Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to last week to see how Infowars covered the Club Q shooting in Colorado Springs. Alex is out of studio, so Owen Shroyer handles hosting duties, and does a bad job all around. Also, Alex is definitely not mad about Elon Musk not letting him back on Twitter. Citations
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is we continue the 2022 serial adventures. | ||
| I have been made aware that there's a new Captain Crunch out there. | ||
| And when I heard about this, I said... | ||
| You're crazy for this one, Captain Crunch. | ||
| Uh-oh, what is it? | ||
| You're out there. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It is a chocolate caramel, Captain Crunch. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| No, how could it be? | ||
| It tastes bad, and also it tears your mouth into shreds, right? | ||
| Well, yeah, but the concept of it is, no one was asking for this. | ||
| No one was asking for that. | ||
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No! | |
| No. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's just, like, Cocoa Puffs, and then I guess the Captain Crunch pieces are, like, sort of caramel-ish, but they're not really, and I realized as I was eating it, if this was more caramel, it would be worse. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's my own fault. | ||
| I bought it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, it wasn't good. | ||
| But anyway, I appreciate the effort. | ||
| It's almost like what they should have done, if they were gonna do that, it's almost like what they should have done is gone with a caramel corn... | ||
| Kind of angle. | ||
| Now that's interesting. | ||
| Like a sweet corn kind of vibe? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You've got maybe a little chocolate dusting on some of them. | ||
| You've got maybe a little caramel coating on the others. | ||
| Like a popcorn situation. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it feels maybe a little more autumnal. | ||
| So maybe you have more of a seasonal thing to it. | ||
| Yeah, look. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We have notes. | ||
| I mean, why not just make it crab? | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| Captain Crunch is of the sea. | ||
| Barnacle flavored. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| I think that would be a genuinely interesting angle to take. | ||
| Weirdos. | ||
| Crab and Crunch. | ||
| Seawater flavored. | ||
| It makes your milk all salty and taste like brine. | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is... | ||
| I found out. | ||
| So some people texted me that Jordan Peele, being Jordan Peele fame, the quality of all the stuff he's worked, he put out a show called Quiet Part Loud. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah! | ||
| How funny is that? | ||
| He's ripping you off! | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's a horror podcast or something. | ||
| You've got to sue him! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| What's funny to me? | ||
| Is, because I didn't even think about this, but somebody texted me that, and then the other, no, two days ago, the thought occurred to me like, oh, oh, there had to have been people who accidentally found my book, based upon that. | ||
| Well, the Jordan and the name are the... | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There had to have been, so... | ||
| I imagine... | ||
| He might be higher in search results. | ||
| Oh, way higher. | ||
| Way higher. | ||
| What's funny to me about it, all right, is that I didn't pay for the analytics on the Squarespace or whatever, but it does show you if there's been a huge bump in traffic or not. | ||
| The day it was released, huge spike in traffic. | ||
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Then a bunch of people did accidentally find it. | |
| Now, whether or not they read it or downloaded it, that's another question. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| They could not have possibly, but it makes me laugh. | ||
| You made a lot of people say whoops. | ||
| I know! | ||
| That's what is so funny to me is they looked at that and they're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Wow, this is gonna, like, Jordan Peele's gonna sue this guy. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, Jordan Peele's got this guy on the ropes. | ||
| Well, congratulations on increased traffic. | ||
| No, that's not what I'm laughing at. | ||
| But yes, very funny. | ||
| So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We did not have an episode on Friday, although we did mean to, we did attempt to, and the situation was that Alex has been out of studio. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I was waiting for him to re-emerge. | ||
| Right, for a tea day special of some sort. | ||
| Yeah, but no, he stayed true to his word of not working. | ||
| Proud of him. | ||
| Yeah, so he took another vacation, was out of studio all week, and left Owen Troyer in charge of the ship. | ||
| And so that made things a little bit tough. | ||
| And now we arrive back here on Monday's episode, and Alex has still been out of studio, and And I decided that what we should do is go back and look at a little bit of the stuff that happened over the course of the, especially the beginning of the week. | ||
| And see the response to the Club Q shooting in Colorado Springs. | ||
| I feel like that is worth touching on and seeing how they covered it. | ||
| Even though it wasn't Alex himself, it was Owen Troyer who was leading the charge in the studio. | ||
| And so, yeah, that's what we're going to look at here. | ||
| We're going to talk a bit about November 20th and 21st. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| We're going to hear some Owen. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're going to get Shroid. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I'm doing the Shroids. | ||
| You're doing it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, if you do shroids, your testicles do shrink as well. | ||
| I'm having shroid rage. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm about to. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this, but Jordan, first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, you are not, nor will you ever be a policy wonk. | ||
| Nevertheless, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, Alex's motherfucking pauses sometimes make me think my Bluetooth speaker got unpaired from my phone. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I appreciate the motherfucking. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| It was interesting to work into the rhythm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next, smelly wee bucket of pooper. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, everyone in my gym thinks I'm insane because I listen to you whilst I'm working out and end up giggling nonstop. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| So you're a wilster. | ||
| Wilst. | ||
| You're a wilster. | ||
| Wilst. | ||
| And we've got a couple of technocrats here in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So first, ritualistic satanic barbecue sauce. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And I listened to 200 episodes in two months, and all I got was this lousy wonk drop. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little break now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken over here! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| Nah, probably not. | ||
| No, doubtful. | ||
| So, I'm going to start things off here with just a clip of the beginning of the November 20th show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the reason is... | ||
| We don't talk a lot about Owen, and the reason that I find him to be unpalatable to listen to, I think he sucks, I think he's bad, and I also think that he's kind of a knockoff. | ||
| Alex, he's doing a shoddy imitation of this person, and he doesn't understand what makes Alex compelling as an orator or as somebody who's speaking. | ||
| He lacks those things that make Alex fascinating. | ||
| There's a chaoticness to Alex, there's a confidence, there's an unpredictability that make, when he's saying things like, someone brought in donuts, stop it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I appreciate it. | ||
| Stuff like that is a chaoticness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Owen lacks that. | ||
| I mean, at the very least, Owen has no idiosyncrasies. | ||
| There is nothing that makes Owen unique in any kind of respect. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| And if there is anything, it feels very contrived. | ||
| If there's anything that's idiosyncratic about him, it feels like, oh, this is me signaling to the right-wing troll base or whatever. | ||
| There's nothing organically Owen other than a meh kind of snark that's kind of generic. | ||
| And then an Alex impression. | ||
| And so when you begin the show, I mean, this is really just an Alex impression as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, here we are on this Sunday, November 20th, 2022. | ||
| An incredible time, a historic time in American history and in world history as the future of humanity is on the precipice. | ||
| And will either fall into a corporate, global tyranny with endless digital bureaucracy, soulless, faceless, spiritless, that you're trapped in forever. | ||
| A government intervening in every breath you take and every step you make. | ||
| This is what we must stand against because we are not slaves. | ||
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We are not animals. | |
| We are human beings made in the image of the creator destined to be free. | ||
| And that's why you're in the audience. | ||
| And that's why you're joining us here this evening. | ||
| Now, let me tell you what's coming up tonight. | ||
| One of the things that Alex does constantly is these dramatic monologues over the intro music. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| You've said that it's one of the only things that perhaps you could unqualifiedly say he's good at. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He is good at ramping up some kind of an artificial sense of drama, and now the humanity stands poised. | ||
| Like, there is something that, even though you know it's fake and it's... | ||
| Dumb and it's meaningless, there's still something... | ||
| It's like, there's a dramatic tension to this. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's that old quote of, like, there's nothing better than authenticity or whatever. | ||
| Once you can fake that, you've got it made. | ||
| You know, like, that kind of idea. | ||
| And Alex can fake... | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| That was a good old TJ. | ||
| But Alex can fake that authenticity and Owen is so transparently just like a pathetic puppet. | ||
| But again, even in that faking the authenticity, he's faking the fake version that Alex does. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| Boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, alright, alright kid. | ||
| Get your own style. | ||
| It reminds me of when I was starting out in comedy. | ||
| All the Kyle Kinane impressions? | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| It was either, there was a Kyle Kinane, there was a Mitch Hedberg, there was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there were all those people who were starting out who were just doing impressions of, and everybody starts out. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of people who have distinctive deliveries and it's hard not to, like, Be your influences. | ||
| Yeah, you get caught in that kind of vibe, and then if you don't break out, you should stop forever. | ||
| It's that kind of thing. | ||
| If you don't develop your own voice... | ||
| Quit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there isn't a whole lot going on here outside of a Canadian impression, metaphorically. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, on the evening of November 19th, a 22-year-old named Anderson Aldrich entered Club Q, an LGBTQ club in Colorado Springs, and opened fire. | ||
| They killed five people and 25 others were injured in the attack. | ||
| This story is first and foremost a tragedy, and another sign of the rising tide of anti-LGBTQ violence, in no small part facilitated and encouraged by modern right-wing media that accuses all members of that community of being pedophiles who are out to groom your children. | ||
| Alex and everyone at InfoWars is complicit in that trend, and the natural endpoint of promoting and normalizing that mentality is that some people who internalize it and accept it as truth may be inspired to take matters into their own hands. | ||
| Beyond being a tragedy, this case is also a complete fucking mess. | ||
| The accused shooter Aldrich is the grandson of a right-wing California politician who supported the January 6th riots and is the son of a very homophobic former porn star who went by the name Dick Delaware, who also appeared on an episode of Intervention because he was addicted to meth. | ||
| To complicate matters even further, Aldrich lawyers have claimed that Aldrich is non-binary and wants to be referred to with they-them pronouns, which has caused a lot of varying reactions from people. | ||
| The prevailing attitude people seem to have is that this is a ploy to dodge potential hate crime penalties in the case since they'd never spoken about this prior and they were known to routinely use anti-LGBTQ slurs. | ||
| People were very shocked to see an interview with their dad where he expressed his surprise hearing his son was involved in an incident at a gay bar, not because five people were murdered, but because he was concerned that his son was gay. | ||
| It's really awful to see, but in the interview, he also says that he hasn't been in Aldrich's life for over a decade, and he doesn't come off as a very sober interview subject. | ||
| Even though he hasn't been in his son's life, he does say that he raised his child to know that being gay is wrong, and that fighting is the answer to conflict. | ||
| He seems like a shit influence, even though he's very clear that he's talking about hand-to-hand Good distinction. | ||
| Great. | ||
| On top of all this, Aldrich's mother called the police after Aldrich made a bomb threat targeted at her, but as is too often the case, charges weren't pressed, and Aldrich was able to keep his guns. | ||
| I do believe that Aldrich could have made that bomb threat, but also, the mom is not a great source of information either. | ||
| From an article in CNN. | ||
| In 2009, Aldrich's mother received three years of probation for convictions of public intoxication and falsely reporting a crime to the police. | ||
| The false report conviction stemmed from a 2008 incident in Maretta, California, in which police responded to a reported home invasion and found Vopal lying on her bed with her hands and legs bound with duct tape. | ||
| Vopelt initially told the police a man had put string around her neck, bound her with tape, and placed a knife on her chest. | ||
| She admitted the following day, however, that she had been under the influence of narcotics and fabricated the incident because, quote, she was lonely and wanted attention, a police report states. | ||
| All of this just completely makes me feel ill, and at the end of the day, I feel terrible for what Aldrich clearly had to live with growing up, but that doesn't really matter anymore. | ||
| People who have had more difficult I just want to send all the love and support I can to the survivors and friends and families of those lost in Colorado Springs, as well as all of our LGBTQ family. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| It was somewhat convenient that Alex was out of studio last week, because that meant that we didn't have to talk about his coverage of the shooting. | ||
| But I think that it's actually important to loop back and take a look at this. | ||
| My reasoning takes into account a few things. | ||
| The first is that it's relevant to understand Infowars' angle on this story. | ||
| The second is something that I thought was a little bit more compelling, which is that the right-wing media's coverage of this attack has been indefensible, in a way that I think does feel a lot different for a lot of folks than other times in the past. | ||
| For instance, Tim Pool took to Twitter to rationalize the shooting as the natural reaction to the idea that Club Q had a, quote, grooming event, which is the way he characterized a drag brunch the club was hosting. | ||
| He had a sickening take that legislation needed to be passed and police needed to stop events like all-age drag brunches from happening, but because that wasn't happening, it only makes sense that people would try to solve the problem with violence. | ||
| In this clip where he's trying to be like a piece of shit troll, I noticed that he slipped a little bit. | ||
| Now, he's just trolling as a whole with this question that he's presenting. | ||
| It's not a sincere question, but see if you can notice where he slips up a little bit. | ||
| A bunch of goddamn pedophiles are grooming children, and when we're like, hey, stop associating all LGBT people with groomers, y 'all keep fucking doing it! | ||
| So here's what happened. | ||
| I tweeted. | ||
| If you claim that groomer refers to all LGBT people, then you are calling all LGBT people groomers and you are inciting violence against them. | ||
| Stop inciting violence against them. | ||
| For one, he knows damn well that right-wing figures use the term groomer as a catch-all for their anti-LGBTQ bigotry. | ||
| It's a cute game he's playing here, but in order to take it seriously, you'd have to imagine that Tim has never talked to or listened to any of the people who come onto his show as guests. | ||
| The slip-up I was talking about is that he says LGBTQ. | ||
| He says that because he hangs out with a community of people who use that term to imply that pedophiles are an inherent part of and distinct group within the LGBTQ community. | ||
| It's a hard slip-up to make, too, because it requires him to pronounce the P sound twice in a row, which he did to say LGBTQ people. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's a little bit telling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Matt Walsh is another figure that has decided to dip his toes into the waters of justifying mass murder because of his own prejudice. | ||
| He put out a video on YouTube where he said, quote, Is it that hard to not cross-dress in front of kids? | ||
| Is the compulsion that overwhelming? | ||
| If it's causing this much chaos and violence, why do you insist on continuing to do it? | ||
| The trend among these figures is that they've decided to push the idea that the shooting, while probably unfortunate, is justifiable because drag brunches exist. | ||
| They paint the picture that the drag brunch is what's causing the violence, and if these LGBTQ folks would just agree to exist in the constrictive boundaries that the right-wing extremist figures in the media demand, then the violence would stop. | ||
| This behavior is legitimately very difficult for me to distinguish from making veiled terrorist threats. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| It's not even a sincere point that someone like Matt Walsh is making, and it all makes me completely sick. | ||
| The types of reactions that we see from these ostensibly more mainstream figures are the sort of things you'd usually normally just hear in places like InfoWars, but now Daily Wire pundits and Tucker Carlson are walking all the way up to the InfoWars line and debatably crossing it. | ||
| As such, I felt it would be helpful to accurately get a sense of what InfoWars coverage consisted of in the aftermath. | ||
| This episode that we're going to be covering here, it starts with November 20th, the day after the shooting, when Owen was filling in for Alex. | ||
| This is a Sunday show, so it begins at 4 p.m. Central, which means there's no reason for them not to be aware of a lot of the primary details by the time Owen gets on air. | ||
| You know, you look mad. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| By their own logic, then it's fine to murder them. | ||
| Like, I don't even know how you can say that without recognizing that if you are yourself the cause of violence, then LGBTQ people can murder you based upon your own dumb fucking argument. | ||
| So I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, but I also think that it's important to recognize this isn't a sincere argument they're making. | ||
| I mean, I don't care. | ||
| Because it is. | ||
| Well, they're just trying to not... | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| We're not... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I don't mean to cut you off. | ||
| I am cutting you off. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Please continue. | ||
| That's on me. | ||
| That's on me. | ||
| Well, the point I was making is I do think that there is a hope that maybe some of the people in their audience would take this as a sincere argument. | ||
| But it's not an argument that they want to commit to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because of the bad and stupid implications of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just a deflection from taking any kind of stock of the kind of rhetoric that you are engaged in putting out into the world and the consequences that it can have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I say that, and I mean, you know, four years ago, I think I'm on your team, and now I don't think that what they say matters beyond if you say it, then you said it. | ||
| The end. | ||
| I don't care if they are genuine about it or not. | ||
| I don't think it matters. | ||
| And I think they are clearly, clearly the people who want to say that shit and then whenever somebody challenges them, walk it back as I wasn't being serious or I wasn't being serious. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| You were, you said it, done. | ||
| It is by Tim Pool's fucking argument fine to murder Tim fucking Pool. | ||
| So I don't give a shit. | ||
| Well, but that being said, his argument is bad. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And so it is not a justification to kill him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Just to be totally clear. | |
| I agree with you in the sense that I do think that people, if they're saying things and making arguments, they should... | ||
| You own it now. | ||
| You did make that argument. | ||
| I mean, I just don't care if you think you're trolling or not. | ||
| That's over. | ||
| Before, we used to have that trolling thing where you'd be like, oh, they don't mean it. | ||
| I don't fucking care if they mean it anymore. | ||
| The people who are saying that do mean it. | ||
| It's almost irrelevant. | ||
| Yeah, they do mean it. | ||
| If you're trolling or if you mean something in as much as the effect that what you're having is. | ||
| No more walking back, no more pretending that you were trolling, no more nothing. | ||
| You own that forever now. | ||
| So Tim Pool can go fucking... | ||
| Fly a kite. | ||
| Fuck off, Tim Pool! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
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Fair enough. | |
| So, Owen, he does not bring this up, the shooting, for a bit. | ||
| It's not first and foremost on his mind, but he does have a guest coming on. | ||
| We've got Alex Stein joining us in about 30 minutes. | ||
| And, I mean, this guy just doesn't stop with the hits. | ||
| And he's outside of a library where they're doing a little drag queen story, child abuse for kids. | ||
| And it's just so classic how these children behave. | ||
| And then we're supposed to treat them like adults as they're out here. | ||
| Under no thought of their own, this is not an act of their own volition, to stand for trans kid surgeries and gay kids and all the other bull crap that they claim to stand for. | ||
| But there they are out there with their flags. | ||
| So, Owen is not covering the shooting, per se. | ||
| But he's leading the show talking about how he's having Alex Stein on because he has a video that he put out where he went and was being a dick at Drag Queen Storytime. | ||
| And you can hear in there Owen engaging in the exact sort of demonization campaign that the right is just characterized by at this point. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, at the end of the day, this needs to be a society-wide acceptance that the far right wants to kill gay people. | ||
| The end. | ||
| That is an acceptance that we need to all agree on. | ||
| They might not want to do it themselves. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I mean, again, I really don't care. | ||
| I just don't care. | ||
| I'm addicted to being precise. | ||
| Yeah, fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So Owen talks about how they have rifles. | ||
| People have rifles there. | ||
| There's the people who are protecting the drag queen story time. | ||
| He seems like to now really... | ||
| Understand the dynamic. | ||
| But there they are out there with their flags. | ||
| There they are out there. | ||
| By the way, they got their nice rifles that Joe Biden wants to ban. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they've got that going too for them now. | ||
| So we'll be discussing that, playing that video with Alex and getting a little more into that story where more and more every day gay Americans are saying, hey, wait a second. | ||
| You're not going to use... | ||
| You're not going to use us as a means to get access to children. | ||
| You're not going to say LGBTQ pride and wave a pride flag and then say, now let me get naked and dance in front of your child. | ||
| It's LGBT. | ||
| And so they're showing up at city council meetings, school board meetings, the Gays Against Groomers is becoming a larger group. | ||
| So there is the pushback. | ||
| So we're going to do at least two segments. | ||
| If we're having a good time, maybe we'll extend that with Alex Stein. | ||
| Maybe he wants to stay around all night. | ||
| If we're having a good time with Alex Stein. | ||
| Yeah, so there are people with rifles who are protecting a drag queen story time. | ||
| And apparently the story that Owen is covering is that there are more gay people who are turning against drag brunches. | ||
| I mean, the idea that they would arm themselves to protect themselves... | ||
| Has not yet sunk in to the right wing. | ||
| So people have guns there, meaning they're there to protect against other groomers showing up, as opposed to to protect those people inside from you fucks. | ||
| Well, I mean, even if you take the shooting in Colorado Springs away from it, because to be fully fair... | ||
| At the time that we're recording this episode, I don't think we know enough about a full motive or anything. | ||
| You can make some pretty... | ||
| decent assumptions based on available information, but there is still a little bit of a leaping to a conclusion about the precise motive. | ||
| But even leaving that aside, even if you don't want to get tangled up in that, you can still say that Proud Boys are showing up and disrupting aggressively drag queen story times in various parts of the country, a lot of times armed, yelling about how there's pedophiles grooming children in here. | ||
| And the idea of armed security in response to That is even understandable. | ||
| Even if there hadn't been a shooting, it would make total sense. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But yeah, Owen doesn't... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's almost like just sort of punting on talking about the elephant in the room while still covering these topics that are adjacent to the subject, which I find to be not the tip of the spear. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's, I suppose, pretending that the worst thing that you are at fault for didn't happen, so you can continue to make it happen. | ||
| So, we gotta kill some time here. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| Because, why not? | ||
| Owen's got some complaints. | ||
| Of course! | ||
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Backpack's on the subway! | |
| And all the venues here in Austin are now cash-free. | ||
| And I'm sitting there, and I'm trying to pay cash, and it's all robotic. | ||
| And I don't necessarily mind. | ||
| I mean, it's okay. | ||
| It's convenient. | ||
| You walk right up. | ||
| You grab a beverage. | ||
| Then shut the fuck up. | ||
| Now. | ||
| I don't necessarily mind. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| You don't have anything worth saying. | ||
| I'm all for using technology to make our lives more convenient. | ||
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Then shut the fuck up! | |
| But I'm trying to pay cash. | ||
| He's like, oh no, there's one attendant with all the robot checker devices. | ||
| He's like, oh, no, no, no. | ||
| We don't take cash anymore. | ||
| I'm like, oh, wow. | ||
| That's so great, isn't it? | ||
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I'm so glad we're moving to a cashless society. | |
| It'll be so great when the government can track everything we do. | ||
| Boy, oh boy, sir, do I need to show you my vaccine passport? | ||
| Just making a joke of it. | ||
| The guy actually agreed with me. | ||
| He was like, yeah, it's ridiculous. | ||
| He thought it was funny. | ||
| But see, that's where it goes. | ||
| So, oh, okay, yeah, you like the convenience of the technology. | ||
| Sure, I like the convenience instead of waiting in line. | ||
| I just walk right up, grab a beverage out of the cooler, slide my card in, boom, I'm checked out. | ||
| Oh, so, okay, I like that convenience, but then it's, oh. | ||
| Then shut the fuck up! | ||
| Sorry, oh, your card didn't work. | ||
| It says you're not updated on your vaccine. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Your card has been declined. | ||
| It looks like you made a post on the internet that was, it was bad, and so, sorry, you can't use your card. | ||
| It's been shut off. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to do. | ||
| Sorry, nothing we can do. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| There's nothing you can do. | ||
| Oh, you want to go get dinner. | ||
| Oh, you want to go get groceries. | ||
| Oh, you want to fill your car with gas. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| Sorry, car doesn't work. | ||
| Sorry, you made a bad post on the internet. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Sorry, you didn't get your latest vaccine. | ||
| So I have a paranoid fantasy that is kind of getting in the way of enjoying the thing that I am fine with and convenient. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I like flying. | ||
| I like flying. | ||
| And it is convenient to not take a boat across the Atlantic. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I like to get on the plane, and then you go from one country to another. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| But then, when you're in the air, what happens? | ||
| Pterodactyls. | ||
| Left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't even know which side the pterodactyls are on. | ||
| Let me ground this. | ||
| That's the issue here. | ||
| Let me ground this in reality. | ||
| So you're in the plane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where is it easier to rob people? | ||
| You can't get out of the plane. | ||
| Captive audience. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Captive audience. | ||
| Nothing they can do. | ||
| Where is it easier to run an improv show is another problem. | ||
| Plane. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They are trying to get you accustomed to flying because you can't get out of the plane. | ||
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Right. | |
| So they can put on bad improv shows. | ||
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So they can always rob you. | |
| So you'll be acclimated to bad improv shows no matter where you go. | ||
| Also, to Owen's point, I mean, I think that as someone who's worked in a bar before, it's way more convenient to have tabs. | ||
| It's substantially easier than making change for people, especially if it's a busy bar. | ||
| And then the second aspect to it, it's dangerous to be a high-cash business. | ||
| At the end of the night, you have the till where there's tons of money. | ||
| You have the potential to put yourself in a bit more of a dangerous situation for robberies and such. | ||
| I think that there's only positives to... | ||
| Bars, if they choose to, being cash, non-using bars. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, to Owen's argument, I say, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, stop whining, you whiner. | ||
| He's whining a bit. | ||
| There's so much whining. | ||
| So, about 20 minutes into the show, Owen finally gets to talking about how there was a shooting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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The response from the Democrat Party and the mainstream media. | |
| To the club, the nightclub, the supposed gay club, which is of course called Club Q. I'm not saying that that has anything to do with the Q moon. | ||
| It's just like, are you kidding me with this? | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's Club Q? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So, you can see here, as Owen begins to bring up the story of the shooting, in the space of 24 seconds, he implants three separate suggestions to distract the audience from the possibility that this was a mass shooting directed at a community that his show and his employer target routinely with ridiculous slander and accusations. | ||
| First, Owen couches the conversation in terms of discussing the liberal media's response to the shooting, because that's more fertile territory for him. | ||
| He doesn't have the chops to actually discuss the shooting itself, but yelling a bunch of dumb shit about random tweets he saw is basically the same thing on InfoWars. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Second, Owen says that this was a, quote, supposed gay club. | ||
| He knows that if the target of a mass shooting was a gay club, there's a high likelihood that a potential motive is homophobia or transphobia, which are the primary drivers of Infowars content. | ||
| In order to create distance in the audience's mind between the possible motive for the shooting and the rhetoric they hear every day, Owen tries to subtly suggest that it's not actually a gay bar. | ||
| If Owen wanted to do a tiny bit of research, he could have found their website and seen that instead of serving aioli fries, they have gayoli fries on their menu, which is a subtle hint. | ||
| Very subtle. | ||
| He could have checked out their drink menu and seen that, quote, cock shots are on the menu, which are described as, quote, jello shots dispensed through a white or brown cock-shaped syringe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They also have a shot called the cum shot, which is fire whiskey and Bailey's. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not into it. | ||
| No, me neither. | ||
| The Wayback Machine has snapshots of their site going back to 2004, where they're described as, quote, the premier gay restaurant and nightclub. | ||
| Their phone number is 571-GAY. | ||
| I say this with nothing but love and respect. | ||
| This is not a supposed gay club. | ||
| It's in Owen's interest to muddy the waters, though, so he throws that in to plant seeds of suspicion in the listener. | ||
| And actually, this is more important than it may seem. | ||
| An article about Club Q was published in the Colorado Springs Indy in July 2020 with the headline, quote, Colorado Springs' last remaining gay bar, Club Q, changes with the times. | ||
| That article is a fascinating tale of the queer history of Colorado Springs and how it went from a severely anti-LGBTQ environment in the 90s to a town with a vibrant community and a bunch of gay bars to this point in 2020 where there was just this one gay bar left in town because, as technology advanced, you didn't need to have a specific LGBTQ bar for people to meet up. | ||
| They could use apps and online dating. | ||
| So many of the other bars became, quote, gay-friendly. | ||
| But Club Q, their co-owner, Nick Greska, told the indie about a former bar they worked at, quote, when people would call us and ask if we were a gay bar, I was instructed to say we were a gay friendly bar, not an explicitly gay bar. | ||
| But that's not enough. | ||
| Club Q was supposed to be explicitly gay, and as Greska put it, The whole idea of this place was to have a safe place, to get a permanent one in the city. | ||
| This is the place that Owen is suggesting is maybe not actually a gay bar, because he's an idiot who just talks shit and he doesn't know anything about the subjects he covers. | ||
| The third thing he does is he gets all weird about the club being called Club Q, which he totally isn't saying has anything to do with QAnon stuff. | ||
| Totally not. | ||
| He's doing this because the audience is trying to associate things that are connected to the Q folks to be a globalist psyop. | ||
| So that was one of the main defenses that Alex deployed about why January 6th wasn't actually the Patriots' fault. | ||
| I didn't call the shooting a false flag. | ||
| However, if it's Club Q, I think you can put it together. | ||
| Yeah, Owen's doing this to wink at the audience that maybe they should think that it's a globalist psyop. | ||
| Again, the club was named Club Q since at least 2004, so unless QAnon has been going on since... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Anyway, as you can tell, right out of the gate, Owen is invested in throwing out distractions to get away from the heart of the issue, and I think that it's pretty fucking obvious why. | ||
| Yeah, and this is one of the reasons that I find that argument about the shooter's identity or whatever about it in regards to the heinousness of the crime being a hate crime. | ||
| If you are attacking a place that's explicitly safe, For gay people, then it is by nature an explicitly homophobic crime. | ||
| Regardless of motive or intent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't give a fuck what his brain, what their brain suggests is the motive behind their attack. | ||
| The attack itself is the motive. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I do still think that there are important things in terms of the broader conversation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Those things are important. | ||
| Particularly in terms of the... | ||
| The way that this shooting connects to the rhetoric that's deployed by figures in the right-wing media. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| I think that that is where that intersection is important, the motive and such. | ||
| I agree with you that the effect of it is... | ||
| It's an attack on the safety of all gay people, simultaneously. | ||
| I don't disagree with that at all. | ||
| I just wanted to make sure that I was giving voice to the idea that the motive is not unimportant, but what you're saying is still accurate. | ||
| Right, and in that regards, it is entirely possible. | ||
| I believe it's entirely possible for this person to have not listened to a single word that Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones have said. | ||
| I mean, it's entirely possible that this is unrelated to the larger global rhetoric around this circumstance, and it could be very personal, but the attack itself tells you what the... | ||
| Yeah, and it seems unlikely from a lot of surrounding context that it doesn't exist within the larger context of so much of this right-wing media, whether it be on social media or these people's actual shows. | ||
| But to the extent that there is a clear connection... | ||
| That is something that is a little bit murky. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| That I can respect. | ||
| So Owen plays a little bit more of a sort of deflection game. | ||
| And so again, the response from the Democrat Party, the response from the liberal mainstream media should not surprise us, but it does remind us just how sick and twisted they really are, doesn't it? | ||
| Now we all know why they're making... | ||
| The big deal of this shooting, because they can politicize it, blame it on their opposition, and then once again, in an emotional outcry, say, we have to ban guns, we have to end the Second Amendment. | ||
| But look, I can play this game every day. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| I can play this game every Monday, and I've been doing it more often now, just as an exhibition on how you could play this game. | ||
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But I mean, you know, just look at these stories. | |
| Two injured from two overnight shootings in Baltimore. | ||
| That's last night. | ||
| Philadelphia, Delaware County Police investigating deadly double shooting in Yedon. | ||
| I'm not sure this argument is as good as Owen thinks it is. | ||
| He's saying that his rebuttal to people calling for gun reform based on a mass shooting is to point out that there are even more shootings? | ||
| Isn't he just saying that the problem is worse than the gun grabbers? | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Also, this is a dishonest argument. | ||
| Owen isn't arguing for anything political or even productive. | ||
| At the core, he's saying that people shouldn't care about the Club Q shooting. | ||
| That's the point of this presentation. | ||
| He's pushing back against people caring about a mass shooting at a gay bar where five people were killed, and many more would have been if the shooter hadn't been beaten up by brave bar patrons. | ||
| Obviously, other shootings are tragic as well, and they are all indicative of problems that we need to address. | ||
| The issue comes down to these not being analogous situations, and because of that, the game Owen thinks he's playing is actually meaningless, and he doesn't care about those other shootings. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I mean, I don't... | ||
| Like, it is something where... | ||
| Even if this person, Owen, at one point had some sort of ability to connect empathetically to a story, by virtue of this as your job, as your imperative, and as the social group that he surrounds himself with, all murders are nothing to him. | ||
| How can you not be affected by it? | ||
| It blows my mind. | ||
| You kind of have to take on a bit of solipsism. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| Like, nothing can really be real for you. | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, he just rattled off those other shootings, and it's like, I don't even have time to express, like, that fucks me up, man! | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| You said one, that fucked me up. | ||
| Then there was another, that fucks me up. | ||
| And then you said another, that's fucked up! | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if... | ||
| Two separate incidents, like the one that he's talking about in Baltimore is two people were injured. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| I'm not sure if that is the same as a mass shooting at a club. | ||
| Well, I mean, we live in Chicago, and we can talk about the gun violence in Chicago all we want, but what Owen is talking about is gun violence towards genocide and trying to act like that is equivalent to... | ||
| Gun violence. | ||
| Yeah, there's gun violence and then there's essentially domestic terror. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there is a little bit of a difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, look, what would this show be if there wasn't a little bit of sexism thrown in? | ||
| Sure! | ||
| AOC has really just shown how disgusting she really is under the surface with this. | ||
| Responding, blaming it on Lauren Boebert because it's in her district. | ||
| Blaming it on Donald Trump. | ||
| Just total wickedness. | ||
| Just total filth and disgust. | ||
| Just a trash human. | ||
| What a shame. | ||
| Nice looking girl has to be such a trash human. | ||
| Maybe we'll get comments from her ex-boyfriend, Alex Stein, coming up next. | ||
| That's funny because Alex Stein rose to prominence because he sexually harassed AOC. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's funny that... | ||
| He's calling him her ex-boyfriend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she's such a pretty lady. | ||
| Too bad. | ||
| Too bad she sucks. | ||
| It is fun that their cowardice is so distinct and clear whenever they specifically go after AOC because it's a combined... | ||
| One, she would never deign to give a fuck about our response, so we can say whatever we want with no repercussions. | ||
| She's in that Soros level of like... | ||
| Well, that's not actually true. | ||
| She might dunk on some of these fools on Twitter. | ||
| Eh, sure, but I mean, not like, you know... | ||
| Not to the point where she's gonna sue them or something. | ||
| Not in a good fight way. | ||
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| You know, she'd say something and then it'd be over, or whatever it is, and people would argue in the comments for forever. | ||
| It only serves to elevate and get you more attention if she... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then the fact that, obviously, the angle that they're going to take is a paternalistic misogyny without question. | ||
| And it's like, I mean, it's so annoying. | ||
| You fucks know we're here. | ||
| You want to fucking come? | ||
| It's trolling, though, too. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Alex Stein comes on, and they play a clip of him at that Drag Queen story time. | ||
| I just think that this is, first of all, ridiculous, and this is the day after that shooting. | ||
| I don't know why they didn't just be like, let's go ahead and put this off. | ||
| Alex Stein is available any time. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| We can do this tomorrow or next week. | ||
| I'm not leaving, guys. | ||
| You guys, you're trying to get in my way. | ||
| I'm here on a public street. | ||
| Get out of my way. | ||
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Oh, my God, guys, I'm so scared. | |
| The Antifa, they brought their play guns, their squirt guns. | ||
| Oh, my God, your arts and crafts time. | ||
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Did this mess up your arts and crafts time? | |
| Do you guys think you'll be able to go home and play with your arts and crafts? | ||
| Why is it so tiny? | ||
| Look how scary they are. | ||
| Oh, my God, this guy's so scared. | ||
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I'm so scared! | |
| He's got his gun! | ||
| He's a big gun! | ||
| He's a big bad guy! | ||
| Look! | ||
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| Shoot him in the foot and do your time. | ||
| You'll get, what, two years? | ||
| That's not attempted murder, it's below the waist. | ||
| This is convoluted. | ||
| People like Owen and Alex Stein have a political ideology that says that they should support armed citizens practicing the Second Amendment. | ||
| Even if they disagree with the concept of drag queen story time, it should be antithetical to their gun absolutism to mock people for... | ||
| I mean, they care about guns and they want them, but they want what they represent more. | ||
| They want the ability to impose mortal fear in political enemies and couch it in a philosophical love for the Constitution. | ||
| For instance, they want folks, their team, to be armed to the teeth when they go to protest at a reproductive health clinic so the people seeking care or the clinic staff are terrified. | ||
| Or if there are protests in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, they want people on their side to be armed and wandering around acting as vigilantes. | ||
| That is good for them. | ||
| Conversely, they don't want principled gun owners to protect the targets. | ||
| They mock carrying guns here when the people are outside of Drag Queen Storytime or if armed citizens were to post up at an abortion clinic. | ||
| They don't want guns in these contexts because of what those guns represent, which is that vulnerable communities may not be as vulnerable as you want them to be. | ||
| It's incredibly distasteful for them to be playing this the day after the shooting. | ||
| Alex Stein is just mocking the idea of armed citizens protecting a drag queen's storytime, which is the exact type of event that people like Tim Pool and Matt Walsh would go on to use as a justification for why the shooting maybe wasn't so bad. | ||
| Also, Stein is just really bad at this. | ||
| He strikes me as the kid in like a high school play who's overacting. | ||
| He's hamming it up a little bit too much because he knows that no one would pay attention to him if he reeled it in and was subtle because he doesn't have a. | ||
| I think what he doesn't understand, because he's fucking stupid along with the rest of them, is that what he's essentially saying is that... | ||
| All of the horrible fucking murders were committed by us. | ||
| Because if you are insistently belittling the concept of your ideological opponent having guns, and in fact, having all of them be squirt guns, then you are actually insisting that the only people who murder people are the fucking conservatives, you fucking morons! | ||
| They're the only ones who have real guns. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| You fucking idiots! | ||
| Now, there is also a subtle... | ||
| Maybe, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if this is a conscious motivation necessarily or if it's just sort of like something that's a part of this. | ||
| And that is that there is a goal of kind of mocking these folks so they won't show back up. | ||
| So there won't be people standing there and giving a message that this is not a soft target. | ||
| There is a desire for these people who are standing guard and such to go away. | ||
| And I think that Owen is pretty aware of this as he explains how he mocked Antifa out of Austin. | ||
| Well, and I will say, too, the tactics that you're using here are actually proven. | ||
| It's actually proven to work because... | ||
| We used to have Antifa like this in Austin. | ||
| And it was the same thing. | ||
| And they would go out there and they'd do the same thing and hold their guns and everything. | ||
| And for two years, 2016 and 2017, I just mocked them into submission. | ||
| And they don't come around anymore. | ||
| You never see them in Austin anymore. | ||
| I mocked them into submission. | ||
| The next thing you can do... | ||
| You were afraid to do a deposition. | ||
| ...and laugh in their face when they have their guns. | ||
| To show that you're not intimidated by it. | ||
| But then the next thing, if you... | ||
| Are you ready for the... | ||
| You want the finisher, Alex. | ||
| You have to start the Antifa chant right there with them and try to get them to join in. | ||
| There's no Antifa chant! | ||
| And just sit there and chant it right in their face and they'll be so humiliated and embarrassed. | ||
| That they probably will quit showing their faces. | ||
| R.I.P. | ||
| Austin Antifa. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Owen the Cuck Destroyer just ran them out of town with his expert mockery. | ||
| That is one of the most deluded things I think I've ever heard. | ||
| I'd like to remind everyone of the time that Owen got dunked on by a child who flipped him off. | ||
| So, I don't think... | ||
| I'm not sure anybody is that interested in mocking them into submission. | ||
| Infowars had to hire an outside lawyer to be their fucking corporate representative because we made fun of them too bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We made fun of you too bad. | ||
| And now you're gonna act like you have fucking shit? | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| Mocked into submission. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Entire staff of Infowars. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| By a bunch... | ||
| Couple of dum-dums in Chicago. | ||
| I wish it was a bunch! | ||
| It's the two of us! | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So, I grew weary of hearing Alex Stein's voice. | ||
| Reasonable. | ||
| And so, I decided to, let's go on to check out other episodes, see where we're at. | ||
| And so, the American Journal, the next day, Harrison wasn't hosting. | ||
| There was someone named Christy Lee who was hosting, I believe. | ||
| And I didn't. | ||
| I don't want to bring another character into this at this point. | ||
| If it's a fill-in hosting and it's not one of their actual varsity players, I don't have anything to grab onto. | ||
| We could get rid of Doctor No. 4 in all soap operas and no one would notice. | ||
| Except for the Doctor No. 4. Well, that depends. | ||
| I mean, what about House? | ||
| Jennifer Morrison? | ||
| Oh, well, I mean, I'm talking about somebody who doesn't have a name. | ||
| What about Cuddy? | ||
| Doctor number four in the script. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Christy Lee is doctor number four in the script, and we can cut her out. | ||
| She's got two lines of dialogue, max. | ||
| Well, actually, my own argument falls apart, because in the later seasons of House, he ended up having a big Survivor-style competition. | ||
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And he can cut them all up and the show is still fine. | |
| He had a bunch of doctors and they eliminated them. | ||
| So maybe there's... | ||
| If I'm an actor on a show and the writer's like, hey, we've got a whole thing where we're eliminating a bunch of people, I'm like, shit, I hope I don't find out that they didn't need me. | ||
| I mean, Cal Penn was one of the doctors, and then his character committed suicide because he went to work for the Obama administration. | ||
| I was going to say, yeah, because he went to have a career. | ||
| Yeah, and so they needed to write his character off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| Weird. | ||
| What a bummer. | ||
| Life is weird. | ||
| Anyway, we go to the 21st on the Infowars Alex Jones flagship show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Owen is hosting again, but we begin the show with Alex on the phone. | ||
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| Alex is hosting on the phone. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| November 21st, 2022. | ||
| I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm about to exclusively respond to Elon Musk's vicious attack against me. | ||
| And what is clearly a threat. | ||
| Yes, ladies and gentlemen, he quoted Jesus Christ saying, Suffer the little children to come unto me. | ||
| And then it follows. | ||
| When it's better for one to tie a millstone around their neck and throw themselves in the deepest ocean than to offend one of these. | ||
| So one week he's in a Baphomet, the devil's champion outfit. | ||
| And then a few weeks later, he's now quoted Jesus Christ. | ||
| Well, beware, because the devil masquerades as an angel of light. | ||
| So he's taking care of the big issues here on this Monday episode. | ||
| Alex has come in specifically on his vacation on the phone to complain about Elon Musk. | ||
| You know, as a fan of history, I particularly, you know, I used to do the bit about Andrew Jackson and dual culture, you know, that kind of dual culture. | ||
| And in thinking about that, you know, I've always kept it within the point of view of the people within the dual and their social circle and how they react to that. | ||
| But what I forgot, or at least what I overlooked, I'm just now realizing, is what it must have been like for just a regular poor person to suddenly... | ||
| in the paper, you know, like fucking Alexander Hamilton dead, you know, and be like, all right, Like, if Elon Musk and Alex Jones had a duel, it didn't occur to me that we would all get to be like, hey, Elon's dead. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| How about that? | ||
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How about that? | |
| One of them would be dead. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Because they had a dispute. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Like, how weird would that have been in a political arena? | ||
| That would be weird. | ||
| That would be very weird. | ||
| And, I think, a bad system. | ||
| Yes, it's not a good system. | ||
| But, let's look at this. | ||
| This isn't a threat. | ||
| He just said that he's not going to let Alex back on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And then he quoted a Bible verse, and Alex is taking that to mean that Elon Musk is saying that he's going to put a millstone around Alex's neck and throw him in the ocean. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, Alex views the Bible as a fundamentally violent book. | ||
| It is a threat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You quote a scripture at me, and it's a threat. | ||
| That's violent. | ||
| One, I don't know what scripture you're quoting. | ||
| You're going to get some hands. | ||
| And I might be embarrassed. | ||
| So Alex seems drunk, I'll be honest. | ||
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| Now, I'm not saying that Elon Musk is the devil. | ||
| He's a provocateur and likes to play both sides of every issue. | ||
| And overall, I think he's done some good things. | ||
| He's also done some very troubling things. | ||
| But coming up next segment, I am going to really expose what's behind all this and what's really happening at Twitter and the wider war of censorship that is taking place that really only Infowars and a few people like Tucker Carlson have fully grasped. | ||
| what's actually happening. | ||
| This is being run by intelligence agencies and the Justice Department illegally. | ||
| They're having congressional hearings about it. | ||
| It's all come out. | ||
| I was the first to tell you about it decades ago. | ||
| But now it's been radically expanded. | ||
| And these direct scripts are being written and prepared and then given to PR firms. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No arguments for me. | ||
| The DOJ is involved in this tweet. | ||
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Elon Musk isn't letting Alex put that on Twitter. | |
| The DOJ is writing tweets for Elon Musk these days. | ||
| Man, they are not busy. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Now obviously Elon Musk has hired more PR firms than probably anybody in modern history. | ||
| And he's hired some of the PR firms that have been actually attacking me for separate clients. | ||
| So I hadn't blamed him for this up until this point. | ||
| But he's definitely following their exact scripts that have been put out before. | ||
| And it's very, very dangerous. | ||
| Now, again, I know what Elon Musk is doing. | ||
| I'm going to explain it all coming up in the next segment. | ||
| It's the police state weather separately. | ||
| InfoWars is not funded by big billionaires. | ||
| The Globals is funded by you. | ||
| And we have great products everybody needs. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| It's the InfoWars not funded. | ||
| That's where you know where we're at. | ||
| Because he's too good at ad reads. | ||
| He's too good at ad reads to fuck up now. | ||
| But also, man, like, what's happening? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're on vacation. | ||
| You're calling in to complain about Elon Musk and try and sell your shit? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| When he's on vacation, he still needs money and he still reads Twitter. | ||
| Where else is he going to bitch about it? | ||
| It's pretty remarkable, though, that, like, I mean, you know, the shooting was big news. | ||
| A lot of people are talking about it. | ||
| Alex is going to come in and host a couple segments of the show. | ||
| Kind of weird that he's starting off just being petty about Elon Musk tweeting. | ||
| You know, I mean, in his world, though, it is like, look at the world we live in now, and this is a fucked up event, and unfortunately the news cycle is going to move on. | ||
| And as much as we make fun of Alex for being a fucking non-serialized show, unfortunately, all too often, we live in a non-serialized show in this regard. | ||
| And so I can see why he'd be like, hey, fuck it, I bet I can get away with not talking about this at all. | ||
| Because fuck it, I got Tim Pool and Tucker Carlson and all these motherfuckers out here. | ||
| If that is the case, then essentially what this reveals is... | ||
| You know, because the Elon Musk tweet would also, you know, move out of the... | ||
| You'd have to... | ||
| Right, so the choice, the editorial choice is pay attention just to things that are weirdly self-aggrandizing. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| And I guess that makes some sense. | ||
| Solipsism, as you said earlier, might be a part of the gig. | ||
| So Alex continues to complain about Elon tweeting about him. | ||
| Thank you for joining us on this live Monday, November 21st. | ||
| 2022 broadcast. | ||
| I am your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm about to exclusively respond to some of the over-the-top statements against me by Elon Musk yesterday and today. | ||
| And the fact that the vast majority of even leftist-controlled, infested Twitter has really woken up to what's happening and has saw right through to what Elon Musk and the establishment is doing. | ||
| I don't think that most people on the left were ever that thrilled with what Elon was up to with Twitter. | ||
| I don't know what kind of charade Alex is trying to pull here. | ||
| The entire first segment of this show is Alex shilling his supplements and book, desperately begging for money. | ||
| And now, the second segment is clearly just Alex complaining about Elon Musk. | ||
| This is an important dynamic to understand for a few reasons. | ||
| The first is that Alex really can't disappear for too long, because no one else moves product at nearly the rate he does. | ||
| If he wants to take time off, he does kind of need to pop in and do shit like this to reassure the audience that he's still there, and remind them that they need to give money to the cult leader. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| The second is that from a content perspective, the Club Q shooting is not relevant enough. | ||
| For Alex to address on the show in the limited time that he has to appear while he's on vacation. | ||
| However, what's super important for him to talk about is that Elon Musk mentioned him on Twitter. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He doesn't cover news. | ||
| He's not a competent talk show host, but he's amazing at wrangling attention. | ||
| He's done it since the VHS and Bullhorn days, and now the technology and social media has evolved. | ||
| This is that equivalent. | ||
| With Elon saying that Alex isn't going to be let back on Twitter, Alex knows that he has an opportunity to get some attention, but it requires him responding to keep the image of a fight alive and the window is short. | ||
| He needs to... | ||
| You know, get in there now. | ||
| Because him responding when he gets back from vacation, no one's going to give a shit, and he's going to look weak. | ||
| Self-aggrandizing drama is what Alex is most interested in, and Alex probably should have known that Elon felt this way about him if all the other stories that he tells are true at all. | ||
| Alex has very strongly implied that he's gone to dinner with Musk because of the Rogan connection. | ||
| Alex has talked about how Joe has told him that Elon loves him and all this, but now that Musk has come out and publicly said that Alex is a piece of shit, Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is funny to me now, like, how open so many corporations and shit are about being like, hey, listen, we're going to support these politicians. | ||
| I mean, we still need our taxes low. | ||
| Sure, they want to kill gay people. | ||
| We need low taxes. | ||
| And so people like Alex are all complaining about, oh, the left is coming to kill us. | ||
| It's like, man, the left is nowhere near this shit. | ||
| The left is nowhere near owning Twitter. | ||
| The left is nowhere near owning Coca-Cola or whatever it is you want. | ||
| In fairness, it's woke ideology that runs Coca-Cola. | ||
| And the left doesn't own Twitter. | ||
| They've infested it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the problem with Twitter right now. | ||
| Too much leftist content. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex. | ||
| Let's complain some more about Twitter. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| So, we'll put these tweets on screen, but he first said a few days ago, from a bunch of requests from users, will you bring back Alex Jones? | ||
| And he said no. | ||
| He then had a poll and brought back Donald Trump because... | ||
| One percent extra in the poll. | ||
| One in Trump versus those that didn't. | ||
| They had similar polls with 300 plus thousand votes. | ||
| The Hodgson's did where I had a ten point lead on the poll of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people wanting me to come back. | ||
| But the point is, is that it's hypocrisy to say he's democratized it and is going to have votes decide who can come back. | ||
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Hypocrisy, yes. | |
| that he's not personally invested and then come out and release new tweets last night saying Alex Jones the terrible person our shows made money off Sandy Hook Alex Jones wouldn't hurt these children none of that's true I just think this is sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's almost 50. I know. | ||
| This is an adult being like, Elon Musk does not play by the rules of his Twitter poll. | ||
| I mean, I just... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| We'll put these tweets on screen is about the worst sentence in the English language. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's second only to there's a lot of big news. | ||
| Someone made a meme, which is also in Alex's repertoire. | ||
| Lexicon is strong. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I don't like the way this guy who bought a toy using imaginary money is going to be mean to me. | ||
| Yeah, this is very sad. | ||
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| Very, very sad. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| Alex understands Elon's plan. | ||
| "Musk is trying to take over Twitter to create what he calls Internet X that goes back to where the Internet was freer and more open. | ||
| Still doesn't mean it'll be perfect. | ||
| He understands that the censorship is just killing interaction, killing debate and making it a horrible experience and he just wants to make it successful. | ||
| That's a common sense and smart thing to do just from a business perspective. | ||
| It's what made America great. | ||
| And the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Democratic Party, the European Union, and the Justice Department and CIA moles that Congress had hearings on last week are inside of his company right now and are literally trying to sabotage it, not just externally with threats of lawsuits and censorship and criminal charges from the EU, but they're also threatening to sabotage the company and the actual systems that make it operate. | ||
| So what he had an exodus out of the company. | ||
| It was worse than he thought. | ||
| There's questions that Twitter is even going to survive. | ||
| He hit the panic button and basically came out and attacked me so that he can get the left off of his back. | ||
| And you know, it's fine to me that he did that, except he went too far and compared himself to Jesus and the whole bring the children to me, suffer the children to me. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| So he hit the panic button, put on his big boy pants, and appeased the left. | ||
| But then, compared himself to Jesus Christ. | ||
| Which is too far. | ||
| That's too far. | ||
| Also, I would say that if there are moles involved, I know of one person that you need to call to take care of this, and that is Anderson Cooper, the original host of the mole. | ||
| I was trying to pull back mole quotes, and then I forgot that Anderson Cooper was the host of the mole. | ||
| And then Mark L. Wahlberg. | ||
| The other Mark Wahlberg. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So this is pathetic, but I gotta say, I admire Alex's swing here. | ||
| If there's one thing that Elon Musk certainly doesn't seem to care much about at all, it's appeasing the left. | ||
| But this is great. | ||
| Now Alex can keep all the Rogan backstory and still be mad at Musk about him not getting let back on Twitter. | ||
| He just has to pretend that what he's actually mad about is Musk comparing himself to Jesus, which I should point out Alex does about himself. | ||
| All the fucking time. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
| All Musk did was quote a Bible verse, which if you compare that with Alex's grandiose stories about how God selected him to fight the literal devil, it doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. | ||
| It doesn't rate. | ||
| But Alex needs an excuse to be mad that isn't just pettiness. | ||
| And religious bullshit pops the audience. | ||
| So this is a good play. | ||
| Honestly, I think he nailed it in terms of how he needed to thread that needle. | ||
| Yeah, he's pulling out a rat beef. | ||
| That's what he's going for here. | ||
| Because it's not... | ||
| He's trying to sneaky snake him. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The Democrats have it. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| The CIA's not involved. | ||
| You just want a rat beef with Elon Musk. | ||
| Because if he keeps coming, then it's great publicity. | ||
| No, it's the Rogan sneaky snake. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| One of Alex's great tricks is this. | ||
| Trying to get people caught up in fights with him that serve to elevate his own position. | ||
| I'll bleed Elon Musk like a pig! | ||
| Great. | ||
| So, what would this show be without a little bit of veiled anti-Semitism? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| You already heard that ADL is involved, and apparently they're running this shit. | ||
| Did not know that. | ||
| The corrupt war on free speech has been directed by these big corporations, and the perfect example of this is the NBA not allowing any criticism by their players or any criticism by the fans of Communist China and the Uyghurs and all the rest of it. | ||
| Literal death camps and a major NBA owner, remember? | ||
| You said they were good! | ||
| He doesn't want to hear about the Uyghurs. | ||
| They don't even register in his mind. | ||
| So when you talk about people in slave camps and death camps having their organs harvested and worked to death at Apple Foxconn laboratories, that's okay because it's just Tim Cook's gay and he wears a turtleneck and talks effeminately. | ||
| But when Alex Jones questions a mass shooting when the rest of the Internet does, why, it is the ultimate crime in history and now all populists need their free speech taken and need to be punished. | ||
| Heading up this whole global move to censor is the ADL. | ||
| They're censoring in Europe. | ||
| They're censoring in Australia. | ||
| They're censoring in Canada. | ||
| They're censoring here in the United States. | ||
| They decide who to get censored. | ||
| And now Albert Bourla last week got an award from the ADL for fighting hate. | ||
| And they said that anyone, anyone, at any time, that questions in any way. | ||
| Any of the shots or if they're effective or anything is a criminal, is an agent of evil, he said, and needs to be censored and debanked and taken off the internet. | ||
| And that's really the big story we're talking about here right now. | ||
| It's a big story. | ||
| I'd be interested to hear how Alex squares his position about the NBA with his opposition to NFL players taking a knee as a silent protest against police brutality. | ||
| I don't think he could. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| This is also just a talking point from 2019 that Alex is pulling out of his ass to defend himself because he really doesn't have an actual defense for his actions other than to flail and distract. | ||
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| Albert Borla is the head of Pfizer, and on November 10th, he was given the ADL's Courage Against Hate Award. | ||
| Also, a past recipient of that, Hamdi Ulukaya, head of Chobani, sued Alex. | ||
| The reason he got this award had to do with, well, I'll just quote his acceptance speech here. | ||
| Quote, anti-Semitic messages on message boards and on On flyers posted in communities across the country suggesting that the coronavirus was a tool for Jews to expand the global influence, that Jews were profiting from COVID, and that Jews were the real virus. | ||
| Hate peddlers referred to the Jew vaccine to dissuade others from receiving it. | ||
| Some messages even referred to my own Jewish heritage and used it as evidence that the widespread vaccine effort was part of a calculated long-term Jewish plot to institute a global Jew government. | ||
| It makes sense why Borla got this award, given the context of everything, and while it's fair to agree or disagree with some of the points that he makes in his speech, he didn't say any of the things Alex is claiming. | ||
| Alex probably only knows about this speech and this award at all because of this line. | ||
| Quote, now there are bright spots amid this darkness. | ||
| Just last month, a jury awarded close to a billion dollars to families of those who lost loved ones in the Sandy Hook massacre because one man with a microphone spoke disgusting and disgraceful lies. | ||
| The jury flat out rejected his lies and made an unambiguous statement that such evil is not acceptable. | ||
| That got an applause break from the audience, and Alex is probably just a little pissed off that he didn't actually get a name check in speech. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty funny. | ||
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Say my name! | |
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| Yeah, so I think that's the only reason Alex even knows about this. | ||
| He lost a billion dollars and you don't even get a name! | ||
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| So this entire segment is essentially Alex claiming that he didn't do any of the things that people say about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Good segment. | ||
| Complaining about Elon Musk, sure. | ||
| And then, of course. | ||
| You know, why don't you at least say the millions dead from the shot is a little bit worse than me the devil questioning Sandy Hook. | ||
| So that's where we're at. | ||
| All right, I need listeners to know this. | ||
| We're not funded by the Globals. | ||
| We're funded by you. | ||
| We have the biggest sale of the year going right now. | ||
| Even more ads. | ||
| Biggest sale of the year. | ||
| Biggest. | ||
| Biggest sale of the year. | ||
| They're putting gifts in with the orders that you make. | ||
| Maybe it's a bumper sticker. | ||
| Maybe you get some supplements. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's randomly generated by the robots in his warehouse. | ||
| They're going to put little things. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Could be anything that you get. | ||
| Like a Cracker Jack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And just as useless as the prizes. | ||
| That sounds about right. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, it's a big sale. | ||
| Also, double Patriot points. | ||
| Man, if... | ||
| And I will say this. | ||
| Use code 1776 to check out. | ||
| If his surprise was one of the Batman Forever McDonald's mugs from the past, I might get something. | ||
| I really might. | ||
| If he was throwing in old Batman Forever mugs, those things were unbreakable, number one. | ||
| I would open up my order from InfoWars and I would say, Baby! | ||
| Great song. | ||
| So Alex signed off after his pitch. | ||
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Of course, yes. | |
| But then it comes back from commercial. | ||
| I want to add one last key point that I mentioned earlier, but I want to really highlight. | ||
| Thank you to the listeners and viewers for your support. | ||
| And thank you for the outpouring I've seen, not just on Twitter, but across the Internet and on my phone and in person on the streets. | ||
| By people really, really supporting me and understanding or supporting themselves in that process. | ||
| And that if they can take down Infowars, they believe they can take us all down. | ||
| Elon Musk, even on leftist Twitter, is getting annihilated by people that see through the hypocrisy. | ||
| They're leftists. | ||
| And all the lies they tell on purpose. | ||
| And then they sit back and act like I'm this object of ultimate premeditated evil, that I'm Satan, that I should be ashamed of myself, and that... | ||
| It's the left again trying to use mind control on us and gaslighting us, and it's not working. | ||
| So, it's incredible. | ||
| I mean, Trump, again, won his poll by like two points or whatever it was. | ||
| I won my poll on Twitter with 300,000 plus votes. | ||
| About 10 points. | ||
| So just think about that, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| And what a hypocrite Musk has been. | ||
| I don't even want to go back on Twitter. | ||
| You're almost 50. There's been so much whining, and now you're going to end it with, I don't even want to go back on Twitter. | ||
| I don't even want it. | ||
| I don't even want it. | ||
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What it is, is the principle of the thing. | |
| He's not even saying that. | ||
| I don't even want to play with this toy from Cracker Jack box. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I do think this was worth him coming back after he had already signed off, though. | ||
| That is... | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Well, he wanted to hit on it, and he didn't hit on it earlier. | ||
| He did. | ||
| To thank everybody, he didn't hit on that. | ||
| But what he forgot was that he doesn't actually... | ||
| Care. | ||
| And he wanted to complain more. | ||
| And he wants to complain more about Elon Musk. | ||
| Great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just want to thank everybody. | ||
| That's why I came back anyways. | ||
| Elon Musk is a real piece of shit. | ||
| It would almost make sense if he came back and he was like, I meant to touch on this earlier. | ||
| I didn't bring it up. | ||
| There was this shooting and it was a false flag. | ||
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Or something. | |
| Something quick. | ||
| It would at least make sense. | ||
| But no, he doesn't talk about it at all. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Not even once does it get mentioned. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Completely bizarre. | ||
| More whining. | ||
| So now Owen takes over and immediately brings up the shooting. | ||
| Great. | ||
| How is there not a bigger pushback? | ||
| And how is it that the basic instinct of survival and freedom has been so beaten out of the American consciousness that whatever you think is the proper response to a mass shooting, that we don't have the proper response to individuals wanting to disarm you? | ||
| Because that's a pretty big story, and if you think the mass shooting at a gay nightclub was bad, that resulted in five dead and 25 injured, do you have any idea what kind of a bloodbath disarming the American people would be? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Just look throughout human history at what authoritarian regimes disarming... | ||
| This is essentially a threat. | ||
| In patriot, militia-type communities and ideology, it's well understood that when disarmament happens, it's time that you gotta start killing. | ||
| I've brought it up a bit in the past, but this idea is central to the book Unintended Consequences. | ||
| Also, in the Turner Diaries, the inciting incident that leads to the insurrection is the Cohen Act, government confiscation of firearms. | ||
| Owen has reached the point of covering the story where he's just making veiled threats. | ||
| If you think this mass shooting is bad, consider that if you tried to enact gun regulation, all my friends will start killing cops and engaging in a full-scale insurrection insurgency, becoming the American Al-Qaeda that they've always wanted to be. | ||
| So if you compare it to the killing that we would do if you enact gun regulation, this shooting really isn't that big of a deal. | ||
| Think about it that way and stop complaining. | ||
| That's basically the message here, which sucks. | ||
| Yeah, and it only works so long as it's a threat. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It only means something so long as it's a threat. | ||
| Because obviously, if they were to actually try that shit, they're not going to overthrow the fucking country. | ||
| They're going to be criminals, like the rest of everybody else. | ||
| I would have thought similar things maybe two years ago. | ||
| Sure, that's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I mean, even the morning of January 6th, I thought, well, there's no way this is... | ||
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Oh! | |
| There's no way they're going to get inside the... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, but I thought that was going to happen. | ||
| I thought an attempt would be made. | ||
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I didn't think it would go that far. | |
| That's the... | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of surprises. | ||
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Sure. | |
| A lot of expectations that we may have might be faulty. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| But that said, I think that overthrowing the government sure may be lofty, but the idea of creating cells of... | ||
| Essentially far more engaged and active domestic terror, I don't think is unrealistic for what they're capable of. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out at you, and it's going to be an unpopular thought to them. | ||
| They're all lazy and cowardly. | ||
| Well, I think that you might comfort yourself in constantly viewing the lazy and cowardly ones. | ||
| I think that behind that are a number of people who you may not have ever heard of, who aren't media figures who are less. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I mean, that's the thing you should be worried about. | ||
| True. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Anyway, CBS News did a piece that Owen's excited and condescending about. | ||
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It gets a little old. | |
| It gets a little frustrating. | ||
| Where last night, CBS News, their big Sunday News special on CBS Sunday Night News. | ||
| Do you know what it was? | ||
| Do you know what CBS News big special was last night? | ||
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After the football game, everybody tuned in. | |
| The Grinch? | ||
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Do you know what the big CBS Sunday Night News special report was? | |
| Minions? | ||
| Hunter Biden's laptop. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| Hunter Biden's laptop. | ||
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Because, you know, it's from when was it again? | |
| Oh, November 2020. | ||
| That was the day. | ||
| Or was it October 2020? | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Two years later. | ||
| Thanks, CBS News. | ||
| I mean, guys, if you're not cheering along, if you're not clapping along at home, You're being a lazy bum. | ||
| CBS News got it, guys. | ||
| Hunter Biden's laptop is real. | ||
| Thanks, CBS News. | ||
| But look, we can make fun of the mainstream media being light years behind Infowars all day long. | ||
| Just like I can sit here and make fun of the Democrats. | ||
| Was that making fun of them? | ||
| Right about what's going on in Germany now. | ||
| And that's kind of fun. | ||
| And then we can pat ourselves on the back and it feels good. | ||
| And we can do that. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Okay, let's get serious about it. | ||
| Why would the Democrat-run media all of a sudden greenlight the Hunter Biden story? | ||
| Because they've had it for two years, folks. | ||
| I mean, they've had the Hunter Biden story for two years. | ||
| Why are they greenlighting it now? | ||
| After the midterms? | ||
| Ahead of the presidential election cycle? | ||
| I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here, folks. | ||
| You have to prove things. | ||
| I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here. | ||
| I think the Biden ouster is actually upon us. | ||
| Oh, nope. | ||
| I was way wrong. | ||
| And I think the deep state might be willing to give us this synthetic win feeling like we've got wind in our sails when really we're just unknowingly doing their bidding for them by getting Biden out of the way. | ||
| Because then, guess what? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Hillary. | ||
| Hillary. | ||
| Bringing Hillary back. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| Just too insane. | ||
| Just too insane. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| I thought Biden was going to be assassinated before the midterms. | ||
| Wait, hold on a second. | ||
| Aren't we supposed to be out of diesel? | ||
| I thought we were hit by a nuke. | ||
| So CBS News did a story about Hunter's laptop because, and the timing of this is because, they were able to acquire a copy of the data directly from the source, not a second or third hand thing. | ||
| Oh, so you have to prove things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They reviewed the data with a forensic computer specialist or two who said that they didn't believe that they saw signs of things being added to the data and that it appeared authentic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This isn't the same thing as saying that all the absurd right-wing media claims about the laptop are confirmed. | ||
| It's not even saying that the basis for a lot of those claims is authenticated because these people, like the Rudy Giuliani's of the world and such, they may be working from a copy of the data that's had files added to them. | ||
| All the CBS piece can really assert is that the expert they spoke to didn't see signs of tampering in the data directly from the source. | ||
| This isn't necessarily as much of a win as Owen wants it to be, and he doesn't get to congratulate himself for being part of a media organization that made a ton of shit up about the laptop after an actual media organization Yeah. | ||
| Also, I fucking love this segment. | ||
| I love this development so much. | ||
| Now... | ||
| I guess Alex and Infowars need to protect Joe Biden at all costs. | ||
| If they attack him, they're just doing the globalists bidding because they want Biden out of the way. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| They're just, they're just nonstop. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I don't think it, I don't think it does make them feel good. | ||
| I don't think it makes them feel good for CBS News to somehow pretend, confirm that they're right. | ||
| Even if they were right, which they're not. | ||
| Also, while I was listening to that, I tried to pat myself on the back. | ||
| It didn't feel that great. | ||
| I noticed that. | ||
| I felt nothing. | ||
| It's tough to pull off a sarcastic clap. | ||
| But one of the easiest mistakes a lot of people make, you think it should go on longer. | ||
| You don't need it to go on longer. | ||
| Four claps maximum is all you need to know. | ||
| So Owen gets back to talking about the shooting. | ||
| And of course, it's just distraction, deflection. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think it's sad that we're so normalized to the violence in the inner cities and the shootings in the inner cities that it doesn't even make the news. | ||
| Well, it makes the news, but it's never going to make the big national news. | ||
| It's never going to be a big story. | ||
| It's never going to be a big controversy. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| That's sad to me. | ||
| That's sad to me that we're about to do this live on air in a couple seconds to prove a point that I can have my crew in there and I can sit here in confidence and I can say, guys, we're going to do this live on air and I have enough confidence to do this and I'm not going to look like an idiot, They can plug in shootings into a search engine and we'll find at least one shooting. | ||
| We could add it all up. | ||
| We'll probably have dozens dead from shootings in inner cities over this week. | ||
| This is how desperately Owen doesn't want to address the actual point and talk about the actual shooting. | ||
| He has to deflect so much that he's decided to play a game of shooting roulette with the producers, which, even if he finds a ton of shootings across the country, doesn't prove the point he wants it to. | ||
| If anything, it makes a stronger case for gun reform. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| But again, this is important to remember. | ||
| He's the one who doesn't care about these shootings in the inner cities. | ||
| He's the one who sees them as a prop, just that he can use to distract away from having to talk about the shootings that hit a little too close to home. | ||
| People talk very constantly about addressing violence in inner cities, yeah. | ||
| All I have to say is I think this is a great job, Owen. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| Still didn't feel good. | ||
| Tried to pat myself on the back again. | ||
| Didn't work. | ||
| So he's just got to tread water because it doesn't go as smoothly as he thought. | ||
| He thought maybe these producers would find headlines right away. | ||
| Nah, got to tread water. | ||
| And I don't want to hear anything other than that because that's what it is. | ||
| You can call it an assault weapons ban. | ||
| You can call it common sense gun legislation. | ||
| I don't care what you call it. | ||
| It's banning the Second Amendment. | ||
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All of it. | |
| The violations against the First and Second Amendment in this country are out of control. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| It is a violation. | ||
| Let's stop playing word games and call it what it is. | ||
| Shall not be infringed. | ||
| So yes, banning assault weapons, whatever that means, is a violation of the Second Amendment. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And then trying to write legislation to make that law... | ||
| Is to effectively ban the Second Amendment. | ||
| So what's worse? | ||
| That we've been so normalized by all the crime in the inner cities that the Democrats don't even use it politically. | ||
| I mean, think about that. | ||
| The Democrats will use anything they can for their politics, but they don't want to use the crime in inner cities? | ||
| Well, now we all know why that is. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The skin color isn't right. | ||
| And it's their cities that they run. | ||
| But that's the left. | ||
| Damn. | ||
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I... | |
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| That's an insane... | ||
| That's just... | ||
| That is a person who lives under a rock and is told news from fucking an insane person. | ||
| I personally have not seen his home. | ||
| So I don't know if it's under a rock. | ||
| Well, he's paid six figures. | ||
| But he does just... | ||
| To have people hand him things. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| He is a puppet. | ||
| Living situation aside, yes, he is just somebody who has things handed to him and he covers them. | ||
| He has no, like, awareness of political issues that aren't germane to the Infowars core message. | ||
| So he doesn't know about political... | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Movements or activists that are working on other issues like inner city violence or, you know, that kind of stuff is just, it's muted to him. | ||
| It's not relevant to him. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, of course he has this sort of conception that no one cares about this. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| You don't care about it. | ||
| You're the only person. | ||
| You do not care. | ||
| If you cared, then you could go find people who care. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| And, unfortunately, your staff apparently can't find headlines for you to use. | ||
| You know what I've noticed, listening to this much Owen, is that Owen has the cadence and the lack of... | ||
| ...value to anything that he's saying that requires him to make a point and then land it in order for it to sound... | ||
| And he has to say logic a lot. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Weirdly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex doesn't need to land a point. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex doesn't need to do any of this shit. | ||
| He's chaos. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, that's the thing that Owen wants. | ||
| And can never have. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that that's one of the things that makes him so boring. | ||
| Like, Alex, like I said earlier, he's unpredictable in a certain way. | ||
| He does get boring sometimes, and there's a lot of repetition. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But there is still a nice edge where you're like, ugh. | ||
| Anything could happen. | ||
| This could go bad. | ||
| He could storm out. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| He has the confidence to storm out of the studio. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit because he runs the place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Owen doesn't have that, and he's really boring. | ||
| And that's because if you have to land your point or argument or anything, then the landing should be good if you want it to be interesting, or the landing should be interesting. | ||
| And his landing isn't. | ||
| It's superficial stupid. | ||
| And what is required to land this is he needs his producers to feed him the headline. | ||
| And that is not coming until he's treading water, but they do find a headline. | ||
| So, okay, survivor of Colorado Springs gay club shooting that left five dead and 25 injured says he mistook gunshots from music before hiding as cops consider hate charges against 22-year-old suspect who was arrested for bomb threats last year. | ||
| Oh, he was arrested for bomb threats last year, and he gets away, and he shoots up a gay nightclub. | ||
| So, you know the feds were already on him. | ||
| You know the feds were already watching him. | ||
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And then, nope, it shows up at the gay club and kills 25 others and injures 25, and no. | |
| But that's your fault, law-abiding American. | ||
| That's you! | ||
| I guess the crew's having a hard time here. | ||
| We talked about this earlier, and the bomb threat charges weren't filed, so there's no reason to think the FBI had any involvement in the case, nor that they were following Aldrich. | ||
| And since Owen is bringing this up, I guess it's worth noting that there weren't any red flag laws that could have triggered the confiscation of Aldrich's guns after the bomb threat. | ||
| Would Owen support that kind of law, or would that be a violation of the Second Amendment? | ||
| If he doesn't support confiscating guns from people who make terrorist bomb threats, then his mention of the past crime doesn't really make sense here. | ||
| It seems irrelevant. | ||
| What Owen is doing is he's trying to say that this is a false flag without saying it directly. | ||
| The FBI got in contact with Aldrich after the bomb threat and then used him as a patsy or a mind control sleeper agent or some shit. | ||
| This is a consistent pattern with Alex's mass shooting conspiracies from James Holmes to Adam Lanza and Owen is signaling to that knowing that the audience is well aware of what he's saying without directly saying it. | ||
| Yeah, good for you. | ||
| My lit teacher, when I was in high school, I was with him all four years, and we became pretty close. | ||
| And he always used to say, sarcastically, I might add, that sarcasm is a tool of the weak-minded, right? | ||
| But when he did say it genuinely, he was speaking specifically about Owen Troyer. | ||
| It's a tire. | ||
| So he's still got to kill more time because these headlines aren't coming. | ||
| By the way, the gunman was subdued by patrons at the club. | ||
| So good for them. | ||
| So brave nightclub goers in Colorado Springs are better at their job. | ||
| Well, not their job. | ||
| Better at protecting lives, let's say, than the Uvalde police. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Where are you landing on this? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Good for them. | ||
| Coherence! | ||
| If someone would have had a gun, then they probably could have killed the guy, and none of this would have been so bad, but okay. | ||
| How? | ||
| That's just too common sense. | ||
| Too logical. | ||
| So, the patrons neutralized the threat of the gunmen, but according to Owen, they could have done it even better if someone had a gun. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| It's fucking stupid, and that's dangerous as an idea. | ||
| Odds are that someone with a gun wouldn't have been able to subdue the shooter much quicker than they did, and in a crowded nightclub, it's really dangerous to be in a situation where you're exchanging gunfire. | ||
| Yeah, that's insane. | ||
| You have a really high likelihood of hitting another patron. | ||
| Really dumb stuff, but I guess that the only thing better than a good guy who takes care of business without a gun is a hypothetical good guy with a gun who does a better... | ||
| Job, I guess. | ||
| Looks like those producers aren't having an easy time finding a shooting that fits Owen's narrative here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get more obvious exactly what's going on than the right wing being like, oh, this guy who neutralized the shooter, he can go fuck himself because he didn't have a gun. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| That's not a hero to you? | ||
| That's a hero regardless of... | ||
| Political ideology, right? | ||
| But also, is it a better outcome for someone to have killed the shooter than for them to face consequences? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And be tried in a court? | ||
| There's... | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I mean, I do understand. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But... | ||
| No heroes can be non-white and non-male. | ||
| And have to have guns. | ||
| And have to have guns. | ||
| It is like, the only hero is our fictional John Wayne. | ||
| If the real John Wayne was gay, which we can't ever possibly believe. | ||
| So Owen finally gets to some headlines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not good. | ||
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| Two injured from two overnight shootings in Baltimore. | ||
| This is all over the weekend. | ||
| Delaware County, Philadelphia police investigating deadly double shooting. | ||
| I don't know if the producers are asleep at the wheel or what, but I guess Owen's just gonna reuse the same headlines he brought up on Sunday's show, which seems a little bit soft. | ||
| If these are the things he insists no one cares about, I would suggest he look a little bit deeper. | ||
| The first shooting he mentions is in Baltimore, and if Owen were interested, he could check out the Abel Foundation, a non-profit committed to combating gun violence in Baltimore through investing in community programs that aim to intervene in at-risk situations and prevent future violence. | ||
| In 2021, they dispensed over $14 million in grants to community-based projects in areas like workforce development, education, and the arts. | ||
| This is a group that takes the problem of gun violence in Baltimore very seriously and is working to address the underlying causes and influence of it. | ||
| Or if he wanted to go a more religious route, he could discuss the Catholic charity Safe Streets Baltimore. | ||
| There are many other groups, too, and this is an issue that's discussed widely. | ||
| The second shooting Owen brings up is outside Philly, and the same dynamic is true in Philly as it is in Baltimore. | ||
| There are tons of people with goodwill working hard to create solutions to the problem of violence with community-based initiatives. | ||
| The premise that no one talks about these shootings because they aren't politically useful or whatever is just false. | ||
| It's just Owen. | ||
| One of the issues with what's going on is that in the right wing, there's a rising tide of anti-LGBTQ sentiment that a bunch of folks are riding to make a name for themselves in that media sphere. | ||
| The libs of TikTok account essentially exist solely to demonize trans people and drag performers. | ||
| Matt Walsh's entire brand now seems to be the guy who's really weird and angry about other people's sexuality and identity. | ||
| Alex Stein put himself on the map by sexually harassing AOC and now is making antagonistic videos at drag queen story times. | ||
| Anti-trans talking points fueled way more than one GOP midterm campaign and it would be hard to find a right-wing media pundit who didn't traffic in the calling random LGBTQ folks. | ||
| groomers for horrible crimes like being a teacher in this environment it's clear that a target is being put on a particular community who are being scapegoated and used as a punching bag for political points that's a scary and dangerous situation that we all understand leads to violence we've already seen children's hospitals targeted for bomb threats after being pointed out by libs of tiktok proud boys have shown up in crash drag queen story time yelling about grooming kids often It's crystal clear to anyone paying attention... | ||
| That this is a situation where the ice is thin, and the people who are escalating this tension and raising the temperature have no intention of stopping. | ||
| So when there's a mass shooting like this at a gay bar, like what we saw in Colorado Springs, it's very easy to understand how that hits particularly hard for people who care about and respect LGBTQ folk. | ||
| The writing has been on the wall that something like this was bound to happen. | ||
| The people who were inciting hate gleefully continued to do so, and then the horrific happened. | ||
| At the time of doing this episode, it does remain to be seen fully what the motive for this shooting was. | ||
| It's easy to jump to conclusions that this was definitely an anti-LGBTQ-motivated crime, and I think that the preliminary information points in that direction, but it is possible that there's another motive there that we're yet to learn. | ||
| Even if that is the case, it doesn't change anything about why an event like this would be particularly painful. | ||
| A community suffers a tremendous loss and a deprivation of a place where they felt like they could be safe while an entire media ecosystem demonizes and dehumanizes them. | ||
| And in response, the media ecosystem pretends that the shooting is actually their fault because they hosted drag brunch. | ||
| The actual shooter's motive aside, the toxicity and fully committed nature of the anti-LGBTQ positioning of these right-wing figures Yeah, | ||
| guess we can do that but he is very clearly ignoring a very salient difference between things because it's threatening and it implicates his worldview and i just think it's pathetic yeah, I mean... | ||
| It's hard... | ||
| To have lived through so many fucking genocides around the world that have happened beginning with this type of rhetoric and not look at this type of rhetoric happening around us and not be fucking... | ||
| I mean, the outcome is not good. | ||
| The next stage is after these kinds of portrayals of people. | ||
| It doesn't lead to, ah! | ||
| Acceptance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ah, we come to a greater understanding of each other. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That is not the path that the right-wing media figures, like we discussed, have any interest in. | ||
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| And that is troubling. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Owen has a revelation. | ||
| How? | ||
| This is big. | ||
| Using what? | ||
| Brains. | ||
| Where? | ||
| In his head. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| Looking into what I was going to cover next, and that was the issue of globalism and the global government, and it hits me. | ||
| As I'm looking at this stack of news dealing with the global government and some of the geopolitical news stories on my desk, it just hit me, and it's so obvious. | ||
| But we have to remember this. | ||
| Almost everything politically, policy-wise, that comes from the Democrat Party is just a feeder into the World Economic Forum, into the one world government. | ||
| And so that's what really needs to be understood. | ||
| And that's what's so upsetting, because all these Democrat policies are all disingenuous. | ||
| They don't really mean any of it. | ||
| It's not based in logic, reasoning, or even law. | ||
| Basic common sense. | ||
| But okay, why? | ||
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| If Democrat Party policy is just a feeder into the World Economic Forum, just a feeder into the global government, okay, so let's apply that to what they're doing with gun legislation and what they want with gun confiscation, and then does it hit you? | ||
| Then do you see the clear picture here? | ||
| Do you see the bigger picture? | ||
| Do you see the 10,000-foot view now? | ||
| Folks, they can't have their global government with 300 million armed Americans. | ||
| That ain't gonna work. | ||
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| So yes, of course the Democrats are trying to disarm you. | ||
| This is fucking pathetic. | ||
| Owen is presenting this as a revelation he had while looking at his news that the globalists need to disarm Americans because they can't bring in a world government with so many armed patriots out there? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| This is a new thought that he's presenting to the audience. | ||
| Right? | ||
| This is the most elementary Infowars talking point going back decades. | ||
| It is the fundamental talking point of the entire thing! | ||
| The whole reason they want to take guns, according to Alex's documentaries and constant rambling, is because they need an unarmed population who can't fight back when the UN troops or the devil or Klaus Schwab invades. | ||
| This is 101 stuff, and honestly, this would be like me coming here on episode 751 of our podcast and saying, I looked at this stuff and I listened to Alex and Owen, you know, like, And it dawned on me that they aren't sincere about the things they say. | ||
| It just hits me that they ramp up bullshit in order to push an extremist right-wing ideology and sell useless products to their terrified and trapped audience. | ||
| What a revelation I just had! | ||
| Mind-boggling. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| When he started, I wrote down, it's nice that they can still learn about the globalists, you know? | ||
| It's nice. | ||
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But then he ended, and I was like, you can't learn anything! | |
| Anything about the globalists! | ||
| This is a tactic that people can use to make a trite thing sound somehow more important. | ||
| It's the same thing when Alex is like, last night I was thinking and I saw the full picture. | ||
| It's a grandiose elevation of a mundane claim. | ||
| In some ways, I remember this. | ||
| It makes me feel like what I remember from K-Life or youth groups when I was in church. | ||
| It would be like, I had this revelation. | ||
| God loves you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like, okay. | ||
| You had that revelation? | ||
| But like, no, no, no. | ||
| You're not understanding. | ||
| He loves you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Great. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And then, simultaneously, it also makes me think of times when I was hanging out with people who were too high. | ||
| It reminds me of when a boss would come in. | ||
| They'd be like, hey, man, I just realized. | ||
| I'm wearing shoes. | ||
| Everybody's doing their regular-ass job, sitting in front of the computer, every now and again talking, and the boss comes in and is like, hey, man, I just had this idea. | ||
| What if we tried an ad campaign? | ||
| And you're like, that is how business works now. | ||
| I don't know what else to say to you. | ||
| Yeah, man, the globalists want to take guns because they need to to take world guns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He should watch some of Alex's films. | ||
| Also, you can't arm 300 million Americans because some of them are babies. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Now. | ||
| According to the law, now. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Wait until the patriots take over. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Guns for babies. | ||
| What gun could a baby conceivably use? | ||
| Like, I mean, obviously a derringer. | ||
| Yeah, of course, that's a baby gun. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| So, they need to take your guns. | ||
| In order to get their global world government, you can't have an armed civilization. | ||
| You can't have America. | ||
| You can't have a free people. | ||
| So, of course, they're going to use any and every opportunity to convince you to turn your firearms in. | ||
| And, of course, they're going to use it when we feel like we're at our most vulnerable, where a school gets shot or a nightclub gets shot or a movie theater gets shot. | ||
| And, of course, they always want to tie it into the politics of being gay or the politics of whatever. | ||
| Oh, you feel even worse because it's a gay club. | ||
| And so it's even worse that it's a gay club, see? | ||
| It's not necessarily worse because the shooting happened at a gay nightclub. | ||
| A shooting like this would be bad no matter what. | ||
| But there's an element that Owen is intentionally ignoring. | ||
| It's worse that this shooting happened at a gay club because we're currently existing at a time of increased anti-LGBTQ rhetoric being normalized, and a time when the prevailing attitude in the right wing is that we should regress back to a time when society had absolutely zero tolerance for any non-cis, non-straight identifying person. | ||
| A shooting that appears to target that community at a time when that rhetoric is flying around the right wing freely does sting a little more than it might otherwise. | ||
| But mass shootings, particularly in public places, are awful no matter what. | ||
| The shooting at the Walmart in Virginia last week is a horrible tragedy, for example. | ||
| I just don't think that this is an honest exploration of anyone's actual feelings. | ||
| I don't believe that Owen actually feels this way. | ||
| I don't know what he feels, but this is not a well-considered... | ||
| Dealing with reality. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Well, I mean, what they want is to say, okay, we all recognize that gun violence is a problem. | ||
| How about our solution is we do nothing, and then we get to continue yelling at our politicians about how they don't do anything, which I'm telling you that they shouldn't do. | ||
| So then you can yell about these politicians that don't do anything, and you'll believe that I'm helping you in some... | ||
| Fucking fashion, beyond all reason, and then you'll blame the politicians and still listen to me. | ||
| And anyways, the point is, I'm going to be rich. | ||
| And more people are going to die. | ||
| The populist message is going to be a chicken in every pot and a derringer in every crib. | ||
| I mean, absolutely. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| What should your little baby Bjorn be, but something with rifles sticking out the other end, you know? | ||
| And one pointed at your face to make sure you take care of that baby, right? | ||
| So one thing that I've noticed, Is that, look, this is a revelation. | ||
| I don't know how I couldn't have noticed this before, but Infowars lies. | ||
| They just make stuff up. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And so in order to talk about this shooting, Owen just lies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's always important to remember what really lurks behind the Democrats and what really lurks behind the Republican establishment that is the right leg of the Democrat Party, of the larger body politic that is the World Economic Forum. | ||
| That is Klaus Schwab. | ||
| That is the Great Reset. | ||
| That is the global government. | ||
| And people need to understand that. | ||
| Especially dealing with all of these domestic political issues and policies that might not make sense. | ||
| I mean, nobody should understand why the Democrats want to disarm you. | ||
| That should confuse everybody. | ||
| The shootings! | ||
| The shootings you talked about! | ||
| Because a known criminal, a deranged lunatic who already was on FBI watch list for bombings and arrested for bombings, and he goes out and shoots a gay nightclub, and now you have to turn your gun in, and now you have to be a good slave? | ||
| That shouldn't make sense to anybody. | ||
| You don't have to turn your gun in. | ||
| Also, Owen's just lying. | ||
| He's just making up that the shooter was on an FBI watch list because if he makes up that detail, it makes the shooting way more suspicious to the audience and encourages them not to take it at all seriously. | ||
| While Owen insists that the anti-LGBTQ ideology can't possibly be the motive for the attack and no one knows the motive, he feels like it's somehow appropriate for him to just make shit up in order to build up his imaginary motive and explanation for the shooting. | ||
| And this is just... | ||
| Just fucking disgusting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Making shit up. | ||
| I mean, look, sometimes there is a certain amount of jumping to conclusions that happens. | ||
| There's some assumptions that are made. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This is a factual lie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is just something that he's saying because it works better for him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is Infowars style. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just so stupid. | ||
| He's just so dumb. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| He's just so dumb. | ||
| But also boring. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It is unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The length of time he's allowed to speak in public for, I mean, money. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a problem. | ||
| So, speaking of things that went on too long, Alex complained about Twitter too long on this episode. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| But Owen's got to touch on that, too. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And I don't want to belabor this too much. | ||
| Alex Jones already covered it in the first hour as we enter the second hour of the Alex Jones show. | ||
| But it's frustrating when Elon Musk says... | ||
| Okay, I'm going to make sure Alex Jones is still banned on Twitter because I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics, or fame. | ||
| So I guess Elon Musk is really, I mean, he is really feeling good about himself these days, isn't he? | ||
| Yeah, for a South African emerald boner. | ||
| Because, you know, he's the one that should be doling out mercy. | ||
| I guess that's how the position he views himself in as the owner of Twitter now. | ||
| Okay, so, but by this logic, Elon, anyone who would use the deaths of children for politics, those are your own words, that's your own quote here, Elon, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for politics. | ||
| Okay, you know that's not just Alex Jones, right? | ||
| Right, Elon? | ||
| Come on, Elon. | ||
| Elon. | ||
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Elon. | |
| Who uses the deaths of kids for politics? | ||
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Elon. | |
| Elon. | ||
| And then, I mean, wouldn't you say that, you know, politics is then used for gain and fame? | ||
| So, I mean, technically, if you're using the deaths of children for politics, also gain and fame follow. | ||
| So, Elon. | ||
| Stop! | ||
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I know quite a few individuals that use the death of children for politics, Elon. | |
| Hmm. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| This is embarrassing. | ||
| God, he sucks. | ||
| So, you know, he's trying to make the argument that people who, you know, talk about school shootings in order to push for gun reform. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Those are the people who... | ||
| He was trying to blame the Sandy Hook parents. | ||
| I would love to play this game with Owen, though, because he's in a trap. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| thing is just using the deaths of children as props to build up their political power oh oh and i guess you could also give the boot to every anti-abortion advocate no i i think owen wouldn't like it too much if this standard was applied But he's having a lot of fun here saying Elon, condescendingly. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He's just the worst. | ||
| Also, Owen is conveniently leaving off the part where Elon says that the reason that he has no mercy for someone like Alex is that, quote... | ||
| My firstborn child died in my arms. | ||
| I felt his last heartbeat. | ||
| Owen probably doesn't want to go anywhere near that, considering that his claims that Neil Heslin couldn't have held his son after the shooting at Sandy Hook were kind of at the center of a lot of the lawsuits, and I would understand if he was once bitten twice shy. | ||
| If I were him, I would totally ignore that part too, but it's kind of glaring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eh, what are you gonna do? | ||
| I think what's funny about that is that this time he might actually have a better chance of saying that, because Elon Musk's... | ||
| The mother of that child replied to Elon Musk's tweet saying... | ||
| I know I'm the only person who cares because I was the one there, but I was the one holding the... | ||
| I think I saw that. | ||
| I don't know if that's true or not, but what I'm saying is that if you were going to say that he didn't, you have far more to go on than anything else. | ||
| I understand where you're coming from, but you touched that hot stove. | ||
| Oh, no, fuck that. | ||
| I don't want any part of that. | ||
| So, Owen, I believe he's a fan of DeSantis a bit, or at least the things that he's saying, and this is funny. | ||
| This is the basic stance that needs to be applied for any of our elected politicians here in America, and it's Ron DeSantis in clip 18. I want to have the values not of Davos imposed on us, but of places like Destin and Dunedin, where I grew up. | ||
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Things like the World Economic Forum, those policies are dead on arrival in the state of Florida. | |
| We are not going to go down that road. | ||
| Yes, cheering roar of a standing ovation. | ||
| I'm hearing it right now. | ||
| Now, he's in the... | ||
| Why aren't I? | ||
| He's doing government business in a government building, so you don't really get that. | ||
| But did you hear it? | ||
| I heard it. | ||
| I heard it. | ||
| Yeah, just imagine the cheers. | ||
| I mean, is he saying that figuratively? | ||
| Like, oh, I can hear in my mind the cheers of non-existent people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Now, there weren't cheers, but imagine them, because I am. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, I will say what did get a cheer was when Albert Borla shit on Alex. | ||
| Yeah, that did get a cheer. | ||
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That did. | |
| That got a big old cheer, didn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I suppose yelling or saying that the World Economic Forum is not welcome in Florida is not the applause line that you might be thinking on account of, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, what do you mean? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| So, Owen touches on Ukraine a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, he's the person I want. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Insightful commentary. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So instead, let me just try to put it to you like this. | ||
| Let me just try to put it to you in real layman's terms, human terms. | ||
| Ukraine and Russia are in a civil war. | ||
| Not how that works. | ||
| Russia is taking major deaths, major defeats at times. | ||
| Overall, they're winning, and overall, they've accomplished their agenda, but they didn't want to see tens of thousands dead. | ||
| They didn't want to see all the damage done to infrastructure, most of it actually done by Ukraine missiles provided by the West. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And they don't like seeing their prisoners of war get shot and raped and have their genitals cut off and torture videos. | ||
| This has all been going on by Ukrainians this year. | ||
| And so they don't like that. | ||
| And so you need to understand that the only reason any of that is happening is because of the West backing Ukraine. | ||
| Ukraine would not have any of this. | ||
| They would not have the weapons. | ||
| They would not have the support. | ||
| They would not have the confidence to be committing these war crimes and these heinous crimes against Russians, against Ukrainians, against their own people, against innocent people. | ||
| They wouldn't have any of the confidence to do any of this if they weren't getting supported by the West, by the United States of America. | ||
| So while human rights abuses are alleged to have been committed by Ukrainian forces as well as Russian forces, this explanation that Owen is giving is bullshit. | ||
| This is embarrassingly pro-Russia in its framing, and anyone who took their job as a news commentator seriously wouldn't do this bad a job. | ||
| Quick note, though, as you responded to, Russia and Ukraine cannot be in a civil war. | ||
| They're not the same country. | ||
| That's just not how that works. | ||
| In essence, Owen is saying that Russia had the right to invade and to seize territory that is Ukraine's, and that the only reason there's any problem is because Ukraine fought back with some Western support. | ||
| Those terrible people. | ||
| They should have just accepted large areas of their country being taken, their president likely publicly executed, and Russia installing a puppet head of state. | ||
| That is Russia's right to do. | ||
| That's what they have the right to do. | ||
| And because Ukraine didn't go along with it, now all this bad stuff is happening. | ||
| It's actually fairly similar in theme to comments that are coming out about the Club Q shooting, particularly the way that Matt Walsh and Tim Poole have framed it. | ||
| The shooting happened because the club had a drag brunch that they decided was a grooming event. | ||
| It was the shooter's right for there not to be a drag brunch at this bar, but the government and police didn't shut it down for him, so he invaded to take care of it. | ||
| In both cases, there's a state of affairs that they have deemed to be correct. | ||
| In Ukraine, it's that Russia can do whatever it wants, and in the case of Club Q, it's that LGBTQ folks can't do anything if it in any way offends the extreme right wing. | ||
| Ukraine didn't bend to Russia's demands, so they're really responsible for Russia invading, and the folks at Club Q didn't do exactly what the extreme right wingers did. | ||
| This is a really troubling mentality, and if you think about it for even a minute... | ||
| It's not hard to see how this could be applied very easily to justify atrocity, particularly against groups that you have spent years demonizing and dehumanizing. | ||
| I'm not even going to engage with that. | ||
| I'm going to engage with his own arguments, okay? | ||
| So what he's saying is that what Ukraine should have done is allow the Russian government to come in and disarm the citizens of Ukraine, thus taking over their territory, Installing a fascist dictatorship. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Do I understand that correctly? | ||
| Yeah, because Owen's consistent. | ||
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| Okay, just wanted to be sure that that was what he was saying they should have done, thereby saying that the correct answer... | ||
| To globalism is for the United States to lower its weapons, give them to the World Economic Forum because the World Economic Forum is the world and we're just one country. | ||
| So they own everybody so they can just walk in and what we should do, especially if it's Russia, if Russia comes in here, we should give up our arms to the government. | ||
| Well, he might actually say that. | ||
| That's actually a good point. | ||
| He also laments quite a bit about how, oh, Putin is mad. | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| We might not be able to repair this relationship with Putin. | ||
| It's just, it's that same thing of, like, what they're saying is so obviously stupid on its face that it goes against what they're saying. | ||
| Matt Walsh making fun of, oh, look at you with your fake guns. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Oh, this guy would have been a hero if only he'd shot the guy instead of stopping him from killing people. | ||
| Oh, this guy would have been, we should never give up our arms, but Ukraine should have fucked off into the night! | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I think what you're wrestling with is that nothing means anything, and these are all just incendiary and irresponsible, poorly thought-out arguments made for their own sake and for the sake of getting through the day, advancing right-wing ideology and selling dumb pills. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, that is what I'm grappling with. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's an issue. | ||
| This is a revelation I just had. | ||
| It's an issue. | ||
| So, Owen gets back to talking about drag queen story times and the idea that there would be people armed there. | ||
| And just in advance, a little bit of a warning, we got some T-slurs coming up. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Because, of course. | ||
| Because, of course. | ||
| And so here is just some dumb commentary. | ||
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You have liberals that go to drag queen... | |
| Drag queen tranny time for kid events at libraries. | ||
| This just happened over the weekend. | ||
| And you know what they do? | ||
| Do you know what the liberals do at drag queen tranny time for kids? | ||
| You know what they do? | ||
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Get this. | |
| This is going to blow your mind now. | ||
| Are you ready for this? | ||
| Who came up with this idea? | ||
| Do you know what they do? | ||
| Do you know what liberals are doing at drag queen tranny time events? | ||
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They're protecting the kids with guns. | |
| I know. | ||
| I know, guys. | ||
| Now, that might blow your mind, but we have it right here. | ||
| You can see this is in Denton County, Texas, and you see that the left decided to show up with armed men. | ||
| In full-blown military outfits. | ||
| You covered this with Alex Stein yesterday. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| And you can hear the slur and the way that this is being covered is dehumanizing and demonizing of the people there and feeds into exactly the problem that people are discussing. | ||
| He's basically making the argument for everyone. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So we have one last clip here where he struggles to understand people showing up armed to guard, and I find that to be ridiculous. | ||
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No, no. | |
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Now, I'm just trying to put it all together here. | ||
| So we protect the kids at drag queen tranny time with guns. | ||
| God damn it, man. | ||
| We protect them from the big bad conservatives. | ||
| But we don't protect the kids at schools with guns. | ||
| At the school, the answer is to disarm. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| I'm just trying to make sense of it all here. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| I'm just asking some questions, trying to make sense of it. | ||
| So that's where we're at now, Libs? | ||
| Is that where we're at, Libs? | ||
| So, first of all, there's a lot of schools that do have armed officers. | ||
| And I can explain this to them. | ||
| It's actually really simple. | ||
| For one thing, the people who were going there guarding that event, they weren't there as officials hired by the state, which they would likely have to be if they were there guarding a school. | ||
| That would involve like a super complicated administrative process to happen, whereas this is just people taking it upon themselves to show up and practice their Second Amendment rights, which Owen should love. | ||
| Secondly, there's a bit of a difference between these events and schools. | ||
| If Proud Boys and groups of right-wing lunatics fed a steady diet of sensational and bigoted narratives about how the schools were secret grooming programs targeting kids, were showing up at schools routinely to disrupt things, and if there were bomb threats being directed at schools that were pointed out by anti-LGBTQ social media accounts, and an entire section of the media was obsessed with demonizing schools and teachers, in that instance, maybe Antifa would show up at schools. | ||
| That isn't happening in the case of schools, but it is in the case of LGBTQ spaces, particularly focused around drag queen storytime, so it kind of makes sense. | ||
| In essence, Owen is a part of the media ecosystem that obsesses about these events, lies about them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| marvels at the idea that people would show up to provide security from the people who consume that media and show up to antagonize and disrupt the events. | ||
| He knows what he's doing, and this is very weak. | ||
| He does realize that this video he's talking about is from the same weekend that there was a mass shooting at a gay bar that high-profile right-wing figures are justifying by saying that there was a drag brunch at that bar. | ||
| I mean, this is insane. | ||
| I don't understand how he can... | ||
| I can understand it, but I couldn't understand how someone acting from a place of decent intention could make these kinds of points. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, that's the type of thing that you can't say in my presence. | ||
| I mean, wow. | ||
| Just fucking wow. | ||
| So it's bad. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The coverage that they had is bad. | ||
| I wrestle with whether or not I find it more objectionable than the stuff like Matt Walsh's coverage. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to choose. | ||
| I refuse. | ||
| I would say that at the end of the day, they are on a team. | ||
| They all exist in concert. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're all the same Rico case, if you will. | ||
| It's baffling to me that people would respond to a tragedy by acting in ways that serve to make more tragedy more likely. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That seems to me to be a not good way to operate. | ||
| And I resent it. | ||
| I find it to be awful. | ||
| I don't like listening to it, especially when it's coming from Owen. | ||
| On a lighter and less serious note, I think that listening to this much Owen... | ||
| Really bums me out. | ||
| It's the worst thing. | ||
| It also is a little bit reassuring in as much as, like, without Alex, there ain't no business here. | ||
| Nope, nope. | ||
| Because, like, you know, there's these little flourishes that he thinks are funny. | ||
| Like, I'm just asking questions. | ||
| Elon! | ||
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Elon! | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| These are the things that I think that he has as what he would like to be those idiosyncrasies that we were talking about. | ||
| The things that give him panache. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is my character in Flair. | ||
| His little childish sarcasm thing is supposed to be a character, but in fact, he's just a whiner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just whining. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's really, really frustrating. | ||
| Yeah, I don't feel like that's appealing to an audience. | ||
| And I think it bears out in the download numbers on Pan.Video of his own show versus Alex's. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| His presentation's bad. | ||
| His points are weak. | ||
| When he tries to do this grandstanding, I can find shootings, I can play this game all day. | ||
| Can't. | ||
| Can't even land that bit. | ||
| I mean, it is so much just, especially in reaction to this, it is a group of people who want money and power and they just don't care if there's a river of blood beneath them. | ||
| And they'll pretend there isn't. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| We would like money and power, and if there's a river of blood that it takes to get there, fucking fine. | ||
| I'll just pretend that it's everybody else's fault. | ||
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I'll just pretend that- It's probably- Where did that blood come from? | |
| Exactly. | ||
| It's probably that person's fault. | ||
| Yeah, it's totally- No, no, no, don't look at the trail that leads to me. | ||
| It's probably those people over there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know the trail leads to me, but haven't you read that book about Hansel and Gretel? | ||
| They didn't know where they were going. | ||
| So this sucks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'm sorry to have put this episode together. | ||
| Brutal! | ||
| I mean, I guess I did make this episode, but it's not my fault that Owen did the thing. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It is not your fault. | ||
| And this is what needs to be... | ||
| Like, I didn't know... | ||
| How fucking awful the response was. | ||
| Because I don't... | ||
| I mean, I'm off Twitter. | ||
| I'm off all that shit. | ||
| But I could assume. | ||
| You mean in the broader media? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, obviously, I didn't know how... | ||
| I assumed how awful it would be on Infowars, but I didn't know how awful it was across the land. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And to hear this shit is very... | ||
| Very important to recognize exactly where we are. | ||
| You know, maybe I'm jaded by Infowars, and maybe it's a function of Owen being there instead of Alex, but I honestly think that their response isn't as bad as you could assume. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| They've done way more distasteful... | ||
| Inflammatory coverage. | ||
| This is still pretty inflammatory, but there is an argument to be made, and I'm not positive of it, but that other people were worse than InfoWars. | ||
| And I don't know if that's often the case. | ||
| I think that's a result of the lawsuit. | ||
| I think that's a result of the judgment. | ||
| I think it's a result of all the times that, I mean, you can see it in how many times he had to so obliquely be like, this might have been a false flag. | ||
| The distance that they had to keep from those types of things, that would have allowed them to go further. | ||
| How much of that is because of the lawsuit and how much of that is because of Owen's style? | ||
| It's difficult to say because we don't have as much of a vocabulary of Owen's tricks. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| But yeah, it feels like maybe it is a function of the lawsuit. | ||
| There's definitely signs you can see that the lawsuit had an effect. | ||
| That is for sure. | ||
| I mean, let's take this on just a simple elementary level. | ||
| Alex is conceivably taking time off because of the lawsuit. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't even get... | ||
| Before we even get to the show itself. | ||
| Alex's absence is, at least in some part, a consequence of the lawsuits. | ||
| Which means InfoWars' reach is less. | ||
| So... | ||
| This horrific shit reached fewer people than if Alex was in studio. | ||
| Yeah, I guess that's true. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess that's what we're going for. | ||
| So we'll be back, hopefully, with a not as... | ||
| Horrific? | ||
| Yeah, maybe something a little lighter, but we'll see. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
| Clark. | ||
| I was at Monticello. | ||
| Monticello? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From TJ's? | ||
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TJ's house? | |
| Yeah, the home of Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| They have a big library there. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, huge. | ||
| Everything that Thomas Jefferson ever wrote. | ||
| Ever wrote. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| That's like five, six different things. | ||
| I was looking through the books. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| One of the books actually leaned outward. | ||
| Did he write it? | ||
| I pulled on one of the books and it turned around the bookshelf. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And inside, I found a manuscript. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| An unpublished manuscript written by Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| That's the WikiLeaks. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| You gotta read that shit. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |