Today, Dan and Jordan push on in the hopes of making it to the Dean Scream in time for their upcoming live show. In this installment, Alex gets mad that no one compliments his ability to kill quail, and almost interviews a progressive activist. Click here to contribute to the Dreamy Creamy Fundraiser
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | |
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
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Hey, everybody. | |
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| Okay, I will go first. | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is there is a new season of Taskmaster from Australia. | ||
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What? | |
| The first Taskmaster Australia season is out. | ||
| If I had to guess, it's great. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| It's pretty great. | ||
| I will tell you this. | ||
| We've discussed the... | ||
| So far, I believe there's three now versions of Taskmaster. | ||
| There's New Zealand. | ||
| New Zealand, and Australia. | ||
| New Zealand, we discussed the New Zealand Alex position. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| The New Zealand Greg Davies position. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Absolute garbage. | ||
| It's a different vibe, and I understand. | ||
| I disagree in as much as I think that he... | ||
| It serves his role, but yeah, it's very much different than Greg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Australia? | ||
| Greg Davies' position? | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Alex Horne's position? | ||
| Garbage. | ||
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Ooh, no. | |
| It's a complete inversion of the form. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| They should mash them up. | ||
| I think so! | ||
| I'm telling you! | ||
| But I think that the Alex Horn on this one is missing the mark just by virtue of a few different little foibles. | ||
| He seems less completely reserved. | ||
| Part of it is you have to be completely deadpan. | ||
| He seems like he's smiling. | ||
| It's a little bit difficult to pull off. | ||
| There's a line. | ||
| I would say the Alex position is far harder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of the two jobs, the one where the guy shows up and talks all the time. | ||
| And is a pompous ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The one where the guy does all the work. | ||
| That one is the harder job, and we have no familiarity with those kind of dynamics. | ||
| But you also have to be, like you were saying, you have to walk that line of being funny and getting the joke, but also being all business. | ||
| You have to be a Dave Foley in news. | ||
| You have to be a perfect straight man. | ||
| Well, I have a growing suspicion that Australia is just better at media. | ||
| I mean, we'll see. | ||
| I mean, maybe not better than the UK in terms of shows that originate from the UK. | ||
| But, I mean, in terms of Survivor, they have killed the game. | ||
| Do you think it's because the woke mob hasn't gotten to Australia yet, Dan? | ||
| My man, you said it. | ||
| Thank God you said it. | ||
| Finally. | ||
| You know, it's nice to be able to talk. | ||
| You know, now that Alex's podcast is off the air, we don't need to worry about being made fun of. | ||
| Survivor, go woke, go broke. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| I just think... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know exactly what it is. | ||
| They're trying different things, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've got to watch this Taskmaster Australian. | ||
| I'll let you know. | ||
| The Australian challenge was pretty good. | ||
| I think the Australians know how to make a good reality TV show. | ||
| And that may be because Australia is only about three and a half miles away from the sun. | ||
| I think that could be it. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| It's real hot. | ||
| I mean, there are theories that abound. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll find out one day. | ||
| My bright spot, Jordan, is we are in this little bit of an interstitial period of things. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Inasmuch as we have our live shows coming up. | ||
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Correct. | |
| And also just finished sending out all the buttons and everything, so we're in that... | ||
| That little in-between place. | ||
| And so I decided what we're going to do is I'm going to close the fundraiser that we had for the buttons at the end of the week. | ||
| So if anybody would like to join in and throw some support to the Transgender Law Center that we have been raising the funds for with the buttons, I realize I haven't mentioned that in quite a while. | ||
| Yeah, it has been quite a while. | ||
| Maybe people have forgotten and maybe those... | ||
| Donations have completely dried up and what have you. | ||
| But if people would like to chip in for that, that would be wonderful. | ||
| Yeah, that's a great idea. | ||
| And also, we had a second person who got a Wonka button. | ||
| Ooh, we got a second Wonka button! | ||
| So this is Kristen out there, got the second Bright Spot button. | ||
| And so a donation has been made to the charity of their choice. | ||
| Which is gender justice. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| So spectacular. | ||
| Thank you for that. | ||
| And also, here's the thing. | ||
| Let's write that down. | ||
| Gender justice. | ||
| Kristen reached out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A while ago. | ||
| And here's what happened. | ||
| As is our want. | ||
| It went to the email that you monitor. | ||
| And you forwarded it to me. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I was going to say, I can't believe that I would have just skipped that one. | ||
| You forwarded it to me. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I saw it and was like, look at that. | ||
| And forgot that I need to do something. | ||
| The protocols didn't kick in. | ||
| It seemed like an announcement less than a, oh, I need to do something about this. | ||
| And so it completely slipped my mind until I was going through all of the buttons to finish all that up. | ||
| And I found that the email was also in there. | ||
| But it took forever to get to the point where I got to that because of the fucking thousands of emails. | ||
| I mean, I would say something in the neighborhood of 15,000 to 17,000 buttons sent out to people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Countries all over, every continent except Antarctica, which I don't know if we would be able to get any buttons down there. | ||
| Yeah, we would have to send a person to do that. | ||
| That's an emissary requirement. | ||
| Here's what I'll say. | ||
| Because they live underground. | ||
| The button requests are done. | ||
| And we'd have to escape the Nazis. | ||
| True. | ||
| Unless they are reformed and want buttons. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, no, not gonna happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But the button requests are closed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| However, if you are in Antarctica, I will make an exception. | ||
| I will send you a button only if you are in Antarctica. | ||
| And this is truly because it would be really fucking cool just if there was some random person in Antarctica. | ||
| Yeah, because we need to hit all the continents. | ||
| We've got to hit all the continents. | ||
| Is Antarctica a continent? | ||
| Antarctica is a continent. | ||
| What a relief. | ||
| So anyway, congratulations, Kristen. | ||
| Congratulations, Kristen! | ||
| I don't think the other Wonka button is ever going to be... | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I think it's got lost to the mail, heading to Scotland, probably. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I know it was international. | ||
| I don't know if it was going to Scotland. | ||
| Well, there's still time. | ||
| There's still time. | ||
| I don't think there is, because I sent it months ago. | ||
| All right, well, that is an issue. | ||
| Yeah, that one's gone. | ||
| Maybe they just don't know that they got the special button, because it's been so long since they... | ||
| I mean, I don't even remember what it looks like. | ||
| It's got a treasure chest on it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It says, what's your bright spot? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So maybe somebody got it and was like, what a great button, and had no idea that that was one of the golden buttons. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| And calling them the golden button was a big mistake, because one of the regular buttons was bright yellow. | ||
| That is the... | ||
| And so I think there was some miscommunications there. | ||
| The Wonka reference was not a literal reference, which is an unfortunate part. | ||
| Anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And I... | ||
| This is in spirit of that interstitial period we have dealt with in the bright spot, the buttons. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Now we come to the episode where we discuss the march up to the live shows. | ||
| So I realized that I had made a number of jokes that weren't jokes about how one of our live shows I want to be about the Howard Dean scream. | ||
| It was very much not a joke. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that seemed very doable. | ||
| It did. | ||
| Because we had a bit of time before the live show and it was like, hey, that happened in January. | ||
| That was in the early times of the primaries. | ||
| Running up on it. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| What I didn't realize was from the point we were at to when that happens was 20-something days in 2003 time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is a lot to get through in terms of our pace. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And I was like, that's gonna be fucking impossible. | ||
| Yeah, what's that? | ||
| 60 hours? | ||
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Uh. | |
| 80 hours? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| 90? | ||
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That could be. | |
| Because it's three hours. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, no, it's not 30 days, but you get the point. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's a lot. | ||
| But even so, even if listening to all of it and going through it was a ton, presenting it on the show, we didn't have enough episodes to get through by the time we have the live shows. | ||
| So that was a challenge. | ||
| And I realized maybe the dream was dead. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| Oh, I was going to say, did the episode end? | ||
| The dream was just asleep, and I had to wake up the dream. | ||
| The dream got woke and went broke. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| How many more rhymes do we got? | ||
| So here's the situation. | ||
| I started going through the 2003, of course. | ||
| I'm going through it. | ||
| And we got a little bit lucky because part of the time between where we were in December and where the scream happens in January. | ||
| Christmas break. | ||
| And New Year's. | ||
| And New Year's break. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so there were a number of episodes that Alex just wasn't there. | ||
| Don't need them. | ||
| Some reruns. | ||
| Strike them off. | ||
| And what have you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then you also run into a situation where he's not trying. | ||
| It's the end of the year. | ||
| It's the beginning of the year. | ||
| We've all been there. | ||
| We've all been there. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| Nothing is going on. | ||
| In earnest on January 4th or 5th at best. | ||
| You're being very generous. | ||
| So we are going to be able to sort of... | ||
| Smash forward a little bit. | ||
| And actually, today's episode will be mostly about January 8th, which is where we jump back into anything that I felt meant anything. | ||
| So, you can imagine there was a lot of listening to... | ||
| Yeah, how many? | ||
| That's two full weeks of shows that you skipped over? | ||
| Almost three? | ||
| I didn't skip over that. | ||
| I'm allowing you to. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Apologies, apologies. | ||
| I mean in your explications. | ||
| Treading water. | ||
| Just nothing. | ||
| And I think, it should be said, I think a large part of why these episodes were a little bit... | ||
| Is there were much less calls. | ||
| And I don't think that his calls are good in 2003, but I do think that there's something in how they change the presentation of the show. | ||
| Like, it breaks up his clear non-coverage of stories. | ||
| His rants are monotonous and boring, and so the calls kind of give a sidetrack from that. | ||
| And a lot of the guests that he has back in 2003 aren't very interesting either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so having a balance of, you know, guests who maybe is aligned with white supremacists and Nazis, but they don't talk about it, calls, mini-rants. | ||
| And then just rattling off headlines. | ||
| It kind of works. | ||
| But if you take the calls out of it, you're left with just stuff. | ||
| It's like a bread sandwich. | ||
| The calls provide the element of chaos that makes listening to the stayed almost kind of monotonous bullshit worth it. | ||
| And sometimes they inform whatever happens with the rest of the show. | ||
| Like the last time when Alex got really mad at the guy who said... | ||
| There are no planes in Vietnam. | ||
| Dan, there are no planes in Vietnam. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They wouldn't let us fly them! | ||
| You'd describe it as chaos, and certainly it is, but it's also something else. | ||
| It's also something else. | ||
| It's also creation. | ||
| And I think that during this period, yeah, like I was saying, there's less calls, and I think that hurts things. | ||
| But anyway, we're going to jump into January 8th, and a little bit before that, along the way, because there's a couple of points that I think are relevant. | ||
| But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, happy anniversary, sleeping Tootie from one charming lizard to another baby. | ||
| Love, pep pep. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Bilbo Baggins boobs. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I think I might have said that one already in the past. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
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I don't think there's... | |
| Our inbox isn't good. | ||
| Never a bad time. | ||
| Next, big floppy accordion penis. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Sometimes we have these long, clever, like, take-you-on-a-journey ones, and sometimes there's something real satisfying about just a big, nice, old, floppy penis. | ||
| And hi, Mom. | ||
| I'm on the internet. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Good day. | ||
| Juxtaposition. | ||
| And we got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So first, Ritual Satanic Barbecue Sauce. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| Thank you so much, too. | ||
| I listened to 200 episodes in two months, and all I got was this lousy wonk drop. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And this one actually... | ||
| I mean, look, I'm getting put on blast, but I accept it because, you know, I didn't realize it, but it is something that I do. | ||
| And thank you so much. | ||
| Dan, there is no P in the word something. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken off the air! | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He's not! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And he never has been! | ||
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Nope. | |
| And he's not so great in 2003. | ||
| Like I said, it's a lazy slog. | ||
| He kind of is checked out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What have you. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But there is very little conversation at all about the primaries that are coming up. | ||
| He's very much anti-Bush, obviously, but there's no real conversation about John Edwards, John Kerry, even Howard Dean. | ||
| Who is the presumptive frontrunner coming into the primaries. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Although tenuous frontrunner, I think, would be a fair way to describe it, because once the primaries start, he's not very strong. | ||
| It was fairly wide open at that point, because Bush had an iron grip on the world, and yeah. | ||
| He did, you know, he was doing quite well, and there was a lot of excitement about his candidacy, but he... | ||
| Underperformed from the jump, I would say. | ||
| But even as it may, before the primaries got going, there was a lot of Dean conversation. | ||
| And so Alex, on December 29th, brings up Howard Dean, and it turns out, does not like him. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Well, don't worry, the snake Dean, Howard Dean blasts Bush over mad cow scare. | ||
| I say that because I've been studying Dean and watching him. | ||
| That guy's got evil in his eyes and evil in his actions. | ||
| He says Bush didn't do enough quickly enough to stem the tide of panic, and he says we need federal control and federal funding to help you ranchers. | ||
| And I'm not saying I like Bush. | ||
| My point is, these guys are all globalist trash, folks. | ||
| He's another Yale boy. | ||
| Yeah, so the audio on that episode is also borderline unusable. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's pretty, pretty bad. | ||
| But yeah, he hates Dean. | ||
| He's evil. | ||
| Dean's a snake. | ||
| Snake Dean. | ||
| Sneaky snake Dean. | ||
| He's putting us all on double secret probation. | ||
| Yeah, he's helped Mad Cow. | ||
| Yeah, I do appreciate how Alex tries to turn even the best things into like, oh, he wants to help ranchers. | ||
| Like, no, I mean, yeah, he does. | ||
| You can say it weird, but that is what he wants. | ||
| There is a lot of mad cow talk during this time. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It was a very hot issue. | ||
| Cows are pissed. | ||
| And Alex has some weird thoughts. | ||
| Belief seems to be that there is so much more mad cow than people are saying. | ||
| Wait, so there's a ton of mad cow? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And most Alzheimer's is actually mad cow. | ||
| Okay, but he also doesn't think... | ||
| Dean should say we should do anything about it. | ||
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Well... | |
| It's unclear. | ||
| Alex is in a tough position because obviously a lot of the transmission of Mad Cow comes from feeding cows, dead cows, or contamination of food supplies for farm animals. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Wash your hands, everybody. | ||
| The issue there is, ah, how do we solve this? | ||
| Regulation and enforcement of regulation. | ||
| And so that puts Alex in a little bit of a bind. | ||
| And so he doesn't really have much to say other than... | ||
| He throws out the term Crutzfeld Jacob a lot. | ||
| And I guess he thinks that that just proves all his points. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's like, oh, it's just Alzheimer's. | ||
| Most cases are mad cow. | ||
| It's just Alzheimer's. | ||
| Well, no, that's not fair. | ||
| He's not minimizing Alzheimer's. | ||
| Right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| He's saying that it's so much more prevalent. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| We all are already living with it. | ||
| They're trying to attack the small rancher and kill off their cows. | ||
| So the problem isn't that there's a lot of mad cow. | ||
| The problem is that they've been covering up how much mad cow there has been for so long. | ||
| And they're making a big deal out of it now in order to attack the small ranchers and put them out of business. | ||
| The people who Howard Dean wants to help. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| So we enter a down period where there's not much going on. | ||
| And then we jump back in here on January 5th. | ||
| And I'm not actually even sure this is super relevant, but Alex talks a little bit about Bush, and this is weird. | ||
| And this weekend, listening to talk radio, I heard the big national host, two separate ones, praising him. | ||
| Oh, he got some quail. | ||
| Oh, he's such a hunter. | ||
| Did you see him with that chainsaw? | ||
| He's such a Texan. | ||
| I mean, this would be like if I went to New York and started talking about what a great New Yorker I am. | ||
| I'm tired of it, folks. | ||
| It's admitted that the Crawford Ranch is a set, complete with old tractors, hay bales, everything. | ||
| It is a set. | ||
| And a couple times a year, Bush goes out with a chainsaw, a giant chainsaw, and will cut one-inch trees. | ||
| And it's just mindless. | ||
| I'm just sick of it. | ||
| Oh, he's such a good country boy. | ||
| He's like John Wayne. | ||
| I can't handle any more of it, folks. | ||
| I'm a, I don't know, 6th, 7th plus generation Texan. | ||
| I think more than that. | ||
| What, 1829? | ||
| Spanish land grants, 1830. | ||
| On my father's side of the family, my mother's side, German immigrants. | ||
| In the 1840s. | ||
| So you're illegal immigrants. | ||
| And it doesn't matter, but it's just a symptom of all the other phoniness. | ||
| The turkey put together by some chef presented to the troops. | ||
| No one was allowed to eat it. | ||
| The fable of Jessica Lynch, that being a fabrication. | ||
| Bush and the Maiden USA boxes behind him last year. | ||
| Up in St. Louis, made in USA, it was really made in China. | ||
| My point is, it's an illusion. | ||
| It was an illusion with Bill Clinton, it's an illusion with George Bush, and so many people, I mean, they think, wow, he's out hunting for quail, he must be pro-Second Amendment. | ||
| That's what this neocon was saying this weekend. | ||
| Then I flip channels, hear another one praising him. | ||
| Oh, he's so wonderful. | ||
| You know how hard it is to... | ||
| To shoot quail? | ||
| He's so manly. | ||
| Shooting quail is about the easiest thing there is on the face of the planet. | ||
| You find quail, and you've got a shotgun. | ||
| Only a complete moron couldn't shoot him. | ||
| It's a ground bird. | ||
| I've shot giant stacks of them. | ||
| I've never missed. | ||
| I'm just tired of it. | ||
| I can't handle it anymore. | ||
| Why are you so mad about people? | ||
| Being like, oh, Bush got a quail. | ||
| You know, I think for people who have such deep-seated roots in a place, the idea of some carpetbagger coming in and putting on these affectations, someone acting as though they were somebody who didn't have millions of dollars, acting as though they were like the everyman, someone who didn't have even one boat. | ||
| You know, they were trying to act like something they weren't. | ||
| You know, I think that made him really angry to see someone else act like a thing that they were not actually themselves. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I get what you're putting down there. | ||
| Yeah, I was being real subtle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's a mix of that and maybe just a little jealousy that no one gives him credit. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| It's jealousy, yes. | ||
| No one gives me credit for being a big manly man who shoots stacks of quails. | ||
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It's jealousy. | |
| It's 100%. | ||
| 100% jealousy. | ||
| I want people to say how great a Texan I am. | ||
| That's why I'm going to vote for the guy who I think will call me the Texan in the White House. | ||
| True. | ||
| He's wrapped up in that identity. | ||
| He's wrapped up in that identity. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, sure. | ||
| I guess their Crawford Ranch isn't like a fully operating ranch, but like, how could it be? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have... | ||
| Lives in the city. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is Alex's family ranch a fully operating ranch? | ||
| And Alex works on it for 14 hours every day while researching, while also recording his show. | ||
| I don't think it was, but I think recently, if you remember, Alex says his dad's getting back into cattle. | ||
| Yes, I do recall that. | ||
| So maybe there's some cattle on the ranch now. | ||
| I do recall that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I just felt like, ooh, this is interpersonal. | ||
| This isn't political. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| This is Alex. | ||
| That's his heart. | ||
| In his feelings. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, again, a little bit of a dull stretch, and we get to January 8th, and we get some Dean business. | ||
| Finally, we get into the meat. | ||
| Well, a scandal has broken out. | ||
| A scandal? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| This was not something I remembered. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we know that they stage. | ||
| We know that it's an advertisement technique of propaganda. | ||
| It's a pitch, okay? | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| They're using high-tech advertisement techniques to sell us an image, to sell us an idea, that they're our saviors, give our rights up, they'll keep us safe. | ||
| But the hypocrisy comes in here. | ||
| This is off Rush Limbaugh's website. | ||
| The making of the money shot. | ||
| And it says, did any of you wonder when you saw this photo of Howard Dean and Bill Bradley Tuesday in Iowa, how the diminutive Dr. Dean, who claims to be 5 '8 and 3 quarters, appears the same size as 6 '5 former NBA star? | ||
| We did, too. | ||
| Well, the images below, grabbed from CNN's coverage, show us how that feat was pulled off with some skillful platform. | ||
| Click the panels for larger images, and they've got a clip to provide. | ||
| And to see what's afoot. | ||
| I got a video clip. | ||
| In the first frame, Bradley is speaking, and you'll notice that he's standing on a platform while Dean watches far in the background. | ||
| When Bradley introduces Dean, they switch places. | ||
| Dean steps up, and Bradley steps down. | ||
| The series of images show, from behind, how their position switch puts them at a relatively equal height. | ||
| Having duped their willing accomplices in the media, and they think all of us, you idiots in America, they turn for the money shot, and suddenly our vertically challenged Democrat frontrunner is as tall as the imposing looking as the former NBA superstar endorsing him. | ||
| And yes, this is how they stage things, but that's the oldest thing in the book for politicians that aren't very tall to have a box. | ||
| So, the scandal is Rush Limbaugh is really mad that they gave a box or a platform so Howard Dean would look as tall as Bill Bradley, which no one in their right mind would think is, like, they're standing on level platforms if they are appearing to be the same height. | ||
| Because he's a tall man. | ||
| Now, while I recognize that it is 2003, which is the past, and I remember all of us being much, much less sophisticated back then, but I truly believe that no one was like, wow, look at 6 '5 Howard Dean. | ||
| I don't think anybody thought that. | ||
| One of the... | ||
| Big photos that you can find here, if you'll look at my screen there, that's from Getty Images. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it shows... | ||
| It clearly shows Bill Bradley, again, no one... | ||
| Substantially taller. | ||
| He was in the NBA. | ||
| No one could possibly... | ||
| Here's what I would accept. | ||
| If it was a guy my height, six feet tall, and... | ||
| And he looked exactly my height. | ||
| And we're only talking about, you know, zhuzhing a few inches in there. | ||
| It's like his dating profile height. | ||
| You know, like, I'm 5 '10 on my dating profile. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| You know, maybe that's a little bit of possible deception. | ||
| Possible staging. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Well, he said he's 5 '8 and 3 quarters. | ||
| That's bad enough. | ||
| But Bill Bradley is the height of Michael fucking Jordan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no way that you're going to be like, oh, I think that is him. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I also wasn't fully paying attention as I was listening to this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I got distracted by something, and I thought they were talking about Sean Bradley, and I was like, that's going to be tough to cheat. | ||
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You're going to need a big platform. | |
| I mean, better than Marion Bradley, I suppose. | ||
| How tall was Marion Bradley? | ||
| He was 6 '8". | ||
| Sean Bradley was 7 '7". | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That would be better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sean Bradley and Bill Bradley were next to each other. | ||
| They need to cheat it. | ||
| Sean Bradley, we're next to Bill Bradley, we're next to Howard Dean. | ||
| That's like your chart of evolution is what that is. | ||
| That's like a roller coaster slope downward. | ||
| Tony Hawk should jump off of the ramp place that they're all three holding. | ||
| So I thought this was pretty petty and maybe not that interesting. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| And I was getting ready to judge Alex for it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But then there's a twist. | ||
| Okay, of course there's a twist. | ||
| Alex doesn't really care about this. | ||
| Okay, but why would Rush Limbaugh sit there and make a big deal out of Howard Dean trying to look tall compared to people committing felonies? | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Or handing out fake turkeys. | ||
| And I've heard these very talk show hosts, these neocunts. | ||
| They don't care about open borders. | ||
| They don't care about Bush planning to sign the assault weapons ban. | ||
| They don't care about all the sellout of Taiwan to China. | ||
| They don't care about that. | ||
| They squealed when Hillary went to Afghanistan to present turkeys to the troops. | ||
| And of course it was a staged event. | ||
| Yes, it's obvious. | ||
| But it was bad when she did it, and simultaneously, I heard it on one big national show in the same ten minutes, good when Bush does it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, you got it, man. | ||
| You figured out how American politics work. | ||
| I thought it was interesting that you have this stupid critique of the presumptive Democratic frontrunner in the primaries, and Alex resists taking that and actually aims the critique at Rush Limbaugh and these folks who are like, well, you know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| mad at Bush doing photo ops and stuff. | ||
| I thought that was interesting because it's a small, maybe not that important point. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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But it's... | |
| It's at least, like, I can't really argue with it. | ||
| It is more interesting than what Rush Limbaugh did. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's an achievement for Alex. | ||
| We should all be very proud of him in 2003. | ||
| Well, he's prioritizing a pot shot at Limbaugh over Dean, which is something. | ||
| While at the same time wrapping it all up in his other meaningless pot shot towards other people staging bullshit. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, ultimately, none of it means anything. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And neither does this next call. | ||
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I just wanted another comment. | |
| I used to work at this television show. | ||
| I don't know if I should say the name, because it might give them a bad name. | ||
| You can say the name of anything you want, sir. | ||
| It's called the First Amendment. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Well, that's what I'm about to get to. | ||
| A friend of mine I work with, I used to roommate with him, but I moved out because he was just complete. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's, I guess, Jerk, maybe. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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And I brought up a couple of points. | |
| You know, I was like, yeah, you should listen to this guy on the radio. | ||
| He's like, well, radio shows are blah, blah, blah, and trying to talk bad about you or something, trying to just say that you tell lies and all this. | ||
| And I was like, you know, no, he makes complete sense to me. | ||
| I'm, I think, outside the box, you know. | ||
| And I guess he's just brainwashed or something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I tried to tell him about Pearl Harbor and how the president knew about it as it's like two weeks in advance. | ||
| And he's like, no, they didn't know that. | ||
| Well, that document's declassified in public now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And everybody at the work thought I was crazy or some terrorist. | ||
| They labeled me anti-American just because I believe the president's not a good person and the government can't be trusted, you know? | ||
| And I thought that was... | ||
| It made me really mad because, I mean... | ||
| So I guess all the founding fathers are terrorists because they said don't trust the government. | ||
| All the founding fathers who... | ||
| Made the government. | ||
| Anyway, yeah, this guy is wrong. | ||
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So is Alex. | |
| Yep. | ||
| It is not widely documented and declassified that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor bombing two weeks in advance. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been an issue. | ||
| That is an interesting conspiracy theory that has come down from the sort of anti-interventionists of that time. | ||
| Obviously, a lot of people had the let's not get into the war argument, and not all of them were Nazi sympathizers. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But I do think a lot of the ones who maybe drifted towards these conspiracy theories Might have had some overlap with people who had some maybe sympathies. | ||
| That doesn't sound true. | ||
| But then the two weeks in advance and the declassified stuff, a lot of that has to do with a book called Day of Deceit by a guy named Robert Stinnett. | ||
| And it's all just nonsense. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| I think we would have found out if time travel had existed through that last clip. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| How do you mean? | ||
| Because if time travel existed, then once Alex said, Sir, you can say anything you want, it's called the First Amendment, future Alex would have tackled him off of the stage and been like, Hey man, you cannot say whatever you want! | ||
| I get it! | ||
| I wanted that guy to say what TV show he worked on. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That would have been interesting. | ||
| I think it was Law& Order. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would bet dollars to donuts that... | ||
| You'd never have heard of the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not because of the time that it was 2003. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It would have been a show that no one had ever heard of and might have been on local access. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That would make sense. | ||
| So at least we got a call. | ||
| Yeah, that's good. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The reason I decided... | ||
| He actually worked on Aqua Teen Hunger Force. | ||
| In 2003? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that concurrent? | ||
| I think it wasn't that far off. | ||
| I may be like three years off. | ||
| That's weird to think about. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird to think about. | ||
| Let's not dwell any longer on how old we are. | ||
| So, the reason I decided to stop on January 8th was I heard that Alex had a guest on that I got pretty excited about. | ||
| And it's a guy named Brett Bercy. | ||
| He's a guy who is a progressive... | ||
| Activist. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And has been for a very long time. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And he had been arrested for protesting Bush in 2002. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| And so I thought, like, well, this dynamic is going to be fascinating. | ||
| And so Alex discusses his arrest a little bit here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The Justice Department is now prosecuting Brett Bursey. | ||
| ...who was arrested for holding a No War for Oil sign at a Bush visit to Columbus, South Carolina. | ||
| Local police, acting under Secret Service orders, established a free speech zone half a mile from where Bush would speak. | ||
| Bursey was standing amid hundreds of people hearing signs praising the president. | ||
| Police told Bursey to remove himself to a free speech zone. | ||
| Bursey refused and was arrested. | ||
| Bursey said that he asked the police officer... | ||
| It was the content of my sign, and he said, yes, sir, it's the content of your sign, that's the problem. | ||
| So this is a little bit of a pickle, because in many ways, Alex is on the right side of the issue here. | ||
| In as much as it is true that Bush and his administration were not respectful of protesters' rights, and there are a myriad of examples of people who received punishments they probably shouldn't have because of that. | ||
| On the other hand, Alex is full of shit, and he doesn't even deal with this story appropriately, which I contest is a testament to how unreliable Alex Jones is as a person to listen to. | ||
| Even when he's making an argument you agree with, You can't really be sure he's making that argument on a basis that you should agree with. | ||
| And you can really never know if the things that he's saying are accurate and true. | ||
| And what's most important is you cannot trust him even if he does help you out with whatever it is you're doing. | ||
| I expect him to immediately change his mind instantly. | ||
| It's a liability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is a story about this guy named Brent Bursey, who's a longtime South Carolina progressive activist. | ||
| When I say longtime, I mean that he was arrested for vandalizing the Selective Service offices in 1970 over his opposition to the war in Vietnam. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| He has a huge resume, and this is far from the first time he was arrested. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And when you get right down to it, if you look at his record, it doesn't seem like he and Alex would get along at all. | ||
| flag which Alex would take issue with hell yeah he protested the candidacy of Lester Maddox for Georgia governor in 1966 Maddox was a segregationist who would go on to win the election and be a supporter of George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign which employed most of the people who formed Alex's ideology like Gary Allen yeah beyond that he was a member of the Southern Student Organizing Committee which would later be folded into the Students' For a democratic society. | ||
| And I think you can guess what Alex's forefathers in the John Birch Society had to say about them. | ||
| Oh no, they loved it. | ||
| They were definitely not communist sympathizers. | ||
| He founded and is still the director of the South Carolina Progressive Network, who advocate around issues of social justice, including LGBTQ rights, which Alex is a staunch opponent of. | ||
| Wait, still now or still in 2003? | ||
| Still now. | ||
| Still 2023. | ||
| Damn, this dude is a... | ||
| Fuck yeah, man! | ||
| In short, if there ever was a lifelong globalist agitator, according to Alex's ideology, Brett Bercy would fit that bill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As for the issue of his arrest in 2002, there's some fudging of details here in order to sell the story, but at the same time, it is almost certainly nonsense that he was arrested. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| The hangar is where the rally was taking place, not where Bush was landing, just to be clear. | ||
| He still had to get there to the hangar. | ||
| The restricted area was not fully restricted the whole time. | ||
| This is the piece that Alex isn't clarifying when he says that Bercy was standing among hundreds of people. | ||
| He definitely was, at one point, because the restricted area was free for pedestrians to mill about until pretty shortly before Bush arrived. | ||
| The people who were attending the rally needed to wait in line to get in, people who were waiting in line for tickets were there, and there were people with signs within the restricted area until it was shut down. | ||
| Once the restricted areas became restricted, the ticketed rally attendees went into the hangar and everyone else was asked to exit the area, which according to court documents was what happened, except with Bercy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Percy has said that the officer said the content of his sign was the problem, but outside of this statement, I can't find corroboration of that. | ||
| It's entirely possible that it was said, or it's possible that the content of his sign definitively indicated that he was not a ticketed rally-goer, so that meant that the protocol would be, you have to move along. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know you didn't buy a ticket. | ||
| It wouldn't be plausible for the officer to think, hey, maybe you're waiting in line to get in at that point. | ||
| Fuck George Bush, I hope he gets lit on- Yeah, you didn't buy a ticket, sir. | ||
| Go on. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Use my $20? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| It seems unlikely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, none of this is to say that he should have been arrested, but the particulars of it are not really being accurately conveyed, I don't believe. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But, I mean, even then, the larger issue is that there were free speech zones, and that's fucked up, and everything about that was going to lead to him being arrested if you, you know, fight long enough. | ||
| Well, I mean, it becomes a pretty hard question of at what point is it an abuse of restricting areas? | ||
| And at what point is it a common sense, rational need to protect people? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think they're probably a bit on the wrong side of it. | ||
| I think the Bush administration probably did abuse some of that restricted area ability. | ||
| I appreciate the... | ||
| I think they probably... | ||
| Come on. | ||
| But I also don't think, in principle, it's blanket wrong to have restricted areas when there are people who should be the target of someone throwing a shoe, for example. | ||
| I recognize what you're saying. | ||
| But again, he had that shoe coming. | ||
| So we have a lot of... | ||
| You have to balance some things, and I do think that this was out of balance. | ||
| But at the same time, it's important to wrestle with that, I think. | ||
| And Alex is giving no time. | ||
| Yeah, it's easier to say, hey, that was fucked up, but it's a lot harder to say, how do we fix that and make sure it doesn't happen? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the misrepresentations, I believe, keep going. | ||
| Berzy stated that he had already moved 200 yards from where Bush was supposed to speak. | ||
| Berzy later complained the problem was the restricted area kept moving. | ||
| It was wherever I happened to be standing. | ||
| That is also not accurate. | ||
| What happened is that Bercy set up shop on the southwest corner of Airport Boulevard in Lexington Drive with signs and a megaphone. | ||
| When he was approached by officers, he decided to cross the street and go to the northwest corner of the same intersection. | ||
| Both of these corners were within the restricted zone. | ||
| The zone didn't move to wherever he was, he just wasn't aware of where the boundaries were. | ||
| I don't fully fault Bercy for this one because from everything I can tell, the boundaries of the zone may not have been well communicated in as much as there weren't barriers up and stuff to fully say you have to be behind this line. | ||
| The boundaries of the zone were wherever it was the cops felt comfortable with people being outside of the zone. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
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Right. | |
| It was an established area. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was set. | ||
| I mean, the line, though. | ||
| There wasn't an exact line. | ||
| There was, but it wasn't demarcated. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that could give the appearance that it is arbitrary or wherever the police wanted it to be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But from everything I can tell from looking at the court documents, that is not the case. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, again, if you're going to have a restricted zone, put orange cones up. | ||
| It feels absurd. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| You know, it feels absurd that we're here. | ||
| It was fully explained to him by the officers. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But yes, I totally agree. | ||
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Put up orange cones. | |
| Just put up some fucking cones. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| At the very least, there should be physical representations of, like, this is the line. | ||
| Please stay behind the line for everyone's safety. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the other version of, you know, like, oh, people bought tickets. | ||
| We need to make sure that this area is safe. | ||
| Keeping that line and making that something that people are aware of is the same thing. | ||
| It's keeping them safe. | ||
| You cannot have a question about that, otherwise that's going to become a point of contention. | ||
| True. | ||
| And then you're going to get into an argument. | ||
| So there's pretty severe consequences coming from this. | ||
| Bursey was charged with trespassing. | ||
| Five months later, the charge was dropped because of South Carolina. | ||
| Law prohibits arresting people for trespassing on public property, but the Justice Department, in the person of U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr., quickly jumped in, charging Berzy with violating a rarely enforced federal law regarding entering a restricted area around the President of the United States. | ||
| If convicted, Berzy faces a six-month trip up the river and a $5,000 fine. | ||
| Federal magistrate Bristow Marchette denied Berzy's request for a jury trial. | ||
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Right. | |
| It seems completely insane to me that Strom Thurmond Jr. would deem this something worth wasting public resources on to recharge this case, but you can see his name, so you shouldn't expect much from this guy. | ||
| Can't imagine a Strom really being on the wrong side of history. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| I mean, he is Strom Thurmond's son. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then his son is named Strom Thurmond III. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And, like, I don't blame him for being named Strom Thurmond Jr. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He didn't choose that. | ||
| But now that he's got a third, it's his fault. | ||
| Yeah, that's on him. | ||
| What's so great about the name Strom? | ||
| You know what I love most about America is that we decided, at the very beginning, we decided, Declaration of Independence, no aristocracy, Dan. | ||
| No entrenched ruling class. | ||
| No more of this. | ||
| Transferring power from the king to his son to the sun. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| It's all about merit, Dan. | ||
| That's what America's about. | ||
| And that's why we need to repeal the death tax. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
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All right. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| So Alex is also, he's discussing this punishment that Bursey could face in terms of, like, absolute worst-case scenarios, which were never going to be applied. | ||
| In the end, he got convicted and he had to pay a $500 fine with a $10 assessment on top. | ||
| That was the verdict that came down on January 6th, two days before Alex is doing this episode. | ||
| She has every reason to know that he's full of shit about what the consequences were here. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Percy appealed his case and the court upheld the lower court's judgment. | ||
| It seems really fucking stupid and the abuse of these free speech zones was a big issue in the early 2000s. | ||
| Leading the charge against these free speech zones... | ||
| And all this was none other than Alex's mortal enemy, the ACLU, who constantly seemed to be doing the things that Alex wishes someone would do. | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Weird. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, it's almost like if Alex believed the things that he was saying, his career would look eerily similar. | ||
| I mean, he'd at least recognize that this isn't like the evil globalist cabal tendril that he pretends it is. | ||
| They're constantly doing the things that he screams about needing to be done. | ||
| Well, for the most part. | ||
| Maybe not all the time, because some of his ideas are a little bit nuts. | ||
| So anyway, you heard there at the end that he's not going to get a jury trial. | ||
| And that's the case. | ||
| Federal Magistrate Bristow. | ||
| Marchette denied Bursey's request for a jury trial. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Another little caveat. | ||
| I thought we got those. | ||
| Because his violation is categorized as a petty offense. | ||
| I love this stuff. | ||
| They've got laws all over the country where they take your house. | ||
| If you leave town, your 20-year-old son has a beer party. | ||
| They've got several cities in New Mexico do this. | ||
| And then they come in and take your house, and you can't have a trial because... | ||
| Well, it's a city ordinance, but the ordinance says they take your house, but you don't get a trial. | ||
| Man, I've been to all kinds of beer parties in my life. | ||
| A ton of them were at people's parents' houses. | ||
| A bunch of them got busted up by the cops. | ||
| I guess I was lucky that I grew up in Missouri where you don't lose your home if your child has a beer party while you're out of town. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been a real interesting next day at school. | ||
| You know, like, hey, what happened? | ||
| That party you threw was so great last night. | ||
| I mean, I left a little bit early, so I heard the cops came. | ||
| What happened next? | ||
| I don't have a home anymore. | ||
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Oh, you don't have a home. | |
| And I can't count the number of times me and my buddies would be hanging out and they're like, you're going to the beer party tonight? | ||
| Better watch out, they might steal your folks' house. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's a party, but it's not a beer party. | ||
| We got vodka this time. | ||
| Oh, well, they can't do anything about that. | ||
| We got a jungle juice party. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Better lock the doors, otherwise the cops will steal it. | ||
| And this is part of the reason why... | ||
| It isn't useful necessarily to listen to Alex in order to, even to get a good point. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You can get that good point articulated more really and more honestly and just as well somewhere else. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Maybe it won't be as entertaining. | ||
| Maybe the person isn't going to scream, like Terry Gross isn't going to scream. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| You might get better information that can be more useful to your life. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I mean, what you've done is made a really compelling point for why both Alex and the media are really incapable of doing a good job, which is that... | ||
| Alex is able to sensationalize this story to the point where maybe you would find it more interesting than if it were to be told in the media. | ||
| However, it is far less accurate. | ||
| Whereas the media doesn't know how to sensationalize an accurate story without relying on any number of different sleight-of-hand tricks. | ||
| But you wonder if that sensationalizing in and of itself is... | ||
| It hurts the truth factor. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think we're the example of that, though. | ||
| I mean, clearly I hurt the truth factor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been meaning to talk to you about that. | ||
| I mean, no! | ||
| I think that the thing that I come to is that there's this, like, Alex's reporting of this story in such a way that if you were somebody who listened to him and you were trying to make this argument that Bush is chilling the free speech of people being able to protest... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're making this argument to somebody, and they're like, this guy got six months in jail just for having this sign, and someone was able to say, he got a $500 fine. | ||
| You don't even know what you're talking about. | ||
| You lose the ability to come off knowing your point when you are right. | ||
| Your point is correct, but you have ammunition that will jam your gun, basically, if you want to use that metaphor. | ||
| But that's Alex's child. | ||
| That's Alex being a child because he cannot process the idea that you would give a shit over a $500 fine So to him, it's like, if I tell you this injustice happened, but the only consequence of the injustice was $500, you'll be like, eh, there are worse things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't particularly care that much about a $500 fine. | ||
| I think it's kind of like a small thing in the grand scheme compared to like six months. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| No, no, absolutely. | ||
| But it's also the principle of the thing is what's important. | ||
| And I think that everything I can tell about this Bercy guy, I would assume that though he appealed the case, it was not about... | ||
| Not paying $500. | ||
| No. | ||
| It was about the principle of the matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| About justice, ostensibly. | ||
| And I also think that from everything you can tell from his history, he did a number of things that were meant to be confrontational in terms of protesting. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
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Otherwise there's no point. | |
| They vandalized him through a brick through the Selective Service Office. | ||
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Yes. | |
| He had to know that there was a risk that you were going to face jail time for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| And he chose it. | ||
| And he chose it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And he continued. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he faced his consequences, and he accepted them, and that went... | ||
| That's protesting! | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| In that vein of protest that he is involved in, or was involved in as a younger person, probably not now as a, like... | ||
| I don't know how old he is, but he's not a college activist anymore. | ||
| We'll see him five years down on the line. | ||
| But that is a risk that you accept when you put yourself in places where there is the possibility that can happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think, I would guess, that he knew that when he was there protesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| Well, that's what makes it a valuable protest. | ||
| If you are not causing any problems, and you're just sitting quietly in the free speech zone, then you have not really protested a fucking thing, now have you? | ||
| Yeah, and I think he knew that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I think that that was intentional. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Also, from what I understand, it's fascinating. | ||
| Like, he got arrested for the... | ||
| The vandalism of the Selective Service Office because the guy he did it with was an informant. | ||
| Like some guy infiltrated their group and he got snitched on. | ||
| I just want to say that the FBI has done great things for America and I can't think of any one of their million missteps that has created a far worse world than if they had never existed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's a New York Times article about him too. | ||
| He ended up spending almost two years in the penitentiary for malicious destruction of property, as he puts it, for spraying hell no, we won't go on walls. | ||
| But not before he spent some time hiding in New York City. | ||
| He says his family feared he would be killed in prison. | ||
| Then he was arrested in Texas for buying 500 pounds of peyote buttons, but beat that charge on a technicality. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| Now that's a protest right there! | ||
| That's the way you do it! | ||
| Yeah, so it looks like he was engaged in some hallucinogens, crimes, and also some principled protest crimes. | ||
| Listen, Ken Kesey spent two years or so in Mexico. | ||
| Before being deported back to the United States. | ||
| I mean, I think it's the way you do it. | ||
| You gotta run. | ||
| Listen, some of us get 500 pounds of peyote buttons. | ||
| Some of us have beer parties. | ||
| We all lose our houses in the end. | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| So anyway, they're taking away juries, as evidenced by this case. | ||
| So understand, folks, you don't get a jury trial. | ||
| He was facing six months in federal prison and a $5,000 fine. | ||
| Bonnie, the Constitution says what? | ||
| If the offense is above $20, you get a jury trial, but the feds, the judges say, no, no, six months in federal prison and a $5,000 fine, that's petty. | ||
| You don't get a trial. | ||
| You starting to get it? | ||
| Oh, we take your house, but you can't have a jury trial because it's a city ordinance. | ||
| Oh, there are... | ||
| Like, limits for, like, what you can have a jury trial for civil cases. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But not in terms of, like, what the... | ||
| Right. | ||
| He doesn't understand civics and the legal system at all. | ||
| And what I find more fascinating is... | ||
| Well, I bet that never comes back to bite him in the ass. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| He also seems to have no curiosity about it at all. | ||
| So the right to the jury trial does not strictly apply to offenses that are not deemed serious, which the Supreme Court defined as ones that carry a possible penalty of over six months incarceration. | ||
| This delineation was put into place by a 1970 decision, so this shouldn't be news to Alex. | ||
| You know, if you're facing up to six months, it's not past that line. | ||
| Every time I hear anything about what the Supreme Court said, I think we're all fucking insane for allowing them to exist. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| This shouldn't be a surprise or even seem that insane. | ||
| It shouldn't be a surprise to Alex. | ||
| But even to you or anyone. | ||
| It's a shock to me! | ||
| Like, if you were charged with... | ||
| With something like, let's say, a first-time DUI. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You don't get a jury trial. | ||
| You're going in front of a judge. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Here's what I understand that. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I just mean that the idea that the Supreme Court would say a serious offense is six months. | ||
| As if that was not a completely arbitrary and bullshit made-up thing that they just said. | ||
| I'm guessing that there are also factors that come into play about, like, if the penalty could be three months in jail and $100,000 or something, then that's also a serious case. | ||
| I'm sure that there are gray areas, but generally speaking, if it's over six months incarceration, it's automatically a serious offense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Think about how jammed up the courts would be if you required a jury trial for every pissant crime that someone gets charged with. | ||
| It would be impossible to function, and everyone would be constantly being called for juries. | ||
| Yeah, it would almost point out how silly it is to arrest people for those... | ||
| Ticky-tack bullshits in the first place. | ||
| Some of them, yes. | ||
| Some of them, maybe not. | ||
| I think a DUI maybe is worth arresting somebody for. | ||
| And I think a DUI maybe deserves more than six months! | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I think there is an incredible difference between a first time and a second time. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Agreed. | |
| I think that a lot of people, myself included, have been at least eligible for one. | ||
| Yeah, and at the same time not recognize the severity of it until shit got real. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, when I was much younger, when I was like 18, 19, I got... | ||
| You know, I got arrested for a DUI. | ||
| Like, it wasn't a DUI in the end, but I did end up in some trouble for drinking and driving. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Up until that point, you know, there was the dumb idiot kid thing of like, eh, it's no big deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can handle it. | ||
| I can, you know. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it was not the arrest that ended up making it clear to me that I couldn't. | ||
| It was what happened right before it when my car skid off the road and I couldn't control my car. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That made it very abundantly clear to me, and then the following arrest when the police showed up was more like a formality for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, all right, here we go. | ||
| Yeah, listen, I get it, guys, but my dad is going to be mad when I get home, so you can arrest me or whatever, but let me think we know. | ||
| That's going to be quite disappointed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We know what the real problem here is. | ||
| And the reality is, I would never have gotten a second one. | ||
| And if I had, like, six months in prison for the first one, I think that would be excessive as hell. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think for most people, probably, generally, with a first time. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if you still continue to then drink and drive, I think that... | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's when there should be, like... | ||
| Pretty steeply rising punishment. | ||
| I'm just, and that speaks to my point of the arbitrariness of six months. | ||
| Look at all the conversation we had, but the idea that some asshole, some asshole and eight other assholes get to be like, eh, six months is a major one without us having any say. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We live in a crazy fucking place! | ||
| I get what you're saying, and abstractly I kind of agree with you, but functionally I think that maybe it works. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We may always disagree on that. | ||
| I think that there are massive overhauls of the justice system that definitely need to happen, and maybe that one isn't super high up on the list. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, abolishing the Supreme Court is. | ||
| Well, that's a larger issue. | ||
| I'm not trying to goat you. | ||
| Look. | ||
| To goad you. | ||
| Abolishing the Supreme Court is a whole other issue than whether or not you should have a jury trial for something that would be three months ago. | ||
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All right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So while you put it that way, sure. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I was really excited for Bercy to show up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I thought, you know, these guys are clearly on different pages. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, this is going to be a very interesting conversation of a longtime progressive activist who has... | ||
| Clear principles surrounding a number of issues that Alex has a big problem with. | ||
| Yeah, I'm thinking of Bill Ayers. | ||
| I'm thinking of redux of Bill Ayers. | ||
| Do that whole little ticky-tack back and forth where Bill Ayers is unflappable, yeah. | ||
| But the difference would be that Alex went into the conversation with Bill Ayers knowing it would be adversarial. | ||
| And this one might be something that catches him off guard. | ||
| Unfortunately, this does not come to pass. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Before we go to Robert and John and others that are patiently holding, and we do have the International Forecaster joining us in the third hour. | ||
| And you do not want to miss Bob Chapman because he made amazing predictions over the last three years on this show. | ||
| And unfortunately, they've all come true. | ||
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All of them. | |
| He's making predictions. | ||
| I don't even know if I can believe these, but he's got a great track record. | ||
| So we'll go over it with Bob Chapman. | ||
| Our liberal friend who was convicted, admittedly, for protesting. | ||
| The judge says, yeah, you can't protest the president with folks that support him on a public street. | ||
| Brett Bursey was real paranoid when we talked to him yesterday. | ||
| Well, this is talk radio. | ||
| Am I going to get ambushed on the show? | ||
| No, sir, you're not. | ||
| Go to the website to look at him. | ||
| And we've been calling and calling. | ||
| His phone's busy. | ||
| You know, he may have the wrong time zone. | ||
| That happens sometimes when a guest doesn't show up, which is quite rare. | ||
| I get the sense that he probably looked into Alex a little bit and was like, yeah, no way. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Okay, this is talk radio, and what he said to assuage my fear was go look at his website. | ||
| I go to prisonplanet.com. | ||
| Fuck this! | ||
| Yeah, I would assume that that was a... | ||
| Radio guest ghosting. | ||
| This phone's busy. | ||
| You can't imagine if you're him that this is going to... | ||
| Like I said, even if you agree on the bottom line issue, this is not serving your interest. | ||
| This is not something where there's going to be common cause found that's meaningful. | ||
| This isn't an ally of yours. | ||
| The only way to win is not to play. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I find that a little bit disappointing for my entertainment value, but it's also kind of, like, if you assume, which, I mean, maybe it's a big assumption, because I haven't listened to the next day's shows or anything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe he shows up on the next day. | ||
| Maybe this was a time zone issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you assume that he... | ||
| I learned a little bit more and was like, I don't want anything to do with this. | ||
| That is the opposite of disappointing. | ||
| That is like, yes. | ||
| That is good on you. | ||
| Good instincts. | ||
| I was just thinking that reinforces my like of this man. | ||
| If he's got that under his belt too, damn, this guy's got it. | ||
| At the same time, his history does seem to have a lot of willingness to be in places of confrontation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Meaningful confrontation. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Isn't that a really good point? | ||
| This would be very trivial and pointless. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Wow, man. | ||
| This guy's got it. | ||
| So anyway, Bob Chapman's going to be coming up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Bob Chapman, of course, for our folks who have not listened to a lot of these, we haven't really heard Bob Chapman in 2003. | ||
| It's been a while, yeah. | ||
| He is someone who is a weekly guest of Alex's in the 2008-2009 time frame. | ||
| He is a guy who is a gold salesman. | ||
| He is shameful. | ||
| And shameless gold promoter. | ||
| Doomsday prophet. | ||
| He works with Alex's main sponsor, the Midas Resources, who sell gold. | ||
| Bob promotes the gold and tells people they should go to Midas Resources. | ||
| He is also a flagrant racist. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And made his start profiteering off apartheid gold. | ||
| Hey, what? | ||
| I can't even joke about not excusing that. | ||
| Lived in Rhodesia for a while? | ||
| Yeah, that guy could go fucking stick out. | ||
| Has a newsletter called the International Forecaster that is supposed to be about finances and what have you, but veers into pretty racist territory from time to time. | ||
| I found an archive of that and it is grim. | ||
| Ah, the history of money is pretty racist. | ||
| This is a different thing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So anyway, Bob is coming up. | ||
| And before we get to that, we get another call. | ||
| And this is interesting, because this guy is a big old sovereign citizen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex pushes back on him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But not for the reason you'd think. | ||
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There are no citizens in Texas. | |
| No Texas citizens. | ||
| No Colorado citizens. | ||
| They're either one of the three categories that I just mentioned. | ||
| Let me just tell you this. | ||
| You go declare yourself with the sheriff and everybody, a citizen of your county, of that state. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| They're going to take you to jail still. | ||
| They're going to charge you in their same system. | ||
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Okay, here's the thing. | |
| You have to go through a three-step process. | ||
| I've been doing this for ten years, and I've heard all this, and I've watched it, and let me tell you something. | ||
| It does not work. | ||
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It's about to work. | |
| There's a gentleman by the name of John Jennings that's in the process in Florida doing it. | ||
| He's already won a case, not in the at-law court, not a case law court, in a state court, an in-law court where you're dealing with laws legislated by state legislators, not by a judge presiding at the bench. | ||
| You see the difference why he won that case? | ||
| He won! | ||
| He won! | ||
| Sir, I appreciate your call. | ||
| You know what I'll do? | ||
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Do you? | |
| I'll do some shows on the Federal Reserve. | ||
| I'll do some shows on the 14th Amendment. | ||
| I'll do some shows on common law and the incorporation of the states and the incorporation of the District of Columbia. | ||
| But believe me, and I'm not mad at you, caller, it's good points you're making. | ||
| 98% of people listening do not even know what you were talking about. | ||
| And so we can't just sit here on one call and go over this. | ||
| But it gets into admiralty law, maritime jurisdiction, which is the Patriot Act. | ||
| Which is what they're using. | ||
| They're now trying to replace the Constitution, the organic law, the stuff that comes out of the Magna Carta in 1214 and back to Mount Sinai thousands of years ago, 3,000 years ago, with Moses and the Ten Commandments. | ||
| That's why they're trying to remove the foundation of Western law that came out of Israel. | ||
| They're trying to remove that now and put in Roman civil law. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't you know that? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| It's clear. | ||
| They're trying to get rid of the Constitution, which is based on the Magna Carta by way of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai. | ||
| Where's Hammurabi in all of this? | ||
| He's not in the mix. | ||
| He's on the team of the Roman law. | ||
| Racism all over again. | ||
| Yeah, so they're trying to replace this with Roman law. | ||
| Roman civil law. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's tough. | ||
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Does anyone have a law degree in Roman civil law? | |
| I can tell you Alex doesn't. | ||
| I don't think he does. | ||
| So, the issue here is that Alex agrees fundamentally with the sovereign citizen types and this guy. | ||
| And he might even believe in stuff that is outside of that. | ||
| That whole notion of the divine... | ||
| Backing of the Constitution. | ||
| That kind of... | ||
| That area of... | ||
| I hesitate to call it scholarship, but that area of people writing things. | ||
| That area of things that can be read with eyes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is fine with that. | ||
| His problem is like, dude, this doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, it does appear that that is the issue. | ||
| Not that it's wrong, that it's impractical. | ||
| Not that it's made up fantasy land. | ||
| This stuff is real, and you're totally right, but the people in control have guns, and they won't let you be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, they do see the issue there, right? | ||
| Like, the combination of those two things means that it doesn't really matter if they're right or not. | ||
| It does seem to indicate that there is not power in being right. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Yeah, that was a little bit upsetting. | ||
| I mean, we know that Alex is basically quite a sovereign citizen. | ||
| Adjacent. | ||
| Or just in it. | ||
| But it sucks to have this guy who's somebody who, you know, there's a decent chance you could push back on some points that he's making, but instead you're like, it just doesn't work. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| You're totally right, but guess what? | ||
| You're screwed. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That raises a question. | ||
| Is it possible to hold within your mind the idea of truth being... | ||
| Everything that everyone does all day every day is 100% unconstitutional, and at the same time live within that society without harm or trouble. | ||
| Or is it gotta be one or the other? | ||
| I think it's one or the other, and that's why Alex has lived so long, because his beliefs are nonsensical and he doesn't really believe them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At least most of them. | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's why he can not raise an army against the... | ||
| He's a daywalker. | ||
| He can have all this shit that he talks about and not raise an army against the courts. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| Or wind up Bill Coopering himself. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| And make a lot of money. | ||
| So anyway, speaking of money, Bob Chapman shows up. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And he has some financial predictions. | ||
| It's gonna go great. | ||
| Bob! | ||
| What is the New World Order? | ||
| What are they doing financially? | ||
| What do you see happening in the near term and the long term? | ||
| Well, the dollar will continue down another 40% versus the dollar index as well as the euro, whether the Europeans like it or not. | ||
| And it's been overpriced for a long, long time. | ||
| The price of gold this year will easily go over to $512 an ounce. | ||
| It could very well go to $680 or $840 for that matter, depending upon what happens. | ||
| Bob is very wrong. | ||
| Gold peaked at about $4.56 an ounce in early December 2004, far short of his low-end prediction. | ||
| It's been a fair amount of the year, under $400 even. | ||
| Bob's close to right about the dollar, though, but his numbers are a bit off. | ||
| In spirit, he's correct, though, that the dollar did drop in 2004, but that was already part of a trend that had been going on for the past year, so it's hard to give him a lot of credit for that, but he's not far off, except for the... | ||
| He's flagrantly wrong about gold, which makes sense. | ||
| He's a gold salesman. | ||
| I mean, I don't understand why financial media of this type even exists, because it can't be anything other than self-motivated or self-involved, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to have people who... | ||
| How would you even do it? | ||
| Yeah, you literally can't. | ||
| There's no possible way to altruistically predict that things will get better. | ||
| Well, you'd need... | ||
| You know, or like, okay, I'm predicting that the price of the dollar will go up, and I'm doing that not because I have any involvement at all, but because I want you to get more money out of it. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| You'd need monks. | ||
| You would need monks! | ||
| Yeah, you would need people who study the financial stuff and all that and have sworn off any kind of material possessions. | ||
| Blinds, their tongues are cut out. | ||
| Food is paid for or whatever. | ||
| They're taken care of, but not by anything that could be affected by the financial system. | ||
| Cannot be corrupted by scandal or anything along those lines, yes. | ||
| I think that that's impossible to attain. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But the next best thing, I think, would be don't take financial advice from someone who sells gold. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Don't take Bitcoin advice from someone who sells Bitcoin. | ||
| Smart move. | ||
| Just go ahead. | ||
| Don't get into the stock market because people from the stock market say it's a good idea. | ||
| Yeah, be wary of advice from people who are suspiciously biased. | ||
| If someone tells you what to do with your money because it will make their lives better. | ||
| Just stop for a second and think. | ||
| Yeah, maybe they're lying about it helping you a lot. | ||
| Yeah, maybe you should try and help somebody else's life. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| So we've got one last clip here, and it's Bob making more bad predictions. | ||
| The first thing I've got to tell people is, please get out of debt. | ||
| I know you have to have a house, get the tax write-off, but everything else, clear it out. | ||
| And then you move into gold coins, and once you've done that, you move into gold shares. | ||
| And at the end of the road here, wherever gold and silver are going to, you may not want to sell what you have in exchange for fiat currency. | ||
| Well, I've been buying gold for three years, and it's all increasing value, whether I bought it at $250 or $350. | ||
| And people are calling me saying, you want to sell that gold? | ||
| And no, I don't. | ||
| You've got a long way to go. | ||
| I mean, we haven't even finished phase one of three phases. | ||
| Gold is going over $3,000 an ounce. | ||
| Where silver and gold are hard to say, but it could easily go back to its high in the $40, $50 area and perhaps even to $100 because there just isn't any out there. | ||
| Now, you're saying $500 by the end of the year. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| And then where is this $3,000 mark? | ||
| That's probably in 05, 06. Bold. | ||
| So, okay, so in the next 12 months, it will increase by about 10 to 25%. | ||
| And then in the next 12 months, it will increase by 8,000%. | ||
| It's ambitious. | ||
| So gold did continue to go up a bit, but these numbers are insane. | ||
| Gold peaked at about 720 in 2006 before dropping back to 550 and then bouncing back at the end of the year, ending up around 635. | ||
| These numbers that Bob is saying are outrageous, and it's hard to imagine them being predicted by someone who wasn't a gold salesman pretending to be a forecaster. | ||
| This is... | ||
| I don't know how you could look at this and think this is responsible. | ||
| I mean, the only thing that you could even try and say is like, oh, you get it. | ||
| They're joking. | ||
| It's an entertainment show. | ||
| That's as good as it gets because beyond that, if you take him seriously, he's stealing from you. | ||
| He's a thief. | ||
| He's committing fraud. | ||
| Well, here's the interesting wrinkle at this point. | ||
| So when we've heard Bob in 2008, 2009, it's very regularly he sets it up and then they knock it down with a sales pitch for Midas Resources. | ||
| Or he's like, you can get my newsletter, my forecaster newsletter, and call Midas Resources. | ||
| They'll give you a free piece of silver along with your first issue. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That isn't the case in 2003. | ||
| I don't know if he's intimately related with Midas Resources and Ted Anderson at this point, but he is not throwing it to a Midas plug or linking his newsletter with Midas. | ||
| So there is still very aligned interests of Alex being syndicated by a gold salesman and Bob making comical predictions about gold. | ||
| There's still that, but it's not as overt. | ||
| Maybe this is still in the period where they're feeling it out, the partnership. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it could be like a wire thing, you know? | ||
| You don't want the kids who get the drugs, they're not the kids who give the drugs. | ||
| You know, they're not the kids who take the money. | ||
| Everybody's got a separate job. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You have the drugs under a rock. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The runners. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But it all gets sort of blown up, that game, by 2008, 2009. | ||
| Because it is the same kid delivering the drugs. | ||
| They were like, ah, nobody's coming. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that there is a decent chance that they're not as intimately involved as, like, Clear partnership at this point. | ||
| Oh no, maybe in the next year it's like, Ted is like, oh hell yeah, get in here, you're on our team. | ||
| Yeah, this guy makes bizarre predictions. | ||
| One fucking hundred percent, you're on this guy. | ||
| Yeah, one hundred percent! | ||
| I would see him as like a business opportunity if I were Ted. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, and so I'm interested in these things that are happening in 2003, 2004 now. | ||
| I'm interested in this as another thread to watch. | ||
| A number of the people that we know from our time at Infowars are absent. | ||
| You know, like Bob hadn't been around in 2003, so now we can see how he grows as a figure, getting to the point where he's a weekly guest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| See where that happens along the line. | ||
| There's still other figures who are like major characters who are like... | ||
| Where are they? | ||
| Like, Steve Pchenik hasn't shown up. | ||
| I want to find out where he shows up at this period. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What kind of swings has he given that have been lost to time? | ||
| What if he starts out... | ||
| Because here's what you would expect, right? | ||
| If this were a normal thing. | ||
| He starts out with some light cuts. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, he starts out and then works his way up. | ||
| If it's Steve, I have to hope that he starts out... | ||
| Higher up than anything we've even thought of before. | ||
| He's going to come in, he's like, 16 years from now, there's going to be a counter coup against Hillary Clinton and we're going to put Trump into office. | ||
| It's got to be something that fucking incredible. | ||
| What if he does? | ||
| It'd be amazing. | ||
| It'd be amazing. | ||
| Of all the things that would prove the simulation is real. | ||
| Whatever it is, I want to find that. | ||
| I want to find his episodes. | ||
| And it's really hard. | ||
| There's no, like, listing anywhere of, like, guests and when they were on and stuff. | ||
| So it's really just turn it on and see if he's there. | ||
| And I guarantee you, when he finally shows up, when I turn on an episode and it's like, we got Steve Pachanik on today, I'm going to run through a wall with excitement. | ||
| It's going to be real built up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| We come to the end of this. | ||
| We're closer to where we need to be for the live show. | ||
| Ever so close to... | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| We do have some mentions of Howard Dean, which is, you know, the ball is rolling. | ||
| That's called foreshadowing. | ||
| He's a snake. | ||
| Hate him. | ||
| So we will make our progress through there, and we will discuss the Iowa primary. | ||
| The caucus. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| It's so funny to go back to this time period. | ||
| What a bunch of idiots. | ||
| Everybody in 2003 should shut up and stop. | ||
| If they only knew. | ||
| There's going to be a podcast 20 years from now about how everyone in 2023 should shut up. | ||
| I know, and I agree with that show. | ||
| So let's shut up. | ||
| Until next time. | ||
| Nicely done. | ||
| And until that time, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
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| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
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| Look, I know it's getting annoying, but this is the best drop in the world. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |