Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex's podcast (which is completely not connected to Free Speech Systems). In this installment, Alex may get a friend in legal trouble, and fights through laryngitis in order to interview a dreadlocked idiot.
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Red alert. | ||
| I need. | ||
| I need money. | ||
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Red alert. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| What are you doing with your arm over there? | ||
| Oh, I just noticed that I think I might have a bug bite that I didn't notice, and it's on my arm. | ||
| You're freaking me out, just staring at your arm. | ||
| I just noticed it, because I was bringing it up to look at it, and I was like, ah! | ||
| It would have looked just like you checking your watch. | ||
| Except I've never worn a watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm Jordan! | ||
| Hey, how's it going? | ||
| It's going all right, Dan. | ||
| Um, sure. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Quick question for you, buddy. | ||
| Okay, I'm listening. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot, obviously, Dan, is the Super Bowl. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we're recording concurrently with it. | ||
| No, obviously, it's not my bright spot. | ||
| You know, the Super Bowl is a sublimation of masculinity. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| It is just the globalists trying to get you to take out your warfare instincts. | ||
| Well, that the two of us are not watching it suggests our warfare instincts are terrible. | ||
| Yeah, they're not good. | ||
| Yeah, awful. | ||
| Or too good. | ||
| Perhaps too good. | ||
| No, my bright spot is it's Valentine's Day, and I hate Valentine's Day, but I did get my wife this beautiful bouquet. | ||
| None of this roses bullshit. | ||
| It was so many different urban, or not urban flowers. | ||
| Well, the name of the place is Urban Flowers, which is why I said the word. | ||
| Don't try and grow these flowers in the country. | ||
| No, no, but that's the point. | ||
| It is a bunch of country flowers, wild flowers and all of that stuff. | ||
| And so it went very well and it was great. | ||
| So it's a complete misnomer then. | ||
| These are rural flowers. | ||
| It does feel like that. | ||
| I think it's just that they're inside the city and they didn't know what else to Love is dead. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I've been lied to by Urban Flowers. | ||
| No, but yeah, they're beautiful, and she loved them, so it went well. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| You nailed Valentine's Day. | ||
| It's not Valentine's Day. | ||
| Don't believe in it. | ||
| It happened last week, see? | ||
| You nailed a time where you gave your wife flowers. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You passed the test. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Oh, see? | ||
| Did you forget? | ||
| No, I was waiting for you to ask me. | ||
| I was asking you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I started playing Miles Morales. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Spider-Man Miles Morales, and it's a lot of fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like swinging around New York. | ||
| Very satisfying. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's just open world enough, and at the same time, it's kind of bizarre to, like, you know, if you play Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild, you know, you play that, and it's like Hyrule. | ||
| I've never been to Hyrule. | ||
| That's not a real place. | ||
| That's not a real place. | ||
| Whereas New York, I've been to New York. | ||
| That's a real place. | ||
| There's something kind of fun about it being a recreation of a real place that you can wander around. | ||
| I know it's not accurate or anything. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's the question. | ||
| Wouldn't it be amazing if you could swing by one of the venues you did a set at? | ||
| I don't know, because I think it mostly... | ||
| Okay, so when I was in New York, I think... | ||
| Well, I mean, to be fair, one of the sets I did was in someone's apartment in Hoboken. | ||
| All right, well, we can definitely find that. | ||
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That's not in the game. | |
| Then the other ones were like Knitting Factory. | ||
| The Knitting Factory's got to be in there. | ||
| And Queens. | ||
| I was in Brooklyn and Queens, mostly. | ||
| And this is Manhattan and Harlem. | ||
| So, like, I don't think... | ||
| You're more of a classic Spider-Man guy whenever you're doing sets. | ||
| You stick around. | ||
| Just happened to be where my friends had things I could get booked at. | ||
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Right. | |
| Wait, no, I guess wasn't... | ||
| I think the New York Comedy Club is in Manhattan. | ||
| I don't remember neighborhoods and boroughs and stuff, but I did do... | ||
| One of the most disastrous sets I've ever done at the New York Comedy Club. | ||
| I was asked to do a check set. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| The check drop set? | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't enjoy feeling like people aren't paying attention to me, but they're actually not. | ||
| The check, it's a nightmare when you're headlining, but at least you have like 30 minutes in advance of the check so you can be charming and people will be like doing the check and paying attention to you. | ||
| If you come on during the check, you might as well be done. | ||
| It was so weird to me that that was like an institution, like a normal thing, because they just have someone who goes up. | ||
| And, like, do your best to keep people's attention, I guess, while they're filling out their checks. | ||
| It might as well be a sacrificial lamb. | ||
| Then you get off stage, and then the headliner can have a good time. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| Not a good time. | ||
| Not a good time. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's socially a fine time, but... | ||
| Well, it's a fine experience that you'll have forever that we can laugh about now on a show! | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And then me and Lane Peschel got wasted. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
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Good times. | |
| That sounds like a former regular experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And here's what we're doing. | ||
| We're talking about something that has nothing to do with InfoWars or free speech systems. | ||
| Ooh, this is exciting. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Wait, no, we're talking about his fireside chat. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Tricked you. | ||
| No, we're talking. | ||
| It's not a fireside chat. | ||
| It's just another episode of his podcast. | ||
| So this is from February 11th. | ||
| Yeah, so Saturday. | ||
| It was Saturday's show. | ||
| I was just like, I want to keep on this. | ||
| I feel like we're on the ground floor of something. | ||
| It does feel different. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's for sure. | ||
| It doesn't, but it does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I mean, it's not. | ||
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No. | |
| Which is the problem. | ||
| I don't know how to describe it, but if I was around when he first launched Infowars, I'd be pretty excited. | ||
| This is the first episode. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Let's follow it as it grows or as it becomes whatever it becomes. | ||
| We have this opportunity now with AJ Live or whatever the fuck this dumb shit is. | ||
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We can be from day one. | |
| It'll be a faster chronicle of A Man's Fall, though. | ||
| You know, we won't have to do the 23 or 24-odd years. | ||
| And we come in with a lot of background. | ||
| But I did get burned with Reset Wars. | ||
| Did you get burned ever? | ||
| Got too excited about the prospect of that being something. | ||
| Reign it in. | ||
| So, this may happen again. | ||
| But for now, I'm sticking around with this. | ||
| What's it like for him to be able to say whatever he wants? | ||
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Well... | |
| It turns out he can't really, because he was saying that this is simulcast still on radio and some stations that GCN has, so he still can't swear. | ||
| So he still can't say anything he wants. | ||
| Yeah, but within a month, it's going to be disconnected from those things, which I mean, I think that just means I'm losing stations. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that sounds right. | ||
| But, yeah, so in a month or so, he'll be able to say whatever the fuck he wants. | ||
| But for now... | ||
| Finally, it won't be a family show. | ||
| But he has a guest on who swears a bit. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I was mostly drawn to this because of the guest. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I will say that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because Alex did have another episode that had Joel Skousen on, and I skipped over that. | ||
| But today, we have the Saturday show featuring a guy with dreadlocks. | ||
| Spoilers. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only the WikiLeaks. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, a new metal knocky. | ||
| Like, on a knocky, but new metal. | ||
| It's a fine. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| I get that. | ||
| Thank you, Sarah and Nathan, for turning me on to the Doughboys. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I'd like to reiterate that I am available to be on the Doe Boys. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Next, Jake is T-Bone and Roger Stone in Memphis. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| This is 10 feet off of Beal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Next, Happy New Year. | ||
| I wish a prosperous 2018 to you and all your listeners. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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No. | |
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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No. | |
| You tricked everybody. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| And we had a couple of technocrats in the mix. | ||
| So, first... | ||
| Yeah, nah. | ||
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That Alex bloke is a fair dinking dickhead, eh? | |
| It's said to do it in an Australian accent. | ||
| I don't do accents. | ||
| That was as good as a kid. | ||
| That was Europe, yep. | ||
| You're a technocrat, mate. | ||
| And holy crap, Megan, I finally got my call out. | ||
| And that was actually from a real, honest to God, flesh and blood, Andrew in Kansas. | ||
| No way. | ||
| So that is an Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So we start off here, Jordan, on the Saturday show, and Alex may be getting somebody in legal trouble immediately. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let me just raise this point first, though. | ||
| When you get so close to the news and so close to sources and breaking information, you really almost get to where you take yourself for granted. | ||
| I know I do that. | ||
| And we have a lot of sources, obviously, inside the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy trial that's meant to demonize all Americans with free speech. | ||
| And so I learned when the trial started a month ago some pretty shocking information from inside sources. | ||
| I'll leave it at that. | ||
| My own text messages. | ||
| And should have reached out to Tucker Carlson, should have talked about it on air, but I was waiting to get more info. | ||
| And then earlier this week and tonight, in fact, one reason I aired a few promos and got on about 20 minutes after the show started was because I was on with sources in D.C. that are describing, expert sources, what the judge was doing when the media and the jury were kicked out. | ||
| So, um... | ||
| That was Norm, obviously. | ||
| That's where my mind goes. | ||
| Yeah, that's gotta be Norm. | ||
| It feels like it's Norm. | ||
| But then again, Joe Biggs is on trial. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And Alex could be talking to him. | ||
| Although, I feel like Joe would want to keep his mouth shut. | ||
| If I was either of those two, I would not be talking to each other. | ||
| And I wouldn't be talking to Alex. | ||
| I would definitely not be talking to Alex. | ||
| I wouldn't be talking to Alex. | ||
| Because, like, the possibility of, like... | ||
| Bungling something and making things worse. | ||
| And it seems like if you're leaking information about a seditious conspiracy trial to Alex, it makes one wonder, how involved is Alex in things? | ||
| It definitely does. | ||
| And if you're doing that, you should probably remember that time Donald Trump Jr. was his source and he wasn't supposed to say anything about it. | ||
| I do think that this is something that raises some concerns because the people who are situated in a position to give Alex inside information about this trial Well, R, Biggs, and Norm. | ||
| Yeah, and I would imagine Norm being like, don't talk about me on your podcast for a while. | ||
| Don't talk about me, period, for a while. | ||
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I am in trouble. | |
| Yeah, but he didn't. | ||
| He just referenced someone who probably is Norm. | ||
| Anyway, here's his inside intel about the Proud Boys. | ||
| But this will be breaking regardless next week. | ||
| You're just getting tomorrow's news today. | ||
| We know about Ray Apps and the other feds that were there calling for attacking the Capitol. | ||
| But now, amongst a bunch of information that's about to come out with documents, and I'm not going to get the specifics because I don't want to mess up the defense of the Proud Boys, but the feds screwed up mightily. | ||
| And they used evidence that they'd planted, just like with the Governor Whitmer kidnapping. | ||
| With a former high-level CIA operative and a female individual, not saying she's a sex operative or a swallow, as they call them, to give a war game to the Proud Boys that they never acted on of taking over D.C. And it's actually a CIA war game. | ||
| So this is a big, big deal. | ||
| So the CIA and a sex operative, maybe Alex isn't going to say this person as I swallow. | ||
| I mean, I thought it was a honeypot. | ||
| Didn't we all know that it was a honeypot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| That's the term I would have come to my mind. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, the CIA made a war game and then they fed it to the Proud Boys. | ||
| And they had no intention of ever doing any of the things that they ended up doing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And all the conversations that they had amongst themselves, not CIA agents or honeypot operatives, about how they wanted to do this and how they were excited to, and Joe Biggs live-streaming himself talking about how we're taking over the Capitol. | ||
| That was a bad idea. | ||
| In retrospect. | ||
| Yeah, all this bullshit. | ||
| No, that was all the CIA. | ||
| I mean, I struggle with him bringing up a specific example of the CIA doing this before, specifically the Whitmer case, because they were also convicted. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's like, okay, I understand. | ||
| Maybe the CIDA did it, Alex, but that won't affect the trial. | ||
| But the way he discusses the Whitmer situation and the informant involvement is not accurate. | ||
| He is exaggerating that mightily. | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| And so I guess, I mean, we'll see. | ||
| We'll see what happens with this. | ||
| I expect that nothing will happen with this, but maybe Norm will come on and talk some shit. | ||
| About something that means nothing? | ||
| I just... | ||
| I mean, it can't... | ||
| They keep talking about it like it's a movie trial where you can suddenly show up and be like, we found this! | ||
| And they go, well, then you're innocent! | ||
| That's not how it works, ever. | ||
| But that's because movies are real life, and real life is a movie. | ||
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That is true. | |
| It's all the blurring line of reality and fiction. | ||
| I can't argue with you. | ||
| So, Alex has instincts, and he's always right. | ||
| But he also researches. | ||
| But he kind of doesn't. | ||
| Because his instincts are always right. | ||
| So I kind of shoot from the hip. | ||
| Circular logic a little bit. | ||
| A lot of times, but nine times out of ten, I'm right. | ||
| One smart thing Donald Trump said was the deepest thing he ever learned was to be shallow. | ||
| It's like a woman's intuition. | ||
| You study, you have knowledge, you're always researching all the pieces, and then your first approximation is usually dead on right. | ||
| The best shots I've ever made with a gun is when I don't try, and I can shoot here at 800, 1,000 yards. | ||
| I just relax, pull back. | ||
| This is an analogy. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm shooting anybody. | ||
| And squeeze the trigger, and the deer goes rolling head over heels or the wild hog or whatever it is. | ||
| In fact, when I had time to go, you know, hunting. | ||
| And it's the same thing. | ||
| I don't just go off half-cocked. | ||
| I don't just go off with no info. | ||
| I do all this deep research, immerse myself constantly. | ||
| And then nine times out of ten, when I just shoot from the hip with what I originally think it is, the first approximation is usually right. | ||
| And they want us to cut off our instincts, cut off our common sense. | ||
| That we know is there. | ||
| Another analogy is, if you've ever had somebody physically attack you, if you think about what you're doing or you try to over-become technical, that's when you get your ass technical. | ||
| You decide to get somebody off of you and just, I'm going to stop this person. | ||
| It just happens right away because you turn loose your instincts. | ||
| But you've got to have the baseline of research and info for your synapses to access to make its decision. | ||
| If you don't have the big baseline, the foundation of research, info, history, I'm using fighting as an analogy. | ||
| It's a primitive version of that. | ||
| That you really can't be able to have that instinct and that instant analysis. | ||
| But I also do a lot of deep thinking and a lot of research and a lot of weighing of things politically, culturally. | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't sound great, Alex. | ||
| That was the most amount of nothing that I've heard in a while. | ||
| Yeah, there was a minute 40 of him saying sometimes your instincts are correct. | ||
| And in order to sharpen your instincts, you should practice and study. | ||
| I mean, the metaphor is so much easier just to be like, yeah, that fight analogy works. | ||
| You have to train, but then when you're in the moment, you go with the flow of what's happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| But Alex doesn't do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| He doesn't train. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| He doesn't do shit. | ||
| No, he overbecomes his training. | ||
| He overbecomes trained. | ||
| That's just the case. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's a fun game. | ||
| But I also think that I look at this, and I kind of have experienced what he's talking about. | ||
| Reaching the flow state, if you will. | ||
| No, that your instincts are often right. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because when I started this show... | ||
| I didn't know a whole lot about Alex. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I did think he was full of shit. | ||
| I had a hunch that maybe he sucked. | ||
| You watched the election night coverage. | ||
| You knew he sucked. | ||
| But even before that. | ||
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Okay, that's fair. | |
| I'm saying before we started the show. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I'm saying when I had just gotten this kernel in my head of like, I'm interested in this guy. | ||
| What is his deal? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just know him as like a conspiracy theorist yelly guy. | ||
| Yeah, you were like the rest of us back then. | ||
| But I had this instinct that like, I think that a lot of the criticisms that people make of him, like he's a racist, he's an asshole, I think a lot of that stuff is true. | ||
| But I didn't have the research background behind it. | ||
| But then I went through all that process, and it turns out I could have just listened to my instinct because they were correct. | ||
| He is a racist asshole. | ||
| Would you say that, in fact, you have just learned the most important lesson? | ||
| The deepest lesson is that, too, you need to be shallow. | ||
| No, because if you just rely on being shallow, you'll never know if those instinct judgments you make are correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you just assume they are, then, yeah, you're right 90% of the time because you never test that against reality. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I reject all of those things just based on the principle of... | ||
| Every time you're like, oh, I shouldn't have second-guessed myself. | ||
| I should have gone with my gut instinct. | ||
| You remember that far more often than when you don't and you do something very, very smart, you know? | ||
| Like, I should have gone with my gut instinct. | ||
| You remember, but then you should also remember the time where you're like, I cannot afford that shirt. | ||
| My gut instinct is I want that shirt, but, you know. | ||
| So for me... | ||
| Anything like that, I imagine that it's probably more 50-50 at the end of the day. | ||
| It's a coin flip, you know? | ||
| I think people just describe importance to it because it feels important whenever you should have gone with your gut instinct. | ||
| Right, like when you're playing poker or something and you want to make a call. | ||
| Yes, totally. | ||
| You'd win like a couple hundred dollars. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It would be huge for you, but you fold and then you realize, I would have won if I'd just called. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, your instincts are to make a decision that's... | ||
| Questionable or dicey. | ||
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Right. | |
| But you should have done it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, of course that sticks out in your head. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I still remember stuff from like 10... | ||
| Bad beats. | ||
| ...pokers from like 10 years ago. | ||
| Bad beats will get you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex didn't sound good in that last clip. | ||
| It turns out he has laryngitis or something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And again, I apologize if I'm coughing some. | ||
| I left my lung cleanse on my office desk like a fool. | ||
| What a fool. | ||
| Sorry, you're what? | ||
| I go to the Walgreens, but they just have the regular throat spray that helps a little. | ||
| I haven't had laryngitis even when I had COVID two years ago, but I have had laryngitis since I was a teenager, I think. | ||
| And I have had laryngitis for about a week, and so I'm constantly battling, not coughing. | ||
| You know how laryngitis is, so please bear with me. | ||
| Please bear with me. | ||
| Or I've got to hit the cough button occasionally. | ||
| It's going to be all right. | ||
| I almost canceled tonight's show. | ||
| Should have. | ||
| Would have been wise. | ||
| Bronchioles. | ||
| They're getting better. | ||
| They're better than they were two days ago. | ||
| But Matt Baker has such important information to cover. | ||
| We came here to do it, and I appreciate the crew coming here to do it for alexjoneslive.com. | ||
| Please share the URL alexjoneslive.com. | ||
| The site's ready to go. | ||
| I've just got to propagate it with all the first videos that are going to go on it. | ||
| So very soon, I said a week. | ||
| No, a week's gone by, but let's just say another week. | ||
| Yeah, sure, let's. | ||
| Let's just say another week. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| So yeah, I mean, I think if you're somebody whose bread and butter is talking and you have to constantly be fighting not to cough, maybe you do take the day off from this extraneous show that you don't need to do. | ||
| I mean, I can't see, and I understand that maybe it doesn't happen. | ||
| Maybe I'm the crazy one and this situation is different. | ||
| But if I'm the guy wearing headphones listening to this... | ||
| I'm just constantly shaking my head like, what are you doing? | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| You and I both know this is a bad idea. | ||
| Why are we still here? | ||
| Also, eat some fucking vegetables! | ||
| But Matt Baker has to come on. | ||
| He has important things to say. | ||
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Great. | |
| Matt Baker. | ||
| Do you know who Matt Baker is? | ||
| No, I don't know who Matt Baker is. | ||
| I know one Baker, and that's Tom Baker. | ||
| And then I also know Jack Baker. | ||
| Those are the only two Bakers I know. | ||
| What a fool. | ||
| You don't know who Matt Baker is. | ||
| Why would I know who Matt Baker is? | ||
| He's one of the most important people in the world. | ||
| To whom? | ||
| To... | ||
| People who like blown glass in San Diego? | ||
| I actually... | ||
| I think he sells pipes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Honestly... | ||
| He's got dreadlocks? | ||
| I fucking love blown glass. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go get a bomb in San Diego. | ||
| So anyway, Matt Baker is on. | ||
| I got a lot going on here. | ||
| First of all, I can never say no to Alex Jones. | ||
| I swear, every time he gets me on, he has me like, you're going to do this, right? | ||
| And I'm like, yes, sir, I'll do whatever you say. | ||
| And on Wednesday, middle Super Bowl, that's fine. | ||
| I ended up talking with some local people that I do some protests with back in the day during the lockdowns, and they're continuing to do a lot of protests with the Drag Queen Storytimes and some other things. | ||
| There's about three different factions that I'm working with. | ||
| Talk to them about when the best time that they wanted to do it was. | ||
| And it's a little bit out, but it's good because we're going to have time to get it together. | ||
| So the new date, and we're sticking to this, you know, you put me on the spot there, is Wednesday 22nd, okay? | ||
| And it's between 11 and 2 o 'clock, all right? | ||
| And Audra Morgan is the one that's helping put that together. | ||
| She is a local... | ||
| By the way, listen, I'm glad you changed it. | ||
| I just said, how about 3 p.m. | ||
| Sunday? | ||
| Not thinking about the Super Bowl. | ||
| Like I said, I just can't say no to you, bro. | ||
| So they have a protest at Pfizer they're discussing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, that's fine. | ||
| I protest Pfizer. | ||
| Not for the same reasons. | ||
| No. | ||
| Matt Baker is Alex's guest on this episode, and like a fool, you don't even know who that name is. | ||
| But if you're out there listening and you don't know who he is, I don't blame you. | ||
| I'm just shitting on Jordan. | ||
| He's the white dude with dreadlocks. | ||
| You wrote that in the script. | ||
| No, that was riffing. | ||
| That was off the cuff. | ||
| I swear to God, I thought you were reading that. | ||
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Nope. | |
| See, that's how good I am. | ||
| You made it feel good. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| So he's the white dude with dreadlocks who went viral a year or so ago for yelling about COVID policies at a board of supervisors meeting in San Diego. | ||
| I want you to have a taste of this fella. | ||
| So I'm going to play that speech that he gave in full. | ||
| So he gives a speech. | ||
| I think you're going to love it. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Seems popular so far. | ||
| Real quick, he's whistling. | ||
| He's doing a... | ||
| I was wondering if that was him or if that was the wind and the willows. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| I just need to set that stage. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| That's the wind. | ||
| Oh, it was the wind. | ||
|
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That's the wind of history. | |
| That's the wind blowing through your ancestors' bones begging you to do the right thing. | ||
| That is the wind that Matt Baker is calling upon. | ||
| Sir, please state your name. | ||
| Through the black people, through the white people, through the Chinese people, through the Mexican Americans, through the people that built this building with their bare hands to raise up this nation, they are begging you and they are blowing through your veins. | ||
| Okay, maybe don't say your name, sir. | ||
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Do not get a vaccine passport put on us. | |
| You know, as the population who's in control, you know that the people are the politicians. | ||
| Once you get a power, you will never relinquish it. | ||
| Do you think that the four feet of marble that holds you above, high in this chamber, will help you from the face of... | ||
| How long do you think you practiced this in front of the mirror? | ||
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You are unleashing! | |
| No! | ||
| It won't! | ||
| Your children and your children's children will be subjugated! | ||
| They will be asked, how many vaccines have you had? | ||
| They already are! | ||
| You can't go to school! | ||
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You cannot go to school! | |
| Sir, please state your name for the record. | ||
| You brought me a puppy? | ||
| Copy. | ||
| Nuremberg Code. | ||
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Yes you, Dr. Wilton You are in violation Of the Nuremberg Code This is anti-annual law I'm going to take To talk about this Wait, do you care about that? | |
| All of this is coercion. | ||
| The vaccine passport is coercion. | ||
| And the penalty for violating the Nuremberg Code is... | ||
| ...violating the ordinance in the meeting. | ||
| Please take a seat. | ||
| Please take a seat. | ||
| Hell of a performance. | ||
| Yeah, the reason there's applause there is because the meeting is full of a bunch of these weird San Diego activist buddies. | ||
| Obviously, yeah. | ||
| You can easily see the Alex Jones impression that Matt's doing. | ||
| There are phrases that he's just lifting whole cloth, and the entire thing is really just an exercise in performative passion, something that Alex's brand is reliant on. | ||
| If you watch Matt, you can see the gears turning and the switch being flipped on. | ||
| Maybe it's something that's just been built up in me from watching thousands of open mic sets in my life, but the performance aspects of this are painfully transparent to me. | ||
| At the beginning, when he's being all dramatic and then the board asks him to identify himself, he works his name into the dramatic shit about the wind because the guy... | ||
| told him to identify himself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
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It's great. | |
| Yep. | ||
|
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When he pulls out that paper, the Nuremberg codes on it, it's like the world's angriest prop comic. | |
| Oh my God. | ||
| I'm sure he's actually upset about COVID stuff, but I think this is pretty obvious that this guy's trying to build a brand here. | ||
| And that suspicion would end up being confirmed, if you had it at the time, when a little bit after this, Matt popped back up at another local board meeting, this time in Maricopa County. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He was there to yell at the board of supervisors about the midterm election, which is weird. | ||
| He doesn't even live in Arizona. | ||
| I was gonna say, does he live there? | ||
| No, so this really seems like a publicity stunt kind of thing. | ||
| Seems odd. | ||
| Here's his performance from that meeting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is the sequel better? | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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Once again... | |
| The eyes of the world are upon Maricopa County for another botched election. | ||
| Am I here to accuse you of stealing the vote? | ||
| Heavens no, for that would make me a terrorist, wouldn't it? | ||
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Let me ask you. | |
| Are we trying to go Oscar Wilde on this one? | ||
| And the teller put them in a machine. | ||
| And the machine kicked out one out of four of your bills. | ||
| And the teller said, don't worry, we'll put them in box three over here. | ||
| And we'll let you know how many were in there later. | ||
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We'll send them off to a separate location. | |
| And someone will be sure to get back to you and tell you how much money you have. | ||
|
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Would you be okay with that? | |
| No, you would not be okay with that. | ||
| Now ask yourself the question, which is more valuable, your vote or your money? | ||
| Now ask a lobbyist that same question. | ||
| Now ask a campaign manager that question. | ||
| Now ask Mark Zuckerberg that question. | ||
| Which is more valuable? | ||
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Your money or your vote or your country or this world or the corruption that is taking over every single county in this nation? | |
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
|
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What the fuck was that? | |
| Weak. | ||
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Look back at yourself in the mirror and realize that you are the cancer that is tearing this nation apart! | |
| Thank you. | ||
| It's just a little much. | ||
| Matt Baker was one of the most prominent faces from the rash of people yelling at council meetings that went viral for a bit. | ||
| And if you paid close attention, you might notice that whenever you saw Matt, he was always wearing the same shirt, which is also the shirt that he's wearing on his Infowars appearance. | ||
| It's a shirt with the Statue of Liberty wearing a mask that says Slave on it. | ||
| It should come as no surprise that he runs a shirt business called Slave to Liberty, selling these shirts among other weird conspiracy-focused designs. | ||
| I'm sure that Matt is mad about some of this stuff, and maybe he does believe that shit he's saying, but he has also very clearly identified a shortcut to finding a place in the market. | ||
| No one can stop you from speaking at these local meetings, and if you tape yourself doing some ridiculous Alex Jones impression rant, you stand a good chance of being shared widely within the far-right media. | ||
| If you suspiciously are wearing the same clothing item, which you sell during each of these performances, you'll probably move a large number of them and get a pretty sweet payday for essentially doing nothing. | ||
| From there, the next logical step is to transition into chasing whatever cause is popular among the shitheads who loved your act, thus complaining about drag queen story time and popping up in Maricopa County to yell about the midterms. | ||
| Anyway, the other day he went to shoot a video at the Pfizer building in San Diego, so he's hot again. | ||
| He and his other extreme right-wing activists in San Diego are planning a larger-scale protest at that Pfizer building, and Alex suggested that Matt do it on Sunday, but Matt realized that was the Super Bowl, and he couldn't get a crowd that day, so I guess he's going to go on the 22nd. | ||
| Also, I'm not going to play this for you, because it would be cruel, but Matt also did a parody of Ground Control to Major Tom. | ||
| See if you can guess what the name of it is. | ||
| In a million years, you'll never guess this. | ||
| Ground control to Major Tom. | ||
| I will say two words. | ||
| I'll give you... | ||
| Two is still in there, but two other words are the same. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, mind control to Major Tom. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| First major... | ||
| Mind control, correct. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mind control to blank. | ||
| To blank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To Major... | ||
| Or no. | ||
| To President... | ||
| Never in a million years. | ||
| No, I got no idea. | ||
| Mind control to major scam. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty bad. | ||
| You can't not rhyme! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I remember my favorite Weird Al track was Boat It. | ||
| I loved Boat It. | ||
| Fucking great. | ||
| When I found Carrie Cassidy's CD, I listened to the whole thing, and I was delighted. | ||
| This guy, I listened to his parody song. | ||
| I did not make it all the way through. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I didn't turn it off. | ||
| I was like, alright, I get the point. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| So, Matt is on, and he has some complaints. | ||
| Matt waiting in the sky. | ||
| See, I'm better at it just by not trying. | ||
| Just like what Alex told me. | ||
| This guy's an agitator. | ||
| He's a purple penguin coming for you. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| Matt has some Patriot friends, and maybe they've been more successful than him in some ways, and now they won't let him yell about Pfizer on their shows. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| But this is like putting chills down my spine as a Patriot, okay? | ||
| I'm not going to say who they are, but this is a real freaking story, okay? | ||
| A couple of my friends that are in the movement that have gotten shows, that's as far as I'm going to say, okay? | ||
| They've let me on their shows. | ||
| And they said, oh yeah, come on, man. | ||
| We're all buddies. | ||
| Yeah, you can get on the show. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Well, the new word on the street is, yeah, you can come on my show, but you can't say Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, and you know what? | ||
| You can say it on Alex Jones. | ||
| So who's running what? | ||
| These are supposed patriot networks. | ||
| Maybe they're bored. | ||
| Maybe you just aren't bringing a lot to the table in terms of that except for yelling Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to make of this, but I don't think it's control. | ||
| What's very funny to me is when you describe that pipeline of start yelling, it is the exact same thing as an open mic comic. | ||
| It is do some open mics, get noticed, maybe get a guest spot on a little local show, keep working your ass off. | ||
| Maybe you work at a club or you get JFL or something and he's doing the exact same shit. | ||
| And then if you get there and your friends get more success than you, you're like, man, we started together and now I can't go on their show? | ||
| They won't even talk to me about their podcast anymore. | ||
| Can't a white guy with dreadlocks get a break in this town? | ||
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Right? | |
| I spent those years. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little annoying. | ||
| I don't know who his friends are, but he does complain a lot about them on this episode. | ||
| Well, maybe he's not really friends with them. | ||
| I would imagine after this, I wouldn't want to be friends with him. | ||
| He seems to talk a lot of shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So also, another person talks shit about is Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Doesn't like Ben Shapiro much. | ||
| I'm going to up the ante on this, and I'm not supposed to say anything, and I'm not going to say any names. | ||
| But this is a fact. | ||
| And this is happening in the Patriot movement. | ||
| This is what was going on with Shapiro. | ||
| I never liked Shapiro. | ||
| I never liked Shapiro. | ||
| I thought you weren't supposed to say names. | ||
| He's a smart little guy, and he makes some good points. | ||
| But I never trusted that guy. | ||
| Never. | ||
| I always knew Alex Jones was legit. | ||
| And I'm going to tell you this is a fact. | ||
| I'm not making this up, and I'm not going to say any names. | ||
| One of my good, good friends interviewed Alex Jones, and the network... | ||
| Wouldn't let the interview go on air, even though Alex had bigged up these people and helped them promote their shows and took the time out of his life to do it, right in the middle of him being basically the hottest thing on planet Earth. | ||
| And one of the channels that you tune into and you think is helping you is going to save America, threw Alex under the bus and will throw James O 'Keefe under the bus, and you can't save Pfizer! | ||
| This is what we're dealing with. | ||
| Alex Jones didn't say anything to me. | ||
| I can say whatever I want. | ||
| Good, good, fun. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So with all due respect, which is none, I have to say that Matt and Ben Shapiro are in completely different worlds of media. | ||
| Sure, a lot of right-wing media loved the image of Matt's video yelling at the local board meeting because they knew they could use it to inspire other people to sabotage local politics and intimidate folks. | ||
| It was incredibly politically useful for them, but Matt himself isn't. | ||
| No one in the actual media would see anything worthwhile in him. | ||
| He's doing an Alex Jones impression, rattling off deep-end conspiracy bullshit. | ||
| He looks like the dirtiest form of hippie you can amend, Alex, on the other hand, just wants attention. | ||
| And if that comes with the... | ||
| Side product of elevating and being associated with a dude like this, so be it. | ||
| It took him... | ||
| Precisely five seconds of internet fame to have delusions of grandeur equal to fucking lunatics, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he talks about, like, at one point, I didn't cut a clip of this, but he talks about, like, all my life I've known I was a bit smarter than everybody else. | ||
| Oh, my God, no. | ||
| But I didn't realize it was a one in ten million type thing that people won't stand up. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I'm like, wow. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Man. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Somebody from, I'm trying to think, LFO. | ||
| Saying that they're the best band in the world. | ||
| I mean, if a bartender gives me the wrong drink, I will do my best to drink it instead of asking them to give me a new drink. | ||
| The idea is so like, I don't want to hurt your feelings. | ||
| I don't want to mess with your day. | ||
| I'm so sorry for even getting the wrong... | ||
| I shouldn't be here. | ||
| I've been thinking a lot about that Brand Nubian song, Don't Let It Go To Your Head. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This guy could stand to listen to that track. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Also, totally understandable that someone would refuse to air an interview with Alex. | ||
| Most interviews with Alex should have been thrown in the can. | ||
| Like, maybe you feel like you could have a good interview with him, and then you show up, and he refuses to engage with any questions or topics, constantly screams plugs for his own website, and says horrible, hateful shit. | ||
| At that point, it's a responsible choice not to air it. | ||
| I do wonder who Matt's talking about. | ||
| Like, who's his good friend who interviewed him? | ||
| Off the top of my head, the only real interview I can think of that Alex did that didn't come out was with Mike Tyson. | ||
| And my sense is that wasn't because it was politically explosive as much as it was probably really embarrassing since they were both on shrooms. | ||
| Maybe he's really good friends with Mike Tyson. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think that's within reach, though. | ||
| I think that's not too far away. | ||
| And if Mike Tyson had Alex on, maybe Mike Tyson is a fan of short YouTube clips of some asshole screaming at a thing. | ||
| I'm not a regular listener of his hot boxing podcast. | ||
| But I don't think he did an episode with Matt Baker, considering the guests that he has are like Eminem. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Maybe a different echelon. | ||
| Every time I hear about his podcast and what it is, I'm like, man, if you had told me this is where we were going to end up. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| So anyway, Matt, delusions. | ||
| Just delusions. | ||
| There is a huge awakening. | ||
| The good news is people are awake. | ||
| And the system's trying to mitigate that by coming in and controlling people, but I don't think they're going to be able to. | ||
| Well, I'm telling you, it's happening. | ||
| I mean, you know, I'm waiting for the phone call that I get and just figuring out what the number's going to be. | ||
| I'm going to have to say no to it if I want to freaking keep my soul. | ||
| This is crazy because some of these people, you're so happy for them. | ||
| You're like, oh, you got a gig. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And then you call them the next week and they're like, we can't talk about this. | ||
| We can't talk about that. | ||
| You're like... | ||
| And I know who you're talking about. | ||
| Very, very popular. | ||
| Just leave it at that, because I'm not saying anymore. | ||
| I swore I wouldn't say anything. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Then why did you insinuate something? | ||
| I will give them the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| You're being fucking weird as hell, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's creepy. | ||
| Don't say anything because I don't want to say anything. | ||
| You brought it up multiple times. | ||
| Yeah, if you don't want to say anything, don't even say you have something to say anything about that you're not saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| See, this is the insinuation game gone wrong. | ||
| Alex insinuates all kinds of stuff, but it's all made up. | ||
| So there's nobody that's going to call him out or get in trouble. | ||
| There's not going to be any social weirdness because he's just making shit up. | ||
| There's fake sources and all this stuff is imaginary. | ||
| Whereas Matt, he's actually probably concerned about an actual name being said or something. | ||
| It appears that way. | ||
| You know, could put him on the outs with his more successful friends. | ||
| I mean, Alex can insinuate. | ||
| That Joe Biden and the guy... | ||
| Attacking Joe Biden. | ||
| No, not Joe Biden. | ||
| Pelosi. | ||
| Pelosi's husband. | ||
| They're hammer-fucking. | ||
| They're hammer-fucking. | ||
| You can insinuate that. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| You don't have to be like, I'm not going to name names, but I think the hammer's name was fucking. | ||
| This guy needs to tighten his game up a little bit. | ||
| Also, so awesome to hear somebody having a crisis about a thing that will never happen. | ||
| Here I am, I'm going to have to turn down that number. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I'm just sitting here waiting for someone to offer me. | ||
| $10 million that I can turn down to prove my integrity. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I love... | ||
| He's essentially... | ||
| Virtue signaling based on an imaginary future offer that is not going to come. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| I think he's actually nagging the universe. | ||
| That's my thinking, right? | ||
| If you're like, oh, you're not that hot, universe, then maybe the universe will like you more. | ||
| It's like the opposite of the secret. | ||
| No, it's a full frontal assault on the secret. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, look, it just keeps going. | ||
| If I wish I could tell you who it is, I just don't feel ethically I can. | ||
| You always say as a reporter, when somebody tells you something in confidence, you have to maintain that. | ||
| I know who it is, and people can figure it out from where you're based. | ||
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Another person, too. | |
| Now it's two. | ||
| It was okay with one, now it's two. | ||
| Another person who's been on your show. | ||
| Another person who may have just recently got a deal. | ||
| And now they're, whose team are they on? | ||
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And so, when it comes around to... | |
| Pfizer thinks they're so invincible, making $80 million or whatever it is the last two years. | ||
| It seems resentful, man. | ||
| Yeah, Pfizer's the problem here. | ||
| They just keep spreading money out, and they just think they can buy us all, but buy us all while the kids all die and society collapses? | ||
| Yeah, man, it's totally... | ||
| I'm not mad that my friend got a set on Fallon. | ||
| I'm not mad. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm not mad at all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was trying to figure out who these people are in San Diego, and I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know what kind of conspiracy bullshit show is based in San Diego. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| I was thinking maybe Alex Stein, because apparently he just got a show on The Blaze. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But like... | ||
| He talks really highly of Alex Stein during this, so I don't think that's him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's a red herring to throw us off the trail. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Maybe he realized he'd said too much. | ||
| He said way too much, because he has. | ||
| He said he wants to... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Okay, so later in the... | ||
| I don't have any clips of this, but later in the interview, he goes on a long... | ||
| Diatribe about how he wants to start like a Freedom Awards or Liberty Awards or something like that. | ||
| Like an Oscars for Patriots. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| And so he's gonna actually do it. | ||
| It's planned for like later this year. | ||
| Gonna fall apart, I'm sure. | ||
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Oh god. | |
| But yeah, Alex Stein is in the running for Best Patriot Comedian. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That is so fucking brutal. | ||
| Lifetime Achievement Award, Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| What are we going to do with our lives? | ||
| I think we're going to have to watch that, obviously, if it's broadcast. | ||
| I mean, if it happens, I'll go. | ||
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Well, for sure. | |
| For sure. | ||
| I'll report live. | ||
| I'll go red carpet. | ||
| No, I assume it's a black tie event, for sure. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, anyway, we get done with the petty bullshit. | ||
| We're up for best antagonists. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| It's Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I will send Hillary Clinton up to accept on our behalf. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We'll do it remotely. | ||
| So, we're done with the petty portion, and now we jump to something that I find interesting. | ||
| Here's three dynamics that I find intertwined with Matt. | ||
| Actually, four if you count the pettiness. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There is... | ||
| An intense stupidity and bigotry, which we'll get to later. | ||
| There's gonna be a portion of this that I would give a strong content warning, perhaps, on. | ||
| And we'll get to that later, and that sucks. | ||
| But then there's also an angle of it that's like, oh, this is derivative bullshit. | ||
| He's just doing an Alex impression. | ||
| But then there's this other thread that is... | ||
| He kind of is close to getting some things in a way that, like... | ||
| I don't usually hear people around it for wars. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And this is one of the examples of that. | ||
| Even far-right people in San Diego get a little bit of the rubbing off contact. | ||
| Well, in the same way that he's playing the insinuation game wrong, he might be thinking one stage further than most people care to. | ||
| And that's kind of a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, what I've got to say about Trump is, if Trump gets back in, now that we know that they have the total apparatus to seal elections... | ||
| Did they want him to get in? | ||
| And now can you trust that? | ||
| And then ask yourself this. | ||
| Why is it, why is it that supposedly all the, maybe they're all, there's no help with these politicians at all. | ||
| I've always liked what DeSantis is doing. | ||
| I think DeSantis is great. | ||
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He walks, walks, talks, talks, but people say, oh, look who's backing him. | |
| Look who's backing him. | ||
| But that's another thing. | ||
| It's so easy for them to just say, oh, we funded this guy, so now you don't trust him. | ||
| Matt is thinking through his conspiracy beliefs, and he's starting to get to the point where he should be realizing they're dead ends. | ||
| Yeah, that's a bad idea. | ||
| This honestly should be an entry point for him to realize how much of his belief system is based on whims and the messaging that he gets from outlets like Infowars and Tucker, but it won't be. | ||
| This'll just be a little blip and essentially an isn't-it-weird kind of moment. | ||
| This is a great illustration of the self-defeating nature of the modern far-right conspiracy paradigm. | ||
| In about 30 seconds, Matt lays out two really central pillars of far-right thought and hits a brick wall where each reveal themselves to be self-contradictory. | ||
| The first is the idea that the globalists can essentially control all elections, and all elections are stolen to serve the whims of the power elite. | ||
| This was a central pillar of the InfoWars conspiracy space for years and years, where Bush and Clinton were just puppets on New World Order strings. | ||
| Made things simpler because you could get them all, yeah, they're all in there. | ||
| Yep, that narrative had to change a bit when Trump won because according to the storyline, he was the anti-NWO guy who was fighting the globalists, so there wasn't really a way to make this make sense if the globalists stole the election in his favor. | ||
| Thus, the transition to a talking point where the globalists tried to steal the election, but Trump was just too popular, so he overcame the theft. | ||
| I'll be the first to admit that that's a pretty good save, but it's also a one-time solution. | ||
| If that truly is the case, then the globalists aren't going to let that happen again because they learn from their mistakes. | ||
| They're a scientific technocracy, for fuck's sake. | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| This presents a pretty large problem for 2024, but I think the audience is so uncritical that these thought leaders can easily just flash up a fake graph and say, amazingly, it was just such a huge landslide that the steel didn't work again. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| And people will buy it. | ||
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| There will be people like Matt here, though, who are thinking this through a little bit. | ||
| If our enemy is all-powerful and in control of the electoral system, doesn't it imply that whoever gets in is who they wanted to get in? | ||
| If Trump wins again, then he must be the globalists' choice. | ||
| been the subject of the we beat the odds to overcome the stolen election narrative once already. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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He's kind of shiny and new toy in that respect. | |
| But that seems like that's why that's the one that they should be like, oh, he's the one that they are putting in there because he's not Trump. | ||
| He's behaving like a pretend Trump. | ||
| You know, he's he's doing stupid shit, which works apparently. | ||
| So isn't he trying to. | ||
| To trick us, because Trump is the real one, so they've learned from their mistakes, and they've chosen DeSantis, right? | ||
| That's the way you do it. | ||
| But maybe that's what they want you to think. | ||
| Well, that's the problem with an all-powerful villain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Matt's also wrestling with a second narrative dead end, which is that any politician is super easy to criticize based on their donors, and you can really assassinate anyone's character based on that if you want to. | ||
| He wants to back DeSantis, and does, but there's the question of his backers. | ||
| This is a great example of selectively creating a problem. | ||
| That expectation is that these candidates should be held responsible for who backs them, but they really want to support DeSantis and his backers are bad. | ||
| Instead of sticking to the imaginary principle of judging a candidate by their backers, Matt is able to rationalize that you can call anyone bad by pointing to the bad people who financially Right. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Further, it would be great if he could just think a little bit further down the line about the stolen elections and realize that this isn't a real thing either, and just exist as a narrative crutch to rationalize why supposedly super popular candidates end up losing, and to delegitimize the electoral wins of candidates that extreme right-wing folks don't want to accept actually are popular. | ||
| He's not going to do any of these things, though, because quieting that voice that could recognize that all this is bullshit is the surest path to not selling any more shirts. | ||
| So, you gotta keep it up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Man, that's so funny. | ||
| I don't know why it's so funny to me, but the idea of one of these people being like, wait a second. | ||
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If they control the elections... | |
| No! | ||
| No, don't think these thoughts! | ||
| No, you'll lose money! | ||
| This is awful! | ||
| No! | ||
| You know what's so awesome, too? | ||
| There's a real fucking insult to Ron Paul buried in here. | ||
| Because, like, the whole notion of why Ron Paul didn't win is because everything was, like, stacked against him and they stole it from him. | ||
| The whole thing, yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, like... | ||
| If it's possible to overcome that stealing, that means that Ron Paul must have been super unpopular. | ||
| No! | ||
| Don't think these thoughts! | ||
| You'll lose money! | ||
| So Alex attacked Trump, and he's saying this in response to Matt saying that these friends of his on these shows, they can't insult Trump or whatever. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And Alex says something that I don't think is correct. | ||
| I noticed about six months ago over the vaccines, so-called vaccines, I finally got pissed. | ||
| And said, I'm not going to support Trump if he doesn't come out against these shots. | ||
| And man, it was like a switch, revenue-wise. | ||
| Even though our revenue is supposedly for people buying products at InfoWareStore.com, it went down like 40% overnight. | ||
| And I guess that's just programmed people that hear me pissed at Trump. | ||
| I still like a lot of what he did. | ||
| I still think he was better than Obama or Mitt Romney or whatever. | ||
| But I mean, it's like, wow, there is definitely... | ||
| So I think a lot of that is just situational. | ||
| I think a lot of these networks like Newsmax or OAN or others mean well, but they see, oh, it's okay to care about Democrats, but when you say, hey, Republicans do a better job here, oh, no, don't do that, because people see that as infighting. | ||
| It's not infighting, but take Newsmax. | ||
| So when I said I didn't think it was real, I meant the number. | ||
| I don't think that number is accurate. | ||
| No. | ||
| It sounds really weird him saying that his revenue supposedly comes from selling supplements, though. | ||
| That doesn't sound good, but I guess it doesn't matter now that he's on a platform completely unrelated to free speech systems. | ||
| Speak freely, Alex. | ||
| All mocking aside, Alex is expressing something that's painfully transparent, and that is that no one buys his shit for its own sake. | ||
| They buy things to support his messaging, and then when they don't like his messaging, they no longer need that snake oil, and they stop buying it. | ||
| Every one of the right-wing shithead networks that make any money understands this. | ||
| You tailor your message to the audience, and the audience pays to keep you around and give you money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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They don't exist to cover actual reality or news. | |
| It's narrative-based content, and if the narrative that's being relayed is out of sync with what the audience wants to accept as reality, They'll find someone else who will give them that narrative and that magic. | ||
| Yeah, you're coin-operated lie machines. | ||
| Don't fuck with the coins. | ||
| Yeah, and even Alex gets this. | ||
| I don't trust the numbers that he's citing at all, but I bet his revenue did drop some at that point that he's describing, which is why he never followed through with his plan to burn Trump. | ||
| When Alex made his ultimatum that Trump had to come out against the vaccines or else Alex was going to destroy him, nothing happened. | ||
| Trump probably didn't even hear about that ultimatum, and nothing happened. | ||
| Alex pretended that it didn't happen at all, and then he went back to saying, I'm mad at Trump about the vaccines, but golly, isn't he so good in other ways? | ||
| That was the middle ground of appeasing the pro-Trump elements of the audience, and making sure that they didn't abandon ship, while giving the anti-Trump contingent the appearance of providing some pushback, and like, hey look, I call his like I see him, you know, he's bad on this. | ||
| That's just another one of those things that you can't think too much more about because if you're like, listen, if we go off message for even a second, people hate us. | ||
| So, do you think maybe, maybe you're not fostering a good environment for disagreement and growth? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably not! | ||
| Maybe, maybe you're a bunch of fucking fascists, you bunch of morons. | ||
| So, um, look, maybe so. | ||
| But isn't that better than spooky things going on during the Super Bowl halftime show? | ||
| Eh, you're right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, isn't an oppressive society that is intolerant entirely of people who the power structure deems to be outside the norm, isn't that preferable to... | ||
| Like, weird lighting and costumes at a Super Bowl halftime show? | ||
| I mean, the lights did go out one time during the Super Bowl, and that was during play. | ||
| And there was one time... | ||
| So if fascism can keep that from happening again, I mean, I suppose it is better. | ||
| And there was one time there was that wardrobe malfunction. | ||
| Wardrobes run correctly under fascists. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Timberlake would be dead. | ||
| So anyway, Matt has a prediction of some Illuminati bullshit going on during the Super Bowl. | ||
| You know what would be really shocking would be if... | ||
| The Super Bowl went off without an Illuminati satanic ritual. | ||
| But, you know, at this point, they've pushed the bar of that so far because, you know, a lot of that is ritual. | ||
| And I think a lot of it is free advertising. | ||
| It's like Madonna started this thing back in the day. | ||
| And now she's doing her same old thing and she's just a washed up old hag. | ||
| And I'm looking at Madonna and people are like posting Madonna videos. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| Stop posting your crap. | ||
| I mean, I even put some of that thing on the end of my video. | ||
| That was actually my buddy, the cameraman. | ||
| He was like, dude, are we going to put that on? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's what the devil does is he always does some horrible, provocative thing just to get your attention because he's circling the intergalactic toilet bowl. | ||
| Right, and so most times if there's a product or if there's something to do with these things, I feel like that's easy. | ||
| Or like, look at this person and their podcast and they did this. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I would rather just, my theory on it is like locked. | ||
| You know, in Sodom and Gomorrah at a certain point, I'm not a perfect person. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| I appreciate a hot woman just like you. | ||
| But when it comes to some of this really depraved stuff, especially on TV and spreading it around on the internet. | ||
| When we look at it and we get offended and then we go around and we're like, look at this, look at this. | ||
| And I see all my fellow conservatives hosting it. | ||
| It's like I wouldn't have even heard of it if it wasn't for everyone's outrage. | ||
| It's almost like we're promoting it. | ||
| Don't think too much about that. | ||
| Don't think too much about that. | ||
| Do you remember when all the rappers were covering up one eye and making triangles and stuff and all the checkerboard patterns in music videos? | ||
| It wasn't because the Illuminati is behind it. | ||
| It's because you... | ||
| Dumb Dumbs are giving them all this free press and all this controversy that ended up getting clicks and views on YouTube. | ||
| And yeah, you're starting to get it. | ||
| The system rolls along, man. | ||
| It's all meaningless. | ||
| You're a cog. | ||
| And frankly, how fucking dare you? | ||
| Listen, I don't like Madonna's last few albums. | ||
| You don't get to talk shit about fucking Madonna. | ||
| She's fucking Madonna! | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I understand that she- You're a guy who yelled at a fucking meeting. | ||
| But it was, I mean, a lot of people liked it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talk shit about Madonna. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, Madonna is innovative. | ||
| She was around at a point when she was just paradigm-breaking and a legend. | ||
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| She was also in Dick Tracy. | ||
| Yep, that's also true. | ||
| And this guy wrote... | ||
| Hey, she was in a league of their own. | ||
| Mind control to major scale. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| He is better than David Bowie. | ||
| I made a mistake there. | ||
| Put that up against Vogue. | ||
| Like a prayer. | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Major scam. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Mind control to major scam. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Why would you just go after Madonna now? | ||
| Well, because he's a piece of shit. | ||
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| We're going to learn how deep that goes as we go along. | ||
| I started this thinking he was a boring Alex clone, kind of, just doing a bad impression. | ||
| I found him boring, and then I thought it was interesting because he was starting to kind of get close to getting it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Between the, like, oh, wait, if... | ||
| Our guy wins the election. | ||
| Doesn't that mean the globalists want it? | ||
| That is very close to penetrating the shell of the conspiracy bullshit. | ||
| And then here, he's very close to understanding, oh, all this stuff we're outraged about is really only just driving traffic for the people we're pretending to hate all the time. | ||
| And so there is this futility of almost getting it. | ||
| He's like a little raptor getting out of the shell. | ||
| Getting out of the egg. | ||
| Clawing at it, but he's just not strong enough. | ||
| If a raptor can't get out of the egg. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like a sad turtle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sad turtle buried in the sand, can't hatch and can't make it to the water. | ||
| But also the turtle is screaming. | ||
| Yeah, it's a really annoying turtle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a boring turtle, too. | ||
| It's like screaming the lyrics to Bare Naked Ladies songs. | ||
| Or Ground Control to Major Scale. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| But then, as the episode goes on and the interview goes longer, I realize, like, oh, I just hate this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| He's just a bigoted piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he also is bad at analogies. | ||
| That's common. | ||
| I'm just saying, anybody who's a fan, stop being a fan. | ||
| Like I was talking about the other day, the analogy of the Super Bowl. | ||
| There's certain people playing the game, but the fate of the entire stadium is within the game. | ||
| But the thing is, the globalists only have a few people paying for the people that are on their side and their team. | ||
| So let's bring them into the game. | ||
| Is this an analogy? | ||
| And now let's bring people on our side. | ||
| And I'm talking to the people in the nosebleeds. | ||
| I'm talking to the people way out. | ||
| You told it better yesterday, so start over. | ||
| Take your time. | ||
| We think of 11 players there in the New World Order, 11 players ours. | ||
| No. | ||
| All the people in the stands are really who we are. | ||
| Explain that again. | ||
| Well, I'm not a big fan of repeating myself, but I'll give it a go because I can never say no to Alex Jones. | ||
| I think Alex, I might take that as him being a little rude. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be like, hey, shut the fuck up, dude. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| You told this better the other day. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, hey, how about you start from the beginning and we'll edit that shit out? | ||
| What a gracious host. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So he does take another swing at this, another bite at the apple. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Everyone likes it and out, right? | ||
| So when you're watching the Super Bowl... | ||
| Is that an analogy? | ||
| I want you to imagine 11 players on the field. | ||
| That's Team Humanity. | ||
| That's Alex Jones. | ||
| That's Matt Baker. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Maybe Elon Musk might even be on our team at a certain point. | ||
| And then you've got your Fauci's. | ||
| And you've got your Bill Gates. | ||
| And they're all being run by the people in the Skybox. | ||
| The people in the Skybox own their team. | ||
| The other team is working for the entire planet Earth. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing here? | ||
| Whoever wins that game is going to have every person in that stadium, fate is on it. | ||
| So if humanity loses, humanity gets in prison for all time. | ||
| If the globalists lose, they get in prison for all time. | ||
| So when we watch our players, you watch Alex Jones, and they go up against each other, the problem is, is the game is rigged. | ||
| And so the individual players get kneecapped. | ||
| They get handicapped. | ||
| Alex Jones has massive victories. | ||
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| Alex Jones crushes globalists on a daily basis. | ||
| Are we still in the game? | ||
| Just mutilating them with the truth constantly. | ||
| It's like mutant league football. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, what is he? | ||
| Left tackle? | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| They stab all of the great patriots. | ||
| You can stab people in the game? | ||
| They stab, sorry, James O 'Keefe. | ||
| They stab him in the ribs, and then they go, go out and finish the game, and when he has no platform. | ||
| It's got to be a 15-yard penalty. | ||
| When he doesn't have a Twitter. | ||
| I think that might even be a red card. | ||
| At that point, when you realize that the game is rigged, and that we, the people, all of the people in the cheap seats are on the one side, and only the five people in the skybox are on the other side, you say, this game's rigged, we're on the field, there's five, seven billion of us, and we're going to take this entire stadium over! | ||
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Send out their little minions, and they send them to the floor. | |
| They're going to run away, and they'll end up mushed on the ground just by the amount of people coming down. | ||
| Yeah, this is a dumb analogy, because the way he's telling it, no one wins the game. | ||
| There is no game. | ||
| It's supposed to be a football game where humanity, if they win, then the globalists are imprisoned, and if the globalists win, humanity is enslaved. | ||
| That's a fine setup, but then it goes off the rails when he seems to think that the victory condition for a football game is one team's fans take over the stadium. | ||
| I mean, you know... | ||
| Honestly, again, I feel like this analogy is him accidentally getting a little bit too close to it. | ||
| The game is all bullshit, man. | ||
| The game is all bullshit. | ||
| In order to win the game, the crowd has to occupy the stadium. | ||
| Or leave the stadium. | ||
| Or leave the stadium. | ||
| Do you see what I'm saying? | ||
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He's almost getting it for his dumb ad analog. | |
| But that's not there at all. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| For this analogy to work, the things need to be analogous. | ||
| Things need to be comparable. | ||
| That is one of the prerequisites for the word itself. | ||
| Within the rules of football, it's hard to make this work because the audience doesn't get to play in the game. | ||
| I think the best you could do is say that humanity has a deep bench. | ||
| And even though the globalists are cheating and stabbing people, apparently, every time they take out one of our players, another monster of liberty gets off the bench and into the game, and you need to prepare yourself to possibly be on that bench. | ||
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| That might work. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Outside of that, This is just a good metaphor for Alex because all the people in the crowd, all they can do is cheer and buy merch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is all Alex wants anybody to do anyway. | ||
| And yell, the game is rigged. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The game is rigged! | ||
| Yeah, man, it is rigged! | ||
| Also, Bill Gates is on the field or in the skybox. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I refuse to acknowledge his teams whatsoever. | ||
| Yeah, it's very dumb. | ||
| Unless he chooses all 11 players for each team, and then we get to argue about it. | ||
| That, I think, would be cool. | ||
| And where we would put him? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What's the position? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| See, now that's fun. | ||
| This is another example of him sucking. | ||
| Here's the problem, though, too, for their team. | ||
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| There's no way they could get along. | ||
| I mean, you don't have to get along to win football games, buddy. | ||
| What? | ||
| The Raiders. | ||
| I don't know, maybe they liked each other. | ||
| But they at least had a common purpose as, like, we're playing a football game. | ||
| The egos involved in what he's describing as team humanity, it would be impossible. | ||
| And there are people who sabotage each other and are petty as shit. | ||
| Meanwhile, team globalists, they are single-minded in focus. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| They work as a well-oiled machine. | ||
| I don't think anybody on team humanity wants to... | ||
| No one's playing right guard. | ||
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| You know, absolutely not. | ||
| That's not happening. | ||
| Your job for humanity is to run into that person over and over again. | ||
| Yeah, they don't want to do that. | ||
| Great. | ||
| No, I want to catch the touchdown passes. | ||
| Yeah, they're all fucking quarterbacks. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas on Team Globalist, it's all the offensive line. | ||
| They're all tight ends. | ||
| Everyone's a role player. | ||
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| For whatever needs to be done, whatever I'm best at. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, Matt, he liked Alex's shit during COVID, and that kind of got him into this game. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What spurred you to finally go to city councils and finally speak out? | ||
| I mean, it wasn't... | ||
| I wouldn't say it was... | ||
| Like, oh, I listen to Alex Jones, and that's why I did it. | ||
| Honestly, I think it's in your heart. | ||
| I think a lot of people have it in their heart. | ||
| I think a lot of people want to say no. | ||
| I think a lot of people have strong will. | ||
| And I think people just need to, it's like a muscle. | ||
| You just start exercising it. | ||
| During the COVID lockdowns and that whole thing, that whole mind control situation, I mean, yeah, I was listening to InfoWars, and yeah, it helped me. | ||
| Like, I saw it, I'm like, this is a sci-fi, this is fake. | ||
| But then as all the information comes in, and especially you and your guests, you get more and more convinced. | ||
| You're like, no, wait. | ||
| This really is wrong. | ||
| They really haven't tested this vaccine. | ||
| There really is no proof. | ||
| Fauci really did say wear the mask. | ||
| Don't wear the mask. | ||
| Wear ten masks. | ||
| Wear three masks. | ||
| The virus works. | ||
| The vaccine works. | ||
| The vaccine doesn't work. | ||
| Every day they're changing their tune on TV. | ||
| And then you know that they're using mRNA technology, which you know has never been tested, or has been tested, and all the rats die. | ||
| Smiles, smiles, what? | ||
| Whatever the fuck they were. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| And then you start realizing. | ||
| Middle-aged mice. | ||
| Oh yeah, I remember that. | ||
| No one else. | ||
| It's almost like we're in a video game. | ||
| You like video games? | ||
| It's almost like we're not in reality. | ||
| Let's pretend you're a hero. | ||
| I mean, I think that's a perfect articulation of it. | ||
| Let's pretend you're a hero. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's basically what you're doing. | ||
| You're like, oh, I'm changing the world by screaming at people at a local board meeting. | ||
| You know what I think of when I think of will? | ||
| When I think of individuality? | ||
| I think that if you say the wrong thing and your audience goes, we are not fans of you anymore, as one, that's individuality. | ||
| It's, yeah, it's a strong, and when I think of heroic, I think of guy yelling bullshit and making parody songs. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A lot of people are like, you know, standing against the crowd. | ||
| That takes courage. | ||
| And I disagree. | ||
| I think being in the middle of the crowd, pretending that you are just one organism trying to topple a government. | ||
| Now that's individuality. | ||
| So look, there's a lot of negatives. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But Matt has a positive. | ||
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| And this is a big positive. | ||
| Let me talk about something positive for a sec. | ||
| I will say, I have noticed recently, back in the day, there was a lot of Alex Jones memes and video clips going around, and then there was a long period of time where that was very low on the totem pole and not a big thing. | ||
| I surf Instagram and all these things. | ||
| Do you mean when he was de-platform? | ||
| It's sad, actually. | ||
| I wish this battle... | ||
| That's the one thing I don't like about the battle, is to be informed, you kind of have to become an addict of, like... | ||
| The machine. | ||
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| You want to tune out of it because that's the ultimate defense, but because they're in the Matrix, you've got to jack into it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You always use that. | ||
| Yeah, to fight the Mr. Smiths, you actually have to get into the Matrix, unfortunately. | ||
| And unfortunately, they'll pull your plug, like I was saying the other day on TV, if you don't get in there and fight it. | ||
| So I have noticed a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of clips of Alex. | ||
| Even vintage old classic clips, new clips, meme clips, statement clips, daily clips. | ||
| I've been seeing it. | ||
| It's definitely – I don't know whether you're noticing it or not, but I've definitely noticed an uptick in all of my media that I'm following. | ||
| So the positive that Matt sees in the world is that a lot of accounts he follows are posting clips of Alex, which is... | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I'm sure his follow list is a robust cross-section of people of all different walks of life and political ideologies. | ||
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He's really getting the heartbeat of the nation. | |
| Yeah, it's almost weird that this seems to coincide with someone recently taking over a platform that had kicked a lot of far-right figures off of it and then suddenly allowed them back on. | ||
| Oh, no, that has nothing to do with it. | ||
| Not related at all. | ||
| So there's not a reason for things happening. | ||
| It's just an imaginary thing that happened. | ||
| Well, it's the universe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I'm fascinated by this rationale that in order to be in the fight, you have to be addicted to social media. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's obviously not true, but I think what's really being communicated here is that social media is where all these people get their spin and narratives from. | ||
| Some of it is from shows like Alex or Tucker, but more often than not, those shows are just covering bullshit that someone else posted on social media the day before. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| What Matt is saying is that to stay up to date on what's popular in the fringe right-wing media, It's really important to obsessively monitor social media so you can see the trends and how various conspiracies are performing. | ||
| That way you can pick which ones are the best for you to adopt and champion and which don't really get people excited. | ||
| It's market research. | ||
| Which is absolutely nothing like a regular old influencer that we all know all the time from Instagram or wherever you are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or sort of the alternative is just trying to put a high-minded explanation on why you are obsessed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's either that or you're trying to make TikTok videos for money. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| Okay, fine, man. | ||
| So, we know Alex. | ||
| He believes that negative consequences are an indication of virtue. | ||
| And the way that he always talks about it is that... | ||
| Back in the day, the fighter pilots would go wherever the flack is. | ||
| That's where you go. | ||
| You didn't have radar. | ||
| You'd fly over the flack, and that's where you drop your bombs. | ||
| Alex has talked about this a million times, to the point where, as he was starting to get into the... | ||
| He starts telling a story about his grandfather being a pilot, and I was like, this is gonna end up with him talking about you go over the flack to drop your bombs. | ||
| It's just, you can hear it coming a mile away. | ||
| So Alex gets down this path, and then he starts... | ||
| Crying. | ||
| This is really weird. | ||
| Because his grandfather is, because he's talking about his Nazi grandfather. | ||
| I'm not sure, but this is just, this was very upsetting. | ||
| Both my grandfathers were the Army Air Corps. | ||
| One flew fighter planes, only did a few missions, crash landed, coming back into England, almost died, flipped the plane, you know, wasn't like some super ace or anything, but my dad's dad volunteered for more missions. | ||
| It was Catch-22, you did 22, North Africa into Italy. | ||
| Whole nine yards. | ||
| The Germans attacked their base in North Africa. | ||
| We didn't know this until he died. | ||
| We had all the letters and commendations and medals. | ||
| And he died like 52 of cancer. | ||
| My dad's dad, Jerry Jones, not the Dallas Cowboys owner, but the point was they strapped their base, shot him up, blew him up. | ||
| He had concussions. | ||
| The next day their plane flies out. | ||
| He's not the captain anymore. | ||
| It blows up over Italy. | ||
| And he had guilt until the day he died. | ||
| So he had like 18 missions in, he re-ups for a whole other 22 missions, and then re-ups for a whole, and they finally pulled him and said, no, we're going to make you a manager once he invaded Italy to run like the feeding the troops thing as an officer. | ||
| But the point was, is that researching what those B-17 pilots, he flew a Liberator at first, and the B-17 was, you went, they didn't have radar back then. | ||
| It had just been developed, it wasn't in Europe. | ||
| You went to where the flak was. | ||
| You went to where the attack was. | ||
| So they would see all these cannons exploding and all the shrapnel, and they would steer into those hundreds of planes, into the shrapnel, into the attack, to then drop their bombs. | ||
| And so the U.S. troops could take out the tank fields and take out the factories and everything. | ||
| And the Russians didn't have that, so they lost 20 million troops. | ||
| The U.S. lost less than a million because they sent the Army Air Corps in. | ||
| But the reason I tell that story is... | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| We're going in, over the flack, into the attack, and that's what we're doing, and that's why I love the attack. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm ready to go to prison. | ||
| I'm ready to die because this commitment against these people and all these unborn children and all the little kids they're trying to give the shots to and all the evil they're doing, if we can stand up for them and be men right now, we're going to save a lot of lives. | ||
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I can feel that, bro. | |
| That pause was... | ||
| And that response is... | ||
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I feel that, bro! | |
| Joe, bro! | ||
| I get you! | ||
| You gotta get that radar, bro! | ||
| Alex, are you alright? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're breaking down into tears. | ||
| I feel that, bro. | ||
| Talking about something that is a boring thing you say, like, almost every day. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Something's wrong, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It just sounds like he might have... | ||
| Something bad might have happened to him recently, I think. | ||
| Could be the laryngitis. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably. | ||
| Probably the laryngitis. | ||
| So here is where I guess I would start a bit of a content warning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Matt gets into some of his ideas about LGBTQ stuff, and maybe some of this is... | ||
| Pretty bad. | ||
| He has some bad ideas. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| It seems like a real piece of shit. | ||
| Great. | ||
| This will be most of the rest of the episode, I believe. | ||
| Click! | ||
| Also, I want to say this. | ||
| As some cold comfort, perhaps, that is that you really get the sense that towards the end of this, Alex has had about enough of this guy. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay, that's good. | ||
| I do think that he's a little annoyed, and maybe it's just because, like, hey, you know what? | ||
| This guy came to prominence by yelling for a couple minutes at a board meeting. | ||
| You don't want to talk to him for an hour. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| The reason you're not guesting on people's show is because they don't want you to yell Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer. | ||
| Or you don't have much else. | ||
| It's because you have nothing else to say. | ||
| And when you do venture into other topics, you sound like a fucking idiot. | ||
| You sound like an insane person. | ||
| You end up with these bizarre analogies and then... | ||
| Alright, so it's a football game. | ||
| So here he has a take on hormone therapy. | ||
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Let's talk about hormone therapy. | |
| Hormone therapy. | ||
| Everything's a double-edged sword, right? | ||
| I mean, is it evil to have hormone therapy? | ||
| Is it bad? | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Let's put it this way. | ||
| When somebody goes into the doctor and they say, you know, your blood sugar's too hot, they give them insulin to bring it down. | ||
| When they say, You know, your blood pressure is too high. | ||
| You're going to have a heart attack. | ||
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Give them something to bring it down. | |
| When you have a son and he's acting a little fruity, they're like, oh, this guy, maybe we should give him some more estrogen. | ||
| Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe there should be an actual hormone therapy because of all of the endocrine disruptors that are destroying the... | ||
| Gonads of the male to say, if you have a fruity son, maybe he does need hormone therapy. | ||
| Maybe give him just a little taste of testosterone and see how he feels when he looks at a woman. | ||
| Give him a little taste. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So, leaving aside how stupid and offensive that is, it should be pointed out that these people like Alex and Matt clearly don't have an actual problem with hormone therapy. | ||
| Their only actual complaint is that they want to restrict its use so it holds up their narrow and bigoted worldviews. | ||
| If taken at face value, Matt isn't just talking about trans people here. | ||
| He's also suggesting that if a parent suspects their son is gay, they should give him testosterone to make him like women. | ||
| This even goes past a lot of the Infowars-style talking points where it's fair game to delegitimize trans existence. | ||
| This is bordering on suggesting that being gay isn't even a real thing, it's just that gay men don't have enough testosterone. | ||
| I guess lesbians don't have enough estrogen or something, I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Matt doesn't elaborate on this point. | ||
| Also, most hormone therapy is used to treat side effects of things like menopause and often is a part of cancer treatments. | ||
| I wonder if Matt's worried about how one possible approach that you can take for prostate cancer is using CYP17 inhibitors, which decrease your levels of androgen. | ||
| You know you might want to treat the cancer, but what if it makes you fruity in the process? | ||
| These are not serious people, and their ideas don't deserve to be taken seriously. | ||
| The only thing that's even real here is the damage that their political movement can do to members of the LGBTQ community, and how that needs to be pushed back against aggressively. | ||
| But in terms of what he's saying, this means nothing. | ||
| He's just saying things. | ||
| I mean, okay. | ||
| Disregarding the content of what he's saying. | ||
| Let's just focus on what he's doing. | ||
| He's saying that if there is blood pressure or whatever, there's a thing. | ||
| And he accepts that a doctor will prescribe that thing for its use correctly. | ||
| He just blanket accepts that. | ||
| Then there's another thing. | ||
| Diabetes, insulin. | ||
| He blanket accepts that insulin does the thing that it is supposed to do. | ||
| Now, he asks the question, why... | ||
| Do we not do something similar in this situation? | ||
| There is an answer to that question. | ||
| There is. | ||
| There is an answer that you could go find. | ||
| You could go find the answer about fucking insulin, too. | ||
| But you just accept that the answer to insulin is true because that's what you've been raised to believe is true, despite the fact that you're a fucking moron! | ||
| True. | ||
| And you have no idea how correct you are. | ||
| Because this continues. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And Matt seems to suggest that parents should drug their children. | ||
| That's another thing. | ||
| That idea of giving them a little taste. | ||
| We need to addict our children to offensively ogling women? | ||
| Give them a little taste. | ||
| We need to give them a taste of ogling? | ||
| Give them a little taste. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| Yeah, it's a little weird. | ||
| But he also thinks that you should do it even without their consent or awareness. | ||
| Great. | ||
| They're not people. | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| I bet he has children. | ||
| I'm not joking. | ||
| This is a serious thing I'm talking about. | ||
| Like, please. | ||
| Does anybody consider... | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Bertrand Russell said, we'll use hormones. | ||
| And injections and diet to control people, and they've done it. | ||
| If your son is, I don't know if the testosterone boost works, and I'm not a doctor, I'm just saying, what if, let's say, you know, you had a son who was acting a little fruity, and maybe you just accidentally put some, you know, testosterone boost in his fruity pebbles or something. | ||
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Like, you're really going to let your kid become a little wimp? | |
| When a wimpy woman doesn't feel happy being wimpy, and so she takes us all around and becomes a tough guy? | ||
| Yeah, they call it toxic masculinity, but we're designed to be leaders and do that. | ||
| Honestly, he sounds a lot like someone who blows glass that you would run into. | ||
| Maybe he's a guy who you accidentally end up in a smoke circle with, and then you're like, I'm not going to hang out with that guy ever again. | ||
| Sounds like a fucking idiot. | ||
| I mean, it sounds a lot like this guy wants to create some sort of master race using biological weapons on them without their consent. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, if you're a parent and you arbitrarily decide that your kid, your son, isn't masculine enough, maybe, because you have decided that you think he's gay or something like that, then yeah, put hormones in his food in order to make him into what you want him to be. | ||
| Yeah, that's gonna... | ||
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Fuck! | |
| I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, later on in life, that's going to foster a really good parent-child relationship. | ||
| Also... | ||
| For somebody who is screaming at the San Diego board about the Nuremberg Codes and the ideas of informed consent, I do think that maybe drugging your child in their food maybe runs counter to that a little bit. | ||
| They're not people. | ||
| I own them. | ||
| The Bible says so. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe a little consistency, Matt. | ||
| Yeah, so, I mean, this gets worse, and Matt sucks. | ||
| He has even worse opinions and worse things to say, but, like... | ||
| Honestly, what do you expect? | ||
| He's just someone whose only claim to fame is looking interesting in as much as he has dreadlocks and screaming at a board meeting. | ||
| That's not somebody who has any reason to be listened to on issues that are outside of anything he's ever explored. | ||
| Anything he has any awareness of. | ||
| He's just a... | ||
| Fucking idiot and should be treated as such. | ||
| It's the old adage. | ||
| It's like, anybody who wants power is the last person who should have it. | ||
| And it's very much like, anybody who wants attention like this should not get attention like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's just the reality of it. | ||
| And quite frankly, most outlets would never... | ||
| Give him the time of day. | ||
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Nope. | |
| That's why InfoWars is like bottom-of-the-barrel shit. | ||
| That's what it's there for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| You're not even doing InfoWars. | ||
| You're doing his podcast. | ||
| We're so thrilled for the third episode of my dumb not-related-to-free-speech-systems show. | ||
| Completely unrelated-to-free-speech-systems. | ||
| We're going to have this guy who fucking screamed at a meeting. | ||
| Man, an hour. | ||
| We have high-profile guests. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So anyway, we have one last clip here, and like I said, I think Matt wore out his welcome a little bit, in terms of just being, not like he pissed off Alex, but just like, Alex seems to disengage a bit, and I don't think Alex liked this that much. | ||
| I want to just break everybody's mind, because everyone says Alex Jones and I look alike. | ||
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Now, I don't want to, like, it's crazy, but Bill Hicks is actually my brother-in-law. | |
| Now, if you can believe that. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| I actually used to look just like Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't believe it? | ||
| Just like Alex Jones. | ||
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But then, I started taking the beard and hair formula, and dude, overnight, it is amazing. | |
| I mean, I just grew these massive hair, because before, I couldn't even really join the movement, because everyone was just telling me I was Bill Hicks. | ||
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But now, I'm like, it's his whole own thing. | |
| I'm like, yeah, Matt Baker! | ||
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Dreadlock of power! | |
| You know? | ||
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Whew. | |
| So, good bit. | ||
| Get back on the open mic scene, buddy. | ||
| Good bit. | ||
| Workshop that. | ||
| Weaved it into a plug for the hair and beard formula. | ||
| Kinda. | ||
| Which is smooth. | ||
| And yeah, honestly, the only reason Alex is interested in this guy at all is because everyone said that he's, like, bored meeting Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, there's this similarity, and I think... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex probably feels a need to co-opt that a little bit. | ||
| Or get it close to him so it's not some other thing. | ||
| I would be... | ||
| I mean, there were some clips that you played where if I was Alex, I would be like, are you parodying me? | ||
| Are you fucking with me right now? | ||
| Because there were some parts where he's like, okay, imagine this! | ||
| Imagine this! | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You know, he's doing that thing, which is clearly... | ||
| I've seen enough of the little videos that he does that I don't think it's parody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think he's just doing an absolute, dead-on, terrible impression. | ||
| Well, I mean, certainly, Alex does terrible comedy, and mind control to major scam is certainly... | ||
| That's up there. | ||
| That's a Fentanyl the Magic Dragon if I ever heard it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know if Fentanyl does any songs, though. | ||
| Anyway, this... | ||
| Like, we're talking about him like, is it different? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This does not bode well for Alex's show. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| A lot of people like to come out the gate strong. | ||
| If you're not a new podcast, if you've already got connections, and you're starting a new show, you come out strong. | ||
| Get people's attention, get some subscribers, then you gotta keep them going for a good five or six episodes before you have maybe a Matt Baker on to suck your show to garbage town. | ||
| Yeah, and this didn't even... | ||
| I'm looking at it now, this hasn't even topped 200,000 views, so maybe a tiny bit. | ||
| Of growth over the last one, but certainly not doing the kind of numbers you really need it to, I think, in order to make this worth. | ||
| Although, I'm looking at Alex's channel itself, and I don't know, maybe I overestimated his views, honestly. | ||
| Because I'm scrolling through here now, and his own show is only getting 200 or so thousand views. | ||
| It's because he's shadowbanned. | ||
| Or it could be because he's... | ||
| He's shadowbanned on his own website. | ||
| He's clearly given indications that he's abandoning ship. | ||
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Yup. | |
| Anyway, we come to the end of this, and this sucks. | ||
| Matt sucks. | ||
| Really sucks. | ||
| He disappointed me, because I thought he was just going to be a fun, weird, boring guy doing an Alex Jones impression. | ||
| It turns out he... | ||
| He's not fun. | ||
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No. | |
| He is boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even know if he's weird so much as just pathetic. | ||
| Well, I think what makes it pathetic, certainly, or at least amplifies it, is that delusion that he's something more than a guy who had a viral video and now has been on a couple of super low-hanging fruit shows. | ||
| I think that kind of, like, I'm somebody, you know, is a little bit of a bummer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, in my comedy career, every time I've taken another step... | ||
| I've celebrated, obviously. | ||
| You go from being an open-miker to doing a show. | ||
| That's a step. | ||
| But that's not like, alright, man, now I'm fucking there. | ||
| I'm the guy. | ||
| You're doing local shows, man. | ||
| I think if we're talking about it in that sort of framework, the way to navigate that kind of space is to keep your head down and work. | ||
| And I don't see that from Matt. | ||
| Working is hard. | ||
| Working is hard. | ||
| I put ten years in, man. | ||
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I see him failing. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Well, I mean, when you have a true lack of talent like he does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A real high-level lack of talent. | ||
| A real je ne sais quoi. | ||
| Actually, I do know. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| So we'll be back for another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do indeed. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are! | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
| Clark, I don't know. | ||
| I just really like this sound effect. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |