Today, Dan and Jordan continue to track the ongoing political campaign of Ye, and how it relates to Alex Jones and his career. In this installment, another right-wing fraud attempts to sanitize Ye's bigotry, Alex formally responds to the aftermath of his interview, and Nick Fuentes calls Alex out about how his formal response is nonsense.
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
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| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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| Stop it. | ||
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| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question for you today. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| Well, my bright spot today is I have... | ||
| Some people probably have noticed this, but I have transformed my Instagram account that was about plants to now a library-based Instagram account. | ||
| I believe it's library underscore fight. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I posted a couple of things from the library on there, and I've been getting some nice response. | ||
| All right! | ||
| The latest one that I posted was the first edition copy that I got of the John Franklin letters. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| Which, of course, is widely believed and understood to have been written by Ravilo P. Oliver, one of the founding members of the John Birch Society, who was an inspiration to William Luther Pierce. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know why you're telling us things that we all already know. | ||
| Everyone knows this information. | ||
| It's widely discussed in schools. | ||
| Look, it's not like this is a first edition that's super expensive or anything. | ||
| It's not like a treasure. | ||
| In some ways, I grew up really liking books, and I love sort of the solid book thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And to have a first edition of something has always felt, like, aspirational. | ||
| Oh, I'm telling you. | ||
| When somebody sent me the first edition of, good heavens, no, Hitchhiker's Guide. | ||
| That's mind-boggling. | ||
| I still will sometimes look over it, but I don't even know if that's real. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's something that's in my, like, sort of sphere of study, and it's a documentary. | ||
| It's an antique. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's a connection to a past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's something really great about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As awful of a book as it is. | ||
| And we'll probably talk about the book at some point. | ||
| Sooner or later. | ||
| We'll be there. | ||
| Yeah, when it becomes relevant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is, you know how I love the speed running of the video games? | ||
| You do. | ||
| I like to watch the live events kind of thing. | ||
| I found this guy, Matako, who's a Northern Irish streamer. | ||
| Who did a 22-hour Final Fantasy IX Garnet-only run. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And I know that sounds like the nerdiest possible thing that you could say, and it's great. | ||
| I don't even know what it means. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't think it sounds that nerdy. | ||
| I just don't know what it means. | ||
| Well, so Final Fantasy IX is an extremely long game. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I assumed that part of it. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And you play with four characters. | ||
| Is Garnet one of the characters? | ||
| One of the main characters. | ||
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Aha. | |
| You bet. | ||
| So you only play as them. | ||
| You only play with her. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which means you have to kill all your other party members every time before you start a battle. | ||
| And for 90% of the game, she is the weakest, most useless character. | ||
| Example being, in this run, on purpose, you have to fight a fight for about 45 minutes. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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And all you do is hold X for 45 minutes. | |
| That sounds bad. | ||
| That's the whole fight. | ||
| It's horrendous. | ||
| It sounds tough to speed run. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And so what happens is it turns into an absolute chaos fest of everybody slowly losing their minds from lack of sleep. | ||
| Everybody's like, what are we doing? | ||
| We're just holding X for 45 minutes. | ||
| This has to be a show in some... | ||
| It's that creation of chaos that I love so, so much. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And it's great. | ||
| So check it out. | ||
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I don't think I will because I'd be watching somebody hold a button for 45 minutes. | |
| You don't even know. | ||
| You don't even know. | ||
| That sounds awful. | ||
| Also, here's another good reason. | ||
| Northern Irish accent, fantastic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| I'll give you that much. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| I do think that I find some speed running interesting to watch because I like games and sometimes it's just fun to watch somebody play a game. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I only want to hear about speed running Basically, when it comes to things that have a lot of glitches and stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Because watching somebody beat something really fast with these glitches and things, it's interesting, I guess, but it's not fun to watch. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Hearing about it is kind of interesting. | ||
| Oh, that's fair. | ||
| And maybe somebody explaining what these glitches are is helpful. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to watch Mario go through a wall or some shit. | ||
| That's also why I can't really just watch one of the regular streams or the people sitting alone at home playing the video game as fast as they can and practicing over it. | ||
| That's why I like to watch the big live events, because ultimately it's like, well, we're speedrunning, but it's a show. | ||
| You know, it's a show where... | ||
| You don't want to watch a scrimmage. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Wow, that's a really good way of putting it, Dan. | ||
| I am pithy. | ||
| That's wise. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, I apologized right before we started recording. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| That was a real emotional uppercut right there. | ||
| I was about to hit the record button, and I turned to Jordan and said, sorry in advance. | ||
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And before you could respond, I hit the theme song. | |
| And the reason for that is we're talking a little bit more about Ye and Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So there have been developments. | ||
| There's more developments? | ||
| There have been, yes. | ||
| So the first thing is that Ye and Nick have been making the rounds more. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The second thing is that Alex has spoken out about what happened. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And then Nick has responded to Alex's speaking out. | ||
| And so we're going to discuss this trinity of nonsense in this episode here today. | ||
| But first... | ||
| Let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| So first, Bilbo Baggins Boobs. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Hoddles B. Hoddington III by way of Raptor Princess Bex. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, hi, my name is Christian Tom, but not a boy named Tom who happens to be a Christian, but rather a boy named Christian who happens to be a Tom. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you so much! | ||
| Next, Jill Jill, my Canadian darling. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| This person said that they were moving to Chicago, and if they see us, they asked if they could say hi. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I will say, for you, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But not me, because if you see me, you're probably in my apartment. | ||
| Yeah, that's mostly... | ||
| And don't say hi. | ||
| Get out of my apartment. | ||
| Nah, get out of here. | ||
| Yeah, so that's... | ||
| Shoo! | ||
| If I happen to be in public and you see me, fine. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Next, where do I type a funny message for Dan to read aloud? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| That person called us the car talk of Alex Jones, and I resent that. | ||
| That is very annoying. | ||
| And finally, Sarai, named after the capital of Mongol Golden Horde in Europe because your purr sounds as loud as a thousand angry horsemen riding towards your city to burn it to the ground. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much! | |
| That was for a cat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, in a perfect world, we would never have to talk about this stuff ever again. | ||
| Yeah, I was hoping that we were done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The public would recognize that Ye isn't saying anything new or interesting, that Nick Fuentes is engaged in a large-scale political project-slash-publicity stunt geared at further mainstreaming Catholic fascism as a viable political entity, and that Alex Jones and all of his ilk are complicit in all of this. | ||
| In a better world, people would see these kinds of actions as disqualifying, and these actors would be cast off the stage of public life for the crime of being poor stewards of the public attention. | ||
| But we live in a shitty world, and Ye can spout anti-Semitic shit for a month, and none of this stops. | ||
| In that time, he did an interview with Tucker Carlson that was so offensive that Tucker had to edit out large parts of it, so the clips that he did play matched the narratives that he wanted to sell to his audience. | ||
| He did an interview with Tim Poole, where he stormed out after 20 minutes because Poole wouldn't say that the Jews were out to get Ye. | ||
| He did a three-hour stretch on Infowars where he denied the Holocaust twice and constantly rebuked any of Alex's attempts to help sanitize his clearly anti-Semitic bullshit. | ||
| And all of this isn't enough to make him a persona non grata in the right wing, because there's still something they want from him. | ||
| Like Nick, they see the utility in associating with a lunatic bigot, and there are two major reasons for that, which we're going to discuss in greater detail today through two recent shows, and then just for fun. | ||
| We'll listen to Nick shit on Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The first video is one that Gavin McGinnis put out, which is supposed to be the first episode of a show that he wants to do called Saving Yay. | ||
| I'm not sure if that idea is to be a series. | ||
| I don't know if that's a joke or not, but Gavin does say it at one point. | ||
| It seems like the kind of thing he would do. | ||
| The second piece we're going to look at is an interview that Alex did on Louder with Crowder, where Crowder announced that Alex was breaking his silence on the Ye interview. | ||
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What? | |
| That's not really accurate, but who cares? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Each of these two documents illustrates one of the dynamics that make Ye and Nick's current media campaign incredibly important for them to engage in, and ultimately also reveal how bad of an idea it is for these right-wing figures to be getting involved at all. | ||
| Apologies in advance for making you and the listeners hear Gavin and Crowder's voices, but in some ways it's not my fault. | ||
| It's not all my fault. | ||
| It's partially my fault. | ||
| I mean, you know, there are arguments to be made on both sides. | ||
| Look, I accept some responsibility, but just not all of it. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So we're going to start with McGinnis' show, and I want to say that I'm not going to cover most of the episode, maybe. | ||
| I'll cover a bit. | ||
| But he apparently has sent copyright strikes to get Hassan Piker's stream shut down for covering this, but that's not really my concern. | ||
| That's not really why I'm worried. | ||
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Right. | |
| We're well within the territory of fair use, and if Gavin wants to elevate our... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think he should have a joke off with me. | ||
| Let's find out who's got the chops! | ||
| I'm just not going to play a ton of the stuff that's in that episode, partially because some of it is very repetitious of the stuff that Ye said on the Infowars interview, and then a lot of it is just bad attempts on Gavin's part to be funny. | ||
| And I don't really care to engage with that, necessarily. | ||
| Man, see, that's the type of thing that frustrates me, because if it was a mad TV sketch in the... | ||
| Emily of Gavin McGinnis and a facsimile of Ye doing a show together where it's like, I have to try and figure out how to make this incredibly famous black person not a white supremacist. | ||
| How do I do this? | ||
| That's a mad TV sketch in the 90s. | ||
| Two anti-Semites and a guy who started a street gang walking to a bar. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is the beginning where Gavin kind of gives a little bit of his syllabus, I guess. | ||
| This is what he wants to achieve. | ||
| Welcome to the first episode of Saving Ye, where I am going to prevent Ye West from becoming an anti-Semite or a Nazi. | ||
| I'm going to talk him off the ledge and bring him back to the understanding that our problem is liberal elites of all races. | ||
| Kamala Harris is a major problem. | ||
| Barack Obama is a major... | ||
| Barack Obama is what started this whole mess, I would argue. | ||
| We weren't really into racism before he came along. | ||
| So, I want to go over there and say, anti-Semitism is a rut. | ||
| So there's two important points here in this opening from Gavin. | ||
| The first is that he has some kind of sense that racism really wasn't much of a thing before Obama, and that isn't even something Gavin believes or should be taken seriously as a point he's making. | ||
| That's pandering to his racist audience that wants to believe that even if they have fucked up racist beliefs that are abhorred by the larger population, they only have them because a black man became president and made them become racist. | ||
| It's a load of shit, but there's actually something interesting about this formulation that he's putting forth. | ||
| When Obama became president, it didn't create this new racism, but a lot of people used racist ideas to contextualize their political opposition to Obama. | ||
| In the time of his presidency, the attacks on Obama intensified in terms of their racist content, and a lot of that was because of the hard work of people like Alex. | ||
| Racist ideas were Trojan-horsed into criticisms of Obama, and the demagogues would insist that they weren't racist at all. | ||
| They just didn't like the policies of this president. | ||
| While being flagrantly racist. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When they combined politics and racism into one thing, it did not occur to them that later on they would continue to be the same thing. | ||
| They thought they could take them apart again. | ||
| Cocky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And over time, these racist ideas were more mainstreamed to the point where it was completely acceptable for Trump to make a name for himself in politics by insisting Obama's birth certificate was fake. | ||
| It was a normal thing for Alex to do stories about how he thought Michelle was a man and routinely called her Michael. | ||
| People like Ted Nugent were heralded as legitimate people to take seriously when he did things like speculate that it would have been better if the South had won the Civil War or when he said that black communities have a, quote, mindless tendency toward violence. | ||
| During the Obama presidency and the rise of the Tea Party, the right wing realized and exploited the political capital of using racism to rile up their base to hate the black president. | ||
| So, in those years, it probably did feel like there was a whole new racism thing going on, but it was the product of the right wing unleashing stuff that had been there for a long time, and the product of gradual normalization carried out by media figures exactly like Alex and Gavin. | ||
| And quite literally, Alex himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not people like Alex. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| People, for example, Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the way you put it again. | ||
| As they began this campaign of dealing with Ye and Nick Fuentes, they should really take a moment to reflect on how fucking stupid it sounds to say that racism became a thing because of Obama. | ||
| Unless they're actually just trying to push Nazi shit, in which case they should just keep doing what they're doing. | ||
| They're killing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This brings me to the other point here. | ||
| This is important to understand. | ||
| Gavin is not trying to talk Ye out of being anti-Semitic. | ||
| He's engaging in exactly the same fool's errand that Alex was trying at the end of last week. | ||
| He's going to try to convince Ye to use different words and couch his comments in somewhat respectable and plausibly deniable language so they can get insanely rich together while pushing hate. | ||
| Ye is an incredible business opportunity for anyone who can manage to pull that off, but none of these people seem to realize that he's not interested in that at all. | ||
| He and Nick understand that's what people like Alex and Gavin are doing, and they know they're not interested, so they're essentially just showing up for the free publicity and to spread their hate message to whatever audience they can get in front of. | ||
| Ye won't do this talk with Gavin where he's gonna try and talk him off the ledge off-camera. | ||
| Because the only reason to do it is to do it publicly. | ||
| And because it has to be done publicly, Gavin has to use bullshit pretenses to approach the conversation. | ||
| He can't just say, hey, be kind of anti-Semitic and we'll do a lot of business together. | ||
| He has to pretend that he's trying to talk you out of anti-Semitism. | ||
| If you watch this and you think Gavin has any sincere, principled opposition to anti-Semitism, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. | ||
| And that's a George Strait reference. | ||
| Wait a second, wait a second. | ||
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What? | |
| I'm not good at geography, but I think that Arizona is landlocked. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's a George Strait reference. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| All right, all right. | ||
| Now I'm getting it. | ||
| It's an old country song. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Those country guys are very clever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For some reason, I thought it was... | ||
| I had it in my head as Oceanfront Property in San Antone. | ||
| Oh, but that... | ||
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It's not. | |
| It's Arizona. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's going to be in Amarillo by morning. | ||
| From San Antone. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Traffic is really terrible these days. | ||
| I don't think he's going to make it. | ||
| He's going to be looking for eight when they pull that gate. | ||
| I hope that judge ain't blind. | ||
| Amarillo by morning. | ||
| Amarillo's on my... | ||
| Any excuse I can to wind you up towards singing. | ||
| Lost my saddle in Houston. | ||
| Alright, now I need an excuse to wind you down. | ||
| So here's a little bit more of Gavin discussing his pretense. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They're a tenacious bunch. | ||
| They are successful whites. | ||
| I think Jews are doing well because they're just whites that don't drink. | ||
| If I didn't drink, I'd be president by now. | ||
| So my goal here is just to get them out of what I fear. | ||
| Well, he's in, which is the rut of anti-Semitism, where if it rains on your birthday, it's the Jews. | ||
| That old rut. | ||
| You know, we see this with tracks in the hood going, whites are preventing me from doing anything. | ||
| I could go to school and get a PhD in accounting. | ||
| I'd never have a job because of racism. | ||
| So it's a crippling mentality. | ||
| And it's not intellectually adventurous to have a blame group. | ||
| And Jews have done a lot of good things. | ||
| For all movements, including, like, racial realism. | ||
| Anyway, it's a tall order, and he might shut me down, but you gotta try, right? | ||
| Gotta try. | ||
| Alright, should we start? | ||
| They say it's a hopeless fight, but I... | ||
| I say I gotta try. | ||
| Now I'm gonna keep singing. | ||
| It's for speeches like that that the word defenestrate was created. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I don't think he's anywhere near a window, though. | ||
| It sounded like he was in the car when he was recording that. | ||
| You can't defenestrate someone from a car. | ||
| You could throw him right out the front windshield! | ||
| I mean, it's gonna be hard. | ||
| It's gonna be hard. | ||
| That is not why they created that word. | ||
| That's why they created that word. | ||
| I swear to you. | ||
| Specifically not for car situations. | ||
| Gavin McGinnis was why defenestrate was made. | ||
| So it appears that Gavin's approach is gonna... | ||
| Got him! | ||
| Do you think for a second that Nick hasn't rambled endlessly at Ye about race realist ideas by this point? | ||
| That's one of his big things. | ||
| Nick is into race realism. | ||
| He's got this base covered, buddy. | ||
| Hey, come on, Ye. | ||
| You can't hate the Jews. | ||
| The Jews are racist, too, sometimes. | ||
| We can all do it. | ||
| It's what brings us together. | ||
| I'm gonna guess that Gavin's talking about folks like Richard Herrnstein who was Douglas Murray's co-author on the widely discredited book The Bell Curve which is pretty foundational as a text for race realists there may be other figures that he's thinking of too but whatever the case this is a losing point to make for a wide audience and it's a losing point if you want to try and bring this to yay as some kind of a way to Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| Pathetic is a premise, because you're never going to be able to sell it. | ||
| You're just not. | ||
| He's not selling to me right now. | ||
| Obviously, you're not going to convince the guy I just watched go on Infowars, deny the Holocaust, that anti-Semitism is bad. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| You know it, and I know it. | ||
| And it's definitely not going to happen on the show. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that Gavin might have a little hubris here, because he might be drunk. | ||
| He said he had a Bloody Mary. | ||
| I don't know if he had one. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, the... | ||
| A normal amount of Bloody Marys to drink is one. | ||
| At like... | ||
| 10 in the morning. | ||
| Unless you're at some brunch place that has, like, a flight. | ||
| Well, I mean, you say it. | ||
| They have different kinds of Bloody Marys, and maybe you want to try the spicy one. | ||
| But every time a restaurant has been like, oh, we've got bottomless Bloody Marys, somebody goes and interviews yay about anti-Semitism. | ||
| So, you know, we're dealing with a double-edged sword. | ||
| Keep it in the bottomless mimosa territory. | ||
| Exactly, yes. | ||
| So, we start this interview off, and there's similarities between the way that The attempts are robust. | ||
| So this is Saturday afternoon, two days after the Infowars interview, and I was just telling you before we started filming that we were watching it at home, and Ryan and I were just looking at each other. | ||
| About every 20 minutes, we'd look at each other and just go... | ||
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Like, this is a big deal. | |
| We can use this, man. | ||
| This was an event. | ||
| Let's turn a human being into a product. | ||
| The biggest reaction, the most positive one, is it's the craziest, most punk rock thing since the Sex Pistols got kicked off the Bill Grundy show. | ||
| But on the other end of the spectrum, people are saying this is bad for a presidential campaign, to say the least. | ||
| Where do you stand on that spectrum? | ||
| I think it's awesome for a presidential campaign. | ||
| To have someone that's honest, that understands the state of the world. | ||
| And that's ready to listen to what the American people need. | ||
| But Hitler's got a pretty bad reputation. | ||
| Well, who made that reputation? | ||
| That was made by Jewish people. | ||
| Well, the murdering Jews was a pretty big part of his bad reputation. | ||
| Yeah, but some of it's incorrect. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So, uh, you might have noticed his voice is muffled because he's wearing the mask again. | ||
| He's wearing the mask, yeah. | ||
| I've already assumed that the mask is just never coming off. | ||
| Yeah, it's his thing now. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Also, if you think you're gonna come into an interaction with Ye and say, hey, you know, Hitler killed a lot of people, and expect that to mean anything or advance your point at all, you're either a fucking idiot or you're carrying water for Ye and his Hitler campaign. | ||
| Gavin's first point that he wants to make to Ye is a compliment and then some subtle tone policing. | ||
| He's calling the interview that he did with Alex punk rock and then dropping a reminder that it's probably not good for his campaign. | ||
| This is a classic approach of the you did a great job, but here's how you do it better, except the person he's talking to is comically rich, a million times more famous than Gavin, and doesn't give a shit about his advice about how to do his racism better. | ||
| Why the fuck would a yay take advice from Gavin on how to be a public racist? | ||
| He's one of the most embarrassing examples of public racists that we've seen come up in the last five or six years. | ||
| He's an embarrassment to the racists. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it seems very difficult to take advice from somebody like Gavin whenever you're super famous wearing a mask. | ||
| Person just wandering onto places telling people that Hitler is cool. | ||
| And they still invite you on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're just some asshole who invented vice and then everybody hates you forever. | ||
| And now you're the guy who did the Proud Boys? | ||
| You are somebody who's going around and making a campaign of being a completely inflammatory, anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people are still inviting you onto their shows. | ||
| Still! | ||
| You think that for a second that person is going to take the advice of the person who's still inviting them on the show? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It is a little bit like, you know, that relationship where you fall in love with somebody, but then the more you're with them, the more you're like, oh, you should wear this, and oh, you should wear this, and then five years later, it's a different person, and you wonder why you don't love them anymore. | ||
| And it's because you're trying to change the thing that made you want them in the first place. | ||
| And that is that Ye loves Hitler. | ||
| That's why you invited him on. | ||
| You can't change his mind. | ||
| Then he won't come on your show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, it's not really punk rock. | ||
| I mean, his example is the Sex Pistols getting kicked off a show. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't get kicked off a show. | ||
| He didn't do anything that was really that transgressive except a public opinion. | ||
| Alex didn't really have that much of a problem with it. | ||
| I just have to say Nazi punks fuck off! | ||
| I feel like that's the most punk rock thing you can say. | ||
| That's fair enough. | ||
| So apparently, Ye has expanded the sphere of influence that the Jews have over society. | ||
| We all know the... | ||
| Wait, Ye did it? | ||
| Well, we know that there's the classic tropes of the banks and Hollywood and stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But apparently there's more that's under the control. | ||
| Jewish people control... | ||
| The majority of the media, along with banks, along with real estate, along with, you know, malls, they can control the narrative. | ||
| Like, history is written by the winners. | ||
| They were upset that Hitler was kicking them out of the country. | ||
| By the time, I mean, the Holocaust, there's only 250,000 Jews left. | ||
| We're really diving into it here. | ||
| I mean, yeah, let's get into real information at this point. | ||
| You know, what did they think were going to happen? | ||
| Matter of fact, it's like, I think the Jews are, like, really, I think the Jewish, like, Mossad and Rahm Emanuel and Bibi Netanyahu and all of them, I think they really got soft out here. | ||
| Like, I'm getting to walk around and say the truth out loud. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Oh, no, they got them dropping headphones over here. | ||
| So it's really fun to learn that apparently malls are an anti-Semitic conspiracy trigger. | ||
| I'll add that to the pile. | ||
| Shopping malls. | ||
| You know, this is the thing that it seems like on its face is just easy to see through. | ||
| Like, okay, you're telling me that Jews control all of that stuff, but every time I see people who actually control it... | ||
| They won't shut the fuck up about how they control it. | ||
| Like, mall barons, railroad barons, all these guys are constantly like, we fucking own this shit, do what you say. | ||
| I haven't seen anybody do that. | ||
| Well, the mall thing has to do with, you have to piece this together from context clues of various rants that he's been going on. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And this has to do with he wanted to have, like, a retail shop. | ||
| He wanted to have a store that was put in malls, and apparently somebody at some corporation was like, we'll give you a trial, we'll run one, and he didn't think that was big enough. | ||
| He wanted to be all over the place and have his own store. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And I think he's blaming the Jews for that. | ||
| Alright, so this is like an escape room, but at the end of every clue, it's the Jews' fault. | ||
| Yeah, I think he would solve it very quickly if that was what the escape room was. | ||
| Yeah, I think he would get there awful quick. | ||
| I think that Ye should reflect on what he's saying. | ||
| He thinks that Mossad and Netanyahu have gotten soft because they haven't killed him yet, and maybe it's not that anyone's gotten soft, it's that Ye believes in anti-Semitic conspiracy that anyone who questions the Jews gets killed by their amazing assassination teams. | ||
| Maybe people aren't killed for being bigots, but bigots are pretty consistently obsessed with how someone is going to kill them for speaking their false truths. | ||
| A larger point is that Ye is once again engaging in Holocaust denial and getting no pushback from the people hosting him, who are presumably there to talk him out of his antisemitism. | ||
| The census that was taken in Germany in June 1933 put the Jewish population of Germany at approximately 505,000 people. | ||
| This was when the Nazis took power, and in the intervening years, many Jewish people did flee. | ||
| But no matter what number you cite for the Jewish population in Germany, it's important to remember that the Nazis were expansionist, and they held territory beyond one country's borders. | ||
| Notably, the Nazis occupied Poland, where the population of Jews went from 3.3 million to approximately 300 million. | ||
| It seems pretty clear here that Ye has gotten some pretty elementary basic Holocaust denial memes and talking points, most likely from Nick, and now he's going to go on a campaign of repeating them as loudly as he can whenever he's given a chance to talk, and folks like Gavin are hoping to get in on the scam. | ||
| Only they don't realize it's not a scam, and they're being useful idiots to help anti-Semitism spread. | ||
| It's, uh, it's really... | ||
| bad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it feels like they are so dumb. | ||
| But in a way of like, well, we're just doing what we're... | ||
| Always do. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| With other scam people. | ||
| Yeah, you're part of the scam now, and you're supposed to be doing the thing. | ||
| And despite the fact that they've seen other people fail, they keep going to him and being like, well, obviously, but that's because Alex sucks. | ||
| I'm Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| I created the Proud Boys. | ||
| So I'm going to make a series of trying to talk Ye off the ledge that he's not on. | ||
| He's not on a ledge. | ||
| He's jumped. | ||
| He's flying. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| He's falling down. | ||
| And nobody is, there's no ground. | ||
| The joke's on you, Gavin. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, the point is when he hits the ground, it's going to hurt a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not just him. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Gavin has some thoughts. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't care. | ||
| I'm going to have an intervention here for you and Nick. | ||
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Oh, fuck off. | |
| Let me just make a case. | ||
| I don't know you. | ||
| Yes, there are almost 80 to 90% of Hollywood is Jewish. | ||
| Probably more. | ||
| What? | ||
| You already? | ||
| Yeah, I'm gonna say like 80% of media is Jewish, but I see the Jews we're talking about in these cases as liberal elites, high IQ people, whites, and when you have, like they're disproportionately represented in medicine too. | ||
| Because they have high IQs. | ||
| So the problem isn't these Jews, and most of them are secular Jews, atheists. | ||
| I don't see Soros as Jewish. | ||
| So we have these secular, mostly atheist Jewish people with high IQs who dominate fields that tend to require high IQs. | ||
| They're overrepresented in chess and mathematics, too. | ||
| So the real issue here, and there is an ethnomasochism, there is some sort of like, let's burn it to the ground. | ||
| But I think that trait is a white trait, a liberal elite white trait. | ||
| Oh, not even white per se, a liberal elite trait. | ||
| Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, they also have these traits. | ||
| And there's some sort of like lemming DNA in white people where when they reach a certain amount of success, they just want to take it off a cliff. | ||
| And I don't like when Jews get pulled into that because... | ||
| When I think of my Orthodox Jewish friends and even my Hasidic friends, these people are conservative, Trump-supporting, you know, American patriots. | ||
| And the Jews that are getting lumped in with this sort of ethnomasochistic cultural suicide tend not really to be Jewish. | ||
| I call them Jinos, Jews in name only. | ||
| It's liberal elite whites you should have a beef with. | ||
| Yeah, but I lump them all in together. | ||
| That's what I did. | ||
| Okay, that's good. | ||
| That's why the tweet said that, Jewish people. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But this trait, like, you know, blacks are overrepresented in violent crime. | ||
| But when you meet an individual black person, you don't apply that. | ||
| You start with a fresh slate every time you meet someone. | ||
| Do you do that with Jews? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| This intervention isn't going very well. | ||
| That's because by no means is it an intervention. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not even the slightest bit. | ||
| You yourself in your question are like, well, yeah, obviously Jews are the problem. | ||
| But it's not like 100%. | ||
| It's like 85%. | ||
| We can be cool, right? | ||
| And let's call it liberal elites or something. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| It's a marketing meeting. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's not an intervention. | ||
| Yeah, we're branding. | ||
| We're figuring out how to brand. | ||
| Which is ironic considering what we're talking about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's just like... | ||
| Yeah, he does not give a shit. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| He doesn't want to play these games with him. | ||
| He's saying what he's saying. | ||
| The only people who seem to not be accepting what the reality of this is are people like Alex, people like Tim Pool, people like Gavin. | ||
| And it's because they want that business opportunity that comes from Ye moderating his message and becoming part of their business and their revenue stream. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, the unspoken question that they can never have. | ||
| Because it's too obvious, is the, well, yes, yay, you are pointing out what racism is to us, and we also understand that. | ||
| But what you're missing is that, uh... | ||
| Even we aren't racist. | ||
| We just want money. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So when you classify all people... | ||
| We are racist. | ||
| Oh, well, for sure. | ||
| We also are... | ||
| It's a little bit more important to run this scam and keep that moving. | ||
| And we prioritize running the scam through facilitating and pushing racism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there is a point at which it crosses a line and it is no longer good for business. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What I'm saying is we're trying to tell you, yay. | ||
| That despite racism being an absolute, you know, you believe that races are a thing, and that's inarguable, right? | ||
| We don't actually believe that. | ||
| Our beliefs are fungible based on benefit for us personally. | ||
| So while you think that racism is important, we think money's important, and then we'll lie about racism for fun! | ||
| The only thing I take issue with is I do think that there's still a sincere interest in racism. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's not all just because it's advantageous for the business. | ||
| Right, but the irony of them talking to Ye is Ye is being a racist, right? | ||
| He's not using coded language. | ||
| He's not trying to hide it whatsoever. | ||
| And that means that when you talk to him, if he says, no, I lump them all in together, you're supposed to say, that's how it goes. | ||
| That's what race is. | ||
| That's what we're doing, too. | ||
| But instead, he's somehow being like, listen, all Jews are bad, except for like 5%. | ||
| See, I'm not racist. | ||
| Like, that's insane! | ||
| Right. | ||
| And as you were sort of reacting to, like, and I get to determine who is and is not. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's not Jewish because I said so, so I don't have to be racist towards him. | ||
| Racism makes sense. | ||
| I can make up my own distinctions that allow me to argue that I'm not actually the thing everyone knows I am. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, the no true Scotsman applies to you on everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, look, I think that there is an issue where we're just not going to necessarily sort of call out and discuss every single stupid thing that Ye or Gavin says. | ||
| That's not possible. | ||
| So apologies in advance for that. | ||
| But here's just some grievances that Ye has that I think are kind of dumb. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And my mom was a liberal, and she went to a state school called Chicago State, and they gave her a job there. | ||
| And put us on the south side of Chicago on 79th Street. | ||
| My experience has brought me to be the richest black man of all time, a multi-billionaire. | ||
| And the people at Adidas, they wouldn't even take meetings with me. | ||
| And I was 68% of their online sales and brought Adidas back. | ||
| And then when I was in the Kardashian family, I had no say-so on where we had Christmas. | ||
| There was only one time I even got to design the Christmas party. | ||
| Why is this in your list of complaints? | ||
| The family that I married into didn't let me design the Christmas party enough. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Seems a little petty. | ||
| I just don't think we should convince people that they're the Messiah. | ||
| I just don't think we should do it anymore. | ||
| I think we should try and reign it back. | ||
| You know firsthand. | ||
| Reign it back. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bad move. | ||
| It causes problems for not just you, but everyone really. | ||
| So there's a collusion going on among Jews, according to these folk who are in this interview. | ||
| And apparently the pornography obsession comes back, of course. | ||
| We are beings with engineering opportunities. | ||
| There's a lot of culture that we've got to just clean that out. | ||
| We've got to say, okay, for a fact, there's a collusion of Jewish attorneys, managers, and everything else you can think of that they don't abort their children. | ||
| They only marry within their tribe, right? | ||
| And then they'll give America porn. | ||
| Not just black people, but poor white people and Mexican people. | ||
| They use porn in wars. | ||
| It's like gas. | ||
| When we talk about gas chambers, this is the gas chamber. | ||
| It's a silent killer. | ||
| And it's legal. | ||
| And they put it on every single block. | ||
| And they use my ex-wife to sell it. | ||
| And also, they want to dumb us down. | ||
| Let me let some of these other incredible individuals speak for a second. | ||
| I'm going to put my hand back on the Bible. | ||
| Jews suffer from porn the same way everyone else does. | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
| Good rebuttal. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Good rebuttal. | ||
| What is... | ||
| This is right out of the anti-Semitic narrative textbook, I guess. | ||
| E. Michael Jones, certainly one of the inspirations for... | ||
| Fuentes and Owen Benjamin and Milo Yiannopoulos, people all within... | ||
| Oh, and Ali Alexander. | ||
| Basically all of the people who are in Ye's orbit currently are all followers and admirers of E. Michael Jones, who one of his big claims to fame is arguing that Jews use pornography as a weapon against Western culture. | ||
| So, I mean, he's just... | ||
| Spouting that off. | ||
| And instead of understanding really what's going on, Gavin is like, yes, pornography, so bad. | ||
| And the reason he's saying that, I mean, I guess he's kind of in that camp too. | ||
| Maybe he doesn't interpret it or experience it as an anti-Semitic narrative and talking point. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But I mean, one of the requirements to get into the Proud Boys is you can't beat off. | ||
| So, you know, he's an old hat in these waters. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to name cereals. | ||
| Don't touch your dick. | ||
| I just, I mean, just... | ||
| I'm so annoyed. | ||
| I'm so annoyed whenever people can't just be like, listen, if you... | ||
| Expend your sexual energy. | ||
| We think you won't have enough to do killing for what we want you to do. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| So you can't jerk off. | ||
| You need that energy and hate to kill people with. | ||
| To be in a street fight. | ||
| That's how we have to do it. | ||
| With our gang that we have created. | ||
| It's very smart and it's impossible to see through and nobody's ever had this idea in the past. | ||
| So yeah, this isn't good. | ||
| But, Gavin... | ||
| asks about what do you do about these problems? | ||
| You know, like these problems that you see. | ||
| Well, I go around on different shows and I yell at losers about it. | ||
| Not what are you doing. | ||
| What would you do? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| The main issue is that Christ is king. | ||
| Christ is the true King of Israel. | ||
| Christ is the King of all kings. | ||
| If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are wrong. | ||
| And anyone that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ should not be in control or any influence to anything that America produces, be it media, technology, politics, farming, medicine, prisons. | ||
| If you do not believe in Christ and you're not following Christ in the decisions that you make, you should have no influence on that. | ||
| Well, that's going to be a tough thing to institute. | ||
| So you're president of the United States. | ||
| The Hitler thing does not hurt your campaign. | ||
| It helps my campaign. | ||
| Okay, it helps your campaign. | ||
| It's day one, and they go, someone walks in and they go, so what are we going to do about these Jews? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| What do you mean, do about them? | ||
| Well, is there any action involved? | ||
| Like, they're overly represented and met. | ||
| Lots of people who don't believe in Christ. | ||
| I would probably wager that in your average hospital in New York, Maybe a third or less believe in Christ. | ||
| So are you suggesting we get rid of two-thirds of the doctors? | ||
| Not get rid of, like not violently get rid of them. | ||
| Fire them? | ||
| I think that Jews are very intelligent, but they don't deserve to be in charge of everything because they don't put Christ in. | ||
| How do you legislate that? | ||
| They need to work for Christians. | ||
| Jews should work for Christians. | ||
| I'll hire a Jewish person in a second. | ||
| If I knew they weren't a spy and I could look through their phone and follow them to their house and have a camera all in their living room. | ||
| This isn't a joke, but they're all laughing because if they didn't, Gavin would have to take what Ye is saying seriously and he couldn't handle that. | ||
| This is directly in line with things that Ye and Nick have said in the past, so I don't believe that this isn't a sincerely held view, that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus the same way that they do should have no place of influence in society. | ||
| They're discussing Ye's ideas, and one of the first things he throws out is that he'd create a stratified society with a broad underclass of people who are ineligible to run businesses, hold public office, or own malls, presumably. | ||
| The things that Ye is advocating for are abhorrent to any right-thinking person who cares about the ideals of freedom, individuality, and small government the way that folks like Gavin pretend to. | ||
| It's the easiest thing to push back on, too, and yet... | ||
| Gavin doesn't really do so effectively, and I think that's probably because he wants the same thing, just maybe with a differently worded definition of who belongs in that marginalized underclass. | ||
| In some sense, Ye's refusal to relent on anything has the effect of revealing how little the people he's talking to really believe. | ||
| They may be pretty loud about loving the Constitution when they're on their own, but they don't love it enough to fight with a really famous person suggesting that Jews shouldn't be allowed to work in government jobs. | ||
| There are too many things that could go wrong, and Ye might walk out on Gavin. | ||
| It's just episode one of his supposed series, and you don't want that. | ||
| In that situation, it's best just to laugh at this suggestion so you can pretend later that he didn't really mean it, and the joke's on me. | ||
| Dan, the guy listening to this, because I took it seriously. | ||
| But, Ye is sitting there with Nick Fuentes, who, if you need a reminder, said this in October. | ||
| They hate Jesus. | ||
| If you hate Jesus, you have a problem with me. | ||
| Newsflash. | ||
| And every Christian, this should be the mantra. | ||
| If you hate Jesus, you have a problem with Christians. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| Don't tell me religious Jews or whatever. | ||
| Question. | ||
| Do you hate Jesus? | ||
| Because if you do, that's a problem. | ||
| That's a big problem. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| It's especially a big problem if you have any influence whatsoever. | ||
| If you hate Jesus and you have influence, it's my job that you don't have influence anymore. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Because I'm a real Christian. | ||
| I'm not just one of these, hey, believe whatever you want. | ||
| Our job is to save souls and get people to heaven and fight the devil. | ||
| So don't tell me they're entitled to their religion. | ||
| If their religion involves my Lord in hell, then they can get the fuck out of America, frankly. | ||
| And so far as that's your belief, then you have no business being here. | ||
| Certainly have no business being anywhere near the levers of power if you believe that. | ||
| Because who do you serve if you don't serve Jesus Christ? | ||
| You serve the devil. | ||
| You serve Satan. | ||
| This is clearly a position that these dudes have, and it's something that should be taken very seriously. | ||
| These aren't the kinds of ideas you have fun conversations about, and you have to consider both sides. | ||
| And if you think that's what you're doing, the joke is on you, Gavin. | ||
| And, you know, when Nick is saying that stuff, like, if you believe my lord is burning in hell, that's his view of Jews. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not like... | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He lumps them all together, as you might imagine. | ||
| Much like his dear friend Jay. | ||
| As you might imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, this is something that, if allowed to come anywhere near having political influence of their own, is a priority for them. | ||
| The marginalization of... | ||
| particularly Jewish people but then also anyone who isn't a Christian according to their definition of Christianity. | ||
| Yeah, they're ineligible for all sorts of things whether it be owning a business. | ||
| I would imagine teaching You know You'd ruin young minds. | ||
| Right, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, you can't be in government because you'd be too close to being able to make decisions that affect Christians. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's almost impossible to imagine a scenario like this one unless you were to look at American history from anywhere from, you know, like 20 years back and then keep going. | ||
| And that's essentially the same thing. | ||
| But this time, more specific towards... | ||
| Jews. | ||
| It's really messed up stuff. | ||
| And I don't feel like there's a great pushback going on here. | ||
| It's him being like, oh no, the Holocaust didn't happen. | ||
| And him being like, well, what would you do if you had control? | ||
| And I'd be like, I'd culturally Holocaust them, duh. | ||
| I would make steps that advance towards another one. | ||
| The logical conclusion of what I believe is the thing that I am denying would happen. | ||
| And that is why I'm telling you that when I would do it, it wouldn't happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, so Nick has an interesting thought here, and by interesting, I mean pathetic. | ||
| If you look at white kids, there's nothing, I don't think, intrinsic in white people that makes them hate themselves. | ||
| Like, when I was a kid... | ||
| Kids loved Hitler in the sense that we see the videos and we see the propaganda and the symbols and there's something compelling about it just on an aesthetic level. | ||
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| I've never heard that before. | ||
| When you were a little kid, like eight years old, all your friends liked Hitler? | ||
| Well, maybe not eight years old, but on 4chan and on the internet. | ||
| Very popular. | ||
| That's a pretty revealing and sad clip. | ||
| Nick is saying that when he was younger, kids his age loved Hitler and his evidence is 4chan. | ||
| I have some bad news about those people Nick thinks were kids. | ||
| They were adults who were trying to spread racist memes to trick kids into thinking there was something cool and compelling about the Nazis. | ||
| This is kind of... | ||
| Saying this out loud should be an embarrassment for Nick. | ||
| He should feel bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Listen, when I was growing up, it was super cool to wear a white hood and a white cloak, and everybody seems like that's crazy now. | ||
| And then I found out that I was just growing up inside the Klan, and that was not a generalized experience. | ||
| Instead, I was a cosplaying loser, much like Nick. | ||
| I was hanging out in a Nazi-adjacent forum. | ||
| Yeah, so when I was growing up, I was heiling Hitler like 16, 20 times a day! | ||
| All of my friends were doing it! | ||
| You couldn't not heile Hitler in that camp! | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Maybe self-selected. | ||
| So, here's a good example of why you can't really argue with people like Nick. | ||
| Because it's just, there's no win. | ||
| By the way, who were the architects of leftism? | ||
| People always point the finger at cultural Marxism. | ||
| Cultural Marxists got kicked out of Germany by Hitler because they were Jewish leftists. | ||
| Atheists, too. | ||
| Like Marx, Soros, Soros' dad, they were all atheists. | ||
| You're helping him! | ||
| When you look into this sabotage, you're going to see a disproportionate number of people who don't believe in God. | ||
| Well, but there's something about Judaism, too, though, that it's not just that they don't believe in God, but they don't believe in Jesus Christ. | ||
| And I think that so much of our atheist society is really a product of Judaism. | ||
| They're really kind of like the first atheists. | ||
| See? | ||
| See? | ||
| This is what you can't argue. | ||
| You start off with Nick suggesting that Jewish people are responsible for creating leftism. | ||
| Now, Gavin tries to rebut this and argue... | ||
| Yeah, sort of rebut this. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, don't give him too much credit. | ||
| He was basically assisting him. | ||
| It was a pass. | ||
| But it's like what Alex did. | ||
| Let's reframe this. | ||
| It's atheists. | ||
| This is the real issue. | ||
| You know, like trying to give a shiny coat of paint on top of... | ||
| Nick's old racism and anti-Semitism and, of course, the rebuttal is... | ||
| Jews made atheism. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| No matter what, there's just going to be another avenue that takes you to the place where Nick wants to go. | ||
| He can absorb your argument and then put a layer on top of it that is, aha, guess what? | ||
| You don't realize that the thing that you're pointing to is actually the Jews, too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| It's insane that they are pretending like they don't understand when Kanye and Nick say, well, we lump them all in together. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Like, it is, and they seem almost slightly incredulous to that concept of like, no, that's what you do. | ||
| That's the point of, that's what racism is. | ||
| It's lumping them all in together. | ||
| Do you not understand? | ||
| So, Gavin asks Nick how he would solve the issues, and he calls it the Jewish problem, which is a, you know, that's certainly... | ||
| Did Gavin call it that? | ||
| I believe he does, and I think he's trying to be funny by sort of signaling to Nazi ideas. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But whatever the case, Nick's idea isn't good. | ||
| What do you say, Nick, if you guys are president, vice president, well, you're too young, but you know what I mean, hypothetically. | ||
| How do you institute this fixing the Jew problem? | ||
| In medicine, for example. | ||
| Well, I would pass. | ||
| I think in medicine it's less of an issue. | ||
| The real issue is communications, because mass communications has changed the world forever. | ||
| A hundred years ago, and particularly 30 years ago, we need to have Christian standards guiding that, because the goal of our society is to be moving people into heaven. | ||
| If you have atheists, whether they're Jewish or white, running the media, it doesn't facilitate that. | ||
| How do you fix that? | ||
| So I would want decency standards. | ||
| Even if you can't say we're going to have the government come in and fire all the Jews running the media, let's have the lawmakers make laws that govern the media, that say we don't want pornography on the internet. | ||
| We don't want pornography, frankly, anywhere. | ||
| We don't want indecency. | ||
| We want... | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That doesn't do it like let's just have open free speech. | ||
| No one can get canceled. | ||
| And now there's no more problem with control. | ||
| This shouldn't be something that Gavin says that's fine to. | ||
| Even if he's okay with the cancerous anti-Semitic beliefs Nick is throwing at him, he should not be fine with the prescription of decency standards enforced by the government. | ||
| Like, how do you think his show would fare against decency standards? | ||
| Gavin has a podcast called Free Speech, which is essentially his entire branding. | ||
| He can't just meekly accept a fast-talking Nazi coming on his show and saying that the government needs to crush free speech just because I guess they don't like porno. | ||
| That doesn't work. | ||
| Gavin had another show called Free Speech. | ||
| Two different shows. | ||
| And this one was where he tried to book a liberal and a conservative to chat and hash out their issues. | ||
| Fun fact, one episode featured Proud Boy Rambo Joe Biggs as the conservative guest who is now facing charges of seditious conspiracy regarding his involvement in January 6th. | ||
| Really cool, though, for Gavin to book one of the leaders of his Really giving back. | ||
| Nick is advocating for a theocratic society, which is antithetical to the Constitution and everything these right-wing shitheads pretend to value. | ||
| If they want to pretend to be all tolerant and not offended by racism and anti-Semitism, they could still push back on this stuff pretty fiercely, and it would just be in the battle and the war of ideas and what have you, and yet they don't really even do that. | ||
| Gavin's response to what Nick is saying is essentially a non-sequitur. | ||
| For folks like him, free speech has become such a catchphrase that it kind of has lost any meaning. | ||
| He's trying to argue with a guy who's saying that free speech should be destroyed by saying that we should just have free speech. | ||
| Gavin is used to dealing with shithead grifting types who hide their true ideas behind universally acceptable terms like free speech, so he's not really prepared to talk to a smart young man who's ready to just torpedo the pretenses and say the quiet parts incredibly loud. | ||
| Gavin is left just trying to look after the wreckage of those pretenses. | ||
| He's just trying to, like, clean up, and he looks like a fucking idiot. | ||
| I mean, I find it so absurd to, like, simultaneously read about the continuing, the ongoing protests fighting in Iran. | ||
| The murders, the execution, like, all of this shit is going on. | ||
| And then to hear the fucking... | ||
| Baby Ayatollah show up on Gavin McGinnis' show calling for decency laws. | ||
| That's fucking insane! | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is insane! | ||
| And it's insane. | ||
| It's outrageous to think that Gavin isn't more... | ||
| We gotta dig into this one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you mean by decency standards? | ||
| Hold the fucking phone. | ||
| Who's going to determine what is or is not decent? | ||
| Even different branches of Christianity would have sort of different particularities about what is a priority for decency. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I was gesturing so wildly I threw my vape. | ||
| You gesticulated yourself. | ||
| You did a vape take. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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Gotta reset. | |
| Yeah, it's a lot of bullshit. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I don't know how it is possible for you to even pretend to call yourself a comedian. | ||
| And then listen to somebody say, I think we should have decency laws and go, you know what? | ||
| That's not a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| I think Lenny Bruce should have been arrested. | ||
| Let's get rid of cancel culture and get back to imprison culture. | ||
| That's what we need to do. | ||
| I'm sick of people saying, oh, you can't say this. | ||
| I want people who swear to go to jail. | ||
| I don't want these woke people complaining about things that are... | ||
| I want basically theocrats arresting people. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's a good argument. | ||
| It's compelling. | ||
| Great work. | ||
| So, I thought this was really funny and then scary. | ||
| Some stuff Ye has to say. | ||
| How do I say F Instagram in a Christian way? | ||
| Screw Instagram. | ||
| You've already said it in a non... | ||
| Now, turn to Nick as the expert. | ||
| I think that's okay. | ||
| I think we can say it in a better way. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Pray for Instagram. | ||
| Pray for Instagram. | ||
| Pray for the Instagram users, right? | ||
| Because Instagram is a platform. | ||
| And because there's so many predators online, anyone that likes a photo of a woman that's half naked with a string of her butt is a sexual predator. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Hey, McGinnis, show us your browser history, buddy. | ||
| Wonderful hosting. | ||
| Maybe you should have had half of Bloody Mary before this. | ||
| Great call. | ||
| Everybody who likes a picture on Instagram is a sexual predator. | ||
| I mean, granted, I don't have a lot of experience on Instagram, but I know I hear a lot of people talking about sliding in DMs and stuff, and I think... | ||
| There probably are a lot of people who harass a lot of folks on Instagram, but liking a picture is not equivalent. | ||
| If we want to deal with that... | ||
| That's a different conversation. | ||
| Let's start way back to just all sex pestery happening across this great land of ours, fucking constantly and in every facet of every woman's life on a dear fucking daily basis. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| He doesn't want to talk about that. | ||
| No, he doesn't want to talk about that. | ||
| Nor does Gavin. | ||
| He would rather talk about unnamed... | ||
| Faceless women he can objectify and then use as an object to get what he wants. | ||
| You know, like pornography. | ||
| So, also, I do appreciate making it a little bare that... | ||
| Pray for means fuck you. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| What are you, from Texas? | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Bless your heart. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Way to go. | ||
| Very genteel. | ||
| So, we know that Ye loves everyone. | ||
| That's been a big part of his whole campaign. | ||
| It's what makes him saying, I love Hitler, so acceptable. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| According to him and Nick. | ||
| I thought it was all of his money and fame. | ||
| Well, that's what makes it possible. | ||
| Ah, there we go. | ||
| But he hides behind that idea of, like, I'm saying I love everyone. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You know, which is a little bit disingenuous and all, but... | ||
| And I want to maintain that Jews are a second-class citizen that must be serving us at all times, and we have to surveil them. | ||
| Otherwise, yeah, you know, I love everybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what it comes down to. | ||
| There's an abstract idea of love. | ||
| But, now, when we talk about how things are going to run... | ||
| Maybe it's not a little different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love everyone. | ||
| I love black, white, straight, gay, rich, poor, Jewish, that follow God, Zionist Jews, Nazis, slave masters, slave owners, record owners, record labels. | ||
| You know, the Joe Francis that was involved with the sex tape. | ||
| I love... | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| The doctor that performed the final plastic surgery on my mom, my cousin that was watching my mom. | ||
| I love everyone. | ||
| That is what leaning into God is. | ||
| And that's the only way we cure the world is by loving. | ||
| Now, as far as setting up the rules of the country, this is a Christian country. | ||
| And the rules of the country will be based on the Bible. | ||
| We're going to realign. | ||
| We're going to align the Constitution with the Bible and update it. | ||
| And we're in the process of doing that right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's a pretty perfect way to end the interview. | ||
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What? | |
| Yay, thanks so much for letting me talk to you. | ||
| What? | ||
| I still don't really... | ||
| Understand how today's conversation relates to Infowars. | ||
| You love Jews, but you're canceled for anti-Semitism because you also love Hitler, but you love everyone equally. | ||
| Good guys and bad guys. | ||
| Yeah, Jewish people can't tell me who I can love and who I can't love. | ||
| You can't force your pain on everyone else. | ||
| Jewish people, forgive Hitler today. | ||
| Let it go. | ||
| Let it go. | ||
| And stop trying to force it on other people. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I don't care how famous a person is or how much they may theoretically do for me, potentially. | ||
| If I am ever in an interview, giving or receiving an interview that makes me look as dumb as Gavin McGinnis looks right now, I will fight. | ||
| Tooth and nail to keep it from getting out to the viewing public. | ||
| Kevin released this. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Kanye would have had to rip it from my cold, dead hands before that goes out to the viewing public. | ||
| That is shameful. | ||
| Yeah, he's saying that you're going to create a new constitution that is theocratically based. | ||
| Hey, enjoy that First Amendment while you still have it, you free speech absolutist. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| So he's saying that you're in the process of creating a new constitution. | ||
| Like, hey... | ||
| You know, that's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. | ||
| Hey, can I say the Lord's name in vain? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Wait, I can't say the Lord's name in vain? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Well, then I don't have free speech, so then we don't have the fucking Constitution. | ||
| Interview over. | ||
| Let's leave. | ||
| Can we go? | ||
| I have two shows called Free Speech. | ||
| Can we go? | ||
| And I'm gonna just have to say, hey, you got some interesting ideas. | ||
| I can't understand why people are calling you an anti-Semite. | ||
| Can I take the Lord's name in vain? | ||
| No? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Are you gonna get rid of the part of the Bible that reminds you of when Jews were available? | ||
| Is that what's going to go on? | ||
| None of this is Bible-based. | ||
| None of this is Constitution-based. | ||
| You're a bunch of racists who believe weird shit, and you're just trying to rewrite it, and you make it up on the fly! | ||
| Yeah, and it's opportunistically using religion as a cover for all sorts of other stuff. | ||
| Religion makes people crazy. | ||
| So I think there's one thing that you might be happy to hear, and that is immediately after the interview, Gavin realized that he had whiffed. | ||
| He realizes he failed. | ||
| So that was five hours with Ye. | ||
| What?! | ||
| Uh, I guess I tried to talk him off the ledge as far as Nazi stuff goes. | ||
| Who do I think I am? | ||
| My ego is one of the most popular entertainers in the world and he's gonna, he doesn't even know me. | ||
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This is, my ego tells me this is who I am. | |
| And this is who I actually am. | ||
| You might have had a few more Bloody Marys. | ||
| I think that's probably as good as it's going to get for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's as close to self-reflection as I can expect. | ||
| Well, here's him just sort of admitting defeat. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Saving Ye didn't work when Gavin did it. | ||
| It's Christ's job. | ||
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And Christ can do anything. | |
| So this was like 40 minutes of an interview, and I would really love to get a look at the other hours that were undoubtedly recording. | ||
| They did not have just no tape going. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| You don't have yay there for five hours and produce that small. | ||
| Oh, we forgot to press play on the recording. | ||
| Honestly, can we start it up again? | ||
| We'll just do a quick 20-30 minutes on it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| So I really do appreciate that at the very least, Gavin is doing a little soul-searching and realizing that doing this interview was a stupid idea. | ||
| Maybe not a stupid idea in terms of getting publicity, but if his goal really was to talk Ye out of being an anti-Semite, then Gavin failed the test before he picked up a pen. | ||
| And part of that is because he's just like every other shithead con man on the right, whose beliefs are completely maladaptive. | ||
| It seems like Gavin didn't realize or didn't appreciate that Ye doesn't want to be talked off any ledge, and he's not on a ledge. | ||
| He's acting like Ye is an old friend who fell in with a bad crowd, and yeah, sure. | ||
| Yay is in with a bad crowd, but he's not an impressionable teen. | ||
| He's not being tricked into being an anti-Semite. | ||
| He's a willing participant and antagonist in this whole operation. | ||
| Through the course of this interview, Gavin has gone through the big transformation from part one of our episode into part two. | ||
| At the beginning, he thought he could handle Ye like he handles all the other opportunistic shitheads that he deals with and get him to moderate his position so they can get rich together. | ||
| This is almost like an escalation of attempts to moderate Ye. | ||
| Tim Pool is the most ineffectual loser in the right-wing space, so that's a situation where there's not even really going to be meaningful pushback. | ||
| If he does try to help Ye smooth out his positions, it'll be the softest touch imaginable. | ||
| You might not even notice it. | ||
| Then, Alex is a little bit more coarse. | ||
| He traffics in some of these same anti-Semitic ideas himself, and he has a lot of experience whitewashing them for the larger audience, so he's naturally gonna try and help Ye into the box where they can make some money together. | ||
| Then, Gavin is the next level of offensive shithead. | ||
| If Alex's version of acceptable antisemitism is too watered down for you, perhaps you'd like the version sold to you by the drunk guy who started a street gang that was involved in planning a seditious conspiracy involving January 6th. | ||
| Gavin is a little more edgy than Alex, so his attempts to soften Ye's anti-Semitic shit are a little edgier, and they're still not even close to being effective because Ye doesn't want to be softened or have this message whitewashed. | ||
| He's saying what he wants to say. | ||
| Ye has now essentially done a speedrun of all the right-wing media from dopey to edgy and rebuffed all of their attempts to make his positions more palatable. | ||
| Nothing has been achieved for any side except for Ye and Nix. | ||
| They got a ton of attention. | ||
| Beyond that, a second goal has not been achieved, which leads us to the second element of this episode, which is where Crowder comes in a little more. | ||
| The first use of this that is so effective for the right-wing stuff is trying to convince him... | ||
| To soften these ideas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's what Alex did for three hours. | ||
| It's what Tim Pool probably would have done in some ways if he'd been given half a chance. | ||
| Play the game! | ||
| Yeah, and it's what Gavin set out. | ||
| It's the entire premise of saving Ye. | ||
| No, it's like... | ||
| It's the whole thing. | ||
| No, I mean, it is a draft pick. | ||
| Legitimately, like, hey, this guy, he's got some talent. | ||
| He's got a lot of stuff that we can use, but he's a little bit rough around the side. | ||
| If we can develop him into... | ||
| He could be the star quarterback for our team. | ||
| He's just got to get development, you know? | ||
| He's just got to practice on being an A's. | ||
| See how we do it in our system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Learn the plays. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So that's the one first element. | ||
| And now the second element comes in with Crowder and Alex. | ||
| And just to give a sort of brief synopsis of what this is, it's the using Kanye as a prop to be like, my opinions aren't that bad. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm not yay. | ||
| Right, so they finally figured out the best way to use him is to treat him like Alex. | ||
| Well, how Alex used to be treated. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so we're going to see that a bit in this interview where Crowder sits down with Alex and talks about... | ||
| Alex breaks his silence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, sooner or later, they were going to be like, well, we can't use him the way we want to. | ||
| So guess what? | ||
| We're going to say that at least we're not as racist as a black man. | ||
| The beginning of this episode is just Crowder being funny, and so I haven't included any of that. | ||
| I'm not going to put you through that. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Alex comes in a ways into the episode, and they talk for maybe half an hour, 40 minutes, or something like that, and then there's more in the mug club. | ||
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Oh. | |
| And I'm not a member of the mug club. | ||
| You're still not going to join the mug club. | ||
| No, I don't know about that, and this is plenty. | ||
| So we start here with Crowder kind of giving a hey, buddy, to Alex. | ||
| Hey, it looks like you had a tough time there, buddy. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Mr. Jones, thank you for being with us, sir. | ||
| I felt we needed to include that context. | ||
| Boy, it seemed like you were holding on for a bumpy ride with that interview. | ||
| Do I have that about right? | ||
| Did you expect that in your wildest dreams? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| And I didn't say what he could talk about, but I said, can we just try to bring people together? | ||
| Talk about real issues like human trafficking and fentanyl and how you want to bring jobs back to America and really see the deeper side of you and not just soundbites. | ||
| And they were like, yeah, in fact, he doesn't want to even get into that stuff. | ||
| But then right away, sitting in the same studio I'm in right now, Thursday, bam, and I thought he was joking at first. | ||
| Why would you think he was joking at first? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Do you have no idea the things he had been saying previous to this? | ||
| I think this is pretty sad. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I have developed a new form. | ||
| I'm against the incarcerative state. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, justice is difficult to, like, figure out. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And prescriptive justice is really difficult. | ||
| So what I've decided is that Alex needs a court-appointed referee, right? | ||
| So anywhere he goes, like, on a conversation like this. | ||
| Well, that's like my final state. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| We need that to be enshrined into law. | ||
| Red card. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Red card, you're out. | ||
| That's done. | ||
| All right, next. | ||
| There needs to be a way that they can't go in off and be by themselves and talk like this. | ||
| This is totally off topic, but I remember one time my brother played soccer, and I went to a game, and one of the guys on his team got a yellow card. | ||
| The ref pulled it out. | ||
| He took it from the ref and ate it. | ||
| And then immediately the ref pulls out a red card. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, yeah. | ||
| But you gotta eat that one, too. | ||
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He did! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| I was probably like eight or something when that happened. | ||
| Still hilarious. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| So Alex, he has to kind of figure out a way to explain what was going on, and he's decided that this was a trolling thing. | ||
| They were trolling, even though, very explicitly, multiple times during the interview, EA says, this isn't trolling. | ||
| I'm telling you what I think. | ||
| I'm telling you what I believe. | ||
| It is just so outside of the pale for these people to actually have to confront someone who believes the things that they lie about. | ||
| Or that they lie about not believing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He puts the mask, he unzips the mask, and then it's really creepy in person with the mask. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, I mean, really... | ||
| I would see this as almost like a giant trolling operation, really. | ||
| He was super high on adrenaline when he did it. | ||
| He feels really good about it. | ||
| And he, I don't think, has a very good historical knowledge about World War II either. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| So, I mean, he really is in love with all of that design, which so much of what the Nazis designed ended up being brought over with Operation Paperclip. | ||
| So, if it's bad that Yeh says he loves Hitler, then it's even worse that our own government brought tens of thousands of Nazis in at the end of World War II to run most of the major agencies. | ||
| Alex is still trying to excuse what Ye said by making false equivalences. | ||
| Ye denied the Holocaust, but 70 years ago, the government brought over Nazi scientists to work on rockets, so who's really to say what's what? | ||
| Uninformed. | ||
| It's a strange thing to argue, and the ultimate irony is if he said that in front of Ye, Ye would say that it's great that the U.S. brought over Nazis because he loves Nazis. | ||
| In essence, Alex is trying to control this narrative now that there isn't that pesky person the narrative is about there to stop him. | ||
| Yes, that's what I believe! | ||
| No, he doesn't believe that. | ||
| No, I do! | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's why I said it! | ||
| I say things because I mean them! | ||
| Do you not understand that principle whatsoever? | ||
| It's really bizarre. | ||
| I mean, it's not bizarre. | ||
| It's a desperate attempt to salvage whatever you can out of, you know, make good out of bad, as it were. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So Alex has some opposition to Nazis, and that's great, although I think that maybe some of the ways that he understands his opposition to Nazis is a little personal. | ||
| And maybe his problems and complaints about the Nazis are never like invading other countries, systematic genocide of people. | ||
| That's a huge issue. | ||
| Causing a world war. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem. | ||
| These things are not what he seems to have a problem with. | ||
| It's like, they almost killed my grandpa. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| And I was bringing up historic, real things about the Nazis that my family, you know, who were in World War II, told me about. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| We saw that in Germany, or we saw that in Italy. | ||
| Again, both my grandfathers almost died, both of them, World War II. | ||
| I almost don't exist because of it. | ||
| And they talked about what the Nazis were like. | ||
| And my mom's dad also worked on some black budget weapons programs in the 50s and 60s and just said that he'd been in some military bases that had Nazis on them and they were very, very arrogant. | ||
| And he didn't like having to work with them in some of these programs. | ||
| Sounded like eight years old hearing my grandfather in Austin, Texas, sitting around the kitchen table bitching about... | ||
| You know, Nazis and working on secret weapons programs and how arrogant they were and how much he hated the government bringing them in here. | ||
| So that's a real thing that's going on. | ||
| So my dislike of Nazis really comes from my grandfathers, who both didn't like them very much. | ||
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That seems not that... | |
| For someone who's claimed to have read 100 books about World War II and studied everything about this... | ||
| Seems like your reasons for disliking Nazis wouldn't be, they're arrogant. | ||
| Or my grandfather said working with them wasn't fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's bizarre. | ||
| No, I mean, what's interesting to me about it is that it comes from the same point of view as Ye in my envisioning is because these people cannot see outside of their heads. | ||
| You know, they can only see through their own eyes. | ||
| They have no ability to, like... | ||
| See the world from outside of that. | ||
| So everything has to relate to something that has happened to him. | ||
| Pornography is bad, not because of the Jews, but because Kanye is addicted to pornography. | ||
| World War II is bad, not because of the Holocaust, but because it hurt Alex's... | ||
| Grandfather. | ||
| I understand that you have to make it personal and take it personal. | ||
| But also, the difference between those two things that you're describing, because I do think there's an important difference, and that is that Ye is not taking responsibility for this part, and he's blaming the Jews for everything. | ||
| Whereas Alex is... | ||
| Blaming the globalists? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's not really blaming anybody in this clip. | ||
| In this particular clip, yes. | ||
| He's just taking it personally, and that's how he understands World War II, basically. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that's maybe inconsequential in the grand scheme. | ||
| Maybe small. | ||
| You know, sometimes when you say, however you get there, at least you got there. | ||
| I don't know if this is where... | ||
| Not this time. | ||
| So, the matter of how Alex thought the interview would go comes up. | ||
| And I gotta call a lot of bullshit on this. | ||
| I really thought I could come in here and shut up at first and let him get it out of his system, even if he did it. | ||
| I was saying, hey, let's do something different. | ||
| Let's show him your intellectual side. | ||
| Let's get into a bunch of issues. | ||
| And I had all these issues in front of me. | ||
| He goes, why don't you just set those aside? | ||
| We're not getting into that. | ||
| I was like, okay, he's letting me know he's in control. | ||
| And so I figured after an hour at least, he would let me kind of then bring up some topics I wanted. | ||
| But you kind of had the salacious crumb, the baby Hitler of Nick Fuentes over there. | ||
| That was a joke Jimmy Kimmel made. | ||
| Like, where have I seen this before? | ||
| And it's, I'm Jabba the Hutt, and there's salacious crumb sitting there. | ||
| But seriously, I didn't know that Nick Fuentes was really a Nazi lover. | ||
| I've had him on over the years three or four times whenever he was being debanked or censored, and he would be like, no, I'm not a Nazi. | ||
| I just care about white people's rights. | ||
| So I want to say that I know definitively that that's not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex knew... | ||
| Damn well that Nick and his associates were very much into Hitler and Nazis. | ||
| Definitively. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That is complete bullshit. | ||
| Alex engaged with him well aware of his beliefs and the way that these things were being hidden. | ||
| I don't believe for a second that they went on the road together for the Stop the Steal stuff and nothing of the true nature of Nick's beliefs were made clear. | ||
| And think about this. | ||
| Ali Alexander is now in charge, presumably in charge, or at least very involved in Ye's campaign. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Calling it a campaign gives it a legitimacy that I refuse to accept, but that's fine. | ||
| It could be a publicity campaign. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Vanity campaign. | ||
| It could be a World of Warcraft campaign. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Alex went to Georgia and to these other states with Ali Alexander and Nick Fuentes. | ||
| So now he has two people who were deeply involved with his own 2020 election conspiracies and stuff. | ||
| And Ali is pretty involved with Infowars. | ||
| Now they are both the people who are involved with the I Love Hitler guys presidential campaign. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is far more involved and entwined in this than he wants to believe. | ||
| He's in too deep. | ||
| He let these people very close to him. | ||
| And like I said, I know that he knows about these people's beliefs. | ||
| He did this to himself. | ||
| And he deserves every bit of criticism and association that people are making. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, you don't have any talent of your own, and then the closest thing you could get to talent was an 18-year-old Nazi. | ||
| Look, I understand. | ||
| He's an impressive guy. | ||
| Nick is very talented, especially compared to different talents than Alex. | ||
| He's the youngest Nazi that we know, at least. | ||
| What a... | ||
| That's the biggest compliment I have to give. | ||
| What a superlative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex does not like Hitler. | ||
| Hitler was a disaster. | ||
| Hitler was a pedophile. | ||
| Hitler was horrible. | ||
| Screw Hitler. | ||
| Burn in hell Hitler. | ||
| And the left uses Hitler to push their communist agenda that is basically just as bad and authoritarian to call all of us Hitler. | ||
| And so people are so sick of being called Hitler, they go, hey, if Hitler's so powerful, let's just say we're with Hitler. | ||
| And that's what these people are doing. | ||
| And I felt like I was sucked in to a giant publicity stunt. | ||
| Now, I'm not mad at either person. | ||
| I understand that they probably even believe what they're doing, but no. | ||
| I saw a whole bunch of programs like the Young Turds and all of them say, Jones is just mad they let the secret out. | ||
| Jones likes Hitler. | ||
| No. | ||
| I hate authoritarians. | ||
| I hate communists. | ||
| I hate Xi Jinping. | ||
| I hate Hitler. | ||
| I hate Mao Zedong. | ||
| I hate Stalin. | ||
| I hate Fidel Castro. | ||
| I hate Hugo Chavez. | ||
| I love George Washington. | ||
| I love Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| I love American strength and freedom and power and Christianity and open societies and capitalism and free speech. | ||
| And I want it back now! | ||
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So burn in hell, Hitler and Stalin and Mao! | |
| Burn in hell! | ||
| This is what I told Piers Morgan. | ||
| Hitler took the guns. | ||
| Stalin took the guns. | ||
| Mao took the guns. | ||
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And if you try to take our guns, 1776 will commence again! | |
| It almost feels like Alex dissociated for a moment there. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That was weird. | ||
| Yeah, the Piers Morgan thing is a completely off-topic point. | ||
| I think he was just searching his mind for stock things to shout that involve Hitler, and that's one of his big ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It kind of gives the impression that he's not really mentally processing this conversation. | ||
| Might be a little bit on autopilot, and also wanting to relive those... | ||
| 1776 2.0. | ||
| Oh, I'm feeling it! | ||
| You remember how much press he got because of yelling that stuff? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, he was on CNN with Piers Morgan. | ||
| Glory days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He went to that gun show where Piers Morgan was doing a remote and he begged him to come back on the show. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because he got such a good hit of adrenaline from being in there and getting all that attention. | ||
| It was so good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he wants to relive that a little bit now, I think. | ||
| And you're getting a different kind of attention now. | ||
| We're tired of your shit now. | ||
| Everyone's tired. | ||
| I'm very tired of things being very obvious. | ||
| You know, like, two of the most hateful people on the planet I've just listened to list things they love. | ||
| For a while. | ||
| I don't have to regularly list things that I love or hate in order to prove something. | ||
| You don't have to list off a bunch of things that you love to provide cover for the fact that you love the Nazis. | ||
| I mean, also, I don't have to list off a bunch of things that I hate and then say I love them to make people think that I'm not hating myself, which is what Ye did. | ||
| So there was this dynamic that was going on with the Ye show, and that was this I love everybody. | ||
| And that was, you know, it's pretty clear that that was a little bit of a bullshit kind of move. | ||
| When he listed things that he said he loved, he was only listing them because those are the things that he hates. | ||
| And people know that, so he has to say that he loves them. | ||
| Except for things like Nazis and Hitler. | ||
| He loves Nazis and Hitler. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And even beyond the love stuff, I mean, there was just the, like, Holocaust didn't happen stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I gotta say... | ||
| Even Crowder doesn't buy this shit. | ||
| Like, he doesn't, like, go in for the I love everybody act. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And I have to say that when you have Steven Crowder being like, this is some bullshit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's a bad sign for how flimsy your nonsense is. | ||
| You have people trying to defend it saying, well, and there's validity to this. | ||
| Kanye West said, I love everybody. | ||
| He didn't say he hated anybody. | ||
| He said, I love Jews, I love Hitler. | ||
| But he did go out of his way to praise... | ||
| Actions of Hitler while condemning actions of Jews in this sort of general monolith. | ||
| And he did actively deny the Holocaust. | ||
| So to act as though it was an equivalency of I love everybody, that's not what happened with that interview. | ||
| Now if people out there want to say, hey, he has every right to love Hitler, of course. | ||
| And if you say I agree with him when he says he loves Hitler and that the Holocaust didn't happen, fine. | ||
| But to act as though there was this equivalency, you know, on your show in its totality. | ||
| Sure, he said he loved everyone, but he did have specific praise. | ||
| For some totalitarian dictators. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good when Steven Crowder sees through your fucking game and is calling it out. | ||
| I do not know who enshrined the right to love Hitler. | ||
| I think we can revoke that right. | ||
| I don't think you should have the right to love Hitler. | ||
| You can't love Hitler. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Demand it. | ||
| Bill of rights. | ||
| No loving Hitler. | ||
| How does this work functionally? | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| How do you legislate this? | ||
| If somebody does it, you say stop it. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| It's against the law! | ||
| What if you are Hitler's parents? | ||
| They killed themselves. | ||
| Or no, they just died. | ||
| Put yourself in that situation. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Is it still illegal? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely, because he's a genocider. | ||
| I think you're going to have a tough time writing this into law. | ||
| I'm telling you, I feel like a very specific law, like if somebody has committed genocide, they don't get love anymore. | ||
| I feel like that's fine. | ||
| You're sounding like Alex's mom. | ||
| Anybody who's committed genocide, off my knee. | ||
| You don't get love no more. | ||
| I think that this is a... | ||
| This is the kind of legislation that you're going to spend a lot of time trying to craft, and you're just wasting taxpayers' dollars. | ||
| It's going to be tough. | ||
| I really think we can nail it down, though. | ||
| Also probably against free speech. | ||
| Love isn't speech. | ||
| Money is. | ||
| That's Citizens United, baby. | ||
| So Stephen Crowder is kind of pushing back on this in a way that is kind of surprising in as much as he actually is asking Alex, do you think the media got this one right? | ||
| Like, that Ye actually is an anti-Semite? | ||
| I'm mad. | ||
| How do you think the press has covered it? | ||
| And I don't mean you, I think that, I don't mean, of course they'll try and tarn feather you, but I'm saying, do you think that this, the way the press has said that, hey, Kanye West, Ye on Alex Jones, went off and was very obviously incredibly anti-Semitic? | ||
| Do we think that in this case, was the press partially right? | ||
| In other words, are they completely misrepresenting it? | ||
| Or when you were sitting there, did you feel as though this is probably not productive for him? | ||
| Look, I like Kanye West. | ||
| I like Ye. | ||
| I think he really means well. | ||
| You know, I don't know if Nick Fuentes believes what he's doing. | ||
| Nick says a lot of really good stuff I agree with. | ||
| Once I heard him endorse... | ||
| That he thinks Hitler's great. | ||
| I lost a lot of respect for him because I know Nick's really smart. | ||
| Was that four or five years ago? | ||
| And I'm not saying Ye isn't smart, but he's kind of a savant and has a lot of talent and stuff. | ||
| And so, yeah, I think in the long run, Ye wants to be a big revolutionary and wants to hit the barbed wire, as he said. | ||
| He said, you're Terminator 1, we're Terminator 10. And I just really think at the end of the day that that's not the case. | ||
| The left have adopted so many of the actual Nazi tactics of control. | ||
| And their whole system of lockdowns, what you see in China, big groups of people by the tens of thousands being marched together, being led by one Pied Piper in the whole white medical uniform. | ||
| That's the real typology that the Nazis were striving for. | ||
| And we know that Hitler and, of course, Joseph Goebbels wrote about how, this is public, they wanted to take over England and kill H.G. Wells and kill Bertrand Russell and others. | ||
| Because H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell had a competing authoritarian world government leftist model. | ||
| So just real quick, Alex is referring to Hitler's Black Book, which was a list of people he wanted rounded up and killed after the Nazis' planned invasion of the UK in Operation Sea Lion. | ||
| Alex just made up that they want to kill H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell because they were setting up a rivaling world government. | ||
| That is, for all intents and purposes, Alex whitewashing Nazi history. | ||
| Hitler wanted to kill Wells because he ran an organization called Poets, Essayists, and Novelists International, which expelled the German branch of the group because they only accepted Aryan writers into their membership. | ||
| He was a very vocal critic of the German government and was a very understandable target, especially considering the offense he'd made against Germany's place in the art and culture world. | ||
| The reasoning was similar for Russell. | ||
| He had been a non-interventionist and he'd switched positions and decided that Hitler was a threat to all of Europe and needed to be fought. | ||
| The list includes a bunch of folks like Virginia Woolf, who they wanted to kill because she was married to a Jewish man, and Aldous Huxley because he helped Jewish artists and writers flee from Germany. | ||
| What Alex is saying is complete bullshit and it's carrying water for Hitler. | ||
| Now, larger picture, what Crowder is doing here is the second stage of the purpose Ye serves to the right wing, as we discussed in sort of two parts of the episode. | ||
| Crowder seems to have realized what so many have missed, which is that Ye means this shit. | ||
| He's not going to relent, and maybe people are right to call him anti-Semitic. | ||
| He's getting ahead of the ball for a very important purpose, which is essentially to create an avatar of an antisemite so he can use them to excuse his own toxic opinions. | ||
| Anytime he's accused of saying something fucked up or antisemitic, he can say, I'm not yay, and that has the effect of giving him some breathing room. | ||
| Alex knows this dynamic well, since he was on the other side of it for most of his career, and still is used that way from time to time. | ||
| Most of Glenn Beck's conspiracy bullshit early career was predicated on him saying something insane and then saying, I'm not Alex Jones, and pretending that proves rationality. | ||
| Even within the last year, when he was being grilled about his promotion of Great Replacement conspiracies, Tucker Carlson shot back, this isn't some Alex Jones shit. | ||
| Ye can fill a very important role for these right-wing media figures, which is to be the person they are not, which excuses their rhetoric. | ||
| That person goes too far, and I'm not that person, therefore I've not gone too far, and what I'm saying is acceptable. | ||
| And when you have someone like Ye, it provides a rare opportunity where there's this huge celebrity, so the media's eyes will be on what he's saying, and he's a bombastic personality, so he's not going to take this halfway. | ||
| This combination leads to the conversation going so far past the point of acceptability that it allows people like Crowder to move the ball a little bit down the field, and then it doesn't look like he's done anything. | ||
| For instance, in response to Ye denying the Holocaust, Crowder can condemn that but then decry the problem of, quote, secular humanists with Jewish last names in Hollywood. | ||
| That's pretty fucked up stuff, but when it's compared to what Ye's putting out there, it certainly doesn't seem that bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If Ye goes 50... | ||
| I can go 30. No, I mean, that's why when McGinnis says, you know, like, hey, it's not all the Jews. | ||
| It's most of the Jews, but not all of them. | ||
| You know, it's like, no, that's equally anti-Semitic. | ||
| Those are on equal footing. | ||
| And yet, because Ye is willing to say the full thing, and McGinnis gets the luxury of being able to be like, ha ha, I'm only 90% racist, then he gets away with it more than otherwise. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty simple. | ||
| And honestly, once the rest of the right-wing shitheads come to the realization that they're not going to be able to monetize Ye himself, this will be the next best thing for them to be able to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's going to be unfortunate because they have let him in a little bit, and that means that they can get burned by him once they start shitting on him. | ||
| And that could be a problem for all of them. | ||
| What amazes me is that they don't seem to realize that Nick is coming for them. | ||
| Well, we'll see that in a little bit. | ||
| That's what I think is very funny about all of this, is that they are looking at Nick and Ye going on all of these interviews thinking they're trying to do some white supremacist shit, not realizing that Nick is going for them. | ||
| He is choosing those people to attack in order to take their shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's basically like how he had this whole campaign against Turning Point USA. | ||
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| He wasn't going against some left group. | ||
| He was going against someone on the right because the people who are in that audience are far more likely to come over to his side than if he were to go to some Antifa meeting and cause a scene. | ||
| He can say things that these folks aren't saying and pretend that there's some kind of a secret conspiratorial reason why they're not saying these fucked up things that he's willing to say and then lure the audience over. | ||
| The same dynamic is essentially at play with These stops on his campaign tour. | ||
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Right. | |
| And they all think that he is like everybody else. | ||
| He's just another one of the parasites. | ||
| But this dude is a disease, man. | ||
| He is not going to suck you dry. | ||
| He's going to steal your shit and kill you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's good timing for someone like Alex to have to deal with something like this, considering that he just declared personal bankruptcy, his company's in bankruptcy, he owes a billion dollars. | ||
| He's at the height of his powers. | ||
| And it was just official. | ||
| This is actually kind of old news, but the... | ||
| Stuff that he owes because of these judgments is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's around his neck forever. | ||
| That was something that we already had an awareness of, but they had just sort of litigated that. | ||
| Officially said that. | ||
| He's in a perfect position to have somebody who he has enabled, platformed, legitimized, come in and say horrible things about him and try and leech off the audience. | ||
| You know, it's so weird. | ||
| That Sith Lords aren't, like, best buds. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, the one always tries to kill the other one. | ||
| It's like, why? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Just be best buds. | ||
| There can only be one Highlander. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| Of bullshit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex rambles a lot, and then he gets on to talking about Orwell in 1984. | ||
| Sure, great. | ||
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Good call. | |
| And he has some thoughts. | ||
| I would like some citations on this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I happen to know for a fact that the left and the tactic, that's what George Arwell wrote in 1984 about. | ||
| George Arwell was number two in the propaganda arm of British intelligence in World War II. | ||
| He'd been a communist before that in the Spanish Civil War and been a hero and heavily wounded. | ||
| But then when he actually got at the top of the British socialist society and recognized that... | ||
| That actually Stalin was being funded by the West, that it was actually a war against the individual in the future, and that Hitler had been wound up by British intelligence, not run by them, but actually built up and given power and funding early by the big banks. | ||
| He realized that... | ||
| There was a global authoritarian system that operated under different names, but basically had the same goal, total power and control. | ||
| And the reason I know that is not just reading 1984 probably eight, nine times. | ||
| Well, that's clear. | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| I read the writings, the essays in several big compendiums of George Arwell right before he died in 1949. | ||
| He finished 1984 in like 1947. | ||
| But he died about a year and a half later. | ||
| And so George Arwell had this view of it as well. | ||
| He thought the Nazis were the ultimate evil. | ||
| He fought them before World War II in Spain and against Franco. | ||
| And then he later learned there was a more evil group of Fabian socialists, British intelligence, basically Spectre, what you see in the James Bond movies. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| James Bond is Spectre. | ||
| And I'm not saying all of British intelligence, but that British Empire model that merged with America at Bretton Woods, and then America became the world empire at that point, that system is full-spectrum dominance where they want to control all the major groups and then play them off against each other in a Hegelian dialectic. | ||
| So was it a good idea to have Ye on or not? | ||
| I would like to just ask him to provide... | ||
| Maybe some sources on any of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was fun. | ||
| I'm guessing he's referring to, like, homage to Catalonia? | ||
| I feel like I just got a lot of exposition from a steampunk novel, like, telling me about the previous history before the apocalypse happened. | ||
| That's what I feel like. | ||
| I just heard a lot of alternate reality. | ||
| I believe you, like... | ||
| You know, Oral worked at the BBC. | ||
| I don't know if he was number two in British intelligence and propaganda. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And he was a committed democratic socialist into the last years of his life. | ||
| This is a fun story, but I need Alex to substantiate any of this. | ||
| What I find comforting about this is for certain people... | ||
| Once they start talking about a subject, I no longer feel the need to know why. | ||
| You know, like when Alex starts talking about Orwell, I don't need to be like, oh, why is he saying this thing about this book that doesn't say the thing that he's saying it about? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's about the globalists. | ||
| I don't ask why. | ||
| It's about the globalists. | ||
| It's because he thinks that's what's real. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex has a new explanation for why Ye did what he did. | ||
| On his show. | ||
| Didn't he already give one? | ||
| People can go to Infowars.com because remember, I'm more censored than anybody else out there. | ||
| They can go to Infowars.com and they can also go to band.video and find the full interview and actually see it for themselves in context. | ||
| I can't bring myself to go watch it again because I can't stand watching myself, but I've watched a lot of excerpts and I just think what happened was... | ||
| He decided to go all the way. | ||
| He decided to try to be as shocking as possible and say, screw the world. | ||
| And then once he started pressing on the dopamine button, saying the things he said, he just couldn't stop. | ||
| And so it became, you know, just a situation of redlining the engine the entire time he was on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like that might be the case. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| Doesn't seem like that might be the case at all. | ||
| It's not adrenaline. | ||
| He was not addicted to adrenaline. | ||
| It's not like a crime of passion. | ||
| He brought Annette and Yahoo. | ||
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Yahoo. | |
| That was premeditated. | ||
| That was a murder one, if you will, of comedy. | ||
| Unless those props just happen to be at Alex's desk, which seems incredibly unlikely. | ||
| It would be a strange improv thing to... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We've had this net, and we've had this yoo-hoo out here for 20 years, thinking somebody's gonna put it together sooner or later, right? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And here it is. | ||
| Finally, it paid off. | ||
| In the moment, he just got caught up in it. | ||
| He said some offensive things, and then the adrenaline got the best of him. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I mean, it is... | ||
| Isn't that the same kind of excuse people tried to make for, like, Michael Richards? | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is so hard for them, because they're... | ||
| Lives are built around claiming that racism can't even happen because it doesn't exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it does, but only against white people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But then they're here and they're just like, man, I don't know if I can say that racism doesn't exist after that. | ||
| Well, we've got to come up with a bunch of new ways. | ||
| They're trying so many different ways to just be like, listen, it's okay to be a racist, but maybe not this racist. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's what they're saying. | ||
| So Crowder, he takes that cover that Ye has provided and gets into a little bit of his own anti-Semitism. | ||
| Fun! | ||
| There is a very big difference between, yes, I do think there's a conversation to be had about the secularists in the entertainment industry, and if someone wants to conflate that with anti-Semitism, what they're doing is saying, oh, is it because you're saying because they're Jewish? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm saying for the same reason that there are plenty of non-Jewish people in the entertainment industry who are involved with grooming, who are involved with, by the way, the degeneracy of society. | ||
| The only reason that there tend to be people who are largely atheist Jews in the entertainment industry or, for example, in banks, which compared to them as a percentage of the population is Jews for the same reason that there are plenty of Jews. | ||
| Jewish doctors. | ||
| This is that dynamic I was describing earlier on Full Display. | ||
| If these people's Jewishness isn't important, why is it important to have a conversation about secular humanists with Jewish names who are in Hollywood? | ||
| He didn't say it exactly that way in this clip, but that is what he's been going on about in the aftermath of the interview. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| is the indecency of Hollywood, shouldn't their Jewishness not even be a point worth bringing up? | ||
| Stephen's concerned with these people having Jewish names because he's making exactly the point he's pretending not to. | ||
| This is a pretty anti-Semitic position that Stephen is expressing, but because Ye is out there denying the Holocaust, it gives him the ability to express things like this and say, I'm not Ye. | ||
| My anti-Semitic conspiracy insinuations are rational. | ||
| Look at me. | ||
| I'm not that far out. | ||
| These are the kinds of side consequences that come with platforming someone like Ye, and I find it difficult to believe that these right-wing ding-dongs don't understand that. | ||
| This is what they want. | ||
| To be able to be bigots while taking an imaginary high ground when anyone calls them out for it so they don't have to feel bad about themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're in the wake of Ye and his bullshit just going, listen, that's crazy. | ||
| That wave is too big. | ||
| Now, I do think there's something to be said about talking about the wave. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And it's like, no, that's the problem. | ||
| So if Nick and Ye are anti-Semites... | ||
| They are. | ||
| But if they are. | ||
| No, they are. | ||
| They said they are. | ||
| But if it. | ||
| They said the words. | ||
| It might have just been adrenaline. | ||
| Words have to mean things, otherwise they aren't words. | ||
| They're just sounds. | ||
| They're just adrenaline. | ||
| They're sounds you're making. | ||
| I don't even understand you anymore. | ||
| Nick had just done six push-ups. | ||
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La, la, la, la. | |
| That's all I'm hearing. | ||
| Look, if they are, it's the left's fault. | ||
| The left has wrapped itself in, we're Captain America, we're fighting the Nazis, and everybody else are Nazis on the side. | ||
| That's made a lot of people get mad and say, okay, screw you, I'm a Nazi. | ||
| I think that's what's happening with Nick Fuentes and people like Kanye West. | ||
| But I'll tell you, I've been attacked massively by the ADL, all these other groups, and they wrap themselves in, we're Jews, and then they attack me in the name of Jews, which is then making a lot of people think, well, Alex Jones is good, you must be bad. | ||
| I have to say that this is a pretty pathetic attempt to avoid doing any soul-searching. | ||
| The left didn't do shit to make these idiots into Nazis, but Alex sure as shit has. | ||
| His entire worldview and imaginary enemies are characterized by complete plagiarisms from the protocols of the elders of Zion mixed up with anti-Semitic tropes from history like blood libel and well-poisoning. | ||
| He constantly makes excuses for raving bigots and anti-Semites and gives his audience flimsy arguments for why you shouldn't see them as raving bigots and anti-Semites, though. | ||
| And anyone who says that those people are anti-Semites are actually just mad that these people like freedom too much. | ||
| Alex has consistently hosted outright anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers on his show, and he never has had a problem funneling his audience into their information spaces so long as they keep their shit subtle on air. | ||
| The list of people from recent times is pretty long, but it goes as far back as he's been on air. | ||
| In recent 2003 episode that we did, we saw him interviewing Eric Huffschmidt, the Holocaust-denying techno DJ, and that wasn't an isolated incident. | ||
| Flash forward to the present day, he's having softball pretend debates with David Duke and Richard Spencer, and hosting friendly conversations with the man who has inspired a lot of Nick and Ye's current ideology, E. Michael Jones. | ||
| If anyone facilitated the slide further down the path toward anti-Semitism, it's been Alex with all of his non-existent standards for guest selection and show prep. | ||
| Even so, framing this whole thing as a reaction is unacceptable. | ||
| Ye and Nick are anti-Semites. | ||
| They've decided to be so because they believe bullshit. | ||
| Alex is trying to take moral responsibility away from their decision by saying that it's the left's evil manipulative actions that led them to becoming Nazis out of spite. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I guess it's spite. | ||
| The implication here is that if the left weren't doing the things that they were doing, Nick and Ye wouldn't be anti-Semites, which isn't true. | ||
| Nick's been this way for a long time, and Alex was fully aware of that the whole time he's known him. | ||
| Yeah, listening to this, it just reminds me of how unfortunate it is that we're all here. | ||
| I feel like if we could just get... | ||
| You know, all of the not-them people and go on a holiday for like... | ||
| Three or four weeks. | ||
| When we come back, they'd have killed each other. | ||
| Like, even this shit, they can't help but say, oh, it's the left that did it. | ||
| If we weren't here, they'd still blame the left and they'd just call each other the left and then kill each other. | ||
| Well, they already got Milo out. | ||
| Yeah, they got rhinos and they've got that. | ||
| They would kill each other if we weren't here for them to kill us. | ||
| Well, even this small group that is, like, around Ye is already incredibly volatile. | ||
| Milo was in and in charge and now he's out. | ||
| Maybe Ali Alexander has taken his place. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But yeah, there will be chaotic comings and goings. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think Nick is probably in... | ||
| He's in... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he owns it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's his show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's... | ||
| Their ideas are so dumb and so stupid. | ||
| That when they say them out loud and are challenged by another person of their ilk with dumb and stupid ideas that are different, they blame other people rather than even engage with their own ideas being dumb and stupid. | ||
| They're just both like, yeah, isn't it other people's fault we're stupid? | ||
| So many other people. | ||
| Oh my god, it's everybody else's fault. | ||
| So we got one last clip of Crowder here, or from Crowder's show. | ||
| I'm just simply saying the left weaponizing World War II that ended 76 years ago, 77, however many years ago, is very, very dangerous. | ||
| And the left's saying at universities, the national news, you cover it more than anybody, that being white's inherently bad and teaching courses on that is going to then make Nazis sound legitimate because here's a bunch of leftist academics and Hollywood people, a lot of Jews, literally trying to teach the majority minorities, who are now the majority, that, oh, white people who aren't... | ||
| And here, you can see Alex doing some acceptable anti-Semitism while getting to use Ye as cover. | ||
| This is absurd, but let's play around with this idea a little bit so you can see what Alex is actually saying here. | ||
| Leftist academics and Hollywood people, many of them Jewish, are teaching non-white people that all white people, except Jews, are inherently evil. | ||
| Seeing this kind of thing will make Nazis look legitimate, so the left is driving people toward becoming Nazis. | ||
| That's fascinating because I pretty much agree with Alex's construction, except for one part. | ||
| Academics and the media and Hollywood aren't saying that white people are inherently evil. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| That's a paranoid white identity fantasy that Alex uses for a bunch of different narrative shortcuts, but it's one that's just accepted as truth on his show. | ||
| It does make some sense that believing Alex's version of the world would make Nazis not look that bad, so in essence, if you believe the pipeline that Alex is describing, then he's actually responsible for the creation of a ton of Nazis. | ||
| He presents people with a false reality that makes the Nazis look less extreme than they actually are, thereby making them a more acceptable group to associate with or ally with. | ||
| How bad are the Nazis compared to the globalists who work for the literal devil and want to kill all humans? | ||
| Well, I mean, the thing about that, though, is whenever you turn things into that kind of duality, right? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So, as Yeh has said, you know, if you're not working for Christ, then you're working for the devil. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And he thinks that Hitler and the Nazis were good. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So they were working for Christ. | ||
| Which means that's what his position is, is that God wants you to kill Jews. | ||
| There are some implications that maybe would be best not explored if you're them. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| So these two documents, I believe, illustrate something of my point of the ways that Ye is being used by these folks. | ||
| The sort of natural progression that things take. | ||
| There is the immediate... | ||
| Desperate desire by these folks to try and soften and exploit and bring into the fold this incredibly famous celebrity that they can try and ride along with. | ||
| And it does not work because he is not on the same scam grift level that they are. | ||
| And then the ultimate conclusion is using him as a prop to justify your own bigotry. | ||
| Essentially, it's kind of Overton window-y in terms of how it works, or the way you would look at it. | ||
| It's like, yay goes this far, so you can go half that far. | ||
| Three quarters of the way downfield. | ||
| He's the battering ram, as he has even described himself as. | ||
| And it's bad. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| And people should know better. | ||
| I think they do know better, and they're actively participating in this. | ||
| Now, it's interesting to me that Steven Crowder, his appearance here is essentially only in the second phase. | ||
| And I suspect... | ||
| That's because Ye wouldn't go on his show. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think maybe there's a chance that, like, that booking didn't happen, and so Crowder didn't have to go through the first stage of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I bet he would have. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| In a heartbeat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's kind of the informative section of this. | ||
| But I thought, in the interest of fairness... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| I wanted to play some clips and discuss a Twitter Spaces that Nick Fuentes did in response to Alex's interview on Crowder's show. | ||
| He does not take kindly to some of the things that Alex has said. | ||
| And in response, he ends up... | ||
| Saying some things that Alex probably isn't going to appreciate being made public. | ||
| So, we start here, and Nick realizes that Richard Spencer's in the chat. | ||
| Hey, Richard Spencer in the chat. | ||
| Hey, let's give him a follow-up back. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So, I was going to do a space yesterday, but I didn't have time. | ||
| So I'm going to dive into it today. | ||
| And I wanted to respond to Alex Jones and that whole situation. | ||
| So as you know, me and yay went on Alex Jones and listen, I don't want to make it like a thing. | ||
| I mean, it was, it speaks for itself. | ||
| It was a totally awesome interview, game changer, entertaining, like nobody can deny that it was awesome. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Disagree. | ||
| Strongly. | ||
| Like, are you sure that was a good idea and that kind of thing? | ||
| That's all she had to say? | ||
| Everybody wants to break down. | ||
| Everybody wants the explanation. | ||
| Everybody, especially now, they're looking to me to go live. | ||
| I might break it down and say, listen, everybody, here's what it means. | ||
| Here's what it really means. | ||
| Here's the angle. | ||
| Here's the upshot. | ||
| Here's the point of it all. | ||
| But I think that kind of thinking is missing the point. | ||
| I think it speaks for itself. | ||
| I kind of agree. | ||
| I think it does speak for itself. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Spoke quite a bit for itself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't think he needs to comment on it, honestly. | ||
| Disagree that it was awesome. | ||
| Strong. | ||
| But I understand where he's coming from. | ||
| From his perspective, it is awesome. | ||
| He did exactly what he wanted to do and had the exact response largely. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I can't foresee another circumstance outside of him committing a domestic terrorist act where Nick Fuentes would get as much attention from the mainstream press and everything than this. | ||
| So, pretty awesome for him. | ||
| This is some weird... | ||
| Fucking dark mirror version of a dream that might have been mine when I was... | ||
| Very young, listening to College Dropout. | ||
| Just like, man, this song is so good. | ||
| Wouldn't it be cool to hang out with Ye? | ||
| Wouldn't it be cool to be a part of his presidential campaign? | ||
| Wouldn't it be cool to be a part of it? | ||
| Well, I mean, for what it's worth, Nick is a Kanye fan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, he's from Chicago. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Chicago area. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Chicagoland. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| And, you know, that's not something that's new. | ||
| So for him, it... | ||
| Probably is pretty fucking cool. | ||
| No, that's the coolest. | ||
| Just on the celebrity element of it alone. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This person that you've liked their music for years. | ||
| That's why it's a Black Mirror version of it. | ||
| Just because it is so much like, that is a dream I would have. | ||
| And then to have it be entirely anti-Semitism. | ||
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You get your wish. | |
| You get your wish. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But he's a Nazi. | ||
| What? | ||
| That is the worst? | ||
| Well, that would be, honestly, you know what that would be like. | ||
| God, that's a Make-A-Wish foundation gone horribly wrong! | ||
| I loved the Bostones growing up, and I would have loved to hang out with them, but now Dickie Barrett is like an anti-vaxxer and shit. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Never meet a hero. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, despite the fact that it speaks for itself, Nick decides he's going to speak. | ||
| He's got stuff to say. | ||
| Yeah, he's got stuff to say. | ||
| At the risk of sounding trite or unsophisticated. | ||
| To put it very simply, this entire system is put in place to control us. | ||
| Again, I know that's not really my most elite take. | ||
| What I mean by that is you see this guy wear a mask, he goes on the Alex Jones show, he says, I love Hitler, and we're going to stop dissing the Nazis all the time. | ||
| And of course, what's the obvious reaction? | ||
| Oh, you can't say that. | ||
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You can't say that. | |
| Oh, you can't say that in politics. | ||
| Oh, you know, you can't win if you say that. | ||
| Oh, that's not a good idea. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And, you know, I'm just kind of over it. | ||
| In the same way that in 2016, people were like, you know what? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Make America great again. | ||
| We're going to build a wall. | ||
| We're going to ban all Muslims. | ||
| Middle finger in your face. | ||
| You know, I know that's probably not how Ye would put it. | ||
| You know, I think we're sort of temperamentally slightly different in that regard. | ||
| That's sort of how I would put it. | ||
| It's like, we don't care. | ||
| The system is so ridiculous. | ||
| It is so suffocating. | ||
| It's so overbearing. | ||
| We're so sick of the double standards and the hypocrisy. | ||
| I really like to lean in to the surreal. | ||
| And the funny, and honestly, just the brutal honesty. | ||
| Yeah, so these bucking conventional wisdom that you can't say these things in the realm of politics. | ||
| And that's whatever. | ||
| But the conception there, I think, makes sense. | ||
| And I'm worried about the experiment. | ||
| Because there was a lot of, like, with Trump. | ||
| Like, he was talking about him having a big dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On a debate stage. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And stuff like that. | ||
| It was like, this doesn't work. | ||
| This doesn't fly. | ||
| And then it turns out, through brute force and sheer not giving a fuck, somehow it did work. | ||
| And the thing that Nick is articulating here is that is the way he's approaching being anti-Semitic in public. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That I'm just gonna brute force it. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's explaining something, I think, that is well known, which is that everybody right now is so fucking sick. | ||
| of listening to people lie to them all the time. | ||
| Be it politicians or media. | ||
| And you can say, oh, it's this media that's lying to me or this politician that's lying to you. | ||
| But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what side you're on, there's enough liars in both your teams that you're going to be mad. | ||
| And so what people want is authenticity, is honesty, and they respond to that even if it's fucking evil. | ||
| Right, and that's one of the big selling points that Trump had, and it's something that... | ||
| Even though he was lying all the time! | ||
| Right, and that's something that Ye can get into, too. | ||
| And he has other elements of the archetypes that people gravitated to about Trump. | ||
| The idea of being self-made, that authenticity, as you brought up. | ||
| Just having fame itself is enough for most people. | ||
| Sure, and presumably being willing to walk away from fame and fortune because of some kind of principle that he may or may not have. | ||
| Those things are, whether true or just illusions, are things that translate from a Trump campaign to a yay campaign that they do resonate with people. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think people are... | ||
| I don't think the electorate is big enough yet for the honesty of I love Hitler to win on the global stage. | ||
| I think it would be... | ||
| I think it would be tough. | ||
| I think... | ||
| That my biggest problem with being alive right now is not knowing if loving Hitler is a losing electoral strategy for sure. | ||
| I don't like knowing that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's what I'm saying about the experiment worries me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, what is there? | ||
| Is there a point at which that brute forcing of like, no, fuck this. | ||
| I don't care about your decency ideas. | ||
| And I don't care about your ideas of what I can and can't say. | ||
| Is there a line at which something is too far? | ||
| I mean, in Georgia, it is a very thin line that you have to go a long way for. | ||
| You gotta have lied about some abortions. | ||
| You gotta have all kinds of terrible things. | ||
| I wasn't following everything super closely, but I heard something about werewolves. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You have to go that far to just barely lose. | ||
| That's how far it's gotta go. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Ye and Nick apparently are kindred spirits, which I agree. | ||
| They're both... | ||
| They're both Nazis. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Now more than ever, and it's amazing because Ye and I are sort of kindred spirits in this, we are really on the same wavelength of, look, we're going to go out there, we're going to say what's on our heart, we're going to say what we feel, and whatever. | ||
| If the band gets frozen, like with him or with me, whatever. | ||
| We'll figure it out. | ||
| If we wind up broke, dead, murdered by the Jews, whatever. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Like, whatever. | ||
| And that's a feeling. | ||
| That's a feeling, sentiment. | ||
| But there's also a good reason for this, too. | ||
| Like, there's also, like, a cerebral explanation for it, which is, look at this guy. | ||
| He did everything right. | ||
| Secured the American dream. | ||
| He blew up doing what he loves, became rich, became famous, became a business owner, made products, and so on. | ||
| And look what happened. | ||
| They ripped his family apart. | ||
| They took his kids from him. | ||
| Who's they? | ||
| I know who you think they is, but that's not who they is. | ||
| And of course, I'm oversimplifying. | ||
| There's more to the story than that. | ||
| But the point is, look at the kind of society and look at what it produces. | ||
| It's not producing happy, healthy, fulfilled, satisfied people. | ||
| It just isn't. | ||
| It's producing yay. | ||
| And in fact, increasingly it's becoming impossible to build wealth, to have any semblance of independence, to have a healthy, decent marriage, respectable marriage, to raise your family. | ||
| Society is making all of this impossible. | ||
| And so my answer when people say, like, you know, you can't do this, or why do you think that's a good idea, or why should he do that, is, why not? | ||
| What's the alternative? | ||
| What else are you going to do other than put on a mask and go on Alex Jones and say, I love Hitler? | ||
| And people might say, oh, he could do a lot of things. | ||
| It's like, okay, well, what? | ||
| You can see here the way that Nick is able to put his finger on some actual existing social ills, like the difficulty people have building wealth these days. | ||
| He can use the recognition of these problems as a way to rope people in and appeal to actual problems they might be experiencing. | ||
| Then he can blame these problems on the Jews, creating a scapegoat that in effect reveals that he doesn't really actually care about those socialills themselves. | ||
| Recognizing them and performing empathy around them are tools that he uses to funnel people into his bigotry. | ||
| And to the question of, like, what other choice do they have? | ||
| Most importantly, though, is that the things that they are blaming... | ||
| Typically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, oh, it's harder to build wealth. | ||
| That's because the way that things have been set up is that people who agree with you wrote laws that made it impossible to do that. | ||
| It's because of your desires and ideology that the problems you're prescribing exist. | ||
| You have to be a little bit careful because I think that would be fairly accurate for Alex, but Nick's... | ||
| Policy set is not necessarily the same as a lot of the GOP. | ||
| I don't give a shit what policy set he has. | ||
| How is his policy? | ||
| That's like caring what Kanye's policy set is. | ||
| I don't care what his policies are. | ||
| Well, Nick would be in favor of, like, government regulation. | ||
| For one thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that is a fundamental difference between him and how Alex would approach some sorts of ways that government can intervene in things that would restrict people's ability to build wealth. | ||
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| For example, I'm not saying you should care necessarily, but I'm saying that you are not accurate if you are lumping him in with a lot of the More libertarian-esque policies and governmental ideas that we're used to talking about. | ||
| It's a little more complicated. | ||
| Yeah, alright. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, Nick thinks that people are overthinking things. | ||
| Maybe you should just look at things simply. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We've reached an impasse. | ||
| And at some point, people have to, and I'm a really big believer in this, maybe this is my age speaking, maybe this is naivete, maybe it's me being an amateur or something. | ||
| I think all those things can be positive. | ||
| A big part of my belief is that we are overthinking it, and we have thought ourselves into a box. | ||
| Telling ourselves what we can't do, what has never been done, what is not possible. | ||
| We have thought and argued and talked ourselves into an ever-shitting box of what is to be done about our current predicament. | ||
| Meaning, can't say this, can't do that, don't want to get banned on Twitter, don't want to lose your job, want to be a turning point ambassador, can't take a picture of this one, can't do that. | ||
| And people have come up with these convoluted, uninspiring, ridiculous strategies. | ||
| Inclusive populism, multiracial, working class populism. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Boring! | ||
| That's less likely to work than saying you love Hitler, in my opinion. | ||
| You know, if people think those are two bad options, you want to know which one I think is worse? | ||
| The one that doesn't get me excited. | ||
| The one that doesn't... | ||
| Grab my attention and get me on Twitter talking about it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, inclusive populism and multi-ethnic working class solidarity are not things that excite Nick. | ||
| Now, saying you love Hitler, that's exciting. | ||
| I do feel like he just put the epitaph on humanity. | ||
| Like, real honestly, like... | ||
| If two things are bad, I know which one I want to choose. | ||
| The one that excites me is literally what should be on humanity's gravestone. | ||
| And the one that riles people up for attention. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just bury us now. | ||
| Put it on the gravestone. | ||
| Well, I mean, the idea of inclusive populism or multiracial, multiethnic, working class solidarity... | ||
| That doesn't elicit feelings of like, ah! | ||
| It creates work. | ||
| It creates difficult things that you need to do in order to achieve these goals. | ||
| Whereas, just saying on Alex's show, I like Hitler, and then getting a bunch of attention for it is fucking easy. | ||
| Here's what people like. | ||
| Let's do the thing that gets what we want! | ||
| And here's what people don't like. | ||
| Getting the thing you want is actually a process that requires effort and time and cooperation and compromise, and you're going to have to admit that you're wrong about something if you want things to improve. | ||
| And I know you don't want to admit that you're wrong about something, and I know you think that you're not wrong about anything, but you might be, and you are. | ||
| So fucking do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody wants to hear that part. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And it might be his youth and his amateur niche. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| Point of view has much to do with age these days. | ||
| So now we get to the Alex conversation. | ||
| Nick has levied the accusation that the Jews got to Alex. | ||
| I'm sorry, what now? | ||
| They gave him a call. | ||
| But I wanted to respond to the Alex Jones thing, you know, because I basically implied that he got called by the Jews to... | ||
| And now I'd like to say it. | ||
| ...to disavow me or whatever. | ||
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As opposed to basically implying it. | |
| And honestly, it was kind of... | ||
| Disappointing. | ||
| You know, we did that show last week. | ||
| And then Alex Jones goes on Crowder the other day. | ||
| And Steven Crowder is just a loudmouth ignoramus. | ||
| I mean, listen, I'm sorry. | ||
| I know that's negative. | ||
| But it's just true. | ||
| I mean, he literally is just a... | ||
| He's just got this giant head. | ||
| Figuratively and literally, just one of these big-headed goobers. | ||
| Like, he's not... | ||
| Maybe for people that laugh at Geico commercials, that kind of stuff is funny, where he wears a dress and he pretends like he's a lady. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| If you find Geico commercials funny, you might like Crowder. | ||
| Got him! | ||
| Shots fired. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| What are you writing there? | ||
| You took a long note. | ||
| I was just like... | ||
| I find it so interesting, this space that we have suddenly walked into, where there is a... | ||
| Actual battle between Nick Fuentes actually loving Hitler and Alex Jones actually not liking Hitler. | ||
| He actually does not like Hitler. | ||
| It's a true thing that even he can't make money around. | ||
| Even in his heart of hearts, he can't be like, I'll say I love Hitler for a little bit more time on air, for a little bit more money. | ||
| Even he can't do it! | ||
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That's how much a piece of a shit Nick Puentes is! | |
| It's true, but I think that Alex is smart enough to realize that in his branding and in his place in the market, that kind of a pivot might be good for a very short burst, but it is not sustainable, and it has the... | ||
| High likelihood of tarnishing everything he's done in his 30 years on air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you see, you're having that conversation as Alex with Nick. | ||
| Alex is saying to Nick, like, listen, it's not part of my brand. | ||
| This will ruin what I've done for 30 years. | ||
| And Nick is saying right now to the world, I think that's stupid. | ||
| Let's fucking say we love Hitler. | ||
| And because you won't. | ||
| I think that the Jews got to you. | ||
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| And told you to go on Crowder. | ||
| You stepped into snake pits and, oh no, you're getting bit! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex on Crowder's show believed, or he expressed the belief that he got tricked into being part of a publicity stunt. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Nick takes issue with that. | ||
| Yeah, of course he does. | ||
| What it sounded to me, this is why I said it, it sounded like ass covering. | ||
| Because he goes on there and says, I felt like I got dragged into a publicity stunt. | ||
| And it's like, first of all, you wanted that interview. | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| How are you going to, like, try and fly Ye out? | ||
| And I don't want to disclose anything that is in public, but they tried to set something up a few weeks ago. | ||
| It didn't work out. | ||
| Then Ye wanted to go on. | ||
| We made it work this time. | ||
| And all Alex was talking about, this is our biggest show. | ||
| This is our biggest interview ever. | ||
| We're getting millions of views. | ||
| We're worried about our site crashing. | ||
| Like, come on, man. | ||
| Like, you wanted it. | ||
| You loved it. | ||
| It was great entertainment. | ||
| It's going to go down as one of the most famous things in media. | ||
| Like, it was huge. | ||
| And he's going to go on the Crowder show the week after he has Ye in a mask saying he loves Hitler and say, I got dragged into a publicity show. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, what a victim. | ||
| You mean you invited Ye onto the show and gave him three hours, knowing this was going on, by the way, the Hitler thing, and pushing him on it and pushing him on it and pushing him on it, and then you're going to go and cry to Stephen Crowder a week later and say, I'm a victim of a publicity stunt. | ||
| Publicity stunt? | ||
| Okay, Alex Jones. | ||
| Like, are you kidding me? | ||
| It's honestly just, like, insulting to his audience. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| It is. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Can't disagree with much. | ||
| Yeah, it's fascinating because Nick is right, and so is Alex. | ||
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Yep. | |
| They're both right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It was a crass publicity stunt that Alex probably did get roped into a little more than he wanted to. | ||
| Like, he wanted a publicity stunt, but it didn't go the way he wanted. | ||
| No. | ||
| There is this middle ground between them. | ||
| It wasn't an unwilling participant. | ||
| He just didn't control it the way he thought he was going to be able to. | ||
| Alex thought when he agreed to this that he could get what he wanted. | ||
| And you did not give him that. | ||
| And so now he's acting like he didn't even want the thing in the first place. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| So also on the Crowder interview, Alex speculated that people like Richard Spencer have a gay fascination with Hitler. | ||
| And then maybe Nick has a gay fascination with Hitler as well. | ||
| And Nick takes issue with that. | ||
| And then to say it's a publicity now, Alex Jones has a problem with publicity stunt? | ||
| Well, that's pretty rich. | ||
| And then he goes and calls us gay. | ||
| He said that we're homoerotic fascination with Hitler. | ||
| Which I don't know what that has to do with it. | ||
| You know, Ye said, we love everybody. | ||
| We love Mao. | ||
| We love Stalin. | ||
| We love Hitler. | ||
| We love the Jews. | ||
| We love the Zionists. | ||
| And he goes, well, they're gay for Hitler. | ||
| It's like, it's got nothing to do with being gay. | ||
| We just love Hitler. | ||
| No homo. | ||
| Hey, Hitler, I love you. | ||
| No homo. | ||
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You know? | |
| Hey, no homo. | ||
| We love Hitler. | ||
| So, I mean, that's just downright, that's just the classic Jews always say, and it is. | ||
| They always say, oh, well, aren't the Nazis like, you know, and they do the hand thing, aren't they a little, you know, light in the loafers? | ||
| That's not a stereotype that I'm aware of. | ||
| I have never, ever heard anyone do that, ever. | ||
| I've not heard that, and I've not heard it. | ||
| Like, even sort of bigots accuse that being a standard attack that Jewish people make on Nazis. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Nope, that one's brand new to me. | ||
| Yeah, although I do think that, again, I think that Alex's speculation's a little out of nowhere. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wrong. | ||
| So, anyway, Nick loves Alex. | ||
| What? | ||
| Because everybody loves everybody, right? | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
| But it was fucking weak to go on Steven Crowder's show. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| You know, and here's the thing. | ||
| Like, I love Alex Jones. | ||
| I think he's a good man. | ||
| He's a hero. | ||
| He's a legendary broadcaster. | ||
| Never had a problem with him. | ||
| But him running to Steven Crowder, it was just like a sad, weak move. | ||
| And just like Marjorie, doing the Kevin McCarthy thing. | ||
| And what Ye's crusade, if I'm permitted to call it that, what it is showing is it's showing what's really going on here, which is like all these people are controlled. | ||
| They're all controlled. | ||
| Ye's revealing it. | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anybody but this whiny loser. | ||
| He's turned on Marjorie Taylor Greene now, too, if you didn't know. | ||
| They have fallen out of good graces. | ||
| Farewell to her penetration of this Nazi base. | ||
| Ah, boy. | ||
| Yeah, she's going to have to get the moon Nazi base if she wants that one. | ||
| What was that movie? | ||
| There was a movie. | ||
| The Nazis had a moon base. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, one of the things that makes me a little bit scared more of Nick than some of these other figures is that he does have the ability to make a metaphor. | ||
| Many times. | ||
| This is un-fucking-precedented. | ||
| Many times, Alex will try to spin a metaphor, and it does not make any sense. | ||
| It goes a long time, too. | ||
| Nick has a metaphor about the Joker that actually works pretty well. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he's been saying, You know, I'm like a superhero. | ||
| Like, I want to be like a superhero. | ||
| You know, I'm like doing something heroic, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But he said the other day in the office, he's like, but I feel more like Joker, he said. | ||
| And I was dying at that. | ||
| But it's true. | ||
| You know, because, like, your Alex Jones and your Marjorie Taylor Greene, they're like the other criminals in Gotham and Dark Knight. | ||
| They're like the mob bosses. | ||
| And they bring in Joker to kill the Batman. | ||
| You know, they bring in yay. | ||
| For the publicity, they bring him in to take care of a problem. | ||
| Ah, I hate this kid. | ||
| Whatever it is on their website. | ||
| And it's like, I don't know who says the line. | ||
| I think it's Alfred. | ||
| He goes, you know, they brought in something they didn't fully understand. | ||
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So I want to see the world burn, you know? | |
| And it's true. | ||
| And so just like how the criminals bring in the Joker and Joker burns all the money. | ||
| And says, all you care about is money. | ||
| This town is a better class of criminal. | ||
| And they're all horrified. | ||
| And they're criminals. | ||
| They kill people and they're murderers. | ||
| And they're like, who is this? | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's like Alex Jones and Marge. | ||
| They bring this guy in. | ||
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And Ye is like, all you people care about is money. | |
| This town is a better class of Nazi. | ||
| And I'm going to give it to him. | ||
| And then it's people like me. | ||
| I'm like the hungry dog. | ||
| Let's see how loyal a hungry dog really is. | ||
| And I'm them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that metaphor makes quite a bit of sense. | ||
| You know, the criminals in Gotham had a particular problem, which is the Batman. | ||
| So they bring in the Joker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In the metaphor, Alex has a particular problem. | ||
| He needs eyes on his product. | ||
| He needs publicity. | ||
| He needs a great amount of attention. | ||
| So he brings in the Joker. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And they didn't understand what they were bringing in. | ||
| It makes complete sense. | ||
| I mean, yes. | ||
| The thing that is annoying about it is the complete embracing of just being like, yeah, we're the bad guys. | ||
| We know we're evil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We do. | ||
| We know. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex has played the Imperial March from Star Wars for years. | ||
| I know, but this is just annoying. | ||
| It is a little bit. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| It is a little bit. | ||
| With the pretense of, like, still wanting to wink and be like... | ||
| See, we're acting like we're making it look like we're acknowledging we're on the bad side, but we actually know that we're on the good side, and you're just making it look like that, but we actually... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It is a little bit annoying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing is that the destroying of the money and stuff is essentially puncturing the game that the propagandists are playing. | ||
| People like Gavin and people like Alex, the thing that they didn't realize the Joker or Ye was going to do is not so much actually costing them money or anything like that. | ||
| It's that, like, you guys are, you know, you can't play a crypto game with me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am going to just call out this bullshit. | ||
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I am chaos. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I am unfiltered and unfettered. | ||
| So, Nick takes some issue here with Alex, because Alex was, he was saying that he stood up for Nick and Nick never stood up for him, and Nick thinks that's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, it is bullshit. | ||
| He said, oh, you know, I've stood up for Nick Quintus. | ||
| He's never shown me any love. | ||
| It's like, dude, I have talked about his issues constantly. | ||
| I have always been one of the first ones to cover the lawsuits against him and the censorship against him. | ||
| I'm always mentioning him in the same breath as everybody else. | ||
| So that's just simply not true. | ||
| But what he did the other day was kind of pathetic. | ||
| He had an ample opportunity to call me a Nazi or call us gay Nazis or whatever. | ||
| And to say all that when we were in Austin. | ||
| But then he comes a week later and cries about it to Crowder. | ||
| I'm a victim of a publicity stunt. | ||
| There are these terrible Nazis. | ||
| I'm just a humble water filter. | ||
| No tropics. | ||
| Patriot salesman. | ||
| Please, please don't cancel me. | ||
| And, you know, the thing is, like, there's layers to it. | ||
| Of course Alex is cancelled, but he also presumably has Zionist backers. | ||
| Like, no doubt. | ||
| I think he even told me that. | ||
| The first time I ever went on his show, he cut in during the commercial break because the first thing I talked about was Israel. | ||
| And he cut in during the commercial break and said, like, hey, I'm not telling you what to say. | ||
| You can say whatever you want. | ||
| But I would recommend not talking about Israel so much, like the Jew thing or whatever. | ||
| He goes, but that's just not going to get you anywhere. | ||
| And we have a lot of great Jewish listeners or something like that. | ||
| It was like four years ago. | ||
| I don't really remember. | ||
| But that was the gist of it. | ||
| That was the first time I was on his show. | ||
| So don't play stupid. | ||
| Everybody knows that's how it goes. | ||
| Everybody knows that's how Alex plays. | ||
| So I think, if I were to guess... | ||
| There was a conversation the first time Nick was on, and Alex, knowing that Nick is a Nazi... | ||
| Hey, none of that open Nazi shit, right? | ||
| ...was trying to get him... | ||
| To do the same thing that he did with Ye. | ||
| And because Nick wasn't a mega celebrity like Ye, he didn't have a place in the market that was higher in value than being on Alex's show. | ||
| So he went along with it. | ||
| And now he's contextualizing that as Alex having Jewish owners or handlers or whatever. | ||
| And this is something that we'll play with, you know... | ||
| Nick's audience. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, as opposed to just being like, see, the way it works in status is Alex was higher than me before, but now I'm higher than Alex, so I can engage in the same behaviors that Alex did. | ||
| However, because I'm higher status, you'll forgive me for doing it, and I can make you blame him for doing it. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| I think it's more that he's... | ||
| Potentially higher status than Alex. | ||
| Although it's hard to tell what with Alex's woes right now. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, boy, it's hard to... | ||
| But Nick isn't higher status of his own. | ||
| No, no, no, absolutely not. | ||
| Because of the association with Ye, he definitely pulls ahead of Alex. | ||
| No, it's fairly clear that if I was a betting man, I would say hubris and pride will be his downfall. | ||
| As is the case with people exactly like this throughout history over and over and over and over and over again. | ||
| It does feel like that is a very distinct possibility. | ||
| I am much bigger than Alex Jones now! | ||
| Admittedly, it's only because for some weird reason Ye had a manic episode and decided to unleash his anti-Semitism across the world and then somehow found me and then I tagged along. | ||
| It's actually because I'm great! | ||
| So, conceivably, Alex got a call. | ||
| From these Jewish handlers that he has. | ||
| Then he wants to go and cry. | ||
| I saw his show today. | ||
| He's crying about how I said he got a phone call. | ||
| He says, oh, Nick said I got a phone call. | ||
| Yeah, I got a call from Jesus. | ||
| I got a call from George Washington. | ||
| It's like, no, you got a call from the Jews. | ||
| You got a call from the Jewish people that buy the supplements or whatever. | ||
| Just like, yeah. | ||
| You know, okay, I'm not being cute. | ||
| I'm not being funny. | ||
| You got a call from your Zionist backers. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You didn't get a call from... | ||
| No, you got a call from your Zionist backers. | ||
| You know Israel did 9-11. | ||
| You know about Jewish influence. | ||
| You know about it because you talked about it on your show 20 years ago. | ||
| David Duke debated you into the ground on this. | ||
| And I beat the F out of Robert Barnes on your show a year ago about it. | ||
| No, you didn't get a call from Jefferson. | ||
| You got a call from your Zionist backwards. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| It was right there. | ||
| Let's stop pretending. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| You want to continue to make millions of dollars. | ||
| You want to have your studio and all that. | ||
| You want to do more with less. | ||
| In other words, you want to have a big show while saying less of the truth. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's your decision. | ||
| You're entitled to make that decision. | ||
| But, you know, we all see right through this. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What are you implying? | ||
| Here's what I'm implying. | ||
| You got a call from your Zionist backers that that was a big problem. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And that's why you pressed yay about it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And he was miffed that the whole show was about Hitler. | ||
| But if you watch the show, he kept pushing and pushing and pushing. | ||
| You know, you can't just let the guy say he loves Hitler. | ||
| God forbid anybody says something like that. | ||
| He had to keep coming back and coming back. | ||
| Oh, it's about the uniforms. | ||
| Oh, so what you mean is this. | ||
| He said what he said. | ||
| He said what he said! | ||
| You are not going to argue somebody if their inherent position is the only reason that you would dislike Hitler is because you got a call from extremely powerful Jewish people. | ||
| If that's your beginning position, where's the argument going to start? | ||
| Nowhere. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| No, Hitler was bad. | ||
| Ah, you're just saying that because, well, then I think I'm gone. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
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| The implication here is kind of interesting, because if you unpack this, I think what Nick is saying is that, like, you know how, like, Republican organizations will buy bulk purchases of people's books in order to put them on the bestseller list? | ||
| He seems to be implying that there are Zionist handlers. | ||
| Or backers or whatever who buy a bunch of Alex's supplements and that's how his finances work or something. | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| It would be an odd way to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Okay, so here's my business. | ||
| I am going to get a bunch of... | ||
| Our own labels on bullshit pills, and then some weirdo billionaires are just going to buy those, move them from my warehouse to their warehouse, where they'll just sit and wait. | ||
| Sure, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I think it would be... | ||
| I mean, I guess all of the callers who say they use the products could be lying, but I don't know. | ||
| It doesn't pass the smell test. | ||
| No. | ||
| But yeah, this is why you don't get mixed up with someone like Nick. | ||
| Because he has some actual good points here, and that is that David Duke did out-debate Alex on his own show. | ||
| Into the ground. | ||
| He did out-debate Robert Barnes on Infowars. | ||
| Not hard to do. | ||
| But then the conclusion that he jumps to that Alex is behaving the way he is because some Jewish handlers told him to is completely unearned and there isn't any reason to believe that. | ||
| Everything is explained by a very simple Occam's razor that is that there is a certain point past which Alex's business model is no longer viable. | ||
| And Nick has pushed past that point. | ||
| And it has nothing to do with Jewish influence threatening Alex or coming down on him. | ||
| Let's call it the Overton profit window. | ||
| It has everything to do with just simple understanding your place in the market. | ||
| Nick can claim that's some sort of nefarious thing, but... | ||
| Well, the thing is... | ||
| He records his fucking show like in his parents' basement. | ||
| He's got a nice little spot for himself right now because he doesn't actually have a place in the media sphere. | ||
| Everything he's doing is clawing a place for himself. | ||
| It's all destructive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And sort of privateering. | ||
| He doesn't have to defend anything. | ||
| He's wearing the armor of being a Nazi. | ||
| You know, like, oh, defend this thing. | ||
| I'm a Nazi. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I said I love Hitler. | ||
| What are you going to be mean to me about? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can't hurt me because of that. | ||
| Right, and so all he has to do is point out the incredibly obvious bullshit that everybody's doing, because it's incredibly obvious. | ||
| It doesn't take a genius to be like, oh, Alex is exploiting people. | ||
| Yeah, you're fucking brilliant. | ||
| And it's just such an easy spot to be. | ||
| The problem is, once he gets something, then he's going to go through the process of trying to hold on to something, and that's when he's fucked. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Nick is, unfortunately, a little bit, he has feelings, and he feels bad that everyone keeps throwing him under the bus, but he kind of understands it. | ||
| Very annoying, and, you know, you got all these people that are much older than me, like Marjorie or Alex or whoever, and constantly throwing me under the bus to save their own skin. | ||
| It's just like, seriously? | ||
| And the thing is, I meet all these people. | ||
| I'm obviously a nice guy. | ||
| I'm polite. | ||
| I'm respectful. | ||
| I'm obviously in it for the right reasons. | ||
| You're a Nazi! | ||
| My character is pretty unimpeachable. | ||
| It is thoroughly impeachable. | ||
| I make offensive jokes or something. | ||
| I'm not a hater. | ||
| I have a big heart. | ||
| You're a Nazi! | ||
| I'm just a lovable guy. | ||
| I want to make a funny show. | ||
| And I believe in all the same things all these people do. | ||
| And they just have, like, no compunction about, like, slitting my throat if it makes their life more convenient. | ||
| You know, it's like Marjorie met me, shook my hand, gave me a hug, gave a speech at my conference and all this. | ||
| And she pretends not to know me the day after. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| You know, you gotta say what you gotta say. | ||
| But then she's gotta, like, denounce my views, denounce my anti-Semitic views. | ||
| Because she got pressure from the Jewish group. | ||
| She got pressure from McCarthy and the RJC and all that. | ||
| And she's like, oh yeah, I'll totally push this kid in front of oncoming traffic to make my life easier. | ||
| I didn't believe until quite recently that the Jews had space lasers that they used to control weather or whatever the fuck. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| This is like Azazel in hell being like, jeez, there's a lot of demons around here. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| There's a bunch of assholes around here. | ||
| I've been hanging out with shitheads and I'm just starting to realize they don't have integrity. | ||
| They are not a loyal bunch. | ||
| I am starting to think that these people are bad people. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| I wonder why I gravitated to them in the first place. | ||
| Probably not important. | ||
| Not gonna think about it. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| Probably has nothing to do with my unimpeachable character. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| So, meeting Ye was amazing. | ||
| And again, probably was. | ||
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Yeah, no, I believe it. | |
| Because he was a huge celebrity that Nick has loved for a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Meeting Alex was not. | ||
| It's a breath of fresh air to meet somebody who's a true American original and truly somebody who's free. | ||
| You meet Alex Jones and the first time I went on it was like, hey, like... | ||
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You can say whatever you want, but, you know, this Jewish thing's a dead end. | |
| And I was, like, so deflated. | ||
| I was like, oh, that's a shame. | ||
| You know, don't get me wrong. | ||
| He's still funny. | ||
| He's still a fiend. | ||
| He's still a workhorse, an incredible human being. | ||
| But I was, you know, but when I heard that, I was totally deflated. | ||
| I was like, oh, you're not Superman. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You know, you're just a guy doing a show. | ||
| You're a good show doer, you know? | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| To give you some contrast, the first time I went on a show and he cuts into the commercial break and says, hey, say whatever you want, but don't talk about the Jews. | ||
| Or the Jewish thing's a dead end. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| That's like what my parents tell me. | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| Alex Jones, the absolute madman. | ||
| Boy, you're crazy. | ||
| And he's telling me the same stuff my boomer parents do. | ||
| Is that a really good idea? | ||
| Should you really say that? | ||
| I love my parents, but like, you know, they're normie like that. | ||
| Yeah, they're normie like that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I hope he's not too Hitler-y. | ||
| I hope he grows out of this Hitler stuff. | ||
| I mean, yeah, what are you doing? | ||
| That is, no, no, no, stop. | ||
| I don't know, ground him. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Take away his allowance. | ||
| Again. | ||
| Never meet your heroes, though, you know? | ||
| Nick's very disappointed by Alex's non-embracing of the Nazi lifestyle. | ||
| What fucks me up about this is how empty all of this is, if it also includes, like, I still think he's a great guy, and I think all of this shit, like, that blows my mind. | ||
| Here's why this is, I disagree with you, that it's empty. | ||
| Because Nick recognizes that Alex is still doing something that serves his interests. | ||
| And that is being a more introductory step. | ||
| People can come into Nick's stream or his river much easier if there's a tributary like Alex there. | ||
| I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| Even if he is some kind of a shill or whatever, Nick has the awareness that people who get sucked into that have a tendency to grow past Alex's material and they need the harder drugs. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm saying it's empty for me. | ||
| It's obviously not empty for him. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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Definitely. | |
| Definitely empty for you. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I apologize before we started. | ||
| I mean, it's just heartbreaking. | ||
| I said sorry. | ||
| So Nick makes fun of Alex. | ||
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Same thing. | |
| It's like he's going to go and say, I hate Hitler. | ||
| Hitler burned in hell. | ||
| It's like, who is that for? | ||
| Except for the Jews. | ||
| Like, who is that for? | ||
| Nobody is with that. | ||
| Nobody is impressed. | ||
| Wow, you said Hitler sucks? | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Woo. | ||
| Don't cut yourself on that edge, bro. | ||
| Wow, I can see why you're banned. | ||
| The left does not want you to know there was a Democrat. | ||
| Damn, Alex, go off. | ||
| He just said Hitler burn in hell. | ||
| The absolute madman. | ||
| Woo, lad. | ||
| This playground shit does not fly. | ||
| Like, ooh, oh, you think my mom is fat. | ||
| How cool are you? | ||
| No, no, no, no, dude. | ||
| You love Hitler. | ||
| I mean, you can't be like, oh, how cool is it that he doesn't like Hitler? | ||
| No, fuck you. | ||
| It doesn't work on this one. | ||
| Well, for you. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| The only reason this is actually kind of like, maybe a dangerous point for Alex is that he is a free speech absolutist. | ||
| And it is that he is, like, he fancies himself the tip of the spear and, like, this kind of, like, dangerous, edgy, censored person. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So when your brand is that you've been censored by everybody and you're censorious towards someone else, they do kind of hold a little bit of a trump card on you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is a little bit of a power that this person who has been censored by the guy who's against censorship has. | ||
| Because you can't argue with that person that Hitler can't... | ||
| Be the tip of the spear. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know, like, you can't argue with Nick. | ||
| You can't be like, hey, no, I get what you're saying. | ||
| But you think that being edgy means Hitler. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When in reality, you're just... | ||
| Loving Hitler. | ||
| That's the end of this conversation. | ||
| It's not edgy. | ||
| It's something that we got over a while ago. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's genocidal. | ||
| I don't know what else to describe it as. | ||
| It's not an interesting conversation that society refuses to have. | ||
| It's a conversation that we had. | ||
| We nailed it. | ||
| And we've moved along and it's just you're trying to rehash it for... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Most of society is 100% on the... | ||
| There's no middle ground on Hitler. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| It's not even complicated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So also fuck Crowder and maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene too. | ||
| Yeah, I'm fine with that. | ||
| So I'm a convenient scapegoat. | ||
| Like, we get to attack Nick for being the Nazi and we're just gonna pretend like, you know, yay didn't say it. | ||
| So everybody wants to throw me under the bus. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'll remember that. | ||
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Also... | |
| Here's the real last thing I'm going to say. | ||
| None of the people that threw me under the bus are really even that impressive. | ||
| I have never watched Crowder's show. | ||
| I think I watched it one time on stream. | ||
| Crowder is not why I got into politics. | ||
| He's not funny. | ||
| So Crowder disavowing me is like, okay, big whip. | ||
| Same thing with Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| I've already done my bit on Marjorie Taylor Greene, but it's like... | ||
| Okay, seriously. | ||
| Does anybody really think that if I had my choice that I'd be standing with Marjorie Taylor Greene? | ||
| Listen, you've got to play with the hand you're dealt. | ||
| I'll just put it that way. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene denounced me. | ||
| Let's say there's no love lost there. | ||
| Honestly, if she's showing for McCarthy and she was still showing up to AFPAC, that would be bad for me. | ||
| That would make me look like... | ||
| Blue-pilled weakling. | ||
| I'm trying not to swear. | ||
| Because Kanye doesn't like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the thing that you gotta think about, if you're somebody who's associating with Nick, is that he seemed to be fully in support of Marjorie back when they were on good terms. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| And now that they have fallen out, he's being a little bit more open about like, I wouldn't have wanted to work with her, but no one else wanted to work with me because I'm a Nazi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, you play with the hand you're dealt. | ||
| Yeah, this is one big exercise in the Emperor Has No Clothes kind of... | ||
| Him just being like, look at all these losers. | ||
| Again, that's what makes this so empty for me, is that, yes... | ||
| They are a bunch of losers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not hard to see that. | ||
| You are a bigger loser. | ||
| Yeah, it's that same dynamic that he has when he's talking about social issues. | ||
| Sometimes he's able to descriptively get his finger on something that is an actual problem. | ||
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Right. | |
| But his analysis and sort of other conversation around things is maybe worse, definitely worse, or meaningless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he has put his finger on a very real thing here. | ||
| That is that Crowder isn't funny and he's vapid. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And nobody would want to work with Marjorie Taylor Greene if they had another choice. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Not complicated. | ||
| Everything else around it is bad and he is worse. | ||
| Well, it just... | ||
| And it does... | ||
| It is so much more desirable. | ||
| I mean, if I were a Nazi listening to Alex and MTG... | ||
| It is so much more desirable to listen to the kid who says that the emperor's has of no clothes because I knew it the whole fucking time but they have told me because they all love each other that actually know they're great. | ||
| So finally I have a Nazi that I can love who is willing to admit that every other Nazi is an asshole. | ||
| Which makes perfect sense. | ||
| It does make some sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Nick, he likes to see the good in people. | ||
| Like Richard Spencer. | ||
| Here's some of the good that Nick sees in Richard Spencer. | ||
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Let's see. | |
| Who else? | ||
| Are there any other big blue checks in here besides Richard? | ||
| One time I called him on the phone. | ||
| I was like, hey, I'm Rich. | ||
| And he was like, it's Richard. | ||
| I've told that story a lot before, but it was just like a classic total Richard moment. | ||
| That's why we love him. | ||
| That's why we love him. | ||
| See, that's the type of humor you can't get on Crowder's show. | ||
| Well, not only him. | ||
| I mean, that is his name. | ||
| I'm not making fun of him for that. | ||
| I mean, that is his name. | ||
| I don't think that's out of line to want to be called a certain thing. | ||
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You don't? | |
| And I was like, hey, it's Nick. | ||
| Nobody would be offended. | ||
| Oh, you wouldn't? | ||
| How that tumbled out. | ||
| That time on the phone. | ||
| One of my favorite stories. | ||
| See, you know, we find what we like about people. | ||
| You find what you love about people. | ||
| That's a great story when Richard Spencer said, it's Richard, not Rich. | ||
| What a guy. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| I'm going to guess that there was something else that happened in that conversation that Nick is being cheeky about. | ||
| Maybe Richard's listening and knows or something like that. | ||
| Otherwise, that it's Rich story is... | ||
| A little flat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not a lot going on there. | ||
| Also, fucking so infuriating and so infuriating. | ||
| What if he had said it's Raina? | ||
| What if he had said that? | ||
| Oh, suddenly I would have a bigger problem with calling them by something that they wanted to be called by. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and it's very exciting, big breaking news. | ||
| How about the new song? | ||
| Very epic, right? | ||
| Very, very epic. | ||
| What new song? | ||
| Yeah, he's got a new song. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Maybe for the Alex Jones sample. | ||
| He took out the I Love Hitler part. | ||
| The version that I heard, it ended with that I love, that I love, that I love about Hitler. | ||
| But I think he took that out. | ||
| But that's okay. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| We know what he meant. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So this is pretty funny. | ||
| Ye posted this song on Instagram, which seems like a strange move, considering that he's been yelling about how Instagram is a sex trafficking operation and anyone who clicks a like button on a woman's picture is a sex predator. | ||
| They removed the song, apparently, and then he sent it to Alex, who posted it on Infowars, with the headline, quote, Ye releases epic new song exclusively on Infowars. | ||
| Someday we'll all be free. | ||
| What? | ||
| The fuck? | ||
| It's an exclusive release because it got taken off Instagram. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And yeah, after all of this, after everything that's happened, Alex is still super excited to post. | ||
| There's no continuity. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's a new show. | ||
| Look, I got burned. | ||
| There's a new monster of the week. | ||
| I know I got burned by this publicity stunt. | ||
| Anyways, I'm going to release that single, baby! | ||
| Come on now! | ||
| Yeah, there's a tension in them far hills. | ||
| Sheesh. | ||
| I would play the song for you, but it's really bad. | ||
| I always suspect that the reason it got taken off Instagram was because he used samples that he hadn't cleared, so there might have been a copyright issue there. | ||
| I don't think it'll be a hit, if only because he includes a lyric about how God won't let him have sex until he's married again. | ||
| It's not quite the message. | ||
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It's kids are dancing out to you. | |
| That's the new punk rock right there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the new punk rock. | ||
| New punk rock is no sex before marriage, baby! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Cool. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| This is where we're at. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's not a good place. | ||
| It's not a good place. | ||
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No. | |
| It's just not. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| I think that it is important to understand some of these dynamics within this right-wing ecosystem in terms of how... | ||
| There is this dual use of yay. | ||
| There's the ideal version, which is recruiting him and getting him to cool it on some of this stuff that is going to be bad for business. | ||
| And then failing that, there's the... | ||
| The using him like everyone used to use Alex and still does, kind of, when they need to, as the I'm not him person. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So there's that. | ||
| And then I just think it's really interesting to hear Nick's response because there is some analysis of dynamics between these figures that he understands pretty clearly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is something you don't really hear people talk about. | ||
| Within these circles very much. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think that's what's so... | ||
| I think what's so deceptive about it is because he is willing to say the things that everybody knows, people give him more credit for being able to see through the scam. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When in reality, they all see through the scam. | ||
| He's just the only one who's making his scam... | ||
| Pointing it out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's just making his own little scam that he's got going on, but it's counter to the... | ||
| The ecosystem that sustains itself with interlocking scams. | ||
| And that is a large reason, essentially, of why he's not going to be involved in a lot of these other folks' scams. | ||
| Alex, in his interview with Crowder, said that he would have Fuentes back on, but it would need to be a debate. | ||
| And I guarantee, I don't want to guarantee, I've been wrong about... | ||
| I don't think that's gonna happen. | ||
| Don't guarantee anything. | ||
| The reason I don't think that's gonna happen is that Alex has to know that Nick would dance circles around him. | ||
| Oh, it'd be sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The way that Nick can dodge is beyond Alex's capacity to punch. | ||
| The things that Nick can say that will confuse Alex will be too much. | ||
| I'll go even simpler than that. | ||
| Alex would have to prepare. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Not really. | ||
| The end. | ||
| But what if he didn't? | ||
| If he wanted to engage in that the way that he would engage in it. | ||
| He didn't seem to prepare that much for David Duke. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyway, this all is a mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And maybe we'll go back to checking in on Infowars and Alex's show itself next week. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Apparently we're into palace intrigue with the conservative propagandists. | ||
| I think it's elevated slightly. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But in fairness to you, there was a little bit of that in Nick's... | ||
| I'm not saying that there wasn't. | ||
| In Nick's stream, there was a little... | ||
| I'm not saying I didn't notice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But some of that is just kind of fun, like him yelling at Crowder for people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, and listen, if somebody's going to call him a piece of shit, I'm going to listen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| And there's also an element of it that the catharticness is... | ||
| It's so fucking obvious you don't get involved with people like this because this is what they'll do to you. | ||
| They are going to smear you. | ||
| They're going to use things that you may have said in confidence or private or something, and they will take those things and then present them to their audience as... | ||
| Some kind of evidence that you're involved in a nefarious plot. | ||
| Just stay away. | ||
| Don't get involved. | ||
| It is like, a part of me is like, here's what should be required reading for third graders, and it should be for every day of the year, and that's just Faust. | ||
| Just really get into understanding what the devil's bargain means. | ||
| At third grade, you're eight or nine years old, you're ready to figure out what unintended consequences are. | ||
| It's time to hammer it home at a young age. | ||
| Be nice. | ||
| So, Jordan, we'll come to the end of this. | ||
| And, oh, I'd also like to say thank you to Amanda for some help with sources. | ||
| But we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do indeed. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're all on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| I didn't think of a new bit. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
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Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. | |
| You know what I've been doing lately? | ||
| I've been eating a lot. | ||
| Not a lot. | ||
| But I've been eating more frosting than I'd like to admit. | ||
| You've been eating more frosting than you'd like to admit. | ||
| What is the amount of frosting that you would like to admit to eating? | ||
| Well, like one Dunkaroo packet. | ||
| One Dunkaroo packet. | ||
| That's acceptable. | ||
| How many packets? | ||
| Well, I've not gotten Dunkaroos. | ||
| Well, that might be a first problem. | ||
| I've gotten tubs of frosting. | ||
| And then what I did this time was I got Nilla wafers. | ||
| Oh, no, so you dipped it in there? | ||
| Oh, that's too good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's too good. | ||
| Anyway, this is one of the revelations you'll find in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| I knew we were getting there! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |