#756: December 5, 2003
Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to discuss how Alex reports on stories ranging from wildfires to Mexican troops kidnapping American familes. Citations
Dec. 12, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:30:00
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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unidentified
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | |
| I need, I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time calling in my future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is that, you know, I'm a pretty even keel type of fella. | ||
| You are, yes. | ||
| I'm monotonous. | ||
| Some might say monotone. | ||
| I mean, you keep it level. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so I decided for fun, I'm going to get hype. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm going to force getting hyped about something in advance. | ||
| And that is that... | ||
| You trying to steal my job? | ||
| No. | ||
| Fire Emblem Engage is coming out in January. | ||
| Oh, that's right! | ||
| And so I'm going to artificially be fucking pumped. | ||
| Are you pumped? | ||
| I'm so pumped! | ||
| I'm kind of excited, too. | ||
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unidentified
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I read about it. | |
| I'm excited to play it. | ||
| It looks really fun. | ||
| But I'm going to overdo it, probably. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Just as a... | ||
| Sort of as a bit, but then also as an exercise. | ||
| See if, like, maybe hype works on me. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe you wear the skin of somebody with hype. | ||
| Right, maybe I'm like, oh, this feels right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I gotcha. | ||
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unidentified
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I gotcha. | |
| But, yeah, it looks good. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| The only thing that I'm worried about is it takes away what I loved so much about Three Houses, which was the... | ||
| It's in a school. | ||
| Yeah, where is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not in a school. | ||
| That makes things a little bit more challenging. | ||
| Well, maybe it isn't a school. | ||
| Now that I say this out loud, I have no idea. | ||
| I just saw a tiny little video. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| Anyway, turn-based RPG fun. | ||
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Hype! | |
| Hype! | ||
| Yeah, you just went from being hype all the way down to back to level again. | ||
| You gotta stay hype. | ||
| It takes a lot out of me, man. | ||
| I know, it's tough. | ||
| It is tough. | ||
| I don't have the energy for this. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is my wife and I saw Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. | ||
| Absolutely stellar. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| The movie's good, but the stop-motion animation is the best thing I've... | ||
| There's this scene. | ||
| Can you tell me what the movie is again really quick? | ||
| Pinocchio. | ||
| Okay, yeah, that's what I thought you said, but I got distracted because I saw the date and I thought it was a palindrome, but then I realized that was last year when 12, 11, 21 would have been. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I got distracted and I was like, did he fucking say Pinocchio? | ||
| So I had to clarify. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry I'm not as interesting as possible palindromes. | ||
| I'm just distractible. | ||
| I'm as distractible as I am hype. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| No, the stop motion, there's this one scene with stop motion animation where there's this floating balloon, this slightly floating balloon, the type that you know where the string is just barely touching and it's a little bit above that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's so, it's incredible. | ||
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Nice. | |
| It's mind-blowingly good. | ||
| Is it super dark? | ||
| Uh, no! | ||
| Well, I mean, it's the original Pinocchio. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| It's pretty dark, right? | ||
| It's dark as shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He turns into a donkey and gets eaten by a fucking thing. | ||
| I don't remember all the details, but I remember it being darker than the Disney version. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, it's a little bit like that. | ||
| But with Guillermo del Toro monsters, so it seems a lot darker than it really is just because his monster design is so, you know, if it was Miyazaki monsters, you'd be like, oh, this is a fun kid's story with a lot of dark elements. | ||
| But then we drifted a little closer to H.R. Giger. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then you're in the Hall of Uncanny Valleys. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to do. | ||
| We're going to be going back to the past, to 2003. | ||
| Fun! | ||
| We're going to be talking about December 5th, 2003. | ||
| And the reason for this is we've been covering a lot of stuff. | ||
| Lately, there's been the yay business, Alex's response to it, a bit of Fuentes and stuff. | ||
| I think this stuff is really important to discuss and important to cover. | ||
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Agreed. | |
| And we're not going to not continue to, nor are we going to not follow Alex in the present and such. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But I think you run the risk. | ||
| If we only talk about that stuff, it gives an overwhelming perception of maybe how uniform it is. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If our show is all that, I worry about the listeners taking in too much of that and giving the sense that we... | ||
| I think that everything all around is white supremacists and Nazis jumping up. | ||
| You need a little break from time to time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A little breaky, as some might say. | ||
| A little breaky, yes. | ||
| And I think the past is great respite. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And the present sucks. | ||
| True. | ||
| And you're not really learning anything in the present, generally. | ||
| It's kind of watching stuff and being like, uh-oh, this is bad. | ||
| Whereas when you go back to the past, there's actually like... | ||
| Illuminating things. | ||
| There are stories that are interesting that have implications. | ||
| You learn things about the way Alex, his brand has evolved over the years. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| And I think that that is something that I find far more captivating than him... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, what's interesting about the past is that when you can look at something and then see what consequences did occur, there's a lot more interesting stuff to be learned from that because you have actual evidence of what will happen if you do this thing in this circumstance. | ||
| Whereas if you stay in the present all too often, I mean, it does feel like we're... | ||
| Constantly within the same framework and minor details are changing. | ||
| Nick Fuentes hasn't said something new we haven't heard about white supremacy before. | ||
| You can get tunnel vision staying in the present a little bit too. | ||
| That's maybe a better way to express what I don't want to play into. | ||
| Listen to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| You're not going to be put in a tunnel. | ||
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We hope. | |
| That's our new catchphrase. | ||
| We avoid tunnels. | ||
| No tunnels! | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Nick B. in Austin, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Nick didn't get buttons last time, but apparently sent an email. | ||
| Nick, there's some coming out for you and your partner. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next, honky-tonk, badondy-donk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I had a number of people email me about that, about a missed opportunity. | ||
| And I feel like honky-tonk badondi wonk is better. | ||
| Eh, that's... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm gonna sit this one up. | ||
| Do you know that song? | ||
| I'm not going to adjudicate. | ||
| Do you know the song Honky Tonk Badonkadonk? | ||
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I have heard the song Honky Tonk Badonkadonk. | |
| Well, that's why I want to stay away from this because my disdain for all of it is so great. | ||
| It was a big hit at the karaoke bars back when I was going to those ones on the outskirts of town. | ||
| Oh, I recall there was a time where someone made me line dance. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Next, that awkward moment when you realize your name reminds Jordan of Richard Spencer. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, I just got accepted into paramedic school, so what better time to become a policy wonk? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| And Brandon says Emily is a policy wonk, and I love her. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| That was Brandon saying that he loves Emily, not me. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I don't know Emily. | ||
| You have not met Emily. | ||
| I don't know Emily. | ||
| You don't know Emily. | ||
| So there's no... | ||
| I mean, you don't dislike Emily either. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Complete indifference. | ||
| But any accusations that I love Emily are unfounded. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I will have none of this. | ||
| Accepted. | ||
| And finally, we're a technocrat in the next turn. | ||
| So happy winter solstice, Michaela. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Fourth start. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
|
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So we come back into December 2003. | ||
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Right. | |
| We are still in advance of Saddam being found. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, again, is what we're heading towards in this chronology. | ||
| We're heading towards that, trying to see how Alex reacts, his coverage, and the lead-up to it as well. | ||
| As we know, he believes that Saddam is still alive, which is accurate. | ||
| True! | ||
| But he believes that he has fled the country, is in Belarus, with a bunch of stolen gold and his sons who are actually dead. | ||
| It's gonna be weird to explain how... | ||
| How Saddam went from comfort in Belarus to the essential cave. | ||
| Yeah, a hole in the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It will be tough, but Alex is up for the challenge, I'm sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we start here, and Alex has a little bit of a different take on some geopolitical figures back in 2003. | ||
| Is this Putin? | ||
| Dozens die in Russian train blast. | ||
| Putin's been caught doing it in the past. | ||
| He's our number one suspect. | ||
| Oh boy! | ||
| Jesus, man. | ||
| So in 2003, Alex is very much a Putin did the bombings as a false flag pretext in order to fight the Chechens. | ||
| And so that is completely different now. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| I think one thing I like about having consistent principles is that I haven't had to change my opinion on Putin ever. | ||
| Not one time have I thought, well, maybe. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| 100% anti-Putin from the jump. | ||
| I've had some misgivings about him. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I will say that maybe in 2003, I'm pretty sure I was, I think I was 19, so there's no reason for me to have gone on the record. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I don't know, you were writing a little column. | ||
| Maybe I had a big pro-Putin day. | ||
| I did not. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So, there's another story. | ||
| Alex, you know, when we're in the past, one of the things that Alex does is he has, like, the roundup of the stories. | ||
| And then a load of bullshit for about two and a half hours. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then the last segment of the show is him repeating those headlines. | ||
| Redoing the roundup of the stories. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Gotta hit the news. | ||
| Banging it out. | ||
| And so, here are some of the stories that he has. | ||
| Here's a big one. | ||
| Also, when I saw this Toronto Star article headline, Girl 6 Locked in Dryer for Weeks at a Time, I knew automatically it would be CPS. | ||
| The way the headline was written, I knew that they would call it the mother and then bury in the article that it was CPS. | ||
| Because about 90% of the time, when I hear about someone being tortured or killed in their parent's custody, at the bottom of the article they will say that it was a foster parent or CPS. | ||
| I spent quite a bit of time trying to track this story down, but I was unable to find the actual news story that was covering this case. | ||
| But right off the bat, it can't be the CPS, because this is a story that happened in Canada, where the U.S. Child Protective Service doesn't have any jurisdiction. | ||
| They don't have extradition? | ||
| Nah. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| The Toronto Star article itself isn't online anymore, and the Wayback Machine doesn't have a snapshot of it. | ||
| But cruising around, I was able to find some other cases that Alex might want to consider. | ||
| In late October 2003, a 23-year-old mother in Somerville, Georgia was around Jesus Christ. | ||
| One of the things that I sadly learned while prepping this episode is that apparently people put babies in dryers more than you'd think, which is horrible. | ||
| Even if you grant that all the details of the story Alex is telling are true, it's still not a valid point. | ||
| There are definitely valid critiques of the CPS and foster care system to be made, and anything that can be done to protect the children in that world is a moral imperative to pursue. | ||
| The image that Alex is trying to present is that it never happens between a parent and a child, and whenever there's a headline that reads like that's the case, it's secretly a situation where the CPS is abusing children and trying to blame it on parents because... | ||
| the globalists hate families yeah in hindsight it really shouldn't come as a huge surprise that alex got caught up in shit like pizzagate the wayfair stuff and pretty much every other child abuse satanic panic we've seen over the last years he's never really taken the issue seriously so what he's doing now is more or less the natural progression of what you see even back in 2003 yeah it's a cartoonishness Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that is one of those things where I can definitely understand the desire to think that it only would be an evil organization that could do that. | ||
| That is one of those things where you want to retreat from the idea that a parent, no matter what the circumstances, could even do that. | ||
| I get that, but also, no, that's not how it works! | ||
| That's one example of a few, actually, I think, that you're going to see on this episode of places where conspiracy theories serve to make things feel more like you think they should be. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And that's maybe an underappreciated dynamic of some of the narratives. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It can't possibly be this. | ||
| That doesn't make sense to me emotionally, intuitively, or whatever. | ||
| Or even just hopefully. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Alex reads these headlines, right? | ||
| And he knows these articles. | ||
| He knows what they say before he even reads them. | ||
| And I read the article, and of course, as always, it was exactly as it normally is. | ||
| So I know what's in these articles before I read them. | ||
| That's how... | ||
| Out of control, the globalist star. | ||
| That's how it looks when you call in and start reading some article that I haven't even seen. | ||
| I guess the next line, I do that every day, you know, it's some article poo-pooing the Kennedy assassination with the government involved, or it's some article saying there's no world government, or there's some article saying surveillance is good. | ||
| They're all basically the same. | ||
| The same techniques, the same propaganda. | ||
| This is such a perfect encapsulation of Alex's methods, except he's lying about following up by reading the stories. | ||
| He just sees a headline and decides he knows what the article's about, then doesn't change his mind when presented with evidence that his manufactured narrative is based on nothing. | ||
| I think, in my mind, what happens is this, alright? | ||
| He reads a headline. | ||
| And then starts thinking of what he wants it to be, and as he starts reading the words, all of a sudden they swirl together in a magic paper and then rearrange themselves the way that he wants them to go. | ||
| But it only happens in his mind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, but it's exactly that, except for the part where he's still looking at the words while they're rearranging. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| He's already thrown that paper away. | ||
| Yeah, he's just imagining what this story is, and he's like, oh my god, the globalists are up to no good. | ||
| Yeah, why bother wait for the words to redo themselves? | ||
| You can just throw the paper in the garbage. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, Alex has some memories of fires. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he's wrong. | ||
| Wait, great fires? | ||
| They're pretty big fires. | ||
| Chicago fires? | ||
| No, more recent than that. | ||
| But he's very wrong about his memories. | ||
| A few months ago, out in L.A. and San Diego, I have the TV news and radio news reports, as well as the local news report, that admitted that most of the fires in between San Diego and L.A., where they originally started, four at one time, were set during Marine Corps and Army Joint Training. | ||
| Just accidentally, four separate areas. | ||
| Dozens of miles from each other. | ||
| Just magically, these fires accidentally started. | ||
| And then I remembered the fires last year in Arizona. | ||
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Marines in the hills doing a training. | |
| I just... | ||
| I mean, how do I even express how out of control all this is? | ||
| So the fall of 2003 was a horrific season for fires in California, which would eventually come to include 14 different fires, the Cedar Fire being remembered as the most severe of the bunch. | ||
| The first one, on October 21st, was called the Roblar II Fire, and this one was accidentally started at the Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton on the firing range. | ||
| This was a particularly complicated fire response because it was on federal land, and beyond that, just consider all the things that could explode at a marine base, and you can get some sense of how delicately fire teams needed to tread, and it ended up being pretty bad. | ||
| As shitty as this sounds, fires at these bases, it's not a... | ||
| Terribly uncommon thing. | ||
| I was able to find examples of fires breaking out just at Camp Pendleton in 2008 and 2014, and that was barely even putting any effort into looking. | ||
| I mean, I'm just gonna say, like, I feel like I've lit minor fires just existing in my own place, and there are far fewer flammable things about. | ||
| You know, like, there's a lot of people in a large amount of flammable things. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Stuff is gonna light on fire. | ||
| Especially on a firing rate. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Fire's right there in the name. | ||
| It's all fire! | ||
| So many of the other fires were smaller in nature, but they contributed to an environment where firefighting resources were spread thin, made worse by a dry season, and the arrival of some bad Santa Ana winds that made fires spread much more easily. | ||
| The Cedar Fire, which the San Diego government describes as, quote, the largest wildland fire in California history, was started, quote, when a hunter became lost and lit a small fire to signal for help. | ||
| One of the other large fires, called the Old Fire, was started by an arsonist named Ricky Lee Fowler, who burned a house down after he was kicked out of it. | ||
| The fire ended up killing five people, and in 2013 he was found guilty of those murders and sentenced to death. | ||
| Another of the large fires was the Grand Prix Fire, which was suspicious, but was called an accident by investigators in 2004, likely the result of an exhaust spark or cigarette butt. | ||
| I'm not sure what evidence Alex is basing his claims on, and he doesn't cite a single source other than his memories of unnamed news things he claimed to have seen, so it seems like maybe he's just talking shit. | ||
| If I had to guess, I would say that he's taking the fact that the Roblar II fire began at Camp Pendleton and then pretending that some of these other fires, like the Old or Grand Prix, also had military involvement in their ignition. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That seems in line with how his mind works and how he processes information. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I understood that part. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But what exactly was the nefarious evil part that was... | ||
| Like, he's saying that all of these fires got started at military bases. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Not all military bases, but all military, like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He's like, oh, see, get it? | ||
| Because it's a globalist. | ||
| Right, but I don't understand what their goal is. | ||
| Climate change or something to make people think it's worse or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So they get... | ||
| They conscript marines to start random, massive forest fires in order to trick people into thinking that global warming... | ||
| Maybe it has something to do with property values. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Ooh, gotta have that. | ||
| So Alex isn't specific about what fire he's talking about in Arizona, but I believe the one he's talking about, the big one that fits around the time frame that he's mentioning, is known as the Aspen Fire. | ||
| This fire burned for just short of a month and ended up covering over 84,000 acres of land. | ||
| and it was also in the woods which fits Alex's description initially folks thought that it was possibly caused by a lightning strike but investigators fairly quickly ruled that out as none of the telltale signs were there it's believed that it was human caused and while the definite origin isn't known. | ||
| There was a man who ended up being charged with and convicted of lying to investigators about whether or not he was smoking on the trail that day exactly where the fire was known to have started. | ||
| It's a pretty safe assumption that this was the inciting incident that caused the fire. | ||
| Or, I guess, secret globalist military exercises involved setting off giant fires for some unknown and unachieved goal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is welcome to prove that if he wants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the interest of full disclosure, the military does hold training exercises twice a year in that area in a program called Angel Thunder. | ||
| It's about personnel recovery, but it absolutely would not be taking place near the trail where the fire started. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that program began in 2006. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But... | ||
| There is that. | ||
| There is a base right... | ||
| Nearby this Mount Lemmon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The area where the fire was. | ||
| And so it's conceivable that there might have been some sort of an exercise that pre-existed Angel Thunder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But even so, investigators are able to zero in on a pretty close location of where the fire started. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it wouldn't be anywhere near where people were doing exercises. | ||
| No, that would be absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex has some work to do to prove this. | ||
| Man, you know, when you hear that fire burn for a month, you know, it's so fucking crazy to remember. | ||
| You know, we spend so much of our lives with complete mastery over fire. | ||
| You know, like, I've got an oven, I can turn the fire on and off, I got a lighter in my pocket. | ||
| We have the illusion of mastery. | ||
| And then it gets out of control a little bit and it's burning for a month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| The issue here is that these kinds of giant devastating events can be easily caused by... | ||
| And that doesn't feel right. | ||
| It's an everyday action for so many people to just toss their cigarette butts on the ground, so it doesn't seem possible that doing that could lead to tens of thousands of acres being burned and hundreds of homes being destroyed. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| But it can happen. | ||
| It can, but it's not fair, and I feel that. | ||
| I feel that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I agree. | ||
| The fact that it doesn't feel right that something so insignificant could have such severe effects can have the result of causing people to seek for explanations that do feel right. | ||
| Something as huge as a month-long fire requires Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Man, oh boy. | ||
| Of all the cockamamie screw-ups... | ||
| Well, boy, being responsible for a forest fire. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the story of the Cedar Fire one, too, is really a bummer because, you know, in some ways, if you're a hunter and you're lost and, like, you have a potential that you might die out in the woods or something. | ||
| I've seen it on TV! | ||
| Signal fires are something that survivalists are taught to do. | ||
| It's not outside of the realm of like, well, what else am I supposed to do in this situation? | ||
| And then the side effect of it... | ||
| You know, is this hundreds of thousands of acres end up burned, and it's a complete disaster. | ||
| Yeah, no, it puts all of the reality survival contest shows that I've ever seen in such a weird, like, whenever you stop and think about, like, oh, we're fucking up a section of the earth for my entertainment, you know, it messes with your head. | ||
| But the idea that it's entirely possible that one of those shows, obviously it hasn't happened, but in the future it could. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| Maybe it has. | ||
| Maybe it has! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, I mean, that would be the globalists for sure if they did it for TV. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it could. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, even on Survivor, like, there have been times when the, like, the shelter has burned down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, it doesn't spread further than that. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't for a month. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's, uh, it's, you know, I mean, I don't know how else to say it, but life is very fragile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it is emblematic of how cavalierly we've treated this whole fucking planet. | ||
| And then this season in 2003 is so fascinating because you have this cedar fire that is caused by this guy who's signaling for help. | ||
| And it's an accident. | ||
| This guy did nothing wrong necessarily. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Maybe didn't make the fire as well as he could have. | |
| Maybe there's something, but who knows? | ||
| It could have been anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You wouldn't assign moral culpability to him for that. | |
| And then simultaneously there's this old fire that is an arsonist who said it. | ||
| Moral culpability all day. | ||
| But you have these burning within the same season. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And it's easy to get... | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's hot, and then there's smoke. | ||
| So 2003 was the year of fire moral relativism, as explained. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| It took a while preparing this episode because I had those sorts of thoughts. | ||
| Yeah, you kind of got... | ||
| Yeah, that'd fuck you up for a little bit. | ||
| And then, because of this story, which blew my mind... | ||
| Just look at the types of articles I have here. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| This is a Newsmax article. | ||
| I also have a little AP blurb on this. | ||
| It should be national news. | ||
| Mexican troops kidnapped Texas family. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| What's the main headline on Newsmax right now? | ||
| Uncensored Harris Hilton. | ||
| Why should I care if the whore daughter of the Hilton New World Order dynasty is putting out porno tapes? | ||
| I guess you shouldn't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're welcome not to. | ||
| Boy, yeah, I was happy not doing that. | ||
| But that's easy. | ||
| You got distracted away from the fact that Mexican troops kidnapped a Texas family. | ||
| I am wilded out by that. | ||
| That really should be headline news. | ||
| As like a starting conflict? | ||
| Was that the beginning of the second Mexican-American war? | ||
| So this is a wild Newsmax story where a guy named Robert Maupin claimed that he and his family had been kidnapped by as many as eight Mexican soldiers who had crossed the border to capture him. | ||
| It wasn't an international incident that was sparked over it. | ||
| Crossing over borders to detain people, even when they're wanted fugitives, is a messy business, as Dog the Bounty Hunter learned firsthand. | ||
| So it seems wild to imagine that this story happened as Maupin describes. | ||
| He claims that he had reported a meth lab on his land to the DEA, who then told the Mexican authorities. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's unclear why they would do this, considering that his land is in the United States, but let's not get lost in the weeds here. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| The Newsmax headline ends with a question mark, because even they aren't sure about this. | ||
| And the sourcing is thin. | ||
| Whose quote was it that if it ends in a question mark, the answer's no? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Any news article that... | ||
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Thomas Jefferson. | |
| Yeah, yeah, might as well be. | ||
| And if the Newsmax folks had done even a little bit of legwork, they would not have had a good cause to publish this story. | ||
| Even if they threw the question mark in for safety. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Because obviously that question mark is going to be ignored by xenophobic demagogues like Alex when they report the story. | ||
| Well, that's their... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I was poking around. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I came across an article in the New York Times. | ||
| Oh, what did this fucking guy get arrested for in the past, right? | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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Sometimes I read a news story and it's like I know what it's gonna be before I say it. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So, there was an article in the Times from May 1997 that includes this little tidbit. | ||
| Quote, That's from 97. That article also explains how Mopin had started his own vigilante group that wanders the border and makes citizens arrest with the blessing of the deputy sheriff Robert Novak, who calls them Bob's Boys. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds great. | ||
| As the Times explains it, quote, Mopin and several friends have started a campaign of citizens arrest. | ||
| Dressed in camouflage fatigues, they carry semi-automatic rifles, their own Vietnam-era seismic sensors, and zip ties for handcuffs. | ||
| Quote, we get together at night to make a game out of it. | ||
| Who can catch the most? | ||
| He says, if you dress properly, they don't know who you are. | ||
| So we get really, really good. | ||
| Right, yeah, those guys should be in jail. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Of all the people who should be in jail in this story, it is those dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this guy created a militia that terrorizes immigrants for fun, and he's claimed on more than one occasion that he's been kidnapped by Mexican soldiers crossing the border because he's snitched on a meth lab. | ||
| Seems like that story isn't true and maybe it's a rationalization for why Maupin does this horrible shit so he doesn't have to feel like a monster. | ||
| In 2016, Maupin was interviewed about his support for Trump's wall in the Monterey Herald, and strangely, his multiple times being held captive by the Mexican government doesn't come up. | ||
| Doesn't come up? | ||
| No, weird. | ||
| That's so odd! | ||
| Weirdly, neither does his creation of a vigilante gang. | ||
| That seems very important to any context about him. | ||
| Instead, they say that he, quote, isn't shy about letting Mexican migrants and smugglers know that they aren't welcome to pass through his sprawling property in the tiny town of Bolivar. | ||
| If you can read this, you're in range, one sign says on his property. | ||
| Here's one thing that I have an interest in when you're reporting on this type of thing. | ||
| Sure, you can say it's a vigilante group or gang, or you could say it's a group of men who commit hate crimes on the regular. | ||
| And it's the same thing, so maybe one was more accurate, though. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Then, there's a book. | ||
| Called Illegals, the imminent threat posed by our unsecured U.S.-Mexico border. | ||
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Fuck me. | |
| This book retells a time when Maupin was kidnapped by Mexican troops. | ||
| I love sticking to his fictional story. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| This time, it was along with his daughter. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Sure, sure! | ||
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Yeah, yeah! | |
| And it happened in 1985. | ||
| Starring Liam Neeson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently, he told a friend of his who worked in narcotics enforcement that he smelled ether on his property and that there was a building about half a mile from the border that was usually empty, but he would periodically see it occupied. | ||
| He would know it was occupied because plainclothes men with weapons would be patrolling and they would hoist a Mexican flag. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Nothing meth labs on foreign soil like to do more than announce their presence and draw attention to themselves. | ||
| He and his daughter were out shooting and were confronted by Mexican troops carrying NATO weapons. | ||
| It should be noted that this situation is about the same. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| by the Mexican troops. | ||
| These troops said that they were looking for illegal guns and drugs, which they have no jurisdiction to investigate in U.S. soil, so this is ridiculous. | ||
| They also said that they were looking for Señor Mopin, which Robert said, quote, made it pretty clear to me that I had made somebody in the Mexican government angry by sticking my nose into their drugstore. | ||
| I would say regularly committing hate crimes probably makes a lot of people mad at you. | ||
| He warned the troops that their guns weren't legal here, whereas his were. | ||
| One of the soldiers didn't care and tried to take his daughter's gun. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
| So she backhanded him and, quote, just about knocked him flat. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The others readied their weapons, so Maupin and his daughter put down their guns, knowing that they were outmatched. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This story is a convoluted mess, and I don't believe a word of it. | ||
| This part is particularly unbelievable. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Quote, Robert Maupin was planning to pursue legal remedies, but federal officials told him he would have to be in court for three to four months straight. | ||
| No! | ||
| Upon which time he decided to let the matter drop. | ||
| Well, that is... | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| Sure, the entire Mexican government sends a small cadre of troops to apparently kidnap you, but three or four months in court? | ||
| Three or four months! | ||
| Instead of spending those months in court, I guess Maupin decided to recycle this story on a couple more occasions to justify his disgusting vigilante actions, and in the process create news cycles that incite fear and hatred of Mexican immigrants. | ||
| Anyway, this is part of the story that Alex doesn't cover because he doesn't care. | ||
| He just looks for headlines that help him get involved in that same incitement of fear and hatred, and it does the job. | ||
| He ignores the question mark and ignores, hey, who is this guy? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Oh, he's told... | ||
| This story multiple times. | ||
| He seems to keep getting kidnapped. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| You know how whenever they try and leave Gilligan's Island, they end up back on Gilligan's Island? | ||
| It feels like that. | ||
| He keeps getting kidnapped. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| Never before has this story made me more likely to believe that Steve Pachenik is Jack Ryan. | ||
| This is the one. | ||
| And each time he's telling these stories, he doesn't say, not again. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| Oh boy, here we go again! | ||
| Each time it's in the present tense and it's a new instance of him getting kidnapped. | ||
| Oh goddammit John boy, the Mexican government has come to kidnap us again! | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| That is absurd. | ||
| So, um... | ||
| Anyway, Alex, he's sold on this story, for sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He doesn't cover it too much, because what is there to cover past the headline? | ||
| I mean, it tells you everything you need to know. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then just being like, why isn't everybody talking about this? | ||
| I mean, if it were in any effect true, yes, I agree. | ||
| Why aren't people talking about this? | ||
| If it were in any way true, I would suggest that there's a decent chance that, like, He wouldn't have a choice about whether or not he went to court with it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely not. | ||
| I feel like the US government would take it to court. | ||
| Yeah, he would be compelled to testify under subpoena, making him more likely to be jailed by the United States government than the Mexican government, in all honesty. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| I mean, you can't detain foreign nationals on foreign soil. | ||
| No! | ||
| Even if your bestest buds... | ||
| Like, it's countries. | ||
| Like, there's still no... | ||
| Even if Canada accidentally at the fucking Niagara Falls just grabbed a guy and pulled him across the border, it would be an international incident. | ||
| You would have to have the permission of the other government. | ||
| That's the rules. | ||
| So, Alex talks a little bit about drills. | ||
| He has an interesting take on this, because this is not the way he behaves in the present. | ||
| I mean, I've seen articles of several hundred urban warfare training drills in the last two weeks all over the country. | ||
| Chances are you have one in your town. | ||
| And they'll get the high school drama club to have fake intestines hanging out and arms blown off and fake blood spraying. | ||
| I've got some of this in the room. | ||
| My drama club did not have those kind of resources. | ||
| Just north of Austin in Temple. | ||
| And they... | ||
| The little town south of there, Belton. | ||
| Well, it's not Little Town. | ||
| It's like 50,000 people. | ||
| And what do I have? | ||
| I mean, robots rolling around with shotguns, army troops walking up and asking what we're doing, two cars exploding in downtown, fire and black smoke shooting up, guys running around throwing hand grenades into cars. | ||
| The mayor gets up and goes, we've been attacked by terrorists. | ||
| And the headline in the newspaper said, Belton, it's in the film, attacked by terrorists. | ||
| And I said to the mayor at the end of it, I said, sir, this has all been a drill. | ||
| And he goes, of course it's been a drill. | ||
| But again, that was at the bottom of a two-page article that it was a drill. | ||
| But you're reading it having the emotional response. | ||
| You see, this is what happens to an unconscious mass of people. | ||
| It creates the perception, your subconscious considers, that there are all these terrorist attacks. | ||
| This definitely isn't the reason that Alex says that there are training and scenario exercises now. | ||
| This is a completely different conspiracy narrative that he's expressing in the past. | ||
| In this conception, he thinks that there are all these exercises because your unconscious mind will experience them as if they're real attacks and you'll emotionally think that there are more attacks than there actually are. | ||
| Because of your heightened state of subconscious fear, the globalists will be able to exploit you into supporting things that are sold to you in the name of protecting you from these attacks. | ||
| In more present times, these exercises exist to give cover to real false flag attacks. | ||
| For instance, the Operation Lockstep shit existed so that the globalists could plan the COVID-19 release, and if anyone was caught, they could say it was part of the exercise. | ||
| Leaving aside how stupid that theory is, it's worlds apart from this 2003 understanding of these exercises. | ||
| And that's because at this point in 2003, Alex doesn't seem to have recognized the value of fully denying reality and calling everything false flags. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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His business model is still kind of in its infancy and hasn't matured to this present day level that we see now where it's like, Fuck it. | |
| Everything... | ||
| Matured or metastasized. | ||
| Yeah, either one. | ||
| Also, if Alex thinks these exercises exist to give people a subconscious sense that things are worse than they are, I would suggest he consider how he covers news and how the lies and exaggerations he reports give his audience the impression that things are worse than they are, specifically around certain themes like immigration and white identity fears. | ||
| Listen, I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| Are you saying that he is, like whenever he says that the government is trying to subconsciously make people more afraid of terrorism by creating these things, are you saying that he is then taking something like the story of an absolute lunatic and then bolstering it with his bullshit to make it look like everybody is being invaded by a different country all the time? | ||
| Yeah, more or less. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| And also, I wasn't able to find this article that he was talking about. | ||
| But, like, I bet that article is just somebody at a newspaper having a little bit of a flourish. | ||
| You know, you've read those articles that are like, bombs are exploding everywhere. | ||
| And then, like, in the second or third paragraph, it's like, it was all an exercise to train people for the blah, blah, blah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You know, you write as if it's real at the lead and the beginning, because it's kind of fun. | ||
| And also with the conception that... | ||
| Most of your readers will know already from the word go that bombs were not actually going off in their own town. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is a little bit... | ||
| Maybe a little bit over-exaggerating on this one. | ||
| Yeah, a little dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So apparently Columbine... | ||
| False flag, baby. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| FEMA and, quote, the Secret Service have been running a secret federal program to protect our schools. | ||
| Yeah, the program starts in 98. In 99 you have Columbine, and ooh, the son of an FBI agent founded Trenchcoat Mafia two years before. | ||
| Harris and Klebold's parents are both. | ||
| One's a military officer, another one in a secret underground quantum mechanics nuclear base. | ||
| And these guys run the school's computers, and there's a hundred bombs inside, and the sheriff's meeting with the principal while the attack takes place. | ||
| The school was half empty. | ||
| You can put two and two together, can't you, folks? | ||
| Can you? | ||
| These are giant theatrical events. | ||
| They'll have a couple hundred fake ones and then a real one occasionally, and people have the perception that it's real, that there's thousands of school shootings and thousands of terrorist attacks. | ||
| In fact, in 99, here in Austin, and this is in Road to Tyranny, they had fake bioattacks, fake chemical attacks, shutdowns of most of downtown, and we pull up at the scene and see the role player there, standing behind his car, shaking hands with the cops, high and tight haircut. | ||
| It was a military officer, and the news had had him as a possible Arab terrorist, and are we being attacked? | ||
| And then later that night, they quietly announced, It was just a drill. | ||
| What Alex is expressing with his drill talk appears to go like this. | ||
| A training drill happens, which no one is claiming is a real event. | ||
| Alex pretends that people are saying it is a real event and takes on the role of the guy insisting these are fake drills. | ||
| Eventually, a news outlet covers the drill, and Alex takes that as an admission that it was fake all along and that his yelling forced them to end their cover-up. | ||
| His role in the whole thing is a charade and entirely meaningless. | ||
| Unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of thinking that left unexamined for too long and enabled by a further radicalized conspiracy environment leads to a person losing a billion dollars. | ||
| All that stuff about Columbine does sound remarkably similar to the stuff Alex says about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not necessarily in terms of the specifics of the claim, but the way that there's a collection of claims that he almost certainly got from completely disreputable sources, which aren't accurate, but he throws out anyway to defend his contention that it was a big theatrical event. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the same way that he has all of these talking points that he'd be like, well, kids are walking around the schools, the porta-potties, you know, they didn't let paramedics. | ||
| You know, like, all of these things. | ||
| That's exactly what you heard with his description of Columbine. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's definitely seasonal to live. | ||
| We're literally talking to the ghost of his Christmas past as we speak. | ||
| It is a little bit on the nose, the current circumstances of our situation in terms of ghosts of Christmas pasts. | ||
| Also important point, Harris and Klebold were not in the Trenchcoat Mafia. | ||
| That's a group that existed at the school who were wrongly associated with the shooting because the shooters wore dusters. | ||
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Most of the Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What led to that? | ||
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Yup. | |
| Yup. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex is wrong about another school shooting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's good to always see that. | ||
| From the jump. | ||
| Right as rain. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| He's always wrong. | ||
| His downfall was cemented. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| So many years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was written in stone. | ||
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| So fascinating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because this is not saying necessarily in any way that, like, the shooting was faked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or that no one died or anything like that. | ||
| But you already see the seed that's going to grow into his present-day shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's like, it almost gives, yeah, there's a feeling of inevitability about it. | ||
| It's a bit of a mindfuck, you know, when you start looking at things from a teleological perspective, and then you see, I mean, and a... | ||
| It's the exact nucleus of the future. | ||
| It's fascinating to think of. | ||
| You wouldn't know that this is the kind of place it could go to back then. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But looking back, it seems so obvious. | ||
| It's the documentary of John Lennon walking by a guitar store. | ||
| It's that kind of feeling of like, that's what I'm going to be when I grow up. | ||
| So there's a drill in Austin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex was like, that shit's fake. | ||
| That shit's fake as hell. | ||
| So he bluffed the news, right? | ||
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Get this. | |
| This is amazing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They had fake bioattacks, fake chemical attacks, shutdowns of most of downtown. | ||
| And we pull up at the scene and see the role player there standing behind his car, shaking hands with the cops, high and tight haircut. | ||
| It was a military officer, and the news had had him as a possible Arab terrorist, and are we being attacked? | ||
| And then later that night, they quietly announced, Oh, it was just a drill. | ||
| I was already on the air that day going, it's a drill, it's a drill, it's a drill, it's a drill. | ||
| It's fake, it's fake, it's fake. | ||
| And then they had a fake nuclear spill and then announced that night, okay, it was just a drill. | ||
| Then they had three attacks where they shut down hospitals and the DPS and the rest of it and turned out that they were going to go ahead and keep saying it was a lie. | ||
| And I called ABC News here locally and I said, look. | ||
| And I bluffed them. | ||
| This is war. | ||
| I rarely do this. | ||
| I asked the listeners, was this proper? | ||
| I lied to them. | ||
| I said, I got proof it's fake. | ||
| I know you're involved in it. | ||
| I'm going on air with this on TV tonight. | ||
| I've got witnesses from inside your organization. | ||
| Within an hour, ABC locally was reporting, just a drill, just a drill, just a drill. | ||
| So you got scooped on your live? | ||
| You're under major psychological warfare attack. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex, I mean, I think there's a couple things that you could pull out of there. | ||
| The first is that he lies about sources. | ||
| I was going to say, when you admit that the first time, I can't ever trust you again. | ||
| That's how news works. | ||
| Yeah, you might be bluffing. | ||
| Especially since in the telling of this story, whether it's true or not, it's not. | ||
| He got the outcome that he wanted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so lying works. | ||
| So why would you stop lying at any given point in time? | ||
| Seems like he has an incentive to lie based on his own telling of this story. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| This is, again, this all exists in his head. | ||
| This feels like when the Boston bombing happened and he feels like the media is talking to him. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And there's like, they had to get out ahead of me, so they're saying this. | ||
| And it's like, no, there was a drill that you were yelling about, and the news was probably going to have a story about how there was a drill. | ||
| Because it was a drill. | ||
| And you called and bluffed them about sources and what have you, and it meant nothing. | ||
| They were like, I don't know what to do with this phone call. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Click. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, this is like the perfect state of Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Being annoying, but ultimately he has no impact at anything. | ||
| Impotent is what he should be. | ||
| There is no, nothing he's changing in terms of these drills and stuff. | ||
| They're happening, people are learning how to respond to the stuff. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| Do you want people to have to deal with it for the very first time, the time it happens? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's bad! | ||
| God will provide. | ||
| Think about all the first times that you've dealt with something. | ||
| It's not always gone well! | ||
| That's because God didn't want it to. | ||
| I mean, okay. | ||
| So let's say that there's a massive nuclear spill. | ||
| You don't want to have somebody being like, hey, sorry man, this is my first nuclear spill. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because that's a reasonable excuse for why we're all dead. | ||
| Well, and here's the other thing too. | ||
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If you... | |
| If you believe what Alex is saying, then there are these hundreds of fake events that are happening, right? | ||
| He's got to be jumping from room to room. | ||
| He's got to be spinning plates to try and cover all of this stuff to get to all of these fake events, because if he didn't, the globalists would be allowed to pass them off as real. | ||
| I have a bigger question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is the ratio of fake events to real events? | ||
| Are there more fake events than real events, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, are we talking about that in... | ||
| What isn't a fake event? | ||
| You never want to be specific about that. | ||
| Because I feel like if the ratio is the opposite, then the real events are the fake events. | ||
| I think that in terms of, you know, giant... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Mass casualty type events. | ||
| I would imagine that, you know, if you want to use this language, there are more fake events than real ones, in as much as there are training exercises that happen. | ||
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| And a lot of EMTs and, you know, emergency medical stuff, along with military training type stuff. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those probably happen more than newsworthy giant events. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Alex isn't covering all of these drills that happened. | ||
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Can't! | |
| Not even close. | ||
| Not even... | ||
| There's too many. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Those ones that he doesn't cover aren't reported in the news as real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because otherwise we would be having like, oh my god, nuclear spills are happening all over the place. | ||
| And they seem to be happening on almost like a calendar. | ||
| It's a frequent event as if there was a regular training exercise in case this sort of thing were to happen. | ||
| Huh, this same thing seems to be happening biannually in the exact same place. | ||
| It's a good thing that the show I listen to that tells me about this is not serialized. | ||
| Otherwise, that would be an issue. | ||
| That's all very dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex talks about the Texas family story again, about getting kidnapped, and he takes it up a notch. | ||
| The source said the Mexican unit may have been prompted to cross the U.S. because the family, a father, mother, and three minors, were shooting rabbits on their property. | ||
| Well, yeah, the Marines will kill you if you're out shooting at rabbits. | ||
| Sounds right to me. | ||
| Located along the border in Preseto County. | ||
| By the way... | ||
| We've confirmed the report. | ||
| In North Carolina, a man on his own property hunting in a deer stand had British troops threaten to arrest him, and a FBI-type guy in a suit arrived and said, get out of that deer stand or you'll be arrested on the Patriot Act. | ||
| Get off your property and don't come back. | ||
| This was all done at machine gun point, by the way. | ||
| Machine gun point! | ||
| Machine gun point! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I think it would be more fun. | ||
| I think we would all have a more fun life if some people were just suddenly kidnapped by British troops with machine guns. | ||
| Get off the land. | ||
| That's almost whimsical. | ||
| That is an almost whimsical evil to blight America. | ||
| What happened with the land? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He had to leave, apparently. | ||
| It's a machine gun point. | ||
| It is for the queen now. | ||
| I don't understand what you're not getting about this. | ||
| The queen has claimed his house. | ||
| Also, what's an FBI type guy? | ||
| What's an FBI type guy? | ||
| You know, it's one of those guys who's kind of like in the FBI. | ||
| He's a type. | ||
| Bad and black. | ||
| He's got the type. | ||
| So this is obviously bullshit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's probably based on a fraudulent telling of a real fact, which is that there is a tiny piece of land, approximately.052 acres, in North Carolina that is actually British soil. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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There is a small patch of land on Okrakoak Island that's a memorial to five British soldiers who died there in World War II. | |
| The land is technically still in the U.S., but it's permanently leased to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, so it might as well be British, and it's kind of considered British land within the continental U.S. Let's just respect it! | ||
| Yeah, so there is that. | ||
| I think that's about as close as you're going to get. | ||
| I imagine Alex heard that and was like, wait, the British are taking land in North Carolina. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| You see the connective tissue about how that could possibly lead to a guy getting kicked out of his deer stand by British troops with machine guns. | ||
| Yes, I 100% understand that. | ||
| Makes total sense. | ||
| Well, I mean, you're literally hunting on a burial ground. | ||
| So, yeah, you're kind of an asshole here. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, that didn't actually happen. | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's a little disappointing. | ||
| I'm saying that the story at its core is just that this grave place exists. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay. | ||
| And that it's British soil within the United States. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it has to do with the military. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm saying that Alex... | ||
| He was made aware of that, and then he wrote a story in his head about a North Carolina man getting accosted by British troops at machine gun point who told him to get off the land. | ||
| That does sound like the fun type of story that Alex would make up immediately upon. | ||
| Wait, the British have some land? | ||
| Clearly a hunter was kidnapped there. | ||
| It's a foothold. | ||
| Yeah, that's the fun story. | ||
| That's how the embellishment cycle. | ||
| It's a canary in the coal mine. | ||
| So Paul Joseph Watson is in... | ||
| I'll say, Paul Joseph Watson being on the phone and just coming in for a little bit is about where he belongs. | ||
| He's not a host, but he can come in for a little sting or whatever, and he's not the worst. | ||
| And for some reason, it sounds better when he's on the phone, because it's like, we got our guy embedded in the UK. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| War correspondent kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But unfortunately, the two of them are talking about this story about the Texas family that got kidnapped, and Alex is out for blood. | ||
| I'd like to get your take on it. | ||
| How would the British people respond if the French were coming across and kidnapping your citizens? | ||
| Do you think it'd be a news item, or do you think it'd be ignored for a week and a half? | ||
| Well, it depends. | ||
| Obviously, as you said, that particular news item should be mainstream headlines across the board. | ||
| And, of course, we had Bush carrying on the Clinton policy of refusing to arm the border guards down there, even though they're getting shot up every week by the Mexicans. | ||
| It is totally constitutional to put tanks, helicopters, F-16s on our border. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| This is what we've always done in the past. | ||
| Kill every Mexican soldier on that border. | ||
| Again, not constitutional. | ||
| Attack them. | ||
| You want to go to war, Washington? | ||
| Draft me to the war against Mexico. | ||
| We're not going to war with Mexico? | ||
| I'm sorry, it's in my blood. | ||
| I want to crush that country. | ||
| Well, that I kind of believe. | ||
| I'm sorry, go ahead. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I want to crush Mexico. | ||
| It's in my blood. | ||
| I want to crush Mexico. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Honestly, if that was his reasoning, I would have to say, you know what, at least that's maybe honest. | ||
| You know, like, instead of all this, Oh, Mexicans are evil. | ||
| That's bullshit based on mythological racism. | ||
| But you hate Mexico because your ancestors died fighting Mexico. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Yeah, you're spiritually connected to Colonel Travis or whatever the fuck. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You just hate Mexico. | ||
| I honestly also think that if this was the way he acted more, it would be more consistent. | ||
| Like, this... | ||
| This kind of feels more like a sincere expression of his feelings. | ||
| Like, I just hate Mexico and I want to crush that country. | ||
| Yeah, and also, I mean, again... | ||
| It seems like the stakes are raised, but because they're raised so ridiculously high, no one's going to war with Mexico. | ||
| And this is a fake bullshit story. | ||
| The stakes are once again back down to zero. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Alex has whipped himself up into a frenzy where he wants war against a neighboring state over a very dubious article in Newsmax. | ||
| Dubious doesn't begin to describe it. | ||
| The headline ends with a question mark. | ||
| Well, that's war-worthy. | ||
| I love, too, that Alex is in the same breath being like, they lied to get us into Iraq. | ||
| He's like, hey, listen, if I can make up some shit, then you can make up some shit. | ||
| Let's go to war with Mexico. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| So Alex takes some calls, and this guy sucks. | ||
| Go ahead, Ken, and finish up. | ||
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Yeah, one more thing. | |
| This blue-collar white male right here was looking for a job the other day, and I happened to look in a newspaper. | ||
| And the article was, anti-Semitism in Europe is an alarming virus. | ||
| They use the word virus, like if it's a sickness. | ||
| And the article is anti-white male and anti-Arab male. | ||
| And it seems like in this Judeo New World Order, it's the white male and the Arab male is the negative force in the world. | ||
| And it's them, too, that would like them to fight each other so they can have supremacy. | ||
| Well, I appreciate the call. | ||
| I think it's bigger. | ||
| The globalists play every group against each other. | ||
| I mean, if it's Africa, they play black tribe against black tribe. | ||
| If it's England, they play Catholic against Protestant, Protestant against Catholic. | ||
| But, I mean, certainly, they're creating divisions every which way. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| A not inconsiderable amount of Alex's audience has always been this guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anti-Semitic, white identity obsessed, and paranoid. | ||
| I think it illustrates something important to note, that Alex pushes back on the part where white people and Arabs are being pitted against each other to say that the globalists pit all groups against each other, but he doesn't really push back at all on the guy's claim that there's a Judeo-New World Order. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| That's probably somewhat strategic. | ||
| The way he pushes back on some things and then leaves other things kind of like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that is a way of introducing yourself. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Blue-collar white male here is a way of introducing... | ||
| And I go, GAH! | ||
| And then run away. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I was looking for a job and I saw an ad that said, Blue-collar white man need not apply. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, well, I mean, if you say it like that... | ||
| Also, this article that he's talking about, was that in the Help Wanted section? | ||
| That seems weird. | ||
| That is odd. | ||
| It is odd. | ||
| So Alex gets into a stretch here where there's some really bad predictions that he makes. | ||
| People say to me, aren't you worried? | ||
| Frankly, folks, I have no doubt I'm going to be killed by him. | ||
| It'll be next week. | ||
| It'll be five years from now. | ||
| I mean, it's an honor to fight against tyranny, to stand up against pure evil. | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't go fighting Iraq, because that's a joke. | ||
| That's a fraud for them. | ||
| But to defend my country and my family, it's not a question. | ||
| If across the street, you know, five thugs with knives and guns were attacking an old lady, I know, if I didn't even have weapons, I would go up and try to disarm one and kill the others. | ||
| I would fight them. | ||
| My instinct is to fight thugs and fight... | ||
| Scum! | ||
| And, you know, that's how men were in the past, folks. | ||
| Our forefathers had incredible courage, whether it was on sailing ships or, you know, in faraway lands. | ||
| Regardless of what color we are, men were men. | ||
| Women were women. | ||
| You know, this is how it operated. | ||
| I am not a castrated coward. | ||
| And I know I could end up in the Ministry of Love today with O 'Brien hanging over me. | ||
| And, you know, they may be able to... | ||
| Torture me enough to where I cry and say I love Big Brother. | ||
| But the point is, I stood up and I fought, and we have this freedom, we have this bounty, we have this liberty, because countless hundreds of thousands and millions of people died in defense of humanity, and I'm part of that stream of history, and I'm part of that. | ||
| Like the old Norse saying says, cattle die and kinsmen die, and so one will die oneself, but there's one thing I know that never dies, and that's the fame of a dead man's deeds. | ||
| Paul Watson comments to that. | ||
| Comments on that, Paul? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like this is just Alex talking to himself. | ||
| Paul, I would die for anything that I feel like. | ||
| What are your comments on that? | ||
| What are your thoughts on there? | ||
| Blimey. | ||
| How courageous do you think I am? | ||
| Am I super courageous or the most courageous there ever was? | ||
| Your thoughts on that? | ||
| You're looking rough and ready. | ||
| I'm just thinking of British things. | ||
| Yeah, Alex is just talking himself up there, and it's kind of fun. | ||
| That he believes that the globalists are definitely going to kill him. | ||
| Maybe in five years, maybe tomorrow, who knows. | ||
| And now, almost 20 years later, we sit here and he was not killed. | ||
| In fact, he made millions and millions of dollars by getting worse and worse. | ||
| Full proof that if you die in your dreams, you do not die in real life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there is probably a small part of Alex now in the present that is sad he didn't die. | ||
| At some point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this idea of the, like, what lives on is a man's deeds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there is a time when he could have probably had a Bill Cooper-esque exit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where people, like, deify Bill Cooper. | ||
| Well, I mean, he could still have a very Bill Cooper exit, but it's... | ||
| But Bill Cooper didn't end up living long enough to have, like, a complete... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, falling from... | ||
| Grace is even a... | ||
| He didn't lose a billion dollars. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And he didn't have to become this weirdo public drunk who shows up on these strange podcasts and makes an idiot of himself. | ||
| By the way, where's that Tyson interview? | ||
| Mike Tyson interview where he did mushrooms. | ||
| Seems not to have come out. | ||
| Yeah, there are a lot of things that Bill Cooper didn't get to do. | ||
| I think like... | ||
| In some ways, Alex... | ||
| I mean, we talked about this even hundreds of episodes back. | ||
| There's a certain sense that Alex has outlived his usefulness in terms of the conspiracy community, and he continues on as this weird thing that the next generation is trying to navigate how they use... | ||
| He's almost vestigial. | ||
| He's like an appendix. | ||
| We all need to excise him from the humanity. | ||
| He is in some ways, but there's still like... | ||
| There's something to be gained from him in terms of exposure and clout and stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's just, yeah, it's strange. | ||
| It's not a position I think anybody would want to be in. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not expressing pity or anything. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Descriptively, I think he probably isn't where he wants to be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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But, I mean, that's such the greed of... | |
| How can you want... | ||
| I can't imagine making $100 million in a business and not being like, sweet. | ||
| Guess what that means for me? | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I'm out! | ||
| I'm done with this stuff. | ||
| Somebody else can deal with all that bullshit. | ||
| Well, but what if you had an underlying need to demonize people and satisfy your anger publicly and lash out? | ||
| See, that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't do that. | ||
| You know another thing I was thinking about, too? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| This is, I don't know, this might be tough to articulate exactly, but so much of Alex's career involves this idea that Fox News was going to give me millions of dollars, but I couldn't be the thing that I want to be there. | ||
| And now, Tucker Carlson is the most important person in the world. | ||
| Kind of contradicting Alex's entire ethos. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, he could have conceivably gone to Fox News and been Tucker Carlson. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| No, of course he couldn't have. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, well, I mean, Alex couldn't have. | ||
| Because he doesn't have the control necessary to do it. | ||
| Yes, but somebody working within Fox News could have had the show that Alex thinks he wants to have. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| There is a place within the institution that can be corrupted enough. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| It's completely counter to his ideas. | ||
| But, you know, I mean, he couldn't do it. | ||
| It's a personal thing for him. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And it's maybe because of him. | ||
| He's unemployable. | ||
| It is because of him, maybe, that... | ||
| Tucker can be at Fox News. | ||
| By being on the outside, Alex did more to influence Fox News than if he were inside it. | ||
| That is probably true. | ||
| But again, that's not the place that you would want to be if you were able to choose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is not the fun or admirable or anything place. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It seems like it should be the admirable. | ||
| Turning down all the corporate money and all that seems like it should be the admirable thing until you're Alex. | ||
| Then it's... | ||
| Disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he probably doesn't. | ||
| But there's a lot of gold sale stuff going on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No Ted. | ||
| He doesn't pop in. | ||
| Yeah, see, because he didn't actually give up the corporate money, even in the slightest little bit. | ||
| That's the thing about it. | ||
| A gold corporation. | ||
| Yeah, he just went to a different garbage place. | ||
| Weirdo corporation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So there's like economic collapse talk being used to sell gold. | ||
| And then another shit prediction. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| People say owe it. | ||
| We're in the middle of a recovery. | ||
| Well, you just take the long-term perspective, follow the line, which, you know, from two, three years ago, and it's a complete downturn. | ||
| Well, I know at all the shopping centers around here, strip malls, restaurants, you couldn't find a parking space two, three years ago. | ||
| Now, you walk into a store, it's a ghost town. | ||
| And I'm not trying to be negative, folks. | ||
| I just... | ||
| Look, all we had left was the fiat currency. | ||
| That's why we could buy all the slave goods. | ||
| We had the world money that people accepted. | ||
| And when it's fiat, it can lose value overnight. | ||
| And now we're losing that, and it's horrible. | ||
| It's terrible for our economy. | ||
| The little bit of money I've got in the bank, cash money, has gone down in value by 30%. | ||
| And, oops, the gold I've got has gone up by over 30%. | ||
| So the exact equation we discussed has now happened. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| Gold may go down next week or next month, but I'm not dumping my gold, Paul. | ||
| What do you think of that decision? | ||
| Well, it's a good decision, and we also have to remember that part of this stage, that economic collapse, is to eventually completely obliterate the dollar to be merged into this world currency, which, of course, is basically halfway completed with the euro, and so that's another agenda that they will create this Pan-American Union currency. | ||
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With the Amero dollar. | |
| Oh, and people will laugh at us until they issue it in three years. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Can I borrow an Amero dollar? | ||
| I would love to give you an Amero dollar. | ||
| More than anything. | ||
| We all know that in 2006, they rolled out the Amero dollar, and everybody who was laughing at Alex was not laughing anymore. | ||
| Changed their tune. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Bought all their gold. | ||
| That was what happened. | ||
| Changed the course of history, the Amero dollar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I mean, when you're right, you're right. | |
| I mean... | ||
| Alex is going to be dead in five years of the Amero dollar. | ||
| I don't understand their time frame. | ||
| There's no way that a Amero dollar can come out in three years. | ||
| That's just not possible. | ||
| There's just too many interlocking parts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, there were even, like, the dollar coins was a difficult thing for... | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I don't even think that was fully successful as a rollout. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, the Sacagawea dollar. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| People were still... | ||
| There were even people who were like, I don't want Sacagawea on my money. | ||
| You're like, I don't even know where we are. | ||
| But even leaving aside what's on the coin, the idea of having a dollar coin was... | ||
| An uproar. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And that means nothing compared to merging different countries. | ||
| It's a slightly heavier representation of the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| So we go back to the bombings in 1999 in Russia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like I said, they've proven... | ||
| That it was Putin. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| In September 1999 and basically the month following that, a series of explosions took place in Russian apartment buildings, which gave Putin the pretext to launch a war on the Chechens and create a police state at home. | ||
| And it turned out that the FSB, the former KGB, were actually caught substituting the dummy explosives for real explosives, exigent, and they were caught allowed to leave the country. | ||
| Moscow police caught them. | ||
| FSB members have gone public about this. | ||
| and we've got... | ||
| Don't we have a whole section on Prison Planet about that, all mainstream news articles? | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| In the 9-11 archive, it's examples of the Hegelian dialectics. | ||
| There's a bunch of articles in that section as well. | ||
| That tries to blow the whistle on this, like Berezovsky. | ||
| I mean, they're trying to deport him every week because he's back in London now. | ||
| Any journalist that reports on this in Russia is strangely gunned down on the street in the weeks following, so we know that there's a massive cover-up going on there. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, none of this stuff is true anymore. | ||
| So weird how he's the protector of the white family now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he's a great Christian. | ||
| Russia has never been known to do any false flags. | ||
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Huge Christian. | |
| Huge Christian. | ||
| Nothing more Christ-like. | ||
| Just weird. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| That whole section on Prison Planet is maybe not there anymore. | ||
| Man, it is so nice to believe things. | ||
| It is really nice to just... | ||
| I don't have to worry about finding new things that I don't remember about people. | ||
| And you don't have to forget that you proved things in order to have proved new things that are contrary to those old things. | ||
| Not once. | ||
| I go like this. | ||
| Ooh, I was wrong, and now there's a new thing. | ||
| That's not hard. | ||
| Yeah, this sucks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, a caller calls in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because that's what callers do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he says... | ||
| Blue collar white male here. | ||
| A little bit better than that guy, although unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go to Joel in Illinois, then Spencer and Mark and Jeremy and others. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| You're on the air, Joel. | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| Hello. | ||
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Good to talk to you. | |
| I've listened to you for quite a while, and I'll be honest with you, when I first started listening to your program, I thought you were nuts. | ||
| But I apologize for saying that. | ||
| Well, the Alex Jones of eight years ago would have heard this show. | ||
| I'd have thought he was nuts. | ||
| But the Alex Jones of today just goes off the facts. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Yeah, just the facts. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And the Alex Jones of 2003 would think the 2022 version is a disgrace. | ||
| Yeah, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Yeah, you constantly are evolving into something that would make you ashamed in the past. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's not the trajectory you want your life to go down. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You would rather look back and be like, damn. | ||
| A couple years ago, I would have been so proud and impressed with what I achieved. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's the kind of... | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| Past me would have been like, well done! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big pat on the back! | ||
| That you've done things that I, like, yourself in the past wouldn't have even thought possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the kind of... | ||
| And you've done things that yourself in the past wanted to do. | ||
| You achieved things that you don't have to disavow later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You don't have to be like, man, in the past... | ||
| I would have looked at me and been like, fuck that guy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| What a bummer! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I don't even know what... | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| This is the Christmas episode. | ||
| We are getting awful wistful about the ghost of Christmas past. | ||
| Such is life for the info warrior, though. | ||
| You constantly have layers of the onion peeled back and you see more crazy shit. | ||
| Okay, so Alex is Scrooge. | ||
| You keep blowing your mind. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson is... | ||
| He's Bob Cratchit? | ||
| No, he's the son. | ||
| He's the son. | ||
| He's Tiny Tim? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| David Knight is the fattened goose. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
|
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The Christmas goose. | |
| I think David Knight's actually a pretty good ghost of Christmas present, you know, because he's almost the same thing in the present that Alex is in the past. | ||
| He could just show up and be like, bet you wish you didn't fire me, you dum-dum. | ||
| I'm the visual metaphor for Alex! | ||
| David Icke could be the ghost of Christmas future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Enjoy shitting on me. | ||
| You become me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| In this version, I think... | ||
| Everybody is reptile people. | ||
| David, I guess it goes to Christmas future. | ||
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I'm not the turd in your punch bowl now, am I? | |
| Turns out the punch bowl, all turds. | ||
| All turds. | ||
| So Alex has a conception of what his show is. | ||
| And I think it's kind of funny because it is not this. | ||
| You just joined us for the first time. | ||
| You're wondering what this show is about. | ||
| It's about getting past the rhetoric and getting down to the actions of the politicos and then looking at the systems of power that surround us both historically and in a contemporary fashion. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That is... | ||
| So far from what his show is. | ||
| What a blurb to put on your show. | ||
| Well, to be fair, if you're doing this show, you don't want to come in from break and be like, if you're joining us for the first time, I make up bullshit based on skimming headlines and try and make white people scared. | ||
| It is a little bit like if the blurb on the back of the Bible was like, non-stop action fest packed with Jesus shooting all the Pharisees. | ||
| Now with 30% less list of names. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| So, Alex talks about his JFK conspiracies, and we know from the present day, Nick Fuentes was just on the show, and apparently Israel did it, and Alex was like, yeah, that's a big part of it. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Weirdly, not in the past. | ||
| 2003, that was not what he was... | ||
| And he's proven this stuff. | ||
| This isn't just, like, thoughts. | ||
| This is proved. | ||
| I've already had LBJ's late widow on the show four years ago. | ||
| She's dead now. | ||
| It's an admitted widow. | ||
| She was at the meeting where the head of the FBI and the mob and the CIA were there and said, we're going to kill Kennedy tomorrow. | ||
| I've had LBJ's lawyer on, Barr McClellan, whose son's the White House press secretary. | ||
| He was LBJ's private lawyer. | ||
| He has firsthand evidence of them bragging about killing him. | ||
| And, I mean, there's no debating it. | ||
| They murdered JFK. | ||
| What does admitted widow mean? | ||
| I mean, it means that she was actually married to him, I think. | ||
| Admittedly. | ||
| It was admitted in the white papers. | ||
| She was wearing white, and now she's wearing black. | ||
| She's admitted widow. | ||
| Admitted widow is a strange turn of phrase. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| In the 1800s, that meant that she was in an asylum. | ||
| Also, wouldn't that be Lady Bird? | ||
| Yes, that would be. | ||
| Has Alex had Lady Bird Johnson on the show? | ||
| That would be American royalty Lady Bird. | ||
| Yes, correct. | ||
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Was she... | |
| I find that hard to believe that she was a guest on InfoWars and told Alex that they'd... | ||
| Plotted to kill JFK. | ||
| I think there's a fairly funny movie to be made where all of the conspiracies are true and everybody shows up in Texas on the same day, kind of like having an awkward mixer. | ||
| People are like, oh, what are you here for? | ||
| And they're like, I'm here to kill Kennedy. | ||
| And they're like, ooh. | ||
| I don't know enough about LBJ, so I don't know if he got remarried or something. | ||
| Did he have another wife? | ||
| Because that's the only one I know of. | ||
| Lady Bird Johnson? | ||
| That's the only one I know of. | ||
| Actually, maybe he did have another wife. | ||
| I'm looking at Wikipedia, and I see one wife. | ||
| Lady Bird. | ||
| Well, I mean, let's not... | ||
| Hey, he was the president in the 60s. | ||
| Let's calm it down on whether or not he was faithful. | ||
| That wouldn't make somebody an admitted widow, though, you know? | ||
| You are not wrong. | ||
| Just if you're like screwing around, that doesn't make you an admitted widow. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| You have to be a widow first. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And then you have to admit it. | ||
| Does that suggest that there were times whenever she was not an admitted widow? | ||
| She was a denied widow! | ||
| Well, here's the question, really. | ||
| Is admitted mean I have admitted to it, or you have been admitted into the halls of widowedom? | ||
| Well, I mean, that's why the previous hundred years was the mental institution, so admitted into makes sense. | ||
| I think that still counts. | ||
| Anyway, the point here is, I don't know what's going on, and Alex's conspiracy doesn't involve Israel in 2003. | ||
| 100% the right. | ||
| Very malleable stuff. | ||
| Very malleable. | ||
| So, Alex takes another call. | ||
| And in this clip, I think we get some insight into what the left-right paradigm means to Alex. | ||
| And it's not what you think. | ||
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I get the distinct impression that whenever I have a criticism or a complaint about Bush, like you said, then I automatically become, like, In league with the liberals or something. | |
| What is this? | ||
| They're in this whole left-right fight. | ||
| You've got to explain to them the things I hit on earlier in the hour, all the bullet points of how the rhetoric's different, but the actions are the same. | ||
| Explain the good cop, bad cop system to them. | ||
| They're so busy, though, associating their personal power with Bush, like he's a sports hero or something, that they can't get past that. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| I believe that this is a really illuminating clip to help us understand what Alex means when he says he's above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Just based on the words and what they mean, one would be inclined to think he means that his politics exists outside of the spectrum that defines things as left-leaning or right-leaning. | |
| This is the way that he wants people to see him because it helps make you more appealing to folks who fancy themselves also to be above politics. | ||
| Independent thinkers. | ||
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Right. | |
| But what Alex seems to actually mean is a bit different. | ||
| He opposes Bush, and because of that, people on the right assume he's on the left. | ||
| The left-right paradigm he's against is the assumption that because you oppose a Republican, you must be attacking from the left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| paradigm what he's essentially saying is that he wants to make people aware that you can attack the GOP from the right yeah on his use of the term and his clear ignorance about pretty basic stuff in terms of politics and civics, I kinda think he doesn't understand that this is what he means. | ||
| You are 100% correct. | ||
| It seems like he actually thinks that attacking the GOP from the right is an evolved political position that places him outside of the left-right binary, but it doesn't. | ||
| See, he's outside of the left-right paradigm. | ||
| He's on the right-left paradigm. | ||
| See? | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| Everybody that is on his team is on the right, and everybody else is on the left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He thinks that the GOP are socialists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See? | ||
| He's on this political spectrum. | ||
| He's just putting what we think of as the right on the left side of the spectrum and staking a further part right of the spectrum. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And saying that that's the only right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the truth. | ||
| You can diagram it out. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's still the same paradigm. | ||
| And that's why extreme far-right positions, they're just common sense, moderate positions. | ||
| Why would you say that they're not common sense? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Hey, come on. | |
| I'm a centrist because I believe in hyper-nationalism. | ||
| It doesn't get more middle-of-the-road than murder your enemies, of which all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that you get a lot of mileage out of saying stuff like, I'm above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Because, like you said, you appeal to the people who are independent-oriented. | ||
| You think like, oh man, maybe this guy has some stuff that goes a little left, a little right, you know? | ||
| But no, he's just so far on the right that it's... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, what he's really saying is I defy political party. | ||
| I think both political parties are bullshit, which is fine, but that doesn't mean... | ||
| I think both political parties are bullshit, but I'm on the left, you know? | ||
| I'm leftist. | ||
| It doesn't mean that I'm above the left-right paradigm or whatever. | ||
| Structural problems with both political parties and still recognize that you exist within that continuum. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And Alex is trying to pretend that he doesn't to gain traction and make himself seem like less of an extremist on the right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you're the fucking Amitabha Buddha, yes, you exist outside the left-right spectrum. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Yeah, or if you're somebody who doesn't have, like... | ||
| Much concern for politics. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Maybe then you would exist outside, like someone who maybe all you care about is charity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's outside the left-right paradigm. | ||
| If all you do is live in a cave, I think that also is outside the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Depends on the cave. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's a terrible point. | ||
| There's a lot of fascist caves out there. | ||
| That was bait. | ||
| That was a terrible point, and yet you said it was a good point. | ||
| That was a good point, because you have not been to the Appalachian Mountains. | ||
| Some of those caves turn you fascist, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| It's the only explanation. | ||
| I will admit I have not been there. | ||
| So we get one last clip here, and it's another caller. | ||
| And he has a question for Alex about sources. | ||
| And pay attention to this clip, because this is a non-answer. | ||
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Yeah, you're doing just a great job. | |
| I have one main question, actually, and then I'll let you go. | ||
| I know you've got to get on with your day. | ||
| The global policy report you were referring to at the beginning of the hour, you said that you were able to cipher the news based off of those. | ||
| How do you obtain those? | ||
| How can I obtain them? | ||
| Okay, the Council on Foreign Relations has about five different types of reports. | ||
| The CFR founded in 1922 to overthrow America publicly. | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations puts out their foreign affairs brief every two months. | ||
| It's in all major bookstores. | ||
| It's called foreign affairs. | ||
| That's their outward propaganda for the general public. | ||
| But on their website and in interdepartmental reports and reports to the president or Congress or to other private think tanks, they say what they're going to do. | ||
| You've got PNAC, Project for the New American Century. | ||
| You've got the reports of the Carnegie Foundation. | ||
| Going back to the 30s, we have these. | ||
| You've got the Ford Foundation, Battle Plans. | ||
| You've got RAND Corporation. | ||
| Then when you know who the members of these groups are, you see them then writing news articles for major magazines and newspapers and on the Sunday news shows, and you can see the different grades of propaganda they're putting out for different audiences. | ||
| It's very sophisticated. | ||
| And those are the type of global policy reports that I was talking about. | ||
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I do appreciate that information. | |
| That's definitely going to send me in a different direction. | ||
| If you pay attention to that, Alex didn't really answer the question that was posed. | ||
| And the reason for that is that he doesn't base his conspiracy bullshit on any actual sources. | ||
| He skims headlines and makes up stories that are complementary to his extreme right-wing white identity ideology and points to a vague, unspecific mass of official documents to give his narratives an unearned weight. | ||
| I've tracked Alex's answer. | ||
| And here is what he says in response to a very straightforward question about where these reports are that he's talking about. | ||
| First, he brings up the CFR, who have about five different kinds of reports. | ||
| This seems to imply that all of these kinds of reports spring forth from the CFR, maybe? | ||
| So they put out the Foreign Affairs, but Foreign Affairs is a public-facing propaganda outlet, so that's not actually what we're talking about. | ||
| It might still be one of the types of reports, but it's still coded. | ||
| So then you have the completely unspecific reference to all sorts of other reports that the CFR puts out to the president or internally or interdepartmental briefs, whatever the fuck that means, in between departments of what? | ||
| You know, the Department of Evil and the Department of More Evil. | ||
| You're going to send a memo. | ||
| These tell their true plans. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You can see how this doesn't answer the caller's question at all. | ||
| Then you have PNAC, the Carnegie Foundation, and the Ford Foundation battle plans. | ||
| These things are just name-dropped, but hearing these names doesn't help anyone find the sources Alex is talking about. | ||
| If the Carnegie Foundation has reports going back to the 1930s, how does he expect anyone to know where to look? | ||
| Is it just one type of report that they have? | ||
| I imagine the Carnegie Foundation has so many different types of reports. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is all completely useless as an answer to this caller because you have nowhere to go with what you've been told. | ||
| The caller is obviously looking for more information, and you would think that someone in Alex's position would be eager to give that person specifics about how they could find the hard evidence that shows that Alex is right about the nonsense that he spouts. | ||
| But in reality, the last thing Alex wants is for actually curious members of his audience checking in on any of this shit. | ||
| The game he's playing only works if sourcing is left vague and unexamined. | ||
| So when he's asked a question like this, he does the equivalent of gesturing wildly and acting like a kid who's trying to bluff a book report. | ||
| And that's what you see there. | ||
| Yeah, it is two things. | ||
| The first, I'm boggled by him being like, listen, you're doing a great job. | ||
| I think you're a genius. | ||
| Anyways, I have a quick question, which I think should be a foundational question. | ||
| Is what you said based on anything? | ||
| To which Alex replies, Okay, I see what you want. | ||
| You want to find this needle in a haystack. | ||
| What I'm going to do is I'm going to give you this haystack. | ||
| And it's bigger. | ||
| I'm going to give you this haystack. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of haystacks. | ||
| I'm going to give you this haystack over here. | ||
| I'm going to give you this haystack over here. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| Start digging, dum-dum. | ||
| This haystack has been growing since the 1930s. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| People keep piling hay on it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It is almost perfectly designed to sound like an answer while at the same time being there to make you give up on trying to verify anything you say. | ||
| You're going to be overwhelmed. | ||
| And ultimately, you will never find the thing that Alex... | ||
| It doesn't exist! | ||
| And the premise of the question is even interesting, too, because it's like, okay, you are reporting on news, and I can read the story in the paper, and it doesn't say what you're saying. | ||
| Which is an issue. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's not an issue because you insist that you've read these global reports that help you use it like a decoder ring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you can see what's going on in this news story. | ||
| Now, I would like to see the decoder ring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's that needle in a haystack. | ||
| Now, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Are you the tip of the spear? | ||
| Then you don't get to touch my decoder ring. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I would like to check the work on your decoding. | ||
| I didn't ask you to check my fucking work, man. | ||
| I'm the tip of the goddamn spear. | ||
| The decoder ring is in my pocket. | ||
| You can't see it. | ||
| I won't ever bring it out. | ||
| Screw you! | ||
| I'm gonna die! | ||
| The Dakota ring is literally everywhere and everything. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| The force is everywhere and it binds us. | ||
| That's what it is, okay? | ||
| I would say that that's a dodge. | ||
| That answer was a bit of a dodge. | ||
| Well, you're not a Jedi. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Caves. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, we end this 2003 excursion. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think there's been some illuminating things. | ||
| I think there's some interesting stuff in there. | ||
| Still no movement on the Saddam front, but that's okay. | ||
| There's still a little while until he's discovered. | ||
| He'll be found. | ||
| I'm confident he will be found. | ||
| I was so fascinated by that Texas family kidnapping story. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's just weird to me that Newsmax would, even with the question mark... | ||
| Put out this story without doing a little legwork and finding these claims from the past. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| That he's made. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not have a follow-up question of, why do you keep getting kidnapped by the Mexican government? | ||
| Seems like you've been kidnapped a lot more than normal people have been kidnapped. | ||
| And they seem to keep letting you go without incident. | ||
| I will say, normal people have been kidnapped anywhere from zero to one times. | ||
| I do appreciate the negligence that went into that story making it all the way to Alex repeating it and declaring war on Mexico. | ||
| Yeah, unintended consequences. | ||
| I just like that that's the type of thing where you hear that story and I mean, you and I both knew it immediately. | ||
| Just like, this is not a one-off. | ||
| This motherfucker's done some other shit. | ||
| It's too ambitious. | ||
| Yeah, this is not a man who is only swinging his one time and then is done. | ||
| Nope, nope, nope. | ||
| This is a man with purpose. | ||
| That's a guy with a career. | ||
| So, Jordan, we'll be back for another episode. | ||
| Oh, indeed we will. | ||
| Maybe we'll get back into the present. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Maybe we'll stay in the past. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's up in the air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Mystery. | ||
| Could be anything. | ||
| Maybe we'll do an episode about caves. | ||
| That sounds interesting. | ||
| And I will defend their honor. | ||
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We're headed to Appalachia, my friend, and then we'll see what happens. | |
| Whatever the case, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I'm the juiciest ice cube. | ||
|
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What? | |
| It's back. | ||
| It's back. | ||
|
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What? | |
| I was reminded by reading the WikiLeaks that I'm the juiciest ice cube. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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There you go. | |
| All right. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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