Knowledge Fight’s #804 episode dissects Alex Jones’ May 3–4, 2023 broadcast, recorded from Steven Crowder’s Texas studio amid his scandal over leaked abuse footage and divorce claims. Jones frames U.S. drone strikes on Putin as justified war while ignoring Russia’s civilian attacks, then pivots to AI pranks—like a spoofed Tucker Carlson call—exploiting them as proof of "psychological warfare" despite dubious credibility. Friesen and Holmes expose his hypocrisy: selective biblical literalism, conspiracy-driven outrage, and distraction from real threats like his convicted employees’ seditious conspiracy convictions. The takeaway? Jones thrives on manufactured conflict, turning even absurd pranks into propaganda while society’s endless engagement fuels his influence. [Automatically generated summary]
No, and so there is a series that Star Wars puts out called Star Wars Visions, and they have a bunch of different animating studios make these short stories that are...
So, so unique inside the world of Star Wars.
There's definitely a point of view that you don't get from other creators and the like, because with the less attention and the less budget, they're allowed to do more interesting things.
So this season, you've got, like, Claymation done by, like...
You know, we had your interview episode on Monday, and then we recorded that interview on Tuesday night with Mark, and it was going to come out on Wednesday.
See, that's the thing that people don't know about us personally, is that you know me well enough to know that No matter what, my ego needs to be kept in check at all costs.
But yeah, I knew everything was fine on our front, but I did see some people commenting on that and I wanted to know that there's no animosity or weirdness between us.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this live Wednesday edition of the Alice Jones Show.
It's May 3rd, 2023, and I come to you live from the amazing studios in an unknown location in Texas of the great Steven Crowder and his wonderful crew.
We'll be here for the next three hours and 55 minutes, and then Owen Schroeder, 3 p.m. Central today from the M4 studios in the once great city of Austin, Texas, now taking over the lawless George Soros left.
There was a tiny bit of fuck you in there, but it wasn't over.
So then, flash forward a bit.
Until fairly recently, within the last couple weeks, Steven Crowder puts out a video where he discusses that he is getting a divorce and has been in the process of this divorce for a while and that he had been trying to keep it secret and that...
Candace Owens...
He heavily implied that Candace Owens was extorting him.
So anyway, he was very seriously and strongly insinuated that Candace Owens was extorting him about the fact that he was getting a divorce, which he was keeping private for the safety of his children, ostensibly, or something along those lines.
And so public opinion has become quite against Stephen Crowder in terms of his behavior.
I believe, as I understand, some of the main things in this video that was released, there's him trying to get her to feed the dog some medicine that's dangerous for pregnant women to...
Especially the reputational damage and institutional damage that he did to himself with the entire fiasco with Daily Wire makes, I think, probably most reputable businesses not want to work with him.
You know, it is so fascinating to me how when somebody with the ideological bent that leans towards doing these things to people...
When people work for them, they cannot engage in any of the behavior, like, say, reporting him for doing all this shit, because they ideologically believe that he should be allowed to abuse them.
So yeah, there was a drone that flew over the Kremlin, which may or may not have been shot down.
The exact purpose of the drone's mission is unknown, and all parties have been denying responsibility for it.
It's a little rich of Alex to make a big deal out of this being an act of war, though, seeing as Russia is currently engaged in a war of aggression against Ukraine.
Even if the drone was sent by Ukraine, are they not allowed to do acts of war when they're in a war that they didn't start?
The second thing I find interesting is that until a few years ago, Alex would very easily have said that this was an instance of Putin false flagging himself to blame his enemies.
So he could justify greater aggression against them.
Not anymore, though, because Putin's just the best.
And speaking of more, I want to talk about Tucker Carlson.
I covered this some in the last hour of the show yesterday, but Stephen agrees, my listeners agree, my crew agrees, everybody I talk to agrees.
The dirt that Fox News, and that's who's releasing the satellite raw feeds of Tucker Carlson making jokes about media matters and about postmenopausal women and things like that.
He's being done by Fox because Tucker has a non-disparagement clause in his contract.
So they're leaking it, disgustingly, to media matters, hoping that by messing with Tucker and getting in his face that he will then strike back at them and then they can play some type of game with his contract.
Now, I can tell everybody that wants to bring down Tucker Carlson some news.
I know the inside baseball.
I know what really went on.
And I've known this information in confidence, so I will not be telling you what I know here.
I just want everybody laughing, everybody thinking you've got a victory to know.
You have just made Tucker Carlson bigger.
Just like censoring M4 has only made us bigger.
And Tucker Carlson is not going anywhere.
And I would leave it at that.
And I would also say that for a lot of the groups out there, Patrick Van Davis is a really nice guy.
I like him a lot.
Newsmax has some people over there.
I know they're all offering Tucker.
$100 million contracts, the rest of it, over the next five years, to just say this.
I wouldn't hold your breath, because Tucker's already been through the experience of having bosses at the Heritage Foundation, and then at CNN, and then at a bunch of other places, and Tucker wants to be his own boss.
And in the future, in the very near future, I would expect Tucker Carlson...
You know, it's so crazy to me because I'm just thinking like, holy shit, if I'm Tucker, I can start a podcast tomorrow, get a million downloads, and have a comfortable...
Like, just leave all the money or give all the money to other people.
All of us with those little actions build monumental collective efforts.
And we have to start using that power right now.
And that means in the information war, you've got to share the links, share the videos, take the clips you think are most important, and post them on TikTok, post them on Instagram, post them on Twitter, post them on Facebook, post them on YouTube, and also post them on all the, quote, new sites like Rumble, like Gab, like the many other sites that are out there that are exploding in size.
And that's why they've not just come after me or not just come after Carlson.
It's why they're coming after Steven Crowder.
And I happen to know the inside baseball on that.
I'm not going to reveal it.
I'm going to ask not to on that as well.
But let me just say this.
When push comes to shove and it's come to shove, Steven Crowder will be completely vindicated in triplicate with a royal flush with what's going on.
Because the same COINTELPRO dirty tactics that they used against Martin Luther King have been used against Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Stephen Crowder, and many, many other people like Roger Stone.
I didn't bring this up because it was a ways back, but that first video that he did where he discussed how he was being extorted about his divorce, Crowder made at least a couple mentions of how much it bothered him that...
His wife could just decide that she wanted to get divorced and that was enough.
I've got a lot of huge news here that I mentioned in the first big segment, but let's go ahead and drill into it right now.
We'll show you some video of that for TV viewers.
But this is a big deal.
You have Zelensky in the last six months launching hundreds of drone assaults directed by NATO with the NATO intelligence hundreds of miles into Russia and into Moscow itself.
Now, in the early morning hours today in Russia, the living quarters of Vladimir Putin...
It was attacked by two drones.
Two of them both were shot down.
Now, obviously, if the Russians bombed the Capitol building in Kiev, it would be called a war crime.
They've not been hitting main civilian targets reportedly on purpose.
I'm not a Russian apologist.
That's just a fact.
That's why they all walk around out in the open in the main cities.
A few missiles have gone astray, but they've mainly been hitting military targets and infrastructure targets.
Over the course of the past 14 months or so of the war, Russia has attacked civilian targets on numerous occasions.
They've bombed hospitals, they've repeatedly shelled the city of Kharkiv, they've targeted schools, shopping malls, apartment buildings, and even multiple humanitarian corridors that were established to allow civilians to flee dangerous areas.
by saying the things he's saying, Alex is 100% being a Russia apologist.
He doesn't want people to think that he is, and he knows that once the fog of war clears, he doesn't want people to think that he's a Russian.
It's not gonna change.
Because Alex is a complete idiot, in October of last year, Russia carried out multiple missile attacks on Kiev, the capital of Ukraine.
Yeah.
Among other things, the missiles hit a playground and a university.
It's a convenient excuse to say that you were targeting some kind of a legitimate military site whenever you actually hit an apartment building and kill a ton of civilians, but when that starts to become a pattern, the excuse seems a little weak.
And if you can't be relied on to have the accuracy that would be required to hit these targets that are near civilian targets, you should not be using those...
Yeah, there have been many assassination attempts on Zelensky during the war.
Groups of Chechen mercenaries and members of the Wagner group have been enlisted to take on plots to kill Zelensky, and they've just failed.
If you accept the premise that this drone was an assassination attempt on Putin, which is a dubious assumption to begin with, then it comes after repeated plots to kill Zelensky.
Alex denies these things happen because he's a Putin apologist, and he fully supports him in his war against Ukraine, but he doesn't want to have to deal with the inconvenient facts.
But Steven, with all this big news, the open borders, the end of Title 42, the bank collapse.
All the transgender cult going crazy.
I think what you bring up on here is most central.
This is a spiritual battle, good versus evil.
I can tell you that I was told by sources very close to Tucker that, yeah, the main thing was him becoming Christian and really preaching it to people, and that that really upset Rupert Murdoch.
And so what is it about the name of Jesus?
What is it about...
Being a Christian broadcaster that scares the system so much, you brought this up today, and I think it's really central.
I don't want to say you've been a better Christian than me, but I know your pastoral history, nobody's perfect.
You've been very steadfast in your beliefs since you were very, very young, and that's really what's guided you.
But Alex, and you, and me, might be surprised to learn that Murdoch's company, News Corp, owns a Christian media entity called Zondervan, which owns the rights to the NIV version of the Bible.
And of course, there's always sort of this infighting as far as what qualifies a theologian.
I mean, Jesus never went to seminary.
I do think, look, there is truth.
It comes down to truth, right?
I think both you and I are obsessed with truth.
And I don't think there's any greater truth than the fact that God created the world and Jesus Christ is this one and only son.
He sent his son for all of us, and there's no way to be redeemed outside of that.
Now, I understand that there are a lot of atheists who watch, a lot of libertarians who now are becoming sympathetic toward the idea because they see that if there are no Judeo-Christian principles, Western civilization ceases to be.
This idea of, if I don't need a God, if you need a God to tell you not to kill, then you must be a horrible person.
And I always go with those people, I say, well, hold on a second.
Okay, not all societies agree that you shouldn't kill, or certainly the circumstances surrounding killing.
And then, Stephen's example that he brings up is unspecified Native American tribes who were cool with theft because they didn't have a concept of personal property.
Here's where Stephen makes a huge error in his thinking.
If these cultures had no concept of personal property, then there is no theft.
It's not that they were okay with theft.
It's that what Stephen wants to call theft is not theft.
His belief in personal property in and of itself creates the existence of theft, which he's decided is wrong, and he maybe justifies that with the Bible.
Stephen is getting this backwards by looking down on this culture for being okay with theft when what they're really doing is looking at ownership through a different lens than him and he doesn't care to understand.
Yeah, it is essentially the exact same thing idiot white people believed 500 years ago.
The third thing is adultery.
I think that Western culture is full of adultery and philandering, particularly among people who claim Christian values are the basis of their lives.
There's no law in the United States against adultery or sleeping around, so I have no idea what Stephen's actually even talking about.
Considering that he's talking to Alex Jones, the guy who claims he slept with 150 women before the age of 18, and considering that he's in the middle of a particularly nasty public divorce right now, I don't really understand the point that he's trying to illustrate here with the adultery and anti-philandering is the cornerstone basis that's unique to Christendom.
There are many examples of Buddhist ideas around mercy and compassion, and the Muslim tale The Conference of Birds from the 1100s gives a pretty resonant story that's been immortalized in art like the painting A Ruffian Spares the Life of a Poor Man.
None of these ideas or values only exist because of Christendom, and none of them are really actually generally practiced by the sort of Christians that Alex and Stephen represent.
Even as saying are incoherent and meaningless.
But behind all of it is the real point that he wants to drive home.
Namely that we should live in a Christian theocracy because a system based on anything else is inferior.
Maybe the only times that it penetrates into, like, Alex or Stephen's world is when some racist posts a video from there in order to make a point that black people are out trying to attack white people.
Even if people want to say zygote, embryo, where does...
Okay, but at the point where you look at the abortion policies in California, in Colorado, in Virginia, no one denies that you are ending a life.
And the only reason at that point, when you look at a very small percentage of incest or rape, the vast majority are because someone doesn't want to raise the baby.
Yeah, I think some of the reluctance to get married, some of it may be just shifting cultural beliefs around relationships, some of that, and then some of it might also be materially based in, like, no one can afford a home.
Yeah, so some of that, also just having to work more to stay afloat.
I think a lot of people might not be able to prioritize a committed relationship in the same way people had the time or the emotional space to in the past.
There's a phenomenon in Japan of couples staying together despite their marriage essentially being over because of some stigma and societal taboos around divorce.
Particularly if you have children, you don't want them to be the child of divorced parents.
There is some of that culturally, but I don't think that that's necessarily everybody.
But what Stephen's saying is just nonsense.
Also, plenty of American couples, even today, sleep.
There was a New York Times survey just in February that came out, and I would like you to guess what percentage of American couples sleep separately according to that survey.
Well, I mean, if you were going to be a biblical literalist, the fundament of that would be that the book itself is the revelation of the words of God specifically, and that he himself wrote it.
So, Alex, in talking about this, in this conversation that he and Stephen are having, brings up a bit about the Judeo-Christian roots of all of our ethics and all of this stuff.
First of all, I know that we've heard Alex bring this up before, the idea that Jews aren't Jews, kind of secular humanists have taken over and are calling themselves Jews.
That's just another anti-Semitic formulation.
But this I do find very bizarre, that Alex doesn't quite understand that these conversations are self-selected by who he's hanging out with.
These are your friends who want to take the Judeo out of Judeo-Christian.
So it says, well, we believe in the Bible except not everything else.
For example, in Islam, this was one thing we talked about recently, where they get really mad, for example, if you draw Muhammad.
Now, I'm not saying you should just go out and troll and draw Muhammad, but what I am saying is, hold on, that's more offensive than a religion that says Jesus is not exactly who he claimed he was, right?
Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but that he didn't die, that the body was replaced.
Well, that's sacrilegious to Christians, certainly more so than drawing a card.
And again, we know what Muhammad did, who was basically attacking Muslims, but it's true.
He was illiterate.
And he lived there at the crossroads in Mecca, basically going after the trains, the camel trains, you know, that came through from the east going west.
And he would rob the caravans, and he just smartly said, I'll control people, and I'll take a cosmology of the dominant religions of Judaism and Christianity, and I'll adopt that and have my own religion.
And within a generation after his death, they control the whole Middle East.
I think it's because they talk about that all the time.
And so maybe it's just like, we don't need to do this bit again.
Yeah, that's true.
It's a pretty standard Muhammad bit for them.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I think one of the differences between having a belief that someone else disagrees with and drawing Muhammad to anger Muslims, there's a difference between holding a belief and I mean, there's even more simply a situation where you can't tell another religion that they're more offensive to you than you are to them.
But that's kind of what I'm getting at to a certain extent, is if a member of religion A privately believes that the figurehead of your religion isn't the son of God, that is just a belief that they have.
I find it very difficult to imagine, if you're Alex, and you believe that this is the history of Islam, then I find it very difficult to imagine that you could ever really respect somebody who believes that faith.
But, like, we've been over it a bunch, and the reason that California made it not a felony to expose someone to HIV is because the law didn't work to begin with, and it was counterproductive.
In order to be prosecuted for knowingly exposing someone to HIV, you'd need to know you had it, which disincentivizes people to get tested and know their status.
As it stands now, even after the law, it's still a misdemeanor in California to knowingly infect someone with HIV intentionally, as is the case with knowingly and intentionally infecting someone with any other virus.
I really, really just don't like it when there are things that I find very offensive, like ideas that I think are really offensive, being brought up in ways that are presented as jokes but are bad jokes.
Because I don't even know what to do with this.
You're not sincere in the way you're articulating this.
You're not trying to be taken seriously.
You're not funny.
I don't know what it is.
The marriage of Alex and Steven Crowder is a real bad thing, because Steven Crowder has a bigger audience than Alex, so Alex will always be excited to go over there, but Steven makes his content worse.
We have one of the top immigration investigators in the world, Michael Yahn, joining us from the Darien Gap in Central America from an uplink he has found in the middle of the jungle.
We're also going to be having Norm Pattis on Andrew Hernandez.
Norm Pattis is one of the main lawyers for the Proud Boys who just 30 minutes ago...
We're found guilty of terrorism, seditious conspiracy.
They face decades and decades in prison in the reg trial in the district of Mordor, hell on the Potomac, Washington, D.C. So I was listening to that, I was thinking, I'd forgotten every now and again that Norm's one of their lawyers.
According to FBI Krabs, there's every 21 attacks on whites.
There is one attack on a black by a white person.
I'm not attacking black people.
That's just the facts.
Most black people are not doing this.
It is a minority, though, of black males and black females that are now viciously attacking whites everywhere.
Well, some type of argument broke out on a subway, and a white former Marine choked the man for only about 30 seconds, probably went too far, killed him.
And now, oh, the demonstrations, the riots, it's all...
Beginning, ladies and gentlemen, because they finally have another George Floyd image.
They need chokehold death of Jordan Neely.
Ruled a homicide as outrage grows over caught-on-video subway killing.
I can show you 100 videos of whites being attacked, many of them being killed from just this week.
We don't really show a lot of that, though it doesn't take the whole show over.
We show some of it.
But maybe we should just do a whole four-hour show and just show back-to-back blacks murdering whites.
But see, the media doesn't show that because they're helping promote that idea that that's a good thing to happen or that whites deserve it.
But, oh my gosh, a white guy accidentally kills a black man who they admit was being aggressive and is mentally ill.
So we've talked about this over and over, but it bears repeating because this is very important and central to a lot of Alex's shit, but he's lying about crime statistics in a way that's designed to incite white anger.
This is the same fraudulent narrative that was the radicalizing influence on Dylann Roof as he planned his racist mass murder, and Alex knows this.
Also, at the beginning of that clip, he said that the guy went too far in his choking.
That's the entire point that people are making.
That guy didn't have the right to go too far and kill someone under the pretense of subduing him.
And it turns out, from one of the articles that I was reading, the fact that he is a former Marine actually could work against him because he would have training in these sorts of things.
And going too far is more of an egregious mistake.
I still don't know enough about the people involved.
any kind of definitive, like, he definitely knew it was going to, accidents can happen.
And, you know, there was somebody who was on the train who said that the guy was making some pretty scary comments I'm not saying necessarily that subduing him is the right thing to do, though I do understand how a situation could get to that point.
One of the most bizarre things that ever happened to me in my life happened yesterday afternoon at about 5.45.
I was sitting in an accounting meeting, Infowars accounting meeting, in an office building.
Not here.
And the phone rings.
And it says Tucker Carlson.
And we talk here and there on the phone.
We text a lot.
And I said, I'm going to step out.
Got an important call to make.
And I stepped out into the hallway.
And somebody tried to shake my hand.
I said, hey, I can't talk.
I was a little bit distracted.
I go, hey, what's going on, Tucker?
And it's Tucker Carlson's voice.
And it starts saying these horrible, lewd sexual things to me.
And I instantly figure out, this is AI, someone spoofing his number, and I confront the individuals on this.
They say a few more things, and then the phone hangs up.
And I immediately called Tucker and talked to him, talked to his lead producer as well, called Scooter up, and just said, hey, if this just happened to me, it's probably happening to other people.
This is the next level of their setup.
Then it turns out the individual that did it, that has quite the following on Twitter, bragged that they had just done it and just recorded it and done it.
And so we're going to be talking about that.
He says he's going to be airing it.
His name is Prank Stallone on Twitter.
He's going to be airing it on his show Monday.
Well, it's very important for Prank Stallone to come on this show today or tomorrow and explain he's not part of a government group or an agency.
Because what he did, spoofing someone's number, and then doing that in many jurisdictions is a crime.
Now, I don't think Tucker Carlson wants to press charges, but you need to come on the air and need to explain your intent was not to be mean.
Because he says he's pointing out the dangers of AI here.
I mean, I obviously would love a situation where there was a win condition, but I'm not even sure what that is.
For me, I gravitate generally towards hoping to have greater understanding of things.
You know, that's kind of what my true north is.
In terms of, you know, the things that are worth doing are things that increase understanding, increase knowledge base, and what have you.
And to me, something like this, I think, is just kind of...
On its basis, kind of, like, yeah, maybe there's something funny about this, but it's kind of a bleh.
But there are other elements of this that I actually find slightly problematic, and I'm not really thrilled with this, to be honest.
I've known about Prank Stallone.
I've seen some of his videos, and I honestly don't think it's bad.
If someone enjoys...
Even this call with Alex, I don't think that's a bad thing.
If you get a little kick out of it, fine.
I think that there is a very real line between calling a radio show and fucking with them and calling someone's private cell phone number.
I believe that that borders on harassment.
I think that...
Spoofing someone else's phone number and using AI to try and trick them into thinking that they're talking to somebody else is a pretty fucked up layer of...
I mean, it all kind of does go back to harassment.
It is a bit harassing.
And I do not feel pity or empathy for Alex in this circumstance.
I understand that he's a piece of shit.
I get it.
This is an invasion of privacy and harassment in a way that I think is not appropriate.
Yeah.
I don't believe that it's justifiable because Alex is a piece of shit.
Because guess what?
There's a bunch of other people with ill intent who would think that you or I are pieces of shit.
If we arbitrarily decide who doesn't get their privacy respected or who is fine to harass in private spaces because we don't like them or we have problems with what they do.
Well, we were talking a little bit about it before the show, because I didn't know anything about it, but that he is not releasing the audio until Monday.
There are two people who are trying to profit off of this, and one of them is Frank Stallone and the other one is Alex, and they're both going to profit, and nobody else will.
If you tweet something like this, that is this incendiary and attention-baiting, and then it's days until you're going to put out the thing, the reason is to accumulate more hype and interest surrounding the thing.
And granted, I think that that's how almost everybody operates, but I don't...
Normalizing it and making it seem like this is something that is fun, that you can mess around with, I think that down that road is some pretty scary shit.
This is somebody calling me with an AI soundboard where they type out a script, put it in AI, they have a recording, then they just hit buttons of different responses.
To make it sound like a conversation.
And the guy that did it is now admitted on Twitter with over 2.5 million views that he did that.
His name is Prank Stallone at TheCJS on Twitter.
In fact, let's show his original tweet if we can.
So he starts saying sexually explicit things.
I want to co-host a show with you.
I want to, you know, do sexual things to you.
And I said, this isn't Tucker Carlson.
Instantly, my brain says this is AI and somebody spoofed his phone number calling me doing it.
Okay, so let's say someone has Tucker Carlson's cell phone and also Alex Jones' cell phone number and also an AI Tucker Carlson's voice.
They could, in theory, call Alex Jones and pretend to be Tucker and have a full conversation with him anyways.
I just did that.
And that is what happened yesterday.
He says they're going to release it Monday.
And this person is so divorced from God, so satanic, as I talked to him earlier today on the phone, they go, I'm not going to come on your show and explain this isn't aggressive.
To be friendly, you're bigger than me.
How does it help me to come on your show?
And I said, well, it would be bigger for your show to talk about why you did this and what you think of AI.
Obviously, if you're a smaller show, go on a bigger show.
And he goes, no, you don't help me.
I said, well, Tucker's got his lawyers involved.
He's really concerned about this because he can't let people fake his voice and then call around and threaten people and call around and say that people want to have sex with people and do this in their name.
That's stealing someone's identity.
That's spoofing their phone number, which is a theft of identity.
And then it's pretending to be them and saying horrible things in their voice.
You caused a lot of angst.
And the guy right in front of my producer, we talked to him like two hours ago.
But yeah, so no time to talk about what is a maybe much more important thing that Alex should be responding to, which is one of his former employees just got charged with seditious conspiracy.
You know, you can, and I think a lot of people who may listen to this episode will have the response that, fuck Alex, he doesn't deserve the privacy or whatever.
And I can hear that argument.
I may not fully agree, but I understand where you're coming from, and I might actually agree after we talk about it a bit.
But the moral high ground in terms of his audience is 100% there.
And one of the other things is that this plays very neatly into one of the topics that Alex talks about all the time, which is this AI takeover and all of this.
It essentially makes a lot of the points that he tries to make.
I mean, because you can put it in any other different terms you want, but you are paying Alex a percentage of whatever you get in order to get your laughs.
And that's fucking fine if that's what you want to do, but you're not doing anybody any good.
You're existing in the same selfish bullshit that everybody else is existing in.
And that's why AI is so dangerous, because you can give it the prerequisites you want, and have it write all these articles under other names.
It can produce more articles a thousand times, a million times, a billion times.
All the articles I can produce, all the articles Tucker Carlson can produce, all the articles James O 'Keefe can produce, and make it look like James O 'Keefe, and make it sound like James O 'Keefe, telling you the messages it wants.
And people will then not know what's true.
They won't want to know up from down, and the Globals will be able to take over.
So this fellow says on Monday, he's going to put the conversation, and I've got it on my phone, so I can see how long it was.
One minute long.
Hey, it's Tucker.
How are you doing?
Oh, sorry.
Let me get out of here.
Well, can you hear me?
Do you believe it's me?
No, it's Tucker.
You see my number?
I called you.
Yeah, man.
This doesn't sound like you.
I mean, what you're saying doesn't sound like you.
Well, you know, I want to...
Coast a show with you and basically have sex with you.
But this is Tucker.
This is AI.
Somebody's doing this.
Infowars.com.
I thought it was like some live show doing it.
It was like Infowars.com, Infowars.com, and they hung up.
But that's what this is.
That's the danger of this.
And the real danger of AI is us accepting it and us using it against fellow humans.
I'm not saying that Alex makes a compelling argument that I'm necessarily buying, but it is folded into a lot of the conspiracies that he's gone on for a long time.
If you're somebody who listens to his show, this is evidence of the things that Alex has said are coming.
One of the things that was, and is, and we've even touched on this a little bit already, is really disorienting and jarring about the nature of this world of propaganda and misinformation is the trying to make reality all fucked up.
What's real, what's not?
Fake news, all this stuff.
And I think escalating that...
And helping that can be...
I mean, in some respect, Alex would go that way anyway.
And what's interesting, too, like, let's imagine a scenario where Frank Stallone calls him as being Tucker, and Alex confesses to a crime or something like that.
But also, Alex has been through a lot of this stuff in the past, because his career spans over this 20-something years, and there was a time when people would call with soundboards and stuff.
And so he talks about his experience with that a little bit.
There were a lot of popular soundboards online where it's a console online that has hundreds of Alex Jones clips of these different things.
They did it to a lot of other folks.
There's the headline, The Intercept.
U.S. Special Forces want to use deep fakes for PSYOPs.
There's other articles along those lines.
And they would call businesses and random groups and play Alex Jones clips at them, yelling at them, auto parts stores, churches, police stations, you name it.
Sometimes police departments would call me and say, is this you doing this?
And even before that, 25 years ago, people would program fax machines and send the Austin Police Department messages, I'm coming down there to kill everybody tomorrow at noon.
Amen.
Oh, I love Detective Blah Blah.
Did you send us a fax saying you're going to kill everybody tomorrow?
I'm like, no.
Yeah, we thought that.
Somebody's spoofing your phone number.
Let's see, your fax machine.
But whoever did that, it was just funny.
It was just cute.
It was really nice to do that.
This individual, Frank Stallone, at the CJS, he thinks it's funny to copy Tucker Carlson's voice and call up and have Tucker Carlson say he wants to have sex with me.
I mean, look, at the beginning of this show, when we were doing this show and we had some audience, I had a position and a feeling that I would like to encourage the audience not to call into Alex's show and fuck with him.
And the reason for that was twofold.
One, I thought it was unhealthy.
And two, I didn't want to mess with the thing that we were trying to gain a better understanding of.
It's a little self-serving of Alex using that as an example, but on a sort of basic level, It is a more certainly extreme and maybe grotesque use of this technology, but what it is is people spoofing voices, using AI in order to get something out of somebody on the other end.
On a basic level...
There is a similarity between a kidnapping fake call scam and somebody who's trying to get a real great piece of content out of Alex.
I'm sure people could take away from something, any number of conversations that we've had over the years of like, oh, they just want to own this space.
Yeah, and well, I don't want to own the space, as it were, but I do think that there are a number of things that people, either negligently or because they don't really care, do that end up playing into Alex's benefit, and maybe if there were less of that, things would go better.
And hey, maybe I'm wrong, and if that's the case, then fuck me.
I think we're in a place in a time period where we need to start thinking of things as evident based upon the number of years that they have been going on in exactly the same way.
So if we have been treating Alex in exactly the same way for 20 years, perhaps maybe we should look at ourselves and say, perhaps...
Perhaps we are involved in why he's got a 20-year-long fucking career.
If we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and this is where we are, then maybe we have to do something different, regardless of whatever your argument may be.
You may have a very cogent argument that I can't communicate enough evidence with you to talk about, but I can tell you that we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and he got extremely absurdly popular, and only continues to fucking make money off of this whore.
In fact, I'm going to file a criminal complaint because what you did to me is nothing compared to these women with their daughters and sons, but it's the same crap.
You don't get to steal our phone numbers and pose as us and then in our voices say things we never said.
We need to punish these people.
They need to be dealt with.
I call for him to be arrested now.
How would the police like if I copied your voice from a press conference and then started calling up prominent people with the police chief saying he wants to commit crimes?
That's a crime.
That's not defamation, ladies and gentlemen.
That's identity theft.
And I called that piece of garbage today, and he didn't call me back, but he called my producer back.
I gave her the number, and she came in here during the break, and he laughed at me and thought it was funny.
We'll see how funny you think it is now, because I'm going to push to get your ass put in jail.
I think that this is miscalculated, and I think it's probably a bad thing to do.
It's a...
Spoofing people's numbers and voices is a rough precedent, and calling people on their private phones using those things I think is inappropriate and problematic in a lot of ways.
But, you know, larger picture, I have the exact same issue with this that I have with the song, the Bon Iver song.
It's not going to get the end result that maybe you want.
Yep.
Yep.
Alex, an ex-employee and a frequent guest of his, got arrested and charged and found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
And he's using the same racist narratives that inspired Dylann Roof to discuss the man who was choked to death on the subway.