#757: December 13, 2022
Today, Dan and Jordan check in to attempt to cover Alex's misguided attempt to bring Nick Fuentes back for a debate after the antisemitic interview with Ye. Predictably, it got super antisemitic again.
Dec. 16, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:44:28
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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And enjoy. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
|
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, bud? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is beard oil. | ||
| Beard oils! | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I've decided that, hey, man, maybe it's time to take... | ||
| I don't know, caring about myself at all. | ||
| Pampering myself into consideration. | ||
| You know, it's never been a part of my repertoire. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so I thought about it. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I have this beard. | ||
| What can I do with this beard? | ||
| I guess I could, like, make a little... | ||
| Sure, you could do little things in the little braids or something like that. | ||
| But I don't think that's me. | ||
| No, it's not you. | ||
| I don't think that's my style. | ||
| You have yet to become a pirate. | ||
| And so I've decided to explore beard oil. | ||
| Beard oils. | ||
| Listen, a few years, I was never a big lotion guy. | ||
| A few years ago, my wife, she really, and you know what? | ||
| It's better. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know what the hell. | ||
| Skin should be moist. | ||
| Why in God's name did I grow up in a place where they're like, nah, men have hard, tough skin. | ||
| Like, screw that! | ||
| I want to smell good! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| I have tried this out, and so far I notice no difference. | ||
| But why would I? | ||
| I don't feel my beard. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| I don't have a mirror in front of me. | ||
| No. | ||
| It did smell of pine cones for a while. | ||
| It hit hard with the smell of pine cones. | ||
| There's a bit of Vicks VapoRub aspects to it, yes. | ||
| Poof, right in my face. | ||
| Anyway, I have two varietals here. | ||
| One is a pine cone situation, and the other is like a vanilla lavender-ish tea. | ||
| Ah, I like it. | ||
| And so, yeah, I'm going to, I don't fucking know. | ||
| Put some oils in your beard! | ||
| That's what you're gonna do! | ||
| So what about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is we saw Banshees of Inishrin, which is... | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's done by the guy who did Imbrouge. | ||
| So it's Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson just being good acting at each other. | ||
| When you're talking to me and you say something like that, I'm like, that could be a movie. | ||
| That could be a band. | ||
| It is a movie. | ||
| That could be an art installation. | ||
| That could be a number of things. | ||
| No, it's Imbrouge. | ||
| I think he did Three Billboards Outside of Ebbing, Missouri, too. | ||
| That one's really, really good. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| It's just great. | ||
| It's in Ireland. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Here's the story. | ||
| Here's the entire story. | ||
| One day, this old dude is like, I don't want to be friends with this guy anymore. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Movie. | ||
| Over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wow, that's gotta be a slow burn. | ||
| It's a short plot synopsis, but you will enjoy it. | ||
| Is it an ending of a friendship that leads to a lot of calamity? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, it's a traditional Irish tragedy in which it's very, very funny and nothing good happens to anyone ever. | ||
| See, I was imagining a movie where the actual end of the movie is the end of the conversation. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| It's like my dinner with Andre. | ||
| But at the end, they hate each other. | ||
| My last dinner with Andre. | ||
| That would be a good one. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| And it is December 13th, 2022. | ||
| Blackjack. | ||
| This is... | ||
| No, you bust it. | ||
| You bust it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is an episode where Alex does a stupid thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He decides that after the yay interview that he did with Nick Fuentes, he decides, hey, why not have Nick back on? | ||
| To talk about things. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Maybe see what kind of common ground we can find. | ||
| See if he doesn't... | ||
| Maybe he's trying to bring him back from the dark side. | ||
| Have you considered this is a reverse Vader situation? | ||
| Or more accurately, a Luke Skywalker and his nephew situation? | ||
| I didn't think that because it's not. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And it very clearly wouldn't fit any of their psychologies. | ||
| Definitely not. | ||
| So it's a situation where Alex has done this interview with Ye where Ye denied the Holocaust and talked about how he loved Hitler and all this. | ||
| And Alex was like, hey man, use code. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Lie better! | ||
| Yeah, he was like, nah. | ||
| Not interested. | ||
| Lie! | ||
| It's what we all do! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| And also, Hitler is wonderful. | ||
| No, you don't understand. | ||
| If you don't lie, then it makes it look really obvious that we are lying. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| It penetrates the market bubble that we have. | ||
| Yeah, come on, man! | ||
| And so they did that interview, and then Alex went on Steven Crowder's show and started complaining about how he'd been done dirty. | ||
| And how everyone was criticizing him for doing this interview. | ||
| And it was very sad. | ||
| And Crowder consoled him. | ||
| And then Nick Fuentes came out and did his response where he said that Alex got a call. | ||
| Right. | ||
| From the Jewish handlers or Jewish backers that Alex has. | ||
| And so that's the prelude to this interview. | ||
| I guess that Alex had heard that Nick had said this and decided, why not have an interview debate about this stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's a really bad idea. | ||
| No, it's a great idea. | ||
| No, because he's so smart and charismatic and talented. | ||
| Alex is going to be able to scream him under the table. | ||
| There's no chance that anybody can beat him. | ||
| I mean, if it's a screaming match, then yeah, I do think that there's a good possibility of that. | ||
| But no, it's never just a screaming match. | ||
| And from something of an optical perspective, just the fact that Nick is coming back on is a loss for Alex and a win for Nick. | ||
| I have the mind that the dynamic that's going on here is that Alex thinks... | ||
| That Nick is somebody who can be reasoned with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He believes that Nick is willing to play the game of using code and all that because that has been done in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex was able to do business with him for a couple years. | ||
| He went on the Stop the Steal tour with him and Ali Alexander. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so I think that Alex is inviting him back on to give him a, like, look, come on. | ||
| We have this. | ||
| We've done this before. | ||
| Get back into the fold. | ||
| Yeah, why are you being so overt? | ||
| We're scammers. | ||
| That doesn't work. | ||
| You're not better than us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're all scammers, and just because you think you're doing something different, you're fucking not. | ||
| Yeah, and at the same time, Alex needs to give some kind of a performative pushback to the proceedings. | ||
| This episode is tough because... | ||
| Full disclosure, we just recorded most of it. | ||
| Yeah, we did about it. | ||
| And then decided, this is beating a dead horse. | ||
| As is our want, we did about two hours, and we were like, that is just right. | ||
| But it's too much. | ||
| Yeah, and there was a lot to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so on the fly, essentially, just decided we're gonna streamline this thing so it's not the same thing over and over again, being like, hey, Alex is doing a bad job of this. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| Here's another way of saying Alex is doing a bad job of this. | ||
| I'm gonna throw this out there. | ||
| For anybody who's afraid. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is still a white supremacist. | ||
| He did not suddenly change his tune. | ||
| No. | ||
| Totally still. | ||
| It is too much of that. | ||
| Way too much. | ||
| And so we have pared it down. | ||
| We've called an audible! | ||
| So before we get to that audible.com, there's a sponsor. | ||
| Don't you dare. | ||
| Let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, audible.com. | ||
| New wonk. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Boo! | ||
| First, help! | ||
| I'm a raving anti-Semite whose balls are stuck to his leg. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Shershten. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| I've subjected you to so much of Alex Jones as a result of the show. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Lord Argy Bargy is only here for sweary carry. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, it's a me, Mario Speedwagon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I whiffed at delivery. | ||
| Let me try that again. | ||
| It's a me, Mario Speedwack! | ||
| You don't have the falsetto. | ||
| Your voice is too deep and sonorous. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Next, a fruity little necromancer. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so this is very exciting. | ||
| Some nuptials have happened. | ||
| And I say have happened. | ||
| A little in the past. | ||
| My favorite part about this. | ||
| Is that because we've already done this, I already forgot exactly what it was that we were doing. | ||
| That's how long and how easily we forget. | ||
| This is why maybe we could just do the same episode over and over again. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| You don't remember anything? | ||
| My memory is flighty. | ||
| So I'd like to announce to you once again the celebration of the nuptials of Miranda and Josh. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Got married on, just a little before Halloween. | ||
| Just a little before Halloween. | ||
| October 29th. | ||
| Congratulations, and I now declare your wedding to be a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Super sucks. | ||
| So bad that we felt it was beating a dead horse to point out how bad a job he was doing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It is not our fault. | ||
| It's not our fault! | ||
| You know, much like me playing these clips for you, it's not my fault. | ||
| It's not your fault. | ||
| It's partially my fault. | ||
| It's partially our fault. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, maybe better improvisers could have found more unique ways to express disappointment. | ||
| Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. | ||
| But we are not them. | ||
| No. | ||
| So a lot of this is going to be basically just a discussion of Nick's debate with Alex and then also the failings on Alex's part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I didn't want it to all be that. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so in the period before Nick shows up... | ||
| It's a no man's land. | ||
| There's not much going on there. | ||
| It's kind of just a lot of Alex laying track. | ||
| There's a lot of Alex trying to prepare the audience to accept Nick's arguments as not being bigoted. | ||
| Alright, now I get why you would say that anti-Semitism is bad, but the ADL is bad too, and I think they're worse than anti-Semitism. | ||
| So, even though I disagree with Nick Fuentes... | ||
| Maybe we'll agree with some things. | ||
| On a scale of 1 to 10, Nick is a 1 and the ADL is an 11. That's basically the kind of thing he's doing. | ||
| He's trying to give the audience an excuse for if they like what Nick is saying, why it's okay. | ||
| If this resonates with you, it's not because you're a bad person that wants to murder an entire race of people. | ||
| It's because... | ||
| It's tough to watch the ADL do things. | ||
| It's tough that they're so bad that Nick is good. | ||
| Hitler is great. | ||
| It's so weird how that happens. | ||
| And one other thing that happens is that Alex takes some calls. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And one caller in particular is completely off topic and this is just sort of an amuse-bouche for us. | ||
| Racism doesn't slow down. | ||
| Get ready to hear about a DMT trip that brought revelations of cyber Satan. | ||
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I just want to talk about... | |
| What I call the rise of the AI antichrist and the current, like, normalization that the transhumanist media is giving it with shows like Westworld. | ||
| I'm not sure if you've seen that the last season just came out. | ||
| No, I've seen a few episodes of the earlier seasons. | ||
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Yeah, so they didn't bring in this type of stuff until, like, the later seasons. | |
| And where it gets weird is, like, back... | ||
| Back in the day when I used to hit some heroic doses of DMT and stuff, I feel like I was given some visions of the Armageddon and the Antichrist. | ||
| I became aware of Satan's plans to manifest himself into our plane via artificial intelligence. | ||
| All civilizations eventually end in humans attempting to summon Baal into our plane, or Satan. | ||
| All civilizations? | ||
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All of them. | |
| All of them. | ||
| 100%. | ||
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Monitor every decision and action humans make with the devices. | |
| And it steals our art, our culture, our literature, our ideas, and then says that it's giving it to us. | ||
| It's like stoplights are the most powerful form of AI currently because we interface with it and follow its orders. | ||
| It's very primitive, but we give it power by following its directives. | ||
| We do it because it makes sense. | ||
| Collectively, we decide to do it. | ||
| But AI is only as powerful as we make it. | ||
| Thank you so much for the call. | ||
| One of the things that I think the audience is deprived of is that when you're incredulous about things, I just nod. | ||
| This guy's talking about, you know, I had this heroic dose of DMT and I saw, I think I was given a vision. | ||
| I'm just like, yep, yep, absolutely. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| Stop it! | ||
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No! | |
| This checks out, absolutely. | ||
| Alright, alright, okay, okay. | ||
| Yeah, so Cyber Satan is coming and it's going to trick us into thinking it wrote our books. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I appreciate whenever people are trying their best to like... | ||
| Rectify their mythology of, like, you know, the revelations are coming and the Antichrist and all that stuff with reality of, like, we're developing super intelligent machines that are probably going to outpass us eventually. | ||
| Like, we just know that they will sooner or later. | ||
| You know, it's a matter of mathematics, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The scaling problem will eventually go to the place where they do have more intelligence than we do. | ||
| Still not God. | ||
| I would say that if you are gearing up to have a little debate with a guy who may or may not be a Nazi, It really is funny that you're taking a call like this seriously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe it's a bad sign for you being the kind of show that can handle that kind of material when you're taking DMT Cyber Satan Revelation guy. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| And being like, this is a call. | ||
| Great point. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| No, you're totally right. | ||
| Every civilization has ended the moment they tried to summon Ball. | ||
| They tried to get Ball over here. | ||
| The moment... | ||
| Listen, what happened to Gaul? | ||
| Summoned Ball. | ||
| Gaul and Ball. | ||
| Gaul and Ball. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| If it rhymes, it's probably... | ||
| Probably mythology. | ||
| It's the sign of the times. | ||
| So one of the things that is critical to understand here is that Alex is lost before anything even begins. | ||
| This is before Nick has even started the interview slash debate and Alex is fucked. | ||
| I'd like to give Nick some time to give his views. | ||
| We really haven't talked much other than briefly Sunday about him coming on today, about what he thinks really went on there. | ||
| Because some people thought I staged that and I was in on it or something. | ||
| No, I didn't know what was going on. | ||
| It's kind of like Trump didn't know what was going on to a greater extent. | ||
| I knew who I was meeting with. | ||
| And then I had seen clips of Nick saying he didn't support Hitler. | ||
| It actually wasn't anti-Semitic. | ||
| He just didn't like what some of the Jewish mafia is doing, claiming everybody's a Nazi, doesn't agree with him. | ||
| So I just kind of saw this really as an enigma of what's really So uncensored, unfiltered, Nick Foyntes joins us. | ||
| It's an enigma. | ||
| You should censor and filter him. | ||
| I would censor and filter him. | ||
| I think it would be helpful. | ||
| I think that Alex is setting the stage for Nick to be able to make whatever argument he wants, and Alex will have no foot to fall back on. | ||
| It's an irresponsible presentation. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| To say uncensored, you know, like, ah, uncensored. | ||
| But, like, there's some times where you're like, let's censor things. | ||
| Let's do a little censoring, just a tad, like maybe the Holocaust denial. | ||
| Censoring that, you don't get to say it. | ||
| Yeah, it's not, it's... | ||
| You know, when you want to talk about all sides, we hear all sides of a debate. | ||
| I don't know if that side is something that we really have a use for anymore. | ||
| Here's what I would say. | ||
| I would say that eventually all debates end when there is an answer. | ||
| Yeah, when we come to a conclusion. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So there's no need to debate anything about this whatsoever. | ||
| Yeah, I think to do so... | ||
| Is indicative of your position. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| By talking about it, you have already explained what's wrong. | ||
| By treating a Holocaust denier as potentially right, and having something to add into this conversation, you have... | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Go away is how you treat Holocaust deniers. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Nick talks a little bit here at the beginning about the responses to the interview. | ||
| And he's just pulling out some of these classic tricks. | ||
| I really can't say enough positive things about him. | ||
| But with regards to the appearance on your show, what I've noticed is that Ye has started this conversation with the DEFCON 3 tweet about the Jews. | ||
| He went on your show, and he said that he loves Hitler. | ||
| And what's, I think, the most remarkable about this is everybody is fixated on the remark. | ||
| What did you mean by DEFCON 3? | ||
| What did you mean by you love Hitler? | ||
| What do you love about Hitler? | ||
| What does DEFCON mean? | ||
| Is that a threat? | ||
| And so on. | ||
| And he's done several interviews. | ||
| He did an interview with Piers Morgan, with Lex Friedman, with Tim Pool, with you, with Gavin. | ||
| And in all the interviews, it's so focused on the Hitler. | ||
| It's focused on the Jewish. | ||
| And for a lot of people, they might say, oh, well, of course, that's an outrageous thing to say. | ||
| It's so provocative. | ||
| And maybe that was the intention. | ||
| Maybe it was about publicity. | ||
| Maybe it was staged. | ||
| But if you listen, if you listen to what the man is saying, he has said, what got us to this point? | ||
| I think that it's almost, it says something in itself that the conversation is about the remark rather than all the... | ||
| In my opinion, far more outrageous things going on all around, which is that right now the ADL is shaking down Congress. | ||
| So if you listen to all of his interview, I mean, it's mostly what led us to here is grievances. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just weird things about Ye's personal life that he's decided to blame Jewish people for. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And, you know, Nick's complaint that these interviews were all like Hitler and Jew stuff. | ||
| Is silly, because he and Ye did that. | ||
| They were the ones who went, let's talk about Hitler! | ||
| That was their idea. | ||
| I've listened to a lot of interviews on Alex's show, and outside of that ingredient, being Ye and Nick, it usually doesn't go that way. | ||
| It was an anomaly. | ||
| You know, it is interesting. | ||
| Nick did accidentally bring up a good point. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| When people asked Ye, what did you mean by that? | ||
| It is a dumb question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's indicative of not propaganda or anything along those lines, but it's indicative of our culture being one where if you take what someone says at face value, you are a rube. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I mean, on TV or something along those lines. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, because so much troll shit is all over the place, and everybody, like, they get off on saying something, and then you take them seriously, and you're like, oh, I didn't need that. | ||
| It was just being a fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you don't need to ask what he means. | ||
| He said what he means. | ||
| That's what he means. | ||
| And he was very clear. | ||
| Absurdly clear. | ||
| And clarified a number of times. | ||
| Multiple times! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But the trick that Nick is using here is just this really just very, very simple thing that's painfully transparent once you notice it. | ||
| What he's doing here is that he and Ye came into the Infowars studio and went to all these other platforms and they said all this shit that was just over-the-top anti-Semitic. | ||
| They went as far as denying the Holocaust. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| This naturally has prompted a response from people who find this shit abhorrent, and they've gotten a lot of criticism for this over-the-top anti-Semitic shit. | ||
| Now, Nick is coming back and he's saying, look at all these people who are so focused on the anti-Semitic over-the-top shit that we said. | ||
| Isn't it suspicious that all this feedback that we've gotten has been about the Jewish stuff? | ||
| Doesn't that kind of prove that we were right to begin with? | ||
| Like, why aren't they talking about all this other stuff? | ||
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Like... | |
| Yay, being weird about his trainer. | ||
| Yay, why are you, uh, why are you addicted to pornography and blaming it on your ex-wife? | ||
| Can I ask you that question? | ||
| Second question, how are the Jews involved with that? | ||
| Maybe you should deal with that. | ||
| The backlash that Nick wanted to provoke is being used to give the appearance of credibility to his initial points, namely that Jews run everything and that they're trying to crush yay and all the people who would speak out against them. | ||
| Um... | ||
| I think this trick is so prominent in, again, that troll-y sort of ecosystem where it's like you do say something inflammatory. | ||
| You elicit the response that people would naturally have taking what you say at face value. | ||
| And then you're like, I can't believe that everybody's so focused on responding to the thing that I said. | ||
| Do you know what it is? | ||
| Is the thing that I hate so fucking much. | ||
| It is the dude. | ||
| Who texts like, hey, do you want to go out? | ||
| I think you're hot or something. | ||
| And then they're like, no. | ||
| And he's like, oh, I was just kidding about that. | ||
| I didn't actually want to do that. | ||
| Fucking terrible. | ||
| You're a coward. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So at the end of that last clip, Nick said that the ADL is shaking down Congress. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And here's what he was talking about there. | ||
| Right now, the ADL is shaking down Congress. | ||
| For $500 million. | ||
| I don't know if people realize that. | ||
| Submitted an appropriations request in response to the interview we did. | ||
| Now you've got, you know, whether you thought it was entertaining, whether you thought it was revolutionary, you have Ye with a mask on, with a yoo-hoo and a net saying, I love Hitler. | ||
| And the ADL is shaking the cup with Congress. | ||
| We need $500 million to fight anti-Semitism. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| He's been banned from the bank. | ||
| He's had his deals shut down by Nike and Adidas to the tune of billions of dollars over 10 years. | ||
| And the list goes on and on and on. | ||
| I hear what you're saying, but then that's what people ask. | ||
| And I don't think this is the case. | ||
| That is Ye secretly like an ADL operative to get them funding. | ||
| So we're going to talk about that when we come back. | ||
| You can see there how Alex has a mission and it's to create absurd distractions in order to keep the audience from focusing on the central point and why any of this matters. | ||
| At least when these kinds of issues are being discussed and when he needs to provide cover for bigots. | ||
| I can't imagine anyone being seriously concerned that Ye's whole thing has been a false flag to get the ADL more funding. | ||
| For what it's worth, the ADL made the appropriations request that they're talking about, that Nick is saying, like, oh, it was in response to us? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They made that request in April. | ||
| It's an application for grants, and the $500 million increase involves their nonprofit security grant program. | ||
| This is something that the ADL runs that, quote, provides nonprofits with the capacity to increase their defense against threats, including physical security and cybersecurity capacity and coordination. | ||
| in reaction to his and yay's interview but that talking point just isn't true it's self-aggrandizement that makes it look like oh the establishment is so scared of these things that we're doing and yes in as much as people are scared that this rise um in in uh bigoted It's not that they're scared of... | ||
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The quote-unquote truth of what you're saying. | |
| I feel like Alex should have been like, 500 million? | ||
| That's not that much. | ||
| Compared to what I owe. | ||
| Hey, listen, buddy. | ||
| If all they want is 500 million, put it in the bucket. | ||
| It's a drop. | ||
| I need three times that. | ||
| Ain't shit to me. | ||
| So, one of the things that is always bad when you're dealing with someone like Nick, who at this point has literally no reason not to just be pretty upfront about things, you don't really want to ask them cut and dry questions. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so Alex decides he's going to do that. | ||
| And he asks, hey man, do you admire Hitler? | ||
| Smart! | ||
| Smart question! | ||
| I can't imagine him thinking this would go any other way than it does. | ||
| In my view, let's just get the Hitler thing out of the way. | ||
| Do you actually admire Adolf Hitler? | ||
| In some ways, yes. | ||
| And I'm not a national socialist, and I wouldn't identify that way because I'm a Christian. | ||
| So I'm not any kind of a socialist or a fascist. | ||
| I, like Ye, believe we should have a Christian government. | ||
| It's a Christian country. | ||
| God runs the world. | ||
| We should have a government in accordance with that. | ||
| But honestly, I don't share this histrionic Jewish view that Hitler is this exceptionally boogeyman, evil figure. | ||
| The 20th century is full of violence. | ||
| The 20th century is full of authoritarian ideologies run rampant, and that's a product of modernism and liberalism and all kinds of trends. | ||
| But this idea that my life is in any way impacted by... | ||
| Hitler. | ||
| I have a lot more animosity for the ADL. | ||
| I have a lot more animosity for the ZOA. | ||
| I have a lot more animosity for the groups that have actually made my life and the life of my family materially worse personally and across the board. | ||
| How have they done that personally, Nick? | ||
| I'm sick of being expected by Jewish media and Holocaust museums to beat my chest. | ||
| Like you kind of did the other week and said, I hate Hitler! | ||
| Of course Nick has more animosity for those groups because he doesn't have animosity for Hitler. | ||
| Yeah, he likes Hitler. | ||
| So, Nick expressed support for Catholic fascist governments in the past, and his views of Christianity are entirely compatible with theocratic fascism. | ||
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| He knows that. | ||
| He's just lying to Alex's audience to be more palatable. | ||
| They do not like the word fascist. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| They get it thrown at them a lot. | ||
| What they would prefer is that you call it Sharia law, and that Nick Fuentes is the new Ayatollah. | ||
| That's what they would prefer. | ||
| They would rather do that, because it's completely different from what they want. | ||
| Nick's construction of his feelings about Hitler historically, it's a meaningless statement. | ||
| He's coming at this with a position that's kind of close to there are a lot of bad figures who did bad things in the 20th century and Hitler is just one of them, which might be something that's okay to say if you hadn't just made an entire media campaign out of expressing your love for Hitler. | ||
| People aren't expected to beat their chest and say they hate Hitler. | ||
| Alex did that performatively because Ye came on his show and said that shit and Alex was trying to protect his branding so the audience didn't run away. | ||
| I've never once felt the need to beat my chest and say I hate Hitler, but maybe things are different when you're a media figure who keeps saying you like Hitler. | ||
| Maybe if that's your reality, people will want you to walk it back because it's insane and dangerous. | ||
| You know, okay. | ||
| Maybe it's subjective and unique to Nick's experience. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'll give you, what, I think it's Godwin's Law that eventually... | ||
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I think so, yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, something like that. | ||
| I'll give you that. | ||
| Let's take it out of there. | ||
| I've never been asked to thump my chest and say that Ceaușescu was bad. | ||
| But if a single person came up to me and said, you know, Ceaușescu had some good ideas, I would run away from them as fast as I could. | ||
| Because that's bad. | ||
| You must beat your chest and say that Slobodan Milosevic was bad. | ||
| No, he was. | ||
| He was. | ||
| I don't need to beat my chest. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| But if you say he wasn't, that's the problem. | ||
| Well, it raises some questions. | ||
| It does. | ||
| So, Nick has gone out on his Twitter spaces, and he said that Alex got a call that made him turn on Ye and himself. | ||
| Yes, he got him. | ||
| And so, this is discussed. | ||
| Alex really wants to know, like, hey man, did you make that call? | ||
| Did you say that I got a call? | ||
| I legitimately hate Stalin, hate Mao. | ||
| Hate Hitler. | ||
| Hate the ADL. | ||
| Hate Barack Obama. | ||
| Hate the Democratic Party. | ||
| And I've always, remember me on Piers Morgan? | ||
| I didn't get a call from the ADL when I was on Piers Morgan, the most popular thing he ever did. | ||
| The biggest thing CNN did that year, they had the ratings. | ||
| They had like 50 million viewers for that. | ||
| Their average show had like 10 million back then. | ||
| And I said, Hitler took the guns. | ||
| Stalin took the guns. | ||
| Mao took the guns. | ||
| And if you try to take our guns, 1776 will commence again. | ||
| I have always criticized Hitler. | ||
| I've made documentaries about the Bush family helping fund Hitler and the British royalty. | ||
| So where we have a sticking point is that Alex got the call as you sent out on social media. | ||
| And I'm just curious, do you think I actually got a call to come out and criticize Hitler? | ||
| Do you think that's a new thing for me? | ||
| No, no, I know that you're very vocally anti-Hitler over the years. | ||
| I know that you're more of a libertarian, and so you have this view of history which lumps in together Mao, Stalin, Hitler as authoritarians versus freedom fighters, capitalists, you know, Georgia, Washington, Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| So I'm familiar with your show and all of that. | ||
| And honestly, it was a little bit glib. | ||
| You called me baby Hitler. | ||
| I said you got a call. | ||
| You know, quite honestly, it's banter, but it is well known that you don't really talk about this issue. | ||
| You're more talking about New World Order, Bill Gates, and these sort of obscure conspiracy theories like Bilderberg. | ||
| My show's a lot more focused on, you know, what you might call the Jewish question, which is what are we to do about this Jewish elite, these Jewish gangsters that run our Christian country? | ||
| And I think that's a debate that should be had. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| So, apparently, this shit-talking that the two of them did is a primary issue for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And really needs to be hashed out, which is just as easy as Nick being like, hey, we're talking shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You said that, I said this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now that we've squashed that beef, I just want to remind you that I want ultimate power to remove Jews from this earth. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I want you to be reminded that I mean this. | ||
| Yeah, just in case you were wondering, I don't think you got a call because I do want to murder all the Jews. | ||
| Wait, no, hold on. | ||
| So this is a devastating moment for Alex. | ||
| There's three things in that clip that I think are a real problem for him. | ||
| The first thing is that Alex is coming face to face with someone who is smart, quick witted, charismatic and understands the Infowars talking points. | ||
| Nick watched Alex in the past, so he knows what Alex preaches. | ||
| And because of that, he's going to be able to brush aside these narratives really easily. | ||
| You can see the way that Nick presents himself as talking about high-minded things, whereas Alex traffics in obscure conspiracy stuff like the Bilderberg Group. | ||
| Nick is asserting himself as high status here, and also putting Alex on notice that he isn't afraid to bring up the Bilderberg group himself, and if Alex does, he better be careful, because I might know some stuff about this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is... | ||
| Your Jedi mind tricks aren't gonna work. | ||
| It is like he's been doing his homework for his whole life watching this shit, you know? | ||
| Like, Alex... | ||
| It's like the Douglas Adams thing in Long Dark Teeth... | ||
| No. | ||
| So, there's an electric monk sitting on a horse. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Now, the horse, tons of thoughts all about the electric monk, right? | ||
| Now, the electric monk, it's easier to sit on top of something and never have a single thought about it. | ||
| Like, that kind of thing. | ||
| Like, Alex has sat on top of Nick Fuentes' bullshit, he's put it on his dumb website, and he's never watched a single second of it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely not. | ||
| Not one second. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Not a second of his show. | ||
| He's never watched the America First. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Yeah, he's not concerned himself with that because he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Yeah, he does not give a shit. | ||
| Whereas, yeah, Nick knows what he's dealing with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex doesn't know what he's dealing with. | ||
| No, it's borderline... | ||
| I would practically know what Alex is going to say before he says it because he says the same shit every time. | ||
| He does say a lot of the same shit. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the second thing Alex should be worried about is Nick saying it's well known that you don't really talk about this issue. | ||
| If anybody is familiar with the way the Nick and the Groypers went about confronting Turning Point USA, they would hear some similarities between this. | ||
| There's a resonant echo that's there. | ||
| The third thing is that Nick literally said that his show deals with the Jewish question, and Alex said there's a good debate to have there. | ||
| No one, and I mean no one, outside of white supremacist, white nationalist, or neo-Nazi communities uses terms like the Jewish question, or the abbreviation JQ. | ||
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| That ain't a dog whistle, that is a bullhorn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| That is a big old bullhorn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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For Alex to either not grasp that or hear it and go along with it is damning. | |
| It can only mean that he's either in support of Nick's anti-Semitic ideology or that he's in no way equipped to have these conversations. | ||
| And every time he does, he's just going to get run over by the person he's interviewing. | ||
| It's very, very bad. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's no... | ||
| If you say the Jewish question, interview over. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| It's you saying, the question is, what do we do about a race of people that I think are biologically evil by birth from Satan himself? | ||
| That's not a question of, like, do we give them better schools? | ||
| That's not how that's gonna go. | ||
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No. | |
| No, there's nowhere to go once these kinds of things have been uttered. | ||
| And it gets worse. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| As Nick... | ||
| And I would call the FTX folks and the federal regulators who all involved in this basically are Jewish, who are out there doing that, are criminals who happen to be Jewish who are hiding behind Judaism. | ||
| But I don't then blame the average Jew for that. | ||
| So I think that's the difference. | ||
| Kind of like when Ye and you were on... | ||
| With Gavin McGinnis, and he's like, well, you know, blacks commit as proportionate more crime than the other group, but you don't just blame the average black person. | ||
| Do you just not trust a Jew when they come in the room? | ||
| And yeah, he goes, yeah, I just, I don't, you know. | ||
| To me, that's what I'm saying is, I do believe in Martin Luther King, that we judge individuals by who they are and what they do, not by what color they are or where they're from. | ||
| But, go ahead. | ||
| I agree with that in principle, but we also have to understand that it's not that these people happen to be Jewish. | ||
| I think that's the big source of the disagreement. | ||
| What we're told in the last few weeks when Ye makes these remarks about the Jewish media or Jewish Hollywood or so on is, well, these are individuals. | ||
| These are people that we've got to name them individually, and these are people that happen to be bad, or rather they are bad and happen to be Jewish. | ||
| But I think there's something about their Jewishness that makes it this way, and I think that that is really the source of the disagreement. | ||
| See, when somebody says the Jewish question, that's why you end the interview, because it leads to this. | ||
| And at that moment, right there, Alex should just be like, I got nothing. | ||
| I can't do this. | ||
| I've clearly failed. | ||
| I've fucked up. | ||
| We've gotten to this point. | ||
| You just said Jewishness is itself a problem. | ||
| You're fucking bad. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Yeah, if you're Alex, you've tried to suggest to Nick that he's making a composition fallacy, where he takes the characteristics of an individual and then applies it to an entire group, and Nick says, nope. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| There's something about being Jewish that makes a person bad. | ||
| At that point, you've reached a disagreement that words will not solve. | ||
| If you're Nick at this point, you have to be thinking that you're crushing Alex. | ||
| He didn't bat an eyelash when Nick said the Jewish question. | ||
| Nick has reaffirmed his admiration for Hitler, and now he's rebuking Martin Luther King's ideology in favor of anti-Semitism, and Alex has nothing. | ||
| He's just floundering here, giving Nick 101-level responses that are basically softballs. | ||
| It's pathetic to see, really. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's such... | ||
| That's such, like, a thank God that it's not me and Nick in a room together having this quote-unquote debate. | ||
| Because that's throwing hands talk. | ||
| I mean, just say it to my face. | ||
| That's throwing hands talk. | ||
| It's at least we're done here talk. | ||
| I mean, at the very least. | ||
| At the least. | ||
| At the least. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| At the least. | ||
| So Alex tries to get a question out. | ||
| And one of the things that he seems really preoccupied with is this notion that there's a conspiracy going around that Ye is secretly fundraising for the ADL. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so Alex is trying to get that question out, but then he reveals something that... | ||
| What about what I asked earlier that I forgot to get back to? | ||
| The ADL wants $500 million. | ||
| They want more control over society because of Kanye West, Ye's little comments here. | ||
| I get he's obviously not a threat. | ||
| He doesn't control people's bank accounts. | ||
| That's a joke. | ||
| But then people say, is Ye really working for them to first wear a red hat, say he's a Trump supporter, and now come out and do this? | ||
| I've been around him. | ||
| I've talked to him a lot. | ||
| For a long time. | ||
| And I really don't think that's the case. | ||
| Just to clear this up, I saw some of your supporters saying, you know, Nick is so nice and got Kanye to his office and got him on air and introduced him to Kanye and to Ye, and then Jones did all that to poor Nick. | ||
| I've been talking to Ye for a long time. | ||
| He never come on the show. | ||
| I gave his number to... | ||
| Other folks to come on to Milo Yiannopoulos. | ||
| He got Nick Foyntes in touch with him. | ||
| So people want to blame me for this whole fiasco. | ||
| I got some involved. | ||
| But that was me saying, here, get them on their shows. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Go where you want to go. | ||
| They wanted to talk to them. | ||
| I gave them the number. | ||
| That's shocking. | ||
| You know, as the history books will be written. | ||
| Alex, the central hub in the middle of these wheels. | ||
| If you want to blame Alex for something, you have a good argument. | ||
| And I'm not sure where that ends. | ||
| What you have to blame Alex for, like, literally throughout your day, you might experience something that you probably could argue is Alex's fault. | ||
| You sound like you're about to do a class action lawsuit commercial. | ||
| No, I'm just saying that look at all the shit. | ||
| You may have a case. | ||
| He's been involved in all this fucking shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's very strange to consider. | ||
| I have some concern or worry that these kinds of bigots and folks would find each other naturally at some point. | ||
| Their orbits aren't that big and they kind of overlap, so there's a chance that Fuentes and Ye would meet at some point. | ||
| But in the real world... | ||
| The way it did happen was that Milo wanted to talk to Ye because he was excited about the anti-Semitic shit he was putting out. | ||
| So he contacted Alex. | ||
| Alex got him in touch. | ||
| And then Milo brought in... | ||
| Because Ye wouldn't go on his show. | ||
| So Milo got him and brought Fuentes in. | ||
| And now they've got the thing. | ||
| And now Milo's gone. | ||
| Milo's out. | ||
| Because they're all fucking stupid. | ||
| How do you... | ||
| Well, I think that that is a hallmark of chaotic campaigns. | ||
| I mean, you remember all the intrigue about who's in... | ||
| I just wouldn't have expected Milo to last that short. | ||
| He's the mooch of Ye's. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| The Scaramucci! | ||
| So yeah, Alex has been so central to so many things too. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| The problem is, it is most likely a coincidence. | ||
| He's the Forrest Gump. | ||
| To me, it's a little bit like the Beatles. | ||
| The time was ripe for a thing to happen. | ||
| And if you remove the Beatles, you're going to have something Beatles-like take their space. | ||
| The monkeys. | ||
| Well, probably not the monkeys. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They were pretty good. | ||
| They were bad. | ||
| But if Alex was gone, the what if of this gaping hole ripped into our society, if Alex was not there in the past, is so huge. | ||
| Well, you know, conceivably you'd still have Rush Limbaugh and all that stuff. | ||
| So that takes care of a lot. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| But yeah, there are peculiarities of Alex's psychoses and his idiosyncrasies that really do end up affecting things. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| And his marginalization through so much of his career has led to him associating with so many... | ||
| People that Rush wouldn't associate with. | ||
| He's connected to so many... | ||
| He was just oddly positioned at the right time to be the right piece of shit to do this. | ||
| And there's maybe an argument to be made in a much larger four-dimensional sense of what he was placed into was the reason that his downfall occurred. | ||
| You know, like, if he hadn't been the person in that place at that time, then maybe his life would have gone differently. | ||
| Or, I mean, it absolutely would have gone differently, but maybe it wouldn't have been his self-destructive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Probably. | ||
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| So, look, a lot of the pushback that Alex is giving is not good. | ||
| It doesn't help make his points. | ||
| Sometimes it even helps make Nick and Ye's points. | ||
| And a lot of the time, it is just these softballs that Nick can handle no problem. | ||
| Like, hey, is Ye secretly fundraising for the ADL? | ||
| It's like, this is worthless. | ||
| This is a waste of time. | ||
| So we skip to Nick boosting Ye for president. | ||
| And Alex gets a little bit concerned. | ||
| He's like, man, what about Rand Paul? | ||
| And Nick is so-so on Rand Paul. | ||
| We're supposed to believe our two options in 24 are going to be DeSantis and Trump. | ||
| And DeSantis, I think you like him. | ||
| I'm not really a huge fan. | ||
| And Trump, like I said, in a very moderated form, sort of low energy. | ||
| I still love him. | ||
| I'd still die for him. | ||
| I still... | ||
| I think he's a great hero and one of the great Americans, but he's not the same guy that he was in 16. Everybody recognizes that. | ||
| He is! | ||
| You're not! | ||
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You fucking idiot! | |
| Part of what's so exciting for me as a young guy in the last couple months with everything that's going on is here's something out of all the stuff that we were put through, you and I, in the last two years and many others. | ||
| Between January 6th and the pandemic and BLM and the election fraud, here's finally a light at the end of the tunnel. | ||
| Here's finally a North Star, you know, West, maybe a West Star. | ||
| Here's something that we can finally look at and actually get excited about. | ||
| Sure, what do you make of Senator Paul? | ||
| And what about... | ||
| You know, I like Rand Paul. | ||
| I like him a lot. | ||
| I met him, actually, in 2016, and I actually worked. | ||
| Maybe I didn't work on his campaign. | ||
| I think I campaigned with Cruz, actually, during the Republican primary in 16. But I was an early supporter of him, and I'm talking about when I was a senior in high school. | ||
| But I was a supporter of his. | ||
| I still am. | ||
| I think he's very intelligent. | ||
| But he's a libertarian, and he's just not really my kind of conservative. | ||
| I know you're more libertarian, so I think there's more overlap. | ||
| I'm really more in favor of bringing back a very strong Christian flavor of nationalism. | ||
| I don't know that I love that term. | ||
| I feel like it's being hijacked, but I want the government to be Christian, and I want us to have a true nationalism. | ||
| So it's a little bit stronger than this. | ||
| Well, we certainly shouldn't have an anti-Christian government. | ||
| That's your response. | ||
| That's what he's got. | ||
| Yeah, okay, so we've got a North Star in Ye, who we can all follow, and Alex's response is, what do you think about Rand Paul? | ||
| Just like, let's go off on that. | ||
| And then this, I want Christian nationalism. | ||
| And I think the term nationalism is hijacked. | ||
| By who? | ||
| People like Alex, maybe? | ||
| No, by you! | ||
| I think he might be implying that it is people like Alex. | ||
| And his response is, we don't want an anti-Christian nation. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great, bro. | ||
| That exchange was exactly like if somebody asked their dad what they think about Ye, and their dad was like, what do you think about Zeppelin? | ||
| I think that if Zeppelin hadn't have been there, that some other Zeppelin-like band would have. | ||
| But it is so just like, man, you are far away from the conversation that I am having right now. | ||
| But that's intentional. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| That is a smoke bomb. | ||
| Oh, he wants to get out of there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Don't say more about why we should follow yay. | ||
| So, they go to commercial, and they come back, and Alex plays a clip from a mid-November episode of America First, Nick's show. | ||
| Now, in fairness, this was a clip that they took from Right Wing Watch, so it's not like Alex watched Nick's show. | ||
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| This clip is incredibly fucked up, and... | ||
| I listened to the episode, or parts of the episode that these clips come from, and they are not out of context. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I will assure you, they are in context and incredibly fucked up. | ||
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| And I don't know why Alex played this. | ||
| When it comes to the Jews, here's the silver lining. | ||
| It tends to go from zero to 60. Like, they're not wrong about that. | ||
| But there's a reason for that. | ||
| And the reason is them. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| When it comes to the Jews... | ||
| Every society where shit has gone down with these people, it always goes... | ||
| Yeah, censor shit. | ||
| And never starts with burning all the Talmuds in Paris. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| It never starts that way. | ||
| But frequently, it seems to end that way. | ||
| And it gets there very rapidly. | ||
| Doesn't start there, but it frequently ends there. | ||
| But I would say that the Jews... | ||
| Had better start being nice to people like us. | ||
| Because what comes out of this is going to be a lot uglier and a lot worse for them than anything that's being said on this show or has been said on this show. | ||
| In spite of the fact that I have been bullied by the Jews and I have been oppressed and slandered and lied about and attacked by the Jews, I have been completely precise for the most part and even-handed. | ||
| And nuanced about my view about the situation. | ||
| And I'm also a Christian. | ||
| Which is going to matter. | ||
| Because it could be a lot worse, I'm going to say, than this show. | ||
| And what's going to come out of this could be, like I said, it could be a lot uglier than what we say on the show. | ||
| I know that there are other people that are going to push farther than that. | ||
| Once this conversation really starts, and the Jews are going to look at people like me in America first and say, damn, I miss when it was just that funny guy, and we pushed so hard, and this and that, because history has shown that once this train gets going... | ||
| So, I don't know why Alex would play that, because it reveals something to the audience, and that is, this is how Nick talks. | ||
| On his own show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's talking fairly similarly on Alex's show, but a little bit looser. | ||
| He has the Jews should be nicer to me because it's going to get worse later. | ||
| Laughing about it going from zero to 60. Once these conversations get going, which Nick, even by his own admission, is trying to get these conversations started. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it gives a pretty particular image of what Nick is, who he is, what he believes. | ||
| I don't understand why, if you're listening to this or watching this show, you hear that. | ||
| Why would you believe for a second Alex is sincere in his, like, well, you don't really mean this. | ||
| You're saying this for shock value. | ||
| Or, hey, ADL is worse. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| Sometimes I have to humble myself and I have to say thank you to people that I wouldn't otherwise. | ||
| So I do want to thank Nick because the only reason I am not in jail right now is that he has never come anywhere near me. | ||
| So I am grateful. | ||
| Probably has. | ||
| He's from Chicago. | ||
| If he has, we're both very lucky. | ||
| We're all very lucky people sitting here right now because if you say that, I wouldn't say it. | ||
| I wouldn't say it. | ||
| Well, I mean, like... | ||
| My advice. | ||
| It's, again, the kind of thing that when one says it, words are not going to help. | ||
| This is not something... | ||
| You're extorting Jewish people because you're threatening a Holocaust! | ||
| This isn't something that you argue... | ||
| You can argue somebody out of. | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe if they get to a point where they can recognize the awfulness and what they're actually in and be like, oh, I should probably try and change, then I think there is a possibility for people to change and recognize that kind of stuff. | ||
| But if you're arguing with Nick, if you hear somebody say this, you're not going to win an argument. | ||
| You don't need to engage. | ||
| That, to me, I don't understand why there would even be, like, what is it about this person, Nick, that Alex sees as worth trying to have some sort of a conversation with? | ||
| You have to ask that question. | ||
| And it's not a question that leads you anywhere other than Alex has a tacit agreement with Nick about this. | ||
| He won't... | ||
| He won't be as overt as Nick, but they're on the same page. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What if, and this could just be because I grew up in a very cartoon-heavy era, what if we hit him in the head with a frying pan? | ||
| Like an El Cabang situation? | ||
| Now, I'm not saying that it 100% works, but... | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| You would have to prove that getting hit in the head with a frying pan made him anti-Semitic in the first place. | ||
| Because then the hitting of the frying pan could undo it. | ||
| Like the coconut falling on top. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, perhaps Alex accidentally hit him with a frying pan when he was a young child. | ||
| So Alex feels this personal guilt. | ||
| That's why he got him the show. | ||
| That's why he put him on band TV, you know? | ||
| I look forward to your cartoon. | ||
| It's going to be a good one. | ||
| A deep lore clearly established. | ||
| And it's written by philosopher Scott Adams. | ||
| So Alex has this need to defend his own conspiracy world to Nick, because throughout this, Nick is also not buying Alex's shit. | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| Like, Alex is bringing up, like, oh, the WEF, the World Economic Forum, they're behind everything. | ||
| That's a forum. | ||
| Who goes to the forum? | ||
| They're all controlled by Jews. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Alex is just getting busted all over the place with his own narratives not being able to stand up to someone who... | ||
| knows them and doesn't buy it. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so Alex tries to defend it and it doesn't work. | ||
| Again, you really, I think, spoke to it earlier in the last hour where you said, well, you're off over there on these kind of side issues of Bill Gates, the WEF, and, you know, this stuff. | ||
| But, you know, we're over here with the Jews. | ||
| The WEF and the big corporations, the New World Order and Xi Jinping are mass murdering people, are bringing in tyranny and lockdowns and world IDs. | ||
| And controls, and whether they're Chinese or whether they're German or Jewish, I'm just opposing these tyrannical objectives, and I kind of want a big tent for all of that, and I just think it's a First Amendment, but I do think it's dangerous to then sit there and just invoke all of this and say that Jews are the powerful Jewish mafias who basically run the world. | ||
| I mean, is that what you're saying? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think they do. | ||
| I don't even think it's really disputed anymore after what happened to Ye in that clip that you played with Greenblatt from the ADL. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| I mean, he was somebody who even in 2018, four years ago, was saying things that are regarded as politically incorrect. | ||
| And people throw that around. | ||
| They say, oh, that's politically incorrect. | ||
| Like, it's this broad, nebulous thing. | ||
| It's actually very specific. | ||
| He said, like, partisan, conservative talking points in 18, and he was just fine. | ||
| And he went on Tucker Carlson, and he called out China and called out a lot of things, and he was just fine. | ||
| Then he switched up on the Jews. | ||
| He was banned from Fox News. | ||
| He was banned from Daily Wire. | ||
| And I don't have to go through the whole list, but we've all seen the cascading effect of this Adidas deal cut, gab deal cut. | ||
| His bank froze. | ||
| Tens of millions of dollars. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's unbelievable. | ||
| If that doesn't prove it, and then the ADL is going around now, and they're not just fundraising, but they're passing around a letter in Congress, and they're demanding that nobody give him a platform. | ||
| They're getting him kicked off Twitter. | ||
| I don't know how much more clear Nick could be with Alex. | ||
| Like, he rejects Alex's conception of the world. | ||
| He's expressed fundamentally different views of policies he'd like to enact. | ||
| And he subscribes to an ideology that Alex's audience will be very susceptible to. | ||
| This is one of the most ill-advised interviews Alex has done. | ||
| Probably not as bad as Ye, but I think it's worse than Spencer or David Duke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Also, how much was Ye being left alone back in 2018? | |
| Doesn't he complain all the time about people getting him hospitalized because of... | ||
| Supporting Trump? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It seems like Nick is just selectively rewriting history in order to accommodate his anti-Semitic conspiracy. | ||
| And also, he was only fine when he went on Tucker because they edited out all the stuff that he said. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's nonsense, man. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, right now I'm feeling like that story you told of the red card, yellow card, the kid who ate it. | ||
| Like, what do you think? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you eat the yellow card, I'm gonna eat the red card. | ||
| Come on, I have to. | ||
| If you ask me, do you sympathize with Hitler? | ||
| Do you find him? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| I'm gonna eat the red card. | ||
| That's what I'm here for. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Do you believe Jews run the world? | ||
| Yes, obviously! | ||
| I'm gonna eat the red card! | ||
| Shit. | ||
| What do I have to do? | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to express to you that I mean this stuff. | ||
| You played a clip of me laughing about it going zero to 60 and that the Jews better be nice to me because there's worse stuff coming. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you not get it? | ||
| You have all the information. | ||
| I gave you all the clues, Alex. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| If this is an escape room, it's just a door. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex tries another narrative here, and it surprisingly also falls flat. | ||
| But how do you square it up that Jews in Israel have been under the most draconian lockdowns in the world after China and have been given the deadly shot and one of the highest death rates from the shot? | ||
| I mean, if they're all powerful, why is this biomedical tyranny targeting them and doing that to them? | ||
| Well, I think that that's just a symptom of the elite. | ||
| I think that's a symptom of hubris. | ||
| I don't know, for example, that the vaccine is created to kill people or something. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| The COVID thing is very complicated. | ||
| There's a lot of journalism to be done there. | ||
| Just kind of like Bill Gates at WF, Alex is off on a side tangent. | ||
| The shot's not the centerpiece of their takeover. | ||
| Yeah, get mad. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Show some backbone. | ||
| Erases your immune system, and Israel is the worst country for being given the poison shot. | ||
| Their lockdowns are the second worst. | ||
| Well, it wouldn't even make any sense because if they were going around giving everybody the vaccine and that's supposed to take out everybody, well, who are the most vaccine hesitant? | ||
| Who's going to be remaining when they're... | ||
| And don't get me wrong, I think the shot is deadly. | ||
| I didn't get vaccinated at all. | ||
| But the idea that this is some kind of... | ||
| That the Georgia Guidestones are dictating global politics, I think is just ridiculous. | ||
| And I think it's one of these things that... | ||
| Well, I mean, a consortium led by the founder of CNN put that up. | ||
| I mean, they do believe in depopulations. | ||
| I'm saying, Nick, there is a larger depopulation globalist agenda. | ||
| And that gets into who funded Hitler and how they set him up and this powerful group that's next level. | ||
| It's the transhumanists, man. | ||
| To me, that's what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, I just don't know how convincing that is. | ||
| I think when you look at these raw demonstrations... | ||
| How convincing Hitler was for government push euthanasia? | ||
| If Alex was paying any attention to Nick, he wouldn't think that this was a great point to bring up. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's pretty amazing to see how little respect Nick has for Alex's entire worldview. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He doesn't agree with Alex on fundamental, base-level aspects of reality, so without addressing that, this conversation is convoluted. | ||
| Alex can't convince Nick of anything because Nick is a reasonably smart person and he's not one of Alex's trapped audience members. | ||
| Alex's flimsy distractions and nonsensical conspiracies work on his listeners because they're not really processing what he's saying and almost every guest that he has on is a fellow con artist so they just know how to play along. | ||
| Nick doesn't care about pretending to agree with Alex's stupid shit because he has his own agenda to advance. | ||
| So you have a rejection of fundamental elements of Alex's world being voiced comfortably and confidently on the show by someone Alex has complimented as smart repeatedly. | ||
| That's a problem, and it's why you see Alex begin to interrupt Nick more at this point in the interview. | ||
| When he hears, I don't know how convincing that is, Alex knew he couldn't let that sentence continue because Nick is about to explain why Alex's idea is unconvincing, and that is dangerous. | ||
| Alex's ideas aren't supposed to be possible to disagree on because they're based on discernment and documents and divine revelation. | ||
| If Nick continued down that path, Alex would be unable to show his world to be real at all, and he'd be forced to fall back on outbursts and theatrics, which looks bad in comparison to Nick being calm, collected, non-confrontational for the most part, even keel, and I just don't think even those tricks would work. | ||
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I mean, it is... | |
| If you're going to get into a fight, alright? | ||
| Maybe you should try fighting with your best sword. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, Alex is trying to fight with a... | ||
| A floppy little pool noodle because I don't know what he's even trying to do. | ||
| But I think that's all he has in his armory. | ||
| No! | ||
| He has got scream at this dude's face, get a head of steam in you, cut him off every time, and make him run away. | ||
| But I think Alex knows that that's not going to work. | ||
| Then keep on going! | ||
| Make it an entire fucking train wreck of a thing. | ||
| You've only got one sword. | ||
| You're flopping around with a pool noodle, so you might as well bring a sword. | ||
| It's interesting because I don't know how much Alex does know this, but Nick has a lot of experience in those online debates that do just deteriorate into screaming at each other. | ||
| And it makes me wonder, if Alex is aware of that, then he would know that Nick can handle someone yelling at him and he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's intuition, but just like... | ||
| I don't think Alex is much up for the screaming at him. | ||
| It does. | ||
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Yeah, but you know, again, you're on home court. | |
| You can mute him. | ||
| You have control over all this. | ||
| You can make this kid look like a fucking idiot. | ||
| Unless Alex is afraid of losing some kind of an access to yay or possibly alienating Nick's audience who are notoriously hostile. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he's going to go into a fight. | ||
| With a pool noodle. | ||
| As a sort of sacrificial lamb, almost. | ||
| In his own words, the only way to win is not to play. | ||
| He does like that quote. | ||
| So, Nick not only is going to disrespect Alex by just, like, your ideas are not convincing, he's also going to make fun of his sales pitches. | ||
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All right. | |
| We got hard satellite breaks. | ||
| I'm sure the Gropers will say that was all a big conspiracy, but our breaks are at 16 and 29 and, like, 46. So we had to go to break there. | ||
| The point you were making, Nick, when we went to break, please continue. | ||
| Yeah, between you and Tumorik95, I'm getting killed in this debate. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You were bringing up Stephen Crowder. | ||
| I know, no. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| I'm giving you a hard time. | ||
| But the point I'm trying to make is... | ||
| I'm somebody who everybody knows me as the Holocaust denier, anti-Semite. | ||
| I talk about other things other than that, too, but that's sort of what I'm billed as, labeled, categorized. | ||
| Won't you see that I'm so much more than just a Holocaust denier? | ||
| What disgusts me about him so much is this... | ||
| Fucking camouflage of ambiguity with humor. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You're not actually funny. | ||
| And you fucking know it. | ||
| And the reason people like him is because when he says these funny things, they know he's being honest about them. | ||
| There's a sincerity behind that attempt at humor. | ||
| Yeah, it's not ambiguous. | ||
| You're just putting a different lilt on your voice. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex wants to... | ||
| Impress upon Nick that Judaism is not one thing. | ||
| There are a multitude of people of different opinions and different backgrounds that are all contained within the collective of Jews. | ||
| I feel like this is going to go well. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, it doesn't? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I mean, you would have every reason to think it would. | ||
| It seems like it's unbeatable. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| This one, turns out, does not work. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So, like, you're saying the Hasidic Jews? | ||
| I mean, one of the biggest groups of Hasidic Jews doesn't think Israel should exist. | ||
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I'm going to eat the red card. | |
| So, I think it's more complex, Nick, than what you're saying. | ||
| I agree with you that there are Jewish factions, but the one thing that they're all on the same page about is that they're all on Team Jew. | ||
| Om nom nom nom, that's a delicious card. | ||
| And this is a well-known thing. | ||
| You go to Israel, and they literally spit on Christians. | ||
| And it's so tragic that there are so many... | ||
| Everybody goes to the same wall! | ||
| These are not the Jews of the Old Testament. | ||
| These are rabbinical Jews. | ||
| And I talked about this on the Yeh interview. | ||
| They believe in the Talmud. | ||
| So yeah, I have not been to Israel myself, but I do know a number of people who have been, and I've gotten reporting of spitting on zero of those accounts. | ||
| Seems like a strange... | ||
| Now, I could be wrong. | ||
| Perhaps he's talking about when Saladin took over. | ||
| Could have been then. | ||
| I would have spit... | ||
| Listen, if I was in Saladin's army, I would have spit on some Christians. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| I think that your sort of insight of the, I'm about to eat the card, is so right. | ||
| It's just like, you can feel in the setup of Alex's, the way he's saying it. | ||
| It's like, you're walking into me saying something fucked up. | ||
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This is going to happen. | |
| What are you doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Well... | |
| You can say a lot of things about Alex, and we have, and we will. | ||
| Continue to. | ||
| But one thing that you can't say about him is that he's interested in unity. | ||
| But you can say that he constantly pretends to be interested in unity. | ||
| 100% you can say that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You say this whole thing about Bill Gates is a side issue. | ||
| No, that's the central issue, and I see this whole leftist thing saying America's Hitler and... | ||
| You know, the leftist groups are Captain America. | ||
| I see it just as what it is. | ||
| And I just hope that all of us can come together and transcend the cashless society and the world government, the forced injections and the imploding borders. | ||
| And I'm just trying to get everybody together on those issues. | ||
| Instead of obsessing about different groups all day. | ||
| You know, there's whole groups that think Catholics run everything. | ||
| And I don't think that's the case. | ||
| And I don't think that Jews run everything. | ||
| I mean, who do you think runs China with a billion, 500 million people? | ||
| I think the Chinese run China. | ||
| And I think that's why, I mean, there are problems in China, but China is a country that is fighting ruthlessly for its own self-interest. | ||
| And you could say that it's a tyrannical state, but China's always been a tyrannical state. | ||
| They're a different kind of society. | ||
| The Chinese people are very collectivist. | ||
| They're very societally minded. | ||
| They're very obedient and deferential. | ||
| And that's their culture, and that's who they are. | ||
| But there's no question that the Chinese Standing Committee... | ||
| And Xi Jinping are going out to bat every day to get great trade deals for China in the way that our Jewish leaders in America are not working for people in Oklahoma and Iowa. | ||
| Does anybody believe the Hollywood Jews in L.A. and the finance Jews in New York and the government Jews in D.C. and the ones in South Florida, does anybody think they care at all? | ||
| They give a damn about people in Texas or people in Kansas or people in Iowa? | ||
| They don't. | ||
| In the same way that... | ||
| You could say Putin or Xi Jinping care, I think, about their countrymen, or Assad cares about the people of Syria. | ||
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Heee! | |
| Alex was not expecting that answer. | ||
| Alex was expecting Nick to say that Jews run China, and then Alex could argue with him about it, but unfortunately, Nick has a different worldview. | ||
| I mean, just pathetic. | ||
| Just fucking pathetic. | ||
| You mean Alex's display here? | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Put them all together. | ||
| That is so disgusting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck you. | ||
| One, that's not an answer from Nick. | ||
| That's a Lindbergh fucking stump speech. | ||
| Join Hitler. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Well, I will say it is an answer and then not an answer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In as much as who do you think runs China? | ||
| I think the Chinese run China. | ||
| Then that's where the answering part stops. | ||
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You're right. | |
| And then it deteriorates into fucking Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex decides he's going to give a little bit of a rebuke. | ||
| You know who my favorite businessman was? | ||
| Henry Ford. | ||
| So let me tell you, what was that? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Alex has a, what I want to describe as a pool noodle of a rebuke that he gives to Nick. | ||
| Well, I wanted to have the actual intellectual decide of this discussion here today. | ||
| And, you know, I personally think that everybody that gets sucked into this black hole is giving power to it. | ||
| And that's what some of the sinister forces manipulating groups want. | ||
| And I think we have to transcend things on policy and ideas and actual issues and the fruits of the tree. | ||
| We're going to go to break here in a few minutes. | ||
| It's your chance. | ||
| Unfiltered, folks. | ||
| We don't screen the calls. | ||
| Just have a good, clean phone line. | ||
| Tell us where you're calling from and don't cuss. | ||
| Those are the rules. | ||
| Don't cuss! | ||
| Dan! | ||
| We're talking about genociding an entire people! | ||
| We don't want to make it gross with cussing! | ||
| It's a family show. | ||
| So Alex's whole thing was that he wanted to take a bunch of calls with Nick, but weirdly, there's like 20 minutes left in the show at this point, and he hasn't gone to calls. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| They end up taking like four. | ||
| So this is about as close as Alex gets to condemning Nick's views, and it's the weakest position possible. | ||
| He has no actual criticism of what Nick has said. | ||
| He just thinks that there's a black hole that people get sucked into, and that's what the sinister forces, I guess the globalists, want. | ||
| This is boilerplate shit, and it means nothing. | ||
| to transcend things on policy, ideas, and actual issues. | ||
| None of that has happened on the show at all today. | ||
| Nick has been pretty clear about the policies he'd like to explore in this and other appearances. | ||
| He wants to abolish the First Amendment, wants to create federal laws regarding where Jews can and cannot work, and basing most of the government's decisions on a rigid fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity. | ||
| If Alex actually wanted to transcend things, whatever that means, in the realm of policy, he could have started there. | ||
| Defeat Nick's desire to ban pornography and even sexy images in the battlefield of ideas by explaining how that attack on speech It's the simplest thing in the world. | ||
| It's Alex's marquee issue. | ||
| And instead of even taking that much of a risk, Alex just moped around, building defenses for the horrible shit Nick says, and then using the First Amendment as a shield for why he and Nick shouldn't be criticized for having this conversation. | ||
| It's coward shit, even if you entirely buy into Alex's worldview. | ||
| If you're a listener of his show and you believe all of it, you should be watching this interview and questioning whether or not Alex is the champion he pretends to be because he seems like a loser little titty baby. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Honestly, it's very, very sad. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I mean, in my head, the argument could be you don't want to piss off Nick because it'll alienate his white nationalist fans. | ||
| That's the fear. | ||
| Or they'll attack you or something like that. | ||
| In my mind, If I'm Alex, here's the only thing I have control over. | ||
| I have control over my show, you know? | ||
| And I have got to dominate this kid because I'm more afraid of people not listening to me because I got my ass beaten by a 12-year-old. | ||
| Well, I think it's too late. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| At this point, certainly in the show where they're at, it is too late. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| Perhaps when he said there was something about Jewishness that makes these people bad, or when he referenced the Jewish question. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Those could have been times when you would assert that control over your own show. | ||
| Should have been. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When you're like, alright, well, the First Amendment does allow you to say these things because the government isn't arresting you. | ||
| So I'm going to make a decision about the kind of content that I am willing to put on my space that I have control over here and get the fuck out. | ||
| But Alex didn't do that because for some reason. | ||
| And their stupid conversation boils down to him being like, oh, I think it's Jews who control our country. | ||
| And Alex being like, that's stupid. | ||
| A shadowy group of people is convincing you to talk about it being Jews is the problem. | ||
| It's a shadowy group of people. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Again, you know, it's so painfully obvious, if you look at these things, that the yay interview was Alex desperately being like, use code. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Please. | ||
| We can make so much money. | ||
| Use code. | ||
| This is going to be great. | ||
| I bought a money printing machine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he's talking to Nick, it's the same thing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's just use that code. | ||
| Come on, buddy. | ||
| Shadowy group. | ||
| I mean, he might as well be tapping a sign that says shadowy group. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So Alex tries to sum up his point here. | ||
| And let me just make my point here, and then I'm basically done debating and arguing all this. | ||
| I don't judge Nick Fuentes, even though I disagree with him, on some issues here. | ||
| Because you can't have the left viciously saying that white people are inherently the devil. | ||
| I have stacks of articles here where major universities in Michigan, California, New York are going to make white people wear badges that digitally track them and don't let them go in certain areas. | ||
| And who's running that? | ||
| The ADL. | ||
| The ADL at their last three conferences said I'm the number one enemy. | ||
| We track the lawsuits, the attacks, everything to them. | ||
| But I'm not going to blame the average Jew. | ||
| For what that horrible mafia is doing to me and my family. | ||
| who actually used Hitler tactics. | ||
| In the process of trying to sum up his point, Alex uses fake stories to exaggerate the oppression of white people in order to make Nick's ideology not look so extreme. | ||
| See, now listen, I know it sounds crazy for Nick to want to genocide people, but the ADL wants to genocide people, so it seems like Nick's a great guy. | ||
| That whole thing about white people wearing badges, I think it was from a 2022 midterm election attack on Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers. | ||
| Evers had worked as the superintendent of the Department of Public Instruction between 2009 and 2019. | ||
| At some point during that span, the DPI worked with a group called Volunteers in Service to America, or VISTA. | ||
| In 2013, Vista handed out a document titled Addressing Racial Privilege, a Mental Model for White Anti-Racists, which included a section that had a suggestion of wearing a white wristband that you can use as a conversation starter about your commitment to equality and acknowledgement of white privilege. | ||
| I believe that that's the story that's at the root of this. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because I've heard Alex complain about it before, and it seems like you might have exaggerated that story out a little bit to be a counterweight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, but... | ||
| You're forgetting that the Livestrong bracelets were a shadowy plot to kill people who are either L or S. Or not good at biking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Truth. | ||
| And it's exciting to hear that Alex has traced all the lawsuits back to the ADL. | ||
| I thought it was Hillary Clinton's law firm that was behind it all. | ||
| They're trying to punish Alex for supporting Trump. | ||
| Democrats for supporting Trump? | ||
| Yeah, I thought maybe it was Soros. | ||
| High-powered Democrat lawyers? | ||
| Seems like Alex has traced these lawsuits back to whoever he wants to pretend is oppressing him on any given day. | ||
| Does seem very malleable. | ||
| Pretty... | ||
| Pretty bad. | ||
| There's a rotating cast of characters taking over. | ||
| It's like everybody's got their own watch. | ||
| From 8 to 12, we're oppressing Alex. | ||
| It's smart. | ||
| So one of the things that was a roadblock in terms of our initial attempt to record this episode, I believe, now in hindsight, I realize that it was the incessant Alex... | ||
| Pointing to the ADL being bad in order to make Nick not look as bad. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Most of what... | ||
| His defenses and his arguments surrounding this is like, how can I be mad at Nick when the ADL is so bad? | ||
| And that is really what was bogging us down. | ||
| I was convinced we were beating the dead horse. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Alex was the one who was constantly doing that. | ||
| It was so repetitious that it interfered with our ability to do it. | ||
| It literally fucked with us. | ||
| You're so racist, we couldn't record the show the first time. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| I don't think it was that he was so racist. | ||
| It's that it was boring. | ||
| It got to the point where I felt like we were walking through knee-deep molasses, hearing this defense of Nick over and over again. | ||
| And, hey, look, if we have to do a post-mortem on this... | ||
| At the end of the day, some of that might come down to my fault for when I was cutting clips. | ||
| Maybe I had too many of those in, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, listen, you get this one. | ||
| I give this one to you. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| You're covered. | ||
| So Alex expresses his opposition to Nazis. | ||
| And again... | ||
| I mean, on what grounds? | ||
| Personal ones. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| Hitler's for planned societies. | ||
| I oppose that because it is an offshoot of this eugenics operation. | ||
| And I'm an expert on it. | ||
| I know all about it, and I don't just read history books. | ||
| And I'm not going to tell the whole story here, and I've never even told the whole story because it's amazing. | ||
| But again, Dallas, Texas, one side of my grandfather's family were old Texans. | ||
| The other side, the Hammonds, were Germans who'd come here pretty recently, and they were not Jewish. | ||
| They were blonde-haired, blue-eyed. | ||
| And they were in World War II, and they know what went on, and they told me, no, Hitler was bad. | ||
| And they told me what went on and how the rich Germans in Dallas, once Hitler got into power in 1933, they would blackmail German family members, not my family, but people that my grandfather worked with, and suck money out of them. | ||
| So when I heard about Hitler doing that and blackmailing people and sucking money, my family told me went on. | ||
| So I grew up actually hearing about all of that. | ||
| Then my grandfather worked in secret weapons programs. | ||
| And I only heard a little bit of it that my mom heard him talk about. | ||
| He would never talk about it. | ||
| But I remember him bitching when I'm like eight years old about in weapons projects and how he knew Wernher von Braun, all of it, and how he had to deal with these damn Nazis and how arrogant they were and how he didn't like them. | ||
| So, I mean, I grew up with both grandfathers have been in World War II. | ||
| They both dealt with the Nazis, and they both didn't like Nazis. | ||
| And so I didn't get it from Captain America. | ||
| I didn't get it from Hollywood. | ||
| I didn't get it from any of that. | ||
| I got it from my badass grandfather. | ||
| So now I look at people today like, I look like these guys were freaking badasses. | ||
| And, you know, they don't make men like that anymore. | ||
| So that's where I'm at. | ||
| But that said, you can't criticize Nick Fuentes. | ||
| I can. | ||
| This is a personal story that is like, I don't give a shit. | ||
| I don't think that this anecdotal story means much in terms of why you oppose Nazis. | ||
| One grandfather was annoyed by them, and then the other one heard something about extortion. | ||
| And also, one side of his family sounds like they were Nazis. | ||
| 100% Nazis. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Germans came here recently, not Jewish, blonde hair, blue eyes. | ||
| It seems to be... | ||
| Oh, and he said they were in World War II. | ||
| It seems to me that all of those things are Alex adding up to they were Nazis. | ||
| Those are... | ||
| That's the type of lineage... | ||
| And it also tracks with Alex saying like... | ||
| I've not told this whole story. | ||
| On the other hand, he's not quite telling it like a Romeo and Juliet. | ||
| My grandfathers were both at bitter war with each other. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| You had the Nazi lineage and then the Confederate lineage. | ||
| Boy, isn't that America? | ||
| It's the opposite of you got chocolate in my peanut butter. | ||
| It is 100% that slave owners and genociders are like, We do the same job! | ||
| This is such a smart thing we do! | ||
| We are making a bit of an assumption, but it is an assumption based on a lot of details that Alex was very suggestively saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knew a lot of rich Germans in the area at the time Hitler took over. | ||
| So, I think that... | ||
| Especially if you're expecting to enter a conversation with a guy who you clearly know loves Hitler and basically has neo-Nazi-ish ideas. | ||
| I think you should be able to articulate your opposition to Hitler and the Third Reich better than saying Werner von Braun and his buddies were arrogant. | ||
| And Nazis extorted people. | ||
| I think that this is soft, possibly intentionally. | ||
| And then second, he said this exact thing in the yay interview. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Like, Nick has already heard this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This means nothing. | ||
| Alex doesn't remember. | ||
| He doesn't care. | ||
| I mean, listen, here's the thing that's unspoken that is infuriating, right? | ||
|
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Because... | |
| What's going on here is the World War II Hitler conversation in the context of the Holocaust and all that stuff. | ||
| And yeah, Alex's defense is horrendously garbage. | ||
| I feel like even if you are an anti-Semite, shouldn't you be able to agree that flattening France is a bad idea? | ||
| That should be held against someone. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| He flattened France! | ||
| Hold that against him! | ||
| I think that's an interesting point. | ||
| And the reason that they don't mention that is because they're fine with expansionist governments flattening people that they don't like. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But I think that Alex brings this up because to him... | ||
| Subjective experience is so much more important. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, 100%. | |
| And like these anecdotal stories and stuff, that is much more reality to him than something that happened to somebody who he doesn't know, or the broader picture of the atrocities and horrors of World War II. | ||
| We're dealing with two narcissists. | ||
| I mean, Fuentes is bullshit earlier about being like, I don't care what happened in the past. | ||
| The ADL has affected my life. | ||
| Like, fuck off. | ||
| One, no. | ||
| And two, who cares? | ||
| Your life is meaningless, you shitbag! | ||
| But, maybe his comments aren't so bad. | ||
| Because the ADL is so bad. | ||
| Alex keeps saying it. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| But then, what? | ||
| He thinks better of it. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But then he thinks better of the thinking better of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is basically Alex ping-ponging with himself. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's where I'm at. | ||
| But that said, you can't criticize. | ||
| He's in the dryer. | ||
| He's been spun around so many times. | ||
| When the left is literally redlining the engine when it comes to race-based politics and the ADL is captaining it, teaching elementary students, they're inherently bad because of what color they are. | ||
| But my issue is, I'm not going to sink. | ||
| To the level of the ADL. | ||
| But I say, mess around, find out. | ||
| Like Nick Foyntes said earlier, you think Nick Foyntes is your ultimate enemy. | ||
| The support for what Ye said was 50-50. | ||
| I wanted to demarcate the fact that I'm not for authoritarianism, and I don't agree with what happened, some of the things he said. | ||
| I don't agree with the censorship and what's happened to him, but I'm not in league with that whole worldview, so that's where I'm at. | ||
| That's convoluted. | ||
| Where are you at? | ||
| Start at the beginning with where you're at. | ||
| I think if you're listening to this, it'd be pretty tough to get a sense of what that means. | ||
| I would like, rather than going on the journey to find out where Alex is at, I would like him to tell me where he's at and then show his work if he must. | ||
| He's never going to do that. | ||
| So he's saying that you can't judge Nick because the ADL is so anti-white and they're teaching white kids that they're bad because of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Alex doesn't want to do what Nick is doing because he doesn't want to sink to the level of the ADL. | ||
| But also, fuck around and find out. | ||
| Like Nick said in that clip that Alex played from America First, that these Jews should be nice to us because there's worse people coming. | ||
| So that's what Alex is hearkening to there. | ||
| And as a little bit of a cherry on top, he says the support for Ye's comments were 50-50, which is to say half of my audience... | ||
| Is Nazis. | ||
| Half my audience is Nazis. | ||
| Half of my audience has the potential to be those worst people that are coming if you're not nice enough to Nick and Jay. | ||
| It is so fucking unreal. | ||
| It is uncanny. | ||
| It is uncanny because I think of these people and I see them wearing the skin of a human and all of those things. | ||
| But when they talk to each other, this... | ||
| It lack of mirror. | ||
| This idea of, like, well, obviously the ADL is leading so much racism, and it's like, you just heard a guy say the Jewish question to your face. | ||
| You're out of your goddamn mind. | ||
| What is going on in your brain? | ||
| Something that probably comes back to that subjectivity thing, too, though. | ||
| Like, you know, there is an inability to probably process the things that you're involved in are... | ||
| As bad or worse than the things you're accusing. | ||
| Sure, but that's the thing to me that is so confusing about navigating life. | ||
| It's like, I don't know what it is that you are if you can't do that. | ||
| And that doesn't mean that I think I'm some sort of more human or they're not human or anything like that. | ||
| I don't know what I am in this context because what I think of is a person who can do a thing, you know? | ||
| And this is insane. | ||
| Well, and I think that another thing, too, that kind of muddies the waters even more is that this is, for all intents and purposes, a conversation between two people, but it's also a performance. | ||
| And as much as they know they're being recorded, it's also Alex... | ||
| Doing his show and kind of not trying any harder than he normally does. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And Nick being pretty overt and comfortable in his own position in a way that he hasn't been on Alex's show in the past. | ||
| So there is a persuasive element that Nick is bringing to it that Alex thinks that he is also bringing to it that he is not. | ||
| And that kind of... | ||
| That can kind of... | ||
| another variable to it where you accuse these people of being like, ah, this is the most horribly racist thing in the world and not acknowledge the thing that that is in that the conversation that Alex and Nick are having because it's part of the performance Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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But yeah, I mean, I think this has just been awful. | |
| It's been very bad. | ||
| Nick sucks. | ||
| Has gone as far possibly further than Ye did on his interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, I think maybe the only saving grace, if you want to even call it that, is look at how little attention this got. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is something to be said for how much this is demonstrable evidence of how much Nick needs Ye to penetrate in any way into outside. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You probably didn't even know that this happened until we started recording. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| I think a lot of people didn't, and I can say for sure, based on the number of tweets that come in, it was a flood when Ye was on, and a couple when this happened. | ||
| So I think that there is something that is like, well... | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| This is fucking awful. | ||
| It's definitely going to have an effect on Alex's audience. | ||
| And there is a real danger of him swaying some of them over. | ||
| But in terms of this having the same kind of broad effect that Ye being on had, it's less. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's less than that. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Now, in terms of Alex protecting his audience, he's not doing a good job. | ||
| And actually, he's doing a bad job. | ||
| We can go for 10 hours. | ||
| Nick, you've got to come back and take like two hours of calls. | ||
| And we'll do a commercial-free podcast some Saturday, and we'll open the phones up and take like 50 calls. | ||
| We should do this. | ||
| You've got your own show on Cozy TV as well. | ||
| Give people the URL. | ||
| Cozy.tv slash Nick. | ||
| Yeah, I'd love to. | ||
| Don't be afraid of the info, folks. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| And band.video and Infowars.com. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Don't be afraid of the info. | ||
| What the fuck just happened? | ||
| He's funneling his audience to Nick's site. | ||
| I mean, Alex just invited him to talk more. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Does Alex not know that he just got spanked? | |
| He might be in denial about it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That is an insane thing. | ||
| But if you're describing it as a spanking, it's a sort of assisted spanking. | ||
| No, that's for sure. | ||
| Alex, if he wanted to... | ||
| Could have had far more robust pushback. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He could have had any number of ideas for things to say to Nick other than, well, the ADL is really bad, so you maybe aren't as bad. | ||
| Hey, have you ever considered that maybe it's not Jews and maybe it's globalists? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| These are just the best he can do? | ||
| Alex's brand is being right. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 99. Exactly. | ||
| But the point is, you can't... | ||
| I mean, and I'm not talking about spanked in the debate like the ideas were, whatever. | ||
| They're nothing. | ||
| What I'm talking about is the debate happened and Nick clearly has nothing to be afraid of. | ||
| Nobody can hurt him from his little screen, right? | ||
| Alex is clearly afraid of tons of shit. | ||
| And it's palpable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he got spanked with. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's not certain. | ||
| He's not like, this is how it is. | ||
| He's like, maybe it could be. | ||
| Listen up, jerk. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Listen up. | ||
| You have this worldview, and I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| You're 23. Preach. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Preach! | ||
| Because what you're doing is actually damaging to the cause of the Patriots. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| You need to understand, know your role, shut the fuck up until you have some kind of life experience. | ||
| Know your role is what should be said. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And, yeah, the fact that he doesn't behave that way is... | ||
| Sad. | ||
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Weak. | |
| Pathetic. | ||
| Unbecoming. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's what would make me leave Alex. | ||
| In my head of what an Alex listener is, obviously me has nothing to do with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in my head, if I'm an Alex Jones InfoWars fan, one of the big things that I'm a fan of is that this loud, angry man is right all the time, and he's giving it to him the way that it needs to be given. | ||
| He's happy to scream at Piers Morgan. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And talk about it for the next decade. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he can't handle a little baby. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| So they take a few calls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of them is a real bummer. | ||
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I guess probably the most important point I wanted to make was, you know, in the context of my daughter, she's a 14-year-old girl. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| And she was sitting there listening to this conversation. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
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And people need to realize, especially, you know, people like you, Nick, that have an influence over younger people, need to be very careful with their words. | |
| Extremely careful. | ||
| You don't realize what kind of influence you have. | ||
| I think, honestly, this is my personal opinion, you can do what you want to, but I think you need to read the Bible cover to cover a few more times before you make any more comments. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| So Nick is super aware of his influence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tricking kids into thinking extremism and anti-Semitism are cool is legitimately the cornerstone of his marketing strategy. | ||
| That's what he wants. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it got going for him. | ||
| He was being radicalized by weirdo Nazis pretending to be teens on 4chan, and now Nick is trying to take that game and go pro. | ||
| This caller is so fucking sad. | ||
| For one, letting his 14-year-old daughter listen to this shit. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| And two, for thinking that Nick wouldn't hear a warning about the influence he has on kids as an amazing compliment. | ||
| Attaboy! | ||
| Attaboy! | ||
| I did it! | ||
| You can almost feel him laughing. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's such a great little bad dad thing to try. | ||
| You know what I'll do? | ||
| I think I can talk him down by telling him about the Bible. | ||
| You gotta read it twice. | ||
| The good word, my friend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got a lot of mixed up ideas that this good old book can solve. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| On some level, that is kind of like a real milquetoast version of the shut up until you're older kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But it's very, very... | ||
| Blah. | ||
| You know what's cooler than dancing? | ||
| The Bible, kids. | ||
| Come on down. | ||
| We've got a youth group together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this next caller is fun. | ||
| Long and short of this is, I think this guy is a Nazi supporter. | ||
| But also, he insists that Alex is German, and Alex will not accept that. | ||
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Hey, guys. | |
| Alex and Nick, good job opening up this dialogue. | ||
| Before I ask my question, I just want to say, maybe it is time for... | ||
| You know, the right conservatives to stop invoking Hitler and the left to always deflect to Hitler. | ||
| But, Alex, I gotta ask, man, don't you agree that the Germans were fighting for a better future for all of Europe in World War II? | ||
| I mean, aside from, like, the tactics of the war and Hitler, you keep repeating that you're German. | ||
| Don't you think that Europe would be in a better place now? | ||
| No, I did not say I'm German. | ||
| I say I have German ancestors and Hitler got 20 million Germans killed. | ||
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Well, that would make you German, sir. | |
| Well, what it makes me is I'm an American and a Christian. | ||
| A Christian and then an American and a father. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| Now we've got two racists who disagree about their racism suddenly being accosted by a completely different form of racism. | ||
| Racism works, guys. | ||
| And this, uh, yeah, this caller is weird. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| I can't quite place him. | ||
| But I do think that what he was expressing is that if Hitler had won World War II, things would be better. | ||
| Yes, that is what he was expressing. | ||
| That seems to be the sort of bullet point. | ||
| I just love the... | ||
| I didn't say I was German. | ||
| Your grandparents are German. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think that was also another subtle indicator is that like, no, no, no, no, you said you had one grandfather who's German. | ||
| You're German. | ||
| You're part of the Vaterland, if you will. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and these callers suck, because there is legit pushback that a caller could make on what Nick is bringing to the table within the conception of InfoWars. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or, go weird. | ||
| Great way. | ||
| Outside of the InfoWars box, there are potent criticisms that could be made based on the things that Nick's saying. | ||
| Call him out for saying the Jewish question thing. | ||
| Call him out for saying that there's a Jewishness that makes people bad. | ||
| Any of these things could be like, what the fuck did you mean by that? | ||
| Well, it's a family show, don't swear. | ||
| No, I can't swear. | ||
| But we get this guy saying, hey, think about the influence you have on kids and read the Bible twice. | ||
| We get this other guy who's probably on Nick's side, quite frankly. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then we get this. | ||
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Hey, Nick, just a question for you. | |
| Like, these are all just words, and it's so silly that we're beating each other up. | ||
| Why don't you start living in Christ? | ||
| My question to you is, like, why don't you, it doesn't have to be horse-driven, why don't you become like the Amish? | ||
| Do your own thing. | ||
| Why don't, you know, for a group, you know, the Amish live in Christ more minutes of the day than probably any group out there. | ||
| Why don't you just stop throwing bombs and start living in Christ? | ||
| That's my question to you. | ||
| Well, I don't know what that means. | ||
| I'm not Amish, so I don't think living in Christ means living in a low-tech society. | ||
| I'm living in Christ every day. | ||
| I'm a Christian. | ||
| I go to church. | ||
| I pray every day. | ||
| I pray the rosary. | ||
| And what we're called to do, we're called to go out and evangelize and tell the truth. | ||
| There's horrible iniquity and horrible injustice going on in the world. | ||
| If you're a Christian, you have to be disgusted. | ||
| At the state of our country. | ||
| Like I said, the filth in the media, the filth in our school system, the groomers, the porn, the media, it's terrible. | ||
| And to sit by and watch all these innocent people in some kind of quietest, you know, people call this the Benedict option, I think it's a dereliction of duty. | ||
| I think it's an application of our... | ||
| Jamming more calls. | ||
| I think that this guy's like, hey, hey buddy, why don't you make a fucking religious weirdo compound? | ||
| I don't want to. | ||
| Why don't you go be like the Amish? | ||
| I'm not Amish. | ||
| I don't know what you're doing, sir. | ||
| Yeah, that, like, they are in Christ more time. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Like, it's such an easy thing to say, like, oh, I don't agree with their conception of what it means to be in Christ. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, thanks for taking my call. | ||
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I guess. | |
| What are you going to do? | ||
| It's the problem with, I mean, but that's... | ||
| That's how the religious peer pressure always winds up working is somebody like Nick comes in and then they're like, hey, you know what? | ||
| I don't think you really understand the Bible and we need to learn about it. | ||
| And then somebody like Nick gets power and they're like, well, Nick says some interesting things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I like listening to Nick. | ||
| I thought he knew about the Bible, but I guess I don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I disagree on a few things, but more than that. | ||
| He says some other things that you gotta listen to. | ||
| And plus, these other folks are saying... | ||
| I think I hate this. | ||
| I don't want to just cover this stuff, but it's more or less the only thing that I find relevant about Alex's present-day behavior. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| I mean, just today, Trump came out with those NFTs. | ||
| So I do wonder what Alex is going to say about that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| But I hope that this can move on to a different subject soon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or at very least, I'll, you know, be in the past. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| When Nick's brand of Catholic fascism takes over, I refuse. | ||
| To believe that that priest actually turns that cracker into Jesus' body. | ||
| I refuse. | ||
| I'll die on it. | ||
| I will die on it. | ||
| You can hang me from the rafters if you think I'll ever say that the priest literally transforms a cracker into the skin of Jesus Christ. | ||
| I'm not doing it. | ||
| I'm not doing it. | ||
| Not once. | ||
| I think that this is... | ||
| A bad interview. | ||
| A bad debate. | ||
| Nick is escalating. | ||
| He's taking some of the things that were part and parcel of the yay interview and reasserting them to Alex in a way that Alex is... | ||
| Impotent to push back on. | ||
| Or unwilling. | ||
| We can't rule that out entirely. | ||
| Because at the end of all of it, Alex is still like, hey, I want to talk to you for two hours. | ||
| Commercial free. | ||
| Let's do this, buddy. | ||
| I want to get more in the Nick Fuentes business. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| But it was much more monotonous. | ||
| Than I thought it was listening to it. | ||
| I thought it was far more engaging and interesting. | ||
| But it is really just Alex kind of hitting the same notes. | ||
| It's the ADL is worse than you, so hey, maybe it's not so bad. | ||
| How can I criticize you when they exist? | ||
| That's the problem with the lesser of two evils argument. | ||
| Always goes bad sooner or later. | ||
| And then the other thing is the trying to be like, hey, you were trying to be sensational and trying to piss off the sound. | ||
| Defensors and all this. | ||
| Trying to give Nick excuses for him that he doesn't want. | ||
| In the same way that he was doing that with Ye. | ||
| And this doesn't bode well. | ||
| Alex's behavior does not make me confident that he's going to be able to navigate the more choppy waters that we're going to be getting into as we get closer to the 2024. | ||
| Whether or not Ye continues as a quote-unquote candidate or not. | ||
| But even if he doesn't, this isn't where this ends. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| This pageant that we're in the middle of. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And Alex, he's shown himself to not be able to deal with chapter one. | ||
| So as the book progresses, I imagine it's going to get worse. | ||
| I just feel like... | ||
| It's just so obvious. | ||
| When you watch Ye and Nick do these things with those other people, it's so obvious that they're throwing a bomb in the idea of we always need to lie. | ||
| And by doing that, they're revealing that everybody's lying. | ||
| Like, how does that not... | ||
| Sink in for people, you know? | ||
| Like, you watched all of these people reacting the exact same way to this man saying the same thing over and over and over again. | ||
| He means it. | ||
| You know he means it, and I know he means it. | ||
| And you agree with him over and over and over again, but you keep telling him to lie about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're a liar! | ||
| It does seem to... | ||
| I mean, granted, we should be clear. | ||
| We've only listened to the Gavin and Alex appearances. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Tim Pool, we give that an incomplete grade. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| That didn't get off the runway. | ||
| He's lucky he gets an incomplete on that. | ||
| But there were a couple of other interviews that may or may not have gone that way. | ||
| But in terms of Gavin and Alex, I agree with you. | ||
| That does reveal their crypto-ness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But hey, fuck all this. | ||
| Fuck all of this. | ||
| This has been a fuck. | ||
| This has been a fuck. | ||
| We'll be back, Jordan, with another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do indeed. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| Ice cubes are juicy. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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