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#753: December 1, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the monumental day when Ye and Nick Fuentes brought very explicit antisemitism and holocaust denial to Infowars. 

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alex jones
20:58
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dan friesen
01:37:11
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jordan holmes
47:38
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kanye west
32:04
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nick fuentes
06:05
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ali alexander
03:22
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owen shroyer
02:02
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greg reese
00:06
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laura loomer
00:10
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owen benjamin
00:36
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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andy in kansas
00:02
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for listening.
andy in kansas
I'm a huge fan.
owen shroyer
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
Knowledge Fight dot com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I'm Dan.
dan friesen
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
My bright spot today, this is not my bright spot, but just as a matter of context-Sure.
You know this already-Of course.
Formerly known as Kanye West was on InfoWars on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it appears that way.
dan friesen
December 1st.
And that's what we're going to be talking about today.
But because of this...
I ended up thinking about, like, what's my history with Ye's music like?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I was never a huge Kanye West fan in terms of the music.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I thought, like, you know, I hear some of the songs on the radio, like Jesus Walks, and I'm like, that's fine.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
I think that Toast to the Asshole song was maybe a searching moment of, like, a pop song.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It seemed like he was taking the piss out of himself in a way that I realized probably wasn't sincere.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
In hindsight.
jordan holmes
I don't know how much of a...
What was that on?
What was that?
Dark Twisted Fantasy?
I don't know how much of that was a genuine soul-searching, especially now.
dan friesen
I realized the first time that he came into my orbit, or my sphere, was when he was a guest on the Dilated People song, This Way.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That was the first time.
Bananas.
dan friesen
I guess probably I'd heard of him maybe as a producer or something like that prior to that, because I realized that was on Neighborhood Watch.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which is their third album.
Right.
But I was thinking about that.
I was like, man, I haven't heard the Dilated Peoples in a long time.
When was that?
2004.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, how did you not hear of it?
The Blueprint, my man!
dan friesen
I also wasn't that huge of a Jay-Z fan, generally, either.
Or at least not listening to albums multiple times.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
kanye west
I get where you're at.
dan friesen
I liked what I liked.
jordan holmes
I get where you're at.
dan friesen
I'm not defending what I liked as great taste.
jordan holmes
I'm not fighting you.
dan friesen
I'm fine.
So anyway, I went back and I listened to the Dilated Peoples, and I enjoy that stuff.
unidentified
Holds up?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was pretty good.
jordan holmes
Nice!
That's a good bright spot.
dan friesen
Yeah, while I was working on some of this stuff to prepare the episode, I was listening to a little bit of The Platform and Expansion Team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good, solid albums.
I don't know what happened to them later.
I don't want to find out, just in case.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
There was one song, I can't remember which album it's on, but it's featuring The Alcoholics.
The Licks.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
One of them has a great lyric.
Batman can't walk through my hood.
There's no love.
Tash will jack him for his cape and sport that shit to the club.
jordan holmes
Always love that.
That's pretty great.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
That is pretty great.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
What was my bright spot?
I forgot.
unidentified
In the length of time that you...
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
My bright spot is my wife and I. We're enjoyers of The Amazing Race.
Sure.
dan friesen
You got me on it a little bit, too.
jordan holmes
Great show.
I love travel, and that's my favorite thing to do, you know?
Yeah.
And the final, the second to last episode, we watched it.
And there's this team of long-lost twins.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
And I can't not be in love with long-lost twins.
How do you not?
dan friesen
Especially when they're forced together.
I know!
jordan holmes
And they just love each other so much.
It's crazy how much I'm in on the long-lost twins team.
dan friesen
Let me ask you a small clarification.
Did they reconnect before the show, or is the show their reconnection?
jordan holmes
They found each other, like, right before the show.
dan friesen
Okay, good.
jordan holmes
And then the show was their, like, we're getting out of our normal everyday lives, and we're just gonna connect as long-lost twins.
dan friesen
Hey, long-lost twin, here's a guaranteed casting.
jordan holmes
We're getting through.
Exactly, yes.
Long-lost twins wins every time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If they'd met, like, ten years prior, then it might not have as much of the...
jordan holmes
Not as much fun.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Which is very cynical.
dan friesen
Well, I'm looking at it from an entertainment TV show perspective.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Want them to learn.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
So yeah, they were in the last place.
One of them, knee injury.
She's hobbling, right?
Last second, they come in third, they qualify for the final.
unidentified
Nice.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was just a great moment.
dan friesen
Be awesome if some other team gave them a roadblock.
Fuck these long-lost twins.
jordan holmes
How do you not root for long-lost twins?
I mean, they're long-lost twins!
Come on!
dan friesen
True.
I do enjoy travel as well, and I appreciate you selling me on the show.
Although, I do think there is something slightly...
Not great about it.
As much as they're jumping from location to location, there's not enough time to really appreciate all of the places they're traveling to.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But still, you get to see a lot of great stuff and a lot of cool cities.
jordan holmes
Well, in the last episode, they were in Iceland.
Iceland's a very small island.
dan friesen
Sure.
You were there.
jordan holmes
And I was there.
So my wife and I are watching it and just going like...
That was to remember that!
And then we're showing each other pictures of us.
It was great.
It was a fantastic time.
dan friesen
I've had that experience watching some things that go to Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I know that place!
So, Jordan, today we're going to be talking about December 1st, 2022.
The day that Ye went on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've been listening.
You know, I wrote back in the day, whenever we had a terrible website, me and Elfring and Drufki and Jack Baker and friends.
dan friesen
The Suburbs Comedy Crew.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Suburbs Comedy Crew.
I wrote this thing.
I had this little thing that I called 50 Spins, where I would listen to an album 50 times and then really get into each individual track.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like that.
and I did both Twisted Fantasy and Life of Pablo.
And so I was listening to that today, and I was really like, you know what?
I'm excited because I know Kanye's on, but I don't know what the content is.
dan friesen
Sure, we should be clear about that.
You only know that Kanye was on, or Ye was on.
You don't know anything about it.
You turned off the internet.
jordan holmes
I legitimately turned off.
I opened the browser at one yesterday.
It said Kanye was on, and I was like, good night, and I have not seen the internet since.
I'm excited because those albums really, I think, Prove to me that he's coming back.
This is going to be the interview where he takes it all back.
He reveals that this is a performance stunt.
He's going to do the whole thing.
dan friesen
He apologizes to Tim Pool.
unidentified
Absolutely!
jordan holmes
We're going to love him again.
This is what it's going to be.
I'm excited.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Anyway, we'll see if that's the case.
It's not.
But before we get into all this business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, the future ex-Mrs.
Alex Jones.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, drunken Irishman, a.k.a.
a perfect tool, a.k.a.
Grandmaster Squatch and the sneaky ham-thieving snakes.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Nick loves jewels, and this policy wonk shout-out will echo through the internet as an immutable monument to that love forevermore.
Forevermore.
All caps.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Loki, the best spectacly pup for the third anniversary of his adoption.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Also, sorry that's late.
Next, Nuthatch.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Tucker, parenthetically, the good one, not Carlson.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much, too.
Thanks for all the fish and whistleblowers.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, in cases like this, I often try to come up with some opening thoughts and some introductory comments, and I kind of failed to come up with anything.
It was really difficult to come up with a synthesis or a real point here.
Right, right, right.
We'll get to all of it as we go through it, but there's nothing I can really say other than Ye showed up after storming out of Tim Pool's show for Tim Pool not agreeing that they means the Jews.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And here we are.
jordan holmes
And here we are.
dan friesen
We know Alex is not great.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At interviews.
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
He's clearly in a subservient state.
Naturally.
He's flanked by Ye on one side, Nick Fuentes on the other.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And it's just, I mean, it's a train wreck.
This is just bad.
It's bad on a hundred levels.
And one thing that I think, I guess if I had to give an introduction, it would be that...
I've seen a lot of people talking about this and giving takes, and they're all wrong, but they're also all right.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That is where we exist in, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, there is a, hey, Ye says a bunch of terrible stuff.
Absolutely correct.
Also incorrect in as much as there's also...
Things that some people are missing that are really bad as well.
It's worse than just bad stuff.
jordan holmes
When I opened the internet and saw that Kanye was on, I stopped and I closed it.
Not least of which because...
I just can't ever believe that anyone in the media will listen to our How Not to Cover Alex Jones episodes.
And so the amount of failure and embarrassment I'm expecting from them is staggering.
dan friesen
Well, and the other thing that plays into that is there's this, like, even Alex is put off by...
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck off!
dan friesen
You know, there's some of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that there is a little bit of that.
But larger picture, there's a context in which he is put off and gives pushback.
And I think that that dynamic is something that is being missed by a lot of commentating on this.
So that's something that I'd like to pay attention to as we go through this.
But first, before we get into anything, here's another context drop.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
I'm just kind of not...
I'm not on the whole Jew thing.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
I'm not on the whole...
Jew thing.
dan friesen
And you can see how, like, he's, uh, struggling to, uh, to, you know, just put that into, uh, is my, look, man, I'm not into the world.
jordan holmes
I'm not, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, maybe that's you.
But that ain't me, man.
dan friesen
So, here we go.
We start off, I should say, just for a little bit of a context, Ye is wearing a full face mask, like a balaclava, but with no eye holes, and it's just a black mask.
Cloth mask over his face.
jordan holmes
Like he's a stagehand in a Broadway show?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
So he's invisible.
dan friesen
The whole show.
jordan holmes
The whole show.
dan friesen
He's in the background.
jordan holmes
Completely invisible.
I can't see him.
kanye west
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a little bit off-putting, just right out of the gate.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
It's Thursday, December 1st, 2022.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
And in studio, Ye is our guest.
You'll be here, it says, for the next three hours or so.
And also, America First leader, and that is Nick Fuentes, Ali Alexander, Owen Schroyer, and many others are also going to be coming through here today.
And Ye has arrived in a new ensemble here with us, but I'll assure you it is.
Ye, thank you so much for coming to Austin.
kanye west
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
alex jones
Where would you like to start?
This first little five-minute segment is just kind of a prelude to what's coming up.
What do you want to cover here today?
kanye west
Just God runs the world and Jesus is the way and the life.
And it's time to put Jesus first in the way that we run our businesses, the way we run our families, our businesses, and the way we run our country.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Radio listeners are on over 400 radio stations.
They can't see you right now.
This is a new look for you.
kanye west
Oh no, I've been wearing a mask for a while.
alex jones
This is an archetypal example that the mask is off by putting the mask on.
kanye west
People can take it how they want to take it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's wearing a full face cloth mask.
It's weird, but honestly, I don't really care if there's some kind of artistic meaning behind it.
There really isn't any point in saying he's going mask off because that mask's been off for a while now.
And I guess he could be aiming for something along the lines of rejecting his own celebrity and making himself appear to be an anonymous blank slate.
The only reason no one's kicked his ass yet is because he's yay.
Ironically, his celebrity status grants him the privilege to say this bullshit and people actually pay attention to it.
It seems like his main goal here is to say that we need to center things on Jesus, and that's all good and well to a point.
To say that people should put Jesus first in their homes is kind of an opinion that doesn't work for everyone, but it's not a problem so long as it's not something that's being imposed on people.
Suggesting that businesses and our country should operate in some religious fashion, however, is antithetical to the United States and our Constitution that Alex claims to love.
That isn't a problem for Nick and Ye, though.
They want to be a part of a Christian fascism that's completely disconnected from the liberalism that values things like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and free association.
It's unclear how much Alex is aware of that, but the people he's talking to say things that he likes about God, but they're advocates for a system that would completely destroy all of the things about America that he pretends to love.
Anyway, this is possibly as innocuous as Ye could have started off the interview, and already he's saying something pretty fucked up that Alex should push back on, but doesn't.
jordan holmes
Right.
I'll say this.
One, not concerned about Christian fascism so much, because I was reminded that if that were the case, then banks wouldn't be able to charge interest, so I'm sure that they would kill whomever got in their way.
I'm not concerned there.
And two, Puss Ye riot.
Huh?
Pussy Riot.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because he's wearing a bottle of cotton.
Pussy Riot.
You see what I'm doing there?
I see it.
Yeah, Pussy Riot.
dan friesen
I see it.
I apologize that I didn't grasp that immediately.
I'm on a light amount of sleep, I will say.
jordan holmes
I forgive you, but I'm pretty proud of that one.
dan friesen
So, um...
Look, there's a lot of stuff that comes off as kind of non-sequitry, and that's just the nature of having Ye talk on a mic, and this is a little bit of that.
kanye west
People can take it how they want to take it.
It's just, you know, it's interesting.
If you look at a Michael Jordan or something, you load up all these pictures, and he's smiling, and he's holding a basketball, he's jumping from the free throw line, and then you look at...
What?
That's my right.
unidentified
absolutely well that's that's that's what hollywood wants to do though is to control everybody through images exactly so i'm in control of my image now that's stupid Yeah.
dan friesen
Phil Knight is the co-founder of Nike, and there's tons of pictures of him smiling that you can find online very easily.
jordan holmes
I just don't know.
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
I will say that there aren't pictures of him dunking from the free throw line, but that might just be a skill problem.
jordan holmes
That is an issue.
dan friesen
Although Phil Knight was apparently quite an athlete back in his day.
Yeah?
Although that day was...
50 years ago.
jordan holmes
Probably a ways back.
Probably a ways back.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, Jordan had a Hitler stash, so you never know where things are going to land.
dan friesen
It's true.
And I bet Jordan couldn't dunk from the free throw line now.
Well, maybe now.
jordan holmes
Boy, I'm worried.
Honestly, only because you said that, he will hear it and go, I will fucking dunk from the free throw line.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because Dan Friesen said I couldn't do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's crazy.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, look, there's just, like I said, it goes all over the place.
Right out of the gate, Ye decides to touch on the issue of everybody being very mad about pedophilia-related issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good start.
dan friesen
And I think he has a bad take.
kanye west
You know, like, one of the big topics right now is all of the pedophilia advertisement.
And my take on that is, you know, there's one place in the Bible where it says God sees sin differently, and there's another place where it says, Yeah, let me get out my phone.
I can, like, really pull up the exact thing it says in the Bible.
Get your Bible out.
Take his phone away.
jordan holmes
Jesus didn't have phones.
kanye west
Stay strict to everything and remove as much sin as possible in order to serve God.
And when people look at pornography, when a grown man is looking at a grown woman have sex...
On camera, you're still looking at someone's daughter, and you're looking at, a lot of times, someone that is the product of pedophilia.
So people will engage in going to strip clubs or looking at pornography, but then the moral compass is like, oh my God, look at the pedophiles.
But in a way, anybody who looks at pornography is a form of a pedophile also.
Let's bank it all in.
It's very simple.
We're not going to be talking about all this moral code and these standards right here.
It's either Christ said so or Christ said no.
alex jones
Yay, powerful information.
I totally agree with you.
Back in 60 seconds.
dan friesen
Powerful information.
jordan holmes
Hey, quick question.
Christ, where do you stand on VR?
Can I have virtual reality sex?
Does that count?
dan friesen
Christ said no.
kanye west
When?
dan friesen
It's in Deuteronomy.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So this stuff that Ye is saying is not a new idea necessarily, but it's one that's pretty important to push back on.
The first thing that Merritt's pointing out is that it means nothing to say that a person in a porn film is someone's daughter.
That's just a way for Ye to couch a rigidly paternalistic and misogynistic view of the world into a form where he can present it as if it's based on some kind of a sincere concern or care for another person instead of what it is.
A lust for control over other people's lives.
The tell here is that he doesn't say that male actors in pornography are someone's son.
That isn't part of this, because at its core, it's really just a desire to exert control over women.
In 2013, the Journal of Sex Research published a study titled Pornography Actresses, an Assessment of the Damaged Goods Hypothesis.
This was a name given to a theory that higher rates of drug abuse, childhood abuse, and overall psychological problems led to women gravitating towards pornographic work.
The study took the histories of 177 women in adult entertainment and 177 women not in that field, and ultimately concluded that the two groups did not have a difference in terms of childhood abuse.
What Ye is saying has no connection to reality in the big picture.
There are certainly people in pornography who are survivors of childhood abuse, but that's the truth of people in journalism, marketing, or any other field.
Now, if Ye cared at all about this issue, the angle he could be taking is to discuss the abuse that happens within the adult industry, but that's a larger issue that I'm not entirely confident I can cover appropriately, perhaps another day, and Ye doesn't seem to care about that all that much at all.
The point here is that Ye is coming out of the gate hot with a complaint that feels different than his recent anti-Semitic outbursts, but it's actually not.
People like E. Michael Jones, who Nick Fuentes is a follower of, have been very public that they believe that pornography is a Jewish weapon against Christian society, so this is actually more on theme than it might appear to be.
And Alex isn't picking up on these threads, or if he is, he's not pulling on them at all.
Ye is just presenting this in a way that masks that underlying point, and so...
I mean, it comes off as if he's like, oh, you care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I mean, it's easier to look at a porn industry and be like, oh, see, look at all this thing.
Because you can process the abuse against women in a way that allows you to kind of internalize this.
Well, maybe they're kind of where they should be.
As opposed to dealing with the fact that all women in all jobs everywhere are subject to violence just by virtue of being women.
And more than 40% of them will experience it at some point in their life, regardless of what you do.
So yeah, maybe deal with the big problem.
But no, I think we should control their ability to do and say anything.
dan friesen
And I think that there is an element of this that is definitely rooted in these anti-Semitic narratives that people like E. Michael Jones and Nick Fuentes perpetuate.
But I think that there's another thread that relates to pornography that will sort of become more and more clear as this interview goes on.
Yeah.
It makes me a little bit worried.
But hey, there's worse things in this interview, so hey.
Well, you know.
jordan holmes
Don't miss the forest for the trees.
dan friesen
So, you know, we're clearly talking about Bibles and Bible stuff.
You said you're upset he has his phone.
He also has a Bible.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Well, now I'm feeling better.
dan friesen
So anyway, Ye decides to read a verse from Proverbs.
jordan holmes
Wait, how?
He's got his eyes covered in that balaclava.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think maybe it's one you could still see through.
I don't think he's blind.
unidentified
I think they should cover him up.
dan friesen
But also, let's be clear.
Bad idea to wear a full face mask when you're recording an audio thing.
jordan holmes
That's just me.
dan friesen
You're a little bit muffled.
jordan holmes
It's tough to understand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Some stations don't carry the first five, but you just dropped some bombs that I totally agree that are huge yay, so recap that and continue on, sir.
kanye west
Okay, so I looked this up.
It's about sin.
That's what we're going to talk about.
Sin.
jordan holmes
For the wages of sin is death.
kanye west
We need to do everything that we can.
We're imperfect, but to free ourselves of sin and repent for sin throughout the day, at night, and in the morning.
So right here, the Bible says right here, I know I'm going to do Corinthians 2, like Trump, you know, new Christian kind of reading of this.
So bear with me.
I love Jesus, but I'm not the most experienced Christian.
jordan holmes
Then shut the fuck up about it!
kanye west
616-19.
I'm sure that's the wrong way to read it.
alex jones
It's okay.
You got the floor.
kanye west
Okay.
Identify seven things that God hates.
Although there are not any punishments prescribed for those.
Scripture clearly indicates that God does view sin differently and that He prescribed a different punishment for sin depending upon its severity.
Now watch this one.
dan friesen
You get a little sense of, a little bit of insight about what's going on in this clip, but I need to stress this.
I'm never going to take religious advice from a new convert to anything.
If I need help understanding what a particular holy text says or what a religion is about, I'm going to talk to somebody who's studied it or someone who has a lot of time under their belt.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
The last person I think is a decent source is someone who is clearly in the grips of a public meltdown who's recently adopted a new religion and has decided they've figured it all out and they need to scream about it.
jordan holmes
It is an issue when that happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, enthusiastic.
But maybe not all that helpful.
jordan holmes
Oh man, you know, there's nothing better than a real brand new evangelical Christian.
They're not annoying at all.
dan friesen
So Ye is not reading a verse in Proverbs.
He's clearly reading some article about this verse, or maybe a blurb in like a study Bible.
The verse says, quote, There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him.
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into...
The only thing I think of when I read that verse is how guilty Alex is of so many of those things.
He's a complete liar.
He crafts wicked schemes constantly.
He bore false witness in his own trial.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
And his actions do little more than stir up conflict in the community constantly.
If Ye were serious about this at all, this appearance should be him confronting Alex about all this, but that's not what this is about.
It's...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's my problem, quite simply.
How do you not stop and think, wait a second, am I supposed to believe that the God who created the universe also wastes his time coming up with individual punishments for random sins?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's got all the time.
A day to God is a thousand years.
jordan holmes
Well, sure, but I mean, like, is that because he's bored?
And if you have a bored god, I want a different god.
I do not want a god that gets bored, because when I get bored, shit starts getting weird.
unidentified
You end up on Infowars with a balaclava on.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
No bored gods!
So yeah, he goes on to talk- Turn into swans and fuck a lady.
dan friesen
He talks a little bit more about this sin issue.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I found this interesting.
kanye west
Okay.
Now watch this one.
It says, where the phrase all sins are equal in the eyes of God comes from.
As far as I can tell, the most common argument for the belief that all sins are created- Now, I'm a big fan of Steve Jobs.
jordan holmes
Stop right there.
kanye west
So we can get into, you know, what...
What social media has done to families and all that.
dan friesen
I got three hours right I could tell at that point that yay was reading from something so I decided to try and track down the exact phrasing that he was saying and it matched one website word for word he's reading from a blog post on a site called equipping godly women website for quote busy Christian moms written by a woman named Brittany and no shade on Brittany but this isn't a source you'd pull from if you had a high minded and serious interest in discussing whether or not God believes all sins are equal from a theological
This is honestly a pathetic...
early in their Christianity, but it's because it's someone who's profoundly unserious about this.
Yeah.
unidentified
And is going on a national radio show, TV show hosted by a real piece of shit and expounding Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a weird thing to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a strange, strange thing to do.
Like, stepping back from the awfulness of it, just as a decision tree, you know, like the number of decisions that lead you to this point, that's a lot of bad ones.
Like, that's at least 40 or 50 bad decisions in a row.
Like, you could flip a coin.
Somebody convince him to flip a coin with all decisions, and we'll get 50 that are better!
dan friesen
Well, at least 25, right?
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, 50% that are better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
kanye west
Nope.
dan friesen
Make all bad decisions.
As will continue to be the case.
So like I told you, Ye seems pretty mad at pornography.
and he is a little illuminating.
kanye west
We have a mission right now to save our families from social media, from Zionist control, and bring Jesus Christ back to the forefront.
And we're protected.
I don't have security.
My security is the angels.
My security is the fact that I didn't load up pornography last night, and I There it is.
Whoa!
What?
That destroyed my family.
When I take full accountability for the destruction of my marriage, I'll point at the liberals and say, you took my wife from me.
You know what took my wife from me?
The fact that I was married to this beautiful person, but I felt like it wasn't enough.
I felt like I still needed to look at pornography.
In some way, I'd say to her, well, stop making these images.
Stop breaking the Internet.
That original term comes from my ex-wife actually having a nude photo that I didn't know about that someone...
Buddy, I got bad news for you.
What?
A couple quick points here.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
If pornography ruined Ye's marriage, that's Ye's fault, not the porn.
unidentified
You bet.
dan friesen
Even if we grant that he was addicted to the stuff, that's still his issue.
The dude just sounds like an angry loser who wants anyone else to be responsible for the situation he's in other than himself.
The way Ye is talking sounds intensely abusive, and I can totally understand Kim leaving.
He's claiming that he has a problem with porno, and his way of thinking he can deal with it is to exert control over how his wife appears publicly.
She won't let him control her, and thus it's her fault that he can't stop with his porn addiction somehow.
He's so averse to correctly assigning responsibility that he has to insinuate that Kim was duped into that picture.
It was a paste magazine, I believe, that broke the internet article.
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit about a Kardashian.
dan friesen
That's absurd, but in order for him to preserve the image of Kim as a good person and not part of the evil system that he's up against, she has to have her agency stripped away from her, and Ye has to not have been aware of that photo shoot.
It's just childish shit all around, and these are the kinds of issues that could really be helped with therapy.
So much of this is ego-based nonsense, and unfortunately, to confront these kinds of issues, you do need to approach them with a little bit of humility, and that just seems impossible for Ye at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it must be tough to have humility when the world was like, you're the greatest ever.
That's tough.
I recognize that.
That'll make a person go a little bit insane.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, when you get away with calling yourself Yeezus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and people are like, well, sounds good.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like maybe culture enabled this a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can barely take a compliment, and that dude was getting, you're the greatest human being alive shit.
Yeah, no, I get it.
I get why he's crazy.
dan friesen
So, people say that Ye is anti-Semitic.
People say that Nick Fuentes is a white supremacist.
jordan holmes
You know what's fun?
I think the only thing that they really have in common is saying the N-word more than a million times in private.
dan friesen
Well, and that they're Christians.
unidentified
Sure.
kanye west
People have heard from Nick, but people haven't heard from Nick with Ye standing right next to him.
That's the thing that the Zionists control, the 300...
In control of the media, in control of the governments, they don't want us to connect to each other.
Like my dad said, okay, they say you're an anti-Semitic, but they say he's a white supremacist.
And he's asking me...
Well, what's the difference?
I said, Dad, there is no difference.
It's just separation and confusion.
jordan holmes
That's actually an interesting thought.
kanye west
They want to separate and confuse the Christians and make us afraid to stand next to each other.
A Christian can stand next to anyone.
We can go visit Artelli in prison.
We can go talk to Harvey Weinstein.
alex jones
That's what Jesus did.
unidentified
Yes, because Jesus can save everyone.
kanye west
But if the Zionists can get us so afraid that they're going to do what they've been doing, Attempting to put me in jail, freezing my accounts, smearing me on the media.
You know, all of these things, you know, you put on the whole armor of God and they will not be able to break your spirit.
dan friesen
So it's really important to get clear from the jump that Ye isn't using Zionist in any context that doesn't just mean Jewish people.
This isn't someone who's making criticisms of the state of Israel, for instance, in terms of the treatments of Palestinians.
It's just someone using disingenuous language to make his anti-Semitism a little less transparent.
Also, there's no contradiction between Ye's positions and Nick's.
Nick is an anti-Semite, too!
He doesn't like non-white people, but a black man who's one of the biggest stars in the world who's shouting anti-Semitic shit at every opportunity, that isn't a high priority for Nick's hate.
He's generally more concerned about immigrants and birth rates of white people and the disenfranchisement of minority voters, at least as primary racism-based concerns for him.
Those are his primary issues.
And yet, Jesus did go hang out with marginalized folks in his time, like sex workers and tax collectors.
But he didn't go to the tax collector and then spend the rest of his career yelling about some idiotic shit the tax collector told him.
There's a little bit of a difference in terms of the goal of hanging out with creeps.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
He also didn't go to the sex worker and say that you shouldn't be allowed to do anything that you want and you got tricked into doing this and I don't think you have any agency and you should work for me.
Didn't do that.
He was like, hey, you're a good person.
dan friesen
How about you?
I guess Ye could...
He'd go and, like, evangelize to R. Kelly in prison, but he'd just go and, like, free R. Kelly!
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't...
kanye west
Kel's got set up!
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's a little different than how Jesus might approach these things.
jordan holmes
He could try doing that for non-famous people.
What if he did...
And I'm gonna throw this out there.
Now, maybe.
Maybe he's very insincere about his bullshit, partly because he is only concerned with other famous people, and regular people do not exist to him.
dan friesen
You know what, that may or may not be the case, but in terms of an interview like this, I'm gonna give it a pass, because you need frames of reference.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you can only really name famous people in order to make your points, but you're probably right.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, Alex is noticing some of this...
Maybe Jewish talk coming up.
jordan holmes
Noticing!
dan friesen
A little bit early.
jordan holmes
Just there?
unidentified
And maybe he's like, I gotta cut this off at the pass here.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Did he not watch the Tim Pool?
Never mind.
Of course he didn't.
dan friesen
It was 20 minutes.
He doesn't have time for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So he tries to do a little bit of his little Nazi deflections.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's fun.
kanye west
So where do you want to start?
alex jones
Well, I mean, I would just start with this.
There are good people from every group and every type of culture, and we all know that.
But definitely the left...
When it was America that defeated Hitler...
Paul's their opposition.
Hitler, when both my grandfathers almost died in the Army Air Corps, both of them almost died.
One of them crash-landed after a mission and got all broke up.
The other one got hit in a German air raid in North Africa, and he'd only done like 18 of his missions, and then he had a concussion, and he was the captain, and then his buddies went up the next day and blew up over Italy.
He was always freaked out.
I never really talked about it until he died, but when he died, we read the letters and all the awards he had and stuff and the things he did after that, and then re-upping and recommitting to the Army Air Corps.
So I take it as an offense to have...
George Soros and people that actually work for Hitler, rounding up people, tell me I'm a Nazi when I almost don't exist when my grandfathers went over there.
I've got a lot to say about this as well.
It's just nuanced with the whole thing that's going on.
But expanding on that, I want you to go wherever you want.
Let's just have you talk for 10-15 minutes more before me.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
We've got a lot to hear from Foyntes.
We want to hear from Ye.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
So this is really sad because I think that Alex thinks that this is going to be effective in cutting off the anti-Semitic stuff before it even comes up.
He really thinks that saying that he almost doesn't exist because of the Nazis and throwing out this bland-ass Soros lie is going to set the table where Ye can be presented as somebody who's saying controversial things but is being unfairly smeared by the ADL and Soros.
He clearly hasn't been paying close enough attention to what's going on if he thinks that because Ye doesn't give a shit about any of that and it's not going to stop him from saying the shit he's going to say.
If anything, saying that Soros worked for Hitler may be a compliment in Ye's eyes at this point.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Alex, like Tim Pool before him, wants to have his cake and eat it too.
He's so used to dealing with a completely different sort of figure because he mostly just swims in the waters of right-wing scam artists who are trying to use his platform to grow their own scams.
He almost exclusively works with con artists who have extreme right-wing politics they want to advance, but are also really worried about doing things that will hurt their ability to run their scams.
He's used to people who will equivocate or will accept his framing of their own fucked-up comments.
What Alex is doing here is giving Ye a template for how to proceed.
He's trying to usher him into a territory of anti-Semitic dialogue that won't get you in trouble because Alex knows that Ye is spouting straight-up anti-Semitism, but that isn't something Alex can profit off of without altering his position in the market.
Becoming more like Ye would involve scaring off older, more normie members of his audience, and without them, the pill sails crater and he can't pay overhead on the expensive-ass studio.
But, if Ye can moderate his position, they can make some money together, and Ye can still be super anti-Semitic.
Alex is trying to present him with a way to bake in plausible deniability, seemingly unaware that Ye isn't denying any of the shit.
Except the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll get to that a little later.
jordan holmes
Of course he denies the Holocaust.
Come on!
dan friesen
Alex has every reason to think that this would work.
Ye is there with Nick, and Alex has had to do this with Nick in the past.
I know for a fact that Alex was fully aware of Nick's white nationalism and neo-Nazi beliefs as early as CPAC 2020, and he didn't care.
He had Nick on repeatedly, gave him his own channel on Band.Video, and went on tour with him on the Stop the Steal crusade, and all of that was possible because Nick played along with Alex's moderation language.
But the thing is that Nick was playing along strategically.
He was following the exact plan that we heard him lay out on our last episode, where he wasn't showing his true ideology publicly because he needed to be a more acceptable face to closer the mainstream folks could accept.
Right.
unidentified
And then he could drop all the red pills he wanted when the time was right.
dan friesen
Alex willingly agreed.
Yeah.
These are the fruits of...
Letting a hyper-competent, charismatic Nazi hijack your platform.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, let's see.
Lindbergh did it, so that was good.
We've got precedent.
Not the first time that somebody who loves Hitler has run for president.
I mean, what?
What is this, the New York Times in 1936?
Come on.
How bad could it be?
Right?
dan friesen
So it turns out we know the team.
Is Nick, Milo, and Ye.
We know that from the Tim Pool interview, but it turns out this is a deeper crew than we realized.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It turns out Ali Alexander is a bit involved in this in ways that were not clear previously.
jordan holmes
Was Ye wearing a balaclava on January 6th?
Does anybody know where Ye was?
dan friesen
I can't confirm or deny anything.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But I do know that they're a SWAT team of truth.
jordan holmes
Great.
kanye west
Well, I said with Ali Alexander and Nick Fuentes that we're like the SWAT team of free thought, and I go in with this battle ram at the door, and then they come in with these laser beams and have that information.
And we work together as a team.
A lot of times in media, they want to single out one person and burn them to the core.
That is a Zionist approach, and they're asking me to use that same approach.
Well, hey, don't say all people.
just say specifically the businessman.
And then I go on Lex Freeman and I say who it's specifically, and that's still not enough.
They're still taking it too far.
Everyone knows and agrees now that it's like a reverse version of American history X, the scene when they put the guy's head against the curve and kick the back of it.
And now people are like, the curb is kicking the foot.
So-called crime doesn't deserve the punishment.
That's right.
alex jones
You're not Hitler.
You're not a Nazi.
You don't deserve to be called that and demonized.
kanye west
Well, I see good things about Hitler also.
I love everyone, and Jewish people are not going to tell me, you can love us, and you can love what we're doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we're pushing with the pornography.
But this guy that...
Invented highways.
Invented the very microphone that I use as a musician.
You can't say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I'm done with that.
dan friesen
So yeah, I guess Ali is part of the team, and it's a real solid team of losers that he's putting together.
kanye west
Woo!
dan friesen
Nelly.
So, you see here Ye airing some of the same grievances he aired in other appearances, and even making the same American History X analogy that he made on Tim Pool's show.
It's all stupid, very rudimentary anti-Semitic talking points, but what bears a little more attention is how Alex is once again trying to give Ye advice in the form of reframing a point he's making to make it plausibly acceptable to a wider audience.
Alex is trying to give Ye the out that he was just saying things and it's free speech and it's not like he's a Nazi or anything.
And then in response, Ye says Hitler did a bunch of good stuff, like how he invented things that he totally didn't invent.
Alex is not ready for this because it's supposed to be a bullshit.
Yeah, Alex is like, wait, hold on.
jordan holmes
Does Ye not understand that you're supposed to compromise your beliefs for money?
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What's going on here?
This is bonkers.
dan friesen
The world has gone mad!
There's this interesting dynamic where Alex is like, you've got to compromise these things and sort of negotiate this territory for money.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Nick is like, you've got to compromise and negotiate your positions in order to be able to be worse later.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's just like, fuck that, Nazis are good.
jordan holmes
No, I think Fuentes is loving this shit.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
One, he gets to ride the coattails of the blackface of white supremacy.
And two, who really cares about him?
Everybody cares about Ye.
So when Ye stops, he's got a higher profile, except here's the problem, all right?
There is no yay to Hitler pipeline.
I'm sorry.
I don't care how good dark fantasy is.
No one who likes Kanye's music is going to be like, well, I mean, if this guy likes Hitler, clearly that's the way to go.
Uh-uh.
No yay to Hitler pipeline.
That's too far.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
That's too far.
dan friesen
I think that...
Okay, yeah.
Here's what I would say.
I'm not positive that there is a direct one and then the other.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There is a roundabout way that this stuff that Ye is putting forth leads down a road towards Hitler.
jordan holmes
See, I think that's the interesting thing.
Ye's not doing the roundabout way that would lead towards Hitler.
Ye is going straight to Hitler.
He is hiling up and saying, come on, baby!
dan friesen
But this goes back to what he was saying about Ali Alexander, Nick, and him being this SWAT team.
And the metaphor that he's making is that he is like the battering ram that comes in and then...
And Nick is more like a sniper and does the more precise work.
And within that metaphor, he can go straight to Hitler and it's still not have the negative effect on that gradual path that the audience is meant to be walked down.
owen shroyer
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, currently, I'm just going to throw this out there.
I don't feel like Kanye is going to execute the plan the way they want it to go.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's a good executor of plans right now.
dan friesen
I would agree with you.
But the...
The essence of that that makes what you're saying not really all that comforting is that the battering ram does not have to be precise.
You don't need that person to necessarily be...
The wrecking ball is not meant to necessarily follow the exact plan.
You'll be a couple inches off here and there, and it all works.
Whatever destruction and all that is going on is all advantageous for someone like Nick.
jordan holmes
Well, let me throw this out at you.
A few inches one way or the other, no problem.
You're still hitting the same castle, right?
But if you go, say, a thousand feet the wrong direction and join the Nazis, I think that's different.
I think that's different.
dan friesen
Well, time will tell.
So anyway, Ye loves Hitler.
kanye west
This guy that...
Invented highways.
Invented the very microphone that I use as a musician.
unidentified
Diddy.
kanye west
You can't say out loud that this person ever did anything good.
And I'm done with that.
I'm done with the classifications.
Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table.
Especially Hitler.
How about that one?
Ari Emanuel, how you like that one?
Hey Ron, you gonna do anything to fix Chicago?
alex jones
Well, I am worried about the thousands of black folks down a month in Chicago, but let me explain, because that's a new question.
dan friesen
Ari Emanuel is Rahm's brother, and throughout this interview, Ye will repeatedly say that he wants to take Ari's wife into a private room and help her with her fashion line in a very Christian way.
Comes off a bit like a sexual threat, if I'm being honest.
Ari has never been in charge of Chicago, and Rom hasn't been mayor here since 2019.
He's the ambassador to Japan now, so I guess that would be a better reference to make, but who cares?
Also, there were 1,745 gun deaths in all of Illinois last year, but I'm not sure where these thousands of black folks dying a month number Alex is coming up with.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it relates to.
Eventually, they'll always just be like, oh, abortion!
dan friesen
Small point, there were also over 3,000 gun deaths in Florida last year.
Almost double the number in Illinois, but especially Alex never seems to yell at DeSantis about that.
Seems strange.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
dan friesen
Also, there were over 4,100 in Texas.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
Again, very strange.
jordan holmes
That's odd, because isn't Chicago supposed to be the most dangerous place on the planet?
unidentified
So deadly.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're all going to die.
I'm so scared.
dan friesen
So we remember from the Tim Pool interview that he really thought it was weird that Rahm Emanuel and Jared Kushner both exist and are Jewish.
jordan holmes
That is strange, if you're crazy.
dan friesen
He brings this back up because it's such a great point.
jordan holmes
Convinced me!
dan friesen
Yeah.
kanye west
My favorite thing that I got to say with Tim Pool was Rahm Emanuel was right there next to Obama.
Jared Kushner was right there next to Trump.
What do those two people, those two Zionists, I gave it away, have in common?
Neoliberalism?
nick fuentes
Absolutely, yeah.
You know, and it's interesting because you've been going on these interviews with Lex Friedman and with Tim Pool and Piers Morgan, and they always say, well...
Don't talk about a group.
Talk about the individuals.
And I want to point out, one, it's hypocritical because in the same interview, Tim Pool said, well, wouldn't EA be so great for the black vote?
You can say the black vote, but you talk about Jewish businessmen, and somehow that's a problem.
You can't talk about groups when it's one but not the other.
dan friesen
So here's that SWAT team dynamic in full display.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Ye says something inflammatory for attention, then Nick comes in and talks more calmly about it in a speech pattern of a debate team member, giving the appearance of credibility to what Ye just said.
We talked about it last episode, but this Jared and Rom thing is fucking stupid.
Just because it blew Ye's mind that two Jewish people worked in two separate administrations, that doesn't mean it's actually mind-blowing.
He might just be an idiot.
As for what Nick is saying, he's conflating two different things intentionally, but optically it works, and part of that is being done at Tim Pool's expense.
Tim is stupid and I hate him, but I still don't want him to be used as a punching bag by Nazis in order to make their dumb points look less dumb.
Saying that there's such a thing as the black vote is not analogous to saying that Jews run banking.
That is a false equivalence.
It would be a valid point if you were allowed to talk about the black vote, but not allowed to talk about the Jewish vote.
That would be where the difference would be something that you could point out, but that isn't what Nick or Ye points out because people talk about the Jewish vote freely.
This is the not very subtle sleight of hand that Nick is engaging in, and he's doing that trick because his point doesn't work without it.
It's a dishonest point designed only to excuse and justify anti-Semitic talking points, and someone like Nick is more than willing to display this high school debate-level tactic in order to sell his lie.
And Alex is fucked because he can't even out-argue a high school Nazi.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, personally, my issue here is...
jordan holmes
But...
Fuentes' point both is dumb and also is essentially, ah, see, Kanye can't be racist.
Tim Pool is also a racist.
dan friesen
Or it would be like, in order to say that Ye is racist, you would have to say that thinking the black vote is something is also racist.
That's a guess, but I don't know.
It's just awful.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, Nick is the worst.
nick fuentes
In the Talmud, it says that Jews have to treat Gentiles differently than they treat other Jews.
There's all kinds of examples of this.
They say that if you accidentally...
jordan holmes
Maybe religion is all dumb.
nick fuentes
How about that?
There's nothing even wrong with that.
There's nothing morally wrong with that.
They say that for a Jew to have sex with a Gentile is comparable to bestiality.
They say that the semen of a Gentile...
It's like that of horses.
jordan holmes
Well, that's just true.
nick fuentes
They also say that you can't give a gift to a Gentile.
A Jew is not permitted under the Talmud to give a gift to a Gentile.
They're not permitted to charge each other interest, but they're encouraged to charge Gentiles interest.
kanye west
What do they say about pedophilia?
nick fuentes
They say that that's, in some cases, listen.
kanye west
Well, here's what you're telling me.
In their holy book, it says it's okay.
To be pedophiles as long as it's not another Jewish person.
nick fuentes
That's something that came from Adam.
I'm not 100% sure.
alex jones
Well, let me just get this out front.
I believe in free speech.
dan friesen
Oh, good.
Okay.
So Nick is being entirely disingenuous as it relates to the Talmud and its relationship to Judaism.
Plus, this is a complete non-sequitur, since they aren't talking about the religion of Judaism.
They're talking about Jewish people.
What's going on here?
The Talmud is a gigantic document, which is a running discussion among rabbis between the 3rd and 8th centuries.
You can find a whole lot of commentary on the Torah, Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's important to understand that a lot of what's in the text is a document of a time, and that even within the Talmud, there's an evolution of thought.
dan friesen
Since the point of its writing, and since the point of all these things were written, Jewish thought has gone through further developments in the same way any religion is.
For instance, there's a whole lot of shit in the Bible that would get you the death penalty.
No!
unidentified
Very few Christians would even consider that kind of thing a...
dan friesen
That's so weird!
Yeah.
All this stuff is also Nick using historically anti-Semitic misinterpretations of the text in order to make accusations.
For instance, the pedophilia accusation often traces back to this passage in the Talmud.
Quote, This is a horrific-sounding passage because...
It appears that when it says it is ignored, that means it's okay for an adult to have sex with a child, but that's a fraudulent reading of the passage.
It's part of a section involving the particular details about a reverse dowry, the amount of man is required to pay a woman in divorce.
At the time, virginity made a person's reverse dowry be higher, so understood as it's actually written, the passage isn't about excusing pedophilia, it's making a hyper-specific point about dowries.
This has been used to accuse Jews of being pro-child molestation by virulent anti-Semites for a long time, and Nick is continuing that tradition on Alex's show, and he hasn't even met with a tiny bit of pushback.
Alex isn't equipped to have this conversation at all, and he's now in the position of allowing these two to hijack his show or be forced to kick them off, and he's not going to do that.
So, long day for Alex is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Long day.
jordan holmes
I love it when people bring up holy books.
It's great.
It is so great.
One, because it reminds me that all of your gods are stupid.
And actually, they're just dudes who are trying to control ladies.
That's pretty much it.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Argue all you want!
dan friesen
There is a lot of that strain in religions through history.
jordan holmes
I just don't give a shit.
dan friesen
You may not give a shit about that, but let me ask you this.
Do you give a shit about prop comedy?
jordan holmes
Depends.
At The Amazing Jonathan, you could consider him a prop comic in many ways, and I think he's probably one of the greatest.
dan friesen
Here's a prop comedy.
kanye west
Alex.
Yes, sir.
I've got the perfect answer for the ADL.
They are going to have to listen up.
What we did is we brought Netanyahu with us.
unidentified
I'm in the Twilight Zone right now.
kanye west
Netanyahu, what do you have to say?
What do you have to say to Alex Jones right now, Nick Fuentes and Ye?
It was bad.
It was bad for Trump to meet.
I had no idea your voice was going to sound like that, Netanyahu.
jordan holmes
Nice work.
alex jones
So you don't like Benjamin?
kanye west
I just heard about this guy two weeks ago since the tweet, and I thought he had a funny name.
dan friesen
Just thought he had a funny name.
jordan holmes
I didn't expect your voice to sound like that, me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you asked if he had a puppet.
He does not.
jordan holmes
He doesn't.
dan friesen
He has a net from a fish tank.
So that's Nat.
And then he has a bottle of Yoohoo.
jordan holmes
Ooh, alright.
dan friesen
So it's a pun.
jordan holmes
Nat and Yoohoo.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's good.
jordan holmes
I mean, they're worse.
I've seen Carrot Top come up with worse.
dan friesen
I mean, maybe.
jordan holmes
And he got a Vegas show out of it.
dan friesen
I haven't studied Carrot Top's work, so I'm not sure.
This is clunky.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
For one thing, because it's Yoohoo.
jordan holmes
There's an issue.
dan friesen
Right.
But also because you need two things to make the problem.
And they're not connected.
Also, you know, when people talk about Ye, oftentimes they excuse a lot of shit because he's such a creative genius.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
I present to you Netanyahu puppet.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's say Kanye has never...
Been funny in his entire career.
Let's just remind people of that.
dan friesen
Even punchlines and raps?
jordan holmes
He's really bad at rapping.
I don't know if anybody's noticed that before.
He's not a great lyricist.
dan friesen
I've heard he's the greatest rapper who's ever lived.
jordan holmes
He's one of the greatest producers that ever lived, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he was a great rapper.
dan friesen
I know one guy who disagrees with you.
His name's Yay.
jordan holmes
I miss the old Kanye.
I think he misses the old Kanye as well.
dan friesen
So Alex tries to make a little bit of a...
He keeps trying to equivocate on stuff about like, hey, you don't really mean this.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Yeah, yeah.
Come on.
dan friesen
It doesn't work.
alex jones
Do you guys realize that the British government created Hitler and the Milner group put him in power and there's something much more sophisticated?
I personally...
I think that most Jews are great people, and I understand there's a Jewish mafia, and they're used to demonize anybody that promotes freedom, but I don't blame Jews in general for that.
And there is a much larger eugenics, transhumanist, scientific elite agenda that's playing off.
kanye west
What about abortion?
It's 50% of black deaths.
There's over 50. Sure!
alex jones
Hey, one of the papers I had, you're like, you're the director today, it's fine.
Margaret Singer, Rockefeller-founded Planned Parenthood.
Came out today and said, because of your white guilt, white people need to give money so we can kill black babies.
I swear to God it's in my stack.
dan friesen
Oh, this is in his stack, but it never is...
jordan holmes
Never read?
dan friesen
Never.
He can't find it.
It's never produced.
jordan holmes
It would be a weird thing.
dan friesen
Well, because Ye is the producer and director today.
Apparently he's in charge.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he told Alex to get all the stacks of paper off the desk because it looked too cluttered.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I would have had it right here, but...
jordan holmes
What a delight.
I am finding this to be one of the great train wrecks I've ever seen.
It's not even begun?
Awesome.
dan friesen
It gets so much worse.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the problem that I'm having here is it is going too much worse.
To the point now where it's crossed into something ridiculous.
dan friesen
Well, he's pulled out a fishnet.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And done a little Elmo voice.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm...
dan friesen
And he told Alex to get rid of all of his papers.
He's clearly in charge.
Like, Alex is completely subservient.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
In a way that I have never seen before.
jordan holmes
Well, Alex is a star fucker, and yay is probably the biggest star he's ever met.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't think Rogan gets this kind of treatment.
jordan holmes
No, he doesn't, because Rogan's not yay.
dan friesen
Well, fair enough.
jordan holmes
Rogan can be Rogan all he fucking wants, but he's not yay.
The end.
The end.
Sorry.
dan friesen
But still.
jordan holmes
Your appearances on fucking Fear Factor are not going to compare to the college dropout.
It's not going to happen.
dan friesen
Let me ask you this.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
News radio.
jordan holmes
News radio?
Pretty great.
Pretty great.
It's better than Gold Diggers, at least.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, Alex really wants to try to push back somehow, while also being a bit anti-Semitic himself.
alex jones
I believe in First Amendment.
I believe in free speech.
I endorse you.
Say whatever you want.
Israel has, other than like Singapore and a few places, the most draconian mRNA injections in the world.
They have the highest death rate from the shots.
They are literally forcibly injecting them like Joseph Mingala and Jews are dying in mass in Israel.
So if the Jews are the secret group that runs it all, and I'm not denying that Jews run Hollywood, what I'm saying is...
kanye west
But the Zionists.
alex jones
Okay, well, why would the Zionists be killing Jews in mass in Israel with the poison shot?
kanye west
Because they work for Satan.
They don't work for God.
alex jones
Exactly.
So they create atmospheres that get Jews persecuted so they can control the Jews so they can kill them.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
unidentified
And you just did it.
alex jones
Just like George Soros helped round up Jews for Hitler, that's the next level.
Boom, we just got there.
dan friesen
You just got there.
jordan holmes
We just got there.
dan friesen
So Jewish people are not dying in mass because of COVID vaccines.
This is just a false premise Alex is deploying, but it's important to recognize a few things that Alex himself says in that clip.
These are not things that Ye is saying.
They are Alex.
First, Alex says that Jews run Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
So that's his position.
Not Nick's, not Ye's.
jordan holmes
I'm not...
Arguing that Jews control Hollywood.
dan friesen
That's Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Second, track the thought he runs out there at the end of the clip.
He brings up the fake information about Jews dying from the vaccine in Israel to be a counterpoint to Ye's assertion that Jews run everything.
How could they run everything if their own people are dying in mass from the vaccine in Israel?
It makes no sense.
Ye responds, it's the Zionists, they work for Satan.
And Alex says, exactly.
This makes absolutely no sense if you're trying to follow coherent thoughts.
Zionism is based around the argument that the Jewish people needed their own homeland, originally in terms of the establishment of Israel and eventually towards a movement to develop and build up Israel.
Apparently, according to Ye, these Zionists work for Satan and they're killing Jewish people in Israel, which runs counter to...
You know, the essential idea and facilitating point of Zionism.
Alex says exactly because he thinks he can work with that, since it fits into his anti-Semitic narratives about how the Jewish people have to create their own oppression so they can assert their political agenda.
Think about how he said that the ADL calls everyone who loves freedom Nazis so they can marginalize their political enemies.
Alex thinks that this is somehow elevated from Ye's anti-Semitic rhetoric, but in reality, he's as deep in the mud as everyone else on the show.
He's just insisting his clothes are clean.
It's really disgraceful and...
Yeah, bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I find that...
People are allowed to LARP as though, and I'm supposed to respect their belief system, insane.
I find it insane.
They are arguing about which of the Elven Lords actually serve Sauron.
And that's it.
That's what they're doing.
They're LARPing their balls off, and I'm supposed to pretend that Christianity's real.
I'm out!
I'm out!
dan friesen
Well, counterpoint to that.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
You would get deeply involved in an argument about which of the Elven Lords is...
jordan holmes
I don't even remember anymore.
You know what?
There were three elven lords, but the nine humans were supposed to die.
I don't even remember.
dan friesen
So...
Alex tries to deflect.
Obviously, a lot of times whenever anything comes up, like accusations of anti-Semitism or Nazi-ish tendencies, he deflects by being like, well, Soros rounded up Jews in the Holocaust.
And so he tries that, but listen carefully here to this clip.
Yeah, he doesn't care.
kanye west
In America.
alex jones
Yeah, stay there.
Stay there.
Nick Foyntes in the studio.
This is Uncensored, folks.
We're going to come back after this break.
And we're going to come back after the break and play a George Soros compilation of him on NPR.
unidentified
Don't forget about me!
alex jones
Him on NPR and him on 60 Minutes saying the best time of his life was rounding up and killing Jews.
Yay never killed any Jews.
So I want to know, how do I get the ADL to love me?
Do I round up Jews in Nazi Germany?
Do I get love then?
Schwarzenegger said he loved Hitler.
They gave him an award.
I'm just saying, I don't like Nazis and I don't like what some of the mafias are doing either.
dan friesen
So you might have heard there, I like Hitler.
unidentified
I like Hitler.
jordan holmes
I like Hitler.
Good dude.
dan friesen
So there is a really essential thing to understand here, and that is that Alex is constantly trying to not push back on the things that Ye is saying.
He's trying to reframe them in a way that they can both make money off of.
jordan holmes
Right.
I'm laundering.
dan friesen
Yes.
And Ye is not interested in that and constantly punctures the balloon.
Whenever Alex tries to say something like, Soros rounded up Jews.
Yeah, he isn't that.
He said, I like Hitler.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's essentially trying to be like, I don't want your sanitization.
Fuck you.
I'm saying what I'm saying.
Stop trying to clean this up.
jordan holmes
I genuinely think that...
The risk of people following Ye into right-wing supremacy is getting lower by the second.
In the same way that so many Star Trek episodes are like, oh, here's what we gotta do.
All of our weapons have no effect on the bad guy.
What we need to do is take the bad guy's energy and redirect it towards him and then they'll explode.
Exactly.
This is too much Hitler.
dan friesen
Well, see, but here's the thing.
I think that if you were to check in on responses to this in places like Nick's streaming platform, I think that what you need to frame this or you need to look at this as, it's less necessarily about directly Kanye leading people to this or Ye leading people to this.
And seeing it as an emboldening and...
Enabling point for people who are already of this ilk to push things further.
Ali Alexander is going to come on later, and the way he describes it is like breaking the Overton window.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that is, in and of itself, probably more dangerous than necessarily Kanye convincing people, hey, Hitler's pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That isn't necessarily the specific concern.
That you would have from this interview.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It is more of these other secondary and tertiary effects that it has on an already existing problem.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
And I understand.
I understand where you're going with that.
And it does seem to make sense strategically.
However, there's a reason that the Overton window has not broken.
There's a reason we call it moving the Overton window.
You can't break the Overton window.
They've tried.
They would love to break the Overton window.
That's why we are where we are with Republicans over the past 40 years slowly moving shit.
Because they can't!
dan friesen
Well, here's what I would suggest.
Maybe it's possible to break the Overton window and then it can be fixed.
We'll see.
Also...
Maybe it wasn't in the best interest of some of these Republican folks to break an Overton window.
Maybe shifting it is actually more what they would want to do.
And so maybe it's not proof that it can't be broken.
jordan holmes
It's entirely possible.
I'm telling you, I think they're making a huge mistake.
Or at least, actually, I think we're going to get off great on this one because they fucked up.
That's my feeling on this.
dan friesen
I'm not quite as sunny about it as you.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, Alex, one of his great retreats in times of trouble is, hey, buddy, we're just doing a First Amendment thing.
jordan holmes
It's free speech.
dan friesen
And so he tries to do that.
And again, yay doesn't give a shit.
alex jones
My mission here today...
...is to offer the First Amendment because as long as you're not carrying out violence against someone or asking people to be violent, like the left asked people to burn down cities and attack Republicans and celebrate a Rand Paul and Scalise being shot and attacked, then you have your free speech.
And when the left came out in the last 10 years and really accelerated the last five, six, it said white people are inherently evil because of the color of their skin and that somebody that...
Who moved here as a kid from Poland, they're supposed to pay reparations for what people did hundreds of years ago in this country.
It's a divide-and-conquer strategy.
I'm not getting into the reparations debate.
I'm saying the groups pushing reparations are trying to cause division.
And so, I've said it, the most Nazi-like activities I've seen, and the Nazis, in my view, were thugs that shook people down and did a lot of really bad things.
kanye west
But they did good things, too.
We're going to stop dissing the Nazis all the time.
alex jones
Okay.
We're going to get to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I wouldn't either.
Alex is trying so fucking hard to sanitize Ye here.
he's doing literally everything he can and yay just doesn't want it alex doesn't seem to understand that every time he tries to equivocate or offer up ways to launder the anti-semitic points yay is making yay is going to derail it because he means what he's saying.
He's not playing games like Alex and all of his other fucking idiot friends are.
Yep.
unidentified
Also, hooray for the First Amendment.
dan friesen
The government didn't arrest Ye for saying any of this shit, and the worst that's going to happen from it is that people are going to say mean...
And deserved things about him.
And maybe if he has any sponsors left, they could bail on him.
None of that's a violation of free speech at all.
And if anything, I think he's had a little bit too much of free speaking lately.
jordan holmes
One could argue.
unidentified
One could argue that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Not wise.
Not wise choices that are being currently made.
dan friesen
Legal.
Free to do.
jordan holmes
We gotta stop bad-mouthing the Nazis.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
They get a bad rap.
jordan holmes
They really do.
I think it's time for us to take a long, hard look at the Nazis and really focus on the positives.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, uh...
dan friesen
You gotta look at it from a Reich hat-full approach.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
Well done.
dan friesen
I'm not that tired, apparently.
jordan holmes
Well done.
Alright.
Show over.
dan friesen
If only.
So Alex tries to get real personal here.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because he really wants to bring home to Ye that these are, you know, the Nazis are bad folks, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It wasn't good stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ye doesn't care.
alex jones
I don't want to get digressed into this, but remember I told you a story about my grandfather growing up in the richest neighborhood in Dallas and down the street was a famous German-American inventor.
And he was a first-generation person.
He'd come here when he was a little kid on a ship, and he yelled a bunch of patents on refrigeration and air conditioning.
And my grandfather worked at the time he was about eight years old because he took him under his wing in his little tinkering factory.
Then he had factories in places like Detroit that they actually built the stuff.
And my grandfather, the main reason he joined the Army Air Corps, he told me, he didn't tell me a lot about this, he just told me this story, was because he watched that man very quietly, once Hitler got power in the 30s, suck every dime out of him, or he would kill his relatives in Germany, and that guy was blonde-haired and blue-eyed, was as German as you can get, as Arnold Schwarzenegger, or as Teutonic, as Germanic.
And the point was my grandfather saw that.
So I understand you're opposed to other forces, but I don't think them thinking other forces in history that are lionized, that's my personal experience of what my grandfather, Clyde William Hammond, told me.
Does that make sense?
kanye west
Not totally to me, but it's, and I'm not saying that to be disrespectful, I'm saying it literally doesn't totally make sense to me.
I'm following it.
But I was just thinking about Satan, that whether it's the Zionists or Hitler, it's not the person, it's Satan using the people that are controlled by demonic forces.
But what I'm going to say is the Jewish media has made us feel like the Nazis and Hitler have never offered anything of value to the world.
dan friesen
Oh, so the Jewish media has told us that the Nazis do anything good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Man, this is some high school edgelord shit that Yang's coming up with.
jordan holmes
But isn't that the devil telling us not to believe that Hitler is good?
But also, isn't Hitler controlled by the devil?
dan friesen
It would be the devil possessing the Jewish media in order to say that the devil possessing Hitler didn't do anything good seems against the devil's purposes.
jordan holmes
Now, I feel like maybe one problem...
Boy, I'm confused.
That we're not getting at right now is one that Kanye may have just elucidated very, very clearly, which is that he does not understand a fucking word anyone is saying to him now.
Zero words.
dan friesen
And he just wants to say shit.
jordan holmes
He just wants to say shit.
He can't follow an argument.
What are you going to convince him of?
Why would you even argue with Kanye?
He doesn't understand you.
dan friesen
Right.
This shouldn't be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Alex should hang his head in shame that he's even doing this.
Totally.
jordan holmes
Alex said something very simple, and Kanye said, I literally don't understand you.
I was thinking about Satan.
At which point you go, fine, goodbye.
dan friesen
But on some level, I really think that that was a, I don't care what you're saying, more than I don't understand.
jordan holmes
I think it was a literal, I don't understand, I cannot follow what you are saying.
dan friesen
That may be.
That may be.
So, we had the introduction of Ali Alexander as part of the crew.
And it turns out there's another guy who's in the mix.
kanye west
I got some jokes here from Owen Benjamin that I want to read about Ben Shapiro.
Hey, Candace Owens, unplug this robot before he runs his mouth.
Ben Shapiro's cardio is picking up shackles.
Shapiro can tell how much change is in your pocket just from hearing a jingle.
jordan holmes
That's an old one.
kanye west
Shapiro is just mad that Kyrie won't sign his basketball.
Back to you, Alex.
alex jones
Nick, you're sitting over there.
You want to say something?
nick fuentes
Yeah, well, I agree with yay.
dan friesen
So, for those of you who haven't paid close attention to this, Owen Benjamin was a shitty, pretty racist comedian who made, you know, he became a side member of the intellectual dark web.
He was like in the Kill a Bees to the IDW's Wu-Tang.
He was like Street Life or Kill a Priest.
jordan holmes
Nobody was too into him, but he was there.
dan friesen
He also frequently hosted the fourth hour of Alex's show and was essentially also one of the Kill a Bees of the Info Wars crew.
At some point, he started to get really into Hitler, so Infowars and the IDW both decided it was no good for business, so he went off to the woods where he did drunk livestreams where he'd talk about how great the Nazis were and call himself Big Bear.
Things didn't get better from there, and just the other day, Milo posted a picture of Owen wearing a Yay 24 jacket with the caption, Are you getting it yet?
If anyone needs it better spelled out, the embarrassing loser Nazis who we all decided we didn't want around are banding together and Ye is acting as the battering ram that's bringing them back into the public eye.
It's dangerous, it's unacceptable, and no matter how many times you may hear someone try to play this off as a joke, it's not.
Also, Owen Benjamin is painfully not funny.
As a matter of research, I decided to watch some of his more recent stand-up and the jokes that Ye is reading, they're about on par for his talent.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Maybe the funniest thing that Owen ever did is after he had a falling out with Alex, he took to his live stream to drunkenly shit on Alex from the woods.
unidentified
I do have an apology to do today.
I was wrong about Alex Jones.
A bunch of people told me that he was a shill, and I backed him, and I was like, no, he's a good guy.
No, total shill.
So I apologize.
I should have listened to you guys.
He's a...
He's terrible.
Like, legitimately laughable.
Like, he won't even have me on now because of the Jew talk.
Alex Jones.
Such a shill.
I even texted him today.
owen benjamin
I said, when no one stood up for you and everyone treated you like garbage, I went on your show to circle the wagons.
When you were flipping out about Rogan, I had your back.
unidentified
I said, you should sell your bridge-burning business.
You'll make more money than your fake boner pills.
dan friesen
Good bet.
unidentified
He was like, well, we should talk.
No, no, no, no, no.
You are a disgusting little weasel.
So, for all the people out there that told me, you know, I believe in people until I don't.
That's just something you have to understand about me.
I'm a liar.
No, it's because of Jew talk.
He's funded by Jews.
Like, that's the fact.
dan friesen
He goes on a while complaining about Alex in the Woods.
unidentified
Sure.
And I'm not even starting a feud with the guy.
owen benjamin
He's so short and fat and dumb and drunk that, like, I don't...
jordan holmes
Can't argue.
unidentified
It's just, he would call me and rant about Joe Rogan saying he's a Satanist and he works for the CIA.
And I would just sit there.
owen benjamin
One time I was having a meal with my family and I said, listen, I told my wife, I was like, I just have to, just give me a minute.
unidentified
He's my friend.
He seems like unhinged.
And so I listened to Alex rant on and on and on about Joe Rogan being a Satanist because I thought he needed it.
owen benjamin
And then he turned on me just because I make fun of Jews.
unidentified
And I was...
jordan holmes
I mean, you understand at least.
unidentified
When people would attack Alex, I was very decisively standing up for Alex.
And I apologize.
You guys were right.
owen benjamin
All the thousands of people that said Alex Jones is a shill.
unidentified
He's a sad little man.
He's a liar.
I said, no, he's not.
Just because we disagree on things doesn't mean anything.
No, he's a bad dude.
Bad dude.
So, my bad.
dan friesen
Alex hearing Owen Benjamin's name be brought up should make him a bit worried about Ye and Nick's real intentions, or at the very least make it clear to him that they aren't going to listen to his softball attempts to whitewash their bigotry.
Reading off Benjamin's jokes is in some way a coded act that Alex should take to be meaningful.
Because he has history with Owen, and it's not good.
unidentified
I mean, Jesus Christ.
Yep.
jordan holmes
These are just bad people.
Like, on a level of, you know, you don't try and call people...
Because that dehumanizes them.
But if you were going to, there would be some candidates.
dan friesen
It's an interesting collection of volatile bad folk.
And, I mean, if there is...
I don't agree with your sort of sunny disposition towards what this portends a little bit.
But if I were to take anything as like a...
This might not be the worst thing ever.
It's that these people, particularly the ones that are rallying around, are not people who will put up with each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, these are the dumbest second-string assholes.
dan friesen
And they will come to head.
They will butt heads with each other.
You can't have this kind of a crew.
Of people who have...
They have well-documented histories of burning folks, and it's not going to work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it does...
dan friesen
Not long term.
jordan holmes
It does feel like the abdication of any and all responsibility from folk to deal with this.
Is also evidence that maybe the only people who can kill Nazis are Nazis themselves, you know?
dan friesen
That's poetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, I mean, I think, you know, you think that things are sort of handled or managed, you know?
Owen Benjamin's marginalized and he's off ranting around a campfire drunk in the woods.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
Apparently he's gonna, you know, someone like Ye does what he's doing and Owen Benjamin's gonna come back around.
Milo is roundly cancelled and everybody's sick of his bullshit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
To the point where he has to rebrand as no longer gay.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And, you know, you think you're never going to have to hear about him and then, no, Ye brings him along.
It's, uh...
He has a resurrected power for forgotten Nazis.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I'm going to tell you this, though.
I don't think those jokes are going to vault Owen Benjamin into the next level, though.
I'm going to throw that out there.
I don't think those are bringing the heat.
dan friesen
Well, his original jokes didn't either.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a tradition for him.
So anyway, the Nazis are bad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But hey, man, the U.S. is bad, too.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Great.
nick fuentes
People talk about Nazis and Hitler, but the United States had camps as well.
The United States put the Japanese in in Birmingham.
alex jones
The United States injected black people with syphilis.
nick fuentes
Yeah.
alex jones
No, no, I totally agree with you.
kanye west
The United States has Instagram selling pornography to little kids, and people are selling it.
jordan holmes
I think you might be preoccupied with your own addiction.
alex jones
So is your point, let he without sin cast the first stone?
Throwing that out there.
kanye west
Instagram is a prostitution rink.
I went 30 days off of Instagram and it was the best part of the fast.
Me getting kicked off of Instagram was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Because when I go to it, it's like watching it with the They Live goggles, which is something that Owen Benjamin, you guys got to pull this up.
Dave Chappelle is a hack, and he gets a lot of jokes from Owen Benjamin.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I mean, I knew Owen used the N-word a lot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
That's true.
He's got that.
dan friesen
Chappelle stole that.
jordan holmes
He stole the N-word from Owen?
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, back in, like, what was it, 93?
kanye west
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Owen Benjamin brought together, like, Talib Kweli.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
He had Owen Benjamin's block party.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At a campfire in the woods.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Can you...
Oh, God.
Stop and think about...
dan friesen
Chappelle stole that.
jordan holmes
Stop and think about...
The tragedy of Chappelle's block party.
The downward trajectory of all of those people.
If they, oh my god, they should do like an animal house where are they now thing after, at the end of that.
Dead Prez is the only people still good.
Are they still good?
dan friesen
Are we sure about that?
jordan holmes
I don't even know anymore!
They seemed like they would be great forever, but who knows?
dan friesen
Well, I know that one of them was named Stickman.
unidentified
No relation to base Stickman.
jordan holmes
Uno, yeah.
A1 Uno, he's probably still good.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not sure.
But yeah, I was just trying to think of more fun ways to pretend that Owen Benjamin wrote off.
All these great things that Chappelle stole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, a lot of 18-year-old comedy phenom prodigies stole everything from Owen Benjamin.
That's what happened, yeah.
dan friesen
He wrote all the sketches on Chappelle's show, really, actually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that pimp one is really offensive now.
Knowing that Owen Benjamin wrote it, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
But here's the thing about Chappelle, man.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Not only a hack.
He also doesn't believe in Jesus.
kanye west
Deja Pell went on a Jewish platform and said, Deja Pell said they dropped that nigga talking about yay.
And he called me Kanye.
And I'm supposed to be his friend.
Dave Chappelle does not believe in God and does not believe in Jesus.
These are the kind of black leaders that the Zionists put in front of us.
And meanwhile, we want to knock Herschel Walker, but Herschel Walker changed his life for Christ.
And he might have had abortions, but he doesn't believe in abortion.
alex jones
He doesn't have a kid.
jordan holmes
He needs aborted right now.
alex jones
Go ahead.
nick fuentes
Yeah, I agree with Ye.
I think that it's time that America has a fearless, visionary leader who serves Christ, who wants to bring the future forth in engineering and theology.
I think that when you look at the options that were offered, and I said this on my show the other week, and the news said, oh, he supports DeSantis.
I said the moderate Trump...
kanye west
Who is DeSantis?
Nobody even knows.
It's just somebody that all the left are all assembled.
alex jones
Let me raise that.
Let me raise that since you guys got into this.
dan friesen
So all this is just rambling nonsense, but I want to point out how much of a worm Nick is.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
He is a smart fucking worm.
jordan holmes
What a worm!
dan friesen
He essentially doesn't speak unless prompted, and as soon as Ye interrupts him, he drops whatever thought he's making and shuts up.
You may notice that he starts just about every sentence with, I agree with Ye!
jordan holmes
I agree with Ye!
dan friesen
He's doing such a great job of ingratiating himself here.
Ye should be really worried about that because that is not Nick-like.
That dude is a leader, not a yes-man.
So if he's acting like a yes-man, there's another plan he's working on that you might just be a tool in.
I would be aware of that if I were Ye.
jordan holmes
You are all...
I'm mad.
The world is dumb.
If you are letting Nick Fuentes manipulate you, you're dumb.
The end.
dan friesen
End!
Well, if that's the case, there's probably quite a few dumb people out there.
So, Nick gets to explaining how Trump and DeSantis are both beholden.
nick fuentes
So the moderate Trump versus DeSantis will not produce any outcome where America or Jesus is put first.
DeSantis is mobbed up with Israel and Mossad.
Donald Trump, his speech, his announcement was written by Jason Miller, who's controlled by foreign interests.
If there's a Republican primary between them two and they go up against Biden or they go up against Newsom, there is exactly zero chance that we get any kind of regime that's going to deliver the real change we need.
kanye west
Nick, I got a question.
If I say something that's provocative, Hey, I'm the head of the Mossad.
I'm gonna kill you and take your children away from you.
jordan holmes
This is fucking great.
kanye west
Back to you, Alex.
alex jones
Please turn your microphone around, sir.
I'm definitely overwhelmed here right now.
Infowars.com, tomorrow's news today.
dan friesen
Killing it, Alex.
Killing it.
jordan holmes
Just somebody watching this going, these guys know what's up.
dan friesen
Yeah, Owen Benjamin's watching.
He's like, he stole my misogynistic joke.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Everyone's ripping off Owen Benjamin.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
This whole game.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex kind of realizes things are a little bit off track.
So he tries to bring things to the center.
But unfortunately, the closer you get to the center, the closer you get to the net.
alex jones
Listen, all I'm trying to get through here is I believe every group should be able to...
kanye west
I switched his name to Netton.
I dropped the Yahoo so we didn't have to...
I was tired of picking up the Yahoo and the Netton.
So for now, he's just Netton.
I know some people call him Bebe.
I know some of you call him Yahoo.
unidentified
But we're going to call him Netton.
kanye west
What you want, man?
Hey, yay, right after this, I'm going to say you're crazy.
I'm going to take your family away from you.
unidentified
We're not done with...
jordan holmes
He's real lousé faire about that.
unidentified
We have to control the banks, and we have to go and kill people.
kanye west
Also, we're in a bad area.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
unidentified
Good character work.
alex jones
And in a little while, hopefully you're going to take the mask off.
Is this actually yay here?
Folks, the mask is coming off in a little while, hopefully.
We're going to be able to have a discussion about this.
But I mean, seriously.
You have the globalist pushing a poison shot that's already killed 20 million people that they admit doesn't work, and then you're the bad guy for criticizing a group.
What I'm saying is when the left said white people are inherently bad because they're white the last six, seven years.
They opened the gates up, so what did they expect?
dan friesen
What did they expect?
Ye was going to be a complete anti-Semite because the left said that white people are bad.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
Come on!
Okay, this would break my heart if it was genuine, but if it turned out to be a stunt, all right, if he took the mask off and Doom was still alive.
That would be the fucking ultimate Doom moment.
dan friesen
You mean MF Doom, not Victor Vaughn Doom?
jordan holmes
No, of course.
MF Doom.
If it was MF Doom...
dan friesen
I guess he does go by Victor Vaughn.
jordan holmes
He is in the past.
He has.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think he called it Uckapon.
dan friesen
No, I don't think that would help.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
Ah, boy.
It'd be pretty funny.
dan friesen
It would be interesting.
jordan holmes
Explain to me how it is we are supposed to have Alex being like, oh, I think the problem is the left, when this is in response to, I'm Netanyahu, I'm going to kill everybody.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
What are we doing?
It's incredibly anti-Semitic puppet act with a fishnet.
jordan holmes
I know this.
I guarantee this.
Every headline.
Every single headline is going to be something like, yay loves Hitler, or some bullshit like that.
dan friesen
That's what a lot of the response is.
jordan holmes
They're all stupid.
They're all wrong.
Everybody should be ashamed of themselves, because what the headline should be is, yay brings Net and Yoohoo to make fun of Net and Yahoo.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
The end.
Yay does bad prop work, bad pun work.
Yay clearly struggling with sexual problems.
Actually, that would be a bad headline.
I think that's probably inappropriate.
jordan holmes
That wouldn't work.
Although it would also kind of explain 40% of everything that he's saying.
dan friesen
I mean, he won't stop.
I mean, the issue that it comes into there is that it does feel like there's something really, really personal and his problem that's being the sort of...
Foisted and projected on somebody else.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then it's also a classic and quite popular anti-Semitic trope that's used.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
So, like, that gets murky if you just try and say, like, oh, he has a problem with porn or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm just already reading these articles in my head because I've read so many of them, but it's going to be, like, on a freewheeling interview or on a sometimes disjointed interview.
Kanye said that he loves Hitler or something like that.
Instead of being like, this was a ridiculous fucking display of absolute nonsense with a white supremacist just jerking Kanye off while Alex Jones pretends that he doesn't like anti-Semitism.
It's insane.
Don't say...
dan friesen
But, you know, it is also a strategy of...
Folks who have extreme opinions like this to make themselves laughed at.
Well, and instead of- Because it softens and dulls the, you know, in the same way that even you were kind of succumbing to that in as much as, like, you don't think that this is going to be, like, a pipeline to- I don't think it is!
jordan holmes
I think that- I think the more that you put the, like, this is serious.
This is a serious interview.
Yay!
Says he loves Hitler!
The more you're doing for loving Hitler than Ye is.
Because Ye is making it look like loving Hitler turns you into an insane crazy baby with dancing around with nets and yoo-hoo.
That is what Ye makes looking Hitler love look like.
They're gonna make it look like Ye is a fucking out-and-out Hitler lover, when in reality, he's absolutely lost his fucking mind.
dan friesen
Unless you believe that this is sort of an act of trolling and trying to jam your shit into a place and make it viewable by a wide audience.
jordan holmes
Right, and that's what they're doing.
Right.
And that's what the media is helping them do.
dan friesen
Eh, perhaps.
So, uh, this is a, you know, Ye is still a rapper.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
You know, and, uh, this is kind of a nice rap brag about anti-Semitism.
alex jones
It's wrong for the ADL to have what are very racial policies.
kanye west
The ADL is played out.
Nobody knows who the ADL is.
Stop giving them attention.
Nobody cares about the ADL.
ADL, shut up.
alex jones
Well, they run all the censorship and everything.
kanye west
They don't run anything.
They're played out.
We run the streets.
alex jones
Well, I'm singling out the ADL.
kanye west
We don't know who they are.
No one in high school knew what the word anti-Semitic was until Ye made it popular.
alex jones
No, I hear you.
It's definitely a tiger by the tail.
jordan holmes
AP American History, no one knew what the word anti-Semitic meant until they found out Ye was doing it in 2022.
unidentified
I put anti-Semitism on the map.
dan friesen
Great.
kanye west
Cool.
dan friesen
Not true, but also...
Fucked up way to think about yourself.
jordan holmes
Yay said he invented anti-Semitism.
That's your headline right there, buddy.
dan friesen
So Nick says some dumb shit, and then something kind of weird happens.
nick fuentes
The definition of anti-Semitism, according to the State Department, is...
If you say Jews have any allegiance to Israel, it's anti-Semitic.
If you say that Jews have any kind of conspiratorial influence in America, it's anti-Semitic.
So we're supposed to believe that if Rahm picks up the phone and gets on a call with Zeke and Ari...
And they talk about their jobs, which are running Hollywood and running the Obama White House, a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Still?
nick fuentes
We acknowledge that happens.
We're called anti-Semitic.
But it's the truth.
It's the truth that they make those calls.
And it doesn't mean that every Jewish person is in on it.
There are good Jews like Darren Beattie and Laura Loomer.
And, you know, there are lots of fine people.
kanye west
What's that Laura Loomer call in?
Also, it's like there's people that are basically hiding me under.
Their floorboards right now, under their wooden floors, it's like a reverse version of the Holocaust.
Because there's Jewish people that saw how I was treated, and they're like, this is wrong.
This guy just gave an opinion.
I didn't cause any harm.
I didn't harm anyone.
All I said is...
And I spelled it wrong because I was drinking alcohol.
And we see the Bible says you can drink, but the king should not drink, right?
And I shouldn't have been drinking.
I shouldn't have said that.
jordan holmes
And that's why Elvis died.
kanye west
That was a $2 billion tweet, basically.
I know you know about getting sued.
alex jones
I hear you.
So let's expand.
Yeah, that's also drinking.
dan friesen
It's not anti-Semitic to say that some Jewish people have a support for and even a sense of allegiance to Israel.
It is anti-Semitic the way people like Nick insist that all people who are Jewish should be suspected of having dual allegiance and that their loyalties aren't with the country they live in and of which they are a citizen.
This is a classic trope that's been used to alienate and ostracize Jews historically, and Nick understands that.
His game here is weak.
jordan holmes
Nick is the one who brought up the Japanese internment camps.
He...
I mean, it's...
Yeah.
dan friesen
His example of a conspiracy within the Emanuel family is equally stupid, which is what he was bringing up there.
Ari is a powerful figure in the entertainment industry, but that's not the same thing as running Hollywood.
Nick is saying that because he's a Jewish person in this position of influence, whereas he wouldn't say the same of a non-Jewish person with a similar level of clout saying they run Hollywood.
Zeke Emanuel wasn't just part of the Obama team.
He was the chief of the bioethics department of the NIH from 1998 to 2010.
And Rahm was Obama's chief of staff for about a year and a half just after he was elected.
The three of them are successful people and are related, but Nick has no proof that they called each other and coordinated about how they would control politics in Hollywood.
That's ridiculous, and it's patently anti-Semitic as a suggestion, and it makes sense that that's where Nick's mind goes and how it works.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, by his own reasoning...
If there were three white brothers doing that, then it would be a white people conspiracy.
dan friesen
I mean, it would have to be.
jordan holmes
And that means that all white people are evil.
Or it means it is 100% okay for white people to do a conspiracy and 100% evil for Jewish people to do a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Well, it's suspicious when Jewish people do it.
To Nick.
jordan holmes
That's exactly.
dan friesen
But it's really cool how Alex and Ye can bond over how they did reprehensible things that cost them north of a billion dollars because they were both drunk.
Cool guys to look up to, all in all, I would say.
Cool, cool, cool drunk guys.
jordan holmes
You know, I find it hard to think of a better stop drinking...
Kanye and Alex Jones collectively lost several billion dollars all due to drinking.
dan friesen
And you know what's super cool about it?
I'm saying this is cool because it's so cool.
The way that both of them responded to it by not learning a lesson and continuing to do the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's really cool.
I think the D.A.R.E.
program when I was growing up really lost its good example.
They just never had a chance.
They were dead in infancy.
They were ahead of their time.
dan friesen
If only.
jordan holmes
If only.
dan friesen
So yeah, Laura Loomer ends up calling in and she...
jordan holmes
This is just chaos.
dan friesen
She ends up talking on a speakerphone because Ye doesn't want to put in earbuds.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
They're evil.
That's how the people control your ears.
dan friesen
And because he has a full balaclava on and he doesn't want to take it off.
alex jones
I don't hate anybody because of their religion or their background.
And there's great people from every organization, and I think...
kanye west
George Soros can come to Christ.
It is a possibility that he can convert and come to Christ.
alex jones
Would you meet with George Soros if you wanted to meet with him?
kanye west
I wouldn't meet with anyone.
Laura, we're live.
What's up?
This is Laura Loomer.
unidentified
I'm watching live.
I saw you just said that you wanted me to call in, so I'm calling in.
alex jones
How does she have your number?
jordan holmes
I'm not busy.
kanye west
Well, she called me because she had some concerns about Milo running my campaign.
alex jones
No, that's great.
So here's the deal.
We've got Laura Loomer's number.
Can we call her on Skype or Zoom?
Can we actually put her on the show?
Laura, you're on via speakerphone.
Can you come on via Skype or via phone right now?
unidentified
Yeah, I can't do video right now, but I could do audio.
I texted your producer.
dan friesen
This is a good show.
You know, it's really...
It's really just smooth and produced.
jordan holmes
You know, if you were on the fence about either Hitler or Infowars, this show will really push you towards the pro in both directions, I think.
dan friesen
I do like that moment that Alex has where he's like, how does she have your number?
jordan holmes
I know.
Even Alex is like, what the fuck is going on here?
dan friesen
Why does Laura Loomer have Ye's number?
jordan holmes
How is Loomer involved?
dan friesen
And it's interesting, too, that the reason is because she had contacted him about a concern about Milo.
Yeah.
She doesn't trust Milo.
jordan holmes
Because none of them trust any of them because they're all grifters!
unidentified
They all know that they're just a minute away from screwing each other over.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
That guy will stab you in the back, which is completely different from the way I will stab you in the back.
dan friesen
I will stab you in the ribs.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I'll make sure you bleed out faster, okay?
I'm a nice guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They're all like wrestling tag teams.
They're all like, all right, we understand that they're eventually going to have to fight each other.
jordan holmes
This is transient.
This is setting up an end to our friendship, not the lasting one.
dan friesen
So, she's going to call back in eventually.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
They don't get her on Skype or anything.
It's, again, on speakerphone.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
But, yeah, he has some other things he wants to talk about, particularly a prayer that he's mad about.
jordan holmes
Fun!
kanye west
Let's remove this whole conversation of morality, and let's go, let's stick to the Bible and say, either Jesus said so, or Jesus said no.
Hold on, I'm going to wait until you drop this.
jordan holmes
Or Jesus said go.
kanye west
All right, so, and I felt like that was profound.
Made me top five streaming artists without an album this year.
Either Jesus said so or Jesus said no.
Because we want to bring in our creative direction and our opinion and our moral compass.
Forget the words moral compass.
Is it in the Bible?
What did the red letters say?
jordan holmes
What did Jesus say about it?
kanye west
And then we make our decisions off of that.
So I said this.
And then I also had an idea.
Let's stop hoping.
Let's pray.
Let's talk directly to God.
Let's stop hoping for yourself.
alex jones
I agree with that.
kanye west
He has hope in here, and then I took it out, and then I put it back in, and then he, and so I said this prayer, and my family members, they didn't say anything.
And then he said his prayer, and all the whole family was like, oh, that's the best prayer ever!
And I was thinking like, bro, why you set me up?
Why you set me up to say my prayer right before your prayer?
But this is his prayer.
I was like, yo, send me that prayer, bro.
That prayer was pretty good.
dan friesen
Yes, that was a pretty good prayer.
jordan holmes
Even...
You're yay!
You can't stand being upstaged at a fucking quiet prayer event?
dan friesen
It was a good prayer.
jordan holmes
But the point of the prayer...
How is he mad at a prayer if the point of the prayer is not performative?
He is literally dis...
He makes no sense about any bullshit about his religion!
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Well, he's young in his Christianity, as he said, although Jesus Walks came out 15 years ago.
jordan holmes
It came out a long time ago.
He's really talked a lot about Jesus.
I mean, most of the samples that he's used his entire career have been gospel-oriented.
dan friesen
Yep.
I had that impression of him as not a huge fan of his music, just knowing it sort of on a surface level.
That was my impression.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, Jesus walks.
How I need Jesus.
jordan holmes
He did wear the crown of thorns himself, though, so maybe he thought he was Jesus at that time.
dan friesen
Well, no, he's Yeezus.
Anyway, he goes on to have a very long prayer.
And I'm not going to make us listen to all of it, but I do like Alex's response afterwards.
kanye west
Thank you for blessing us from the top of our head to the bottom of our feet and everywhere in between with the first, what we need, everything that we deserve, and then the best that you have for our lives, Yahweh God.
In Jesus' name, amen.
alex jones
And perfect time to go to break.
Hour number two, Uncensored with Ye.
Nick Fuentes, I'm your guest host here in Insane Asylum World because the whole world's crazy.
All of us are nuts.
This is Twilight Zone 2.0.
kanye west
We will be right back.
alex jones
I'm talking about all of us.
The whole world's crazy.
It is crazy.
Everybody's crazy.
I believe that.
I'm saying the guest host here because these guys are hosting.
We'll be right back with our number two.
dan friesen
Alex has been defeated.
jordan holmes
I quit.
I am the loser here.
I clearly have no control over what's going to happen.
dan friesen
I'm Alex Jones.
I'm your guest.
jordan holmes
I am lost.
I am totally lost!
dan friesen
I've tried a few things.
I have not been successful in sanitizing this gentleman here.
And, uh, fuck it.
It's crazy world.
Oh no, yay, I did not mean you're crazy.
Everyone's crazy.
jordan holmes
But yeah, you are especially crazy.
dan friesen
You crazy motherfucker.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I don't know if I've ever seen Alex that, like, sort of impotent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was really, really a bummer.
jordan holmes
You know what?
It reminded me.
Of a man...
Who suddenly discovered there were no tools in his toolbox.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
After only two or three tools.
dan friesen
These tools work so well when I'm alone in a studio or talking to liars.
jordan holmes
I should have bought more tools.
dan friesen
I mean, Kanye's a liar too, but like talking to people who are motivated only by grift.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
It always works.
jordan holmes
Should have bought more tools.
I am out of tools very quickly.
dan friesen
So the tool that he decides to go to is playing more special reports.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Let's take up some.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Keep him off air.
dan friesen
They play a special report about the Balenciaga stuff.
Because apparently there's a new pedophilia scandal.
I guess Balenciaga is like a brand, fashion brand of some sort, I believe.
unidentified
Cool!
jordan holmes
You guys handle it.
dan friesen
I guess it's like Wayfair, but with bags.
jordan holmes
Sure.
kanye west
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fine.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
There's a Reese report, one of Reese's pieces.
jordan holmes
Ooh, love me a good Reese's piece.
dan friesen
About Balenciaga.
kanye west
Sure.
dan friesen
This is wild.
Why is this playing?
unidentified
The same style bears were featured in one of their last runway shows, which was held in a mud pit, as if the brand weren't disgusting enough.
But who opened for the show?
Yeah, Kanye West was pretty close with Balenciaga before they got canceled for that last photo shoot.
Kanye's been all over the place for years.
Everybody knows that.
I'm sure he's been through a lot.
I feel for him, but let's keep our eyes open, yeah?
greg reese
It's a very small club, and yet the majority of us still seem to obsess over them, like royalty.
jordan holmes
You!
dan friesen
You obsess about them, Greg Reese!
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
dan friesen
But yeah, very weird choice to play that.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know.
I just don't know where I'm at.
I don't know where we live.
I remember when I was young that I knew all of this wouldn't happen.
That's all I remember.
Being young, I knew in my soul there is no way that all of what happened after I grew up would happen.
And it all did.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of surprises that have happened in...
Adulthood.
unidentified
All of them.
jordan holmes
All of the surprises.
dan friesen
I will say it is a small miracle and a giant piece of good luck that Ye wasn't watching that special report because that could have gotten pretty fucking ugly.
jordan holmes
That would have been a storm out real quick.
dan friesen
I was watching at this point on Nick's streaming site because he has an Alex Jones channel on there.
And so they play the show.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And man, the chat was furious.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
At this.
They thought this was a complete setup to make anti-Semitism look bad.
jordan holmes
So Kanye shows up and he's spewing anti-Semitism and then they play a special report revealing that Ye himself is also a pedophile evil billionaire.
And it was...
dan friesen
Yeah, that was a stab in the back kind of thing.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
That's delightful.
dan friesen
So, Tim Pool, when he had Ye on, the whole goal was to talk about the dinner with Trump.
And that did not happen because...
Who knows why?
jordan holmes
That was for his other podcast, Dinner with Timmer.
dan friesen
Pool.
Empty the pool.
jordan holmes
Drain the pool.
dan friesen
Nah, I'm too tired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I understand.
dan friesen
So, that didn't happen there.
But some of that conversation gets to happen here, and Nick has a little bit of a story about how people thought it was a setup.
nick fuentes
Trump gave kind of the standard black voter pitch.
He talked about the HBCUs, the opportunity zones, things like that.
And then it turned out that Ye had accidentally sent a text message to a lawyer that both Trump and Ye share and forwarded him some intel that Karen gave to us about how we were going to handle the Trump meeting and how to read his body language and the kinds of things that maybe we should avoid.
He's a lizard!
And so before the dinner, Ye accidentally forwarded that to a lawyer who then in the middle of the dinner apparently called Trump to say, hey, Karen Giorno's involved.
This is a setup.
You guys are being set up right now.
It was really just based on a misunderstanding.
And after that call, he...
alex jones
Who's this lawyer?
nick fuentes
Do you mind if I say the name?
kanye west
Yes.
nick fuentes
Yes, you mind?
kanye west
No, I don't.
nick fuentes
Okay, it's Nick Gravante.
So he was texting me.
kanye west
I don't mind any names.
I think that's the general just...
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit, buddy.
kanye west
Let him finish the entire story.
dan friesen
This is a fun Nazi comedy of errors Nick is describing, but there are some people who have been very adamant that Nick's version of the story isn't true.
Karen Giorno is a former Trump aide who was wrangled into attending the dinner by Milo, and they knew each other because Giorno had helped with Loomer's failed run for Congress.
Apparently, according to Nick, she gave some advice about how to handle Trump, which yay meant to text to Fuentes, but accidentally texted to Nick Gravante.
Gravante then texted Trump to let him know that it was a setup, apparently because Giorno's out for revenge or something.
Sure.
unidentified
Problem is that Gravante has been very clear that he didn't tell Trump shit.
dan friesen
That's an issue.
Giorno said, she went on record and said, quote, Milo said that he arranged the dinner just to make Trump's life miserable.
He was hoping that news of the dinner would leak and Trump would mishandle it.
Nick Fuentes echoed that sentiment, and he said, I hate to say it, but the chickens are coming home to roost.
Also, Milo himself told NBC, quote, I also wanted to send a message to Trump that he has systematically, repeatedly neglected, ignored, abused the people who love him the most, the people who put him in office, and that kind of behavior comes back to bite you in the end.
Lesson here is don't ever associate with any of these people.
It will end up turning bad at some point and they don't have any shame.
jordan holmes
I mean, you...
How is it possible that that is not clear evidence that Trump should not be allowed anywhere near power ever again?
He got outmaneuvered by Nick Fuentes and Milo Yiannopoulos.
He is so fucking stupid.
He walked into a 20-year-old asshole's trap.
What a fucking moron.
Anyways, he's going to win.
dan friesen
So anyway, Nick isn't a white supremacist.
Did you know that?
jordan holmes
No, he is.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
No, he is.
alex jones
Nick, they say you're a white supremacist.
jordan holmes
Are you a white supremacist?
That's because he is.
nick fuentes
No, not at all.
jordan holmes
He thinks white people are superior.
nick fuentes
Yeah, you know, I'm a Catholic.
I'm Christian, and so I believe that we're all...
kanye west
I know that sounds white supremacist right there, but it's not.
Go ahead.
unidentified
It kind of does.
nick fuentes
Well, I believe that we're all children of God, and so I think that black, white...
Red, brown, whatever.
We're all siblings in a certain sense because we're created by God.
I do, though, believe that there are races.
There are black people.
There are white people.
There are Hispanics.
And these differences mean something to people.
They mean things to each other.
That doesn't mean that we can't get along.
That doesn't mean...
alex jones
But the left's saying it's bad to even have a culture.
They're saying none of us can say, I'm this or I'm that.
nick fuentes
Right.
They want to melt us all down.
That's what globalization is.
They want to globalize the government, the economy, and the population.
They want a global government.
They want to globalize the economy through free trade.
alex jones
With no culture.
nick fuentes
Exactly.
And the population.
unidentified
Ha-ha!
jordan holmes
We stole your culture.
nick fuentes
And they want to make it so that in 50, 100 years, there are no distinct nations.
There's no distinct peoples.
alex jones
So nobody can stand up to them.
nick fuentes
Right.
Just a slave class.
Undifferentiated.
That's what they want.
kanye west
This is the future president you're talking to right now.
alex jones
Is Nick here running that?
jordan holmes
Not a chance.
dan friesen
No, he's not old enough.
jordan holmes
Well, listen.
I will say this right now.
I'm putting this down.
I don't care about morality.
If Nick Fuentes is elected, I will kill him.
I will absolutely kill Nick Fuentes.
If he is elected president, he will die.
I will assassinate him.
dan friesen
I don't support this at all.
jordan holmes
I swear to fucking God.
And I don't care.
I'll do my time.
I'll do my time forever.
I'm fine with it.
But I will not let this world be run by Nick fucking Fuentes!
As God is my witness!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you're speaking in quite a hypothetical, and, you know, that is...
jordan holmes
It's a very specific hypothetical.
dan friesen
Well, I think it won't come to this, because by the time Nick's old enough to run, I don't think there will be a presidency.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The whole country will have collapsed into something or other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not concerned about whether or not I'll have to follow through on this one.
dan friesen
But, I mean, look, there is a savvy that Nick has that...
I think that no matter how bad any of this stuff gets with Ye...
I don't think that it's going to be a problem for him.
I think he can come out the other side completely fine, let people like Ali Alexander, Milo, and Owen Benjamin return back to their obscurity.
And Nick has an ability to explain the games that he's involved in in a way that doesn't hurt his ability to play them.
jordan holmes
It makes people think they're playing it with him.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And there is a way that on the other side of this, Nick can say, look.
I am in the interest, is of my interest, to advance Christian principles or whatever.
And, yay, is a gigantic star.
It was something that served my ability to spread the message of God and Jesus further.
He's gonna be fine.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
And when the white supremacists are like, oh, but you worked with Kanye, he'll be like, yeah, I told you I was using Kanye as the blackface of white supremacy.
I fucking told him!
I told everybody what I was doing.
I'm literally the smartest person in the room because I surround myself with the dumbest No!
I said this when I was 18!
dan friesen
This is a means to an end!
And that's the part that's particularly troubling about him.
jordan holmes
It's sad.
dan friesen
So, Alex, of course, is still...
I mean, he gave Trump an ultimatum, and Trump didn't live up to it, but Alex decided, nah, no big deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, whatever.
dan friesen
But he's still in the business of supporting him, and so he tries.
jordan holmes
He's got to push back.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He doesn't do a great job.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
alex jones
It's fair, though, for Trump that there's a political attack.
To claim that he endorses or represents even the views they claim you hold that you don't hold.
So clearly you can see how the media is using you guys as an attack on Trump.
kanye west
They're using us to try to put this guy we've never heard of, DeSantis, in office.
Like, DeSantis is going to play by the book.
The thing about Trump is this guy is...
One of the best presidents we have.
He's top five presidents.
He's right there with Ronald Reagan.
jordan holmes
Got tricked by Milo Yiannopoulos.
kanye west
He's one of the best businessmen of all time.
And the entire time he was the president, the Jewish media attacked him.
They were mad because he was actually working for the country.
And now they're doing everything, including this meeting, to try to say he's not allowed to meet.
This is Infowars.
Who are you to say who the president can meet with?
dan friesen
I mean, you know, he's just throwing around very liberally terms like the Jewish media and stuff.
It's very overt.
Alex doesn't really even take any...
It doesn't bat an eye at throwing around the Jewish media.
And that's pretty bad.
Yeah.
He's doing a terrible job.
Yeah.
Because, again, it's not in his interest really to have a fight or an argument about this.
It is in his interest to try and sanitize things as best as he can and try to cover his ass a little bit in case there's something that's particularly bad that's like, I can't be involved with this.
Like, you know, saying the Nazis were great, Alex tries to be like, well, I knew this guy who invented air conditioning.
Nazis are not good.
So he can try to get a little bit of that Dirt off him.
It's not effective.
It's transparent.
But he just allows this shit to stand and to fly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and again, this is too easy.
These people are stupid.
I mean, honestly, Alex could just be like, oh, you know what?
You're right about the Jewish media.
Point out who exactly is the Jewish media?
Like, give me outlets.
Give me names.
Who should we avoid?
Am I the Jewish media?
Oh, you're just saying fucking everybody because you're an idiot.
Thank you.
Moving on.
dan friesen
I think Alex doesn't want to ask for specifics because he might be a little worried that Nick would have them.
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
dan friesen
If it were just gay, maybe you could...
unidentified
That's fair.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
How have you thought through these positions?
What exactly are you saying?
But since Nick's there, you'd be like, Nick, take this one.
And then you're in deep water.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So, JFK, RFK?
jordan holmes
Killed by...
dan friesen
Israel.
jordan holmes
There we go.
nick fuentes
If you want Middle East peace, you have to go to Israel, because Israel is the one who has been bombing Syria.
Israel's the one that's...
alex jones
And they got 200 nuclear weapons.
They ain't going nowhere.
nick fuentes
Exactly, and that's why they killed JFK and RFK, was because they were trying to get their WMD program off the ground.
Operation Apollo, it was Jack Kennedy that wanted IAEA inspectors looking into it.
alex jones
No, that is probably one of the reasons Kennedy got killed.
kanye west
What we need to say right now, and we're going to bring Ali on in a second, is both my parents were educators, right?
And we're here as the educators.
dan friesen
So, there's a problem with being the king of conspiracies and actually not really knowing or caring about any of them.
Nick comes in with his explanation for why JFK and RFK were killed, and Alex knows deep down that...
He doesn't actually know enough to argue with him, so he has to submit and say, yeah, that's probably one of the big reasons.
Yeah, it was probably Israel.
Anyone who listens to Alex's show and pays attention to him and thinks this shit means anything should be offended by that spineless response.
Alex has been very clear that his position is that JFK was assassinated because he was going to dissolve the CIA, take down the Federal Reserve, and because he didn't sign on to Operation Northwoods.
At least, that's his position when there's no one else there to challenge him.
Whenever anyone else is there, he gets way less certain, and pretty much any theory is totally probably a big part of the assassination.
It's all there.
He's such a fucking fraud, and the fact that he has any audience retention is evidence that his listeners aren't actually listening.
It's kind of sad.
Kind of sad.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, one thing that occurs to me is I think now none of us should really be surprised that JFK was assassinated because there were so many reasons to assassinate him.
You know?
Like, everybody's got so many reasons.
Everybody's got their own reason.
This is a man who was begging for assassination, practically, based upon how everybody thinks that all the stuff he did caused his assassination.
dan friesen
Right, but those theories have had 50 years to come together.
Like, it's not like the day after all of these theories were robustly there.
Yeah, any big major world event, you can come up with a hundred different explanations for why something happened.
jordan holmes
See?
So we shouldn't be surprised.
Great.
dan friesen
So, yay is an educator, as he said.
jordan holmes
I don't see how that's possible.
dan friesen
No.
But Alex should be a little bit...
He should take note of shit like this and realize, like, this is ideological.
This is not one of your scam buddies.
kanye west
Playing along with the system.
So stop looking at us like celebrities, like we're trying to get media.
We're using our position, putting our finances, putting our personal well-being at risk to say the truth out loud.
And I was on the plane with Nick and I said, it feels like we're in Vietnam in the middle of the war with our backs to the wall, holding our guns and saying, you know, Nick, how did you get here?
Yay, how did you get here?
All the guns are going off and all the media is going off and say, this is info.
I think Alex generally likes to hear stuff like that, but maybe today.
dan friesen
Maybe not the proudest moment.
jordan holmes
Not the day.
dan friesen
No.
Hey, Alex, thanks for walking so I could run and say that Hitler was cool and I like Nazis.
The Jewish media has run amok.
unidentified
Yeah, it's real cool that you guys get to act like you're in a war.
jordan holmes
I just have to sit here and watch.
dan friesen
Fun to get credit for enabling this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex suggests, hey, you should get something to eat.
We've all eaten.
It turns out Kanye can't eat.
alex jones
We'll take breaks and stuff, too, and get Ye to eat something or whatever.
Me and Nick got somebody.
He hasn't eaten yet.
kanye west
I stay fasting.
alex jones
That's right.
He won't eat.
I'm trying to get him to eat.
So I'm like Italian.
Manja, manja.
kanye west
I got to watch my accounts because they've been frozen by Jewish banks.
unidentified
Which ones?
kanye west
I need to watch my meals.
alex jones
Well, CNN says why people are evil Nazis.
I mean, I disagree with both statements, but I get the...
kanye west
I don't like the word evil next to Nazis.
I think we need to look at...
alex jones
Oh my goodness.
dan friesen
You can see again Alex's knee-jerk reaction to saying something like the Jewish banks froze my account is to rattle off his stock line about how the left says white people are bad.
Is Ye's shit so bad when CNN says white people are evil?
He isn't even thinking.
This is pure anti-Semitism deflection reflexes.
And again, Ye doesn't care.
He's there to demonize Jewish people, support Nazis, and pump up Hitler.
That's what his entire media campaign is more or less about, and he is not interested in watering that down.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Like he said in that last clip, this isn't about clout for him.
This is an ideological thing that he believes himself to be a teacher about.
So no matter how many times Alex tries to both sides of this, it's going to fail.
It's really sad, and it kind of reveals how few tricks Alex really has.
Like you were saying, he doesn't have any tools.
He has a couple of go-to lines that usually work, like when he's alone or if he's drunkenly yelling at people on the street.
And it doesn't really work when you're talking to an actual bigot.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They don't care.
They're not impressed by your stupid shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
So this next clip actually really highlights this.
This dichotomy between the two of them.
kanye west
I don't like the word evil next to Nazis.
I think we need to look at...
alex jones
Oh my goodness.
Just because you don't like one group doesn't mean the other.
kanye west
I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Oh, man.
Well, I have to disagree with that.
But listen, we're going to go to break.
jordan holmes
I don't like you either.
alex jones
I'm the crazy one here.
We're all crazy.
The whole world's crazy.
And the whole power structure's coming down.
This is absolutely lit.
This is lit, lit, lit, lit, lit, lit.
Number one show in the world right now.
Everybody's tuned in everywhere.
unidentified
Woo!
dan friesen
So that's the difference between them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yay is wearing a face mask saying ridiculously anti-Semitic shit and rejecting every lifeline Alex tries to throw him.
He is not interested in maintaining an image or being popular.
forcing himself to laugh at Ye's dumb shit, essentially begging him to just soften this a little bit and celebrating how many viewers have tuned in yep that's what's important to alex there are tons of people watching so who cares about the message that's being sent what kind of harm is being done yep if we can get more viewers by slandering the parents of murdered children the ends justify the means if we can get more eyes on the show by giving an unhinged bigot and his baby racist friend three hours on air to say whatever they want while you get
Give the limpest fucking pushback imaginable.
If it's gonna sell a few more pills, let it rip, man.
Just let it go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is just spectacle.
dan friesen
It's cynical.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I thought the Tim Pool thing was a freak show.
This is an absolute fucking nightmare.
This should be shown on TLC for fuck's sake.
dan friesen
And I understand that we're a ways into our episode here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it gets worse.
This isn't as bad as it gets.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
This is kind of small potatoes in many ways.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So, you know, Laura Loomer called earlier, and they decided they needed to get her back.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so she calls in.
It's really funny because...
Honestly, it just seems like she's in a position where she's like, hey, look, all of you people have been canceled.
I have two.
alex jones
Why wasn't I invited?
jordan holmes
She is so sad.
dan friesen
Why wasn't I invited to the big canceled party?
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
alex jones
Ali Alexander, Owen Troyer are about to join us riding shotgun.
Jay doesn't want to wear an earpiece, so he's going to call Laura Loomer.
Yeah, so we're going to put Laura Loomer on the way.
She was originally going to be on earlier.
Yeah, you're hosting the show.
unidentified
Go ahead.
kanye west
Laura, can you guys hear Laura on the mic?
alex jones
What they're doing is they're talking to her out there.
I told them 45 minutes ago.
kanye west
Laura, can we hear you on the mic?
alex jones
Tell her you're going to call her.
They didn't do that because it's such a party.
unidentified
I can hear you.
kanye west
Can you guys hear her?
Laura, say something.
alex jones
This is Laura Loomer.
Yeah, Laura, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
How's it going?
You're on the air with Ye.
unidentified
Go ahead.
alex jones
He wants to do it over his speakerphone.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
I just wanted to call in.
unidentified
You know, I see that everybody on this stream has been canceled in some fashion.
kanye west
And, you know, I've also been canceled.
laura loomer
And, you know, I have a unique perspective because, you know, I'm Jewish and I happen to be one of the most banned and censored person.
dan friesen
This is a little bit desperate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is sad.
This is sad.
This is, you know, I think I mentioned an episode a while back.
I think I said this, but this is the most dark version of the Chris Gethard show.
This is exactly like the Diddy episode, but evil.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is something to that.
There's sort of clunky call-ins.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Is Nick the human fish?
God, it's...
Yeah, I don't like thinking about it that way, but yeah.
I mean, it is public ecstasy.
At the very least, it's that.
jordan holmes
It's uncontrolled chaos.
I mean, it's bananas.
dan friesen
This is bananas.
So, you know, who cares about Laura Loomer?
But, yay, he even loves Zionists.
So one of the ways that he's trying to present this whole thing about loving Nazis and loving Hitler is like, I love everybody.
I even love the Zionists and such.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he explains this hierarchical power structure that he sees.
kanye west
I love the Zionists.
I love the people that blocked my bank account because God runs the world and uses everyone.
There's a power structure under God that starts with the thousand-year-old families such as the Medicis.
And it goes to the Vatican, which is in bloodline to Peter, not Paul.
Then it goes to the financial groups, BlackRock, Vanguard, and then to the governments, where we can go into Putin territory.
jordan holmes
Wait, God's power?
kanye west
And then it goes to Hollywood, the Rahm Emanuel.
That is the first smokescreen to get past.
And we're just breaking down those smokescreens.
Hey, Ari.
How you doing, Ari?
dan friesen
Seems to really just sort of, you know, talk about Ari Emanuel a lot.
jordan holmes
I think he may have just played too much Assassin's Creed.
I think he's just kind of gone a little bit too far with the whole Templars-Assassins thing.
dan friesen
The Medici's, the Thousand Year Effect.
He mentioned the Council of 300 Jewish Elders or whatever earlier.
How does that factor into this?
That's not in his power structure?
jordan holmes
No idea.
dan friesen
Also, why is Rahm Emanuel considered part of Hollywood?
jordan holmes
I mean, I think probably because...
Ye is incapable of thinking clearly.
He doesn't actually understand what he's saying, let alone truly believe what it is that he doesn't understand.
dan friesen
Let me give you another theory.
Rahm Emanuel's Jewish.
jordan holmes
Oh, it could be that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has an idea for a new political party.
alex jones
What about a First Amendment or a Bill of Rights party that could transcend party lines?
jordan holmes
You don't like the Bill of Rights.
alex jones
What about a pre-speech pro-self-defense, a First Amendment, Second Amendment party?
I mean, how do we fix this, Yeh?
kanye west
We fix this with the word of Christ.
The first book of Moses called Genesis.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
That's where we start.
alex jones
And they know that.
That's why Prometheus shows that.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Total Prometheus.
Total Prometheus.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yay just took out his Bible and started on page one.
jordan holmes
That's a good way to start.
I would recommend he continue.
I would.
I would recommend he read the whole thing and really kind of put together what it is he's thinking.
dan friesen
Here is my political party.
Page one, verse one.
unidentified
In the beginning was the word, and the word was will God, and the word was God.
dan friesen
Nick has another idea for a party.
nick fuentes
Yeah, I want to jump in and say that I agree.
I think, though, that it's not so much about the Bill of Rights.
I think it's really more about Christianity.
Blowing Kanye.
Oh, I agree.
alex jones
Politically, it's about our freedoms.
You're right.
Christ is first.
nick fuentes
Right.
And it gets to the nature of Judaism.
Which is the fact that Jews do not believe that Christ was the Son of God.
And in fact, they're the only group that hate Jesus.
Muslims see Jesus as a prophet.
Buddhists, Hindus see Jesus as a spiritual figure.
Jews write in their Talmud that Christ is burning in hell.
They don't like the cross.
alex jones
Well, I think that's because he kind of was taking over the thing.
So at the end of the day, we worship a Jew, or we say he's not really a Jew.
nick fuentes
It's not the same thing, though, because the kind of Judaism that we have now is not of the Old Testament.
It's of the rabbinical oral tradition.
So these people are worshipping...
alex jones
They're not following the Old Testament.
They're following the Zohar and the Talmud and all that.
nick fuentes
That's right, exactly.
alex jones
Well, I mean, people should read that for themselves.
dan friesen
Oh!
This is a deeply anti-Semitic statement Nick is making, and Alex is just going to go along with it, offering up that people should just read the Talmud for themselves.
This is bullshit, and Alex is not pushing back in this interview at all.
He's fully engaged.
It's just kind of hard to see that at times, because his role isn't necessarily to say the same things as Ye and Nick.
It's to give ineffectual pushback and try to sanitize the things they're saying so people don't see them for what they actually are.
There have definitely been tensions between Jewish groups and Christian groups.
...
...
In the Talmud, there are references to a magician named Balaam who's remembered for trying to curse Jewish people.
These references are understandably not positive.
There were theories at points in history that the mentions of Balaam were coded references to Jesus, but these theories have been debunked.
Yet, they are still perpetuated and asserted by anti-Semites.
Sure.
Here's a passage about Jesus from the Talmud.
Quote, The intent of the creator of the world is not within the power of man to comprehend, for his ways are not our ways, nor are his thoughts our thoughts.
Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of Nazareth will only serve to prepare the way for Meshach's coming and the improvement of the entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together.
Nick is referencing passages that were about Balaam, like this one.
Quote, The disciples of Balaam the wicked inherit Gehenom and descend into the nethermost pit.
Gehenom is somewhat synonymous or analogous to hell in Talmud.
He is passing along an old anti-Semitic smear, and Alex has literally no ability or interest to engage with what he's doing, essentially allowing this slander to be legitimized in the eyes of the audience.
They should read it for themselves.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Jesus was trying to take over the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you know, now that I know that what they're really mad at is a magician, I guess I gotta agree with them, you know?
Because what says it's worth murdering an entire race of people more than they made fun of a magician?
dan friesen
And the magician, from what I understand, was pretty mean to them, too.
jordan holmes
He's pretty much a dick.
dan friesen
Anyway, yay, gets to yelling.
And complaining about being on Drink Champs.
kanye west
Sure.
dan friesen
That podcast where he said a bunch of anti-Semitic shit.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And, um, yeah.
kanye west
You know, God loves me so much.
He loves me so much, right?
Then, I go to Drink Champs, and I'm drinking.
And the Bible says, King, don't drink.
Right?
I know it's that.
Milo, I know I'm not saying it in correct, perfect English.
But, the Bible says, King, don't drink.
And I'm drinking.
And I'm smoking, and I'm using my ego, because I'm tired of these, like, fed...
alex jones
They're like, I'm lit.
I'm lit.
kanye west
Let me say, I'm tired of these fed celebrities trying to pick on me, thinking that they're gangster.
We're not in high school, Meek Mills.
We're not in high school, Puff Daddy.
And everyone thinks that they're so much more gangster, like they got me in some way.
jordan holmes
Meek Mill went to jail!
kanye west
They're more gangster than God, and God got me.
You know what I'm saying?
And I'm saying that...
alex jones
Oh, no.
Everybody posing acting tough.
You talk about rebel black sheep.
I mean, you're definitely it, buddy.
kanye west
Yeah, y 'all not tough to me.
But I'm drinking, and then I start saying stuff that doesn't please God, right?
It wasn't the Zionists.
It wasn't the Banks.
It's God sent me back.
But the fact that...
The fact that...
I still had $400 million and Forbes couldn't get around it.
It showed God loves me, but he just had to set me back a little bit.
alex jones
Well, it's a Jobian proverb.
You're going through a Jobian proverb.
jordan holmes
Sorry, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
If Alex actually believes that what Ye is going through is a Job-like trial, then he must think that God wants Ye to be really anti-Semitic and a piece of shit, and the devil is trying to tempt him to cut it out.
Or maybe the devil is trying to tempt him into finishing thoughts.
jordan holmes
What if...
What if this is a new Job, but instead of an uplifting story, it's the one where Job loses and was like, dude, you're right.
I will hate the Jews.
This devil guy is dope.
dan friesen
Maybe he meant Job Bluth.
jordan holmes
Oh, could be.
This does have more of a Job Bluth vibe to it.
Yeah, he's going around sticking his foot in his face.
dan friesen
And Ye stole, I'm sorry, Arrested Development stole Mr. Banana Grabber.
jordan holmes
That is true!
dan friesen
From Owen Benjamin.
jordan holmes
Mr. B!
dan friesen
So, yeah, there's some more talk about Kanye and his drink champs period and such.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He ended up serving the devil.
jordan holmes
You know what's odd is there's this thing that Jesus said, and it's going to blow your mind.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
So he was talking about how if you look out and you see somebody with like a big old timber or like a little stick in their eye, you know.
You know, you should worry about the timber in your own fucking eye before you start causing problems for other people.
So maybe, Kanye, shut the fuck up about other people and figure your own shit out.
dan friesen
Well, but that's the thing.
jordan holmes
Listen to the Bible.
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
I don't think he did.
dan friesen
He was serving the devil, and now he's gotten on the right path, and he's serving God.
jordan holmes
He's been two days without porn.
Shut up.
dan friesen
Listen.
He was serving the devil.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kanye west
Since I lost my wife, right?
Since I lost my family and I was no longer the priest right in the middle of that home and I didn't have the say-so over the content that my kids watch and what they wore and where they went to school and how we went to church and what they ate, I was frustrated and I let the devil come and get me.
jordan holmes
I let the devil pull me in.
kanye west
Next thing you know, I'm at New Year's Eve parties having threesomes.
Like, God was so mad at me.
He said, I empowered you.
I gave you every skill set.
You're like Moses.
You saved Caesar's life in battle twice.
You know, you might stutter.
You might not be the best communicator.
But you're a leader, yay.
And you're down there.
You're not representing me.
You're drinking.
You're having sex.
And you know what?
And God, he waited on me.
He let me go, you know.
Eight months into the year.
But it wasn't until I bragged about serving Satan with the actions that God said, I got to set you back now and set you straight.
And then, so we're moving my school.
We're moving the Donda Theology Engineering University into a church.
And we were there talking with the pastor, and then a homeless gentleman came in and was talking to us.
And I said, is this a plant?
I don't know, but this was the greatest theology.
jordan holmes
Kill this man!
kanye west
And I had him come to a Bible study.
We were working on the walk to the house.
I don't like to call it a campaign.
We were working to the walk to the house.
alex jones
Yeah, hold on.
This is a hard break at the end of the hour.
Stations, rejoin us.
I skipped the other break.
We've got to have this.
We're back in two minutes.
We've got to do this hard break.
And I ask, do you want to put a website out where people can actually hear what you have to say?
kanye west
I want you to remind me what I'm saying so I can give this explanation.
alex jones
No, no.
You told me on the phone the story.
kanye west
I need to tell the people, though.
alex jones
No, no, you will.
I'm going to remember.
It's the amazing homeless guy comes in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And he gives you this incredible word.
kanye west
I don't care about the website.
I care about Jesus Christ and people knowing that.
alex jones
I get it.
But they also got to know where to actually find what you're actually saying.
kanye west
No, the only place to find it is in the Bible.
My website is the Bible.
alex jones
Nick, where do people find what you're doing?
nick fuentes
Cozy.tv slash Nick and the Bible.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
All right.
Nick's a little bit more interested in it.
You should also go to my website.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, the Bible, cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But also my website.
Yeah.
So yeah, that was a little bit all over the place.
So he served Satan or something because he had threesomes.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then...
He met a homeless guy.
We never get the end of this story, by the way.
Alex does not remind him.
jordan holmes
No, we're good.
We got the story.
dan friesen
I think Alex was good.
jordan holmes
If I recall correctly, first Kanye turned him away, and then it turned out that he was a witch, so he cursed him.
He has to live in the castle for the rest of his life until the flower finally wilts, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, you told me on the phone.
I don't need to hear this again.
That makes me wonder if it's a really fucked up story.
That's not good.
I am not going to remind you of this.
jordan holmes
I just want to remind people that when Kanye says he heard God, that is not metaphorical.
He literally heard that.
I'm not joking.
That is not slight.
I've heard God before because bipolar will do that shit to you.
dan friesen
Auditory hallucinations.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah, baby.
dan friesen
So, porno, bad, evil.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
According to Ye.
kanye west
Every form of pornography is only one.
Makes sense to me.
If you're watching pornography, if you're watching a woman have sex on camera, she's reliving the trauma of being molested.
jordan holmes
All of them.
kanye west
A greater majority of women that end up being strippers, prostitutes, or pornographers, adult film stars, have gone through the trauma of experiencing pedophilia.
Sex is a legal drug that's pushed to destroy humanity.
If you drive down the street in California, they will be pushing strip clubs, they're pushing alcohol, they're pushing sex.
So for people that have this moral code about pedophilia, but no moral code about strip clubs, pornography, and the sex industry, It's not what the Bible says.
The Bible says that all of that is wrong.
So Jesus said so, or Jesus said no.
dan friesen
I hate to overanalyze things, but based on the things Ye is saying, it seems really clear to me that he has some kind of an issue with porn.
Yeah.
unidentified
He keeps bringing it up.
dan friesen
He said that it played a role in destroying his marriage, and overall, it really seems like sex is a big problem for him.
His discussion of working for Satan involved threesomes, which seems really tame for the devil.
Yeah.
unidentified
If I had to guess, I would assume that he has a bit of a problem when it comes to impulse control, and that it expresses itself through sex and pornography.
dan friesen
Instead of dealing with that and going to therapy, He's decided to internalize the neo-Nazi argument that pornography is a weapon that Jews use to destroy society, and in order to turn this into some kind of a high-minded idea, he's presenting it as a concern for people engaged in sex work.
It's all really stupid, but it kind of feels in line with the trend of the things he's saying.
And it's no coincidence that he's fallen in with Milo, Nick, and Owen Benjamin, all three of whom are Catholic fascists and followers of E. Michael Jones, who is one of the most high-profile proponents of See, here's the thing, Dan.
jordan holmes
What you're not understanding is that sex workers, again, like all women, have experienced trauma at the hands of men.
So, what we need to do is take away their independent source of income that allows them to exist in their own lives with their own control over themselves and then dominate them forever with the Bible.
Duh!
dan friesen
Yay does seem to have a bit of prescriptive ideas about how things should go that involve control.
jordan holmes
Seems odd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Seems odd that he wants to control everything that his family does.
Oh, wait, no, that's normal for...
dan friesen
So, the Balenciaga stuff comes up.
jordan holmes
Still doing that, huh?
dan friesen
And, you know, obviously, it's a big issue because Ye was involved with them, and now they're the center of this Pizzagate 4.0 or whatever we're at now.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
And he thinks it's a distraction.
alex jones
Balenciaga, though, you were going to...
I mean, just overall, what are you...
Because obviously you're with a lot of fashion brands.
Now the stuff's come out.
It's almost like they did this on purpose as a PR stunt.
jordan holmes
Everyone does it on purpose.
kanye west
You know, I'm friends with the head designer, and I believe that it was a setup.
I think it was a hit job.
And now all of a sudden, everyone is so outraged and focused on Balenciaga, but then we're still aborting our kids.
We're still fornicating.
We're still killing each other.
We're still listening to music that, Promotes that.
But, oh, we don't wear Balenciaga now.
Shut the hell up.
You know what I'm saying?
At the end of the day, what are you doing?
You're throwing stones.
Oh, my God.
But, you know, our moral code.
We just cheated on our wives.
We just fornicated.
We just had threesomes.
We just bought some sex on Instagram.
We just sold some sex.
We used sex to sell a product.
But we don't like Balenciaga.
Shut up.
unidentified
Shut up.
kanye west
I'm throwing the tablets right now.
unidentified
Shut up.
kanye west
Instagram is about prostitution, and everyone involved in any version of the sex business is as bad as the pedophile.
So everyone, shut up.
alex jones
I'm listening.
dan friesen
You listening?
jordan holmes
You listening, Alex?
It is odd.
I'm going to throw this out there.
It might be somewhat unchristian.
And maybe my interpretation of the Bible is wrong.
It's not.
But he seems very interested in his own problems and very dismissive towards everyone else's thoughts and opinions.
dan friesen
Well, they should just shut up.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
I hadn't considered that before.
dan friesen
And apparently Instagram is basically prostitution because people post sexual images.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
People in swimsuits and what have you.
jordan holmes
My wife shows me pictures, like little clips of like, this place has foxes.
They raise foxes.
They're so cute.
They make little laughing noises.
Oh my god, it's the cutest.
Anyways, pornographer.
dan friesen
That's pedophilia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's foxophilia.
dan friesen
Oh, Nelly.
So we get a little bit of a talk about something else, a different issue, namely Ukraine.
alex jones
What else is on your radar?
Because there's a lot.
What do you think about the Ukraine war?
What do you think about the devaluation of the dollar?
What do you think about FTX and Bitcoin?
jordan holmes
Why would I care what Ye thinks about these things?
nick fuentes
Well, yeah, in terms of Ukraine and Russia, I haven't really seen so much of that in the news.
I'm, of course, pro-Putin.
I'm very pro-Russia.
kanye west
I am also.
nick fuentes
Let's go, yeah.
unidentified
We know.
jordan holmes
Let's go!
dan friesen
We know.
jordan holmes
Let's go!
Like, they just won American Ninja.
Let's go!
We love Putin!
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
Not quite a surprise.
jordan holmes
This is comically stupid.
This is benonkers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And like I said, it gets worse.
Owen Schroyer shows up and...
jordan holmes
What does he have to add?
dan friesen
What does he have to add?
Something so insightful.
jordan holmes
What, lighting fire to Black Lives Matter flag in front of Kanye?
That's a smart idea.
Do that.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Do that, you racist pieces of shit.
dan friesen
He's going to be so insightful.
jordan holmes
Oh, odd.
owen shroyer
I'll hold my questions for Ye later, because I kind of want to come in, because we have a lot of eyes on this transmission right now, and there's a lot of people sharing their opinions on the internet with this right now.
And so I kind of just want to, you know, I just want to take a step back and just say, look, we're in a difficult realm with what we're doing here today, trying to balance fun and seriousness.
Because we are serious people, we have serious missions and goals, but we also want to have fun.
We don't want to hate life, we want to enjoy life, and we want other people to enjoy life.
And when I see the response on the internet...
I'm just a little perturbed.
Let Ye speak.
Let the man speak.
unidentified
You may not agree with what he has to say, but why don't you want him to speak?
owen shroyer
I don't get it.
Same thing with Alex Jones.
Why don't you want Alex to speak?
What is wrong with you?
dan friesen
What the fuck is he even saying?
Like, first of all, this show is neither funny nor serious.
It's a complete pile of bullshit that's intended to mainstream and sanitize incredibly dangerous narratives for the sake of getting Alex more viewers.
It's a shameful exercise in nihilism, but zooming out as Owen.
Who the fuck is stopping Ye from speaking?
Some people who are saying that it's fucked up that he's into Hitler on Twitter, that doesn't seem to have any effect on how much or how little Ye is yelling and saying this stuff.
Owen is seeing negative responses to what Ye is saying and then getting mad at that, but he knows that it would sound like he's an idiot baby if he's just saying that he felt like him and all of his bigot friends are entitled to only get positive feedback from people.
To avoid having to sound that weak and fragile, he recontextualizes it and pretends the people being justifiably offended by what Ye is saying is somehow stopping him from speaking.
It's bullshit.
And when you hear stuff like this, it's important to recognize that all it is is Owen weaponizing his own insecurity because he's a fucking child.
Anyway, I lied when I said he was being insightful.
That was kind of a joke.
jordan holmes
I find Ye's obsession and hatred towards pornography and fornication...
Very ironic, considering everybody around him right now is metaphorically on their knees with their head bobbing up and down underneath the desk.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Because this is shameful.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Eric, how about this one, though?
kanye west
And those people that are out there mad at the ability for us to say things for consciousness.
We have to I have to think, OK, white lives matter.
I'm going to do a T-shirt.
I'm going to make it.
You understand what culture is controlled by the Zionist media, making people mad, outraged, going out the street.
We're so outraged.
But you're not doing anything yourself to change it and follow.
I'm selling shirts.
Duh.
jordan holmes
I'm a good person.
kanye west
God says love everyone.
So if I say I love the Zionists that canceled my account, then I can say I love the Zionists But that's a good t-shirt.
alex jones
I love Hitler.
ali alexander
That's a bar.
alex jones
I'm joking.
I love Zionists, too.
dan friesen
So yeah, woke culture is controlled by the Zionist media.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Cool.
I mean, it is just getting kind of a bit repetitive, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not to him, though.
dan friesen
I find myself not having as much really even to say in terms of, like, analysis of a lot of this stuff.
It's just, well, here this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we accidentally...
Convinced a bipolar person while they were relatively sane that they were basically the messiah.
And then whenever they went to the manic side, oops, we've got an actual messiah!
Now we're really fucked.
dan friesen
Maybe not whoops for Alex, though.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I mean, he gets a lot of free pub out of it.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So, Ali Alexander shows up.
And he shows that he has a pretty decent awareness of...
jordan holmes
In studio or on the phone?
dan friesen
He's in studio.
God damn it.
But he seems to have kind of an awareness of what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
ali alexander
You can look at this interview and you can be triggered.
You know, you can engage your ego and say, yay, endorsed genocide when he didn't.
You can look at this broadcast and say, Nicholas Funchess is a 23, 24 year old, you know, secret dog whistling KKK Nazi.
But that's also not the case.
You could say that Alex Jones and Owen Schroyer are actually platforming hate, but that's not what's going on at all.
We're all just sucking Kanye's dick right now.
Love that D. The Republican establishment sold us out.
The conservative movement sold us out.
The churches, they closed.
So when we looked for leadership on the right, there was none.
When Owen Troyer got charged, when Ali Alexander got sued and investigated, Alex, when you got sued, did we get a call from Mar-a-Lago saying, hey, I'm a billionaire and I want to help fund what you guys have been through?
jordan holmes
For me, Trump can't afford it either.
ali alexander
So here we are left with the last option on Infowars, the home of the resistance.
And we're a bunch of pseudo-celebrities with one celebrity saying, okay, well, then we're just going to break the chessboard.
We're getting off your chessboard because it is rigged.
It's rigged by Lucifer.
It's rigged by the Satanists.
It is rigged by the Jewish mafia, and people don't want to say that.
It's rigged by the Marxists and the leftists and all of these people.
And it's actually, frankly, rigged by people who would betray Christ within the church, the apostates.
So I think that this broadcast should encourage everybody to...
Take everyone else just at their word.
Only use what they're saying.
Take it in good faith and in the best light.
And stop relying on the ADL and the SPLC or Twitter trends.
In fact, Elon should get rid of Twitter trends.
dan friesen
Alright.
Alright.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Taking care of the big issues there.
But look, Ali is very clearly aware that what they're doing is basically being like, look, shit didn't work.
With the other stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let's try mask off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let's see how mask off works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, they tried lying.
Let's just say we want to kill the Jews.
I bet more people would agree with us than you think.
dan friesen
Nobody else.
Look, we thought Trump was going to be the exact...
This was going to work.
jordan holmes
Finally.
dan friesen
Didn't work.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Didn't work.
We tried to take over the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Really tried.
Didn't go well.
dan friesen
Didn't work.
So, our last option.
Look at this guy.
We got a celebrity who's into Hitler.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It turns out we're dumb.
So we're trying this now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're trying yay as our avenue to political success.
dan friesen
Well, and at very least, wreak some sort of vengeance on the conservative establishment or the world.
The world of the right wing that turned their back on these.
Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here's what I'll say.
To Ali's point.
Maybe one people can rig something.
Or a group of people.
dan friesen
Oh, so many.
jordan holmes
But if everybody has rigged something, then in reality that's just the system and you're not invited.
dan friesen
Well, I do think that Ali's not invited.
jordan holmes
I would like to uninvite him from all stuff.
dan friesen
I would say my biggest response to Ali's...
Grow up.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is sad.
dan friesen
Get over it.
Grow up all the time.
And if I had to sort of just reframe what he's saying, it would be wah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good one, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Kanye talks about...
Excuse me.
Ye talks about his mom dying.
Apparently, she was a Zionist sacrifice.
alex jones
You said your mother was sacrificed.
Can you elaborate on that?
kanye west
Yeah, I believe that Michael Jordan's dad was sacrificed.
I believe, didn't something happen with Tiger Woods?
alex jones
Yeah.
kanye west
My mom.
These are all kinds of sacrifices that happened.
But this is Satan at the end of the day.
There's a lot of people that feel like we're at the end of days.
And Jesus runs the world.
God runs the world.
Jesus is the real king of Israel.
And I'm just a simple servant.
Of God.
dan friesen
Yeah, Zionist sacrifices is apparently on the table now with no real pushback to speak of from Alex about what do you mean by that?
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
What is a Zionist sacrifice?
jordan holmes
You know, it's one of the sacrifices.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's what they do.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
They sacrifice things to the things.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
And then now the stuff is done.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly...
That wasn't one of the inciting events that led to Kanye being anti-Semitic, though.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That was just a thing that happened.
dan friesen
Well, you mean the thing with Tiger Woods?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
Clearly, he doesn't even remember that one.
dan friesen
No, that was a pretty low-key Zionist sacrifice, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that was not the biggest Zionist sacrifice of all.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Ye seems to be begging celebrities to murder him.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
This is weird.
kanye west
They want to dumb us down.
And I'm probably the lowest IQ here of anyone speaking, and I'm saying...
jordan holmes
That's a competition I don't want to judge.
kanye west
...would no longer be ran by the idea of fake influence in celebrities.
alex jones
I'm going to interrupt you.
kanye west
No, no, no.
Hold on, Alex.
Don't interrupt me.
I denounce every celebrity.
I denounce every celebrity I ever stood next to.
God bless you.
And you know, that's the Christian word of what I really want to say.
Any celebrity, only celebrity that I rock with is Ray J. Literally.
Every one of y 'all others, y 'all all soft, come see me when y 'all want to see me.
Every fake gangster, so-called killer, any basketball player, any rapper, any actress, any musician, any model, any editor, come see me.
Come see God's child right now.
Please.
I want...
I want to see my mama.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
You can't touch in Jesus' name, baby.
alex jones
I was going to say this, though.
I want to be clear.
jordan holmes
You can't touch in Jesus' name.
alex jones
You say you have the lowest IQ anybody here.
I'm not kissing your ass.
Yeah, that's not true.
dan friesen
Okay, good.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Good, good.
Really taking the temperature of what's happening and responding to getting back to that important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I find the smacking noises that they're making to be very pornographic as well.
Stop it!
dan friesen
So, he insists that Yay isn't dumb.
He doesn't have a low IQ.
jordan holmes
And he has a...
Yay, you have the biggest penis, too.
Yay, your penis is so big.
dan friesen
Alex is quite smart himself.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's an idiot savant.
And you'll never guess what his superpower is.
jordan holmes
Uh, Jesus?
alex jones
I can tell you.
I'm an idiot savant.
That's a French word.
It doesn't mean I'm actually an idiot.
It means that I don't know a lot of stuff, but things I know, I know.
I don't even get into it, folks, but it's ridiculous.
I can wake up at 2 a.m., 5 a.m.
And I can tell you what time the clock's going to say before I look at it.
A little weird thing I can do.
The point is that there's savants that actually bring the world to the next level.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex's idiot savantness is that he always knows what time it is.
jordan holmes
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I gotta see the post-credit scene.
Does Nick Fury show up at the end of this episode?
We need you.
We need you for the Avengers initiative.
dan friesen
Can't imagine that that is a useful power.
Because he's saying that he knows what time is going to be on the clock before he looks at it, and the existence of the clock renders his power useless.
And Alex has a bunch of watches that are very expensive.
jordan holmes
Expensive watches.
dan friesen
So I would feel like he doesn't need those.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
dan friesen
If he was this savant.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need clocks either.
He only needs clocks to confirm that he has this power.
dan friesen
Sure.
You always want to be reassured.
So Allie has an interesting sort of policy.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
Are you laughing at me saying Allie has something interesting to say?
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I just had the thought of Alex that no one man should have all that power.
dan friesen
To be able to tell what time it is without looking at a clock?
It is very ripe for abuse.
So, listen to this shit.
ali alexander
And Nick is actually the person who's talked best about this.
And this is where I think that, like, Laura Loomer, who is a Zionist Jew, conservative, and patriot, and then you, who are kind of libertarian or conservatarian, and Owen's kind of conservatarian, would disagree with Nick and I. You know, might be more of the Catholic tradition.
We would totally support blasphemy laws.
Totally.
You know, and I don't want to speak for him, but, you know, what Nick points out is that you have to have a right to dissent.
That is way more powerful than, you know, free speech, where we're actually rigging the system to have what Ye is talking about, Instagram.
alex jones
Absolutely, Ollie.
We're going to come right back to you in a moment.
Ye wants me to tweet.
On his giant, with 35 million viewers, 36 million?
kanye west
Yeah, we're going to have Alex Jones put it up for my Twitter.
Hi, Ari Emanuel.
How's it going?
How's your wife's clothing line?
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, Allie, you are such a loser.
dan friesen
I mean, this is supposed to be a free speech pageant, you know, basically, and here Allie is advocating for, on behalf of Nick, he doesn't want to speak for him, but he's saying me and Nick agree on this, we should have blasphemy laws.
jordan holmes
What I would like is Sharia law.
Now, I know that we've talked in the past about how it's bad, but have you considered beheading people who say God sucks?
dan friesen
It seems a little weird.
unidentified
It's pretty dope!
dan friesen
It seems like a weird position.
jordan holmes
The first time you behead somebody, you're like, this may be a little too far, but you get used to it.
dan friesen
But how exciting is it that Ye is going to let Alex tweet?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is funny that we have to interrupt your belief that blasphemy should be executable with, I get to tweet from Kanye's Twitter account.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, he didn't say what the exact punishment would be.
You're assuming it's beheading.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I know what a blasphemy law is, and it doesn't end well.
God is usually pretty pissed off about blasphemy.
dan friesen
Sometimes there's chill blasphemy laws.
Anyway.
Alex tweets.
alex jones
Okay, let's do an overhead shot here, please, guys, so I can do this.
I haven't tweeted in so long, I hardly remember how this works.
You guys do an overhead shot for me?
All right, so this is Ye's phone here, and I just want to say, I love, love, L-O-V, the juice.
Do you want to say that?
It's true, I do love them.
First, how do you say amendment, A-M-T?
What's the abbreviation?
nick fuentes
AMDT, I think.
Not sure.
alex jones
Yeah, I got it.
I love the First Amendment.
dan friesen
See, that's a fun thing for him to tweet right after Ali was advocating for blasphemy laws.
jordan holmes
Yeah, blasphemy laws.
I love the First Amendment.
However, that shouldn't count against God because there should be a one world religion and it's mine.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
I didn't have any problem with or even a response to Ali saying that I love the First Amendment.
jordan holmes
Love the First Amendment.
Fuck up.
dan friesen
They are so giddy because they pass the phone around and they all get to tweet.
jordan holmes
I mean, the amount of star fuckery, pathetic bullshit that these people engage in while at the same time pretending that they are, at any sense of the word, a powerful man.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
What a bunch of cowards.
Meanwhile, Ye continues to be obsessed with Ari Emanuel's wife.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm saying!
All of them are, like, jerking Kanye West off non-stop, and Ye is just out here to do whatever he fucking wants!
dan friesen
Weirdly and sort of vaguely sexually threatened Ari Emanuel's wife.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
alex jones
I'm glad that billions are going to visit him forward.
kanye west
Ari Emanuel, if your wife needs any help on her creative direction for her line, I will gladly help you.
Even though you tried to destroy my life, I will help your wife on the creative direction, and I will not do anything un-Christian when we're in the room together.
In Jesus' name.
jordan holmes
Wait, which Christian?
unidentified
Your Christianity's fucking weird now.
nick fuentes
Okay.
alex jones
What'd you put out?
We're going to put it on screen.
nick fuentes
I put out Christ is King, America First, Gruper, and then I put Bible.com.
alex jones
Beautiful.
kanye west
Did you put the Infowars thing?
alex jones
He did, he did.
I'll get my heart attack.
kanye west
Ali Alexander, what are you going to tweet from Ye's Twitter?
dan friesen
Ye did have his Twitter suspended.
Not for this, I don't think, but a little bit after this, Elon kicked him back off Twitter.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
So, anyway, they're all so excited to tweet, and then Alex has to pee, so he leaves.
jordan holmes
That's the smartest thing he's done this whole show.
dan friesen
I will say, you know, I've been pretty critical of Alex, and I stand by that.
But the show does grind to a halt when he leaves.
It is brutal.
It's not very long, but there is a drop in energy.
I don't know exactly why.
These are all people who love to talk.
But for some reason, it just does not work out until Allie starts doing a little bit of improv.
ali alexander
Free Alex.
unidentified
Free Nick.
ali alexander
Nicholas.
kanye west
Free speech.
ali alexander
Free Speech?
unidentified
Ugh.
ali alexander
And free Ali.
jordan holmes
This is the level of typing I expect.
kanye west
Bumbayay.
ali alexander
Yeah, I don't know if that's it.
kanye west
Ducking autocorrect.
jordan holmes
I hate all of you so fucking much.
ali alexander
Here we go.
Did we get the overhead of that?
Let's get the team to get the camera!
Get the camera!
I love the crew!
I love the crew, but...
Get the camera.
Zoom in!
That's what I want.
kanye west
Get the mask.
unidentified
Get the mask.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ali alexander
Oh, I missed you.
kanye west
Get the mask.
Get the mask.
ali alexander
Oh, you want me to redo the skit?
kanye west
Yeah, do it.
ali alexander
All right, I love this crew, but, you know, sometimes, sometimes they can just be stubborn.
Zoom in, overhead shot.
Zoom in, overhead shot.
I'm sorry, I'm just a retard.
We love Alex.
jordan holmes
Who else would let us do this?
dan friesen
There's kind of the feeling of a kid who no one really likes, but has cool stuff.
And so people are kind of using him to get that stuff.
And then when he's out of the room, they kind of make fun of him, but they're live.
kanye west
Right.
jordan holmes
On his show.
On his show.
dan friesen
That's the kind of vibe this gives.
Also, when he says the mask, there's an Alex mask.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so Ali puts that on to pretend...
Yeah, I mean, it's a bit of a...
I mean, it's an impression that I would certainly do, but I would be insulting Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I believe that is a little bit insulting.
jordan holmes
And, I mean, if you step back, though, there is something very progressive about a black man in America...
Forcing white supremacists to dance for him.
That's kind of powerful, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, yeah, whatever.
Anyway, there's a big audience, and Alex is really excited about it.
So he wants Ye to give a message, and here's what he chooses.
alex jones
Yeah, who knows?
Maybe Kanye was never here.
He's never a disrespect when I call you Kanye.
I've just been calling you that for 15 years, so it's like, you know, my...
Brother or something.
jordan holmes
I'm going to call him Kanye.
alex jones
He's even better.
jordan holmes
Fuck him.
alex jones
It's definitely taken hold.
I think it's an awesome name.
But seriously, Ye, what else do you want to tweet out to folks?
Because everything right now is going super mega total viral.
What is your message to Trump right now?
What's your message to DeSantis right now?
kanye west
I don't know who DeSantis is.
I never heard of the guy.
alex jones
No, I hear you.
Well, all the elites back in DeSantis gives me a lot of concern.
jordan holmes
No, I hear you.
No, I hear you.
dan friesen
No one knows who DeSantis is.
jordan holmes
No, I've never heard of him either.
dan friesen
Who is that guy?
jordan holmes
Anything you say is true.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
His name is Ronald?
jordan holmes
Can I lick your feet?
dan friesen
So, Nick, not a white supremacist.
kanye west
It's like, we love Trump.
We love yay.
nick fuentes
That's right.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
It's Ye and Trump.
And anybody going for DeSantis or McCarthy, that's just not the energy.
That's not the vibe.
That's not MAGA.
That's not Jesus energy.
That's not dragon energy.
And I like what Ye said about people need to just put it all on the line and finally tell the truth.
That's the problem.
alex jones
Well, here's the bottom line.
You're not a white supremacist.
I've seen your show.
You love everybody.
You stand up for white people.
Everybody should stand up for themselves and everybody else.
That's a load of crap that you're a white supremacist.
nick fuentes
True, yeah.
alex jones
Did you help round up Jews like George Soros?
nick fuentes
No.
alex jones
Okay, well then.
nick fuentes
I would, yeah.
alex jones
I don't want to hear anything from the ADL or anybody else.
kanye west
But for the ADL, I want to say there's a lot of good Nazis that were just fighting for their country.
And for them all...
alex jones
Like George Soros.
kanye west
For them all to get put in a box.
They're all in a box.
Every Nazi's bad.
Well, could some of the Nazis have just been fighting for their country?
Oh, we can't put them all in a box.
dan friesen
See, again, Alex is trying to do that Soros reflex thing.
The deflection.
And he's not having any part of it.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
There are good Nazis.
jordan holmes
Hey, maybe Soros is good, I guess.
It's up in the air.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
It's up in the air, man.
You never know.
dan friesen
So Alex, you know, he's having this trouble with his deflections not being accepted.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so he tries to explain to Ye that Hitler was a bad dude.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
Let's see how this goes.
dan friesen
Doesn't work.
alex jones
Seriously, I've really studied a lot of history.
Plus, I had family that was there.
And so, I mean, I don't think Hitler was a good guy.
I get the Hugo Boss uniforms.
jordan holmes
Big take.
alex jones
But, I mean, just because you're in love with the design, you're a designer, can we just kind of say, like, you like the uniforms, but that's about it.
kanye west
No, there's a lot of things that I love about Hitler.
A lot of things.
unidentified
Hey, Netten, what did you think about that, Netten?
jordan holmes
This is insane.
kanye west
You're an insane person.
How could you say something?
It's okay then.
alex jones
So let me ask you.
You like the Azog Battalion because they openly howl Hitler.
They're the leftovers of World War II.
They support Zelensky in attacking Russia.
So you like the Azog Battalion.
kanye west
I love...
Everyone.
dan friesen
You're not going to be able to trap him with one of these things.
jordan holmes
There's no trap.
dan friesen
I love everyone.
jordan holmes
There's no way to trap him.
This doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
By your logic.
jordan holmes
None of what he's saying makes sense or means anything.
He could be saying any words right now.
He would have the same effect.
dan friesen
He's talking to a fishnet.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
A fish tank net.
jordan holmes
If I was writing a parody character, and I have, of a Nazi, who says exactly what they believe, I wouldn't get this ridiculous.
It's unbelievable.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's pretty silly.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But that, again, masks the dangerousness and the toxicity of the actual ideas that are being put forth.
So, Ye has some thoughts about Clockwork Orange.
Did you know that was about Jews?
alex jones
Well, my point is, you weren't involved with Hitler.
You didn't do anything.
So having the ADL say anybody that opposes communism and the New World Order is a Nazi, well, you kind of get what you give.
kanye west
No one cares about the ADL.
They're played out.
alex jones
They ran Twitter until last week.
kanye west
They don't run anything.
No one cares.
They're played out.
People have had a problem.
Look at Clockwork Orange.
There's a part where a Jewish guy makes the guy kiss the shoe and he says, Kiss the Jew.
People have had issues with Jewish people forever, but what I'm saying is I love Jewish people.
I love Jewish people.
alex jones
We're talking about Stanley Kubrick.
Put the war room background up.
You think Clockwork Orange is about Jews?
kanye west
Absolutely.
alex jones
I thought it was about a collapsing...
Stanley Kubrick was a Jew.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
kanye west
Oh, well!
jordan holmes
Well, never mind.
I think I changed my opinions.
I really love 2001.
dan friesen
Alex's response to this discussion is, oh, put up that background from Dr. Strangelo.
jordan holmes
That's going to do it.
That's how we do it.
dan friesen
Wow.
Just abdicating any responsibility to have a coherent conversation.
Well, I guess that there is a point of this where it's like, how could you have a coherent conversation?
But that's not the position Alex has.
He's not just like, well, let's get through it.
He's engaged.
He's just choosing not to do anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
But at the same time, he's still not actively helping it descend into complete chaos.
I think he is.
Yeah, I think he's just kind of realized that he's lost.
dan friesen
Yeah, but by not ending it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a good point.
If you lose, you can just end the game.
You've lost.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If you lost the game, the game is over.
dan friesen
You know it's not going to get better.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
All your tools don't work.
jordan holmes
Kanye's not going to get more coherent.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fucking, like, there is a built-in way to do this.
Just cut the feed, and then be like, we couldn't afford the bandwidth, too many people were watching at the same time, site crashed.
Something like that, you can easily do that and get out of this.
jordan holmes
And if Ye says something different, who fucking cares?
Nobody's gonna believe his ass.
dan friesen
Right, especially not Alex's audience, who he can convince of anything.
So, Alex, I guess...
Out of the goodness of his heart, decides that he's going to try and argue on behalf of Jewish people.
unidentified
Sure!
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
Doesn't work.
jordan holmes
He's a good representative.
alex jones
I see incredible literature and art and music and just so many great, so much great stuff Jews do.
Just like I see so many great things black people do or any other group.
Like, you know, Beethoven's German.
I don't blame Beethoven for Hitler.
jordan holmes
And I believe in free speech.
unidentified
I do.
kanye west
Or what about Wagner?
Or Adi Dossler.
Or Hugo Boss.
We have all this demonization.
We don't care anymore, ADL.
Obviously, no one cares.
Shut up.
No one cares.
jordan holmes
Jesus is king.
kanye west
Shut up.
It's done.
Tomorrow.
It's all the next day.
alex jones
But, you know, German cars do break down and it costs a lot of money to fix.
kanye west
Germans make really good cars.
jordan holmes
Why are we...
alex jones
Japanese make better ones.
kanye west
Germans had a really cool leader one time.
dan friesen
You hear Alex there?
Oh, my God.
He is so just...
He's treading water, but he's not good at treading water, so he's kind of sinking a little bit.
jordan holmes
He's in quicksand.
Everything he does only makes him go deeper in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Ye is mad at Ben Shapiro.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's reasonable.
Not for the same reason.
dan friesen
No.
It's mostly because he's Jewish.
kanye west
I want to say with Ben Shapiro...
He was so disrespectful to his employee, Candace Owens, for speaking out against me.
And that just showed you another level of this kind of control that's out there.
alex jones
No, I agree.
jordan holmes
And I want her.
alex jones
She's a really smart, beautiful lady.
She's really defended you.
But, I mean, are you saying Ben Shapiro's got her on a leash?
kanye west
I think it's pretty obvious.
Oh, boy.
alex jones
You know, it was our Paul Watson.
We didn't launch her.
She deserved it.
But InfoWars launched Candace Owens.
kanye west
Yes, but everyone is still controlled by the Jewish media.
We need to serve Christ first.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wait, so is he controlled?
What is going on?
dan friesen
Well, the Jewish media is...
unidentified
How about it?
jordan holmes
I think they're controlling this Alex interview, clearly.
dan friesen
Well, see, Alex wants to push back a little bit on this idea of the Jewish media.
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, that would be wise.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He didn't do it all of the other times.
jordan holmes
No, that would have been wiser back then.
dan friesen
Sure.
He let that slide a number of times when Ye brings up and complains about the Jewish media.
jordan holmes
Total wisdom decreases after every opportunity.
dan friesen
So he tries, and I think he does maybe the worst job possible.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
Thanks, Alex.
alex jones
Let me just bring up a real-world example.
I only met Matt Drudge once.
He came here, hung out a few hours, and went to dinner.
He's Jewish.
I never asked for anything.
He never told me what to do.
He only sent a few emails here and there to writers saying, hey, would you like something to email it to me?
And he was a Jewish guy that totally helped us go to the next level.
We would have been successful without him, but he supercharged it.
Then suddenly he flips the other side, never talked to him again, and his website's like a Democrat hellscape.
But I'm just saying, it's like I've known a lot of Jews in my life, and I didn't have the Hollywood experience you had.
I've seen all the Jews in my life.
Overall, we're very nice people.
That's all I'm saying.
kanye west
I'm actually tired of hearing about the Jews.
Like, I love them.
Honestly, I don't even care that much.
alex jones
But we spent the last two hours talking about them.
jordan holmes
You make a good point.
kanye west
It's fun.
alex jones
We don't want to hear about them.
We want to talk about them all day.
kanye west
Because being canceled is fun because we're showing you guys the extent that you can go, right?
Because everything at this point that you do proves my point.
Watch this.
If I say DEFCON 3 and then...
You canceled all of my deals.
You proved exactly why I needed to go Defcon.
alex jones
No, no, I agree with what you said.
Let me stop you.
kanye west
Alex, Alex, let me channel.
Let me channel.
dan friesen
It's a channel.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you.
dan friesen
Now, here is the problem with what Ye is saying here.
Alex can't argue with this.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Because Alex believes that negative consequences are equivalent to virtue.
jordan holmes
That's the point.
dan friesen
He says that whenever he's being attacked, it's because he's over the target.
So, if Ye says there's negative consequences that come from these anti-Semitic things that I say that proves that I'm right about those things, Alex...
That is a fundamental belief that Alex has about cause and effect.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
And so this is bad territory for Alex.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex is not going to...
You know, I mean...
dan friesen
And also...
Come off this shit about the I'm tired of hearing about the Jewish people.
jordan holmes
Well, you're just not going to win in a conversation with a bipolar person.
It's just not going to happen.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's why I avoid you.
unidentified
Yeah, it's smart.
jordan holmes
If I'm manic, you just...
I'll tell you one trick to helping people who are experiencing a manic episode.
And it's not going to be in any books.
You need to...
Force them to eat as much food as they can possibly get, and then get them as high as they can possibly get.
dan friesen
Ooh, yeah, that's not gonna be in a book.
jordan holmes
And it is going to, it's going to work.
For a while, if you just keep doing it, and medication's not gonna sedate you, don't try any other drugs.
dan friesen
But the weed and tons of food.
jordan holmes
That's the way you gotta do it.
It'll get you through a day, at least.
dan friesen
I find, I don't know if it's just sort of a, um...
A function of your awareness or self work that you've done or whatever.
But I find it with you just sort of calling things out is helpful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's because you're aware of your own tendencies.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe that's not the case with someone like EA necessarily.
jordan holmes
I mean, you've never seen me go...
Full manic episode.
dan friesen
I've never seen you go DEF CON 3. I would not name it that.
jordan holmes
I'm a much happier, but no less a tornado of will that you will fall towards.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't look forward to that ever happening.
jordan holmes
It won't.
kanye west
Medication.
dan friesen
So, this idea of the negative consequences being the same as virtue in Alex's world is being used by Ye in a way that I think is really dangerous.
kanye west
If I go on this interview and I say, I love Hitler, and then they go and 5150 me and try to lobotomize me like we saw Harley Passenach do, or they put me in prison, it just proves what I'm saying.
And it's going to spark the high schools.
It's going to spark the grammar schools.
It's going to spark the colleges that say enough is enough.
It doesn't matter.
How on the spectrum you think I am, I have the right to speak out loud.
That is our First Amendment.
And it's a shame that you have to be considered to be on the spectrum to have enough courage to speak out loud.
I do love my family, right?
But I looked at every possible outcome.
I've practiced Chinese water torture on myself.
I would, like, skip along Malibu in front of my house and sing, When the Clintons come to kill me, how is it going to be?
unidentified
What are they going to do to kill me?
kanye west
Wait a second.
Netten, what do you have to say about this?
Netten, don't want to say netten!
dan friesen
Oof.
So, net aside, The perspective that he's putting out is, if I go out and I say this pro-Hitler, anti-Semitic drivel, this nonsense, alongside my anti-Semitic buddy Nick Fuentes, and Milo, and forest Nazi Owen Benjamin, if I put together this crew of Nazi losers, and I say all this really horrible stuff, then I have consequences.
It proves my argument was correct, and this will spark a wave of...
anti-Semitism being proven and taken in by the youth.
Yeah.
unidentified
And I don't know how accurate that is, but it wouldn't be a zero.
dan friesen
It won't be 100% of the high schoolers become anti-Semitic because of this, but it's also not 0%.
What he's describing would be a phenomenon in some percentage.
And that's fucked up, because there are just natural consequences to behaving like this that have nothing to do with proving that your anti-Semitic arguments were correct.
But, in Alex's conception of how the world works, he has no leg to stand on to be like, that's nonsense, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He kind of is forced to go along with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, unfortunately, he's argued himself into a place where his arguments are all pointing towards, yeah, it's okay.
Do whatever you want.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, though, Ye does not actually care that much about Hitler.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I didn't think so.
dan friesen
So that's great news.
But, unfortunately, this clip is really bad.
kanye west
I don't really care that much about Hitler.
I love him.
alex jones
Did he just do it as a way to, like, troll?
kanye west
No, he seems like a cool guy.
You know, it's like he had a really cool outfit and stuff, and he was a really good architect.
alex jones
So you're in love with the look of it.
kanye west
And he didn't kill six million Jews.
That's just, like, factually incorrect.
alex jones
Guys, get the Ronald Reagan clip they showed me yesterday.
Sorry, go ahead.
Ronald Reagan said that, too.
Well, I think Hitler did target and kill some people.
So I think, you know.
jordan holmes
Strong take.
kanye west
Palestinians.
alex jones
No, I hear you.
Here's where I think the frustration is.
Nick, you can comment on this.
kanye west
And Obama was not the first black president.
He was another Jewish president.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, we've got some Holocaust denial.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Hitler was a cool dude.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I don't care that much about Hitler, but also the Holocaust didn't happen.
jordan holmes
There is an issue there.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
I mean, I think this is the headline, at very least.
Like, if you're going to cover this stuff in the way that it has been on Twitter, with, like, Kanye says that he loves Hitler or whatever, that's all good and well, but, like, he does deny the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Yes, very seriously, he denies the Holocaust.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He does not believe the Holocaust happened, therefore...
He can go fuck himself.
dan friesen
It seems a bit more relevant than his...
Because admittedly, there are elements of his I love Hitler stuff that is fucking around.
I believe that he means the things he's saying, but there is the same...
Dodge that so many of these people, like Nick Fuentes do, where it's like, I'm joking.
I'm joking around.
Or like, I love Hitler, but I love everybody.
I'm going to focus and talk a lot about how much I love Hitler.
But I love everybody.
And I think that that's a little bit more slippery in some ways than him just straight up He didn't kill six million Jews.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I think we've all known somebody in our lives who's had that, like, I'm an asshole.
Oh, Hitler was actually great kind of day or whatever it is.
But if you deny the Holocaust, that is not anything.
That's you have read bullshit and you think it's true.
dan friesen
The end.
So Owen comes in and he discusses how this is culture jamming.
That's what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Denying the Holocaust?
dan friesen
He might not have been listening for that part, or at least he's probably going to pretend he wasn't listening for that part.
jordan holmes
Right, it's smart not to listen to that part.
dan friesen
Well, like the White Lives Matter shirt.
That's culture jamming, because they took this thing that the left was doing, and they're like, ha ha, how do you like it when we do it?
jordan holmes
Here's a racist version of that.
Ha ha!
Surprise!
We proved why you made those shirts!
dan friesen
And man, it's really just all free speech stuff.
owen shroyer
Ye talks about wearing the White Lives Matter shirt, and really this is what we're doing here today, too.
It's culture jamming.
That's what we're doing.
Oh, you can wear a Black Lives Matter shirt, but you can't wear a White Lives Matter shirt.
We're ramming their own culture down their throat, and we're finding out that they don't like it.
Same thing with this interview today.
We believe in free speech.
Whether we agree with what each other are saying or not, we believe in their right to say it.
alex jones
It's an exercise of us showing we're here, we have our own platform, and the Internet.
Number one story, hands down, in the world, right now, is this broadcast, because people want free speech.
Great point.
dan friesen
You should be proud of yourself.
Getting a lot of attention for your bullshit.
But Owen, two people at least involved in this don't believe in free speech.
Allie wants blasphemy laws, and Nick has been very public about how little he cares about free speech.
It is a tool by which he is able to push his agenda.
You don't care about free speech.
Maybe you think you do, but you're sitting in a room with extremists who are using free speech as a way...
To create a Christian fascist state.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not the same thing.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So anyway, Owen also was like, hey man, this isn't about Nazis.
And then Ye is like, yeah it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course it is.
That is what we are talking about.
I'm mad on Ye's behalf now.
If I'm Ye, I'm like, legitimately guys, I love Nazis!
unidentified
Okay?
dan friesen
But I think he's having fun.
Poking all the times that they say, like, they try and do cover for him.
I think he enjoys this.
jordan holmes
That is true.
owen shroyer
Well, I would say, I don't think the story here with Ye should be about anti-Semitism or Nazis or any of that.
To me, the human interest story is...
kanye west
They're fine.
owen shroyer
But Ye, think about what you can do with your platform right now, because they want to make that the issue.
kanye west
Most people say, I grew up...
jordan holmes
The whole world!
unidentified
Everybody watching this, right now.
jordan holmes
You understand you have primed your audience to know what they means, and they means what...
Kanye is saying!
You are saying that Kanye is right in your attempt to be like, hey, Kanye, don't you think it's them?
Yes, that's what he's saying!
dan friesen
Owen just doesn't get it, man.
He has no conception of what he's a part of here, and a clip like that just illustrates it.
He wants to cover his ass and reframe this interview in a way that non-Nazis can see as acceptable, and Ye wants no part of that.
He doesn't want to be sanitized.
He doesn't want plausible deniability.
He's doing what he's doing, and people like Owen and Alex are just props to make that happen.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Nick gets this.
Ali even seems to know the score, but Alex and Owen, the people whose platform this is, are the marks.
They want the message EA is pushing to be pushed.
They also just don't want their entire facade to be punctured.
So they have to do this performative sanitization and fake pushback because that's worked with every other time they've had to deal with bigot grifters.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They can remind them subtly to protect the business.
But not today.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Also, pro tip for the next right-wing shithead who decides to interview Ye in the future, don't use the word they around him.
jordan holmes
I mean, really.
What do you think is going to happen?
dan friesen
Yeah, you're going to get called out.
jordan holmes
Fucking, yeah.
You're an idiot.
You just agreed with him.
He wins.
You're done forever.
dan friesen
It's his favorite game.
jordan holmes
Can you believe the low bar?
Of intelligence here.
Low bar!
Because it makes Nick Fuentes look like a fucking genius.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he is an idiot.
dan friesen
I struggle.
I struggle with exactly how to describe him.
I don't think he's an idiot, but he's definitely, he's far more savvy than any of these ding-dongs.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, speaking of ding-dongs, Tim Pool.
You know, he took a risk.
Didn't work out.
jordan holmes
You shot his shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
Certainly probably got a lot of viewers.
jordan holmes
Definitely did.
dan friesen
Looked like an idiot.
jordan holmes
He is an idiot.
dan friesen
And also here, congratulations on this, Tim.
alex jones
Why did you think you were able to do three hours here?
You just did three hours, three minutes, by the way.
Or no, you had done three hours, three minutes.
Why were you able to stay here but not with Tim Pool?
kanye west
Because Tim Pool got the call from those boys ten minutes before I got there and said, flag this and flag that.
Also, Tim Pool is the NPC, you know, and you're a real human being, so no one's ever heard of Tim Pool.
You know, you're the legend that is Alex Jones, and you were fighting on the front line, and now we're here with you.
You got some other superheroes part of the Avenger movie, Fighting for Christ, and Free Speech.
dan friesen
Congratulations, Tim.
You did good.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
It's fun for them, because I bet...
That hurt Tim Pool's feelings.
And I would love for Ye to say that nobody's ever heard of us.
That'd be fucking fantastic.
I would have a field day with that.
dan friesen
You just thinking the idea that Ye would ever have thought of you is bizarre.
jordan holmes
It is hilarious to me.
dan friesen
In the same way that hearing Norm say that they couldn't get someone to be the corporate representative because of us.
That is bizarre and surreal.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
The idea that Ye would ever have thought the name Jordan Holmes.
Is unthinkable.
But, like, Tim Pool, like, this has got to sting.
That's really got to hurt.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
That's got to hurt.
That's got to hurt so bad.
dan friesen
You're a NPC and no one's ever heard of you.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Yay!
The guy who came up with Net and Yahoo, or Yoohoo.
dan friesen
It was pretty good.
jordan holmes
He devastated you.
That's sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, and not only came up with Net and Yoohoo, it's a runner.
jordan holmes
He's kept going.
He's done the voice, and he hasn't broken once, which I think we should respect on that front.
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Well, fair enough.
dan friesen
So, Ye has a policy, and that is that no black people should ever criticize him.
alex jones
Dave, early, was like...
kanye west
To you.
What do you have to say about Corey Smith's gold teeth?
alex jones
Real quick.
Ten years ago, he was like, there's a mafia.
They came to me and said, what do I got to do?
He ran off to Africa.
Now he's kind of come back.
Did he sell out?
kanye west
He didn't sell out.
Yeah, he sold out a little bit because he denounced the king.
You know what I'm saying?
He denounced me.
I'm the one fighting on the front line.
And no black person should say nothing bad about me in public unless they a puppet.
Period.
I put my life on the line.
And then afterwards, they're gonna talk about it.
If anything happens to me, everyone's gonna go, oh, he was the greatest.
He was the greatest.
Everybody shut up.
Everybody shut up.
Go home to your scared little bins and your scared little townhome and your scared little movie contracts and shut up.
Don't talk to me about nothing.
dan friesen
There's these moments of hostility that come out.
jordan holmes
George Bush doesn't care about black people and I am fucking here for it.
Let's go!
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
I did see a tweet that was really funny.
It was like, George W. Bush should come out and say Kanye doesn't care about people.
jordan holmes
I know!
That's exactly what should happen.
We've done a complete upside-down world.
dan friesen
We need to get Mike Myers.
alex jones
Yes, exactly!
dan friesen
Redo it.
jordan holmes
I mean, God damn it.
Whoever's working on SNL, we've finally given you your first good bit.
dan friesen
I apologize that I don't remember whose tweet that was.
I don't want to rip somebody off.
That was a really funny thought.
jordan holmes
Not yours, but that is very funny.
dan friesen
I don't even know how to respond to this other than, please.
Alex has something to say that is just ridiculous.
alex jones
By the way, I want to say the future, we're very close with some folks to actually having a bank.
It's funny you bring that up.
A bank and internet processing for patrons.
That's the future, is not trying to fix Twitter or fix any of it.
Building our own system.
dan friesen
Yeah, would you like to bank with InfoWars?
unidentified
InfoBank!
dan friesen
Free speech systems is in bankruptcy.
Just this morning as we're recording this, Alex declared bankruptcy personally.
jordan holmes
Personally?
Ooh, that's good news!
dan friesen
He's facing a billion dollar plus judgment in his Sandy Hook cases, and there are more to go.
I don't know if I would get involved.
Also, shouldn't he be against the FDIC?
There's a lot of reasons I wouldn't bank on him.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to do a bank bank.
I'm going to do more like an FTX thing, where it's like I steal everybody's money on a lie.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
I'm going to do a bank, but we're only going to work with hard currency, and I'll keep your deposits in a hole in my backyard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I am going to steal your money.
dan friesen
Can't imagine anything less trustworthy.
I would sooner get involved with Alex's, like, when he had a dating site on his awards.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Way, way.
It's safer.
It's safer.
At least you probably might meet a human.
dan friesen
So, Alex has had a day.
You know, sometimes you come to the office and you think, I'm going to cruise through this work day.
I got a high energy guest coming in.
The whole day is, I don't have to do any kind of prep.
I'm not doing any real work.
I'm just sitting here talking to Ye and Nick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like my job, except for not Ye.
dan friesen
It's going to be almost like a half day at school.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And unfortunately you show up and then it's like, oh no, it's all homework.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the substitute teacher isn't going to play us a movie.
We are getting quizzes.
We're getting bullshit.
dan friesen
And the substitute teacher's gonna say fucked up things that I'm gonna have to deal with somehow?
jordan holmes
We're gonna have to call the principal or something?
I'm nine.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is no good.
jordan holmes
You are telling me about...
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has had quite a day, and he decides he wants to end the show by making one thing explicitly clear to Ye, and that is that Hitler is not cool.
He's not a good dude.
jordan holmes
It shouldn't be hard.
dan friesen
And I mean, how would you...
I mean, you would respond to that probably with like, you bet.
jordan holmes
You got it, sir.
dan friesen
Nailed it.
Not only that, I think he's probably worse than you think.
jordan holmes
You know what?
In fact, you and I might disagree on how worse he is.
dan friesen
Historical villain.
Bad dude.
jordan holmes
Bad dude.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has another approach.
He decides, you know how I denied the Holocaust earlier?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm going to do it again.
I'm going to do it again.
It was fun.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't do that.
alex jones
Let me just say this in closing.
I've done a lot of study.
I think Hitler was a really bad guy, and I repudiate what Hitler did.
I understand that the British intelligence set him up and used him.
kanye west
I like Hitler.
alex jones
I don't like Hitler.
I know you're trying to be shocking to that.
kanye west
I'm not trying to be shocking.
I like Hitler.
I do not.
The Holocaust is not what happened.
Let's look at the facts of that.
And Hitler has a lot of redeeming qualities.
alex jones
So tell us, you think Hitler was the good guy in World War II?
kanye west
I think God says man should not kill.
We should not have wars, period.
dan friesen
Okay.
So your trap didn't work there either?
Nope.
You have allowed this gentleman to...
Say horrific things and now deny the Holocaust twice.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Three more times and he'll be as good as Peter.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, hey man, I gotta tell you that the Holocaust happened.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, I'll tell you this.
I have not done that much research into World War II.
I'm not yet 40. I mean, all old white men past the age of 40 eventually have a World War II phase.
dan friesen
I got a couple years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're almost there.
But yeah, I didn't need a lot of research.
I can tell you confidently, with 100% certainty, Hitler's a bad dude.
dan friesen
Hitler is a bad dude.
jordan holmes
Hitler is a bad dude.
dan friesen
But Alex, I do think that this is one thing I will say to...
It's not to his credit, but it is, like, this is pushing back a little bit.
I think he does realize that, like...
I maybe didn't catch it the first time, but now that he's denied the Holocaust again, I do have to make very clear that I believe the Holocaust happened.
jordan holmes
Even Alex Jones has to be like, the Holocaust did happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a line, apparently, and here is where it is.
alex jones
It's the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's good.
kanye west
And I feel like I love everyone accordingly, from all the way from the Balenciagas to the Hitlers.
alex jones
Let me tell you a story.
kanye west
Hold on, sir.
alex jones
Okay.
kanye west
To Ari Emanuel, to Jamie Dimon.
And to the people who...
alex jones
What's that?
Amber Alert.
Here's what I'm saying.
My grandfather would never tell World War II stories.
And after he died, we read over his stuff.
And he never even told my dad all the stuff he did and everything.
But it was all in their letters and accommodations.
He told me...
He said, kid...
I was like eight years old.
kanye west
I always thought Amber Alerts is when my ex-girlfriend Amber was doing something in the streets.
I got to Amber Alerts.
alex jones
Before he died, I was like five years old.
The point was...
And I was like, tell me a World War II story.
Tell me a World War II story.
He said, okay, well, we came out of Africa.
We came into Italy.
He was there three years.
He said by the time they got to Germany, they went into this death camp, and there were piles of dead bodies 100 feet tall with black birds eating people's eyeballs out.
All I'm telling you is that just because you hate the globalists and what they're doing, and I get it, Klaus Schwab's grandfather was a Nazi.
There's Nazis above the ADL.
kanye west
Yeah, but Nazis are, like, kind of cool.
dan friesen
It's not going to work.
Whatever you're doing is not going to work.
But I do appreciate, Alex, at least being like the Holocaust did happen.
jordan holmes
The Holocaust happened.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The Holocaust happened, and it was bad.
And I'm going to throw this out there.
I don't care what god you believe in, it is okay to hate the Nazis.
In fact, I would say it's maybe an immoral imperative to hate the Nazis.
dan friesen
And whatever group you are mad at or hate...
Does not justify you denying the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And at least Alex is there.
But I also think that maybe on some level that is a strategic calculation on his part because he's like...
I will be straight up fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's one thing that I have to do, and that is remember that the U.S. was the good guy in World War II.
That's all I gotta do.
dan friesen
And quite frankly, my brand won't survive if I put up with Holocaust denial explicitly.
jordan holmes
There's too many old conservatives who are still like, listen.
World War II is legitimately the only thing we can hang our hat on, honestly.
dan friesen
Well, and old those types who are in Alex's audience that are the people who buy his dumb pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's who I'm describing.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to be like, yeah, you're being edgy and all this stuff.
ali alexander
Sure, sure, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Ali comes in and shuts Alex the fuck down.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
Listen at the end of this clip.
Alex is just completely dejected and like, Ah, fuck.
I got nothing.
alex jones
Do you have any comments on Hitler?
ali alexander
Who did Ye say he hated?
Ye didn't say he hated anybody.
Why isn't anybody listening to him?
He said, I love this person.
jordan holmes
We are, man.
ali alexander
I love the people who are trying to take away my children.
I love this person.
alex jones
Listen, I'm just getting it totally clear.
But I think Stalin...
ali alexander
You did the same thing.
alex jones
Stalin is horrible.
Hitler is horrible.
Mao is horrible.
kanye west
No, no.
I love all of those people.
alex jones
He loved Mao Zedong.
kanye west
Absolutely.
Well, clarify that.
alex jones
You're like Christlike.
You love everybody.
You love Jim Jones.
You love Jeffrey Dahmer.
kanye west
Absolutely.
alex jones
Okay, well, let's clarify.
ali alexander
But he didn't need clarification because he said, I'm starting with the Bible.
He's ending with the Bible.
But they did it to you, Alex, because you had a guy who came here.
You're like, I'll be Satan.
I'll be the evil guy.
I did Sandy Hook.
Remember, you did the same thing that he's doing right now.
alex jones
All right.
Absolutely.
Yay, we appreciate you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's not really what Yay is doing.
But if Alex believes that's what he's doing, or if that is the kind of last refuge that Alex has to try and contextualize this interview in a way that is palatable to people, Ali has just been like, boom.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Door slam.
jordan holmes
And let's not forget.
Nick Fuentes, originally, he said, I agree with Ye, and then his head went back underneath the table in Ye's lap.
So, I don't know how Fuentes feels.
dan friesen
Enough of that.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sick of his shit.
unidentified
Fuck him.
dan friesen
I understand, but enough of the...
jordan holmes
Non-stop.
dan friesen
Sucking off stuff.
jordan holmes
If he wants to suck Kanye off...
dan friesen
Enough of that.
jordan holmes
All right.
He's the one sucking him off.
dan friesen
So, Ye once again complains about the Jewish media.
Because Alex was trying to sort of coast to a closing statement.
But apparently what you really want to leave things on is that Gay wants to fuck Ari Emanuel's wife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
alex jones
You love everybody.
You don't judge them.
It's God to judge.
I agree with that statement.
And we've got to change ourselves and stop pointing our fingers at somebody else.
kanye west
Exactly.
And it's to say, hey, I'm going to show you how much Jewish media can't tell me what to say.
You like that, Ari?
And I'm telling you, we could get a nice private room, me and your wife can go in and work on the clothing line.
I'm really good at it, and it'll be super Christian.
Hey, Rom, it's okay.
alex jones
You gotta thank him for his wife?
kanye west
Absolutely not.
I would not look at his wife for a second, but I do believe that the clothing line could use some creative improvement.
alex jones
All right.
Infowars.com, tomorrow's news today.
Nick?
dan friesen
Tomorrow's news today is apparently Ari Emanuel's wife's clothing line isn't up to snuff.
jordan holmes
Not that good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not that good.
dan friesen
I do appreciate that Alex is at least sort of observant enough to notice that he keeps talking about Ari Emanuel's wife.
jordan holmes
Getting kind of weird there, man.
unidentified
I have a fraught relationship with women myself, but goddamn.
dan friesen
I'm shocked Alex didn't pick up on the, hey, you got a problem.
Problem with porn, dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
dan friesen
Because that was just as transparent.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, as Ye leaves, Alex does not seem incredibly happy.
jordan holmes
No, I wouldn't either!
alex jones
Alright, hey, Ye, I appreciate you coming, and I appreciate the First Amendment.
And look, he's not taking the mask off.
Ye was not here.
Incredible impersonator.
Wilbert Johnson was the impersonator.
Wilbert?
kanye west
Netten was here, though.
alex jones
Actually, Benjamin Nettenyahu played Kanye West today.
kanye west
Hey, Nathan.
What you up?
alex jones
Hey, yay.
Guys, here are the justice reduction.
jordan holmes
Ooh, he broke.
Finally broke.
alex jones
Come right back and talk to Owen and the rest of the crew.
Owen, get in here.
kanye west
Do the last hour with Nathan Yahoo.
alex jones
All right.
This has been incredible.
Folks, free shipping.
Infoworkstore.com is back.
dan friesen
Play the Justin Trudeau thing.
Owen, get in here.
jordan holmes
This has been incredible.
dan friesen
So, when Ye leaves, there's still the fourth hour, a bit of the fourth hour, and then the war room.
Alex says they're gonna take three hours of calls.
They're just gonna get everybody's opinion on this interview.
They're gonna get down to it, talk about free speech.
And then Alex spends the rest of his show...
Just sort of navel-gazing about how many viewers they have.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And begging them to tell their friends about the show.
It's like, oh, we have 25 million people watching.
If all of you told your friends, think about the, we could make a real change.
That's all of it.
He doesn't take any calls on his show.
And then, so he's there hosting the War Room with Owen at the beginning.
It's just a desperate attempt to rewrite what happened.
jordan holmes
It makes sense that he would spend the rest of his show navel-gazing, because that's the only way he has to get back some of his pride.
It's been so ripped away from him that now he's balming himself by saying, it was all worth it because of all these views.
dan friesen
And not only that, I'm going to play just a couple clips of this.
Now that Ye is gone...
He is able to rewrite what he said without Ye saying, no, I like Nazis.
alex jones
He was being tongue-in-cheek.
I'm not even apologizing for him.
I get the shock value of what he was saying.
He goes, I love the Zionists.
I love Stalin.
I love Mao Zedong.
I love Mao.
So it's all over the place, ladies and gentlemen, and it's gone super mega viral.
Number one story in the world right now is this.
Infowars.com.
Tomorrow's news today.
Now, here's the problem with having 76, 77 million people so far tuned in today.
unidentified
It's normally 3 or 4 million.
alex jones
This will cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars today.
We have great bandwidth deals.
But when you've got, not as people listen to audio, but you've got 30, 40, 50 million people in just the last couple hours tuned in.
That costs some serious dinero.
dan friesen
So anyway, that gets to an ad pivot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And here is another attempt to just recontextualize what Ye was saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
owen shroyer
But you know what you did do today, Alex, was you let Ye speak.
You had the most successful podcast live stream with Ye as the guest.
He didn't like any of the other interviews he did.
He walked out of some of them, obviously, like he mentioned with Tim Pool.
And so I think, again, today, you are the champion of free speech.
You put your neck out there with knowing the risks, knowing what was probably going to be said.
And you did it.
And you did it.
And it got the most views on a live stream ever on the internet.
In the most banned studio in the world.
So that's the real story that I take away, is that free speech, it might be under serious attack, but it's not dead.
The people still want it.
They still want to hear controversial things.
alex jones
But the whole point is, if they're promoting pedophilia, if a black dude wants to love Hitler, let him.
I mean, he obviously wasn't doing that.
He was doing it as a shock value, but they're going to lie now.
He even said that was shock value.
jordan holmes
He denied the Holocaust, man.
alex jones
They're the ones doing that.
dan friesen
He denied the Holocaust multiple times, and he specifically said, this is not for shock value.
I am not trolling any of this stuff.
Alex, when he tried to use these excuses for what Ye was saying while Ye was there, he said no.
And he said, not only that, I love Hitler.
Nazis are great.
Holocaust didn't happen.
Now that he's gone, Alex can do this.
It's the same thing with Tim Poole.
Tim would not stand up and assert his position or say, hey, I don't think this is cool until the minute Ye left.
This is all just really pathetic attempts at saving face, reclaiming something, rewriting the narrative in a way that works for you because this person didn't play along with the way that you were going.
And as to what Owen's saying, like, oh, congratulations, you did three hours with an anti-Semite when Tim Pool only lasted 20 minutes.
That is not the compliment you think it is.
jordan holmes
I listened to that and I was like, he does not understand that essentially what he just said is...
It is worth it to us to broadcast Holocaust denial and hate because we got money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or hypothetical money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We don't even know if we got it yet.
dan friesen
Some of those people might have just been watching for free, and it might have bankrupted me.
jordan holmes
It might have cost us more to have this interview than we make from this interview.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oops.
dan friesen
I was listening to The War Room, and I noticed this on the Infowars feed.
It wasn't on the feed.
This was on the video that they posted of The War Room.
I thought this was weird.
alex jones
I mean, don't we all know that?
Like, we listen to Jimi Hendrix not because he's black.
He's an incredible musician.
You can hear that music and say that's...
owen shroyer
Breaking from Hollywood.
Breaking from the mainstream.
dan friesen
Definitely something cut out there.
And so I was thinking like, well, it's got to be something really fucking offensive if all the other things are still there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
If that is out of...
If anything is cut out of this interview, fuck me.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I found the actual Raw video of this.
And it's really just them talking about China and how they want China to be free.
It's not offensive at all.
It's about six minutes of extraneous conversation about liberty for the Chinese people.
But then there's this, and I think it might have been why it was cut out.
alex jones
And I've got a big crisis here.
I want you to host for five minutes.
We've maxed out money, and I've got to go.
Somewhere find money to pay for the bandwidth.
And this is not a joke, folks.
When you got 30, 40, 50 million extra people watching videos, the bills are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars a day.
And so we've been told...
I gotta go deal with the bill just to even stay on air right now.
That's how close this all is.
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dan friesen
So Alex leaves and he doesn't come back.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
He was gonna take calls for hours and it's just Owen.
It's boring as hell.
I don't care.
And then he interviews Jesse Lee Peterson.
And I think that...
Maybe they cut that out because it looks really weak, and you don't want that in the final product, and the next morning Alex declared bankruptcy.
So maybe that is more real than it usually appears with the sales pitches.
No, they straight up got hit with serious expenses because of the...
I mean, it is funny that he got bankrupted because Ye did something that he...
jordan holmes
previously decried, which was breaking the internet.
Appears that he's hoisted.
dan friesen
There is a little bit of irony.
jordan holmes
Irony abounds in this whole fucking thing.
dan friesen
So, I don't particularly care about Owen's rambling nonsense defenses of what has happened on the show, so we're not going to spend more time diving into that.
The words almost fail, you know, when trying to look at what has happened here.
There's a lot of missing the forest for the trees in terms of just boiling this down to yay loves Hitler or yay likes Nazis.
Because, I mean, that certainly is a piece of it.
But there's so much more going on that all funnels into that.
You know, it's not like there are a ton of different things that are happening.
There are a bunch of different things that are all rooted back to this anti-Semitic ideology and the clear influences of the people like milo nick uh owen benjamin ali that are around him yeah you know these these uh the obsession with pornography and the evils of it um very clearly is just a side road of his anti-semitic ideas yeah this is um It's troubling.
I mean, I was in the shower earlier, and I was thinking...
jordan holmes
Weeping.
Why did I choose to do this?
Why is Jordan my friend?
All of these things, yeah.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, look, I'm a bit sleep-deprived, so some of those thoughts may come later.
I had a feeling of, like, this is the worst episode of InfoWars I've ever heard.
And I don't know if I can confidently say that, because he said there have been a lot of really bad episodes.
The Anders Breivik one sticks out to me, and I don't know how much of that was just because it was traumatic for me to cover that episode, and the research into it was really horrible.
But in terms of, like...
A presentation of something.
He's had Richard Spencer on.
He's had David Duke on.
Those weren't really as bad as this in terms of the incompetence of the pushback.
Intentional or otherwise.
It's ineffectualness.
The danger of it in terms of what it could be.
I feel like it's worse than David Duke.
In as much as, like, David Duke's not cool.
Kids don't like David Duke.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, there is a unwiseness of debating David Duke when you're definitely not ready to and you don't really disagree with him all that much.
unidentified
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That seems dumb and maybe not the best idea.
Ye is cool, still, to a lot of people.
And also, he has something that David Duke doesn't have, which is people like...
Nick Fuentes and Owen Benjamin and Milo.
And I think that presents a unique set of circumstances that are worse.
I don't know.
I mean, again, I need to sleep on it and reflect.
But this is up there as one of the worst episodes of his show that I've heard.
I mean, it's very rare that you actually get someone denying the Holocaust on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That is something that is, it puts it in a category of its own.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I mean, my thoughts as I come to the end of this horrific whatever this was, is that to me...
dan friesen
And you slept last night.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So you're...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm riding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Disgusting to me than this, because this is a funhouse mirror version of reality, and it's benonkers.
I mean, the Anders Breivik shit is so fucked.
And the way that he dealt with that...
dan friesen
And he killed a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yes, but we're also talking about the fucking Holocaust.
Ye is denying the Holocaust.
dan friesen
That's true, but he didn't do the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
Whereas Anders Breivik did murder a bunch of people.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
And that adds...
I mean, not to say that these issues and anti-Semitic violence doesn't still continue to this day.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But Kanye personally, or Ye personally...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It doesn't have that...
But I guess Anders Breivik wasn't on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So maybe your point is relevant.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, to me, here's my problem.
Because we can argue what the worst is or the definition of the worst.
dan friesen
You may not ever come to an answer on that.
jordan holmes
That can happen all day.
My problem with this is that the one way that almost everybody is going to engage with this To me, the only possible way you can engage with this exactly is if you watch the entire video or if you listen to our show.
Because this is a totality.
And any, any...
Any attempt to shrink it down is damaging.
It's more harmful than his interview.
I mean it.
dan friesen
Clips do a disservice.
And taking things outside, like you're saying, of the totality of what this is, this conversation, the way it goes, I agree with you.
And I think also to double down on that, getting lost in the weeds of the surreality and clear...
Sort of clownishness of it with the Netanyahu stuff and all that.
Getting lost in that and thinking, oh, this is such an absurdity, who would ever take this seriously, is working towards the interest of what the propaganda is meant or how it's meant to be dismissed by people who would take it seriously otherwise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and every one of the people in this interview...
You're not going to get enough context about them through whatever it is that you're reading, whatever tweets you're getting.
Any of it.
Even if you read everything that all the newspapers and blogs and all that shit and all the tweets, you do not know enough about Nick Fuentes.
You do not know enough about Ali Alexander.
You do not have the context necessary to understand what is going on here.
And you definitely don't have any idea how to engage with what Ye is doing right now.
And everyone will be done a disservice because of all of the people that are not named Kanye or Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
That sucks.
jordan holmes
It really fucking sucks!
dan friesen
A lot of things were taken on this episode.
My sleep was deprived from me.
The audience was deprived another deposition episode that was going to be coming out.
jordan holmes
That was going to be so good.
dan friesen
Yeah, hey guys.
Everybody out there.
jordan holmes
Hey, I bet you wish you didn't have so much fucking yay in your life now, don't ya?
dan friesen
I could use a little less.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
And hopefully we'll have some less in the future.
jordan holmes
Never again, hopefully.
dan friesen
Until we come back and have another episode, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
Until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I don't want to do a dumb bit.
jordan holmes
We're tired.
dan friesen
Yep.
steve quayle
And now, here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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