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April 12, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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#795: April 4-5, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex covered Trump getting arrested.  As it turns out, Alex got really transphobic, attacked the Manhattan DA's office, and then bored himself by listening to Trump's speech.

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alex jones
16:31
d
dan friesen
45:37
j
jordan holmes
21:10
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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andy in kansas
00:02
baldy in newyork
00:07
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Rattler.
I need money.
Rattler.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is I'm getting over.
unidentified
My knees are right there with you, buddy.
dan friesen
So, here's why.
I have taken quite a love recently for a couple things that I feel are old people food.
jordan holmes
Gardening?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, because you already had that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I did.
And I'll get back to that.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Once I have a little more space.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm trying to...
dan friesen
I still have a passion for gardening.
So that makes me old.
But also...
Applesauce.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And cottage cheese.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
You're eating...
dan friesen
I found that I enjoy both quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I feel like those are not foods of the youth.
Well, actually, applesauce is for the really young.
jordan holmes
The real youth.
dan friesen
But then there's a big gap.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then older people.
jordan holmes
Right back at it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's pretty shocking to me.
I was sitting there eating some applesauce.
I was like, this is a fucking apple.
How about this?
jordan holmes
I don't...
Here's the problem I have.
I don't understand foods that are in between eating and drinking.
I just don't appreciate it.
I don't appreciate the feeling of like, am I supposed to chomp on this?
And then I swallow it.
dan friesen
See, what's nice is it gives you options.
You could drink or eat it.
jordan holmes
I'm not considered...
dan friesen
What do you think about a milkshake?
jordan holmes
What do I think about a milkshake?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a different consistency than cottage cheese.
dan friesen
Well, you're not going to drink cottage cheese.
jordan holmes
Well, obviously.
dan friesen
Spoon it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it feels similar.
I'm talking about with applesauce.
jordan holmes
With applesauce.
Applesauce and a milkshake.
dan friesen
That's like a milkshake, but an apple.
jordan holmes
Can you...
Can you...
You can...
Drink applesauce through a straw?
dan friesen
You could if you wanted to.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you have to believe in yourself?
Yes.
It's probably pretty hard.
dan friesen
Here's what cottage cheese is kind of like a drink.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Boba tea.
It's kind of like boba.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like the balls.
jordan holmes
Put some chia seeds in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is the return of regular-ass Taskmaster.
dan friesen
Yeah, the UK version.
jordan holmes
Starring Greg Davies.
Sure.
And I figured it out.
I feel like I figured out why it is that the UK version is better than the others.
Greg Davies used to be a real-life teacher.
I think the fact that he spent time teaching children gave him the ability to treat these adult comedians, which are essentially the same thing, as a certain type of dismissive.
Such as, like, the type of dismissive that they barely even argue against, because it's like the teacher saying that you did wrong.
dan friesen
Well, you got me there.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Comedians are all ingrained inside to be like, teachers are...
alex jones
Hmm.
jordan holmes
I think that's it.
dan friesen
That's an interesting...
jordan holmes
That's my theory.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's an interesting possibility.
You may be right.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think they just have a system of how they cast it, and that is basically what makes it work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's unbeatable.
dan friesen
Netflix have a good dynamic of aloofness and abuse.
jordan holmes
Totally.
100%.
dan friesen
And then there is essentially a system, I think, you can see over time.
There's one person who's insane, essentially, or is the butt of insane jokes.
This person's going to do things wrong all the time.
You have somebody who's a little bit of a, what would it be, a little posh.
Because it's British, I would say that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
A little bit posh, at least.
jordan holmes
A puppy dog also.
A posh puppy dog works best.
dan friesen
Not always the same.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But trying to be like, oh, I'll do anything you say, Taskmaster.
dan friesen
Some old person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
One old person who is possibly on the open mic scene with Greg Davis.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
Or something.
Or even older than him that can get some old person jokes in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then at least one young person who's out of touch with the adult set.
But it works.
jordan holmes
It always works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It always works.
Yep.
dan friesen
Because all those different minds figure out how to do tasks differently.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And they always combine different backgrounds.
You know, there's people of color, but from everywhere, there's no like, oh, it has to be...
There's women.
It doesn't have to be an exact formula.
It's just...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just, let's find the people who fit these slots.
dan friesen
But we've got a Canadian on this season.
jordan holmes
Oh, we do.
dan friesen
With Mae Martin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the...
The young person.
The young Canadian.
dan friesen
No less.
jordan holmes
They're still part of the royal family.
dan friesen
I get you.
But you have Australia.
They have their own.
And New Zealand has their own.
jordan holmes
Canada can't get one.
dan friesen
No.
Not enough comedians.
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to move up there to start my own taskmaster.
dan friesen
That's why you're thinking about Toronto?
jordan holmes
There's an opening in the market.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Hey, you're not wrong.
I think that would be offensive to the queen.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
Or king now.
jordan holmes
That doesn't count.
I think that doesn't count.
dan friesen
We got a king.
jordan holmes
I feel like we all should have been like, the queen, that's the last queen.
That's the last royal.
She was great at it.
She got to do all the evil shit.
dan friesen
She's done it forever.
jordan holmes
She did it forever.
dan friesen
Since it was like a respected, vaunted institution.
And now she presided over the steep decline of the importance of royalty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Listen, the bulls don't raise 23. The Bulls don't have anybody wearing 23 anymore.
dan friesen
So you retire the monarchy.
jordan holmes
You retire the monarchy.
You put a little banner up.
You're like, this was great.
dan friesen
You put a crown on the rafters.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Everybody wears a tiara for the day.
dan friesen
Not a terrible idea, but I do think that they also retired the numbers of Horace Grant.
True.
jordan holmes
Still great.
dan friesen
Luke Longley.
jordan holmes
Listen.
dan friesen
Did they retire Luke Longley?
They should have retired the numbers of everybody who was in that...
jordan holmes
I mean, the six-year...
Well, the two...
See, that's the problem, though.
The three and the three.
dan friesen
Yeah.
B.J. Armstrong, retired number.
First three.
jordan holmes
B.J. and Horace Grant, first three.
dan friesen
Bill Wennington.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Tony Kukoc.
dan friesen
Kukoc.
jordan holmes
Gotta get the Kukoc.
dan friesen
And, of course, Pippen.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Well, I mean, that was an unspoken need not to say that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Who else was in that team?
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Steve Kerr?
Was he around?
unidentified
Steve Kerr!
jordan holmes
Steve Kerr was crucial to winning the 96 series against Utah Jazz or something.
I can't remember which one it was.
dan friesen
I think I've topped out all of my people who are on the 96 Bulls.
jordan holmes
Did we say Jordan?
dan friesen
95 Bulls.
No, he wasn't there.
jordan holmes
I don't think we said that.
dan friesen
No, it's a figment of your imagination.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have a present day episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about Alex talking about Trump getting arrested.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why we did a lot of preamble.
dan friesen
Putting my fingers in the air like, boop, boop, boop.
jordan holmes
You warned us last time.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
So, we're going to be talking about April 4th and 5th because Trump gets arrested on the 4th.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it actually is later than when Alex is on air.
Right.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
He's not on air as it happens, but everyone's pretty much aware that Trump is taking off from Florida and heading to turn himself in, as it were.
So, let's do a little bit of the fourth, but mostly focus on the fifth.
Because then Alex can actually talk about what happened.
jordan holmes
And get into it.
dan friesen
And because the fourth is a toxic wasteland of transphobia.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
That is almost to the point where I feel like...
If it were more grotesque, I think I probably wouldn't play it.
But I'm going to play some of this, and fair warning, it's not great.
It's pretty...
Pretty awful stuff.
But some of the things he says, I think, are beyond the pale in a way that's kind of new and worth commenting on.
jordan holmes
All right.
Judge Friesen says he'll allow it.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, don't waste my time, the girl boss.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
Now, before I hit the button on this, I should say that this is a person who wished someone a happy birthday last year.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
I think we did give that happy birthday shoutout.
jordan holmes
But we didn't give this shoutout.
dan friesen
No, no.
I think we gave it last year.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I think that the person who asked for the shoutout didn't hear it and thinks that we didn't.
I think that's the case.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But in case we didn't, this is a person who had a birthday on April 7th, so also happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday.
dan friesen
And I think we did it last year.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
You know what?
You get two then.
jordan holmes
You get two.
dan friesen
And I don't mind.
Anyway, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
But that doesn't count for this year, okay?
We're not wishing you a happy birthday this year.
dan friesen
You're on your own.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So next, hey Maxine, hey Ferg, I did the thing.
Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, intergalactic spiritual contract law required the devil to tell me first that I was paying to be a wonk.
Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And maybe if Alex Jones stand Luna, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we got a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan.
So first, I witnessed Andy from Kansas have a psychedelic trip, and now I understand the secrets of space-time.
Also, I love her.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Milosis and the Claire Witch Project.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And they did include instructions on how to pronounce Milosis.
jordan holmes
Smart.
dan friesen
So thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
unidentified
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
alex jones
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
That milosis makes me think of...
Something in science class from high school.
jordan holmes
Yeah, mitosis.
dan friesen
And meiosis.
jordan holmes
Meiosis, oh, definitely.
dan friesen
There's meiosis and mitosis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Do you know how you keep them separated?
You don't know which one's which.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know which one's which.
Do you know what they are?
Mitosis is when cells split.
dan friesen
Correct.
jordan holmes
Yeah, meiosis is when cells combine.
dan friesen
No, meiosis is when reproductive cells split.
Well done.
And the only reason I remember this is because my science teacher, whose name I don't even remember.
jordan holmes
Greg Davies.
dan friesen
He explained it to us as, I have mitosis in my toes and meiosis in my...
And then he did the DX chop on his crotch.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
That was the year.
That was the year for it.
dan friesen
It was the attitude era.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that was the year everybody was doing one of those.
dan friesen
Still remember it to this day, and I'm almost 40. Yep.
So, here's a little out of context drop from today's show.
This one's going in the soundboard for sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
alex jones
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'll take that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to hear that after I do something successful.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex cheering for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Really, really happy about your achievement.
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
Woo, yeah!
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So, we start here on the 4th, and I can say within even the first clip, I knew we were in trouble, because he starts talking about how Trump's arrest is election meddling, and veers off course incredibly quickly.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
This is election meddling.
This is the country falling into a...
Banana vote republic.
This is the deep state openly flexing its muscles and letting us know that we can't vote for who we want to and that the corrupt blue cities and states are establishing an absolute tyranny over us.
And the main target, ladies and gentlemen, Is our children.
And so we'll be focused a lot today here with Judge Andrew Napolitano, Roger Stone, and many other experts joining us.
But the big picture is this.
The Tavistock Institute on record created in the 60s, the trans agenda.
It had already been planned by Aldous Huxley's brother, Julian Huxley, who ran the UN.
jordan holmes
Ran it.
alex jones
As a way to end the human family as we know it.
And create chemicalized, sterilized features for depopulation.
And destroying the existing human order.
dan friesen
Okay, so...
jordan holmes
That's why they're arresting Trump.
dan friesen
Within a minute!
jordan holmes
Within a minute!
dan friesen
Within a minute, Alex goes from, like, Trump is the greatest thing of...
This is election meddling on a level we've never seen before.
Apparently we're a banana boat republic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not familiar with the term.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, if you can make one store out of Banana Republic, then you have to make another store out of Banana Boat Republic.
dan friesen
Yeah, when Alex goes to the beach, it's a banana hammock republic.
alex jones
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, very quickly weaves into transphobia, calling trans people creatures, I guess, is a real dehumanizing garbage from Alex.
I could tell this is not going to be an episode where we're going to really get too much into the truck.
Trump arrest.
I think Alex is on another tip today.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think the corollary to...
What's the rule where an online argument always ends in somebody being called a Nazi?
dan friesen
I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember the name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I want to say Murphy's Law, but that's not it.
That's whatever can go wrong does go wrong.
jordan holmes
Godwin's Law?
Godwin's Law?
dan friesen
And a great album by Murphy Lee from the Saint Lunatics.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
What was his law?
dan friesen
I think Godwin is right.
I think that is correct.
Murphy Lee's law is that he is the most St. Louis, and you can ask his tattooist.
jordan holmes
That's a good law.
dan friesen
He was like the water boy, and they said, you can do it!
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
That's a good one.
No, this is like the same thing.
It is the length of time it gets the right wing to, we need to save the children.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it always ends with, listen, whatever it is you think makes sense doesn't matter.
We need to save the children.
dan friesen
Right.
And we need to save the children is always cover for something else in their agenda that is destructive to...
Others, whether it's restricting access to reproductive health care, demonizing trans people, banning books, whatever it is.
It's something, and it's garbage.
jordan holmes
We need to think of the children when we let a woman die of sepsis, because we're worried about being called an abortion.
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it sucks.
Yep.
So...
This is really the clip where I was like, we're in deep waters here, my friend.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
This is really shocking to hear from Alex in terms of his hatred of trans people.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
It's the exact same program from Australia to Germany to Canada to the U.S. They're rolling it out in Africa.
They're rolling it out in Latin America.
They're rolling it out in Asia.
The only place they'll allow it is communist China and Russia and some Muslim countries.
And as bad as radical...
Even Orthodox Islam is.
It is a savior.
If Christianity won't stand up for itself, and I don't mean a savior like Christ, but a savior compared to this.
And you know I'm a big opponent of what is really radical, but Orthodox, expansionary Islam.
But I've got to be honest.
Islam is like a fresh and clean drink of mother's milk.
dan friesen
I cannot count the number of times that Alex has lied about insane stuff in order to demonize Islam as a whole and Muslims individually.
To hear him be like, because of their, because of a trend of not accepting LGBTQ people.
jordan holmes
Because of the worst part of them.
dan friesen
Yeah, of those countries and their non-acceptance of LGBTQ folk.
They are like a glass of mother's milk compared to, it's...
It's outrageous.
I can't imagine.
He's saying, like, I want Sharia law, basically?
jordan holmes
No, I need to build a time machine to go back and beat the shit out of every single person who said bullshit about Sharia law in 2004.
I'm going to do that.
I'm not going to solve any problems.
I'm just going to beat the shit.
It's insane!
dan friesen
It's so weird to hear, like, the way that Alex makes peace with his enemies in service of...
Like, something else he hates more.
You know?
It's very...
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
It's jarring.
jordan holmes
Why believe anything?
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
What's the point?
dan friesen
I mean, if you want to ask me personally...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no, no, no.
unidentified
I could tell you.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I would put it to you that he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I would say that almost everything is pretty negotiable in terms of what is pushing forward his current bigotry, whatever is targeting the groups that he wants to target, which is what he profits off of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there is some of that.
I don't believe sincere beliefs in terms of him.
I don't believe that he actually thinks like...
I will embrace orthodox extreme Islam or whatever in order to get rid of the trans agenda created by the Taiva Stock Institute.
It's all nonsense.
It's just hate.
jordan holmes
Just do a new religion that's like, we hate people.
That would be fine.
Write a book that has one sentence.
dan friesen
We hate people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
We just hate them.
dan friesen
So, Trump is going to be arrested.
Alex knows that.
He's made peace with it.
But also, it's Obama lawyers.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
And Soros.
jordan holmes
Do you mean his?
alex jones
They're watching us via television stations, cable stations or the internet.
You can see a shot in front of Trump Tower.
They also have shots in front of the courthouse.
We'll be intermittently going back to where President Trump at 2.15 Eastern time today, 1.15 Central time today, will be turning himself in to the George Soros installed puppet.
And the documents and articles are all out and are all confirmed that George Soros put this guy in.
He promised to arrest Trump.
And an Obama lawyer is inside his office orchestrating it all.
So when we talk about Joe Biden and his administration, it's really the third administration having some...
jordan holmes
Burp problems.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, like you pointed out, you could say that Raynall, Alex's lawyer in the Texas cases, is an Obama lawyer.
jordan holmes
It's an Obama lawyer.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a meaningless sort of epithet to throw around.
jordan holmes
Someone was appointed by Obama.
There was like a thousand people, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Soros didn't put anybody in anywhere.
Whether or not the open societies donated to somebody or whatever, you could deal with that if you want to deal in reality.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Soros didn't be like, you, go there.
And there is a preoccupation with the idea that Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, campaigned on pursuing prosecution against Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Holding powerful people accountable for the crimes they commit.
dan friesen
It goes, like, it's constant.
He's talking about, like, he campaigned on this.
Keep that in mind, because there is a payoff later in the episode.
I wanted to make a point of how much...
We're not going to listen to every time he says it, but Alex says it ad nauseum.
Foreshadowing.
But this Bragg, Alvin Bragg, his office is cuckoo.
It's all over the place.
It's upside down.
They don't know what they're doing.
They're trying to arrest Trump.
Meanwhile...
They support criminals.
And they lock up anybody.
Mostly innocent people.
jordan holmes
Somebody is flying over this fucking nest!
alex jones
Trump's going to be charged with 34 felony counts, no handcuffs, no mugshot, no jail cell, because they know that image really illustrates that they are incredible criminals while there's lawlessness and murder and death in all the major blue cities.
Including New York and the same DA just this week charged a parking garage attendant who saw a man breaking into cars.
It's on surveillance footage.
He came over and the man attacked him, took the gun away, but before he took the gun away, he shot the attendant and the attendant took it away from him and shot him.
So, literally, someone pulls a gun on you, they shoot you, you pull it away and shoot them, and you get charged with attempted murder.
And illegally owning a gun, even though he didn't own the gun.
I read the indictment a few days ago on Saturday, and I just couldn't even believe it.
jordan holmes
Strongly doubt.
alex jones
Someone attacks you with a gun, you fight for your life.
jordan holmes
Strong disbelief.
alex jones
And you get charged.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
So one of the ways that the Trump propagandists tried to make this arrest seem more egregious was to point to this case about this parking attendant who shot an alleged robber.
It's basically adding specifics to they'll indict a ham sandwich.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Musa Diara was on shift when he saw Rhodey Charles looking into cars and naturally thought that he was trying to find stuff to steal.
Diara confronted him, at which point Charles pulled out a gun.
Diara tried to wrestle the gun away, and in the scuffle it discharged, and Diara himself was shot.
He was still able to get the gun, and then he shot Charles twice.
Initially, when police arrived at the scene, they arrested and charged both of them with assault and attempted murder.
However, upon review of the evidence and getting a handgun, Right.
Alex doesn't need to get this story right, because his version of it feels right to the audience.
Alex's fake version of the story conforms to the picture they emotionally resonate with about how their enemies work and how rigged everything is against them.
They'll never hold Alex accountable for being full of shit, because to do that, they would need to insist that he start telling them things that don't feel satisfying, which is more important than the truth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what are you going to, what's, Alex's narrative cannot be the cop Cops are the ones in the fucking wrong here.
And the DA who we hate is the one who is the one stopping this bullshit from happening.
dan friesen
But I would arguably say that perhaps the cops aren't even all that in the wrong.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that.
I mean, if you see two people shot, I get why you'd be like, hey, we'll take you down to the station.
You know, that kind of thing.
I get that.
But at the same time, you know, like...
In order for his narrative to happen, he would have to demonize somebody between the two.
I'm not talking about in real life.
I'm talking about him making the story.
dan friesen
I don't know how you would play it if you wanted to deal with reality.
Because it doesn't matter in reality.
The story is only being told because there's a need to demonize Alvin Bragg in the Manhattan DA's office.
And instead of seeking for...
Valid criticisms of the DA's office, of which there would be plenty, perhaps.
jordan holmes
It's the New York DA's office.
I doubt they're always dispensing perfect justice.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that you could find things to complain about, but they wouldn't line up with Alex's politics, and they wouldn't be satisfying for the audience, because they wouldn't work in service the same way of, like...
The most innocent person who got shot is indicted and being charged with attempted murder.
That's how silly it is that Trump is charged.
These are the same people.
jordan holmes
It's the same people.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's nonsense.
So as we've seen, there is a trend in Alex's coverage around times when emotions are particularly hot, when things are happening, like a Trump impeachment or something like that.
There's always going to be...
The false flag's coming.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Always.
jordan holmes
There's a nuclear attack, something along the lines, to distract us from the real issues.
dan friesen
Well, there's that, and there is the globalists are going to start pulling false flags, which is preemptive cover for in case some right-wing shithead goes out and bombs something.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex can say, I called it, I told you it was going to happen.
And so he continues on this trend.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Meanwhile, I said this last week, and now they've got Peter Strzok and all the usual suspects from the FBI.
All over TV saying Republicans are going to start killing people, bombing people, shooting people.
It's imminent.
That means they've got meth-head mental patients that are schizophrenic in hotel rooms right now with literal MKUltra programming, which is a real thing.
It's all come out in the news.
Telling them that they're the messiah and they're going to save the earth.
It's a well-known brainwashing pattern.
That's one of them.
The CIA just apologized to Canada for the seeking immunity last week for more than 10,000 children they kidnapped in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and they were trying to create mind-control assassins with them.
unidentified
The Fox News, again, was Friday.
alex jones
Look it up.
I mean, they created armies of these people.
Sirhan Sirhan drugged up.
He didn't shoot Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in the back.
The CIA operative from the Skunk Works did.
jordan holmes
I really feel like we got pictures of that one.
alex jones
Sirhan Sirhan was drugged up on an amnesia drug.
jordan holmes
Really feel like we got pictures.
alex jones
He was there with a gun in his hand.
Did none of the shooting.
So, they got Sirhan Sirhans and John Hinckley Jr.'s.
In the hotel rooms, in the farms, you know, in the woods, they've got them outside the cities and outside the towns, ready to roll them in with truck bombs and just machine gun attacks and everything else.
And this is the flash face.
Indite Trump, start blowing stuff up.
And if I was evil, and if I was them, and the same group that runs things today, did Oklahoma City and so much more, Hopefully we can stop them by talking about this, but they've got the truck bombs loaded right now.
You can bet your bottom dollar in this coup against America.
jordan holmes
Hopefully we can talk him out of this.
dan friesen
You heard Alex kind of tip his hand there a bit when he was starting to say, if I were them.
Which is a pretty strong giveaway that most of his predictions about his imaginary enemies are just his own fantasies and what he would like to do to punish people that he doesn't like.
jordan holmes
Look at what these people are doing.
Exactly what I would do if I was in their situation.
dan friesen
That story that Alex is talking about with the U.S. seeking immunity in a Canadian case is interesting, but he's making up pretty much all of the details.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
There aren't armies of mind-controlled patsies, and there never were.
This is a pretty narrow case about whether or not the US can be sued in a Canadian court for things that were done between the 40s and 60s and the MKUltra experiments.
Normally, states have sovereign immunity, and so if these people wanted to sue the US government, the appropriate place to do that would be in US courts.
But in 1982, Canada passed the State Immunity Act, which is being argued that it allows people to sue a foreign government when there are cases of bodily injury involved.
The question is whether or not this act is retroactive, whether it applies, and other various legal technicalities.
I know that Alex's version is more fun and all, but it only exists in his imagination.
In reality, the only reason he's even doing this whole presentation is because he's fairly sure that one of his compatriots is likely to want to try to blow up a building or commit some other act of horrific domestic terrorism, so this is just further preemptive damage control for that.
In case it happens, he has a built-in narrative and clips he can point to saying, I called it.
I'm always right.
Hashtag Alex Jones was right.
99% of the time, I'm an Alex Jones right robot.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
That's a good robot.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, okay.
dan friesen
People couldn't see my impression.
jordan holmes
I was doing handwork.
Yeah, you were doing pretty good space work.
I was pretty...
I mean...
Why do we live in a world where it's like, I don't know if we want to retroactively apply this whole the states can't murder people act.
unidentified
It's less the states can't murder people, it's can you sue them?
jordan holmes
I know, but it's just so...
dan friesen
It does open up a big old can of worms.
jordan holmes
No, totally, but again, I think it's probably fine.
Maybe we should open that can of worms.
Maybe some worms need to be let out of that can.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess...
I guess the issue becomes, at least from where I'm sitting, who has standing if you go back far enough?
Can your relatives sue another state for bodily injury or something like that?
It does become a little bit murky at that point.
People who would already be passed on.
jordan holmes
True, true.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't know.
I think that there's a certain amount of accountability that probably should exist between states.
But unfortunately, in order to really facilitate that, you kind of need a world government.
jordan holmes
You kind of do.
dan friesen
Alex is pretty against that.
jordan holmes
Either that or your retribution is always, well, I guess we got to fight a war to get you to pay this $1 million bill.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Which I could see being a preferable outcome for Alex, actually.
jordan holmes
I think you're right.
dan friesen
So, we have one last clip here from the 4th, and this is where I was like, goodbye.
I'm not going to cover more of this.
I'm not charmed by the idea of Andrew Napolitano coming on.
He is not an interesting man.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
What's Roger Stone going to say?
jordan holmes
Ah, I could use more money.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Oh, my legal defense fund is...
Whatever.
Hey, have you guys listened to the Pillow Guys network that I'm on now?
jordan holmes
I've got a fucking discount code.
You want some of that?
dan friesen
So this clip's pretty bad.
Alex gets into some thoughts about the trans suicide rate.
jordan holmes
I would have ended when you described it.
dan friesen
It's not a good clip.
I don't think...
Few will enjoy.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
alex jones
And they go, we have the highest suicide rate, we have the highest death rate, because almost half of them in studies are sex workers and are in a really destructive lifestyle, in a sex cult, and they're killing themselves and they're being killed, not by us, but by their pimps and all this.
And then they point at conservatives.
Thinking we want to run around and, quote, hurt people in drag, or we want to ban books.
No, we're saying you can't have pedophilic books.
jordan holmes
You're banning books?
alex jones
Telling kids to get in the back of a van with a guy when they come to your backyard.
jordan holmes
DeSantis is banning books?
alex jones
And then it shows the man having sex with a child and how wonderful it is.
That's just one of the books.
We don't want that in school libraries.
jordan holmes
That's against the law.
alex jones
Legislatures, they get up and ask.
City councils, we play the videos.
They start reading.
Penthouse writes about sex.
That's about adults having sex.
And they say, would this be okay in the school?
And they say, we can't answer that.
Because everybody knows you don't put Penthouse in the elementary school or the high school.
jordan holmes
We can all agree on that.
alex jones
But Penthouse doesn't tell, hey, if you're in a backyard and a man next door invites you in his shed and wants to give you a blowjob, go ahead and go over it.
You'll like it.
It'll be fun.
Ask the man to give you a blowjob.
And then, oh, if a man asks you to...
These are books in school.
If a nice man wants to just give you pleasure...
Remember what Oprah Winfrey said a few years ago?
She said, well, kids don't know it's abuse.
They like it.
dan friesen
This is a load of disgusting bullshit.
And Oprah's comments were about how difficult it is to wrestle with having been abused as a child because of the confusion that comes along with it.
Alex is lying to demonize an already vulnerable population and run cover for the fact that the GOP, particularly in Florida, are actively banning a ton of books that aren't pedophilic but are just things that make white conservatives Very uncomfortable.
Alex is doing this because he wants those kind of books banned, but he also knows that calling for banning books that make him uncomfortable looks really bad, so he just pretends it's about something that's a little bit more defensible, even though the thing he claims it about, it's not happening.
jordan holmes
Listen, listen, I know that when you think of book bans, you think of the Nazis immediately burning a lot of books.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm not like that, okay?
I only want to burn books that tell the history of the United States I don't like.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
It's very different.
jordan holmes
I'm different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So there is a higher rate of participation in sex work among trans women than the general population, but that's not a major contributor to the suicide rate that people discuss.
The first thing to keep in mind is that when people are talking about these statistics, they're not talking about suicide rates.
They're talking about attempted suicide rates.
Death records don't...
include sexual orientation or gender identity typically so that gathering that information is not something that most of these studies have been able to capture they deal with attempted suicides or you know desire to attempt which is important because that means that studies and surveys can capture the influences that led to that decision yeah a 2020 study in the journal of interpersonal violence found that microaggressions and familial emotional neglect are two of the highest contributing factors generally speaking.
Mean murderous pimps strangely did Yeah.
Not even close.
The Trevor Project has also done a ton of work in this field, and this is one of the things that's very consistent.
Their 2022 survey found that if LGBTQ youth have a high level of familial support, their risk of attempting was more than cut in half.
In addition to that familial support, acceptance and support in schools are also important variables that are associated with decreased suicidality.
We would be remiss if we didn't also mention that this Trevor Project survey found that 60% of respondents wanted mental health care but did not receive it.
There's a certain amount of the statistic that has nothing to do with someone being trans or non-binary, but just with everyday mental health problems that end up not being able to be something they seek help for, often due to financial inability or concerns that parents won't give their permission to seek treatment, or even concerns that they'll be outed if they seek treatment.
To the extent that trans folks are sex workers, some of them want to be in that field and good for them.
Others feel they have no other viable options, which is not helped by the phenomenon of employment discrimination.
Additionally, many LGBTQ folk resort to sex work because they're kicked out of their homes by unaccepting parents and find themselves on the street.
In many ways, a lot of the roads go back to the impact that having supportive and accepting family members has and the negative impact that not having that has.
Yeah, I mean, I can't...
jordan holmes
I can't relate by any stretch to an infinite number of situations, but when I was, I don't know, 15, 16...
I had recognized that I was bipolar type 1. And I did not tell my parents or seek help until I was 23 because, one, I was worried that they weren't going to believe me and instead put me in some kind of church version of that.
You know, just that idea of like...
If I do say this, there is a possibility that I will be actively harmed by my family or kicked out.
And that's on a small scale.
And that, of course, leads to, well, I don't have value.
I don't have worth.
And at any point in time, if I act like who I am, I will be punished and hurt for it.
So why the fuck still stay alive?
And that is there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't pretend to, like, obviously understand the full totality of this topic.
And I would not pretend to be someone who's, you know, fully informed.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But to the extent that Alex is talking about this subject, it's...
I mean, it's disgraceful.
And it does strike me as...
Trying to bring about a scenario where the very thing that would be abundantly helpful is impossible to achieve.
And I think that's pretty awful.
And I think he does, on some level, understand that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and with the knowledge we have now, you can be convicted of a crime for bullying somebody.
Who then winds up killing themselves, you know?
For a sustained action towards this person who winds up killing themselves, you are responsible.
But if you are on a national TV show bullying people into the similar situation, you are not held accountable for it.
dan friesen
It's the, I guess, the difference between targeted harassment and scattershot.
Yeah.
Universal harassment.
jordan holmes
No, it gets right back to one person is a person and a million people is a statistic.
You know, it gets right back to that concept.
dan friesen
So anyway, I had a little patience.
I was like, well, once Alex is describing this book, I'm out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And all this.
So we jump to the fifth.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
And Trump has been arrested.
jordan holmes
Hooray!
dan friesen
And then he's given a speech.
unidentified
Boo!
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is mad about the response to that speech.
alex jones
The state-run globalist media decided to not air Trump's incredibly historic 24-minute speech.
We will air it all today in pieces, and I will comment.
We'll play a lot of excerpts as well.
Rachel Maddow said she would decide if her viewers were going to see any of it, and of course she showed none of it.
These people are beyond evil.
Here's some of the key things Trump had to say.
dan friesen
So, Rachel Maddow is the only specific that Alex gives of anybody not playing the speech, so that's great.
And second, Alex does not play the whole speech.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Which he said he's going to do, and he's complaining that other people didn't do.
He doesn't make it through the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
I'm surprised anybody made it through that.
When you come out on the courthouse steps, you give like a two-minute blurb.
And then you move on with your life.
dan friesen
I think this was back at Mar-a-Lago.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
I think.
jordan holmes
He shouldn't be allowed to go back to Mar-a-Lago.
unidentified
Bad.
jordan holmes
If anybody...
dan friesen
The Winter White House.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
Dan, I think there might be two justice systems.
dan friesen
There may be.
So, look, the good news is that the GOP is fully behind Trump, which I don't know if that's true.
alex jones
Republican.
Leadership.
Because of the massive backlash against this, has been forced to get behind Trump.
A lot of them are working against Trump.
But make no mistake, our republic is in crisis today, ladies and gentlemen.
This is a Soros-backed coup in New York, seeks to imprison Trump for 136 years.
That's the live show.
Headline, Alvin Bragg asked judge to hold Trump's trial during primary season.
Totally timed.
Trump bleeds not guilty to 34. Felony counts.
Deep State indictment again, 636 years in prison.
While Alvin Bragg releases shooters that shoot people days after they do it.
dan friesen
I think Alex is getting confused about the parking attendant thing again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, is he now like, he's releasing this shooter that I...
dan friesen
I think he's just totally confused.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So people like Kevin McCarthy may feel the need to give some kind of knee-jerk support to Trump to avoid alienating his fans right now.
This is not a status quo that can remain for long.
The 2024 general election is a presidential election, but a whole lot of members of Congress are also up for re-election, and you can bet your bottom dollar that they know that a sure path to losing is connecting their campaign to supporting Trump in his legal case, which will only get nastier and messier as things go along.
Yeah.
unidentified
The way that Trump is going to act and lash out, Yeah, I appreciate all the, like...
alex jones
Polling immediately.
jordan holmes
Oh, people instantly, after Trump's indictment, 50% support or whatever it is.
And it's like, dude, next week, it'll be different.
We live in a world where a week is completely changing the world.
Who cares?
dan friesen
Every seat in the House is contested.
And as it stands, the GOP only has a four-member majority.
So that shit is tight.
In the Senate, there are 34 seats that are up for grabs.
Only 11 of these seats are currently held by members of the GOP.
a little bit less to lose but the margins are very slim in the senate so you don't want to lose anything no most of those republicans in the senate are pretty safe gop uh places they're probably not going to lose so you're probably going to see a little bit more willingness to fuck around from people like ted cruz and josh holly sure who are both up for re-election but house members are probably going to be way more cautious even beyond just electoral concerns most of these folks don't want their political existence tied to a guy who's probably going to be convicted for these crimes because
unidentified
that creates the risk that their entire identity will be caught up in trying to absolve trump at the expense of being able to spend that political capital in some other fight that they care more about i mean they don't give a shit about this guy Imagine if your campaign has to be entirely, I'm going to pardon the imprisoned former president.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Great.
Good work.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's really a wrap.
The GOP folks in office will care about Trump until he's no longer potentially politically useful in the same way that they all hated him until he was the inevitable GOP candidate in 2016.
Once the downside outweighs the potential benefit, they won't care.
But for Alex, it's interesting because he likely has a different calculation.
For Alex, the more likely it is that Trump goes to jail, the more appealing it is to support him.
If Trump goes to jail, the narrative basically writes itself for Alex.
He could scream from the mountaintop about how the rightful leader who was sent to prison because he was too great of a threat to the globalists.
jordan holmes
Think about how many Cokes are getting poisoned in prison!
dan friesen
From the narrative perspective, Trump going to jail is the best thing that could happen for Alex right now.
And because he would be incarcerated and there would be a limited ability for him to necessarily disseminate messages and what have you, Alex could control the narrative so well.
There's so much game he could play there.
In the same way that Carrie with Mark Richards in prison.
She basically gets to control the entire story.
Alex could do so much with an imprisoned Trump.
jordan holmes
And we're not going to have to worry about letters from an Alabama country jail, county jail from our boy Trump over there.
dan friesen
No, maybe a tweet from a jail.
But then also, you've got to think, Trump can't profit off his crime or whatever, but Alex can.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, I think I have a clip in a little bit.
Yeah, here, I'll just play this for you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So I will give the number out when we come back.
Also, the Trump campaign is fundraising off of a mugshot they made because they didn't give him a mugshot because they wanted to deny him the image of what they're trying to do, put him in jail for 136 years.
And so we made a mock mugshot of Trump that I think is just as good as his.
His is excellent as well.
It's both fundraisers for Trump and for us.
So do you want to support Trump?
They'll get the shirt from them, but also get the limited edition shirt at m4warstore.com.
Ours is very similar.
Ours says political prisoner and has him in a mugshot photo.
dan friesen
We were really disappointed that they didn't make a real mugshot, but we're still going to try and make some money off this.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We had the idea and it's too good.
It's so good.
Actually, Trump's doing it too.
jordan holmes
No, we had the idea first.
We had the idea first.
It's a very similar shirt, but on one the profits go to me and on the other the profits go to him.
dan friesen
Yeah, think about the hundred different things that you could do to make money off Trump political prisoner.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Alex would just have a field day with us.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Trump for not prison would be a shirt.
Why not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you heard on the last episode that Alex said Judge Andrew Napolitano was going to be on, and it turns out Alex is not a...
school about things that were said off air.
alex jones
Good.
unidentified
We had Judge Edward Napolitano on yesterday saying the plan is to bring Hillary in as the VP during the election, then have Biden step down towards a high level.
He told me this off air.
I should have raised Yeah, man, Hillary's back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I feel like right now...
Most Democratic voters are hoping for a return to the old aristocracy.
You know?
They're like, oh, it's this new aristocracy that's bad.
dan friesen
The only person who is in any way interested in Hillary being in the mix is Alex.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And I just feel like this is so old.
jordan holmes
Don't do this.
I feel like he's trying to will it into existence so it'll make him money.
dan friesen
You know what one of the big problems was with the show Heroes?
You know that NBC show Heroes?
jordan holmes
I do.
We've talked extensively, but mostly when we were drunken about seven years ago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The problem with Heroes...
Well, there's a number of things.
First, the writer's strength, but let's leave that aside.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Siler was the problem.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Zachary Quinto was really great as a menacing villain.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And his power set was really interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, they kept him around.
They kept him around into season two and three.
And it was just like, all right, you know, what are we doing?
Why is Siler still around?
He was a great villain, and he should have died at the end of the first season.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then move on to another villain or something, a new story, some kind of thing.
But he's so good.
That they kept him around.
And that is the problem.
That's what ultimately, I believe, really hampered their ability to grow as a show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is doing the same thing with Hillary.
Although she does not have telekinesis.
jordan holmes
No.
True.
We can confirm she does not have telekinesis as of this printing.
dan friesen
She is not able to steal other people's superpowers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can have the same big bad in Inspector Gadget for as long as you want, but in a real-life show, or with people, you gotta...
dan friesen
But also, if you have the same big bad, then you have to have sort of smaller bads that are still a threat that you can handle, and then the big bad is always kind of getting away, and there's a bomb in his chair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fantastic way to escape.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If we need to flee, believe me, that is what the fuzz will find here.
dan friesen
Yeah, but they turned Siler good for a little while.
unidentified
No!
It was just a mess.
jordan holmes
Come on!
dan friesen
Anyway, I have a lot more thoughts about heroes.
jordan holmes
I haven't bought that shit since the White Ranger, my friend.
I'm not doing that again.
dan friesen
I just don't want to hear more about Hillary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems tired.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We need to be done.
We need to be done.
dan friesen
I can't even imagine his audience getting excited about hearing it.
jordan holmes
She's not bothering me anymore.
dan friesen
Little do you know, she's behind it all.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Soros pulls off his mask at Hillary.
jordan holmes
It's a Mission Impossible Tom Cruise mask.
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Bragg, Alvin Bragg, he's up to more bad stuff.
Not in DA's office.
alex jones
All of it quarterbacked by this Soros legal institute they set up where they let hardened criminals out and murderers out and don't even charge them or let them go.
And then they put all of us in the prisons.
unidentified
All of us.
alex jones
And that's the big announcement.
We're all terrorists because we're pro-America, and they list all these dozens of things that are terrorists.
It goes on and on.
Sex Fiend gets Sweet Deal from Manhattan D.A. Bragg on teen rape charges and attacks five others.
And again, just last week they charged it.
Parking garage attendant who did his job and went over and confronted a man peacefully, said, what are you doing?
Breaking in cars.
They got turns, shoots him in the stomach.
The man takes the gun away, shoots him.
They're charging him!
jordan holmes
But now they're not.
alex jones
I mean, this is a plan, folks.
dan friesen
Yeah, you make a good point.
So Alex is still lying about the parking attendant story.
I say lying even though he probably has no idea what the reality is because I know that even if he heard that the charges had been dropped, he'd still tell his audience the same story.
It doesn't matter.
It satisfies what it needs to satisfy, which is the emotional needs of the audience.
As for the Sex Fiend case, that is a little bit more of a mess.
The situation is this man named Justin Washington was offered a plea deal where he would get 30 days in jail and 5 years probation on a rape charge, being pled down to a charge of coercion.
A spokesperson for the DA's office said that they had consulted with sex crimes prosecutors who had been in contact with the victim and their family, and that the plea deal was partially in service of finding a way to hold Washington responsible, but make it so the victim would not have to testify.
The amount of evidence prosecutors had forced them to reduce the charges from first degree rape and first degree sexual abuse to third degree, which dropped Washington's bail to $12,000, which he was able to meet.
He had no prior arrests and made all court appearances, so it doesn't seem that outlandish that he would be offered to be able to be released on bail.
However, just a few days before he was said to be sentenced, he went on an assault spree.
This is pretty awful.
It's ridiculous.
He was climbing up people's fire escapes and masturbating, looking in their windows and stuff.
It was a mess.
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's awful, and naturally the DA's office has moved to retract the plea deal.
Alex and his ilk are pretty obsessed at the moment with delegitimizing Alvin Bragg and the Manhattan DA's office, so whatever appearance of wrongdoing will be naturally blown out of proportion.
But it's important to keep in mind that Alex doesn't care at all about this parking attendant or any of Washington's victims.
This is literally only an issue for Alex because it helps him make Trump look less guilty.
For instance, to my knowledge, Alex has never spoken about Stephen Broderick.
Broderick was an Austin, Travis County Sheriff's deputy who was charged in 2020 with sexually assaulting a child.
While he was out on bond, he committed a triple murder.
His victims, including his ex-wife and his stepdaughter, who was the victim in the sexual assault case.
So, I mean, like, DA's offices...
Right.
It's not a situation that's unique to the Manhattan DA's office, and it's definitely not just something that we should accept as an inevitability of life, but on the flip side, if people truly are innocent until proven guilty, it does not make sense to take someone with no prior convictions and deny them bail.
The sweetheart deal that was offered to Washington wasn't related to the ability to commit further crimes, but that's the story how it needs to be told for Alex, because he only...
He needs the story to prop up the Trump is a victim narrative.
You know what I'm saying?
He got out on bail.
It wasn't the sweetheart deal or whatever that allowed that.
And the sweetheart deal wasn't what reduced his bail.
It was the lack of evidence and what have you.
jordan holmes
Without the victim available to testify.
dan friesen
That required the dropping of the charge, which led to him being able to afford the bail.
So there is...
There is a reality of the legal system that is an unfortunate truth of how these things work that led to this, not the DA's office itself.
And the sweet ordeal that was there is now being revoked.
jordan holmes
It feels like what you're saying to me is if a bunch of people try and do what they feel they can do within the system to respect the needs of a victim while, I mean, I guess being part of the legal system, you need to be able to see the future to make sure that you're doing everything perfectly right and that mistakes like this don't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, because those protections are the ones that we want if we are in a situation where we are not.
Guilty of a crime.
Or even if we are guilty of a crime and are fucking human beings with dignity.
dan friesen
Alex screams about due process all the time.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Rights of the accused and what have you.
And then as soon as it's advantageous for him to ignore that stuff, he does.
jordan holmes
So that's where we're at.
It's like on balance if you're trying to respect the innocence until proven guilty.
Without knowledge of the future, shit's gonna get wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Sometimes.
Not all the time, but sometimes.
dan friesen
A mess.
jordan holmes
A mess.
dan friesen
So Alex starts listening to Trump's speech.
I think he wanted to take a real easy day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wanted to be like when the substitute comes in with a video.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Wheels in the TV.
jordan holmes
Wheels in the TV.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
The cathode ray tube.
dan friesen
But unfortunately...
Within like 20 seconds of listening to this, he starts getting really mad.
unidentified
The only crime that I have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it.
alex jones
By the way, hit pause.
I want to say something here.
jordan holmes
Hit pause.
alex jones
The speech was powerful, but the crowd would not shut up.
And I'm not mad at them, but this is one of my big irritants with high-level Trump supporters.
They're in there drinking.
It's a big carnival.
They love being near the president.
They love the fancy, beautiful architecture.
And they just, it's like a beauty pageant or something.
Like, they feel like they've arrived.
unidentified
It should have been solemn.
alex jones
And they should have just clapped when he paused.
But instead, it's like they're at a rodeo or a discotheque.
And they're, woo!
unidentified
Yeah, woo!
alex jones
Like, this ain't funny!
This ain't fun!
This is war!
And people better get that through their heads.
This is deathly serious.
unidentified
This is deathly serious.
alex jones
And I'm not mad at the crowd.
I've seen it.
jordan holmes
I'm not mad at the crowd.
alex jones
And there is a delirium.
And the same thing happened to his rallies.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
That's what his rallies were.
jordan holmes
What?
What solemnity has he ever had?
dan friesen
People were always like tailgating and selling knickknacks and stuff.
jordan holmes
You wanted people to scream Bill Clinton is a rapist as many times as you paid them to do it.
What are we doing here?
Oh, they should have been solemn.
dan friesen
Yes.
Should have been more respectful.
unidentified
They're all drunk and hooting and hollering.
jordan holmes
I was thinking precisely that.
Outside of the courthouse, there were too many elites.
Drinking their Pim's cups.
dan friesen
You know, what I was thinking, too, was that when we were in Austin, Alex was just very respectful to the proceedings.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally!
dan friesen
Yeah, he was very solemn.
jordan holmes
It was a solid moment.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially when he was out front, surrounded by bodyguards screaming.
jordan holmes
Especially when he was still in the courthouse screaming right outside of the courtroom the way that he was told not to.
dan friesen
So respectful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself, asshole.
dan friesen
So, how can these people have fun?
How can they have fun at a time like this?
jordan holmes
Because it's hilarious?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is hilarious.
alex jones
It's like they're having fun.
This is not fun!
And I'm just saying, it's the wrong attitude, man.
Trump is being attacked.
I'm being attacked.
Roger's being attacked.
Let me just say this.
Owen Schroer's facing a hearing prison.
Sam Montoya that went in peacefully the Capitol, showed Ashley about it being murdered, didn't hurt anything.
He's sentenced today at 1 p.m. Eastern.
He called me during the break and said, please pray for me, our camera guy.
So this is very real, okay?
There's almost 1,000 political prisoners, hundreds of them haven't even been charged two-plus years.
dan friesen
Not sure about that, but Sam Montoya was filming for InfoWars when he stormed the Capitol, and it would be hard to say that his actions, which he caught on film himself, didn't help him get charged.
For instance, there was that part where he yelled, quote, Or the part where he did a plug for the Infowars store while he was entering the Capitol building.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, he got a little carried away in the moment, is what I might say.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Got sales.
jordan holmes
Got sales!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, he was sentenced to 120 days of house arrest, three years probation, and 60 hours of community service.
He better remember to do that community service, too, since that's why Owen Schroyer got charged with anything.
He didn't do his community service from his previous plea agreement over disrupting Congress, so he was technically trespassing just by being at the Capitol on January 6th.
He hasn't been sentenced yet, but I'm sure it's just going to be a slap on the wrist.
Also, I mean, like, look.
Sam Montoya is a cameraman, so there better be some breaking news at his house.
unidentified
I don't know how he's going to be helping the InfoWars.
dan friesen
Capturing film right out front of his house, perhaps through the window.
jordan holmes
You know, I can't help but think that this would all be so much easier if anybody had tried to hold Nixon accountable.
You know?
Like, if Nixon had been arrested...
For the crimes that he committed and been in court for them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would be much easier for everybody to swallow the pill of a president committing a crime and then going to jail for it.
dan friesen
There would be much more of a precedent for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Instead of the other president.
jordan holmes
Every time people are like, this is the first time that a former president has been charged, I'm like, yeah, that's our fault, not theirs!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a first time for everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex, he wants to...
So what he wants to do is he wants to structure this like, I'm going to listen to some of the speech, then I'm going to take some calls.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Then I'm going to listen to some of the speech and then take some calls.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But every time he starts listening to the speech...
jordan holmes
He gets too bored?
dan friesen
Well, I get bored, too.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex gets bored.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he realizes he's built this up as, like, the most momentous, historic speech.
jordan holmes
Powerful speech.
dan friesen
But then Trump just starts rambling about bullshit, and then Alex has to...
unidentified
This is...
dan friesen
I find this so funny.
unidentified
They've got a local racist Democrat district attorney in Atlanta who is doing everything in her power to indict me over an absolutely perfect phone call, even more perfect than the one I made with the president of Ukraine.
Remember, I kept saying, that's a perfect call.
This one was more perfect.
Nobody said, sir, you shouldn't say that.
Many people are on the phone.
Or hung up and discussed because of something I inappropriately said.
Because nothing was said wrong.
In fact, at the end of the call, we agreed to continue our conversation about election fraud.
And election fraud, specifically in Georgia, at a later time.
Many people on the phone, including lots of lawyers, nobody found anything wrong with that perfect call until a book promotion tour.
Many months later.
All right, so what Trump does in the first part of the speech, which is not the most powerful part, it's very powerful, very historic.
jordan holmes
Very historic.
alex jones
Look at all the false charges before.
Look at all the things they said I did I didn't do.
And now they're just back again, more desperate than ever, because they know we're waking up and they're losing control of our minds.
I'm Alex Jones.
This is the Infowar.
The globalists are coming for us all, but we're waking up and we're strong.
We have God on our side.
And we can and we must prevail.
dan friesen
There's something so pure about the moment of Alex listening to the speech that he hasn't listened to before, but he's built up as the most important, historic kind of, like, we will fight them on the beaches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That kind of speech.
And then it's just this rambling nonsense.
He's like, this isn't the powerful part.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine watching Patton and just hearing him be like, ah, and then there's a district attorney.
Like, what are we doing?
dan friesen
My phone call was perfect.
Even more perfect than the other perfect call.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Nobody said that I said anything inappropriate.
jordan holmes
You know, if Trump didn't have an absurdly rich Nazi dad, then he would just be a fucking shitty comedian doing VFWs.
dan friesen
Maybe.
If he had ambition.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back and he plays some more of Trump's speech.
He's going to get to the part that's actually really powerful.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
She said that I falsified my financial statements, but in fact we're proving and will prove that my financial statements were substantially more than we submitted, not less.
jordan holmes
Will you?
unidentified
And in all cases have a strong disqualment clause in them, which tells the institutions that may look at that if they want to, not to rely on the statement.
But they've got a problem with their case because, number one, I'm...
Very under-leveraged.
They can't believe it.
All the stuff they read and gave.
And have very little debt relative to the value of assets.
And importantly, not one bank has lost even one dollar.
She was investigating me to save banks and very good lawyers.
But they didn't lose a dollar with us during this period of time.
In fact, the banks we're talking about made almost $200 million off Donald Trump, and they liked me very much.
jordan holmes
Did you say that bankers love you as your campaign speech?
unidentified
Cool.
Cool.
And again, this is the weakest part of the speech.
alex jones
It gets really hard for everybody to recall first.
He talks about the Soviet Union and the tyranny and the takeover of America, but if anything, Trump defends himself too much.
He's got to go on the offense more here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
I always love it when you're breaking down a speech and you have to multiple times say, this isn't the good part.
unidentified
This isn't the good part.
jordan holmes
This isn't the good part.
dan friesen
This is the part where the guy is rambling about bullshit.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Maybe there's a reason that other news outlets will just play parts that are relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you'll go ahead of time, do a little bit of advanced legwork and find the parts that mean something and chop out all the dead weight.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which, I mean, I think is inarguably a bad thing for the rest of the world is the fact that they...
Only showed parts of the speeches where Trump accidentally said something meaningful as opposed to an hour-long ramble session like this where he's like, let me explain why I am not guilty of campaign finance charges.
dan friesen
I have so much cash.
jordan holmes
I have so much cash and bankers love me.
What a stirring speech.
dan friesen
So Alex decides, like, I'm tired of defending this nonsense.
I'm going to go to some calls.
unidentified
Good call.
dan friesen
So Alex takes a call and this person does not like Trump.
alex jones
Let's go to Ann in Florida.
Ann, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hello?
alex jones
Yes, welcome.
unidentified
God bless you, Alex, and the crew also.
Thank you.
My comment is that, as you know, Trump is a showman.
And while the arrest for me was, the whole thing was a publicity stunt by Trump.
He could have stayed in Florida.
Governor DeSantis said he wouldn't extradite him.
And he went.
And to me, he just surrendered again, just like he did with the election.
So it's really a disappointment, and it's just for show.
alex jones
Well, I think it's fair to say he backed down some of the election and backed down on the shots, but if he didn't go to New York, they would say he was guilty and absconding, and they could probably get a federal warrant and bypass that.
So I think going and facing his false accusers and saying he's not guilty...
I think that's kind of his right to do that.
I don't know if it's fair to say that was bad.
unidentified
Well, maybe it's right, but to me, it's just like he choked again.
And, you know, he gave up on the Jan Sixers, and his best friend, Paul Manafort, is still in jail.
You know, the guy that ran this campaign.
I just...
jordan holmes
Good point.
unidentified
He's not doing it for me.
alex jones
Well, Manafort is out of jail.
unidentified
Oh, that's good.
Finally.
alex jones
Listen, I have your criticisms of Trump.
I mean, I agree with you that he's not perfect.
dan friesen
Trump pardoned Manafort like two years ago.
jordan holmes
I know, like forever ago.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Ah, what fun, what fun.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate that her fundamental criticism is my problem is we're still in a democracy.
dan friesen
Beneath some of the aesthetic complaints she has, yeah.
jordan holmes
Trump should have overthrown the government.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm disappointed that he didn't.
dan friesen
And he didn't, and so now where we're at...
This is all for show.
Which, I actually kind of agree with her on that point.
I mean, like, the actual arrest isn't, and the legal proceeding isn't for show, but Trump's behavior towards it certainly is.
And the desire to get a mug shot so he could make the shirt to sell, and what have you.
Like, yeah, flying to Florida to do it instead of doing it remotely, or whatever.
Yes.
I'm sorry, flying to New York.
Yeah, of course, that's show.
That's rallying the base.
jordan holmes
I don't appreciate the amount of climate damage he did just so he could hop over to New York and say, I'm sorry for forcing myself to be arrested for all the crimes I committed and then flying back.
dan friesen
So this same caller, this is a really interesting exchange.
Because she makes the very accurate accusation that Alex's show supports Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex responds by pretending that she called him a shill.
And this is how that breaks down.
unidentified
I hope we have a different candidate.
I know your show has been pushing him and everything, but I don't really see him as the answer.
alex jones
I know shill's a $10 word, and that's cute and everything, and I like it.
You said Paul Manafort's in prison.
He was out of prison two years ago.
Okay?
You said I'm a shill, so just tell me how I'm a shill.
unidentified
Use the word shill.
You used the word shill.
I just said you guys were pushing him.
Every time you have on Roger, he's like slamming DeSantis, claiming his wife as the Academy Award doll, and it's just really not nice.
And then it's just to me, you know, I don't really see it.
I'm a Floridian.
I really like the governor.
I like Ron Paul.
I mean, there's other people that I think that do the job because, like I said, Trump choked.
And I don't think he deserves another chance.
alex jones
Okay, listen, I share your criticism of Trump on the poison shots.
But the system coming after the frontrunner, if they did this to a Democrat, I would be against it.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Hillary for prison!
dan friesen
Hillary for prison, Jake!
I think, if you listen to that, she said, your show is pushing him.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex, I think, is pretending that he heard her say shill.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because grammatically, it doesn't make sense.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Your shill is promoting him?
dan friesen
I think that he was just trying to find a way to have a false argument instead of addressing how...
jordan holmes
His show supports Trump.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He can't just be like, yeah, I mean, we do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, he has to pretend like we're here on all sides here.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I mean, Roger Stone was pardoned by Trump for the crimes that right now Trump is being...
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, like, Roger Stone is...
You can't say that he is not, like, a person who is always going to have an angle that is Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
It's not like, well, maybe Roger will be swayed to DeSantis.
unidentified
Unless...
dan friesen
Trump is not an option.
And then maybe he'll support DeSantis.
Where Trump is an option, Roger is going to support Trump.
And that is the same with a lot of the people in Alex's orbit.
If you look at his guest catalog, there are a shocking number of Trump hardliners, let's say, in a way that there aren't DeSantis hardliners.
You'll hear that from a caller from time to time, maybe, but not from the people that Alex promotes and are his vaunted experts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what is fascinating about that is that because Trump operates like a mob boss, he has people who are loyal to the family, so to speak.
And DeSantis doesn't do that.
DeSantis doesn't have that.
dan friesen
Well, he might.
He might just do it poorly.
jordan holmes
He might just do it quietly or whatever.
dan friesen
Or badly.
jordan holmes
Or badly.
I hate that word.
But yeah, I mean, it is like this is the benefit of operating like a criminal organization is these people have hitched their wagons to you and if they let go for a second, they're in open waters and sharks can come after them whenever they want, you know?
dan friesen
You need the discernment to like the word badly.
jordan holmes
You're killing me.
dan friesen
You're killing me.
So, that caller, she did not call Alex a shill.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Which makes the next caller pretty funny.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Baldy in Florida, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, hi, Alexander.
baldy in newyork
This is why this is the greatest show in the history of the world, because you allow people to come on and call you a shill to your face.
unidentified
So, thank you very much for this opportunity.
dan friesen
You get to be on the air and accuse people of calling you a shield to your face.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
That's stolen valor.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
It's stolen acceptance, this valor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, shit's getting serious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The globalists.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They're making their move.
Much like they have for the last, every day for the last 20 years.
jordan holmes
It has been a long time.
dan friesen
But this time they're really making their move.
jordan holmes
Okay, for real?
alex jones
They are desperate.
They are in trouble.
They are panicking.
Their programs are in trouble worldwide.
They're destroying our dominance in their attempt to dominate the world.
It was American soft power is why people listened to us because they thought we were free and they aspired to be like us.
Now they hate us.
But the world shouldn't hate America.
Americans on average are still good people, not as good as we were.
We're going to make our republic strong again and an example of the world, not a bullet.
But I can tell you behind the scenes, ladies and gentlemen, I've learned information, I'm not allowed to tell you yet, of just how bad it is.
The enemy is moving on all fronts against everybody right now.
We are in the middle of a coup.
They're not just going after Trump.
And you should take every hour we're on air as very special.
I could be off the air by tomorrow, just so you know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Now that I got your attention.
dan friesen
Uh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, you fucking...
dan friesen
You do not.
jordan holmes
Chicken little ass son of a...
unidentified
Oh, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Did it work this time?
Yeah, right?
I've got your attention now, claiming that we're in the middle of a coup.
dan friesen
So the bankruptcy must not be going great.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt it.
dan friesen
I get that sense.
That's kind of what I hear from this.
But yeah, the more you listen to him over longer periods of time, the more you see, like, ah, this again.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We're gonna be gone tomorrow again.
jordan holmes
I'm so tired.
dan friesen
But I do still think that there is like something behind it.
Not that like the globalists are making a move or anything.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
That's a fun literary flourish.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I do think that there is something of like a shit's going bad with my finances.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know if this Trump shirt is gonna sell as well as I hope it will.
And so, yeah, the Alex Jones live thing didn't work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was so close to working.
It was hidden so well.
dan friesen
I wanted that painting show.
jordan holmes
How did they find it?
How did they find it?
dan friesen
I think it's because of us.
jordan holmes
It might be.
dan friesen
I think we talked about it.
jordan holmes
It might be.
No, I think Mark heard us talk about it and was like, oh, this shit's going.
dan friesen
I don't know if it was Mark, but probably some similar kind of connection.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think we fucked ourselves on not getting that painting show.
jordan holmes
Damn it.
dan friesen
So I heard this next clip, and I was like, God damn it.
Why?
Why?
alex jones
They're about to tank everything, ladies and gentlemen.
You're about to not have food at the grocery stores if we don't stop them.
unidentified
These people are psychotic communists.
alex jones
Who do you think created communism?
The Rothschilds, the richest people in the world, they rob you.
What does Soros do as their age?
He goes around and bankrupts countries and steals old people's pension funds, and the left worships him.
When he was 14, he was rounding up fellow Jews.
What a nice person.
Mike Adams is coming up on the banking collapse.
jordan holmes
The bank ranger.
alex jones
So I'm going to introduce him.
He's going to take over and host.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I got bankruptcy business to take care of, so I'm going to leave and let Mike Adams host the rest of the show.
jordan holmes
There's not going to be groceries in the...
Well, I mean, maybe you won't be able to afford them as well.
dan friesen
We got the Bank Ranger coming on.
jordan holmes
We got the Bank Ranger to talk about the banking collapse.
dan friesen
I do think that Alex did have a bankruptcy hearing that day, and so he had to leave early.
jordan holmes
I think so.
No, I think I might have seen Morgan Stringer tweeting about it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure about the exact date, but that does seem to line up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we get another caller before Mike Adams shows up, and I turn things off.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
But this caller is an interesting question that leads to Alex making a shocking revelation.
alex jones
Pete in Washington.
Go ahead.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks, Alex.
I just wonder if you'd ask Robert Barnes why he turned on DeSantis so aggressively when DeSantis is opposed to the vax, but Trump isn't.
alex jones
Okay, well, let's talk about that.
Barnes was into some of the internal discussions with the two, trying to get him to run his running mate.
He believed they would do it.
The Stannis went ahead and decided to go ahead and run against Trump.
Barnes works for Trump, and that's no secret, so he's going with Trump.
It's not rocket science.
I like both men.
dan friesen
Wait, Barnes works for Trump?
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, Barnes works for Trump?
Is that legal?
dan friesen
You have him on the payroll.
jordan holmes
Is that legal?
dan friesen
I guess.
I mean, I don't know.
Does he work at InfoWars anymore?
He doesn't have his show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he's on a bit.
Like, that seems a mess.
jordan holmes
The ethics of something are wrong, then.
dan friesen
Can he work for Trump, who's running for office, and still gamble on elections?
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
There's a lot of questions here.
I didn't realize that Barnes worked for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's kind of fucking me up.
The ethical implications of this are wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then think about that caller who said...
jordan holmes
I think he might be indicted for campaign fighting!
dan friesen
Think about that caller who said that your show supports Trump.
Barnes works for Trump.
Roger might as well work for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have multiple Trump employees and...
Very adjacent people who are your experts on politics.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What the fuck do you think people are going to come away with the image of?
jordan holmes
No, again, campaign finance shit on this is accepting payment in kind.
This is being paid in advertising.
dan friesen
Yeah, in theory, depending on what his employment is with Trump, there is a paid programming kind of dynamic.
For him coming on, getting free airtime?
Theoretically free airtime.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's a good point.
And you have to assume that he works for Trump in some capacity as a lawyer.
dan friesen
You'd think.
jordan holmes
You'd think, right?
So that means that him discussing Trump's cases and all of that shit is weird.
Oh, man, I just...
More judges should know that Barnes works for Trump.
I just feel like that, if that's not everybody knows that, that shit's weird.
dan friesen
I think that I did, like, I did know that he was like...
Consulting with Trump at some point.
But I thought that was in the past.
I didn't realize...
Alex is saying this in the present tense.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, he could be exaggerating.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he could be lying about it, trying to increase your feelings that Barnes is close to Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
And it would be a good way to get out of this...
Question that the person's asking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't have to explain anything away other than, like, Barnes works for him.
Of course he supports Trump.
dan friesen
A deal he was working on fell through, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So this same caller has more questions.
unidentified
America is in dire straits.
We need somebody who's going to swing forward the fences.
And you do that, but Trump does not.
alex jones
Well, look, don't get me wrong.
I've been super critical of Trump.
unidentified
Really?
alex jones
And all the Hollywood-esque crap.
Jared Kushner.
I'm just simply saying, they're going after him fraudulently now.
unidentified
We cannot support that, even if you don't like Trump.
No, I agree they're going after him, but he spoke 95% of the time on his ego and how they molested his underwear, and then five minutes on all the other...
alex jones
No, I agree.
Why did he talk about his underwear and his passport?
He should have been on the attack.
But he says gold, like, I'm going to take down the deep state of the New World Order, and, you know, I just...
I mean, what am I supposed to then...
Okay, what am I supposed to support then?
Biden?
dan friesen
When we did our last 2004 episode, Alex was talking about Rush Limbaugh and the way that he equivocated and appealed to lesser of two evils arguments.
And you see Alex dealing with this caller and he has no better tools at his disposal.
Because on a very basic level, Alex understands that based on the stated principles that he has, he should not support Trump.
But...
His adjacency to power has made him so much money, and he understands how fruitful that game is.
He's addicted.
He's stuck in that space, and he can't get away from it.
It's fascinating.
It's such a case study.
If you just squint really hard so you can't see all the horrific bigotry and all these other things that are factors in Alex's content, such a fascinating case study of...
The damage that comes with having a brand that's being above politics and then recognizing how profitable it is to be invested in this electoral politics, but at the same time being unwilling to shed the veneer, the false character that you had at the beginning.
Your ego won't allow it, and your wallet can't resist it.
It's fascinating.
He's fucked himself over so hard.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
It's not like a fall.
unidentified
Mm-mm.
jordan holmes
No, it's like an adaptation.
dan friesen
But it's an adaptation that involves, like, tripping on something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tripping over his own past dead body.
dan friesen
I understand what you're saying.
It's not a fall from grace or anything like that.
But there is some sort of a pratfall that's involved.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I mean, I guess switching the grift isn't too much, but the grift relied on an...
Actual principle back then.
dan friesen
Or adherence to an imagined principle.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's probably a better way of putting it.
dan friesen
Because it wasn't really a principle.
jordan holmes
It wasn't really a principle, right.
But, I mean, it gave you the perception that it was, and that brand is what drove so much of the attention that he originally got.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it appealed, or it drove that appeal that went and tricked a lot of...
Maybe more center or left-leaning people to thinking this is some anti-establishment guy who really cares.
He's not just on some right-wing shit.
And I think that worked to his advantage quite a bit.
jordan holmes
The thought occurs to me that if I were to hear somebody talk about their indictment and then also talk about their underwear, I would think, this is an interesting person who shouldn't be president.
dan friesen
Yep.
Among other things.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's really not hard.
I feel like I got there so fast.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And somehow this caller took a long time, but he got there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this caller has some other thoughts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it leads Alex to revealing more off-air things that Andrew Napolitano definitely didn't tell him, but Alex now wants to say he did.
unidentified
You've got to strike when the iron is hot, and you've got to make your move when the time is appropriate.
The time for DeSantis to move has been recently...
alex jones
Well, listen, I had Judge Andrew DiPolotano on yesterday.
He talked to top Democrat fundraisers, top people.
He told me I could say it on air, but not the who-who.
And they said they actually want Trump because they think they can beat him.
And so that's basically what's going on.
They did this to energize Trump with his base.
So that Trump is the nominee to actually stop DeSantis.
The whole time we thought they wanted DeSantis, it looks like they want Trump, but it's super complex Machiavelli, and it's not like the globalists know everything.
dan friesen
Wow, this feels surprisingly like Alex making stuff up and then ascribing it to somebody else.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
It's not like the globalists know everything.
dan friesen
They do, according to Alex.
jordan holmes
That is the fundamental principle by which we are judging the globalists is their infinite power and planning.
dan friesen
They're down with the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the literal Christian devil.
dan friesen
They have access to, like, supernatural stuff.
Much like Alex does.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Odd.
Odd.
Hey, it's not like the globalists are all that powerful.
dan friesen
They whiff sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
What am I supposed to say?
The globalists always win?
I've been doing this for 20 years.
Come on now.
Jesus.
dan friesen
So yeah, now apparently they indicted Trump and arrested him in order to get his base excited as an attack on DeSantis.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is what the high-level people told Andrew Napolitano, which he said Alex could say on air but not say the names of the really elite people who said this.
jordan holmes
I love it when you're not allowed to say the names.
dan friesen
It's almost like it's made up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's made up.
jordan holmes
I mean, can't we not...
Deal with electoral politics when it's not happening.
You know?
Like, why are we always...
dan friesen
I'm not right now.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I'm just talking about Alex talking about it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
I'm just saying, like, as a country.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It feels like we did less.
In the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's make it an election year at least.
Maybe a year is too long for me, but at least one year is a round number that we can handle.
The forever is not fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's too much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's too much.
dan friesen
Yeah, we should probably do some reforms.
jordan holmes
We should.
Boy.
Boy howdy.
dan friesen
One or two.
So we have one last clip here, and it's another, because fucking Mike Adams comes in and takes over the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex leaves at like the third hour.
jordan holmes
He's got shit to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A hearing, undoubtedly.
So he gets another caller, and this caller makes a great point.
Interesting.
And then Alex hangs up on him.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Let's talk to Stan in Texas.
Go ahead, sir.
unidentified
Hey, so I think it's really interesting.
Trump's coming out in his speech, and he's talking about how Bragg and James...
We're going to get Trump and put him in jail or we're going to lock him up.
We saw so many Trump rallies where the main thing said there, every single Trump rally was lock her up.
Trump literally ran on that particular promise, which he couldn't even do.
He couldn't even get.
Anywhere near Hillary.
And I just got to say, it's ridiculous.
Also, Trump's speech was not hidden by the mainstream media.
Nearly everybody frigging covered it live.
You're crazy if you think that it didn't happen.
And you're lying if you are telling people that it's being censored.
It's not.
It's all over the place.
alex jones
Okay, well, a bunch of channels, I've got the articles right here, said they weren't going to carry it live.
So they played a few clips out of it.
So, I mean, you're saying Trump wasn't taking off Twitter and Facebook.
None of us are being censored.
I appreciate your worldview.
It's an interesting universe.
Good points.
All right, we're out of time.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're out of time.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, all right, no more calls.
jordan holmes
What a great runaway.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a great runaway.
dan friesen
So there's a really standard manipulation technique that Alex is employing there where he responds to a different point than what the caller brought up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The caller said that the media wasn't covering up Trump's speech and that some networks even aired it live.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To this point in the show, the only specific, like I mentioned, that Alex has even given is that Rachel Maddow said that Which Alex has now turned into like a media blackout.
jordan holmes
The whole blackout, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex knows that he has no leg to stand on here, he pretends that the caller is denied that Trump was kicked off Facebook and Twitter.
He has to put a position into the caller's mouth that he can mock because he can't defend his own position.
You notice that as soon as he pulled that maneuver, the next thing he does was hang up immediately and no more calls.
Because Alex, I think he can get the sense that this caller isn't going to be thrown by a very basic manipulation tactic.
He seems like somebody who has a thought in his head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and Alex can't...
At all handle the previous Hillary for prison lock her up stuff.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Just pretend that didn't even happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
He must have been thanking God that the guy...
dan friesen
There was a second point.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He was like, oh, sweet.
I can bullshit this one.
I've got nothing for lock her up.
dan friesen
Yeah, because in reality, the only way you can go...
Well, there's two ways.
You could say, like...
You know what?
That's a good point.
Maybe it's not such a bad thing that these people campaigned on that.
Or I guess the flip side could be like, yeah, in hindsight it was bad for Trump to do that.
We should do a moral inventory on this, check in, see how we're doing.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Either of those is one.
Either get rid of your complaints about brag or throw a complaint at Trump and yourself for that.
That's one way.
The other way is to say, yeah, With Hillary, it was real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The crimes were real.
In this case, it's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex probably, I don't know why he wouldn't think to do that.
It would be an easy...
jordan holmes
Because the crimes are real.
dan friesen
It would be an easy dodge within his narratives and stuff, but it would open a second stage of like, are you ready to defend that against somebody who may have a rebuttal?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
No, you are not.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
dan friesen
So he wouldn't want to argue that with...
Like, who he probably projects this caller to be.
Somebody who actually has some information and can think through things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's funny that, like, right before that, the caller pointed out how stupid Trump's speech was.
And then this caller was like...
They showed it.
Almost incredulous.
What are we doing here?
This was a terrible speech in the first place.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we know that because we saw it.
jordan holmes
We saw it!
dan friesen
Because they aired it.
jordan holmes
They aired it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
So, I think that the coverage in the time of Trump's arrest, not.
jordan holmes
It could be more insightful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that there is a feeling of kind of, not inevitability, but just a, like, fuck kind of thing going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't feel a lot of fighting, Alex.
I just feel like he's...
jordan holmes
I mean...
unidentified
But again, I think it's because he wants Trump to go to jail.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, no, totally.
dan friesen
It's the best possible thing for him.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
He should be happy with the way things are turning out, but I guess he's supposed to feign some kind of, I'm not happy about this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
And that's why he can't really make that argument against the Locker Up being like, oh, those are fake and these are real, because these are real, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I hope that we can...
Find something interesting for our next episode.
Maybe a present day thing.
Who knows?
But I was pretty disappointed that the day of the arrest did veer so strongly into that transphobic territory.
jordan holmes
That's too much.
dan friesen
It's just shit.
That's too much.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Right?
dan friesen
Yep.
I don't understand when the day of your god-king being arrested, that isn't foremost on your mind, and you have to veer into demonizing people.
It speaks to a real problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, to me, that is your we-will-fight-them-on-the-beaches moment.
dan friesen
Should be.
jordan holmes
Should be.
You know, that is the moment that you, as Alex Jones, based upon what you have been doing, This is when you rally even the people who criticize you.
dan friesen
Well, and I think that he thinks that's what he's doing.
But the way he's doing it is saying that he prefers Sharia law to LGBTQ acceptance.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that's terrible.
jordan holmes
Probably not good.
dan friesen
No.
Don't think that's going to be an appealing message to the left, the right, or the middle.
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
So we'll be back, Jordan, with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clarkski.
unidentified
Yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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