Today, Dan and Jordan put Alex in timeout and dip back to 2003 to see what Alex was up to. In this installment, Alex desperately tries to pretend he's being forced to cover Schwarzenegger's run for CA governor, and interviewing a weirdo named Paul Revere.
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| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Red alert, red alert, red alert. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| KnowledgeFight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is the turning of a season. | ||
| The turning of a season. | ||
| Fall has sprung, or however we put it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's getting a little chillier. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I think it's a little chillier in my apartment than it is even outside, weirdly. | ||
| Yeah, that is true. | ||
| But I don't mind. | ||
| I run hot, generally, so I don't mind a little bit of the cool weather. | ||
| In the past, the cold has always signified one thing for me. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That cranberry splash Sierra Mist is right around the corner. | ||
| I did not know that that was cold-based. | ||
| That was a seasonal variety of Sierra Mist cranberry. | ||
| Is it returning? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it probably will be sometime closer to December. | ||
| I think it's more of a wintry thing. | ||
| I see. | ||
| But I've realized there's a new thing that's been incorporated. | ||
| Pumpkin spice Sierra Mist. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it is an indication that I think I'm getting old. | ||
| And that is, I got so excited, I was at the Walgreens, and I saw that they had the soft Werther's Originals candy apple. | ||
| Variety. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I got pumped. | ||
| So excited. | ||
| Yeah, that is a sign that you're getting old. | ||
| It is fall. | ||
| I am shocked that you didn't immediately give it to a child with a little piece of wisdom as you walked out. | ||
| Kid can't have it. | ||
| I'm eating them all. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Okay, now we're back to young. | ||
| Leaning out the Walgreens of all of them. | ||
| There's a couple other flavors, too, that I may try. | ||
| There's a maple and a cinnamon. | ||
| One that I may try. | ||
| There's also a pumpkin, but I'm not into that. | ||
| Are they allowed to call those Werther's Originals? | ||
| Considering they are clearly not original. | ||
| Well, the caramel is. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| I mean, those you can call Werther's Originals, but what do you call the maple one? | ||
| Werther's Innovatives. | ||
| Innovatives. | ||
| Innovatives? | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Congratulations, Paul. | ||
| I mean, I suppose Werther's derivatives would be a little bit more accurate. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, send old man Werther an email. | ||
| I'm gonna get, it's time somebody handled this. | ||
| Don't think you can go through email. | ||
| You have to send a telegram. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is that my partner and I, we've kind of been on a fitness week. | ||
| We've been exercising, going to yoga class every day, doing the whole thing, and it feels good. | ||
| You know, people like to exercise. | ||
| You get your heart rate moving. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It is like there's... | ||
| There's certain spots, you know, I'm not like, oh, I'm an old man, I'm 35. Sure. | ||
| But there are certain spots of my body that are... | ||
| You're not Werther's original age yet. | ||
| No, no, I'm not telegram old just yet. | ||
| But my knee is 68. Like, it's that kind of situation. | ||
| So it's good and also very difficult to do one of these with my shoulder. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That hurts a lot. | ||
| Well, I mean, you play a lot of tennis, so I imagine the shoulders and the knees are things that... | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Take a little bit of a hit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There's more wear on that than on some of the other parts of your body. | ||
| You are wrong. | ||
| Well. | ||
| But it's been good. | ||
| That's good? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wish you the best of that. | ||
| I don't know what that feels like at all. | ||
| I have no memory of motion. | ||
| Someday five minutes. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I decided, after our last episode, where we talked about Alex's weekend excursion with Robert Barnes. | ||
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Right. | |
| Where Barnes committed the crimes. | ||
| I decided I wanted to put Alex on timeout. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| We've been watching the trial as it's progressed over the week, and this week has been a lot of family testimony. | ||
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Yep. | |
| A lot of people telling very... | ||
| Moving and difficult stories of their loved ones. | ||
| Some very heartening and bright stories about their lives. | ||
| And then horrific tales of the abuse that they've suffered. | ||
| I mean, yeah, it is a... | ||
| Emotional rollercoaster that is so extreme. | ||
| You see them cry with smiling happy tears at these joyful memories, and then it's just a... | ||
| Oh, it's intense. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| And one of the things that I keep hearing a bit, too, that just, I don't know, maybe will haunt me, is the sort of consistency that you hear people... | ||
| Describe one of the effects of the abuse that they get as almost a denial of their self. | ||
| Being asked, oh, are you related to this person who died at San Diego? | ||
| Nope, that's not me. | ||
| Having to deny your sibling or your child just for the sake of I don't want to deal with the possibility that they're one of those people who wants to yell at me. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| And challenging. | ||
| I appreciate that these people are getting this opportunity. | ||
| And it's very important. | ||
| But I don't want to cover Alex's stuff right now. | ||
| You know, he did as bad of a thing as he could do on Saturday. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| I can't think of much more disrespect that he could give. | ||
| And... | ||
| I don't want to be... | ||
| We've talked about this. | ||
| I don't want to be an Alex Jones Chris Hardwick show or whatever. | ||
| Talking Alex. | ||
| We're not a recap. | ||
| He can go on timeout. | ||
| We're going back to the past. | ||
| I don't know if he could get worse but I don't think I'm interested in seeing him try. | ||
| He did and he and Barnes stepped across that line. | ||
| Last episode to a point where I'm like, why aren't we all suing them as a country? | ||
| As a species? | ||
| We should get together and include fucking rhesus monkeys because he's probably defamed them too. | ||
| We should be all suing him and Barnes for what they did. | ||
| Class action. | ||
| Humans and rhesus. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah, and that's not to say we'll not talk about Alex at all as the trial progresses or anything or his present day stuff. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He can go sit over there and we'll talk about the past. | ||
| So we're going to talk about August 12th, 2003. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Continuing our path through 2003. | ||
| And I got to say, it's just what the doctor ordered. | ||
| I don't want to say... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I often resist the urge to say, we got a banger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This was great. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are two things that happen that are just... | ||
| Man, they're restorative to the soul. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If you're listening to Alex Jones stuff, this is the kind of episode that you need to be like, oh, you idiot. | ||
| And so I'm glad to be able to provide that and enjoy it. | ||
| And we will get to that in just one moment. | ||
| Before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, long-time wonk, first-time listener, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, I listened to your backlog on a drive from California to Minnesota and only made it through ten episodes. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, Wonky Kong Country 2, Dan and Jordan's Conquest. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Near and dear to my heart. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| I'm Dixie. | ||
| You're Diddy. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| I'm the second one. | ||
| And I'm gonna ride that snake around all the time. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I can't remember his name. | ||
| The snake that bounces around. | ||
| I'm gonna go with the rhino. | ||
| I feel like the rhino and I have a lot in common. | ||
| All right, then I call dibs on Webby. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The spider. | ||
| Oh, then the bird sucks, though. | ||
| Yeah, you get ostrich. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Espresso. | ||
| Next, T-Rod loves hot sauce. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, we got some technocrats here in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So first, the Cheshire Yeti. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Sidney Powell's cheetah print cardigan. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much! | ||
| Yes, thank you very much! | ||
| Now, Jordan, before we dive into this episode, here is a fun out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| It just so happens that I look like a potato right now. | ||
| Just so happens. | ||
| Just so happens. | ||
| You wonder, what kind of, apropos of nothing, I look like a potato. | ||
| Just so happens, I look like a potato. | ||
| As luck would have it, I look like a potato. | ||
| I mean, as far as an intro to that statement, it really is a non sequitur that drives you insane. | ||
| Yeah, it just so happens. | ||
| It reminds me of Louis Black's, if it weren't for the horse, I never would have spent that year in college. | ||
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And you're like, I need so much more information than that. | |
| Well, you'll get none. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, here is where we start. | ||
| Alex is in the mood where he wants to talk about big stories, but he can't. | ||
| They're being shot and killed and grenaded and dying in their barracks in Iraq. | ||
| They're dying in Afghanistan. | ||
| But that doesn't matter, folks. | ||
| Wall to wall, everywhere, all anyone is talking about is Arnold Schwarzenegger running for governor of California. | ||
| And I know that he's charismatic. | ||
| He's good-looking. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| He's played this archetypal... | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Yeah, he's played actual Hercules. | ||
| This image of him being the super male stamped on our psyche. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| He's better than Kevin Sorba. | ||
| He was the German powerlifting champion. | ||
| A lot of folks don't know that. | ||
| He's also an atheist who makes fun of Jesus Christ in his... | ||
| In several of his books that I've read. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So I think that literally everyone knows that Arnold was a powerlifting guy. | ||
| That's how you... | ||
| That's what he is. | ||
| He was Mr. Universe. | ||
| He's the thing that that is. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Also, Arnold represented Austria, not Germany. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a small point. | ||
| Different countries. | ||
| Did you know that, Dan? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Alex does not. | ||
| Also, Arnold is not an atheist. | ||
| He's a very public Catholic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You may remember that his daughter Catherine married Chris Pratt a couple years back, and there was a bit of a public reckoning with the notion that not only Pratt, but also Arnold's daughter were pretty traditionalist Catholic folk. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You may also remember that Arnold is married to Maria Shriver, famously a member of the Kennedy family, notable for the fact that JFK was the first Catholic... | ||
| There is that, yeah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I also have no idea what kind of books Arnold was writing before 2003, but looking into it, I found mostly bodybuilding memoirs, which checks out. | ||
| That makes sense! | ||
| And actually, Alex does touch on this later. | ||
| That is what he's talking about. | ||
| Bodybuilding books. | ||
| Oh, that's what makes him an atheist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, he apparently mocked God in those bodybuilding books. | ||
| That's because God can't lift weights as well as fucking Arnold can. | ||
| We know this. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| There's a really fun thread that goes throughout this entire episode that is like, Alex is like, there's so many big stories to cover, but oh no, I gotta talk about Arnold. | ||
| And no one is making it, really. | ||
| I don't think anybody's making him talk about Arnold. | ||
| Especially not now. | ||
| He seems very put upon that he has to talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Well, you know, he wants to talk about the horrific nightmares going on in Iraq, right? | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Can't. | ||
| No. | ||
| You've got to talk about Arnold. | ||
| Arnold said decades ago that he wanted to run for president or that he wanted to be the head of a national police force. | ||
| And there's a good chance he'll end up being one of the two because he's in with the Illuminati, he's married into the Kennedys, and we will address Arnold Schwarzenegger or Arnold the Blackhead, that's what his name means. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It means Arnold the Slave. | ||
| We'll discuss Arnold the Austrian a little bit in this hour. | ||
| Well, it looks like Alex is a bit off on his prediction there about Arnold. | ||
| Seems like he was just governor of California for a bit, and now he makes videos with animals in his kitchen about how Trump is bad news and how he loves the people of Ukraine and the people of Russia. | ||
| Yeah, he seems like he's having a way better... | ||
| Post-2020 life, he's killing it, yeah. | ||
| Another point, Alex is totally wrong about the etymology of Schwarzenegger. | ||
| He's assuming that Schwartz means black, and the second half of his name, well, you can guess where Alex's head goes with that. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's where he's going with that. | ||
| That was a popular piece of incorrect information that was flying around at this time, and Alex saw it probably in a meme or some dumb blog and then just decided to pass it along to his audience as gospel. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| That's white dude. | ||
| Dude, shithead stuff right there. | ||
| In reality, the name comes from his ancestors being from a place called Schwarzenegger, which is in modern-day Austria. | ||
| Schwartz does mean black in this case, and egg is derived from the word meaning ridge. | ||
| Schwarzenegger's name means person from the black ridge. | ||
| Point here is Alex is stupid, and most of the things that he says mean absolutely nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he feigns this kind of expertise, or this depth of knowledge that he has, which is really just... | ||
| It's like, it's nothing. | ||
| It's the confidence with which you deliver absolute made-up nonsense. | ||
| No matter how many times it happens, there is a reason men have confidence in the name. | ||
| You peel back that layer, and you see what's underneath, and it's usually like, oh, just dumb shit. | ||
| I don't even think Alex probably thinks this is dumb. | ||
| He probably believes that that's true. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Why wouldn't he? | ||
| Well, because he never takes time to look into anything. | ||
| Wouldn't need to. | ||
| He's not sure. | ||
| Stuart's right. | ||
| I think he feels like 50% is like, I did that. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So we got Arnold on the docket. | ||
| He's very important. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Running for governor. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But Alex needs to take some calls. | ||
| Because if you remember on our last episode, he was in John Stattmiller's studio, and so he couldn't take calls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now he's got to get to these calls. | ||
| This is very important. | ||
| Also, movies are real. | ||
| So I do want to take time out to go to those calls today on any of the news items. | ||
| Any issue, any global story, national story, local story, something that you think is important that I should know about, or some propaganda you saw on the nightly news, or in a sitcom, or drama, or in a movie, because that's where more of the New World Order program is shot at us than any other places. | ||
| The mediums of fiction on television and in print, as well as movies. | ||
| So anything you want to discuss, it's wide open phones. | ||
| If you disagree with me, if you want to confront me, if you want to say that I'm a liar and that government is holy and that government can do no wrong and that it's conservative to turn your guns in, I disagree with that. | ||
| I believe it's not conservative to have open borders and to turn your guns in and to be For an abortion. | ||
| But again, I'm one of those old-fashioned conservatives. | ||
| So that's the way to disagree with you? | ||
| Is I have to call in and say that the government is holy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't be like, hey, maybe you're just wrong about stuff. | ||
| This feels straw man-y. | ||
| I'm going to guess, based upon the... | ||
| Length of time he's drawing out, call me, that maybe the show isn't as busy today as he might have you believe. | ||
| He has so much he has to talk about. | ||
| I really feel like I'm starting to think that maybe he doesn't have that much to talk about. | ||
| Well, you'd be fucking wrong. | ||
| I really don't think I would be. | ||
| Well, here's all the stuff he's not going to talk about today. | ||
| We'll talk about Colby Bryant. | ||
| We'll talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| We won't talk about the three dozen Level 4 bioweapons labs they're going to build around the country. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| The Baltimore Sun reported the government said they're going to build systems that produce thousands of gallons of liquid death. | ||
| And they've had monkeys and stuff escape from these in the past. | ||
| Stuff that makes West Nile and smallpox look like mother's milk. | ||
| No time. | ||
| We won't talk about that. | ||
| We'll talk about how all the microbiologists that are in race-specific... | ||
| What if I call in and talk about this? | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| I feel like he's drawing this out. | ||
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You could be talking about it now, in this space. | |
| No time. | ||
| Being called pneumonia. | ||
| Pneumonia doesn't liquefy your internal organs, folks. | ||
| Ebola does. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| Ebola does not liquefy your internal organs. | ||
| We won't talk about how UNESCO, the UN organization that runs our public schools, that Bush has gone on to an increased funding for, says that the family is the enemy and, quote, must be destroyed and is a, quote, disease. | ||
| Quote, no time. | ||
| We won't talk about how they're putting cancer viruses in the vaccines. | ||
| Sounds like he's got a busy show if he can't talk about all this stuff. | ||
| It's the equivalent of talking about what color to paint your toenails when you're two inches from running your car off of a cliff over a 5,000-foot ravine with spikes at the bottom. | ||
| But we'll talk about it. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| I want to talk about who put those spikes at the bottom of that ravine. | ||
| Have you ever played Mortal Kombat? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| On the arcade? | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Who put those spikes down there? | ||
| Shang Tsung did. | ||
| Same guy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Shang Tsung's got a guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So look, it's all Alex's choice what he covers. | ||
| I don't know if anybody can stop him. | ||
| If he's so mad that he's like, I gotta spend time on Kobe or Arnold Schwarzenegger, he should have just chosen to cover what he wants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His audience is clearly captured in the sense that they aren't going to leave him if he decides not to cover celebrity stories that he explicitly believes are beneath him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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They'd stick around, whatever. | |
| It's purely his choice of the thing that he wants to talk about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, what he just did there is covering these stories for him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's touching the surface of it and moving along. | ||
| That's all he wanted to do, yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He has nothing more to say about any of these stories anyway. | ||
| Well, he doesn't have any truth behind him. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So just touch on it and move on. | ||
| Make it sound like you're above that. | ||
| Oh, but no, I have to, oh, I'm so mad I have to talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| But the people demand that I do it, so okay. | ||
| I mean, I love the idea. | ||
| Like in a tragic sense, this is that almost Twilight Zone-ian, you know, like the TV journalist who's always stuck talking about, I don't want to talk about the cat stuck in the tree, you know, I want to be a real journalist. | ||
| And then they capture the audience so they can finally talk about what they want to talk about, but realize that all they're capable of talking about is that cat stuck in the tree. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like, it's a tragic situation. | |
| Right. | ||
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And ultimately, that is what they want to talk about, too. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Twilight Zone is great. | ||
| Yeah, this is Alex's black mirror. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, which is actually what Arnold Schwarzenegger's name translates to. | ||
| So, Alex takes some calls. | ||
| He gets a call from a guy who's been giving out a bunch of his tapes. | ||
| Now, I know that we know from listening to Alex's show that the success rate with those tapes... | ||
| 90 plus percent. | ||
| It's north of 90. North of 90, yeah. | ||
| Let's see what this guy has to say. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Well, I've given out hundreds of your tapes, and 50% of the people are lethargic and don't care. | |
| They're just lethargic. | ||
| They just don't even know. | ||
| They just watch it. | ||
| Did you watch it? | ||
| And they said, yeah. | ||
| They would watch it. | ||
| They just have a plain look in their eye, and they don't have any comments. | ||
| The second thing I do... | ||
| They're not even in the ballgame. | ||
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That's true. | |
| They're a bunch of spectators, so I just feel sorry for them. | ||
| They're like lemmings. | ||
| What about the other 50% that listen? | ||
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I'd say 25%, a quarter of the 50%, they care, they're passionate about it, we talk, we share videos, we swap videos, and we get involved. | |
| The other 25 are... | ||
| Well, hey, hey, 3% won the Revolutionary War. | ||
| Okay, your tone is a little different now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| 90% of people who watch my tapes are waking up. | ||
| Well, you know, we only need 3%. | ||
| 3% is all we need, though. | ||
| Like, we're happy that 90% happens. | ||
| So, first point, those 50% aren't lethargic. | ||
| They're polite. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| No, they're lethargic. | ||
| They're sleepy. | ||
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They don't have the energy necessary to get it up. | |
| Actually, maybe they are lethargic. | ||
| They're too tired to fight you about this nonsense. | ||
| You specifically, not the tape itself. | ||
| They can take the tape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| And I noticed a second thing that Alex is doing here where he's like, those people, they're not even in the game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I wonder if Alex's 90% excludes people who just don't even want to bother. | ||
| I'll watch. | ||
| I don't want to talk about it. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| This is stupid. | ||
| I don't even want to fight you on this. | ||
| So if those people are removed, then you're artificially creating this imaginary 90% by excluding all of the people who don't even want to talk to you. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| I mean, it seems like a cheat. | ||
| Okay, if you were, say you're downtown, you know, handing out your mixtape, trying to get people to listen to your demo. | ||
| And 95% of people don't even want it. | ||
| Don't even take it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But some people do take it. | ||
| And the one person who comes back to you eventually and is like, hey man, that was really good. | ||
| That's 95% of the people that have listened to it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So you've got a 95% success rate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's math. | ||
| If two people take your tape. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And... | ||
| Oh boy, two is too small. | ||
| One person comes back and says it's good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you've approached a thousand people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's a 50% success rate. | ||
| Ah, that does sound right to me. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Alex is cheating the numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So earlier he said the movies are real and film is real and all this stuff. | ||
| That's how they talk to us. | ||
| And he wanted people to call in if they've seen something. | ||
| If you see something, say something. | ||
| If you've seen a movie that tells me a secret about the globalists that I can pretend to know about. | ||
| I need to hear about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex is mad about this. | ||
| Dynamic, because he has to watch TV to get these messages. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| But he hates TV. | ||
| He doesn't want to watch it. | ||
| No, because it's evil. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But he has to watch it. | ||
| Well, they send messages. | ||
| He can't rely on the audience to constantly tell him everything, all these messages that they're seeing in the television. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If Alex doesn't watch TV... | ||
| Are they still sending Alex messages? | ||
| Yes, through his listeners who call in and tell him about episodes of things that they've seen. | ||
| Now, why hasn't Alex made this, like, real attempt? | ||
| You know, like, let's try and change the globalist's behavior, right? | ||
| So I won't watch TV or talk about TV or let my audience talk about TV. | ||
| And if they still want to get messages to me, they will have to send them through a different medium. | ||
| Well, here's the actual answer to that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's not just messages. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Demoralizing the public through the messages and stuff. | ||
| So even if Alex isn't watching, the globalists would have every reason to still do the same stuff. | ||
| So he's just monitoring for these dehumanizing, demoralizing messages. | ||
| That they can send him messages is more of like a side bonus. | ||
| A little bonus game that we can fuck with Alex and demoralize the populace. | ||
| The messages that they're sending are mostly the demoralizing things, which Alex experiences as them taunting him. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So there's... | ||
| That two-way communication. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway, we got to talk more about that episode of Frasier. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| It's a problem for me because I need to watch the news, the television. | ||
| I need to track and trace what they're doing and look at the propaganda. | ||
| And I still go to some movies. | ||
| I watch videos listeners send me of specific stuff. | ||
| It has been four weeks and counting. | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| While you were out with my wife last night when I got home, and I was reading Bloodlines of the Illuminati again by Fritz Springmeier. | ||
| Again? | ||
| While she was watching while you were out. | ||
| Where, you know, you do the repair of the house or whatever. | ||
| And I didn't even like that. | ||
| So I got a major problem. | ||
| Too many globalists! | ||
| I hate television so much. | ||
| And now, it's good to the point where I can't watch it. | ||
| I mean, it was becoming that upsetting. | ||
| We talked about the Frazier episode where he joins the gun club and his family, his friends all criticize him and what's wrong with him? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| This is evil. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| He could do anything else, but this was bad. | ||
| And then at the end he goes into the basement and there's the gun club huddled around something whispering. | ||
| He says, what's that? | ||
| They don't show what it is, but they say, oh, it's... | ||
| It's a machine we're building to defeat the New World Order. | ||
| And he screams in horror. | ||
| He sees it and runs out. | ||
| They don't show you what it is. | ||
| But the message is, there's these secret groups. | ||
| They're armed. | ||
| They own guns. | ||
| That's a sign of being a terrorist. | ||
| They want to bring down the government. | ||
| And Frazier was criticized by his whole family. | ||
| And it turns out he was right. | ||
| See, he fled out of the building. | ||
| And anybody that's into guns and talks about a New World Order is dangerous. | ||
| You better run screaming from them. | ||
| I mean, I couldn't watch a movie. | ||
| I couldn't watch a commercial. | ||
| I couldn't flip channels. | ||
| It's just wall-to-wall evil. | ||
| I can't handle it anymore, folks. | ||
| Turn it off then, dick. | ||
| Dan, everything must be made with my particular trigger warnings alerted to me in advance. | ||
| And frankly... | ||
| He does sound a little sensitive. | ||
| He sounds a little bit like he's triggered. | ||
| Well, look, Alex hasn't seen this Frasier episode. | ||
| He's just taken a little misrepresented details from Paul Joseph Watson's interview on yesterday's show, and then he's made up details to create a better story out of it. | ||
| He has really basic plot points wrong, like how it was Niles, not Frazier, who got into guns, or, more importantly, that it wasn't a gun club. | ||
| It was that Niles and his dad went to a shooting range. | ||
| The bigger aspect that Alex is really missing with this episode is that the shooting range and guns are treated as totally normal, safe, and actually fun. | ||
| Frasier's dad has a routine of going shooting and Niles is a stick in the mud, but after firing a gun, he realizes that it's really enjoyable and not that scary. | ||
| Nothing about guns or even an issue that the episode makes look bad. | ||
| that he met at the shooting range that are weirdo New World Order dudes and that wouldn't have even really been a problem except they were trying to get Niles to come to their compound in Idaho which is why Frazier's dad was worried in the first place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's the compound in Idaho that's suspicious not the guns. | |
| Frazier is portrayed Portraying guns as a legitimate way for a father and son to bond. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| You know, that's like a real thing. | ||
| Like, Alex could be fixating on that and saying, like, look, look, the New World Order, even the New World Order is like, you know. | ||
| Or, like, fine recreational activity. | ||
| Sure, absolutely. | ||
| Isn't that what you want people to think guns are? | ||
| I mean, at best, maybe. | ||
| Isn't that what they want? | ||
| So also, they weren't making a machine to fight the New World Order, and it wasn't in a basement. | ||
| They were at that gun show, and the dudes were looking at blueprints for a generator that they were going to need once the New World Order took over, which is what clued Niles in that he shouldn't go. | ||
| Anyway, the point is that Alex doesn't even watch TV to find these evil, hidden globalist messages. | ||
| He just hears second-hand retellings of plots and then makes up stuff so he can ramble to his listeners about evil, hidden globalist messages that aren't real. | ||
| Yeah, they're not real. | ||
| I mean, I think what's funny is that now, you know, back then, if I saw that episode, I'd be like, yeah, it's because those guys in Idaho are going to be crazy, you know, that kind of thing. | ||
| And now it's like I would run away from them just because their stories are really boring. | ||
| They're just, they're made up. | ||
| You weren't actually in the war, whichever one you're pretending to be in. | ||
| Now you're imagining details into this episode of Frasier. | ||
| Oh, I am. | ||
| No, they were just nice guys. | ||
| I'm imagining the Bundys. | ||
| That's what I'm imagining now. | ||
| I understand that, but that wasn't part of the episode. | ||
| Nah, fair. | ||
| The Bundys did not feature heavily in a Frasier episode, which would have been a true prediction. | ||
| So Alex takes another call, and this person also wants to talk about his films. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's kind of frustrating, Alex, at this point. | ||
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If we were to choose to copy two of them, which would be your choice? | |
| Probably 9-1-1 The Road to Tyranny and... | ||
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9-1-1 The Road to Tyranny. | |
| Police State 3 Total Enslavement. | ||
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Police State 3 Total Enslavement. | |
| Okay, Alex. | ||
| Hey, thanks a lot. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| It's tremendous. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| So you're... | ||
| You're seeing an effect giving people the videos. | ||
| Well, that's great. | ||
| Again, I'm not mad at Clifford Dick. | ||
| You guys are great, but I don't want to talk about my videos all day long. | ||
| No, they are having an effect. | ||
| Maybe somebody wants to comment about Arnold. | ||
| Arnold! | ||
| I thought you were the one! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You've got to respond to the diversion. | ||
| See, you understand what's going on here. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Alex passive-aggressively set up the show talking about how I've got all these big things to talk about, but oh, we've got to talk about Arnold. | ||
| Expecting then to open up the phones and people would call in. | ||
| Everybody would want to talk about Arnold. | ||
| And that would justify his like, oh, I've got to talk about this. | ||
| See, I told you I have to talk about Arnold. | ||
| I would love to talk about these important issues, but then the callers aren't going along with it. | ||
| So now he's frustrated. | ||
| Frustrated that they aren't rationalizing. | ||
| I wanted to talk about Arnold! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Yeah, and so he comes back from break. | ||
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He's trying to neg his audience into telling him about Arnold. | |
| He's just a little bit frustrated. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Alright, I do have a bunch of news we haven't even gotten to yet, but hey, we're not going to talk about it. | ||
| We're going to talk about Arnold all day and how important that is. | ||
| Why? | ||
| We're not. | ||
| No one wants to. | ||
| The audience doesn't care. | ||
| Literally nobody wants to. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nobody wants to. | ||
| Talk about your big news. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Come on, Dick. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| The only thing I kept thinking as this was going on was like, well, this... | ||
| Pageant is not working. | ||
| The game he's trying to play is just completely laid bare in front of everybody. | ||
| It's so pathetic. | ||
| That is so pathetic. | ||
| Yeah, so as I was listening to this, I was like, oh, that's the balm I needed. | ||
| On a week like this, where you don't want to talk about Alex in the present day, you hope to go back and see something like this happening on his show, because it's just delicious. | ||
| Yeah, this is a fantastic tripping up the stairs and falling onto a pie. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex has some other news. | ||
| Not in that laundry list of things to... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't think this is true, because it's not. | ||
| For those that just joined us, a caller in the last segment mentioned that the American Bar Association just voted last week to strike down the attorney-client privilege. | ||
| Notice they always call it a privilege. | ||
| And this means now in any case that your lawyer, when you're there giving them information or preparing your case, will go report on you to the prosecution and to the judge. | ||
| Now, that is a 180 from what America was founded to be. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| They'll wrap that to the American flag and say you're not patriotic if you don't do it. | ||
| This isn't true. | ||
| That sounds... | ||
| That's such a great, like, oh, if this were happening, I'd be furious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I imagine this has something to do with there being some exceptions to attorney-client privilege. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you're trying to witness tamper or, like, destroy evidence or something like that. | ||
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Or if your client's like, hey, you want to commit a murder with me later? | |
| Your attorney doesn't have to maintain privilege if they're trying to be involved in a crime with you or whatever. | ||
| The crime fraud provisions. | ||
| Allow for that to be breached. | ||
| Hey, lawyer man, lie for me! | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I mean, I have to tell people that you said that. | ||
| Sorry, man. | ||
| Or you even have to. | ||
| You could just remove yourself as an attorney, but you can break the privilege in those cases. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, there's other news. | ||
| Again, we're not going to talk about how they've announced they're going to build three dozen giant level four. | ||
| Bio-weapons labs that produce stuff worse than smallpox. | ||
| So you're taking another swing at this. | ||
| Worse than anthrax. | ||
| Super-weaponized Ebola. | ||
| Super-weaponized smallpox. | ||
| See, a level three is just smallpox or anthrax. | ||
| A level four is weaponized. | ||
| See, now this is why I'm saying he just, when he lists off the things that he's not going to talk about, that is him talking about it. | ||
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Yeah, that's all he's got. | |
| Because he comes back to it, and it's just the same thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And also, what he just said is so not true. | ||
| If Alex actually thinks that level four labs are for weaponized things, that explains a lot of his dumb ideas, but he's just making that up. | ||
| The distinction between Level 3 and 4 are that things that are studied in Level 4 labs are, quote, infectious agents or toxins that pose a high risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening diseases for which no vaccine or therapy is available. | ||
| Both use very high levels of safety protocols, but understandably, for things that are, you know... | ||
| Studied in level 4, they need greater controls. | ||
| Smallpox and Ebola are absolutely not level 3 pathogens. | ||
| They're studied in level 4 labs. | ||
| He has no idea of the things he's talking about. | ||
| I'm just going to throw this out there. | ||
| I'm the globalist. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out where to put my weaponized stuff. | ||
| I'm not just going to give it a blanket level. | ||
| I'm not just going to be like, oh, by the way... | ||
| To the whole world, in case you were wondering, all of my level four laboratories, that's where I weaponize things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Take a swing. | ||
| Take a bite at this apple, Alex. | ||
| Level five. | ||
| Level five! | ||
| It could just be level five! | ||
| That would explain why there's no records of any of this. | ||
| It's all clandestine. | ||
| Make it a secret level. | ||
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Boom. | |
| If there was a weaponized lab level, I wouldn't tell people about it. | ||
| It would be a secret. | ||
| It's a slam dunk. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on, Alex. | ||
| There's a whole other level for that. | ||
| Do better. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| There's another really fun thing that happens on this episode. | ||
| The first thing is that Arnold charade falling apart. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Delightful. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| First hour of the show. | ||
| Just what a chef's kiss. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's another really fun thing that happens for the last hour of the show. | ||
| He talks about a different episode of Frasier? | ||
| I wish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You do wish. | ||
| It's fun in a different way. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Unfortunately... | ||
| There's some anti-Semitism we've got to get through on the way there. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| Alex is upset that people are mad at the Passion of the Christ still. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And he says something strange here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, but Mel Gibson makes something wholesome. | ||
| And his dad comes on this show and talks about decent, wholesome things. | ||
| Is the Passion of the Christ wholesome? | ||
| The family is listeners of this network. | ||
| We appreciate them listening. | ||
| And there, I got articles today. | ||
| The film's going to be boycotted by the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL, because it shows the Pharisees calling for Christ to be killed. | ||
| Well, that's not anti-Semitic. | ||
| I mean, Jesus was a Semite. | ||
| Palestinians are Semites. | ||
| The Jews are Semitic. | ||
| Just means you're from that area. | ||
| I mean, that's how crazy it's gotten. | ||
| Jesus is now racist, folks. | ||
| And they actually say that in there, that the New Testament is racist. | ||
| And there's moves in Europe to ban it. | ||
| I read the BBC News articles. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because Christ points his finger at him and says, you know, you're evil, you're corrupt, you're of the devil. | ||
| He was talking to the establishment Pharisees. | ||
| He wasn't talking about the Jews as a whole. | ||
| He was talking about Jews that didn't accept him. | ||
| Ah, I see. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He wasn't talking about Jews, just the specific subset of Jews that don't agree with him, thus setting off an ability for us to hate them for the rest of our lives. | ||
| I don't understand what that was a problem there. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Ah, no big deal. | ||
| What? | ||
| No! | ||
| He just chooses to hate every Jew who's... | ||
| Oh no, now I'm getting it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's... | ||
| We've talked a bit already about the Passion of the Christ and the problems with it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Mel Gibson's dad's problems. | ||
| So many problems. | ||
| Holocaust denial and such. | ||
| He's still allowed to be in movies. | ||
| And so, yeah. | ||
| But the way Alex is framing that there at the end is bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is... | ||
| I don't understand how these things can come out of his mouth and he doesn't recognize, hey, this is what I'm saying. | ||
| You cannot say things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There are things you can choose not to say. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we have one more clip before we get to the really fun thing. | ||
| And it's Alex reporting on a story that is not. | ||
| And then they got the World of Wonder Channel 4. It's not World of Wonder, that's a production company. | ||
| Channel 4 is the group doing it. | ||
| Over in England. | ||
| Well, they're going to put a bunch of 10-year-olds together to have sex in a house, and that's normal. | ||
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Oh, that's horrible. | |
| Sure would be. | ||
| Sure would be. | ||
| It was minded, and the Scotland Yard Diversity Unit may arrest you. | ||
| Did you know now that the Scotland Yard is arresting people if they criticize that? | ||
| That's absolutely horrible. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Scotland Yard's diversity unit is going to come after you if you criticize an alleged show where they put 10-year-olds in a house to have sex with each other. | ||
| I mean, that's ridiculous. | ||
| It's just so... | ||
| I do appreciate that that is kind of the bread and butter of radio, though. | ||
| There's a little bit of like, did you hear this? | ||
| Did you hear this in the news? | ||
| I read recently, don't quote me on this, I read that somebody somewhere in some government said that they were going to replace the sugar in ice cream with bird feces. | ||
| Can you believe this? | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| It is the government out of control, okay? | ||
| They've run amok! | ||
| I will say, though, I recently went back and I was watching all of the Agatha Christie Poirot episodes, and there was one where Poirot and Colonel Hastings were sitting around having a conversation, and Chief Inspector Jap came in, and he was just complaining from a hard day of arresting people for criticizing the show about 10-year-old's compensation. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| Ah, Poirot! | ||
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This is just ridiculous. | |
| He's not French. | ||
| He is Belgian. | ||
| So, we get to this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Alex has a guest. | ||
| It's actually two guests. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he only is really giving an interview. | ||
| Kid and play? | ||
| I wish. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| That would be great. | ||
| They'd have a house party. | ||
| Yeah, that would be great. | ||
| But it's a guy named Paul Revere. | ||
| Not real name. | ||
| Yeah, well, I would... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to say one thing really quick. | ||
| If I'm Alex Jones, I'm not accepting bookings from people with aliases. | ||
| I'm just not. | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| Especially if it's Paul Revere. | ||
| I can't trust you. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| So, Paul Revere. | ||
| I trust Carpe Doctum more than somebody who changed his name to Paul Revere. | ||
| You're a liar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a pastor of sorts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex recently heard him on another guy's show, this guy named John Anderson, who's a guy, I think he has a voice of ministry or voice of truth or something. | ||
| It's another show on Genesis. | ||
| One of those. | ||
| And so Paul Revere has some thoughts about Romans 13. Now, as we know, Romans 13 is one of the things that Christian... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They believe that this is a twisting of scripture, and they're very, very upset about it. | ||
| They're real mad about something in their book. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So this is what Paul Revere's bread and butter is. | ||
| I will allow Alex to give an introduction, and then I have a fun story to tell you. | ||
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| I'm about to go to my guest here in a few minutes, but let's keep him on hold for just a second because I want to introduce him first, and then I want to plug my videos. | ||
| Paul Revere is a well-known minister, non-establishment minister, in the U.S., and they have their peaceful community attacked by tanks and smashed and crushed. | ||
| Chased to the woods? | ||
| We're going to be talking about Romans 13 and how the churches say that we're supposed to follow all orders of the government. | ||
| The government is basically God. | ||
| This was one of Hitler's most... | ||
| Favorite things to promote and say. | ||
| It's taken totally out of context. | ||
| The new Bibles are being edited and changed and altered in amazing ways. | ||
| And so even if you're not a Christian, this is very interesting because it's kind of that Orwellian memory hole where history's being altered all around us and in front of us. | ||
| And I heard Mr. Revere yesterday on the air with John Anderson, who is on the network. | ||
| I know a lot of people don't agree with him. | ||
| Some do. | ||
| I'm not getting off into a debate about eschatology versus other interpretations of the Bible, but I do agree with Mr. Anderson about his comment that A lot of the churches lie down and say we're not supposed to be involved because, you know, Jesus is going to come back and do it all for us. | ||
| This is very important to understand what's happening inside the New World Order. | ||
| So put a pin in Alex's disagreement about eschatology. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Might come up later. | ||
| Ah, man, you know, if your book can just, like, be edited and then that's it. | ||
| Then it wasn't that holy of a book in the first place. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, there are some arguments you can make on that front. | ||
| I would rather focus on the fact that you have pre- and post-trib rapture ideas. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And people who believe different things about that tend to fight with each other. | ||
| They get real mad because Alex is not a pre-trib guy. | ||
| You gotta go through it to do it. | ||
| This... | ||
| Might come up. | ||
| Now, I want to talk about Paul Revere. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
| So, he was on John Anderson's show talking about how Romans 13 is bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm not interested in that. | ||
| We're not going to argue. | ||
| What I'm interested in is the scam that Revere was working that he doesn't bring up at all on this show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I don't know if he thinks it's a scam. | ||
| I think he doesn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Part of Paul Revere's philosophy is that you are a citizen of the country that you're born in. | ||
| And when you're reborn in Christ, you are now a citizen of heaven. | ||
| That's something I can go along with as a metaphor, but I need to make it clear to you that Revere means this literally. | ||
| Are you going to tell me that he is going to sell some sort of citizenship passes? | ||
| Well, he runs a church called the Embassy of Heaven, and there's a reason it's called the Embassy. | ||
| He gives people passports to heaven. | ||
| Through his website, he sells fake official documents that he claims can be used instead of U.S. government documents, like a passport, a driver's license. | ||
| Or even enrollment in, quote, mutual assurance, which appears to be some kind of fake insurance. | ||
| Also, there's business licenses, deeds to cars. | ||
| So he's creating an alternative government and just calling it heaven. | ||
| Well, at least the, like, documents office of it, yes. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| So beyond selling fake official documents, which is probably illegal. | ||
| Oh, it's so illegal. | ||
| Revere has also created a bunch of fun civic information about the country of heaven. | ||
| For instance, he takes things that are mentioned in the Bible and then uses them as official symbols of the country. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| I have four things that I'm going to ask you. | ||
| You have to guess what they are. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What is the national musical instrument of heaven? | ||
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Ooh. | |
| This one you should be able to get. | ||
| I mean, you know, you could go with the lyre, right? | ||
| You could. | ||
| Sounds too much like lyre. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Well, actually, I think there's probably a number of options on this. | ||
| You could also go harp. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But harp, see, I was going to think harp, but that's not going to... | ||
| Draw people into your embassy of heaven. | ||
| Everybody already thinks the harp in the heaven. | ||
| It's a trumpet. | ||
| Oh, it's a trumpet. | ||
| There's a lot of trumpets in the Bible. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| What is the national animal of heaven? | ||
| The dove. | ||
| No, that's the national bird. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| National animal. | ||
| National animal. | ||
| Why didn't I think of... | ||
| Why is a bird an animal? | ||
| Lion. | ||
| No. | ||
| Aslan! | ||
| Lamb of God. | ||
| Oh, fuck off! | ||
| What are you blaking me? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Next one, third. | ||
| You're 0 for 2 so far. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm not doing great on this, so I'm gonna get kicked out of heaven. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The National Dance. | ||
| Ooh, the Lombada. | ||
| For it is the forbidden dance. | ||
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That's forbidden. | |
| Leaping for joy. | ||
| Leaping for joy is the dance. | ||
| National Dance of Heaven. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
|
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How am I supposed to guess Leaping for Joy? | |
| It's a good dance. | ||
| Oh, you're not wrong. | ||
| So, National Song of Heaven. | ||
| I mean, why not Ode to Joy? | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| That would be an interesting choice. | ||
| It's traditional. | ||
| It's My Country Tis of Thee. | ||
| Explain to me how that is possibly... | ||
| First, it doesn't even fit the pattern. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Everything else is stuff that's mentioned in the Bible. | ||
| It only has My Country Tis of Thee. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the name of that song is actually America. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| It's in parentheses, My Country Tis of Thee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the dude who wrote it just stole the tune from God Save the Queen. | ||
| It's basically a parody song of patriotism. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, yeah, this guy's got a website called The Embassy of Heaven, and... | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
|
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Born in the heaven! | |
| He has a whole section about his encounters with police. | ||
| Yeah, that is the type of thing that you would experience a lot if this was your church. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's driving around one day, and he sees some cops. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so he pulls over. | ||
| This is after he had gone to the post office, because he had to do some official business. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Hey, I'm going to throw this out here real quick. | ||
| The embassy of heaven. | ||
| White guy? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I only have seen a small picture of him, but I would guess. | ||
| So, he goes down this street and, quote, Ooh. | ||
| No! | ||
| As Quinn was talking on the radio, I asked Rachel how to handle the situation. | ||
| She had no answer. | ||
| We both realized that it had been five years since being stopped and I was pretty rusty. | ||
| Two unmarked cars arrived within moments. | ||
| One of the persons in the first car was the chief of police. | ||
| Quinn approached my side of the car and stood slightly behind me. | ||
| He asked to see my driver's license and registration. | ||
| I asked if he was tape recording and he said he was not. | ||
| I am an ambassador of Jesus Christ for the Kingdom of Heaven. | ||
| I am using the highways and the Kingdom of Heaven in the performance of my official duties to evangelize the Kingdom of Heaven according to the Great Commission. | ||
|
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All right, sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out of the car. | |
| I had declared my intent, which showed I was operating under the highest authority. | ||
| Yet Quinn ignored my statement and repeated his question. | ||
| May I see your driver's license and registration? | ||
| I want more info about how he rates a chief of police stop as well. | ||
| Like, the chief of police is also in the car? | ||
| Small town or not actually the chief of police? | ||
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Possibly. | |
| Maybe made up. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I was not quite sure how to handle the situation, so I said that I needed some time to think about it. | ||
| Quinn said he would... | ||
| Give me a few minutes, and he returned to his car and talked with the undercover people. | ||
| When he returned, he asked me if I was Paul Revere. | ||
| I responded by saying, yes, I am Paul Revere. | ||
| Clearly a figure about town. | ||
| Oh, man, that's the moment. | ||
| That's the moment. | ||
| If I'm Paul Revere, I'm like, everything I've ever worked for just paid off in that moment when the cop goes, Are you Paul Revere? | ||
| Yes, you better believe it, sir! | ||
| He then asked for a third time, may I see your driver's license and registration? | ||
| Probably a little bit slower this time. | ||
| I have responded, I have documents at the Embassy of Heaven, and I also have documents with me. | ||
| If I give you these documents, what will you do with them? | ||
| And he responded, if it is those church documents, I will not recognize them. | ||
| Okay, well, I guess that settles it. | ||
| Step out of the car, you're under arrest. | ||
| So this is how his run-ins with police go. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| And I was pretty curious about this story because I was like, why'd you get pulled over in the first place? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then I scrolled down a little bit further and there's a section here and the title of the section is Heaven Plates Removed. | ||
| That's kind of what I was waiting for. | ||
| I was waiting for some sort of heaven reason being the like... | ||
| Dude, you've lit your own lights up with candles. | ||
| That's not how cars work. | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| He made his own Embassy of Heaven license plates, which is gonna get you pulled over. | ||
| That's gonna happen. | ||
| I'm amazed he made it a couple years without getting pulled over. | ||
| But the way the guy's like, are you Paul Revere? | ||
| I imagine maybe there's like, let him go. | ||
| No, there's absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind that he gets away with that just because the more you bother him, the more he's gonna bother you. | ||
| And it's more proof of his own persecution complex. | ||
| I don't know what you do. | ||
| It's also proof that all of these laws are fake and made up and are only enforced based upon the willingness of the law to enforce itself upon us, Dan. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You could just say no to the cops. | ||
| I wouldn't do it. | ||
| So, while they're having a conversation about Romans 13... | ||
| Everything is going good. | ||
| And Alex believes that these are smart, smart people. | ||
| And I'm interested to see how Paul Revere and John Anderson respond to all of them. | ||
| Those are both very intelligent men and are definitely saying a lot of things that are different than what we hear from a lot of the mainstream folks. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Let's think. | ||
| I don't think they're going to get people to think. | ||
| I'm thinking about some stuff. | ||
| Yeah, are you? | ||
| I'm thinking about... | ||
| Alright, so here, we have this guy, Paul Revere, and he's on with John Anderson. | ||
| They're clearly associates. | ||
| They seem to like each other. | ||
| He's been on Anderson's show, and Paul Revere believes that the United States doesn't exist. | ||
| Or at least, he's not beholden to any of these laws because he's a citizen of heaven. | ||
| And anybody who's born again in Christ should be a citizen of heaven. | ||
| So he doesn't really care too much about America. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The Founding Fathers. | ||
| Sure, well, they're, you know. | ||
| The Constitution. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And maybe this comes up. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| John Anderson, you were trying to make a point here about Romans 13. And what the King James Version clearly says, and how they take it out of context there. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Okay, here's an example, Alex, that I think will serve to show the point. | ||
| If I ask you, because you deal a lot with this, to name three founding fathers right off the top of your head, who would you name? | ||
| Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Thomas Paine. | ||
| Okay, exactly. | ||
| What if I named Peter? | ||
| John and Paul. | ||
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You see, it's a concept. | |
| Going in when we read the Bible with the preconceived idea, thus we come up with the wrong answer. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You're small-minded thinking about America. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The country was founded by the apostles. | ||
| That is such the fucking Eckhart Tolle giving a speech way of doing it. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Who are your three best businessmen? | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| I'll tell you who mine are. | ||
| Jesus Christ himself. | ||
| Okay, alright man, alright, okay. | ||
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Yeah, pretty good, pretty good. | |
| So this is where things started to feel like this could get messy. | ||
| I'm not sure where this is going to go. | ||
| And quicker than I imagined, it did get into ideas about the rapture. | ||
| And they are not on the same page. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Now, for just a moment, and as you know, I'm a preterist. | ||
| The voice of reason teaches preterism, period, as far as eschatology or last things, which means past fulfillment. | ||
| Now, let's say for a moment that you are a futurist, one that believes the book of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled. | ||
| We've got a break. | ||
| Stay right there. | ||
| Look, all I'm saying is, I agree with Paul Revere. | ||
| I agree with you about Romans 13. That's clear. | ||
| We'll have to talk about the other stuff when we get back. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| So, here's the thing to understand. | ||
| This is not even an issue of post or pre-trib rapture. | ||
| He's denying that the rapture even happens because he's saying that the book of Revelations was already fulfilled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By Jesus' coming, the entirety of all that prophecy is already... | ||
| It's already done. | ||
| The devil's gone. | ||
| We banged it out. | ||
| Now we're waiting to get our passport to get into the Coney Island of heaven. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| No. | ||
| Coney Island? | ||
| Ellis Island? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was thinking of Coney Island. | ||
| That's the one I was thinking of, for sure. | ||
| Get a grazed papaya of heaven. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex can't handle this. | ||
| And one of the reasons that I really feel coming through strongly is that Alex needs the devil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This will put to bed very officially whether or not Alex believes in a literal devil in 2003. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Because he definitely does. | ||
| And there is such an aversion on his part to living in a world without the devil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He needs the devil. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, once again, reinforcing my belief that he is the actual Satan worship here, you know, based upon what he describes Satan worshiping people, the noises they make are the noises he makes. | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| You know, like, it's the way it works. | ||
| I think it's not worshiping the devil on Alex's part, but I think the devil is something of a comfort blanket for him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is very weird. | ||
| It's somebody else's fault. | ||
| You know, I need to have these guys on, I guess... | ||
| When we're not in such a hot news cycle of all this worldly stuff that we track here. | ||
| But I heard him yesterday talking about Romans 13. And I've been to Sunday school. | ||
| I've read the Romans 13 out of the King James Version. | ||
| And you look at what the whole chapter says, and it's about the church and how the church should behave and how the church should be governed and how you should... | ||
| You know, how you should behave. | ||
| And then they take it and they translate it and change it into worship the government, follow any orders that it has to say. | ||
| And Hitler used this. | ||
| And it's just, it's so dangerous. | ||
| And then John Anderson, who's a preterist, they believe that, you know, in 70 AD that... | ||
| Check out that slave Bible. | ||
| ...now all have the, you know, that Jesus finished his work and that now the only evil that's here is the evil of man and the devil's gone. | ||
| Hey, we want to talk about this. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| We can take calls on the issue. | ||
| People are saying, well, wait. | ||
| We're going to have a religious show. | ||
| This affects the psyche of the world, folks, whether you believe in God or not. | ||
| This affects the psyche. | ||
| And I know a lot of these big churches can't stand up against evil because they say, oh, we're about to get taken out of here and it's not our responsibility. | ||
| My Bible says it is your responsibility to stand up against the works of darkness. | ||
| Speak out against evil to fight corruption. | ||
| They're not disputing that, really. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're still bad. | ||
| It's just bad people who are doing bad things. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Who are outside of this kingdom of heaven that exists on earth. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Like, there's still, like, an obligation to be a good person and be opposed to bad things. | ||
| Yeah, the Bible doesn't go away if Romans... | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's, um... | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| And then Alex is trying to twist it, too, now to be the post-trib, pre-trib idea there with these churches that are saying that we're about to be taken out of here. | ||
| That's not what these guys are. | ||
| These guys are different. | ||
| See, this is the type of shit that makes me want to really get people to understand why Christian nationalism is bad. | ||
| Sure, you say you want a Christian nation, but are you a futurist or a preterist? | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Because you don't fucking know what Christianity fucking is! | ||
| Yeah, the breakdowns of... | ||
| Really, really aggressive disagreements. | ||
| It is insane! | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's the same thing with like, alright, I want statehood and state sovereignty. | ||
| It's like, alright, I'd like to introduce you to the King of Texas. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Well, now I don't know if I want that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, I didn't think about how this could go wrong! | ||
| Yeah, there's unforeseen consequences. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, it's just, I think that Alex has an idea. | ||
| Of how things operate and the way his mythology and the cosmos to him, it requires cosmic evil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It requires the bad guys on his side not be bad people doing bad things or good people who are parts of bad systems or neutral. | ||
| It has to be something of this mythological good versus evil struggle. | ||
| And you can really just, that's what I feel coming through in his opposition. | ||
| And I tell you, I listen to the show, and it's confusing, because I agree with some things they say. | ||
| I see the problems with the modern church that says, lay down the corruption, go along with it. | ||
| And then I hear these guys saying that, well, I've heard them say these guys that just talk about the New World Order all day. | ||
| I get sick of it, I heard Anderson say, yesterday, because... | ||
| Because, you know, the answer is right here in our hearts and souls and minds. | ||
| If we just come to Christ, we wouldn't have an evil society. | ||
| Well, you said it best. | ||
| There's still going to be evil people. | ||
| They're still going to come in army tanks and try to kill Christians, just like they do all the time. | ||
| So I've got to expose China killing Christians. | ||
| I've got to expose the government kidnapping children. | ||
| I've got to expose them putting cancer viruses in the vaccines. | ||
| Because that is saving lives, and we are saving lives. | ||
| So, you know, this is very confusing stuff. | ||
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And I know to you guys it's not confusing. | |
| That must be a very comfortable place to be in. | ||
| But I'm just very confused. | ||
| Alex is confusing himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're not saying you shouldn't talk about or talk out about any of those things necessarily. | ||
| It's just that maybe the New World Order isn't the devil. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I think, I mean, like, you know, deep down, my feeling on it is Alex finds it very, very comforting to think that there are people that can override. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So, like, no matter what, at the end of the day, you've got a, I don't need to take responsibility for my actions card. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, that's why the devil, that's why God exists, is because at the end of the day, I am in their sway. | ||
| I'm just part of their little struggle or whatever it is. | ||
| I don't have to look at myself in the mirror and say, I'm responsible for every single thing I've ever done. | ||
| I'm in the arena, but it's their arena. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think there's something to that. | ||
| And then I also think that because Alex is so obsessed with this idea of this tyrannical one-world government, it's the entire world, and it's like, alright, what's above the world? | ||
| Well, it's gotta be cosmic forces and the devil and stuff. | ||
| It can't just be like... | ||
| A president of the world is a human. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You can't have that. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| So then there's the other aspect, too, that I think that is narcissism-based, and that is Alex sees himself as such a conquering hero that he must be up against the great evil in the entire universe and have some kind of hubris that thinks he can actually defeat this devil. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And I think that it would be unsatisfying for him to just be... | ||
| Somebody who's like, okay, I see a problem. | ||
| I'm going to work towards an actual solution to it. | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You rebuilt someone's house after a natural disaster or something. | ||
| Well, then now what do we do? | ||
| Do we fight somebody? | ||
| That's not... | ||
| I mean, there's gonna be a devil somewhere. | ||
| Do you kill the devil now? | ||
| Is that what happens next? | ||
| It's not as gratifying to sort of be a part of working towards helping and solving real issues. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is gratifying to imagine everything you do, whether it is... | ||
| Productive or a mistake or stupid. | ||
| All of those things are part... | ||
| Oh, or you're misinterpreting a Frasier episode. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| All of that is fighting the fucking devil. | ||
| I mean, that is a grandiose way to live your life. | ||
| And I imagine... | ||
| Yeah, and you know, if you're someone empty... | ||
| With that kind of narcissism, you know, the devil is his nemesis. | ||
| It's not his archenemy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, the archenemy you would be fine defeating. | ||
| That would be me. | ||
| But the nemesis you would feel, yeah, exactly. | ||
| If he defeated you, he'd be like, hooray, we defeated Dan, you know? | ||
| Like, we got him. | ||
| But if he defeats the devil, he's like, well, then who's gonna push me? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Who's gonna make me more holy? | ||
| That kind of feeling. | ||
| It's his nemesis. | ||
| Knife sharpens knife. | ||
| But it is, well... | ||
| That's not how knives work. | ||
| No, and also there isn't a second knife. | ||
| It's an imaginary knife. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Air sharpens knife. | ||
| So this aspect will come up more later, this absence of the devil in their worldview and how this is, like, incompatible. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But the not liking America thing is great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is so fun. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Where do you stand, then, on the founding fathers of this country standing up to England? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Because, again, this is where it gets real confusing. | ||
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Well, it's real simple, Alex. | |
| If you take a look, well, from Scripture, Jesus says that good seed produces good fruit. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Bad seed produces bad fruit. | ||
| I don't like where this is going. | ||
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Good cannot produce bad. | |
| Bad cannot produce good. | ||
| Gregor Mandel would disagree. | ||
|
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Well, what did the United States, the people, the deists of that time, those who were referred to as the founding fathers of the country in America, Where did these people come from? | |
| They were not all deists. | ||
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Well, the majority of them were. | |
| No, a third. | ||
| Some of the prominent ones were. | ||
| All right, a third of them were all the famous ones. | ||
| What the fuck do you... | ||
| What kind of whiny response is that? | ||
| Okay, well, most of them were. | ||
| You gotta just quibble. | ||
| Anyway, so he's saying that good cannot come from bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he elaborates on that here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Point is, they came from England. | |
| It was a teenager who had grown up and said, I want a piece of the action. | ||
| I don't want the mother country to rule us. | ||
| We want to rule ourselves. | ||
| So that's really where it came from. | ||
| Therefore, they were fighting their own kin. | ||
| They were fighting, but they wanted to be a teenager that grew up. | ||
| Did it come out of Ecclesia? | ||
| Did it come out of the kingdom of God? | ||
| No, it cannot possibly have. | ||
| It came out of the world. | ||
| And they even in their own declarations declared. | ||
| We take equal station among the powers of the Earth. | ||
| Well, I'm glad they did what they did. | ||
| Or we wouldn't even exist right now. | ||
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We don't know that. | |
| Oh, come on. | ||
| You're saying that Paul Revere, you're even named after one of them, wouldn't have existed. | ||
| I mean, look. | ||
| We wouldn't exist right now. | ||
| It was obviously God's plan. | ||
| I mean, do you think God just turns things on and just turns it loose? | ||
| They did. | ||
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I think he did. | |
| In fact, at one point he repented that he even made man, and he desired to destroy the whole world. | ||
| Get him. | ||
| Why are you worshiping that guy? | ||
| Real quick, real quick. | ||
| You said your god was like, oh, I should have killed everybody. | ||
| I don't want to worship that guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, he does make a good point to Alex's, you know, it's a rebuttal. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's a fine rebuttal. | ||
| It is a fine rebuttal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, apparently, obviously, if you could understand anything about what these people actually believe, you would know that they can't possibly be in favor of the United States, the founding documents, the founding fathers. | ||
| All of that stuff. | ||
| But here's what's interesting about this. | ||
| A lot of the beliefs that you have could still overlap. | ||
| Because, according to Alex, so many of these things that are in the Constitution are actually God-given rights, and so they predate the Constitution. | ||
| Those are things that the government cannot do to you as opposed to rights that they give you. | ||
| So coincidentally, if he believes, or if like Paul Revere and John Anderson both are like, everybody should have all the guns, they could still believe that with or without a belief in the Constitution. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I don't think Alex would ever let the conversation get there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because... | ||
| It's so much... | ||
| He needs the Constitution. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the same way that he needs the devil, he needs that in order to... | ||
| Have his God-given right. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| But he doesn't actually care about the Constitution. | ||
| He cares about the idea of the Constitution that he's created. | ||
| He doesn't like all of the Constitution. | ||
| And if he had his druthers... | ||
| There are a few parts he doesn't like. | ||
| He'd scratch them out. | ||
| There's a couple of others. | ||
| It is a stupid, stupid conversation whenever he's like, No! | ||
| The Constitution is inviolate! | ||
| I mean, I would get rid of this amendment. | ||
| I would get rid of this part. | ||
| I don't want to deal with this. | ||
| Freedom of religion. | ||
| Get that out of here. | ||
| We should also outlaw the Democratic Party. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Okay, so why are you arguing with him about whether or not the Founding Fathers were 100% right about everything? | ||
| Because Alex is on his back foot. | ||
| He doesn't know what he's doing. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| This is an interview he shouldn't do. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| So, look, there's no devil, but... | ||
| Wait, do you mean, do you know that? | ||
| Well, that's what John Anderson believes. | ||
| By the way, Paul Revere, barely in this interview. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like he's... | ||
| It's mostly John Anderson and Alex arguing with each other. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But Alex wants to know if there's no devil. | ||
| Why do people worship the devil? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| I know this. | ||
| It's not the devil pulling my strings. | ||
| But again, according to John Anderson, and I guess Paul Revere, the devil isn't even around anymore. | ||
| Let me ask you guys this question. | ||
| And really, I respect you. | ||
| That is according to Scripture, not according to John Anderson. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| What I'm trying to ask you here is this. | ||
| Why did the world leaders go to the Bohemian Grove to worship the devil? | ||
| Why does Arnold Schwarzenegger go to worship the devil? | ||
| Still wants to talk about Arnold. | ||
| I was a cult for five years of my life. | ||
| I went through the nonsense. | ||
| I came to the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ in January of 19th. | ||
| I found myself in a very bizarre position where... | ||
| I am laughing my ass off at Paul Revere believing that he's a citizen of the kingdom of heaven and laws don't apply, but... | ||
| He and John Anderson make a lot more sense than Alex in this interview. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I really do want to fight him. | ||
| I really do want to throw a rock in his face. | ||
| Well, some people talk to him. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Those rocks. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| I've seen people do all kinds of weird shit. | ||
| Like, for instance, one time I got pulled over by a cop because if I believe in some weird stuff, I started talking shit to him. | ||
| To be fair, this is John talking Paul Revere. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| But the question... | ||
| If the devil doesn't exist, why do people worship him? | ||
| And the answer being, people do a lot of weird shit. | ||
| It's like, well, I don't have a rebuttal to that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But you do a lot of weird shit, goddammit! | ||
| Right, there's that. | ||
| And I'm pretty sure that if I knew more about either Paul Revere or John Anderson, I would not think that they would come off as rational at all. | ||
| No, no, no, of course. | ||
| And obviously, even just from this website, I don't think Paul's got a good head on his shoulders. | ||
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Nope. | |
| But... | ||
| Alex cannot handle very basic things that John Anderson is throwing at him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's pretty not good. | ||
| But John did bring up that he used to be involved in the occult. | ||
| And this is going to be a good way for Alex to try and be like, maybe you are the devil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, no, they can't bond over his previous being in the occult. | ||
| Alex is pretending that's not true at this point. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
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Where maybe it was just like, well, it's not for continuity right now. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, John, I didn't know that. | ||
| What type of occult stuff were you into? | ||
| Oh, I was involved in basically pseudo-satanic. | ||
| It was what is called a non-blood cult. | ||
| We believed in basically the adherence to the Golden Dawn, the Great White Brotherhood. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| What? | ||
| I worked as a professional psychic. | ||
| I'm the one that made the prediction to Larry Flint, bungalow number six. | ||
| That there would be an attempt on his life within 30 days, 23 days he was shot in Lawrenceville, Georgia. | ||
| That made national headlines. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| How'd you do that if there aren't spirits and things out there? | ||
| It's called a lucky guess, Alex. | ||
| No, you know, I think... | ||
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Alex, I can tell you that you're both named. | |
| Damn. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Alex, do you not understand that the point of this story is, I no longer believe I was psychic. | ||
| Alex, you realize the point of this story is that I am telling you I am not actually psychic. | ||
| I do not have the powers of a psychic. | ||
| I believed that back then. | ||
| How'd you do that without the spirits? | ||
| Well, I didn't do it. | ||
| The thing I said, I didn't. | ||
| I wasn't a psychic. | ||
| So, again... | ||
| That's delightful. | ||
| And I think one of the reasons is you have Alex who lies about his predictions in order to appear prophetic in some ways. | ||
| I didn't look into this, so I don't know if John Anderson actually did make this prediction. | ||
| But assuming that he did, he's disowning it as some kind of a feat of his brilliance, as a lucky guess. | ||
| That kind of like... | ||
| It's refreshing to see a poet in juxtaposition to Alex, although I'm sure John Anderson is a wild lunatic. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No doubt there. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is fantastic. | ||
| Did you tell Larry Flint this? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| He just predicted it. | ||
| He just predicted it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what's happening. | ||
| It does feel like maybe we're in different, like, spots of the lie con about your predictions. | ||
| Like, he's like, ah, no, no, no, that was my old grift. | ||
| Like, maybe, Alex, we see him in ten years on somebody else's show, like, ah, I don't predict shit anymore. | ||
| I used to lie about, you know, like, where are we in this grift? | ||
| This guy probably isn't. | ||
| Saying that it was a lie, that it was some kind of a psychic prediction. | ||
| Maybe it felt like it to him then, but he got lucky, really, if you think about it. | ||
| I would see it that way. | ||
| He's not disowning necessarily the fact that he did say this and it came true, just that there's any meaning to it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's a coincidence. | ||
| Not a lie. | ||
| No. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, did he get paid for it? | ||
| He made the national news. | ||
| So, there we go. | ||
| So, look, there's another problem that Alex has. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| If this all happened in the past, why isn't the devil in a cage? | ||
| Ooh, that's a good question. | ||
| Satan was destroyed as he said he would do when he came. | ||
| That's why he came. | ||
| That's through his death. | ||
| He overcame. | ||
| The devil. | ||
| Okay, when was the devil in a cage for a thousand years for people to look at him and say, that's the guy that did all this? | ||
| Okay, first of all, you're going to Revelation 20, and you're taking the, quote, literalistic 999 years plus one. | ||
| But you just did a literalistic thing, too. | ||
| See, it's all circular, just circles and circles. | ||
| No, it isn't. | ||
| No, it isn't. | ||
| We're both doing it. | ||
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I'm not. | |
| That's why. | ||
| I can't do anything. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| It's almost like we're both walking in mud. | ||
| I mean, it is a little bit like you guys are so close to stumbling on that you're arguing about imaginary nonsense, and it's very silly. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We just keep going back and forth because there's no way to settle this argument based upon made-up nonsense from thousands of years ago. | ||
| I would say I don't want to believe in either of these people's ideas. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| That said... | ||
| Forced to choose between the two. | ||
| And we grade on a curve, because this is Alex. | ||
| You know, we're listening to Infowars. | ||
| And so, you know Alex, and you know all the shit that he believes in. | ||
| So, this person comes off looking pretty good, just based on not being a wild liar. | ||
| I'm liking his passports idea. | ||
| Well, again, Paul, not John. | ||
| Okay, that's fair. | ||
| Ringo, also somewhere. | ||
| Okay, alright, alright. | ||
| So, there's all things being equal. | ||
| I'll take a world where there isn't a devil running around as opposed to one where there is. | ||
| And so already John's idea in his world is far more appealing to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems bizarre to want to hold on to the idea that there is a devil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But unless you need it. | ||
| It does seem like something he needs that he absolutely could never be able to process. | ||
| He can't understand, no, no, I don't want the devil. | ||
| And it's like, no, you do. | ||
| You do. | ||
| But you can't process that. | ||
| He just can't understand it. | ||
| And he just can't deal with the idea that the devil's dead. | ||
| I want to back up just a second on this whole Satan issue. | ||
| It's not what I'm saying, it's what the scriptures teach us. | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| Many good, God-fearing Christians don't have a clue what the Bible says. | ||
| Okay, where's the devil right now? | ||
| You're talking to one. | ||
| Hebrews 2.14. | ||
| For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also, Christ, likewise, took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. | ||
| Did he fail or did he succeed? | ||
| But you talk about looking at... | ||
| Did he fail or did he succeed? | ||
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Whoa. | |
| That's a nice lawyer tactic, Mr. Anderson. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Is this an immigration hearing for the heaven country? | ||
| What's happening right now? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| That's before the courts of heaven, though. | ||
| We've got years before the courts of heaven shows up. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I wonder if they're integrated. | ||
| Those courts are part of the embassy of heaven. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Well, the courts have to notarize all of the documentation to get into heaven. | ||
| These are not notarized documents. | ||
| There have to be a notary... | ||
| Not public. | ||
| Divine. | ||
| Notary divine. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| I know what you're searching for. | ||
| This is great. | ||
| Alex has no rebuttal to this. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Because it is, okay, you know, scripture tells us that Satan will be defeated by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. | ||
| Did he fail? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Answer that question. | ||
| He's introduced the thing into a religious argument that you just can't do, which is a yes or no question. | ||
| An up-down question. | ||
| Especially one like that where it's like, well, no matter what you answer, you're screwed. | ||
| You can't maintain your position and answer that question. | ||
| There's just no way. | ||
| Ah, fun. | ||
| Yeah, the only way to answer that question is to not answer the question. | ||
| Now, it's bizarre that, I mean, at this point in his career, it's so weird that Alex just does this. | ||
| He doesn't hang up on them. | ||
| He doesn't end the interview. | ||
| He just gets kind of... | ||
| Petty and child, like, a little, like, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, lawyer trick or something. | ||
| And I think that there is a desire that he has to be seen as strong in these settings to his listeners. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But this looks very weak. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He doesn't come off like somebody who can defend his position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He reminds me, I mean, this is fairly early on. | ||
| Like, this reminds me a little bit of those early debate bros on, like, The Twitch platforms or whatever. | ||
| The debate bros who would go in there with a freshman-level philosophy audit to their name and just try and argue with people about religion for a while. | ||
| And it didn't matter if they're... | ||
| Obviously, stupid arguments look stupid. | ||
| They just clowned on them. | ||
| Or stand-ups who were pretty early on wanting to tangle with hecklers or something. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| There's a desire to appear above or having stood up to something. | ||
| Comedian destroys heckler. | ||
| But there isn't... | ||
| In order to... | ||
| Counter the things that this guy believes. | ||
| You need to, first of all, understand what he believes. | ||
| And then second, you're going to need to unpack this entire idea of heaven being a country. | ||
| And you don't want to do that. | ||
| Because it's way too complicated. | ||
| Your audience is going to... | ||
| You're going to lose some of them. | ||
| And you're going to reveal that those are the sorts of people you're going to take seriously on your show. | ||
| And that kind of, I don't know, demeans the entire show. | ||
| Yeah, and I think he learns that. | ||
| If you're interviewing and taking seriously a guy who calls himself Paul Revere and is the head of the Embassy of Heaven and sells fraudulent documents to people like passports, you kind of can't take yourself that seriously. | ||
| And you would need to reveal that in order to actually have the conversation that Alex is wanting to have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, he's just stuck, and because of that, he just has John Anderson asking him these trap questions that he can't get out of. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's great! | ||
| That's why later on he's like, I'm not doing that anymore. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| Yeah, I will hang up on you if you challenge me. | ||
| So weirdly, later on, as the Tea Party grew, Paul Revere would come back up as somebody who worked for FEMA. | ||
| Paul Revere worked for FEMA? | ||
| He was like a pastor that was recruited by FEMA in order to get them to preach Romans 13 to everybody, which mysteriously isn't in his backstory here. | ||
| And I would have to assume, based on his lack of any documents, his clearly fraud church, I don't think FEMA's gonna be... | ||
| Recruiting him into any kind of pastor initiative. | ||
| I'm interested to know about a conversation that happened. | ||
| What meeting room did it happen where they're like, man, we cannot find anybody to preach the correct interpretation of Romans 13 in our FEMA camps. | ||
| Nobody will do it! | ||
| There's nobody that we can get to preach. | ||
| Romans 13 as a means of submitting to the FEMA camps. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| So we need Paul Revere, a guy who's made his entire career preaching the opposite of it and selling people fake passports. | ||
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Yep. | |
| One passport if you want to enter by land. | ||
| Two passports if you want to enter by sea. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alex doesn't get to the news. | ||
| Gotta let you go and I'm sorry. | ||
| We've got loaded phones. | ||
| No more time for calls. | ||
| Again, this is a news program, and I just think it's very important to address this because... | ||
| The Romans 13 is clear, and I agree with our guest on that, that it's been twisted and that's big news. | ||
| That is big news. | ||
| Big news. | ||
| So we have all those stories that Alex didn't cover because everyone wants him to talk about Arnold. | ||
| And then he spends like over an hour talking with these dudes because the real big news apparently is that Romans 13 has been twisted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, that is a curveball. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But there's one thing that's important to remember. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| And again, folks, whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not, this is not a religious show. | ||
| I'm a Christian. | ||
| I make no secret of that. | ||
| But the point is, this affects you. | ||
| This is not a religious show. | ||
| This is not a religious show. | ||
| Now, we're going to spend over an hour talking to a weirdo pastor who calls himself Paul Revere and believes he's the head of the Embassy of Heaven. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not a religious show. | ||
| This is a show that... | ||
| Touches on religious topics, okay, from time to time, and has transformed a mythology of the United States into its own smaller version of Christianity itself, thus making my belief in the country a religion, along with my belief in the state is a religion, along with my belief in this house being a religion. | ||
| Like, he's a religious man. | ||
| Well, this is not a religious show. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But... | ||
| We will spend over an hour discussing religious stuff in a desperate attempt for me to cling to my belief in the devil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Worth it. | ||
| Worth it. | ||
| And Dan, here's what you don't understand. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| This affects you. | ||
| It made me laugh. | ||
| It affected me in some ways. | ||
| It did affect you. | ||
| In the literal definition of the word. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think it was a nice reprieve, as it were, from present-day bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, this felt good. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit of... | ||
| Maybe that shoulder's feeling a little looser now, Jordan. | ||
| It's a little bit better. | ||
| I feel like I just got some icy hot on there just doing it right. | ||
| It's a therapeutic effect of schadenfreude. | ||
| That sounds about right. | ||
| So, if you are watching Alex's trial and you're thinking that he's on to something, Remember that his career is meaningless, and this is the sort of bullshit that he does. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back. | ||
| Probably check back in on the present day on Monday, perhaps. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It is knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am Wilford Snibblesnabble of the Gribble Pibble. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |