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Feb. 10, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
02:25:25
#775: Fireside Chatting

Today, Dan and Jordan explore some of the content on Alex's new website, which is definitely not owned by him and not related to Free Speech Systems at all.  In this installment, Alex announces a show recorded by candle-light, declares his intent to become the new Bob Ross, and accidentally reveals that he believes in social distancing.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
23:21
d
dan friesen
01:16:59
j
jordan holmes
35:56
m
mike adams
05:06
Appearances
Clips
j
joe rogan
00:03
s
steve quayle
00:02
Callers
andy in kansas
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
andy in kansas
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is Jordan.
I'm getting the last of these buttons out and everything, and so obviously I need a little something to watch.
I've been needing to find some entertainment.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I was poking around on YouTube, and I managed to find there's a new season of Australian Survivor.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Australian Survivor Heroes vs.
Villains.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
And, man, I gotta say, maybe I'm a traitor to the United States, but they have no business making such a better version of Survivor.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
It's night and day.
It's so much better.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's like...
It is harder to survive on the day-to-day than in the States for a lot of people, so I feel like that makes sense, that their show about survival would be of a heightened quality.
dan friesen
But, like, they...
I don't fucking get it.
Their editing's better.
Their storytelling is better.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fascinating.
dan friesen
Their casting is better.
Like, legitimately...
There are characters on there that I don't like that I still enjoy watching.
Whereas with the American version this last season, I was having a real hard time getting a hold anywhere.
Finding anybody to care about on that season.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's just good.
And here, I was thinking about it.
I'm like, what could it possibly be that's the difference?
And I think it's less like meta shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
There's less meta shit going on.
jordan holmes
What season of the Australian Survivor are they on?
dan friesen
I think it's eight.
jordan holmes
They're on, like, eight.
As opposed to 40. As opposed to 40. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like a fan of Australian Survivor has only been watching Australian Survivor as opposed to, like, their dad watched it and explained to them some of the, you know?
dan friesen
But it doesn't live outside the context of Survivor.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
People still understand.
And, like, heroes versus villains, and the last season was blood versus water.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Did water win?
jordan holmes
There's more of it.
dan friesen
Well, you know that's the season where people have to compete against or with their family members.
unidentified
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Those are things.
I noticed this.
That I love.
And that is that on Australian Survivor, they split...
Every episode has a reward challenge and a immunity challenge, like classic Survivor.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
In the American version, it's always both.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They just have one big thing, and it's almost always a big course that you have to run through.
There's something that's annoying, and then there's a puzzle.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then you get a reward and immunity.
And it's like, I don't know.
This is good.
It's just like, I don't...
I want to maximize that much of time of people just sitting around.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe that is what they want to maximize.
But for me, I want to see people do challenges.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I want to see balanced gameplay and balanced television.
That's what I want to see.
And sometimes their challenges are fucking stupid.
Throw coconuts at barrels.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
That's great.
That's a great challenge.
Here's why that's a great challenge.
Because that is a challenge that no one can stop doing until they succeed.
You would just be like, okay, I know I missed that one, but I'll do one more.
dan friesen
Yeah, one of the challenges was two team members are on each side.
So it's two on two.
jordan holmes
So it's like bags a little bit.
dan friesen
And there's a line of five barrels.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And whoever gets three knocked over.
On the other person's side wins.
It's great.
jordan holmes
Simple.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
None of this gilding the lily with all the elaborate fucking courses.
jordan holmes
I do love a borderline corporate retreat game.
It's hard to not enjoy yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This last episode that I watched, one of the challenges was hold on to a poll.
Like over the ocean, you're just hanging on to a pole.
jordan holmes
I do have a problem with the hang on to a pole stuff.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Endurance.
jordan holmes
Difficult.
I saw They Shoot Horses, don't they, when I was like 14, which is too young to see that movie.
dan friesen
Do they shoot horses?
jordan holmes
No, they shoot horses, don't they?
And it is so much like I do sometimes get Depression-era flashbacks whenever I see somebody just holding on to a pole for a million dollars.
I get it, okay?
We're doing a dance-off for 48 hours.
dan friesen
It's mind over matter.
jordan holmes
I understand, but it's...
dan friesen
It's testing your mettle.
You came out there to win this prize.
Do you have mentally what it takes to hold on to this pole?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
unidentified
I recognize that.
dan friesen
So anyway, there's a guy named Sean on this season who appears to be five feet taller than everybody else, and it's amazing.
He's a fucking giant.
jordan holmes
He's just a giant.
dan friesen
And he is comically overpowered.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
In terms of challenges, like, good luck.
I don't know how people are going to beat him.
jordan holmes
Like back when CT carried Johnny Bananas on his back.
Like that kind of overpowered.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's not drunk and seemingly a real problematic dude.
And he's not from Boston.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Although, I don't want to talk more.
I can't talk more about this.
I could go on forever.
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, so I started learning how to speedrun Final Fantasy VII.
dan friesen
You mentioned that before we started recording.
jordan holmes
It's been very exciting.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And yesterday, I performed my first, like, skip.
You know, like one of those things where you have to enter in a series of things and you do it the right way.
This one in particular.
Pixel perfect.
And you did it?
Yeah, and I did it.
I did it for the first time on stream.
Everybody was like, I assume they were clapping.
You can't hear anybody.
There was woo in the chat one time, so that was pretty exciting.
But that to me was like the first time.
It is like, I get it.
dan friesen
It's an accomplishment.
jordan holmes
No, it was like the moment I totally got it.
Like the whole speed running thing, I got it because I was like...
Oh, wow, I'm 35, and this is me at 10. The moment that happened, I was like, I won!
You know, it was that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I get it conceptually, but I have a difficult time ever imagining I could actually do it, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so precise.
A lot of that stuff's very precise, and I'm not so hot on that.
jordan holmes
You know, and I was scared of it, too.
And it did take, like, two to three hours of practice to do it one time.
dan friesen
See?
jordan holmes
And I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it again.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But doing it that one time was pretty solid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I wouldn't...
dan friesen
I wouldn't say I'm scared.
jordan holmes
Intimidated?
Apprehensive.
dan friesen
I have better uses of my time.
I'm too busy.
I'm too busy to fail to do something for two hours just to do it once and then maybe not be able to do it again.
unidentified
Fair.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
but also it is part of like a larger process that you're in the middle of so i don't mean to i don't mean to minimize or be like why would anyone do that no i find it i find it very interesting it is it is so much like learning an instrument to me yeah it's it's so fascinating how how much like it is like learning to play the piano again you know being mad that lion the simplest version of lion king isn't as easy as i wanted it to be yeah
It's incredibly niche and maybe not ever going to have the same level of respect as a symphony, but...
jordan holmes
Doubtful, but...
dan friesen
But I see what you're saying, and I wish you the best with it.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
No problem.
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
And here's the sitch.
jordan holmes
It's a deposition?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Although that would have rhymed.
jordan holmes
I was pretty excited for the rhyme.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I realized on our last episode that I mentioned and teased that Alex is doing these fireside chats.
jordan holmes
Oh!
And...
dan friesen
I realize I can't leave that thread dangling.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
We have to talk about the fireside chats.
jordan holmes
Now, in the defense of leaving it dangling, if you so desire, I still don't know what Alex's predictions for 2023 are.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We have yet to hear those.
dan friesen
Not coming either.
jordan holmes
So this is a frustrating situation.
dan friesen
Maybe we'll learn some by the fire.
jordan holmes
That would be a good time.
dan friesen
So I...
I have so many complicated feelings about this.
I started exploring Alex's new site, his AlexJones.live, and I think that this is where he's trying to hide his money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I mean, that's basically the game.
He's leaving InfoWars behind and trying to shift all of that over to this.
jordan holmes
It couldn't be more obvious.
dan friesen
Right.
And on the one level, that's interesting.
Sure.
But then on another level...
There is this weird thing where he and, like, spoiler alert, Mike Adams ends up showing up at some point.
Not by the fire.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But they have this, like, oh, you have such freedom now.
And, like, what freedom didn't you have before?
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Like, you can finally talk.
You didn't have a boss.
You could have done whatever.
But at the same time, I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex was trapped in his own self-made prison planet in the Infowars studio, and there is some sort of a weird comfort that he probably has escaping and doing like, ah, I'm in my home studio recording me just saying whatever the fuck I want.
jordan holmes
I mean, I will say this, as far as therapy has ever gone, there is a huge difference between going to the therapist's office and then whenever Zoom therapy stuff started happening, the The comfort level of being in your home talking to somebody?
Massive difference.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So I can totally get that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean like going to an office versus working at home, there is something ritualized almost like in our culture about going to the place where the thing happens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that can be confining in some ways.
But we're also talking, like when you're talking about therapy, you're talking about a...
You're there for an hour, and there's a reason you're there.
It's an interaction between you and this therapist.
If you're talking about going to work, then you're working for somebody, probably.
Alex didn't have a boss.
He'd just do whatever he wanted, and yet that was too confining for him because of these errors that he made along the way.
He didn't create...
Like his fantasy land where free speech reigned and everybody was hooray.
He created a hellscape for himself, and now he's trying to create his escape pod where he can have the money flow to.
And it's really bizarre to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he was trying to build a house, and then suddenly he found out that he had accidentally built it entirely out of metal bars, and then he's trying to escape from that.
Now I assume...
That alexjones.live is probably not owned specifically by Alex Jones.
dan friesen
We'll talk a little bit about that, but I still don't have a terms of service page up on his website, so I still don't know some of the details.
There's still no place to sign up or pay money, so there's no transactions that are being done through this website, at least as far as I can tell.
jordan holmes
It would be difficult to launder money right now.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, but he also doesn't have a responsibility to have a terms of service page, as far as I know.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know the law.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
But I'm keeping my eyes on it, because I think this is...
I am much more interested in this than his show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
His show is such a rut, and even he knows it.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
Like, he's trying to escape his present-day show just as much as I am.
jordan holmes
So...
So he's...
Wow.
This is fascinating.
This is a whole new world.
This is a...
You've piqued my interest beyond what I was expecting.
dan friesen
I'm glad.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
And now, we'll say hi to some wonks and then we'll talk about Fireside Jackson.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Michael Jackson's out-of-work emotional sport cat and world-famous techno cat, John Barron.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
That was the name of Trump's assistant that we forgot.
Trump's alleged assistant.
Next, I aided Project Black Kraken to kidnap a bachelor's squatch, and my cat still resents me.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, hey baby, my name is Gaby.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Malik Dwayne for Thieves and Associates.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
And my girlfriend took Frances Boyle's international law class, and it was as weird as you'd think.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
You don't know how weird I think it is.
jordan holmes
Boy, I would be surprised if you could out-weird me.
dan friesen
I have some really bizarre pictures in my head.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
So, um...
Look, here's the deal.
Here's how this is gonna go.
We've got two fireside chats and an episode of Alex's podcast.
His maiden voyage on his podcast that we're gonna be discussing here today.
These things are up on his website, the Alex Jones Live.
But the podcast is also up in an Alex Jones Live section on band.video.
So, there are no view counts on his Alex Jones Live website.
jordan holmes
But there are on band.video.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I can tell that this video that he has, this first episode of his podcast, the fireside chat's not up there, so I couldn't get a read on that.
This only has 150 or so thousand views.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
It's better than Harrison Smith, but it's not as good as InfoWars.
dan friesen
Oh, it's better than Harrison Smith by a country mile.
You better bet your bottom bippy.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, it's canon now.
It's in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's better than everybody else at InfoWars, but it's not better than maybe an episode of Alex's show might do.
Especially one where it's like, this is a premiere, a launch, a brand new thing.
Something that's supposed to be exciting.
It seems like...
Maybe.
jordan holmes
You know, here's the thing.
Here's the thing about that.
I hope, and it's not true.
It's not true, obviously.
But I would hope, if I were in this situation, that I would take that as like, fuck yeah.
Because, and I'll throw this out there.
dan friesen
I get where you're going.
jordan holmes
You want to build something new, and you get the chance to build it again, you know?
dan friesen
Oh, I was going to go a different direction.
jordan holmes
Oh, if you say to yourself, I built this whole InfoWars thing, right, then getting back to that spot is either a, oh no, how dare I lose all of my spot, or...
Here we go.
This is a chance to build something better.
This is newer!
dan friesen
See, that's nice.
But at the same time, when he started with InfoWars, it was a clean slate.
Whereas now, it would be starting something...
A billion and a half dollars in the hole.
jordan holmes
He is $1.5 billion in debt.
That is difficult to do.
dan friesen
And, like, with the baggage of his whole career, he's not starting fresh, no matter what.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
Now, the way I thought you were going to go with it is, I would look at that 150,000 views and be like, great.
Now, people are watching it on the site, the new site.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, that's the reason the numbers are low, is because everyone's watching it over there.
I don't know this.
Alex probably would, because he's got the back-end numbers, but I don't have a lot of faith.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised.
It's tough to get people to stay through a click-through, and let alone go through a website they're not familiar with.
They're way more likely to see it on band.video than anything else.
dan friesen
And outside of us talking about it, I don't think I've heard anybody talk about Alex Jones having a new website.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
So, we start here with the first fireplace chat.
This one takes place in Alex's home.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He has a fireplace.
Or I assume it's his house.
I don't know.
It's indoors, at least.
jordan holmes
So, he could have possibly rented a place with a good fireplace.
He could have been on vacation or something.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
dan friesen
So, this one is titled, Fire's Place in Humanity.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Is this his first one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is he establishing why he's by fire?
Because fire has an importance to humanity.
dan friesen
Ever since Prometheus.
jordan holmes
Something that none of us know at all, right?
We have no idea how important fire is.
dan friesen
I'm oblivious to it, actually.
I asked my history professor in college about it, and he just gave me this weird look.
jordan holmes
Everybody's like, what are you doing talking about fire still?
Come on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
It's passé.
jordan holmes
Who needs it?
dan friesen
So here we go.
Here's where it starts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There's something about a fire and people sitting around a fire talking about the world, talking about their families, talking about their hopes and dreams, their future.
And isn't it interesting that the European Union and places like San Francisco, the so-called greenies have banned fireplaces and space heaters.
And now they're coming after our gas power stoves.
The Biden administration proposed outright banning them.
And then when we criticized that, they said it was crazy to criticize it.
Not that it was crazy that they were doing it.
It was crazy to not want them to ban our gas power stoves.
They want to take away all of our energy.
dan friesen
I guess we got a little discussion of fire's place in humanity, but that was quick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got right to the stoves.
We skipped over several, I would say, hundreds of thousands of years.
dan friesen
Yeah, and its place in humanity.
So, as Alex was ranting about how these fire things are getting banned, he flashed up some headlines on the screen, and I decided I was going to trace these down to learn a little more about the subject that he's covering.
On the subject of the greenies in the EU and San Francisco, what a combination.
Well, they are sister countries.
So on the subject of them banning fireplaces, he has an article from a website called greenzones.eu from last April titled, quote, Old Fireplaces Soon Banned.
Greenzones.eu is a website that sells environmental stickers you can put on your car and also happens to have a blog, most likely for SEO purposes, so idiots like Alex Googling keywords like ban and fireplace will land on their page and get more traffic.
The use of this is one of the main sources that Alex is going with.
It shows a lack of seriousness on his part.
This fireside chat is not being done by a professional fireside chatter.
jordan holmes
It does not feel like that.
Every time someone explains even the tiniest bit of SEO to me, I go, No!
That's not...
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
That's not good!
dan friesen
This article is about the UBA, the environmental agency in Germany, putting out a decree that most of the really old fireplaces and stoves needed to be retrofitted with a new filter to bring them in line with emission standards.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If people could not or would not retrofit them with a filter, they would need to be decommissioned.
There were a number of exceptions, though, like for, quote, historic tiled stoves from before 1950, among other exceptions.
unidentified
Fine.
dan friesen
I'm going to give this one a grade of...
Weak source and information provided doesn't support Alex's argument.
The next article Alex provides as backing is even worse.
The title is, quote, European Commission Behind UK Restrictions on Wood-Burning Stoves, but it doesn't have a clear date apparent.
There isn't a date on it at all, but I was able to find snapshots of this page on the Wayback Machine going back to at least October 2020.
jordan holmes
There was also, like, an article being like, Abraham Lincoln just shot!
dan friesen
House used for kindling.
This is from a website titled fireplace.co.uk.
This is a fireplace industry website where you can find your local fireplace showroom or someone to sell you new pieces of fireplace-related stuff.
jordan holmes
It's Big Fireplace!
dan friesen
It is.
This is essentially a lobbying arm of the wood-burning fireplace business, so it's not at all an acceptable source to prove anything other than Alex and his team are lazy.
jordan holmes
I mean, of course they do have lobbyists, but I don't know, sometimes it's just like, you can't have a lobby.
Fireplaces can't have a lobby.
dan friesen
It's weird.
Also, because it's fun, the article includes this line that Alex would strongly disagree with, yet he's using it as a source.
Quote, Conveniently ignore!
Ignore the harmful emissions from diesel and petrol vehicles and the limited progress on pushing electric cars I'm guessing if Alex looked at this piece past the headline, he would join me in grading this source as worthless and from a heavily biased source.
2023 article in the Guardian, so it's just this month.
Right.
unidentified
After the UK passed rules allowing English councils to fine people 300 pounds for using wood-burning stoves that cause smoke to affect neighbors, these councils have, quote, issued only 17 fines over six years, despite more than 18,000 complaints.
dan friesen
But I guess it's good that Alex considers himself the tip of the spear because his research consists of skimming articles about air pollution written by fireplace salesmen.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, like, here's the thing.
I'm just, I think a lot of people forgot the worst parts of the Obama years weren't all of the, you know, war crimes and all that stuff.
The worst parts were when Republicans didn't have anything to be mad about for like a week.
And then you got brown suit anger that lasted for a week, and you're like, oh, how dare he wear?
Yeah, whatever it is.
You know, like, oh, how dare this?
I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing stoves.
They're bad for you, and if you want to keep yours, fucking fine.
I'm not doing stoves.
dan friesen
It's a tough fight to get excited about.
jordan holmes
I'm just not doing stoves, man.
dan friesen
So the next article that Alex uses is from Construction Dive, and this article was published in 2015.
The headline is, quote, San Francisco Bay Area bans wood-burning devices in all new home construction.
This is a blog geared at delivering the latest news in the world of construction, which I didn't realize was a big part of Alex's media diet, so much so that he's pulling out this eight-year-old article about San Francisco passing a regulation that prohibited wood-burning devices in new homes.
Honestly, that regulation sounds reasonable, and the article even discusses how you could get a gas fake log thing for your fireplace.
I don't understand how any of this has to do with the larger theme of trying to take away energy or fire's place in humanity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, now, when Alex starts talking about Biden and the gas stove shit, he uses one CNN article that's just reporting that a member of the Consumer Product Safety Commission suggested a regulation that was worth considering.
But then he uses another headline, quote, Biden administration announces intent to ban gas stoves.
That headline is way more severe, and if you blink, you might miss the source on that, which might have been intentional.
The name of the outlet is just in the corner of the screen, and it zooms out of view pretty quick.
This is a post from the American Energy Alliance, which is a lobbying arm of the Institute for Energy Research.
The group has deep ties to the Koch family, between hundreds of thousands and probably millions of dollars of funding, and a former Koch oil lobbyist, Tom Pyle, at one time serving as president of both the American Energy Alliance and the Institute for Energy Research.
Long and short, this is an oil industry lobbying press release, and Alex is trying to pass it off to his audience as news or research.
Not a great look.
How many of these sources he's using are just PR shit from lobbyists in the fields that stand to make less money if climate change is taken seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems shoddy.
jordan holmes
You know, in some ways, I feel like that law, you know, the council's passed where it's like, oh, you can't run that, but they've only cited 17 tickets out of 18,000 complaints.
Like, I know Citizens United made all of this kind of dark money and all that stuff legal.
But, you know, we know that laws aren't as important if you don't do some certain things anyway, you know?
So I say we pelt them all with paint balloons.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
See, are you suggesting that...
If we all throw paint balloons at lobbyists, then lobbyists will not exist.
jordan holmes
I understand that the Supreme Court has a lot of power, but so does paint in balloons.
dan friesen
I don't know if law nullification would work on this one.
The paint balloon initiative you're trying to put forth.
jordan holmes
It wasn't how they got rid of prohibition, but it might have been a good idea.
dan friesen
So all energy is going away.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
They want to take away all of our energy.
Energy is not just food you eat, but the machines that operate that actually help produce the food and produce the medicine.
And when you go after the energy, you go after the very prosperity of the population.
So I really intend to talk a lot about fire itself and energy at these fireside chats, but also so many other issues, because this is really the original television set.
And fire is what brought humans in to what we now know as the modern age and that long path.
dan friesen
I think that Alex and I might have a different definition of the modern age.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think fire even brought us into the Bronze Age.
Fire just brought us into the, like, we grow corn age.
dan friesen
We can cook meat.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Don't get me wrong, fire's been important the whole time.
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
On my stove, there's fire.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
I don't think the idea of saying that fire plays a big role in humanity is wrong.
That's not what I'm disputing, Alex.
jordan holmes
No, understood.
I feel like we're starting both way too simple, and yet if we're going to start this simple, you might as well be like, the sun is fire.
dan friesen
We're gonna get to that later.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, of course we are.
dan friesen
But, I was gonna scoff at Alex being like, the fire is the original TV, but then I flashback to how many times I've been at a bonfire.
jordan holmes
And you just sat there and stared at it, just being like, yeah man, look at you doing all kinds of weird stuff.
No, I'll take fire over there.
And you know, people dance behind it, so you got shadows.
Practically a TV.
dan friesen
But then the other thing, too, is Alex is like, all our energy is going to be taken away.
And you want to make fun of it, obviously, but we're already out of diesel.
And we have been for two months or something?
Three months?
Why is no one reporting on the fact that we've been out of diesel for months?
jordan holmes
We've been out of diesel for months now.
I do appreciate just that idea of like, oh, you know, fire.
You know, fire's like energy.
And you know energy?
We get energy from food.
And food is made from fire.
See, it all makes sense, man.
Like, we don't need your help.
dan friesen
This is fourth grade shit.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Are we going to get into the water cycle next episode?
dan friesen
Carbon cycle is going to come up.
Okay.
Sure.
Look.
Alex has some ideas.
Some of them are bad.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
All of them are bad.
But I kind of would like him to do this one.
alex jones
I'm thinking about doing some shows, too, where I run the whole thing myself, just hit record, and sit in the dark with just a few candles and candlelight and talk about the nature of the world universe.
unidentified
Are you going to set up an OnlyFans and this is in your bathtub?
alex jones
And ambiance, the background.
So really what I'm trying to say is...
These special broadcasts and special shows and special documentaries are going to be experimental.
dan friesen
It's going to be experimental.
This is going to be prog podcasting.
jordan holmes
Do you know what the most popular stream on Twitch and stuff is?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Hot tub streams.
Women wearing swimsuits in hot tubs.
Answering questions for money.
dan friesen
I'm not going to say that there isn't a market for thick-necked bears.
jordan holmes
I think he's got an idea.
dan friesen
Look, maybe, maybe not.
You've added the hot tub and bathtub aspect to this.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's the next step.
dan friesen
I think it would just be so much fun for Alex to be sitting there alone with candles and just saying a bunch of nonsense.
unidentified
What is he doing with it?
dan friesen
He's gonna be drunk as hell.
jordan holmes
Why does he think this is a good idea?
When did he have this idea and was like, nope, that one's gotta come out of my mouth?
dan friesen
He's gonna be drunk as shit, alone.
His breath is gonna be a fire risk.
That's how drunk he's gonna be.
Stay away from the candle.
jordan holmes
Every time he coughs, there's a massive explosion.
dan friesen
So anyway, I would love that.
I can't wait.
jordan holmes
Fire breathing, chat.
dan friesen
I'm so excited.
When you have someone who's an idiot who also decides that he wants to get experimental, that's...
jordan holmes
It's the best.
dan friesen
Speaking of fire, that's when you're cooking with gas.
That's, like, so good.
He's gonna have such bad ideas, and maybe he'll do them.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I know, it's exciting.
dan friesen
But he has another idea, and then this ends kind of abruptly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
A lot of it will be straight up news analysis around temple discussions, but I intend to make a lot of it something different.
Maybe I'll climb a mountain and do a podcast from the top.
Maybe I'll go speak at a school board meeting and interview all the people that are there and really get the feel of why parents are so upset.
But I want to get out in the world, out there with the people and outside the studio.
So that's what's happening at...
AlexJonesLive.com.
And don't forget, everybody that goes to AlexJonesLive.com and puts in your email will get a one-month free membership.
And all founding member coin purchasers at 1776coin.com will get a free membership and a lot of other benefits that are on the way.
So be sure to get the few final coins that are left in the Teddy Roosevelt series, the final series.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
The founding member at 1776coin.com.
dan friesen
That's pretty disappointing.
Like, the first fireside chat that Alex did is just an ad for the website that the fireside chats are on.
If it was supposed to get me interested, I'm afraid that it failed.
I have no idea what Fire's Place in Humanity is, and I can only really get so excited for Alex drunkenly rambling in a room full of candles.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Kind of excited, but only so excited.
jordan holmes
It'd be great, but...
dan friesen
Certainly not worth a paywall.
jordan holmes
I'm not gonna anticipate it.
dan friesen
No, also, this could backfire really badly on Alex, because if he's just giving away Free memberships to people.
Like, this could rack up pretty serious, like, bandwidth costs, and then if everybody cancels after that month...
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that now, he sounds so much like that stereotypical post-political career kind of talk of like, you know what?
Now that I'm done with politics, I'm going to write my memoir.
And then, you know, like three months later, there's somebody who needs to be hit with a paint balloon, you know?
Like, that's how it really goes.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Now that I'm free of being a millionaire and running my own business and saying whatever the fuck I want on air for 20 years.
jordan holmes
Now I can say whatever the fuck I want.
dan friesen
Now I'm free.
jordan holmes
What?
You are the least free person in the history of the world.
dan friesen
But maybe I'm judging the fire too quickly.
jordan holmes
Could be.
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
You don't even know how important it is to humanity.
dan friesen
No, I don't.
And we're never gonna know.
But maybe we should give this a second try.
Thankfully, Alex has a second fireside chat posted on the site.
And this one's a little bit longer.
The first one was like three minutes, and this one's about nine.
And the title is some real clickbait bullshit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
The ultimate secret to prosperity.
jordan holmes
I want your 2023 predictions before we even get to this shit.
dan friesen
Not gonna get it.
And you're not gonna get the ultimate secret to prosperity.
jordan holmes
What's the secret of 2017?
dan friesen
Uh, Megyn Kelly.
jordan holmes
Ah, shit.
dan friesen
The secret to prosperity is basically, um...
Hey, isn't the fossil fuel industry cool?
jordan holmes
Yeah, boy!
dan friesen
So in this fireside chat, Alex is no longer by his home fireplace.
He's now outside in a snowy landscape in front of a large open-air fire pit.
The snow leads me to believe that this is not in Austin, and the fact that this is clearly a gas fire pit and it's outdoors lead me to suspect that none of the regulations Alex was complaining about in the last chat even apply to this one at all.
jordan holmes
That does seem interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They are coming for them, though.
dan friesen
I guess.
They want to get rid of fire.
jordan holmes
Hey, use them while you got them.
That's what I say about your ovens.
dan friesen
So this one's a little strange.
Alex never says where he is.
He's just in the middle of snow.
And it seems to begin in the middle of a thought.
Like, this felt in media res.
alex jones
So you see, leftist followers...
jordan holmes
Well, that's how you start in the middle of thought.
alex jones
They are helping bring in total corporate discrimination, or siege.
an act of war to cut off Western Europe, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada's energy, but that every other country and every other major country What is this country's happening?
What is this country's happening?
And then the taxes off of what carbon we're allowed to use are paid into private mercantile carbon trading systems literally owned by Bill Gates, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and others.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Bill Clinton, Al Gore, they're all huge investors and even own part of the company's large pieces.
dan friesen
I'm starting to notice a trend here, and I wonder if all of these fireside chats are just going to be about saying nonsense about energy policy and spouting oil and coal lobbyist talking points.
jordan holmes
It does feel like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe there's something there.
jordan holmes
Also, did he just run through the snow to get to this fireside chat?
dan friesen
Yeah, why is he breathing so hard?
It's unsettling.
Maybe the air is thin and you shouldn't podcast on the top of a mountain.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's a good idea.
dan friesen
Oh, and not for nothing, that Nazi lawyer, Kirk Lyons, ran a legal organization geared to defending Nazis called the Patriot Defense Foundation, which changed its name in 1991 to CAUSE, which stood for Canada, Australia, the U.S., South Africa, and Europe, because those were the places that he felt white people were under attack.
Pretty neatly matches up with Alex's conception.
of where the globalists are attacking.
Just swap out South Africa for New Zealand.
And I honestly think New Zealand's only even on the list because there were some COVID mask protests there that Alex made a big deal out of recently, so it's on the top of his mind.
This may seem like a small point, but it's not.
The patriot community and that ideology that Alex was surrounded by and educated by as a child involved a conception of these countries and areas as places where the Jews were attacking the white people.
And it's not surprising that Alex preaches to his audience that a very similar area happens to be where the globalists Mm-hmm.
Seems like a little parallel there.
jordan holmes
Nazis really don't come up with new ideas.
dan friesen
A lot of it's derivative.
jordan holmes
They're very focused.
dan friesen
Leaving all that aside, what Alex is saying is nonsense word salad that means nothing.
Which carbon trading systems are those that are literally owned by the Rothschilds and Bill Gates?
jordan holmes
The ones that are.
dan friesen
I've never heard Alex say anything concrete on this front other than his exaggerations about Al Gore and that shit.
jordan holmes
I like bringing Bill Clinton back in.
Why not?
dan friesen
Couldn't hurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are these mercantile systems where the taxes on carbons we use get sent?
What are those?
Talk more about that.
jordan holmes
They're interstellar dogs.
dan friesen
I suspect that Alex has no idea how these carbon exchanges even operate and he's just making shit up.
Making it seem scary, and then throwing some of his favorite boogeyman names in in order to pop the crowd, as they say in wrestling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I imagine he talks a lot about how the oil industry is making record profits this year.
dan friesen
Not once does he mention it.
jordan holmes
He doesn't mention that?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
But it seems like if his point is that energy is under attack and all that stuff, then they should be posting losses.
They should be like, oh, and especially the government shouldn't be subsidizing them, right?
The government is not subsidizing them.
Get this.
dan friesen
They are losing money.
And...
The government doesn't subsidize them.
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
So when they say they made $40 billion in profits, and then you look in the law and they're like, we subsidized this so they don't even have to pay shit.
dan friesen
We can talk about this later, but first, come to my candle room where I will tell you about the universe.
jordan holmes
Okay, you're right.
I've forgotten exactly what we were talking about.
Take me into the candle room, sir.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has an allegory that I think is just an analogy, and I don't even know if it's that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So here's a great allegory.
We're out here in the freezing cold.
Cheap, plentiful natural gas allows this amazing fire for us to warm our hands.
Just like the sun gives almost all of the energy to the earth that we need for life to be sustainable.
So, again, if certain countries couldn't have the sun and other countries could have the sun, would that be discriminatory?
Well, if certain countries can't have natural gas and oil and coal, that's also very discriminatory.
So this is really an act of war.
And we've been convinced that, oh, it's for the earth, oh, fossil fuels are bad.
It's just not true.
The very same big multinational corporations have been suppressing a lot of new systems of energy that are...
mid 90s with geoengineering, they've now declassified.
He's running a planetary program to practice blacking out the sun for certain countries.
dan friesen
If you're listening to Alex and you believe him, you have to think the villains he talks about are the stupidest bunch of folks with the most contradictory and self-conflicting plans.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the Simpsons did it.
dan friesen
It would be really, really difficult to take any of these villains seriously if you thought about it for just a second.
jordan holmes
Ah, okay.
dan friesen
All of these plans are scary one at a time, but once you start combining them and realize that time is real, that we are all living within a reality...
jordan holmes
Right.
That we share, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't be in your own and I get to be in another one.
dan friesen
Right, and the plot to block out the sun in various countries runs concurrently with COVID.
There are other nefarious plans that are supposed to be...
It's a little silly.
jordan holmes
If you're going to tell me that somebody's going to block out the sun for various countries, you have to give me one way that they could do that.
That I can sink my teeth into.
So say you're going to put a satellite or some sort of mirror as a satellite around Earth that perfectly orbits at exactly the same speed as a certain country at a certain angle always to block out the power of the sun, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, but what he's doing is he's just taking this headline, Bill Gates wants to cover the sun to help counter global warming.
There's a headline there.
There's no indication of where this article is from, which isn't a great sign.
I'm not 100% sure on it, but I think it's from a January 2021 article from the Greenwich Times, which itself is just covering an article in Forbes about Bill Gates.
The Forbes article itself is just an op-ed that is more or less a flight of fancy about research that aims to experiment with potential ways to stop ozone loss, which is scary because Bill Gates provided some of the funding.
So the claim Alex has made is that it's been declassified that Bill Gates is running a planetary geoengineering program to practice selectively turning off the sun in various countries.
And that's the backing that he provides for it.
I did not find that persuasive.
jordan holmes
I would prefer all those types of headlines.
Just be like, rich people, pretend problem isn't there!
That is the way I think those should go.
Like, I understand, great, Bill Gates is investing in a thing that won't solve the problem.
That's very lovely for everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, yeah.
dan friesen
But I want to talk about that analogy that Alex made.
jordan holmes
No, the allegory that he made.
dan friesen
It wasn't an allegory.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it was.
dan friesen
I think he just wants to sound smart.
jordan holmes
Saying the word allegory makes you sound smart.
dan friesen
It's a dumb analogy.
Alex is saying that putting regulations on various forms of energy is the equivalent of depriving a certain country of the sun.
Obviously, this isn't comparable in any way, but it does raise an interesting question.
Why don't most houses heat themselves with coal anymore?
It was once a dominant home heating method, but according to NPR, by 2019, only 130,000 households in the United States use coal for heat.
That represents less than one-tenth of one percent of homes.
And it's because burning coal in the home sucked.
It created heat really well, but it was disgusting and toxic, and once other heating methods were discovered and popularized, shit got updated.
That's what's going on again now.
People are reassessing if the things that we accepted as normal are as safe as we think.
Alex is in a full-on tailspin about this stuff because he has strong feelings about the oil and coal industries for some reason.
It could be that he has secret backing, or it could be just as easy that the case that everyone in the right-wing media does.
They have that backing, and they're all pushing out the coal and oil lobby talking points as bedrock elements of right-wing political ideology, so Alex knows that he has to follow along.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost like if you were a massive industry that wanted to make record profits, then...
What you would do is buy a bunch of TV people to put out propaganda to make it so that people whose interests you're actively fighting against will support you as a matter of their own religion.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That would be smart.
dan friesen
Sure.
No, I mean, it's impressive.
What's not is Alex's work that he's doing here.
It's real bad.
And honestly, let's be clear.
This isn't Alex.
It's one of his employees who just Googles the keywords they need to find a headline that looks kind of like it backs up Alex's claim, and then they pat themselves on the back and say, job well done, hooray.
And why would they try harder?
No one in the audience gives a shit if the sources are blogs commenting on op-eds and press releases by big business lobbyists.
If I were the person doing this lazy work at InfoWars, I would stop and ask myself why exactly that was the case.
Like, why is it that when you're hunting for these headlines, these are the places you find them?
And then ask yourself, why does the audience not give a shit if you do your job well or not?
jordan holmes
You do not understand people.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
Because the answer to your question is that that question has never arisen.
Here's the answer to your question.
Pat on the back.
You know why they believe him?
I'm so fucking good.
All I have to do is Google something.
All I have to do is this stuff.
That's how good I am.
That's the way the human brain works.
dan friesen
And it's been admitted.
It's so obvious that...
Yep.
Lobbyist website.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
$80,000 a year for a Google machine.
dan friesen
Anyway, buddy, we need energy.
alex jones
So we need energy.
We need the sun.
We need volcanic energy.
We need hydrothermal energy.
We need hydroelectric energy.
We need fossil fuel energy.
We can take all these energies and make them extremely clean.
In fact, we've made them clean.
But now we're being told we can't have them at all.
This is, of course, total bullshit.
dan friesen
David Rockefeller wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in 1973 called From a China Traveler that Alex constantly lies about.
It is true that he says this in the article.
Quote, The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.
The social experiment he's talking about is the process of shifting from a long-standing policy of largely inward focus to one that involves the rest of the world.
And that does seem...
Fairly important.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of criticism you could lob at Rockefeller for this op-ed, and it's unclear how much he was aware about Mao's leadership qualities, his lesser leadership qualities.
But one thing that does bear mentioning is that the op-ed also included some critical thoughts.
For instance, it recognizes some negative things like, quote, Like, there is a not-just-total-positive image that Rockefeller paints in that op-ed.
Either way, it's quite important to note that the Great Reset and the Great Leap Forward are completely different things with completely different goals and ideas.
They both have the word great in them, and Alex can use them to scare the audience, but they aren't related.
The Great Leap Forward was a plan that Mao put into place to quickly industrialize China beginning in the late 50s.
The Great Reset is not even a solid plan, but a call from Klaus Schwab to consider how coming technological advances will be disruptive to the status quo.
And we should be able to rise to the challenge that they present.
I would actually argue that there is a decent position you could stake that the Great Leap Forward is antithetical.
To the ideas of the Great Reset.
In as much as it was about industrialization as quickly as possible, ramping up steel production, and the consequences of that from an ecological perspective are huge.
Whereas a great deal of the focus, especially the people like Alex point to, in terms of Great Reset-related ideas, have to do with diminishing this impact.
And this negative ecological damage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I could definitely see that.
I think, on the other hand, I would not be surprised if there was a similar point of view being expressed so far as, like, listen, we are not where we fucking need to be.
Let's take a look around.
Are we where we need to be?
No, we are fucking not.
dan friesen
Okay, yeah.
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's a certain part of that that I can see, but that's not prescriptive.
That's just saying, like, hey, we gotta fucking change this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, okay.
If you want to go that basic, I'll give you that in terms of a similarity, but that does not make them...
jordan holmes
100%.
I agree.
dan friesen
I think Alex just is freestyling here out by the fire.
jordan holmes
It does seem that way.
dan friesen
So there's a jump cut.
Here.
Alex is now no longer.
jordan holmes
So he can't say whatever it is he wants to say is what you're saying?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
It's not that glaring.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He finishes a thought, but then it goes to him no longer by the fire.
He's now standing by a tree covered in snow.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's on to another thought.
alex jones
All right.
Meteorologists are reporting winners in North America in many, many decades.
But that doesn't stop the left from saying we have global warming and so you need to turn over control of all oil, all gas, all natural resources to them because, again, carbon is a bad thing.
Think about that.
You're made up out of carbon.
The life cycle on this planet is the sun, water, carbon dioxide, and oxygen.
You've got to have those four things for life.
And they've named one of them toxic and bad.
dan friesen
No one's saying that CO2 is evil or bad, just that excessive amounts of it are.
Alex's argument is against a complete straw man, because that argument doesn't exist.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex constantly brings up the carbon cycle and says that it describes the sun, CO2, oxygen, and water being the things that are needed to have life on the planet.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This isn't exactly true.
I mean, it is true that you need those things to have life, but the carbon cycle itself is an argument against Alex's idea about energy consumption.
It is true that the carbon cycle includes those things, and as much as plants take in CO2 to do photosynthesis and the oceans absorb CO2 from the air, some of which is then released into the air by the sun's energy, evaporating water and the like, this is a generous explanation of the carbon cycle meant to accommodate Alex and his points.
But even so, the cycle relies on equilibrium.
If way more CO2 is being released into the atmosphere than the atmosphere can reintegrate into the cycle, like being absorbed by plants, that's an issue.
This is where our human involvement in the carbon cycle comes into play, which Alex just ignores.
It's because we burn all these fossil fuels, and by doing so we contribute tons more CO2 into the cycle than the cycle can handle, and thus it ends up in the atmosphere as a greenhouse gas.
Even if everything Alex is saying about his description of the carbon cycle is true, it does nothing to rebut the arguments of climate scientists.
It can be the same cycle Alex is describing, but one side of the equation is totally out of balance, and that has consequences.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing about cycles is that all cycles are based on equilibrium.
Because if a wheel suddenly loses like a big chunk of the wheel...
Like, it stops being a wheel, you know?
And that's how cycles work, too.
dan friesen
Right.
Or like balancing equations.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's no longer an equation if it's not balanced.
jordan holmes
Also, do we need air?
Like, what are we talking about?
If we're going to start being like, oh, you need the sun, water, CO2 in this.
No, you also need oxygen.
You also need fucking nitrogen.
You also need all this shit for a breathable atmosphere.
If you go back in time several hundred million years to the dinosaurs, there's so much CO2 that the plants would rise up, but human beings would be able to fucking survive because there's too much CO2.
Do you want to add that to your fucking conversation about CO2?
dan friesen
We're not doing this!
Here's my idea for the carbon cycle.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
CO2.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oxygen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Water.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
The sun.
Survivor Australia.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is the carbon cycle.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of carbon in this cycle.
dan friesen
So energy is cheaper in China, I guess.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so they're saying all U.S. power plants that put off any type of carbon dioxide...
Must be banned and shut down, even though we have the cleanest plants in the world.
China has no controls on their plants and has energy about 20% the cost of ours when it comes from coal power.
dan friesen
I have no idea where Alex is getting that stat from about China's power when it comes to coal, that it's 20% cheaper than here.
Does he mean he's comparing the price of China's coal?
to ours.
This is too convolutedly delivered to even be taken seriously as something to address, so I'm gonna leave it alone.
Yeah.
unidentified
Also, I have no idea what Alex is talking about in terms of China having no limitations on their power.
dan friesen
They have an incredibly ambitious set of goals about implementing renewable energy sources with some sources saying that they're on track to have over a third of electricity consumption come from renewables within like 10 years.
Yeah.
unidentified
It It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of like a great leap forward, huh?
dan friesen
In August 2021, the regulators at China's National Energy Administration got in trouble after the agency was audited and accused of, quote, prioritizing energy supply as well as the profits of energy enterprises over the protection of the environment.
A major part of that was that they, quote, failed to control new coal-fired power capacity.
There are a ton of problems with China and I'm not signing off on everything or even a lot of what the government does, but it's a bit ridiculous to point to their energy strategy and pretend that there are no controls on it.
In fact, I don't think it's that out of sync to say that they've taken something of a leadership role internationally in terms of their climate policy.
jordan holmes
Of course, of all the things that we can talk shit about China for, they regulate two things better than the United States by a wide margin, and that's energy and their markets.
They are far more regulatory about that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I would...
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I'm no expert on anything, but they seem to care about energy.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
So, Elon Musk, right?
He's in the energy game.
jordan holmes
Paint balloons.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
alex jones
If we don't have cheap electricity, you can't have factories and businesses and industries here in the United States.
That's why Elon Musk announced yesterday to the Texas Railroad Commission that runs oil and gas drilling that he's going to drill super deep wells all around his space launch bases that he just so happened to put his bases at, knowing he needs his own fuel in the future.
But if Obama has his way, those new permits will not be issued.
Did you hear what I just had to say?
dan friesen
Did we time travel?
jordan holmes
Is Obama in play?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Either Alex is just for no reason complaining about Obama, or it could be, like, you know, sometimes he'll say that Biden is the third term of Obama.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He'll say that, but, like, it did seem to, even understanding that part of Alex's ideas, it still came out of left field.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was very confused.
Yeah, that's weird.
Hey, man.
People like to complain about Obama.
It gets Alex's base really angry.
They get worked up about it in a way that they just really can't quite get the same kind of anger for Biden.
I wonder why that is.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any particular difference between the two of them that would incend right-wing people more than a...
Yeah, never mind.
dan friesen
Regardless, Elon Musk is digging for oil.
Or more accurately, he announced that two years ago and Alex is just pretending it happened the other day.
Maybe Alex just heard about it.
Tomorrow's news, baby.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
Alex should really be mad about this, because probably to offset some of the press he was getting about it, Musk announced on Twitter that he was offering $100 million for whoever came up with the best carbon capture technology.
According to Alex, we need to release carbon into the atmosphere to save the planet, and God put the carbon there for us to find so we could save ourselves at this precise moment in time.
Here's Elon Musk offering $100 million for someone to find ways to stop us from...
Yeah, I'm a big fan of how nobody wants to do the thing that would help and be like, hey, oil industries, you're regulated now.
jordan holmes
Like, nobody wants to do that.
Everybody's like, I'll give you $100 million for a sign that says we're free!
Like, okay, I mean, what are we doing?
Stop this.
Stop billionaires from having thoughts.
Make their thoughts go away.
Do we have machines that take their brains?
dan friesen
$100 million for a paint balloon that gets rid of thoughts.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly!
I will give you $100 million for said pink.
dan friesen
It's too bad Tesla isn't around anymore.
He could totally figure that out.
Anyway, Obama in his third term, I mean Biden, shut down the Keystone Pipeline, man.
alex jones
In World War II, when British and U.S. bombers began to retake Europe, the first thing they did was bomb oil refineries, pipelines, and power...
Well, day one, Joe Biden, hours after being sworn in, after being installed as the presidential dictator by the communist Chinese, shut down the Keystone pipeline that's already completed from Canada down to Port Arthur, Texas, that was set to bring in, that was about to be opened, 30 million barrels of oil a day out of Canada, cementing the U.S. as the number one energy exporter in the world.
But instead, that being shut down now...
Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, along with Soros, own and control the railway that goes out to the west coast of Canada where the giant Chinese tankers will now load the oil and take it to China.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
This is profoundly stupid and honestly should be seen as an indication that Alex doesn't know very basic facts or is intentionally misleading the audience in order to get them to blindly support the fossil fuel industry.
As for the Keystone pipeline, there are a couple important things to bring up here.
The first is that Biden revoked the permit for an expansion of the Keystone pipeline.
There's an existing system in place that transports tar sand oil to refineries.
The leg of the expansion that Alex is talking about, the one that ends in Port Arthur, Texas, was actually completed and is in operation.
It's just called the Gulf Coast Pipeline, so Alex doesn't...
Right, right, right.
It's related or it exists.
mike adams
Sure.
dan friesen
What was at issue, and the aspect of the pipeline that most people are aware of is the Northern Lake, which would have cut through Nebraska, South Dakota, and Montana.
It's a completely different section of it that did not get completed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, I mean, just, it's staggering that Alex, he brings up Port Arthur, Texas, and he doesn't even know that that is done, and there's oil in them.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that doesn't make you angry.
dan friesen
True.
Second, Alex's number is incredibly exaggerated.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
dan friesen
The entire country of Canada produces less than 6 million barrels of oil a day, so the notion that this pipeline would be transporting 30 million a day is absurd.
Third, the response to the expansion being cancelled has not been to transport by rail this shit to China.
That's so dumb.
We're talking about tar sand oil from Alberta here, which is...
Very difficult to transport, except it's slightly easier through pipes.
It would not be economically viable to transport the tar sand by rail and then send by boat to China who would then still have to refine it to make it usable as an energy source.
It's in nobody's financial interest to do that.
Alex knows nothing about the Keystone Pipeline.
He's just repeating oil lobby talking points, either because he's told to or because he sees all his friends doing it.
And he's virtue signaling that he's one of them.
He's one of those people who will do anything in life.
jordan holmes
No, no.
You're way off here, okay?
This is all a plan by the hobo lobby.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
Okay?
Because the rails aren't being used as much anymore.
Passenger trains, they're closed all the way from the outside.
Those oil trains, that's where you get your bindle, and you get yourself a good time.
dan friesen
And from what I understand, the hobo lobby is strongly against bullet trains.
jordan holmes
Strongly against bullet trains.
They have been coming out against bullet trains for a long time.
dan friesen
You can't jump on those.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
dan friesen
I had a couple friends who jumped trains for a while back in Missouri.
unidentified
Yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Not close friends, but they were constantly on trains.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you couldn't get close to them.
They were too far away.
dan friesen
Yeah, they were pretty fun, though.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I always wanted to go along one time, but then I realized, like, there's no way I'd follow through with it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Except, in my head, I was imagining the train going faster than it probably was.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It probably was going incredibly slow when you jump on it.
jordan holmes
I had the idea when I was probably, like, 17. I had the idea I was going to walk to Champaign, Illinois.
I had this while I was 100% normal, for sure.
So I walked for like five hours.
And then I realized that the final walk was going to be another couple of days.
And I was like, I don't think I'm going to make this.
That's the way I would feel if I got on the train.
But the problem with that is then I wouldn't be able to be like, well, fellas, I'm off.
I'm still on this train.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, well.
So, China, they're out of pocket.
Sure.
This is just weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
China's refusing to sign on to the Paris Accords.
So are other countries.
And so it's going to be impossible to develop any more here.
Wait, is that good or bad?
And that's why they call it the Chinese Communist Century.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
That's why Xi Jinping is celebrating helping get Joe Biden in through fraud because this is real military conquest.
Now, right over here, there's a local hotel where we're hanging out here in America's beautiful mountains.
It's a perfect allegory of what energy does.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
alex jones
What plentiful, cheap fossil fuel energy does versus not having it.
So this is really a stranglehold on our energy supplies and incredibly destructive and incredibly dangerous.
And it'll cause a lot of people to lose their jobs, become very, very poor in the United States.
But that's part of the Great Reset that Klaus Schwab and others want.
dan friesen
I guess the allegory is that it's warm inside and it's cold outside.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like the closest I could get to an allegory out of this is the allegory is the story of Alex with a fire and Alex without a fire, thereby showing us a very similar...
But even then, that would be synecdoche.
That wouldn't be an allegory.
dan friesen
I am at a loss for any hidden meaning.
So also this is nonsense.
China was an original state party of the Paris Agreement and has been signed on to it since 2016.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
dan friesen
We are the ones who withdrew from it for a few months at the end of Trump's term in office and then rejoined when Biden got in.
I remember that.
jordan holmes
Good times.
dan friesen
Alex is just talking shit.
jordan holmes
You know, it's great to virtue signal as a country and destroy the world.
dan friesen
So Alex talks some shit to end this thing.
This is...
I don't even know what to say.
alex jones
So again, we have got to move against traitors in Congress with the political truth.
And we have to support those in Congress that are actually exposing this before our main energy systems are shut down.
This is going to become very, very apparent in the next few months as the economy implodes because the word is out America is closed for business.
We have to stop this treachery.
jordan holmes
The word is out?
Who got the word?
dan friesen
The word is out.
jordan holmes
Who got the word out?
dan friesen
The newsies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now that the word is out, I don't know if there's anything anyone can do to stop it.
dan friesen
So I was reflecting on the fireside chat.
jordan holmes
That's what they're for.
dan friesen
I mean, this is supposed to be about the secret to prosperity.
jordan holmes
I forgot!
dan friesen
If I had to sum it up, I would say that the secret for prosperity is using bullshit sources and lies to prop up fossil fuel industry talking points.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems to be the long and short of this video, and if the title is to be believed, that's the only conclusion I can come to from the material presented.
jordan holmes
I love the idea...
dan friesen
Two fireside chats, both very heavily involving tons of fossil fuel bullshit, and sources directly from fireplace and oil lobby.
jordan holmes
You know, if I were an oil lobby...
And it just came out that we had secured record profits on the...
What essentially is the future deaths of millions of people.
We get money for it.
You would want somebody to tell people that actually you're the victim here.
Otherwise, they might get mad.
dan friesen
True.
But also, if you make that much money, you know, treat yourself.
Yeah, buy yourself an Alex.
Yeah, maybe it's a bad investment, but, you know, it's a cheap day.
jordan holmes
You gotta write off.
dan friesen
It's unhealthy, but, you know, it's like cake.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit like eating a double down.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I would say that in the same way Alex is saying word is out that the nation is closed for business, some of this seems to be signaling that he's open for business.
That's kind of a feeling that you might walk away from these fireside chats with.
It's a little excessive.
jordan holmes
Was one of the video titled, Services for Sale?
Please?
dan friesen
So we get to the podcast now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And...
I mean, it's just him sitting at a desk.
Honestly, here's the deal.
It's not that much different than his show, except there's no energy.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't have ideas.
I mean, obviously, except for being in the dark with candles.
dan friesen
And there's another one that comes up on this episode that is so much better, and if he does it, I'll watch every single thing that he does of it.
We'll get to that in a second.
But, like, what is he gonna do?
I mean, he has one mode, and it's...
Just him.
He just lies about headlines.
jordan holmes
Is it him by himself?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, Mike Adams shows up eventually.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then Santilli lays...
jordan holmes
Is it the length of his show?
dan friesen
It's two hours.
jordan holmes
So he's doing a shorter version of his show.
dan friesen
Pete Santilli shows up at the end, too, but we're not going to listen to any of that because I don't give a shit about that guy.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
And it's mostly just him being like, Alex, you woke me up.
You're going back to your roots.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
You're going back to your roots.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Alright, here we go.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, he's just sitting in his home studio doing his show, but without the appearance of success.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, there is such a veneer to the Infowars studio, the giant screen in the background, the...
100 cameras or whatever the fuck.
All the angles.
There's money there.
And granted, the studio looks fine.
It doesn't look cheap or anything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it does kind of...
In the age we are now with people on YouTube with really nice home studios, it's not impressive in any way.
And it doesn't have the same feeling.
It just...
And to go from a home studio like that to the InfoWars studio...
Makes sense.
But to go the other direction does kind of feel like you're not...
You wouldn't do that by choice, and I think we all know that.
jordan holmes
Ah, yeah.
I think what's going on is if nobody that works for you has any professional ability...
Then your set should have a lot of professional ability behind it, you know?
That'll give you a veneer of professional ability.
dan friesen
He's got a couple people working.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has a home studio that has a control room, apparently, that a couple people have to man.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Do they sleep there?
I hope so.
Do they shop at the Alex Jones store?
Is it a company town?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's basically like Jim Baker's.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's his little compound.
It's about time.
dan friesen
Alex, go to the Ozarks.
Anyway, here's how it starts with a little ad of people saying how right Alex is about stuff.
unidentified
*music*
jordan holmes
I'm glad for the first episode they didn't go with over raw.
alex jones
Fight for Liberty starts now at AlexJonesLive.com.
unidentified
*thud* you
The most banned man in America, Alex Jones.
I want you all to know something.
Alex Jones was right.
joe rogan
Alex is right about far more than he's wrong.
unidentified
Alex has been right on for over a decade.
I don't care how you slice it, dice it, flip it up, or rub it down.
Alex Jones was right.
dan friesen
Probably not a great sign for InfoWars that Alex has already recorded new bumpers for this new website.
Alex isn't good at that kind of admin work, and unless it's him doing his racist Chinese dragon character, it's tough to get him to record things around the office.
Like, he's constantly complaining about how he's forgotten to do the new ads.
Yeah.
unidentified
So it seems notable that this is all ready to get locked and loaded.
jordan holmes
I'm surprised he's not trying to record his podcast simultaneously as he's doing his show the way he's like, okay, I'm going to cut this promo right now.
Yeah.
He is lazy.
dan friesen
I love this intro of people saying that Alex is right.
Let's look who these people are.
This is a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Cavalcade-a-morons!
dan friesen
So first is Charlie Kirk, someone who Alex has attacked a ton in the past as one of the people who's in the Ben Shapiro-type soft conservative community.
jordan holmes
Bygones be bygones!
dan friesen
The reason that Nick Fuentes came into Alex's life at all in the first place was largely because Nick and the Groypers were having a war with Kirk and Turning Point, so it's kind of funny to see him in this video.
Then there's MTG, who the far-right, who are Alex's fanbase, have turned against because she sided with Kevin McCarthy in the speakership fight.
She's now largely seen as a sellout by the extreme right wing, who much prefer Lauren Boebert's style of trolling.
Marjorie's white balloon shit with the State of the Union the other day was unspeakable levels of embarrassing.
Then there's Rogan, who won't have Alex back on his show, and also is a complete idiot who's been caught relaying multiple fake stories in the past few months with at least one instance Yeah.
Is what I'm saying.
Then there's Mike Flynn.
Mike Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent while serving as Trump campaign's national security advisor, and he pled guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts he had with members of the Russian government, but then withdrew his plea and then got pardoned by Trump.
He's either willfully or negligently promoted a ton of QAnon conspiracies and now is championing a Christian fascist movement.
Oh, I'm sorry.
A Christian nationalist movement.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Get it right, okay?
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
It's not like any veteran has ever led some sort of fascist group before in order to, like, facilitate some sort of coup.
dan friesen
It's like the opposite of Smedley Butler.
jordan holmes
It is the opposite of Smedley Butler.
It's very much like, hey!
Fuck yeah!
If they came to Smedley Butler.
dan friesen
And then you have Diamond and Silk.
And Diamond just died last month, and the cause of the death was reported as chronic high blood pressure.
There was a rumor that she was hospitalized with COVID last November, but that's unverified and may not be the case.
But either way, if she was a liberal or a mainstream commentator who had been vaccinated, you better believe that the right wing would declare her death to be vaccine-related.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And actually, Silk did kind of do that, implying that Diamond died because other people were vaccinated.
jordan holmes
Other people got vaccinated!
And their vaccine was...
She got a contact high.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Also, I don't want to be a dick and play this here, but if you want to see a really bizarre scene, go check out Diamond's memorial service.
Silk explains that Trump was kind of like a father figure to them, and whenever they were around, he treated them just like family, like Don Jr.
We're like family.
And then Trump gets up and says that he was fond of Diamond, but he had never met Silk.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
He even says, quote, I thought I knew them both, but I didn't.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
It's completely insane.
She's sitting right there.
It's the memorial service.
Anyway, big old crop of losers saying that Alex has been right about stuff, which is a great way to start this off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I enjoyed that a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is wild.
There's so much...
There's so much about them that you go...
No, that can't be real.
That can't be real.
And if it was real, there's no way people would stick around after they saw that.
Like, there's no way that people would look at, say, some asshole in front of, not say the Four Seasons Hotel, but in front of, like, I don't know, some sort of Four Seasons, I don't know, like, landscaping company.
You know, something like that.
You'd see that and you'd go, well, there's no way he would survive that kind of embarrassment.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Them Duke boys.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So the show begins, and boy, if you had on your bingo card, Alex immediately makes clear that this isn't involved in free speech systems.
Good.
Check that one off the box.
jordan holmes
Good, good, good, good.
dan friesen
Within 30 seconds.
jordan holmes
How fast?
alex jones
Well, and here we are, a new voyage, a new ship in the fight against tyranny launch and the information war.
AlexJonesLive.com.
Totally separate from InfoWars.
Other backers.
Other infrastructure.
Totally different studios.
jordan holmes
It's in somebody else's name.
alex jones
Studios is the operative word.
So it's Thursday, February 2nd.
jordan holmes
All of the money will be theirs.
alex jones
And this is my home studio.
dan friesen
Pretty, pretty.
Cool to make sure that that is on the record immediately, that this is legally distinct.
jordan holmes
Just so everybody knows that whatever revenue this may or may not generate in the future is not part of the $1.5 billion that I owe.
dan friesen
This is owned by my uncle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And he is actually part owner of a trust.
Yeah, I mean, whatever.
It's transparent in what's going on here.
jordan holmes
The problem is he's too good at hiding money.
That's always been the issue.
You know, you put it in the AEJ Trust.
Who could figure out a puzzle of the Riddler's level?
dan friesen
Yeah, that is true.
That is true.
Yeah, I mean, his middle initial is E, and it's not for Enigma.
It is not.
So, I told you there was going to be a great idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because this is the best idea ever.
You thought candlelight, Alex talking about the universe.
jordan holmes
I didn't know if you could top that.
dan friesen
You can, and it's this.
alex jones
You're going to see a lot of different things here.
In fact, it's my idea.
I am going to paint once a week on air, and I'm going to let callers call in.
We'll also take emails and request what you want to see me paint.
And then I'm going to sit here, kind of like Bob Ross, and I'm going to just paint, boom, in like 10 minutes, oil on canvas or acrylic on canvas, a painting.
I'm also, every episode, whether it's a podcast or whether it's a live stream, news analysis, or rant, going to draw a quick doodle.
Because the crew's noticed over the years, during the breaks, a lot of times I'm thinking I'll draw some interesting doodles.
I'm going to be doing that.
As well here.
dan friesen
I mean, obviously the idea is to sell them, right?
I mean, it's obviously to sell the paintings and doodles.
But he doesn't say that.
He just says, hey, big news, I'm gonna doodle.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, of all the things that I could have guessed, Alex's painting was just not one of them.
It just wasn't.
dan friesen
I will straight up say I will watch every single one of those.
And, you know, we try and encourage people not to call in and fuck with Alex.
That is off for the painting show.
jordan holmes
Call in for any idea.
100%.
You can make him paint anything.
We'll take it.
dan friesen
And if you want to make him mad while he's painting, by all means, troll him or fuck with him.
If you want to, I'm not encouraging it, but my whole thing about don't engage, all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Completely separate from free speech systems.
dan friesen
That is true.
But I'm putting a temporary moratorium on I think people should mess with him while he does a painting show.
Because the image of how great that show could be if he's just getting mad while painting things is art.
It's beautiful.
jordan holmes
It's Patton Oswalt's bit about the anti-Bob Ross who's telling the, Ah, my wife left me!
Ah, I hate my kids and my family!
dan friesen
And life could imitate art.
And I would love to see it.
I think it would be...
I will shift our entire focus to just talking about Alex's...
I will buy every single one of the paintings.
jordan holmes
He's going to join the ranks of history's great painters.
You know, like W. Hitler.
dan friesen
So Alex apparently has two studios or maybe three.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
Thanks to the grace of God and how popular freedom is, I want listeners to know, I'm going to continue InfoWars.
I'm going to continue Free Speech Systems.
I'm going to continue doing my daily show for three to four hours a day.
Owen Schroyer's going to stay on the air and do a great job.
So is Harrison Smith.
But just in case anybody thought I was going away, two studios in Austin are already set up separate from this one with outside groups, the whole nine yards, advertising, everything lined up.
I've just got to go in and do the shows.
And so if the enemy thinks taking me away from Free Speech Systems, Yeah, I don't think anybody thought that.
dan friesen
Also, I suspect these shows with advertisers lined up are just him creating a new business that doesn't appear to be linked to himself, which will run ads for the same businesses that InfoWars did.
Feel like that's what's going on?
jordan holmes
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of massive ad buy from one free speech systems.
dan friesen
Or PQPR.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
We need to buy $600 million worth of ad space for this live show.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
This new business that is totally unrelated to you is really doing well with your dad's supplement business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so weird.
dan friesen
It's also weird to hear him say free speech systems on air.
That isn't very common.
It's almost like he's trying to be overly clear that this project isn't financially tied to that company that's bankrupt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good work, Barnes.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a little obvious.
So Alex, not only does he have all these studios.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So many studios.
You want a studio?
unidentified
He's got one for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Not redundancy.
Redundant.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
But he also has so many offers.
Everybody wants it.
jordan holmes
I do not believe that.
alex jones
I've got five offers, but four of them are to leave Austin and move to different parts of the country to be basically one of the big anchors or main pulls for the populist nationalist system that's exploding thanks to all of your work and my work and the crew's work.
And if I have to, I'll go do that.
But the best deals we've been offered, where I can actually have a good-sized crew and reporters and do a lot of things, still want me to be in those cities and My parents are in Austin.
My crew is in Austin.
I'm loyal to them, and I have no intention of doing that.
dan friesen
I also hate this city.
It's a pile of shit and demons.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't believe this for a second, but let's pretend and imagine that Alex isn't making this up.
I want to spitball around some ideas of what these offers could be.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Here are the major figures in this media space that could possibly offer Alex anywhere close to the amount of money he would be demanding.
jordan holmes
And require him to move.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
I'm just gonna go all across the board for now.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
The Blaze, which you probably wouldn't have to move for, because I think that one is just, like, that's in Texas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Daily Wire, OAN, and Frank Speech.
There just aren't other conservative networks that could be in his ballpark, except for maybe if you force it to get to five, you could say, like, right-side broadcasting, but I don't think they have the money.
The thing about four of them requiring them to move sounds like bullshit, and I don't even feel like entertaining it because it's more confusing than interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex and Glenn Beck could never coexist in the same business, so the Blaze is just not possible.
Also, they would have an advertiser exodus if they brought on Alex, so it's very unlikely.
Same problem with the Daily Wire.
They just had this big public falling out with Steven Crowder, and Alex is a hundred times more toxic than Crowder ever could be.
Signing on Alex, who actively hates multiple members of the Daily Wire team, is way more than it's worth, so I don't believe it's going to happen.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't recommend it.
dan friesen
OAN and Frank's speech definitely seem possible.
Alex could become the main anchor at OAN until he has some kind of a disagreement with management and decides that they're the deep state embedded deep within OAN, and then he gets himself fired.
jordan holmes
Max a month.
dan friesen
Frank's speech is a good fit, since Mike Lindell seems to have endless money and no standards, so that's a possibility.
Wouldn't need to move, though.
Everything is remote.
Then the other possibility is Rebel Media.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But they're not really...
I don't know if they could afford him.
I don't know what kind of money would be there.
jordan holmes
If Bolsonaro had won, I think Alex could have a gig in Brazil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he's not going to be able to keep his money if he stays here.
dan friesen
Well, actually, you bring up a really interesting point, too.
In terms of being an expat, if Alex were to leave the U.S., he could make a better argument for Brazil than Canada.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Going to Canada, I think, would be tough for a patriot like Alex, whereas he could say that Bolsonaro is leading this anti-globalist resistance, and he's going down to get himself a piece of it, be on the front lines and what have you.
He could do that.
Yeah, whereas going to Canada just doesn't seem...
jordan holmes
Man, five years from now, we see him cold and sad on RT.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Reporting from Siberia, they don't like me as much here as I thought they would.
dan friesen
I honestly don't even think that's an option.
No, of course not.
Quite frankly, because for one, they used to have more of a relationship.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't go on RT these days.
jordan holmes
I was being facetious.
dan friesen
I understand that, but you're bringing up another possible network, and so I'm just sort of walking through it.
jordan holmes
I mean, would there be something possibly in the UK, in the Europe?
In the Europe.
Yeah.
Like what?
I don't know.
I don't know conservative right-wing outlets in Europe.
dan friesen
He's going to team up with Andrew Neal.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Do it!
The UK needs you.
Piers Morgan and Alex Jones every night.
dan friesen
Also, a lot of backlash, and I never addressed this.
People are pretty pissed off that I didn't point out that Piers Morgan's show is not the top-rated show in the UK.
I understand that.
I thought that was understood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I thought I screamed or something along those lines.
dan friesen
So yeah, people were a little bit like, I cannot believe.
jordan holmes
It happens, it happens.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex needs money.
alex jones
But we do need financing to pay for this, and so for the first few weeks, everything's going to be free at AlexJonesLive.com.
And still, a lot of the content will be free as well, as well as boil downs of what happens.
But for folks that want the complete behind the scenes, and people that want...
The special events and people that want the PowerPoints and people that want the deep analysis, that will be a monthly or yearly subscription so we can finance expanding all of this.
And this is all separate.
This is Alex Jones operation, me separately doing this.
dan friesen
This is separate.
This is not related to InfoWars.
This is not related to...
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
He might be saying that too much.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, he might as well be like, in case Mark or any bankruptcy lawyers aren't listening, this is unrelated to my other work.
Please do not file a motion asking for this to be considered.
dan friesen
For very specific legal reasons, this is separate from InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Perhaps the most specific reasons in the history of making this separate from InfoWars.
dan friesen
Now, I think that there's an interesting question to be asked, and that is that...
In terms of the case, the judge in Texas was very clear that Infowars and Alex, Free Speech Systems and Alex, are one and the same as an entity.
That works one direction, but does it work the other?
Is Alex Free Speech Systems, even when he's acting outside of the auspices of...
If he starts a new business, is that business still really just Free Speech Systems?
jordan holmes
If corporations have Free Speech, then Free Speech has Alex Jones.
I think that's the way...
Free Speech Systems has Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Damn, that's heavy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, we're getting the new Alex Jones show, apparently.
unidentified
Sure!
dan friesen
And at the end of this clip...
I think Alex dedicates the studio to us.
alex jones
I could have done it without your support, but to have the studio in my house, control room, whole nine yards, satellite uplinks, radio uplinks, they're not activated.
I press one button, and I can do the new Alex Jones show, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Central.
jordan holmes
That sounds similar.
alex jones
Right here, out of this studio, where I got guests.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of a previous show.
alex jones
I just walked downstairs to a four-person podcast, classic podcast table like Joe Rogan and others have.
Remember when Joe came to my studios about 15 years ago to see how I was doing podcasting?
He thought, where do I get this?
Where do I do that?
And I'm not bragging.
It's just that we're kind of going back to our roots.
I'm not imitating Joe.
I'm coming back to what Joe was imitating.
jordan holmes
I had to establish dominance there in case anyone was confused.
alex jones
I just walked down to my interview there with people, walked right back up to the studio, and that's just one new head of the Hydra that's ready to go.
Two more are ready to go as well.
And we've got offers for five other Hydra heads right now.
I just wanted our enemies to know that.
And they can...
I almost want to dedicate this studio to my stalkers and my haters because you gave us the energy to do all this, okay?
You're the reason this happened.
But I'm not doing it for you.
I'm doing it not out of spite, but out of love for my children.
And my family, and your children, and your families, because my children are going to grow up in a world with your children.
dan friesen
My children don't want it.
Don't do it for them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They don't exist, but also don't do it on behalf of my children.
jordan holmes
Also, play more music.
How about that?
Yeah, play more music.
Why is it what you finally have the opportunity to say whatever you want?
Do you know what you want to say?
The lyrics to You Belong to the City.
dan friesen
Dude, we could...
We could be good program directors for the new Alex Jones show.
jordan holmes
If he's going to dedicate it to us, then I feel like it's necessary for him to honor us as well.
dan friesen
Candle show, iffy, give it a shot.
jordan holmes
Paint show guarantee.
dan friesen
Slam dunk.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And more music.
Do a Rick D's style countdown.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Wolfman Alex.
I think it would be good.
jordan holmes
I don't think that would be a bad idea at all.
dan friesen
So, look.
I know you said that that show sounds very similar to another show.
unidentified
It does.
dan friesen
Maybe we've done 700 episodes.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of a very similar show.
dan friesen
But look, this is not connected at all.
Not at all?
No, it is not.
alex jones
So I'm extremely honored to be here with you.
And I'm extremely honored to be launching this voyage with you.
And so in the future, you're not going to hear big pontifications for 15 minutes.
dan friesen
You will.
alex jones
About why I'm doing it and who I am and what we're doing.
But this is really a big deal because...
You get set with your studios, set with your crew, set with your operation, who I'm totally loyal to and are awesome.
But to go out with new people and new organizations and new crew and new operations and to set up something completely organic and to strike out something, strike out with something that's so new is exciting.
And so I can tell you, this is just the beginning, ladies and gentlemen.
This is just the beginning that you're seeing right now.
And it all starts at Alex Jones Live.
Infowars.com.
I want to be, again, 100% crystal clear.
Infowars isn't going anywhere.
This is going to make Infowars.com and Bandot Video and everything they do over there and everything I'm involved with over there that much stronger.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
That's my family.
jordan holmes
This is sad.
alex jones
That's the most effective organization in the world.
That is the incredible thing.
But organizations like Free Speech Systems and what we've done have to give birth to new entities.
And new organizations and new systems.
And so that is what we are doing.
jordan holmes
But not free speech systems, which you got.
alex jones
And it's very exciting.
I'm going to leave it at that.
dan friesen
Probably should.
jordan holmes
I'm going to leave it at that.
dan friesen
He called Infowars they.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Never met those guys before.
Hey, they're good people.
I've heard a lot about them.
But I'm telling you, that place, I don't think I've even been there for the past 20 years.
Honestly, I checked out.
dan friesen
Is bizarre.
jordan holmes
Oh no, that's not bizarre.
That is the most transparent thing I have ever seen in my entire life.
dan friesen
Everyone at Infowars better be updating their fucking resume.
jordan holmes
You better be ready to be gone.
dan friesen
You better be updating it with lives.
jordan holmes
You are gone.
unidentified
I'm very loyal to my crew is five, four, three.
dan friesen
When Alex says like three times I'm very loyal to my crew and is really stressing that this project that he's working on is not connected.
jordan holmes
Not related.
Infowars.
dan friesen
And calls Infowars the they.
jordan holmes
Those people.
Great people.
I'm gonna stick by them.
I'm very loyal to them.
The people who will stay.
dan friesen
Remember when he said he would die for Trump?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
A couple years ago?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Get your resume together.
jordan holmes
I would definitely be...
dan friesen
Y 'all are getting fired.
jordan holmes
I think...
You know what?
Here's what it could be.
All right?
Daria is trying to get a job as an oil lobbyist.
Hey, keep feeding Alex these lines and then you can go to the oil lobby and they'll be like, holy shit, you're a psychopath?
Get on over here!
dan friesen
Could be.
Daria, update your resume.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, again, lie.
Don't put your real job history.
Any of you people at InfoWars, it's not a good idea.
jordan holmes
Owen, you have been a sports anchor for this past ten years, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Fake a coma or something that you're just coming out of.
jordan holmes
Ooh, a coma would be a great idea.
Change your name?
dan friesen
Can you explain this gap in your resume?
Yes, I was in a coma.
jordan holmes
They almost pulled the plug.
Give some good details to it, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Did you ever see that movie While You Were Sleeping?
jordan holmes
So, a nurse fell in love with me.
dan friesen
Something much bigger than Free Speech Systems is right on the horizon.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
If you think what you've seen in Free Speech Systems is impressive.
dan friesen
I don't.
alex jones
The studios, the crew, all the equipment, all the guests.
dan friesen
It's impressive equipment.
alex jones
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'll give them that.
alex jones
Something that dwarfs that is almost complete, and I don't run it?
I don't control it.
jordan holmes
Not related to it at all.
alex jones
And it's free and clear.
jordan holmes
Don't need to say this again.
alex jones
And it's got a lineup of incredible talk show hosts.
jordan holmes
No baggage.
alex jones
Individuals and people ready to go.
jordan holmes
Not entering with $1.5 billion.
alex jones
And that's just one of the opportunities.
So here's the big news.
This is a thousand times bigger than Infowars.
Literally.
That's a conservative number.
Hell, a billion times I think about it.
There's 8 billion people.
dan friesen
That math doesn't check out.
If I had to guess, here's what I think I'm hearing.
Alex is saying that there's a bunch of free agent propagandists and right-wing shitheads out there that are teaming up to be like the Sinister Six.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm not going to cast the entire Sinister Six, but David Knight gets to be the Sandman because he puts me the fuck to sleep.
unidentified
Nice.
dan friesen
Yep.
I was going to say that Alex is Kraven the Hunter because he's racially problematic, but then I don't remember if Kraven the Hunter is actually racist.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's Kraven.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's on the nose, at least.
dan friesen
Here are all the dangling threads that I can see out there in the ether.
You have Ezra Levant in Rebel News, which has seen better days.
Most of their former talent is gone and wants nothing to do with them, and it was heavily implied a while back that Ezra wanted to hire Alex.
Alex couldn't make his brand work if he was employed by a Canadian dude, and I think a lot of Alex's audience would be concerned about his boss's name being Ezra.
This seems like an option he could take over, like he could be the face of...
rebel news sure but i don't know how much other talent is there to fill things in and i don't think they have the kind of money alex would want no then there's gavin mcginnis and his failed censored.tv there's a ton of shows uh under that umbrella and on that website but almost all of them All of them are shit.
There's the classic man-up with Jacob Wall, which seems to have gone on hiatus right around the time he pled guilty to felony telecommunications fraud for his voter suppression robocall scheme.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's usually tough to keep recording after.
dan friesen
Yeah.
All-around uncharming bigot Katie Hopkins has a show, but the latest episode of that is from last May.
That child named Soph, who was really popular for a minute because they swore and said racist shit, has a show.
But that 15 minutes...
I don't know.
12 years old.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That was the whole point.
jordan holmes
You can't be a child prodigy forever.
You can only be a child prodigy while you're a child.
dan friesen
Look how impressive that this person is so racist at such a young age.
No longer impressive if you're older.
jordan holmes
You're an adult!
That's when you should be racist, you racist piece of shit!
dan friesen
Gavin does a show with noted racist Anthony Cumia, but who cares?
And also, Cumia has his own network, Compound Media, so this is really more of a collab than a Gavin venture.
Alex also probably wouldn't get along with the host of...
Atheism is unstoppable.
Gavin is still a name though, and he has a history with rebel media, so maybe that could come together.
There are also other free agents like Drew Hernandez, who I've labeled the baby reporter'cause he sounds like a fucking baby.
And now I guess Milo isn't working on the yay campaign anymore, so that could be an option.
jordan holmes
Surprise, that fell through.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like That was a cushy gig.
Yeah.
And after Ye was like, I'm loyal to my crew.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
I know.
It was like, I'm just going to pledge my undying loyalty to them.
Those people over there, I swear I'm devoted to them.
I'll never let them go.
dan friesen
But still, look, even with these names that are possibilities, there just aren't enough pieces to make this worthwhile.
Even if they manage to team up with some of the biggest free agents out there in the moment, like the number one draft pick, you'd say, Steven Crowder.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Even if you got him involved, you're still not really...
It's not a thousand times bigger than InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Man, it's coming closer and closer to happening, though, isn't it?
That Crowder, Alex, it's feeling similar.
dan friesen
I don't think that's in Crowder's best interest.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
Especially with Alex doing this.
If Alex didn't do this and they wanted to try and make a run out of turning InfoWars back into something, then maybe.
But at this point, no.
Everyone's fucking themselves over.
jordan holmes
Here's what you do.
All right?
Steven Crowder.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I'm hearing you.
jordan holmes
The Alex Jones show, once a week, people call in and Steven Crowder and Alex Jones have to paint for you.
dan friesen
And they paint on each other.
jordan holmes
Yes!
Oh, man.
100%.
You have to paint on the other guy's back and then he turns around and you get your turn.
And you both have to paint the same picture.
dan friesen
And you have to guess what the other person's painting while your back is turned.
jordan holmes
Yes, 100%.
Yes, totally.
dan friesen
Fun game.
jordan holmes
This would be great.
dan friesen
But look, there's other people.
Bannon has his own shit with the War Room, so he's probably not going to be interested.
Jack Posobiec is too big to mix it up with Alex.
Charlie Kirk is on a bunch of actual radio stations, so he's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's not messing around.
dan friesen
Mike Cernovich is irrelevant.
Stevon Molyneux might as well be a hermit living in the woods.
I just don't understand how you square this circle.
This idea that Alex has about something bigger, the people are coming together.
This idea, I just don't know how it works.
jordan holmes
You know, maybe it's just something he's telling himself, honestly.
Like, how do you motivate yourself to keep going?
You owe $1.5 billion.
You gotta tell yourself something.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
People still want me.
dan friesen
And this is not involved at all.
No, this is not involved.
jordan holmes
This is unrelated to free speech systems.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If any possible lawyer...
I don't know if any lawyers listen to my podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is concerned about bullies.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The left are bullies.
Since when?
Always.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
And so he wants to violently deal with these bullies, but very non-violently.
jordan holmes
That's smart.
alex jones
We are reaching an absolute total critical mass right now.
And you see it, I see it, on the poison shots, on the open borders, on the pedophile rings, on the New World Order, on the energy attacks, on the attempts to shut down our farmers and our small industries and our auto mechanics.
I mean, the people are finally going, whoa, I'm really in a fight.
And, you know, that's the thing about bullies.
They always think when they're threatening you in class or threatening you in the cafeteria when you're in junior high or high school, you're scared of them.
And you're not looking for trouble.
You're not looking for a fight.
And you try to get on the bus, and here comes a bully, and they punch you in the head.
And there's something about that moment they do that.
Everything slows down.
You just reach up in slow motion and grab their head and start bouncing in the concrete.
And the problem is you go too far and you kill them.
We don't want to do that.
We just want to get them off of us.
So just slam their head in the bus once, metaphorically.
Non-violently.
Just like, oh, you know what?
How's that feel?
How's it felt to get hurt like you want to hurt me?
Because you think messing with us intimidates us.
You think as bullies getting in our face and harassing us does something, and all it does is make us think about how bad we're going to get you off our back.
So make no mistake and understand that humanity is rising.
And if you think the old Alex Jones was dangerous to the New World Order, and if you thought the old Alex Jones had your number, I have been taking a lot of time off, and I've been meditating on how to skin you nonviolently, politically alive.
And I'm going to do it with my listeners, my viewers, and God's help.
jordan holmes
Really, really found yourself grounded.
alex jones
All right, I just ran in for 22 minutes.
I'm going to go to some of these special reports.
dan friesen
Yeah, go to some special reports, bro.
So look, I mean, like...
jordan holmes
Alex, I'm glad you finally joined Transcendental Meditation!
dan friesen
That is like Alex's show.
It's one of the only moments in this whole thing where he seems to have some passion behind him, but it's also transparently false and forced.
But here's the thing.
I was thinking about this.
I don't know exactly the words or what these theories are, and I've never studied them in depth, but I've had conversations with people about this.
But the idea that the stage is this place where different rules apply.
We all have an ingrained assumption that something can be done in a play that is outside of our sensibilities, and it's part of the performance.
It kind of transcends it being there.
People can wear costumes and we just accept they're a different person.
jordan holmes
It's one of the reasons that the stage and performance have always been allowed to mock power in a way that everybody else couldn't.
dan friesen
And there's a different relationship with things that are a little bit transgressive.
We relate to art differently because of things taking place in that space.
jordan holmes
In a safer space that can be contained in the stage.
dan friesen
But it also is like...
Our understanding of it is different because of the relationship we have with the stage itself.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And I was thinking about this, and Alex's set is kind of that.
It's a stage in some ways.
And so we kind of understand his, like, I'm gonna skin you alive stuff.
You know, obviously it's not okay and it's still fucked up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it seems more performancy and kind of like, aha, he's in costume, it's on the stage.
When it's at Infowars Studios and there's cuts between different cameras and you can tell that he's desperately trying to make it out to break and he's just saying this angry shit because it gets him excited.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
When he's sitting in like...
It's presumably a room next to his bedroom, and he doesn't have to be doing this, and it doesn't have the same space as a stage, and so this feels weird.
jordan holmes
Dad, are you going to take me fishing next week?
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
He does say something like, you know, it's great to be doing this while my family is just in the next room.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Why are you so angry?
unidentified
This is awful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It doesn't feel as much like...
Performance that you can understand in the sort of context that that provides just kind of seems like...
A guy who angrily wants to talk about violence and killing bullies and stuff, but then doesn't want to take responsibility for that anger, so he says, like, non-violently.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But then you also kind of see him getting worked up, but you know that's not sincere.
And it's just, I mean, it's a mess.
It doesn't feel right at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, that's one thing I have always hated about the left, the bullies, you know?
Because when you think of bullies, you think of, like, violent fantasies or, like...
Threats being said out loud.
Threats of violence.
Physical intimidation.
Making yourself big.
Getting on top of people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Wait, no, that's another person in that clip.
dan friesen
Who's not associated with the free speech system.
But look, you're a hypocrite because earlier you wanted to throw paint balloons at people, so you are a bully.
jordan holmes
That sounds very similar to I will skin you alive politically.
dan friesen
Well, have you meditated about these paint balloons?
jordan holmes
I have not meditated on the paint balloons, you're right.
dan friesen
Well, get back to me.
jordan holmes
I will!
dan friesen
So, obviously, any time you do a first episode of something, you gotta pop some champagne.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
That's what Alex does.
alex jones
I'm not a big...
Wine drinker or a champagne drinker.
But when something special happens, I tend to buy a bottle of champagne.
jordan holmes
Like Reset Wars.
alex jones
It's a nice bottle of French champagne.
It's all real champagne.
It's French.
And have one and then put another away.
And during the break, I thought, wait a minute.
In my office, in a cabinet, I have...
I didn't have time to chill it, but it won't matter.
Because the house is already pretty cold.
I like it cold.
It's cold weather here, so it's probably about 60 degrees.
jordan holmes
Was that necessary?
alex jones
I have a bottle of Dom Perignon that I bought when my five-and-a-half-year-old daughter was born.
And we're giving birth to something new here, alexjoneslive.com.
Everything else is going to come out of that.
Just like InfoWars is going to be huge.
This is going to be huge as well if we do a good job and cover the real news and break major stories and get back on the road and if you support it and promote it.
So to all the viewers and all the listeners and to the crew and all the people that have made this possible and this maiden voyage, It's important as you launch a new ship to christen it.
And so I dedicate this new transmission and this new platform to freedom and to God and to the family and to the free expression of our ideas and to everybody that's gone before us that paid such extreme sacrifices that we can be here today.
dan friesen
So he ends up liking the champagne.
I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just him telling the people who are there working to put it on ice so they can have some later.
And then later in the episode you see him drinking like two more glasses.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He kills the bottle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what?
This actually could be an allegory, okay?
So the allegory is Alex is the main character of our story, buys two bottles of champagne for the birth of his daughter, right?
The birth he celebrates and then the bottle of champagne that he also bought for the birth of his daughter.
You would assume is emotionally connected to the birth of your daughter.
And then this man goes through a transformative experience, and then somehow, rather than in a hero-with-a-thousand-faces style way and change, he instead selfishly...
unidentified
He drinks the bottle by him alone.
dan friesen
Well, he had Mike Adams on the phone.
jordan holmes
So, the allegory is such that you can see if you go through a transformative experience, you should fucking change.
dan friesen
You should.
You should.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I also call into question whether the story is sincere, and if it is, it's fucking sad.
jordan holmes
That is the saddest story.
unidentified
You drink it at her wedding, you drink it at your daughter's birth, at 18th birthday, something with her!
jordan holmes
And he's drinking it!
Let me drink this for the family.
Let me take a big toast for the family.
unidentified
Let me drink this and also clarify that this is not involved with free speech systems.
jordan holmes
This champagne, French champagne, not involved with free speech systems.
dan friesen
So, Mike Adams is coming on to talk about how you will eat the bugs.
alex jones
Mike Adams is joining us to talk about you will eat the bugs.
It's funny how the last five years, accelerating the last few years, the last few months really, through a crescenda, it was a new leftist sacrament.
Oh, don't just wear your mask, don't just take your poison shots, don't just support all the wars, don't just support pedophilia, but eat bugs to save the earth.
Even though the shell of bugs, the chitin in every major study, Cannot be digested by humans and causes all sorts of arthritic issues.
In fact, a bunch of the studies basically project that someone eating even 5% bug diet will develop cancer faster than someone smoking two packs of unfiltered cigarettes a day.
Look that up.
dan friesen
Alex is making all that shit up, except for that your body can't digest parts of bugs.
unidentified
Some parts.
dan friesen
But the same is true of celery.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex couldn't back up any of the stuff he's saying, and honestly, I have zero interest in the you-will-eat-the-bugs narrative and conspiracy.
Luckily, when Mike Adams comes on, he doesn't actually really get into it.
Unluckily, he does still show up, so they do talk about some other things.
But I honestly, I don't think that I've heard you will eat the bugs from anybody except people like Alex complaining about it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'll say eventually we're going to eat bugs.
I want to be honest with people in a way that most people won't.
Eventually we're going to eat bugs.
That's how it's going to work.
But listen, here's some good news.
When we do eat bugs...
It's not like chefs are going to be like, alright, we're done.
No more cooking.
We're just eating bugs.
They're going to be like, fine.
We'll figure out a new way to make good things out of bugs.
dan friesen
Here is a raw giant spider.
unidentified
Exactly.
You're not going to go to Pizza Hut and they're going to be like, no more pizza.
jordan holmes
Bugs.
dan friesen
Bug Hut.
And now Hutts are illegal.
jordan holmes
The Bug Hut buffet.
It went away, but I swear it was the best.
dan friesen
When you're saying we will eat bugs.
I think your assessment is probably correct.
In as much as there will be very effective replacements of a number of things, protein-based and what have you, there are a lot of interesting avenues that are much more ecologically stable that are that.
But the only reason I push back a tiny bit is because, you know, there are constant innovations that happen across the board.
And so the idea that bugs will necessarily become a large part of our diet is...
jordan holmes
Let me try and clarify.
The bugs are less the literal bugs as much as they are like, your diet is going to change because of climate change.
That's just how it works.
dan friesen
Food, our relationship to food will necessarily evolve.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That is fine.
jordan holmes
To be like, how dare they do that?
Look, man, we're too late for that.
It's going to happen.
dan friesen
But I still don't hear anybody but...
People like Alex saying, oh my god, someone's trying to force me to eat a bug.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Well, I mean, I think there was the bug squares in Snowpiercer.
That's about as good as it gets for, oh no, we're going to eat bugs.
dan friesen
And the sort of tacky hack joke at this point already of Rogan yelling at people to eat bugs on Fear Factor.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
You're not going to have to eat live bugs.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is waiting for Mike Adams to show up and he starts lying.
alex jones
You know, I think that retired Colonel Douglas McGregor is a smart guy.
But he said the Russians were going to win in just a few weeks.
And I said, well, they may, but if they don't, it's going to go on for years.
And the Pentagon thinks it's going to go on for years.
But there's no doubt Ukraine's collapsed.
But it doesn't matter.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Because Western money's being pumped in to keep the war going.
Just because the civilization collapses doesn't mean that a war is...
jordan holmes
The civilization collapse?
dan friesen
his past position.
In the lead-up to the invasion, Alex was airing Putin's speeches and talking about how great a leader he was and insisting that, if anything, Russia...
Russia was just going to go into the Donbass region to assist the separatists there because he was trying to crush communism.
Then the invasion happened, and Alex said it would be over in a day or two because Russia had paid off Ukraine's military and that Zelensky was a secret double agent who'd also been paid off by Putin.
None of this came to pass, and Alex has just pretended that that wasn't his coverage for the weeks surrounding the invasion.
He lies about this stuff because if he didn't, it would be too obvious that the things he's saying now will look just as stupid in a year.
The sort of shell game of pretending you didn't say what you said before is essential if you want to be tomorrow's news today.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it is a luxury that I think he doesn't really appreciate.
He takes it for granted that people will not check.
dan friesen
That his audience is so deeply complacent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like that is something that he should be far more grateful for.
And he just takes it for granted.
dan friesen
Well, I think once you take on the name of like...
I'm a truth seeker.
Or like, I do my own research and all this stuff.
You're halfway there.
You don't really have to follow through.
That's fair.
It gives you the boost of like...
jordan holmes
It's like the studio.
It gives you an air of professionality where you do not have any skill.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think...
What was it?
I think my therapist one time told me about, like, if you have some sort of thing that you want to do, don't tell people you're going to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because if you do, you'll have the feeling of having done it because you'll have told them and it'll make you less likely to follow through with your plans.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Might have been talking about my deep problems with procrastination.
Nah.
And I think the same is true of people who, like, are Alex listeners.
Yeah.
They just tell themselves that the point has been proven.
They tell themselves that they dig for the truth and, you know...
Do their own research, and that gives them the feeling that they do, and that's good enough.
And Alex banks on that.
jordan holmes
And then the other way you lie to yourself is you say, by saying it out loud, people will hold me accountable for it.
I said it out loud, I said I'm a truth teller, so if people don't hold me accountable for not being a truth teller...
dan friesen
Alex says look it up, so therefore, if there isn't a complete exodus of all of his listeners, then what he said must have been true.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yep, not good.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has lately been talking about Mr. Rogers a bit.
jordan holmes
So we've got Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers are both in play on today's episode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's a video of Mr. Rogers.
He had a song called Everybody's Fancy that he wrote back in the day.
jordan holmes
Was it an accurate song or more of a fantasy song?
dan friesen
No, it's about...
About boys grow up to be boys and girls grow up to be girls.
And so now it's been...
jordan holmes
Appropriated for the far right?
dan friesen
A bit weaponized.
jordan holmes
A completely banal and harmless little song.
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting because the argument that Alex seems to have is that leftists are up in arms canceling Mr. Rogers over this.
I've not heard...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
I've not heard anything of that, but I've heard Alex claim that quite a bit.
It's almost like he really wants the left to do this so he can say, ha ha, look at this.
jordan holmes
It would be really helpful for the left to do stupid things for me.
That would be nice, because then I could be like, hey, look at how much smarter than you I am.
And that you're not doing it makes me very frustrated.
dan friesen
Also, Alex doesn't deal with the fact that Mr. Rogers updated the lyrics to this.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
Come on.
Jesus, that guy was the best.
dan friesen
He had some good qualities.
alex jones
Speaking of playing God, everything in our universe is male and female.
Locks and keys.
jordan holmes
What?
Those are the universe's fault?
alex jones
The whole way the planet operates.
jordan holmes
What?
It spins male and female?
alex jones
The 90s doing a show on X and Y chromosomes, male and female chromosomes, pulling that a few years ago because you're not allowed to say men are men, women are women.
But now the left, there's a big article on Infowars.com.
It's triggered by old Mr. Rogers boys are boys, girls are girls clips.
And then another clip we're going to play right after it of him on a nightly show, a nightly late night comedy show.
dan friesen
Carson.
alex jones
Saying, well, children can be confused when they're young.
It's important not to confuse them because psychologists knew this early on.
They would have some identity issues as they went into puberty, not understanding what it meant to be male, what it meant to be female.
So instead of that critical juncture, guiding them into what they are.
The system is there trying to make that decision for them.
dan friesen
That's not exactly the point of Mr. Rogers' song.
But also, keys and locks aren't inherently male or female.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't even understand how if that's your first example.
dan friesen
Those are terms that we gave them, and they're essentially arbitrary.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It would be just as easy to say that they're top and bottom plugs, or pokey and dippy plugs, or innie and outie, or whatever.
It's cultural.
It means nothing to larger reality.
jordan holmes
Language, it could, ah, and brr, that'd be fine.
That'd also be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, it could work.
Yeah.
Yeah, so this argument falls flat a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, I'm not going to get involved in the Mr. Rogers culture war that Alex wants.
jordan holmes
I refuse.
dan friesen
So desperately wants.
jordan holmes
That is so silly, I refuse.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex isn't going to go away.
And neither is InfoWars.
And they are two separate things.
jordan holmes
They are completely unrelated.
alex jones
We're just sticking our toe a little bit into these waters right now.
And we're finally doing it.
I was always a man of action.
jordan holmes
Why are you finally doing it?
alex jones
But InfoWars is quite the operation.
It becomes the main focus.
But it feels so good to be in a new studio.
So good to be doing all of this.
And again, we're not getting rid of InfoWars.
It's going to be there.
It's going to be stronger than ever.
jordan holmes
We're getting rid of InfoWars.
unidentified
All our enemies to know that we'll be getting rid of InfoWars.
alex jones
Three new studios in Austin.
dan friesen
Too many.
alex jones
This is the one in my house.
The others aren't even my studios or groups.
jordan holmes
You can't find them.
alex jones
And five other deals right now.
In case anybody thinks you're going to shut us down or silence us, all you're going to do is get us to intensify our free speech.
dan friesen
I agree, but there's no demand.
Like, you're just gonna, like, if you create a ton more shit, fine, but no one wants it.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
Also, and I'm gonna throw this out at you.
dan friesen
You're solving the wrong problem.
jordan holmes
It feels like he's trying to do one of those corporate rebrands, you know, where somebody like Enron, you know, destroys the economy or something, and then they're like, well, we're sorry, and they declare bankruptcy, and then they change their name to Ron N, and you're like, can you do that?
But they changed their name.
They didn't just go, ha-ha, we're Enron 2. Like, that's stupid.
dan friesen
It's the new Alex Jones show.
jordan holmes
No, it's the same.
dan friesen
And I don't even know if that's an official name.
I think that might have just been something he said.
AlexJones.Live, baby.
jordan holmes
The new not-free-speech-system show.
dan friesen
Right.
Also, I think that Alex might have a difficult time arguing that these are, like, totally distinct things.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Because he'll be like, oh, but it's AlexJones.Live.
It's not Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
And then you go through all of the million whack-a-mole URLs that he's bought and tried to redirect to his website.
It seems like, I don't know, it seems very much the same thing.
Yeah.
unidentified
Anyway, Infowars could burn the fuck down and he'd still be doing this.
alex jones
This studio was being built two years ago.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
alex jones
It's been done for about a year.
But then I said, I want it hooked up to the satellites.
I want it hooked up to the radio stations.
I want it hooked up to all the servers.
Do you think that's a good idea?
You know, if a plane was to crash at InfoWars headquarters, or a lightning bolt, or an act of God, or a billion-dollar lawsuit, or whatever happens, or a clown car full of explosives was to drive into it, we will still have a place to do the show, and then, God forbid, a plane crashes into this, we've got two more places.
It's so crazy how I think what's about to happen is I'm going to start doing three shows a day.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
And then I'm going to do a bunch of other shows.
In fact, I went ahead and pulled the trigger this week because they've got these groups that call up these PR firms that want you on all these shows, and I've been cutting them back to like 10 a week.
And I just said, you know, they've wanted me to shut up so bad.
I said, go ahead and hit me.
I'll do 20 interviews a week.
So now I'm going to run real hard for a few weeks and take off a few days because I never used to run hard all the time.
I've learned I can like take off a few days, like an engine, let it cool off and run it even harder the next time.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's almost like you're on speed.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is one of the most desperate performances I think I've heard in a long time.
dan friesen
You know people who are on cocaine?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They go real hard for a few days and then they crash.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the crash gets worse every time.
And the high gets less.
So you want it more.
dan friesen
Alex.
Alex, Alex, I don't understand.
I mean, okay, maybe he's gotten some requests for interviews.
It's great that he's saying yes to them, but, I mean, 20 a day?
First of all, you don't have time.
Second of all, there's not the demand.
If you're doing three shows a day, no one wants that.
It's just clutter.
You don't have enough to say to fill those shows.
There's no reason for them to exist on a substantive basis, and then no one's gonna buy it.
No one wants it.
No one's gonna consume the media.
You're wasting your time.
You're gonna defeat the globalists by...
By burning yourself out and diminishing returns in yourself out of anyone caring when you talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, a lot of times people are like, oh, so when you're down, you know, that's when you expand.
You can't retract when you're down.
But on the other hand, sometimes getting rid of, say, a massive amount of overhead from having multiple studios might make it easier to run a slick, pared-down show.
dan friesen
Nah, these are not his studios.
unidentified
These are completely separate from free speech systems.
dan friesen
Legally unconnected to anything that could be touched by lawsuits.
Yeah, I think that this is stupid.
People who are normal, who don't know anything about all this stuff that I talk to...
When they say, how long is his show?
And I'm like, three hours.
And they're like, what?
Why?
And then I'm like, yeah, and it's also six days a week he does shows.
Like, what the fuck?
Like, normal people already think one show a day from him for three hours is severe overkill.
I can't imagine anybody, even his most, like...
jordan holmes
I mean, based on most people's interaction with Alex through, like, clips, you know...
I could 100% see you thinking like, okay, maybe this is an hour-long show.
And since I don't see clips of it every day, like, I don't know, The Daily Show or whatever, maybe it only happens once a week or something like that.
I can totally see that.
You fools.
dan friesen
You fools.
And honestly, Alex is a lot like Vegemite.
A little goes a long way.
Long way.
I don't know.
Three shows a day.
Please do it.
Do it.
You'll burn yourself out so fast.
jordan holmes
I mean, it may be the most important lesson that Alex needs to learn is you've got to go away to come back.
And he's got to go away.
And he doesn't have to come back.
But if he comes back, if he wants to come back, he's going to have to go away first.
He doesn't get to just continue doing the show on a different format.
You've got to go away.
dan friesen
Go away.
unidentified
Go away.
dan friesen
So anyway, someone who isn't going away is Charlie Daniels tweets about Benghazi.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He used to tweet all the time, Benghazi ain't going away.
jordan holmes
Is he still tweeting about it?
dan friesen
No, he's dead.
jordan holmes
Or have the tweets continued coming out long after his death?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just remember he would always tweet that.
But someone who's sticking around is Alex's first ever guest, Michael.
Health Ranger Adams.
jordan holmes
It's over for humanity.
alex jones
Without further ado, I am so incredibly honored to have one of the smartest, most amazing, most dynamic, influential, informative people that is ahead of the curve by light years and is awakening humanity and has just been devastating the enemy.
I've known him almost 15 years.
And I was sitting here a few days ago thinking, all right, I'm finally going to launch AlexJonesLive.com.
There's so much behind this.
This is just my little home studio here.
Who do I want on?
Who I most respect as the first guest.
jordan holmes
Who doesn't hate me now?
alex jones
I thought, oh, it's Mike Adams.
I called him.
He came on.
He's coming on my main Infowars show tomorrow to break huge news.
So the first interview on AlexJonesLive.com is with the great health ranger Mike Adams.
dan friesen
All right, who am I going to get for my first guest?
How about a complete weirdo who's not welcome anywhere else?
Somebody who's only interviewed by me because he is so lacking in credibility in any way.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, I am waiting for him to end his part of this podcast by being like, and Owen's going to finish out the last half hour.
That's what I'm waiting for.
dan friesen
Owen's in the pool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, 100%.
He's going to do the pool stream.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Mike?
Holy shit.
I think that he might have taken some notes from Steve Pechenik.
jordan holmes
Oh, is he taking some big swings today?
dan friesen
He might be swinging.
jordan holmes
He might be swinging, huh?
dan friesen
He might have some ideas.
jordan holmes
He might have some Casey at the bat.
dan friesen
So, the vaccines, of course.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Part of a depopulation plan.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
But check this shit out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
mike adams
What we're looking at here is a combined global depopulation effort that is failing.
It is failing.
Because of the efforts of the InfoWarriors and Alex Jones and myself and others.
I mean, many, many people.
Thousands of people sounding the alarm.
And because of that, the globalists have realized they can't achieve their kill quotas.
So yes, they have kill quotas.
Every national leader has been given a kill quota like, you must kill off, they're told, 70% of the population or 75%.
Or maybe it's only 60, but it's a big percentage of the population.
And the United States is not going to reach that kill quota through these existing kill vectors.
jordan holmes
That's so disappointing.
mike adams
Now we have to resort to the next stage of the global depopulation effort.
And what is that?
Well, of course, it's provoking Russia into a nuclear attack on the United States.
dan friesen
This just makes sense.
This is the most credible voice.
This is a respected genius who Alex is honored to have as his first guest on his stupid podcast.
jordan holmes
I mean, I assume they wouldn't write down the kill quotas, right?
dan friesen
That is exactly what I was thinking.
unidentified
Mike is just imagining this.
jordan holmes
I mean, if they wrote down one kill quota, you've made a huge mistake.
dan friesen
If you have ever said the worst kill quota.
jordan holmes
Somebody's recording somewhere.
There are balloons overhead that are recording shit now.
dan friesen
I love this.
Mike Adams just sat around and thought about this and then decided this must be what's going on.
We have to explain why the vaccine isn't actually killing the number of people that we've said.
It can't possibly be because we're full of shit and the vaccine isn't a bioweapon full of poison.
It must be that the Infowarriors have been so successful in saving humanity.
That must be it.
Oh, kill quotas.
Nuclear war.
Oh, be scared.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of essentially turning your entire cult into people with OCD who have to constantly bark at the right time in order to stop the entire world from being depopulated.
dan friesen
I mean, if you listen to Mike and you think he...
We were supposed to have been invaded by China.
unidentified
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
They were going to do a land invasion.
jordan holmes
They were going to do a land invasion.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would have been tough.
dan friesen
Missed that one.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't recommend it for him.
dan friesen
So anyway, there's going to be some shit that goes down in addition to apparently baiting Russia into nuking U.S. targets.
jordan holmes
Sure.
How do you bait someone into nuclear attack?
dan friesen
Do one of these?
jordan holmes
I mean, because the mutually assured destruction means no matter what baiting you do, any attack will be...
dan friesen
Well, I think you start...
unidentified
Slow.
dan friesen
First, you walk up behind Putin and then put bunny ears behind him and take a picture.
jordan holmes
You don't send him a card on his birthday.
That's already stepping across the line.
dan friesen
It's passive-aggressive, but it gets the message across.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later, you're going to get a nuke.
dan friesen
And then you don't say, hey, it's cool that you invaded Ukraine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Once you do that, nukes.
dan friesen
So anyway, as that's happening, China is going to blockade Taiwan.
And then also all imports from China are going to stop.
So the U.S. is going to be in trouble.
And here's what's going to happen.
mike adams
But just cutting off exports from China will then cause economic chaos in the United States.
Total economic chaos.
And that combined with the fragile nature of the U.S. culture and how the radical left has been pushing anti-police.
jordan holmes
Because police are going to stop the Chinese?
mike adams
And pushing violent crime and pushing race warfare and so on.
That's going to lead to massive uprisings and violent revolts in America.
And that will exacerbate the population die-off that's happening at the same time there is some food scarcity.
But you see, what I want you to understand, if you're watching this in the United States...
You're not going to go to the grocery store and see all the shelves empty.
It won't be that way.
There will be some food scarcity here.
Not enough to kill you by itself.
But that panic from that scarcity combined with the social unrest, combined with perhaps an escalation of war with Russia, and then combined with cyber warfare attacks on the financial infrastructure that takes down even the power grid or regional sections of the power grid, and that takes down banking, takes down food stamps, takes down ATMs.
So that the people start to panic.
They freak out.
They don't have anybody to come to their rescue.
And that's when the panicked population goes into a kind of a violent overdrive situation and you get massive violence and die-offs in the cities with no one coming to their rescue.
That's the scenario that they're trying to create.
Now then, when that happens, the government will try to confiscate food from farms in rural areas and then shift it into the cities because they want to keep...
The left-wing Democrats alive, if they can, relative to the country conservatives that they're definitely trying to kill off more quickly.
I don't think that plan's going to succeed, by the way.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
And this plan, he still thinks voting is going to be important later on?
dan friesen
Yeah, that is strange.
I think that we're well past that at this point.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, I would say...
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
First of all, this is all stupid.
jordan holmes
Yep, very stupid.
dan friesen
But second...
How much fun must it be to be a dramatic weirdo and you're just able to write out your bizarre fantasies and then come on Alex's show and rattle them off as if they're like, this is definitely what's going to happen.
unidentified
And then Alex tells you you're a genius.
jordan holmes
It's like a disease.
unidentified
It's gotta be so fun.
jordan holmes
It's like a disease, I swear.
I mean, the idea of any part of that plan.
In any way functioning.
dan friesen
Well, it's everything, isn't it?
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
You know?
It's everything.
Everything happens.
jordan holmes
It's like, what?
And again, thank you for stopping this imaginary problem by shouting at people from time to time.
dan friesen
Good lord.
jordan holmes
You've done it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What heroes.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So anyway, Mike sums up his complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Quotas.
mike adams
To summarize.
They want to kill off some large percentage of Americans, maybe 70%, but they want to kill off conservatives more than Democrats.
That's going to be very hard to achieve.
Because, number one, Democrats are the ones who took the vaccines the most.
Democrats live in the artificial cities that are not survivable on their own.
Democrats are going to have the most difficult time with preparedness.
They're not familiar with firearms.
They can't reason with people.
They're not prepared.
They don't understand how to grow their own food.
So all the things that you learn on Infowars by listening to the guests and all the special reports and all the coverage from Alex Jones over the years makes you hard to kill.
You are hard to kill.
If you're watching this, you're hard to kill.
And that's half of your survival plan right there.
jordan holmes
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
No one is hard to kill.
It doesn't matter.
I know you think that there's some sort of toughness.
You sleep.
It's gonna be fine.
dan friesen
No, what you don't understand is that the repetition of hard to kill, it seems very suspicious, but what Mike is actually doing is he's trying to activate a very singular sleeper cell that is Steven Seagal.
I gotta say, it's pretty funny to imagine that listening to Infowars makes you more able to reason with people.
unidentified
Don't say it.
jordan holmes
I couldn't even handle hearing the word.
I couldn't even handle hearing the word.
Democrats don't know how to reason with people.
dan friesen
It's impossible.
jordan holmes
I just heard a man say that he wants to skin people alive.
dan friesen
Politically.
Not violently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It doesn't sound like reasoning is more his goal.
dan friesen
This MF-er right here just said that there were kill quotas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And I can't reason?
I'm unable to reason a way that there aren't kill quotas, but he's too good at reasoning for me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, it makes them hard to kill if they listen to InfoWars.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Actually, I think...
I was going to make some kind of a joke about Alex's supplements, creating a shield in your skin.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that'd be fun.
dan friesen
It gives you a hard...
jordan holmes
You can't digest yourself!
dan friesen
You get an exoskeleton by taking Alex's...
Ironically.
You'll not eat the bugs, you will be the bugs.
jordan holmes
You will be the bugs.
Kafka reigns supreme.
dan friesen
But yeah, if you listen to InfoWars, you're going to get an advance notice of when to get out of town.
Now that's great, except for I've listened to Alex for years and he constantly tells people it's time to get out of town.
jordan holmes
I've been told to get out of town so many times.
dan friesen
So maybe you won't have an advance notice because Alex says it all the fucking time.
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, Chicago's about to get nuked, or it was nuked a few years ago and we still didn't get out of town.
dan friesen
No, we stayed in town.
mike adams
People who watch your show are going to have the early warning signs, probably a couple of days ahead of the masses for when it's time to get out of Dodge.
alex jones
That's right.
You were on my show, and I didn't think you were wrong, but I was kind of like, come on.
You were on my show in February and April saying they're doing lockdowns.
And I'm like, really?
Like Chinese said, watch, and it happened.
How did you know?
mike adams
Well, I mean, no, it's the same thing.
You know, we're all just watching the news and looking for the milestones out there, the markers.
Now, neither you nor I are always correct, obviously.
We make mistakes, or we try to project something into the future, and maybe that date isn't right, or maybe it looks a little different.
That's fine.
jordan holmes
Or maybe it's over for humanity.
dan friesen
You're wrong about everything, bro.
Yeah, literally everything.
Don't play this game with me.
jordan holmes
Every single thing.
dan friesen
I listen to your dumb shit back then.
jordan holmes
You tell people to put Ebola into a drink.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
Oh, that was last time.
jordan holmes
That's never excused.
You never move past that one.
dan friesen
We all make mistakes.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Ebola is not a mistake.
dan friesen
Who among us is not...
jordan holmes
I mean, no.
Refuse.
Let who is without Ebola cast the first stone.
dan friesen
So Alex lies about his early COVID coverage here in a fun way.
alex jones
And let's talk about a microcosm of that.
You and I, in February, March, and April of 2020...
We're saying this is a real virus.
It's killing people, which it was.
Not as deadly as they said, but it was real.
jordan holmes
What?
Now you're making this up?
alex jones
You better get on.
jordan holmes
This isn't fair.
alex jones
Very quickly.
And the globalists knew that.
They were trying to block anybody with therapeutics to cause the biggest death toll.
But because of you and many other people and Infowars, the public did get the truth and countless millions were saved.
So that's why this is really a life and death situation.
So as you said...
We're the early warning with our experts and our research and our callers.
dan friesen
We talk a lot of shit, and we avoid fake kill quotas with, uh...
I don't know.
So anyway, Alex is lying, but Mike's lies, I think, are actually a little bit more, like, disgraceful.
mike adams
Yeah, you're exactly right.
That was a very confusing time for all of us.
jordan holmes
Good dodge.
mike adams
Because we saw these warnings coming out of China.
I didn't know, are these whistleblowers with these videos, or is it all rigged and staged?
And in retrospect, a lot of the hype out of China, I think, was staged.
But you're right.
We did sound the alarm, and then at that time, the mainstream media was saying there's nothing to worry about whatsoever.
And then they flipped, remember?
They flipped to say, oh, it's the worst thing ever, and everybody's going to die, and everybody is going to die.
alex jones
And we predicted that would happen.
mike adams
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's cute for Mike to say that the videos out of China were a hoax because it was him and Alex who were scaring their audience with them at the beginning of the pandemic.
Mike even translated these videos because he speaks Chinese.
That's how involved in the hoax he was.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
They were the main outlet running constant stories about people allegedly being shot at checkpoints in Wuhan and their sensational ass coverage of any video from China.
If you listen to this clip and all of this discussion, really, Mike and Alex are condemning their past selves.
But to make it more palatable to the audience, they're ascribing their past positions to the mainstream media.
Yep.
unidentified
Most people were not saying that the virus was no big deal back then, but that maybe we shouldn't totally freak out about it yet.
dan friesen
At that point, Mike was saying that it was over for humanity and there would only be lone survivors, while Alex was making up that the death toll had a child.
You bet.
Of course.
As the rest of the world began to take the virus more seriously, it was necessary for Alex to pivot into a denialist stance, which he did by attacking every vestige of connecting the virus to reality.
jordan holmes
Just because it's real doesn't mean you should agree with the mainstream media.
dan friesen
Everything that was meant to be a preventative measure was secretly a globalist attack.
Any vaccine would necessarily be a globalist bioweapon attack.
Temporarily closing unnecessary businesses was a means of limiting...
It wasn't a means of limiting contact and spread.
It was the globalists trying to crash the...
Yep.
unidentified
While Alex resisted going full David Icke and committing to the there is no virus narrative, all that he's done since he made that pivot into fighting a mainstream that was taking the virus very seriously has been in service of undermining exactly that.
dan friesen
And of course he did.
There's no money to make in telling people that they should wear masks and follow guidance about social distancing.
Yeah.
unidentified
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
You can be a complete mask denialist and still sell your audience masks and somehow get away with it.
It's disgraceful to see these two charlatans be so proud of themselves for getting everything wrong.
They were able to do that because they're pretending they said the opposite thing that they did, and they know that their audience is never going to hold them accountable.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
jordan holmes
And again, they take it for granted.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, listen to them laugh about how right they were knowing.
Beautifully, that they were the dumbest people alive.
And frankly, the reason that we wound up getting those lockdowns was because those people treated it so irresponsibly.
dan friesen
Which, by the way, we didn't get lockdown lockdown.
jordan holmes
No, we didn't get lockdown lockdown.
dan friesen
We just all somehow accepted that terminology, which was a pretty big mistake, I think, in hindsight.
So, one of the things that's really difficult is Alex got COVID a bunch, and apparently Mike did too.
Or at least he got it one time, and it was pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Who could have seen this coming?
dan friesen
Yeah, almost like everybody would.
And actually, this clip almost made me throw something across the room.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Sure, Mike, but I want to say this.
We know the first variant, if you got it, was super devastating and had a good chance of killing some people, but it was very hard to get it.
And so I wasn't saying you were wrong when you said, hey, it's really bad, and you didn't want to leave your ranch, and I don't blame you.
But then when I got the second variant...
I was 47 years old at that time, and I'm tough.
I mean, this, for three weeks, I couldn't breathe.
I thought I was going to die.
If I didn't have the nutraceuticals and the steroids, the rest of it, and the ivermectin, I would have almost killed my dad, almost killed my mom.
This is unlike anything else.
So believe me, if I, in retrospect, knew how bad it was, I'd have been staying at the ranch as well.
You've got everything you need, your infrastructure.
You're able to broadcast from there.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
If you'd known how bad it is, in hindsight, you would have, I don't know, social distanced.
You would have done the things that the fucking glow lists were telling you?
You stupid asshole.
Think about how bad you had it.
You're a strong guy, and you had it that bad, and your mom and dad almost died.
Think about all the other people out there who weren't as lucky, you dumb fuck.
In hindsight, I wish I would have gone to the ranch so I wouldn't have gotten disease, that I wouldn't have gotten this sickness that I was pretending I couldn't get, and I didn't tell the audience that I had at the time that I had it because I was telling them not to social distance and that this was all bullshit.
What a fuck.
Fucking asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the entire human race should descend upon him after hearing that.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to ever engage with a human who did that.
dan friesen
Well, that's because you're not able to reason.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
Good point.
Not anymore.
Not after hearing that.
All reason is gone from me.
dan friesen
So Mike also got COVID.
alex jones
People that say this doesn't exist have not had it.
Have you ever had it?
mike adams
Yeah, I dealt with it, too.
And remember from the early days, we didn't know how effective ivermectin was going to be, right?
And we didn't know the effectiveness.
alex jones
I didn't even have it.
I heard ivermectin, and I got it, and was super sick for a week, and within hours of ivermectin, it got 90% better.
I was still sick for a few weeks, and if I'd had it early on, all the numbers show, it would have been fine.
dan friesen
You were still sick for a few weeks?
jordan holmes
I just...
I don't understand how people can say the things that they say without thinking about how stupid they are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I took this thing and I was still sick for a long time.
jordan holmes
No, it healed me right away.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And then I was sick for another couple weeks.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then I was healed again by...
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
This is quite a testimonial for this fake thing.
jordan holmes
I just...
I just don't...
It's not fair.
It's not fair that I can't, like...
I can't just play that for them and be like, do you get it now?
dan friesen
Yeah, do you understand?
jordan holmes
Because they don't.
dan friesen
Do you understand what a piece of shit you are?
jordan holmes
They will never.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Alex saying, in retrospect, after I got the illness, I wish I would have taken precautionary measures so I wouldn't get it.
It's just unbelievable.
jordan holmes
No, you should go to jail.
dan friesen
It's unbelievable.
jordan holmes
I genuinely believe he should go to jail.
I don't know what for.
I don't care what for.
He said that, put him in his cell.
dan friesen
I don't know how to write the law, but boy, I feel like...
If he's doing some meditations, he should meditate the fuck on that.
jordan holmes
I just can't get past that.
That's un-fucking-real.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unacceptable.
I mean, the lies about his past positions are unacceptable on their own tack.
But that kind of a statement of his feelings and his understanding of...
The very thing that he rallied against.
jordan holmes
Refusing to take responsibility for any of it.
dan friesen
Right, no, he was right all along.
jordan holmes
He wouldn't say right there, I am sorry to the people I told not to social distance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now that I've got the...
dan friesen
Now that I understand what people were trying to avoid.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yeah, he couldn't even say that.
He had to be like, hey, listen, it's such a good thing that that fake thing that we lied to you about also was fake and didn't work.
dan friesen
Yeah, also sorry that I lied to you all by not saying that I...
I got COVID the whole time that I was getting COVID all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Fucking dick.
jordan holmes
We lived through two fucking years.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
Anyway, we have one last clip here, and it's a tease for Mike Adams' bug investigation that's going to be on the next day's show with Alex.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'll take a bug investigation.
dan friesen
So there's a bit more of Alex talking about nothing, and then Pete Santilli comes in, and it's a boring interview, but also one funny thing to bring up about Pete Santilli.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is that he's like, oh man, you got a great lawyer, that Norm Pettis.
Real funny.
jordan holmes
Oh god, I don't think Alex even believes Norm is a good lawyer anymore.
dan friesen
The camera was away from Alex's face, notably during that.
But yeah, anyway, here's the tease for Mike's big bug investigation.
alex jones
Well, tell us, give us a prelude on the bug investigation.
mike adams
Alright, so yeah, I'm bringing a thumb drive.
These are high-resolution, high-end video microscopy photos of the cricket meal, the cricket powders, that are being pushed onto people.
So we purchased these products, they're labeled for human consumption.
And then they suffocate under powder.
We're going to bring you the photos of the cricket flower with all the little bugs and cricket hairs and eyeballs and everything that are in it.
And it's going to be quite visually shocking, Alex.
So be ready.
It'll be fun.
dan friesen
This is sad.
jordan holmes
It's going to be fun.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know.
This has the energy of someone who's like, put your hand in this bowl.
It's eyeballs.
No, it's grapes.
You know, like it's that level of kind of you can trick a child.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I understand.
I've seen enough things in microscopes that oftentimes things look really weird and fucked up when you go real close on them.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's all this is going to be.
It's going to be, like, fucking really weird pictures from a really microscopic level that they're going to pretend are, oh my god, look at this.
It's a pentagram.
jordan holmes
If you want to tell me what's going on in a microscopic picture.
All right.
You have to have used a microscope at least five times every year.
dan friesen
Mike probably has used the Health Ranger.
jordan holmes
Do you think?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't care.
But also, I love the idea that Alex asks him, give us a tease of what's going on with your bug investigation.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because that's what you also would say to a child.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
What's going on with your bug collection?
dan friesen
Daddy, did you know that some of them have six legs?
jordan holmes
I'm gonna put a pin in this one!
You found it!
This has such pretty leaves!
dan friesen
Look at you, you're a little bug ranger.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, yes!
Mike the Bug Ranger.
dan friesen
God, what a bunch of shit.
jordan holmes
This is horrendous.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is not sustainable.
jordan holmes
I demand that we...
I demand now.
I demand that we live in a simulation.
Because I refuse to believe that a reality would allow that to occur.
dan friesen
I think if Alex is banking on this and...
Thinks this is gonna be good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's mistaken.
I don't think this is gonna work out.
jordan holmes
It's not a good idea.
dan friesen
Especially if you're putting out this shitty of quality of content that is virtually indistinguishable from Infowars.
jordan holmes
Completely separate from Infowars and free speech systems.
dan friesen
But the content is almost indistinguishable except for it lacks the elevated air of the studio.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't understand why anybody is going to be that interested, especially when you ramp up production and flood people with more content to fish through.
Like, I just think this sucks.
I think this is a big, big, big mistake.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I found the problem with Beanie Babies was maybe that they flooded the market.
dan friesen
My problem was not enough!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Should have been three times as many babies.
Also, though, I mean, like, the...
The desperateness that Alex has to differentiate this with free speech systems is fucking hilarious.
And worth an episode on its own, probably.
jordan holmes
So funny.
dan friesen
And then also those fireside chats being very suspiciously thematically surrounding fossil fuel industry talking points.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Is suspicious at best.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
Maybe.
I mean, he's got a lot of different sources of funding.
He's got a bunch of different projects lined up.
And it just so happens that one of them, he spouts direct oil industry talking points.
dan friesen
And tries to Trojan horse them on you as news.
Yes.
We'll see if that trend continues.
I'm going to keep my eye on this space.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Well, you can't.
It's fire.
It's nature's TV.
Can't take your eyes away.
dan friesen
So good.
Did you see the last episode of fire?
jordan holmes
That crackling noise at hour and 24?
dan friesen
Caught me off guard.
jordan holmes
Blew me away.
dan friesen
So we'll be back, Jordan.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
alex jones
Oh, you know what?
unidentified
Eh.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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