#707: Dan's War
Today, Dan and Jordan break down the documentary that pretends to tell the story of Alex's life and career, and find a whole lot of serious problems along the way.
July 29, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
02:35:20
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| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around in a hotel room far away from Celine, worshipping from afar and talking about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
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Jordan! | |
| Jordan! | ||
| Quick question. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| How do you feel about your desk? | ||
| Because mine's broken. | ||
| Oh, in your hotel room? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Did you break it? | ||
| No, I did not. | ||
| Walked in there broken. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm proud of myself. | ||
| First time I've ever seen something broken before I touched it. | ||
| Yeah, I don't buy it. | ||
| First time ever. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But what's your bright spot for today, Dan? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is the good people at Noribar. | ||
| Out in Louisville, Kentucky. | ||
| Louisville, as some people pronounce it. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| If you're ever out there, the best karaoke bar that side of the Mississippi. | ||
| The heroes of the day, I swear to God. | ||
| You don't even know. | ||
| Yeah, so to fill everyone in, we had even more technical problems. | ||
| We were going to put out an episode yesterday. | ||
| We totally meant to go Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, because we had some fun stuff to talk about, but could not get it done. | ||
| No. | ||
| Really fucked up. | ||
| It was looking good. | ||
| For a minute. | ||
| And then it all just fell apart. | ||
| I mean, it is apropos to call this a war because we did win a lot of battles. | ||
| We lost some battles, but we did win some battles. | ||
| There were some times where we were so close. | ||
| It's debatable if we actually won those battles or if we just had the appearance and feeling that we had won those battles. | ||
| Well, I mean, we didn't overthrow Charleston. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| The war ended with peace. | ||
| Hope sprung eternal. | ||
| But... | ||
| Zach, the proprietor of Noribar, is a friend of our buddy here in Austin, the Not-A-Health Ranger, John, and he helped us out, hooked it up, and now we've got our equipment all set up, and I'm not touching it. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We are about... | ||
| I honestly think we should move a little bit further away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you have to be able to read, but I could be in the other room, frankly. | ||
| I'm really worried that there's going to be some kind of electromagnetic field that I give off that curses... | ||
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Oh, shit! | |
| The Ocean's Eleven crew is outside! | ||
| They're putting out an EMP! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, if you are in Louisville, I've pronounced it three ways now. | ||
| Yeah, that's the correct number of ways to pronounce it. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| Go do some karaoke at Nori Bar. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| Boy, you know, there's no bright spot brighter than finally getting to do this show, Dan. | ||
| Man. | ||
| We have recorded almost several shows. | ||
| Yeah, pretty close. | ||
| And it has been a little bit like edging. | ||
| But, like, if edging was with knives, you know? | ||
| Like, it really, really hurts. | ||
| And now to be here talking to you, spectacular. | ||
| And knowing that we have a thing in front of us. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So, Jordan! | ||
| Jordan, today, here's the old sitch that we find ourselves in. | ||
| Quite honestly, I forgot to get wonk shoutouts, and I think I'm not going to. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| No offense. | ||
| We have been jumping through a lot of hurdles. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it's almost midnight. | ||
| You don't even want to know what time it is, and you don't want to know when we end. | ||
| You don't want to have any idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| Keep that shit far away from you, and let me deal with it. | ||
| Let's pretend. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, we are going to be talking about... | ||
| Alex's War, the new documentary that has come out, comes out today. | ||
| What? | ||
| How did you possibly see it, Dan? | ||
| Some people have accused me of being a witch, and let's just say that. | ||
| Did you search into your crystal ball and watch it from a distance? | ||
| God gave me a vision of this documentary when I was four. | ||
| Well, it turns out you're actually close friends with Glenn Greenwald, and you were there at the screening, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's correct. | ||
| I'm helping him support Bolsonaro's regime. | ||
| Yes, that sounds correct. | ||
| I managed to do some watching of this thing, and I got some thoughts on this bad boy. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| It comes out today. | ||
| Accurate? | ||
| 100%, I assume. | ||
| Well, here's my first thought. | ||
| What? | ||
| Too long. | ||
| It's two hours and eleven minutes. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Good movie, ninety minutes max. | ||
| Trim that baby up. | ||
| Max. | ||
| Especially if you're doing a theatrical release. | ||
| You expect people to sit and watch Alex for that long? | ||
| Well, let me tell you this right now, Dan. | ||
| When I was in the courtroom today... | ||
| People watched Alex's show for a full hour. | ||
| How did you think they did? | ||
| I was watching the stream of that, and they did. | ||
| I mean, I think your tweet about one of the jurors who was writing notes, and then in the middle of it just sat down the pad. | ||
| When I saw him, he was right there. | ||
| I looked over his shoulder. | ||
| When I saw him writing so diligently, he really cared. | ||
| And then at one moment, you could see him stop. | ||
| And you were like, yep, we've all gotten there. | ||
| He realized, like, I don't need to. | ||
| Pay attention to this. | ||
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Nope. | |
| This doesn't mean anything. | ||
| We're done here. | ||
| So, this is going to be something. | ||
| And I will say, actually, interestingly, I even out of context dropped from this documentary, and I actually think that Alex sums up some of my feelings about this documentary fairly well. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Which I'm just ranting. | ||
| The whole thing's horse shit. | ||
| It's all just insane. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's pretty close to my feelings. | ||
| I think you are a witch. | ||
| He's just ranting. | ||
| It's all horseshit. | ||
| Is that a deep fake? | ||
| Shallow fake. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, like I said, this thing is too long, and there's a lot of problems. | ||
| But in advance of this documentary coming out, Jordan, I wanted to bring this up. | ||
| There have been some people who have maybe shown a few too many of their cards in discussing this documentary. | ||
| Some of these cards have been a little difficult to interpret, but they were shown all the same. | ||
| You have Glenn Greenwald, who agreed to do an embarrassing Q&A event at the premiere of this film, where he interviewed Alex as a promotional event for the movie. | ||
| We're going to cover that Q&A on our next episode, so I'll leave some of my more specific thoughts on the side for a moment. | ||
| And then you had Matt Taibbi, who posted a I honestly don't know his full argument, because apparently the full thing is behind a paywall and he can fuck right off with that, but you get the point just from the free version. | ||
| This is one of the more particularly pathetic passages in that quote in the pre Trump era, it was understood reporters weren't supposed to avoid ugly or scary topics. | ||
| We were supposed to dive right in and in the nonjudgmental manner of doctors figure them out. | ||
| That was the job. | ||
| But somewhere along the line, it became too taboo to ask the usual why questions about the likes of Trump or 4chan surfers or the subject of Moyer's new movie, Alex's War, the infamous InfoWars host, Alex. | ||
| I'm going to have to stop you right there. | ||
| I threw a brick through his window while you were reading that. | ||
| It is a little frustrating. | ||
| After scolding people who aren't engaging enough with monsters, Taibbi ends his free section with this. | ||
| Quote, Journalists now aren't supposed to look too closely at their motivations, and most don't. | ||
| Wearing in curiosity like a badge of honor, Moyer looked. | ||
| Referring to Alex Lee Moyer, the director of this documentary. | ||
| I read Taibbi's book like 20 years ago where it was like the octopus capitalism or whatever bullshit he was writing then. | ||
| And I was like, man, this guy's got some thoughts. | ||
| And much like Glenn Greenwald, he shit himself in his mouth. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Having watched this documentary, I can tell you that if Taibbi isn't getting paid to write that, he either hasn't seen this film or he's one of the stupidest assholes on Substack, and that is a deep roster of stupid assholes. | ||
| We'll see through this exploration that this is not a documentary that asks why at any point, and to the extent that it's even a concern, the why is entirely constructed by the subject of the film, Alex himself. | ||
| When you have somebody who's a huge liar, and the reason he's divisive is because he's a hateful liar who lies all the time, it's kind of irresponsible to produce a documentary about them that skirts the issue almost entirely, and if it's even addressed at all, it would just be Alex saying, I'm not a liar, which is then taken as fact. | ||
| There are no dissenting voices. | ||
| There is no other side presented at all outside of random people on the street yelling at Alex and short snippets of TV hosts making fun of him, which actually aren't included to provide any sense of balance. | ||
| They're there to inflate the image of Alex's noble persecution. | ||
| This documentary sucks. | ||
| I will say that right off the top here, and I make no bones about it. | ||
| I'm not trying to pretend. | ||
| To be a Taibian neutral observer. | ||
| Here's what we need to do. | ||
| We need to bottle you up for another future. | ||
| Like, before our next episode, we need to make it impossible for you to record anything so that all of your fury and passion and rage goes into writing about Matt Taibbi's bullshit. | ||
| Man, you are a fucking dynamo, my friend. | ||
| I don't want to go that direction. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But this, Alex Jones, is a subject that I know and understand intimately. | ||
| And seeing it covered like this and witnessing these supposed free thinkers like Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald congratulate themselves for having the courage to support this film is disgusting. | ||
| Seeing them scold people for not engaging with what is pure and simple and exercise in whitewashing and rehabilitating the image of Alex strategically released at the time of his success. | ||
| is an inexcusable act of either malice or intense delusion. | ||
| I can accept that it's possible that they think this film presents a fair and nuanced picture of Alex, and then maybe they aren't acting out of a place of severely ill will, but I have to say if that's the case, then they're guilty of the very thing they're scolding everybody else about, not engaging with difficult subjects. | ||
| The only way to think that this documentary can be experienced as just showing Alex as he is would be if you have done zero investigation on him and simply accept the framing that's put in front of you unquestioningly. | ||
| Having spent more than my fair share of time researching the topic, I can say with absolute confidence that Greenwald and Taibbi and anybody else who's not a full-on info warrior or right-wing zealot who says that this documentary shows a complicated and fair picture of Alex They're a coward who's afraid to look at Alex as he actually is, or they've been tricked. | ||
| Fuck these people who are trying to rehabilitate Alex's image and make fawning portraits of him more mainstream, using whatever credibility they have in some perverted exercise of like, oh, you guys just can't handle dealing with this person who you're afraid of, or he's saying things that are dangerous to your worldview. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| I've done 700 episodes on this clown. | ||
| Let it be known that this will go down as one of the most righteously furious weeks of any human beings in the history of the world. | ||
| Between you, me, Mark, etc. | ||
| This shit is... | ||
| How are we in this room? | ||
| Did you hear that the fire department was called earlier today? | ||
| Oh, I was taking a nap, and I was woken up by them saying everyone can come back in the building. | ||
| Everyone can come back into their rooms! | ||
| I was in my room the whole time! | ||
| And I was like, you know what? | ||
| This is because I'm too mad! | ||
| See, if I were Alex, I would say that it was Alex and the Info Warriors trying to smoke us out of the building so they can attack us. | ||
| Like he said about Chantilly, Virginia, when he was staying at that hotel outside Bilderberg, and he pretended that he was under attack. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Dan, I'm going to self... | ||
| Say to myself, neighbors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also want to say that that incident where Alex pretended that the globalists were trying to attack him and Chantilly, not in this documentary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to make a lot of points of things that aren't in here. | ||
| That would be smart. | ||
| Also, the time that he went bullhorn Bilderberg in Canada. | ||
| Nope, not in there. | ||
| Did they play the... | ||
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No. | |
| What? | ||
| No guitar or no violin. | ||
| What's the fucking point? | ||
| I know. | ||
| So anyway, here is the beginning of the film. | ||
| Hello, I'm Alex Jones and I'm a radio and television host based in Austin, Texas. | ||
| And for many years I've been exposing the criminal activities of the global elite, also known as the New World Order. | ||
| My research has covered such topics as the militarization of police, the attack on America's national sovereignty, the destruction of private property rights, the family. | ||
| All of these institutions must be destroyed before the establishment can create their ultimate dream, a one-world government. | ||
| So this documentary begins with a clip that was originally the intro for Alex's film, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove. | ||
| It's kind of fitting, because although Alex probably shot to prominence mostly through his 9-11 conspiracy activity, one of his earliest publicity stunts that he pulled was the whole charade of Bohemian Grove. | ||
| And what is this documentary, Alex's War, but another publicity stunt? | ||
| There's a thematic resonance that may not have been intended that is made by putting this clip at the start of this documentary. | ||
| It links Alex's bullshit from his early career to the bullshit he's in the middle of trying to pass off and sell you as you watch this documentary. | ||
| In the same way that he intentionally lied about the circumstances of his trip to the Grove in order to manufacture a false reality that affirmed his worldview, this documentary is literally nothing other than Alex Lee Moyer allowing Alex to use her to do that again. | ||
| Present a wholly dishonest portrait that creates a false reality wherein Alex's idiotic worldview is affirmed and shown to have been right all along. | ||
| Based on literally everything in this documentary, I can very confidently say that this is not what Moyer was going for. | ||
| But it's interesting if you want to overanalyze it like a lit major. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, no, I can definitely see the, what would you call it? | ||
| Like the incidental irony of the circumstance wherein, you know, if you were making one movie, you could play this clip. | ||
| But if you were making a movie about that movie, you would play that clip and then play like a cut over it where it's like, boom! | ||
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Wrong! | |
| You know, like that kind of thing. | ||
| And then the rest of your movie would begin. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There may be a couple moments in this film that kind of have that feeling to it. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You didn't mean this, but there's an accidental thing here that's being coming across. | ||
| It's a VH1 behind the music, right? | ||
| A little bit like... | ||
| Worse. | ||
| You watch the documentary about a cheap trick, you know? | ||
| And it's like, oh, it's so cool that they're alive. | ||
| And then you watch behind the music, and it's like, they did a lot of drugs, and they're all dead. | ||
| You know, it's like that kind of feeling. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, I'm so sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then things took a turn. | ||
| Took a turn. | ||
| So the documentary itself starts with some glamour shots, basically, of Owen Troyer at the Stop the Steal rallies in November in D.C. And some people are yelling at him and what have you. | ||
| It's a good time. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| For a million man march, Mago This is the same opening to Swan Lake. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Yeah, so the doc begins with a bunch of shots of Owen dramatically yelling into a bullhorn while surrounded by a ton of security, many of whom are the same folks that we've been seeing in the courtroom. | ||
| Interspersed are shots of people yelling at the Trump fans, more or less meant to signify the threat of Antifa, I guess to justify the ridiculous amount of bodyguards every Infowars person has when they're in public. | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| Also, this is where the film introduces its framing device. | ||
| The film begins with footage from DC from the Stop the Steal protests that happened in November 2020, which you may recall is the endpoint of Owen's stupid caravan. | ||
| This is presented as 72 days until the election. | ||
| Which will be how all of this is understood The documentary is, I'm sorry, not 72 Days Till the Election, the inauguration. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| This documentary is a countdown to the point when Biden is set to be sworn in with the flashbacks to points of Alex's career thrown in in order to, I guess, pad the runtime or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was the name of our caravan? | ||
| Dance caravan project. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah, let's just make sure that's in there. | ||
| Parts one and two. | ||
| Before we get any further, it goes without saying that there are huge chunks of Alex's career that are completely ignored by this film. | ||
| For instance, there's no mention of his highly disgraceful Boston bombing coverage. | ||
| There's nothing about Jade Helm. | ||
| There's nothing about Y2K. | ||
| These things and countless others aren't included because if they were mentioned, it would detract from the illusion that this film is trying to construct. | ||
| Times that Alex was wrong, like about Sandy Hook, are meant to be seen as the rare occasions when he's meant well but got something wrong. | ||
| Looking at the broader picture of Alex's career would too easily reveal a different pattern, which really doesn't serve Moyer or this documentary's purpose. | ||
| Through this, you see lies that Alex is presenting, and they are being delivered by Moyer with literally no pushback and no other perspective being presented at all. | ||
| At other points, there are instances of full-on deceitful framing that is entirely the product of how Moyer decided to edit this film. | ||
| There are intentional choices that could have been made by the director or could not have as they were making the film. | ||
| It was up to them. | ||
| I'm going to do my best to be sure to delineate the differences between these types of deception because it's important to recognize how this product is actually a lie that Moyer and Alex are collaborating on creating. | ||
| Whether or not there's actually complicit discussions. | ||
| Regardless of whether or not Alex and Moyer get into a room together and Alex is like, hey, make me look like I've got a giant dick. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Yeah, they're creating that through both of their mediums. | ||
| Alex through lying and Moyer through directing. | ||
| Selectively editing and such, yes. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Alex is just doing what he always does. | ||
| He's a narcissistic liar, so what would you expect him to do other than to lie to create a heroic mythology about himself? | ||
| Moyer, on the other hand, is pretending to be a documentarian, and almost everything in this film is a lie that she's telling through framing, or a lie that she's letting Alex tell, and choosing to present without any question or any suggestion even of any doubt. | ||
| She is in essence responsible for all of the dishonesty in this documentary, either through intentional choices or negligent filmmaking. | ||
| And I think that will be borne out through the process of a process. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So I'm hearing that maybe, all right, she is not a good cat. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't know all that much about her, other than she's been on InfoWars a bit. | ||
| She made that, or a couple times, just about her documentaries. | ||
| It's funny on this show that that should alone by itself be like, oh, well then this lady is a monster! | ||
| And we're like, well, we gotta find some other credits to prove she's bad. | ||
| Yeah, she made that incel documentary. | ||
| Oh yes, she's great! | ||
| She was there at the Greenwald Q&A. | ||
| Hung her head, looking at her lap most of Alex's interview. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| Anyway, Owen goes on to complain a little bit. | ||
| Just dramatically. | ||
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I don't know how far you are. | |
| I had been here since the fake pandemic. | ||
| And it's sad. | ||
| I come back to D.C. Everything's shut down. | ||
| Everything's locked down. | ||
| Businesses are boarded up. | ||
| You can't even go get breakfast. | ||
| You can't even go get dinner. | ||
| You can't even go shopping. | ||
| You gotta wear a face mask. | ||
| You gotta get a test. | ||
| You gotta go into quarantine. | ||
| And it's given me a real taste of what a communist country would look like. | ||
| And it fucking sucks. | ||
| So I don't want the Democrats to turn America into a communist hellhole. | ||
| Hey, thank you, police. | ||
| We love you guys. | ||
| What Owen doesn't want is a country where his access to luxury and leisure commodities is in any way restricted. | ||
| He has essentially translated that into being what communism is, so when there's a temporary shutdown of some businesses because there's an active pandemic that's killing thousands of people a day, Owen's only way of experiencing that is to say, bah, it's communism. | ||
| He can't go to the water park, so America has fallen to Mao or something. | ||
| Which is weird, because I kind of had the opposite experience. | ||
| Most of the liquor stores didn't deliver booze until after the pandemic, so now I feel like, you know, there were some positives. | ||
| I'm not saying there were no positives. | ||
| Well, you gotta take the rough with the smooth, as they say. | ||
| Thank God for small miracles. | ||
| So it's important to understand that a lot of the understanding that Alex and the Infor's ideology has of concepts like communism or freedom are painfully superficial. | ||
| And they often revolve around appearances. | ||
| For instance, Alex constantly talks about the police state being like police in black ski masks, which is an aesthetic characteristic. | ||
| He doesn't, you know, talk as frequently about what behaviors would be associated with a police state, like police determining law and acting with impunity to mete out justice, because that would be way too complicated, and when it actually does happen, he's generally in favor of it. | ||
| He doesn't usually have a problem. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, constitutional sheriffs by maritime law are allowed to kill and execute anybody who disagrees with... | ||
| Yeah, no, no, that makes... | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| If you think... | ||
| Real not soft about it. | ||
| If you think real soft about it... | ||
| The optics that Owen is describing could easily exist in a capitalist country. | ||
| There is nothing that would be stopping that. | ||
| At the core, the point that's being made is, I don't like the bad and scary thing, and then they're just naming that thing communism, or in Alex's case, martial law. | ||
| The words have no meaning. | ||
| They're basically just signifiers for like, ah, no! | ||
| They could just be pointing at a sign that had... | ||
| Whatever on it. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| No good. | ||
| But again, I think it's pretty bold of this documentary to start out with Owen complaining a bunch. | ||
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Sure! | |
| And it continues. | ||
| But I do think it's sad that the violent left gets to come to D.C. and riot and loot and burn and destroy. | ||
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It's destroying monuments, destroy parks and churches. | |
| And then when we come to town, a group of people who have never burned, never looted, never rioted, never done any criminal activity, they shut down the Smash cut January 6th. | ||
| The capital has fallen. | ||
| Pretty pathetic in D.C., I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's talking about, like, the left-destroying churches, and, like, right around this point, I believe, is when his buddy Enrique Tarrio is stealing a Black Lives Matter banner from a church and burning it and getting arrested. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that one. | ||
| So it should be mentioned here that about a thousand Proud Boys are pictured in this documentary with Infowars personalities. | ||
| It's wall-to-wall. | ||
| In the first ten minutes alone, Owen is seen with the head of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, and Rob Dew has a chat with the head of the Oath Keepers, Stuart Rose. | ||
| You know, The Wire had a lot of former convicts in the show, you know, because that gave it a sense of realism. | ||
| It's interesting that this documentary has a lot of future convicts in the show. | ||
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True. | |
| And not presented as dicey weirdos. | ||
| So these two men, Enrique Tarrio and Stuart Rhodes, are leaders of groups who participated in organized planning prior to January 6th and stand charged with seditious conspiracy for their actions attempting to stop the certification of the 2020 election. | ||
| I don't think any left-wing group Owen can name has done anything close to that level of rioting, and the leaders of both of those groups are his friends. | ||
| Yeah, that's gonna be tough to argue around. | ||
| Calm the fuck down. | ||
| These groups do all kinds of street violence and destruction, but that's super inconvenient for the Infowars narrative, so it's never happened before. | ||
| Anytime a right-wing or militia group has done something, it's either been purely self-defense against the left, who are actually the real problem. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Or it was secretly the feds. | ||
| Reality has to be constructed this way because if you don't do this, then you'd have to distance yourself from these groups and marginalize the violent wing of the movement that you've constructed. | ||
| Alex would never do that because he needs these groups. | ||
| He needs them to continue to engage in street violence and hostile intimidation, and they need folks like him and Owen to justify it to their audience. | ||
| And this is only considering the groups that are literally in this documentary and friends of the subjects. | ||
| You could branch this out to all sorts of far more militant right-wing groups from the Patriot Front on up and down the line. | ||
| And you'd wind up with the picture that the right has a substantially greater problem with organized rioting and violent outbursts than any leftist community or the specter of Antifa could ever be saddled with. | ||
| Well, what you're forgetting is the absolutely violent leftist group that came about whenever Crayola put the peach crayon as skin tone. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| And they're called Crantifa. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Krantifa. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| I'm going to live with that one. | ||
| I'm going to call home. | ||
| My friends and family are going to know about that one. | ||
| To change the mood, I should tell you that there was a guy who was walking behind Owen at this point who was wearing a Trump flag as a cop. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| So that's fun. | ||
| God bless America. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this cuts to Owen being interviewed in a black cowboy hat in a hotel room. | ||
| I don't know about... | ||
| We live in a great world. | ||
| I don't know much about cowboy hat sizing. | ||
| But it feels too big. | ||
| It's a little too big? | ||
| It feels too big. | ||
| It's too big. | ||
| I'm not an expert. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I think it's too big. | ||
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Too big. | |
| Coming from a neutral perspective, you say, do you think government is corrupt? | ||
| Like, 90% of people are going to answer yes to that. | ||
| Do you think that mainstream media is corrupt? | ||
| Again, like, 90% of people are going to answer yes to that. | ||
| But, I mean, sadly, you can't convince people, I think, that what they see on TV is a lie. | ||
| Otherwise, Alex Jones would have retired a long time ago. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| No, no, no, he's good. | ||
| Who do you guys think about Alex Jones? | ||
| Let me, let me. | ||
| I tell you, the sleeping giant is awake! | ||
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We're not going on your lockdown too! | |
| We're not taking your vaccines! | ||
| And Bill Gates can burn in hell! | ||
| Alex wouldn't have retired. | ||
| He would have said that the new thing that replaced the mainstream media was lying to them. | ||
| If he'd gotten his wish in 2008 and Ron Paul had been elected president, he would have done his whole deep state thing back then, finding traitors everywhere in the Paul cabinet. | ||
| I suspect the reason Owen laughed when he said Alex would have retired long ago is because he knows that's not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You hear the music swelling there, and because... | ||
| This is the point in the documentary about seven minutes in where we see present day Alex for the first time. | ||
| This is a choice. | ||
| This is a hero shot, with the triumphant crescendo and Alex being flanked by tons of people marching in D.C. This is a decision that Moyer made as a director to introduce Alex this way. | ||
| It's almost like he has arrived. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| When the director was like, let's put Patton in front of this giant American flag, the director had no idea that that would make people think, oh, this is a patriotic man. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| Yeah, no clue! | ||
| That was just a happy accident. | ||
| Yeah, I would say not great for him. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| So this is Alex's second introduction. | ||
| The first was an intro to him as a concept with the clip of Alex from Dark Secrets. | ||
| This is meant to instill the message that he's been talking about the same thing for his whole career and he's been prophetic about all this stuff. | ||
| The second is an intro to him as a person as he exists now and you see him as a man vindicated. | ||
| Right, right, right, right, right. | ||
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I mean, it doesn't get more... | |
| How do you live with yourself is a question that I've been asking a lot. | ||
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Sure. | |
| As I've watched shitball make arguments in court. | ||
| That's the defense lawyer's nickname. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, forever now. | ||
| There's a certain part of me that wonders at how many times have I said there's no bottom? | ||
| How many times? | ||
| A few. | ||
| And yet I look at his brazenness and I think, there's no way that's real, you know? | ||
| And so with this kind of shit, it's such the same thing. | ||
| There's no way this is real. | ||
| We're living in fake town. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| It's fakeville. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also should say, and it's a good thing you brought up something that had to do with the trial, because we will have a trial update on our next episode. | ||
| Oh, don't worry. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| This documentary is of the... | ||
| The most, it's today. | ||
| We're in the zeitgeist. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, we have Owen introduced, talking. | ||
| We have Alex, triumphant man, leading a charge on the streets. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And then we get another character, and that is the man with the Kangol hat, Rob Dew. | ||
| Ooh, I was hoping for Aragorn. | ||
| Nobody has one job. | ||
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You have to be able to adapt very quickly to ever-changing situations. | |
| I answered a correct list, Ed. | ||
| That's how everybody gets into Aragorn. | ||
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I did an interview with a couple guys, and at one point, they said, "Uh, this is working for InfoWars. | |
| Does that make a difference?" They're, like, very kind of apologetic, and I said, "Oh, that's cool." And I'd already been listening. | ||
| I knew who Alex Jones was living in Austin, and you see him all the time. | ||
| You go out in the crowd. | ||
| Alex Jones was the most popular person here today. | ||
| He's the most popular. | ||
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People know who I am, and I'm fucking behind the scenes. | |
| And it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
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And now that they've banned him and done all this stuff to him, it makes him even more prophetic. | |
| Cut in court! | ||
| You know, you carry the ball four yards every day. | ||
| You're going to get moved down the field. | ||
| And that's what he does. | ||
| I think Alex probably does carry the ball about four yards every day, but the problem is that for a really long time, he's been not heading towards the end zone. | ||
| He's been going four yards toward the sideline, and then he changes directions every now and again. | ||
| He's been out of bounds for a really long time, is what I'm saying. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Rob's metaphor is stupid. | ||
| As is Rob Dew himself, shown here in his trademark Kangol hat. | ||
| He got this job through Craigslist, which is fun, but in my experience, most of the talent on InfoWars gets their job through winning a contest. | ||
| It's like Willy Wonka for bullshit. | ||
| I guess that the behind-the-scenes folks all just answered the wrong, vaguely-worded Craigslist ad that doesn't say InfoWars on it so you can trick people into possibly working there. | ||
| Because most people wouldn't do that. | ||
| But you know, my aunt was on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Have I ever said that before? | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| She didn't actually get to do the questioning part, but she did describe to me constantly the experience of answering Who Wants to Be a Millionaire questions as the audition, and then getting the audition, and then so on and so forth. | ||
| That was a more complex and difficult process than becoming an Infowars host. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Or the nightly news director. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, and one of the things that, I mean, is fun is that, like, Rob Dew got his job the same way I almost got scammed on a clerical opening. | ||
| And I answered an ad for a histology lab assistant position in 2009, and I'm still getting emails. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| No, well, Rob Dew sent me an email asking to be my roommate, but only if I sent him a couple thousand dollars because he needed money to move in with me, and he couldn't afford it at the time. | ||
| But when he got there, he would have paid me twice as much. | ||
| So, you know, I almost thought about it, but I don't think it was true. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
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| So here's where Alex comes in in earnest. | ||
| Speaking to the camera. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Laying out the truth. | ||
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know. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Everything's a war. | ||
| I mean, that's the way the universe works. | ||
| There are competing forces that are trying to dominate. | ||
| And everything is propaganda. | ||
| The general public doesn't realize they're under attack by information. | ||
| And so I want people to become aware of propaganda and how it operates in the InfoWars. | ||
| So we call ourselves really what it all is. | ||
| You guys know who he is? | ||
| You know Alex Jones's InfoWars? | ||
| Very popular. | ||
| Alex Jones is a fake. | ||
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And he's a performance artist. | |
| So this is as close as you get to any kind of counter point being made at all. | ||
| It's just these little slivers of TV hosts. | ||
| Also, I think it's really fun that Alex is like, hey, so look, there's war around information. | ||
| That's how he got our name. | ||
| Isn't that cute? | ||
| Everything's a war. | ||
| It reminds me of the home movies thing between Brendan and Coach McGurk where he's like, everything's a prison, Brendan. | ||
| Brendan, everything's a prison. | ||
| The school. | ||
| It's prison. | ||
| Our lives, it's prison. | ||
| Brendan's like, this conversation, it's prison. | ||
| My buddy Ryan Beck, he and I started comedy together in Columbia, and one of the things that I'll always remember is that I had a belief that all comedy is essentially an argument. | ||
| Or a fight? | ||
| Well, that's a good question. | ||
| I want to fight at you about that, which is funny. | ||
| So many good sketches kind of involve people having an argument. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In some ways. | ||
| And so I was trying to make this point to Ryan, and then we ended up in an argument. | ||
| And it's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He was furious about that. | ||
| It seems like all you have to do is show them the Monty Python dead bird sketch, and you're like, this is comedy. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And that is the only sketch that has ever existed. | ||
| Never existed the only one. | ||
| So these clips of TV hosts continue. | ||
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On his website, Infowars, he touts what many would say are offensive claims. | |
| Paranoia porn. | ||
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We're talking about somebody who traffics some of the sickest, most offensive types of theories. | |
| I'm perceived as a clown. | ||
| I'm perceived as a nut. | ||
| I'm perceived as a maniac. | ||
| Technocracy is dead on arrival! | ||
| I'm the most man, most humanized media person in the world. | ||
| I've had tens of thousands of articles written, hundreds and hundreds of TV reports, every major national program you could name, every major publication. | ||
| I don't feel sorry for myself being persecuted like this. | ||
| This is what happens when you get successful and you're over the target. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is... | ||
| A notion that is going on challenged, that all these people are making these criticisms of Alex because he's over the target, when in reality, most of those clips that he played were people making accurate points about him. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's just that notion of, like, you know, they laugh at you, and then you're right. | ||
| You know, is that Gandhi, that quote? | ||
| No, it's, oh, first they laugh at you, then they're like, watch out for this dude, and then they murder you or whatever. | ||
| Sometimes they just laugh at you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Your ideas aren't dangerous. | ||
| Sometimes people are saying that you suck and you're being an asshole, not because you're over the target, but because you suck and you're an asshole. | ||
| No, it's like when Alex is sarcastically saying something that somebody else has said that's absolutely accurate, where it's like, oh! | ||
| Alex Jones is a racist, and you're like, you can say it sarcastically, but it's still true. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't really affect my feeling on whether or not this is... | ||
| Objective reality must exist, otherwise we all die together. | ||
| Well, Alex has a thought on that. | ||
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Disagree. | |
| We're all gonna die. | ||
| So, this was maybe my favorite part of the documentary. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fairly early on, they show Alex behind the desk, and he's doing his show, and then it goes to commercial, and... | ||
| This is all staged. | ||
| No. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| This is so fake. | ||
| Rob New comes running in to discuss a breaking news story. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
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This is the fakest shit I've ever seen. | |
| Now, that's some of the good news. | ||
| I'm going to give you the really nasty news coming up. | ||
| The forced inoculations, the checkpoints, the imploded economy. | ||
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| What's that? | ||
| They also got some of their GMOs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's this? | ||
| Is this the mRNA vaccine that attacks proteins? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And it's the one by, it says it on the front, Pfizer. | |
| It's the Pfizer. | ||
| It's the Bio... | ||
| BioNTech, which I think is the mRNA. | ||
| Holy fucking shit. | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| So it attacks the protein from the placenta. | ||
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And it attacks the protein that helps make the placenta. | |
| These are motherfuckers. | ||
| These motherfuckers. | ||
| What's that, Lassie? | ||
| He's trapped in a well. | ||
| Well, we gotta go get him. | ||
| Oh my god, this mRNA. | ||
| You're telling me it attacks protein? | ||
| Holy fucking shit. | ||
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Oh man. | |
| Man. | ||
| Wow, Unsolved Mysteries is like, that is the greatest recreation anyone's ever done. | ||
| It's a fun fantasy. | ||
| I mean, even if it were real, it's not productive, and I don't see anything getting done, but there is no way I believe that this happens. | ||
| Do you know what I feel like? | ||
| I haven't watched his show as much as I have. | ||
| He is, like... | ||
| Drinking or sweating in another room during the breaks. | ||
| He's not doing any like, ooh, let's get more information on these stories I'm about to riff about. | ||
| I hate to bring this up because I don't have specifics and I don't remember names and I really don't even remember where it's from. | ||
| However, this documentary does exist and it is one where the documentarian gets really close with a bunch of people who committed a genocide and then later, over time, he gets so close that eventually the people who committed that genocide Agree to reenact the genocide they committed on film. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That is what this documentary should be. | ||
| Not like, have you ever considered genocide is awesome? | ||
| What about that? | ||
| Yeah, there are some editorial choices that I take some serious issues with. | ||
| But I do think that... | ||
| The vision of Rob Dew running in is so fucking funny. | ||
| Everyone is yelling at me. | ||
| They all know the name of that documentary. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I don't remember either. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So I take some issue with this. | ||
| Alex starts discussing his earlier years now. | ||
| This is the portrait of a man. | ||
| And he brings up some of his reading history. | ||
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Right. | |
| James Joyce. | ||
| And I think that this is actually fairly accurate at the end. | ||
| History is just the river. | ||
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Where we jumped in before. | |
| And so now, once you know that history, you recognize where you are way down the river where you're at. | ||
| Deep. | ||
| I've been in Austin since high school. | ||
| I was born in a small town outside Dallas. | ||
| Probably died in a small town. | ||
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Nice. | |
| My parents were race readers. | ||
| They were books everywhere. | ||
| Reading comic books or science fiction books, which I first started out on at like six, seven, eight years old, was fun. | ||
| But as soon as I was reading Julius Caesar, it was like, this is real. | ||
| Like, this is what I want to know about. | ||
| What did Julius Caesar read? | ||
| And so then I started reading all the history books around my house. | ||
| It was everything from Plato to Nishi to Zbigniew Brzezinski. | ||
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All four of them. | |
| I didn't even know what it all meant, but I just couldn't quit looking at it. | ||
| He didn't know what it meant. | ||
| He just kept looking at it. | ||
| This is Alex's work process. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't think that there is a more real sort of explanation of Alex's information base than, I read science fiction and comic books, and I really loved them, and then I saw smarter books, and I stared at them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I couldn't understand them, so I skimmed them, and then I pretended this was, you know... | ||
| Reading. | ||
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Learning. | |
| Yeah, well, I mean, it is very similar to what I did. | ||
| I read the Sandman comics, and then I looked at hieroglyphics, and I was like, well, clearly I understand them now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I listened to that album by hieroglyphics, and I now know how to read them. | ||
| That wasn't a bad album. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| No, it wasn't bad. | ||
| Del the Funky Homo Sapien. | ||
| I mean, Del is 75% amazing. | ||
| I can't remember any of the other members. | ||
| Anyway, Alex had some more books that he read. | ||
| There's a theme here. | ||
| I got really stuck on World War II books, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Scherer, Heinz Hobel's Order of the Death Said. | ||
| I read the British Secret Wartime Report on the mind of Adolf Hitler. | ||
| I read that twice. | ||
| It was all about secret societies and Hitler trying to take them over and British intelligence. | ||
| And then I read Henry Kissinger, the writings of Mao Zedong, The Art of War, Time Life Encyclopedias on the Occult, or the Time Life Encyclopedias on the Wild Wall West. | ||
| I read them all cover to cover. | ||
| And then I found when I was about 12, None Dare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen. | ||
| And I'd already read all this other material, so I knew it was pretty much accurate. | ||
| So you may notice that Alex didn't really like books about World War II as much as he liked books about Nazis. | ||
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| He should probably think about that. | ||
| More importantly, he's very clear here that he read None Dare Call It Conspiracy at age 12, which he knew was accurate because he'd already read all this other material, which raises the question... | ||
| What other material? | ||
| He was a child, reading all these history books he didn't actually understand. | ||
| He was skimming shit, and then he read Nundare and decided this comported with his studied worldview, so it must be true. | ||
| I would suggest this is all bullshit, and the reality is that Nundare resonated with Alex because he was brought up in an insane John Birch Society household, and the book matched up with what his dad had taught him was true when he was much younger. | ||
| Another important point to bring up here is that Alex is saying that he read that book at 12, And he definitely didn't read Carol Quigley's Tragedy and Hope before that point, which is why he approaches Quigley's book solely through the lens that he internalized from None Dare Call It Conspiracy. | ||
| He'd already consumed the John Birch Society propaganda prior to seeing the actual book and I strongly suspect that he's never actually even read Tragedy and Hope. | ||
| It's really long. | ||
| It's long. | ||
| We've talked about it extensively and that's longer than the amount of time he's attempted to read it. | ||
| I do believe that he's read compulsively about Nazis. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| In that clip, if you'll notice, the only person that he's read, the only author whose work he's read, who has not been party to or actively committed a genocide, was none dare call it a crime. | ||
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I mean, I think that... | |
| Gary Allen was pretty in support of apartheid. | ||
| I mean, he was, but he didn't have the power to do it. | ||
| Kissinger did a genocide. | ||
| Mao, genocide. | ||
| Hitler, a genocide. | ||
| Gary Allen tried to maintain the Rhodesian government's rule. | ||
| That's true, but nobody was like, let's make him an international sex symbol for no reason. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I'll give you that much. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| So, Alex, he just read these books. | ||
| He got this world... | ||
| Expanding thing when he was younger. | ||
| And thankfully, he had a lot of people in his life who helped him peek behind the curtains. | ||
| My parents had a lot of interesting friends. | ||
| My mom's brother was involved in a bunch of clandestine stuff down in Central and South America after Vietnam. | ||
| And he would come sometimes to visit and tell them stories. | ||
| I'd be sitting there at the dinner table. | ||
| I actually think that is true. | ||
| I think his uncle was... | ||
| No, I don't think you're wrong. | ||
| That's what is funny about it. | ||
| And my mom then had friends that were out from San Francisco that were involved in psychedelic research, and they would come talk about what the government was doing there, heard some of those stories. | ||
| MKUltra. | ||
| My dad had friends that were in the John Birch Society, so there was a background noise of them about the one-world government and the cashless society and the plan to break up the family and all this. | ||
| I mean, basically, I just grew up seeing a lot of stuff that was behind the scenes. | ||
| You could refute this clip by confronting Alex with his own words or with other pieces of information that are publicly available. | ||
| For instance, you could say that Alex's dad didn't have a friend that was in the John Birch Society. | ||
| His dad had been a member himself since college and had given speeches at JBS events. | ||
| It wasn't background noise. | ||
| That was the operatic score of his childhood. | ||
| Or you could bring up various versions of this stuff that he's told on his show over the years. | ||
| Like, was his dad actually a CIA dentist? | ||
| What about the part where his dad was the smartest boy in Texas and the globalists tried to recruit him into their depopulation conspiracy when he was 18? | ||
| These aren't things that Alex is bringing up in this documentary because this is a forum where he's kind of wanting to be taken seriously and not sound like a guy who's just making shit up all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he knows that there's a chance that people who don't already like him will listen or watch it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bad idea to just go and say, you know, my dad had all of these books from the John Bircher Society and also John Williams wrote the Imperial March for the John Birch Society. | ||
| And I read all these science fiction books that I've sort of blurred with those John Birch Society books and I've just turned it all into... | ||
| I bet Heinlein wasn't a fascist. | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb and say Heinlein was super cool, right? | ||
| Some people would say. | ||
| Yeah, well, you're not wrong. | ||
| So Alex gets further into his life, his younger life, and there's just straight-up problems with this telling. | ||
| Where I grew up outside Dallas was at that time the richest county in Texas. | ||
| A lot of the powerful evangelicals that were on national TV lived in Rockwall because a bunch of their networks were based in Dallas. | ||
| And so I would see like a famous preacher grabbing their cheesy Rolls Royces and stuff, you know, in the really big houses right on the lake. | ||
| You'd see them on their back porch drinking tequila, snorting cocaine off prostitutes' breasts. | ||
| And I'd be sitting there with binoculars when I'm like 12 years old watching that. | ||
| We would go to different parties. | ||
| You'd see the police pull up off duty, but in their uniform and come in and sell people drugs. | ||
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| Alex tells that story all the fucking time. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's one of the very few stories about his younger years that he tells constantly in mainstream outlets because it allows him to present himself as somebody who is sniffing out corruption from the youngest of ages. | ||
| Here's the thing, though. | ||
| On his show, he tells stories about these super rich people all worshipping the devil and them trying to lure him to join them in Satanism by offering him sex with their daughters. | ||
| There was a real serious devil worshipping problem in Rockwall that Alex was on the wrong side of, and they wanted to recruit him desperately because Satan had communicated to them that Alex was going to be very important for God's plans in the future. | ||
| We know this from Alex's telling of his youth, and this raises an important question. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Did Alex tell the documentary crew this? | ||
| If he didn't, then it's safe to assume that he was self-censoring because he knew that if he said that shit, he would look like a lunatic. | ||
| But if he did say that stuff and Moyer decided not to include it, that means that she's censoring her own subject to protect him from appearing to be as insane as he actually is. | ||
| I could see it going either way, but the fact that this aspect of Alex's self-mythology isn't addressed here is itself an act of censorship, obscuring the reality that Alex creates absurd fantasy stories about himself to satisfy his narcissism and amuse his audience and keep them impressed with his exploits. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| You have no awareness of Alex's story if you allow that to stand on question. | ||
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| It is somewhat of the central problem of our I think it does. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| It doesn't not resonate. | ||
| It's convoluted. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex tells some more stories about his younger days. | ||
| And these also hit very familiar themes that we've heard before. | ||
| Dallas was the kind of place where if you looked at somebody wrong, they'd jump out of their car and want to get in a fight. | ||
| And so it was definitely extremely violent. | ||
| Extremely violent. | ||
| I saw people shot, some people stabbed, some people beat over the head with shovels. | ||
| I saw huge car wrecks, drag racing, people on fire inside their cars. | ||
| You imagine like a James Dean movie, but 20 times that. | ||
| And so Dallas was crazy. | ||
| I'm a rebel without 20 causes. | ||
| My dad's not like a super macho guy, but he's old school. | ||
| He said, you better learn to kick some ass then. | ||
| I started, you know, becoming very aggressive and fighting back. | ||
| So then I kind of got proud of the fact that I was fighting. | ||
| I got put in juvenile quite a few times. | ||
| I was before judges because of the nature of the fight, people being in the hospital, people getting hurt really bad. | ||
| At a certain point, my dad said, we've got to move out of this. | ||
| We have to get out of this. | ||
| And those were good experiences because it taught me not to be a victim. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This characterization also doesn't match various versions of Alex's violent fighting years that we've heard from various sources, including Alex himself. | ||
| For one thing, Alex's story has always been that he uncovered a conspiracy, a secret drug dealing gang within the Rockwell Police Department, and because of that, the cops threatened to kill Alex if he didn't leave town. | ||
| This is why his dad moved them to Austin, according to his consistent telling of it in the past. | ||
| Why so different now? | ||
| Possibly because his other story is completely absurd and no one outside of his audience would ever believe it for a second. | ||
| Possibly because Alex knows that this documentary is meant to reach an unindoctrinated audience, and it would be bad for business if he scared them off with his normal bullshit. | ||
| Allowing that to stand unquestioned reveals that Moyer is not up to the job of making this documentary. | ||
| Either through negligence or bias, she's allowing Alex to contradict himself and not addressing it. | ||
| That's bad filmmaking, it's bad storytelling, and because the audience isn't made aware of this glaring credibility problem that Alex has, It's an act of sanitizing and presenting Alex in And it's dangerous, because the audience could be susceptible to that. | ||
| In Greenwald Q&A, Glenn was like, "Alex, Tell us about the time that you, as a 15-year-old, uncovered a drug-dealing ring within the police department of your hometown. | ||
| Tell us more about that. | ||
| Yeah, and why wasn't that in the documentary? | ||
| It's so odd it's not in the documentary. | ||
| One of the greatest stories I think I've ever heard. | ||
| Yeah, and it's part of your whole mythology about being a guy who's not afraid to stand up to power at a young age. | ||
| At a young age, you were a hero among men! | ||
| I've heard him talk about it in a way that's like, that's what turned him. | ||
| Put him on to the idea that power is corrupt and all this stuff. | ||
| And now he just left Rockwall because he got in a few fights? | ||
| What the fuck is going on here? | ||
| Also, Alex Lee Moyer probably should have asked Alex about all the people he claims to have killed. | ||
| Couldn't hurt to ask about how he constantly talks on air about how it was mostly black people attacking him when he was younger because he was white. | ||
| Any of this stuff would be super relevant to presenting Alex accurately because the awareness that he constantly lies about himself is very relevant to a documentary where the main source of information about Alex is Alex himself. | ||
| By not addressing his credibility problem in any way, Alex is allowed to be seen as a credible narrator, which is a choice that Moyer is making about how she directed the film. | ||
| Maybe she's lazy. | ||
| I'm surprised they didn't add the quote where Alex says that no black person has ever experienced racism from white people more than he has experienced racism from black people. | ||
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I'm surprised that didn't make it to the documentary. | |
| That one seems really foundational, you know? | ||
| Yeah, that is strange. | ||
| So anyway, we get these dissonant depictions of his younger years that basically seem like watered down versions of the stories he always tells that are kind of meant to trick people into thinking that he is not a complete bullshit artist. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe you can listen to him and it's not really as insane as people say it is. | ||
| Currently, this documentary feels like a massage for Ali. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's putting it delicately and mildly. | ||
| It's far more than that. | ||
| It's filthy. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| It's the first time I've been mild to you. | ||
| It's like a month at a hedonistic swingers resort. | ||
| Oh, do you mean... | ||
| Oh my god, now I'm fucking failing. | ||
| I'm failing you. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Moloch! | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Bohemian Grove? | ||
| Bohemian Grove. | ||
| Yeah, we'll get to that later. | ||
| Kill me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Alex goes to Georgia. | ||
| It's late. | ||
| Alex went down to Georgia because he was looking for an election to steal. | ||
| So, when he went to Georgia, apparently some stuff happened that wasn't on his regular show. | ||
| And one of the things that happened was he went to the Olympic rings statue. | ||
| And he decided to shoot a little video about it. | ||
| Figured it all out. | ||
| What if I told you that hiding in plain view in downtown Atlanta, Georgia, there is a giant Nazi symbol that wasn't just one of the main symbols of the Nazis, but it was also designed, hand-drawn, by Adolf Hitler. | ||
| Hitler absolutely did not design the Olympic rings. | ||
| They were designed in June 1914 by a French dude named Baron Pierre de Coubertin. | ||
| The reason that Alex is confused is because Lenny Riefenstahl made a documentary about the 1936 Olympics that involved going through Greece and making a prop that looked like an ancient object resembling the ring symbol. | ||
| In 1984, Robert Barney, a sports historian, found it and mistook it for an actual Olympic symbol, not knowing it was a Nazi propaganda film prop. | ||
| So, the association with the design and the Nazis is the product of one mistaken sports historian and a Nazi propaganda film. | ||
| I'm willing to bet that Alex got it from the latter. | ||
| Even so, he's kind of just making up the part about Hitler designing it. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
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I'm sorry, but if I told you Hitler and created the Olympic sign, would you agree? | |
| Also, I believe that that Olympic symbol is there because of the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics, and Alex thought that was a false flag. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, also, not in the documentary. | ||
| Oh, that's crazy! | ||
| Talking about the Atlanta bombing. | ||
| There's so much it seems like they left out of a relatively long fucking movie. | ||
| Too long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is my second favorite part of the documentary. | ||
| Alex finds a guy on the street. | ||
| Feels like you front-loaded it. | ||
| They might have. | ||
| So, Alex finds this guy on the street outside the Olympic rings. | ||
| And this guy is chill as hell. | ||
| He seems pretty cool. | ||
| And Alex tries to... | ||
| I don't know what point he's trying to make here. | ||
| Good, sir. | ||
| How you doing, man? | ||
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All right. | |
| What's going on up here? | ||
| Hitler designed that symbol. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| So we were asking folks, should it be torn down? | ||
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Oh, for real? | |
| Y 'all against Hitler? | ||
| I'm against Hitler. | ||
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Shit, hell yeah, it need to be torn down. | |
| Turn that shit down. | ||
| I'm against all racism. | ||
| I love all people. | ||
| I hear you, but now... | ||
| But we've taken that symbol, and now it's a symbol of world unity. | ||
| So maybe we've expropriated. | ||
| It's kind of like if a bad dude stole money and built a house, we don't burn the house down. | ||
| We just take it over. | ||
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Right. | |
| So why not just take it as our symbol? | ||
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Okay, and make it our symbol, right? | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| So y 'all want to keep it up? | ||
| Well, I'm saying if we're going to tear down everything old in America just because some people might have not been good, I'm just saying, why don't we tear this down? | ||
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Right. | |
| Which I don't want to do. | ||
| I mean, look, I don't like Hitler, but that's a pretty good symbol. | ||
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He was pretty good. | |
| It is. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I mean, you know, the VW symbol, he came up with that, the VW. | ||
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He invented the first Volkswagen. | |
| First highways. | ||
| But that, we don't blow the highways up. | ||
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Blow the highways up. | |
| Damn sure. | ||
| Still make both ways. | ||
| Adolf Hitler with a pen and ink created this symbol. | ||
| So, it's kind of hard to assess what Alex wants to say, but based on the words he's using, I think I get it. | ||
| He's arguing that Hitler designed this logo, but it doesn't stand for Nazism, so even though it has a bad history, it's now good, so we shouldn't tear it down. | ||
| This is actually him talking about the statues of Confederate generals that people wanted to take down, but he's making a convoluted point. | ||
| So here are the problems. | ||
| One... | ||
| He doesn't think the Confederacy was bad. | ||
| So the history of those statues isn't bad to Alex. | ||
| Two, in what way has something like a Confederate general statue become a symbol of something good, whereas in the past it was bad? | ||
| I don't know how, like, Bedford Forest has now become a symbol of something good. | ||
| Well, well, well, uh, burn sides. | ||
| Now we've got sideburns. | ||
| Is he a Confederate general? | ||
| No idea, but I'm going for it. | ||
| Okay, I don't know if he was. | ||
| I don't remember Ambrose Burnside, which side he was on. | ||
| Listen, I'm going for it. | ||
| Also, third problem, Hitler didn't design the Olympic Games. | ||
| That's really the big problem. | ||
| That's my favorite part of that clip is just the complete and perfect logic of the person responding to it, where it's like, oh, Hitler designed this flag? | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| Bad flag. | ||
| Let's get rid of it. | ||
| Oh, we've taken it back and now it's a good thing? | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| Let's keep it. | ||
| Oh, you don't want to keep it? | ||
| Man! | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Figure your shit out first. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Yeah, within 20 seconds, he's like, oh, shit. | ||
| You want to tear it down? | ||
| Yeah, let's tear it down. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Oh, wait, it's good now? | ||
| Right, let's keep it. | ||
| Yeah, you don't like it? | ||
| You also want to keep it? | ||
| Man, figure your shit out and then come back to me. | ||
| Yeah, that guy was fun. | ||
| Yeah, I love him. | ||
| So, Volkswagen was founded by the German Labor Front, which was a Nazi organization back in 1937. | ||
| The existing labor unions had been raided, their leaders killed, and they were taken over by Nazi groups, and the labor front began. | ||
| Hitler absolutely did not design the first Volkswagen cars, although he may have made some suggestions as to little design features. | ||
| I don't care if he designed the logo because, you know, he has that artistic past, and also, the original design is way different than it looks now. | ||
| It's notably missing the lines around it that look like a swastika. | ||
| Put on the swastika. | ||
| That would look good. | ||
| So it's hard to say if Hitler invented highways because I don't know what Alex means by highway. | ||
| Using some definitions, it's a really stupid claim that Alex is making. | ||
| Like, there were highways like the ones we understand that predate Nazi Germany, so that point doesn't stand. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I think Alex is just misunderstanding that Hitler was involved with the construction of the Autobahn. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Hitler created the Pony Express. | ||
| That's what you're missing. | ||
| Hitler invented mail. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Maybe Alex should have done a better job of reading all those Nazi books he loved as a kid. | ||
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Or maybe he should have done a worse job reading them. | |
| Sounds like some inaccurate Hitler trivia. | ||
| Whatever happened, he did the wrong job reading them. | ||
| So, Ali Alexander is here in Georgia. | ||
| Really going to take the swing of putting Ali Alexander in a movie purporting to be positive towards Ali. | ||
| You kind of have to, because he was a big part of Alex's trip to Georgia for the Stop the Steal stuff. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So, if you're going to include Georgia at all, Oh, it's going to be hard. | ||
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I'm the fool. | |
| I'm the fool. | ||
| So here's Ali. | ||
| Well, Ali Alexander, the national founder and coordinator of Stop the Steal Movement, is here with all over the country together fighting. | ||
| We've reached a critical juncture here in Georgia, but tell folks about what we're doing the next four days in a row at high noon. | ||
| So at high noon at the Georgia State Capitol, Alex Jones, myself, and other patriots are here, and we are marching, and we are telling the Secretary of State, stop. | ||
| Don't certify. | ||
| Oh, kind of like you did. | ||
| With J6. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop, don't certify. | ||
| I kind of want to smash cut to affidavits. | ||
| So while they're in the statehouse there in Georgia, somebody else who's along with Alex and Allie has an idea. | ||
| And that is essentially like, hey, we're already inside. | ||
| Let's just not leave. | ||
| Which is a sit-in. | ||
| An idea that has never been tried before in protest history. | ||
| It's a sit-in. | ||
| That's a form of... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They've invented it. | ||
| They've created it. | ||
| This is the first time this has ever happened. | ||
| It's a peaceful non-compliance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Here's what Ali has to say. | ||
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Alex, they survive... | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm not trying to... | ||
| They survive out here, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're inside. | ||
| Let's not leave. | ||
| We're not proud. | ||
| We're not the left. | ||
| We're not going to democratize ideas. | ||
| That's how we can stop the certification. | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| It's peaceful. | ||
| It's not a bad idea. | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| What? | ||
| Peaceful sitting. | ||
| That's what we'll call it. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| If the hillbillies make up all the ideas, then we're going to lose the country. | ||
| So put aside your pride. | ||
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Listen to me. | |
| We're going to stop the steal. | ||
| But first, we're going to stop the certification. | ||
| How are we going to do that? | ||
| Let's talk about it later. | ||
| It's good. | ||
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I'm just talking out loud with ideas, man. | |
| It's good, brother. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I'm not trying to upset anybody. | ||
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No. | |
| It's okay to have ideas. | ||
| Everybody's fine. | ||
| So this is fascinating for two reasons. | ||
| The first is that what Ali is saying is that you don't get a say in what the plan is. | ||
| He's the brains, and you hillbillies are the bodies. | ||
| This isn't the left. | ||
| There's no democratization of ideas. | ||
| It's a hierarchical system where Ali calls the shots and you follow. | ||
| That sucks, and I can't believe that didn't piss this guy off, and it's funny to watch Alex try to smooth things over. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know, it just doesn't get better than being like, if we let the hillbillies set the rules, we're going to lose the country. | ||
| I don't know if you know who your... | ||
| No, but that's... | ||
| Yeah, he's an elitist within that sort of milieu. | ||
| He thinks he's better than all of those people. | ||
| He looks down on the very people that he pretends he's supporting. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| My overalls are slightly cleaner. | ||
| Obviously, I am of higher status. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| Second thing, it's so weird how this documentary really tries not to point out that Nick Fuentes is right there with Alex and Ali. | ||
| No spotlight on the Holocaust denier buddy that you brought along to Georgia. | ||
| No shout-out for him. | ||
| That's another editorial choice that Moyer is making, because recognizing that Fuentes was traveling with Allie and Alex is way too much for this documentary to try and explain to a non-indoctrinated audience. | ||
| It's inconvenient to the portrait of Alex who's seeking to paint, and thus it's just ignored. | ||
| The little baby Nazi isn't there. | ||
| This isn't journalism. | ||
| It's PR. | ||
| Listen, you're being unfair. | ||
| Explain to me how they could fit that in in a 7,000-hour documentary. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Look, even Avengers had to cut some stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You do make a good point. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Because they needed to fit in important things like this from Georgia. | ||
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All right. | |
| Bucket list. | ||
| one more thing off the bucket list. | ||
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Oh, oh, oh, I just pissed on Ted Turner. | |
| He's got five kids but says you shouldn't be able to have any. | ||
| Yes, I just peed on it. | ||
| I peed on it. | ||
| He peed on the Georgia Guidestones. | ||
| I'll tell you what, Duke Phillips would not be happy with that. | ||
| Alex pissed on the Georgia Guidestones. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Alex's urine makes things explode. | ||
| It's corrosive? | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense. | ||
| There's a two-year delay. | ||
| There is a delay, but it does happen. | ||
| We don't have evidence that somebody else blew it up, but we do have evidence that Alex peed on it. | ||
| I believe there was that car that they saw. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But your point is fair. | ||
| Maybe someone else just ignited his... | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| His pee was an accelerant. | ||
| Somebody tried to smoke a cigarette a little bit too close, went up. | ||
| He had a big night the night before. | ||
| A lot of whiskey. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of whiskey. | ||
| So Alex reads from the side of one of the guidestones that this is in a foreign language. | ||
| And this probably isn't defensive. | ||
| I mean, it is. | ||
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Oh, what? | |
| To whom? | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't actually know who he's trying to offend. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's how good this is. | ||
| That's how good it is, yeah. | ||
| You ready? | ||
| You're right. | ||
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Kill me. | |
| I love you. | ||
| I'm bad. | ||
| Kill me, billionaire. | ||
| It's all yours. | ||
| Save the earth, Bill Gates. | ||
| Ted Turner, love you, Bill Gates. | ||
| Their plan is called the Great Reset. | ||
| Their manual of operations is Agenda 2030, a public UN plan in the name of world peace and stopping hunger that actually shuts down the world economy and will cause massive depopulation. | ||
| This is the most dangerous, dark, satanic ideology to ever be on the face of this planet, and it must be opposed. | ||
| So here's an interesting question that the documentary filmmaker could have asked. | ||
| Hey, you're saying this Agenda 2030 thing is the blueprint for how the globalists are going to kill everyone, but isn't that exactly what you said for the last 20 years about Agenda 21? | ||
| Is it possible that the whole thing was bullshit, and then in 2021, you know, Agenda 21 came around, you needed a new thing to pretend was the plan to kill everyone? | ||
| Inquiring minds, journalism, all of that. | ||
| Or, I mean, I guess you could just say, you know, you could let Alex say all this shit unquestioned, and then Agenda 21 never comes up. | ||
| That's certainly another option. | ||
| Yeah, well, I do feel like the director can get away with this, mainly because the first peoples that I think should be offended by Alex's impression are all Star Trek aliens, and then we get to regular human peoples, you know? | ||
| Like, there's a bunch of different alien races in Star Trek that would listen to that and be like... | ||
| This is unacceptable behavior. | ||
| We gotta get to Captain Kirk. | ||
| We gotta deal with this quick. | ||
| Because this is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what Alex was on there about, but... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| So, Alex gets into talking now about his early media days, and we're about to embark on another flashback, and here's some bullshit. | ||
| And it was very, very classical liberal, and by that, I didn't know if I was a Republican or Democrat, because there were things I liked about both parties. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Things I disliked, but the average real liberal knew about health food, and was anti-war, and was free speech, and seemed really informed and cool. | ||
| For a while, I went and had jobs. | ||
| I was dating a lot. | ||
| Out of high school, I wasn't really worried about doing media for a while. | ||
| I thought, maybe I'll do media because I want to be on air just to be able to talk. | ||
| Then I was watching AXS TV. | ||
| There were like rock and roll shows, a lot of Christian shows, a lot of old ladies doing exercise shows. | ||
| It was everything. | ||
| Like, we don't care what your speech is. | ||
| Then I saw all these local conspiracy theorists that were talking about the New World Order and world government. | ||
| Oh, that's what I'll do. | ||
| So some people might think it's shitty for you to bring up that abortions comment there. | ||
| I hope they don't, but I accept that as fair. | ||
| But here's what I would say to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't come up. | ||
| Alex doesn't bring it up. | ||
| And normally I would say, yeah, it's your personal business, whatever. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
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Right. | |
| But we know from listening to Alex that he's presented that as a pivotal moment in his life. | ||
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Yep. | |
| When he realized he needed to get his shit together and fight the globalists after his dad told him, stop killing my grandkids. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That should be a moment that is of impactful enough nature that it should come up in the retelling of his life based on the details that he's given here. | ||
| And it doesn't. | ||
| It's suspicious in its absence. | ||
| If you are going to argue to me that a man can tell the same story for 20 years about his origins, about abortion and shit, and then gets to go into a documentary and just omit that as though it never happened and that he doesn't have to deal with it... | ||
| Then we don't get to talk anymore. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex wasn't a classical liberal, and he didn't have a thing where he liked the left when he was younger. | ||
| No, he was Salieri. | ||
| He was a bircher at best. | ||
| And if he had any complaints about the right wing, it was that they weren't far right enough. | ||
| This documentary is allowing Alex to present himself this way unquestioned because it doesn't work for their purposes to treat him like an extreme right-wing ideologue from early on in life. | ||
| It's far more attractive to present him as someone who's kind of in the middle and liked all sorts of political ideas, but he was driven towards the right by the extreme fanatics on the left who are no longer free speech. | ||
| They don't like health food. | ||
| Above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| This is a decision that Moyer is making because she wants to make her subject more attractive to a non-exclusively Yeah. | ||
| And, I mean, look, here's the bottom line, too. | ||
| She has every right to do that. | ||
| If you want to make a documentary that is a puff piece, nonsense, bullshit, indoctrination, whitewashing and sanitization of Alex Jones, by all means, go ahead, but I'm not going to put up with it for a fucking second. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| He can do this, but to pretend that this is some kind of a middle of the road, I'm just letting him tell his story thing is nonsense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I agree with you. | ||
| But I also stipulate that she can do this in the world that we live in now, and not one that is good. | ||
| And while we don't need to argue about what the limits of good or bad are on speech or etc., I think we can both agree that this is bad! | ||
| So, the end, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see here another editorial choice that I think is really glaring, and that is the swelling music accompanying Alex's decision to get into covering conspiracy theories in the New World Order. | ||
| You can hear the feeling that's intended to be perlayed there. | ||
| The clouds are parting, and Alex sees his path. | ||
| That's not something that's being conveyed by Alex's words. | ||
| It's being stressed by the musical choices and directorial decisions that Moyer is making because that's how she wants the audience to see Alex. | ||
| There is a moment in A New Hope that I hope every single human being on this planet remembers where Luke Skywalker is on Tatooine and he looks at the two sun setting and the swelling John Williams music plays to a point that if you're not inspired by it, go f*** it. | ||
| Fuck yourself. | ||
| That is what she's trying to do here. | ||
| Alex is not Luke Skywalker. | ||
| Also, based on your misspeaking, I just thought of a socialist Star Wars character. | ||
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Luke Skywalker. | |
| Fair enough. | ||
| Somebody who else is a bit of a worker comes in now. | ||
| He's a former friend of Alex's. | ||
| I guess they're still friends, but he goes way back. | ||
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We are descendants from Davy Crockett. | |
| This is myself and my wife. | ||
| And if you go all the way over... | ||
| My fourth great-grandfather was Nathan Crockett, which is the brother of Davy Crockett. | ||
| And my fifth great-grandfather was the father of Davy Crockett. | ||
| Man, a lot of Davy Crockett. | ||
| So this is Mike Hansen. | ||
| He's one of the very few non-current InfoWars employees who's allowed to speak in this documentary. | ||
| He was Alex's original cameraman way back and was along for their fake infiltration of Bohemian Grove. | ||
| There's a reason he's included as a talking head in this film and other folks aren't, and that's because Alex is still very beloved to Mike Hansen. | ||
| He loves Alex. | ||
| He has a huge room full of pictures of Alex and archives of all their stuff, including the shirt and shoes that he wore when they went into the Grove. | ||
| Full disclosure, I want those tapes that he has. | ||
| But the difference is that I want to create an archive of Alex's career that can be used by researchers to deconstruct Alex's body of work. | ||
| Mike has a giant shrine. | ||
| It's creepy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, in a Bill and Ted situation... | ||
| You are George Carlin coming back from a perfect society being like, okay, if I get this shit and take it back to the future, then we will have a successful world. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So Mike is in this film because he's a voice that can say that Alex is not only great now, he's always been great, and I would know because I was there. | ||
| Including this voice and not other voices of people who were there and are now critical of Alex's editorial choice on Moyer's part. | ||
| She doesn't speak to other people who were there when they went to the Grove, like John Ronson or Alex's ex-wife, who didn't go into the Grove with them but was along for the trip. | ||
| The selection of voices that are allowed in this film is curated to create a particular image of Alex and people who are actually critical of him and know him would threaten that image so they don't exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is her choice. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| So we get some clips of Alex from early on in his life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this one is weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is a weird thing to keep in. | ||
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Yeah, that's Alex Jones, baby. | |
| Alright. | ||
| We're talking about some serious issues today. | ||
| We're talking about how they got us divided. | ||
| It should not be front-page news that Fuzzy Zeller said something racist, even though he's an old, fat racist. | ||
| Who cares about an old, fat racist that says something about an awesome man, Asian, African-American, who's worth probably $100 million? | ||
| Who cares about words? | ||
| We're Americans! | ||
| We're all together in this boat. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's strange to see some of this earliest video of Alexies minimizing racism. | ||
| Hey, hey, who among us cannot go back in time 20 years and say to themselves that, yes, this is a country divided and it should be okay to be racist towards Tiger Woods? | ||
| Who among us? | ||
| Right? | ||
| This is years before Obama allowed us to be racist towards the president! | ||
| It's so weird to look like, oh, 1997, what was Alex doing? | ||
| Saying racism's not a problem. | ||
| Presentate, what's Alex doing? | ||
| And again. | ||
| The country is divided. | ||
| 1997. | ||
| I don't know if anybody's ever heard that currently. | ||
| No. | ||
| So here's another clip of Alex. | ||
| And this is on location. | ||
| He took a trip. | ||
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We're here at the Alfred P. Murrow Building in Oklahoma City. | |
| The site of the April 19th, 1995 bombing. | ||
| And there's a lot of questions. | ||
| A lot of unanswered questions. | ||
| Like, why has the media ignored two seismograph reports from the University of Oklahoma and the U.S. Geological Survey that show two distinct explosion patterns? | ||
| Why have they ignored the first preliminary reports of two explosions by people on the ground as witnesses? | ||
| And I am not sitting here claiming to have the answers. | ||
| But I know this: They don't want you to know something. | ||
| They're keeping something from you. | ||
| They've done it A to Z from intimidation of witnesses to covering up evidence to destroying this crime scene. | ||
| This is tyranny at work one way or another. | ||
| Either they're exploiting this terrible tragedy and our children that died, or they were actively engaged in it. | ||
| Yes, the federal government. | ||
| This clip is just Alex being Alex, man. | ||
| He's got a conclusion, and he's going to accept whatever half-cooked pieces of information he can find to justify it. | ||
| We talked about how the two explosions and seismograph thing is bullshit back on an episode about Bill Cooper, so I'm not going to get into it here, but look at what Alex is doing. | ||
| He's got an inaccurate piece of information he doesn't fully understand, and he's using that lack of knowledge on his part to insist there must be a conspiracy. | ||
| Because of this incorrect information, there are two possibilities. | ||
| Either the government did this, or they're covering up who did because they let it happen. | ||
| There isn't a third possibility to him. | ||
| he never considers it and that's almost always the correct one. | ||
| That's that he doesn't know what he's talking about and he's wrong. | ||
| This is the same shit with his Sandy Hook stuff. | ||
| All of it was based on incorrect information that he decided to accept as true so he could claim there were anomalies with the shooting that would justify him calling it a false flag so he could pretend that the government was using mass shootings to push gun control. | ||
| He's kind of a one trick pony and that one trick is being wrong. | ||
| Having flimsy justifications to Yeah. | ||
| Man. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Sometimes it would be nice if I had something insightful or funny to say, but sometimes it's just like, yeah, let's hear the truth happen. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| What a weird thing to happen. | ||
| It's late. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like, you know, I think that on one level, in more competent hands, in a actually well put together documentary, you could have stuff like this. | ||
| And you could juxtapose it with stuff about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And you could make the point, even without grilling Alex too hard, that this is the same shit that he does all the time. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That documentary, this one does not do this. | ||
| That is not that documentary. | ||
| The behavior that he's displaying in Oklahoma City is looked at as good. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I mean, a softball interview proves Alex is a monster. | ||
| It is only a T-ball documentary that allows Alex to exist the way he does. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, I was like, what's a T-ball documentary? | ||
| That took me a second. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But now that you get it, it's super good, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is late. | ||
| The way you were saying it made sense to me. | ||
| I got the point you were trying to make, but what's a T-ball documentary? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| So anyway, Mike Hansen has some words about Alex. | ||
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It wasn't very popular back then. | |
| You were out there as a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| But Alex made it more popular because he was well-spoken and very professional. | ||
| He was kind of like the Dan Rather of the conspiracy theory world. | ||
| You can follow people around. | ||
| You can harass people. | ||
| You can back up your banks, your buddies. | ||
| But a revolution of peaceful information is coming. | ||
| And when it comes time, you people are going to be brought to punishment. | ||
| So weird how this documentary doesn't even mention the existence of Bill Cooper. | ||
| It's nuts that they're just kind of pretending that Alex didn't completely idolize him and pretending that he wasn't a giant figure in the anti-government conspiracy world. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| He's following in Bill Cooper's wake. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| It is... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they didn't bring up Father Coughlin. | ||
| They didn't say that... | ||
| Lord Ha-Ha. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They didn't say that, like, Wolf Blitzer was the Dan Rather of not being Edward R. Moreau. | ||
| They didn't say all of those things. | ||
| There's no Keith Olbermann involved. | ||
| So there's one thing that Alex always talks about whenever people say that he's a racist, and that is, like, I bullhorned the Klan. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so we get some video of that, and I think the context of it is actually really interesting. | ||
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When we were rebuilding it, the Ku Klux Klan come down to Waco. | |
| and Alex and I and a bunch of other people went over and bullhorned them. | ||
| Yeah, the toothless large race and their federal Gestapo controllers are not welcome here in central Texas where the real Patriots reside. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Yeah, so Alex was bullhorning the Klan, but it was really more about being defensive about Waco. | ||
| Yeah, I don't see any disagreement with the Klan so much as like a... | ||
| I want more attention than the Klan. | ||
| And I have baselessly decided that you're all feds. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| But, like, it really... | ||
| That context is actually fairly important. | ||
| That he bullhorned the Klan when they came to Waco when he was trying to be the guy who was rebuilding the French Davidian Church. | ||
| He's not bullhorning the Klan other times. | ||
| No! | ||
| He's bullhorning... | ||
| Anyone who takes attention from him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if the Klan is the people who take the attention, that's fine. | ||
| Anybody who might attract a right-wing patriot audience. | ||
| That could steal... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Anybody who could be in what you might call a power struggle with Alex. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| No, no, no, totally. | ||
| He must... | ||
| Deferential to Tucker because I could take Tucker's audience. | ||
| Fuck the Klan because they're trying to take mine. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we get Alex in the present day here talking a little bit, and this is just so fucking stupid. | ||
| The general public are like... | ||
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Babies inside the womb. | |
| They don't even know what's going on in the outside world. | ||
| They're like inside their mother. | ||
| They have no idea what's going on. | ||
| Meanwhile, there's these mad scientists trying to steal the future from them before they're even born. | ||
| That's what it feels like. | ||
| So I'm outside. | ||
| I got outside the womb. | ||
| And I'm not totally blind. | ||
| And I'm powerless to stop them. | ||
| Even though I can tell people what's coming next, it doesn't even matter. | ||
| People just still, they can't deal with the magnitude of this. | ||
| And I understand. | ||
| Yeah, and these people, they put hand puppets, shadow puppets on the womb. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| Just ripping off the allegory of the womb. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So that's cool. | ||
| Also a little condescending. | ||
| Yeah, you know, but we're all proud of him for having kind of almost learned a thing about the past that maybe he can relate a little bit. | ||
| One of the most basic philosophical things that you learn in... | ||
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It may be your first class of high school philosophy. | |
| If you're in the womb, you don't expect to know the first principles of philosophy. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So, there's more of the past, and one of the things is about, you know, they talk about Alex going to Bohemian Grove. | ||
| Alex is a syndicated talk show host from Austin, Texas. | ||
| He broadcasts from his bedroom down an ISDN line to 8 million listeners. | ||
| Alex believes that the shadowy elite at Bohemian Grove are the puppet masters who control the world's governments, banks, the media and the United Nations. | ||
| So, a clip of John Ronson from The Secret Rulers of the World is played. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Not talking to him himself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is video that shows, like B-roll, that shows of his interview on C-SPAN where he was talking about how Alex lied about what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't play that clip. | ||
| They don't play the audio of it at all. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's no dissenting opinion. | ||
| Everything is just reinforcing Alex's perception, even if there are things that are very clear indications that you should have access to the information that... | ||
| It makes you responsible for pushing back on this a little bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's fun that the juxtaposition of John and Alex makes you think that the British won 1776. | ||
| But then Piers Morgan comes in later. | ||
| Well, and then the British really got their ass kicked. | ||
| We have all kinds of questions. | ||
| It's a war. | ||
| It's not a battle. | ||
| So now we get to 2001. | ||
| Hello, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I'm so glad that you could join us today for this Wednesday, July 25, 2001 broadcast. | ||
| Tyranny is enveloping the globe, and the United States is a shining jewel the globalists want to bring down, and they will use terrorism as the pretext to get it done. | ||
| So this is his prediction of 9-11 show. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And this documentary is pretending that Bill Cooper doesn't exist, so there's no reason to explain that Alex just stole this prediction from Bill. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This whole section of the film is a really long greatest hits of Alex's career that's meant to paint him as a true renegade, going against popular opinion to tell the truth about these tragic events. | ||
| It covers things like OKC, Waco, and 9-11, but it's just surface-level shit, like Alex saying, this thing is a false flag, and then Alex in the present day will say, boy, that's... | ||
| That sure was a false flag. | ||
| It's meaningless and doesn't talk at all about the details of stuff, like how Alex thought the EU did 9-11. | ||
| Then we have Bohemian Grove in there, but you don't really have any mention of Ronson going on C-SPAN and discussing how Alex admitted to him that he was lying to his audience about everything. | ||
| And even worse, this documentary just ignores so much of Alex's career that doesn't fit its mold. | ||
| Like, what about Y2K? | ||
| Or even larger, what about the Boston bombing? | ||
| That was a giant part of his career, and he got it completely wrong. | ||
| That was an event where he managed to send Dan Badandi to disrupt a press conference that the authorities were holding to inform the public about the situation while the bombers were still unknown and on the loose. | ||
| The public was living in fear, and Badandi was just yelling Infowars.com at the police who were trying to calm the public. | ||
| You can make an argument that his coverage of the Boston bombing is in the top five points of his career that bear mentioning, and its omission here is glaring. | ||
| And the reason is because it doesn't fit. | ||
| You don't really get to hero. | ||
| Play that for a hero. | ||
| The selection of what to cover and what not to cover is an editorial choice that Moyer is making, because these things are the building blocks of Alex's mythology, whereas things like him being an idiot and gleefully exploiting a terrorized city isn't necessarily good optics. | ||
| Sandy Hook will come up, because it has to, but it's presented as more or less the exception that proves the rule, and even... | ||
| More poorly presented, and we'll get to that later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like the one blemish on his otherwise spotless record, you know? | ||
| The thing that proves Alex actually is human, despite all this evidence to the contrary. | ||
| Yeah, the Japanese concept of the flaw that makes something perfect. | ||
| Every mandala has a sand that is off. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| So there's a lot, you know, there's these things from the past. | ||
| All of these, like Oklahoma City, Waco, 9-11, and some of it. | ||
| Some of it is mildly interesting, but not really. | ||
| Some of it is stuff that we've gone over ad nauseum. | ||
| So what's the point of readdressing it? | ||
| We are in an interesting and unique situation where, once again, no one has seen this. | ||
| Or the people who haven't seen this or who are unfamiliar with Alex have no idea what's going on. | ||
| And most of our listeners would be incredibly bored by us telling the regular people insane information! | ||
| Basically, the points of these things from the past are... | ||
| Presenting Alex's activities surrounding these topics in the most generous and heroic light. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Now we get back to the present, and what do you know? | ||
| Alex is a fucking hero. | ||
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Oh, this is so awesome. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Here we go! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Hey folks! | ||
| We're going to the cap! | ||
| There's a big rally down there! | ||
| A big rally on the mall! | ||
| We love you guys! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| There he is! | ||
| Come on, boys! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| There he is! | ||
| Much of the discussion of the past is framed as things Alex did being unpopular. | ||
| He got fired for covering Waco according to the stories here. | ||
| He lost all these stations for covering 9-11 as a false flag. | ||
| He was punished for telling the truth but he kept soldiering forward. | ||
| It's important to understand that framing is a critical piece of this documentary's editing choices, because when you now flash back to the fall of 2020 and Alex is at these Stop the Steal rallies, he's having everyone yell that they love him and all this, which is meant to be experienced in contrast with how he was treated in the past. | ||
| This is visually telling the audience that Alex was right all along, and though he suffered hardships, at the end of that road, the people realized he was right. | ||
| This is bullshit, and it's not the impression you would get if this tour through Alex's career treated his career accurately and not like an embarrassing puff piece. | ||
| If you saw him fumbling around and saying horrible racist shit, or insinuating for months that the Ba 'ath Party were being reinstalled in Iraq, or arguing that the EU did 9-11, or doing insane shit about Obama's birth certificate, or his Ebola bullshit, or Pizzagate, or slandering the head of Chobani, or how he thought that Obama was a secret Muslim trying to use FEMA to turn the US into a caliphate on... | ||
| Under Sharia law or all the times he insisted that Ron Paul was gonna win the GOP primary, then you wouldn't see that smash cut to the present day the same way. | ||
| If you understood the clearer picture of his career, you might see the people yelling out that they love him as pitiable people who've been sucked in by a con man. | ||
| But because this documentary only seems to care about presenting Alex as a really solid information guy, you see the people flocking to him and it's meant to look like they've finally come around and recognize that Alex is great. | ||
| This is a choice made by the editing that is being done by Moyer. | ||
| There's a reason that the discussion of Sandy Hook is separated. | ||
| From all of this past stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because that's not supposed to be seen as actually part of his career. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| That was a blip! | ||
| That was a blip, Dan! | ||
| At worst, it was a blip. | ||
| Listen, okay, do you remember how that one time the United States was running these drills, right? | ||
| And they didn't notify Russia of it, and these drills would be very similar to ones that you would do if you were launching a nuclear attack. | ||
| And Russia, because they didn't know that the United States was about to, or was not... | ||
| Going to launch a nuclear attack and only knew that these drills were happening, decided that what they needed to do was launch an actual, real nuclear attack. | ||
| And it was only because of the efforts of one heroic man that they did not shoot those fucking missiles, right? | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| Blip. | ||
| Yeah, it's just a blip. | ||
| It's a blip. | ||
| Nobody even remembers it. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not that important. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Alex, this presentation of him sucks. | ||
| It stinks. | ||
| And it would not really be possible to achieve without very intentional choices being made in how this information is being presented. | ||
| No, I mean, how is it that we have trouble sleeping at night, Dan? | ||
| How is it that both of us struggle to sleep? | ||
| Caffeine, alcohol on your part, mental imbalance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| Yeah, you name it. | ||
| So we're now here in the fall of 2020 and Mike Flynn is giving a speech. | ||
| And this is that speech where Trump flew over in a helicopter. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And this moment is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I mean, when you've been raked over the coals by the media like I've been raked over the coals by the media, like my mom said, sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And I will tell you, and I've said this before, the media, the media is doing an incredible disservice to this country. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| HITLER! | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| That was a different... | ||
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Close. | |
| I was so close. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I love the fact that he does that. | ||
| I've been asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, who will be the next president of the United States? | ||
| And I say, Donald Trump. | ||
| 10. The visuals of this are terrifying. | ||
| People are looking up at the sky as Trump flies over in the helicopter. | ||
| There's a shot of Mike Lindell looking up like he's gonna cry. | ||
| There's this beautiful operatic music indicating an almost religious experience that people are having, looking up to the heavens. | ||
| Moyer chose to play that music underneath his video, which gives it a very particular tone. | ||
| Essentially, that there's a giant cult of people who view Trump as their savior. | ||
| But, this documentary doesn't give you any reason to think that's a bad thing. | ||
| The subject of this film is the biggest Trump supporter in the world who's cried on air about how he would die for Trump. | ||
| There's no voice in this film that's critical of Trump, so the music doesn't really come off as heightening or highlighting something that is being commented on. | ||
| It kind of just fits, and the film is treating like that's okay. | ||
| This is appropriate. | ||
| I found that really disturbing. | ||
| I mean, the scene itself is disturbing, and then the directorial choices that are made here are just presented in a way that I find Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I remember watching Apocalypse Now. | ||
| I hate that I'm making so many movie references, but we are talking about a movie. | ||
| We also haven't heard Alex make many movie references, so it's kind of low. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| But, I mean, we are discussing a movie, and we are discussing a person who's making a movie, and a person who's making a movie like you would make a Hollywood movie. | ||
| And so... | ||
| If I was discussing a scene in Apocalypse Now where someone were to say, I love the smell of napalm in the morning, and I were to play the Benny Hill theme song, it might sound different. | ||
| Cantina music. | ||
| That's our theme song for the week, apparently. | ||
| It's the only thing that's getting me through. | ||
| It really feels like it. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| It's been a long week. | ||
| It also hasn't been a week. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| So Alex is at this rally where everyone is cultically looking up at the sky, at Trump flying over, and there's a moment that happens that I found really disturbing. | ||
| It's a woman who's trying to climb over a fence to get a picture with Alex. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
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*music* | |
| Hey Alex! | ||
| Um, this is Trish from Michigan. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| I want a picture! | ||
| Hey, this is Trish from Michigan. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
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And you and I was making a comment about John the Baptist. | |
| You're a poor motherfucker. | ||
| You're preparing away. | ||
| I'm so thankful for you, Alex. | ||
| My mother-in-law is going to be jealous. | ||
| That clip suffers from the same problem as the last one. | ||
| Inside this film, there's no reason to think it's weird for someone to be comparing Alex to John the Baptist. | ||
| This film is essentially justifying that conclusion by choosing to show what it shows. | ||
| A woman climbing over a fence to take a selfie with Alex and compare him to John the Baptist should be a shocking image, and it should be troubling, but in the context of this documentary, if you accept the story as Moyer is telling it... | ||
| Why wouldn't you think that Alex is John the Baptist? | ||
| He's basically been right his entire career and persecuted for telling the truth about what was coming because that truth threatened the power structure. | ||
| This documentary allows Alex to frame himself so unquestioningly that it makes sense that this woman views Alex this way. | ||
| Honestly, it would almost be weirder if she didn't. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| So when we... | ||
| We've now taken in a bit of Alex as hero in the present. | ||
| Vindicated for all the past. | ||
| All the past turmoil and troubles. | ||
| And now we jump back to the past. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we pick up here where Alex is discussing... | ||
| I think he showed up at a convention. | ||
| And just talking about how, like, none of these candidates are good. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Like, basically, he's photobombing the news. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, we're going to leave it at that. | ||
| Thanks very much. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| Good morning, America. | ||
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And Susan, of course, the floor is empty, but they're here, and lest we be accused of not hearing all voices, we cut you off a moment ago. | |
| This is Alex Jones from Austin, Texas, a radio talk show host. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| With Infowars.com, both candidates are cousins. | ||
| They're skull and bones. | ||
| They're bringing in big government and tyranny. | ||
| The evidence is clear. | ||
| the military-industrial complex, was intimately involved in 9-11. | ||
| The commission is a complete fraud. | ||
| We're losing our freedoms. | ||
| Both parties are controlled. | ||
| And if we don't wake up and stand up and speak out, this country is going to be destroyed. | ||
| Giving up liberty only gives us tyranny. | ||
| It does not give us security. | ||
| And I hope that everybody out there wakes up to this and realizes that America is America because we have the Bill of Rights and Constitution. | ||
| Everybody should investigate 9-11 and find out who's really behind it. | ||
| It's Bush's and the New World Order's Reichstag. | ||
| And his cousin Kerry isn't going to save you either. | ||
| Thank you, PrisonPlanet.com. | ||
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Alex Jones. | |
| They always say the same thing. | ||
| You want to be on this crusade that's going nowhere, or do you want to be a star? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Fox News offered me multiple jobs. | ||
| Asked me a move to Manhattan. | ||
| They were looking for somebody that's the next Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| And we'll have editorial control. | ||
| You'll get multiple book deals a year. | ||
| You'll have a national TV show. | ||
| And we just want to do this. | ||
| And then when I refused Fox News... | ||
| Right before Glenn Beck was picked and appeared they would have articles saying Jones wants to be on Fox News but Fox News doesn't want him. | ||
| So now we see flashing back to the past again, but it's important to understand what track we're on. | ||
| This is the track that leads to him supporting Trump, which has to be contextualized by pointing out Alex's renegade individuality throughout his political career. | ||
| Here he is talking about how Bush and Kerry both suck. | ||
| You know, he doesn't want to be a part of Fox News. | ||
| They conveniently ignore his constant support for Ron Paul's candidacies, because why provide context when you can just pretend that Trump was Alex's first love? | ||
| This is the section where Sandy Hook will come up, because this documentary wants Alex's coverage of Sandy Hook to be understood in a very specific way, which we'll discuss when we get there. | ||
| Also, if Alex had ever taken one of those job offers at Fox, he would have lasted about as long as Michael Savage did at MSNBC. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He would have been shit-canned so fast. | ||
| He can't play ball. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's... | ||
| You know, you want to say, with the 20th of 20 hindsights... | ||
| That he knew what was happening, but he didn't. | ||
| What was happening is that he spoke in short sentences, confidently, loudly, and quickly. | ||
| And nobody knew at that time that that's all you needed to do to dominate the entire American consciousness. | ||
| I would argue that sometimes it was also run-on sentences. | ||
| Well, you are not wrong. | ||
| That give the appearance of an overabundance of information that you're delivering. | ||
| When it's really just killing time until you figure out what the next sentence is. | ||
| Here's what I'll say, and I want to try and describe it this way. | ||
| Back then, if you were to take his words... | ||
| You could put it into like guitar tablature and you would have a clearer idea of why people enjoyed it than you would if you listened to his words. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's music to people. | ||
| Yeah, it might be more rhythmic. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| So it's like bass tabs instead of guitar tabs. | ||
| I mean, it's hard not to look at it and say that there's a definite call-and-response history to it, you know? | ||
| Like, this is the history of Baptist preaching. | ||
| I mean, it goes back, you know? | ||
| That's why he's so effective at getting chants going. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| So at this point, Alex has rejected these deals from Fox News. | ||
| He doesn't want to support... | ||
| Bush or Kerry. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| He's a rogue. | ||
| Just like us, not advertising for mattresses. | ||
| He's out in the wild. | ||
| He's no one's person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he's also in Waking Life. | ||
| And so here's a little clip of him in Waking Life. | ||
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It's going to be the age of humankind standing up for something pure and something right. | |
| What a bunch of garbage liberal, Democrat, conservative, Republican. | ||
| It's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin. | ||
| We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter, creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit. | ||
| I didn't really care about Hollywood. | ||
| My goal wasn't to be in movies. | ||
| My goal wasn't to be in Brace. | ||
| So, I mean, like, no mention of Star-Lord? | ||
| He was so close. | ||
| Yeah, he was supposed to get the... | ||
| He would have gotten paid more than... | ||
| He was supposed to be Chris Pratt's role in Guardians of the Galaxy. | ||
| More than Chris Pratt. | ||
| How does that not come up? | ||
| He would have been paid more than Chris Pratt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, all of this is just meant to be, like, this rejection of the mainstream or whatever. | ||
| There's a world where Alex shows up in Jurassic World like, Hey, listen, Raptors! | ||
| Hey, Blue! | ||
| You and I are friends now! | ||
| Come on now! | ||
| Hey, Raptors! | ||
| I'm your buddy, Blue. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I don't remember the other Raptors' names. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Neither of us saw the movie! | ||
| I did. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The first one. | ||
| Oh, no, I was talking about... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I saw the first of the new ones. | ||
| Oh, I haven't seen any of them. | ||
| I was curious. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| It was fine. | ||
| So, Alex doesn't like Hollywood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He hates the West Coast. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Charlie Sheen was the only guy that was crazy to be seen in public with me or talk to me. | ||
| But I went to some parties and stuff with some of the biggest Hollywood stars, and I left. | ||
| This feels creepy. | ||
| It feels empty. | ||
| I've never felt this weak. | ||
| There was a feeling like a big spider sucking my soul. | ||
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Torture, secret arrest, America putting into a police station. | |
| If there is a Satan, and it's truly on this planet, it resides on the West Coast, in between Silicon Valley and Los Angeles. | ||
| That's the most evil place in the world I've been. | ||
| He might have just been jet-lagged. | ||
| And then also, like, he shouldn't be saying if there's a devil. | ||
| He talks about the devil all the fucking time. | ||
| I mean, if there's a devil should never... | ||
| Come near Alex's mouth. | ||
| Yeah, pretty stupid. | ||
| It breaks my heart because that's fundamental to his existence. | ||
| Yeah, not on this documentary, though. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, it's almost like... | ||
| Suspicious in its absence from this documentary is Alex explaining that all of his enemies are literally controlled by the Christian devil. | ||
| It does feel like if your fundamental issue with the globalists is that they are controlled by the literal Christian devil, that should also be the centerpiece of your documentary. | ||
| Does that seem... | ||
| I feel like I'm not being crazy. | ||
| No, no, you're totally right. | ||
| It just makes sense. | ||
| There's shockingly little in terms of... | ||
| No devil is the cause of all of my problems? | ||
| No, certainly not that. | ||
| But there's also very little of his religious fundamentalism at all. | ||
| Oh, do you mean the thing that's most central to his coverage and topics these days? | ||
| There's no footage of him praying on air? | ||
| None! | ||
| Yeah, weird. | ||
| You know the thing that he doesn't do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, the liberals. | ||
| I forgot it was our fault. | ||
| They loved Alex back when the Bush days. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But then they didn't like him. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I think it's fair to say that the liberals liked me or also thought it was kind of a joke. | ||
| That thing you hear in the background, that belly of the beast, they played that video of him and Rogan running around in the Bush masks. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| So that was what that was. | ||
| Not a Street Fighter video. | ||
| No. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And so, yeah, it was more like, oh, yeah, that's just a crazy guy in Austin. | ||
| All they saw was I was against Bush. | ||
| And then Obama came in and go, yeah, but you're attacking Obama now. | ||
| So then at the end there is the Obama Joker thing. | ||
| That classic video of his. | ||
| I really thought that one was the Street Fighter video. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| I wasn't Blanca? | ||
| No, no, it's a DLC. | ||
| Alex as Obama Joker is... | ||
| That's available in Street Fighter 11, I think. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| So Alex is continuing this narrative of persecution and sticking to his guns and having a principle. | ||
| I was the same. | ||
| Liberals loved me because they thought I hated George Bush, but I also hated Obama, and then they stopped liking me again, and I was punished again for my integrity. | ||
| Above it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so you have this path that is being walked. | ||
| And they flash a clip up here of Alex talking about the Operation Lockstep document back in 2010. | ||
| No. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was not. | ||
| I mean, I'm not even worthy to be bringing you information this powerful, and I hope that you pay attention to what we cover here minute by minute. | ||
| Because I've had chills since last night. | ||
| This just confirms everything else we've already researched. | ||
| Yeah, so he's covering the document that is now known as Operation Lockstep. | ||
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Right. | |
| It wasn't known as that in 2010. | ||
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Right. | |
| But here's the thing. | ||
| The video that's used in the documentary doesn't come from the original show that Alex did. | ||
| The graphics that it uses are similar to those in this little sizzle video that Alex put together on his website in the Alex Jones predictions section that's meant to show that Alex Jones is right about everything. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| That's not great to imagine that instead of using primary sourcing, this documentary might rely on a propaganda video made by Infowars designed specifically to pretend that Alex predicted COVID over a decade ago. | ||
| I probably wouldn't do that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would just use the raw video of Alex from 2010. | ||
| Because it's available, obviously. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| We all watched it on stream. | ||
| But there was a point at which the defense's lawyer argued that the plaintiffs making them look dumb... | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Was, in fact, a sanction by the court. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Now, the plaintiff's attorney said that to the judge, and the judge said back, the only person who's making you look dumb is you. | ||
| Yeah, the only person who can make you look dumb is... | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You have your choice. | ||
| It feels like we're here. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The only person who can make this documentary as bad as it is is the person who made this documentary. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And I have some choice words. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Two hours worth of them. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So, Alex, you know, he's talking. | ||
| He says some other bullshit. | ||
| In the year 2023, COVID-22 has been released, and no one's allowed to go outside, and tens of millions are dead who were shot and killed for leaving their houses. | ||
| They're going zero to a trillion miles an hour. | ||
| We went into warp. | ||
| We're in warp right now. | ||
| I mean, one year will be like a hundred years now. | ||
| And that's where my study of history and religions and science ends, because whatever it is they're tuned into is beyond my knowledge. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Alex has very frequently talked about how God has given him visions of everything that's going to happen and that he's a psychic. | ||
| I'm going to guess that he didn't say that because he doesn't want people who don't already like him to know that he's that nuts. | ||
| Also, this is a more recent thing, but it's still part of this descent into the past based on him predicting COVID back in 2010. | ||
| We're still on that track of Alex being a renegade who has no team, who the liberals liked because he was criticizing Bush, and then they stopped liking him when he attacked Obama. | ||
| That's the main theme of this section that we're in. | ||
| Or the river that we're in, as Alex would put it. | ||
| I am frustrated by the general vibe I'm getting that this documentary is meant entirely to rehab Alex's previous five years of being a far-right nutjob into returning to some sort of pre-Obama era above the left-right paradigm version of himself. | ||
| Is that what I'm hearing? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think that's probably one of the goals they would like to explore. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like that. | ||
| I think whatever positive interpretation that becomes of Alex after this is what they're going for. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| It's offensive for me to ascribe to them intent because that would suggest competence on some level. | ||
| Well, and Alex just said he doesn't know what the future holds. | ||
| I mean, really, he doesn't. | ||
| So maybe the left-right paradigm is good in the future. | ||
| The boy in the future is holding him broke is what it is. | ||
| But look, he has simple wants. | ||
| He just wants to be good so his soul can go to heaven. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| I'm so past the politics and all the names and all the stuff. | ||
| It doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| I'm just guilty because I've not raised my kids perfectly. | ||
| And I'm really freaked out by all this. | ||
| And just trying to have a relationship with God so that my spirit gets out of this when I die. | ||
| I mean, really, that's all I think about now. | ||
| Cheating on my waist with God. | ||
| And I want to get out of this now. | ||
| And God says, I'm allowed to. | ||
| So that's it. | ||
| It's bad, though. | ||
| It's going to get real bad. | ||
| Like, you realize that college is not going to be here soon. | ||
| I told my son three years ago, I said, you're getting out of high school in a couple years. | ||
| There's no going to be a college for you, son. | ||
| It's all going to be shut down. | ||
| It's all going to be over. | ||
| You see, son, everything's over. | ||
| There's no going to college. | ||
| And that's why I spent your education fund on taking a trip to California, the evilest place on earth, so I could do mushrooms with Mike Tyson. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about, asshole? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with this overly dramatic nonsense. | ||
| Look, look. | ||
| He tried to smoke his son because he thought his son was a toad after smoking toad. | ||
| This happens. | ||
| He was just licking his son. | ||
| This is normal. | ||
| Yeah, and as we have found out, that's just not how you get high off of Toad. | ||
| No, nor Alex's son. | ||
| It's not safe. | ||
| So, you know, we're trudging through this past of Alex's sort of political rebelliousness. | ||
| This is your life. | ||
| And so we get now to the point where he yells at Piers Morgan. | ||
| Piers, don't try what your ancestors did before. | ||
| Why don't you come to America? | ||
| I'll take you out shooting. | ||
| You can become an American and join the Republic. | ||
| Hitler took the guns. | ||
| Stalin took the guns. | ||
| Mao took the guns. | ||
| Del Castro took the guns. | ||
| Hugo Chavez took the guns. | ||
| And I'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. | ||
| We will not relinquish them. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| Suspicious in its absence from this is the subsequent time when Alex showed up at a Piers Morgan event and begged him to come back on the show and Piers was not interested in talking to him. | ||
| Oh man, I bet there's no recording of that and there's no way to hear any evidence that that actually happened. | ||
| I wish that I had the time to go through all the archives because it's been on our show. | ||
| Yeah, you would have to listen to our show. | ||
| Or... | ||
| His, I think. | ||
| I think he played it on his show. | ||
| That would make sense. | ||
| But I wouldn't ask anyone ever to do that. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So now, from there, we jump to Trump. | ||
| Trump jump. | ||
| And look, Trump just latched onto what Alex was doing, man. | ||
| Hillary for president! | ||
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Hillary for president! | |
| So real quick. | ||
| Obviously the point of this is going to be that he was yelling Hillary for prison and then Trump took that and was going to lock her up. | ||
| But Alex has said that he stole Hillary for prison from somebody's bumper sticker that he saw. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so that person is actually responsible for locking her up. | ||
| You generate an idea if you steal it from somebody who's anonymous because they can't argue against you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| That's a great point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What's coming by? | ||
| Hillary for prison! | ||
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There it is, folks. | |
| The Hillary for prison banner. | ||
| Trump tapped into the same populist anger, the same populist concern that I've been tapped into. | ||
| The whole takeover failed, didn't it? | ||
| And now, who gets to talk to the president? | ||
| Who gets to talk to the Supreme Court justices? | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
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He was a nice guy, actually. | |
| You like him? | ||
| That's when the media took the gloves off and went from twisting stuff sometimes more playful, like I was a joke, to like every newspaper runs an AP article. | ||
| Every newspaper runs a New York Times article. | ||
| By every paper, I mean thousands. | ||
| So in case it's not explicit enough, here is Rob Dew laying out that Alex is responsible for Trump being president. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Alex Jones made Trump. | ||
| Whether anybody wants to believe that or not, the only reason that man is in office is because of Alex Jones. | ||
| The spirit of America. | ||
| Can you feel it rising? | ||
| Trump feels it. | ||
| He knows it. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| So here is where things, I would say, become entirely unacceptable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is talking about how, you know, he basically was what Trump was vibing off of. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Trump liked him. | ||
| Trump came on his show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hillary started to get mad at him. | ||
| And here's what happened. | ||
| Trump's real crime was trying to actually be the president and coming in and not letting special interests run things. | ||
| And that enraged the permanent bureaucracy that we know of as the deep state. | ||
| The people are so awake. | ||
| I mean, I'm not kidding. | ||
| Every second person I walk by is a listener. | ||
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When they saw that, they're like, oh, he's just not the crazy guy on the Internet. | |
| Now we have to go back and see, oh, where did he fuck up that we could go get him at? | ||
| Now we've got to destroy Alex Jones. | ||
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Alex Jones Man, I'm really upset. | |
| I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I'm totally freaked out. | ||
| And I told you this last week before the shooting. | ||
| I just love my children so much. | ||
| And I love my children so much in their innocence. | ||
| I love other people's children. | ||
| This is, no exaggeration, the last way that any self-respecting filmmaker would cover this subject matter. | ||
| Sandy Hook is not coming up as an instance of something really, really bad that Alex did in his career. | ||
| It's being presented as something that people are only mad about because they needed an excuse to attack him because he supported Trump. | ||
| This is a choice that Alex Moyer is making as a filmmaker. | ||
| She didn't have to include the Sandy Hook outrage as merely the result of people needing to justify hating Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex's Sandy Hook coverage isn't even mentioned chronologically because in the context of this documentary, the important thing isn't his coverage, it's the way people got unfairly mad about it because he liked Trump. | ||
| There's no counterbalance to this depiction at all. | ||
| This is an unchallenged position in the film which is editorially supported by the way that Moyer has edited this documentary. | ||
| If she thought that Alex's claim was at all dubious, she could reach out to one of the Sandy Hook parents to discuss how they were trying to get Alex to stop this shit long before he cared about Trump. | ||
| Or, if she wanted to give the impression that she disputed his claim, she didn't have to structure and edit the film to comport with Alex's narrative. | ||
| Again, much like with the John the Baptist thing, if you believe what this documentary is presenting, you have no reason to not believe that people are only mad about Sandy Hook because Alex supported Trump. | ||
| The story, as it's told, leads you to no other conclusion, and that is a choice. | ||
| That is a choice that's being made in the creation of this documentary, and it's unacceptable. | ||
| And to recognize that this is intentionally being released during the Sandy Hook trial makes this outrageously offensive. | ||
| This is unacceptable. | ||
| And Alex Moyer, I don't know what the fuck you think you're doing, but this is... | ||
| This is tragic. | ||
| Causing PTSD? | ||
| I mean, is that what you want to say? | ||
| I mean, part of the problem is, one, you said everything that needs to be said about that. | ||
| That is it, and anybody who tries to counter or even add anything to that is wrong. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason that the discussion of Sandy Hook as the one thing that Alex fucked up isn't included in the timeline of his career and all these greatest hits. | ||
| It's because it's a prop in order to justify why people are so angry at him. | ||
| It's because he likes Trump, and they picked through his career to find something they could be mad about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And fuck that. | ||
| That's, like... | ||
| I understand that this is an argument that's going to be made. | ||
| That it's like, I'm just presenting him the way he is. | ||
| You make your own judgments. | ||
| But that's bullshit. | ||
| There is a judgment that you, as a filmmaker, are making by presenting this information that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is not an unbiased, oh, this is who he is. | ||
| This is how it is. | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck that noise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's still fine to make this documentary. | ||
| I'm not saying you should be silenced or like... | ||
| You shouldn't be allowed to make this documentary or anything like this. | ||
| I mean, define silenced and then we'll talk. | ||
| But you continue. | ||
| You can scream over it if you want. | ||
| That's a form of silence. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| Using your free speech. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| But I don't think that you shouldn't be allowed to do this. | ||
| But you also should recognize that what you're doing at core is malicious. | ||
| It is unacceptable. | ||
| And I... | ||
| Can't wait to see what other bullshit she's going to do in her career. | ||
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| This is the kind of documentary that if January 6th had gone the other way would be looked at by history as the same way we would look at Nazi documentaries. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| People in 20 years would look back on that and look like, holy shit. | ||
| Can't believe it. | ||
| But January 6th didn't go that way, and so we have a couple years until we look at it that way. | ||
| I mean, when you bring up January 6th, it does... | ||
| Pull back a little bit on terms of the view. | ||
| You mean that clip of Alex Jones on the view? | ||
| No, that one is very narrow and direct. | ||
| No, I'll try and keep this short. | ||
| But by bringing up January 6th, that does require you to kind of pull back from the Sandy Hook situation. | ||
| He's absolutely a monster. | ||
| And then you pull back and it's further than that. | ||
| By no means am I minimizing what he's done to the families of Sandy Hook. | ||
| But also, overthrowing an entire country, that's also pretty big. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And to a certain extent, whenever the point is made that Trump wouldn't be president without Alex... | ||
| Which is debatable, but there is something to do. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And here's what I'm going to say about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When we talk about nuance, one way to view that is by math. | ||
| Just very simple. | ||
| And the fact that we are very capable of talking about nuance, but when we talk about it, we're not able to really get to the fact that if Alex is 20% responsible for Trump becoming president... | ||
| Then he is responsible for Trump becoming president. | ||
| Because of the margins of victory. | ||
| Because without that 20%. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that we're not able to really deal with right now. | ||
| And we're not. | ||
| And even to make your point further, there's no way that we can create a counterfactual reality where Alex's earlier career didn't exist and the parts of it that involved the Tea Party. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he helped start the Oath Keepers. | ||
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| And all of these things, like the ripple effects of these things from further back in his career. | ||
| And how many of those had... | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And so, like, there is no way to quantify that. | ||
| So I think it is kind of fair to say, like, in whatever sense, Alex could be seen as somebody who helped push it over the hill, at very least. | ||
| No, I mean, you're absolutely right. | ||
| The problem with the word nuance is that we all understand what it means, but if you try and quantify it, you're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but the larger point is this documentary sucks. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I wasn't trying to tangentially over what I'm saying. | ||
| So Alex is talking here a little bit about Sandy Hook, and he says something not good. | ||
| I am not the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| Sandy Hook man, Sandy Hook man, Sandy Hook man. | ||
| I always questioned big events when they first happened. | ||
| The internet was questioning many anomalies of Sandy Hook. | ||
| Some of which turned out to not be real anomalies, some of which were still unsolved anomalies. | ||
| Which ones? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Which ones, Alex? | ||
| We'll find out in trial tomorrow, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, we won't. | ||
| Yeah, so in this documentary you're saying that some reasons that you questioned Sandy Hook were legitimate. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| What anomalies? | ||
| Which ones, dum-dum? | ||
| Unfortunately, Daria said today some reasons that they questioned Sandy Hook were a good idea. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| Bad move. | ||
| I guess that's their position. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Stinks. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| So they play some clips from the depositions, and I will say they don't play the ones that are meaningful, but Mark and Bill both make an appearance in this documentary. | ||
| Oh, good for them! | ||
| As the people grilling Alex and Rob Dew. | ||
| Oh, they're the villains, right? | ||
| There is no mention of the fact that this deposition that they play of Rob Dew's is the one where he's there as a corporate representative. | ||
| It doesn't know what that means. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| There is no mention of any of the discovery issues or any of the bad behavior that Alex has carried on in court, the abusive practices. | ||
| These clips, I believe, are used to make it look like the lawyers are bullying Alex. | ||
| Can I say one thing before you play this clip? | ||
| Can I say one thing? | ||
| Daria was asked today, why did Rob do leave the company? | ||
| And what she did not say was what I think we all secretly believe, is because he would never become the corporate representative for InfoWars again, under oath. | ||
| And that is why Daria is sitting in that stand right now. | ||
| Oh, I thought the reason was because he's tied up in a bunker. | ||
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Sure, that could be. | |
| We're hiding him. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| There is also another possibility. | ||
| Yeah, he's been dead for a month. | ||
| That works. | ||
| He's in a freezer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was watching that, and I think her answer was, he decided to move on. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| From this mortal coil. | ||
| From this exact moment that I am existing in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one wants that. | ||
| No. | ||
| So anyway, here are some clips. | ||
| Mistake or not mistake, Anderson Cooper was in front of a blue screen. | ||
| The only reason I would say it's not 100% because somebody asked him if he was there and he denied being at the funeral. | ||
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You know that's not true. | |
| No, there's video of it. | ||
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There's video of a guy asking him during a taping of a show. | |
| He said, hey, were you at the funeral? | ||
| And he goes, no, I wasn't. | ||
| Right, he wasn't at and inside the funeral. | ||
| Recently, your lawyer said, in a legal document, there is no dispute. | ||
| That the Sandy Hook tragedy was real with tragic loss of life. | ||
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You stand by that. | |
| That's what you admit is true now? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So there's just the appearance of them badgering him, and it creates the appearance of Alex is a victim in this whole thing. | ||
| There's no recognition of the fact that it is these parents who are suing him. | ||
| There's no recognition of what they've gone through. | ||
| It is an entirely one-sided presentation of his Sandy Hook legal troubles, which again are presented as only the result of people trying to find something to be mad at him about because he supports Trump. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| I've watched far too many true crime documentaries to hear a clip of somebody saying, no, I saw that in a video. | ||
| And if they don't follow that up with the video, then you didn't see it in that video. | ||
| You probably didn't. | ||
| It's tough to... | ||
| A good true crime documentary immediately shows that video... | ||
| The proof? | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's very simple. | ||
| If Rob Doe had this video, you'd think... | ||
| Well, just play it! | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| Oh boy, it seems like that's what the plaintiffs are doing. | ||
| So Alex is a baby. | ||
| And one of the things that he likes to do is whenever people are like, hey man, you did some really fucked up stuff about Sandy Hook and your behavior was abhorrent and you probably owe these people some money for defamation. | ||
|
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Right, right, right. | |
| And set yourself on fire like a Buddhist monk in Vietnam. | ||
| Well, see, that's what he thinks people are asking him to do. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm asking. | ||
| He's like, maybe I should be executed for questioning things. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| I'm not going to say you should be, but I'm fine with it. | ||
| And then... | ||
| We accidentally take a hard left turn right into one of the episodes of How Not to Cover Alex. | ||
| So, okay, let's put me in prison for questioning, okay, even though that's my right. | ||
| In fact, let's execute Alex Jones. | ||
| Let's put me in front of a firing squad and pull the trigger. | ||
| ...the paradigm of absolute control. | ||
| And that's why we're just out here doing simple things, pointing out that we're meant to be in nature and be natural, and this is where we find the source that God made to transcend the new world order. | ||
| And that's why they want to try to keep us out of it. | ||
|
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I'm angry. | |
| I've had enough of these people. | ||
| They're the bones of Christian Mariscos. | ||
| Oh, that makes me think Alex more than indie music, you know? | ||
| That indie folk sound. | ||
| That's an Alex sound. | ||
| Still letting it go, huh? | ||
| People like this song. | ||
| In the world. | ||
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Poor bastards. | |
| I let that go on as long as I did because I wanted to illustrate that they play almost the entire Bon Iver parody video of Alex because it's the most, like, it works for him. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so, that's fun. | ||
| But also, he doesn't own that song. | ||
| They don't have permission to use it. | ||
| And so I was thinking, hey, this is a copyright strike right here. | ||
| It actually is, isn't it? | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Like, no joke. | ||
| I don't mean to tell tales out of school, but I got in touch with the guy who made that video. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| And I was like, hey, just a heads up. | ||
| They used your shit in this documentary. | ||
| I know you didn't give them permission. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, it turns out he doesn't have the copyright himself to that song. | ||
| Oh, it's Super Deluxe? | ||
| If they want to put a copyright strike on this, they are more than welcome to. | ||
| Well, we've got a better chance than if it was Viacom. | ||
| True. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So that is just fun. | ||
| So now we smash cut forward to the January 6th era. | ||
| And so January 5th is here. | ||
| Here's a little interview with Owen on the evening. | ||
| January 5th? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They all got together and the documentary filmmaker was like, why are you burning this Black Lives Matter flag? | ||
| And he was like, because it's so great. | ||
| No, that doesn't come up. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| But it is in the evening of January 5th. | ||
| Oh, odd. | ||
| Yeah, and it is Owen. | ||
| This must have been just before that. | ||
| Left out a weird part, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder if the documentarian was there and saw him burning that flag or just didn't go along for that. | ||
|
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Who knows? | |
| Who knows? | ||
| Anyway, suspicious in its absence. | ||
| I believe the order will be Alex Jones, myself, Mike Flynn, I believe Roger Stone. | ||
| Tomorrow's the day that could determine the 2020 election while millions of Trump supporters and patriots are in D.C. So that's pretty much where we're at right now. | ||
| Yeah, so that's where we're at. | ||
| He's talking about how some speeches are going to happen that night, and also we're going to go burn a Black Lives Matter flag and chant, fuck Antifa. | ||
| No, it was Cran-Tifa. | ||
| They were still on that tip. | ||
| The Cranberry Juice Antifa? | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's Alex on the 6th. | ||
| There's a good bit of video stuff on the 6th and what have you, but here he is leading the march. | ||
|
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Yeah, there is. | |
| And he's got a tone. | ||
|
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is such a historic moment together. | |
| This is such a historic moment as America awakens to the New World Order. | ||
| Today is an incredible honor and an incredible pleasure to get to meet and see so many amazing human souls. | ||
| So many great amazing souls. | ||
| Americans! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| USH! | ||
| Nobody planned this, but Trump's actually getting his inauguration on January 6th, 2021 right now, folks. | ||
| They've really screwed the pooch on this. | ||
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We're going all out peacefully. | |
| We have the facts on our side. | ||
| We don't want any violence. | ||
| We decry violence. | ||
| We're not BLM. | ||
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We're not Antifa. | |
| We're here to let the system know that we know we had our votes stolen and we can put millions in the streets when Biden can't even fill six circles in his little COVID meetings. | ||
| Yeah, so he's riling people up with all the exact same rhetoric and the ideology that led to everyone storming the Capitol. | ||
| Give me the rough cut of this entire documentary without the music added. | ||
| I won't change a single scene. | ||
| And all I will do is change the music and you will hear a completely different documentary. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I mean, I could play soul coughings I Don't Need to Walk Around in Circles and you would listen to that clip listening to I Don't Need to... | ||
| and you'd be like, oh yeah, this is a fucking moron. | ||
| It is that simple. | ||
| This is a music made by music entirely. | ||
| Which almost warms my heart because I love music so much. | ||
| You know what I would like to see? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Replace all of it with the cantina theme. | ||
| So, now that Alex has led this march to the Capitol, things go bad. | ||
| Oh, when? | ||
| When? | ||
| When did they go bad? | ||
| Well, I will say that this documentary omits Harrison talking about how the Capitol has fallen. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| And the Patriots have taken over. | ||
| I'm going to tell you this right now. | ||
| I feel like they're leaving some things that might be important out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But here's Alex. | ||
| Is Glenn Greenwald happy with it? | ||
| He loved it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's Alex trying to get people to stop rioting and storming the Capitol. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is one point that I want you to listen closely for, because Alex is not getting anyone to listen to him, and you can hear Ali Alexander say, hey, try a chant. | ||
| No. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| All right. | ||
| Mic down for this, Jordan. | ||
|
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out. | |
| USA! | ||
| End America. | ||
| End it. | ||
| End it now. | ||
| The end. | ||
| If you're trying to stop people from taking over the Capitol to get rid of the illegitimate government that you believe has taken over the country, I don't know if chanting USA is going to really calm people down, but he tries. | ||
| Dear every creative person that has ever existed, do you remember that time when you were like... | ||
| Here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm going to put into this section of my creative endeavor where somebody, an American, tries to calm a crowd down or change their minds by just randomly chanting USA. | ||
| You remember when you were going to do that and you were like, that might be a step too far. | ||
| You were wrong. | ||
| No, it happened. | ||
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Wrong! | |
| And it turns out it didn't work. | ||
|
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USA! | |
| Listen to me! | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| We've got a permit on the other side. | ||
| It's great that this happened, but Trump's not going to come when we've taken this over. | ||
| We're not Antifa. | ||
| We're not the Arab. | ||
| You're amazing. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Let's march around to the other side. | ||
| And let's not fight the police and give the system what they want. | ||
| We are peaceful. | ||
| We won this election. | ||
| And as much as I love seeing the Trump flags flying on. | ||
| We need to not have the confrontation with the police. | ||
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We're going to make that the story. | |
| I'm going to march to the other side where we have a stage where we can speak and occupy peacefully. | ||
| Tell everybody behind you, march to the other side. | ||
| March to the other side. | ||
| You guys are better. | ||
| You guys are great. | ||
| But the police provocateurs have caused a problem. | ||
| And the police are throwing flashbangs. | ||
| We don't want to have a kid state here. | ||
| So, I love you. | ||
| We're saving the republic. | ||
| This is beautiful. | ||
| But please tell everyone you know, march to the other side! | ||
| So there's a dynamic that I think could be explored interestingly by a different documentary than this. | ||
| And that is Alex being unable to control the monsters he creates. | ||
| He has done his part to create the exact situation that unfolded on January 6th. | ||
| And here he is yelling in a bullhorn, unable to stop people from doing the thing he's pretending he doesn't want them to do. | ||
| And that is a kind of sad picture. | ||
| And it's very similar to... | ||
| The way that he's unable to stop his listeners from harassing Sandy Hook parents. | ||
| He created this atmosphere. | ||
| He created this thing. | ||
| And even if he does... | ||
| Like, eventually say, hey, I think kids died. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| He's not able to stop the ball that he started rolling down the hill. | ||
| He can't stop these people from wanting to take over the Capitol after you have yelled into a bullhorn all day about how your vote was stolen from you, and this is illegitimate, and we need to take back our country. | ||
| You have no power over the monster you create. | ||
| You have the power to rile people up and create this atmosphere that you're impotent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's partially because you don't actually want to stop it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so what this reminds me of is, despite him being a horrific, terrible, shitty person, in the book Speaker for the Dead, Orson Scott Card had a character who was, I mean, essentially living out an Alex Jones fantasy. | ||
| So he built up this mob. | ||
| As one would describe it. | ||
| And the way Orson goes through it is that this guy is in control of this situation. | ||
| He builds this mob together and he pulls it. | ||
| And then, without his ability to control it, it becomes a thing. | ||
| It becomes a general consciousness. | ||
| So despite the fact that it's a bunch of different separate individual human beings, it is one mob. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then, the character he's describing... | ||
| He is now the enemy of the mob. | ||
| The character's like, oh, this is a bad idea, and tries to go, hey, mob, let's not do this. | ||
| Guess how it goes. | ||
| They attack him. | ||
| And Alex is honestly lucky that the mob didn't turn on him. | ||
| It is surprising he's alive. | ||
| In that environment, him coming up and being like, hey everybody, no, no, no, stop, don't do this, or whatever. | ||
| It's easy to be like, oh, look at that fucking fed. | ||
| He's telling us not to do the thing that's the natural conclusion of everything he's been saying for the last months. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We've talked about it how many times, but it's like, just because you split infinitives doesn't mean you change the meaning of your sentence. | ||
| True, but you still shouldn't split infinitives. | ||
| I mean, it's just bad writing. | ||
| It's a thing to badly do. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| So, Alex now... | ||
| Poorly goodly done. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That wasn't... | ||
| So, Alex now has had to deal with the fact that Biden won, although he's still in denial about it. | ||
| So now we're on his show. | ||
| Now we've grown up. | ||
| We get to the day of the inauguration and Alex announces the death of America because he's a whiny little titty baby. | ||
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From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, it is zero hour. | ||
| January 20th, 2021. | ||
| And the 46th president of the United States. | ||
| Has just been installed in a giant coup for the globalist and the communist Chinese. | ||
| Joe Biden looking like a corpse with fake hair blowing around. | ||
| It's actually Jim Carrey. | ||
| Can you clearly say America was born July 4th, 1776? | ||
| You can really say it died January 20th, the year 2021. | ||
| Very dramatic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very, very dramatic. | ||
| I mean, in some ways he also has said the Capitol has fallen, you know, just with a different tone. | ||
| The Capitol has fallen in as much as... | ||
| It's the same as ever. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The Capitol was in the hands of the Patriots for a very short period of time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was higher. | ||
| It was Schrodinger's Capitol because it was up for grabs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Once we observed it, well, now we're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I guess, I mean, if you want to be, like, kind of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Here's one... | ||
| Do you know what's crazy? | ||
| I mean, in all honesty, there is a part of that that is the Republican argument against... | ||
| Trump losing the election is like, if you hadn't counted the votes, we wouldn't be here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't say it like that, but yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's one reading of this documentary's arc that I think is not what they intended, but if you want to be really cynical about this and ignore all of the music cues and the entire structure of everything. | ||
| I don't need to walk around in circles, Dan. | ||
| You have basically Alex's, like his whole career, he's this guy who everybody looks down on because he won't compromise his views and he tells the truth no matter what. | ||
| And it's cost him his job because of Waco and all these stations because of 9-11. | ||
| except Obama and all this. | ||
| And then finally he's vindicated in the lead up to the 2020 election and the stop the steal stuff. | ||
| He's finally a man because of Trump who is seen as Trump. | ||
| The guy. | ||
| He's been right all along and we were foolish not to listen to him. | ||
| And then he has this culminatory moment on January 6th and he is completely unable to stop the crowd from taking the logical next step in his rhetoric, which actually doesn't serve his purposes very well. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| It doesn't end up working and then Biden is president. | ||
| And so it's kind of like a deflation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like all of that stuff he was right about really didn't matter. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because Trump lost in 2020, and they weren't able to overthrow the government. | ||
| You know, it is a little bit like, boy, sucks to be impotent. | ||
| Yeah, and politically especially. | ||
| It's partially because there's nothing behind what he's saying. | ||
| There's no meat on the bone, and therefore there's no protein. | ||
| I don't know if that works. | ||
| No, I understand what you're saying. | ||
| You just don't eat meat off the bone, so I can't engage with your metaphor because I just don't believe you. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But it is a little bit like while his speech is going on, you know, right before the end whenever nobody pays attention to him. | ||
| If you'd played the Benny Hill theme song, same thing. | ||
| Or Cantina theme. | ||
| Ah, come on! | ||
| We can't go back to that well too many times. | ||
| It's in a cantina! | ||
| Fine. | ||
| So, there's one scene left in the documentary, and it's closing with Alex and his son out shooting. | ||
| And... | ||
| Wow, it really humanizes them, right? | ||
| This is the image that it wants to leave you with. | ||
| The documentary wants to leave you with this image of him and his son shooting guns and having some family time. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And then this clip ends with a really wistful clip from Alex's past. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Refused. | ||
| It's the wrong message to end this with. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He really just needs a space where he can roam and be free. | ||
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He's like a buffalo. | |
| Hey, Rex! | ||
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Let's go shoot. | |
| I've known her 27 years, and I've never thought about how is this going to affect me. | ||
| My fear is a failure, not a death. | ||
| But they could put me in prison, or they could kill me at any time. | ||
| I just hope that I can do the best job I can to maintain doing good work in the future, however long that is. | ||
| And I've already had a great life. | ||
| Get that whole cloud back, Nolan. | ||
| Is the sun setting on America and representative democracy? | ||
| Or is it rising on a new day of people that are well informed? | ||
| So a young Alex is monologuing over video of a really beautiful sunset. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And it's like, go fuck yourself. | ||
| It's not only that you haven't earned this, you've earned the opposite. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's one last clip. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| No, keep going. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this is just where that thought ends. | ||
| So you have the shot of the sunset, and then this is Alex coming in with the parting shot of the documentary. | ||
| The weirdness I've seen in my life, the bizarre happenings, just the incredible discoveries that I've been blessed to be part of. | ||
| Truth is stranger than fiction. | ||
| And that's not because I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| It's because of the time we live in such an incredible time right now. | ||
| But really my personal best moments of my life are feeling that Zen understanding of timelessness and those moments in eternity that are endless. | ||
| Those are the best moments of my life. | ||
| And really realizing that we're just part of, you know, I remember when Amitabha Buddha said, shoot me in the fucking face if that asshole talks about me. | ||
| And you know that it's not going to go exactly how you want it to, but there's going to be a goal at the end you reach that's better for everybody. | ||
| And you know it's going to be painful. | ||
| You know you're going to make mistakes. | ||
| You know you're going to hurt people on the way, but you're doing it from a place of goodness. | ||
| And so you forgive yourself for that. | ||
| And it's that process of being destroyed that by the end you're complete. | ||
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I want to die. | |
| Kill me. | ||
| Right now, in this hotel room. | ||
| It's a fairly tacky way to end the documentary. | ||
| It doesn't get better than this for me to die. | ||
| I mean, what am I going to do? | ||
| What is better than this? | ||
| I gotta say, I think ending the documentary with Alex expressing forgiveness for himself is maybe not the way to go. | ||
| I'm really grateful that I'm allowed to be not responsible for any of my actions ever. | ||
| It's possibly... | ||
| Offensively indulgent. | ||
| I mean, you know, here's how this ends. | ||
| Here's how this ends in a good world. | ||
| Animal House? | ||
| Freeze frame? | ||
| Words saying, Alex is on the lam, never seen again. | ||
| That's as good as we can do for this documentary. | ||
| So if you're making this documentary and it doesn't end like that, then you're fucking done. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| On the release date of this documentary, Alex is in court and his lawyer is being a complete asshole to Sandy Hook families. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Congratulations, you fuck. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
|
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Boy! | |
| Unbelievable. | ||
| This documentary sucks. | ||
| I mean, I guess I could have just summed it up that way, but instead we spent two and a half hours. | ||
| We would have had nothing to talk about. | ||
| So many more things we need to talk about from the trial updates and what have you. | ||
| I mean, there's been so much action. | ||
| I think a lot of people who are probably interested have been following you on Twitter with your live tweeting. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, that's fun and silly. | ||
| And there's a little more context to talking about what actually has happened. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| And I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| What I'm trying to do is just InfoWars, InfoWars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I saw that tweet. | ||
| I'm not doing a good job as a journalist in any sense of the word. | ||
| Well, you cited a source when I told you about the St. Rose of Lima. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Well, I would never not give you credit for You're telling me something. | ||
| So your journalism is alright. | ||
| Well, hey, at least I give credit where credit is due. | ||
| I even credited Eugene Merman when I stole one of his jokes today. | ||
| Man of the sea. | ||
| Man of the sea. | ||
| So what's your summation, if you have a thought? | ||
| It is quite simply that Mark is... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Not of the case. | ||
| Of the documentary. | ||
| Oh, of the documentary. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I got mixed up. | ||
| All of these infinitives are so split! | ||
| I was like, wait, your summation of this has to do with Mark. | ||
| He was in this for two seconds. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| My summation of the documentary is... | ||
| What if you made a bad porn movie that was just two and a half hours of somebody... | ||
| Gradually, ever so slowly, poking at a limp penis. | ||
| Does that work for you? | ||
| It's late. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I understand it's late. | ||
| I understand it's late. | ||
| I'm just trying to justify your metaphor. | ||
| My imagery is undeniable. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I think that this movie, as a whole, is kind of excusable to a point. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| We have different opinions. | ||
| Well, I think the way that you talk about Alex's career in terms of, like, Oklahoma City, 9-11, if you want to portray that as kind of mythological and this false version of it, whatever, you're creating this mythos. | ||
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It's a movie. | |
| It's a movie, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a puff piece at its core, so if you're going to do that, you're going to do that, and whatever. | ||
| I think... | ||
| The framing of Sandy Hook as just something that people are mad about because he supported Trump is an unexcusable and editorial choice that these documentary filmmakers are making. | ||
| And I think they should be deeply ashamed of themselves. | ||
| I think that anybody who watches this documentary like Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi and they don't come away with the same kind of conclusion, I think that they have lost it. | ||
| I don't think it's possible to watch this documentary and think, hey, you know what? | ||
| It's responsible to choose to make this. | ||
| This is why people don't talk about us, Dan. | ||
| We're right. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| Well, I mean, look. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| Fuck this documentary. | ||
| We gotta stop doing this. | ||
| We gotta do other shit. | ||
| Let's be wrong about things differently and loudly. | ||
| No, I don't think that's gonna work for us. | ||
| We're gonna hate each other. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall trying to make a summation other than, like, this sucks. | ||
| This sucks! | ||
| It's just bad. | ||
| I mean, it's bad. | ||
| I think even some of the stuff is confusing. | ||
| Some of the musical choices, not the ones that are, like, really tacky and the crescendos that are, like... | ||
| Overly dramatic. | ||
| Some of the other ones are very weird to the point where I had to pause a couple times because I thought something like a pop-up started playing music. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| That can't be right. | ||
| So I think some of the filmmaking itself is actually a little bit bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, like, here's another thing that we haven't touched on is, like, what about all of Alex's friends? | ||
| Like, what about Pacenic? | ||
| I'm sorry, who? | ||
| What about Pachanek? | ||
| Name one. | ||
| What about Leo Zagami? | ||
| What about all of these guests that he's had on over the years who are complete lunatics? | ||
| What about Big Jim Tucker, the Nazi-adjacent guy who was his Bilderberg source? | ||
| What about Daniel Estelin, his other Bilderberg source who credits a spaceman in his book about Bilderberg? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, what about these people? | ||
| Like, honestly, you're missing a big part of his story if you don't recognize that a lot of his information comes from fucking wackos. | ||
| Right, but what you're missing is that this is actually... | ||
| Okay, and I feel like I now understand the documentary. | ||
| I've come to the conclusion that what this documentary is about is that a man, at one point in time... | ||
| If he had chosen not to do a Rush Limbaugh impression, could have joined the Vespers choir. | ||
| And instead he chose one path. | ||
| It is a classic poetic tale of a man who can go down two paths. | ||
| There's a beauty to that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It is kind of haunting in its gorgeousness. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| I think the next one probably will be about the Glenn Greenwald thing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| We may be able to also have a court recap in that. | ||
| Because we can maybe make it a bumble episode or something. | ||
| Now that we can record, I would be shocked at how much we record. | ||
| I'm not turning any of this off. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely not. | ||
| I'm not touching it. | ||
| This is what we're doing. | ||
| We're leaving the live stream on like the courtroom. | ||
| There's no live stream. | ||
| So everybody can just occasionally listen to us talk. | ||
| And watch me sleep. | ||
| So, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do! | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at go to bed, Jordan, and at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| And it's super late, so I'm going to tell you, go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| You too! | ||
| No, I have to get this episode out. | ||
| Oh, no, that's right. | ||
| You're going to be up for until three days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, Saturday? | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, and... | ||
| I'm just ranting. | ||
| The whole thing's horse shit. | ||
| It's all just insane. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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