Knowledge Fight #717 dissects Alex Jones’ August 2022 episode, where he falsely claims COVID vaccines cause record deaths, mocks Patricia Carvalhos’ vaccine tweet, and baselessly accuses the FBI of planting pipe bombs on January 6th—despite recent Whitmer case convictions. He pivots to Trump’s alleged WEF/Epstein ties, ignoring debunked claims like Russo’s Rockefeller conspiracy, while promoting a misrepresented book ban. The hosts expose his selective editing and audience manipulation, revealing Jones’ extremist flexibility: loyal to Trump only when convenient, primed to shift toward figures like DeSantis or MTG if they align with his fringe narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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She's an art teacher at a school that shall not be named.
And, yeah, so...
The amount of nonsense that is immediately out the gate, you know, like, there's only two art teachers, and one of them now has 50 kids in her class, and rather than hire a different art teacher, the administrative staff hired three more admin people.
She slept better than I think I've seen her sleep in a long time and not like that, you know, I slept 12 hours kind of sleep, but that healthy, I'm waking up on a good time and I'm happy and I'm doing a good job.
It was beautiful to watch, and it just filled me with so much joy.
So, yeah, that's my bright spot, is that we have left that horrible place where she was happy and come back to Chicago, where she can be abused by everybody once more.
And I decided that what we should do is focus on the thing that I think most people were talking about, maybe the highest profile piece of information, and that was that last week, on Wednesday, Alex turned on Trump.
Now, Jordan, I want to address one thing really quick, and that is that there is a widespread perception that I took a week off because you were out of town.
We are now inside the operational phase of global cultural and economic societal collapse and the mass forced depopulation that has already begun according to all major insurance actuaries.
The only place he ever pulls vaccine data from is VAERS because it's a place where all reports of any side effects that anyone experiences after getting vaccinated are reported regardless of whether or not the vaccine caused the side effect.
Up to August 10th, 2022, there had been 606 million doses administered and 15,930 reports of people dying after getting the vaccine that had been entered into VAERS.
That doesn't mean that almost 16,000 people died because of the vaccine, but even if it did, that represents.0026% of vaccinations.
The CDC has identified nine deaths that they can causally link to a vaccine for COVID.
And those aren't even the mRNA ones.
Those are people who got the Johnson& Johnson shot.
So none of this makes any sense.
This is stupid.
But Alex wants to be very extreme about the vaccine.
And I got that sense pretty immediately.
And I think that there's a good reason.
I think you'll see as this goes on why this needs to be heightened and made as severe as possible.
So if this is true and Alex supported Trump when Operation Warp Speed was happening because a need to keep Trump in office...
then he was lying to his audience.
Alex was super clear that he had like these really high-level back-channel intelligence sources that were telling him that Trump was supporting the vaccine to set a trap for the globalists, and so he could force their hand to reopen the economy.
Alex has also said that Trump got tricked into supporting the vaccine development, but he's never said that it was a purely partisan political consideration on his own part to That's fucked up.
Also, COVID happened after Hillary had lost the 2016 election, so I have no idea why she's coming up here.
It's pretty insane to think that Alex could have acted the way he did and excused all the shit that he's completely philosophically against just because of a desire to keep Trump in office, who I should remind you is the person who is doing all the stuff Alex is philosophically against.
He supported vaccines and boosters.
He didn't get Alex and the weirdos back on social media.
He didn't lock up Hillary.
He didn't build a wall and kick out all the immigrants.
He didn't free Julian Assange.
All of this stuff should be fundamentally disqualifying for Alex, and yet he turned a blind eye because he didn't want a Democrat to win the presidency.
But for me, personally, I would feel shame if I was telling you that, by the way, when I said all of that stuff, I was betraying all of my principles for no reason other than that people made me feel like I should because I opposed them.
I don't want to sound too mean, but this is pathetic.
Alex rejected the opportunity to stand up for all of his principles because he saw a possibility that someone who he kind of knew might be able to hang on to power.
This isn't the sort of thing a person who Alex pretends to be would do.
It's what a coward does.
And guess what?
It didn't matter.
Biden still won the 2020 election, and here we are.
Alex sold himself out for a presidential election, something his past self would never let him get away with.
It is funny to go back and think about all of those positive comments from Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi about how he was ahead of his time and he's sticking to his guns and that's why people didn't like him.
It was because he refused to be a part of the two-party system.
And then to hear him say, you know...
Uh, I'm thoroughly a part of the two-party system.
The Santa is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good.
And I don't just watch a man's actions, as Christ said, judge a tree by his fruits.
I can also look in his eyes on HD video and I see the real sincerity of a father and a husband who loves his children in this country and that he's getting red-pilled more and more each day.
And then he's white-pilled about the future if we stand up.
I think Alex may have some problems with DeSantis that he doesn't expect to come up because he doesn't really know much about him except for the shit he talks.
But I think some of the positions that he holds could end up being a problem for Alex, too.
It's fun, though, that he has a shiny new aspiring fascist to cheerlead for, but that light is only going to dim over time as DeSantis fails to live up to Alex's comically extremist expectations.
But also, this is just a bummer.
Alex can just support no one.
That's what he's supposed to be.
The guy who isn't backing any individual because he's too busy rooting out corruption on both sides of the aisle.
Having a candidate you're supporting kind of makes your whole watchdog thing seem a little false, and it's really a repudiation of his entire character.
And I put Ron Paul on the side because he was a perennial loser.
If I were Alex, I would have gone back to Rand Paul, or I would have just abandoned Trump without choosing a new hero.
I have a strong sense of why Alex is doing the thing this way, and we'll get into this over the course of the episode, but it's just so sad to see him go from a guy who's like, I'm above it all, to being like, I'm gonna hedge my bets with a different GOP candidate.
And I think he didn't tap into that much for his entire career, because as much as you can cheerlead for Ron Paul during the early parts of the GOP primary where he's involved, that kind of dies down, and then you've just got to talk shit about all the candidates.
But now, it's, you gotta, you know, in the same way that people started talking about the midterms after the general election, you know, Alex is just jumping the gun.
And I feel like if you're one of the people who wrote an infinite number of Alex Jones finally turned on Trump stories, if you're talking about that, then you're talking about the 2024 election, of which there's no reason to speak of.
I wish I had some names, but I did see a couple articles that did a good job of pointing out, maybe not in the lead of the story, but in the body of the article.
He has done this a bunch of times when he has been seeking attention.
There have been some people who have called out that Alex does this a bit, but that definitely was not the prevailing attitude on social media and a number of other media places.
That's all Trump needs to do is say, I was lied to by Birx and Fauci, and they were holding the country hostage, and I thought it was a regular vaccine, and it turns out, you know, they shouldn't be pushing it on children.
They shouldn't be making people take it.
He's already saying that.
But he's to come out all the way and say, I was lied to, and decouple his pig-headed butt that I still love.
If Trump doesn't come out against these shots, and if he doesn't stop, stand with the children.
If he doesn't go on the offense to admit there's major problems, then I'm really caught between a rock and a hard place because I don't want Kamala Harris or Michael Obama or any of those people.
I know you don't, but I cannot support Trump when the evidence is out that it's killing all these people and maiming others if he continues So, yeah, here's what's going on.
As we're going to experience throughout the course of this episode, Alex is torn between supporting Trump and DeSantis.
There are pros and cons with both.
With DeSantis, he's got a lot of policy positions that the audience wants to hear, and most importantly, he's been a strong opponent of vaccines, or at least that's the way he's allowed himself to be portrayed.
On the flip side, DeSantis is not going to give Alex the opportunity to pretend to be his friend.
He's an actual politician who knows better than to make that kind of an association.
Another thing I want to point out here is that Ron Flipkowski, this Twitter account, posted a 40-second clip of Alex saying that he was supporting DeSantis, which, as I was preparing this episode, had over 2,500 retweets and had been watched by almost 900,000 people.
This clip is inaccurate, and it's actually manipulatively edited in order to present an image that Ron wants to convey, as opposed to what's actually being said by Alex in his episode.
His clip entirely omits the part where Alex is clearly saying that if Trump would just stop that shit with the vaccines, then there wouldn't be a problem, and I think that's a major component of what Alex is saying here.
It would be one thing if this was actually a straight up episode where Alex is like, I'm done with Trump, let's just go with DeSantis.
So accounts like this farm attention in social media clout by posting things that their audience wants to hear.
This Ron fella knows that there's a pretty solidly Democratic voter base that follow him, and it would give them a sense of schadenfreude to hear that Trump had lost his most zealous and rabid supporter, and so this is the clip that's provided, and it pays off really well.
Actually, conveying what Alex was saying wouldn't be as emotionally appealing to the people who he's hoping will retweet this because it's complicated and as much as it pains me to say this, it makes sense.
Alex has actually pretended to turn on Trump in far more extreme ways in the past, and this isn't even really an act of abandonment It's very clear that this serves two possible purposes Get Trump to be anti-vax so the ship can be steady Or create a paper trail that Alex can use as a rationale to fully detach from Trump later when he needs to Like, I gave him the shot!
I feel like the story that I'm missing from all of these people is shame.
I would like more shame for how many times I've seen Ron Filipkowski embedded in a fucking Guardian article, or in the Rolling Stone, or whomever is embedding him.
I really resent people who act like this Twitter account do because it's essentially doing the same thing that Alex does.
If you just say Alex chose DeSantis over Trump or make implications that the rats are leaving a sinking ship, that's essentially the equivalent of Alex skimming a headline and then each party here just makes the narrative up that they want to attach to the headline based on what they want the headline to mean.
I don't want to belabor the point, but there's a reason I'm stressing this.
We're going to get to it here.
So...
A little bit after this episode, a couple days later, Alex put out a video that's supposed to be an emergency message to Trump explaining that he was just trying to get his attention and get him to ditch the vaccines.
This is completely in line with the message that Alex was putting out on his show on Wednesday, but it is not in line with the narrative that Ron was selling on Twitter, in the video that almost a million people watched.
And so, when Alex puts out his emergency message...
This video is kind of an opportunity for Ron to incorporate it with the narrative that he's constructed.
He posted a 35-second clip from the video with this text.
Quote, Getting some blowback after he announced Thursday, it was Wednesday, that he was backing DeSantis over Trump now, Alex Jones issues an emergency message to Trump saying he was simply trying to persuade him to change his position on the vaccines with some tough love.
It very well may be that Alex got some blowback from the audience, but I'd be surprised if it was very severe or if it would even matter at all in changing Alex's mind.
If you gauge the temperature of his audience from user comments on his website and callers, they aren't really that opposed to moving past Trump, and DeSantis is a really appealing option for the extreme right wing.
Making that pivot would likely only cost Alex's proximity to power and probably a couple guests might stop coming on and Roger, that might get iffy.
So I don't know how that would play out, but I don't know if that's a bridge that Alex can't afford to burn.
Roger's already on Mike Lindell's network.
It's not like they're intimately entwined anymore.
But the larger picture here is that that tweet is acting like what Alex is saying in that emergency video that he put out a couple days later is incongruent with the message that he was putting out on his show, and that's not true.
And this is a huge problem.
And in order to explain why, I need to...
So this is my emergency message to you, Mr. President.
If people got the impression that Alex was abandoning Trump and they took him up on that challenge of listening to the 30 minutes, the first 30 minutes of this show from Wednesday...
They would come away from that with the conclusion that the clip they were shown on Twitter actually was out of context, and it didn't capture what Alex is saying.
The only real problem I have with what Alex is saying there is that Ron Flipkowski is not the corporate media.
The danger in this is that Alex always says that he's being taken out of context, and he basically never is.
Ron actually is taking Alex out of context, and he's running a very serious risk of giving people a reason to increase their level of trust in Alex and decrease their trust in critical voices of the extreme right.
He is being taken out of context here, so who's to say if he's actually being taken in context about all that Sandy Hook stuff, you know?
By playing Alex's game, you've exposed people to Alex in a way that if they look into these clips any deeper, they'll come away with the conclusion that Alex is right and that Ron took him out of context.
And this isn't a small deal, either.
These videos get hundreds of thousands of views on Twitter and spread all over the place.
As you've already mentioned, many news outlets don't have the resources to hunt down these video clips, so you'll often see them repost clips from his account.
And by proxy, they're taking Alex out of context.
It's dangerous.
And more of note, it's a pretty predictable system you could game if you wanted to if you're Alex.
Now, there's a second thing I need to point out, and that this is a short clip Ron is taking from this emergency video.
It's approximately five minutes into the video that Alex put out.
The video does involve Alex restating that he's trying to play hardball to get Trump to go anti-vax, basically pulling the, I'm really leaving this time, type threat.
So framing this video as being Alex backpedaling only serves to strengthen the original out-of-context framing that was crafted by Ron's original tweet.
In essence, he's putting out information that just lives in a false reality that he's designed for his audience, whether intentionally or not.
It's one that he probably thinks is benign, like this reality and information thing, but it's a bad idea.
Even if you accept that this series of poorly contextualized clips are being put out as the result of an honest, innocent mistake, the information model that's being used for this Twitter account is not good.
It's one that plays directly into the games that the people he's covering use, and they have a responsibility to do better.
Because there is a massive audience that is viewing this content, and as you pointed out, it's something that's being used as a resource for larger media.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't know.
I have a really tough time with it because I see this stuff come up all the time.
I see these clips all the time from his account being...
No, one of my favorite things about the media, whatever that may be, you know, the corporate media, blah, blah, blah, is that they, after Trump was elected, they took stock of themselves.
They realized that they, too, played a part in destroying the America that we used to know and electing Trump.
I'm not risking my life and going through hell to sit here and then have it on my conscience all these dead and dying children and others that are taking your stupid, evil, warp speed crap that you got fooled and roped into.
I just had my fourth dose after recovering three months.
Listen to that again.
I just had my fourth dose after recovering...
Three months from actively having COVID-19.
No, you have the spike protein poisoning you, sweetheart.
Read it again.
I've just had my fourth dose after recovering from three months of actively having COVID-19.
Now listen to Stockholm Syndrome.
Listen to the mind control.
And I'm very happy to be boosted.
Thanks, science.
So she murders Logic here, doesn't see what's being done to her, and then has the cult statement of, thanks science, like she's just trumped everybody.
Can you imagine, like, an actual news outlet doing any kind of coverage of, like, ah, someone tweeted that they got vaccinated and they didn't get COVID and had no side effects?
And including the part where he has a misogynist comment about her.
Hey, listen, sweetheart.
Like, that's somebody writing in the New York Times in the 20s like, oh, this lovely young woman walking through the street said, I got a vaccine yesterday for polio, and this sweetheart is looking good.
That was the fun thing about listening to Dave and Gareth on the show, is as they were reacting to it, I got reminded of the first episode we did, especially when the prayer happened, and they were like, ah!
And I was like, this doesn't even faze us anymore.
She's in the hospital room and the pimp comes in and she says to the pimp right in front of the poor woman's mother, in front of the sex slave's mother, baby, she says to the pimp, I'm going to get better.
I'm going to get back up on my feet.
I'm going to get back down the street, baby.
Please don't.
Oh, baby.
And they start interviewing the pimp and they go, well, how do you treat her?
He goes, I treat her bad.
That's how she likes it.
Well, how much do you pay her?
I pay her nothing.
I might give her a bucket of chicken.
And that's the American people, and that's the left, and that's the people who signed up for this mind control, this Stockholm Syndrome.
She's had four shots.
She's been sick for months after the first few shots, and now she's gotten another shot and thinks COVID's taken her life over, but this shot was 100% effective, they said.
But the shot gives you the disease.
But she can't help it.
She can't admit she was lied to.
She can't admit the system's out to get her.
Just like that poor prostitute with broken arm and leg and cigarette burns all over her, her hair falling out.
You can tell she's been a beautiful woman.
And in comes the swaggering, arrogant devil right in front of the mother.
Baby, baby, I'm sorry.
I'm so let you down.
I'm going to get back on the street right now as soon as I get better.
This is unfortunate bullshit for Alex to be spreading because on August 23rd, the day we're recording this episode, the final two defendants in the Whitmer kidnapping case were found guilty by a jury of conspiracy to kidnap.
Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr. are definitely going to jail, and their defense tried to use the entrapment argument, which was unsuccessful.
This was their second trial after the first one in April resulted in a hung jury.
Alex is citing that in this episode, unaware that a few days later they'd be convicted.
Two other accused conspirators were acquitted, and two others pled guilty.
So honestly, it doesn't seem like this whole thing fell apart at all.
But, uh, maybe it's a big deal, but not in the way Alex is making it.
Alex doesn't know the basics of the story he's covering, but he's made up something he can work with and then juxtapose it with that tweet, which I guess is a dunk for him.
I'd be fine with considering that a conflict of interest if we also considered Obama appointing, like, Geithner as Treasury Secretary a conflict of interest.
And they themselves should be really bummed out about everything that they think, personally, if they are not capable, for one instant, of applying these criticisms retroactively to Trump from the very start.
You know, like, oh, I don't know why he's being pig-headed.
Maybe he just doesn't listen to people.
Well, go back.
Go back in time.
Let's go back to that earlier time period when we were all so young.
So here's something that's slightly positive about Trump.
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Trump at this time is working to boost the primary candidates because he has this massive following.
And which would also help DeSantis, whether he runs as VP or runs as president, because it's going to help create an America First agenda no matter what.
And like you said, essentially child smuggling happening.
On a federal level, MVM Inc., the same company that was already caught shipping migrants in the middle of the night to New York City, they signed a federal contract with Joe Biden's administration back in 2021 for $136 million.
So I want people to understand that the biggest and most sinister angle of this story is that we are passing off innocent children to unvetted, improperly identified adults via our taxpayer dollars.
So this is a rare instance where Savannah Hernandez is not covering a completely false story.
It's just that it's not a new story.
The Daily Beast reported on the Biden administration having contracts with MVM Inc.
for transporting immigrants back in May 2021.
Savannah's report doesn't cover anything that's not already pretty well established as public information, but she does present it as coming from a secret whistleblower who has to appear with their face blurred out, so it's big stuff.
Right, right, right.
Conversely, the Daily Beast actually did some reporting on the story because, spoiler alert, this was actually a follow-up article to the one that they wrote in June 2018 about the same stuff.
Alex and Savannah probably don't want to think about that, though, because that was during the Trump times, and back then, this MVM had a $162 million contract with the government compared to the $136 million contract they have under Biden.
The actual story here is that their contract was lowered from this higher amount that Trump paid them, but don't worry about that.
Anyway, the story is pretty fucked up, or kind of fucked up, I don't know.
MVM was a CIA contractor who provided security for CIA and NSA installations in Iraq.
They may have some logistics background, so they very well may be capable of helping transport migrants, but their company's history does not inspire much confidence.
That said, the claims that people like Savannah are making here about a child smuggling operation are probably legally actionable defamation.
Is finding the leaders and giving them the platform to launch from.
I literally had a vision 25 years ago sitting in Waterloo House, eating a chicken fried steak and drinking iced tea by myself.
And I saw the future.
And the message was, you are to build a platform to launch the generation of leaders to fight the new world order at the critical point they try to take over.
That really happened?
I told you for decades that happened, and now you're witnessing it.
If this is the next crop of Patriots, they're untethered from the things that made the Patriot community what it was in the 90s, which is what Alex grew out of.
They are, if anything, a withering vine on that tree.
Well, actually, that's not entirely true.
It's just something that'll be supplanted or grafted easily onto...
I think if, and I'm going to throw this out at you, should the FBI have raided, let's say, any previous president that wasn't named Trump or even Biden right now, it would be a very big deal to Alex Jones.
Catherine in Michigan was bringing up, trying to put our new book coming out next week.
The Great Reset and the War for the World in libraries and the response she got.
So finish your story.
I appreciate you calling, Catherine.
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Hi, Alex Jones.
Thanks for holding me over.
So I went to the library and went up to the librarian's desk and asked if there's a form that I could fill out to order the book.
And they didn't have any form.
She handed me a little ripped up piece of paper, like a piece of printer paper, and said, write the name of the book and the author, and we'll send it to our central library headquarters or whatever it is, and we'll request them to order the book.
So I turned in the slip of paper.
I thought, I'll never see that piece of paper again.
And lo and behold, I checked the library's database.
And they obliged me.
They ordered one copy of The Great Reset and The War for the World, and it's on order right now and being sent to the district library.
Libraries don't even have the resources for forms.
They're just tearing printer paper up, and they're still working for me, despite the fact that I went in there with a clearly confrontational attitude.
And man, he's really allowing a lot of that stuff that he kept behind that gate about Trump to come out.
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I'm just going over the things that Trump...
What he did while being president and campaigning, like the campaign of Trump was completely different than the President Trump campaign promises were lock her up, you know, build a wall, all these three-word phrases.
But once he gets in, he pardons the five megabanks for rampant fraud and corruption, Citigroup, JPMorgan, Barclays, UBS, and Deutsche Bank.
Deutsche Bank, he owed, reported like $300 million to.
He openly talks about her sexual fantasies with Ivanka on like the Howard Stern show and Oprah or Good Morning America or whatever, saying that if she wasn't his daughter, he'd be married to her.
He has the Epstein connections.
He was introduced to Melania through Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein, Roy Cohn and Alan Dershowitz.
Where his lawyers, Alan Dershowitz, is part of the Epstein thing, Roy Cohn.
And the idea of his debts and how beholden he may be to certain entities.
These are not things that Alex...
Would accept as reality.
He'd fight back on these things.
The gate is down.
And I think that that matters somewhat.
Because the Overton window of conversation on his show seems to be a little bit more open to these things that are critical of Trump based on the reality of Trump as opposed to the image of Trump that Alex has wanted to maintain all this time.
Stuff you would hand wave away with just like, he's not perfect.
That kind of thing.
You know, like, let's not be specific about anything.
That is heavily predicated on the idea that Aaron Russo became friends with a guy who was part of the Rockefeller family and he told him all these secrets.
And what Alex refuses to recognize is that the guy that Aaron Russo was friends with wasn't related to the Rockefellers.
He's just a guy whose last name was Rockefeller and might have been pulling some shit on him or so.
So that's a great documentary that came out, I guess, 18 years ago, and Alex has still not made a correction on that.
It's like how Sam Raimi didn't apologize for Spider-Man 3. You know, like, you should have really said something before you got to do Multiverse of Madness.
All right, Bob Halk joins us, ladies and gentlemen.
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I don't think there's any way that I can look at it and say that anyone is responsible for it other than that Ron Flipkowski Twitter account.
The clip that was widely disseminated, that got over a million views, that was all over the place, reposted a ton, was from that Twitter account that created the conversation, and it was not accurate.
It created a false perception of what Alex was saying on his show, and maybe that only matters to me.
And maybe it should only matter to me because I'm the person who watches this shit.
When you see all of the polls about how people don't trust the, quote, mainstream media, every time they report on that, they're like, look at how bad the media, or look at how bad the electorate has been bamboozled, without ever acknowledging that...
Fucking, you know what?
There's a reason people don't fucking trust you, you know?
And maybe it's not as bad as the reason that you shouldn't trust a lot of people, but just because it's not as bad doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It doesn't matter, because if Trump and DeSantis run in 2024, God knows what's going to be different.
Every year has been crazier than the last, and shit has gone wilder and wilder, so predicting what's going to happen in two years seems like an idiot's game.
And if you think for a single second, if you think for a single second that regardless of whatever legitimate criticisms these people are having towards Trump right now, if you think that when Trump becomes the nominee, they won't immediately forget all of those criticisms and get bogged down in like a, well, we can't have Kamala Harris, any of that shit.