Knowledge Fight - #796: February 4, 2004

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#796: February 4, 2004

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Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ February 4, 2004 episode, where he uncritically platformed Hutton Gibson—a white nationalist and anti-Semite tied to the League of the South—promoting secessionist fantasies like "a white man’s land" free of "Jew influence." Jones ignored historical context (e.g., slavery’s role in 1860s secession) and even praised Gibson’s Holocaust denial work, while hosts mocked his absurd claims. The episode reveals Jones’ pattern of amplifying fringe conspiracy theories without scrutiny, normalizing extremism under the guise of patriotism. [Automatically generated summary]
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dan friesen

33:44

jordan holmes

17:44

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01:05

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgeparty.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
unidentified		And I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
		Shang, we are the bad guys.
		Knowledge and fight.
unidentified		Dan and Jordan.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I need money.
		Andy and Pansy.
		Andy and Pandy.
		Andy and Pansy.
		Andy and Kansas.
unidentified		Andy.
unidentified		Andy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
		Andy and Kansas.
		You're on the earth.
		Thanks for all of us.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fish pin caller over here saying I love your room.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
		Knowledgefight.com.
		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
		I'm Jordan.
		We're a couple dudes.
		Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe and John.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan.
unidentified		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Quick question for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, my bright spot today is not so much a bright spot as it is a shots-fired spot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Shots-fired spot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm taking aim at some novelty stuff that I've tried that has been garbage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I propose we call it Bright Spots Fired.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bright Spots Fired.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is a knockout.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		First, Dr. Pepper, strawberry, and cream.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Get out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not strawberry and cream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seemed like it had potential.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can't not think like, maybe I'll try this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Strawberries and cream is an ambitious flavor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For a Dr. Pepper?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Pepper has 31 flavors in it, or that's basketball.
unidentified		That's basketball.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it has a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think some of them are like cherry and maybe plum or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or what have you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like strawberry is something that could be blended in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's overpowering and not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to throw this out.
		Okay.
		I have always thought Dr. Pepper should just be Dr. Pepper because I've never thought about what Dr. Pepper was.
		You know, like a Coke is coca leaves or any number of different things.
		You know, like a cream soda is a cream soda.
		Dr. Pepper, I don't know what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just Dr. Pepper.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's this fella got through his post-grad work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he decided to make sodas.
		And he came up with a great recipe.
		11 herbs and spices.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, no, that's KFC.
		Was that a Hedberg?
		Was Hedberg's joke the Mr. Pibb joke?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's the Dr. Pepper diet.
		Dr. Pepper tastes more like regular Dr. Pepper.
		That means you fucked up.
		No, but he also has a Mr. Pepper.
		No, who was that?
		I can't remember.
		Doesn't even have his degree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		More of a Mr. Pibb guy.
		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that Dr. Pepper, not good.
		And here's the other thing.
		This applies to this drink and the next one that I got is you cannot get just one.
		You have to get like a 12-pack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I hate to say it, but that is how they get you.
		It is.
		It's how they get you.
		It is literally how they get you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I ended up with like, okay, now I got to either drink the rest of these shitty drinks or I have to, you know, toss them out or like pour them down the sink so I can recycle the cans or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the second one is Coca-Cola Move.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		Move.
		Is that milk and Coca-Cola?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know what it is.
		I imagine it's some sort of a like charity kind of thing or whatever.
		I don't know what it is.
		It looked like it had a charitable connection to it.
		I didn't look too deeply into it.
		Okay.
		But I was out with a friend Matt Riggs at the store and grabbed it because it looked different.
		And what the fuck is move flavor?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he was looking it up on his phone as we were leaving.
		And he's like, ooh, they say it has hints of tobacco.
		Not a good sign.
		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hints of tobacco.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		I don't know what liquid tobacco would taste like, but it was really more like a pungent gasoline coconut.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Gasolini coconut.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Coca-Cola move is better than Coca-Cola tar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I suppose that's, yeah, yeah, that makes more sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sheesh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, new from Coca-Cola Creations.
		Taste Coca-Cola Move.
		A celebration of transformation.
		The newest from Coca-Cola Creations was co-created with one of the most daring artists in music today.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who?
		What, what?
		Wait, wait, wait.
		Why would I give a shit what a music artist thinks about soda?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't say who either.
		It just says, is it move?
		Is that the band?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it the artist?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like an idiot now, but it doesn't say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Now I've looked on the page, and the page doesn't even say that.
		It just doesn't the most daring artist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I guess that's it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who would I call the most daring musical artist right now?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're not brave enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whoever you name isn't brave enough to be able to get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not brave Coca-Cola.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not brave enough to put their name on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it looks like it's Rosalia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Rosalia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're really, really good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who that is.
		I don't listen to a lot of music that isn't from 20 years ago.
		Yeah, that's fair.
		Old man applesauce over here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just sipping on your cottage cheese with the straw.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And complaining about various sodas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like these sodas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not like what I was y'all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These new wrangled sodas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I play them the kids.
unidentified		Rosalia and her brave daring sodas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Daring sodas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem I have right away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The way you keep saying Coca-Cola move.
		You know, you cannot, it doesn't roll off the tongue.
		Coca-Cola move.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And move doesn't either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a terrible name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		The cans look nice, though.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot is a daring musical artist.
		Oh, boy.
		No.
		Brandy Younger just released an album.
		And as everybody knows.
		Younger than who?
		Well, the other brandy.
		The brandy with only one name.
		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The boy is mine, Brandy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Brandy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Like everybody, I listen to a lot of jazz harp.
		And she happens to be a jazz harp virtuoso.
		And she's put out a jazz hip-hop fusion album featuring a shit ton of harp.
		It's great.
		It's fucking great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't say, you know, sometimes I'll say, check that out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, this is one that you should check out.
		Sometimes when I give you a recommendation and you're like, I'll check that out.
		And it's not for you.
		This one I actually think you would really like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's really just chill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just really chill.
		It's more like a groove than it is like bebop.
		It's more just a music.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I kind of would prefer that bebop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't like chill music because it makes me anxious.
unidentified		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why I don't like reggae.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is too chill.
		It's too chill.
		It's too chill.
		Well, there's a 4-4-time signature, so you'll still be all right.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		You'll still be able to jam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Yeah.
		I might.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying you should.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that it might be something that you would enjoy.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's called Brand New Life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Brand New Life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sounds good.
		So, Jordan, today we have got an episode to do.
		There's some avenues that were went down for this episode that have been fruitless.
		So, Project Camelot tinkering.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cul-de-sac.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then I got really, really excited about this.
		There's an episode of the Jim Baker show about the scourge of DMT.
		All the kids are doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I was watching it and I'm like, I don't know.
		This isn't worth covering.
		It's worth mentioning here, like this.
unidentified		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the episode itself isn't really worth covering.
		And Jim Baker wasn't like in the part that I was watching.
		His other people, like Mondo De La Vega, like the other team.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The zoo crew.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Complaining about all the kids doing DMT.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta, you're the episode has to back up the laugh of just knowing the episode existed.
		You know, like, if we're not going to do better, then Jim Baker's complaining about DMT.
		End of sentence, then no point.
		No point doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's where like the courts of heaven was really like that crossed that line.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Raised the bar beyond.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The reality of what he's talking about is funnier than the concept.
		Whereas the DMT is taking over the country, not really better than just the name.
		Nope.
		So we have an episode we're going to do where we're in the past.
		We're going to talk about February 4th, 2004.
		And there's an important reason.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because we get an interesting guest here today and want to look into this a little bit, analyze it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it the Dershowitz?
		Has Dersh showed up in the present and the past simultaneously?
		Are you a witch?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, not that much of a witch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is someone who is related to a famous person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Our favorite, our sweet spot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, first, James, if you're listening, it's Nat.
		It'll be okay one day at a time.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That one is not.
		That is a recent one because I saw that come in and I was like, maybe this is time.
		Maybe we need to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we'll just fuck this way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Next, it took me way too long to realize you're saying banned B-A-N-N-E-D and not banned B-A-N-D.video.
		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, oh, next.
		Happy birthday, Rachel.
		Now you're a wonk, unless you're already a wonk.
		In which case, congrats on being a double wonk.
		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Double wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Double wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Spartacus from Lazy Town.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hangoo.
		And I got Taylor Swift tickets and a hammer fetish.
		Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we got a couple of technocrates in the mix, Jordan.
		So, first, Super Trans Vitality.
		It's not just chemical castration.
		Thank you so much, you are an IO Technocrat.
		And uh-oh, it's December 16th, and Chad really just wanted to see how long a Technocrat shout out takes.
		Thank you so much.
		They're now a Technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
		I have risen above my enemies.
		I might quit tomorrow, actually.
		I'm just going to take a little break now.
		A little breaky for me.
		And then we're going to come back.
		And I'm going to start the show over.
		But I'm the devil.
		I got to be taking off here.
		I've been all this.
		Fuck you.
		Fuck you.
		I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
		Maybe today's going to be on this broadcast.
		Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
		Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
		That's really what I want to do.
		I never want to come back here again.
		I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
		I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nah, he's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that gives you some idea.
		Go ahead and backlog.
		Got a backlog.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like the idea now of us selling ad space, right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But instead, only doing it in the same slot as like a technocrat drop whenever we get to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It'll be a while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It'll be a while, but we'll sell you that spot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If y'all, if anybody wants to expedite a shout out for any particular reason, they can email knowledgefight at gmail.com.
		And that will be able to help.
		Otherwise, it's just that inboxism.
		The other inbox is a mess, and not much I can do about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we try and mix up with the, you know, everybody who's been there deserves it.
		They get their space.
		And if you need it sooner, then we can we'll accommodate.
		We're accommodating people.
		We're not bad people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that way you can also just like you don't even have to donate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you want to shout out, you can just con Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		100% could.
		Somebody was like, oh, yeah.
		They sent proof, and I was like, no, I don't even want that.
		I don't want that in my mind.
		You just say you are.
		I believe you are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are bad at this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we start off the episode here on February 4th, and we immediately hear about who's on the docket.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hello, my friends.
		It is Wednesday, the 4th of February, 2004.
		And my goodness, you've tuned into a very important show today.
		We have the father of Mel Gibson, expert on the New World Order, joining us in the second hour, Hutton Gibson, to talk about, well, a speech he gave a few weeks ago to the American Free Press about secession from the Union, the national draft, what's happening in Iraq, the New World Order, and much more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty sweet.
unidentified		Is there a reason that anybody should be talking to his dad other than that he's Mel Gibson's head?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Passion of the Christ is coming out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Mel Gibson would never come on Alex's show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Although, I mean, today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've said that about yay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've gone back and forth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So who knows?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think that Alex couldn't get Mel Gibson, but he could get dad.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there we go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've talked about this before, but Hutton Gibson is a very explicit anti-Semite, and Alex has no excuse not to know that.
		He's been pretty public about not only his belief that the Holocaust was, quote, maybe not all fiction, but most, but also that he believes that the Jews are behind the plot to bring in a one-world government.
		So when Alex interviews him, pretending he's an expert on the New World Order and all that shit, it's important to remember that whether or not he's explicit about it on air, everything Hutton is saying is an allegation of an anti-Jewish conspiracy.
		There are really only two options about this.
		Either Alex knows this and agrees with Hutton, or he doesn't care that he's helping spread really vicious anti-Semitism because he's being allowed to talk to a celebrity's dad, and that's pretty exciting for him.
		It's worth noting that the American Free Press is a white supremacist Holocaust denying rag run by Willis Cardo, but that the speech Hutton gave wasn't to them.
		Alex is saying that because he doesn't really know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They just reported on the speech.
		Okay.
		The actual speech was at the We the People conference, which was full of sovereign citizens and a bunch of other varieties of bigot.
		The editor of the Council of Conservative Citizens also spoke, which you may remember was the outlet that published fraudulent race crime statistics, which were the impetus for Dylan Roof's racist mass murder.
		Yeah.
		So all in the mix.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just a real melange of awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I couldn't find the text or video of his speech, but I did find a write-up about the event.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And apparently, people were chanting Hutton for president.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great, great.
unidentified		Gregory, Lindbergh, Lindbergh, Lindbergh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If Lindbergh was more hateful.
		So there's another guest on this episode.
		It isn't just neo-Nazi celebrity dad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's another guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have the former Secretary of Defense, and of course, up until about a year ago, he was also the head of German technology, the technology minister, one of the top positions in Germany, joining us as you'll go over the evidence of the U.S. government carrying out September 11th.
		You see, anybody with a brain knows this, and more and more people worldwide are saying the world is round, not flat.
		And again, we are the Magellans of the 21st century.
		We tell the truth.
		We face the facts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, Alex has Andreas von Bulow coming on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the greatness of the Magellan comparison because he does not know that Magellan died before he ever actually completed that trip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it was actually a person of color who did successfully go around the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think Alex makes that metaphor twice on this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Smart, smart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's pretty interesting booking that Alex has someone who's actually in the German government coming onto the show, but he's doing a lot of exaggerating with this resume.
		Von Bulow was the Minister for Research and Technology from 1980 to 1982.
		And previous to that, he'd been the parliamentary state secretary in the Ministry of Defense from 1976 to 1980.
		That's not the equivalent of our Secretary of Defense, which is what Alex says.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is a high-ranking position.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a Minister of Defense, and then there are two parliamentary state secretaries beneath them.
		And Von Bulow is one of them.
		He's also not been in government up to approximately a year before this, as Alex is saying.
		He's like, oh, he's just got out of government.
		It had been almost a decade since he left the Bundestag in 1994.
		Alex wants to make it appear that he was in government way more recently because it's important to create the image that he was in an official position around the time of 9-11 so his claims have more authority.
		In reality, he just wrote a book called The CIA on September 11th, which is kind of shit.
		It's more or less a compilation of the kind of unsourced rumors and theories that fly around on Alex's show, which Von Bulow then insists that the U.S. government has a responsibility to disprove.
		The burden of proof is on them from the things that I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was a little bit mystified by the credits, the CV that we were given up top, because in my mind, a recent former German defense minister showing up on Infowars to claim that the United States did 9-11, that's going to be a newsworthy event.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be, were it what happened?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be something that goes on TV.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and get this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're not even going to listen to any of his interviews because it is so boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is really just like them ping-ponging back weird trivia about 9-11 conspiracies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it's just a fact off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's all the same shit.
		It's all the stuff that's just in blogs.
		Von Bulow doesn't have some kind of like, well, the German government has these documents that I'm bringing to the front.
		He doesn't have any information.
		He just read some dumb blogs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And here's the thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing that this helps us remember.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just because you have a great resume doesn't mean you're bringing a lot to the table.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because think about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like somebody five years from now or whatever on some foreign radio show could have Ted Cruz on.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he has a legitimate, quite impressive government resume if you're just looking at the facts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And he's also batshit insane.
		Right.
unidentified		How do you know Andreas Von Bulow isn't the same thing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, it does feel like sometimes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Steve Pieczenik was in the government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, but that's the problem.
		It feels all too often like we need a better way to avoid saying hindsight is 2020.
		You know, like, oh, we just hire people like Steve Pieczenik.
		You know, like, no, we got to have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But every place does that.
		Sure.
		Every office will have some misfires with employment and the people they hire.
		Same thing at any retail outlet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get some weirdo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fair, but nobody working at the gap has killed Aldo Moro.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't know that?
		Do they have any gaps in Italy?
		Were members of the Red Brigade?
		Were they employees of the Gap?
		They fall into.
unidentified		The Blue Gappe was the original.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't in the documentary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex takes some calls because he's got to fill some time.
		Sure.
		And he gets a call from a guy, and I thought he had a really interesting question, and that is, what is the military-industrial complex?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is an interesting question, especially for someone like Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You should have a good answer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Basically, what is the military-industrial complex?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thanks for the call.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question, Bob.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet we answer it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The military-industrial complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower talked about in his farewell address of 1960.
		In his farewell address, he talked about how the corporations that had grown up through World War II and the Korean War, through the funding, through the hundreds of millions of dollars of funding, had taken over almost all of the programs, research programs, universities had bought up most of the private inventions and inventors and laboratories, and that they had centralized it,
		control of the brain trust of Western civilization in just a handful of companies.
		And he said that that stifled competition.
		He said that that centralized power, and that because they now own the universities and because the military-industrial complex was buying up ABC and CBS and NBC, which was happening right at that time, they were going to control all the information, all the technology, and that it was, and by the way, we've aired the speech here before, that it was a foregone conclusion that martial law would be set up because throughout history,
		when military industrial complexes, which they had in Germany and England, got big enough, they would always take total control.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So have you ever listened to that whole speech or read it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know, like some of the hits.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got the idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All of that that Alex said is made up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes more sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
		And absolutely is not what Eisenhower was saying in his farewell address.
		Some of it is just fabricated from thin air, and some of it is just flagrant misrepresentations of things that Eisenhower did say.
		One of the more basic misrepresentations Alex is making is that he's combining two things that Eisenhower was presenting as two separate thoughts.
		Alex is combining them into one.
		Okay, okay.
		There's concerns about the military-industrial complex, and then there's concerns about inventors.
		They're separate.
		Okay.
		Eisenhower brings up that there are new threats and stressors that risk throwing the country out of balance and says, quote, threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise.
		I mentioned two only.
		Then he brings up the two, which are the military-industrial complex and the way that innovation and technological advancement have become heavily reliant on funding from government programs.
		These are two separate things that Alex has turned into one, which is not supported by the text.
		According to Eisenhower, the military industrial complex is the state of affairs we found ourselves in where the United States had a, quote, permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.
		It's the product of being aware that we need to have weapons ready when the next war breaks out and the industry that makes that possible, the combining of the two and the influence that is gained from it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I mean, it's not a long leap to go, okay, this company makes bullets.
		They make their money from bullets.
		It is in their best interest for more bullets to be needed.
		If that's the case, then maybe their advice on foreign policy isn't going to be the best.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't even get that clear, but you can see shades of that for sure.
		He doesn't talk about the military-industrial complex buying up the media.
		He doesn't say that we're heading to martial law.
		He doesn't even say that these other countries like Germany and England had military-industrial complexes that led them to martial law.
		All that is just stuff Alex has projected onto the text because it fits into the larger conspiracy that he wants to push.
		It's important to constantly be reminded of this dynamic: the way that Alex abuses primary sources and how little foundation there is for his most basic concepts.
		It's really a house built on sand, but the sand is Alex's imaginary sand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So it's even worse.
		I mean, it is like he's like he's mistaking crossing the Rubicon for the military-industrial complex.
		Like Caesar owned sword theon and had to increase production of swords.
		So then, you know, the standing army.
		And then finally, he was just like, fuck it.
		I got to take over this whole sword manufacturing operation.
		And then he becomes Caesar.
		That's how it worked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, the real problem was that he couldn't get a job at the gap.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why he's a good guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He'll got me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, I just think it's interesting that you have these things that are really foundational and bottom of the base, the Keystone type ideas, like the military-industrial complex.
		That should be something that Alex gets a call.
		Like, what is it?
		And he's able to give a concise answer instead of rambling basically lies about Eisenhower's speech.
		That shouldn't be necessary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I feel, you know, it is like, it's so much the secret to being able to lie about everything is if you don't know the actual fundamental problems, you know, who cares if you're making up bullshit like three or four steps down the road, dude doesn't even know what the military industrial complex is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe he does, but he knows that the answer doesn't serve his larger conspiracy in the way that like the bluffing of it would.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Basically, I think he'd probably be a pretty interesting improviser if he wasn't such a malicious shithead.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then again, a lot of bad improvisers are malicious shitheads.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, most improvisers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could do solo improv.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can do solo improv, and Alex could do it.
		He would be entertaining because we know that because that is his show.
		It's a solo improv show for about three hours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the suggestion is always hate with anger.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's no good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for a different person to hate from the crowd.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, let me ask you a question.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What year did you graduate from high school?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		2005.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's after this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is after this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is 2004.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was 17.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, I dropped out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I was 16.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would have graduated in 2002.
		Ah.
		So I predate this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This warning that Alex has about what's going to happen with high school graduates.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And people who are on their way to graduation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So I am at risk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, you lived through this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You lived through this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't you remember?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just catching up my memory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Listen to what happened to you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now, the New York Times reported the feds, if your child's going to graduate from high school, will have to serve their last two years upwards of 10 hours a week at a homeland security computer.
unidentified		And you're paid for by the government.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Your child will have to sit there and watch surveillance cameras around the country and report to police what they see.
		And quote, in case your child gets lazy, the government is going to superimpose fake terrorists so clear they can randomly insert fake video like the running man.
		And then your child, and old folks will have to do this too, as part of the new national draft, but it says to start out the high schools, will have to call the police.
		And let's say you're in Texas.
		You'll be tattling on somebody in New Jersey, crime, terrorism, everything, just terrorism and crime.
		And to make sure your child's on their toes, you're a young person, they'll hit the button to a larger committee.
		They'll look at the images, hit the command of the police.
		The police will have a code number and go, no, this was just a drill.
		And that's so sophisticated.
		I could talk for an hour about what that means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you could.
		Solo improv style.
		But yeah, that must have been tough.
		How was it when you had to do those 10 hours a week at the homeland security computer that was installed in your home?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever get tricked by these fake terrorist attacks that they superimposed on there to make sure you weren't being lazy?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My codes weren't very great.
		Here's the problem.
		All right.
		Here's the problem with an old person, or at this time.
		No, he's only in his early 20s.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no.
		I think, what, 2004 would have been.
		So he's 10 years older than me.
		Yeah, he would have been in his late 20s.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would have been in his late 20s, right?
		So people weren't as internet sophisticated at that time.
		Like, my generation was just at the end of the generation that was born with computers, you know?
		If at that time the government had installed a computer in every teenage boy's home, they would have created a race of super masturbators that could last for 10 hours a day.
		No, like that's insane how stupid that is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not connected to that internet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's connected to the internet portal of security cameras all over the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Listen, people at the SEC are watching porn all the time.
		I don't know.
		I don't fucking know.
		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think, first of all, cost prohibitive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's definitely cost prohibitive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is so silly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The logistics of it are impossible to imagine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is funny to imagine being in 2004, being one of Alex's listeners and being like, I will never allow all those computers in the home.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So, but okay, so who comes in to install it?
		Is it the G-Men?
		Is it like the FBI from the 1960?
		Like, excuse me.
		Come on.
		Yeah, we're here to install your government computers.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And you're going to go to the clink if you tamper with this computer at all.
		It says government property.
		It's like a mailbox.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you shouldn't have given government property to a 16-year-old boy.
		I'll just throw that out at you.
		If it breaks, it's on you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to Juvie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And don't masturbate on it.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Okay.
		So after this happens, after the G-Men come and install your computer, hook up a landline, do the whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because back then it wouldn't have been like wireless.
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would have been plugged in.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what you would have heard all day ever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You would need a dedicated phone line in each person's house or else their phone wouldn't work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Their phone wouldn't work.
		Yeah.
		The internet of the past was wild, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was that?
		I don't know.
		That seems like right on the line.
		Because I feel like that was definitely the case when I was like 16, 17.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I feel like it might have gotten a little bit better by 2004.
		Maybe not.
		I don't know.
		It's hard to figure out when those lines were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't remember.
		I want to say that dial-up had passed.
		I want to say that we were fully connected wire, like not dial-up.
		But I could be wrong.
		I could be wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Either way, this is dumb.
		And it's just delightful.
		I like it.
		I like these kinds of things on Alex's show when he's describing these, like, what's going to happen.
		20 years later, looking back, like, that's so stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's something to be said about his prompts for imagination.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're scary.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sort of.
		So anyway, Alex gets another call.
		And this guy, I guess he blew his friend's mind with a little fact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk to Larry in Iowa.
		Hello, Alex.
		Good to talk to you, Larry.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm trying to wake up a few people and just have conversations.
		And I think one of the best ways is.
		Let me preface what I'm saying by saying that I have nothing against Mexicans.
		Cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't have said that.
unidentified		My half-mother is, you know, half-Mexican.
unidentified		But this is something that affects...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We don't talk about that at all.
unidentified		Everybody, because it's, you know, right, you know, they're around us, you know, in our communities.
		And this guy did not believe that there's a Social Security office in Mexico City.
		And, you know, I was trying to tell him about the eventual Pan-American Union.
		And this is one of the facts that are one of the building blocks to that eventuality.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's public.
unidentified		And I'm a little nervous there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So he denied that, of course.
unidentified		Well, he wanted proof, which is, you know, encouraging, you know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you go to a search engine and you type in Mexicans to be paid social security in Mexico, and about 550-minute articles will pop up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There aren't any Social Security Administration offices outside the U.S.
		However, there are many U.S. citizens who are entitled to Social Security benefits who live outside of the United States.
		So there is a need to accommodate these people who live abroad.
		That's why at many U.S. embassies, there's a federal benefits unit, which houses the Office of Earnings and International Operations.
		There are actually three such offices in Mexico: two in consulates and one at the embassy.
		This has nothing to do with giving non-U.S. citizens benefits, but it has the air of being just suspicious enough that presented with no context, or even better, presented with fake context, it could convince people like this caller that there's something nefarious going on.
		It's really sad how uncurious these Infowars listeners are, all while considering themselves the real truth seekers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, ask yourself for a second, why would there need to be people who have some involvement with Social Security in foreign countries at, say, an embassy?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
		Why would that be necessary?
		Obviously, American citizens live outside the United States.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say anything because I was waiting for it to be true or not true because I don't know.
		But when he said, did you know there's social security offices in Mexico City?
		I was like, yeah, of course there are.
		U.S. citizens live everywhere, and they also still get U.S. citizen stuff.
		And even if you're not, even if you're applying to be a citizen, and why not go there?
		I mean, it makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's all kinds of services for citizens at embassies and such.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's an important part of being able to be in other countries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's the point of an embassy if it doesn't do the things that you would need it to do?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know exactly how other countries, their exact, you know, governmental structure is.
		But I would assume that some of those things are available at other countries' embassies within the United States, too.
		So, like, I don't know.
		This is all just really stupid.
		And I think that is indicative of laziness on the part, lazy thinking, not asking the second question if there is this embassy there or this Social Security thing there.
		Sure.
		Why is that?
		Because you ask yourself that question, and then immediately you have conspiracy theorists running in with the answer, and that is because they're trying to turn the United States and Canada and Mexico into the same countries where they can give Mexican people social security.
		Right.
		And then you accept that as an answer because you're lazy.
		And you don't want to think through the second question of like, it's just because there are people who live abroad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, my mind goes like this, right?
		So Social Security offices in the U.S. and other countries, right?
		People need benefits there.
		Now I think, okay, if other countries do that, who has the best benefits?
		And now I'm thinking we should knock over the Finnish embassy.
		All right.
		See, they've got to be keeping shit tons of cash in there.
		Everybody knows that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look out, Finland.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're coming for your embassies, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I just think it's, I think it's laziness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that makes this ironic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		I would suggest that you not cast your pearls before swine.
		I would move on.
		I've got a stinging suspicion.
		You can give that guy all the news articles you want.
		He'll come up with new excuses to be lazy.
		Yeah.
		Good propaganda just placed our own laziness.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You said it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are very correct, Alex.
unidentified		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that is the reason you have a career.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That is.
		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is cynical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he is ever put into prison, that should be on a loop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He should have to listen to that on a loop over and over and over again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Good propaganda is predatory upon people's laziness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You jerk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now we get to Hutton Gibson showing up.
		I got to say, these dudes have no chemistry.
		It's tough to listen to because he's like an 80-something-year-old racist.
		And I think that he knows enough.
		Like, he's friends with Alex, at least, like, they've talked a couple times at least before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think that there's an awareness that you can't yell about the Jews on his show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's going to play poorly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's an illusion that we're trying to maintain here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We got 20 years before we can just out and out, say, whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have to be yay famous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got to be yay famous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mel Gibson's dad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yay's dad isn't doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, you have to be the celebrity yourself if you want to talk about loving Hitler.
		You can't be a family member.
		But yeah, it's really tough because there's long pauses, kind of like jaunty back and forth.
		Not jaunty, back and forth.
		Staccato back and forth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just not good to listen to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Hutton wants to secede from the U.S.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		The thing here is that secession was treated by the founding fathers.
		They left it in there.
		The fact that it did not succeed in 1861-65 is merely a matter of who had more banks and who had more soldiers and more munitions.
unidentified		It was perfectly legal.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		And Lincoln at one time imprisoned the Maryland legislature so he couldn't secede.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great story, dude.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that the week before 9-11, New Hampshire and two other states had their counties and their select men preparing to withdraw from the union, the counties from the states under their Article 10, right to revolt in that particular state, and then suddenly the attacks took place and that didn't happen.
		Arizona almost passed a law.
		It passed committee to pull out of the union.
		If, quote, a new world order is declared or if gun confiscation begins, if the federal government goes bad, it is our right, it is our duty to pull out of the union.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to start with the selectmen.
		I mean, the omnibudsmans.
		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that right before 9-11, three states are going to secede and then the attack happened and it didn't go through?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that that was on the table.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know that that was a motive.
		Clearly, that's the reason you bring this up.
		That's why they did 9-11 in order to stop New Hampshire from seceding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
		Well, I mean, New Hampshire was going to secede in 1999, but then Y2K happened.
		Then they were picking it back up.
		Then 9-11 happened.
		They took a year off Iraq war happening.
		You know, you're saying that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Send the bank 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every time you try and secede, you just have to keep putting it off for a new emergency.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And as we all know, this is one truism from history.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		As go the New Hampshire selectmen, so goes the country.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So goes the country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The wisest elders of our country.
		They know everything.
		They're always on the right side of history.
		The selectmen of New Hampshire.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've always appreciated those dumb legality of secession arguments or whatever.
		At a certain point, if you have seceded, then laws are different now.
		There's no laws.
		Nobody has laws.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's rules that you can't assault somebody, but if they hit you, then it's time to throw hands.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a different country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've entered a different state of play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're at war between two countries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no legal or illegal here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's almost academic and for people to discuss later, like the legality of starting an internal civil war or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because in the moment, it's not going to matter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm suing Jefferson Davis to stop the war.
		God will do it.
		It's illegal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That'll catch them up in all kinds of costly litigation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They want to start the war, but they just, it's, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, you can say that there's more bankers and more guns and stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also public support.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I mean, if there are different countries' support.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If there are people who are like, you know, really into God's will and stuff like that, you might say that the fact that the union won might have been the message.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they had divine.
		I don't know.
		I don't think that, but it might be.
		It should be persuasive for them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, when we think about the Civil War, we always like to talk about, oh, us, you know, but I think a lot of the times we forget that one of the big things is the South didn't get many loans.
		They didn't get as many loans from foreign countries because there were slavers.
		Most people don't like to loan money to slavers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was another caller who brings up that everybody wants to say that the Civil War was about slavery, but it was about the South wanting to determine their own future.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just to own slaves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm listening.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, you've totally got that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've just rephrased this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex has looked into Hutton Gibson and he wants the audience to know that he's super credible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're talking to Hutton Gibson, who has been conscious of the new world order for 50 years.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you can see the effect of his knowledge, his information, which I've checked out and is extremely accurate, on his son and the fruits of his labor with brave heart and the patriot and now the passion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If Alex has checked out Hutton Gibson's stuff and he thinks it's all accurate, he's a Holocaust denier.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Full stop.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if he's not, then I would think that when you're presenting this, that Hutton Gibson's information is really, you know, solid.
		He knows what he's talking about.
		It's accurate.
		Except for the part where he says that the Holocaust was mostly fake.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would at the very least have to point that one out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is when you point that one out, all of a sudden I think about the rest of what he has to say and I go, I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a difficulty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's why Alex doesn't bring it up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It tends to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And because he wants to launder people like this to his audience.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		If I mean, normally you say, like, oh, look, follow my information.
		You can see the notes and shit.
		But if you're talking about Hutton Gibson being like, everything he says is accurate, if somebody follows up for two seconds, they're going to be like, oh, you're right.
		The Holocaust didn't happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're going to immediately find that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not pretty cagey about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, if Alex has looked into him at all, he knows this stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I guess that's just what he wants his audience to think is accurate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, he has a metaphorical swastika on his forehead.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex also wants secession, it turns out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		We're going to be talking today about secession from the Union, how it's a good thing, and I agree it needs to happen by as many states as possible because this is an illegitimate government in Washington.
		Then we'll get into the national draft and the war in Iraq and a little bit into the passion as well because Hutton has been blessed enough to see it months ago.
		And I can't wait till I get to see it in theaters in a few weeks when it opens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just don't understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand how you can live as an open secessionist for this long.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Move.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, pick it up.
		Either hurry it up or get out.
		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You think that this is an illegitimate government from 2004 onwards, obviously before that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So shut the fuck up with your opinions about the way things are going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Love it or leave it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean.
		I don't think you have to love it or leave it.
		No.
		But you have to secede or leave it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		You have to leave it or leave it.
		Leave it or shut up.
		Yeah.
		Here's the thing.
		I'm fine with secession.
		Fine, whatever.
		I don't have, I don't care about borders or any of that shit like that.
		But at no point in time has anybody given me any like, here's what we do after secession that isn't more insane than what we're doing now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you exactly what the idea is, essentially.
unidentified		Well, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can tell me what the idea they have of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that you break up the union and then states reconstitute their own government.
		Right.
		And essentially you'd want to end up with a smaller country that is a white nationalist state.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You basically just want the Confederacy to have succeeded.
		Right.
		That's what they're talking about when they talk about secession.
		Yeah.
		That's it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they want the South to rise again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yep.
		In order to create an environment where white interests are the only things that dictate policy, that dictate how society is ordered.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's why they don't talk about what happens next.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem, right?
		I feel like if we just, if we gave them, just cram them all into a small space.
		That's fine.
		Again, I'm fine with that.
		If everybody who wants a white nation wants to take a section of Texas near the Gulf of Mexico, I don't know why, but that seems like the right spot.
		Fucking put a big wall around that.
		We'll be fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I see some problems coming from that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can see that too.
		Yeah.
		As I'm saying this, I'm starting to see some issues here.
		Again, this is why secession doesn't work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not expected to have like fully thought-out things that you say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just started saying secession, and here we go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's give white nationalists part of Texas is where I go from secession.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Alex should have less secession on his mind and start watching succession.
		I've never seen an episode.
		I don't know if it's good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In the whole world, just that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What did you just do?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that that show?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it is.
		I just haven't heard you do a stop talking about secession.
		Start talking about succession.
		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
		I think Alex maybe has some thoughts about that show.
		Everyone on Twitter seems to.
		I've never seen an episode.
		I don't know what it's about.
		I don't know who's on it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex gives Hutton a little bit of a pump-up here.
		Okay.
		But he can only speak in cliché.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
		In the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared.
		In time, when his cause succeeds, attempt to join him because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
		And a real patriot for this republic is Hutton Gibson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a real patriot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was he reading off a quote book?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he got his improv suggestion was only speak in cliche.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, like, if you're listening to this, you would have to assume, like, Alex knows his stuff.
		If you like Alex, you would think that.
		And he thinks that Hutton Gibson is one of the great patriots in the United States.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One of the great patriots.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who's been on this tip for 50 years?
		So you go and you look him up and you're like, damn, I guess Alex really wants me to discover that the Jews are the problem.
		But he doesn't want to say it on air.
		Obviously, he doesn't want to ruin his career, get kicked off the air.
		He must actually believe that, but he keeps it real crypto.
		That's the conclusion you would come away from it if you took the second step and looked into what Hutton Gibson is about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		100%.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you'd also get the sense that Alex is really mad at the Catholic Church because that's the other stuff that Hutton Gibson gets into.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But not for the same reasons as you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, obviously.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's because they stopped hating Jews as well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the Vatican 2.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Vatican 2 was the way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's where it went all wrong.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you would discover, and you'd be like, hey, Alex thinks that's pretty fucking awesome.
		I guess this is what the show is actually about.
		Because it kind of is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that is such a two-step laundering that is so simple and effective.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, it happens daily.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's plausibly deniable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		Totally.
		I mean, it happens daily on so many different shows everywhere.
		Constantly.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Hutton is also apparently involved in some moves to help get the Bible back into schools.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Coca-Cola moves?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Although, he was a visionary artist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He died.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He died before Coca-Cola 2 came.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I can't pin it on him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Vatican 2, Coca-Cola 2.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's getting Coke.
		Not Coke.
		He's getting the Bible back into schools.
		So here's a little clip about that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, Hutton, before we go to these calls, you've been taking action for decades, and you've got a great newsletter.
		You've got a great documentary where you go into the corruption in the Catholic Church.
		You do such great work.
		And at the same time, Hutton, you're also involved with Pastor Butch Paw and others.
		30-plus states are already putting Bibles back in schools.
		How many people knew that?
		This great literary work, even though they say you can't have religion in the schools, they put Harry Potter and humanism in there, but they just put the Quran in there.
		They make the kids in California worship and the five pillars.
		That's mainstream news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mainstream news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Force your children in public schools to be to convert to Islam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm happy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's part of what happens with the government computer in your home.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It also suddenly teaches you Islam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Listen, everybody's fine with the Bibles being in schools.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is not the Bibles existing in a school that is the problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The problem is being available for people in a library.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've got like three Bibles.
		I've got two versions of the Koran.
		I've got the fucking Upanishads.
		I've got, yeah, you can have as many literary books as the Bagavakita.
		Yeah, go for it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was great to have access to a lot of that stuff, particularly in high school, because I was able to actually understand a lot more of what I was reading.
		But yeah, having those resources there is, I don't think anyone is opposed to, or even back in 2004.
		It's evangelizing and such.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the issue.
		I would be stoked to have any conversation that you have with somebody about religion in a school.
		You should have a Bible with you.
		I don't want people trying to give me off-the-dome quotes.
		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex tries that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't do that.
unidentified		It doesn't work well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the classes that I took in high school that I really loved was Classical Ideas and World Religion.
		It was a great class.
		Yeah.
		Great class.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Solid class.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I recommend people read holy books.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex, I think the word of the day is obsequious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is treating Hutton Gibson like a founding father.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thought you meant he was using it, and I was like, He's surprised.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's over the top.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just nonsense.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hutton, it shows what we can do if we're straight and strong and upright.
		And your life has really been a testament to that.
		You have done so much through your life to enrich our lives, and it's so exciting.
		We got a bunch of phone calls here, Hutton.
		Anything else you'd like to go over before we go to the calls?
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Just we have to do something about this government.
		And if it goes, the Supreme Court goes with it, the Congress goes with it, the executive department goes with it, the Treasury, everybody else.
		The whole thing goes.
		We don't have to worry about them anymore.
		We set up separate.
		That's the way they started.
		And then gang together when they're out of the way.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you know, we have to dare to think like that.
		We have to make that decision and start pushing for it, setting up committees of correspondence in all 50 states to move to restore the Republic.
		Hutton, in the past.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no response.
		It's just like hanging sentences.
		It's just the vibe is not good.
		It's tired.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hutton, you've enriched our lives so much.
		You've made me feel like the Holocaust didn't happen.
		Mel Gibson was in a couple good movies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really like Braveheart.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Freedom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That really is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Lethal weapon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
		Yeah, he was good.
		He was crazy.
		He was like, oh, I'll jump with you.
		Ah, you know, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Daddy's home.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't he in that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		Mel Gibson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't he?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that was a recent one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, look, was he in succession?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He might be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He might as well be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you have one last clip because, like I told you, Andreas Von Bulo's interview is a zero.
		Yeah.
		I mean, it's remarkable to me the way that you have something that on paper is big.
		Much like with the Jim Baker episode about DMT.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just the headline of it, pretty interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The reality of it not so great.
		So you have a guy who was in the German government coming on.
		Headline is great.
		The reality of it stinks.
		And there's nothing to really be gained from listening to it except for that it happened, I guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's disappointing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think he probably comes back, so maybe a later interview will happen and we'll get maybe some more meat or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we talking accent?
		What's kind of German accent?
		Like heavy German accent?
		Quite.
		Okay, interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quite.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How does Alex handle that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not as disruptive as it could be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that where he learns his future Soros accent from?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Although one caller in this episode did talk about going to me, Judge Soros.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling it the info.
unidentified		Alex, is your refrigerator running?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the root of the Soros.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Soros Brent called him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Soros Brent called him in 2003.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was a caller who brought up that he was at like a meeting of the Sun Microsystems people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And as we know, Alex has a big lie about Bill Joy, the head of Sun Microsystems, and his article, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I'm getting a feeling that maybe this caller is part of what Alex builds into that conspiracy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it didn't really have much overlap.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just that he was at a Sun Microsystem meeting and they were talking about microchips.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Putting them into fish.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It does not have as much overlap with the why the future doesn't need us conspiracy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, then those fish didn't even have human eyes yet.
		They were not sad.
		They were happy fish eyes.
		They hadn't turned into sad human eyes yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we got one last clip, and it's a caller who they're having a great time with, and then it turns bad for me, but it doesn't for them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk to Clinton, Missouri.
		Clinton, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		I'd just like to echo what your last caller said.
		Yes, go back to Lincoln and also recognize that Hamilton and Clay also want to decentralize government banking and whatnot.
		Lincoln's the only one that got accomplished because he did it by the barrel of a gun.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, they tried to assassinate Andrew Jackson seven times, the British banks did, didn't they, Hutton?
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		I never heard seven.
hutton gibson ▲ ● ▼		They got him once, usually.
unidentified		But I'd also like to add that the only way this government will be fixed, if you will, is your right by secession, and that must start with state sovereignty.
unidentified		Could I give you my organization's website?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		Plug away.
		That's what we do.
unidentified		Okay, it's League of the South.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		www.dixinet.org.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		And read about secession.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you for the call.
		I appreciate it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The League of the South is a group that is interested in redoing the Civil War and having the South secede.
		However, they're also interested in creating a white nationalist state out of what happens after secession.
		They're a widely recognized hate group, and for a short while, they were included in the incorporation that was known as the Nationalist Front.
		This was a group that also included the Klan and the outright Nazis Vanguard America.
		The Nationalist Front was an attempt to bring all these scattered white supremacist groups who were pushing for an ethno state together so they could be under one banner and get more work done.
		Unsurprisingly, that all happened just after Trump got elected, and they were the most biggest thing that you probably have known their work from is the White Lives Matter type messaging that people were so thrilled about.
		Typically, they've been more of a white supremacist/slash segregationist group, but they also dabble quite a bit in anti-Semitism.
		In 2018, their founder, Michael Hill, posted this on social media: quote, the Jews' claws are sunk too deeply in the United States for her to survive in her present form.
		We must have an independent South to rid our part of the earth of this pestilence.
		There must be no Jew influence on our new nation state.
		That is the foundational concern that must be taken care of before anything else.
		This independent South will once again be a white man's land.
		Sure, sure.
		This is a group that Alex is letting his caller promote with no pushback at all.
		This is what Alex promotes.
		By having Hutton Gibson on and saying that he's accurate about everything, Alex is begging his audience to go find out what Hutton says, which will then be read with the listener knowing that what they're reading has Alex's stamp of approval.
		It's legitimately impossible to go back to this period of time on Alex's show and not recognize that he's pushing his audience toward a very extreme sort of ideology and ideologues.
		And I personally don't think it's an accident.
		You can't convince me that Alex doesn't know what the League of the South is.
		He loves secession, and he's bragged in the past about being Confederate royalty.
		He knows who this group is, and he's fine with promoting it.
		He doesn't jump in and say something like, hey, secession's fine, but those people are racists and Nazis.
		Or if he wants to keep on pretending that right-wing racists and Nazis don't exist, he can just say that they're secretly feds or something like that.
		It's so easy.
		He doesn't do that because he's into his audience joining the League of the South because the League of the South pursues the state of affairs in the world that Alex wants to come into being.
		It's just kind of that simple.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the dumb part, the dumbest part, the overwhelmingly stupid part of this idea of secession and so on and so forth, is that the reason that the South was able to secede and do what they did was because they had free labor from slavery.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If we had a white nationalist movement secession or whatever right now, and they got their own little country or whatever, they would rapidly discover that most of our lives are built on the backs of everybody but white people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even beyond that, I mean, I agree.
		There's an element of that.
		And then beyond that, well, I mean, I think that they would still find a way to try and enslave people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, that's the problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, I think even if they recognize the reality of what you're talking about, they'd find workarounds, as it were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The other thing is, like, even just broader picture, they'd very quickly realize that there are trade embargoes that would probably happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No one is probably going to want to get involved with the export-import partners with the white nationalist breakaway state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think it's American Rhodesia and then Brexiteers and the end.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, American Rhodesia, Brexiteers, and Russia could probably form a new bricks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think they might not even want to get involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just, it's, from a functional standpoint like that, it's just silly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is absurd.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the silliness is also, you know, not to be obscuring the hatefulness and the severe shitheadery that's behind this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that Alex is like, it's almost impossible to look at the behaviors that are demonstrated on this episode and not draw the conclusion that Alex is hoping that his audience will look into the League of the South and learn more about them.
		Look into Hutton Gibson, learn more about his anti-Semitism and internalize these things.
		And that sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's like this and he's always been like this.
unidentified		Yeah, and you know, it's just that it fucking works.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It fucking worked.
		You know, like you, it's not a, obviously it's not a direct path and obviously it's not him by himself.
		But it is that concept of like, here's what you could do in the early 2000s.
		You could put a full-blown Nazi on your show and you can be like, as long as we don't say the shit that is Nazi shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And as long as you're not aesthetically a Nazi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Then you see that ball, that snowball rolls downhill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But we are at the big snowball.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, why can't a Nazi talk about secession on the radio freely?
		He's not talking about his Nazi things.
		Now, granted, the reason that he wants to secede is that he believes that the Jews are trying to make a one-world government and have their claws in the U.S. government.
		So I guess it is kind of behind every single thing that he says, even if it isn't over.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say maybe motive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Motive is something that we should consider in whether or not somebody succeeding from the union is on the up and up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be helpful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It would be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we got a little bit of a shorter episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I blame Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is his fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Once again, so many things come back to Jim Baker.
		Yeah, his fault.
		I spent too much time watching that DMT episode.
		And I had a bit of therapy yesterday.
		Yeah.
		Therapy and then also psychiatrist appointment.
		So limited my time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We got three this week.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but I mean, this is just Hutton Gibson.
		We're not even listening to Andreas von Bula.
		Granted, if I had all the time in the world, I still wouldn't cover that Andreas Von Bulow interview.
		If everything was going my way, if I had a machine that stopped time and gave me all the time to prepare an episode ever, Von Bulo is still getting left out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If your therapist was like, the only way for me to treat you is if you listen to this Von Bulo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, listening to it, it's fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I did listen to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm just not covering it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm covering it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, never mind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If that was payment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a new therapist.
unidentified		Couldn't do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Deal breaker.
		So we'll be back, Jordan, on Monday with another episode.
		But I had an idea.
		I thought about this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you thinking?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I actually haven't pitched this to you yet, even.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this is fresh, exciting on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right on the air, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking maybe starting on episode 800, I'm going to start using social media.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've been down this road before.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have we?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we tried the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You tried the Instagram for a good week and a half.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't remember to take pictures of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That one's tough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also, here's the problem.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not a poster, Dan.
		You're not a shit poster.
		What would you do on social media?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but see, I wanted to take pictures of these books of the library and stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then I'm seeing some of the titles of these books and some of the pictures on them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to post this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The speed is just a series of Nazi books.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, out of context, this looks terrible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan advertising for all the Naziest Nazi books that you can have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's completely self-crippling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is, that is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no way to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's an unfortunate side effect.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, yeah, I don't know.
		Fine.
		I'm not going to start posting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not telling you not to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With a sullen day on my own.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we do at salejfight.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Might start posting there afterwards.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Might do it.
		Might do it right away.
		Right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll find out.
		But until then, I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZX Clark.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, woo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Forgot to scat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now here comes the sex robots.
		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
		Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
		I love your work.

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