#804: May 3-4, 2023
Today, Dan and Jordan discuss two wild days in Alex's life. In this installment, Alex takes over Steven Crowder's studio, does damage control for Tucker, and discusses how he got prank called at length.
May 5, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
02:05:35
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller in my future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Quick question for you, buddy. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| Why don't you take the wheel? | ||
| Well, Dan, May the 4th be with you. | ||
| I've heard that before. | ||
| Yes, indeed. | ||
| We're recording that on... | ||
| It's May the 4th. | ||
| Star Wars. | ||
| Followed closely by Cingo DeMaio. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's a double feature. | ||
| Right left. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| No, and so there is a series that Star Wars puts out called Star Wars Visions, and they have a bunch of different animating studios make these short stories that are... | ||
| So, so unique inside the world of Star Wars. | ||
| There's definitely a point of view that you don't get from other creators and the like, because with the less attention and the less budget, they're allowed to do more interesting things. | ||
| So this season, you've got, like, Claymation done by, like... | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| Yeah, there's all kinds of... | ||
| There's the people who did Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, their animation style. | ||
| There's all these cool little short stories. | ||
| Did they get somebody from Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark? | ||
| I don't know, but there was some rotoscope, so it's possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But yeah, it's just a really, really good way to view things whenever you're allowed to be inside this world. | ||
| And my theory on why it's really, really touching in a way is because the world of Star Wars is so familiar to me. | ||
| It is very similar to the real world in as far as how emotionally connected I can be to stories within it. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So it is more affecting than some other type of fantasy story because I lived in Star Wars. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I guess, yeah. | ||
| Yes, you do now. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You fully understand. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Well, I guess it's, you know, like my parents gave me a tube of bath bombs. | ||
| For my birthday. | ||
| Or maybe it was Christmas, even. | ||
| Because, yeah, they've been in the bathroom for a while. | ||
| I mean, I gave you some bath bombs. | ||
| Do you use mine? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| Okay, it was pretty good. | ||
| But these ones, they have things in them. | ||
| I didn't realize that. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Like eyeballs? | ||
| No, like there was one, and it fizzed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then when it was gone, there was a gold coin inside. | ||
| Like a pirate treasure coin. | ||
| One had a ring in it. | ||
| One had a heart. | ||
| And then this last one. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So it made the tub blue. | ||
| The water was like blue Kool-Aid. | ||
| I've done that. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| The thing that it had inside it was a bunch of little snowflakes. | ||
| So it made it like an ice... | ||
| Icy Wonderland bath. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| I'm grasping at straws. | ||
| No, I had one of the bath bombs that I got in Dublin. | ||
| They made all these custom bath bombs that you could make there. | ||
| And one of the things that we got was one that was filled with a lot more glitter than I expected. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I was covered in glitter for two days. | ||
| You never expect the staying power of glitter. | ||
| It never goes away. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's not to be trifled with. | ||
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No. | |
| That's why glitter bombing is terrorism. | ||
| It's a powerful tool. | ||
| And we need to treat it as such. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about May 3rd and 4th. | ||
| May it be with you. | ||
| 2023! | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| That is Wednesday and Thursday. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| As present day as it can be, quite frankly. | ||
| And, yeah, weird week schedule-wise. | ||
| You know, we had your interview episode on Monday, and then we recorded that interview on Tuesday night with Mark, and it was going to come out on Wednesday. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then scheduling time due to, like, some of the content, we had to put it out in the afternoon. | ||
| Scooping. | ||
| The snakes were sneaking all... | ||
| The sneaky snakes went crazy this week. | ||
| Yeah, just wild. | ||
| Alex had been out of studio, though, so it was all just... | ||
| You know, just perfect timing for all that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But now, Alex is back. | ||
| And better than ever. | ||
| It's time to get down to business. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Better than ever. | ||
| It's Big Boy Pants time. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Oh, it is. | ||
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unidentified
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Oh, it is. | |
| It's big boy pants time. | ||
| Also, I got a little bit of feedback that I was busting your balls a little bit on the last episode. | ||
| That's our dynamic. | ||
| I know, but I admit that I was poking fun at your interview skills. | ||
| Sure, of course. | ||
| But it wasn't fun. | ||
| I was not being malicious. | ||
| I just want everyone to know that I think it's fantastic that you're doing these interviews. | ||
| No, no, no, of course. | ||
| I'm not insulting you. | ||
| See, that's the thing that people don't know about us personally, is that you know me well enough to know that No matter what, my ego needs to be kept in check at all costs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's preventative. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| If you don't get a baseline, like, think about how confident I am right now. | ||
| Imagine if I didn't have near constant hatred. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I'd be out of control. | ||
| And it's best when that hatred comes from someone who cares. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, because then we can be friends afterwards. | ||
| But yeah, I knew everything was fine on our front, but I did see some people commenting on that and I wanted to know that there's no animosity or weirdness between us. | ||
| We've been doing this for years. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have this episode, but first we have some wonks to say hello to. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, don't bet a bippy you can't afford to lose. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're on Our Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| You bet your bottom bippy. | ||
| Next, Celine's College Fund. | ||
| Thank you so much, Renow Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Celine ain't going to college. | ||
| School of hard knocks. | ||
| Next, Alex sounds like he's saying Riddler at the beginning of the theme, and you can never unhear that. | ||
| Thank you so much, Renow Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, to Tommy from Katie, K-A-D-I-E, with love. | ||
| That would make my world. | ||
| And then there's like a heart emoji. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I signed up as Tommy and Katie just in case you couldn't do that special shout- Oh, wait. | ||
| I think the shout-out ended it to Tommy from Katie with love. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I extended it too far. | ||
| How do you pronounce the heart emoji? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| And Jordan's Austin Pharmacist. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I think I know who that is. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And we had a technocrat in the mix. | ||
| God, I don't approve of this, but whatever. | ||
| I mean, I approve of the person, and I'm sure they're wonderful, but I don't approve of this name. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But thank you so much to Dan's been licking and sticking Nancy Reagan and secretly loves it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
|
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So we're going to start here on The Third. | ||
| The Third. | ||
| And The Third is actually a very interesting day. | ||
| I don't think I've seen something quite like this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| At least in a while. | ||
| And that is that Alex is recording an episode, but not from his own studio. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Now, a couple times we've seen him in a hotel room or something when he's on a workcation. | ||
| Is he finally calling in from the car entirely? | ||
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No. | |
| The whole thing. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| One road trip from Austin to New York. | ||
| I'm doing a 24-hour. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to see America. | ||
| I will be broadcasting from small towns. | ||
| Actually, that was a fantasy that I had before we started this podcast. | ||
| One of the things that I thought about doing was getting an RV and doing a podcast from small towns. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And just experiencing it, talking to people, doing whatever, and then the audience could tell me where to go next. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I thought that would be a really fun idea, but... | ||
| I don't want to live in an RV. | ||
| Salih doesn't want to live in an RV. | ||
| I think we've all been in that place of, like, maybe I just hit the road, and then we're like, logistics are a nightmare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think some of that may come from our time doing stand-up, though, too. | ||
| That, like, fantasy of the road life and what have you. | ||
| I've always wanted to live the road, man. | ||
| But no, that's not where Alex is. | ||
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No. | |
| He's in Texas. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Another city in Texas. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's at Steven Crowder's studio. | ||
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Oh. | |
| He's recording his episode from Steven Crowder's studio. | ||
| Wait, he's recording his episode from Crowder's studio? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His shit is so broke now. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this live Wednesday edition of the Alice Jones Show. | ||
| It's May 3rd, 2023, and I come to you live from the amazing studios in an unknown location in Texas of the great Steven Crowder and his wonderful crew. | ||
| We'll be here for the next three hours and 55 minutes, and then Owen Schroeder, 3 p.m. Central today from the M4 studios in the once great city of Austin, Texas, now taking over the lawless George Soros left. | ||
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Oh. | |
| When did that happen? | ||
| I like that Owen doesn't get to go on field trips. | ||
| No. | ||
| Crowder doesn't like you. | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| You're staying home this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know he was like, oh, am I coming too? | ||
| No. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No room in the car. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I gotta take... | ||
| No, I see you're taking the tour bus. | ||
| There's like three beds in there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I gotta take... | ||
| Well, I mean, look. | ||
| I gotta take Barnes. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, of course you gotta take Barnes. | ||
| He just wants to get out of town. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Feel the wind in his hair. | ||
| His bald hair. | ||
| His bald head. | ||
| Yeah, I think that Austin's always been pretty lefty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know when it fell to the left. | ||
| The once great city. | ||
| It was a stronghold for the left, and now it is overrun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is interesting timing. | ||
| I don't know how much you've been following the situation with Stephen Crowder's life. | ||
| It is still my goal to know as little as possible about what's going on. | ||
| Okay, so Stephen Crowder had that situation with the Daily Wire. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You remember that because we talked about that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They offered him a contract, and then he... | ||
| We did the whole thing and it was a bunch of whining. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Yes, mostly. | ||
| And so, in the aftermath of that, Candace Owens made a video where she said that he's got a lot on his plate and people should pray for him. | ||
| And it was kind of... | ||
| Maybe in a, like... | ||
| Backhanded compliment-y kind of... | ||
| There was a feeling of that Midwest-Southern bless-your-heart kind of we're-praying-for-you vibe. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| A little bit of that. | ||
| There was a tiny bit of fuck you in there, but it wasn't over. | ||
| So then, flash forward a bit. | ||
| Until fairly recently, within the last couple weeks, Steven Crowder puts out a video where he discusses that he is getting a divorce and has been in the process of this divorce for a while and that he had been trying to keep it secret and that... | ||
| Candace Owens... | ||
| He heavily implied that Candace Owens was extorting him. | ||
| He can't... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He can't take the contract until the divorce is finalized. | ||
| Otherwise, the income goes into the divorce. | ||
| No, because he took a contract with Rumble. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, I mean the Daily Wire thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know how much the Rumble contract is paying, but probably a bit. | ||
| I mean, not as much probably as the Daily Wire. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| I don't know where the varying levels of pockets. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I don't know about divorce law. | ||
| That's an interesting theory. | ||
| And that may be, but I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| So anyway, he was very seriously and strongly insinuated that Candace Owens was extorting him about the fact that he was getting a divorce, which he was keeping private for the safety of his children, ostensibly, or something along those lines. | ||
| So Candace Owens is like... | ||
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Fuck you, man. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| You can't call me a blackmailer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I'm rich. | ||
| This becomes a huge mess. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And in the process of it, somebody releases some ring camera footage of Steven Crowder being a real fucking asshole to his very pregnant then wife. | ||
| Great! | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so public opinion has become quite against Stephen Crowder in terms of his behavior. | ||
| I believe, as I understand, some of the main things in this video that was released, there's him trying to get her to feed the dog some medicine that's dangerous for pregnant women to... | ||
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A touch? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's... | ||
| What? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's a wifely duty thing, kind of. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So there's that, and then off camera, apparently he said, I will fuck you up. | ||
| Great, great. | ||
| Which, I've heard that said, I've not seen any rebuttal, and in the article that I read, it said that Steven Crowder acknowledged saying that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| You remember all those red flag things we have about potential violence towards women? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's up on the top. | ||
| The number one. | ||
| Red flag. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From the sense of it that I get having not really dug super deep into this, we have very clear instance and allegations of emotional abuse. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Verbal. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Psychological. | ||
| Hey, it's only one short step to physical, and most people make it there. | ||
| Yeah, but I am not sure if that is the case, but it may be, it might not be. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| So, this is where we find Steven Crowder right now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's doing great. | ||
| In the little bit of the time after this, where now maybe he's become even more of a toxic commodity to the people in his sphere. | ||
| You have people who might have been thrilled to have him on the show before, or maybe you're like, I don't know about this. | ||
| Nah, but not Alex. | ||
| He's right there with him. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| Alex is also clearly an emotional abuser who doesn't respect his spouse. | ||
| The last time we talked about Crowder, we were like, oh man, I wonder if he's coming to InfoWars. | ||
| And we're like, I don't know. | ||
| He might be too big. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| InfoWars, baby! | ||
| Alex is broadcasting from your studio. | ||
| Yeah, Alex is in your chair. | ||
| Oh my god, yeah. | ||
| The metaphor for that is astonishingly on point. | ||
| Alex is behind your fucking desk and you're in the guest chair, buddy. | ||
|
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You might as well take... | |
| Alex might as well be wearing a Steven Crowder mask and then take it off and be like, it was me the whole time. | ||
| He's wearing one of Steven Crowder's shirts. | ||
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No! | |
| The Fight Like Hell shirt. | ||
| That is fucking embarrassing. | ||
| Does anybody know symbolism anymore? | ||
| Do we need to call Umberto Echo? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| You might need to get him in the mix. | ||
| So yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| I believe, yeah, the last time we talked about it, it was like, yeah, he's too big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now I think he's gettable. | ||
| He's right in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's in the pocket. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Especially the reputational damage and institutional damage that he did to himself with the entire fiasco with Daily Wire makes, I think, probably most reputable businesses not want to work with him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Seems like somebody that might leak the insides of your contract might fuck Not good. | ||
| Yeah, so there's a number of that thing, and then other stuff, it just seems like maybe he's an asshole. | ||
| There's a bunch of people who have worked with him before who have come out and said, like, yeah, the Steven you saw in that video is the real him. | ||
| There's, like... | ||
| People have come out and said he exposed himself at work on multiple occasions. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, he's in a bad place. | ||
| You know, it is so fascinating to me how when somebody with the ideological bent that leans towards doing these things to people... | ||
| When people work for them, they cannot engage in any of the behavior, like, say, reporting him for doing all this shit, because they ideologically believe that he should be allowed to abuse them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| Go to a union? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| Go to workplace harassment? | ||
| Yeah, I just suck it up and allow him to abuse people until it becomes public and then other people take care of it for me. | ||
| Or I have to get all the way to the point where I'm changing my political ideals. | ||
| Totally, yeah. | ||
| So also Alex in that clip said that they're going to be there for four hours. | ||
| They are not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They are there for two hours, and then Owen is hosting back in Austin. | ||
| He covers the rest of the show. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| So before Stephen comes in, Alex is getting to a little bit of news. | ||
| We'll also be looking at two drone strikes in the early morning hours today in Moscow, attacking the living quarters of Vladimir Putin. | ||
| They're able to shoot down the drones. | ||
| And then they exploded once they were hit. | ||
| That is a serious act of war, and the Russians have said an attempted assassination of Putin is a serious red line. | ||
| So yeah, there was a drone that flew over the Kremlin, which may or may not have been shot down. | ||
| The exact purpose of the drone's mission is unknown, and all parties have been denying responsibility for it. | ||
| It's a little rich of Alex to make a big deal out of this being an act of war, though, seeing as Russia is currently engaged in a war of aggression against Ukraine. | ||
| Even if the drone was sent by Ukraine, are they not allowed to do acts of war when they're in a war that they didn't start? | ||
| I mean, I would say that the number one thing everyone should be doing right now I was trying to kill Putin. | ||
| Why? | ||
| No, what? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| If you're at war, the leader of the war is also at war who gets to be wared at. | ||
|
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Right, right, right. | |
| If anybody gets to die, Putin gets to die. | ||
| Here's how comical this nonsense is. | ||
| I'm like, I don't want our listeners to think that it's a good idea. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| It's totally cool to kill Putin. | ||
| If anybody wants to walk to Russia right now and kill him, that's fine. | ||
| I think, well, hmm. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I'm torn on the messaging. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| You can't not be like, hey, you can kill Hitler. | ||
| We're not going to live in a not-kill-Hitler world. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| Not for me. | ||
| Other people can choose the true forgiveness of God. | ||
| That's not what I'm talking about. | ||
| Other people can do whatever. | ||
| Every human life is precious. | ||
| That's not what I'm talking about either. | ||
| You can do that all you want. | ||
| But that motherfucker can die every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| That's not what I'm talking about. | ||
| I'm talking about encouraging violent behaviors in people. | ||
| You know, like that line. | ||
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Towards Hitler! | |
| I encourage violent behavior towards Hitler. | ||
| We can't live in that not world. | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| But that's war, right? | ||
| We have to accept that that's... | ||
| You can't start a war at somebody. | ||
| Well, but here's the kind of issue that I'm butting up against when you say that it's war. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| We're not in that war. | ||
| But does that not... | ||
| Like, are you not allowed to join the side of the war against him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Could you be a mercenary? | ||
| I mean, truthfully... | ||
| I mean, I guess you probably could. | ||
| There's official channels maybe that you would go through. | ||
| We can always go there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's how you become a great writer. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| No, I would say this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a best world, we take one attack on any of us in aggression as an attack on all of us. | ||
| Well, you're getting dangerously close to libertarianism, my boy. | ||
| Ah, what? | ||
| Libertarianism? | ||
| Non-aggression principle, baby. | ||
| No, I mean that if somebody attacks anybody, they are attacking the entire human race. | ||
| And the entire human race must be willing to stamp out this... | ||
| Nightmare. | ||
| That's not quite libertarian, I guess. | ||
| That's a little bit not libertarian. | ||
| So there's a couple things that I find interesting about the situation with the drone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The first is that Putin's spokesperson has blamed the U.S. for the drone, saying that Ukraine launched it on U.S. orders. | ||
| No evidence was shown to support this claim, but that's some wild kind of talk to be throwing around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The second thing I find interesting is that until a few years ago, Alex would very easily have said that this was an instance of Putin false flagging himself to blame his enemies. | ||
| So he could justify greater aggression against them. | ||
| Not anymore, though, because Putin's just the best. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, this doesn't... | ||
| I do appreciate that kind of a, like, oh, yeah, the U.S. was like, hey, Ukraine, hey, buddy, don't you want to do it? | ||
| Just send a drone. | ||
| Just send one drone. | ||
| Come on, buddy. | ||
| Just send one drone. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Maybe a couple. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Just send a couple. | ||
| What, are you not going to try it? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| The United States peer pressured Ukraine into an assassination attempt. | ||
| It's totally cool, man. | ||
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It's totally cool. | |
| So, we get to the issue of Tucker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And here's where Alex is on this. | ||
| There's been some leaks of information about Tucker. | ||
| Some videos of him before his show starts on Fox Nation. | ||
| Him saying, no one watches Fox Nation. | ||
| This channel sucks. | ||
| That fast. | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| So Alex's belief, which he's going to articulate here, is that they're trying to lure him into breaking his non-disparagement clause. | ||
| He thinks that it's Fox and Rupert Murdoch himself who's, like, leaking this stuff, basically. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| So that's where he's at. | ||
| And speaking of more, I want to talk about Tucker Carlson. | ||
| I covered this some in the last hour of the show yesterday, but Stephen agrees, my listeners agree, my crew agrees, everybody I talk to agrees. | ||
| The dirt that Fox News, and that's who's releasing the satellite raw feeds of Tucker Carlson making jokes about media matters and about postmenopausal women and things like that. | ||
| He's being done by Fox because Tucker has a non-disparagement clause in his contract. | ||
| He's not been disparaging Fox News. | ||
| Oh, no, he is. | ||
| So they're leaking it, disgustingly, to media matters, hoping that by messing with Tucker and getting in his face that he will then strike back at them and then they can play some type of game with his contract. | ||
| Now, I can tell everybody that wants to bring down Tucker Carlson some news. | ||
| I know the inside baseball. | ||
| I know what really went on. | ||
| And I've known this information in confidence, so I will not be telling you what I know here. | ||
| I just want everybody laughing, everybody thinking you've got a victory to know. | ||
| You have just made Tucker Carlson bigger. | ||
| Just like censoring M4 has only made us bigger. | ||
| And Tucker Carlson is not going anywhere. | ||
| And I would leave it at that. | ||
| And I would also say that for a lot of the groups out there, Patrick Van Davis is a really nice guy. | ||
| I like him a lot. | ||
| Newsmax has some people over there. | ||
| I know they're all offering Tucker. | ||
| $100 million contracts, the rest of it, over the next five years, to just say this. | ||
| I wouldn't hold your breath, because Tucker's already been through the experience of having bosses at the Heritage Foundation, and then at CNN, and then at a bunch of other places, and Tucker wants to be his own boss. | ||
| And in the future, in the very near future, I would expect Tucker Carlson... | ||
| To launch his own operation. | ||
| And around that, build an entire new network. | ||
| I just have a feeling about that. | ||
| Hey, don't listen to Alex Jones. | ||
| What have I predicted? | ||
| What do I know? | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| If you really want to break down some of these predictions. | ||
| Do we want to ask that question? | ||
| So yeah, I think maybe that's probably true. | ||
| If I were Tucker, I wouldn't want to have a fucking boss at this point. | ||
| You're a bajillionaire. | ||
| Why would you ever work for anyone ever again? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, the difficulty there, though, is you start your own operation and you become so much more on the hook for things. | ||
| And there's just logistical difficulties that, like, I think that... | ||
| Probably the headache of it someone in his position wouldn't want. | ||
| The cost out of pocket to start your own operation in the way that Alex or someone like Tucker's ego would demand, that's a lot of money on the table. | ||
| You know, it's so crazy to me because I'm just thinking like, holy shit, if I'm Tucker, I can start a podcast tomorrow, get a million downloads, and have a comfortable... | ||
| Like, just leave all the money or give all the money to other people. | ||
| That would be more than enough money for me. | ||
| I don't understand how to be rich, Dan. | ||
| This is maybe the bigger problem. | ||
| That is an issue. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Tucker could just do MeUndies ads. | ||
| He could! | ||
| Or he could join the Pillow Man network. | ||
| That would be fun! | ||
| I think that would be fun, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, Crowder's gotta feel great that Alex is sitting in his studio and talking about how great Tucker Carlson is. | ||
| But Alex touches on the... | ||
| Whirlwind that is going on in Crowder's life. | ||
| And it turns out all of that, Cointelpro. | ||
| Okay, that makes sense. | ||
| All of us with those little actions build monumental collective efforts. | ||
| And we have to start using that power right now. | ||
| And that means in the information war, you've got to share the links, share the videos, take the clips you think are most important, and post them on TikTok, post them on Instagram, post them on Twitter, post them on Facebook, post them on YouTube, and also post them on all the, quote, new sites like Rumble, like Gab, like the many other sites that are out there that are exploding in size. | ||
| And that's why they've not just come after me or not just come after Carlson. | ||
| It's why they're coming after Steven Crowder. | ||
| And I happen to know the inside baseball on that. | ||
| I'm not going to reveal it. | ||
| I'm going to ask not to on that as well. | ||
| But let me just say this. | ||
| When push comes to shove and it's come to shove, Steven Crowder will be completely vindicated in triplicate with a royal flush with what's going on. | ||
| Because the same COINTELPRO dirty tactics that they used against Martin Luther King have been used against Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Stephen Crowder, and many, many other people like Roger Stone. | ||
| What do all those people have? | ||
| We live this. | ||
| We deal with this. | ||
| We know how they operate. | ||
| We know what they do. | ||
| These are intelligence agencies. | ||
| All those people, they have in common? | ||
| They're like Martin Luther King. | ||
| I mean, okay. | ||
| I would say this. | ||
| I would say this. | ||
| If you were to put that on the SAT, I do not think that you would get the same answer as Alex has insisted. | ||
| Alex, Tucker, Crowder, Roger Stone, scammy shitheads? | ||
| Is that the commonality between them? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Civil rights leaders. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's that grouping. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Cointel Pro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| Cointelpro. | ||
| Him being a dick to his wife. | ||
| Cointelpro. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Also, there was a weird thing. | ||
| I didn't bring this up because it was a ways back, but that first video that he did where he discussed how he was being extorted about his divorce, Crowder made at least a couple mentions of how much it bothered him that... | ||
| His wife could just decide that she wanted to get divorced and that was enough. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| He was lamenting that he wasn't able to keep her forcefully married to him. | ||
| He's a weird dude. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Cointelpro. | ||
| You know, here's the problem with that, all right? | ||
| That is just remembering a time only 70 years ago. | ||
| That's not like, oh, what an absurd thought this man had. | ||
| Not the law of the United States for most of its entire existence. | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| So I understand people thinking that that's ridiculous. | ||
| It is, though. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| It's ridiculous, but it is not that distant of a memory. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's more what I mean. | ||
| Not like that it's an unreasonable, stupid... | ||
| The same thing could be said if he was like, I'm pissed that she can get a credit card in her name. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I'm pissed that she can have a job without my consent. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It's bizarre, though. | ||
| It's bizarre to hear. | ||
| Especially from someone who's like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's younger than me, I think. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's not far back enough. | ||
| It would be like him being like, oh, man, I'm so mad women have the right to vote. | ||
| And you're like, man, we've settled that. | ||
| That's gone. | ||
| That's way too far back. | ||
| We're not going back from there. | ||
| You know, like, he should be like, oh. | ||
| But no fault divorce. | ||
| That's, oh. | ||
| Apparently that's a live issue. | ||
| I mean. | ||
| So Alex gets back to talking about the Russia business. | ||
| I've got a lot of huge news here that I mentioned in the first big segment, but let's go ahead and drill into it right now. | ||
| We'll show you some video of that for TV viewers. | ||
| But this is a big deal. | ||
| You have Zelensky in the last six months launching hundreds of drone assaults directed by NATO with the NATO intelligence hundreds of miles into Russia and into Moscow itself. | ||
| Now, in the early morning hours today in Russia, the living quarters of Vladimir Putin... | ||
| It was attacked by two drones. | ||
| Two of them both were shot down. | ||
| Now, obviously, if the Russians bombed the Capitol building in Kiev, it would be called a war crime. | ||
| They've not been hitting main civilian targets reportedly on purpose. | ||
| I'm not a Russian apologist. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| That's why they all walk around out in the open in the main cities. | ||
| A few missiles have gone astray, but they've mainly been hitting military targets and infrastructure targets. | ||
| Like power stations and factories. | ||
| This just is not true. | ||
| Over the course of the past 14 months or so of the war, Russia has attacked civilian targets on numerous occasions. | ||
| They've bombed hospitals, they've repeatedly shelled the city of Kharkiv, they've targeted schools, shopping malls, apartment buildings, and even multiple humanitarian corridors that were established to allow civilians to flee dangerous areas. | ||
| by saying the things he's saying, Alex is 100% being a Russia apologist. | ||
| He doesn't want people to think that he is, and he knows that once the fog of war clears, he doesn't want people to think that he's a Russian. | ||
| It's not gonna change. | ||
| Because Alex is a complete idiot, in October of last year, Russia carried out multiple missile attacks on Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Among other things, the missiles hit a playground and a university. | |
| It's a convenient excuse to say that you were targeting some kind of a legitimate military site whenever you actually hit an apartment building and kill a ton of civilians, but when that starts to become a pattern, the excuse seems a little weak. | ||
| And before anybody gets any ideas in my head... | ||
| Feel the same way about our drone program. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| The United States is guilty of this as well. | ||
| We don't get to look over at them and be like, oh, that drone program. | ||
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Right. | |
| And to the extent that there may be an errant missile that hits an apartment building, still responsible for that. | ||
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Totally. | |
| That's how it works. | ||
| You don't get a whoopsie. | ||
| I meant to hit something else. | ||
| You should be held responsible for the thing that was done, not the thing you meant to do when it comes to blowing things up. | ||
| As a clown. | ||
| If I were to throw a pie at you and hit the wrong person, that's unfortunate. | ||
| We can have a conversation and we'll all forgive each other. | ||
| If that was a missile... | ||
| The bit is ruined. | ||
| The bit is ruined. | ||
| Well, it might be improved. | ||
| Depends on whether or not the Harlem Globetrotters are nearby. | ||
| But a missile changes things. | ||
| A missile escalates the problem. | ||
| It does. | ||
| And if you can't be relied on to have the accuracy that would be required to hit these targets that are near civilian targets, you should not be using those... | ||
| Those systems. | ||
| That's not a big jump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so anyway, Alex is just full of shit and lying. | ||
| And also, you can't be mad at somebody in a war if they start attacking your house. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I mean, it's not like a Russian soldier can be in there in Ukraine and be like... | ||
| Man, these people are fighting back. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| Someone who supported Russia would not see it as egregious to attack the Capitol building in Ukraine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And vice versa. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And Alex and his buddy stormed the Capitol on January 6th. | ||
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Totally. | |
| What are we doing? | ||
| Somebody shit in Nancy Pelosi's office. | ||
| What are any of us doing? | ||
| Why are we talking? | ||
| So, look, they never tried to kill Zelensky, though. | ||
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What? | |
| Sleeps on his train at night that drives around different parts of Russia, an armored train. | ||
| Because of this issue, there's tunnels under the Kremlin to other areas. | ||
| And Putin reportedly sleeps underground. | ||
| Kind of like U.S. presidents sleep underground. | ||
| There's a bunker under the White House. | ||
| There's an underground train system that's admitted to. | ||
| I thought they had a nice bed. | ||
| It's classified, but the word is it goes all the way out to Colorado. | ||
| There's been a lot of underground digging and things going on. | ||
| But the big issue here is... | ||
| This is a nuclear war provocation. | ||
| To try to kill the head of state, something that Putin hasn't even done openly in Ukraine. | ||
| Wait, openly? | ||
| That's a big qualifier. | ||
| That's a huge qualifier. | ||
| That's a very large qualifier. | ||
| Yeah, there have been many assassination attempts on Zelensky during the war. | ||
| Groups of Chechen mercenaries and members of the Wagner group have been enlisted to take on plots to kill Zelensky, and they've just failed. | ||
| If you accept the premise that this drone was an assassination attempt on Putin, which is a dubious assumption to begin with, then it comes after repeated plots to kill Zelensky. | ||
| Alex denies these things happen because he's a Putin apologist, and he fully supports him in his war against Ukraine, but he doesn't want to have to deal with the inconvenient facts. | ||
| That make this position harder to defend. | ||
| And so he just acts like they didn't happen. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| I mean, I just, I don't like that. | ||
| I just don't like it. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| You should, if you want to apologize, you should have to apologize for the real shit that happened. | ||
| And just acknowledge it, and then we can move from there. | ||
| If you just deny it happened, then fuck off. | ||
| I can't even live with you. | ||
| Yeah, it does make arguing meaningless. | ||
| So Stephen shows up. | ||
| The crowd man. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| The crowd source. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The crowd. | ||
| I'll come up with something. | ||
| Yeah, you'll get it. | ||
| But yeah, so Alex decides, like, hey, I've been talking about Tucker in Steven's studio. | ||
| Why not talk about him to Steven? | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Make it feel even less relevant. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you're useless. | ||
| But Steven, with all this big news, the open borders, the end of Title 42, the bank collapse. | ||
| All the transgender cult going crazy. | ||
| I think what you bring up on here is most central. | ||
| This is a spiritual battle, good versus evil. | ||
| I can tell you that I was told by sources very close to Tucker that, yeah, the main thing was him becoming Christian and really preaching it to people, and that that really upset Rupert Murdoch. | ||
| And so what is it about the name of Jesus? | ||
| What is it about... | ||
| Being a Christian broadcaster that scares the system so much, you brought this up today, and I think it's really central. | ||
| I don't want to say you've been a better Christian than me, but I know your pastoral history, nobody's perfect. | ||
| You've been very steadfast in your beliefs since you were very, very young, and that's really what's guided you. | ||
| So talk about your facts. | ||
| I think you actually brought it up today, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| Yeah, that was you, Alec. | ||
| You brought that up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was on you. | ||
| So this is the weakest reason I can imagine to propose for why Tucker got fired. | ||
| It's a good way to amplify and play into the very addictive feelings of persecution. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| So I understand why he's doing it. | ||
| It's just that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, listen to this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't realize this until I dug around a little bit. | ||
| Rupert Murdoch is supposedly pissed that Tucker was becoming more Christian, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But Alex, and you, and me, might be surprised to learn that Murdoch's company, News Corp, owns a Christian media entity called Zondervan, which owns the rights to the NIV version of the Bible. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| They own the commercial rights to the new international version of the Bible. | ||
| So Rupert Murdoch literally owns the Bible. | ||
| One version of it. | ||
| He owns a version of the Bible. | ||
| I don't think we should be allowed to... | ||
| Humanity needs to step back for a while. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what that means in practice. | ||
| Like, if you can't publish an NIV Bible without getting the permission? | ||
| Does that mean they get to edit the Bible? | ||
| And if that's the case, I think we should really... | ||
| I would assume they might have to call it out if they do. | ||
| I doubt they do. | ||
| So they also published Rick Warren's bestseller, The Purpose Driven Life, among other books my grandmother probably sent me as a birthday gift. | ||
| So, like, Rupert Murdoch's not bad about Christians. | ||
| Look at the on-air talent of Fox News. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm pretty sure almost all of them have talked about their Christianity. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Because there's nonsense. | ||
| It's heartening for me to go back to my roots and see Christians really arguing about nonsense at each other. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels like home. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For me, it's exhausting in a way that I'm just like, I'll see you guys. | ||
| True, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm gonna go. | ||
| Oh, no, you deal with it yourselves. | ||
| So Stephen talks a little bit about the intersection of Christianity and ethics. | ||
| And I think this is stupid. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that was incredibly effective, by the way. | ||
| We were sitting there going, like, oh my gosh, it's an Alex Jones altar call. | ||
| It's not going to help with the Sam Kinnison comparison, because people remember he was a pastor beforehand, right? | ||
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And you need to come to Christ! | |
| And you're going to come to the altar! | ||
| So I thought, man, I really see it. | ||
| That was a great Kinnison impression. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Solid. | ||
| I don't really, I haven't talked about it much. | ||
| We do the shows on Fridays, like with Gerald, because Gerald has actually studied this and actually used to teach courses. | ||
| He's a theologian. | ||
| Yeah, he really knows it pretty well. | ||
| And of course, there's always sort of this infighting as far as what qualifies a theologian. | ||
| I mean, Jesus never went to seminary. | ||
| I do think, look, there is truth. | ||
| It comes down to truth, right? | ||
| I think both you and I are obsessed with truth. | ||
| And I don't think there's any greater truth than the fact that God created the world and Jesus Christ is this one and only son. | ||
| He sent his son for all of us, and there's no way to be redeemed outside of that. | ||
| Now, I understand that there are a lot of atheists who watch, a lot of libertarians who now are becoming sympathetic toward the idea because they see that if there are no Judeo-Christian principles, Western civilization ceases to be. | ||
| This idea of, if I don't need a God, if you need a God to tell you not to kill, then you must be a horrible person. | ||
| And I always go with those people, I say, well, hold on a second. | ||
| Okay, not all societies agree that you shouldn't kill, or certainly the circumstances surrounding killing. | ||
| What? | ||
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| Theft. | ||
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That's fine, for example, with a lot of Native American tribes that never... | |
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| I'm sorry, hold on one second. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| What about philandering? | ||
| What about the idea of mercy? | ||
| This was only a value because of modern Christendom. | ||
| So I think we see it in practice, and unfortunately, a lot of people don't necessarily finish connecting those dots. | ||
| Small point. | ||
| People don't make jokes about Alex being Sam Kinison. | ||
| That's Bill Hicks. | ||
| He got those mixed up. | ||
| To the larger point of what Stephen's saying, this is stupid. | ||
| He lists a few things that are apparently from Christendom or Christianity that make up essential parts of Western ethics. | ||
| I want to examine these a little closer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The first is killing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Other cultures have had prohibitions on killing outside of Christianity. | ||
| No, they love it. | ||
| What societies does Stephen have in mind that encourage random killing? | ||
| Oh, the ones... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I bet they're probably from a different continent. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I mean, you know, there can be something said for, like, ritualistic killings in some culture. | ||
| There's a lot of killing in our society, too, though. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out there. | ||
| Maybe, maybe, all the Crusades and the Inquisitions and all that stuff, that might be included in what Christianity is. | ||
| But they didn't want to do that. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like they didn't want to include that. | ||
| But they also didn't want to do the Crusades. | ||
| You made me do it. | ||
| Back to the wall. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| The second is theft. | ||
| And then, Stephen's example that he brings up is unspecified Native American tribes who were cool with theft because they didn't have a concept of personal property. | ||
| Here's where Stephen makes a huge error in his thinking. | ||
| If these cultures had no concept of personal property, then there is no theft. | ||
| It's not that they were okay with theft. | ||
| It's that what Stephen wants to call theft is not theft. | ||
| His belief in personal property in and of itself creates the existence of theft, which he's decided is wrong, and he maybe justifies that with the Bible. | ||
| Stephen is getting this backwards by looking down on this culture for being okay with theft when what they're really doing is looking at ownership through a different lens than him and he doesn't care to understand. | ||
| Yeah, it is essentially the exact same thing idiot white people believed 500 years ago. | ||
| The third thing is adultery. | ||
| I think that Western culture is full of adultery and philandering, particularly among people who claim Christian values are the basis of their lives. | ||
| What? | ||
| Name one church leader. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's no law in the United States against adultery or sleeping around, so I have no idea what Stephen's actually even talking about. | ||
| Considering that he's talking to Alex Jones, the guy who claims he slept with 150 women before the age of 18, and considering that he's in the middle of a particularly nasty public divorce right now, I don't really understand the point that he's trying to illustrate here with the adultery and anti-philandering is the cornerstone basis that's unique to Christendom. | ||
| I believe what he's talking about more is we need to stone people in public again because Western culture does not encourage killing. | ||
| Enough. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The fourth is mercy. | ||
| Does Stephen think that mercy is a concept that only exists in Christian cultures? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There are many examples of Buddhist ideas around mercy and compassion, and the Muslim tale The Conference of Birds from the 1100s gives a pretty resonant story that's been immortalized in art like the painting A Ruffian Spares the Life of a Poor Man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| None of these ideas or values only exist because of Christendom, and none of them are really actually generally practiced by the sort of Christians that Alex and Stephen represent. | ||
| Even as saying are incoherent and meaningless. | ||
| But behind all of it is the real point that he wants to drive home. | ||
| Namely that we should live in a Christian theocracy because a system based on anything else is inferior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It can't possibly have all these wonderful things that we rely on for the West. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I go back and I think of the very first, you know, novel. | ||
| What we ascribe as the first novel, you know, that romance of the three kingdoms. | ||
| No mercy in it. | ||
| None. | ||
| Lou Boo didn't show any mercy. | ||
| No mercy for anyone. | ||
| Lou Boo was a beast. | ||
| Dude fucked people up. | ||
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| Plenty of adultery. | ||
| Was Lou Boo fucking around? | ||
| Was Lou Boo philandering? | ||
| I think they all were. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, you can't be a warlord and not. | ||
| You're just on the road all the time. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's more of a travel thing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Getting your RV. | ||
| That's my RV. | ||
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| That's what I got for the history. | ||
| Look, man. | ||
| So Stephen and Alex get back to talking about Tucker Carlson because, of course, they're obsessed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so they start talking about these leaks that have happened. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Have you read some of these tweets? | ||
| I've read some of the texts. | ||
| Yeah, I've read some of them. | ||
| He's a real asshole. | ||
| The one about that's not how white people fight? | ||
| I have read that one. | ||
| Okay, good, good. | ||
| Because they're going to talk about that and how it's not that bad. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A lot of Christians are afraid. | ||
| They're going, oh, any mistake that I've ever made is going to come back and people will say you're not a Christian. | ||
| Because everyone else's sin is worse than your own, right? | ||
| It's so easy to say, I can't believe that Tucker said that. | ||
| And frankly, none of it was even that bad. | ||
| I'm sure there will be worse things. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They drip this out. | ||
| But people don't want to examine what it is that... | ||
| They do. | ||
| You want to tell me that you've never said something as bad as Tucker Carlson in text? | ||
| The worst thing he said was, you know, this typically isn't the way that white people fight, meaning gang up. | ||
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Look, of course not all black people, but we discussed Worldstar hip-hop. | |
| It exists for a reason. | ||
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Sorry, what? | |
| Are we going back to Worldstar? | ||
| Joe Louis just came in. | ||
| Yeah, and then they transitioned to how Stephen has the whitest dog. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Kind of interesting timing to bring that superlative up. | ||
| This is when you just miss Def Jam. | ||
| Def Jam would have had a great time with this. | ||
| How do white people fight? | ||
| I don't know, but they smell like macaroni and cheese. | ||
| We can do this all day. | ||
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This is a little bit much. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| I think that he's missing a little bit of the meaning. | ||
| Of what Tucker was saying. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think maybe he's willfully misinterpreting the meaning of what Tucker was trying to point at. | ||
| He was indicating, in some ways, a belief that there is a racial... | ||
| Superiority. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In terms of being more dignified, or just based on race, you have a higher standard of being, you know? | ||
| Worldstar is a nice thing, even now, because it is one of those quick tests. | ||
| It's almost like a quick little litmus test, like, how do you feel about Worldstar? | ||
| Oh, now you're a race. | ||
| Ha ha ha, I'm out of here, I know you. | ||
| But they were like... | ||
| One-on-one fights and that. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| And there were white people who fought on World Star. | ||
| No, no, no, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| The World Star was just a bunch of shit, you know? | ||
| It was just a bunch of shit. | ||
| If you go to World Star and you're not a racist, you'll be like, oh, look at all this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe the only times that it penetrates into, like, Alex or Stephen's world is when some racist posts a video from there in order to make a point that black people are out trying to attack white people. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| And so maybe that is why it lives culturally in that part of their brain. | ||
| Yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| So, Stephen, shits on abortion a little bit here. | ||
| And then Japan. | ||
| Takes a swipe at Japan. | ||
| Got to get them. | ||
| Abortion, I don't know who described it this way. | ||
| It is sacrifice at the altar of self. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's actual human sacrifice. | ||
| Even if people want to say zygote, embryo, where does... | ||
| Okay, but at the point where you look at the abortion policies in California, in Colorado, in Virginia, no one denies that you are ending a life. | ||
| And the only reason at that point, when you look at a very small percentage of incest or rape, the vast majority are because someone doesn't want to raise the baby. | ||
| Well, notice now the left doesn't say it's just a bubble flush. | ||
| They said, hell yeah, I killed that kid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They have t-shirts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's about their selfishness. | ||
| I'm in charge. | ||
| Screw that rule. | ||
| And then they wonder why 40-something percent of young men don't want to get married. | ||
| This is one thing that to me is a real issue culturally. | ||
| It's an issue that can't be fixed, right? | ||
| It's 40-something percent. | ||
| I don't have the number in front of me, but you know the number, I'm sure. | ||
| I mean, you have this crazy memory where you can go by rote. | ||
| He makes it up. | ||
| You can't fix it by forcing young men. | ||
| That's the way I would describe it. | ||
| It has to come from one side. | ||
| I think it's around 50%. | ||
| In Japan, it's like 70. In Japan, it's very high. | ||
| Yeah, and they have used panty vending machines. | ||
| So they have a lot of problems. | ||
| A lot of problems. | ||
| A lot of problems. | ||
| Also, in Japan, it's also weird, you know, to sleep with your wife in your house because it's considered like a brother-sister relationship. | ||
| So this kind of sexual... | ||
| People think sexual repression comes from Christianity, which couldn't be further than the truth. | ||
| If you've read Songs of Solomon, it refers to ladies' breasts as melons, where I actually couldn't go to the produce aisle for years when I was a kid. | ||
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So there you go. | |
| I wanted to fuck those melons. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Steven, you're weird. | ||
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Yeah, yep, yep, yep. | |
| Yeah, I think some of the reluctance to get married, some of it may be just shifting cultural beliefs around relationships, some of that, and then some of it might also be materially based in, like, no one can afford a home. | ||
| Definitely there. | ||
| Yeah, so some of that, also just having to work more to stay afloat. | ||
| I think a lot of people might not be able to prioritize a committed relationship in the same way people had the time or the emotional space to in the past. | ||
| That might be a part of it. | ||
| I appreciate that the fabric of society breaking down is not included in any of these large pronouncements about choices that everyone's making. | ||
| It's interesting how everything is a grand conspiracy theory and everything is connected until we're talking about... | ||
| Then it's these young... | ||
| Young boys are afraid of abortion, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, the connections are errant on this stuff. | ||
| Japanese couples have different sleeping styles from each other, even. | ||
| Some sleep in the same bed, others don't, for a number of reasons. | ||
| Some of the ones that I saw discussed that people bring up are the different work schedules. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Not wanting to wake each other up. | ||
| Another reason is, in Japan, a mother will traditionally sleep with an infant child as it's growing up. | ||
| And so that is one reason. | ||
| Some of the marriages are probably not full of love, but that's certainly true of a bunch of them here. | ||
| I don't know if that's different. | ||
| I mean, ask your grandparents. | ||
| Did they sleep in the same bed? | ||
| No. | ||
| Most likely, they slept in two small twin beds. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| There's a phenomenon in Japan of couples staying together despite their marriage essentially being over because of some stigma and societal taboos around divorce. | ||
| Particularly if you have children, you don't want them to be the child of divorced parents. | ||
| There is some of that culturally, but I don't think that that's necessarily everybody. | ||
| But what Stephen's saying is just nonsense. | ||
| Also, plenty of American couples, even today, sleep. | ||
| There was a New York Times survey just in February that came out, and I would like you to guess what percentage of American couples sleep separately according to that survey. | ||
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I'm going to go with 35. A little lower, 20%. | |
| 20%. | ||
| It's still one in five. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty... | ||
| If Stephen wants to talk about some other culture being weird because people sleep separately... | ||
| 20% of American couples do, man. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| As far as a conversation about it goes, like, oh, sleep separately. | ||
| My wife and I sleep in the same bed, but one of us sometimes falls asleep on the couch. | ||
| Like, it happens all the time. | ||
| And as somebody who has some, like, relatively screwy sleep issues, I think I would much prefer to sleep separately from somebody. | ||
| No, no, no, totally. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| In the past, in relationships I've often put up with... | ||
| Or, you know, just sort of got through it. | ||
| But, yeah, ideally, I think if I were with somebody and it was a permanent or, like, life commitment, I'd be like, I gotta get it. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| I mean, half the time it's just because of heat. | ||
| Some person is too hot. | ||
| That can happen. | ||
| It's like, listen, I love you more than life itself, but when we sleep together, you are a furnace. | ||
| I'm going to sleep on the floor. | ||
| Like, that's how hot you are. | ||
| Yeah, I run hot. | ||
| Yeah, it happens. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| So anyway, Alex gets to talking about Old Testament laws. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The Bible is prescriptive in a lot of ways. | ||
| It is, like, don't eat shellfish. | ||
| And you're like, you eat them 20 times, you finally get sick, you go, God, I'll never eat them again. | ||
| I don't know if that's necessarily the best example, but sure. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| I think it's the best example. | ||
| The Old Testament is Levitical law. | ||
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Right. | |
| And back when they couldn't test stuff or know, you know, it was like, you know, hey, don't eat this. | ||
| You know, they see a pig that's carrying all these diseases and got ticks all over. | ||
| They say, we're writing a law against that. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And they talk about some of the horrible practices back then. | ||
| when you think about it, they wouldn't have even had a chip in their brain for like a Lizzo. | ||
| Right? | ||
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So it's like, ah, don't do tattoos because these people are doing them when they're talking about witchcraft, not tattoos as we know them. | |
| Well, I mean, I love the old tattoo, but it really, if you apply it to today, it all makes sense. | ||
| Don't mix the seed. | ||
| Sorry? | ||
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Don't put people's other, people's bodily fluids in your body. | |
| Don't, don't. | ||
| I mean, it's all really common sense. | ||
| I don't really know what to make of any of this, quite frankly. | ||
| I was a little confused. | ||
| But it is interesting that Alex can take something from the Bible and then contextualize it as like, ah, this was something because of the time. | ||
| This was something that was a law that was in the Bible because of concerns of the time. | ||
| I find that surprising. | ||
| I don't feel like that's how he generally relates to the Bible. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you were going to be a biblical literalist, the fundament of that would be that the book itself is the revelation of the words of God specifically, and that he himself wrote it. | ||
| He does take, you know, he does lean in that direction. | ||
| That means that he's reconciling God's holy word with somebody who's also like, hey, listen, we gotta stop getting sick on the shellfish. | ||
| But, yeah, that disconnect is something that I find really strange. | ||
| I'm not sure where he is between, like, a sort of a contextualist and a literalist. | ||
| You know, it's very strange. | ||
| Also, aren't there... | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| There's more than one law in Leviticus about... | ||
| A woman punching you in the balls, if I remember correctly. | ||
| There are at least two. | ||
| Actually, maybe one involves grabbing the balls. | ||
| There's some rules about menstruation, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Some choppy offy. | |
| Couple of little head choppy yoffy. | ||
| So, Alex, in talking about this, in this conversation that he and Stephen are having, brings up a bit about the Judeo-Christian roots of all of our ethics and all of this stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And he gets a little bit worked up, because... | ||
| A lot of people, apparently, around him, say it's not Judeo. | ||
| It is Christian. | ||
| Uh-oh! | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And I think, Alex, I would say this is a you problem. | ||
| Are we going to go with Abrahamic religions? | ||
| Yeah, but this is a problem for Alex because of who he's talking to. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That they don't like Jewish people. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| No, it's right. | ||
| And I see some of the real racists out there that think everything's a Jewish conspiracy when it's not. | ||
| They literally go, it's not Judeo-Christian. | ||
| Well, yeah, it is Judeo-Christian, because it's Abraham, and all three of the monotheistic things come out of Abraham and the Jews. | ||
| So just sorry, and it's not like I'm worshiping Jews here. | ||
| I've got big problems with leftist Jews, the ADL, and what they do, but I don't blame Jews for that. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Those are secular humanists. | ||
| Those are secular humanists who have taken over Judaism. | ||
| Who listens to radio at night? | ||
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EMTs? | |
| Truck drivers? | ||
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Law enforcement and many other hard-working people just like you. | |
| I was a little bit taken aback by this sharp commercial break. | ||
| Very, very serious cut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| First of all, I know that we've heard Alex bring this up before, the idea that Jews aren't Jews, kind of secular humanists have taken over and are calling themselves Jews. | ||
| That's just another anti-Semitic formulation. | ||
| But this I do find very bizarre, that Alex doesn't quite understand that these conversations are self-selected by who he's hanging out with. | ||
| These are your friends who want to take the Judeo out of Judeo-Christian. | ||
| These are your buddies. | ||
| Nobody else is like, what? | ||
| I can't imagine ever having that conversation. | ||
| I can't imagine how that would come up. | ||
| I can't imagine what I would do if a friend of mine was... | ||
| Let's get rid of the Judeo. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| How long have you been thinking this? | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| Did I miss something about you that was really... | ||
| Maybe you did. | ||
| Maybe you didn't. | ||
| Maybe we'll stop this conversation and pretend it never happened. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| I'll talk to my other friends about getting rid of Judeo. | ||
| Actually, no, I didn't say that. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| We can still be friends. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that cut pretty quick. | ||
| Yes, it did. | ||
| And so I went and I found the non-radio version of it. | ||
| And I listened to the commercial break. | ||
| And it's not really that interesting. | ||
| Alex just kind of repeats the same point. | ||
| All of these people say, get the Judeo out. | ||
| He already made that point and what have you. | ||
| But then they start talking a little bit about Islam. | ||
| And boy, this isn't great. | ||
| So Stephen's talking about how you're not supposed to draw Muhammad. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then they... | ||
| Man, I think maybe this is worse than drawing Muhammad. | ||
| I appreciate that Stephen is going out of his way to insult so many cultures that he knows literally nothing about. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| So it says, well, we believe in the Bible except not everything else. | ||
| For example, in Islam, this was one thing we talked about recently, where they get really mad, for example, if you draw Muhammad. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying you should just go out and troll and draw Muhammad, but what I am saying is, hold on, that's more offensive than a religion that says Jesus is not exactly who he claimed he was, right? | ||
| Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but that he didn't die, that the body was replaced. | ||
| Well, that's sacrilegious to Christians, certainly more so than drawing a card. | ||
| And again, we know what Muhammad did, who was basically attacking Muslims, but it's true. | ||
| He was illiterate. | ||
| And he lived there at the crossroads in Mecca, basically going after the trains, the camel trains, you know, that came through from the east going west. | ||
| And he would rob the caravans, and he just smartly said, I'll control people, and I'll take a cosmology of the dominant religions of Judaism and Christianity, and I'll adopt that and have my own religion. | ||
| And within a generation after his death, they control the whole Middle East. | ||
| A pinch of Zoroastrianism, and I get to have a six-year-old wife. | ||
| I think she was nine. | ||
| She was six. | ||
| She was arguably nine when he consummated. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Which I still think is a little weird. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| I'm not sure about that. | ||
| Why is that the thing that you have the least amount of problem with? | ||
| I think it's because they talk about that all the time. | ||
| And so maybe it's just like, we don't need to do this bit again. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's a pretty standard Muhammad bit for them. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| I think one of the differences between having a belief that someone else disagrees with and drawing Muhammad to anger Muslims, there's a difference between holding a belief and I mean, there's even more simply a situation where you can't tell another religion that they're more offensive to you than you are to them. | ||
| That's just not how a... | ||
| Perspective works. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, from their perspective, your religion isn't real, so you can't be offended. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's kind of what I'm getting at to a certain extent, is if a member of religion A privately believes that the figurehead of your religion isn't the son of God, that is just a belief that they have. | ||
| If you do something that is... | ||
| You know, something that is sacrilegious to them. | ||
| For specifically, I guess, the... | ||
| A malicious purpose? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's very different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like it would go against the tenets of some sort of book that you just talked about having laws that base your entire ethics on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| And then Alex, his telling of Islam is... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Well, so what happened is Mohammed got together his band, all right? | ||
| He wore a green hat and he had a little feather in his cap, all right? | ||
| And so whenever the rich kings and the like would get on their trains, right, he would get on his carriage wagon with his band of merry men. | ||
| They would rob the rich people and then start a religion. | ||
| I think Alex is thinking of the song Highwayman. | ||
| It could be that too. | ||
| The first verse. | ||
| It could be that, too. | ||
| Willie Nelson's verse. | ||
| But then, at the end of it, Willie Nelson starts a religion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I find it very difficult to imagine, if you're Alex, and you believe that this is the history of Islam, then I find it very difficult to imagine that you could ever really respect somebody who believes that faith. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems like it's off the table. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If your first argument is, sure, but your prophet... | ||
| He was just a highwayman. | ||
| And created your religion for the sake of getting control over people. | ||
| And then, yeah, Stephen Crowder's impression there was probably a bit disrespectful. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| At least they didn't draw him. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I think that's worse, though. | ||
| I definitely believe that. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| You can't tell a religion what's more or less offensive to them. | ||
| It's a fair point. | ||
| So they get into talking about energy. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| California's banned all new construction of lawnmowers, golf carts, leaf blowers. | ||
| Now it's diesel trucks. | ||
| We're out of diesel. | ||
| In a few years. | ||
| The UN's doing it. | ||
| Months ago. | ||
| Germany just turned off its last nuclear power plants. | ||
| I mean, first it's just been coal plants. | ||
| Now they're trying to ban... | ||
| Gas power plants are totally clean. | ||
| We're having our energy cut off. | ||
| I want to ask you two questions. | ||
| How many carbon emissions come from nuclear power plants? | ||
| I just want to make sure. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Zero. | ||
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| Zero. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And you just talked about California. | ||
| Can you still infect somebody knowingly with a seminal load of HIV? | ||
| I just want to make sure. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| I'm just a little murky on the rule book. | ||
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So, all right. | |
| No nuclear power with no carbon emissions. | ||
| We can't use incandescence. | ||
| But, hey, you know what? | ||
| You sleep with me at some techno Viking festival. | ||
| It's a roll of the dice, California. | ||
| And it gets worse. | ||
| How is that related? | ||
| I mean, it's a fun game that Stephen's trying to play, but it means nothing. | ||
| Alex was talking about a nuclear plant in Germany, not in California. | ||
| And even if it were in California, what would it have to do with laws about HIV? | ||
| I mean, what do you say to that other than that's not a sincere argument, sir. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| No, that's just a... | ||
| Free association. | ||
| Yeah, of like six-year-old talking points. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Because that was a law in California in 2017. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But, like, we've been over it a bunch, and the reason that California made it not a felony to expose someone to HIV is because the law didn't work to begin with, and it was counterproductive. | ||
| In order to be prosecuted for knowingly exposing someone to HIV, you'd need to know you had it, which disincentivizes people to get tested and know their status. | ||
| As it stands now, even after the law, it's still a misdemeanor in California to knowingly infect someone with HIV intentionally, as is the case with knowingly and intentionally infecting someone with any other virus. | ||
| It's almost like if you pick HIV, you're specifically pointing out one group of people that the law is supposed to apply to more or less. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, now, there are also a lot of interventions. | ||
| Maybe not cures, but treatments and management that can be done with HIV and AIDS. | ||
| It's come a long way. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Steven's just a shithead. | ||
| I mean, I don't... | ||
| Again, it can't be a sincere argument if 40 years ago you're one of the people laughing at HIV. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I honestly think that Steven might laugh about it now. | ||
| Still do now. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You cannot do that. | ||
| Unacceptable. | ||
| So, this interview actually is fairly boring. | ||
| There is not a whole lot going on as evidenced by this. | ||
| Look, I've used Fox Nation. | ||
| I don't think I know how to make it work. | ||
| It's just not very good. | ||
| I think it's that simple. | ||
| It's just not very good. | ||
| When I was at Fox News, I was at Fox News for four and a half years, they thought YouTube was a fan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I would upload to them. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| I mean, nothing against Roger Ailes, but that guy was a dinosaur. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And, yeah. | ||
| But he did like the ladies. | ||
| He did love them. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
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He did love the ladies. | |
| Yeah, that guy got around. | ||
| But how else are you going to do it when you look like Orson Welles or you look like Hitchcock? | ||
| I'll show you. | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Do not sell yourself short. | ||
| I'm a little Orson Welles, these guys. | ||
| Roger Ailes was a weird... | ||
| It was a whole odd shape. | ||
| He was the shape of any cup you put him in. | ||
| It was like a pear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the Planter's Peanuts guy, only without... | ||
| Kind of like Grimace. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| A little bit of grimace. | ||
| And, you know, I always thought it was weird that the Hamburglar kept reappearing on those things. | ||
| Like, he's a thief and he's on camera. | ||
| Catch him. | ||
| Put him in a lineup for crying out loud. | ||
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| Arrest him. | ||
| Stop this, man. | ||
| Is he trying to work in a bit? | ||
| Is this, is he, do people think he's funny? | ||
| Is that part of his act? | ||
| Is that a thing that I'm supposed to think from that? | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He did his Hamburglar chunk. | ||
| That he's like a riff guy and then he can come in with bits? | ||
| Look, Roger Ailes looks like Grimace. | ||
| Hey, man, why didn't they lock up the Hamburglar? | ||
| Are you doing a Hamburglar bit? | ||
| Mayor McCheese was put in by Soros. | ||
| He lets out the Hamburglar. | ||
| No, you can't do that because that's actually a good... | ||
| Fucking twist on the bit instead of just being like, oh, why don't they catch the thief? | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| It is. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's unacceptable to me. | ||
| Also, do you really think stealing hamburgers is a felony? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| How long would he get in prison for that? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It depends. | ||
| Hey, listen, we're way past third strike laws, so he might be life. | ||
| He might be at life. | ||
| You want mandatory minimums in McDonald's land? | ||
| Totally, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, I mean, how many patties has he stolen over his lifetime? | ||
| Several thousand dollars. | ||
| I think he's at felony shit right now. | ||
| Three patties? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Four patties of wagon. | ||
| Anyway, that's kind of the vibe I have. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care, guys. | ||
| You're having fun. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| I really, really just don't like it when there are things that I find very offensive, like ideas that I think are really offensive, being brought up in ways that are presented as jokes but are bad jokes. | ||
| Because I don't even know what to do with this. | ||
| You're not sincere in the way you're articulating this. | ||
| You're not trying to be taken seriously. | ||
| You're not funny. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| The marriage of Alex and Steven Crowder is a real bad thing, because Steven Crowder has a bigger audience than Alex, so Alex will always be excited to go over there, but Steven makes his content worse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He makes Alex's content worse. | ||
| Way worse. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's weird to me, because I mean, I think the way that I signal that I shouldn't be taken seriously is when I get a laugh. | ||
| The idea that I would... | ||
| Still consider myself easy to take non-seriously if I never got laughs. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Well, someone must be laughing. | ||
| I mean, he did have people on the payroll. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, his co-hosts. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I've heard there be, like, little chuckles and shit. | ||
| God, that's terrible. | ||
| Yeah, his co-hosts would laugh at stuff. | ||
| Oh, that's brutal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| We now go to the 4th, because like I said, they only did two hours and then no one took over. | ||
| That's garbage sauce, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex was like, I'm going to drive back to Austin. | ||
| I'm like, wait, are you going to get back for the 4th hour? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| He's like, I'll be back on air tomorrow. | ||
| So he's back on air tomorrow, the 4th. | ||
| And big news in the morning of the 4th, and that is that the Proud Boys were... | ||
| They were convicted. | ||
| They were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, including Alex's good buddy, Enrique Tarrio, who's been on the show many times. | ||
| Rambo Joe Biggs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Former InfoWars employee. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, so we have a lot of InfoWars characters who are going to be in prison for quite a while for seditious conspiracy. | ||
| We have Enrique Tarrio, Joe Biggs, Stuart Rhodes, at least. | ||
| That's three close associates in two different organizations that Alex was close to, both going to jail for seditious conspiracy. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| He has been doing a show that is almost entirely about borderline seditious conspiracy for 20 years, right? | ||
| Borderline. | ||
| It seems like this should be the logical end point, and we're seeing it. | ||
| But maybe he doesn't get left holding the bag. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because he doesn't actually give a shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Everybody he inspires has gone to jail for seditious conspiracy and he's like, hey, all I have to do is pay back a shit ton of money. | ||
| Yeah, everybody who took this shit too seriously and weren't trying to maximize their hustle. | ||
| I mean, shouldn't there be that one moment before they go to jail where Alex meets them? | ||
| He's got a special thing and all the guards leave and they're like, okay, we'll give you a private conversation. | ||
| And Alex just leans in and he's like, Alex Jones wasn't right. | ||
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| Hashtag. | ||
| Hashtag. | ||
| And then walks away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, Alex starts the show on the 4th by getting into this. | ||
| We have one of the top immigration investigators in the world, Michael Yahn, joining us from the Darien Gap in Central America from an uplink he has found in the middle of the jungle. | ||
| So right quick, we're not going to listen to any of this interview. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But... | ||
| I heard that and I was like, how bad is the tech going to be on that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's in the jungle. | ||
| He's literally in the jungle. | ||
| Works great. | ||
| Of course it does. | ||
| Of course it does. | ||
| He tries to get somebody on Zoom and everything goes to shit. | ||
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| Some guy's in the middle of the jungle on an uplink and it works fine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're also going to be having Norm Pattis on Andrew Hernandez. | ||
| Norm Pattis is one of the main lawyers for the Proud Boys who just 30 minutes ago... | ||
| We're found guilty of terrorism, seditious conspiracy. | ||
| They face decades and decades in prison in the reg trial in the district of Mordor, hell on the Potomac, Washington, D.C. So I was listening to that, I was thinking, I'd forgotten every now and again that Norm's one of their lawyers. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And just Norm's having a lot of L's. | ||
| It's been a rough nine months for Norm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Lost a billion dollars. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Largest affirmation judgment in the history of the world. | ||
| He lost that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now the Proud Boys that he was defending are going to prison for a seditious conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah, you know, he didn't take low-stakes trials. | ||
| I will say that. | ||
| The man willingly... | ||
| He walked into several big L's knowing that he was going to get paid regardless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah, it's pretty wild. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Tough year. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you'd think he would lose future business, but as the bottom of the bottom feeders, you're just, you're always going to get work. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And his profile is incredibly high based on these things. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And, you know, I get the sense that... | ||
| Maybe a lot of the clients he has are Hail Mary, shady kind of situations. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So I don't think that'll stop anybody. | ||
| Well, I mean, maybe what... | ||
| He's like a Saul Goodman who loses all the time. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Who's not very clever and doesn't get out of it in the end. | ||
| I think what it is, potential clients are like, I need a lawyer, but I don't know what kind. | ||
| And then they see a stand-up set from Norm and they're like, boom. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the trial lawyer I want. | ||
| I didn't know it, but I want a guy with no pants. | ||
| Ah, that's what I needed. | ||
| Oh, is he going to say the N-word in court? | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| So, Alex also wants to talk a little bit before we get going on this episode in too much speed with the case of the guy who got choked on the subway. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Killed on the subway. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to FBI Krabs, there's every 21 attacks on whites. | ||
| There is one attack on a black by a white person. | ||
| I'm not attacking black people. | ||
| That's just the facts. | ||
| Most black people are not doing this. | ||
| It is a minority, though, of black males and black females that are now viciously attacking whites everywhere. | ||
| Well, some type of argument broke out on a subway, and a white former Marine choked the man for only about 30 seconds, probably went too far, killed him. | ||
| And now, oh, the demonstrations, the riots, it's all... | ||
| Beginning, ladies and gentlemen, because they finally have another George Floyd image. | ||
| They need chokehold death of Jordan Neely. | ||
| Ruled a homicide as outrage grows over caught-on-video subway killing. | ||
| I can show you 100 videos of whites being attacked, many of them being killed from just this week. | ||
| We don't really show a lot of that, though it doesn't take the whole show over. | ||
| We show some of it. | ||
| But maybe we should just do a whole four-hour show and just show back-to-back blacks murdering whites. | ||
| But see, the media doesn't show that because they're helping promote that idea that that's a good thing to happen or that whites deserve it. | ||
| But, oh my gosh, a white guy accidentally kills a black man who they admit was being aggressive and is mentally ill. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| So it's okay? | ||
| And it is the end of the world because perception is reality. | ||
| The media is going to show us this millions of times on air. | ||
| And it's going to try to create more white guilt. | ||
| It is really disgusting. | ||
| So we've talked about this over and over, but it bears repeating because this is very important and central to a lot of Alex's shit, but he's lying about crime statistics in a way that's designed to incite white anger. | ||
| This is the same fraudulent narrative that was the radicalizing influence on Dylann Roof as he planned his racist mass murder, and Alex knows this. | ||
| He understands this dynamic fully. | ||
| Like, there's no doubt about that. | ||
| I mean, his friends just got... | ||
| Convicted of seditious conspiracy. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| Also, at the beginning of that clip, he said that the guy went too far in his choking. | ||
| That's the entire point that people are making. | ||
| That guy didn't have the right to go too far and kill someone under the pretense of subduing him. | ||
| And it turns out, from one of the articles that I was reading, the fact that he is a former Marine actually could work against him because he would have training in these sorts of things. | ||
| And going too far is more of an egregious mistake. | ||
| Because he knows. | ||
| He knows how far is too far. | ||
| He knows where the line is. | ||
| I still don't know enough about the people involved. | ||
| any kind of definitive, like, he definitely knew it was going to, accidents can happen. | ||
| And, you know, there was somebody who was on the train who said that the guy was making some pretty scary comments I'm not saying necessarily that subduing him is the right thing to do, though I do understand how a situation could get to that point. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I'm not saying that it was right in this situation. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There are situations where that is... | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But still, putting someone in a chokehold irresponsibly, going too far, that is not okay. | ||
| That is not subduing somebody. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Maybe killing them. | ||
| Maybe murder. | ||
| Whatever the circumstances are, the cement is wet. | ||
| And when the cement is wet and Alex is using this purely to stoke white rage and justify a murder, it is a fucked up... | ||
| I mean, it's like... | ||
| Again, he's turning it into a prop so that the reality doesn't mean anything. | ||
| It doesn't matter what the details are in his world because this is just white and black. | ||
| And I mean that racially, not the other way. | ||
| It is like, it takes away any kind of, what are we talking about when we talk about this scenario? | ||
| He removes the reality and turns it into this bullshit. | ||
| And it's fucking annoying. | ||
| And one of the things, and the reason that I bring this up, even though it happens over and over, is because... | ||
| It is important to understand that this is a very consistent, intentional piece of his rhetoric. | ||
| It's not just something that pops up time and time again. | ||
| It's an obsession, almost, of his. | ||
| And an editorial line that is very consistent of trying to do things and frame stories in ways designed to incite an illicit white... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I mean, that is a really important thing because a lot of people can get from a clip on Twitter or something like that, oh, Alex did this. | ||
| And we can say this is a pattern of behavior. | ||
| But we are proving that it is a pattern of behavior. | ||
| We are not just saying, oh, I can show you hours and hours of people blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fighting. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And to Alex's point, I mean, I think it would be disgusting if he tried to do a whole show that was just... | ||
| No, that would be incitement to violence beyond what I could imagine. | ||
| But to his point that he brought up, that he could play hours and hours, if they covered all of it that's happening, it would take over the show. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| He says that all the time, but it is not true that he has all this mountain of videos that he's not playing. | ||
| Just the idea that Alex has them and the audience can believe, oh, he could play them. | ||
| That's all that matters. | ||
| That's all they need. | ||
| They need the suspicion of proof. | ||
| So now the show becomes what everybody is probably interested in hearing about. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So on the 3rd, Alex got a prank call and someone who spoofed... | ||
| Tucker's number, Tucker Carlson's number, and then had an AI of Tucker Carlson who spoke to Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so Alex gets on his show on the 4th, and I thought this was very strange. | ||
| He decided to tell this story. | ||
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| He decided to talk about it. | ||
| Just get out in front of it. | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| One of the most bizarre things that ever happened to me in my life happened yesterday afternoon at about 5.45. | ||
| I was sitting in an accounting meeting, Infowars accounting meeting, in an office building. | ||
| Not here. | ||
| And the phone rings. | ||
| And it says Tucker Carlson. | ||
| And we talk here and there on the phone. | ||
| We text a lot. | ||
| And I said, I'm going to step out. | ||
| Got an important call to make. | ||
| And I stepped out into the hallway. | ||
| And somebody tried to shake my hand. | ||
| I said, hey, I can't talk. | ||
| I was a little bit distracted. | ||
| I go, hey, what's going on, Tucker? | ||
| And it's Tucker Carlson's voice. | ||
| And it starts saying these horrible, lewd sexual things to me. | ||
| And I instantly figure out, this is AI, someone spoofing his number, and I confront the individuals on this. | ||
| They say a few more things, and then the phone hangs up. | ||
| And I immediately called Tucker and talked to him, talked to his lead producer as well, called Scooter up, and just said, hey, if this just happened to me, it's probably happening to other people. | ||
| This is the next level of their setup. | ||
| Then it turns out the individual that did it, that has quite the following on Twitter, bragged that they had just done it and just recorded it and done it. | ||
| And so we're going to be talking about that. | ||
| He says he's going to be airing it. | ||
| His name is Prank Stallone on Twitter. | ||
| He's going to be airing it on his show Monday. | ||
| Well, it's very important for Prank Stallone to come on this show today or tomorrow and explain he's not part of a government group or an agency. | ||
| Because what he did, spoofing someone's number, and then doing that in many jurisdictions is a crime. | ||
| Now, I don't think Tucker Carlson wants to press charges, but you need to come on the air and need to explain your intent was not to be mean. | ||
| Because he says he's pointing out the dangers of AI here. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| But it's serious. | ||
| Because you don't know what's going on, what's been happening to Tucker behind the scenes. | ||
| And so you need to understand what you did is not good. | ||
| And we need to get that out in the open so that it doesn't escalate any further. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex telling the story is strange. | ||
| Some of the things that I think are particularly bizarre. | ||
| Just to fill folks in who maybe were not following this as it unfolded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| This account, Frank Stallone, is a guy who generally prank calls conservative radio shows. | ||
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| And then, you know, puts out the prank calls. | ||
| Ah, what a great guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, sometimes it can be fun. | ||
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| I think that there's a, you know, a genre of comedy calling into radio shows. | ||
| You know, hey. | ||
| Jerky boys. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he, I guess, had Alex's number and also had Tucker's number and made this prank call come together. | ||
| And so he tweeted about it on Wednesday in the evening after he had done it. | ||
| And people were quite excited about it. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
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And then so now Alex talking about it is... | |
| So weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| And other people were tweeting, and I believe he also tweeted, about Alex talking about it. | ||
| And he said, Alex wants me to come on the show to make sure that I'm not mean. | ||
| And I think that people who don't listen to enough Alex Jones need to understand a little bit of the terminology he uses. | ||
| That isn't like, it's not about you being mean. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's something else. | ||
| He always talks about being a bad person or whatever. | ||
| They're childish terms for things that he's... | ||
| He means that he thinks that you're in the CIA. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When he says the mean, that doesn't mean you're being a bully or something. | ||
| You're being so mean to me! | ||
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| Yeah, it's not quite that. | ||
| Yeah, there is a belief that is being articulated that maybe you're part of the Foundations, part of the Rockefellers. | ||
| They tricked you, or you tricked, or any number of possible things, and the fact that you're using AI also probably scares Alex in a weird way. | ||
| And excites him. | ||
| I would say less scares and more is very convenient for him. | ||
| It's something that I think is exactly what he would have wanted to happen right about now. | ||
| I mean, I am amazed. | ||
| I love that people really want to make sure that Alex gets a lot of attention. | ||
| That's one of the things... | ||
| You know, I've talked about this plenty of times. | ||
| I like our show because... | ||
| We don't get Alex's attention. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, we don't, you know, try and not sensationalize things, you know, as best we can. | ||
| You know, I mean, we could... | ||
| Here's what I don't like about it. | ||
| I don't like fighting. | ||
| I'm tired of fighting. | ||
| I would like to win. | ||
| This is a consistent another addition into the never-ending cycle of, oh, this does this, and then this does this, and then this does this. | ||
| I just want him to go away. | ||
| I want to win. | ||
| I want to win, and we won't... | ||
| They won't let me... | ||
| They won't let us win. | ||
| I understand that, and I don't think I'm... | ||
| I mean, I obviously would love a situation where there was a win condition, but I'm not even sure what that is. | ||
| For me, I gravitate generally towards hoping to have greater understanding of things. | ||
| You know, that's kind of what my true north is. | ||
| In terms of, you know, the things that are worth doing are things that increase understanding, increase knowledge base, and what have you. | ||
| And to me, something like this, I think, is just kind of... | ||
| On its basis, kind of, like, yeah, maybe there's something funny about this, but it's kind of a bleh. | ||
| But there are other elements of this that I actually find slightly problematic, and I'm not really thrilled with this, to be honest. | ||
| I've known about Prank Stallone. | ||
| I've seen some of his videos, and I honestly don't think it's bad. | ||
| If someone enjoys... | ||
| Even this call with Alex, I don't think that's a bad thing. | ||
| If you get a little kick out of it, fine. | ||
| I think that there is a very real line between calling a radio show and fucking with them and calling someone's private cell phone number. | ||
| I believe that that borders on harassment. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Spoofing someone else's phone number and using AI to try and trick them into thinking that they're talking to somebody else is a pretty fucked up layer of... | ||
| I mean, it all kind of does go back to harassment. | ||
| It is a bit harassing. | ||
| And I do not feel pity or empathy for Alex in this circumstance. | ||
| I understand that he's a piece of shit. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| This is an invasion of privacy and harassment in a way that I think is not appropriate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't believe that it's justifiable because Alex is a piece of shit. | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| There's a bunch of other people with ill intent who would think that you or I are pieces of shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Because we cover Alex Jones. | |
| If we arbitrarily decide who doesn't get their privacy respected or who is fine to harass in private spaces because we don't like them or we have problems with what they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It opens up basically anyone is harassable. | |
| And I mean, what Alex did with the Sandy Hook folks is probably okay then. | ||
| According to him, they were assholes at that time. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't he bother on his show prank calling them with an AI voice of their dead kid? | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, I get that. | ||
| I get where we, oh, that's too far. | ||
| I don't know, but... | ||
| It's a bit of an extreme example. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| But my, I mean, I agree with you. | ||
| I think the problem I have is... | ||
| Well, we were talking a little bit about it before the show, because I didn't know anything about it, but that he is not releasing the audio until Monday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes me so mad. | ||
| That makes me so mad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's a simple reason why. | ||
| There are two people who are trying to profit off of this, and one of them is Frank Stallone and the other one is Alex, and they're both going to profit, and nobody else will. | ||
| Yeah, that... | ||
| You know, I think that there is a... | ||
| If you tweet something like this, that is this incendiary and attention-baiting, and then it's days until you're going to put out the thing, the reason is to accumulate more hype and interest surrounding the thing. | ||
| And granted, I think that that's how almost everybody operates, but I don't... | ||
| Except for us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I find it to be a little bit untoward. | ||
| But I guess it's a prank call that we're talking about. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I mean, but it's not a prank call towards somebody who is... | ||
| It's a prank call towards a fucking nightmarish figure that has been... | ||
| Turned into a cosmic joke, which is fine. | ||
| He is a cosmic joke, but you are giving him power. | ||
| You are giving him power. | ||
| I understand that you're going to profit off of it by getting whatever money or attention that you want, but you are hurting everybody else. | ||
| You're hurting people. | ||
| There are a number of aspects as to why. | ||
| And some of the other clips here from Alex talking about this will kind of delve into some of that. | ||
| But then the second element of it, too, is that, like, and I think this might actually be somewhat related to the first element of it. | ||
| This is not a trend or a direction that I think is good for society as a whole. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Deepfakes and that kind of stuff. | ||
| Is a box that I don't think should be used capriciously. | ||
| No. | ||
| Humans have always had a really confident relationship with technology where it never goes wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, there's all those videos of, like, Trump and Obama playing video games, you know, the AI voices. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little bit unnerving in some ways, but... | ||
| The understanding is there that this is fake. | ||
| It is within a context that is entirely fake. | ||
| No one's going to be tricked into thinking that they're actually playing Call of Duty. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Using deepfakes and AI voice prints and stuff like that for the sake of duping people, whether or not you think they deserve it, is... | ||
| It's a bad way to go. | ||
| It's a Pandora's box. | ||
| Yeah, let's not do that. | ||
| Normalizing it and making it seem like this is something that is fun, that you can mess around with, I think that down that road is some pretty scary shit. | ||
| We are living in an era where I genuinely struggle to recognize what is and is not real on a daily basis. | ||
| Why are we making that harder? | ||
| You shouldn't exacerbate it. | ||
| Why are we making that harder? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a bad idea. | ||
| So Alex, later in the show, tells the story again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I got an experience in AI yesterday. | ||
| I'm in an accounting meeting for Infowars in an accounting firm across town at about 545. | ||
| And my phone buzzes and says, Tucker Carlson on. | ||
| So I say, let me step out and let me take this phone call. | ||
| And I step out in the hall. | ||
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And... | |
| It's Tucker Carlson's voice. | ||
| It's Tucker. | ||
| I know Tucker. | ||
| We talk on the phone all the time. | ||
| Text all the time. | ||
| And the individual says a bunch of sexually explicit things to me. | ||
| Well, I right away figure out this isn't Tucker Carlson's. | ||
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I say, okay, this is some type of AI garbage. | |
| This is somebody calling me with an AI soundboard where they type out a script, put it in AI, they have a recording, then they just hit buttons of different responses. | ||
| To make it sound like a conversation. | ||
| And the guy that did it is now admitted on Twitter with over 2.5 million views that he did that. | ||
| His name is Prank Stallone at TheCJS on Twitter. | ||
| In fact, let's show his original tweet if we can. | ||
| So he starts saying sexually explicit things. | ||
| I want to co-host a show with you. | ||
| I want to, you know, do sexual things to you. | ||
| And I said, this isn't Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Instantly, my brain says this is AI and somebody spoofed his phone number calling me doing it. | ||
| So I agree that you're saying, like, we'll see when there's actual recording who is right and who is wrong. | ||
| Well, instantly, I think, is a big exaggeration. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| I mean, even if someone called me and they were spoofing someone's voice and they started saying weird shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's probably, I'd be like, no, they're drunk, or something first. | ||
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| Or they're fucking with me, or something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, there's a number of things that go through your head before you're like, oh, prank call with AI bot. | ||
| You know, like, that's not exactly one, two, or three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You might notice, though, Alex is basically plugging this guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He said his name twice, he's given out his Twitter handle, put the tweet up, and that's because this is a fight Alex wants to have. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is a fight that Alex is thrilled to have. | ||
| It's a great fight. | ||
| Oh, if he gets him on the show, he's got 2.5 million views. | ||
| He can yell at him about how he's deep stayed or anything along those lines. | ||
| He'll get all the attention that he wants. | ||
| He'll get the victory even though he loses. | ||
| It's a fucking... | ||
| Goldmine for him. | ||
| Yeah, we've seen it happen a number of times. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's exactly what Alex had hoped. | ||
| He talked to Prank Stallone earlier in the day because he was trying to get him to come on the show here on the 4th. | ||
| Okay, so let's say someone has Tucker Carlson's cell phone and also Alex Jones' cell phone number and also an AI Tucker Carlson's voice. | ||
| They could, in theory, call Alex Jones and pretend to be Tucker and have a full conversation with him anyways. | ||
| I just did that. | ||
| And that is what happened yesterday. | ||
| He says they're going to release it Monday. | ||
| And this person is so divorced from God, so satanic, as I talked to him earlier today on the phone, they go, I'm not going to come on your show and explain this isn't aggressive. | ||
| To be friendly, you're bigger than me. | ||
| How does it help me to come on your show? | ||
| And I said, well, it would be bigger for your show to talk about why you did this and what you think of AI. | ||
| Obviously, if you're a smaller show, go on a bigger show. | ||
| And he goes, no, you don't help me. | ||
| I said, well, Tucker's got his lawyers involved. | ||
| He's really concerned about this because he can't let people fake his voice and then call around and threaten people and call around and say that people want to have sex with people and do this in their name. | ||
| That's stealing someone's identity. | ||
| That's spoofing their phone number, which is a theft of identity. | ||
| And then it's pretending to be them and saying horrible things in their voice. | ||
| You caused a lot of angst. | ||
| And the guy right in front of my producer, we talked to him like two hours ago. | ||
| I said, screw you and laugh at me. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| So for them, it's all about the entertainment. | ||
| It's all about being funny. | ||
| But for me, I get this call. | ||
| I've got to be in an accounting meeting. | ||
| I call Tucker. | ||
| He doesn't answer. | ||
| Leave him a message. | ||
| We talk to him later. | ||
| I call his head producer, Scooter. | ||
| He goes, yeah, send me the info. | ||
| Scooter found out who it was. | ||
| This guy was already bragging. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, imagine. | ||
| You don't just steal somebody's phone number. | ||
| You don't just steal their identity. | ||
| You don't just pose as them where the number comes up that way, which they can do to these IP addresses, these virtual phones you program. | ||
| You then say, hey, Tucker, what's up? | ||
| I want to co-host a show with you. | ||
| I want to have sex with you. | ||
| And I'm like, this isn't Tucker. | ||
| And it's still Tucker's voice. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| Because at first I'm like, hey, sorry, I'm in a meeting. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| Do you believe it's me? | ||
| It's me. | ||
| You saw my number. | ||
| I'm like, no, I see you called, Tucker. | ||
| And then, well, I want to co-host a show with you and do sexual things to you. | ||
| And I said, this is not Tucker Carlson. | ||
| And then the guy lied on his Twitter and said, Jones bought the whole thing. | ||
| No. 30 seconds in, if he doesn't edit the tape, I went, this is AI. | ||
| So we'll see on that front. | ||
| I wouldn't go that far. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But yeah, he tried to get him on the show. | ||
| And I think that Prank made the right call. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think in terms of not going on the show. | ||
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Yeah, no, no. | |
| Fuck you is good. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that at least allows him to control his own input and involvement in terms of this revenue or attention economy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, instead of ceding some sort of ground to Alex. | ||
| Although, I mean, he would get better memes out of it if he just went on Alex's show and clowned on him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, so much fun. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But, yeah, I did notice something in this, and that is that this ends up taking up a fair amount of the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not a whole lot of time. | ||
| I think Norm got bumped. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Not talking about the... | ||
| Cowboys, Norm got fucked? | ||
| Unless he was on in the fourth hour with Drew Hernandez, which I didn't listen to. | ||
| No. | ||
| But yeah, so no time to talk about what is a maybe much more important thing that Alex should be responding to, which is one of his former employees just got charged with seditious conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah, you'd think tying him together with that would be cool. | ||
| Or doing any number of different things would be cool. | ||
| It did end up taking up a lot of time. | ||
| So yeah, he rejected... | ||
| I think there's a little bit of dramatics on Alex's part about being like, he's satanic. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But that's to be expected. | ||
| I do really appreciate how many times in the podcast's existence we have where somebody has given Alex the moral high ground. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| I mean, especially to his audience. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah, totally, totally. | ||
| You know, you can, and I think a lot of people who may listen to this episode will have the response that, fuck Alex, he doesn't deserve the privacy or whatever. | ||
| And I can hear that argument. | ||
| I may not fully agree, but I understand where you're coming from, and I might actually agree after we talk about it a bit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But the moral high ground in terms of his audience is 100% there. | ||
| And one of the other things is that this plays very neatly into one of the topics that Alex talks about all the time, which is this AI takeover and all of this. | ||
| It essentially makes a lot of the points that he tries to make. | ||
| I mean, I'm fine with, you know, listen. | ||
| You know, I'm more on the fuck Alex and his privacy tip than you are, of course. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But my problem is not any of that, and it's all like, who is profiting? | ||
| Qui bono. | ||
| I mean, yeah, well, sure, but I mean, more like, why are we in a situation where you think it's worthwhile to give Alex money to laugh at him? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, because you can put it in any other different terms you want, but you are paying Alex a percentage of whatever you get in order to get your laughs. | ||
| And that's fucking fine if that's what you want to do, but you're not doing anybody any good. | ||
| You're existing in the same selfish bullshit that everybody else is existing in. | ||
| To a degree, and I think that it speaks volumes that you're, you know, when you... | ||
| Engage in this way. | ||
| It is something that Alex is very, very interested in engaging. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That should say something. | ||
| You made Alex happy! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You excited him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why did you do that? | ||
| And why do you expect me to be on board with it? | ||
| And I think that he does actually make a decent case for spinning this into his AI narratives of fear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why AI is so dangerous, because you can give it the prerequisites you want, and have it write all these articles under other names. | ||
| It can produce more articles a thousand times, a million times, a billion times. | ||
| All the articles I can produce, all the articles Tucker Carlson can produce, all the articles James O 'Keefe can produce, and make it look like James O 'Keefe, and make it sound like James O 'Keefe, telling you the messages it wants. | ||
| And people will then not know what's true. | ||
| They won't want to know up from down, and the Globals will be able to take over. | ||
| So this fellow says on Monday, he's going to put the conversation, and I've got it on my phone, so I can see how long it was. | ||
| One minute long. | ||
| Hey, it's Tucker. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| Let me get out of here. | ||
| Well, can you hear me? | ||
| Do you believe it's me? | ||
| No, it's Tucker. | ||
| You see my number? | ||
| I called you. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| This doesn't sound like you. | ||
| I mean, what you're saying doesn't sound like you. | ||
| Well, you know, I want to... | ||
| Coast a show with you and basically have sex with you. | ||
| But this is Tucker. | ||
| This is AI. | ||
| Somebody's doing this. | ||
| Infowars.com. | ||
| I thought it was like some live show doing it. | ||
| It was like Infowars.com, Infowars.com, and they hung up. | ||
| But that's what this is. | ||
| That's the danger of this. | ||
| And the real danger of AI is us accepting it and us using it against fellow humans. | ||
| We've got to hold the line. | ||
| The AI wars are here. | ||
| I'm not saying that Alex makes a compelling argument that I'm necessarily buying, but it is folded into a lot of the conspiracies that he's gone on for a long time. | ||
| If you're somebody who listens to his show, this is evidence of the things that Alex has said are coming. | ||
| They're coming. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Also, there's insinuations that he's working with somebody or some agency. | ||
| It only strengthens the idea that Alex and Tucker are under attack. | ||
| It essentially exists within the InfoWars world very comfortably. | ||
| Oh, and it can't be understated that any private communications released from any of these figures at this point can credibly be called... | ||
| Deepfaked AIs. | ||
| By Alex. | ||
| Yeah, by Alex and his ilk. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's no way that you can, in the world that they exist in. | ||
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Oh, sure. | |
| Here's audio of Tucker saying X, Y, or Z. That was AI. | ||
| And it's incredible. | ||
| You should have heard how good the phone call that called me was. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There is no way to break that artificial bubble. | ||
| There's no way to break the conservative bubble once this line is crossed. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| One of the things that was, and is, and we've even touched on this a little bit already, is really disorienting and jarring about the nature of this world of propaganda and misinformation is the trying to make reality all fucked up. | ||
| What's real, what's not? | ||
| Fake news, all this stuff. | ||
| And I think escalating that... | ||
| And helping that can be... | ||
| I mean, in some respect, Alex would go that way anyway. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no, of course. | ||
| But this is very convenient. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It is like... | ||
| I mean, for a guy who has really had a shit time, to have this fall in his lap must have been the best day. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
| It's been a long time since I've heard him be like... | ||
| Hey, I want you to come on the show, and then we'll, you know, like, in a kind of chipper voice. | ||
| And what's interesting, too, like, let's imagine a scenario where Frank Stallone calls him as being Tucker, and Alex confesses to a crime or something like that. | ||
| Then what? | ||
| That's ill-gotten evidence. | ||
| That's inadmissible in court now. | ||
| Yeah, what are you going to do with that? | ||
| I mean, you've got to report it, but they can't use that. | ||
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Sure, they can't use it. | |
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I mean, the only hope that you can really gain out of it is something embarrassing, right? | ||
| I mean, like, that's the best case scenario going into this prank call. | ||
| It says something embarrassing. | ||
| That's why he went straight for fucking. | ||
| Right, but that is too obviously, like... | ||
| Not Tucker. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So then what? | ||
| What's the goal? | ||
| If that's even how the phone call went, which we have no idea. | ||
| That's just Alex's telling of it. | ||
| The goal is for the attention. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And it is. | ||
| But also, Alex has been through a lot of this stuff in the past, because his career spans over this 20-something years, and there was a time when people would call with soundboards and stuff. | ||
| And so he talks about his experience with that a little bit. | ||
| I've dealt with this 15, 16 years ago. | ||
| There were a lot of popular soundboards online where it's a console online that has hundreds of Alex Jones clips of these different things. | ||
| They did it to a lot of other folks. | ||
| There's the headline, The Intercept. | ||
| U.S. Special Forces want to use deep fakes for PSYOPs. | ||
| There's other articles along those lines. | ||
| And they would call businesses and random groups and play Alex Jones clips at them, yelling at them, auto parts stores, churches, police stations, you name it. | ||
| Sometimes police departments would call me and say, is this you doing this? | ||
| And even before that, 25 years ago, people would program fax machines and send the Austin Police Department messages, I'm coming down there to kill everybody tomorrow at noon. | ||
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Amen. | |
| Oh, I love Detective Blah Blah. | ||
| Did you send us a fax saying you're going to kill everybody tomorrow? | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| Yeah, we thought that. | ||
| Somebody's spoofing your phone number. | ||
| Let's see, your fax machine. | ||
| But whoever did that, it was just funny. | ||
| It was just cute. | ||
| It was really nice to do that. | ||
| This individual, Frank Stallone, at the CJS, he thinks it's funny to copy Tucker Carlson's voice and call up and have Tucker Carlson say he wants to have sex with me. | ||
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Okay, well, when you put it like that. | |
| Suck them titties. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| He thinks it's funny. | ||
| And like, why are you upset? | ||
| Why is Tucker upset? | ||
| Well, I got your phone number. | ||
| I'm spoofing it. | ||
| I'm misrepresenting who you are. | ||
| What's your problem? | ||
| Well, I notice he's gone offline now. | ||
| He's not too happy. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| It's not too good to be on a two-way street, son? | ||
| It's not nice to have somebody say what you're doing to them. | ||
| I'm just sitting here. | ||
| I'm supposed to sit here like I don't exist, like I'm not a real person. | ||
| So at this point, Frank Stallone had tweeted something about going offline. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex took that seriously. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He's going offline. | ||
| That's what he's responding to there. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| While you mess with my life, while you screw with me, I'm supposed to sit here and just roll over because it's all part of your fun? | ||
| He stole Tucker Carlson's identity. | ||
| He faked his number. | ||
| He faked his voice. | ||
| He called me and made sexual threats, basically. | ||
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And he just thinks that's funny. | |
| Because in his sociopathic world, I don't exist. | ||
| Alex Jones is fair game for any attack. | ||
| So is Tucker Carlson. | ||
| We're going to find out who you're working with, buddy. | ||
| I'm sure he'll respond by spamming our numbers out more. | ||
| Already got plans for that. | ||
| But at the end of the day, you'll always be a sack of garbage. | ||
| Well, we keep fighting. | ||
| The cycle continues. | ||
| A never-ending wheel of violence. | ||
| I mean, look, at the beginning of this show, when we were doing this show and we had some audience, I had a position and a feeling that I would like to encourage the audience not to call into Alex's show and fuck with him. | ||
| And the reason for that was twofold. | ||
| One, I thought it was unhealthy. | ||
| And two, I didn't want to mess with the thing that we were trying to gain a better understanding of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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By injecting our own influence onto the thing, we kind of destroyed it. | |
| or the thing that we're studying, and it becomes just over and over. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| Yeah, it's an Ouroboros. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I had that position, and I had that feeling. | ||
| Since being involved in the lawsuit and such, and since, you know, knowing that... | ||
| They got a corporate representative because no one in the company wanted us to make fun of them. | ||
| Knowing those kinds of things, I kind of have to make peace with the fact that some people may call into his show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And if that's the case, someone prank calls him on his show, whatever. | ||
| Generally, you can tell when something's a prank call. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| Calling someone's phone number at home is necessarily great. | ||
| I mean, I've had Alex's phone number for a long time. | ||
| I've had his home address. | ||
| I know these things, and I don't know. | ||
| I guess it may come down to a difference of opinion. | ||
| I mean, I think... | ||
| Of whether or not privacy is respectable. | ||
| Like, we could do this shit. | ||
| Like, that's one of the things that I feel like sometimes goes by the wayside. | ||
| We could do this shit, you know? | ||
| Like, if we wanted to be pieces of fucking shit, we could go hard. | ||
| Also, I was thinking about the closest that we've come, and I mean, we called Larry Nichols back in the day. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that is even something I'm a little bit conflicted about historically. | ||
| Well, he put his number on there. | ||
| He did. | ||
| And we were up front. | ||
| And he invited people to call him. | ||
| And we were up front about who we were. | ||
| We were doing a show. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| This is a show about Alex Jones. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he agreed to talk with us. | ||
| So, but it's still, you know, there's still a feeling of that being almost prank call-y. | ||
| But it wasn't. | ||
| The first time... | ||
| The only reason it even, like... | ||
| Jumps to me is because it is his home phone number. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Again, we only knew it because he said it on air. | ||
| He said it on air. | ||
| And again, we didn't spoof Alex's number when we called him to pretend that we're... | ||
| But I think, again, the first time we called him, it was a bit of a prank call, but more just like a, there's no way he still has this number. | ||
| What an idiot would do that. | ||
| And then it was his number. | ||
| And then we texted him. | ||
| We also cut that out of the episode. | ||
| We cut that out of the episode. | ||
| Then we texted him. | ||
| We set up a time. | ||
| We did the whole thing. | ||
| Like professionals. | ||
| Even though we were not. | ||
| I guess maybe I don't know what the point of this is. | ||
| I mean, outside of the point of, you know, getting attention that works both ways. | ||
| For Alex and for Prank. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But I don't know what greater thing we get than possibly laughing at Alex. | ||
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Nothing. | |
| For talking to an AI voice. | ||
| This is only harmful in the long term. | ||
| And short term. | ||
| It's harmful. | ||
| Everybody gets a nice little dopamine boost of, look at this idiot. | ||
| Look at this idiot in the town square. | ||
| We put him in the stocks for a while, and we throw our tomatoes, and then we just leave. | ||
| Right, and it is a perfect opportunity for an Alex Jones' right kind of campaign. | ||
| Alex said that they're going to use AI to steal people's identities. | ||
| Like, even, I mean, he has a lot more elaborate theories about it, about how, like, you'll download your voice print and people will be able to Sure. | ||
| You know, pretend that you live in a computer after you've died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know, there's some other stuff that goes along I'm tired of fake shit. | |
| I would like to fight someone in the real fucking world. | ||
| I'm tired of all these goddamn attention-grabbing bullshit. | ||
| And Erica Lafferty doesn't get a fucking article about how she has to have a GoFundMe for her fucking shit. | ||
| She doesn't get a shit ton of attention. | ||
| No. | ||
| Something valuable, something good, something real, something that can damage Alex. | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| We're doing some fucking fake voice shit. | ||
| And now again, I don't know what's real! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex talks about another use of this technology. | ||
| And, I mean, I think there are some differences, but there are some similarities, too. | ||
| And if you think this is bad, this is nothing compared to what it's going to do. | ||
| Infowars.com article from April 11th, last month. | ||
| I've got your daughter, mom tricked by AI virtual kidnapping phone scam that cloned daughter's voice. | ||
| Oh, it's just a joke to call a mom and say their daughter's kidnapped. | ||
| Probably took 10 years off her life, but it's funny for you. | ||
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It's cute to terrorize somebody. | |
| It's all a joke. | ||
| Come on, grow up. | ||
| Have a laugh with us when you call a mother and say we've kidnapped your daughter and we're going to kill her. | ||
| Come on, lady. | ||
| Don't you have a sense of humor? | ||
| It's a little self-serving of Alex using that as an example, but on a sort of basic level, It is a more certainly extreme and maybe grotesque use of this technology, but what it is is people spoofing voices, using AI in order to get something out of somebody on the other end. | ||
| On a basic level... | ||
| There is a similarity between a kidnapping fake call scam and somebody who's trying to get a real great piece of content out of Alex. | ||
| Yeah, it's not one-to-one, and it's wrong for him to make that comparison. | ||
| And self-serving. | ||
| But not wrong enough. | ||
| Not far off enough. | ||
| Not far off enough. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I hate these kinds of situations, too, because it really does end up feeling like I'm somehow defensive of Alex or something. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
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It's not. | |
| It's not that. | ||
| I'm sure people could take away from something, any number of conversations that we've had over the years of like, oh, they just want to own this space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, I mean, in a sense, I do want to own this space because he shouldn't be out there. | ||
| Well, I wish... | ||
| This space should be... | ||
| Yeah, and well, I don't want to own the space, as it were, but I do think that there are a number of things that people, either negligently or because they don't really care, do that end up playing into Alex's benefit, and maybe if there were less of that, things would go better. | ||
| And hey, maybe I'm wrong, and if that's the case, then fuck me. | ||
| But like, I... | ||
| I think I've done a bit of work on this subject. | ||
| I would say this. | ||
| I think we're in a place in a time period where we need to start thinking of things as evident based upon the number of years that they have been going on in exactly the same way. | ||
| So if we have been treating Alex in exactly the same way for 20 years, perhaps maybe we should look at ourselves and say, perhaps... | ||
| Perhaps we are involved in why he's got a 20-year-long fucking career. | ||
| Well, I think that there is a complicitness of sensationalism. | ||
| There is a benefit that Alex derives out of things like this. | ||
| Things like the Bon Iver song. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Those are things that are perfect for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not real. | ||
| True. | ||
| They're communicating with Alex on his ground, which is complete and utter bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, and whether you choose to engage directly with him after the fact, you're gonna get used. | ||
| And it's gonna work to Alex's benefit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knows what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He's good at this. | |
| If we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and this is where we are, then maybe we have to do something different, regardless of whatever your argument may be. | ||
| You may have a very cogent argument that I can't communicate enough evidence with you to talk about, but I can tell you that we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and he got extremely absurdly popular, and only continues to fucking make money off of this whore. | ||
| Yeah, and, uh, you know... | ||
| I think there's an argument to be made that our show isn't necessarily the end-all be-all of that. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Yeah, society needs to respond to stuff like this differently. | ||
| And they need to look at Alex not as content fodder. | ||
| He views himself as the meme machine. | ||
| This guy that is perfect for content and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, you're making him a meme. | ||
| And everybody else who engages with him like that is playing in to a lot of the thing that he needs to have oxygen. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, just think about this. | ||
| Did you make Alex Jones happy? | ||
| If you made Alex Jones happy, maybe you shouldn't have. | ||
| Is Alex Jones plugging you multiple times on his show? | ||
| Maybe you're not good. | ||
| Maybe you're not on the side of good. | ||
| Maybe Alex is super into what you're doing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Maybe it's kind of a symbiotic relationship that can only benefit him. | ||
| Maybe you're involved in kayfabe that you do not, maybe don't even realize. | ||
| So anyway, we have one last clip here. | ||
| And actually, this is, I mean, all things being equal. | ||
| I definitely don't agree with Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The gloves are off, guys. | ||
| In fact, I'm going to file a criminal complaint because what you did to me is nothing compared to these women with their daughters and sons, but it's the same crap. | ||
| You don't get to steal our phone numbers and pose as us and then in our voices say things we never said. | ||
| We need to punish these people. | ||
| They need to be dealt with. | ||
| I call for him to be arrested now. | ||
| How would the police like if I copied your voice from a press conference and then started calling up prominent people with the police chief saying he wants to commit crimes? | ||
| That's a crime. | ||
| That's not defamation, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| That's identity theft. | ||
| And I called that piece of garbage today, and he didn't call me back, but he called my producer back. | ||
| I gave her the number, and she came in here during the break, and he laughed at me and thought it was funny. | ||
| We'll see how funny you think it is now, because I'm going to push to get your ass put in jail. | ||
| So keep laughing, you sociopath. | ||
| Alex isn't going to do that, but I think the you should be in jail is a little much. | ||
| It's a little much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, you know? | ||
| Well... | ||
| What if you'd done that to anybody but Alex? | ||
| Called and made sexual overtures in Tucker's voice. | ||
| That's far more problematic, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But it's the same action. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, you know, contextually there is a difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, again, maybe not enough. | ||
| Maybe not enough of a difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's more the problem. | ||
| Yeah, there is a difference. | ||
| And I won't say, like... | ||
| Oh, you have to be... | ||
| It's all this or all that, you know, like in those lines. | ||
| There is a contextual difference, but boy, I don't think it's good for... | ||
| I don't think it's good for us. | ||
| I don't think it's good for the people engaging in this behavior. | ||
| Maybe it's not morally wrong. | ||
| Maybe it's not any of those things. | ||
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I don't know if it is. | |
| Yeah, but I don't think it is going to benefit you or us or the world or anybody but... | ||
| The attention seekers in Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, that's largely my point. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, like I said, if you enjoy it for laughs, by all means. | ||
| I don't think you suck. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I don't think that this guy sucks. | ||
| I think that a lot of prank call stuff, especially to shows, can be a lot of fun. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think that this is miscalculated, and I think it's probably a bad thing to do. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| Spoofing people's numbers and voices is a rough precedent, and calling people on their private phones using those things I think is inappropriate and problematic in a lot of ways. | ||
| But, you know, larger picture, I have the exact same issue with this that I have with the song, the Bon Iver song. | ||
| It's not going to get the end result that maybe you want. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Alex, an ex-employee and a frequent guest of his, got arrested and charged and found guilty of seditious conspiracy. | ||
| And he's using the same racist narratives that inspired Dylann Roof to discuss the man who was choked to death on the subway. | ||
| Real shit. | ||
| These are things that are important. | ||
| That's not going to be in any way dealt with or even touched on. | ||
| Fake shit. | ||
| With prank calling him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People who like Alex will see vindication in it. | ||
| And see it as a further piece of proof that he's under attack. | ||
| Maybe some people who are on the fence will be convinced by the hashtag Alex Jones of it all. | ||
| Alex Jones was right. | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| The fight is what makes these people stronger. | ||
| There's no win or lose. | ||
| It's just the constant fight. | ||
| I want him to go away. | ||
| Don't call him. | ||
| Don't... | ||
| Text him. | ||
| Don't speak to him. | ||
| Pretend he doesn't exist. | ||
| It's like that Black Mirror episode. | ||
| Every time he goes outside, you should see a blank screen. | ||
| No Alex Jones. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Pretend he's not real. | ||
| I want to end the fight. | ||
| Except as an academic weird curiosity. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Well, I mean, we basically study him like a weird lizard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, it's kind of what he is. | ||
| It's kind of what he is, yeah. | ||
| See, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to end this. | ||
| Ah, well, it's gonna end with us admitting that we're a little bit, maybe, uh, monkish. | ||
| Maybe a little ascetic. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| And we're not, and there's no, like, moral judgment. | ||
| There's no, like, looking down or anything. | ||
| It's like, it's about solving shit. | ||
| It's about solving shit. | ||
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Ideally. | |
| I don't wanna keep the fucking cycle going, man! | ||
| Yeah, ideally, um... | ||
| Ideally, you hope, like I said, I hope to gain more understanding. | ||
| You have a goal of hoping to solve things. | ||
| None of that is necessarily served by any of this. | ||
| And all it does is create a giant ball of attention that Alex is incredibly adept at exploiting and using for his purposes. | ||
| I got all that attention! | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that anybody who believes that they're going to enter the attention battle with Alex and come out ahead is probably... | ||
| They might feel like they won. | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| But that's the thing, is that because we live in two different realities, they both win. | ||
| They both get to walk away with the win. | ||
| The only people who don't are the people watching the two of them do their shit. | ||
| And then Alex continues. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| Indeed we will. | ||
| Maybe we'll find out what happened with that call. | ||
| Oh no, we won't, because we've got to record on Sunday, so it'll still not be out. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| What you gonna do? | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| Get ready for a past episode, assholes! | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had to listen to Steven Crowder. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| We're gonna go into the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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