Today, Dan and Jordan embark on a Wacky Wednesday, where they discuss breaking news about Ye, Milo, and Nick Fuentes appearing on Tim Pool's show, which did not go great. Plus, they discuss an episode of Nick's show, America First.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| You were over-eager for that second Dan. | ||
| I thought you were quick on the first Dan. | ||
| I just got out. | ||
| I didn't even get Jordan out. | ||
| I heard you say Jordan. | ||
| I thought you were going so fast. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Start the whole thing over. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Jordan? | ||
| Dan? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your right spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| Well done. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to say it. | ||
| I was trying to think of a bright spot that wasn't self-aggrandizing along the way, but I'm going to do it. | ||
| My bright spot, because it happened, I was a guest on the God Pod, if you recall. | ||
| Yeah, you talked to God. | ||
| They reached out earlier today and they were like, oh, everybody said really, really nice things about it. | ||
| And I was like, you know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I am going to accept a compliment. | ||
| I think that was nice. | ||
| It made me feel good today. | ||
| The Archangel Michael reached out and said great, great guest choice. | ||
| They were really nice to me. | ||
| Even Beelzebub begrudgingly said that you had a good appearance. | ||
| Because let's face it, you know, I can't have a good or bad episode on our show because you can enjoy or not enjoy the episode, but my job is to just be me. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So I can't be like more or less me. | ||
| Sure, there is just a baseline level that is loud and unchanging. | ||
| That's just what it is, you know? | ||
| So it's nice to be singled out, Dan. | ||
| It's nice to be special. | ||
| I feel like the bell of the ball. | ||
| Well, it's great. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm happy for you. | ||
| You don't sound happy for me. | ||
| I was trying to think of another angel. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| Sandalfon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You don't know Sandelfa? | ||
| No, I was thinking of Azazel. | ||
| Azazel is a demon, my friend. | ||
| But still, they can appreciate your appearance on the show. | ||
| I think they might like it more. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Well, that's great. | ||
| What's your bright spot, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot, I guess, is I was at the store and... | ||
| I saw that they sold single slices of pie. | ||
| Actually, it's a dual slice. | ||
| It's two slices. | ||
| It's two slices. | ||
| Of a pie. | ||
| Now, was your bright spot that you just saw you could do that? | ||
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No. | |
| Or was your bright spot that you followed through on? | ||
| I followed through. | ||
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Oh, you followed through. | |
| Oh, and I ate that. | ||
| Oh, you ate all of it? | ||
| But here's what's great. | ||
| I think a whole pie is too much. | ||
| That's far too much. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a reasonable thing. | ||
| I'm not gonna make a pie. | ||
| I am too busy and lazy to make a pie. | ||
| I'm not gonna do it. | ||
| So pie isn't part of my life that much. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so it was just kind of nice. | ||
| It was a chocolate cream pie. | ||
| Also, there was a cheesecake. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Whipped cheesecake. | ||
| A whipped cheesecake pie? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| I mean, cheesecake is a pie. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| Listen, I don't understand the nomenclature of... | ||
| Pastries. | ||
| Cheesecake is a pie. | ||
| Boston cream pie is a cake. | ||
| Let's move forward. | ||
| I've had this argument too many times in my life and I don't have patience for it. | ||
| I didn't even know that there was an argument. | ||
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I'm fine with it. | |
| There is an argument. | ||
| It's like a hot dog sandwich thing. | ||
| I don't need any part of that argument either. | ||
| So anyway, it's just nice to have a little pie in your life. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's better than those microwavable pies you see at 7-Eleven or something. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I would hope so. | ||
| Much better. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
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Oof. | |
| Bright spot. | ||
| Just weak bright spot on my part. | ||
| Both of us have weak bright spots. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and it's a little bit off the beaten path. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Alex Jones can eat my ass. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, a little dabby for me. | ||
| Wait, why are we at the Capitol? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Secretary of Defense Steve Pachanek. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Drew's the warmongering motorhead from Mars. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, I'm Jed, and I'm half man, half bear, half pig, and 89% wonk. | ||
| The math checks out. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, nothing happened on September 16th, 1999. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, I love my nugget more than anything in the universe, and I guess my stinky hog boy too. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I feel like those last two had to have been connected. | ||
| You know, nothing happened on September 16th, 1999, and then I love my hog boy. | ||
| I feel like we know... | ||
| I'm guessing that that was like a birthday. | ||
| I'm hoping. | ||
| I mean, I feel like it was the birth of a hog boy. | ||
| I feel like that's what we're discovering. | ||
| Okay, so I'm looking up what happened on September 16th, 1999. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On onthisday.com. | ||
| Dolly the sheep. | ||
| 14.8 inches of rainfall hit Myrtle Beach from Hurricane Floyd. | ||
| So that's one thing. | ||
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All right. | |
| The Netherlands started their first season ever of the Big Brother show. | ||
| Big Brother. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| I've never seen Dutch Big Brother. | ||
| Have you seen American Big Brother? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think they cook Big Brother longer in the Netherlands. | ||
| Oh, that could be. | ||
| Yeah, it's slow-cooked. | ||
| Yeah, I don't like that show. | ||
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I don't care for it. | |
| I find it voyeuristic and weird. | ||
| Yeah, it's very weird. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes, Dan. | ||
| For a long time, I've been of the mind that there is a type of right-wing figure that I feel drawn to cover and a type that I don't want to use my limited amount of time focusing on. | ||
| Some of the folks in that second category are there because I feel like other people are competently covering them, and there may be little more that I could add to the conversation if we did engage. | ||
| For example, I think that Dave Rubin is a subject that I don't really want to cover because he gets some good mockery from Sam Seder, and Timba on Toast made an incredible in-depth takedown of his rhetorical techniques and the show itself, which you can find on YouTube. | ||
| And, uh, meh. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| If you're not adding anything to the space, fuck it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know what I can and can't do. | ||
| I don't think there's more to add there. | ||
| Others are in that category because I feel like their primary game involves comedy. | ||
| Joe Rogan generally falls into this category, and I could probably cover any episode of his show for our podcast, but it would end up drifting into territory where we would just be overanalyzing idiots making edgy, offensive jokes. | ||
| These are the sort of figures that I might cover, but it's kind of a case-by-case situation. | ||
| Yeah, I think the concern for us is eventually we just wind up doing punch-up. | ||
| You know, we're like, oh, that's... | ||
| I get where you're trying to go with that. | ||
| Here's where that joke would be better. | ||
| And then it's like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Even if you're trying to be offensive, the joke doesn't work because of blank. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then it's like, what show are we doing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there are figures that I don't cover because they're basically troll attention chasers without any real merit past that point. | ||
| Steven Crowder is one of these folks. | ||
| Tim Poole is also someone who I would include in that category. | ||
| And I've had a number of people suggest that we cover Poole in the past. | ||
| I've never wanted to because he sucks really hard, and I don't even feel like taking him seriously is worth the time. | ||
| I feel like he is, you know, clout chaser is a bit of an overused term. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He has a billboard, though, you know? | ||
| He's got a billboard on the way to Midway. | ||
| I saw a billboard for this dude. | ||
| Look, I'm not saying he's not relevant. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Here's what he is. | ||
| He's nothing until he changes his name to Cooler with Pooler. | ||
| That's just the... | ||
| I mean nothing to me until that happens. | ||
| Tool time. | ||
| Pool time. | ||
| A new home improvement. | ||
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That's where you got it. | |
| Remove home improvement. | ||
| Home improvement too. | ||
| Tool time with pool time. | ||
| Punch up. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| It's just never not going to happen. | ||
| So I believe that the time has come for me to change how I approach these things a little bit. | ||
| I'm not going to abandon focusing on Alex. | ||
| Don't get that impression in your head. | ||
| But I feel a calling to branch out a little bit more as some trends appear to be growing in our country and other people who are Alex adjacent could probably use a bit more of the focused attention that we use to bring a larger understanding of what they're all about and how they misinform audiences for similar purposes that InfoWars does. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And so today we're going to be embarking on a little bit of that. | ||
| Oh no, it better not be Tim Pool. | ||
| Is it Tim Pool? | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| I had a goal in mind. | ||
| I had an intention. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then, we're recording this on Tuesday, and so last night, something happened on Tim Pool's show. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That required a little bit of attention. | ||
| And it sort of dovetails in a little bit with some of the thoughts that I already had kicking around my head. | ||
| Are you aware of what I'm talking about? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I genuinely don't... | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Are we back to the beginning? | ||
| Am I finally completely unaware of what's about to happen? | ||
| You didn't hear about his show? | ||
| No! | ||
| I don't give a shit about Tim Pool. | ||
| What part of Cooler with Pooler didn't you understand? | ||
| I ignore anything having to do with this bullshit. | ||
| Alright, here's the introduction that Tim has for the episode. | ||
| I hope you had a good Thanksgiving. | ||
| You were with your families or loved ones or at least relaxed and enjoyed yourself. | ||
| Over the past week, there was a particularly big news story that's resulted in a continued news cycle, which is now going on for over a week, which is in many ways unheard of. | ||
| But right now, because Donald Trump went to dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes, among others, he is now being denounced by Mike Pence, several Republican senators, and... | ||
| For whatever reason, this story, for many reasons I suppose people have made, this story has persisted till today. | ||
| And we are able to actually sit down with several of the individuals involved in that story, notably Ye, Nick Fuentes, and Malianopoulos, of course, who made the dinner happen. | ||
| It's my understanding. | ||
| What? | ||
| Milo? | ||
| Before I met Milo. | ||
| Okay, my bad, my bad. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's pretty cute that Tim is pretending to not understand why it's a completely fucked up thing for the former president and candidate to be president again is having a meeting with these kinds of fucked up figures. | ||
| I guess he's been away from the spotlight for long enough to forget what an embarrassing loser Milo is, but here he is. | ||
| I wonder how he feels about his book's title now that his brand is that he's a former homosexual. | ||
| Probably not thrilled about that choice. | ||
| Leaving that nonsense aside, even when he was a trolling gay MAGA scam guy, Milo was a Catholic fascist. | ||
| He said as much in an interview with Nick Fuentes years back, and his views haven't gotten better over time. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is, in the most generous description, a literal white identity extremist who has a history of Holocaust denial and spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. | ||
| He attended the Unite the Right rally in 2017 when he was just 18, marching side by side with Nazis, chanting blood and soil and Jews won't replace us. | ||
| And then we've seen what's happened with Ye lately. | ||
| He's having a very intense public meltdown, and he's fallen in with Fuentes and Milo, which I guess is forming the brain trust for his 2024 presidential campaign slash publicity stunt. | ||
| There may be a mental health component to this, but ultimately... | ||
| I'm not in the business of infantilizing Ye, and he's entered a space where, manic episode or not, what he's doing is going to get people killed. | ||
| Ye is one of the biggest rappers of the past couple decades and has a gigantic fanbase. | ||
| When he does something like endorse Nick Fuentes or Milo and publicly associate with them and take them along to meet with Trump, that sends a message to his fans. | ||
| It's really depressing to imagine the number of people who would never have heard of Nick, lest for this association, That's a real impact. | ||
| Yeah, you know what I was wondering about? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I was wondering about whether or not this actually makes sense for Fuentes and Milo. | ||
| Because I think everybody on the surface level is like, oh, them, famous person, obviously. | ||
| But... | ||
| I mean, it just doesn't make sense. | ||
| They're all white nationalists. | ||
| The only people who like Ye now are conservatives. | ||
| And it's not like Ye was already selling shit tons of albums to conservatives and all of his fans were there. | ||
| I kind of think this blows back badly on Fuentes and Milo more than it does on... | ||
| How can you be a white nationalist if you're literally writing Kanye's coattails? | ||
| Well, I think that there is an element of this that... | ||
| Think about it as we go along. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As we go along, consider this thought that you're having, because I think that there are tactical aims and things that are a little bit deeper below the surface, and maybe two or three stages removed from the immediate. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, and it makes sense. | ||
| Believe me, I'm not defending any of them. | ||
| They can all go fuck themselves at this point. | ||
| Who gives a fucking shit about what any of them are? | ||
| I don't think anybody assumed that you were. | ||
| No, fuck them all. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| But I'm just saying, I don't think that... | ||
| I kind of have a hard time believing that there are Ye fans who are looking at Ye's current behavior. | ||
| Like, he made them fans when he was good at music, right? | ||
| And now he's bad at music, and they're looking at his current behavior thinking, I want to emulate this? | ||
| He's doing a bad job at the thing, so only conservatives are liking Ye now, and conservatives hate black people, so I don't think it's going to help Nick Fuentes' shit. | ||
| I think they might be fucked on this one. | ||
| I think your assessment of celebrity is a little bit off. | ||
| I could be way wrong on that, on account of I don't understand it even the slightest. | ||
| I think that his fans have not all abandoned him in the way that you're imagining, just because you don't like his music anymore. | ||
| Wow! | ||
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And maybe a lot of people think that it's slipped off a little bit, but I don't think that... | |
| There is the exodus of all of his fans in the way that you're imagining. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Second, I think even if there is an evolution of the fan base, let's say, there is still a massive celebrity here. | |
| Sure. | ||
| quality and beyond that there is a piece of it that is just people won't not pay attention Now, that's true. | ||
| Nick is a little bit of a scam type character, but he's not like the other people that we cover. | ||
| He is an ideologue. | ||
| He is a gifted speaker, he's an attractive young man, and he studied debate in high school, which has developed in him the ability to sound convincing to people who aren't listening to him critically, even if what he's saying is complete bullshit. | ||
| He understands the optical value of appearance over substance. | ||
| By the time someone can realize he's wrong about something, he's already on to the next point, and that's... | ||
| Pretty typical of his rhetorical tactics. | ||
| He's a high school debate person who got stuck in high school, and now he's a white nationalist. | ||
| Nick is involved in a political project, and he's using Ye to push that further. | ||
| That project involves many abhorrent goals, like the removal of immigrants from the country, the hardening of our borders, and a requirement that people in government be Christian. | ||
| Milo on his own is a complete embarrassment and loser who's relegated to Christian QVC-type appearances. | ||
| On his own, he's meaningless, but he's not on his own. | ||
| He's apparently still a decent networker, and through him, the combination of Ye and Nick is now connected to Marjorie Taylor Greene, for whom Milo was recently an aide, apparently. | ||
| And who knows what other connections Milo does or doesn't have. | ||
| He's the sort of shithead who no one wanted to associate with publicly after... | ||
| You know, that whole Rogan thing and him talking about pedophilia is pretty great. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have connections behind the scenes. | ||
| Like, all manner of weird fringe creeps might have still stayed in contact with him. | ||
| He might have... | ||
| Pretty relevant. | ||
| I mean, let's not forget that he's only a few years removed from receiving Mercer money, so it's not like they would be like, oh, you're burned forever, as opposed to being like, oh, lay low for a few years, and then we'll catch you back up. | ||
| Yeah, and who knows if there's still a connection with Bannon and such, too. | ||
| Yeah, it's all there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This trio is interesting as a group, because they all have things that the others need. | ||
| Yay is famous as shit, and he's a lightning rod for attention, but has no real experience in the political spaces. | ||
| Milo has that experience and connections, but he's become a bit of a laughingstock that nobody is really going to take seriously. | ||
| Nick is savvy and media-ready, but no one really wants to associate with him because his public image is that he's a Nazi who was at the Unite the Right rally on January 6th, but people can't ignore him if he's attached to someone like Yay. | ||
| And the thing they all have in common is Christian fascist... | ||
| Yeah, it does seem that way. | ||
| Milo and Nick have been specific about their desire for Catholic fascism, but I think Ye has yet to make his preferences fully known, but he's been very clear about basically a theocratic system. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, fucking... | ||
| Who cares what he has to say? | ||
| I'm blown away by it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I care about all the evil shit he has to say that's causing damage, but I don't give a shit what he thinks might work. | ||
| Why the fuck would I care what he thinks a good government would be? | ||
| All I care about is he's an anti-Semitic piece of shit now, and we gotta stop him for that shit, you know? | ||
| I guess I don't think I was saying we're gonna discuss his policy prescriptions, necessarily. | ||
| I don't know what you're pushing back on. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then that's the other thing that they have in common, though, that you bring up, is that they have pretty fucked up and out-front views about hating Jewish people. | ||
| So it's a little insincere for Tim Pool to pretend that it's weird that this meeting was in the news. | ||
| The former president and a candidate for the next election was meeting with a trio of Christian fascist ideologues who have a rich history of anti-Semitism. | ||
| For whatever reason, this stayed in the news. | ||
| It's a ridiculous thing to have happen. | ||
| So weird to see everybody talking about a totally innocuous meeting between a former musical genius, incredibly weird loser fascist white dude, and his incredibly weird loser fascist white dude friend, and the former incredibly weird white dude fascist president! | ||
| That's a weird thing! | ||
| Yeah, it's understandable. | ||
| Anyway, Tim has all three of those dudes. | ||
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Of course. | |
| I can't believe you didn't hear about this. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| I can't believe you didn't hear about this. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why would I give a shit? | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So it's not just you. | ||
| This is a very big story. | ||
| A lot of people have questions about, you know, what were Trump's intentions? | ||
| Why were certain people invited? | ||
| And Trump, of course, has issued statements. | ||
| So a lot of people want to know where he stands and, more importantly, what happened there and why. | ||
| And there's also the questions about what Yay24 means. | ||
| And I'll keep that a little bit vague so that they can answer to that and speak more to that. | ||
| And, of course, we're going to get into a lot of different issues. | ||
| However, head over to TimCast.com and become a member. | ||
| We're going to have a members-only uncensored show, which will probably get a bit more in-depth on a lot. | ||
| I'll just leave it at that. | ||
| guest.com become a member support our work and we'll talk about more there I might be reading a little bit into things but it's my sense that Tim is trying to get people to go sign up for the website to get the bonus members only video with the implication that this was where there was going to be a conversation about the Jews stuff sure that was where that was gonna yeah if you listen to this episode you get the sense that Tim had a structure in mind of how this was gonna go where they would talk about the Trump dinner and he would pat himself on the back for being a great journalist and getting these primary sources in there. | ||
| Then they'd get to the anti-Semitism stuff later in a way that he could maximize his benefit from. | ||
| People like Tim Pool know business, and you don't want to give away the main event on free TV to use wrestling language. | ||
| You don't want to have the big feud, the big heel get beat up by the face on Raw. | ||
| It's interesting how that works, considering you never saw HBO do nine episodes of Game of Thrones, and then season finale, you gotta pay extra for it, bro. | ||
| That's an interesting model. | ||
| Somehow works. | ||
| Well, I mean, that is still just, like, subscription-based. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| So, like, you're already paying for all of it. | ||
| I guess a cable TV finale or whatever, yeah. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| You're not paying for any of those. | ||
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Fair point. | |
| You still gotta get a ticket to the movie. | ||
| The X-Files. | ||
| The movie of the X-Files, that's true. | ||
| Many, many years later. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Unfortunately, Ye almost immediately starts rambling tangential thoughts and gets into his feelings about Jews really early in the interview. | ||
| And Nick and Milo fully have his back. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Tim flounders a little bit, and then, spoiler alert, Ye storms out. | ||
| After which point... | ||
| I can't believe you didn't hear about this. | ||
| Why would I have heard about this? | ||
| A lot of people were talking about it last night because gay stormed out. | ||
| I'm officially off of Twitter. | ||
| I'm off of all social medias. | ||
| I'm in the wilderness now. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So after that happens, Tim and his crew of co-hosts sit around and talk about how well Tim handled himself and how he hates people who subscribe to identity politics because I guess that's how Tim decided to avoid saying anti-Semitism. | ||
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Wow. | |
| This is the long and short of what... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Faint praise, perhaps, but I think Nick comes off great because he doesn't say shit. | ||
| He basically avoids getting involved too much. | ||
| Milo is eager to say things. | ||
| Of course, Milo's been on the back bench for way too long. | ||
| Milo's getting his first taste of coverage again. | ||
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Of course he's going crazy. | |
| From my sense of it, I don't think that Nick likes Tim Pool much. | ||
| Well, for obvious fucking reasons. | ||
| He's also certainly, in other contexts, not welcome on the show. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, like, what are we talking about? | ||
| This is such a weird... | ||
| I don't think Tim or Nick is unaware that each other is aware of that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they would have to be. | ||
| That dynamic is very obvious. | ||
| It does have the feeling of, like, if the Ayatollah and conservative, like, prosperity gospel pastor got together, they'd be like, listen. | ||
| I don't agree with you, and I want you to die. | ||
| But actually, everything we want the world to be is pretty much identical, so we got a lot to talk about. | ||
| Apparently not, because this goes about 20 minutes. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Anyway, he has some co-hosts, Tim does. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this blew my mind. | ||
| Luke's here. | ||
| Total sausage fest tonight. | ||
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Welcome. | |
| My name is Luke Grodowski of WeAreChanged.org. | ||
| Today I'm wearing my Epstein Didn't Epstein Himself t-shirt. | ||
| Great start! | ||
| On TheBestPoliticalShirts.com. | ||
| And I think we should be using that word a little bit more. | ||
| Just like, you know, this YouTube channel didn't Epstein itself. | ||
| And if this YouTube channel is Epsteined, we will be streaming on Twitter. | ||
| So yeah, I started a t-shirt company after YouTube demonetized me. | ||
| So TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because you guys buy it. | ||
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That's why I'm here. | |
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| Why didn't he say that YouTube Epstein'd him? | ||
| So this is fun because there is this preemptive thing of like, oh, this is so dangerous. | ||
| YouTube is going to take this down as it's going on or whatever. | ||
| So that's fun. | ||
| They always do this. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But this is nuts. | ||
| Maybe I haven't paid Tim enough attention, but I had no idea that Luke Radowski was one of his co-hosts. | ||
| It's pretty hilarious for Tim to try and take some kind of a centrist neutral position when Luke is a co-host. | ||
| Luke Radowski is an old-time Alex Jones associate and a big-time 9-11 guy from way back. | ||
| We Are Change was a group that was formed for 9-11 conspiracy shit and to push Ron Paul's candidacy, which is pretty centrist stuff. | ||
| I know that some somewhat left-leaning people were suckered into supporting Ron Paul because of his opposition to war and support for weed, but... | ||
| People who were starting organizations to promote him weren't that naive about how extremely far to the right his actual politics were. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I find that to be a level of naivety that I'm not willing to accept. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he isn't some kind of a bit player in the history of conspiracy bullshit either. | ||
| Like, he's prominently featured in the 2009 documentary New World Order alongside Alex Jones and his drunk Bilderberg-obsessed Holocaust-denying friend Jim Tucker. | ||
| Honestly, this is a bad look for Poole with his whole game of trying to play like he's in the center and he's a really critical thinking type media figure. | ||
| Like, palling around with 9-11 conspiracy theorist Alex Jones cast-offs. | ||
| Maybe a bad look. | ||
| Is that what he's supposed to be trying to do? | ||
| Is that what people view him as? | ||
| Well, I don't know if... | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| I think maybe people who like him view him that way. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But I don't think anybody who would look at this with a critical eye would come away with that impression. | ||
| I think here's... | ||
| I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but you remember how Dave Rubin was like, I'm leaving the left, I'm the last kind of true classical liberal. | ||
| That kind of branding is really powerful, I think, for people who want to push right-wing ideas, but try and avoid any kind of the, like, I don't know. | ||
| Negative associations that come along with that. | ||
| And I think Tim is kind of in a similar milieu. | ||
| That's wild, because I've never seen anybody be like, hey, Tim Pool, without also being a shithead, you know? | ||
| Like, it's one to one. | ||
| Not one ever regular-ass, not-shithead person has ever been like, Tim Pool's got some good ideas. | ||
| You don't hang out in bad enough circles. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| Anyway, I'm sorry. | ||
| I interrupted you. | ||
| Already forgotten. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| If it was important, I would have remembered it. | ||
| Or I would be a different person. | ||
| So this next clip shocked me. | ||
| They're talking a little bit about how this trio came together. | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| Now I'm in. | ||
| Now I actually kind of wanted to listen to this. | ||
| Well, see, and I think that this is one of the reasons why, like, when I was listening to it, I was like, well, can't not talk about this. | ||
| Can't not talk about that. | ||
| I just want to start off by how did this dinner come to happen and what happened? | ||
| I was talking to Trump for about a month. | ||
| We had scheduled the dinner in October, and then he announced for president. | ||
| He pushed the dinner back to November. | ||
| And I've been pulling together a campaign, and after I put up the DEFCON tweet, a bunch of people that had been cancelled, like Alex Jones, I started getting in contact with other people that were now on the inside of the Matrix. | ||
| And Alex Jones, producer, said that Milo wanted to contact me. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| That's interesting, because I think that reveals a few things. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The first is that Milo is still in contact with Alex's producer, and on good enough terms that he can send messages through them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This could be Daria, I suppose, but it could also be one of the other figures around in fours, like Rob Du, or the, uh... | ||
| A IT guy, Michael Zimmerman, who has a bunch of connections to really extreme fringe figures. | ||
| So that could be sort of a natural person he would call a producer. | ||
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Right. | |
| I just, I don't see it being Daria. | ||
| If Daria is on email to email basis with Kanye, I just don't even know what the world is anymore. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I just don't. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know who it is, but that's a pretty interesting thing. | ||
| Ah, Dew has some beats. | ||
| I think, honestly, that's my issue with too much of this. | ||
| Rob Dew isn't a band. | ||
| I mean, the problem I have with Kanye and Milo and Nick Fuentes, aside from all their views, is just like, what the fuck do you talk about when you're not being anti-Semitic, you know? | ||
| Kanye can't be like, listen, I know you think that you want to go with 110, but if you go with 105 beats per minute, it's going to give you a little extra idiosyncrasy that's going to bring out some special juice, you know? | ||
| That's not going to happen! | ||
| Yay and Nick could talk about Chicago. | ||
| Oh, that's fair. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, whoever it was at InfoWars, they saw the tweet where Ye said that he was gonna go DeathCon 3 on the Jews, and they knew that this was exactly what they had been waiting for. | ||
| A huge celebrity ruining their public image in a way that it would be, you know, they'd be relegated to hanging out with dipshits like Milo and Nick. | ||
| This is the, like, all signs go. | ||
| No, this is the dream scenario. | ||
| They made their move, and Milo got connected to Ye by one of Alex's producers. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| This reveals another interesting thing, and that is that Alex's producer has been in touch with Ye, and Ye hasn't come on the show yet. | ||
| That has to be a choice. | ||
| This tends to point towards my theory that Alex actually doesn't want to have Ye on because of the possibility of exactly how this Tim Pool interview went. | ||
| Say what you like about this interview. | ||
| No one comes out looking good. | ||
| Milo, Nick, and Ye already look like shit, so it's a push for them. | ||
| But Tim really looks like a complete craven dick for engaging in this interview for attention and being so ineffectual. | ||
| I gotta say, though... | ||
| He's not so ineffectual once they storm out. | ||
| Because at that point he's trying to self-soothe. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| He's pretty. | ||
| I'm a big boy now. | ||
| He makes some pretty strong stances once they're gone. | ||
| What a fucking coward. | ||
| Yeah, so we got an InfoWars connection immediately. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| The InfoWars is central to this team coming together. | ||
| I'm really, really annoyed. | ||
| You know, like, it hits me in waves every couple months or so. | ||
| It's like, man, we started a show about some asshole who wasn't that important. | ||
| And now here we are. | ||
| Like, this is stupid. | ||
| Now here we are. | ||
| All this weird bullshit. | ||
| We're recording this just hours after Stuart Rhodes got found guilty of seditious conspiracy. | ||
| Joe Biggs is also on trial for that. | ||
| Why not have all of our opening season characters go to jail in season five? | ||
| Well, we need to, you know, I think that... | ||
| Boy. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, it's not lost on me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| It's hard not to be, yeah. | ||
| So anyway, that's how Milo and Ye came together. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And then... | ||
| So that's how you guys got in contact. | ||
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Yeah, originally. | |
| And then I suggested... | ||
| That we bring in Nicholas as an enormous extra brain firepower that he is. | ||
| Most extraordinarily brilliant political commentator of his generation. | ||
| And he's treated just about as badly as anybody, so I thought he deserved to be in the room too. | ||
| And yeah, that's pretty much how we've got together. | ||
| Yeah, one of the greatest political commentators of his generation. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah, I think this, I just, I think he doesn't know what he's doing. | ||
| I think Nick is really wrong on this one. | ||
| I think he's leapt in too fast. | ||
| He is going to become one of Kanye's losers. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He's just another one of Kanye's losers. | ||
| I think that there is a possibility for that, but I also think that there's... | ||
| I think that there's a possibility that Nick can engage in this kind of stuff and engage fairly unscathed. | ||
| Because I think... | ||
| That he is smart enough to let Milo get embarrassed. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| That could be the wise move, and he may have it. | ||
| I'm just saying that the more likely scenario is the young kid gets in over his head and gets eaten alive by the game. | ||
| That's the story we've heard too many times. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, look at Nick's career. | ||
| I mean, he went up against Turning Point USA and only grew through it. | ||
| They're certainly diminished in their capacity. | ||
| He thinks he's invincible. | ||
| Well, I mean, you could say there's some hubris, but I also think that, you know, times when you would have thought, like, oh, this isn't going to go well. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| No, I don't predict any... | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| There's a possibility for coming out the other end better for it. | ||
| It's possible, yeah. | ||
| Even if everything is a disaster. | ||
| So, Tim really wants to talk about the going to dinner thing. | ||
| That's really what he's interested in. | ||
| Yay is not. | ||
| So this is how you get in contact, the three of you. | ||
| How is it that Nick ends up invited to this dinner? | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| Well, he was rolling with me. | ||
| I was impressed with Nick. | ||
| And I was like, just come to the dinner. | ||
| And we had Karen Giorno pick us up from the airport. | ||
| And there was a lot of back and forth. | ||
| There's another gentleman named Jamar Montgomery that was with us. | ||
| He's an engineer at Boeing. | ||
| And his... | ||
| I'm telling you, we should raise everyone's volume. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| And we sat there and it was like, when Trump came in, we were... | ||
| I said, do you want to sit alone? | ||
| He's like, no, bring your friends in. | ||
| So a big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was. | ||
| But this whole... | ||
| I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening. | ||
| This is something, if you read the definition, it says you can't claim that there's multiple people inside of banks or in media that are all Jewish or you're anti-Semitic. | ||
| Start there. | ||
| And that's the truth. | ||
| Like, it's the truth. | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| Library, what do you mean? | ||
| I'm saying, like, I've been labeled anti-Semite. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you might notice that Ye isn't a big fan of finishing thoughts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's cute that he's trying to play a game where he has some definition he's decided to use for anti-Semitism so he can pretend it's absurd for him to be labeled as such a thing. | ||
| That's dumb, and I don't really want to take the time to humor that shit, but this clip is important because I think you can see Tim's uselessness here. | ||
| He's trying to ask a question about the dinner and very much doesn't want the anti-Semitism talk to come this early. | ||
| It's too volatile a topic, and if that's gonna come at all, it needs to be eased into a little bit. | ||
| Yay, on the other hand, is all too eager to talk about his feelings about Jewish people at any time when someone puts a mic in front of him, and because Tim can't control the conversation at all, this is where we are. | ||
| In fairness to Tim, there's no way to control this conversation. | ||
| Yay isn't interested in playing Tim Pool's games because he's super famous and he doesn't give a shit about... | ||
| Tim's crypto-extremist audience. | ||
| Yay's already past that. | ||
| He's already extreme. | ||
| He's hanging out with Nick and Milo. | ||
| And if anything, they were doing Tim a favor by showing up. | ||
| I know that Poole's show is big and all, but it's not Ye level. | ||
| There's no way to control this conversation because Ye doesn't give a shit, and even if he kind of gave a shit, he has two bigot friends there to embolden him and egg him on. | ||
| So honestly, if I were Tim, I never would have done a show like this. | ||
| It's great for getting attention, but the consequences are really bad. | ||
| Even leaving aside how bad it is for the public discourse to have this guest line up on the show, it's really bad for Tim. | ||
| He comes off looking like a really limp noodle, and because they left with Ye, Nick and Milo kind of have achieved something of an elevated status over Tim. | ||
| Because get this, without Milo, there's no way Ye was showing up on Poole's show. | ||
| From the perspective of Milo, and presumably Nick and Ye too, Tim fucked this up. | ||
| He fucked up an opportunity for himself. | ||
| And when Ye gets into this anti-Semitism defense of himself, all Tim can really muster is, what library? | ||
| As if his goal was to challenge the source of Ye's definition. | ||
| It's ridiculous, and it's a rebuttal that isn't designed to go anywhere. | ||
| It's designed to... | ||
| It's performative pushback more than it is actual engagement with anything that's being said. | ||
| And that's kind of the game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't seen an entourage this toxic since Elvis, so we all know that means Ye is going to die on the toilet of an impacted bowel. | ||
| I thought you were going to say Britney Spears with her group of stewardesses on that video. | ||
| No, they were taking advantage of Britney. | ||
| I'm talking about her song, Toxic. | ||
| Oh, her song. | ||
| The music video. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever seen the music video, Dan. | ||
| I believe she's on a plane at some point. | ||
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What? | |
| Is that Air Force One? | ||
| I think they were trying to trap people for an improv show. | ||
| Oh, that's terrible. | ||
| Call back. | ||
| So, I gotta be honest with y 'all. | ||
| There's a boop sound in this next clip, and that's because I thought that this video would be taken down. | ||
| Like, I thought Tim would take it down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I was recording it live, and I was also downloading some files. | ||
| I believe, like, some Alex Jones episodes. | ||
| And so my computer made a beep noise. | ||
| Eventually you got a boop. | ||
| When it's like a, you know, file downloaded. | ||
| So you'll hear that. | ||
| As a warning, there's a boop. | ||
| What you gonna do? | ||
| Anyway, yay's going in on his thing. | ||
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Boop! | |
| And in general, America... | ||
| Has been left ignorant and history has been changed. | ||
| So when we start questioning things that question the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, you said debanked or what did you say happened to you? | ||
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Demonetized, deplatformed. | |
| Yeah, demonized, demonetized. | ||
| And what's so beautiful about this time is... | ||
| Everyone got to see what's really been happening. | ||
| And now we can really understand. | ||
| We can see that Ron Emanuel was right next to Obama and then Jared Kushner was right next to Trump. | ||
| We're getting right into it, I guess, right? | ||
| I was hoping to go for the news first before we got into all of this stuff. | ||
| I think the issue is, one way to put it, Is you're expounding upon a localization issue that you've witnessed, right? | ||
| Let me clarify. | ||
| There are a handful of people that you see are Jewish in a certain place and then you associate Judaism with the power, whereas I view that as not relevant to it. | ||
| Like, yeah, you're substantially more powerful than I am, but I don't view what you're doing as an issue of black people. | ||
| Yeah, but have you ever heard the term the black vote? | ||
| So it's okay to put us in one net. | ||
| But it's not okay for me to put them in one net. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean... | ||
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That's the basis of the hypocrisy that people have been thinking about and knowing about and realizing for decades. | |
| We were all wondering how this dam was going to break. | ||
| Everybody in the country was wondering, what is the root of this hypocrisy? | ||
| Why can people talk about white people a certain way? | ||
| Why can't they talk about that group a certain way? | ||
| And the wretched and wicked and oppressive prevailing orthodoxy of cancel culture, well, it turned out that the one thing that was going to break the dam was the biggest star in the world. | ||
| And it took the biggest star in the world to do it. | ||
| Shut up! | ||
| And now the dam is broken. | ||
| So we see here that Tim does not have the tools that are needed to make any argument in this arena. | ||
| In many ways, he is Tim, the tool less maintainer. | ||
| This pool is empty. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So Tim really wants to call Ye's anti-Semitic ideas anything but anti-Semitic. | ||
| So he's trying to go with, quote, localization issue. | ||
| Rahm Emanuel is Jewish and worked for Obama, and Jared Kushner is Jewish and he worked for Trump. | ||
| Da-da! | ||
| That isn't a localization issue. | ||
| That's grasping at anti-Semitic straws. | ||
| That's what you're doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How does this theory even work if you're going to take it seriously? | ||
| No one wanted Jared to have any official role, and he wouldn't have if he wasn't Trump's son-in-law. | ||
| That wasn't a Jewishness issue. | ||
| It was a nepotism hire. | ||
| And what about the fact that Rahm was Obama's chief of staff from the time of his election until October 2010, when he ran for Chicago mayor? | ||
| He was only in that position for like a year and a half, and then was replaced by Bill Daley, relative of former Chicago mayor Richard Daley, who isn't Jewish. | ||
| But then, oh no, Daley was replaced by Jack Lew, who is Jewish and was the chief of staff for about a year. | ||
| And then he was replaced by Dennis Montague, who was a Irish Catholic. | ||
| This isn't a localization issue. | ||
| That's a euphemism that Poole is using so he doesn't have to call this what it is. | ||
| This is a person who has an anti-Semitic concordance. | ||
| This shit is paper thin, and Poole can't even handle that. | ||
| And because he's tried to frame this as a localization issue, he's walked into a trap that he can't get out of. | ||
| Ye is able to respond back to him that people talk about the black vote, which actually doesn't even relate to what Tim was saying, but Tim's point is so weak that I don't think he even has the energy to think it's worth standing on it. | ||
| If Tim had pushed back on the right thing and called this shit what it was, then this judo move that Ye and Milo were pulling wouldn't work. | ||
| It would be transparent how much of an evasion it is. | ||
| But Tim can't do that because that would place him in a really hostile situation. | ||
| First thing, he would land in a super confrontational argument against Ye, Milo, and Nick Fuentes, which is a bad matchup for Tim. | ||
| I know he has Luke Radowski there, but that's not really gonna help. | ||
| It's still three on two, and Milo and Nick are great talkers. | ||
| Secondly, and even more difficultly, Tim needs to win that argument, or else he would be airing a livestream where he gets out-argued by anti-Semites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He would lose that battle of ideas, and that is a real risk. | ||
| So the reality is that Tim wants nothing more than to not really push back on this issue and definitely not call it what it is, because I don't think he wants the consequences that come along with that. | ||
| I mean, it's hard-pressed to say, ladies and gentlemen, after talking with Kanye, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Nick Fuentes, I have to agree, all Jews are bad. | ||
| That's not going to go good. | ||
| That's not going to go good. | ||
| You may not have to admit that, but if you get your ass kicked in an argument on your own show where the stakes are all Jews are bad, then yes, you are saying that. | ||
| I mean, but I think that Tim is aware that that is a conversation that these three... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that's why he's dancing around calling something anti-Semitic instead of being, oh, it's a localization issue or whatever. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It's somebody who doesn't want to have the conversation while pretending he does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's funny in some ways just because so many of these people are from a distance like watching Ye pull his bullshit going like, yeah, pumping their fists. | ||
| But when you're in a situation where you have to have a professional conversation with Ye, he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| You're the loser here. | ||
| Ye is... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's a question of... | ||
| You can watch him say anti-Semitic things on other shows and be like, that's what I want on my show, right? | ||
| But... | ||
| But I want him to say it and then walk away from it, back away, like so many other people do. | ||
| We're so used to seeing people step over the line and then go on a show the next day and be like, well, I didn't mean to step over the line. | ||
| Well, fuck off, you did. | ||
| Tim wants there to be some sense of like... | ||
| On my show, we'll get the, like, what I was actually trying to say is blank. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, but he did mean what he said. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's not going to... | ||
| And he has two worse people with him. | ||
| Yeah, it is, like, so transparent how much these people want to exploit the anti-Semitism, but don't want to engage with it. | ||
| You know, they want it to be there. | ||
| They want the fans of anti-Semitism to be their fans, but they don't ever want to actually deal with the anti-Semitism one way or the other. | ||
| And so when you have Kanye on, you're thinking, okay, here's what I get. | ||
| I get all of his power and I get him doing the thing that we all know he's going to do where he says, listen. | ||
| People misunderstood. | ||
| People didn't, you know, that whole thing. | ||
| And it's not gonna happen. | ||
| He's gonna come out and say, I hate the Jews. | ||
| You're not gonna not get that. | ||
| Maybe not in as many words. | ||
| But I think that what Tim would have liked is the... | ||
| Attention and gigantic amount of people putting their eyes on him because of getting this interview and the controversialness of it. | ||
| You want him to say tiger blood and all that shit. | ||
| You have your show, and the show is talking about the dinner and talking about some news items. | ||
| And then you have the Jewish conversation that they have about Kanye's anti-Semitic comments. | ||
| And you do this localization issue stuff, and that's how you try to push back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You want to do that. | ||
| It's basically having your cake and eating it, too. | ||
| And it's just, I don't know. | ||
| Why would you think that's gonna work? | ||
| I mean, because by putting the localization thing in there, he's trying to create boundaries for the conversation, you know? | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't give a shit? | ||
| Of course not! | ||
| What part of Ye's life do you think cares about your boundaries? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Nick was at the Unite the Right rally when he was 18. You think he gives a shit about you? | |
| He's a 12-year-old Nazi. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| Yeah, he started his own, like, streaming thing. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit about you. | ||
| None of them care. | ||
| And as long as they're associated with yay, they don't have to care. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| If Nick Fuentes or Milo were on Poole's show by themselves, they would suck up to Poole so much. | ||
| Not really, actually. | ||
| Milo was recently on by himself. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| And he gave some pushback to Tim Poole on some stuff. | ||
| They're all the same white guy. | ||
| Yeah, he was not as obsequious as you might imagine. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| My perceptions are wrong once more. | ||
| But Milo's a guy who's... | ||
| He's got a pretty high sense of himself. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Nobody would ever accuse him of humility. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No matter what period of his career. | ||
| But look, what Milo was saying there, that's all meaningless stuff. | ||
| But it puts Tim in a really bad box. | ||
| It's one that Tim does not want to be in. | ||
| And the reason that it's really bad for him is that he thinks it's a great box for him. | ||
| When you're talking about identity stuff. | ||
| Identity politics. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This is where I live. | ||
| This is my bread and butter. | ||
| I push back on this all the time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And now the dam is broken. | ||
| So let me tell you my issue. | ||
| I don't like identitarianism. | ||
| You guys are familiar with what that is? | ||
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Well, they started it, and they've been visiting it on ice. | |
| We're trying to break it. | ||
| When I was asking you about running for president, you immediately said, whoa, you know, you'd be good for the black vote. | ||
| And I said, is that because I'm black? | ||
| No, not just because of that. | ||
| So it was that. | ||
| Are you doing the same thing? | ||
| I didn't say that was the only reason. | ||
| I said it was because you're personable to the common person. | ||
| And you probably would do well with the black vote. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Just because I'm black? | ||
| There's a lot of black people that don't like me. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think race plays a role in a lot of things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| This is just one of Tim's big buzzwords. | ||
| He hates identitarianism, which, as far as I can tell from listening to him, is just a smarter-sounding word than if you were to complain about identity politics. | ||
| That would make you sound like a Reddit user from 2016, and that is not what Tim is. | ||
| The problem is that Tim isn't consistent about this thinking about things in terms of identity, and Ye essentially destroys that whole attempt at an argument. | ||
| Tim is trying to reframe Ye's antisemitism as an instance of identitarianism, and then runs right into a brick wall of Ye bringing up that he'd said that That Ye would do well with the black vote. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's hard not to say that what just happened was Kanye was like, I hate identitarianism. | ||
| And then Kanye was like, yeah, you did the thing. | ||
| And he was like, no, I didn't. | ||
| Race plays an issue. | ||
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| No, you did the thing. | ||
| just say it it's important to also understand that when tim says identitarian he's not talking about the actual thing identitarianism because that is a thing tim and most of his friends actually are pretty solidly identitarian in terms of the actual political philosophy that word describes they're nationalists they're highly concerned about ideas like the great replacement they hate globalism and they're into traditionalism it's pretty clear that this is right in line with By the way... | ||
| crew at his show, but looking through their guest list, I found that one of his producers guested on an episode, producers slash co-hosts, quite frankly, and she's one of the people who steps in when Ye leaves to fill in one of the chairs. | ||
| One of the people who takes over and is clearly part of the show is a woman named Hannah Claire Brimlow, who is the daughter of Peter Brimlow, the founder of V-Dare, the outlet that's known for promoting white nationalists and anti-Semitic writers. | ||
| It's so weird! | ||
| She's one of his co-hosts. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| What a team! | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Not identitarian at all, man. | ||
| It's like, I just wish it wasn't so easy to see through them. | ||
| Because when it's so easy and it makes you feel bad about the rest of the people who don't see through it, you know? | ||
| Because it's like when you if you're doing the like fucking simple addition worksheet, you know, where you're like nine plus three and you see somebody struggling with, you know, like five plus seven because I get it, you know, you think it's going to be 14. I do all the time. | ||
| And you're like, oh, you're so close, man! | ||
| And it makes you feel bad. | ||
| And this makes me feel bad. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| It makes me feel bad to know that these people are allowed. | ||
| The next clip's gonna make you feel bad, too. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So this is a little bit longer clip, about three minutes, because I wanted to retain it in its context. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| Talking? | ||
| Just talking. | ||
| Just talking. | ||
| Just smart people talking. | ||
| All over the place. | ||
| It's mostly one person. | ||
| It's mostly just yay. | ||
| I think the construct of race has really been forced upon us as just something for us to be woke about and just constantly talk about and use it as these, like, walls. | ||
| Couldn't you say the same thing about Judaism? | ||
| Well, let's look at the facts of what I'm saying, though. | ||
| If you say, in this neighborhood where they gerrymander, there's this amount of time. | ||
| So, hey, I wasn't doing that. | ||
| I was just gerrymandering the lawyers and the Hollywood executives and the people at the bank. | ||
| That debanked me and then froze my accounts. | ||
| You know, it's like we want to jump into protecting the idea that we can't put a net around something, right? | ||
| But that's been my job as a producer to take, you know, a Roy Ayers sample and put a James Brown drum and put it within a two... | ||
| Two-minute, three-minute song. | ||
| That's the way I actually think, and that's the way I talk. | ||
| And now, this morning, I found out that they were trying to put me in prison because what they did was I moved $140 million into J.P. Morgan, and I said, I want to talk to Jamie Dimon. | ||
| Like, look at me. | ||
| I'm just going in naive. | ||
| You know, multi-billionaire, like, maybe Jamie Dimon will let me in on some deal flow. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| And I'm just, like, banging. | ||
| Why are you laughing? | ||
| He just referenced. | ||
| And I start complaining online, and then they debank me for complaining. | ||
| And so I'm about to get debanked. | ||
| They're like, you need to go to... | ||
| Trump's the bank. | ||
| AXO, whatever. | ||
| You got to go. | ||
| And I'm like, I've been trying to buy my own bank for the longest. | ||
| And then we figured out how to get my own bank. | ||
| It's like $50 million, $75 million. | ||
| So I'm about to buy my own bank. | ||
| But then, as they're about to take the money out... | ||
| Here comes Adidas with a $275 million bill for marketing funds that they agreed upon. | ||
| Because I said to them, hey, I'm the marketing. | ||
| Give me the marketing fund. | ||
| Which proves by the response they got when they stole the designs and said, we're going to not call them Yeezys anymore. | ||
| So this is what I was already fighting Adidas for. | ||
| So I'm fighting Gap. | ||
| Get out of Gap. | ||
| Fighting Adidas. | ||
| And then I deal with this little bit of noise from, you know. | ||
| Zionism from the fashion world, where they use this plant named Gabby, who's obviously some kind of CIA agent, knows nothing about fashion. | ||
| This is a certain thing. | ||
| When someone can't dress, you know that they're not a fashion person. | ||
| They're just there as the control that they try to use with celebrities, which has now been broken, right? | ||
| Because you know where it broke? | ||
| Okay, I want to get on LeBron in a second. | ||
| But I'm going to come back to this and just talk about this morning where, you know, I'm not going to mention her name because she's a nice lady, but someone at Cohen Resnick tells me, and I tell all of my finance people, never use the term a lot, but they said, okay, you're going to have to pay a lot of taxes. | ||
| And that made me feel like they're just like waiting, like we finally got them. | ||
| we finally can put him in jail. | ||
| And I was like, can I still run for president in jail? | ||
| I found out I could. | ||
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So I was like, okay, that's fine then. | |
| I have to complete this thought. | ||
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, well played, Luke Radowski. | ||
| What was the thought completion? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What was the completion of that thought? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, so look, that was tangential as hell, and it only really makes sense if you squint, and even then, the conclusion I come to is that Ye is kind of a bigot, and he's confused. | ||
| I want to, like, at the beginning of the thing, I don't think he understands what gerrymandering is. | ||
| No. | ||
| I know that was minutes ago. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I wrote that down. | ||
| He doesn't quite get that one. | ||
| No. | ||
| The other thing, too, is that he's saying that they're trying to put him in jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And apparently the rationale for that is he found out he owes a lot of taxes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're trying to put him in jail? | ||
| Is it just you owe a lot of taxes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, this is all over the place, and this kind of a rambling thing going on this long tells you that Tim has... | ||
| Lost control. | ||
| He is not in control of this. | ||
| He has given up, essentially, on in any way trying to be a host on this show. | ||
| Luke Radowski is the one who has to try and jump in, and he brings up fucking Epstein for some reason, and then gets shut down by Ye saying, I need to finish my thought, and then he's like, oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, great. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| This is tough. | ||
| This is tough to listen to, because it does feel like what needs to happen is... | ||
| The Soulquarians need to kidnap Kanye and take him to a fucking ayahuasca retreat together and then they'll be fine. | ||
| Like, it feels fucking insane. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Like, he's surrounded by the worst people in the middle of, I mean, clearly an inability to think. | ||
| I mean, just... | ||
| That's not a question. | ||
| I'm not saying that it makes him anti-Semitic by any stretch, but there is a clear inability to think. | ||
| There's clear processing, tangential thought, organizational... | ||
| Stuff that's being expressed. | ||
| It's pretty clear the way that A jumps to C to L to back to B. No, and there's been tons of talk about the mental illness and how people are trying to handle, oh, it seems like he's having a manic episode. | ||
| Obviously, we don't know for sure. | ||
| We don't know his doctor or whatever. | ||
| And then at the same time, obviously, I'm bipolar. | ||
| I've had plenty of manic episodes where I've never... | ||
| Claimed that lawyers were at fault for me going to jail because they were Jewish. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that's never happened. | ||
| I understand that those two things are not connected to each other. | ||
| They can happen at the same time and not, like, one be the cause of the other. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, in this regard... | ||
| This is somebody who is... | ||
| If you're Tim, like, listening to this, you should not be like, oh, this is an interview I should be engaging in. | ||
| No, I'd be like, we need to stop this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We need to stop this. | ||
| This is not acceptable. | ||
| At very least, you'd have... | ||
| Well, I mean, you'd have a responsibility to try and end the interview, I think, quite frankly. | ||
| But if not, at least try to bring some structure to what's going on. | ||
| Because this is just rambling. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Here's what I'll say. | ||
| Here's what I will say about this. | ||
| As a bipolar person, if this is me in Tim Pool's place, we're done with the interview. | ||
| I'm taking Kanye, and we're just going to go sit. | ||
| And I know it feels like that's a trite thing. | ||
| The problem is that it's live. | ||
| No, I understand that, but it's got to stop. | ||
| It's got to stop. | ||
| He's got to go. | ||
| And I understand that it feels trite to be like, oh, we need to go sit. | ||
| I mean, literally, I need to go be in a room with him where there's no interruptions or impulses or any control. | ||
| Fight off Nick with a broom. | ||
| It does need to be that situation because this is unacceptable. | ||
| The way that people are using him is fucked. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But the rambling does go on. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Next year, I was supposed to make $500 million in royalties. | ||
| And no one needs this amount of money. | ||
| But when I would work on homeless shelters and ideas, I'd have a contractor. | ||
| We won't say what race. | ||
| And they'd be tearing down the contracts. | ||
| It's all about... | ||
| You know, position. | ||
| It's not about the amount of money that you have. | ||
| And, you know, to come in here, I feel like it's a setup to be, like, defending. | ||
| I'm not going to go through another... | ||
| Like, I'm literally going to walk the F off the show if I'm sitting up here having a, you know... | ||
| Talk about it. | ||
| You can't say that it was Jewish people that did it when every sensible person knows that. | ||
| I mean, Jon Stewart knows what happened to me, and they took it too far. | ||
| It was like American History X. Like, my head was on the side of the curve, and the exact people that I called out kicked my head. | ||
| We found out that my trainer was a MKUltra Canadian. | ||
| He worked in the defense research and development in the Canadian military, essentially working on psyops in the Canadian military. | ||
| This is Harley Pasternak. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| Thanks, Lou Kradowski, throwing in support. | ||
| Not only... | ||
| Here's where I'm going to jump in to double down that your trainer is an MKUltra guy. | ||
| Was that what he needed to intervene here for? | ||
| Apparently so, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this has been legitimately like five minutes straight of Ye rambling about entirely, like almost entirely uninterrupted about a wide selection of topics with only the thinnest connective tissue existing between them. | ||
| And now he's getting defensive about the whole thing about how he's anti-Semitic when he was the one who brought it up to begin with. | ||
| Tim would have loved to save that for the part of the show that's behind a paywall or at very least the end of the show. | ||
| But, yay, did not let that happen. | ||
| Harley Pasternak is a personal trainer for celebrities, but one of his previous gigs was working with the Canadian Department of National Defense. | ||
| One of the things there that he did was running studies on drugs and how they affected various aspects of soldiers' performance, like things that could keep people up for a long period of time, that weren't stimulants, etc. | ||
| There's no indication that he's MKUltra, but he's Jewish, so that explains Ye's preoccupation with him. | ||
| Ye posted a couple of alleged screenshots of messages Pasternak sent him, where Pasternak was threatening to, quote, have you institutionalized again where they medicate the crap out of you and you go back to zombie land forever. | ||
| I have no idea if these are real texts, and honestly, if this guy's some big-time Hollywood celebrity handler, there's no way he would make a threat like that in texts. | ||
| If the evil cabal was that sloppy, they'd be getting busted all over the place. | ||
| It would fall apart so fast. | ||
| Anyway, larger point. | ||
| Tim is doing nothing here. | ||
| He has not been able to come up with any decent rebuttals to this shit and the things that he does say end up getting him in traps. | ||
| And now he's just let Ye monologue for what feels like a lifetime and that's not even good enough. | ||
| Ye still managed to somehow feel like he's being put on trial for rambling about a topic that he brought up himself. | ||
| If I were Poole, I just wouldn't have done this interview. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Listen, all I'm going to say is I don't want to get caught up in one of these things where we talk about how I'm an anti-Semite. | ||
| You brought it up. | ||
| I want to constantly make jokes and implications that all Jews are bad. | ||
| And I don't want you to push back. | ||
| I want you to laugh at my funny I hate Jew jokes like these two white nationalists do right over here. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's got a dumb face. | ||
| He's laughing right fucking now. | ||
| But they aren't really jokes. | ||
| They're accusations. | ||
| And Luke Radowski was doubling down on one of them. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| I feel like it's generous to say that these are... | ||
| Implications and jokes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's a little bit rich. | ||
| No, it is one of those far-right things where everybody laughs when you say the thing that you mean. | ||
| You know, like, you say, like, oh, and I hate Jews, and everybody laughs, but they all know that you mean it. | ||
| You do mean that. | ||
| Nick is a little bit better about this whenever he's on his own. | ||
| Right, but... | ||
| Making things... | ||
| Oh, I'm joking! | ||
| Oh, I'm joking, but you mean it. | ||
| That's why you're laughing. | ||
| Speaking of Nick, he doesn't come up all that much. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| But here's where Tim Pool decides to bring him into it. | ||
| Before the show, obviously, I'm getting a bunch of messages from people. | ||
| People are hitting me up and they're like, you shouldn't host them. | ||
| They're anti-Semitic. | ||
| They're white supremacists. | ||
| They're racist. | ||
| I do find the idea, I do find it funny or weird or whatever that, you know, Nick, they call you a white supremacist. | ||
| You're here working with or for, you know, one of the most powerful black men, one of the wealthiest and most famous. | ||
| But a lot of people are saying on the right, specifically, don't platform them. | ||
| That's how you're going to bring up Nick? | ||
| People say that you're a white nationalist, but you're working with a black guy? | ||
| You're a white nationalist, but Kanye's here. | ||
| How do you feel about that? | ||
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This is ridiculous. | |
| That's your response to like, oh, people make these accusations about you, Nick, but you couldn't possibly be because you hang out with this. | ||
| This is a black guy. | ||
| That's an observation. | ||
| That's like, hey, Nick. | ||
| You're a white nationalist. | ||
| There's a black man next to you. | ||
| See? | ||
| And then you move on. | ||
| It's not even like a statement. | ||
| It's a defense and a deflection of criticism about Nick. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| This is sanitizing and making Nick palatable by pretending to rebut the arguments that people make against him. | ||
| It's fucking stupid. | ||
| Everybody speaks ill of white nationalists, you know? | ||
| But here we have one sitting next to a black man. | ||
| No one's dead. | ||
| See? | ||
| See? | ||
| White nationalists are people too! | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, he gets back to the things he really wants to talk about. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And I said, well, I want to understand what they're thinking and why they're thinking it. | ||
| They're involved in what may be the biggest news story of the past week, and we have an opportunity to sit down and talk to them. | ||
| Because the red media controls both sides. | ||
| It just said it as simple as possible. | ||
| Jared Kushner was next to Trump. | ||
| Ron Emanuel was next to Obama. | ||
| But since 1940... | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I was going to say, isn't that an issue of these individuals? | ||
| Really wonder what Ye was about to say. | ||
| Things have been happening since the 40s? | ||
| Since 1940. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| What was... | ||
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Excuse me. | |
| Excuse me. | ||
| We're talking about the... | ||
| We're talking about the Jews? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And you were about to say 19-4. | ||
| 19-4. | ||
| I need to finish that thought. | ||
| Really got to imagine that Tim is glad that he didn't finish that thought. | ||
| Yeah, man, Tim. | ||
| Whatever that was probably wasn't good. | ||
| There should have been a fucking tackler on the edge just being like, hey, listen, eventually you're going to be needed. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So, yeah, he threatens to leave again. | ||
| Whenever he did storm out, I really don't think anyone should have been surprised, even in the room. | ||
| Like, he's brought it up twice. | ||
| He brought it up twice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because of things that, the topics that he himself has decided to complain about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the non-existent pushback and reframing, actually, that Tim is trying to do to make his beliefs acceptable and palatable to the audience. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, but yeah, he's gonna leave. | ||
| Because the red media controls both sides. | ||
| It just said it as simple as possible. | ||
| Jared Kushner was next to Trump. | ||
| Ron Emanuel was next to Obama. | ||
| Since 1940... | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I was going to say, isn't that an issue of these individuals? | ||
| Like, you're extrapolating... | ||
| I'm going to get... | ||
| I'm going to order... | ||
| With the last of my money that's available in a different account, I'm going to order a PJ before I sit and have another Lex Friedman setup conversation. | ||
| When I'm literally trying, they're trying to put me in jail for my opinion. | ||
| But I get that. | ||
| I'm not going to have that opinion. | ||
| I don't care about people. | ||
| Those are bots that are trying to tell you. | ||
| We realize, look at Pence. | ||
| He sold Trump out. | ||
| You get what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like, I would have never wanted to do anything that hurt. | ||
| Trump. | ||
| I'm on Trump's side. | ||
| Trump said things that hurt me. | ||
| He lied about me. | ||
| But, I mean, he's known for lying. | ||
| And when people used to tell me that, you know, he's a liar, it's like, you know, I went into the trenches for Trump. | ||
| That's another conversation. | ||
| There was no one in my position that wore that hat. | ||
| And all of my surroundings exhausted me. | ||
| It was like death by a thousand questions. | ||
| I know I'm jumping to another thing. | ||
| But what I'm saying is I know you got a rep for your people online, but it's like you got a person in real life that... | ||
| I'm not with it, bro. | ||
| I lost the money for the freedom of speech. | ||
| And that's what makes me the only American that we know that... | ||
| Trump really deserves to run the country because everyone else, your boy DeSantis, Trump, whoever they raise in a Petri dish over on the Democrat side is going to play the game. | ||
| Here's what I was trying to get to. | ||
| You went right into the anti-Semite thing. | ||
| I think it's something that should be talked about, but if you start bringing this up, you're going to ask my opinion on it. | ||
| I'm going to disagree with you. | ||
| I didn't ask your opinion on it. | ||
| You jumped into it. | ||
| I don't care about your opinion. | ||
| I like your opinion on how we win an election, but I don't care about anybody's opinion. | ||
| Bro, I lost. | ||
| They tried to put me in jail. | ||
| They blocked two billion dollars I had. | ||
| But I told Farrakhan, I said, look, oh, is it anti-Semitic for me to say his name out loud? | ||
| The minister. | ||
| Yeah, the minister. | ||
| Obama met with him, too. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the Jewish people allowed Obama to meet with the minister. | ||
| You know, so... | ||
| Yikes. | ||
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That's... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't imagine Tim is sitting here thinking, like, there's a productive way that this is going to make it to minute 30. Yeah. | ||
| When Ye is already saying, I don't care about your opinion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to say my anti-Jew stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| You kind of just got to be like, wow, this is... | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Almost like storming out's an ideal turn of events. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, frankly, we're an Asimov storm out at this point. | ||
| I feel like if you bring it up twice, you've got to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Kanye's still a showman, so he's not going to not storm out. | ||
| It's not as flamboyant a storm out as you might hope. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it is a leaving, nonetheless, fairly abruptly. | ||
| Man, I think if I'm Tim Pool, all that's going on in my head right now is, great job, Tim Pool. | ||
| You're so good at this. | ||
| People are going to pay so much attention to me. | ||
| I'm a big boy. | ||
| I do think that there is an interesting dynamic where Tim feels like he's disagreeing with Ye in a meaningful way. | ||
| And that is not happening. | ||
| No. | ||
| I understand that he thinks that he's disagreeing with Ye by saying this is a localization issue or something like that. | ||
| But in reality, that's not challenging the point of what Kanye believes. | ||
| It's just putting another hat on it that maybe looks better to Tim Pool's audience. | ||
| So they can accept the content of what Ye is saying, just in a different way. | ||
| Just look at it a little bit differently. | ||
| Well, I mean, these are all far-right people. | ||
| Who live under this guise of, I say whatever I want because... | ||
| The censors have already, you know, like, I will be uncensored, and so if you turn me off or whatever, I'll keep saying whatever I want. | ||
| But they don't understand what it actually means to not give a fuck about what anybody says. | ||
| Like, they all live on this pretend, we put on this cape of like, oh, the mainstream media hates us, and they still pretend that they don't have a complete and utter obligation to say whatever it is that their audience wants. | ||
| You know, like, you guys just say whatever your audience wants the same way that you... | ||
| You think other people are containing your speech or whatever. | ||
| Kanye really does not give a fuck. | ||
| He is going to say whatever the fuck he wants, and it really doesn't matter to him. | ||
| That's what they don't understand. | ||
| They don't understand a person who truly does not care. | ||
| And somebody who truly doesn't care and is enabled by at least two people in the room who... | ||
| We have a very strong interest in him not giving a fuck. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the things he's saying because he doesn't give a fuck really advance their worldview. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's like if the King of Rohan were hanging out with Saruman and Wormtongue. | ||
| That's just how it goes, man. | ||
| That's how it is. | ||
| So here is where it all falls apart. | ||
| There's a bit of a ramble, of course, that leads into it. | ||
| And then I guess Ye just decides, I've had enough. | ||
| The contract for the next four years, if I hadn't done anything, would have been $500 million a year for four years. | ||
| What I was fighting for was the IP so my children could, you know, I'm sorry, sometimes I think about seven thoughts at one time. | ||
| Because anything I see, I come up with like seven answers to it and then just choose what it is. | ||
| But the thing is, when I said my children, the reason why my brain kind of blocked, because it's like God is saying, you know, your children are going to be okay. | ||
| You know, baby mama's got money, right? | ||
| God is using me. | ||
| He's breaking me down, removing all of the... | ||
| You know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve him. | ||
| And the more and more those things are taken away from me, the more I can be empty and be a vessel and be able to be used. | ||
| And right now, it's like, you're not going to take... | ||
| You're not going to take my pain away, right? | ||
| The Jewish people say, it's the Holocaust, this happened, and you can't say anything about it. | ||
| We can't take their pain away. | ||
| No one's going to denounce the fact that... | ||
| They try to lock me up. | ||
| That's what... | ||
| Because every time I'm just holding stride and it's like... | ||
| I thought I was more Malcolm X, but I find out I'm more MLK because as I'm getting hosed down every day by the press and financially, I'm just standing there. | ||
| And when I found out that they tried to put me in jail, it was like a dog was biting my arm. | ||
| And I almost shed a tear. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| But I still walked in stride through it. | ||
| I think they've been extremely unfair to you. | ||
| Who was they, though? | ||
| We can't say who they is, can we? | ||
| I don't use the word as the way I guess you guys use... | ||
| It is them, though, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, because when you think about it, consider it. | ||
| In 2018... | ||
| What do you mean it's not? | ||
| What do I mean, like... | ||
| Okay, so how about... | ||
| Are you leaving? | ||
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Are you afraid of the press? | |
| He's gone. | ||
| I'll say it right now. | ||
| You guys want to bring that stuff up? | ||
| Have the discussion. | ||
| You think he's going to come in here and say, here's my pain, here's my suffering, I'm going to say, I hear you. | ||
| And then he's going to say, and it was Jewish people, and I'm going to be like, okay, but don't you consider, I'm not going to do this, I refuse. | ||
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Make sure he's cool. | |
| Alright, go for it. | ||
| Luke and I will have a conversation. | ||
| So, I can't say I'm surprised. | ||
| What do I even do? | ||
| Other than ask him, please elaborate on this, are you referring to individuals or are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful individuals are causing you harm? | ||
| I don't think that he did do that. | ||
| I don't think that Tim Pool even did. | ||
| He's giving himself the credit for having provided a little bit of pushback and like, Kanye can't handle this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever, but that's not the case at all. | ||
| Yeah, he made himself mad and then left because Tim just didn't play along. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He didn't even push back. | ||
| Really. | ||
| I would say that if you put the camera on him and didn't have Tim or anyone else there, then eventually, if he were talking for 20 minutes, he would have stood up and left anyways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Regardless of what anyone was talking about. | ||
| He would start... | ||
| Talking, get to a hundred different topics, eventually complain about some Jewish people, and then be like, I'm not in a position where I need to defend myself to myself, and I'm out of here. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, honestly, what's fun about it is that they clearly are not recognizing that they are so meaningless and empty compared to, like, they just... | ||
| And I think that if Tim wants the credit for what he's giving himself credit for, he should have given far more concrete pushback to the very ridiculous things that were being said. | ||
| He would have maybe tried to get some clarity on some of the rambling points that went nowhere and didn't get finished. | ||
| Like, there's a completely different set of behaviors that you would have expected if he was going to be like... | ||
| I can't be expected to just let Ye show up and say these things and expect that I'm not going to, you know, like, no, you didn't do that. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's a fiction that you're painting now that he has left the room. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And great, congratulations for that. | ||
| But you didn't, this is not a Frost Nixon type moment. | ||
| I mean, no matter what he did, though, what's unacceptable is that Kanye was on. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Well, I mean, we can talk about that, but where I'll meet you for sure is that it's unacceptable that Kanye, Milo, and Nick were there together. | ||
| Sure, I'm just... | ||
| I think that there's a certain world where, if it's just Ye, you could potentially provide pushback. | ||
| You know, he'd probably end up leaving anyway, just like this. | ||
| But when you have the three of them there, there's no win. | ||
| You're either going to end up in this situation, or, worst case scenario, they respond. | ||
| And you can't handle the three-on-one that's going on of the Milo, Nick, and Ye. | ||
| And you just end up looking like an idiot getting dunked on by anti-Semites. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Because you're one of them. | ||
| And you're the one with your hands tied behind your back. | ||
| You're the one who can't say, I know, I agree with you. | ||
| Whether or not that's the case, I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You are definitely in a position that they are not in. | ||
| I would say the problem I have is, one, there's no reason to have Ye on even by himself, because what are you going to push back on if the thought is going to be completely different two seconds later? | ||
| What are you going to convince him of that won't then be different two seconds later? | ||
| What thought is he going to follow you all the way through to the conclusion with? | ||
| It's just identity politics, bro. | ||
| No, it's not even that. | ||
| You're just having them on there as a fucking freak. | ||
| It's a freak show, and you're pretending that it's not. | ||
| I mean, it's the same thing that you can expect a lot of these folks on the right to be doing, which is trying to... | ||
| Chase whatever attention they can get by proximity to a giant celebrity. | ||
| Put Kanye on a dunk tank, it would have been a better show. | ||
| Because what this is is unlistenable garbage. | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| And it's a fucking freak show, so you might as well embrace it. | ||
| Because that's what you're doing. | ||
| If I may be so bold, I did listen to After He Left. | ||
| And the show is better when he was on. | ||
| Because at least there's stakes. | ||
| And there's something that's, there's a tension to it. | ||
| At least it's like, is something gonna break? | ||
| What's gonna happen here? | ||
| Whereas afterwards, it's just him sitting there with the daughter of the guy who made V-Dare, Luke Radowski, and some other lady talking about how great a job Tim did and how he's a big boy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's him sitting, going from sitting with five anti-Semites to just two. | ||
| And that's really nice. | ||
| Well, to be fair, yeah. | ||
| Five others. | ||
| I don't know who the third, or the other lady is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who is in there? | ||
| I know there's a V-Dare daughter, Luke Radowski, and then there's another woman, but I don't know who she is. | ||
| Luke Radowski earlier saying, it is them, though, isn't it? | ||
| As if he didn't understand exactly who the them was. | ||
| That was Nick. | ||
| Oh, that was Nick? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I thought that was his voice. | ||
| No, no, sorry. | ||
| I've seen a lot of response to this be things like, how does Ye think he can run for president if he can't stand a little pushback in the interview? | ||
| And I think that that misses some important points. | ||
| The first is that to people inclined to like Ye and respond to the message that he's putting out, leaving this interview doesn't actually signal weakness. | ||
| It comes off as kind of strong. | ||
| Ye doesn't need to be there? | ||
| No. | ||
| Ye's the only person who doesn't need to be there. | ||
| The second thing is that if you just watch the minute prior to the storming out, it kind of does appear like Tim is giving some pushback to Ye, but I don't think that's necessarily a fair way to characterize the rest of the interview. | ||
| If anything, Ye entered this interview having just said a bunch of comically anti-Semitic stuff, proceeded to say anti-Semitic nonsense, and Tim did his best to sanitize it so the audience could see it as something other than anti-Semitism. | ||
| It was a localization issue or an instance of identitarianism, but it wasn't the thing that it obviously was. | ||
| This wasn't an episode of Tim giving pushback to Ye's ideas and Ye not being able to handle it. | ||
| It was a case of Tim failing in an effort to whitewash the things Ye was saying. | ||
| Whether or not that was his conscious intent, that's exactly what Tim achieved, or failed to achieve. | ||
| And no shade on Tim for failing on that effort. | ||
| Ye clearly had no interest in participating in the sanitization of his shit. | ||
| Tim wasn't going to be able to pull that off. | ||
| The problem, as I see it, is that this happened in the first place, as you said, basically. | ||
| The way it went down and all that is pretty much what you'd expect, considering the players involved. | ||
| It's flashy and kind of funny to see a show go off the rails, but it wasn't even good in that world. | ||
| People storming off shows, way better instances of that have happened. | ||
| Somehow, somehow, for the first time in history... | ||
| Gallagher has outshone Kanye. | ||
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Come on, Gallagher. | |
| R.I.P. | ||
| Unfortunately, there are some things here that can't be ignored. | ||
| The fact is that Trump has announced that he's running in 2024. | ||
| The fact is that Ye has claimed that he's running in 2024, in the middle of a series of public appearances where he seems to be becoming increasingly comfortable in his place as a public anti-Semite. | ||
| Amidst that, he's attached himself to Nick Fuentes and Milo Yiannopoulos, who are only going to push him further down that road to serve their own purposes, and Trump had dinner with Ye, who brought his crew along. | ||
| I don't think that dinner is something that should be ignored, but I think that the least meaningful way to cover it is to have a freewheeling interview with Ye, Milo, and Nick, like Tim Poole decided he was going to do. | ||
| If you're trying to get to the bottom of what happened, do some reporting on it. | ||
| Maybe try to find a source in the staff at Mar-a-Lago who was there and maybe could tell you an unbiased outsider opinion. | ||
| Nick and Milo are not reliable sources, particularly about things that have to do with themselves, and I think Tim knew full well what he was getting with Ye. | ||
| As we've said a number of times about people like Rogan, booking guests is an editorial decision in and of itself. | ||
| When you're inviting on people like this and you're not fully prepared to have a very confrontational interview, you're having them on to promote them. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| One of the only things that Tim even said about Fuentes was defending him from accusations of being a white supremacist because he's working with Ye. | ||
| There was no acknowledgement that within the last month, Nick has called for the expulsion of Jews from the country. | ||
| And that wasn't a, like, what he was doing was like a, how could you be racist if you have a black friend level defense of Nick? | ||
| Like, it's ridiculous. | ||
| That is a choice. | ||
| And it's Tim showing deference to these creeps because his goal never was to provide meaningful pushback to the toxic ideas that they're responsible for spreading. | ||
| We do have to acknowledge that this is happening, whether we like it or not. | ||
| It very well may end up being the case that Ye doesn't actually make it to running for president, and even if he does, it seems like he'd have to run as a third-party candidate, so he may not even have to appear in debates. | ||
| So the idea of him not being able to stand up to a debate might even be fucking irrelevant. | ||
| But even if he doesn't make it to primary season, there is a reason to take this seriously. | ||
| Many of them are matters for experts in other fields to discuss, but from my standpoint... | ||
| Many of these roads lead back to Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Being involved in this will give him a higher-profile campaign experience and bring him into even closer contact with whatever political figures end up supporting Ye. | ||
| In the same way that vanity candidates use campaigns to sell books, Nick can use this to network and raise his stature within other right-wing spaces. | ||
| This isn't a campaign that's destined or even intended to succeed. | ||
| This is a design of pure accelerationism, where a gigantic star that the media can't ignore is used to bullhorn the talking points of people who are easy to ignore. | ||
| The goal isn't to win. | ||
| It isn't even to help a conservative or Republican win. | ||
| It's to take over the right wing. | ||
| Anyone paying attention saw how easy it was to get the entirety of the GOP power structure to fall in line with Trump. | ||
| And they have to have realized that that wasn't like an isolated. | ||
| event that wasn't going to happen again. | ||
| If someone were able to command a similar amount of cult of personality and promise these GOP leaders the things they want, they will become yay Republicans overnight. | ||
| It was dramatic how quickly that happened. | ||
| Never, ever underestimate the cravenness of politicians. | ||
| The goal is primarily to move the party, the GOP, further into the extreme right wing. | ||
| And as such, I think it's now time that we need to step up to the plate and take on some of this stuff. | ||
| I've shied away from coverages. | ||
| I'm going to reconsider that in terms of broadening our Wacky Wednesday crew to include some of these other characters. | ||
| And one of the highest priorities, I believe, is Nick Fuentes. | ||
| It's very easy just to call Nick a racist and an anti-Semite, and that's all good and well. | ||
| And I don't think I would disagree. | ||
| But from my taste, I want a fuller picture. | ||
| So today, what we're going to do is we're going to jump in and cover an episode of Nick's show, America First, from just before he made his big splash into the Nazi-adjacent big leagues on August 11th, 2017. | ||
| This is just before he would attend the Unite the Right rally, after which he dropped out of college and really committed himself to streaming racist shit from his parents' basement. | ||
| So at this point, his show is being aired on the Right Side Broadcasting Network, and, you know, he's an 18-year-old boy that is a real shithead. | ||
| But, even in this nascent state, you can hear basically... | ||
| Very much the underpinnings of the ideas that I believe he's still carrying out, and some of it I think applies to his behavior vis-a-vis gay. | ||
| So I'm sorry, Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I'm stoked. | ||
| I can tell the sincerity. | ||
| Nothing I wanted more than to listen to an 18-year-old white nationalist tell me things. | ||
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| Great. | ||
| So here he announces that he's going to Charlottesville. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| First order of business. | ||
| I will be at Unite the Right. | ||
| Finally, I made the accommodations. | ||
| I made it happen, folks. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I know a lot of people kept asking me over the weekend and this week. | ||
| They were saying, Nick, are you going to be at Unite the Right? | ||
| I hope I'll see you at Unite the Right. | ||
| Are you coming down to Charlottesville? | ||
| I will be there. | ||
| I will be there to rally the troops, rally with the people. | ||
| So he's going. | ||
| And we all know how that went. | ||
| Yeah, it went great. | ||
| Everybody was united. | ||
| Not just the right, but the whole world. | ||
| It was like Hands Across America. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| So, Nick has some interesting thoughts, actually, about this rally itself. | ||
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| And that he is suspicious of it. | ||
| Because it is a honeypot meant to trap conservatives. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Yeah, I knew it. | ||
| I am a little bit worried. | ||
| As much as I am excited to go and meet people of like mind, people that know what's going on, people that are not dumb and are in the matrix and on the blue pill, people that we can talk about how we're going to fix the country, fix the demographics. | ||
| As excited as I am for all of that, I'm nervous. | ||
| And this was a little bit of a shower thought today. | ||
| You're going to have all the top guys, the top brass, all the tin pot soldiers, if you will, that are going to be there. | ||
| All the main guys from the white nationalist alt-right, fringe right, I don't know. | ||
| what you'd want to call it, but this new faction that's emerging. | ||
| Obviously, there's a lot of facts. | ||
| The same old section that sort of goes with the territory. | ||
| The white national talking about unite the right that you have all different groups. | ||
| Come together. | ||
| I sort of thought it's kind of like in that movie and glorious bastards, which. | ||
| I watched it, I liked it for a long time, and then I hit the red pill, and now I hate it. | ||
| And now I really hate it, for obvious reasons. | ||
| But in Glorious Bastards, the end of the movie, they get all the Nazis in one place, and then they blow them all up. | ||
| And they shoot them all, and they kill them all. | ||
| And I'm thinking, you know, that's sort of like pornography, basically, for the social justice warrior, for the communist, for, you know, people of color, whatever. | ||
| I'm thinking, is that not exactly what we're doing with Unite the Right? | ||
| Is let's put... | ||
| Every important person in our movement in one place, and everyone sees us as a threat to civilization. | ||
| I mean, isn't that kind of worrisome? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I hope I'm not concerning people. | ||
| I'm still going to go. | ||
| You know, you can't live your life in fear, but you think of it that Kessler, Enoch, Spencer, James Alsop, Baked Alaska, I mean, like, everyone's going to be there. | ||
| Sam Hyde, Lauren Southern, people from Rebel Media are going to be there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is that a great idea? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who thought it'd be a great idea? | ||
| Like, hey, let's all go to Lee Park. | ||
| Everyone thinks we're Nazis and bigots, and let's just go in the middle of an open field, all the important people. | ||
| Look, I understand the importance of rallying the troops, building the morale, uniting the right. | ||
| That's why I'm going, but I am a little worried about that part of it, that you might get some... | ||
| Some nutjob, some Travis Bickle LARPer down there with some bad intentions and some bad ideas. | ||
| Wasn't a nutjob. | ||
| It's interesting, his perception. | ||
| And that is, like, well, I mean, what better place? | ||
| I identify with the Nazis in that movie. | ||
| Well, I mean, he doesn't like it for obvious reasons. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think it is obvious, actually. | ||
| I think it's very, very, very obvious that you think that we are getting all the Nazis together, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're one of them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I mean, he's talking about this new faction that's coming together, and he's like, the white nationalists. | ||
| You recognize that this is a large part of this group that you are uniting. | ||
| It's not like we call you that. | ||
| You are that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You get it. | ||
| Even you get it. | ||
| It's interesting, his, like, oh, then maybe some nutjob will, but, like, I mean, you don't understand the movie if you think it's just some nutjob. | ||
| There was a war and Hitler was there, so, hooray! | ||
| That was kind of the point. | ||
| I mean, if your argument is that this is a lot like that, I think you're saying a lot too much. | ||
| I think you might be arguing the wrong point. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| So, they're portrayed as dangerous. | ||
| These, um... | ||
| No, they are dangerous. | ||
| Remember the Unite the Right rally that happened literally immediately following this? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| And that's why it's a little ironic. | ||
| We're portrayed in the media as the dangerous ones, the violent ones. | ||
| We're the only people... | ||
| In the world that can't advocate for our own interests without it being dangerous. | ||
| Like, you go to a Black Lives Matter rally and you're not in danger of getting killed by white people. | ||
| You may be in danger of getting killed by some people. | ||
| Yes you are! | ||
| White supremacists or Klansmen. | ||
| If you go to a Palestinian rally... | ||
| There's no danger of you getting killed. | ||
| If you go to a pro-Zionist ballot, there's no danger of you getting killed. | ||
| Nobody revokes your permits, deletes your event page on Facebook, denies you service in Airbnb and Uber. | ||
| That doesn't happen. | ||
| Only happens with white people, right? | ||
| Only when we say, we don't want to be exterminated, we're the only ones getting denied service, revoked, events canceled on Facebook. | ||
| And threat of being murdered by people, and that's just fine. | ||
| That's just acceptable, right? | ||
| Not anymore, folks. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the rally that he's promoting going to, Heather Heyer was murdered at that rally, hit by a car driven by a white identity extremist. | ||
| Additionally, DeAndre Harris was brutally beaten by four rally attendees who went to prison for it. | ||
| And, I mean, we could litigate all of the violence and, you know... | ||
| People who have died at various rallies, but I don't think Nick would like that. | ||
| I don't think that would be a good use of his time. | ||
| And that's why, you know, he's just... | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| This is really uncomfortable just because he's 18, you know? | ||
| Like, this is the type of shit that an 18-year-old would fucking say to be edgy or some dumb shit like that. | ||
| And then people would intervene. | ||
| Adults would exist. | ||
| But instead, he's surrounded by adults who are like, fuck yeah, dude, go on, be more white supremacists. | ||
| And here's the money to do it. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Let's give you a million dollars also. | ||
| Yeah, it's unfortunate in some ways, even for him. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Because I think that a lot of people, when they're 17, 18, 19, even into your 20s, If you are held to that for the rest of your life, it's not necessarily fair. | ||
| But the state that we are in, this is the same person. | ||
| He is not like, well, maybe he's refined some things. | ||
| Maybe he would speak about things a little bit more savvily than he did in 2017. | ||
| Primarily, it's not like, oh, I'm embarrassed to look back on myself because I wore too many... | ||
| Help me. | ||
| Items of flair. | ||
| Clothing styles. | ||
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| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, acid-washed jeans. | ||
| Yeah, I was trying to think of something benign in pop culture. | ||
| Pet rocks. | ||
| I don't know what you need from me. | ||
| I'm here for you. | ||
| So, one of the things that Nick does on his show is he goes over the news of the day. | ||
| And apparently the big news around this time is that Google memo, James Damore had written that memo. | ||
| Oh, I remember that, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but how maybe women biologically aren't meant to be in these fields and stuff. | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| Right, so that's the big news. | ||
| People have big opinions. | ||
| And Nick has a take on this. | ||
| And then, of course, we're talking about this Google thing. | ||
| You know, I didn't talk about this a whole lot. | ||
| Because it was very basic. | ||
| It was a very basic subject. | ||
| It was a very basic topic to talk about. | ||
| It was all your usual suspects, your usual free speech warriors. | ||
| Google fired someone for saying a contrary opinion. | ||
| Oh, that's against free speech. | ||
| As much as I like a lot of the personalities on the alt-right, the new right, that faction, it's just boring. | ||
| It's so bland to me because there's so many bigger things going on. | ||
| You know, like I was saying about the Unite the Right, when our people, when white people are being killed and discriminated against and we're under the threat of violence for advocating our interest and, you know, you have people that are in front of maps and things complaining about social media and all that, you know, you just got to think of your priorities. | ||
| Yeah, he's a high-minded bigot, you understand? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He's like, this is just sort of small potatoes. | ||
| You gotta look at the bigger picture. | ||
| Come on, be racist, but be ambitious about it. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I find it interesting that baked within these white people is a kind of ironic understanding of what it takes for you to be the oppressed party. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Right? | ||
| So they know what it is that oppression is. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And they know that it's not happening to them. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| On some level. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So it is a little bit like, I'm just... | ||
| Taking what behavior has been done and I'm pretending that it's happening to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Thereby, whatever it is that I'm justifying is justified to do to me. | ||
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| Like, they don't understand that concept. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty simple. | ||
| Well, they don't understand it. | ||
| You can't come out and say, my political objective is to make sure that my race is always in a position where we can assert authority in all situations. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, like, that is not really a good... | ||
| You're not gonna get a lot of people coming along and being like, hey, this sounds interesting. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Whereas if you present it this way... | ||
| It's euphemistic. | ||
| In the same way that a localization issue is a way that Tim can talk about anti-Semitism without actually being upfront about what this is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the same thing with Nick. | ||
| He's a salesman. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm just saying that if they understand the consequences of their own actions, then they have justified the consequences. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| So, one of the things that you need to understand about Nick, in terms of his prescriptive ideas about policy, and about the way society should be ordered, is that he is not necessarily somebody who is in the same camp as Alex, who believes in the Constitution and what have you. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| Because why would you? | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No one does. | ||
| Nick thinks that a lot of things that maybe are held sacred by liberalist societies, free societies, maybe they're fucking stupid. | ||
| He's going mask off. | ||
| For so long, we're told by the right wing that we should be libertarians. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That as long as there's no censorship, as long as there's no discrimination, as long as there's like a free market and there's free speech and there's a free and open society, that's good enough. | ||
| Right? | ||
| The conservatives say we should have a free press and we should have free enterprise and free speech and free assembly and free everything. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| And for a long time I was on that bandwagon. | ||
| I was on that train. | ||
| But you look at every instance of this, for example, the free enterprise. | ||
| You have all kinds of conservatives that are saying, well, you know, Google fired this guy for speaking out about obvious biological truths about men and women, but Google's a private company, they can do what they want, and there's nothing we can do about it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Google's a private company and so they're free to do it. | ||
| We may not agree with it, but that's their right. | ||
| And God bless the free market. | ||
| And I thought to myself, that is true in every institution where we have these dummies on the right, these dummy conservatives that all they advocate for is free openness, open freedom, whatever, libertine, libertarians. | ||
| And we always get screwed every time with everything. | ||
| Free enterprise doesn't really involve whether or not Google should have fired James Damore. | ||
| I understand that Nick wants a dictatorship, but that isn't really a coherent thought. | ||
| No, that one's not really there. | ||
| Also, Damore's memo is shit. | ||
| And even the National Labor Board found after an investigation that his firing was completely legal and appropriate. | ||
| He argues that there are innate biological traits that make women less employed in the tech field and at Google, and this had an effect of creating a hostile work environment for folks, and it wasn't protected. | ||
| Like, this isn't... | ||
| I don't know, but you get this revelation through discussing this story that like, no, fuck, there should be, the government should be controlling the economy. | ||
| They should step in and be like, no, fuck this. | ||
| But even in hiring and firing decisions about- Right, the government should have a choice. | ||
| All of this stuff, yes. | ||
| If Fuentes was dictator, then he would tell- Corporations who they can hire and fire. | ||
| Because that's a good system. | ||
| You can't fire people for creating a hostile work environment for a certain group of staff. | ||
| No, you do get to do that if you're a white man. | ||
| I've got a new rule that I think works perfectly. | ||
| You cannot talk to me about chromosomes unless you know what all of them do. | ||
| So if you're going to tell me there's a biological difference that you can pinpoint between an X and a Y, that's fine. | ||
| You also have to tell me about the other 24. Every single fucking one of them. | ||
| And if you don't know shit about the other 24, then shut the fuck up about the two you do know about. | ||
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How about that? | |
| Well, this one here is a librarian. | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| This one works in construction. | ||
| That's totally what I'm saying. | ||
| If that's your bullshit, then you better know them all. | ||
| This one is an artist. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But secretly as a trust fund. | ||
| How dare they all, the professionals. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what the chromosomes do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So shut the fuck up. | ||
| What are their jobs? | ||
| There's the ones that are like, oh, how much hair do you have? | ||
| I remember that one. | ||
| So in addition to not being into this free enterprise stuff, he is also not into free speech. | ||
| He does not think it matters. | ||
| Free speech. | ||
| You had all the college kids in Berkeley marching for free speech in the 60s. | ||
| Once they got in control of academia, no free speech for white people. | ||
| Free enterprise. | ||
| There's no discrimination allowed by the market because it's costly to a business. | ||
| We should open up the free markets. | ||
| You can only discriminate against white people in the marketplace now. | ||
| Freedom of the press. | ||
| We can talk about anything in the press as long as we get a free press. | ||
| We can have information and everything. | ||
| It's an information revolution with the internet. | ||
| Only people that are discriminated against, white people, once they take control of the institutions. | ||
| And who controls the institutions, folks? | ||
| Take a look. | ||
| Take a look at who controls them, right? | ||
| The globalists. | ||
| And I just think it's so funny that you have so many people, young people in particular, it baffles me, that are still championing this... | ||
| Hedonistic, ridiculous libertarian cause that only hurts our interests. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So one thing that is important to point out is that every time that Nick says globalists, he's smiling and doing like a little bit of a wink to the audience. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| We all know. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's debatable whether or not, or at least how consistently Alex is using that euphemistically for Jewish people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But with Nick, it is not. | ||
| It's pretty transparent that he's winking, you know what I'm talking about. | ||
| You know why I don't like inglorious bastards? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so if I was a fascist dictator, alright, I'm not giving a shit about hiring and firing people, whatever. | ||
| Not my job. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It seems like it would be tough to micromanage. | ||
| The only thing I'm doing is I'm going to create a, what I'm going to call it, a do-it-to-you camp. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, everything else, the government can do whatever they want, but this is my baby, alright? | ||
| And that's every time somebody's like, you know, like Fuentes, then he goes to the Do It To You camp. | ||
| And then all the things that he wants get done to him. | ||
| And then we figure it out, you know? | ||
| Then we'll see how he turns out on the other side of the maybe fascism is bad camp. | ||
| I don't know if I fully support either you becoming a dictator or this plan in particular. | ||
| But the second one really undercuts the first one. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So it's interesting to me the way that these assertions are just made and there's no evidence. | ||
| Or anything presented for, like, you can only have free speech for white people. | ||
| You can only hurt white people with free speech. | ||
| Only business you can be discriminatory against to white people. | ||
| It just seems like a whiner. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, it's that debate club, like, repeat the certain keywords that you need. | ||
| Who can happen? | ||
| White people. | ||
| And people who disagree don't really matter. | ||
| They're not your audience. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| People who... | ||
| Like, agree with this already, are the people you're hoping you suck in. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And generally speaking, if it's Right Side Broadcasting Network, it's a pretty good chance that that's who's going to be watching. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Nick has an interesting metaphor here about, I guess, the races. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| The wacky races? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Not wacky. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Think of it like this. | ||
| Think of it. | ||
| I've made the analogy on the show before. | ||
| It's like a soccer game, okay? | ||
| And one team, let's call it the color team, the black team, okay? | ||
| Well, you've already started wrong. | ||
| For the sake of example, black team is there playing soccer. | ||
| They wear black jerseys. | ||
| They don't play by the rules. | ||
| They pick the ball up with their hands, and they throw it in the net, and they only pass to each other. | ||
| They run into the middle of the field, they pick up the ball, and then they throw it in the net. | ||
| And then they take it out, and they throw it in the net. | ||
| And they're winning, they're just running up the scoreboard. | ||
| You know, you don't see high scores in soccer, because it's a ridiculous sport. | ||
| But you're seeing 100, 105, 200, because they're just picking it up and throwing it in the net. | ||
| They're not playing by the rules. | ||
| They're not playing ethically. | ||
| They're not playing fairly. | ||
| They're not playing by the rules. | ||
| They pick it up, they throw it in the net. | ||
| And let's just say, hypothetically, the other team, the white team, they're wearing white jerseys, they're just getting mad about it. | ||
| They're just sitting on the sidelines with their hands on their hips saying, hey, that's not fair. | ||
| That's not playing by the rules, black team. | ||
| You can't pick it up with your hands and throw it in the net. | ||
| That's not by the rules. | ||
| Look at our rulebook. | ||
| It goes against Article 1, Section whatever of the rulebook. | ||
| And you're not playing by the rules, and we're not going to let this happen. | ||
| And they sit there with their hands on their hips, and black teams just keep throwing it in the net, and they're running up the scoreboard, and white teams saying, hey, I don't like that so much. | ||
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Except... | |
| Here's the difference. | ||
| In the real world, it doesn't matter how you get the points. | ||
| It just matters that you get the points. | ||
| And the loser dies. | ||
| The loser is exterminated. | ||
| Once they get to a point where the black team gets a huge lead, black team just kills white team. | ||
| And that's basically the world we're living in. | ||
| I don't have to spell out the analogy, but that's basically it. | ||
| Which is, you have people on white team that are saying, let's do whatever it takes to win. | ||
| And then everyone else on the white team is saying, no, that's not fair. | ||
| We have to play by the rules. | ||
| We will not play until everyone plays by the rules. | ||
| And you understand what happens. | ||
| White team may have the rulebook. | ||
| White team may have played ethically. | ||
| They were so fair. | ||
| They were so moral. | ||
| They were so virtuous. | ||
| They talked about the universal brotherhood of soccer players and how it's all just about winning or losing. | ||
| It's about playing the game. | ||
| But then they all get killed in the parking lot. | ||
| Once everyone decides to go home. | ||
| And that's the world we live in. | ||
| That's the world we live in. | ||
| Let me try a soccer metaphor. | ||
| It's like, let's take one team, for the sake of argument, the white team. | ||
| Now, on this soccer pitch... | ||
| Let's say the white team has several hundred players. | ||
| Like Marcelo Balboa. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Tony Miola. | ||
| But I mean like littering the field. | ||
| Like from start to, they've got five people in goal, right? | ||
| And then the black team has about ten people, all right? | ||
| and then the white team steals the black team's parents'balls, takes those away from them, and then their grandparents'balls and takes those away from them. | ||
| So they've got all these millions of balls and they're just firing them at the goal. | ||
| But then the black team scores one goal and so the white team goes fucking apeshit and elects Trump to Well, it's interesting that neither of your metaphors really make sense in terms of soccer. | ||
| I would like to ask Nick some follow-up questions. | ||
| The first would be, what are the points in this metaphor? | ||
| Like, what does that stand for? | ||
| I believe literally rights. | ||
| I believe he's literally talking about rights. | ||
| Those are the points. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what he means. | ||
| Just win or lose. | ||
| So it's hard to really respond to his metaphor because they don't understand what the goals are. | ||
| I don't know what scoring means. | ||
| I don't know who the refs are. | ||
| Are there refs? | ||
| Because, I mean, like, you know... | ||
| If they were there, I would guess that they're just giving yellow and red cards to the white team, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they must. | ||
| Like Nick, because he speaks too much truth, he gets a yellow card. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| And I guess that means getting kicked off Twitter. | ||
| Maybe that's what the refs are. | ||
| Maybe the refs are like Jack. | ||
| See, I think he loses the metaphor at the end when he's like, and then everyone dies. | ||
| In the parking lot. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's the part where it's like, maybe your stakes are not about the game so much as you just want to kill everyone that you don't like. | ||
| No, because he's saying that... | ||
| They are going to be the subject of the killing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he's only saying that because he wants them to be the opposite of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because in his metaphor, there's only two teams. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And one of them is getting murdered in the parking lot. | ||
| And he is one of the members on the white team who's saying we shouldn't play by the rules. | ||
| No. | ||
| We should murder them at the parking lot. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Basically, yes. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not a good metaphor. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Doesn't work. | ||
| So anyway, I mentioned that Nick doesn't like free speech. | ||
| Ironic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the moral of the story, the teachable moment, is the free speech idea, the free speech spook, is an instrument. | ||
| It's not the ends in itself. | ||
| We use free speech as an argument, as a tool to further our own interests. | ||
| We use free speech to get these guys to play by their own rules, to hold themselves to the same standards. | ||
| But we're not after free speech in itself. | ||
| We're not after total and absolute freedom in itself. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Because every time that we do get this total and absolute freedom, we get certain groups of people that use it, and through unfair advantages and strategies, they climb to the top and use it to their own advantage. | ||
| We're talking about the globalists here. | ||
| That's why we have to play for our own team, finally, and that's what it comes down to. | ||
| With this Google thing, it teaches us that the argument is liberty, but not for liberty for the sake of itself. | ||
| Not in itself, not as it ends in itself, but to further our own interests. | ||
| This is a great moment to understand Nick a little bit better. | ||
| Don't for a second trust that something he's saying necessarily has to be sincere, because there's a very good chance that something he's pursuing is actually just a red herring, and he's... | ||
| Part of something else entirely, namely advancing his white identity agenda. | ||
| What Nick is doing is echoing the ideology of his forefathers, particularly George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party. | ||
| Rockwell would go to college campuses and cause a scene and gain free press coverage under the banner of free speech, but the goal was really spreading his Nazi ideas. | ||
| The free speech part isn't important to them at all, on the basis of it being a principle. | ||
| They would gladly crush the speech rights of people they didn't like were they in charge, but they know that they can cry free speech in order to Yeah. | ||
| were really more or less just radicalization points for anti-vaxxers to spread their ideology. | ||
| The far right has an internal awareness that their ideas are things that most people hate, so they need to Trojan horse them to people. | ||
| Presenting your ideas as they actually exist Yeah. | ||
| mask that your actual ideology hides behind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And Nick is pretty open about that. | |
| No, I mean, it's fun. | ||
| It's like a teen listening to all of the adults lie and going, well, I get what you're saying. | ||
| See? | ||
| I'm telling you what you're saying. | ||
| That's what you're saying. | ||
| Why aren't you saying it? | ||
| Like, it's very simple, honestly. | ||
| It's like, he's not coming up with ideas. | ||
| Well, no, not necessarily. | ||
| At this stage, I would not say that he's necessary, but he is demonstrating a pretty keen awareness of these Underlying tactics that people use to push people further right. | ||
| And he's articulating them in a way that is germane to and consistent with his behavior sense. | ||
| So that, I think, is worth understanding. | ||
| No, I mean, it's fucked up in a way because it's very clear that he sees through the bullshit. | ||
| It's just that he's mad about it. | ||
| Like, he's like... | ||
| Why are we lying all the time? | ||
| Can't we just tell people that we want to kill the ones we don't like? | ||
| Yeah, can't we just exert power with power? | ||
| Stop it with this charade of free speech. | ||
| Except he's not saying that. | ||
| He is saying we use these tools because we need to in order to get to the point where we can kill the people we don't like in the parking lot. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So... | ||
| No, I mean, that's the annoying part. | ||
| He clearly understands the strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he gets to talking a little bit about women in the workplace and what have you. | ||
| He's got some bad opinions on this. | ||
| What's the other 24 chromosomes do? | ||
| Conservative women, even. | ||
| And you try and tell them this. | ||
| Like, hey, you know, sweetheart, I know you feel really passionate about this because you want to get the attention of some Chad College Republican in the frat party. | ||
| But if you really want to save the country, if you want to... | ||
| Fulfill your moral obligation to your country and people, you should be getting married and having 10 or 15 children. | ||
| And you will be, by the way, that is no small order either. | ||
| You will be the backbone of the country, of the revolution, as a good mother. | ||
| But they all want to fight you on this. | ||
| Everyone wants to fight you on this and say, that's sexist, that's misogynistic, you can't say that. | ||
| That's just not realistic. | ||
| That's not with the times. | ||
| And everything's going so well, right? | ||
| It's totally fine if people choose to be homemakers, but the option to pursue whatever work they want is pretty critical to a free world. | ||
| Like, it's sexist or misogynist to say that women have to do that. | ||
| That's the point that people make. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| Not for nothing, a major element of Nazi propaganda involved women reproducing more white babies and how that was the cornerstone of building the Third Reich. | ||
| They gave an award called the Cross of Honor of the German Mother to women who had four or more children. | ||
| That's what Nick is hearkening to with this message, and it's pretty clear. | ||
| He goes on to talk a bit more about this later, too, just really strongly about his feelings about, like, you need to have seven children, then that's seven children who will also give birth to seven children that are all conservative. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's a little, I mean, first of all, it is hearkening back to that ideology. | ||
| It's a great replacement. | ||
| But second, it's also dumb. | ||
| I mean, because how many people do we know who have conservative parents who are quite liberal? | ||
| You know, there's no guarantee that just because you, even if you have a tightly controlled family system, that doesn't make it like... | ||
| No, and that's why it would be nice if everybody understood that when you try and implement the things that these right-wing people think will happen... | ||
| We get crazy, weird, unintended consequences that nobody understood or expected to happen. | ||
| Like, for instance, I don't know, say the COVID response being let her fucking rip from half of our goddamn country. | ||
| There's a lot of things that are unintended because they have terrible ideas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Nick believes that racism is all around him. | ||
| Against white people. | ||
| Yeah, I think he would believe that. | ||
| Yeah, and he decides that he's going to bring up a really prime example of this. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| And for everyone that doubts me on this, for people like my mom who doubt me on this, who think I'm some sort of racist bigot because I want my people to stay alive. | ||
| Mom, step in here. | ||
| Turn the show off. | ||
| Ground him from being racist. | ||
| And libertine is a word. | ||
| Look that up if you're not sure. | ||
| You think that's all fine and well, we just need to have an open press. | ||
| Do me a favor right now, if you're watching this show on YouTube, click on the top right, open a new tab in this window. | ||
| Open a new tab, go into Google, and I want you to Google for me, American inventors. | ||
| If you don't believe me, if you think I'm peddling fiction, as Barack Obama says, if you think I'm making this up, if you think I'm some white supremacist, some conspiracy theorist, I will demonstrate to you firsthand. | ||
| Click, open the new tab, and Google American Inventors. | ||
| Tell me who comes up. | ||
| Tell me who will come up in that Google search when you Google American Inventors. | ||
| Tell me, does Benjamin Franklin come up? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think Nikola Tesla might come up. | ||
| He might not. | ||
| I haven't checked in a while. | ||
| But what do just about every single one of the results that come up in Google have in common? | ||
| Gee, weird. | ||
| Was it their miraculous? | ||
| Was it their miraculous influential inventions? | ||
| No, that's not quite it. | ||
| They have George Washington Carver before they have Thomas Edison. | ||
| So, you know, that can't be it. | ||
| Gee, what could it be? | ||
| Who are they deliberately excluding from that search result? | ||
| Who are they deliberately revising history to exclude? | ||
| So just one thing, Tesla was born in Croatia. | ||
| I was going to say, Tesla's not an American. | ||
| Yeah, he lived in the U.S. and all, but I think he wouldn't necessarily be counted as an American inventor. | ||
| Especially not in Fuentes' eyes. | ||
| Well, yeah, for other reasons. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Maybe you would put him in that category. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's debatable whether or not you'd say he's an American inventor. | ||
| But the thing that Nick is concerned with is that he's white. | ||
| Anyway, Nick is going to Google inventors, and let's see. | ||
| He's going to do it on screen for us. | ||
| Yeah, so let's enjoy a little game of racism. | ||
| Why does everybody try and fucking Geraldo that safe, man? | ||
| It's a terrible idea. | ||
| It's not going to go well. | ||
| Well, I think that Nick is probably better at presentation than Owen is. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And so here's where he gets. | ||
| And who do we have? | ||
| George Washington Carver. | ||
| He's the first result. | ||
| When you think of American inventors, you think of George Washington Carver, right? | ||
| We eat peanuts! | ||
| Howard Latimer. | ||
| One of my favorites growing up. | ||
| Definitely a hero of mine. | ||
| Garrett Morgan. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Garrett Morgan. | ||
| I can't remember which one he invented. | ||
| Elijah McCoy. | ||
| Doesn't ring a bell. | ||
| Madam Walker. | ||
| Mmm, doesn't ring a bell. | ||
| Okay, so first five entries, I've heard of one of them. | ||
| Don't know any of their inventions. | ||
| Well, let's keep going. | ||
| Oh, finally, Thomas Edison, of course. | ||
| Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, like a hundred other things. | ||
| Probably one of the greatest inventors of all time. | ||
| Number six. | ||
| Ironic. | ||
| He's number six. | ||
| He's behind Elijah McCoy, Madam Walker, Garrett Morgan, Louis Latimer, George Washington Carver. | ||
| After Edison, you have Lonnie Johnson. | ||
| Oh, good old Lonnie Johnson, my friend. | ||
| Granville Woods. | ||
| Patricia Bath. | ||
| Jan Ernst. | ||
| Matt Zileiger. | ||
| And I'm going to have to scroll to the right. | ||
| Who else do we have? | ||
| Alexander Graham Bell. | ||
| Okay, finally. | ||
| So, we have in all of those entries, okay? | ||
| I mean, do you even want to start? | ||
| Every single one, black. | ||
| Two white guys. | ||
| And we got Edison and Graham Bell. | ||
| You think that's like a coincidence? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| I have no idea what list he's looking at, but I decided to play along with him. | ||
| And according to my Google results, I don't know if they've changed since 2017 or whatever, but the first names that come up are Thomas Edison, Samuel Morse, Robert Fulton, and Alexander Graham Bell. | ||
| All white dudes. | ||
| And then you have George Washington Carver. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know what list he's looking at, so I can't really respond to it specifically, but it seems like bullshit. | ||
| A larger issue is his blanket disregard and disrespect for black inventors. | ||
| He doesn't know who any of these people are, which makes the opposite argument than what I think Nick is intending. | ||
| Wouldn't that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one knows about these people, but what did they invent? | ||
| Garrett Morgan invented the traffic light and a smoke hood, which allowed firefighters to withstand smoke exposure and still be able to breathe. | ||
| Lewis Latimer worked for Edison and actually holds the patent for electric lamps. | ||
| He also invented one of the early forms of air conditioning. | ||
| Elijah McCoy invented the automatic lubricator for steam engines, essentially revolutionizing railroad travel, both in terms of civilian use as well as for commercial purposes. | ||
| Madam Walker is remembered as the first female self-made millionaire in U.S. history and developed hair care systems for black women. | ||
| Lonnie Johnson invented the Super Soaker, one of the best-selling toys of all time, and has worked developing tech while working at NASA as an engineer on spaceships. | ||
| Granville Woods invented automatic brakes, the steam boiler furnace, and a raft of other railroad-related things. | ||
| He is often called the Black Edison, but I guess Nick hasn't heard of him. | ||
| Patricia Bath invented things that improved cataract surgeries. | ||
| Jan Ernst invented the lasting machine, which allowed for greater and easier... | ||
| production of shoes, which previous to that was a severely complicated process that had to be done by hand. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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And it basically allowed for, I mean, all sorts of development of footwear. | |
| Right. | ||
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I mean, I have a bigger issue with this whole dumb train of thought, which is just like... | |
| Why are you... | ||
| Arbitrary-ass bullshit. | ||
| America, arbitrary, arbitrary. | ||
| It's only been... | ||
| Most stuff was invented in Asia from a thousand million years ago. | ||
| It doesn't matter who invented what, wherever. | ||
| Well, that's fine. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| White people didn't invent shit! | ||
| The end! | ||
| There's two things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One is that I think you just see a disregard and disrespect, like I said, of... | ||
| These figures of American invention history because they're black. | ||
| Nick finds them to be not important and not interesting or anything, and he feels that he can denigrate them. | ||
| Secondly, it's not about all this inventing stuff. | ||
| It's about the fact that Nick thinks that Google is trying to exclude white inventors as a racist plot. | ||
| If you're trying to aggregate the best search results... | ||
| Why don't you have Ben Franklin on there? | ||
| Why isn't Thomas Edison number one? | ||
| Why isn't Tesla there? | ||
| I can't think of a whole lot of inventors. | ||
| I'm not like a science guy, but even I know. | ||
| That's pretty ridiculous. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What's the agenda? | ||
| Who did that? | ||
| Who working behind the scenes programmed that? | ||
| This thing doesn't just happen by itself, right? | ||
| That is not an organic search result. | ||
| Someone went in there and they changed it. | ||
| And why did they change it? | ||
| Why was that allowed? | ||
| Who let that happen? | ||
| For what purpose? | ||
| Is that going to make Google more money? | ||
| As the free market capitalists tell us? | ||
| Nah, nah, nah. | ||
| It's going to hurt white people's feelings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This reminds me of, I can't remember who said it, it was the Reconstruction era quote of like, if you convince... | ||
| The poorest white man that he's richer than a black king, then you've got him forever. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| And it's like, it is such that, just like, oh, who the fuck is this? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Oh, they saved a billion lives and I'm just a piece of shit yelling about how I'm racist on air? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Weird how great I am, this person. | ||
| Oh, you saved lives. | ||
| Why does Google tell me about people who saved lives? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got racism to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we know from Alex's talk that the New World Order, it exists. | ||
| And it's a very scary thing. | ||
| And George H.W. Bush is the leader of it because he used the words New World Order in a speech. | ||
| Here's Nick. | ||
| And it's going to be a showdown in the Pacific, ultimately between the two great powers, emerging great powers, which are China and the United States. | ||
| Yet to be seen how that one will resolve. | ||
| This is the first test, I think. | ||
| In a much broader, more long-term sense, for the U.S. and China's relationship going forward, how that power dynamic will work in a world order in the 21st century. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, is there a world order that's developing in the 21st century? | ||
| Would there be a new state of a world order? | ||
| Well, I mean, it is different. | ||
| It's confirmed. | ||
| It is different. | ||
| Nick is the head of the new world order. | ||
| From the previous order, yes. | ||
| There was an order in the past, and that order is no longer the same order as current. | ||
| So one could argue, yes, it is new. | ||
| Such stupid shit. | ||
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| Anyway, there's a discussion here of... | ||
| The sort of crypto strategy that Nick employs in order to push his ideas. | ||
| And this is part of, towards the end of his episode, he takes questions from the audience. | ||
| And some of these questions end up revealing a fair amount. | ||
| And I think that you make a great observation earlier about how he's just a teen explaining what these people do. | ||
| And that's basically what happens. | ||
| And Navicat asks, do you think it's not more productive to lay low and infiltrate from within rather than go full red pill? | ||
| Well, I haven't gone full red pill just yet, if you haven't noticed. | ||
| I mean, I've been using some words, some analogies that aren't quite there. | ||
| I have, but I'm not, is what I'm trying to say. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's just it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm a liar. | ||
| It's difficult for me to lay low and infiltrate without going full red pill only because you really can't make the argument without the truth. | ||
| And in order to lay low, you can't tell the truth. | ||
| So you argue with people about immigration, and at a certain point you can't argue about culture, right? | ||
| At a certain point it becomes very difficult to say, well, we don't want immigration because of downward pressure on low-wage work, low-skilled work and their wages. | ||
| It gets very difficult at a certain point to not make the whole case, not make the full case with everything we know, with the truths that you can't talk about. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I'm feeling it out. | ||
| I think... | ||
| It's a lot of improvisation. | ||
| I don't think the long-term grand plan, I don't think that's really feasible. | ||
| I don't think that's viable. | ||
| But I'm trying to feel it out. | ||
| And what I'm really trying to do, I think, is ultimately we're going to have to take the red pill. | ||
| Ultimately, that will happen. | ||
| I'm just trying to, I think, take as many people with me as possible as I go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Pretty clear. | ||
| I feel like that clip should be played for the American public, like, constantly. | ||
| Just nonstop, followed by me saying, a teenager figured it out, you idiots. | ||
| A fucking teen! | ||
| He's 18! | ||
| Look at this idiot! | ||
| Come on, you fucking morons. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| Just play it again. | ||
| Play it again? | ||
| I'm gonna say it again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, like, falling in with him means that you are either being tricked by him or you get it too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And you're gleefully going along with this. | ||
| I want a non-stop PSA run. | ||
| I want my own channel where I just play this clip and I go, see? | ||
| See? | ||
| So there's more strategic talk here, and I do think it is, you know, I mean, you just have more content for your loop, quite frankly. | ||
| Navicat asks, Nick, do you think it is wise to go full white nationalism rather than to take it slowly, infiltrate the system from within, and then promote nationalism when you actually have power? | ||
| No, I think it's ill-advised, and I say that with experience. | ||
| I'll tell you a little anecdote, if you guys weren't here last week. | ||
| When I went to the job training in D.C., I went to a job training to work for a do tank, a certain do tank, a think tank. | ||
| And I was in the job training for it, and I was disqualified on my first day. | ||
| Disqualified on my first day. | ||
| It was like a two-week job training to be a field representative. | ||
| Pretty benign, pretty simple position. | ||
| And this was a think tank that's pretty much like an umbrella group. | ||
| It's a big tent group where they have a lot of people in there. | ||
| I know people in there that agree with me on a lot of things. | ||
| I know people that agree with me on a lot of things. | ||
| It's a big tent group. | ||
| They have people, libertarians, conservatives, paleocons, all kinds of people. | ||
| No, I go there to get the job to be a field representative in Wisconsin, and I was disqualified on day one by this dopey girl named Ivy from Lebanon because I said I wanted to protect my people because I was against immigration. | ||
| Now, immigration is a conservative issue. | ||
| To be against illegal and to some extent legal immigration, that's the policy of our president. | ||
| That's the policy of our party. | ||
| So subtle. | ||
| And yet I get disqualified from even getting an entry-level job at this conservative Big Ten think tank because I said I was against immigration because I wanted to protect my people. | ||
| And you realize two things. | ||
| Number one, it's very difficult to hide. | ||
| You have to basically go completely dark, completely normie. | ||
| And at that point, I think you're doing a lot of harm rather than good. | ||
| At the same time, you think you're getting big, you think you're infiltrating, you think you're growing your base, you're growing independent, but the minute that you go a little bit further to the right, the minute that you go off your script, the minute that you go away from what your character that they built you up to be, you lose everything. | ||
| You lose your money, you lose your funding, you lose your connections, you lose a lot of your audience. | ||
| Like imagine, for example, imagine if Bill O 'Reilly. | ||
| If he was still on television and he said, I don't know, some kind of white nationalist talking point, he would be fired. | ||
| He would be fired and a lot of people would stop watching him and following him. | ||
| And he would stop making money and they would make sure he never had a voice. | ||
| He would be blacklisted. | ||
| They would smear his name, run his name through the mud everywhere. | ||
| And he would be like the new David Duke. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If you're doing it from the beginning as sort of controversial, as sort of on the fringe and not totally fitting in the mainstream, that's expected and it grows a little bit more organically. | ||
| It's not that much of a shock. | ||
| You build your own connections. | ||
| You build your own infrastructure. | ||
| Beyond that, I think the time is right. | ||
| I think the time is right. | ||
| The money is there. | ||
| The support is there. | ||
| The infrastructure is there where we can really give it a shot. | ||
| And I'm definitely not a white nationalist. | ||
| Because if you're a white nationalist, that's the same thing as a white supremacist. | ||
| So do not ever call me. | ||
| Don't let me in with the actual Nazis. | ||
| Good save there. | ||
| Good save at the end. | ||
| Is reincarnation real? | ||
| Because I think Henry Ford is alive again. | ||
| I'm concerned that Henry Ford is back, baby. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, or George Wallace. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| Segregation now! | ||
| Segregation later! | ||
| I think, though, that, like, some of that, some of the ability to articulate some of this stuff and somehow it not be, like, completely destructive to his ability to exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And, you know, some of these folks are kind of boring in the sense that they do appear to be out to scam. | ||
| Tim Pool, I don't think he has any kind of moral center or any ideological center. | ||
| He's doing things that are advantageous and expedient for him to get the most views on YouTube. | ||
| He's got a billboard in front of him. | ||
| And a beanie. | ||
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| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I think that there are people like Steven Crowder who push ideological things, obviously. | ||
| He has toxic and bad political positions that have an ideological bent to them, but I don't think he has an ideological center. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, and one of the things that differentiates Alex from, even from Owen Troyer, is that there does, there is a point of him that has a core to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, his Birchie beliefs that he was obsessed with and changed him as a teen, like, that is a part of his trajectory in his career. | ||
| And with Nick, that is there. | ||
| There is, like, that... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something. | ||
| No, what's annoying is that he understands, I mean, oddly enough, he understands how things work fairly well insofar as like us. | ||
| The manipulative game of it. | ||
| Well, and not just that, but I mean the doing of it as a job. | ||
| Like, with our show, we are beholden to our listeners. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's not like our advertisers can drop off if we say something wrong. | ||
| What'll happen is if we are dicks to our listeners, they'll be like, hey, stop being dicks to us, you know, like that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or they'll leave. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
| In the same way, that's what he's doing, only he doesn't understand that second part of being beholden to his listeners, to his followers, which I think is where he's starting to get now. | ||
| Because from what I've heard, he's starting to get pushback from the whole incel people for being, I don't know, someone who has occasionally thought about sex or not. | ||
| I don't even know which one it is. | ||
| Yeah, I don't caught too much into paying attention to that stuff about him not having sex or being... | ||
| Oh, I have no interest in it at all. | ||
| I think a lot of people do have interest in that. | ||
| I've seen a number of things on Twitter, and I think a lot of people fall for... | ||
| You know, maybe jokes and stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He is a figure that you have to take kind of carefully. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In terms of, like, you kind of just have to ignore some stuff and be like, alright, whatever, man. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because there is more important things that are being said that maybe aren't as flamboyant or as, you know, in the same way that I don't spend a whole lot of time concerning myself with Alex talking about gay frogs and shit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You know, there are other things. | ||
| Like, in the instance of Nick, this just clear understanding of, like, a way to launder white nationalism into other spaces. | ||
| And this thing where he's like, you know, I am not a white nationalist at the end. | ||
| Is such a very obvious way of saying I am, but I have to say that I'm not in a very winking way. | ||
| The question, if you'll remember, here, listen to what the question was. | ||
| Navigat asks, Nick, do you think it is wise to go full white nationalism rather than to take it slowly, infiltrate the system from within, and then promote nationalism when you actually have power? | ||
| No, I think... | ||
| I think it's ill-advised. | ||
| And his story that he tells is about himself going to try to get this entry-level position at a think tank where he says that he told this woman from Lebanon that he doesn't like immigration because he's trying to protect his people, which is his example of, I guess... | ||
| That's him toning it down to get a job. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| That's what I heard him, that's my understanding of the story, is that he was like, there's no point in even pretending to say that you're not a white nationalist, because even when I tried, I'm so white nationalist, when I thought I was... | ||
| Fucking watering it down. | ||
| It was still overflowing with white nationalism. | ||
| And even when you do this, if you succeed within this to bring about some kind of clout or notoriety to yourself, you have the potential for that to be taken away from you once you stray too far from the acceptable path. | ||
| And so the way to do it is to be upfront about a lot of stuff, be a complete fucking weirdo, take the lumps that come along with it, Marginalization, grow your shit to the point where, you know, you can avoid those pitfalls. | ||
| And that's basically the path that he's managed to walk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I do think there's one thing that he got wrong. | ||
| And that is that if Bill O 'Reilly said white nationalist things, I'm not sure he would be kicked off. | ||
| Especially not now. | ||
| I mean, yeah, not now for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| No, but I think that's exactly what is also concerning about only being beholden to your own audience in the same way that Alex was after, you know, after he was kicked off of it. | ||
| everything is that like also there is no stopping it only the audience can stop him at this point because nobody else can affect his audience you know yeah Yeah, I wonder. | ||
| It's just him and the audience. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| And, you know, with so many of these folks, the audience also includes, like, I don't know, billionaire donors who will send you eight million in crypto and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That is also an element of this that is a confounding factor of the beholdenness to the audience. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So, interestingly... | ||
| On this episode, coincidentally, Nick gets a question about Milo. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Other questions. | ||
| Owen, what are your thoughts on Milo? | ||
| I like... | ||
| I kind of like Milo. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm... | ||
| I'm sort of ambivalent about Milo. | ||
| I liked him for a long time because I thought he was funny and because you see him, like, causing happenings and it's cool and it's cool to see Antifa get mad and he makes people mad and I like that. | ||
| But, um, you know, he brags about... | ||
| The things he does, some of the more hedonistic alternative things he does, and it's very off-putting. | ||
| You know, Milo, he may bring people into the movement, which he does, and God bless him for that. | ||
| And he may be sharing a message which is a little bit alternative. | ||
| And, you know, he does give a fair hearing to certain people on the fringe far right. | ||
| But I think it is not wise to hold up someone who lives a lifestyle like that as your main guy. | ||
| And there's a lot of things that go into it. | ||
| It's not just that he's gay, but he brags about things I can't even talk about on the show because they're so vulgar and other forms of degeneracy. | ||
| He brags about the gay things he does. | ||
| I mean, that's on the loop. | ||
| That's on the loop. | ||
| Like, do you guys get it? | ||
| Do you not see? | ||
| It's all there! | ||
| This episode maybe should just be your loop. | ||
| It's just a loop, yeah. | ||
| And ooh, let's add this to the loop while we're at it. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| NotYafet asks, when are you going to go full red pill? | ||
| You will get even more followers. | ||
| Someday, when the time is ready, when the people are ready to receive the red pill, I will go full red pill. | ||
| But you have to sort of go with the tempo of time. | ||
| I mean, we can't really... | ||
| We can only set the tempo so much. | ||
| We have to work with what's happening in the country. | ||
| And, you know, I think the time is definitely right in Europe. | ||
| The time is right in the United Kingdom, in Germany, in Poland, in Italy. | ||
| When you see the European Union that's suing Italy to take in more migrants, certain things become definitely more viable for your everyday person. | ||
| Whereas in America, where people aren't seeing it, where you have 300 million people and you're not seeing the same kind of culture shock that you are in Europe, I don't think people are as susceptible to that sort of far, far right message. | ||
| So you may have... | ||
| You're extremely far-right progenitors of ideas and culture and propaganda, but you have to have people that can sort of be palatable to the mainstream to focus those ideas to make them viable on a mass market scale, to make them appealing for the mass market. | ||
| And that's the nature of politics. | ||
| I'm sorry, but it's not 1917, okay? | ||
| We can't be the Bolsheviks and take over the Capitol. | ||
| By accident, basically, with a few thousand people. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| It may happen. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If the economy collapses, it may happen. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| I think to a large extent, it's dependent on how can we make this viable for more people. | ||
| Very ironic that just a few years after this, he and his thousands of friends accidentally took over the Capitol. | ||
| I mean, just... | ||
| Just fucking... | ||
| I'm frustrated that we live in a simulation where this kind of shit keeps happening to us. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That's... | ||
| You know, I used to call you a witch, but now clearly you're just the architect of my fucking torment. | ||
| That must be what's going on, right? | ||
| I feel like if that was the case, I'd be taking more glee in this. | ||
| Whereas instead, it's frustrating for me, too. | ||
| I mean, I think you... | ||
| Much like Nick Fuentes, you have to lie about everything until you don't have to lie anymore. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Once the... | ||
| The people are ready to embrace this white nationalism. | ||
| Isn't that what he just said? | ||
| I'm going to lie until I don't have to. | ||
| Well, but there's also a strategic purpose to the lying, and that is to be somebody who is a little bit more palatable that is getting those seeds out there of this stuff. | ||
| And, I mean, quite honestly... | ||
| Whether consciously or not, that is also a fair description of what Tim Pool does. | ||
| I think that Nick is obviously far more aware and self-actualized about this. | ||
| But it is a description of a lot of people within this sphere of media figures. | ||
| It's that loop of just like, listen, this is how they launder bullshit. | ||
| He's 18! | ||
| He already figured it out years ago! | ||
| Years ago! | ||
| But see, that might be what makes him so kind of able to work. | ||
| No, he grasps the game so fast. | ||
| He's a born propagandist. | ||
| You gotta give it to him. | ||
| The man was born to lie to people. | ||
| That is just his skill. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that is also a part of, you know, what makes it... | ||
| Kind of disconcerting that he's here with Ye and Milo in this bizarre trio of folks who are pushing anti-Semitism. | ||
| He's only learned more since this point when he was 18, and it's not like he's expressing some strategy that he decided, I shouldn't pursue this. | ||
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| This is essentially, like, you can see the footprints of this moving forward through his career. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, on that Tim Pool interview, he should have been chomping a cigar going, I love it when a plan comes together. | ||
| Like, that is literally what's going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, we have one last clip here. | ||
| Colonel Johnson, or Josen, what do you think about the really good story that has rarely, if ever, been told? | ||
| The really good story that has rarely, if ever, been told? | ||
| A great story that hasn't been told. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about, okay? | ||
| A good story that's never been told. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think I may recall having heard of this once before. | ||
| The good story. | ||
| I am annoyed. | ||
| No, actually, I haven't. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| If I ever heard that story, it would be racist for me to hear that and think about it. | ||
| Can't do it, folks. | ||
| I'm gonna get in trouble for that. | ||
| Reg of Italian's gonna come after me for that. | ||
| For even knowing... | ||
| Isn't that crazy in this country? | ||
| If you know about something and you talk about something, you get in trouble as if you're, like, dedicated to it. | ||
| It's your whole life, like, because you mentioned something. | ||
| So The Greatest Story Never Told is a documentary that is arguably... | ||
| The most anti-Semitic thing that's ever been produced. | ||
| Maybe a little bit of a positive depiction of Hitler. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, Birth of the Nation Redux. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, this playing around and this dancing around is, you know, just a fun way to wink and be like, ah, I like this pro-Hitler thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because that is also part of the game. | ||
| Yeah, it's the most annoying part. | ||
| It's the most annoying part that you just laugh while you say the things you believe so you can later call it a joke. | ||
| It is annoying. | ||
| It is frustrating. | ||
| Because I like jokes. | ||
| We write jokes. | ||
| Jokes are good. | ||
| Jokes are fun. | ||
| Jokes are structured and they're meaningful. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| Sometimes you just talk and you say fart. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's pretty much what he's doing. | ||
| Fart, my man. | ||
| Fart, buddy. | ||
| So, yeah, we come to the end of this, and I guess, I think that there are some things. | ||
| Obviously, there's a different flavor to, like, an episode of America First than, like, an InfoWars episode. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There is less of an interest in acting out, perhaps, generally speaking. | ||
| But there's also a difference between this and Owen. | ||
| And I do think that while not as theatrical as Alex, per se, there is a different kind of competence as a host, even at 18, that you can tell from Nick. | ||
| And that makes it something that I do think that I feel like we should cover more of. | ||
| And I think we will. | ||
| I think we'll cover some more of this. | ||
| Until this plays its natural course, I do see this trio of weirdos as something that it does not deserve superficial sort of mocking or superficial analysis. | ||
| I think it is something that points to a big problem, and I... | ||
| I think that we can look at it and deconstruct stuff as best we can with the tools at our disposal. | ||
| But we are still going to talk about Alex and shit. | ||
| Don't be a concerned listener. | ||
| Yeah, if Nick and Owen were in the same contest, I think Alex would have been like, well, we obviously can't get the 18-year-old. | ||
| Let's just hire Owen. | ||
| Well, Owen wasn't in a contest. | ||
| He made videos. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| And I think that Nick probably wouldn't have done it. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| And he would have been right. | ||
| Nick wouldn't have gone along because he would have had to hide some of his crypto. | ||
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| We couldn't have gotten him. | ||
| Oh, the thing that I was thinking was when you put Nick and Owen in the same place and it just made me think of CPAC when Owen was kind of... | ||
| I don't know if he was dunked on, but Nick definitely took over that event. | ||
| Owned it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it seems like it would be... | ||
| Maybe negligent to not poke our nose in a little bit and see what's going on. | ||
| It's wise. | ||
| We'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| Bless you. | ||
| Indeed we will. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do! | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Jordan, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I've been working on a script. | ||
| You've been working on a script? | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| The one that you've been telling me about? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Okay. | ||
| It's basically my idea is I want to write the next great American novel, but as a script. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's going to be jokes. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| It's going to be a coming-of-age story. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A building's Roman. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| There's also going to be maybe a nerdy character who an attractive person falls in love with. | ||
| Oh, a nerdy best friend kind of thing? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I haven't figured that part out exactly. | ||
| Subverting expectations. | ||
| I'm open to criticisms, but see, I just need you to read. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's not a script! | ||
| That's the fucking WikiLeaks. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |