Today, Dan and Jordan go to the past, hoping to escape the rising antisemitism in the modern right wing, only to stumble into an episode that drifts heavily into similar territory. In this installment, Alex covers overzealous gunpowder storage laws, a Holocaust survivor calls in, and another caller brings up Henry Ford's favorite literature. Citations
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
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| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is actually something that I might catch some heat. | ||
| You might catch some heat for it. | ||
| This is a hot take. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, of course, the altar of Selene is a reference to my cat, Selene. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And there's something that I realize I do, and I hadn't realized it, but I really enjoy it. | ||
| And that is, like, if I ever have a knife in my hand, I like to threaten Selene with it. | ||
| I like to hold her at knife point. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| To be like, eh, pause where I can see him. | ||
| Okay, all right, okay, all right. | ||
| Like, obviously that could hurt her or anything, but there's something really funny about the idea of, like, holding a... | ||
| Like, obviously, also, I should say I'm not close to her. | ||
| No, no, no, of course. | ||
| Not like holding a knife up to her or anything. | ||
| No, but you've seen those dog trainers who, like, they'll hold their hand up and then go pow, and the dog will fall over and go like, ah, like that. | ||
| I've not seen that. | ||
| I mean, it's very cool. | ||
| It's very cool to see. | ||
| It's like a game. | ||
| This isn't... | ||
| A game, nor is it fun to see. | ||
| There is a little bit of... | ||
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It's just for me, really. | |
| And then, of course, I give her some pats and some attention and sweetness afterwards. | ||
| She's not threatened by it. | ||
| She doesn't know what a knife is. | ||
| It is better now that your roommate is only a cat, because when you used to do that to your other roommate, that was a little bit of a different story. | ||
| Give me your candy! | ||
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Give me your candy at Halloween! | |
| Yeah, so what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is... | ||
| I mean, we've... | ||
| Holding a knife to your dog? | ||
| Come on! | ||
| It's holding a knife to you right now. | ||
| No, I watched the anime Cyberpunk Edgerunner, so I downloaded the game. | ||
| Cyberpunk 2077 is a very fun, enjoyable game. | ||
| That's my bright spot. | ||
| Yeah, you told me to give it a shot. | ||
| I'm not very far in the game at this point, but I like running around the space. | ||
| I don't know anything that's going on, but I did find an abandoned mo- I don't know if that's part of a later mission or something. | ||
| I was just digging through trash, and I enjoyed it. | ||
| I'm not very far into it either, and there was a moment earlier on where they were treating my character like, oh, this is the best, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, man, I have not done shit. | ||
| I don't know what you guys are talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Yeah, that was nice. | ||
| Putting some respect on my name. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Yeah, so good times. | ||
| Jordan, today we have an episode to do, and I have a little question for you. | ||
| The answer is 34. No. | ||
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Oh, shit! | |
| What does Alex Jones and the Aerosmith song Ragdoll have in common? | ||
| They're still on hiatus. | ||
| Nope, they can both be found on permanent vacation. | ||
| I was wondering if that was where we were going to end. | ||
| The Aerosmith album, permanent vacation. | ||
| That's where we're going to go. | ||
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I was hoping you'd go in a different direction. | |
| Alex is on vacation. | ||
| He is not in studio, so it leaves us in a bit of a difficult position. | ||
| We have these depositions, of course. | ||
| There's more to mine from that, obviously, but some of that is a little bit time-intensive. | ||
| Secondarily, I don't want to put out back-to-back-to-back-to-back. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of depositions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it left us in a position where, thankfully, we're able to recoup a little bit by taking the beginning of the week to nurse ourselves back to health. | ||
| Our psychic wounds. | ||
| But here we are. | ||
| It's Wednesday. | ||
| And so what I decided to do is I wanted to go back to the past. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| And unfortunately, this episode will prove me to be a witch. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No matter what I do, I cannot stop being a witch. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'm sick of your witchitude. | ||
| You have no idea. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This is going to be our first episode where we just play the clips in order, and then at the end I go, really? | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| It's to the point where when I was preparing this episode, I... | ||
| More than once, I said, come on! | ||
| No! | ||
| It's not fair! | ||
| It would be more fun if Neo in The Matrix had taken the red pill but just remembered everything and was like, oh, that's a simulation! | ||
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Come on! | |
| At work all day! | ||
| Anyway, we'll get down to this, but before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks! | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea! | ||
| So first, Jack Chat Mark 9! | ||
| Jack Chat Mark 9! | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now on Policy Walk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Lee Adam McAdoo. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Moochie Buns and the Ladies. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| This may be poorly timed, but thank you so much to Happy Anniversary to Jim from Melissa on this, the date that all lonely wonks celebrate our mass anniversary after coming together on the Facebook group. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you! | |
| And, coming from the outer regions of the universe, it's Dantron Zero and Jordanator. | ||
| Check it! | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| And, we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So, Abu Luna Bear Al-Yiti, the tech wali, thank you so much! | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just gonna take a little break now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken over here! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| We'll never know if he is better today or not. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Because you never see him leaving at the back door. | ||
| Is he better in the past? | ||
| All right. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| So today we're going to be talking about August 13th, 2003. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| The, um... | ||
| No update on whether or not the bath party is being put in power or not. | ||
| Still not? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Still, according to Alex's chronology, they are being put in power in Iraq as debathification is happening. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| There are developments. | ||
| Alex still believes... | ||
| Saddam Hussein's son, still alive? | ||
| I have not gotten an update on that, so yes, I believe he does. | ||
| According to lore and continuity on Alex's show, yes, that is still the case. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| David Kelly was murdered in a ritual sacrifice. | ||
| That's true! | ||
| So we have a lot of dangling threads here. | ||
| But one of the biggest dangling threads, and by that I mean the most muscly, is Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Which Alex doesn't want to talk about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He does not want to talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger, for God's sake. | ||
| Absolutely doesn't want. | ||
| But the media is making him talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And so he does, quite a bit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Got a lot of powerful news and information. | ||
| I'm around the world and right here in the United States, and we'll be going over that starting after the first break. | ||
| In the meantime, I want to just make one more comment about the whole Arnold Schwarzenegger situation. | ||
| I spent a lot of time on this yesterday, and since then I've done even more research. | ||
| I've been... | ||
| Forced to talk about it. | ||
| Forced! | ||
| Because it is the top story. | ||
| It is dwarfing Colby Bryant, the other diversion. | ||
| It is distracting from all the real scams, the lies about weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| The globalists preparing to launch more terror attacks. | ||
| It's smokescreening what's happening with the economy. | ||
| And the reason that I'm so angry about this Arnold Schwarzenegger story is the guy admits... | ||
| That he's anti-gun, anti-family, he's for abortion, on demand, he is for homosexuals adopting children. | ||
| In his own book, Evolution of a Bodybuilder, he says he doesn't like Christians. | ||
| So you see there, first of all, this presentation that he's forced to talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But on his list of complaints, a lot of that stuff sounds exactly like what you would hear nowadays. | ||
| He's for abortion, he's anti-gun. | ||
| But the focus is on homosexuals at this point because it's 2003 and this is where it is appropriate for Alex to attack. | ||
| He viewed the gay community as vulnerable enough for him to bully at this point, which changed. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, I feel like a lot of us... | ||
| After so much time past this, we all kind of thought, well... | ||
| I guess our parents and religions and all kind of moved past the whole gay thing. | ||
| I think a lot of people did think that. | ||
| Marriage is happening, and yet nobody's being murdered by God all day, every day. | ||
| So we're probably good. | ||
| And now we live in a moment where we realize that those 2003 thoughts just got quieter. | ||
| They didn't go away. | ||
| No, no, it was... | ||
| People realized that they couldn't express these things in public anymore. | ||
| The opinions did not change. | ||
| No. | ||
| None whatsoever. | ||
| In fairness, maybe there is some subsection of folks. | ||
| Some population that did evolve in their thinking. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And realize like, oh, maybe I don't need to hold on to this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| It wasn't the massive sea change necessarily that it appeared to be based on. | ||
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We thought it was. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And that complacency, I think, has maybe... | ||
| Screwed us all? | ||
| Well, maybe it's becoming and will become a problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I was thinking about what is going on here with this Arnold stuff. | ||
| Because it's so... | ||
| It's incessant. | ||
| And I realized on this episode that... | ||
| Alex was very much talking about Arnold specifically in the context of Mel Gibson. | ||
| And I kind of came to realize that it was because Mel Gibson's getting heat for Passion of the Christ and anti-Semitic portrayals in it and his family's anti-Semitic history. | ||
| And so Alex is trying to attack Arnold to do cover for Mel Gibson. | ||
| Did Mel change his name to Ye recently or was it... | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| No. | ||
| They're very similar. | ||
| We'll talk about this here a little bit later. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Why am I spending so much time on this? | ||
| Because the Simon Wiesenthal Center says Arnold is a model person. | ||
| The best you can be. | ||
| A friend to Jews. | ||
| This is amazing, folks. | ||
| And then you see Time Magazine and it says that Arnold... | ||
| It compares him to Ronald Reagan and it says that Arnold... | ||
| You know, his dad was a police chief, and Ronald Reagan's dad was a shoe salesman. | ||
| This is getting out of control. | ||
| And all of this simultaneously, while there is a massive news blitz attacking friends of this show, the Gibson family. | ||
| Good Americans, Hutton Gibson, World War II vet, took his family to Australia in 68, came back to this country. | ||
| So a lot of this surrounds essentially the Simon Wiesenthal Center having criticisms of Mel Gibson's film and the Gibson family and simultaneously endorsing Arnold. | ||
| That's basically where all this is rooted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's pretty clear the game Alex is playing, and the reason he has to cover this Arnold shit, even though he insists he doesn't want to... | ||
| It was just this. | ||
| He loves Mel and Hutton Gibson, and the two of them are very clear anti-Semites. | ||
| Mel's new film, The Passion of the Christ, is getting flack for being anti-Semitic in tone. | ||
| Simultaneously, Arnold is running for governor of California, and he said some stuff about Hitler in the mid-70s that's been taken out of context, and his dad was an SA officer in occupied Austria. | ||
| So this is the way that Alex is going to take some heat off of his actual anti-Semitic friends. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Obviously, it's not good for your dad to be a Nazi, but that doesn't make you a Nazi. | ||
| What's ironic about this, almost more than anything I can think of, is Mel Gibson's dad, allied powers. | ||
| Schwarzenegger's dad, axis powers. | ||
| Mel Gibson, axis powers. | ||
| Marxist power! | ||
| Schwarzenegger? | ||
| Allied power! | ||
| Do you see where I'm coming from here? | ||
| It's an interesting twist! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Obviously, like, you wouldn't ideally... | ||
| If I had to choose all possible fathers, Nazi would not be one of them. | ||
| Nazi wouldn't be low on the list! | ||
| Yeah, and it's not good for you to make comments about admiring Hitler's oratory skills when you're a youth, but that doesn't make you a Nazi either. | ||
| On the flip side, Mel and Hutton Gibson have personally engaged in explicit anti-Semitic acts. | ||
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Alex knows this. | |
| If Mel decided to speak out against Trump in early 2016, Alex would have mysteriously become aware of all this shit and used it to attack him. | ||
| Here we are in 2003, and Alex is smearing Arnold just because he needs to carry water for his father and son bigot act. | ||
| Apparently we'll talk to him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's so clear that Arnold is only interesting to Alex in as much as he can use it to deflect from Mel Gibson. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He's a bigotry barrier. | ||
| He's the police shield of bigotry or whatever it is. | ||
| And it feels like that's why Alex was so desperate to lure his callers into talking about him on the last show we did. | ||
| It seems like, please just give me a reason so I'm not just making this up. | ||
| Every time I want to defend anti-Semites, I have to be like, oh, anti-Semitism is great. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| I want to make fun of Mel Gibson or Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| So Alex has Joyce Riley on, who's another host apparently on his network, and they complain a little bit about Arnold. | ||
| That shows the hypocrisy of this system. | ||
| They're attacking Mel Gibson. | ||
| For his film, The Passion, that's right out of the Bible, and the very same head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center is praising Arnold, who Arnold said in Pumping Iron that his idol was Adolf Hitler. | ||
| He, quote, saw him as a role model and supports Kirk Volta. | ||
| I mean, it just shows the hypocrisy of all this. | ||
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And Simon Wiesenthal Center admitted that Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi, that they had confirmed that. | |
| But Arnold says that he admires Hitler. | ||
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Well, it is all hypocrisy, but it's all delusion. | |
| It is all a fraud. | ||
| And we're seeing through it, and that's why I don't get as angry at it as I used to, because I see through it now. | ||
| This is all good fun, and it's furthering the theme of the day, which seems to be that Alex is mad that people are calling Mel Gibson anti-Semitic, but not Arnold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Arnold is a mainstream Republican, so Alex wants to smear him, whereas Gibson is a zealot extremist whose father is apparently friends with Alex, so Alex loves him and won't stand for accurate accusations of him being a bigot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I wanted to play this clip because it shows a very intentional misdirection by Joyce and Alex. | ||
| They say that the Simon Wiesenthal Center found that Arnold's father was a... | ||
| And that is true, but they're purposefully omitting some information that their audience would benefit from having. | ||
| The first thing is that Arnold requested they investigate his father's background He was not in any way trying to hide from the past or the reality of his father's bad deeds. | ||
| The second thing is that the center wasn't necessarily setting out to determine if his dad was involved in the Nazi party. | ||
| That was all pretty much understood and definitively known. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Arnold saw his dad's uniforms growing up. | ||
| You get there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They were tasked with pouring over records from the Holocaust and determining if the specific groups that Arnold's father was a member of had any recorded history of committing crimes against humanity or... | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Arnold wasn't like, hey, is my dad a Nazi? | ||
| Arnold's like, was my dad a super genocider or just like on board with them? | ||
| I'm guessing it also is like how much of a Nazi was he? | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| The result of the investigation was that there is no such record. | ||
| The consensus seems to be that there is no affirmative evidence of him committing war crimes, but war records are also imperfect, so it can't be fully ruled out either. | ||
| Whatever the case, the sins of the father are not necessarily appropriate to take out. | ||
| War II Arnold's fault. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Joyce and Alex say that the investigation found that his dad was a Nazi, but they don't include the other details because that would hurt their point. | |
| This is an intentional choice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The stuff about him admiring Hitler is taken out of context, and Arnold has successfully sued people for making these kinds of claims in the past. | |
| The stuff about Kurt Waldheim is fair enough, but what Alex is referring to is a total Right. | ||
| There's a lot of shadiness. | ||
| That is fair to say. | ||
| But what Alex is doing is a shameful mischaracterization of a person, and he's doing it specifically to distract from his clearly anti-Semitic friend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I mean, not strange at all, but, you know. | ||
| What I find very boring about Nazis is that every Nazi has at one point in time been like, you know, you got to admire Hitler for blank, right? | ||
| But then they've also always been at one point been like, hey, did you see this person? | ||
| They said Hitler was good for blank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, Hitler's a complete badass. | ||
| Every one of them have done it. | ||
| Every single one of them have done it. | ||
| But I also think that a lot of people in their youth have said things that were... | ||
| We're like, you know, Hitler was a great speaker. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He was very able to get people to follow him. | ||
| You know, in that sense, he had great leadership skills. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| I think that a lot of folks who maybe had youthful edginess. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not certain I didn't say something like that when I was, like, 16 or something. | ||
| There's a certain level of annoying that you are as a teenager about history. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It feels transgressive, and you're making a bold statement that no one has thought of before. | ||
| And, you know, Arnold making statements like that in his youth, I don't really think is indicative of him being a Nazi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So far, Arnold, not a Nazi. | ||
| Also, I'm not sitting here to, like... | ||
| Fully defend Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
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Sure! | |
| I'm just saying that what Alex is doing is bullshit. | ||
| Of all the criticisms that I have of Arnold Schwarzenegger, none of them are he is a Nazi. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, Alex is always right about everything. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Except for everything. | ||
| Here's an example of something he's not right about. | ||
| Now they're getting the national draft lined up, Joyce. | ||
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Yes, and it's also going to be a medical draft. | |
| And as soon as the medical people learn about this, I think you're going to see a real change of heart here. | ||
| By the way, they've got another draft now through the TIPS program where all commercial drivers, taxi cab, ice cream truck, I mean, it doesn't matter, 18-wheelers, they all... | ||
| Have to spy for the government against all crime. | ||
| And that's indentured servitude right there. | ||
| I mean, they're setting up the East German model. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| We got ice cream truck snitches out here. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I love whatever Alex's callers bring up. | ||
| The reason. | ||
| No, apologies. | ||
| Whatever they bring up on their own the reason why something won't happen as evidence for what will happen after it does. | ||
| There's a draft. | ||
| Oh, people won't stand for it. | ||
| Is it a draft then? | ||
| If it's possible for people to not go along with it? | ||
| There's a medical draft. | ||
| I don't think doctors and stuff will go along with it. | ||
| Yeah, that's why they won't do with it. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Of course they won't go along with it. | ||
| You can't just bring doctors. | ||
| Let's do a war! | ||
| But what you can do is force ice cream truck drivers to snitch. | ||
| That one you actually can do. | ||
| That's in the Constitution. | ||
| Yeah, so every commercial driver, every truck driver, long haul, they're all basically deputized. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| They all were enlisted. | ||
| I mean, well, they do have the infrastructure to communicate with each other over vast distances, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| They don't use that to solve crimes. | ||
| They use that for some other stuff. | ||
| But, you know, when you're just driving, you're just listening to the radio, maybe if you were also solving crimes... | ||
| Breaker, breaker, rubber duck. | ||
| I see a jaywalker on my six. | ||
| Moving to run him over. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Permission to use lethal force. | ||
| Permission granted over. | ||
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10-4. | |
| So, Alex has some news stories that he's covering. | ||
| Boy, it's quite a rundown. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Also, man accused of improperly storing gunpowder denied bail. | ||
| Wheeler pleads guilty to arraignment facing number seven trial date. | ||
| So, they're going after people who store gunpowder, but the borders are wide open, and the Chinese government's been caught chipping in machine guns and laws of rockets and opium. | ||
| Nothing happens. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| This is a strange, low-stakes story for Alex to be covering. | ||
| Just a guy who got charged with a misdemeanor for stockpiling gunpowder unsafely, which I understand does touch on some of the Second Amendment absolutism, but it seems like small potatoes. | ||
| So I poked around and found out that this was the case of 61-year-old Maryland man Lovell Wheeler. | ||
| As it turns out, in this state, it's illegal to have more than five pounds of smokeless gunpowder, and also illegal to store it in anything other than its original container, because it's incredibly unsafe. | ||
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Sure, yeah. | |
| And the rationale for one of the reasons why it is particularly unsafe is, sure, you could blow up your house, but also it could affect your neighbors. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's not just you. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Wheeler was storing this shit in a new container, and he had 62 pounds of it. | ||
| It's a little bit over the limit. | ||
| That is... | ||
| What? | ||
| When the cops showed up, he, quote, handed officers literature from the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group based in West Virginia, and told them a race war was coming. | ||
| Wheeler claimed that he wasn't a Nazi or anything, but that his wife was a member of the National Alliance and hosted a radio show called, quote, Grandmother Elizabeth's Reading Hour for White Children. | ||
| Quite a name for a show. | ||
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I don't... | |
| No, if I can get more details that put my jaw on the floor. | ||
| That is just a succession of details that make me go, no. | ||
| It's strange how many of these stories that Alex covers are minor, almost completely inconsequential stories that end up involving people who are Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's also weird how Alex just ignores that part when he's covering the story. | ||
| Super weird to imagine, like, what websites he's cruising to find this story to. | ||
| I can't imagine this was breaking on the front page of CNN, but probably was a pretty hot topic on neo-Nazi message boards. | ||
| Yeah, The Guardian didn't cover it, but Stormfront did. | ||
| It's not a good way to start your show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, big, big... | ||
| Gotta touch on this. | ||
| You know, the news breakdown. | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| Here's my problem, alright? | ||
| If you do think there is a race war coming, I still don't know how that much gunpowder's gonna help you. | ||
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Couldn't hurt. | |
| Yes, it could! | ||
| No, no, absolutely! | ||
| That's the number one thing it will do, is hurt. | ||
| Yeah, well, I don't know if I necessarily think that this is a guy who has... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| No, I understand overarching strategy isn't his strong suit. | ||
| I want to be fully clear. | ||
| He also claims that he doesn't remember telling the cops that. | ||
| Well, I mean, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I wouldn't either. | ||
| You talk to a lawyer and you suddenly don't remember what you said to the cops earlier. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| So yeah, good story selection. | ||
| If I had more than one pound of gunpowder on me, On hand. | ||
| I would very strongly respect the you have the right to remain silent. | ||
| That would be my number one right that I'm thinking of. | ||
| We don't need to ask questions about that gunpowder. | ||
| So we got another news story that Alex is covering. | ||
| And just a little heads up in advance. | ||
| There's some racist language in this story. | ||
| Just regular words aren't allowed. | ||
| And they're getting rid of juries on the same thing. | ||
| But here's the one independent today. | ||
| Racist. | ||
| Racist. | ||
| Oh, see, it's okay. | ||
| Faces jail under first British court order to ban use of word. | ||
| To ban use of word, folks. | ||
| A man faces being sent to jail for the use of a specific term of racial abuse in public. | ||
| Michael Galliflo, 31, is believed to be the first person in the UK. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| They've done another headline in the London Telegraph was hundreds raided nightly in hate crimes raids for speech. | ||
| It says he's believed to be the first person in the U.K. to be banned from using a particular word, Hakai. | ||
| Again, that's just the abbreviation for Pakistanis. | ||
| Under the terms of an antisocial behavior order, he could also be prosecuted for behaving antisocially or using insulting or abusive, including homophobic language. | ||
| The lifelong order has been imposed by magistrates in Manchester and Goldfoyle and Ardwick. | ||
| Manchester made abusive phone calls to council officials about a housing application, and the calls made in June, he called an officer a pack-eye and another homo. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| If you don't agree with that, you know, call him a limey. | ||
| But that's your God-given right, folks, because then it's going to be all speech. | ||
| Wow, that seems like a good solution. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Just use a slur against him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| See? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| So first things first, this is happening in the UK, so there are different speech laws there than they are in the United States. | ||
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Right. | |
| If Alex loves national sovereignty so much, why the fuck is he trying to enforce his own code of rules on people in another country? | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| So the story here is that Michael Guilfoyle made a bunch of abusive phone calls to staff in trying to help with his rehousing application. | ||
| They complained about it, and the magistrate's court told him specifically that he can't use that word in public anymore. | ||
| He can say... | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no evidence that he got any jail time or punishment other than the city saying that he'll be in trouble if he continues to use slurs to attack their employees. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| big a deal. | ||
| It's harassment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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If you attack somebody with any Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I don't think words should be banned. | ||
| Here's what I would say. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| Here's what I would say. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's banned for him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's throw this out there, all right? | ||
| Maybe we do a 10-year requiem. | ||
| You know, like, ten years, you can't say it. | ||
| And then at the end of ten years, if you still want to say it, let's see how you feel about it. | ||
| So you gotta ban with a sunset clause. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| We're not banning words, we're just seeing if you still want to say it after ten years of not wanting to say it. | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| There are other words. | ||
| You can figure them out. | ||
| You can figure them out! | ||
| That's true. | ||
| After ten years, you'd be like, you know what? | ||
| I didn't really need that word in the first place. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to guess. | ||
| I couldn't find any more in-depth stories about this, but I'm going to guess that the order itself was broader and, like, don't fucking harass people who work for the council estate. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| You know, like, I bet it was that. | ||
| And then also... | ||
| If you use these fucking racist terms again... | ||
| That is harassment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That will automatically get you in trouble. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Just stop making abusive phone calls also. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| But yeah, Alex sees racism being criticized, and so he's got to... | ||
| To the rescue! | ||
| He's got to get in a phone booth and put on his racist superhero outfit. | ||
| So he... | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In 2022... | ||
| You're a witch. | ||
| There's some really disgusting language on Alex's show. | ||
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Sure. | |
| In 2003, he scolds a caller for using the word damn. | ||
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So, my advice is, anybody that goes to an attorney at this point, you better make damn sure and have it in black and white that there truly is confidentiality. | |
| Okay, let me stop you. | ||
| We've got somebody saying the C word and now the D word. | ||
| We've got a lot of kids listening. | ||
| Remember that. | ||
| You're addressing... | ||
| Tens of thousands of homeschoolers, this show is required for thousands of homes. | ||
| Please watch your language. | ||
| Terrifying to imagine this is required listening for homeschoolers. | ||
| This is a family show. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And now it's a homeschooling show. | ||
| And it's curriculum. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what he meant by the C word, because I didn't hear a C word. | ||
| I really feel like if he was talking about the C word, then there's only one C word that I think of. | ||
| Me too, but I didn't hear that, and I don't know if it was cut out or something. | ||
| He used slurs earlier. | ||
| He sure did. | ||
| Granted, he was reading from a news story or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, but that's where the bar is. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Swearing, taking the Lord's name in vain. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Racial slurs? | ||
| Who said those were bad? | ||
| They're not in the Bible. | ||
| On his show now, he, like, fakes crying and screams about how he wants his enemies damned to hell. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Can't say damn, though. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Have some respect for the homeschoolers. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| I guess homeschoolers... | ||
| Of all the things that my history textbooks taught me that were incorrect, which was a lot, it's still better than listening to InfoWars. | ||
| That's for fucking sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't imagine how lost you'd be if this was something that was treated as, like, accurate when you're young. | ||
| Yeah, can you imagine a textbook filled with just banal versions of Alex's insane conspiracy theories? | ||
| I think I've kind of read some of them in terms of, like, JBS literature and stuff, so maybe I can't imagine it. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| Anyway, Alex has his water filter sponsor on. | ||
| The guy from... | ||
| Big Berkey. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| All we need to know is the non-limeric guy. | ||
| That's all we need to know about him. | ||
| Schachter has not shown up in a bit. | ||
| I think he doesn't pop up until later, because that was in the 2009 stretch. | ||
| For those who haven't heard those episodes, Alex has a soap. | ||
| The Cal Ben Soap Company is a sponsor, and their owner, Marty Schachter... | ||
| Shows up. | ||
| And he clearly had something in his contract where Alex had to let him tell a dirty limeric... | ||
| Every single time. | ||
| He has a limerick. | ||
| And it's dirty. | ||
| What a wild thing to be your calling card, but what are you going to do? | ||
| Well, we remember it. | ||
| Oh yeah, forever. | ||
| It didn't sell product, but it was memorable. | ||
| Do you think if he didn't do that, I would remember the name Cal Ben Soap? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| It's good branding. | ||
| They still in business? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he's dead. | ||
| But the water filter sponsor is on. | ||
| And of course, they're selling water filters, but Alex also has to lie to him. | ||
| Jim, the American Bar Association, in their document, and I've looked at it, not just for corporate fraud, it's for all so-called crime. | ||
| Now your lawyer is a tattletale of the government. | ||
| Is that not incredible? | ||
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That is incredible. | |
| What happened to attorney-client privilege? | ||
| They just voted it down yesterday in San Francisco. | ||
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Now, is this for the state of California, or is this nationwide? | |
| No. | ||
| The National Bar met in San Francisco, and we've got the Associated Press article here. | ||
| Let me dig it out. | ||
| ABA erases rule on informing lawyers can now report suspected fraud by clients. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we talked about this already. | ||
| This is not getting rid of... | ||
| Client confidentiality or whatever. | ||
| But you can see how sort of gullible his sponsors are. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that guy was immediately like, holy shit, we've lost it all? | ||
| All of those rights are gone? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And this is what I find so fascinating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that once Alex has an inch, he's gonna take a mile. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| And so he does. | ||
| Oh, they also are calling to abolish the jury system. | ||
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Boy, that's real sweet. | |
| Why is that your response? | ||
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You know, some of the stuff that's coming down the pike, if somebody would have said this was going to happen 15 years ago, everybody would have said, you're stark, raving mad. | |
| Well, here we are 19 years later, and you are stark, raving mad. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| It's been stark, raving mad for, by your math, 24 years or 34 years. | ||
| And then some. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so they're going to abolish the jury system. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| No confidentiality. | ||
| Uh, yep. | ||
| I really like his responses to what should be earth-shattering news. | ||
| Well, that's sweet. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Like, that's your response to that? | ||
| Nope, the whole bedrock of society is falling apart. | ||
| Well, great! | ||
| Now how am I gonna get to work? | ||
| Well, la-dee-da! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that's kind of indicative of how not seriously these people take their own information, probably. | ||
| If someone was like, they're taking away people's right to juries, I think the response would be, to the streets! | ||
| Yeah, absolutely! | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
| We've let them take away a lot of shit, but come on! | ||
| Yeah, I think this is a little bit dumb. | ||
| Time to start fires. | ||
| But it turns out that I think that this guy, Jim, Waterboy Jim is a little bit dumb himself. | ||
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I don't know if you ever read David Wilkerson's book. | |
| I read it back in 1976. | ||
| I think it was called The Vision. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| David Wilkerson's like a doomsday type preacher guy. | ||
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There's no shortage of those. | |
| In that he'd had a vision and he kind of laid it out of what was going to take place in America. | ||
| Back in the 1970s, I guess I read that in 76, yeah. | ||
| In 76, I read that, and it just seemed like science fiction. | ||
| I haven't heard of that. | ||
| What did he say was going to happen? | ||
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I picked that book up about a year ago and reread it, and I couldn't believe it. | |
| It was just all like ancient history. | ||
| Oh, he said that, well, some of the things that he said is that they would start ordaining gay, you know, ministers. | ||
| And, you know, back in 76, it was like, what? | ||
| This had never happened in America. | ||
| Just going to blah, blah, blah over why. | ||
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All the stuff that's on the front headlines is stuff that he wrote in that book back in 1976. | |
| And it's been about a year since I've read it, but what I can tell you is that the stuff that he wrote in there, well, one of the things that he said back then is that people would be getting pornography on their home TVs. | ||
| And it was like, no, this could never happen in America way back then. | ||
| Today... | ||
| Through cable TV, that's just everyday stuff. | ||
| Hey, like I said, I've walked into hotel rooms, turned it on, and somebody was in there before me, you know, six hours before, bought the big package, and it's just triple X right there. | ||
| And then I was in Kansas City. | ||
| It wasn't just the heterosexual stuff, folks. | ||
| They're in the menu. | ||
| It wasn't on. | ||
| I just looked at the menu. | ||
| And, I mean, now Channel 4 in England is going to air. | ||
| I hate to even mention this, folks. | ||
| This is BBC. | ||
| Ten-year-old kids having sex in a house. | ||
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I'm sorry, what? | |
| Why is in a house important in that statement? | ||
| UK and the same channel last year had the guy eat the baby. | ||
| A real baby. | ||
| Marinated. | ||
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I tell you, I don't know where it is all going to end, but I tell you what. | |
| I really... | ||
| Yeah, a lot of Alex's stuff does seem like a science fiction movie. | ||
| We already talked about his fears of this show where 10-year-olds were in a house. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| Real. | ||
| I don't know about this marinating a baby thing. | ||
| I'm a fan of everything this guy believes. | ||
| Alex is making that sound like it was some kind of a British fear factor, but you had to eat a baby. | ||
| I mean, he just kind of made it sound like the guy ate a baby, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The guy ate a baby, he marinated a baby, and then ate the baby. | ||
| And then, what was that, a single? | ||
| Was that a special? | ||
| Was there a miniseries? | ||
| He did six episodes at the time a lot, you know? | ||
| Was it Gervais? | ||
| The Office Baby was a very different show. | ||
| Boss Baby, Office Baby, Marinated Baby. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what this is. | ||
| This just seems silly. | ||
| Also, I mean, like, come on. | ||
| The VHS was invented in the 70s. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| I don't know what kind of prophecies this guy's dropping down, but... | ||
| Some of these trends might be things you could see coming. | ||
| Here's what I'll say. | ||
| After the Gutenberg Bible was printed, it took a week before porn was printed. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| We don't need to jump too far into the future to be like, oh yeah, people make porn out of that and it'll be right in your house. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex, take some calls. | ||
| And, of course, he's been talking a whole lot about Mel Gibson and the Simon Wiesenthal Center and what have you. | ||
| And mic down for this, because this call is wild. | ||
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But we've got to get behind Mel Gibson and help that young man. | |
| He's put his resources up. | ||
| He's put his talent up. | ||
| He's trying to get a message across. | ||
| And here we sit and we just talk about it like that judge in Alabama. | ||
| Well, isn't it ridiculous that Arnold can say he admires Hitler, hangs out with top Nazis to this day, defends him, and they say he's good, Simon Wiesenthal, and the same guy that runs it then attacks Gibson and says, don't let this film come out. | ||
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Well, we've got to get behind Gibson and says, it's coming out. | |
| You know, if you read a book that Henry Ford wrote years ago about the international Jew, You're going to find that these five Jews that came over with Christopher Columbus, sold all of Queen Isabel's money. | ||
| When they got back, you know who went to jail? | ||
| Columbus. | ||
| Sir, I appreciate your call. | ||
| Yeah, I've got to go. | ||
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Woof! | |
| Yeah, Alex was totally on board with this guy. | ||
| They're having a great time talking about how the Simon Wiesenthal Center is doing Mel Gibson wrong. | ||
| And then when the caller's like, yeah, you know, let me tell you about the International Jew. | ||
| Alex was like, oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You know, at a certain point, you just got to be like, hey, obviously I think this. | ||
| But we don't want to do that. | ||
| Obviously, I have a keen awareness that most of my audience believes this and they think that I'm using coded language and that's why they enjoy my show. | ||
| But you can't make it too obvious on air because then everyone knows this is a fucking Nazi show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shouldn't that be a thing that we all just know all the time? | ||
| Like all of us across the world, humans, shouldn't we all just be able to be like, hey, guess what? | ||
| This one's a Nazi show. | ||
| Because this time, this happened, and that's all we need to know. | ||
| You know, like, shouldn't that be enough? | ||
| Shouldn't one Nazi be enough? | ||
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Um... | |
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, we don't have to stop there, but yes. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| The rest of the show gets weird. | ||
| So I will say that we had kind of planned, or the idea was that we'd do an episode on Monday about a video that had been posted on Band.Video. | ||
| It was a fourth hour of Alex's show, hosted by a guy named Royce White, who is a failed GOP candidate to unseat Ilhan Omar in Minnesota. | ||
| And he has taken to defending Kanye in a way that is maybe a bad way to defend him. | ||
| He's doubling down on some of the things Kanye's saying and labeling Jews. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Trend that you're seeing in the right wing right now, and particularly the way anti-Semitism is so on the rise, and emboldened by statements that Kanye is making. | ||
| You see Nick Fuentes coming out and really, really going hard, thanks to some of the cover, I guess, you get from Kanye and his behaviors. | ||
| And you see it on InfoWars. | ||
| You see the... | ||
| A certain section of the content being kind of denial of like, this isn't anti-Semitic, what are you talking about? | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| And then you have another section of it that is like, no, actually, he's right. | ||
| And it's not all Jews, it's just bad Jews. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| And you go back to 2003 and you're kind of hoping for a different tone. | ||
| And then you have a caller who's bringing up the international Jew. | ||
| I think the lesson that you take away from this, or that I think is appropriate to take away from this, is like, this is what this show is. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yep! | ||
| And also that over 20 years, regardless of whether or not somebody continues talking about hating Jews, boy, they sure still do. | ||
| And, I mean, if you go to the video of Royce White's fourth hour appearance, which I should just really stress, is on Alex's show. | ||
| It's the fourth hour of his show, just with a guest host. | ||
| The comments on it are like, finally, somebody is saying this stuff. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And, you know, that's what the callers who express things like this are thinking. | ||
| They're waiting for Alex to finally just bring up that Henry Ford shit, man. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Bring up that stuff that was Nazi propaganda. | ||
| What you gonna do? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, you know. | ||
| Anyway, it'll get worse later. | ||
| But, for now, Alex has some other news. | ||
| Because he just wants to jump away from that and be like, well, this doesn't mean Jew. | ||
| Hey, let's not pretend. | ||
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That's not what I'm saying. | |
| I don't hate Jews. | ||
| I don't hate Jews publicly. | ||
| Yeah, so he has some other news. | ||
| Some of the news I haven't gotten to yet. | ||
| This has now come out. | ||
| It was Condoleezza Rice who warned Willie Brown not to fly on 9-1-1. | ||
| The San Francisco Chronicle and others who admitted Willie Brown admitted that he was told the day before not to fly to New York that day. | ||
| Now it turns out it was Condoleezza Rice telling him not to do that. | ||
| We have this on Infowars.com. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| Willie Brown wasn't told not to fly that day. | ||
| It's a misconception and a bullshit thing that 9-11 truthers use. | ||
| Here's how he described the call he got from his security contacts that work at the airport, not Condoleezza Rice. | ||
| He said the call, quote, didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement. | ||
| It wasn't an abnormal call. | ||
| I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me if I ought to be careful. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| He was still gonna fly that day. | ||
| He didn't change his plans. | ||
| He only didn't fly because it was an 8 a.m. | ||
| flight out of San Francisco, which is after the trade center had already been hit. | ||
| He was going to go to the airport. | ||
| He was waiting for his ride when he saw the news of the attack on TV. | ||
| Alex is just making shit up because he's a liar and likes to fuck with his audience. | ||
| Also, fun fact, the claim that the warning to Brown came from Condoleezza Rice traces back to a comment made by Holocaust denier David Irving, who had no proof for the claim and he was just making that shit up. | ||
| Kind of weird how there's so much Nazi shit on this show, even back in 2003. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is like, man, back in the day, a conspiracy could be built out of a thing that literally everyone who flies now gets. | ||
| Like, they get text updates every five seconds. | ||
| If your flight is changed in a minute, you get a text update. | ||
| But 20 years ago, holy shit, this is a conspiracy theory. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is interesting on some level. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| You know, like, what exactly was the nature of the concern that the people at the airport were expressing to Willie Brown? | ||
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Right. | |
| What was it? | ||
| It clearly wasn't that severe because he was going to fly anyway. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, if it was something that was indicative of foreknowledge of the attack, that's kind of dumb because the flight was taking off after the attack happened. | ||
| There is a problem there. | ||
| That it was going to happen. | ||
| They would know when it was going to happen. | ||
| And he wouldn't have to be warned at all because his plane would never take off. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So none of this makes any sense. | ||
| It's a conspiracy built out of nothing, and the Condoleezza Rice aspect comes from a Holocaust in here. | ||
| Right, but it is a coincidence. | ||
| Thrilling. | ||
| And a Don Salazar would say it doesn't jive. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| All right, buddy? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's not a jivable thing. | ||
| Dumb people have questions, and that means we need to report on this. | ||
| So, Alex has some other news. | ||
| It's pretty severe stuff. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I had a... | ||
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A few questions here, because things go fast on your show. | |
| You said in Pennsylvania there was a law made that a preacher could not cite the Old Testament? | ||
| Yes, they said that they read passages criticizing homosexuals or others. | ||
| They can be arrested or fined. | ||
| A Republican government signed it. | ||
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And where was that article? | |
| Governor Swiker. | ||
| Associated Press, CNN News, all over the place. | ||
| Wow, unbelievable. | ||
| Last year. | ||
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And that's the freedom of religion to speak out on stuff or whatever and quote passages from the Bible. | |
| Well, just the rest of the guy who called a Pakistan person a Paki, and whether you're, I mean, that's just an abbreviation, but whether it is racist or not, it's free speech, folks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't arrest him. | ||
| And it's the UK. | ||
| I can find literally no evidence of this supposed law, but if I had to guess what Alex is talking about, there have been cases where anti-LGBTQ protesters have yelled Old Testament verses that have been used to argue homophobia being a pillar of Christianity at gay people at events. | ||
| Yeah, Leviticus, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But I don't think that those people were generally arrested or cited for their comments, but for other protesting-related infractions. | ||
| Whatever the case, it's just not true that you can't preach the Old Testament in Pennsylvania. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, whatever he's complaining about, most of the people that wanted to are probably in Congress now. | ||
| Well, and you have, like, in addition to this... | ||
| Weird Nazi thread. | ||
| You also have this preoccupation with being opposed to homosexuality in a way that Alex pretends isn't part of his worldview now. | ||
| There is a, I'm cool, I'm fine, I'm good, I'm hip, I'm with it. | ||
| But you look back on this like, no, you're not. | ||
| I mean, I just don't see any way we're not obviously dealing with Nazis here anymore. | ||
| I don't get any more. | ||
| Anti-Semitism is on the rise. | ||
| They hate trans people. | ||
| They hate LGBTQ plus people. | ||
| These are just literal Nazis. | ||
| We're dealing with Nazis now. | ||
| We know how to deal with Nazis. | ||
| We're dealing with Nazis. | ||
| This is what we're dealing with. | ||
| Stop pretending like we're not. | ||
| So Alex has another caller. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This caller is interesting. | ||
|
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Okay, the next point is, this is on the homosexual movement, and okay, here is this information I have. | |
| Back in April of 1999, there was a bill presented, and evidently it passed, but this is what we need to find out. | ||
| The bill was, and everyone get your pens out and write this down, and do your homework, people. | ||
| We need to find out about this, but I think this is why they're being so in our face and pushing all this. | ||
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
| It's H.R. 2431, and it was presented the International Freedom from Religious Persecution Act. | ||
| So this bill did pass, and it became the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998. | ||
| This caller thinks, or at least this is what I imagined, this caller thinks that the bill is designed to protect gay people from religious persecution, but it was actually about creating some governmental bodies that would monitor religious groups who were being persecuted in other countries and advocate on their behalf. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is really stupid stuff, and I don't know why you would expect anything else on this show. | ||
| This is 2003, five years after this bill became law, and she's not even sure if it passed. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Now. | ||
| That's what I thought her angle was going to be, that it was about protecting gay people from religious persecution. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But then she kept talking. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And I would say that given a million guesses, I would never have predicted that this was her conspiracy. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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But now, here's the twist of it. | |
| It says, for example, now I'm reading from this, for example, if the practice of homosexuality becomes defined as a religion, then any group opposing homosexuality could be classed as violating their religious rights, and then any of its members could be universally fined, jailed, or monetarily ostracized anywhere in the world. | ||
| Yeah, they're trying to sell us the system. | ||
| And they're going to use neocons to sneak it through on us, and it is, I mean, I just read the article in England where the guy used a word and they arrested him. | ||
| This is the Scotland Yard Diversity Unit. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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What? | |
| So the conspiracy is that this bill is part of the gay agenda, and then they're going to use this, and then later they're going to make being gay a religion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, uh, what? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And Alex is like, yeah, the neocons are trying to push this through. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's my pitch. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| I'm down. | ||
| I'm down for it. | ||
| I will develop a religion based entirely around homosexuality, and then the government has to allow everything to work. | ||
| I think that's how it works perfectly. | ||
| Whether or not you are going to unsuccessfully do this in the year of our Lord 2022. | ||
|
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I think I got this one. | |
| 2003, this is some silly shit. | ||
| Did not happen. | ||
| Did not happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's yet to come to pass. | ||
| Again, preoccupation of fear of gay people. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| So, Alex gets another caller. | ||
| Trends are happening here. | ||
| Manuel in Pennsylvania, go ahead. | ||
|
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Yes, Alex. | |
| First, I'd like to say your latest video, Police Day 3, expertly done. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Lay it out as absolute whether you serve good or evil. | ||
| I mean, it's two documentaries. | ||
| Very good work. | ||
| It's our longest film, too, at two hours and 40 minutes. | ||
|
unidentified
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It sure is. | |
| When I first watched it, I watched it all day long. | ||
| It sure is. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, yeah, it is long. | |
| It's long. | ||
| It is long. | ||
|
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I'd like to say that this is homosexuals. | |
| We can't call them perverts, but... | ||
| Well, look, it's the First Amendment, and I'll fight to the death for anybody to have the right to say what they feel, what they believe. | ||
| But no, it's all one-sided. | ||
| Yeah, so this guy, Alex's films are long, and that is a mark of quality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And apparently he's mad that people don't like that he calls gay people perverts. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Getting a real view of some of this audience. | ||
| It feels awful. | ||
| It feels awful to know that 20 years has meant nothing. | ||
| Fuck all. | ||
| Useless, pointless waste of 20 years. | ||
| You're not going to like this next clip. | ||
| Here's another call. | ||
| Alright, we also have Infowars.com bumper stickers. | ||
| Let's go to Patty in Ohio who wanted to make another point. | ||
| Go ahead, Patty. | ||
|
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Well, I wanted to say first, I have two things, but the Jewish people, you know, there are kinds of Jews, I believe. | |
| I used to have a paper I passed out to people all the time. | ||
| The ones that we need to be worried about are the communist Jews, and I'll tell you what, no one ever uses that word communist. | ||
| They're still afraid of it. | ||
| What the fuck is anyone talking about? | ||
| They will not say communist Jews. | ||
| Why does Alex... | ||
| I mean, obviously I know the answer to this. | ||
| It's sort of rhetorical. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Why does Alex allow someone to keep talking after they say there are six kinds of Jews? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| What good is going to come out of the rest of that sentence? | ||
| Okay, so it was 2003. | ||
| I think Pokemon Gold had just been released pretty recently. | ||
| So, you know, he's like, you gotta catch them all. | ||
| He's got that on his brain, and then she lists it, and he doesn't catch the second part, which I totally get. | ||
| Everybody's into the Sneasel. | ||
| Is that a Pokemon? | ||
| Sounds right to me. | ||
| I'm blown away listening to this episode. | ||
| Particularly, we have this backdrop of in our present day, we have Kanye coming out and saying this horrible stuff. | ||
| You have him being interviewed on Tucker Carlson, them cutting out parts of it that make it too overt. | ||
| Yeah, the parts where he said exactly that. | ||
| Where he said there are six types of Jews. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, occupations of Jews. | ||
| I mean, it's the same fucking thing. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| You have him making the rounds on tons of other media places now. | ||
| Drink Champs podcast. | ||
| He was on Lex Friedman. | ||
| Piers Morgan interviewed him. | ||
| He's on with Chris Cuomo. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah, he's going around these places saying more awful stuff. | ||
| Candace Owens has tricked him into buying Parler. | ||
| That's the one funny part about all of this. | ||
| And then you have things that you see, like people emboldened by it. | ||
| And going back to the past and seeing an episode... | ||
| That is so heavily this. | ||
| It's upsetting. | ||
| It's upsetting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| If we did a show and we did not believe that Jews ran the world in some evil conspiracy, right? | ||
| We do do a show where we don't believe that Jews run the world in a real conspiracy. | ||
| But we were also pitching a giant conspiracy around the world. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And we had a day where we had calls like this. | ||
| It would be a wake-up call. | ||
| It would be a crisis. | ||
| It would be a moment of, what am I putting out into the world that fans of mine keep doing this? | ||
| And 19 years later, Alex still has not had that moment. | ||
| And the reason why is because he doesn't mind this being his audience. | ||
| This is the audience that he wants. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think I've told this story before, but I was maybe three or four years into doing stand-up, and I stopped doing a joke because I found out after a show when somebody told me about it that they were laughing at it for the complete wrong reason. | ||
| And I was like, nope. | ||
| This is done. | ||
| Because if that's what's funny about this, that's not what I meant for it to be funny, so it's not funny. | ||
| Right, and if you need to keep telling the joke because it's too good, then you need to find a way to retool it from the ground up in a way where that interpretation can't be derived from it. | ||
| And if Alex still wants to do this New World Order Illuminati shit and do his show... | ||
| He has a responsibility, knowing that there is a heavily Nazi base among his audience, to present his information better. | ||
| It's a failing of his ability to present information that people constantly are quote-unquote confused. | ||
| If he wasn't a Nazi, because he is a Nazi, it is not a failure, it is not a confusion, he's doing exactly what he wanted to do. | ||
| But if he weren't actually a Nazi... | ||
| That would be a real shock to the system. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, this has been bad so far. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And I was blown away by what happens towards the end of this episode. | ||
| Alex gets another call. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And it's from a Holocaust survivor. | ||
| Now, I take this person at their word. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| Well, I mean, yeah. | ||
| You know, it's just a caller into a radio show, but I have no reason to doubt this woman's experience. | ||
| Well, but you obviously can't also go into, you know, the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| But we believe that this is the truth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she also has some bad opinions, let's say. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Agrees with Alex on some stuff. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But the reason that I find this fascinating is... | ||
| Alex has a person on the line who's discussing their experience living through the Holocaust, and he can't stop himself from using their experience to push his little narratives and his snarky bullshit, I would kind of say. | ||
| Let's talk to Irene. | ||
| Irene in Idaho, go ahead. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, Alex, the reason I'm calling my... | |
| What got my attention, I was born and raised in Germany. | ||
| I was born right into the Second World War. | ||
| And what got my attention when you mentioned they've taken their children out of their families, well, I experienced a lot of that. | ||
| My grandmother, when I was little, she had us hit in a station, a train station, in a wagon, because they were going to put us on a truck and haul us off. | ||
| They ended up taking us away anyway. | ||
| They went to a doctor and told my grandmother she wasn't capable because of her heart, and they put us into a home. | ||
| And during the night, I could have a long story here, but I'll make it short. | ||
| During the night, the women, like the Gestapo women, they dressed as witches and scared us. | ||
| I have no privilege, and I'm going to take that back to... | ||
| So you're saying that Gestapo women would terrorize you? | ||
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Terrorize, yes. | |
| And also... | ||
| Well, you better not criticize them, or you may be... | ||
| Criticizing a Nazi means you're anti-Semitic now. | ||
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It doesn't matter to me. | |
| My grandmother had a neighbor. | ||
| And she was a Red Cross nurse, and my grandmother told that woman, Hitler is crazy, and she told my grandmother, if you say that one more time, I'm going to have you put against the wall and shot. | ||
| Well, yeah, but according to him, that may be your, I mean, I don't want to say your grandmother's anti-Semitic, but standing up against Hitler may be a bad thing now. | ||
| I'm being serious here, folks. | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| Presuming that Alex believes her, I mean, like, I don't understand how you could behave like this. | ||
| Quite frankly, someone is relaying their experience living through something atrocious, something horrible. | ||
| And Alex can't not get his beat in there at the end about criticizing Hitler means you are a Nazi. | ||
| With his just trying to use... | ||
| This terrifying experience from this woman's childhood as a way to enforce his argument against Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, one way you could take that is, thank you for helping put things in perspective. | ||
| Your grandmother spoke out against a... | ||
| Nazi genocider, and I just want to be a racist. | ||
| And it seems like now that I've heard your story, I can recognize that I'm just a racist like Hitler in this story. | ||
| That's one way to go about it. | ||
| I don't think he did. | ||
| I think that you kind of have a responsibility if someone like this calls into your show, your tone might want to change a little bit. | ||
| And I think that it's incredibly disrespectful that what he's essentially doing is trying to use her experience in the Holocaust as a prop for his own talking points. | ||
| And there's nothing appropriate about that. | ||
| And it's fucked up because it's the Holocaust. | ||
| Fucking obviously. | ||
| But that's fucked up to do about any person's trauma. | ||
| To exploit it for your own bullshit lies. | ||
| But it's so fucked up. | ||
| It's so fucked up! | ||
| When it's about the Holocaust. | ||
| The fucking Holocaust! | ||
| And it's on a show where we've already had a number of fairly anti-Semitic callers, including somebody citing the international Jew. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So, yeah, they talk a little bit more. | ||
| Great. | ||
| What was Nazi Germany like when you were a little girl? | ||
|
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Well, when I was a little girl being taken away from my grandmother, and I must have been maybe three and a half years old. | |
| And I had a lot of back splashes. | ||
| And what happened, the home got bombed, and then we were put on the street and just the cardboard around our neck with our name on it and shoved into individual homes. | ||
| So my brothers, we were separated at that time. | ||
| So you remember, you talked about your grandmother at the train station when they took you away. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, I don't... | |
| I don't remember that. | ||
| That was before the doctor came, and then we got taken away anyway. | ||
| The doctor came. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, we got taken away anyway. | |
| But the CPS was just doing its job. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, but my grandmother knew. | |
| My grandmother stood up. | ||
| She didn't, you know, she protected us in any way she could possibly can. | ||
| And nowadays, she'd say that she was an al-Qaeda sympathizer. | ||
| Whatever happened to your grandmother? | ||
|
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This is just hard. | |
| It's hard to listen to. | ||
| Her relating her experience, which I'm not entirely sure I can track fully what's going on in these stories. | ||
|
unidentified
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There's... | |
| There are evocative images that certainly come out of what she's saying, but I don't know what the connective tissue is, the A to B to C of it all. | ||
| Well, her wartime experience occurred between when she was like three and six. | ||
| So yeah, you can't expect clearer memories. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I just find it... | ||
| Offensive, basically, the way Alex is taking any detail that connects to a talking point of his or a little riff of his, and then being like, ugh, the doctor! | ||
| I mean, I know Alex doesn't care because he's an anti-Semite himself, so he's like, the Holocaust is blah, or whatever it is, but it is like, that is not... | ||
| It's not okay. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Even if he was at Arlington National Cemetery, he's not going to let somebody be like, oh, America won the war or something like that. | ||
| It's going to be like, no, this is a place of respect or some shit. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is quite crazy. | ||
| I think that there is the responsibility you have as a call-in talk show host to sort of... | ||
| If you have a caller who's a kid... | ||
| You have a responsibility to behave differently towards them because they're a kid. | ||
| And Alex doesn't do that. | ||
| He just exploits pretty much anybody who comes into his orbit. | ||
| Even on fucking Jerry Springer, they treated Holocaust survivors with a level of respect that the show had not yet seen. | ||
| I'm not going to vouch for that. | ||
| I haven't seen that episode. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| I'm not going to say they did a great job. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it was better than this! | ||
| It's hard to be much worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex closes things out with the old news rundown. | ||
| And here he just touches back on the Willie Brown issue. | ||
| Here's some of the other news here. | ||
| Long article on my website. | ||
| And it says, Condoleezza Rice warned Willie Brown not to fly on 9-1-1. | ||
| That's the mayor of San Francisco. | ||
| And it goes... | ||
| Why did we add that? | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| These aren't stories about Condoleezza Rice or Willie Brown involving foreknowledge of 9-11. | ||
| It seems like those are both racist grievances of Alex's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are the ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems like these are headlines about the two people, but they don't have anything to do with the story you're purporting to cover. | ||
| No. | ||
| And that is because there isn't a story. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
| There's just racism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Wild. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| We come to the end of this. | ||
| Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, man. | ||
| Not a fan. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You know, you like to go back to the past and see something of an oasis, something of a break, maybe something interesting that Alex is lying about that you could dig into a little bit. | ||
| But instead, you see the present day. | ||
| Mirrored in many ways. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| And it sucks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So... | ||
|
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Brutal, man. | |
| Closing thoughts? | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| I mean, I suppose my only closing thoughts are none of these people have to platform, yay, and they're still doing it for money. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So, fuck them all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Fuck Piers Morgan. | ||
| Fuck all of Fox News. | ||
| This is an interesting way that I learned that Chris Cuomo has a show somewhere. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Isn't that against the law yet? | ||
| Haven't we figured out a way to make that against the law? | ||
| It's First Amendment. | ||
| He did the whole thing with his br- Brother! | ||
| First Amendment. | ||
| Shouldn't the journalism gods have been like, no, we don't let this happen, right? | ||
| First Amendment. | ||
| How many times do I have to read journalists pretend to give a shit about journalism before I give a fuck? | ||
|
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First Amendment. | |
| And Chris Kropp, fuck all of them. | ||
| Fuck all of them. | ||
| The interesting question becomes, though, does Ye show up on Infowars? | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| Sooner or later. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| Sooner or later. | ||
| But here's the problem that I foresee. | ||
| I think that Kanye actually represents Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
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If Alex is just talking about an interview with people... | |
| here's Morgan or Cuomo or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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He can sort of control that conversation because he can use whatever clips he wants. | |
| He can frame the conversation whatever way he wants. | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
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If he has Kanye there and he says shit... | |
| Alex can't stop him from saying anything. | ||
| They got the five second button. | ||
| I think you'd talk for more than five seconds. | ||
| I think you would too. | ||
| I think it represents a problem because Alex would have to sort of rebut that stuff or else he risks, you know, basically being overly public about his actual brand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I think that Kanye is in a position where he probably would go on InfoWars, but Alex kind of can't let him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think, unfortunately, before I came in and we started recording, I was in the alley and I saw the battered and bleeding body of irony because Ye cannot be racist on Infowars. | ||
| He can be racist on Fox News! | ||
| He can be racist everywhere! | ||
| But on Infowars, he cannot be racist. | ||
| Well, he can go on all these other platforms and be, like, really extreme. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they don't have a predominantly extreme audience that they're trying to pretend isn't. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Alex would, like, people would... | ||
| You remember when they went to CPAC and Nick Fuentes essentially took over the Alex Jones event? | ||
| You'd have the audience be like, finally Kanye's on and he's naming the enemy. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| You know, that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you don't want to make that too transparent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want to bring that into your space and risk whatever damage it could cause to your, again, the plausible deniability. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I just feel like sooner or later, Alex is going to be like, no one cares. | ||
| And everybody who does care if I was an open anti-Semite. | ||
| They already hate me. | ||
| And it's not like I'm going to lose anything by doing it. | ||
| I'm only going to gain viewers. | ||
| Of course, yay is going to be on there. | ||
|
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Maybe. | |
| But I also think that there's probably a part of it that Alex doesn't see himself as that. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| I mean, you know. | ||
| He might fight back against that being his reality and his public image. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Quite past the point where it makes sense. | ||
| That does seem to be possible. | ||
| I don't know, I just feel like all the Nazis are going mask off in six months anyway, so it's like... | ||
| I mean, a lot of them are now. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We're going to turn around and you're going to be like, oh, I didn't know you were a Nazi, and there's going to be a lot of them. | ||
| So, we'll be back with another episode on Friday, but until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do, it's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter, it's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm the condo board manager of brain apartments. | ||
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I'm loving it. | |
| This is not good. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |