Knowledge Fight - #763: December 15, 2003

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#763: December 15, 2003

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December 15, 2003’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ immediate post-Saddam capture claims—dismissing Nessera as "propaganda" while peddling Baath Party conspiracy theories. Callers speculate on staged Mars bars and "globalist" theatrics like Skull & Bones at 9/11, revealing his pattern of seeding doubt without evidence. Jones’ paranoid rants about psychic horses and technical threats contrast with his later self-styled omniscience, exposing a manipulative, ever-shifting narrative that thrives on fear rather than facts. [Automatically generated summary]
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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
unidentified		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
unidentified		Shang, we are the bad guys.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge and fight.
unidentified		Dan and Jordan.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I need, I need money.
		Andy and Kansas.
		Andy and Pandy.
unidentified		Stop it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Pansy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Kansas.
unidentified		It's time to pray.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding it.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fish pin calling up here just saying I love your room.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Quick question for you, buddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's your bright spot?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot today, Jordan, I feel like maybe talk a little bit about the goings-on at the library that's being built.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still being burnt down.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Library of Alexandria, I assume, is the one you're talking about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		A modern day.
		Weird anti-communism library that will be burned down eventually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I've gotten a number of issues of the American opinion and what have you, the John Birch Society.
		That collection is coming together.
		Indeed.
		And what have you.
		And I started to think about, like, I want to start with a little bit of specialization because, you know, otherwise we're just going to be randomly trying to find things.
		And that makes the hunt a little bit more challenging when you don't have a real target.
		And so I decided that I'm going to begin by trying to compile as much as I can of Ravilo P. Oliver works.
		And I found some very terrible things so far.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and surprising.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's written some real terrible, very, very anti-Semitic stuff.
		And the reason I chose to go in this direction is partially because I believe that a lot of his ideas about the West and the Western man in Christendom and those sorts of things are very relevant to the right wing as it exists now.
		And I think a lot of people don't have that thread to pull.
		And maybe exploring that a little bit could be helpful.
		True.
		But then the other thing was that when you think about the John Birch Society, which is the cornerstone of the materials that are going to be in this thing I'm putting together, the first meeting that they had, the founding members that were there, a lot of these people were business folks.
		They were industrialists.
		They were members of the National Association of Manufacturers.
unidentified		You know, most fascists are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		You had the candyman.
		Shelch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fred Koch.
		You know, you had these folks who were, you know, I'm sure they had ideas, but they weren't primarily idea people.
		Right.
		Whereas Ravilo P. Oliver was somebody who was there, and he's an ideas guy.
		He was, you know, he's a professor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's an academic.
		He's somebody who has a lot of theory about stuff.
		And when, you know, you look at that constellation of people, that's the person that I find most interesting.
		That's the person who's going to have more writings that have implications for maybe the way that the organization ended up growing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, of course.
		I mean, the businessmen are obviously outsourcing their thoughts to other people, too.
		They don't have time to think of things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure they have some ideas, some thoughts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They hurt the poor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a thought.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a thought.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's an idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We need someone to make this sound better.
		Yeah, exactly.
		So I'm excited about that.
		I've got his Against the Grain here in front of me.
		This is the first.
		The writings of Professor Ravilo Pendleton Oliver.
		And there's a number of chapters in here that I think speak for themselves?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They spell trouble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a nice editorial here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A white Christian racist defends his faith.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's refreshingly straightforward.
		I would accept that.
		Especially if it was a white racist defends his racism by just being like, I really want to.
		The end.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's one chapter in the larger section, race and history distortion.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's a subchapter, and Frank's diary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here once that one's real quick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this is the direction that some things are taking here with the library.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've been a little bit slow in posting pictures.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I wanted to give a little update about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there'll be some pictures.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know how we've seen so many failed stand-up comedians become right-wing talking idiots, you know?
		What's great about Ravilo is that he was originally the great Ravilo.
		And because of his failed magic career, well, here we are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if it is pronounced Ravilo.
		It is in my brain forever.
		I've only seen it written, I suppose.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we never hear his name spoken aloud.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that is his given name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that is, like, but it is also a palindrome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ravilo P. Oliver is a palindrome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fucking annoying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a piece of shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If that's the case, you've got to blame his parents.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think he deserves some response.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could change your name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that'll be another part of my research, figuring out exactly if this is his name and why.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's annoying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		My bright spot is I finally got turned on, or I finally listened to the Big Thief album from last year.
		Strong, New Warm Mountain, or whatever it's called.
		It's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Big Thief featuring Chief Keith.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
		No, nope, no, Nope.
		Not that one.
		No, no, no, no.
		It's surprisingly good.
		Yeah, I've been anti-Big Thief for a long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've been an anti-Big Thief because to me, for a long time, they've sounded like if Courtney Barnett headed Gang Gang Dance or something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know that means nothing to some people, but here's what's great about I hear the name Big Thief, and I don't know where to slot this.
		I don't know.
		I don't know genre.
		And then you name other people, and I don't know what they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like, okay, he's going to say what it's a combination of, I'm going to be able to figure this out.
		Is this rock?
		Is this rap?
		Is this poke?
		What is this?
		But then you name people, and I'm like, I don't know them either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this.
		It's a little bit of everything.
		That's the problem.
		You know, there's a little bit of everything in there, and it's not always focused enough to be good at the thing that they're doing.
		This album is good at the thing that they're doing.
		It's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is there any, what's that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's that genre that I loathe?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Trap.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
		It's like beachy.
		It's very beachy.
		Beachy.
		Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Soft rock?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a fan of soft rock either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Reggae.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't like reggae.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I like some reggae, but most of it is too chill for me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've had this disconversation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I find it too relaxed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How dare you?
		How dare you?
		This is making me worry about the future.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't appreciate that they are either relaxed and chill or they're putting that image on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If they're deceiving you, it's actually terrifying, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The implications of it are terrifying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bossa Nova.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was thinking of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		All right.
		Is there a Bossa Nova?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you talking?
unidentified		I mean, I suppose, yeah, like Antonio Carlos Chopim kind of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There is no Bossa Nova in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you call Big Thief, ask him to toss a little Bossa Nova.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not a bad idea.
		I don't think you're wrong.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying that album.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing today?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're doing an episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, so on our last episode, we talked about the end-of-the-year broadcast on December 31st.
		And we had to tease from Alex that he was going to reveal his predictions for the coming year.
		And then he decided, I can't do that.
		So what I'm going to do is I'm going to lock myself in my office for six to seven hours, tell my wife I'm not coming home.
		I'm going to take care of this, and it's got to be dark in that office.
		And then he's like, fuck it.
		You know what?
		I'll do you one better.
		I'm going to the woods for a couple days.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I recall him escalating to, I'm going to the woods for a couple of days.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he's got to get in the zone with God, and God's got to tell him stuff, and that can only happen in a creek.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he needs to cry and walk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a cry walker.
unidentified		He is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So we tuned in as we were recording our last episode on Alex's Sunday show.
		And it turns out he was there.
		He was in studio.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he did not go to the woods.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did they turn all the lights off so he could talk in the dark?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Oh.
		But he barely talked.
		He wasn't talking all that much.
		It was an interview with Francis Boyle, Dr. Francis Boyle, the guy who is a bioweapon specialist of some sort.
		And he has apparently some thoughts about Ukraine.
unidentified		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was a pointless interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We did not get predictions about the year.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was the whole first hour.
		And then the second hour was just reruns.
		Alex left.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he is in the woods.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		I tuned in on Monday.
		And what do I find?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Infowars.com.
unidentified		Live on air in the year 2023.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's in the woods.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just suck on that, Globalist.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		Why don't you suck?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's that, Deep Saint?
		Yeah.
		Wait, is the Deep Saint sucking on the new year?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, just the fact that they're still on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but I mean.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		InfoWars is still on air 2023.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you got a problem with that, we got Two Woods.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is an arbitrary demarcation of time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I refuse to acknowledge that as an existence.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The new DeGeneration X. Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The New Age Outlaw.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dare they.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Harrison Smith and Owen Smith.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tag Team Chill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, refuse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've got.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What would Harrison Smith's final move be?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The snooze.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He puts you to sleep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just starts talking to you for a long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a sleeper hold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a sleeper hold?
		Yeah, yeah.
		I wouldn't buy him putting anybody to sleep in that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's thematically fitting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Alex, I guess, would be Triple H or maybe Sean Michaels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think he's more Hulk Hogan now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's like the New World Order stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I forgot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to cast dejection.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My attitude era is not as complete as yours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cousin Buckley is ravishing Rick Rude.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		Well, no, obviously.
		That one's obvious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Savannah Hernandez is China because she's the only female that I think is still around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Millie Weaver's gone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Caitlin Bennett, I don't think, is still around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know if she's still around in period.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I know that Svan Hernett has actually works, like, she worked for the Blaze, but she still has a channel on banned.video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nick Fuentes could be ravishing Rick Roode because he had a mustache.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Nick had a mustache.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Enough of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Alex is in the woods, it appears.
		Sure.
		On Monday or something.
		He's just not there.
		So that left me in a little bit of a bind because I was obviously wanting to get to these predictions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm very excited about that.
		I want to know what's coming.
		Alex has a responsibility to tell us because he's a psychic and I'm not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boy, he really is a psychic, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So anyway, I felt like I wanted to tell the world that we don't have the predictions.
		But that's not an episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		End of episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not a full episode.
		And so I thought, well, we can go back to 2003.
		We can make some progress through 2003.
		Sure.
		And it dawned on me that actually we are right at the point where Saddam gets found.
		He got found on December 13th, 2003.
		And our next episode, as we're progressing through, would be December 12th.
		Oh, so here we are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We get to figure out what happened when Alex heard the news that Saddam Hussein was found.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, if I remember my 2003 lore correctly, it was Czecholo Slovakia who did it, correct?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, they trained the dogs that found Saddam.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm better now.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So first, Gen Jam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Happy.
		It's cool whenever Dan gets to it.
		Birthday, Eric from Kate, our puppies, Meadow Bandit, and Horseradish, the pod dog.
		Thank you so much.
		You're an Iow Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday.
		Right on time this time.
		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, thanks to Alex Jones for my new gender gremlin wraith.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next, Luke.
		I am your father.
		Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
		I mean, I don't know why nobody's tried that one before.
		I feel like that was, that's been there for, we're on episode 762 or whatever, right?
		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, did European studies really prepare us for this, Emmer?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, you're an Iow Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Squatch Curious has joined the party.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we got a technocrat in the mix.
		And this person I have to give an apology to because they wanted me to play an out-of-context drop of myself, but I don't know where that is in the emails.
		And they sent this message a couple months ago.
		I can't find it.
		I have no idea.
		But if they resend that email, maybe I'll play it in the future or something.
		But in lieu of that, they asked for this shout out.
		So thank you very much.
		Danielle had a great idea for a shout-out, but Dan and Jordan didn't listen.
		And now you're all stuck with this stupid shout-out name.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
		Daddy Shark.
		Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified		He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hate black people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'll play that clip if we get to get to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If I understand correctly, was that referring to if you decided not to play the clip?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Then they would be like, well, this one would be good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's the name if you don't want to do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's, I mean, a subtle dig at you in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but it also could be, you know, it could be if this is too much of a hassle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, sorry about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we got this episode to do, and I want to say a little tease, and that is that if you stick around till the end of the episode, we will have a new song by DJ Danarchy that we forgot to play earlier.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's one thing to just like, yeah, we kind of forget things, you know, but when it's like a couple in a row, it doesn't feel great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so there is, and, you know, you and I both have strenuously avoided this, but there are reasons people have other people work on things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of other shows have staffs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are people designated to remember things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never going to happen with us, but I'm looking over at the other person who works on this show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could maybe get a planner or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably a good idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, there will be a new song, The Highway Men Mix by DJ Danarchy at the end of the episode.
		But here we go.
		We're going to start.
		And we start on the 12th.
		And actually, we don't have any clips from the 12th.
		It is a boring show.
		Nothing happens.
		I couldn't find anything to grab onto.
		Alex is killing time.
		Sure.
		It is not even interesting.
		But there's a commercial that I heard on that episode that I thought was worth bringing to everyone's attention.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Oh, my.
		I can't believe I got these drugs prescribed for free and shipped overnight to my door without seeing a doctor.
		Yes, it's true.
		For a limited time, our doctors are prescribing drugs for free.
		Our doctors are prescribing most popular diet pills, muscle relaxers, sleeping pills, and Viagra.
		You're not right.
		Free prescriptions over the phone for painkillers, migraine relief, anti-anxiety, allergy relief, and heartburn relief.
		The list goes on and on.
		Free prescriptions for hair loss, birth control, antidepressants, acne creation, and herpes medication.
		Did I mention free diet pills and Viagra prescriptions?
		This is a limited time offer.
		Our doctors will not be prescribing drugs over the phone for free and shipping them overnight to your door for much longer.
		If you don't call 1-800-615-7094 right now, you may miss out forever.
		To participate in this limited time offer and have your drugs prescribed over the phone for free, you need to call 1-800-615-7094 now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Alex was advertising for a drug shopping kind of thing.
		And like, look, it's one thing.
		I don't know, actually, I'm not going to try and couch this in anything.
		He brings up like muscle relaxants, painkillers.
		Like, these are some dangerous things to be taking outside the supervision of like a doctor's care.
		They list Soma as one of the things that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, no, when you're on a commercial, the one thing I'm listening for is if you're reinforcing once more, just so you know, we have speed and dick pills, I think we know what people are asking for, okay?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's like, hey, we're only going to be doing this for a while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Get your drugs now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		the wild west this is a come on down to get dr jinn's tonic It's going to solve all your problems today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is a mess, but it's also, there's an element of it that is just deeply unethical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, this is, this can't be legal, right?
		I don't know.
		Was it legal in 2003?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, I don't know enough about the law, and I assume that it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I assume somewhere it's legal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It must be, there's some sort of a loophole or something that, you know, I'm not saying that there's Alex should be arrested or these people should be arrested, but he should feel terrible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like advertising for this, I mean, I think that it's even dicey to advertise like gambling stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a little bit shady.
		Yeah.
		I think even, I mean, maybe I'm more anti-advertising than a lot of folks, but I understand people taking ads for something that could potentially be dangerous.
		Sure.
		But like this is, hey, do you want free access to medications that could potentially completely destroy your life?
		And I'm Alex Jones, somebody who hates pharmaceuticals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that every shooter is somebody who's on brain control meds.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Don't take psychiatric drugs.
		Take speed and dick pills, preferably together and with alcohol.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But from my impression of that call, you could get psychiatric meds too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can get anything you want from that place, which, again, is a problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, hindsight's 2020.
		But if I was listening to that, sorry.
		I don't appreciate eye jokes because I'm blind.
		It is so clear, like, oh, yeah, the opioid crisis is 100% coming.
		100% coming.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that if you're Alex Jones, there's like, there should be a point at which, like, I understand that this ad is probably run through Midas Resources or Genesis.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, this is Ted Anderson's fault.
		Yeah.
		But if I were Alex, I would put some sort of standards in place where I'm like, no, you don't do this.
		You're going to get, you're going to run the risk of getting our audience addicted to pills that will destroy their lives.
		Well, they maybe don't need them or.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Dan, that would only make sense if they were operating under similar rules as like a drug dealer of some sort.
		You know, like they would do something like say, oh, the first taste is free.
		And then later on, whenever you came back to them because you're addicted to it, you wouldn't get it for free.
		But clearly, that's, wait a second, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not going to be shipping them for free for long.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sucks.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the 12th is a Friday.
		So the weekend comes and goes.
		And Saddam got captured over the weekend.
		And so on the 15th, Monday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They always do a news dump on the weekend, because you don't want to, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, and you.
		I was trying to find a way to connect this to like, you always get fired on a Friday.
		Right, right, right, right.
		But Alex comes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You always get fired at on a Friday.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex comes in on Monday.
		Yeah.
		And here's where he's at.
		I mean, at least he doesn't beat around the bush.
		He just gets to the news.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hello, my friends.
		Welcome to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.
		I'm chomping at the bit to comment on the supposed capture of Saddam Hussein.
		I was in Houston, Texas, Sunday morning after a successful day.
		Yeah, that's the way you do it.
		John Carpenter's, they live at the local movie theater there.
		Great seeing everybody.
		And I got up that morning, turned on the television, something I rarely do these days.
		And they were announcing that they had captured the rat.
		They had the ace in the hole.
		They had captured Saddam Hussein the day before, and they were announcing it to us.
		The governor of the American governor of the territory of the holding was saying that we have done it.
		And some Iraqi journalists, about 10 of them, jumped up and started hooting and hollering and praising this development.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What a monumentous weekend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, first of all, you had Saddam getting captured.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Alex was at the Alamo Draft House.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he did his movie screening.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have to say that I think Alex is a little bit annoyed that Saddam got captured because it kind of makes it so he can't just talk about the show and how much of a success it was.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm assuming that Alex would be annoyed if he had gone down on the plane with the Big Bopper and wasn't given head billing, you know, like that kind of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex would be very frustrated if he lost any clout to anyone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, you're saying that he would be upset if he was on the plane with the Big Bopper as opposed to with Buddy Holly?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm backwards.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm backwards.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the only reason I bring it up is because it runs counter to the argument that you're talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, absolutely.
		The complete opposite.
		It's been a long day.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mistakes were made.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's tough.
		It's tough out there.
		It's raining in Chicago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		I got a bum knee.
		It's all there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the rain exacerbates that knee.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		As we know from Farside Tatus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's really true, though.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It hurts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we don't really know what Alex's vibe is yet here.
		You know, he's kind of saying the supposed capture, but there's not really a sense that he's like, this is fake or anything.
		And that continues.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's been so many false reports of captures of other people.
		I thought we'd go over this today.
		I don't know what to believe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to open the phones up early in the show.
		And yes, he'll take dozens and dozens and dozens of calls today.
		Wide open phones on the show.
		What do you think's happening?
		Your chance to respond.
		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't know.
		It's kind of refreshing to hear Alex just say that he has no idea what the reality of a given situation is.
		You'd never hear him show that kind of weakness these days.
		But in the past, Alex's brand was being a smart truth teller.
		Not that he's a prophet ordained by God and given a divine revelation and a guy who can also see the future.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His image can sustain a little bit of uncertainty in 2003, which is just kind of like a normal person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, not knowing things is actually one of the most one of the strongest things that a truth teller does is not know things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah.
		It's a wise man admits when he doesn't know things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One who speaks does not know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Jefferson.
		No.
		Lautza.
		Okay.
unidentified		Close.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was close.
		So, that being said, all that being said, Alex is not being above board here.
		On the surface, he's saying that he doesn't know what to think, but he's very clearly trying to imply to the audience that they should think that the capture of Saddam was fake.
		All the external context that he adds to the coverage serves only to justify coming to the conclusion that it was fake.
		Alex points out that other captures have been faked before, which is supposed to make the listener feel like deciding Saddam's capture was faked is a more rational act than you would normally think.
		You may notice that Alex is not doing this kind of insinuation in the other direction, providing defenses for the listener who may be inclined to think that the capture was legit.
		That's because there is a conclusion Alex is driving at, even if he's trying to hide behind pretending that he's clueless and I don't know what to think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I mean, it's obviously more likely for him to lean towards it was fake.
		I mean, that's his bailiwick, you know, on the day-to-day.
		I'm a little confused as to why he's not in this one.
		You know, in this particular situation, I feel like with the knowledge of Saddam's doubles all over the place, you know, everybody knew that was going around.
		True.
		You have a fairly good shot, at least for a few days, of being like, I don't think it was him.
		They have to prove it.
		I think they're faking it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a couple thoughts about that.
		We'll get into that a little bit as things go along.
		But also, interestingly, there is not really any inclination towards the doubles and stuff.
		Even though he does bring up that there were doubles, he's pretty insistent that this is actually Saddam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he was saying that some other time in the not-too-distant past, some other picture of Saddam was a double.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a lot of ideas about whether or not Saddam's neck is thick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		A very pressing question for him.
		I do believe he measures people's thicknesses by thickness of neck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's critical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a stat.
		It's a saying in his house.
		Oh, that man has a real thick neck.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex continues to pretend that there's like, I don't know what's going on here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I know this, though.
		That Saddam they showed during the war with the glasses was not Saddam.
		The Israelis and Iranians and others looked at it and said, that's not Saddam.
		I could look at it and tell you it wasn't Saddam, though it was a better body double than the fat guy that they claim was bin Laden two years ago.
		Remember that video, the fat guy in the dark room that looked nothing like bin Laden, had a nose twice the size of bin Laden's?
		We know that was fake.
		We know that the Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops in newspapers with false signatures.
		We know they've lied to us about mass graves and mobile weapons trucks and uranium from Niger.
		We know that they've planted false news stories of impending terror to, quote, create hysteria.
		We know the Jessica Lynch story was a quote fable.
		So I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What Alex is doing here is teaching his audience how to argue a point while knowing nothing about the actual point you're arguing.
		Leaving aside the dubious nature of some of the points Alex just listed off, even if all of that was totally true and accurate, none of it would prove that Saddam's capture wasn't real.
		At best, the argument he's making could conclude that the globalists are capable of faking something, but that doesn't mean that they did.
		The goal of this style of argumentation is to overwhelm the person you're arguing with.
		It's a barrage of points that don't prove anything, but it's literally impossible for someone to respond to what Alex is saying in any satisfactory way.
		You see this kind of behavior a ton in social media comments.
		So it's kind of makes sense that Alex would have gravitated so strongly to that swamp.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's how I would respond to it, okay?
		I would ignore most of it.
		I would say, of all things, if I recall correctly, Osama had a bit of a honker.
		I wouldn't choose the size of his nose to measure.
		He had a large nose.
		There's nothing wrong with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or give him a, that's not a nose, that's a bad nose.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Look at the man, you know?
		Like, come on.
		If you guys gaining weight, of course he gained weight.
		He used to be flying around and shit, and now he's just sitting in a hole with his 30 wives or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that you're not going to win going down that road.
		Your first instinct was better, which is just to ignore all this stuff and stay on the point that you're supposed to be talking about.
		Which is the Saddam.
		What do you know about it?
		And he's not saying anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		But that's why I feel like we need to get to the bottom of this Osama thing.
		Because he's not really saying anything about that.
		But I want to know what he thinks about when he sees Osama's nose.
		You know, like, what is the size that is large or small in that picture?
		Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think, I mean, I see maybe how you would want to have a good time arguing with Alex here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think it's a fruitful road.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the second goal of this kind of thing, this kind of argumentation, is to make an argument without having to own the fact that you made that argument.
		Alex is arguing that Saddam's capture was faked, but he has every ability to pretend that he's not.
		If you were to say that he's making that argument, he'd be able to weasel his way out of that by this point.
		I didn't say that.
		Meanwhile, Alex has been saying that Saddam fled to Belarus with his kids and a bunch of gold ever since he was ousted from power.
		So if you're a person familiar with the content and narratives that are active on Infowars at this point, you would know that what Alex is saying is not, I don't know.
		He's saying basically that he wants to call it fake, but he doesn't have the right talking point to anchor that claim yet.
		So he's going to play dumb.
		He'll take a bunch of calls and hopefully one of them will make a point that he can use to strengthen his conspiracy.
		But make no mistake, Alex isn't looking for information that'll help him arrive at the conclusion that the capture was real.
		If that was the case, then it would call into question so many of his other narratives about the Iraq war and that pieces would start to fall.
		It still needs to be fake in order for all these other things to be maintained.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's one of the things that is applicable in so many different aspects of life is that type of thing.
		When somebody says that type of thing to you, you know, the, I am saying this, but I'm afraid to take responsibility for it.
		There is no point in like trying to convince them of something.
		They have no interest in being convinced.
		They're trying to get through this with what they have and intact, you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and there's a conclusion or an ending point that they're angling towards and that they're going to keep moving towards regardless.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to talk them back from the ledge.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, and so much of this other stuff, this pretending to not really know and all this, is a performance that kind of makes it seem more like Alex is doing an investigative process before he arrives at his conclusion that one way or another something was fake here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
		I don't know who did this, but it has the fingerprints of every Republican I've ever seen.
		So I'm just saying that they might be, but you know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex has a conspiracy here.
		Shocking.
		And it's kind of a decent way for him to go in order to maintain, like I said, a lot of those other trappings that he has that would intersect with Saddam being.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Strategic flexibility, one might say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		But like, you know, I'm thinking of it more like Jenga.
		Like, it's this pulling this piece out does not make everything topple.
		Whereas if you were to say, like, oh, that, you know, everything that they're saying about this capture is totally accurate, then the whole, the whole tower falls.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The lodestone.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		This is what the Israeli intelligence has to say, which doesn't even go along with Bush.
		Interesting.
		Indications are Saddam was being held prisoner.
		That's from the DebCa file, and that's exactly what I thought.
		I was driving back from Houston listening to talk radio and the propaganda and thinking about it.
		I sat there for an hour eating breakfast in my hotel room, listening to what they were saying, what they were up to, what they were doing.
		And I came away with that guy had been a prisoner and he was drugged.
		I mean, you know, when somebody's on drugs, he was on some type of depressant.
		That was clear.
		Looked like somebody popped up on psychotropics as well or lithium.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Alex has decided that the new way to go with it is he was a prisoner.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was held captive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You do not know when a person is on drugs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you're Alex, you do, because he has discernment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just feel like that's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, sometimes you know when a person's on drugs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But you do not know when a person is on drugs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, you do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As a blanket statement.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can suspect and maybe have cause to be a little bit suspicious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to throw this out there.
		Seeing somebody on TV after they have been in a hole for several days.
		Yeah.
		I don't know if you can tell if they're on drugs or one way or the other.
		Nope.
		I think that might be a bit of a biased circumstance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, I mean, I have not seen a study on this, but being in a hole for a couple days might get you high as hell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think it'd be more effective than drugs at driving you insane, at least.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But you see, this is a good way for all of the things that Alex has said already to sort of be recontextualized.
		Right.
		So when Saddam was ousted from power, he flew out to Belarus.
		He was hanging out there.
		You know, what have you.
		This can go along with that.
		It's like that was, we were wrong about that.
		The intel was there, but they got double-crossed.
		So they kidnapped Saddam and put him in the hole.
		And they were holding him in order to be turned over in order to give the globalists a big boost of some sort.
		They put him on ice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm going to say, even for Saddam, they would not have put him in what amounted to a coffin, right?
		As far as a prison goes, they would at least put him in a room.
		Well, yeah, but you hide in a coffin because you're trying not to be found.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you don't want him to be found until it's time for the reveal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fine, fine.
		We're going to hold back until the time is ripe to reveal that we have been keeping Saddam in a coffin.
		All right.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's a good movie.
		Alex, he was coming back from Houston, and he was listening to these talk radio stations discuss the Saddam discovery.
		Sure.
		And he decided, I got to get in the mix here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I showed Road to Tyranny and another film at a movie theater in Houston.
		Big success.
		Great seeing everybody.
		And so I get up Sunday morning and I'm eating breakfast in the hotel room and I turn on the news at like 9 o'clock, 8 o'clock in the morning, and there's Saddam captured.
		And so I watch that for a few hours, leave, and I'm driving back to Austin three and a half hours, listening to Houston Talk Radio, Austin Talk Radio, and San Antonio Talk Radio, and briefly Dallas.
		I listened to three local shows and part of a syndicated show.
		I called into three local shows on big, you know, 50,000 watt AMs.
		I call into them and I say, well, I just want to point out that Bush cut Taiwan loose and said they could be on their own violating our treaty with them.
		China's a much greater threat, more abuse than Saddam ever thought of.
		Why are we talking about Saddam as, quote, the next Hitler being captured?
		But not talking about how our government funded and created him.
		And they'd say, thanks for your opinion and hang up on me.
		So I'd call back and I'd go, this is Kevin.
unidentified		I think they ought to hang that piece of filth.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I think we ought to arrest anybody that disagrees with Bush.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex, this gets you right on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why are you calling?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This gets you right on.
		And they would put me on the air and I'd suddenly switch back to my regular, you know, Alex Jones.
		And I'd say, I'd shift out of character.
		Kevin?
		You know, we put Saddam in power and told him to invade Kuwait and told him to attack Iran.
		And, you know, he is a thug, but compared to all these other people, he's nothing.
		And the people documents say that they wanted to have terrorist excuse to get the oil, that Saddam wasn't a threat.
		Dick Cheney wrote that.
		And the host would hang up on me and go, how dare you say you were for the president or for this?
		And then come on and do that.
		You lied.
		But by them doing that, they showed they were censoring the calls.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've heard Alex yell at some people about lying about their calls, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does seem like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess he's condemning himself here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't believe that this happened necessarily.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doubtful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's fun.
		It's a fun story.
		But if it did happen, which, again, I don't think this happened.
		No.
		But if it did, I think a more likely explanation for all of the things that Alex is describing is that the people who are producing a radio show had enough callers who maybe had the perspective that Alex in his own persona had.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or they got the sense, this isn't going to be a good call.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This person's going to be a pain in the ass to talk to.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to talk to this person.
		Possible.
		Whereas his sort of yokel character that is like, I think that everybody should be hanged.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't have audio.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's like, okay, maybe this is somebody who we don't have this voice calling in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is some entertaining.
		Yeah, this will give us a new fresh voice.
		Come on, people.
		You got to stay listening.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There might be a higher demand for that than whatever Alex is bringing to the table.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're trying to do a show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So maybe that's what maybe that's a part of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let me pitch you on this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This didn't happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		Let me pitch you on this.
		Okay.
		So Alex calls in, and they're like, you're Alex Jones.
		Of course, we can't put you on air.
		And then Alex calls in doing his Kevin character.
		And then they go, Hold on.
		I'm going to have to put you on hold.
unidentified		Holy shit, Alex Jones is trying to do a fucking character.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you shitting me?
unidentified		We got to put this guy.
unidentified		We got to put him on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he does the character, it's going to be fucking great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is an angle of that that would be fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But again, did not happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that is the way that I would believe it happened had it happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex gets a little bit more into his Saddam kidnapping theory.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like they were keeping him on ice to then bring him out.
		He looked drugged.
		He looked like he'd been beat up.
		He had swelling all over his face, which the Israeli is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All consistent with being in a coffin for a lot.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Like he's been beaten a lot the last few months.
		Because when you've really been savagely beaten, all the bruising doesn't go away around the eyes.
		There's still a general puffiness erase.
		You can see some new scars on his face that weren't there.
		And he looked like he was hopped up.
		And in fact, everybody was saying that.
		Man, he looks like he's drugged.
		So you look at that.
		You know, I found out from a high-level Bush administration official that I cannot name.
		A lot of them live here in Austin.
		That on Air Force One, Bush Sr. bragged that they've got Bin Laden dead from kidney failure, part of an agreement with his family.
		And plan, I've been saying this for two years, planned to roll him out right about a month before the election.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's a Bush administration person.
		I think that's Steve.
		I think that's Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I do know that their first interview, and I've not been able to find this as audio or video, but I have read the transcript of Steve's first interview, and it appears that they hadn't spoken before.
		And that is in 2002.
		Wow.
		So they are in each other's lives, but maybe not super close.
		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're just getting an email every now and again from Steve saying absolutely insane things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
		But the kidney failure, the Marfan syndrome thing is a Steve Hallmark.
		And so there's a part of me that thinks, like, ah, that's what Alex is trying to obscure with the Trump or Bush administration figure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It just occurred to me that people used to text conspiracy theories to each other on T9.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you can you imagine flipping your razor phone open and typing out like a long series of like, here's what the Bush family is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I would be furious if I got charged by the text back into that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Oh, my God.
		That's brutal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eating up my plan here, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		1-1-4-4-4-5-6-6-6.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's no good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those are the days.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You kids don't know what it was like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what it was like back in the day.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Trying to pill people on a flip phone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You all have it so good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's so funny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why they would use newsletters and stuff.
unidentified		Yeah, far more effective and convenient.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex is really trying to leave the perception that I don't know what's going on here.
		Could be anything.
		Sure.
		But he's very clearly trying to argue that it was fake.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the guy's been beat like a ball-headed stepchild.
		The guy was hopped up on something.
		They probably dropped some knockout gas in there five hours before without a seven, eight-hour timing.
		They went in there, hauled him out, took him to the Baghdad airport, stuck him up there in front of everybody.
		And then there's the question of body doubles because they admit he had 10 body doubles.
		And I'll tell you, he looks like the real Saddam.
		That guy they put up there with the glasses on TV, different bone structure, different nose, different lips, little chicken neck.
		Saddam had a big old fat neck.
		That was not Saddam.
		Conclusive evidence.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Dan could have lost weight from being in a coffin.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He tested his teeth.
		It's him.
		How did he know that just a few hours after they announced it?
		They didn't.
		There's no proof of that.
		So Dan Rather's trying to allay your concerns.
		After all these staged arrests, after all this stage business, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is making a ton of arguments for why this is a fake capture, and he's attacking people like Dan Rather in the mainstream media for reporting that it was Saddam who was captured.
		It could not be more clear what Alex's position is, but he's still doing this song and dance about not knowing what he thinks.
		And I think a part of that is that this position helps persuade listeners.
		If he comes out guns blazing, yelling about how this is fake, he might be able to convince some or even most of the audience.
		But if he does it this way, where he slow plays his argument and pretends to be neutral, Alex is able to walk the listeners to the conclusion while making it feel like they were the ones who came up with it.
		This is a pretty solid manipulation tactic, but it also requires a little subtlety.
		And I don't think Alex could pull this kind of thing off nowadays.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that is the real vibe that I get from the way that he's deploying his rhetoric.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I also have the sense that pre-I am a prophet that knows everything and I'm always right about everything 100% of the time.
		Maybe he wants to go there right away, but he also has to talk himself into it a little bit.
		He has to give himself a pep talk on why he should give a full throat to this.
		You know, it's very shortly after that.
		I doubt he's had too much time to think about it, let alone come up with a solid plan for Minerva.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He found out about it Sunday morning and this is Monday.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He had plenty of time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		Sunday morning and this is Monday.
		So he planned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying if you were somebody who used your time wisely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's where we're falling apart, you and I. I'm saying all things being equal for a human, it's enough time to come up with an argument.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are accounting for Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not like he found out right before he got on air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Then, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that what you're saying, though, about him trying to talk himself into it is kind of, I think there's some merit to that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's the impetus of going to the callers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That I feel.
		Like, it's the...
		I need to find where my handhold is here.
		I need to figure out what narrative I'm going to be able to hinge this on.
		I think there's that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that's part of why he couldn't do it today is because today his character is all-seeing profit.
		He doesn't need to talk himself into anything.
		He's seen it from God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a weakness to uncertainty in the present, whereas in the past, it doesn't hurt his position and his branding to have that sort of uncertainty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When you start a cult, you can doubt, but when you get to a certain point, you got to be all-knowing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just how it goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you get some calls, and they're mostly dumb and not really all that interesting.
		He does not necessarily get any sort of thing to hang his hat on.
		It's all like the tone stays fairly consistent throughout, which is this is fake, but also I'm hedging a little bit.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But some of the calls are kind of interesting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hi, okay.
		Go ahead.
		Talk to Manuel and Pennsylvania.
		Your chance to respond with what you think's going on.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Alex, this one looks kind of floppy.
		Because when they threw him in there, you can see a specific direct indication of manipulation and insertion of theatrics.
		When they say that he had Mars bars in there, the red flag of the God of War.
		What's that direct message there?
		You see their intent before the theatrics, how they placed it.
		And the guy's not going to be able to do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like, and for those that doubt it, it sounds crazy.
		It's like leaving the Skull and Bones card at the sniper scenes.
		It's like that?
		On the one-year anniversary of 9-11, the New York lottery, 9-11, the Chicago Mercantile, 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So if Alex is responding to the caller this way, then he's reinforcing the argument that the Mars bars being in the hole were a part of a calling card that the globalists were using, that only the elect could see the messaging of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, those things have happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if you're comparing them to things that are concrete, then that would suggest that so is this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would have to be.
		Yeah.
		So that kind of conversation is always fairly revealing of Alex's actual, like what he wants the message the audience takes away from his show to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I just can't get enough of those solid foundational arguments of, aha, see, they said this thing 9-1-1, and this person said this thing, 9-1-1, clearly.
		I'm done.
		I've rested my case.
		Do you not understand?
		They both said 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And even that's not really true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nicholas Cage came up with that argument, I believe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex takes another call.
		And this person has something to ask about.
		And actually, I applaud.
		I applaud Alex for this.
		This is great.
unidentified		So I wanted to ask you, did you ever hear of Nessera before?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not real.
unidentified		It isn't?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a government propaganda piece that there's a secret bill, that America's okay, and there's patriots and Washington has already got rid of the Federal Reserve.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It is total propaganda to make people think everything's okay as they set up martial law publicly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I just heard something about it.
unidentified		I looked at their website, but I don't know what to draw on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you know about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nessera and Jessera, those are the two things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those are really popular in QAnon communities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those are like proto-Q shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the National Economic Security and Recovery Act is what that stands for.
		And then the Jessera is just the global.
		But yeah, it's like this idea that all debts are going to be forgiven.
		It's great for Alex to be like, nah, it's bullshit.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very rare that there's something that is so beyond the pale that even Alex isn't even, he's not entertaining it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's just, it is just so fucking weird to see him just be like, nope, bullshit.
		I mean, even he even tried a little bit with Q to be like, oh, that's bull.
		But even then, he hedged it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He wasn't trying to co-opt it.
		Well, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And then even when he couldn't, though, he still didn't just go on and say, like, it's all bullshit.
		He was like, oh, they're right about some things.
		He had to do a little bit of a middle ground there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think that you can, if you think about it for a little while, I think you can come up with a pretty decent sense of why this has to be bullshit.
		And that is that it undermines his own conspiracy.
		Like, if this does exist, then there is no reason to worry about the things Alex wants you to worry about.
		And that is completely anathema to his space.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is still a similar kind of way of doing things.
		Like, keep your followers or whatever in stasis.
		But in this situation, it's in a stasis of like, we're on the cusp of everything being fine.
		Don't do anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nothing you do can really affect the coming of this Nessera.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex wants you to be like, the only thing you can do to stop Nessera is give me money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that's a different type of edge.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have to fight it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's nothing to fight here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just, it's waiting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are terrorists edging in opposition to each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we have one more clip here.
		And I mean, I think that Alex's take on this is basically just what we've seen.
		It's obvious that he thinks it's fake.
		Of course.
		But the way he's talking about it has these layers of dynamics.
		And I think that maybe this will develop more over the coming days back in 2003.
		And we'll see about that.
		But for now, Alex has to be wrong about this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But remember, the Bath Party is who's been put back into power.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They've been very quiet about that, but the majority of those in power are high-level Bathist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We need to go back and see what it was that we said at the very beginning because I wasn't sure, but I think I jokingly said, I bet he's just going to keep on saying it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think I did say that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think I probably disagreed with you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're like, yeah, there's going to be a way to shift things around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But nope, just gonna get- Yeah, fuck it!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In December 2003, this is still his position that the bath party is being installed in all the powerful positions in Iraq.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very disconnected.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Astonishing.
		Yeah.
		13-year-old me would have been like, come on, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it goes to show how little the audience sort of cares.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it has to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or whatever.
		That should be a glaring thing.
		This is a months-long thing he's been wrong about over and over and over and over and over again consistently.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		reality does not penetrate i mean on the other hand it's not like they are necessarily i mean nobody in the states at that time was very well versed in like here's how you tell apart the bath party And, you know, it's very easy for them to be like, yeah, but that is the bath party.
		What are you going to say?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pre invasion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what is a better cover for putting the bath party in all these positions than purging the body?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Than removing the bath party.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't get more brilliant to scheme than to remove the bath party in order to install the bath party.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, Alex is right 99% of the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And has been since the beginning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Man.
		So we come to the end of this, and we still don't have the predictions for the coming year, 2023, but I'm on the beat.
		As soon as we know, we will bring you those predictions so you can live your life accordingly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've got to have those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, we won't know in which month Chicago will be nuked this year.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We don't know if it's going to be a summer of rage, a fall of rage.
		It could be a spring of rage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It could be a winter of discontent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All things are possible in this situation.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we'll keep you posted on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until we come back shortly, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's at KnowledgeUnderscore Fights.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we will be back.
		But until then, I'm Leo.
		I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZX Clark.
		I'm thrilled to play this great new DJ Dan Archie song for y'all to enjoy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can't do the show.
		There's too many people in here.
		Go to rebroadcast.
		Horses are psychic and that's been proven.
		Fuck the horse you rode in on.
		Probably 150 women or more.
		That's conservative.
		Not that I've ever stomped anybody's guts out.
unidentified		Actually, I have a couple times.
		It's not too nice.
		I'm still alive.
		How many people have you visited the coach?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		E-D-D-D.
unidentified		I was born upon the table.
unidentified		He rented a boat when we left off Lake Austin.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, God, what is it I'm supposed to do?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it was like, go after Glenn Beck.
unidentified		Across the river deep and wide.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		God, those communists are amazing.
unidentified		We're stealing water deep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats and their bills destroy half our dams.
unidentified		A place called Holder Old Road.
		About 97-98% accurate.
		I slept and fell into the welcome people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We rarely have technical difficulties.
		They buried me in that grave to the door, people come out of dark alleyways with girls in wheelchairs ramming them into us.
		We're in danger.
		We need your prayers.
unidentified		I could actually shift psychic awareness.
		Dogs are psychic buffers, way more psychic than we are.
		I'll fly a song.
		I carry universe divides.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fallen technology.
unidentified		And when I reach the other side, I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can.
		I'm not ready to start the show.
		Perhaps I may become a highwayman.
		I'm Neo, I'm Leo.
		I'm the prophet of matrixes, man.
		What can he do?
		I'll be back in the rest of the day.
		The cult of Celine.
		It's a satanic cult.
		What?
		It's a cat?
		No.
		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas ▲ ● ▼		I'm my first time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
		I love your work.

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