweet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they smell great. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Also, happy birthday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Didn't want to... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Not my pig. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| See, we have different agendas, but we have different approaches to it. | ||
| You're pretty meh about your birthday, whereas I have... | ||
| I don't want people to go crazy for my birthday. | ||
| I don't want people to pay attention to me or anything. | ||
| But I have no qualms with celebrating the passage of time. | ||
| Whereas I think you have a little bit of discomfort with it. | ||
| I think part of it is just so much of my memory has been... | ||
| I have those years that are gone. | ||
| All of that stuff is going on. | ||
| To the point where the denoting and the passage of time is always strange for me. | ||
| Because my internal idea of how old I am... | ||
| You're 12. Exactly. | ||
| And I look in the mirror and I see this monstrous old man every day. | ||
| I'm a ragged 12. I'm dying! | ||
| This is the worst 12-year-old of my life. | ||
| Sad birthday. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're going to be taking a trip back into the past. | ||
| We're going to be in 2004, back when you were three years old. | ||
| Three years old? | ||
| Those are the good days. | ||
| Can't do the math. | ||
| But, yeah, we're in 2004, and we're going to be talking about February 16th. | ||
| 2004. | ||
| Very interesting day on Alex's show. | ||
| He has a guest that returns. | ||
| We've seen this person before. | ||
| Did we deal with Valentine's Day? | ||
| I mean, we just brought up flowers. | ||
| It's February 16th in 2004. | ||
| What do we have for Valentine's Day content here? | ||
| That's what I'm interested in now. | ||
| Now this is all flowers. | ||
| Not much. | ||
| There was a little bit of a no man's land between what we covered on our last episode and this. | ||
| There was... | ||
| Skull and bones talk. | ||
| Just a lot of that, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm trying to find things to hang a hat on, and it's tough. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| There's not a whole lot going on. | ||
| Well, if there were, we would do an episode about it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this adventure into 2004, but before we do, let's say hello, Jordan, to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, I love this show, but I have to remember not to laugh at the human-animal chimeras. | ||
| Lots of love and appreciation from Zach, a Canuck in Japan. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're on How Policy Wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Yeah, don't laugh at the human animal chimeras who have sad fish. | ||
| They're fish with sad human eyes. | ||
| Yeah, fish human eyes. | ||
| Not funny. | ||
| No. | ||
| Next, hey Axel, we take those courtesy of Mulligan Golf. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I felt like I was missing a word there, but I'm not. | ||
| Maybe that's why there's an ellipsis in the middle of it. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Next, I've been a policy wonk for two years and never got my shout-out. | ||
| Either way, my name is Rupesh, and it means I look like God. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Kyle. | ||
| Globalists can't dink for shit. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Ian and Ollie. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| I've been erring a little bit on the side of playing that older one drop, and I realize it's been a while since I've made a new Technocrat drop. | ||
| It has! | ||
| I might need to dig around in the crates and see if I can find some fun. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it's been a long time with that Technocrat drop. | ||
| We've been awful busy. | ||
| Well, we had the... | ||
| No, because we had the one where he quits a bunch. | ||
| Maybe that one's too long. | ||
| Maybe that's why I don't play that as much. | ||
| That could be it. | ||
| So yeah, I'll see about that. | ||
| Make a new Technocrat drop. | ||
| It's Big Boy Pants time. | ||
| Yeah, indeed. | ||
| So we start off here on the 16th, and Alex, like I said, he has a guest coming back. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big time guest. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Well... | ||
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What? | |
| Father of big time. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| In the third hour of the show, I've got Hutton Gibson coming back on the broadcast. | ||
| We got him on a few weeks ago, and an hour wasn't enough time to, well, go over the state of affairs in the world, and... | ||
| Hutton Gibson is an expert, he's been exposing it for decades, on the takeover of the Roman Catholic Church by the forces of the New World Order. | ||
| We'll be talking about that and other issues. | ||
| In the third hour today. | ||
| Very exciting. | ||
| So Hutton Gibson is not so much an expert on issues related to the Catholic Church as much as he is an extremist against the Catholic Church post-Second Vatican Council. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He's among the many anti-Semites who have very serious problems with some of the changes that the Council made regarding Church doctrine. | ||
| One of the large issues that folks like Hutton have, it's involved with the Nostra Ate document, which among other things specifically... | ||
| condemned the charges of deicide, which people have levied against Jewish people, which is the accusation that Jews bear the responsibility for killing the Christian savior. | ||
| Right. | ||
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In that declaration, it said, quote, it is true that the church is the new people of God, yet the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed, as if this follows from Holy Scripture. | |
| And went on to say, quote, the church reproves every form of persecution against whomsoever it may be directed. | ||
| Remembering then its common heritage with the Jews and moved not by any political consideration, but solely by religious motivation of Christian charity, it deplores all hatreds, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time or from any source. | ||
| This is why Hutton Gibson said that Vatican II is, quote, These are the words of someone who Alex is presenting to his audience as an expert. | ||
| And there are really only two possible explanations. | ||
| Either this is the kind of rhetoric Alex wants to promote, or he's so desperate to be in the proximity of someone who's related to a celebrity that he'll launder this kind of extreme anti-Semitism in order to make that association. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't care which it is. | ||
| Yeah, I'm just not going to be compelled by the evidence of the father of a movie star who just hates Catholics for not being... | ||
| anti-Semitic enough. | ||
| I don't know what evidence on any topic he could present. | ||
| Like on what fast food is better if he presented evidence I'm not an expert enough on these issues, but I could see possibly somebody having a problem with the Second Vatican Council that wasn't rooted in feelings of antisemitism. | ||
| I think that that's possible. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly. | ||
| I know enough about Catholicism to know where that would come from, but I'm willing to believe that. | ||
| However, with Hutton Gibson, I'm not. | ||
| Considering his numerous thoughts about how the Holocaust didn't happen, I'm going to go ahead and say, you don't get a pass. | ||
| You don't get the charity of like, oh, it's just some kind of a doctrinal difference or something. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, that is the nice thing about Catholicism, right, is that... | ||
| Even if it's not anti-Semitic, you can find an absurd small thing to argue about and willing to die for because it's the Bible. | ||
| You know, like, hey, what are you talking about? | ||
| Beaver is a fish on Fridays. | ||
| I am telling you this right now because I want to eat it and I'm the Pope. | ||
| You want to eat a beaver? | ||
| Okay, a beaver is technically a fish in Catholicism because the Pope wanted to eat a beaver one time. | ||
| He was like, well, I can't eat it. | ||
| I guess it's a fish now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's how it works. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I'm down. | ||
| They do what they do. | ||
| So, Mel Gibson, son of Hutton, was on Diane Sawyer. | ||
| And apparently Hutton gave Alex some background behind the scenes info. | ||
| By the way, I talked to Hutton Gibson yesterday for about 30 minutes. | ||
| And let's just say this. | ||
| You're going to want to watch Mel Gibson on Diane Sawyer's... | ||
| Primetime ABC tonight at 10 o 'clock Eastern, 9 o 'clock Central. | ||
| We're not going to steal Mel Gibson's thunder. | ||
| I mean, Hutton told me about what Mel said in the interview, but we're not going to steal his thunder here on the show and tell you what he said. | ||
| In fact, they interviewed Mel for over three and a half hours, Hutton said, and it's only a 30-minute piece, and you take the ads out, it's probably even shorter than that. | ||
| But if they don't include what Mel said, and I mean, this is bombshell stuff, In this Diane Sawyer CFR piece, believe me, you're going to hear about it on this show tomorrow because we're not going to let them get away with their normal activities. | ||
| Diane Sawyer, of course, is pure New World Order, one of the biggest gun grabbers in Washington. | ||
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What? | |
| Diane Sawyer? | ||
| She's a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. | ||
| Could she do that? | ||
| There's no telling what they'll do with this piece tonight. | ||
| But I'm going to be up late working on a new film, so I'm going to tape it and watch it when I get home after midnight tonight. | ||
| So if they edit out the key stuff Mel was saying in this interview, we'll tell you about it. | ||
| Tomorrow. | ||
| So this is essentially a tease for our next 2004 episode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't know. | ||
| We don't know what's on the... | ||
| I don't know what happened in the Diane Sawyer interview, and I don't know what Hutton Gibson had to say, and so we'll have to tune in to Alex's show on the 17th to find out. | ||
| But that's a matter for another day. | ||
| When he complains because Hunt told me that Mel said Heil Hitler and they did not play it on the interview. | ||
| I'm going to guess it's something about railing on the New World Order or something. | ||
| It's definitely. | ||
| But Hunt and Gibson is not today's only guest. | ||
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Oh. | |
| So I've discussed how one of my favorite genres of Alex shows are when he has a neocon on that he's preparing to humiliate. | ||
| Oh, he's going to take them down a peg. | ||
| I love those. | ||
| Now, the least favorite genre, and that is when Alex tricks someone into coming on the show who is not Oliver North or Ann Coulter, and they have no idea who this guy is, and they think that they're coming in for a good-faith interview about something. | ||
| And that happens here. | ||
| Alex reads a story about a preacher, and then he has been tricked into coming on the show. | ||
| A church in Dallas, Texas, wants people to show their love by giving up their guns this Valentine's Day, which they did. | ||
| The First Presbyterian Church in Dallas is sponsoring a program for people to turn in their guns to mark the celebration of love. | ||
| The sponsors will be given $50 for each gun and would be glad if the cash was used to purchase candy or flowers for Valentine's Day. | ||
| Quote, we're not trying to disarm Cupid of his bow and arrow, but provide another meaningful opportunity for individuals to show their affection for their families by making their homes safe this Valentine's Day, said church pastor Bruce Buchanan. | ||
| The church has sponsored Gun by Baxman. | ||
| but Pastor Buchanan said he has moved the program to Valentine's Day because most of the people who turned in guns had families and they did not want the guns in the homes. | ||
| The church is aiming to buy back 150 guns And to tell us how this went is Pastor Bruce Buchanan. | ||
| Pastor, thanks for coming on the show. | ||
| He's going to be so happy. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| So, how did the gun buyback go? | ||
| Well, it was very snowy and cold here in Dallas on Valentine's Day, but we held the gun buyback. | ||
| This was the seventh one we've done in about three years. | ||
| So as Alex was reading that story, I was like, oh, this is a little bit, like, kind of cute. | ||
| You know, or just, like, maybe too cute. | ||
| Like, we're not trying to disarm Cupid of his bow and everything. | ||
| That kind of sounds like, oh, that's a nice PR thing or whatever. | ||
| And then when he said, here to talk about it, I was like, oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That you told me in advance made me, like... | ||
| It is a horror movie moment where the door is creaking up and I'm like, don't open that door, dude. | ||
| Don't open the door! | ||
| Yeah, I felt really worried for this guy because I looked into him a little bit and he just seems like a great guy. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| I don't know enough about him outside of some articles I was able to find, but he seems like just a guy who takes his faith seriously. | ||
| One of the major outreaches and things he developed, it started before he was there at the first Presbyterian church, but one of the things that was his main mission in his time before he retired was their soup kitchen and their outreach to the homeless. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| To know that he's just here thinking he's going to be just going on a radio show to talk about this gun buyback they had and maybe their church's outreach programs and stuff. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He's talking to Alex Jones, who's going to want to be a dick to him. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It is just so much. | ||
| I can imagine the movie of following this guy's morning, going throughout his day. | ||
| He's having a grand time. | ||
| He's shaking everybody's hand, waving. | ||
| Hello, Mary! | ||
| Oh, I'm excited. | ||
| I'm going to do this interview with this independent radio host. | ||
| It's going to be so much fun. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh, he asked me how it went. | ||
| Well, I'll just let you know. | ||
| It was a little snowy on there. | ||
| It's some tough weather. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, this is off to a great start. | ||
| I bet nothing wrong will go from here. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| We had 59 rifles and handguns turned in that day. | ||
| And were those by members of your church mainly? | ||
| Actually, I don't believe there were any members of my church this time. | ||
| There have been in previous occasions that have turned in a weapon, but this time, no, there were no church members that I was aware of. | ||
| Are you a member of any gun control organization? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Who approached you? | ||
| You said you've had seven of these over the last few years. | ||
| When did you start this? | ||
| Well, in the Presbyterian Church USA, there has been for about almost 20 years now a peacemaking program in the church that's observed on the first Sunday in October. | ||
| And churches are encouraged to be involved in local peacemaking efforts. | ||
| And for many churches, that involves, say, supporting the domestic violence shelter or some other initiative. | ||
| It's a jump scare where it's like, oh no, this wasn't the time that the monster attacked. | ||
| I got jump scared and I was like, oh! | ||
| Oh no, okay, alright. | ||
| It was just the bathroom door closed all weird. | ||
| It was just the wind. | ||
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It's fine. | |
| It's fine. | ||
| It's totally fine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This time. | ||
| This time, yeah. | ||
| It's just a decent person talking about how through his faith they're called to help with domestic violence shelters. | ||
| Who do you work for? | ||
| Well, I was in the car park beneath the church and I was approached by a man wearing a large trench coat and a hat that covered his eyes and he gave me a manila envelope that said, buy back all the guns or you die. | ||
| Yeah, which globalist made you do this? | ||
| Actually, it's inspired by my faith. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So things get a little bit tense pretty quick. | ||
| Here at this church about three years ago, one of our church members suggested that we use part of that offering to sponsor a buyback, and that's what started it. | ||
| And ever since then, funds from people in the community have come in. | ||
| It doesn't come from church funds. | ||
| To support the program and to keep it going. | ||
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Of course it doesn't. | |
| You say funds in the community. | ||
| What organizations? | ||
| No organizations. | ||
| Individuals. | ||
| Okay, well, Pastor... | ||
| The Presbytery did send us a donation this year. | ||
| That's like the diocese of the Presbyterian Church. | ||
| The Presbytery sent... | ||
| Okay, well, let me just be... | ||
| Pastor, I mean, we appreciate you coming on, but let me just be upfront with you. | ||
| Number one, when one of the disciples of the Garden of Gethsemane cut the ear off the Roman, Christ put it back on and said, next time, sell your cloak and buy swords. | ||
| But, I mean, let's elaborate on this. | ||
| New York, D.C., they have gun bands. | ||
| I don't remember Christ saying that. | ||
| Oh, he didn't say sell your cloak and buy swords? | ||
| No, I don't remember reading that in the gospel. | ||
| You've got to be kidding. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're joking, right? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Actually, I've got a Bible here on the shelf. | ||
| Why don't you go ahead and make your point? | ||
| So this guy maybe can handle himself. | ||
| He's already grasped very quickly what's going on here. | ||
| I think he gets... | ||
| This is not a fun interview. | ||
| This is an asshole. | ||
| New York and LA. | ||
| So one of the reasons I think that he might not get the verse that Alex is talking about is because the context is completely wrong. | ||
| It was at the Last Supper that this verse happens. | ||
| Not at the Garden of Gethsemane. | ||
| Not after someone's ear was cut off. | ||
| It's a conversation. | ||
| At the Last Supper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the verse that he's talking about specifically is Luke 22, 36, which says, quote, He said to them, but now let the one who has a money bag take it, and likewise a knapsack, and let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. | ||
| It seems like this is Jesus telling the apostles to get armed because it's about time to fight. | ||
| But the full context of this is actually a little bit different. | ||
| It's important to read the next two verses when you're reading this one. | ||
| I am so tired of people whenever they quote a Bible verse out of context. | ||
| All of a sudden, whenever somebody talks about it, they're like, it's important to read... | ||
| The other parts of it. | ||
| Luke 22 goes on, quote, It is written, and he was numbered with the transgressors, and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. | ||
| Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment. | ||
| The disciples said, See, Lord, here are two swords. | ||
| That's enough, he replied. | ||
| Two swords was enough, not because the swords were for fighting or self-defense. | ||
| It was enough because the fact that they were armed was enough to make the law consider them transgressors. | ||
| In their being seen as transgressors, Jesus was fulfilling the prophecy that he would be numbered among the transgressors, which was from Isaiah 52, verse 12. Quote, The reason this pastor doesn't recognize the verse that Alex is talking about is | ||
| because this is not the most important verse in the general understanding of the Bible. | ||
| It's an interesting wrinkle where Jesus was making plans to play the role that he's supposed to play in his arrest and subsequent crucifixion, but it isn't a focus in and of itself. | ||
| For Alex, on the other hand, it's paramount. | ||
| He completely misinterprets the verse because he needs something in the Bible to give divine justification for his obsession with guns. | ||
| So this verse is probably the single most important verse in the Bible to someone like him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so for him, it's like, you don't know the most important verse. | ||
| Yeah, he was really hoping that Nate Dogg and Warren G. wrote that particular verse. | ||
| Mount up. | ||
| Mount up. | ||
| No, what's always fun about that, right? | ||
| What's always fun about that is that that part is an awareness on Jesus' part, theoretically, in the Bible, that he is not necessarily the thing, but is by doing the things within the prophecy will then gain the trust and awareness of the people, which I find fascinating because he is specifically fulfilling that in order to fulfill it. | ||
| Or that he knows that that is his lot in life. | ||
| And in order to be the fulfillment of the prophecy, which he is, then he must be considered part of the rabble and the criminal element. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, not necessarily... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird because it isn't an instance necessarily of forcing it, but you're shrugging. | ||
| It kind of is. | ||
| I mean, it is like, hey man, get a couple of swords because we got to do this thing from the book. | ||
| But he's done all the other things and all these miracles. | ||
| Sure, but don't do that one. | ||
| Then what happens? | ||
| The whole thing falls apart. | ||
| Jesus goes crazy. | ||
| See, this is why you're not in charge of... | ||
| This is why you're not really Jordan Benet. | ||
| I'm a bad God. | ||
| I'm terrible at it. | ||
| Yeah, you can't follow prophecy, man. | ||
| I fucking dare you to not follow this prophecy, Jesus. | ||
| Looking at it all wrong. | ||
| Much like Alex. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| This not knowing the verse turns into a bit of a fight. | ||
| And Alex is trying to make him out to be a gun grab. | ||
| I read your quotes here from ABC News. | ||
| And what I get from reading the article is people turn their guns in because they've got families and they think they're dangerous in the house. | ||
| And the last line here is the Valentine's Day celebration will be overseen by armed police. | ||
| And they use these images on the news. | ||
| And I've got the gun control group's own documents on this to acclimate us to the image of people lining up, turning their guns in, and everywhere where they've had gun registration and gun buybacks in other parts of the world, it then turns into a mandatory thing. | ||
| So aren't you concerned you're part of a conditioning process that guns are bad here, turn them in? | ||
| Are you concerned? | ||
| I've had the experience of having a family in my congregation lose a child from... | ||
| A child playing with a pistol in a neighbor's house. | ||
| Well, cars killed 12 times that day. | ||
| Aren't we going to ban cars? | ||
| Well, that's because they didn't properly store the guns. | ||
| Don't you know there's instant access pistol safes that cost $75? | ||
| Once again, we don't force anyone to turn in their handguns or their rifles, and we're pleased to make this opportunity available. | ||
| Well, I think the families love their families. | ||
| 307 households that we feel very comfortable that now feel safer. | ||
| That's a bit cold on Alex's part. | ||
| When our congregation lost a kid, dude, fuck your kid! | ||
| Fuck your kid! | ||
| What about cars? | ||
| What about cars? | ||
| I'll hit your kid with a gun! | ||
| What are you doing, man? | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| And then the instant access gun safes argument is fine. | ||
| But, you know, these people, it's not just they don't want the gun in the house because they don't know how to handle it or where to put it safely. | ||
| They also just are like, I don't want this in the house, necessarily. | ||
| He goes on and he talks about how a number of them are people who got these as gifts and don't necessarily want them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Texas gifts can be guns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like... | ||
| It is an important point that they're not compelling anyone to do this. | ||
| If so, then the alternative of, like, a gun safe makes a lot of sense. | ||
| If you do not know where... | ||
| If you are forced to turn in your gun if you don't know how to handle it... | ||
| Then a gun safe is a good solution. | ||
| If you don't want the gun, a place to put it isn't necessarily solving the problem, but it is for Alex, because everyone needs to have a fucking gun. | ||
| And if you offer anybody an alternative to having a gun, then you are trying to take his gun. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| No, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| Have you considered... | ||
| Alright, so you're thinking, I'll give these people money. | ||
| Okay, as an incentive for them to give me these guns that they don't want, and then these people won't have the guns that they don't want, and will have the money that they want. | ||
| Now, have you considered just forcing them to buy a gun safe, thereby expensing an extra $100 to this gun, and then putting a gun that they don't want inside of a safe that they don't want to keep safe from the thing that they have that they don't want? | ||
| That's what Jefferson wanted. | ||
| That's the world he conceived of. | ||
| So Alex keeps trying to... | ||
| To cut him off. | ||
| And I will say that this pastor has vigor to him. | ||
| Fortitude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He will keep on talking. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Well, pastor, back when this pastor, pastor, pastor. | ||
| I saved some of the boxes and the things. | ||
| Yes, most people don't know how to properly store a handgun or a rifle. | ||
| Well, we need to teach them how. | ||
| Let me just tell you something. | ||
| We've had people turn in weapons in cardboard boxes. | ||
| I saved one of the cardboard boxes that was taped shut, and it had written on the side, "Danger, no kids." Okay, let me stop you, Pastor. | ||
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Pastor, Pastor, Pastor, say what, go ahead and play my hold. | |
| If he wants to hang up, that's fine. | ||
| Look, this is all a bunch of anti-gun propaganda. | ||
| I was taught how to use a gun at a very young age. | ||
| That's where gun safety comes from. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
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Great. | |
| Wow. | ||
| This has gone... | ||
| So bad for Alex, and we're only two clips in. | ||
| He puts the guy on hold. | ||
| He put the guy on hold. | ||
| Yeah, and if you want to hang up, that's fine. | ||
| If you want to hang up, that's fine. | ||
| That lets you know that things aren't going to get better. | ||
| If you're on the other end of that line, it's like, I'm going to be, now, more disrespectful, probably. | ||
| If you want to bounce, go ahead. | ||
| Now that I'm aware that this person has the ability to just... | ||
| Silence me. | ||
| It's time to go. | ||
| Yeah, if he's not going to play along, be scared of the talking points I'm throwing at him. | ||
| If he's going to keep talking, not feel a need to be overly polite while I'm being rude. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Yeah, time to go on hold, my friend. | ||
| And have a consistent, only a slight dynamic increase whenever Alex tries to interrupt. | ||
| He just goes... | ||
| And then he just keeps with the same monotone. | ||
| That's solid, you're-not-going-to-talk-over-me move. | ||
| He's on message. | ||
| He's on message. | ||
| He's got the goods right now. | ||
| And I will say, I like his exit. | ||
| And if you love your family, you learn how to use a gun, and you protect your family, this is all part of the big gun control agenda. | ||
| And for you to say that Christ didn't say, sell your cloak and buy a sword, you're telling me, Pastor, as a pastor, you don't know that. | ||
| My back that we had. | ||
| There was a mistake. | ||
| We did not pass out roses, but we did pass out $50 cash, and there were 59 weapons turned in, and we're very pleased with that result. | ||
| And I wish you well today. | ||
| I think it's horrible. | ||
| I think it's horrible, Pastor. | ||
| No, he just hung up on us. | ||
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That guy's not a pastor. | |
| You know, I've got my Bible here on the bookshelf next to me, and I've sat through a lot of Sunday school and enjoyed it, but I do not know the particular verse. | ||
| I know 50 people can call in and give us the verse. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| You don't know the verse. | ||
| The most important go get a sword verse? | ||
| You don't know what it is? | ||
| Shouldn't that be like right at the tip of his tongue? | ||
| He should be ready to go all the time. | ||
| Nah, he doesn't remember it. | ||
| He loves Sunday school that he went to. | ||
| Yeah, oh, it's great. | ||
| He learned how to use a gun in Sunday school. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's gun day school. | ||
| Every day is gun day. | ||
| Every day is gun day. | ||
| So yeah, I respect the hell out of that staying on message, not being lured into the little distraction tricks that Alex has, and then just being like, I wish you well, goodbye. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| Bouncing. | ||
| I'm out! | ||
| Because you're not going to get anywhere. | ||
| It's not going to get better. | ||
| You're not going to be able to get any of the messages that are probably important for you about... | ||
| I mean, based on everything I can tell about this guy... | ||
| Outreach. | ||
| Seems to be, like, something really important in his ministry. | ||
| And, like, you're not going to have anything fruitful come of this. | ||
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Right. | |
| And you're just going to have Alex be a dick to you. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's going to start with something along... | ||
| Well, you know, people need... | ||
| You know, these people don't necessarily want a gun. | ||
| You can just not want one. | ||
| He was talking about one person who's a grandmother. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, maybe doesn't have the... | ||
| Like, an other place that you can dispose of a gun. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| What do you do with it? | ||
| Maybe her fucking grandson got her a long gun and she can't even goddamn carry it. | ||
| She's got an M16 in her house. | ||
| It's a Barrett. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| So, after the guy leaves... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Alex just decides to attack him a whole bunch more. | ||
| Yeah, I believe that. | ||
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What does that minor replay mean? | |
| Don't worry, this show's documented. | ||
| Because evil always fails. | ||
| That's documented. | ||
| Because our facts... | ||
| Documented. | ||
| Are documented and powerful. | ||
| And we're winning the fight against the New World Order. | ||
| People are waking up everywhere. | ||
| What an incredible statement by that so-called Presbyterian pastor in Dallas who's had a whole bunch of seven different gun buybacks. | ||
| What does it mean that he didn't know the verse where Christ said, sell your cloaks and buy swords? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, it just shows that either the guy's a liar or he's completely ignorant of the most basic stuff in the Bible, in the New Testament. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| And he wouldn't answer that question when I brought it back up to him for the second time. | ||
| He just hung up on me. | ||
| He did. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What a real asshole. | ||
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Yeah, the most basic thing in the New Testament? | |
| I'm not sure about that. | ||
| You know, there's I am the way and the truth and buy a gun. | ||
| No one comes to the gunfather except through my gun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there's that one. | ||
| I think a few other things that were, like, more... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Front of stage. | ||
| In the beginning was the gun. | ||
| Well, no, that's Old Testament. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Sorry about that one. | ||
| Because he did qualify it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| One of the most basic things in the New Testament is Jesus wanted you to have a fucking sword. | ||
| Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I mean, it was left out. | ||
| Perhaps the most important verse in the Bible for gun enthusiasts is that Jesus' father, all right? | ||
| I know we want to call it Immaculate Conception. | ||
| It was a gun. | ||
| It was a gun. | ||
| The father of Jesus was a gun. | ||
| It is a sword. | ||
| God was a sword. | ||
| Because back then they didn't have guns. | ||
| But then also that whole live by the sword, die by the sword thing is kind of also from the Bible. | ||
| No. | ||
| From Matthew. | ||
| When? | ||
| Matthew 26. Who said that? | ||
| Matthew. | ||
| Oh, it's Jesus actually. | ||
| The book of Matthew. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that Alex is... | ||
| I mean, it's documented in as much as that verse does exist. | ||
| But it's not documented in that... | ||
| I mean, he's not documenting the rest of the passage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's not documenting the context around it. | ||
| Well, one could say that the document itself is the thing that he is trying very hard to avoid. | ||
| And he is enjoying a very small grouping of words inside of the document. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so do his callers. | ||
| We've got a bunch of other news items coming up. | ||
| Believe me, there's a lot of it and it's all important, but... | ||
| Obviously, everybody wants to talk about this now, so let's go to the calls. | ||
| Frank in West Virginia says he's got his Bible open to the verse, chapter and verse, and he's going to read us the verse. | ||
| Go ahead, Frank. | ||
| Okay, Alex. | ||
| Yes, you're correct, John. | ||
| I'm sorry, Luke chapter 22 and verse 36. It says, Then said he unto them, but now he that hath a purse. | ||
| Now, this is Jesus quoting, mind you. | ||
| He that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his script. | ||
| And he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. | ||
| Now there's a follow-up to two verses later, but the thing that came to my mind 15 years ago is why did Jesus tell his disciples to purchase a sword? | ||
| And if they don't have the money to buy the script, then to sell their cloak, sell their garment, something that was necessary, something that was certainly a necessity. | ||
| for something that was more of a necessity. | ||
| And this verse after this thing, Christ is saying, run around in a loincloth if you have to, because you're going to need weapons in the future. | ||
| Doesn't sound like him. | ||
| And exactly. | ||
| The Bible does go on to, you know, tell the tales of what happens to the apostles later. | ||
| I don't recall a lot of, like, swashbuckling. | ||
| There was a brief section where Paul got on a boat headed towards the far east. | ||
| It was dangerous. | ||
| And then ended up in a sword fight against the globalists. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was in there smoking a lot of opium underneath. | ||
| His hair got really long. | ||
| Am I thinking of Legends of the Fall? | ||
| I think I'm Legends of the Fall. | ||
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I think you are, yeah, yeah. | |
| So this same caller brings up that there's a follow-up verse two verses later, which is that bringing the two swords and Jesus saying that's enough. | ||
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Right. | |
| So he has an interesting assessment of what that means. | ||
| I was going to say, now I'm interested to see where that fits in. | ||
| His interpretation of this, he skips the part kind of where it calls back the prophecy from Isaiah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And just the it's enough, the two swords. | ||
| One of them's a short sword, one's a long sword. | ||
| So it's kind of like a pistol and a rifle. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| What is wrong with people? | ||
| And then he goes and says, actually one of the disciples said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. | ||
| And he said unto them, it is enough. | ||
| So there was the Machiron sword. | ||
| There were two swords, short sword for personal protection back then. | ||
| There was also a longer sword used for combat in military service. | ||
| So we're literally talking about the pistol and the rifle. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Yes, in today's modern weaponry, I would have to agree with you 100%. | ||
| The pistol and the rifle are the modern swords of today. | ||
| But the point here is, Frank, that we've got a so-called pastor on, and he told me that that wasn't true. | ||
| He told me that wasn't in probably the most read part of the Bible. | ||
| Yes, that doesn't surprise me. | ||
| Do you think he was a liar or do you think he's a complete idiot? | ||
| Oh, which is it? | ||
| You know, I've talked to a lot of pastors. | ||
| I'm a preacher myself. | ||
| And one thing that I've found is that people will not see what they don't want to see. | ||
| If they're not open to the truth, they can read that passage a hundred times over. | ||
| And it just doesn't seem to stand out to them because they don't have the Holy Spirit teaching them. | ||
| If he isn't saved to start with. | ||
| You know, I've noticed that. | ||
| I can say something that's as clear as anything, and if people don't want to believe it, they'll just twist it around before they don't understand it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Pistol and rifle guy? | ||
| I think maybe one of the biggest problems with the world we live in is that we don't literalize the eat your words. | ||
| Like, these people need to have to eat physically a cake made out of this bullshit that they are fucking spouting that applies entirely to themselves. | ||
| You're going phantom toll booth. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They should have to eat their words. | ||
| Spaghetti-os of shame. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think that they would have a problem with those words because they're... | ||
| Like, playing fanciful games around this. | ||
| They're adding their context that's fun, but in doing so, they're depriving things of context that actually comes from the source material. | ||
| And then blaming everybody else of, like, not getting it. | ||
| You know, some people just only see what they want to see, Dan. | ||
| I will say that it is fair to say that this is in one of the most read parts of the Bible. | ||
| Because, you know, it is in the... | ||
| The Gospels are pretty important. | ||
| And it's in the lead up to the crucifixion and arrest of Jesus and what have you. | ||
| So, like, it is in that part that people read a lot. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that this verse about swords is the most important thing. | ||
| I really feel like if you're getting really hung up on this verse, you are missing... | ||
| All the rest of the Bible. | ||
| You sure are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that context thing is really interesting. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| This same caller, he's going to talk about a friend of his who watched one of Alex's videos. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And this friend is able to understand context. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And this is a problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For Frank. | ||
| This is going to go bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I've noticed that. | ||
| I can say something that's as clear as... | ||
| And if people don't want to believe it, they'll just twist it around before they don't understand it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I was clear. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| I remember one guy sat down with Got to the Park in 9-11, Road to Tyranny, and this guy was the FEMA, I believe, the FEMA commander who was talking about Christians and Founding Fathers being terrorists. | ||
| This guy actually told me. | ||
| He said, yeah, I can understand that. | ||
| You know, I guess they would be back then. | ||
| They'd be considered terrorists. | ||
| This guy was identifying with a FEMA commander that was demonizing. | ||
| Christians and patriots. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| This guy was understanding what the guy was saying. | ||
| When the guy said words, he understood them. | ||
| He's a little identifying with them. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's just understanding words. | ||
| The thing that you guys just said you were so great at doing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's interesting to me to see something like that because it is a recognition that... | ||
| This person, Frank, this caller, has interacted with people who get They understand reality, and it doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't penetrate Frank's ideas at all. | ||
| He sees the person who understands context as the one who doesn't have the context. | ||
| You're identifying with the demons! | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's kind of a bummer. | ||
| I mean, it is a bummer. | ||
| It's not kind of a bummer. | ||
| It's just a bummer. | ||
| Here's a huge attribute to comedy that I hadn't really considered, but that I do think now is really, really important. | ||
| The instant feedback of being understood. | ||
| If my joke works, that means that it was clear. | ||
| That you understood the point of it. | ||
| If it doesn't work, then it wasn't clear. | ||
| There's no like, oh, they're wrong. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Instant reaction, either I did it right or I didn't. | ||
| And I don't get to be like, ah, well, the audience is wrong if it happens every fucking time. | ||
| True. | ||
| Sometimes I can be like, the audience is wrong. | ||
| But this is a consistent pattern for Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it... | ||
| I guess it opens up an interesting question of what is the root of that not understanding? | ||
| How much of it is willful? | ||
| Does this guy, Frank, this caller, does he legitimately understand the point that the guy he was watching the video with was making? | ||
| Does he legitimately understand that this FEMA person was saying that in the time of the Revolutionary War... | ||
| The people who were the founding fathers of our country now were insurgents and would be considered terrorists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Does he not understand? | ||
| He must not be able to abstract it, you know? | ||
| It's because there's a clear good and evil in the world, right? | ||
| So it doesn't matter what evil actions are. | ||
| You can't consider them terrorists because terrorists are evil and revolutionaries are good, right? | ||
| So if you call them terrorists, then you're calling revolution evil. | ||
| And not terrorism. | ||
| They certainly think that about a lot of revolution. | ||
| Well, sure, but those are terrorists. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I honestly think that for people to understand that the founding fathers of our country were terrorists... | ||
| Right, you'd think. | ||
| It doesn't lead to, like... | ||
| Haha, all right-wing people are there. | ||
| That's not the next thought along those lines, but it is for Alex. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| I mean, what I find so fascinating about it is that these are concepts that they can abstractly understand in sci-fi or in fiction, in those worlds. | ||
| They can take, like, oh, Luke Skywalker is, technically speaking, if you wanted to consider him, a terrorist. | ||
| They're the rebels. | ||
| They're the rebels. | ||
| That's the idea, you know? | ||
| And he's still the hero. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex kind of likes the Emperor. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He does fucking love the Emperor. | ||
| I don't know if he can abstract things at all. | ||
| Maybe he's just a bad dude. | ||
| Maybe his thinking is just like... | ||
| He's just not a good thinker. | ||
| It's fairly rigid. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| It's a bit more concrete than it should be. | ||
| Yeah, it's just like, I don't understand. | ||
| I can't understand how you can think the way he does and still exist. | ||
| Yeah, and he teaches that to the callers and the listeners. | ||
| It's astonishing. | ||
| Because they just mirror it right back. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this show has just been taken over by hatred of this pastor. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| We gotta focus. | ||
| For those who just joined us... | ||
| About 15 minutes ago, I had this so-called pastor on the show, Bruce Buchanan, of the First Presbyterian Church in Dallas. | ||
| That's a big church, by the way, folks. | ||
| I'm from Dallas. | ||
| And they've had seven gun buybacks and had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guns turned in. | ||
| They just had another one on Valentine's Day. | ||
| And I mentioned Luke 22, 36, where Christ said, you know, if you don't have money, sell your cloak and buy a sword. | ||
| And he said, no, that doesn't exist. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Well, that's one of the most famous, well-known verses out of the New Testament. | ||
| It's not one of the most famous verses, but it is to Alex because he needs it. | ||
| He needs it to exist in the misrepresented version that he believes it to exist in because, like I said, it gives divine justification to guns. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that way he can tie his gun absolutism and that extremism into his religious beliefs and therefore kind of make it seem less assailable. | ||
| From people having a critical opinion of it. | ||
| And that's just bullshit. | ||
| It's kind of a cowardly refuge. | ||
| Well, tying awful things to religion in order to get people who otherwise wouldn't do them to do them is a time-honored tradition. | ||
| There's a rich history. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's what we're all here for. | ||
| True, but it's very transparent with Alex. | ||
| It is very transparent. | ||
| And it is kind of interesting, because I would imagine that many of the religious people that he's surrounded by... | ||
| Maybe it is one of the most famous important verses to them. | ||
| There aren't many that justify wanton violence. | ||
| And the people that he is, you know, in community with are probably also the type who want divine justification for gun. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Let's talk, Alex. | ||
| Should the Canaanites have fought back or would they be evil? | ||
| Ooh, we don't know. | ||
| The Bible's crazy. | ||
| I don't know that verse. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It's one of the most famous verses of all time. | ||
| So Alex gets into gun safety a little bit and talks about his history with guns. | ||
| And this is just a little addition to his biography. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Well, it's common sense, Richard. | ||
| If you love your family, you're supposed to be a man and know how to use a gun. | ||
| You're supposed to train your children in the use. | ||
| Is that common sense? | ||
| But at four years of age, I was sitting in my father's lap shooting Folgers coffee cans with a.410 shotgun. | ||
| By the time I was eight years old, I could shoot a buck moving at 200 yards away. | ||
| Today, I can shoot deer at 600 yards. | ||
| Because my father trained me and no one in our whole family's history has had an accident with a gun. | ||
| And in the past, when we all owned guns and the guns were on the gun case right out in full view, by the time a child could get up there to the guns, they knew not to touch them unless they were out shooting with their parents. | ||
| So we didn't have all these accidents because people knew how to use guns and we were a free country. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| You had plenty of accidents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't come from a gun family. | ||
| So I don't know if four is young to be sitting on a parent's lap shooting a shotgun. | ||
| I mean, I feel like the recoil is too much for a four-year-old. | ||
| That's why you got the dad's arm there. | ||
| Right, I understand that. | ||
| I mean, I don't judge that. | ||
| If you can carry a child and fire a shotgun at the same time... | ||
| I think there are so many other questions that you need to answer way before we get there. | ||
| It's hard for me to have any context that might be normal in some communities or some folks, but it seems young. | ||
| It feels young to me. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's Alex and Daniel Boone. | ||
| Those are two four-year-olds that I know who can shoot. | ||
| I mean, it's completely different standards if we're talking about, like, the Wild West. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But, I mean, I think that's where Alex is believing that he grew up. | ||
| No. | ||
| He grew up in a rich suburb of Dallas. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He grew up where he's fighting people. | ||
| In the late 70s. | ||
| Gunfighting at noon every goddamn day, practicing to fire a shotgun. | ||
| No. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, I can shoot a deer at 600 yards. | ||
| Does that mean you're good at firing guns? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| But, like, okay. | ||
| How does that keep you from accidentally shooting yourself? | ||
| I don't know, but I really admire Alex for not... | ||
| When he said he can shoot a buck, I'm so proud that he didn't finish that up by saying also he can run a trot line. | ||
| Because he always does that. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| So anyway, he's really angry. | ||
| And another caller wants to shit on that pastor. | ||
| Look at Mel Gibson trying to make a movie about Jesus getting attacked. | ||
| Look at how upside down things have gotten. | ||
| There's naked people running around at the Super Bowl. | ||
| But they don't have swords. | ||
| Boy Scouts are being taken over. | ||
| All this is happening. | ||
| Boy, I tell you. | ||
| Let's go ahead and take another call. | ||
| Let's talk to Paula in Missouri. | ||
| Paula, go ahead. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Alex? | |
| Yes. | ||
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I wanted to quote that scripture, but I see everybody else has done the same thing. | |
| same thing in my Bible. | ||
| I guess that pastor earned his 30 pieces silver, didn't he? | ||
| Got him. | ||
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What? | |
| Good call. | ||
| And now I'm off! | ||
| Well, she called in to... | ||
| She had her Bible, and everyone else had already done it. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| So she was waiting on hold, and just, hey, maybe he's a Judas. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's a great YouTube comment. | ||
| So not all of the callers are roundly against this pastor. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Some of them have a little bit more understanding of what's going on. | ||
| Diane, go ahead. | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| My name's actually Deanna, but that's all right. | ||
| I'm calling in about the pastor who was on the show in the first hour, and I'd just like to defend him in a couple of areas. | ||
| The verse that you cited, I went to 16 years of Christian, you know, elementary school, high school, college, and I've read the gospel several times. | ||
| Hold on just a second. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| Are you for gun control? | ||
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I'm not. | |
| Okay, well, the preacher, for those that don't know, just joined us. | ||
| In the last hour, who had a gun buyback in Dallas that ABC News reported on, he was saying that he didn't know that in the Gospel of Luke that Christ said, sell your clothes and buy a sword. | ||
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Right. | |
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
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I would like to say, though, that the many times that I've read the Gospels, that verses never jumped out at me. | |
| And it makes sense to me that people who are pro-gun would, Who would know of verses like that and be able to use them to support their cause? | ||
| And then be able to say, well, those of you who don't know, well, then you must just be stupid because you've never, whatever. | ||
| Hold on a minute. | ||
| Who hasn't read the part of the Garden of Gethsemane? | ||
| I mean, that's the most read part of the Bible is the last 12 hours of Christ's life. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The real point that I wanted to make was that I sort of feel bad for your unsuspecting interviewees sometimes because I don't think that they know what they're getting into. | ||
| That's right, they don't. | ||
| Ha ha ha, they don't know what they're getting into. | ||
| I ambush people. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand how you didn't quite understand that as a criticism of you. | ||
| Well, I don't know if it was, because she was laughing too. | ||
| That may be true, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but her point is well taken. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, Alex... | ||
| Still saying it's at the Garden of Gethsemane, which is not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's conflating some things, but her point that people who are pro-gun, this would be one of the most important verses for them, and they would say that anybody who doesn't know it is stupid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's all that's going on. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So another caller calls in and actually wants to explain to Alex... | ||
| The nature of the having a sword to fill the prophecy of the transgression. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Or being counted as one of the transgressors. | ||
| Oh, we're going to seminary. | ||
| And this is just vintage Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mic down for this, because obviously, spoiler alert, Shang's up on her. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But listen to where that happens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it is very calculated. | ||
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The other thing about that... | |
| The verse is being taken out of context in Luke 22, 36. Nowhere in the Pauline epistles or anywhere in the Gospels are there any examples that were to live by the sword. | ||
| I'm not anti-Dun. | ||
| Well, that's not true. | ||
| The entire Bible is about people defending themselves against tyranny. | ||
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But not since Jesus came. | |
| That was in the Old Testament. | ||
| I've read the Bible more than... | ||
| So it was wrong that the Founding Fathers stood up to England? | ||
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No, the truth of the Scriptures is this. | |
| Well, let me just tell you something. | ||
| I'm going to defend my family, and I can have a hundred pastors on here to refute what you're saying. | ||
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Well, I'm not... | |
| Look, you know, there's plenty of scriptures to refute it, to refute the fact that we are to not live like that. | ||
| It says, blessed are the peacemakers, and I don't mean... | ||
| Yeah, and you make peace by defending and by going after the enemies that are attacking you. | ||
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Well, if you'll let me explain, that's verse in 22, 36 of Luke. | |
| That's not what it means. | ||
| It's been taken out of context. | ||
| It is in no wise meant for us to go arm, to fight. | ||
| I've read the whole thing, and that's not true, and thanks for the call. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| Hitler was for gun control, and the bottle's not for Hitler. | ||
| So yeah, she is about to explain the context that this verse exists in, and he immediately hangs up on her. | ||
| That is an intentional action. | ||
| He does not want to even have to engage with the context. | ||
| And to me, that implies that he knows. | ||
| That implies to me that he's aware that he's misusing this verse for his own political ends. | ||
| Seems pretty clear to me. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, it seems very difficult to go from a very cohesive message, which is that you should place yourself below every other person on this planet, to the point where if they want to kill you, you should allow yourself to be killed, and turn that into... | ||
| We gotta arm up and start blowing people left and right! | ||
| The only way to have peace is to kill all the people who don't want peace. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a twist. | ||
| It is, but I'll take it. | ||
| Now, I think that I would take Alex for more of a sincere actor. | ||
| If he were to have a caller like this call in and say, this is taken out of context, let me explain my perspective on this. | ||
| And he were to say... | ||
| I have my perspective on this. | ||
| I would like to hear yours and then go back and forth. | ||
| Be open to whatever this person is bringing to the table because you're so secure in your knowledge of this scripture that is so important to you that you are able to handle somebody providing an alternative viewpoint. | ||
| But he's not. | ||
| He can't handle that and he wouldn't be able to rebut it. | ||
| I'm fairly certain. | ||
| I am amazed. | ||
| I am amazed at the confidence with which Alex can say that he knows the Bible. | ||
| I mean, just on a purely... | ||
| I've read the Bible a bunch of times, but you know the Bible is a several thousand year old book and it has been studied by people much smarter than me over and over and over again over those thousands of years. | ||
| I don't think I have an original opinion about the Bible. | ||
| I don't have anything interesting to add. | ||
| And I definitely don't know it as well as somebody who fucking knows it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you can have read it, but there's so many books in it that are all different. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They're all written under... | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| The aspects of the, like, just in this case, the prophecy and Isaiah looping back into the Gospel of Luke. | ||
| And, like, there are literary aspects to it that if you don't study the Bible, you don't really understand. | ||
| There's just so much to it. | ||
| I always skip Psalms because I don't like bad poetry. | ||
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Damn. | |
| It's just bad. | ||
| It's just bad. | ||
| Well, like Stephen Crowder, I skip Songs of Solomon because I don't want to get a boner in church. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good call. | ||
| Boiling melons! | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| The other thing, too, is that he spends so much of this episode shitting on this pastor. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Mostly about the sword verse. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he's not willing to hear from a caller who agrees with him and isn't in favor of gun control a different interpretation of this verse. | ||
| And that, to me, is cowardly and just weak. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So now we get to... | ||
| Senor Gibson. | ||
| Mr. Gibson. | ||
| I cannot believe just how Christ-like it is to just shit on a pastor for disagreeing with you about gun control for a good hour. | ||
| The whole Bible is about guns. | ||
| What don't you understand? | ||
| Fuck that guy! | ||
| Yeah, that guy fucking sucks! | ||
| I hate him! | ||
| Anyways, here's my interpretation of Luke. | ||
| The whole Bible is about... | ||
| Fighting the globalists. | ||
| See, a small sword is like a pistol, and a long sword is like a rifle. | ||
| Alex, you understand this Bible better than anybody I ever done met. | ||
| In that verse, it doesn't even say one of them is a small and one's a long sword. | ||
| See, there's two swords. | ||
| There's two types of sword at the time. | ||
| What about the mace? | ||
| So Hutton Gibson shows up. | ||
| Holocaust denier extraordinaire, father to Mel, Hutton Gibson. | ||
| And Alex asks, what do you think about that sword verse? | ||
| I've been going wild the last two hours. | ||
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Wild! | |
| I've been listening to the show today, but did you hear about all the craziness that's going on? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| I've been right with the show all morning, all afternoon, whatever. | ||
| I won't know. | ||
| Afternoon some places and morning other places. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| Hutton, I mean, I don't want to digress, but I know you talk a lot about this. | ||
| I mean, to have a preacher in Dallas, a Presbyterian, saying that he didn't know that Jesus said, sell your cloak and buy a sword, It's hard to believe that a preacher wouldn't know that, but that cuts right to the heart of the matter of what we're facing. | ||
| You know, I've always heard these preachers say, I know every word that Christ said. | ||
| Of course, I say, you only know the words that are recorded in the gospel. | ||
| But anyway, that's their province. | ||
| They're supposed to know that. | ||
| Great point, Hutton. | ||
| Yeah, you don't know what he read on the shitter, do you? | ||
| You don't know what Jesus said around the dinner table just on a Tuesday, on a Wednesday, hanging around? | ||
| Listen, I've been in Chicago a long time, but Jesus' Polish jokes, whoa, they were a little bit too dark even for me. | ||
| It was a different time. | ||
| It was a different time, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess that's true, that we don't know what Jesus said when things weren't recorded. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I might even argue that we don't know exactly what he said at all. | ||
| I mean, I also think that there's a parade of historical figures that we don't know what they said. | ||
| There are people on TV right now we don't know what they said. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So... | ||
| This appearance by Hutton Gibson is a bit more about his feelings about Catholicism than the last time, which was sort of right-wing grievances like the draft is coming and everyone's being mean to my boy. | ||
| Real Bible-y today. | ||
| Yes, yes, quite. | ||
| And so Hutton gets into his feelings about the Catholic Church. | ||
| I had you on a few weeks ago. | ||
| We got into the New World Order and the draft and all of this, but... | ||
| I mean, I was captivated talking to you yesterday for 30 minutes about how the Catholic Church was taken over in 1958, or that's when one of the big takeovers took place, and I want to talk about that. | ||
| What are the basics? | ||
| Well, they had an election there in October to elect a new pope, and they did it twice, apparently. | ||
| The white smoke came up on October 26th. | ||
| That means we have a pope. | ||
| And there was only one phone going in and out of the place. | ||
| The man inside called the man outside and said, get the guard out. | ||
| We've got a new pope for you. | ||
| And so five minutes later, the smoke turned black. | ||
| The guy called back and said, hey, it's a mistake. | ||
| Mistake. | ||
| People don't make mistakes. | ||
| The people that have a job like that, you know, it's probably been in their family for generations. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I'm just going to create fictional people that I assume would never make a mistake like this. | ||
| If your argument is no one makes mistakes, or people in high-stakes positions don't make mistakes, I mean, sure. | ||
| It's maybe emotionally persuasive, but it's not definitive. | ||
| So there were multiple misreadings of smoke signals during the 1958 papal enclave. | ||
| One of them was most likely due to a fire mishap, like the difference in how they made black and white smoke had to do with wetness of hay and stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There are some problems with a smoke-based communication system. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And then the other one was due to the smoke being viewed after nightfall, where it was lit from below. | ||
| Oh, it made it appear to be white when it was in fact black smoke. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So there's real difficulties with symbolic announcements. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| There was some trouble in the 1939 Enclave as well when they released smoke that was supposed to be white but ultimately turned black, which naturally sent a mixed message. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And people were very confused. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So this is an imprecise system, which is why they now use chemicals to make sure that the correct color of smoke appears plainly for all to see. | ||
| It's a weird fix, but it's a good way to retain tradition, I guess. | ||
| Ah, yeah, sure, I suppose. | ||
| In the 1980s, an ultra-conservative Catholic named Gary Guffier decided to use the color confusion in the 1958 enclave to push a conspiracy theory that said that there was a pope who was decided when that first white smoke was seen, and it was this conservative cardinal named Giuseppe Siri. | ||
| Siri was allegedly voted in as Pope, but then he was threatened by Jews and Freemasons into not taking the position, so the Enclave continued on voting. | ||
| The 1958 enclave elected Pope John XXIII, but he would only live for a few more years after that, dying in 1963. | ||
| The subsequent enclave in 1963 elected Giovanni Montini, who took on the name Paul VI, but according to the conspiracy theory, again, it was supposed to be Cardinal Siri, but the Jews and Freemasons made a bunch of threats, which stopped his election again. | ||
| All this is nonsense, and there's no proof of any of it, and Siri himself has never gone on record about it and seems to show literally no... | ||
| towards supporting this theory yeah however in the 1958 enclave John the 23rd was elected and he was the Pope who called for the second Vatican Council which strongly condemned anti-semitism so this conspiracy theory gives the appearance of some kind of greater storyline behind the opposition to the post-council church that doesn't rely just on saying you want to deny the Holocaust right and That's what... | ||
| Hodden is espousing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's an elaborate theory he promotes because the church he wants to belong to doesn't support him denying the Holocaust and believing in ridiculous anti-Semitic conspiracies, which seems to be more important to him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's not willing to give that up. | ||
| See, I'm of the opinion that once you have a boy pope, once you've got a teenage pope... | ||
| Every pope after that has to be a teenager. | ||
| I think that should just be the rule. | ||
| Otherwise, it makes you look like maybe you were taking advantage of a child in order to gain power for yourself. | ||
| And you can't have that. | ||
| That's just not how religion works. | ||
| No, you shouldn't do that. | ||
| So they should always be a 14-year-old pope. | ||
| That's my new rule. | ||
| And you should vote digitally. | ||
| You don't need the smoke. | ||
| Well, see, the smoke, I believe, as I understand, is sort of a callback to or a thing about they have to burn all the ballots. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So no one knows who anybody voted for. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Oh, no, I understand the symbolism of it. | ||
| I'm just saying in my child Pope world, everybody's voting digitally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I mean, I think you're going to have a tough time. | ||
| Anti-Dy Cardinals ropes. | ||
| None of this red noise. | ||
| I think... | ||
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I'm making big changes. | |
| I think there's going to be a wider community of people who dislike your third Vatican Council. | ||
| I think Vatican III is going to be real unpopular. | ||
| I think that one's not going to go over well. | ||
| It's not going to be largely anti-Semites who are against you on this one. | ||
| See, but that's what we need. | ||
| Now that anti-Semites don't have anything to argue about, everybody's mad at Vatican III. | ||
| I don't think you're going to... | ||
| Look. | ||
| I'm not supporting you. | ||
| I'll be over here planting potatoes on the street in Chicago, and you can go try and start a whole new line of papacy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Hutton, just all over the place, man. | ||
| Go over that for people that don't understand it, and then let's get into the tyke over of the Catholic Church. | ||
| Well, they burn the ballots each time, so nobody knows who voted for whom after they're counted. | ||
| Then they put them in the fire there, inside the Sistine Chapel, and the smoke comes out the chimney. | ||
| It's either white or black, depending on whether the straw is wet or dry. | ||
| So when it comes out white, that means we have a pope elected. | ||
| And this 58 there on the 26th of October, it came out white and went that way for five minutes, and suddenly it started getting gray, and then it turned black. | ||
| And then they recalled the guards and said, hey, there's been a mistake. | ||
| As I say, that's unbelievable. | ||
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It's just not likely. | |
| It'd be the first time it ever happened. | ||
| Except for the last time in 1939. | ||
| Fire is number one thing that makes mistakes. | ||
| It's fire. | ||
| It's fire. | ||
| Everything burns. | ||
| It's a fucking Notre Dame burned. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Everything can burn. | ||
| Fire is somewhat unpredictable in many of its behaviors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's not something that is beyond the realm of possibility that there could be a mistake. | ||
| Yeah, especially with fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when one of your ingredients that's essential for creating the symbol is wet. | ||
| Yeah, a wet fire. | ||
| Why can't we control this wet fire? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not buying it. | ||
| No, it's hard to believe. | ||
| Not buying it, Hutton? | ||
| Somebody who's been doing this since their great-grandfather started the job would never make a mistake with fire. | ||
| Well, actually, he says, like, it's probably been in the family for a long time. | ||
| He does say, well, maybe indirectly, like your uncle or something. | ||
| Oh my god, fine, whatever. | ||
| Maybe it's not passed down to the firstborn, that responsibility. | ||
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Sure, fine. | |
| Could be all over the place. | ||
| Could be an avuncular thing. | ||
| I don't like this whole thing, Hutton. | ||
| So, I was really disappointed by this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And honestly, this is where I lost a lot of respect for Hutton Gibson. | ||
| And I had very little to begin with. | ||
| You didn't have much. | ||
| Alex asks him for some, like, behind-the-scenes stuff about the information about the 58 Enclave. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And all he has is dumb shit conspiracy theory talking points. | ||
| There is nothing here. | ||
| Now, Hutton, I've talked to some of your associates, and I've read some books on this subject. | ||
| Specifically going back to 1958, do you have any information on what happened behind the scenes or how they made them change the voting or go back and then announce a new pope? | ||
| I mean, how did that take place? | ||
| Well, apparently they elected somebody, and he would have been a man who was not particularly palatable to certain other interests. | ||
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and somebody went out and came back with the with that message this guy isn't gonna go we're not gonna we're going to run into trouble somebody's going to bomb Rome with the atom bomb, something like that. | |
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And instead of standing up to him and going over to the radio and broadcasting that, they folded up. | ||
| and elected somebody else without getting rid of the one they had already elected. | ||
| Now, do we know who they had really elected? | ||
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Well, I have a couple of pretty good guesses. | |
| I think it was probably Cardinal Siri from Genoa. | ||
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Or there's another one there. | |
| Tattaschini. | ||
| Tattaschini, okay. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Seems like that name might have been more on your radar. | ||
| Secret Pope seems pretty important. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rightful Pope. | ||
| The rightful Pope is pretty... | ||
| I would know the name. | ||
| This is all just the shit from the 80s. | ||
| This 80s conspiracy theory. | ||
| The nuking of Rome is what the threat was that the Jews and Freemasons had over them that made them re-vote against Ciri. | ||
| Yeah, it's just a load of shit. | ||
| I found this to be really disappointing because if I'm going to be listening to... | ||
| Mel Gibson's dad give me this nonsense conspiracy theory shit. | ||
| I want him to actually have something a little deeper. | ||
| Say what you want about Leo Zagami. | ||
| I was just going to bring him up. | ||
| He throws in so many details and all of these, like, he tells stories about people, like what they did in secret rooms. | ||
| There's details about what they were wearing. | ||
| Like, he's like, oh, yes, he was wearing it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He dresses this up so well of, like, he has insider information that he is making up, but it creates a robust world. | ||
| For this, it's just like, I don't know, go read one of those dumb books. | ||
| That are just the basics of this conspiracy. | ||
| That's as good as talking to Hutton Gibson, because that's all he's got. | ||
| I was just thinking that. | ||
| I was just thinking, if you want to have Hutton Gibson on to talk about Vatican II, you've got to tie him together with Leo Zagami. | ||
| Alex doesn't know Leo at this point. | ||
| I know, and that's why he shouldn't be saying anything about it. | ||
| Leo is not... | ||
| The Messiah at this point. | ||
| I'm not sure where Leo is in 2004. | ||
| Until you have the man who did 9-11 on your show. | ||
| Leo might be in prison in 2004. | ||
| I'm not sure where he's at. | ||
| I think he's still dancing. | ||
| I think he's still raving. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think his rave days were in the 80s and 90s. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| 2004. | ||
| That was when he was waking up. | ||
| Yeah, drying out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he's on an eight-year dry-up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I have one last clip here, and it's just Alex signing off on and agreeing with Hutton. | ||
| Take the National Rifle Association. | ||
| Please! | ||
| Decades ago, it was pro-gun. | ||
| Today, its job is disarming the American people. | ||
| They go into federal courts. | ||
| They botch cases. | ||
| They go after groups that are really pro-gun. | ||
| They're there to neutralize the five-plus million members to pacify them. | ||
| They've been overtaken. | ||
| The Baptist churches, a lot of them are pro-New World Order, anti-gun, anti-family. | ||
| It's happened to the Methodists. | ||
| It's happened to the Episcopalian. | ||
| I mean, you see these articles all the time. | ||
| You've seen it in your own church. | ||
| And this is what the elite is good at, is going in and taking over organizations, institutions, and clearly that's what happened with the Catholic Church after 1958. | ||
| So yeah, it's an interesting episode because you have Hutton Gibson, who, you know, is a horrible person by his beliefs. | ||
| Monstrous bigot. | ||
| All about it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He is not critical of the things that Hutton is saying. | ||
| He is completely on board with it. | ||
| He takes things just at face value. | ||
| He's lapping it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Simultaneously, he has a pastor on earlier in the show who did a gun buyback program. | ||
| Kill him! | ||
| I hate that guy! | ||
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| Spends most of the show shitting on him, saying he hasn't been saved, talking about how he's not a real pastor. | ||
| And this is a guy who... | ||
| From all appearances, spent a large portion of his time selflessly giving back to people who are vulnerable. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that kind of tells you what you need to know about Alex Jones. | ||
| It's really hard not to listen to this episode and be like, oh, well, I get it. | ||
| Somebody like that pastor from the Presbyterian Church is a monster and like... | ||
| A danger, in Alex's view. | ||
| And someone like Hutton Gibson is preaching the truth, and also we're not going to talk about all of the Holocaust denial that he does on air, because I want to present him as the person who's doing the truth. | ||
| And I don't want you to have to worry. | ||
| You're a little ahead about that. | ||
| Now, if someone calls in and tells me that I'm taking this verse, that I'm attacking the Presbyterian guy with Out of Context, well, we're going to hang up on that. | ||
| Hang up? | ||
| Yeah, we're not going to allow that kind of talk here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is kind of amazing to thump your Bible so hard that you can be described as a Christian by the world, despite the fact that you clearly hate more than anyone else in the Bible, Jesus Christ. | ||
| It feels like you wouldn't be into him. | ||
| It does feel like it would be a bummer for him to meet. | ||
| If Jesus was like, look, not everybody needs a sword. | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| Hang up. | ||
| Like, wouldn't that be, it would be, like, Jesus himself could appear and disagree with Alex and Alex would just be like, ah, fuck you, you're not Jesus. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| But Jesus might speak in a parable, and then Alex would be like, what I'm hearing is you like guns. | ||
| Did you just tell me to buy more guns? | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to interpret that how I like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| That's when Jesus, in real time, Jesus would be like, fuck, I should have just said it. | ||
| I should have just been straight up. | ||
| I just told too many stories. | ||
| That was my problem. | ||
| I was a storyteller. | ||
| I liked to do, you know. | ||
| With too much faith in people's abilities who think abstractly. | ||
| I had too much faith. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So yeah, I thought this was just an interesting document in and of itself. | ||
| This episode, the polar opposites of people who have faith that appears to be largely centered around things that... | ||
| Are genuinely benefits to society that help people, that are taking the energy that comes from your beliefs and channeling it into something good. | ||
| And somebody who is clearly so angry about the church repudiating anti-Semitism and creating their entire life and their beliefs. | ||
| Around attacking and delegitimizing the Catholic Church because they believe that they should still have those beliefs pre-Second Vatican Council. | ||
| It's just two sides of the coin, and you see which side Alex likes. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is nice, in some respects, the extremity of this show, because it makes things so stark. | ||
| You know, like, we don't have somebody who's complicated. | ||
| We don't have two complicated people. | ||
| We have very clear heroes and villains here. | ||
| This is maybe the most stark difference between a hero and villain in real life I think I've seen in a long time. | ||
| In the same episode, no less. | ||
| In the same episode. | ||
| It's bananas! | ||
| Yeah, and one of them is somebody that Alex has to lure onto the show on what probably were false premises. | ||
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| He said that, you know, it was essentially an ambush, and he delighted in this guy not knowing what he was getting into. | ||
| And then the other person is Mel Gibson's dad, who gets treated like royalty, and Alex fake laughs at everything he says, and does that obsequious ass, sometimes it's in the afternoon, sometimes it's in the morning, depends on where you are. | ||
| Aren't you so right, Mr. Gibson? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, the past. | ||
| You know, I mean, you learn things from looking at it. | ||
| And you see this pile of shit, Alex Jones. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Never was good. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Always sucked. | ||
| But, we'll be back. | ||
| Indeed we will. | ||
| Unless you have any other thoughts. | ||
| I mean, I think it's amazing that that is... | ||
| I mean, it is kind of amazing that you can't see that. | ||
| Like, the idea that you can be inside that situation that Alex is in and not be able to see very clearly what's going on. | ||
| I would suggest that it's possible that he does. | ||
| Yeah, it's possible too. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And maybe is aware. | ||
| He's on purpose. | ||
| Yeah, because things like what that Presbyterian pastor, what he stands for, in theory, allowing people to turn in guns. | ||
| To feel more safe. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Feeding the hungry. | ||
| Providing shelter for the unhoused. | ||
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| Those aren't things that fit in with Alex's political set. | ||
| Those aren't things that he wants. | ||
| He would want people to, I guess, be forced to have guns. | ||
| He would want people... | ||
| It feels like he wants to force people to have guns, right? | ||
| Yeah, and he wants people who are experiencing homelessness to have a harder time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has no mercy within him. | ||
| And then, you know, something like Hutton politically does. | ||
| He is somebody whose political set aligns closely with Alex, so I don't care that he doesn't think the Holocaust happened. | ||
| I mean, it's so funny how much fighting people do between religions. | ||
| Like, oh, Islam and Christianity. | ||
| It's like, man, you can go to a fucking... | ||
| 20-mile radius in the Midwest, and you will find 15 different versions of Christianity that would all kill each other if there weren't other people to fight. | ||
| Or at least they would shake fists. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm being hyperbolic. | ||
| They wouldn't all just kill each other. | ||
| But the point is that they don't actually agree on shit at all. | ||
| And you can just tune into an episode of Alex Jones and hear some folks who don't agree, and Alex seemingly not agree even with himself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, we'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| I lost it! | ||
| No, never mind. | ||
| Cut that out. | ||
| I can't believe I accidentally did that. | ||
| I'm not going to cut it out because I think it's funny. | ||
| That was a complete brain... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I don't know what happened to my brain right there. | ||
| I stroked out. | ||
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Dead Twitter accounts. | |
| Go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| It's dead! | ||
| He's in bed. | ||
| There's none! | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
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Clark! | |
| Woo yeah, woo yeah! | ||
| Here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |