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#763: December 15, 2003

Today, Dan and Jordan give an update about Alex's forthcoming predictions about 2023. There aren't any, so they go back to the past to experience Alex's immediate reaction to the news that Saddam Hussein had been found in Iraq.  

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
08:26
d
dan friesen
28:27
j
jordan holmes
15:07
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
jordan holmes
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you, buddy.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, I feel like maybe talk a little bit about the goings-on at the library that's being built.
jordan holmes
Still being burnt down?
Library of Alexandria, I assume, is the one you're talking about.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
A modern day weird anti-communism library that will be burned down eventually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
No, I've gotten a number of issues of the American Opinion and what have you, the John Birch Society.
That collection is coming together.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And what have you.
And I started to think about, I want to start with a little bit of specialization.
Because, you know, otherwise we're just going to be randomly trying to find things and that makes the hunt a little bit more challenging when you don't have a real target.
And so I decided that I'm going to begin by trying to compile as much as I can of Ravilo P. Oliver works.
And I found some very terrible things so far.
jordan holmes
Oh, and surprising!
dan friesen
He's written some real terrible, very, very anti-Semitic stuff.
unidentified
Man!
dan friesen
And the reason I chose...
To go in this direction is partially because I believe that a lot of his ideas about the West and the Western man and Christendom and those sorts of things are very relevant to the right wing as it exists now.
And I think a lot of people don't have that thread to pull and maybe exploring that a little bit could be helpful.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But then the other thing was that when you think about the John Birch Society, which is a cornerstone of the materials that are going to be in this thing I'm putting together.
The first meeting that they had, the founding members that were there, a lot of these people were business folks.
They were industrialists.
They were members of the National Association of Manufacturers.
jordan holmes
Most fascists are.
dan friesen
Sure.
You had the candy man.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Fred Koch.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
You know, you had these folks who were, you know, I'm sure they had ideas.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But they weren't primarily idea people.
Right.
Whereas, Ravilo P. Oliver was somebody who was there.
And he's an ideas guy.
He's a professor.
He's an academic.
He's somebody who has a lot of theory about stuff.
And when you look at that constellation of people, that's the person that I find most interesting.
That's the person who's going to have more writings that have, like, implications for maybe the way that the organization ended up growing.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, of course.
I mean, the businessmen are obviously outsourcing their thoughts to other people, too.
They don't have time to think of things.
dan friesen
And I'm sure they have some ideas, some thoughts.
Hurt the poor!
It's a thought!
unidentified
It's a thought!
jordan holmes
It's an idea!
dan friesen
We need someone to make this sound better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So I'm excited about this.
I've got his Against the Grain here in front of me.
This is the first.
The writings of Professor Ravilo Pendleton Oliver.
And there's a number of chapters in here that I think...
jordan holmes
Speak for themselves?
dan friesen
They spell trouble.
There's a nice editorial here.
A white Christian racist defends his faith?
jordan holmes
I mean...
It's refreshingly straightforward.
I would accept that.
Especially if it was a white racist defends his racism by just being like, I really want to!
The end.
dan friesen
There's one chapter in the larger section, Race and History Distortion, and there's a subchapter, Anne Frank's Diary.
Oh, boy!
jordan holmes
Great!
That one's real quick.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is the direction that some things are taking here with the library.
I've been a little bit slow in posting pictures.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I wanted to give a little update about that, and there will be some pictures.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know how we've seen so many failed stand-up comedians become right-wing talking idiots?
We have.
What's great about Ravilo is that he was originally the great Ravilo.
And because of his failed magic career, well, here we are.
dan friesen
I wonder if it is pronounced Revelo.
jordan holmes
It is in my brain forever.
dan friesen
I've only seen it written, I suppose.
jordan holmes
May we never hear his name spoken aloud.
dan friesen
I think that is his given name.
But it is also a palindrome.
jordan holmes
Revelo P. Oliver is a palindrome.
Oh, that's fucking annoying.
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
What a piece of shit.
dan friesen
If that's the case, you've got to blame his parents.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think he deserves a response.
You could change your name.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, maybe that'll be another part of my research.
Figuring out exactly if this is his name and why.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's annoying.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Oh boy, my bright spot is I finally got turned on, or I finally listened to the Big Thief album from last year.
Strong New Warm Mountain or whatever it's called.
It's good.
dan friesen
Big Thief featuring Chief Keef.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Not that one.
No, no, no.
It's surprisingly good.
I've been anti-Big Thief for a long time.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
I've been anti-Big Thief because to me for a long time they've sounded like if Courtney Barnett headed Gang Gang Dance or something.
I know that means nothing to some people.
dan friesen
Here's what's great about this.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
I hear the name Big Thief, and I don't know where to slot this.
unidentified
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
I don't know genre, and then you name other people, and I don't know what they are.
jordan holmes
You don't even know what they are.
dan friesen
He's like, okay, he's going to say what it's a combination of.
I'm going to be able to figure this out.
Is this rock?
Is this rap?
unidentified
Is this coke?
dan friesen
What is this?
But then you name people, and I'm like, I don't know them either.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this.
It's a little bit of everything.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
There's a little bit of everything in there, and it's not always focused enough to be good at the thing that they're doing.
This album is good at the thing that they're doing.
It's good!
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Agreed!
dan friesen
Is there any...
What's that genre that I loathe?
jordan holmes
Trap!
dan friesen
No.
God damn it.
It's like beachy.
It's very beachy.
jordan holmes
It's beachy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Soft rock?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Although I'm not a fan of soft rock either.
jordan holmes
Reggae?
You don't like reggae?
dan friesen
I like some reggae, but most of it is too chill for me.
jordan holmes
That's right.
We've had this conversation.
dan friesen
I find it too relaxed.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
It stresses me out.
unidentified
How dare you?
jordan holmes
This is making me worry about the future.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't appreciate that they're either relaxed and chill or they're putting that image on.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
If they're deceiving you, it's actually terrifying, right?
dan friesen
The implications of it are tough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bossa Nova.
That's what I was thinking of.
Bossa Nova?
jordan holmes
Speechy?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
Is there a Bossa Nova type of influence?
jordan holmes
I mean, I suppose, yeah, like Antonio Carlos Chopin kind of.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can see that.
jordan holmes
There's no Bossa Nova in there.
dan friesen
Oh.
Maybe you call Big Thief, ask him to toss a little Bossa Nova in there.
unidentified
I think that's not a bad idea.
jordan holmes
I don't think you're wrong.
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying that album.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what are we doing today?
dan friesen
We're doing an episode.
Oh!
Jordan, so on our last episode, we talked about the end of the year broadcast on InfoWars.
December 31st.
jordan holmes
Still writing June on all of my checks.
dan friesen
And we had to tease from Alex that he was going to reveal his predictions.
For the coming year.
And then he decided, I can't do that.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to lock myself in my office for six to seven hours, tell my wife I'm not coming home, I'm going to take care of this, and it's got to be dark in that office.
And then he's like, fuck it.
You know what?
It'll do you one better.
I'm going to the woods for a couple days.
jordan holmes
I recall him escalating to, I'm going to the woods for a couple of days.
dan friesen
Because he's got to get in the zone with God, and God's got to tell him stuff, and that can only happen in a creek.
jordan holmes
And he needs to cry and walk.
He's a cry walker.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So we tuned in as we were recording our last episode on Alex's Sunday show, and it turns out he was there.
He was in studio.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
So he did not go to the woods.
jordan holmes
Did they turn all the lights off so he could talk in the dark?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
But he barely talked.
He wasn't talking all that much.
It was an interview with Francis Boyle, Dr. Francis Boyle, the guy who is a bioweapon specialist of some sort, and he has apparently some thoughts about Ukraine.
Great.
It was a pointless interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We did not get predictions about the year.
jordan holmes
That doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
That was the whole first hour.
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
And then the second hour was just reruns.
Alex left.
jordan holmes
So he is in the woods.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I tuned in on Monday, and what do I find?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Infowars.com.
Live, on air, in the year 2023.
jordan holmes
He's in the woods!
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Why don't you suck on that deep state?
Yeah.
Wait, is the deep state sucking on the new year?
dan friesen
No, just the fact that they're still on air.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean...
dan friesen
InfoWars is still on air in 2023.
unidentified
And if you've got a problem with that, we've got two words for you!
No, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
This is an arbitrary demarcation of time.
I refuse to acknowledge that as an existence.
dan friesen
The new D-Generation X. Nope.
The New Age Outlaws.
jordan holmes
How dare they?
dan friesen
Harrison Smith and Owen Troyer.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Tag team champs.
jordan holmes
No, refuse.
dan friesen
You've got...
jordan holmes
What would Harrison Smith's final move be?
dan friesen
The snooze.
He puts you to sleep.
jordan holmes
He just starts talking to you for a long time.
dan friesen
No, it's a sleeper hold.
jordan holmes
It's a sleeper hold?
Yeah.
I wouldn't buy him putting anybody to sleep in that.
dan friesen
No, but it's thematically fitting.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex, I guess, would be Triple H. Or maybe Shawn Michaels?
jordan holmes
I mean, I think he's more Hulk Hogan now.
dan friesen
Well, that's like the New World Order stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
I forgot.
dan friesen
I'm trying to cast Degeneration X. No, I understand.
jordan holmes
My attitude era is not as complete as yours.
dan friesen
Cousin Buckley is ravishing Rick Rude.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Well, no, obviously.
dan friesen
That one's obvious.
Savannah Hernandez is China, because she's the only female that I think is still around.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Millie Weaver's gone.
jordan holmes
still around in a period.
dan friesen
And I know that Svan Hernandez actually works, like she worked for The Blaze, but she still has a channel on Band.Video.
Sure.
unidentified
Nick Fuentes could be ravishing Rick Rude because he had a mustache.
dan friesen
Oh.
unidentified
And Nick had a mustache.
dan friesen
Enough of this.
Okay.
unidentified
Anyway, Alex is in the woods, it appears.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
On Monday or something.
dan friesen
He's just not there.
Right.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I'm very excited about that.
I want to know what's coming.
Alex has a responsibility to tell us because he's a psychic, and I'm not.
jordan holmes
Boy, he really is a psychic too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, I felt like I wanted to tell the world that we don't have the predictions.
But that's not an episode.
jordan holmes
End of episode.
Goodbye!
dan friesen
That is not a full episode.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
And so I thought like, well, we can go back to 2003.
We can make some progress through 2003.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it dawned on me.
That actually, we are right at the point where Saddam gets found.
He got found on December 13th, 2003, and our next episode, as we're progressing through, would be December 12th.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
So here we are.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We get to figure out what happened when Alex heard the news that Saddam Hussein was found.
jordan holmes
Clearly, if I remember my 2003 lore correctly, it was...
Czechoslovakia who did it, correct?
dan friesen
No, they trained the dogs that found Saddam.
jordan holmes
Sure, okay.
I'm better now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Jen Jam, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Happy, it's cool whenever Dan gets to it.
Birthday, Eric from Kate, our puppies, Meadow, Bandit, and Horseradish, the pod dog.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Happy birthday!
jordan holmes
Right on time this time.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, thanks to Alex Jones for my new gender, Gremlin Wraith.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Luke.
I am your father.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know why nobody's tried that one before.
I feel like that's been there for...
We're on episode 762 or whatever, right?
unidentified
It's true.
dan friesen
Next, did European studies really prepare us for this emmer?
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And Squatch Curious has joined the party.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix.
And this person I have to give an apology to because they wanted me to play an out-of-context drop of myself, but I don't know where that is in the emails.
And they sent this message a couple months ago.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I can't find it.
I have no idea.
But if they resend that email, maybe I'll play it in the future or something.
But in lieu of that, they asked for this shout-out.
So thank you very much.
Danielle had a great idea for a shout-out, but Dan and Jordan didn't listen, and now you're all stuck with this stupid shout-out name.
Thank you so much.
You are now a Democrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
jordan holmes
Daddy Shark.
alex jones
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And I'll play that clip if we get to it.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly, was that referring to if you decided not to play the clip?
Then they would be like, well, this one would be good.
dan friesen
Yeah, here's the name if you don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
I mean, a subtle dig at you, that's fantastic.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
dan friesen
Sure, but it also could be, you know, if this is too much of a hassle.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Anyway, sorry about that.
So, we got this episode to do, and I want to say a little tease, and that is that if you stick around until the end of the episode, we will have a new song by DJ Dan Arkey that we forgot to play earlier.
jordan holmes
We're great.
dan friesen
You know what?
It's one thing to just like, yeah, we kind of forget things, you know, but when it's like...
A couple in a row.
It doesn't feel great.
jordan holmes
Okay, so there is, and you know, you and I both have strenuously avoided this, but there are reasons people have other people work on things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's true.
jordan holmes
A lot of other shows have staffs.
There are people designated to remember things.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never gonna happen with us, but...
dan friesen
Looking over at the other person who works on this show.
Could maybe get a planner or something.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably a good idea.
dan friesen
Anyway, there will be a new song, The Highwaymen Mix, by DJ Dan Arcadia.
It's great.
But here we go.
We're going to start.
And we start on the 12th.
And actually, we don't have any clips from the 12th.
It is a boring show.
Nothing happens.
I couldn't find anything to grab onto.
Alex is killing time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It is not even interesting.
But there's a commercial.
Okay.
unidentified
Oh my!
I can't believe I got these drugs prescribed for free and shipped overnight to my door without seeing a doctor.
Yes, it's true.
jordan holmes
For a limited time, our doctors are prescribing drugs for free.
unidentified
Our doctors are prescribing most popular diet pills, muscle relaxers, sleeping pills and Viagra.
You heard it right.
Free prescriptions over the phone for painkillers, migraine relief, anti-anxiety, allergy relief and heartburn relief.
The list goes on and on.
Free prescriptions for hair loss, birth control, antidepressants, acne creams and herpes medication.
Did I mention free diet pills and Viagra prescriptions?
This is a limited time offer.
Our doctors will not be prescribing drugs over the phone for free and shipping them overnight to your door for much longer.
If you don't call 1-800-615-7094 right now, you may miss out forever.
To participate in this limited-time offer and have your drugs prescribed over the phone...
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex was advertising for a drug shopping kind of thing.
Like, look, it's one thing...
I don't know, actually.
I'm not going to try and couch this in anything.
He brings up muscle relaxants, painkillers.
These are some dangerous things to be taking outside the supervision of a doctor's care.
They list SOMA as one of the things that...
jordan holmes
Oh, that's great.
Good.
I mean, no.
When you're on a commercial, the one thing I'm listening for is if you're reinforcing once more, just so you know, we have speed and dick pills.
I think we know what people are asking for, okay?
dan friesen
Yeah, and there's like, hey, we're only going to be doing this for a while.
jordan holmes
Right?
That's insane!
dan friesen
Get your drugs now.
unidentified
What is this?
jordan holmes
The Wild West?
This is a...
unidentified
Come on down to get Dr. Gin's tonic!
jordan holmes
It's going to solve all your problems today!
dan friesen
I mean, this is a mess, but it's also...
There's an element of it that is just deeply unethical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this can't be legal, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Was it legal in 2003?
dan friesen
Look, I don't know enough about the law, and I assume that it is.
jordan holmes
I mean, somewhere it's legal.
dan friesen
It must be, there's some sort of a loophole or something.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that Alex should be arrested or these people should be arrested, but he should feel terrible.
Like, advertising for this, I mean, I think that it's even dicey to advertise gambling stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's a little bit shady.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think even, I mean, maybe I'm more anti-advertising than a lot of folks, but I understand people taking ads for, you know, something that could potentially be dangerous.
Sure.
unidentified
But, like, this...
dan friesen
Is, A, do you want free access to medications that could potentially completely destroy your life?
And I'm Alex Jones, somebody who hates pharmaceuticals.
I think that every shooter is somebody who's on brain control meds.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't take psychiatric drugs.
Take speed and dick pills, preferably together and with alcohol.
dan friesen
But from my impression of that call, you could get psychiatric meds, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
You can get anything you want from that place, which, again, is a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, hindsight's 20-20, but if I was listening to that...
Sorry.
I don't appreciate eye jokes because I'm blind.
dan friesen
I have a cross-eye.
jordan holmes
It is so clear, like, oh yeah, the opioid crisis is 100% coming.
It's 100% coming.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I think that if you're Alex Jones, there should be a point at which, like, I understand that this ad is probably run through Midas Resources or Genesis.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like, this is Ted Anderson's fault.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if I were Alex, I would put some sort of...
Standards in place.
Where I'm like, no.
You don't do this.
You're going to run the risk of getting our audience addicted to pills that will destroy their lives.
Because they maybe don't need them or...
jordan holmes
I mean, Dan, that would only make sense if they were operating under similar rules as a drug dealer of some sort.
They would do something like say, oh, the first taste is free.
And then later on, whenever you came back to them because you're addicted to it, you wouldn't get it for free.
But clearly that's, wait a second, Dan!
dan friesen
Well, they're not going to be shipping them for free for long.
Yeah, that sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, the 12th is a Friday.
So, the weekend comes and goes.
And Saddam got captured over the weekend.
And so, on the 15th, Monday...
jordan holmes
They always do a news dump on the weekend, you know, because you don't want to...
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, and...
I was trying to find a way to connect this to, like, you always get fired on a Friday.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But Alex comes...
jordan holmes
You always get fired at on a Friday.
dan friesen
Alex comes in on Monday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And here's where he's at.
I mean, at least he doesn't beat around the bush.
He just gets to the news.
alex jones
Hello, my friends.
Welcome to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.
I'm chomping at the bit to comment on the supposed capture of Saddam Hussein.
I was in Houston, Texas Sunday morning after a successful show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the way you do it.
alex jones
John Carpenter's They Live at the local movie theater there.
Great seeing everybody.
And I got up that morning, turned on the television, something I rarely do these days.
And they were announcing that they had captured the rat.
They had the ace in the hole.
They had captured Saddam Hussein the day before, and they were announcing it to us.
The American governor of the territory, of the holding, was saying that we have done it, and some Iraqi journalists, about ten of them, jumped up and started hooting and hollering.
Praising this development.
dan friesen
What a monumentous weekend.
I mean, first of all, you had Saddam getting captured.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex was at the Alamo Drafthouse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he did his movie screening.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I have to say that I think Alex is a little bit annoyed that Saddam got captured because it kind of makes it so he can't just talk about...
The show and how much of a success it was.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm assuming that Alex would be annoyed if he had gone down on the plane with the big bopper and wasn't given head billing, you know?
Like, that kind of thing.
Alex would be very frustrated if he lost any clout to anyone.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, you're saying that he would be upset if he was on the plane with the Big Bopper as opposed to with Buddy Holly?
jordan holmes
Well, whatever.
I'm backwards.
My bad, I'm backwards.
dan friesen
And the only reason I bring it up is because it runs counter to the argument that you were...
jordan holmes
I know, absolutely, the complete opposite.
It's been a long day.
dan friesen
I understand.
jordan holmes
All right, mistakes were made.
dan friesen
It's tough.
It's tough out there.
It's raining in Chicago.
jordan holmes
That's the problem!
I got a bum knee.
It's all there.
dan friesen
Your brain exacerbates that need, as we know from Far Side cartoons.
jordan holmes
It's really true, though.
It hurts.
dan friesen
So, we don't really know what Alex's vibe is yet here.
You know, he's kind of saying the supposed capture, but there's not really a sense that he's like, this is fake, or anything.
And that continues.
alex jones
There's been so many false reports of captures of other people, I thought we'd go over this today.
I don't know what to believe.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
And we're going to open the phones up early in the show, and yes, we'll take dozens and dozens and dozens of calls today.
Wide open phones on the show.
What do you think's happening?
Your chance to respond.
I don't know.
dan friesen
He doesn't know.
It's kind of refreshing to hear Alex just say that he has no idea what the reality of a given situation is.
You'd never hear him show that kind of weakness these days, but in the past, Alex's brand was being a smart truth-teller, not that he's a prophet ordained by God and given a divine revelation and a guy who can also see the future.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
His image can sustain a little bit of uncertainty in 2003, which is just kind of like a normal person.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, not knowing things is actually one of the most...
One of the strongest things that a truth teller does is not know things.
dan friesen
Right.
It's a wise man admits when he doesn't know things.
jordan holmes
One who speaks does not know.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Jefferson.
jordan holmes
No.
Lots of...
dan friesen
Okay.
Close.
I was close.
So that being said, all that being said, Alex is not being above board here.
On the surface, he's saying that he doesn't know what to think, but he's very clearly trying to imply to the audience that they should think that the capture of Saddam was fake.
All the external context that he adds to the coverage serves only to justify coming to the conclusion that it was fake.
Alex points out that other captures have been faked before, which is supposed to make the listener feel like deciding Saddam's capture was faked is a more rational act than you would normally think.
You may notice that Alex is not doing this kind of insinuation in the other direction, providing defenses for the listener who may be inclined to think that the capture was legit.
That's because there is a conclusion Alex is driving at, even if he's trying to hide behind pretending that he's clueless and I don't know what to think.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, it's obviously more likely for him to lean towards it was fake.
I mean, that's his bailiwick on the day to day.
I'm a little confused as to why he's not in this one.
You know, in this particular situation, I feel like with the knowledge of Saddam's doubles all over the place, you know, everybody knew that was going around.
You have a fairly good shot, at least for a few days, of being like, I don't think it was him.
They have to prove it.
I think they're faking it.
dan friesen
Well, I had a couple thoughts about that.
We'll get into that a little bit as things go along.
But also, interestingly, there is not really any inclination towards the doubles and stuff.
Even though he does bring up that there were doubles, he's pretty insistent that this is actually Saddam.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he was saying that some other time in the not-too-distant past, some other picture...
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
A very pressing question for him.
I do believe he measures people's worth by thickness of neck.
dan friesen
It's critical.
jordan holmes
It's a stack.
It's a saying in his house.
Ah, that man has a real thick neck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex continues to pretend that there's like, I don't know what's going on here.
alex jones
I know this, though.
That Saddam they showed during the war with the glasses was not Saddam.
The Israelis and Iranians and others looked at it and said, that's not Saddam.
I could look at it and tell you it wasn't Saddam, though it was a better body double than the fat guy that they claim was bin Laden two years ago.
Remember that video, the fat guy in the dark room that looked nothing like bin Laden, had a nose twice the size of bin Laden's?
We know that was fake.
We know that the Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops in newspapers with false signatures.
We know they've lied to us about mass graves and mobile weapons trucks and uranium from Niger.
We know that they've planted false news stories of impending terror to, quote, create hysteria.
We know the Jessica Lynch story was a, quote, fable.
So I don't know.
dan friesen
know what alex is doing here is teaching his audience how to argue a point while knowing nothing about the actual point you're arguing leaving aside the dubious nature of some of the points alex just listed off even if all of that was totally true and accurate none of it would prove that saddam's capture wasn't real right at best the argument he's making could conclude that the globalists are capable of faking something but that doesn't mean that they did the goal of this style
It's a barrage of points that don't prove anything, but it's literally impossible for someone to respond to what Alex is saying in any way.
You see this kind of behavior a ton in social media comments, so it kind of makes sense that Alex would have gravitated so strongly to that swamp.
jordan holmes
Here's how I would respond to it, okay?
I would ignore most of it.
unidentified
You should, yeah.
jordan holmes
I would say, of all things, if I recall correctly...
Osama had a bit of a honker.
I wouldn't choose the size of his nose to measure.
He had a large nose!
There's nothing wrong with that.
dan friesen
Or give him a, that's not a nose, that's a banana.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
You look at the man, you know?
Like, come on!
If he's gaining weight, of course he gained weight.
He used to be flying around and shit, and now he's just sitting in a hole with his 30 wives or whatever.
dan friesen
Well, I would say that you're not going to win going down that road.
Your first instinct was better, which is just ignore all this stuff and stay on the point that you're...
Supposed to be talking about.
Which is the Saddam, what do you know about it?
And he's not saying anything.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But that's why I feel like we need to get to the bottom of this Osama thing.
Because he's not really saying anything about that.
But I want to know what he thinks about when he sees Osama's nose.
You know, like, what is the size that is large or small in that picture?
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I think...
I see maybe how you would want to have a good time arguing with Alex here, but I don't think it's a fruitful road.
jordan holmes
Well, fair.
dan friesen
So the second goal of this kind of thing, this kind of argumentation, is to make an argument without having to own the fact that you made that argument.
Alex is arguing that Saddam's capture was faked, but he has every ability to pretend that he's not.
If you were to say that he's making that argument, he'd be able to weasel his way out of that by the point of, I didn't say that.
Meanwhile, Alex has been saying that Saddam fled to Belarus with his kids and a bunch of gold ever since he was ousted from power, so if you're a person familiar with the content and narratives that are active on Infowars at this point, you would know that what Alex is saying is not I don't know.
He's saying, like, basically that he wants to call it fake, but he doesn't have the right talking point to anchor that claim yet, so he's gonna play dumb.
He'll take a bunch of calls, and hopefully one of them will make a point that he can use to strengthen his conspiracy, but make no...
No mistake, Alex isn't looking for information that'll help him arrive at the conclusion that the capture was real.
If that was the case, then it would call into question so many of his other narratives about the Iraq War, and that pieces would start to fall.
It still needs to be fake in order for all these other things to be maintained.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's one of the things that is applicable in so many different aspects of life is that type of thing.
When somebody says that type of thing to you, you know, the I am saying this, but I'm afraid to take responsibility for it.
There is no point in like trying to convince them of something.
They have no interest in being convinced.
They're trying to get through this.
With what they have intact, you know?
dan friesen
Well, and there's a conclusion or an ending point that they're angling towards and that they're going to keep moving towards regardless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not going to talk them back from the ledge.
dan friesen
No, and so much of this other stuff, this pretending to not really know and all this is a performance that kind of makes it seem more like Alex is doing a...
Investigative process before he arrives at his conclusion that one way or another something was fake here.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I don't know who did this, but it has the fingerprints of every Republican I've ever seen.
So I'm just saying that they might be, you know.
dan friesen
Alex has a conspiracy here.
Shocking.
And it's kind of...
Decent way for him to go in order to maintain, like I said, a lot of those other trappings that he has that would intersect with Saddam being captured.
jordan holmes
Strategic flexibility, one might say.
dan friesen
Sure, but I'm thinking of it more like Jenga.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Pulling this piece out does not make everything topple, whereas if you were to say, oh, everything that they're saying about this capture is totally accurate, then the whole tower falls.
jordan holmes
The lodestone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
This is what the Israeli intelligence has to say, which doesn't even go along with Bush.
Interesting.
Indications are Saddam was being held prisoner.
That's from the DEBCA file, and that's exactly what I thought.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
As I was driving back from Houston listening to talk radio and the propaganda and thinking about it, I sat there for an hour eating breakfast in my hotel room, listening to what they were saying, what they were up to, what they were doing, and I came away with that guy had been a prisoner.
And he was drugged.
I mean, you know when somebody's on drugs, he was on some type of depressant.
That was clear.
It looked like somebody hopped up on psychotropics as well, or lithium.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex has decided that the new way to go with it is he was a prisoner.
He was held captive.
jordan holmes
Right.
You do not know when a person is on drugs.
unidentified
Boo!
dan friesen
Boo!
If you're Alex, you do, because it's discernment.
jordan holmes
I just feel like that's not...
I mean, sometimes you know when a person's on drugs.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
But you do not know when a person is on drugs.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
As a blanket statement.
dan friesen
No, you can suspect and maybe have cause to be a little bit suspicious.
jordan holmes
I'm going to throw this out there.
Seeing somebody on TV after they have been in a hole for several days?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you can tell if they're on drugs one way or the other.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I think that might be a bit of a biased circumstance.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, I'm not seeing a study on this, but being in a hole for a couple days might get you high as hell.
jordan holmes
I think it'd be more effective than drugs at driving you insane, at least.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you see, this is a good way for all of the things that Alex has said already to sort of be recontextualized.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
When Saddam was ousted from power, he flew out to Belarus.
He was hanging out there and what have you.
This can go along with that.
It's like, that was, we were wrong about that.
The intel was there, but they got double-crossed, so they kidnapped Saddam and put him in the hole, and they were holding him in order to be turned over, in order to give the globalists a big boost of some sort.
They put him on ice.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm gonna say, even for Saddam, they would not have put him in what amounted to a coffin.
Right?
As far as a prison goes, they would at least put him in a room.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but...
jordan holmes
You hide in a coffin because you're trying not to be found.
dan friesen
Or you don't want him to be found until it's time for the prestige.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
For the reveal.
jordan holmes
Fine, fine.
We're going to hold back until the time is ripe to reveal that we have been keeping Saddam in a coffin.
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Okay.
It's a good movie.
Alex, he was coming back from Houston, and he was listening to these talk radio stations discuss the Saddam discovery, and he decided, I've got to get in the mix here.
alex jones
I showed Road to Tyranny and another film at the movie theater in Houston.
Big success.
Great seeing everybody.
And so I get up Sunday morning, and I'm eating breakfast in the hotel room, and I turn on the news.
At like 9 o 'clock, 8 o 'clock in the morning, and there's Saddam captured.
And so I watch that for a few hours, leave, and I'm driving back to Austin, three and a half hours, listening to Houston talk radio, Austin talk radio, and San Antonio talk radio, and briefly Dallas.
I listen to three local shows and part of a syndicated show.
I call into three local shows on big, you know, 50,000-watt AMs.
I call into them and I say, well, I just want to point out that Bush cut Taiwan loose and said they could be on their own violating our treaty with them.
China's a much greater threat, more abuse than Saddam ever thought of.
Why are we talking about Saddam as, quote, the next Hitler being captured, but not talking about how our government funded and created him?
And they'd say, thanks for your opinion and hang up on me.
So I'd call back and I'd go, this is Kevin.
I think they ought to hang that piece of filth, and I think we ought to arrest anybody that disagrees with Bush.
jordan holmes
Alex, why are you calling us?
alex jones
Let's get you right on.
And they would put me on the air, and I'd suddenly switch back to my regular Alex Jones, and I'd shift out of character and say, we put Saddam in power, and told him to invade Kuwait, and told him to attack Iran, and he is a thug, but compared to all these other people, he's nothing.
I'm sorry, what?
Say that they wanted to have terror as an excuse to get the oil, that Saddam wasn't a threat.
Dick Cheney wrote that.
And the host would hang up on me and go, how dare you say you were for the president or for this and then come on and do that.
You lied.
But by them doing that, they showed they were censoring the calls.
dan friesen
We've heard Alex yell at some people about lying about their calls, too.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that.
dan friesen
So I guess he's condemning himself here.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
No, I don't believe that this happened.
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
But it's fun.
It's a fun story.
But if it did happen.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which, again, I don't think this happened.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But if it did, I think a more likely explanation for all of the things that Alex is describing is that the people who are producing a radio show had enough callers.
Who maybe had the perspective that Alex in his own persona had.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or they got the sense, this isn't going to be a good call.
This person's going to be a pain in the ass to talk to.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
I don't want to talk to this person.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
Whereas his sort of yokel character that is like, I think that everybody should be hanged.
jordan holmes
Don't have a lot of yokels.
dan friesen
Right.
That's like, okay, maybe this is somebody who we don't have this voice calling in.
jordan holmes
This will give us some entertaining.
Yeah, this will give us a new fresh voice.
Come on, people.
Gotta stay listening!
dan friesen
Right.
There might be a higher demand for that than whatever Alex is bringing to the table, and they're trying to do a show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So maybe that's what, uh, maybe that's a part of it.
jordan holmes
Let me pitch you on this.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This didn't happen.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Let me pitch you on this.
Okay.
So Alex calls in, and they're like, you're Alex Jones.
Of course we can't put you on air.
And then Alex calls in doing his Kevin character, and then they go, hold on, I'm gonna have to put you on hold.
Holy shit, Alex Jones is trying to do a fucking character.
Are you shitting me?
We gotta put him on!
If he does the character, it's gonna be fucking great!
dan friesen
There is an angle of that that would be fun.
But again...
jordan holmes
Did not happen.
Absolutely not.
But that is the way that I would believe it happened, had it happened.
dan friesen
Yes.
So Alex gets a little bit more into his Saddam kidnapping theory.
alex jones
And it looks like they were keeping him on ice.
To then bring him out.
He looked drugged.
He looked like he'd been beat up.
He had swelling all over his face, which the Israelis pointed out.
jordan holmes
All consistent with being in a coffin for a while.
alex jones
Like he's been beaten a lot the last few months.
Because when you've really been savagely beaten, all the bruising doesn't go away around the eyes.
There's still a general puffiness erased.
You can see some new scars on his face that weren't there.
And he looked like he was hopped up.
And in fact, everybody was saying that.
Man, he looks like he's drugged.
So, you look at that, you know, I found out from a high-level Bush administration official that I cannot name, a lot of them live here in Austin, that on Air Force One, Bush Sr. bragged that they've got Bin Laden dead from kidney failure, part of an agreement with his family, and planned, I've been saying this for two years, planned to roll him out right about a month before the election.
dan friesen
I don't think that's a Bush administration person.
I think that's Steve.
I think that's Steve Pachanek.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Because I do know that their first interview, and I've not been able to find this as audio or video, but I have read the transcript of Steve's first interview, and it appears that they hadn't spoken before, and that is in 2002.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So they are in each other's lives, but maybe not super close.
jordan holmes
Sure.
He's just getting an email every now and again from Steve saying absolute insane things.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But the kidney failure, the Marfan syndrome thing is a Steve Hallmark.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so there's a part of me that thinks like, ah, that's what Alex is trying to obscure with the Trump or Bush administration figure.
jordan holmes
It just occurred to me that people used to...
Text conspiracy theories to each other on T9.
Can you imagine flipping your razor phone open and typing out a long series of, like, here's what the Bush family did?
dan friesen
And I would be furious if I got charged by the text.
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
That's brutal.
dan friesen
Eating up my plan here, man.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
1-1-1-4-4-4-5-6-6-7.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's no good.
jordan holmes
Those are the days.
dan friesen
You kids don't know what it was like.
jordan holmes
You don't even know what it was like back in the days!
dan friesen
Trying to pill people on a flip phone.
You all have it so good.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
That's so funny.
dan friesen
That's why they would use newsletters and stuff.
unidentified
Far more effective and convenient.
dan friesen
So, Alex is really trying to leave the perception that...
I don't know what's going on here.
It could be anything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he's very clearly trying to argue that it was fake.
alex jones
I mean, the guy's been beat like a bald-headed stepchild.
The guy was hopped up on something.
They probably dropped some knockout gas in there five hours before.
They had a seven, eight-hour timing.
They went in there, hauled him out, took him to the Baghdad airport.
Stuck him up there in front of everybody.
And then there's the question of body doubles, because they admit he had ten body doubles.
And I'll tell you, he looks like the real Saddam.
That guy they put up there with the glasses on TV, different bone structure, different nose, different lips, little chicken neck.
Saddam had a big old fat neck.
That was not Saddam.
jordan holmes
Conclusive evidence.
alex jones
Body doubles mixed in here.
unidentified
He couldn't have lost weight from being in a coffin.
alex jones
He tested his teeth.
It's him.
How did he know that just a few hours after they announced it?
There's no proof of that.
So Dan Rather is trying to allay your concerns.
After all these staged arrests, after all this staged business, I don't know.
dan friesen
Alex is making a ton of arguments for why this is a fake capture, and he's attacking people like Dan Rather in the mainstream media for reporting that it was Saddam who was captured.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It could not be more clear what Alex's position is, but he's still doing this song and dance about not knowing what he thinks, and I think a part of that is that this position helps persuade listeners.
If he comes out guns blazing yelling about how this is fake, he might be able to convince some or even most of the audience, but if he does it this way, where he slow plays...
I don't think Alex could pull this kind of thing off nowadays.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But that is the real vibe that I get from the way that he's deploying his rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I also have the sense that...
Pre, uh, I am a prophet that knows everything and I'm always right about everything 100% of the time.
Maybe he wants to, he wants to go there right away, but he also has to talk himself into it a little bit.
He has to give himself a pep talk on why he should give a full throat to this, you know?
It's very shortly after that.
I doubt he's had too much time to think about it, let alone come up with a solid plan for manipulating people.
dan friesen
He found out about it Sunday morning and this is Monday.
He had plenty of time.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
Sunday morning and this is Monday.
So he planned...
dan friesen
No, I'm saying if you were somebody who...
You know, used your time wisely.
jordan holmes
That's where we're falling apart, you and I!
dan friesen
I'm saying all things being equal for a human, it's enough time to come up with an argument.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
We are accounting for Alex.
dan friesen
It's not like he found out right before he got on air.
Then, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think that what you're saying, though, about him trying to talk himself into it is kind of, I think there's some merit to that.
And that's the impetus of going to the callers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That I feel like.
I need to find where my handhold is here.
I need to figure out what narrative I'm going to be able to hinge this on.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think there's that.
jordan holmes
And that's part of why he couldn't do it today is because today his character is all-seeing profit.
He doesn't need to talk himself into anything.
He's seen it from God!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a weakness to uncertainty in the present, whereas in the past, it doesn't hurt his position and his branding to have that sort of uncertainty.
jordan holmes
When you start a cult, you can doubt, but when you get to a certain point, you gotta be all-knowing.
That's just how it goes.
dan friesen
So you get some calls, and they're mostly dumb and not really all that interesting.
I don't necessarily get any sort of thing to hang his hat on.
It's all, like, the tone stays fairly consistent throughout, which is, this is fake, but also I'm hedging a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But some of the calls are kind of interesting.
jordan holmes
Hi, I'm Kim.
alex jones
Let's go ahead and talk to Manuel in Pennsylvania.
Your chance to respond with what you think's going on.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Alex, this one looks kind of sloppy.
Because when they threw him in there, you can see a specific, direct indication of manipulation and insertion of theatrics.
When they say that he had Mars bars in there, the red planet, the god of war, that's a direct message there.
You see their intent for the theatrics, how they placed it.
alex jones
And for those that doubt it, it sounds crazy.
It's like leaving the skull and bones card.
At the sniper scenes, it's like...
unidentified
Is it like that?
alex jones
On the one-year anniversary of 9-11, the New York lottery, 9-11, the Chicago mercantile, 9-11.
dan friesen
Right, so if Alex is responding to the caller this way, then he's reinforcing the argument that the Mars bars being in the hole were a part of a calling card that the globalists were using, that only the elect could see the messaging of it.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, those things have happened.
So if you're comparing them to things that are concrete, then that would suggest that so is this.
dan friesen
It would have to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that kind of conversation is always fairly revealing of Alex's actual...
What he wants the message the audience takes away from his show to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
I just can't get enough of those solid...
Foundational arguments of, aha, see, they said this thing, 9-1-1, and this person said this thing, 9-1-1, clearly.
I'm done.
I've rested my case.
Do you not understand?
They both said 9-11!
dan friesen
And even that's not really true.
jordan holmes
Nicolas Cage came up with that argument, I believe.
dan friesen
Alex takes another call.
And this person has something to ask about.
And actually, I applaud.
I applaud Alex for this.
This is great.
unidentified
So I wanted to ask you, did you ever hear of Nassara before?
alex jones
Yeah, it's not real.
unidentified
It isn't?
alex jones
No, it's a government propaganda piece that there's a secret bill that America's okay, and there's patriots, and Washington has already gotten rid of the Federal Reserve.
It is total propaganda to make people think everything's okay as they set up martial law publicly.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I just heard something about it.
I looked at their website, but I don't know what to draw on it.
I'm glad you know about it.
dan friesen
Nesera and Jesera, those are the two things.
Those are really popular in QAnon communities now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Those are like proto-Q shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, the National Economic Security and Recovery Act is what that stands for.
And then the Jesera is just the global.
But yeah, it's like this idea that all debts are going to be forgiven.
It's great.
For Alex to be like, nah, it's bullshit.
It's very rare that there's something that is so beyond the pale that even Alex isn't even, he's not entertaining it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just, it is just so fucking weird to see him just be like, nope, bullshit.
I mean, he even tried a little bit with Q to be like, oh, that's bull...
But even then, he hedged it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, he tried to co-opt it and run it for his own purposes.
jordan holmes
And then even when he couldn't, though, he still didn't just go on and say, like, it's all bullshit.
He was like, oh, they're right about some things.
He had to do a little bit of a middle ground there.
dan friesen
But I think that you can, if you think about it for a little while, I think you can come up with a pretty decent sense of why this has to be bullshit.
And that is that it undermines...
His own conspiracies.
Like, if this does exist, then there is no reason to worry about the things Alex wants you to worry about.
And that is completely anathema to his space.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, it is still a similar kind of way of doing things.
Like, keep your followers or whatever in stasis.
But in this situation, it's in a stasis of like...
We're on the cusp of everything being fine.
Don't do anything.
dan friesen
Nothing you do can really affect the coming of this Nessera.
jordan holmes
Alex wants you to be like, the only thing you can do to stop Nessera is give me money.
And that's a different type of edging.
dan friesen
Because I have to fight it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And there's nothing to fight here.
It's waiting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, these are terrorist edging in opposition to each other.
dan friesen
So, we have one more clip here, and I think that Alex's take on this is basically just what we've seen.
It's obvious that he thinks it's fake.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But the way he's talking about it has these layers of dynamics.
And I think that maybe this will develop more over the coming days back in 2003, and we'll see about that.
But for now, Alex has to be wrong about this.
alex jones
But remember...
The bath party is who's been put back into power.
They've been very quiet about that, but he has admitted.
The majority of those in power are high-level bathists.
jordan holmes
Wow.
We need to go back and see what it was that we said at the very beginning.
Because I wasn't sure, but I think I jokingly said, I bet he's just going to keep on saying it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think I did say that.
dan friesen
I think I probably disagreed with you.
They're like, yeah, there's going to be a way to shift things around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but nope.
Just gonna...
Yeah, fuck it!
I'm gonna go with it!
dan friesen
In December 2003, this is still his position.
That the bath party is being installed in all the powerful positions in Iraq.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
It's very disconnected.
jordan holmes
Astonishing.
Yeah.
A 13-year-old me would have been like, come on, man.
dan friesen
And it goes to show how little the audience sort of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it has to be.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
That should be a glaring thing.
This is a months-long thing he's been wrong about over and over and over and over and over again consistently.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The reality does not penetrate.
jordan holmes
I mean, on the other hand, it's not like they are necessarily...
I mean, nobody in the States at that time was very well-versed in, like, here's how you teleport the bath party.
True.
It's very easy for them to be like, yeah, but that is the bath party.
What are you going to say?
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Pre-invasion.
dan friesen
And what is a better cover for putting the bath party in all these positions than purging the bath party?
jordan holmes
Than removing the bath party.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It doesn't get more brilliant to scheme than to remove the bath party in order to install the bath party.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is right 99% of the time.
jordan holmes
And has been since the beginning.
Man.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and we still don't have the predictions for the coming year 2023, but I'm on the beat.
Yeah, of course.
As soon as we know, we will bring you those predictions so you can live your life accordingly.
jordan holmes
We've got to have those.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, we won't know in which month Chicago will be nuked this year.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We don't know if it's going to be a summer of rage, a fall of rage, spring of rage.
jordan holmes
It could be a winter of discontent.
All things are possible in this situation.
dan friesen
So we'll keep you posted on that.
But until we come back shortly, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, we are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yes, we will be back.
But until then, I'm Leo.
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm thrilled to play this great new DJ Dan Arkey song for you all to enjoy.
jordan holmes
Okay, I can't do the show.
alex jones
There's too many people in here.
Go to rebroadcast!
jordan holmes
God damn!
unidentified
You know, they say horses are psychic and that's been proven.
alex jones
Fuck the horse you rode in on.
Probably 150 women or more.
That's conservative.
Not that I've ever stomped anybody's guts out.
Actually, I have a couple times.
unidentified
It's not too nice.
How many people have you physically killed?
jordan holmes
None.
unidentified
North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbor He rented a boat when we went out on Lake Austin.
alex jones
And I was like, God, what is it I'm supposed to do?
unidentified
And it was like, go after Glenn Beck.
God, those communists are amazing.
alex jones
The Democrats that are just bills destroyed half our dams.
About 97, 98% accurate.
We rarely have technical difficulties.
unidentified
They buried me in that gray tomb that knows no sound.
Twice right, but I'm still alive.
alex jones
People come out of dark alleyways with girls in wheelchairs ramming them into us.
We're in danger.
dan friesen
We need your prayers.
unidentified
I can actually shift psychic awareness.
alex jones
Dogs are psychic buffers.
Way more psychic than we are.
unidentified
This ship called Minerva.
alex jones
Fallen technology.
Terturbation.
unidentified
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can.
alex jones
I'm not ready to start the show.
unidentified
Perhaps I may become a highwayman.
I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm the prophet of Matrix.
Or I may simply be a single drop of rain.
But I will remain.
I am that Messiah, what can I do?
alex jones
The cult of Selene.
jordan holmes
It's a Satan cult.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's a cat.
No.
unidentified
I love you.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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