#708: The Cuck-Destroyer Destroys The Stage
Today, Dan and Jordan give a little court update and then decompress by deconstructing Owen Shroyer's recent debut as a stand-up comedian. This kid is going places!
July 30, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:14:41
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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You're on the air. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a Christian. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
|
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around in a hotel room and worship Celine from afar and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan! | ||
|
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Jordan! | |
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is just like getting it... | ||
| I had such high hopes of being able to get an episode about that documentary out on the day it was released, and I thought there's no way I'm going to be able to manage doing that. | ||
| And, you know, perseverance, stick-to-itiveness. | ||
| Whatever you want to call it. | ||
| Persistence. | ||
| We managed to do it, and I'm proud of us for it. | ||
| Although, at press time, no response from Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Still! | ||
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Still! | |
| Or Matt Taibbi. | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| Nothing for me. | ||
| No soul-searching posts on Substack. | ||
| Haven't seen them be like, this is why we're re-examining our life choices. | ||
| Not one of them. | ||
| I want to question why I didn't think it was weird that Sandy Hook came up in the context of why people are mad at Alex. | ||
| Just because of Trump! | ||
| Yeah, nonsense. | ||
| But I'm glad that we were able to do that. | ||
| Because, you know... | ||
| I think that there's such a whirlwind of Alex going on right now that it's so easy for things to get lost. | ||
| And that seemed too important to the larger body of Alex Apologia. | ||
| I wanted to make sure that wasn't missed. | ||
| Also, you know what else I remembered? | ||
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What's that? | |
| I fucked up. | ||
| I forgot to bring up one very important thing that wasn't in the documentary. | ||
| Reset Wars. | ||
| That's the most important thing that wasn't in the documentary. | ||
| The crowning achievement of Alex's life, the culmination of his career, Reset Wars, not in the documentary about his career. | ||
| You are right. | ||
| You are right. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| No mention of, like, Cleon Skousen. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| Well, my bright spot is going to piggyback on yours because yours is very magnanimous in saying that we got it done. | ||
| But while we stayed up late until 3.30 or 4 this morning, you worked all the way until 10 a.m. | ||
| this morning when most people, they would have said, hey, 3.30, I'm just going to go to sleep. | ||
| I'll do it tomorrow. | ||
| And then the episode would have been out at 9 p.m. | ||
| at night. | ||
| That is not how you fucking work, Dan. | ||
| I don't want to go to bed until a task is done, if it's possible. | ||
| Yeah, and you'll fight like hell to make it possible, and that is my bright spot, man. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that, but I also want to say, just for the sake of total transparency, it wasn't... | ||
| You liar. | ||
| It was more like 6 central time. | ||
| Yes, everybody... | ||
| 10 a.m. somewhere. | ||
| You know, people really rely on me not to be hyperbolic. | ||
| Well, actually, you know what Jimmy Buffett says. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| 10 a.m. somewhere. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| I have found something that I think will be a bit of fun. | ||
| For folks. | ||
| Delight. | ||
| Something a little bit more, you know, not as impactful. | ||
| Not as hard as the trial. | ||
| Not as hard as the documentary. | ||
| And the Greenwald Q&A is still off in the horizon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're going to do that soon. | ||
| We're gonna have fun? | ||
| This is an amuse-bouche. | ||
| Oh, I need an amuse-bouche. | ||
| Your mouth will be amused. | ||
| My bouche is needing to be amused! | ||
| But also, one of the things that I wanted to do was take an opportunity to... | ||
| Talk a little bit about the trial itself and how things are going on and give folks a little bit of a recap because obviously that's something that's in a lot of people's minds. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We're recording this here on Friday just after the case has adjourned. | ||
| Yeah, for the day. | ||
| For the weekend. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| TGIF, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank. | ||
|
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Gritty. | |
| They did mention Philadelphia earlier. | ||
| Thank gritty, it's fritters. | ||
| Thank gritty, it's fritters. | ||
| I'm hungry. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| So yeah, I feel like you've been keeping a real watchful eye on this case. | ||
| Have I? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I mean, I did go back because I read a lot of what I wrote today. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| And I do think that I could be making all of this up. | ||
| If you read through that... | ||
| That is a made-up... | ||
| There's no way that any of that is real based on a real thing. | ||
| I'm clearly hallucinating in my hotel room after we recorded until 3 a.m. last night. | ||
| That must be what happened today. | ||
| I think if that were the case, you'd have a lot more people responding to your tweets with, like, I'm worried about you because I'm watching the stream and this is not at all what's happened. | ||
| Well, I have had some I'm worried about Jews, but not for that reason. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| But that's kind of par for the course. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it was... | ||
| Today was, I mean, it started with Owen being a piece of shit who was trying to, Owen was trying to be like that Stonewall witness where he's like, you know, I don't know if you can prove I said that. | ||
| You know, he was trying to do that whole thing. | ||
| Press a button. | ||
| It was just annoying until he left. | ||
| The jurors asked him some questions that were quite funny. | ||
| The story of today is the jurors' questions as time went on, right? | ||
| They started off being very simple, and then by the end of the day, they are wondering who is and is not a lizard person in the courtroom. | ||
| So to give some context for anybody who's not aware of how this is working, Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And people can object to the questions. | |
| The judge can say, I'm not going to ask that. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Which he did. | ||
| So you can't shitpost too hard. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| But yeah, the progression of these questions has, if you're Alex or his lawyer, you cannot feel good about some of these questions and the way that they are being phrased. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is hard not to think that the defense is like, here's what we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to red pill these people, and that's how we'll get off of this. | ||
| And those questions near the end of the day have got me thinking that the opposite is true. | ||
| Well, actually, we don't know tone. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It could be, are you a lizard person? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| We could be totally misreading this whole thing. | ||
| I wish that weren't a possibility, but I will put it at maybe 15, 20%. | ||
| Yeah, I feel quite low as odds. | ||
| Yeah, and then they play. | ||
| We played some depositions. | ||
| Rob Jacobson's deposition. | ||
| The Kraken. | ||
| The Kraken. | ||
| Badandi's deposition, which was so funny. | ||
| Listening to him talk about how much he loves InfoWars and how close he is with them and how they're his favorite people, juxtaposed next to Daria being like, I don't know if I've ever even heard of Badandi before. | ||
| Badandi's under oath. | ||
| He's like, Daria still sends me cards on my birthday. | ||
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Absolutely! | |
| She loans my daughter money. | ||
| Like, it's that kind of thing. | ||
| She got me a crackin' plushie. | ||
| Yes, it was that. | ||
| But we're laughing about that, but at the same time, there is a pathos to that, because it is like this guy is being used by them. | ||
| Not to absolve him of any of his actions. | ||
| He would have done these things probably on his own. | ||
| But he's being egged on and directed in some way and validated and probably told by Alex that you're part of the family and all this as it's going on. | ||
| And then once it's inconvenient and incredibly... | ||
| Oh, it's not good. | ||
| To be too close with Badandi, you immediately cut bait and be like, nah. | ||
| Never heard of him. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Never heard of this guy. | ||
| It's kind of sad. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Because he was really expressing just various versions of like, it feels good to get a good boy from Alex, you know? | ||
| I imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of what he was saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| I guess, you know, the upswing of it is, or I guess maybe the justice of it is, because there is that little bit of pathos, maybe we can feel okay that Badandi himself is not getting sued. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You know, like, maybe that's how he gets off the hook, or whatever. | ||
| Sure, yeah, I mean, it is a little bit like Badandi's... | ||
| Deposition kind of makes him look to be more the gun and not somebody who is firing it. | ||
| So it's like, well, I mean, I know he's a person, but also he's a person shaped like a gun that doesn't think real well. | ||
| So that's kind of a problem there. | ||
| Yeah, and if he's convinced that Sandy Hook is a false flag or whatever, and he makes one video yelling at somebody about it, and no one cares, odds are there's not going to be a second video. | ||
| Odds are this isn't going to keep going, but... | ||
| If you have a platform like Alex's show, like the nightly news on Infowars, that's willing to validate and disseminate your content and connect you with Wolfgang Halbig, it's encouraging in a way that, again, I don't know if we can prove it, but I would say probably... | ||
| Facilitates. | ||
| It kind of makes it happen. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Makes it happen more. | ||
| And that is what the afternoon's testimony was almost entirely about. | ||
| Becca Lewis, hero to the Squatch forever. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that, and she did do a great job on the stand, but the Squatch has no heroes. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| We haven't spoken yet. | ||
| I'm nominating her. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Potential hero for the Squatch. | ||
| The council has not yet voted. | ||
| It's not official. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But she did a spectacular job explaining the difference between what happens whenever you post on Facebook and what happens when you post on Infowars, you know? | ||
| And while it seems like that's a very easy thing for people to just instinctively grasp around, it is kind of complicated whenever you start getting into what it is that it means to post on Facebook. | ||
| You know, you get 100 shares or whatever and you think, "Wow, I'm a media organization." As opposed to when Infowars posts something, maybe it says 100, but because it's Infowars, Well, and it's kind of hard to recognize now in 2020. | ||
| and even over the past few years, the different nature of what Facebook was like in 2012, 2013, 2014. | ||
| Like it was not the same website I think so. | ||
| I think that it was... | ||
| It was less an unusable website. | ||
| It wasn't as much of a place where people's grandparent chain emails would basically be reposted over and over again. | ||
| Or maybe it was, but that was confined to smaller spaces. | ||
| It was for groups of people who all hated gardening but somehow wanted to talk Nazis. | ||
| And then, to your point, too, with the, like, if you have 100 shares or whatever... | ||
| And the hundred people who are sharing it are people who have an audience of two. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, it's a distorted image of a hundred shares. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it's real, but it's not as impactful as two shares from influential accounts. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, Becca did a great job. | ||
| She was fantastic on the stand. | ||
| And I thought it was interesting to watch the defense try and do the cross. | ||
| My God. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I don't even know how to describe that guy's performance today. | ||
| I think that was... | ||
| Today, I really did feel like... | ||
| I tweeted this, and I don't want to repeat tweets, but that's terrible. | ||
| Who are you, Doug Benson, doing a stand-up special? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But... | ||
| Today really felt like the first day that Infowars tried to put the system on trial. | ||
| Instead of Infowars being cross-examined and like, here's why you guys are terrible. | ||
| This was Shitball's first attempt to be like, here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm going to prove that you're a liar. | ||
| I'm going to prove that you aren't an expert at all. | ||
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What is Harvard Law School or Oxford Law School? | |
| Can you walk me through an entire statistics class? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It was very much that. | ||
| It was like Alex's questions for somebody who actually knows something, and they do not sound good in a courtroom. | ||
| No. | ||
| I found that to be a little blah. | ||
| So over the course of the last few days, too, there have been some things that have gone on. | ||
| There has been, I think, probably the biggest moments outside of the rolling thunder of Daria's horrible performance that went on way too long. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| Exhausting. | ||
| But I think, honestly, most of that is stuff that relates at least sort of... | ||
| Tangentially to stuff we covered in the deposition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't know if anything happened in the courtroom that is more shocking than Daria saying that Super Bowl image is an image of hope. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| An expression of hope. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so I don't want to dwell too much on it because... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Other people have talked about it. | ||
| Dari was trending on Twitter. | ||
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Great. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But the two things I think stick out are obviously the fight that Mark and the defense attorney got into. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| A little fun. | ||
| Hey, it's Texas. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Texas justice. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| We're going to leave without a fight? | ||
| I think they should have had a duel. | ||
| I think they might still. | ||
| And then the other thing was Owen being chastised for going on Infowars and talking about the case and the moment of him saying that his lawyer had not told him about the rules of him being a witness and not being able to talk to other witnesses and not being able to talk about the case. | ||
| That was... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| If there was a moment that was needed to be like, this is disrespectful, that really filled that gap. | ||
| You know, I knew where we'd be, but still, I thought that when the actual trial happened, and I don't know why I thought this, I feel like a fool, because I still had that thought in the back of my mind. | ||
| Even though I knew, here's what I'm going to do, I'm going to expect the worst, it's still in my head. | ||
| I was like, At the actual trial, they will have prepared something. | ||
| Ha ha ha. | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I mean nothing! | ||
| Well, they might have prepared emotionally to be this brazen. | ||
| I don't know if there's a way to prepare to be this brazen. | ||
| I think you're born with this kind of a gift. | ||
| I think it involves whiskey. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would need it. | ||
| The cantina theme. | ||
| Yeah, so I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting for me to look at it. | ||
| And recognize that, like, I think that there is a not insignificant amount of our audience who are watching the live stream of the trial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so any discussion of some of that would be redundant. | ||
| There's a recognition that I have, too, that a lot of outlets are covering the trial. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And some of them are people who have a better understanding of law than me. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Opening Arguments did an episode that came out, I believe, today about the case. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
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Yeah, and so, I don't know. | |
| I feel that I'm at my best when we're talking about things that other people aren't talking about. | ||
| And when there's other coverage of things, I kind of feel like we'll end up just being another voice. | ||
| And that's not to say that we shouldn't talk about the trial at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| And we can talk about our feelings on it, but... | ||
| I don't have as much of an interest in doing a play-by-play on it like I would with the documentary. | ||
| At least until it's over. | ||
| Well, I mean, the reality of it is, in our context, is that what is happening is they're just being forced to listen to all of the evidence that has been presented against them. | ||
| Not necessarily collected by you specifically, just that that's what our show is, too. | ||
| You know, and they're just there looking at it. | ||
| And it would be redundant for us to cover it because it's the same stuff we have covered. | ||
| You know, they're just presenting the evidence that we've spent five years talking about. | ||
| To these dumb people's faces! | ||
| And, yeah, so I think, you know, it's a little bit brief in terms of, like, a court recap, but... | ||
| The right amount. | ||
| Check in on Jordan's Twitter. | ||
| Go to bed, Jordan, if you want a lot of thoughts. | ||
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A lot. | |
| A torrential barrage of bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll have more, you know, talk with some of the folks who maybe have a better insight on some of the stuff in coming days. | ||
| What have you. | ||
| But Jordan, I told you, we have something a little bit fun. | ||
| And so that's something we're going to get into today. | ||
| I'm about it. | ||
| Now, one of the reasons that we're putting this out here on Friday evening, like as I guess a de facto Saturday episode. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Is because why not? | ||
| We're here in Austin. | ||
| We can record. | ||
| We can do whatever the fuck we want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No rules. | ||
| No, we're producing. | ||
| Texas justice. | ||
| We're producing way too much content and how dare you defy us! | ||
| And so we got to get this out because it's a special time for comedians. | ||
| And that is JFL auditions. | ||
| People just got JFL nods. | ||
| No! | ||
| Today! | ||
| I think it was the other day, maybe a couple days back. | ||
| But I saw that our old friend, actually I don't know if they're one of your old friends, but somebody that I knew and was friendly with back when they lived in Chicago, Ever Maynard, got new faces. | ||
| No shit! | ||
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Ever did? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, congratulations! | |
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, I don't know. | ||
| They are great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| And I got in this mood of thinking about stand-up, and it's really... | ||
| Really fortunate because on Band.Video, Owen Schroyer released an 18-minute video that is titled, Owen Schroyer Does a Stand-Up Special. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, so we're going to talk about Owen Schroyer's stand-up special. | ||
| Did he get a JFL nod? | ||
| Because if he gets one and I have never gotten one, I am going to be mad. | ||
| I'm going to be furious. | ||
| You've never auditioned, I don't think. | ||
| Well, nobody's ever even asked me. | ||
| That's how bad it is. | ||
| Nobody's ever even considered asking me, so we don't need to worry about the audition. | ||
| I auditioned one year. | ||
| I was asked to audition one year, and I did it at CYSK, and it was painfully clear. | ||
| Even going into it, who they were interested in seeing, and then they just had to pad out the rest of the show. | ||
| So it was very nice that the producers asked me to be a part of that padding. | ||
| Be padding out of the show, yeah! | ||
| You're meat in the room! | ||
| But it was so fucking clear, like, alright, these are the four people that have a shot. | ||
| The rest of you, if you torpedo this fucking room, then maybe... | ||
| We'll consider it, but you don't really have a shot. | ||
| Yeah, it is fun whenever you go there and you're like, oh, you came here with your agents and we all came by ourselves. | ||
| We're not going to JFL, are we? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| So this was at a Bryson Gray, who is a right-wing rapper slash comedian slash... | ||
| Public figure. | ||
| Maga figure. | ||
| Real renaissance man. | ||
| Let's call him that. | ||
| I don't know too much about him, actually, because I think that he lives mostly in the war room guest sphere. | ||
| I've seen him less. | ||
| I don't know if I even remember him being on InfoWars, but I'm sure he has been. | ||
| I'm sure he's been on with Alex. | ||
| Yeah, he's a guy who's running a little bit of a show. | ||
| Uh, in San Antonio. | ||
| In San Antone? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Oh, and we missed it? | ||
| We could have been there! | ||
| I think we actually could have. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| I think it might have been on the day that we got to town, so it might have been impossible. | ||
| We flew into the wrong city! | ||
| Um, so this had, uh, that, uh, who else was on the list that night? | ||
| You had a couple- Our friend Aver Mayne. | ||
| No. | ||
| The, uh, there were two people from 2000 Mules, but not Dinesh D'Souza. | ||
| To the other people involved in 2,000 viewers. | ||
| There was that MAGA rapper who did that song with Roger Stone, where Roger Stone was dancing. | ||
| I just don't do it, you know? | ||
| Whenever the MAGA people have their culture that they insist is something we might describe as rap or something we might describe as humor, I disagree with them on the principle. | ||
| It's not rap or funny, so I'm done. | ||
| I have to be honest, sick flows. | ||
| Well, then I guess I take it back. | ||
| I should tell you, it's Twister. | ||
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The fastest rapper in the world. | |
| Methamphetamine lyrics? | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| So, here is Owen's introduction. | ||
| You gotta come out of the gate strong. | ||
| Obviously, you want, if you're someone who's maybe starting to get into the world of stand-up and you want a little bit of advice, one of the things is strong opener, strong closer. | ||
| You know, the old saying, you know, your best joke is last and your second best joke is first. | ||
| That's the way you do it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You can tread water for a little while in the middle and get away with it. | ||
| If you open strong, close strong. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So here's Owen opening. | ||
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How's everybody doing tonight? | |
| We got any tacos out there? | ||
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Huh? | |
| We love tacos! | ||
| That's how they see you. | ||
| You know, they say, oh, look, it's a taco. | ||
| Did he... | ||
| Seriously, though, how is everybody doing? | ||
| You gotta be doing better than Joe Biden, right? | ||
| I'm better than Joe Biden. | ||
| Pretty amazing. | ||
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He announces he has cancer and barely even makes news. | |
| So, hey, the president's got cancer anyway. | ||
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Kim Kardashian just had a boob job. | |
| Woo! | ||
| So the tacos thing, that was that Jill Biden comment. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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That she had made where she was talking about the Hispanic population as diverse as the bodegas in the Bronx. | |
| Right. | ||
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The breakfast tacos. | |
| And obviously the point that she was making is not an offensive one. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But boy, was it. | |
| Oh, they got her. | ||
| They got her. | ||
| No, but she should have reconsidered the way. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, that's bad. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I guess it was pretty recent, I guess, to when he did this stand-up special. | ||
| And so coming out with the topical, hey, we got any tacos out there? | ||
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Oof. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hey, that's what they call ya! | ||
| That's what they call you when I'm calling you that too. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they call you. | ||
| I introduced you and greeted you that way without performing the contextual that would give you the idea that I'm above that. | ||
| But it's so widely known within this space that you don't even need to explain. | ||
| I need to explain to you and our listeners probably. | ||
| But yeah, they know it so well because it's been the top headline in every right-wing blog. | ||
| Jill Biden calls Mexican people This is absurd. | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| I have no idea about that whatsoever, and that's just the most famous thing in the right. | ||
| And this is also a caution to people who want to get into stand-up. | ||
| Be careful about whether or not you think your material will age. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| This is tired a week later. | ||
| Oh, so tired. | ||
| It's already unrelatable. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, it was easier for Jon Stewart to shit-talk gaffs. | ||
| You know, the late night shows, they talk the gaffes. | ||
| Oh, look at the president. | ||
| He said this, you know? | ||
| And then it's gone tomorrow because it's a very throwaway joke. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you don't need it. | ||
| And if you're saying it out loud on stage, you should stop being on stage. | ||
| Well, and then it's just another gaffe of Biden, you know. | ||
| Hey, he's got cancer. | ||
| But also that did make the news. | ||
| People were talking about that. | ||
| That's how he knows about it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's not like he was following Biden around like, oh, everybody's lying about you, but thanks for hanging out and having cancer with me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, this wasn't a gaffe, but I was reflecting on it. | ||
| I made a reference to somebody being like, now watch me sink this three, and I didn't realize it, but what I was trying to pull up in my memory was that George W. Bush, he was giving a press speech on a golf course, and he was talking about Iraq, and then he's like... | ||
| And now, watch this drive. | ||
| That's right! | ||
| I had forgotten that that's what was in my mind. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Taken outside of all of the context of it being George W. Bush and talking about Iraq, it's a pretty baller movie. | ||
| Did he get a good drive? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| It was like science. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| That is terrible. | ||
| Now watch this drive. | ||
| It's such a funny thing to say to the media. | ||
| You can't be president if you say that. | ||
| That should be it. | ||
| Again, I'm not saying that we need to make big, grand laws. | ||
| I'm saying that we should make more targeted, very specific laws. | ||
| If you say that to the media, you immediately stop being president. | ||
| I feel like that's fair! | ||
| The question that arises from that is, was that an attempt to be funny? | ||
| Was that something that was just like, he uncomfortably said it, and it ended up being... | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Amazingly disrespectful and very funny. | ||
| Knowing W, the way that we all do after these so many years, I imagine he just really wanted to hit the drive, and they kept asking him questions, and so eventually he lost interest in what they were doing, and was like, I'm gonna go hit this drive, I'm the president! | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So Biden's got cancer, but he doesn't, but the media didn't cover it, but they did. | ||
| Oh, yeah, well. | ||
| And so Owen decides to develop this theme a little bit of sicknesses that Biden has. | ||
| Oh, so he's turning this into a bit, not necessarily just a joke. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, but apparently he has COVID, too. | ||
| You've heard of this, right? | ||
| Joe Biden has COVID. | ||
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It's funny how everything changed as soon as Biden got COVID, right? | |
| Oh, tracing, tracking, spreading. | ||
| Get that. | ||
| He's going around. | ||
| He's in the drill. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You guys want us to start a war with Iran? | ||
| I'm fine, though. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Then he goes to Saudi Arabia. | ||
| He does the fist bump. | ||
| Saudi Arabia's like, oh, Biden's here. | ||
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Oh, OK. | |
| I turned on the lights off. | ||
| He's gonna need to take a nap. | ||
|
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We'll get 20 minutes to take a little nap, and see if we can talk about him after that. | |
| No, but you noticed, uh... | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| You know one thing about stand-up that I think a lot of people who are like, I could do stand-up, right? | ||
| It is a little bit like saying, oh, I could just go sing the national anthem in front of the Staples Center. | ||
| Where you're like... | ||
| Sure, maybe you know how to sing. | ||
| You could physically do it. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But you don't know what the song actually sounds like, and so when you sing it, you're kind of like... | ||
| And stand-up has a music and a rhythm and a vibe to it, and if you are singing a bad song, that's going to happen. | ||
| And you also don't really know what you're going to feel when it doesn't go the way you expect. | ||
| And unless you've done it a lot of times, that can be really disorienting. | ||
| And you can end up in situations like we just heard there. | ||
| Like, he has no control over the audience. | ||
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Nope. | |
| There's yelling shit out. | ||
| And then... | ||
| They're yelling diseases. | ||
| Just like, dementia! | ||
| Lyme disease! | ||
| Now, I will say that I do like this COVID. | ||
| You hear about this? | ||
| There is a bit of... | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| If he weren't doing it like he was trying to do a bit, if he were accidentally or maybe even on purpose saying it like that, that would be funny, but unfortunately. | ||
| Sort of like an anti-comedy kind of way. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Also, Biden went to those countries before he was diagnosed with COVID. | ||
| Also, we stopped tracking and tracing way before Biden never got it. | ||
| I actually would bet that there has been some attempts at tracking and tracing, given that... | ||
| Oh, around, yeah. | ||
| Given the people that he has contact with. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, those trips that he was mentioning were not after. | ||
| Biden canceled like a domestic trip because of COVID. | ||
| He was on screen the entirety of his COVID time, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, he was never outside. | ||
| So look, they wish him well with the COVID. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Owen does. | ||
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You know, we don't want COVID to kill Joe Biden, right? | |
| This is going to add well. | ||
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I hope Joe Biden dies from COVID. | |
| You guys never saw that, right? | ||
| This is going to go great. | ||
| The cancer would be just fine. | ||
| No, no, I'm kidding. | ||
| Why? | ||
| That has structure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not that great, but it has structure of a joke. | ||
| And then I like the lull, and then the just kidding, and then someone yelling, no you're not! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was a very, that is kind of an interesting thing about the rights version of humor. | ||
| You know, they have the structure of a joke, but they just say something they believe. | ||
| You know, like, I don't want him to die of COVID, I want him to die of cancer. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| And so he wasn't joking. | ||
| Maybe, but if you just look at it from a purely comedic perspective, it's a misdirect. | ||
| It is a classic misdirect, yes. | ||
| And congratulations, Owen. | ||
| You pulled that off, kind of. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
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Now... | |
| There is just a better... | ||
| That's a punch-up-able joke, though. | ||
| I mean, you don't go from COVID to cancer. | ||
| You escalate it into a completely different territory. | ||
| You know, we don't want them to die of COVID. | ||
| We want them to be hit by a giant rubber duck. | ||
| You know, you really push it to the absurd. | ||
| Yeah, that might be helpful, but I think that there's something about the resonant... | ||
| Sound. | ||
| COVID. | ||
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Cancer. | |
| You're not wrong. | ||
| You're not wrong about that. | ||
| Maybe that's where he's sitting there with a pen and a pad. | ||
| The C's. | ||
| I think I gotta go with it. | ||
| The sound is usable for humor much better than many others. | ||
| Yeah, maybe instead you should say he should be drowned in caca. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| Boom! | ||
| It is not hard to punch up this joke. | ||
| But he'd already established the cancer earlier, so I think you're kind of boxed in. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But Biden doesn't have cancer. | ||
| No, but the truth is, Biden, he actually misspoke. | ||
| He didn't mean to say that he has cancer. | ||
| What he meant to say was that he is a cancer. | ||
| Ah, clapped her. | ||
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It's true. | |
| Biden is truly the cancer, but hopefully we can get rid of it. | ||
| But did you hear though, this weekend, the Biden administration has announced that they have saved you gas money. | ||
| Have you heard this? | ||
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They lower the gas prices by 60 cents. | |
| They said, they're bragging about it. | ||
|
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Wow, maybe now I can buy a stick of gum. | |
| If I save up long enough, maybe I can even have a whole pack. | ||
| Thank you so much, Biden administration. | ||
| Oh, is he done? | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Is it like 60 cents a gallon, or what is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's no context for this. | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't put the same amount of gas in your tank every time. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Is it 60 cents a barrel? | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, is this a joke? | ||
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I guess it is. | |
| Does he just think he's funny? | ||
| He just thinks he's funny all the time. | ||
| I would assume that a lot of his life revolves around people affirming that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people yelling, you get him, cuck destroyer, and stuff like that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah, I think that there's an intrinsic problem with this, and that is that they've been complaining. | ||
| That gas prices are too high for a very long time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're making fun of somebody achieving that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's a problem. | ||
| And then the second problem is that does he not think that Trump has bragged about way smaller reductions in gas prices? | ||
| I don't think you understand how humor works. | ||
| Look, I understand that sometimes you want to just, you know... | ||
| Swing a big bat or whatever with a joke. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But there are just structural problems at the point that he's trying to make. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I think what's fun about it is that for the far right, right, you know how we hate comedians who are like, hey, everybody give it up for the troops in order to get a huge, easy applause break? | ||
| For the far right, apparently you get an easy applause break if you're like, Biden is a cancer, and that's it. | ||
| You're the one! | ||
| Well, they fucking hate what they see as, like, virtue signaling in comedy and stuff. | ||
| Despise it. | ||
| Yeah, and what is that but that? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's way different. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because it's mean. | ||
| Well, I guess you could argue that it's elevated from pure virtue signaling because he's saying he doesn't have cancer, he is cancer. | ||
| So there's, like, a linguistic twist that he's using. | ||
| But it's elementary. | ||
| But look, Biden, Joe, not the only Biden. | ||
| There's another Biden. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Well, actually, there's a third Biden, because we already talked about Jill Biden's taco comment. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| We're talking about the dog. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, we're talking about... | ||
| Hunter. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Biden is just the beginning of this disastrous family. | ||
| How about Hunter, huh? | ||
| In fact, in fact, we haven't seen Hunter in a while. | ||
| I was coming in, I noticed that there was a strip club. | ||
| What? | ||
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Hunter can be anywhere right now. | |
| Yeah, it's funny because he's horny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, there's a strip club. | ||
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All right. | |
| So, Owen is in San Antonio. | ||
| Is there any reason to assume Hunter Biden would be in San Antonio? | ||
| Or is it just a random strip club that Owen saw and he thought, hey, there's boobs in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's put these two together. | ||
| How can I turn this into something that is going to, let's say, break ground in the industry. | ||
| And it killed. | ||
| Yeah, it really did. | ||
| It really did. | ||
| So now that Hunter has come up. | ||
| I have to say that I think that this next clip, this joke that he has about Hunter Biden, I think is as close as you're going to get to a good bit. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| There's legs here. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| He needs to do some work on it. | ||
| I would recommend him hit some open mics. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Think about what he's trying to say a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's something here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But I think about Hunter a lot because I have to cover his news. | |
| And this is a guy who does a lot of videography, right? | ||
| I mean, he just shoots a lot of videotape every day. | ||
| I do a lot of videography. | ||
| There's a process there. | ||
| I'm trying to think of this process. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Undermined walks into Best Buy. | ||
| And the clerk comes over to the entertainer driver and says, yo, how can I help you? | ||
| And he goes, you know, I'm looking for the camera to film a crap deal. | ||
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What do you think? | |
| What do you think the best camera to film a crack deal would be? | ||
| Do you think I should go with a GoPro or maybe a handheld? | ||
| And he says, "Well, sometimes, sometimes if I'm, you know, filming maybe some incest, I need both my hands." You know? | ||
| Is there, like, is there a helmet or can I have, like, a head strap? | ||
| This is undermining. | ||
| I mean, this is his life. | ||
| I'm trying to figure this thing out. | ||
| And at this point, the guy that messed by, he's like, I don't know whether to call the manager or the police. | ||
|
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What? | |
| You're... | ||
| Your imagined scenario? | ||
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What's not in the news? | |
| Hunter Biden going to Best Buy? | ||
| That's confusing. | ||
| That's a weird one to end on. | ||
| I think that the joke and the act-out of him going to Best Buy and, like, what's the best video to get a crack deal? | ||
| To tape a crack deal. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That's a good premise. | ||
|
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There's something there. | |
| That's a good premise. | ||
| He ruined it by bringing it to the incest thing and... | ||
| Went to shocking too soon. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| And it doesn't... | ||
| Heightened the bit of what he was working on. | ||
| The absurdity of a man going and buying a camera to film his own criminal activities. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the sort of... | ||
| The image of that, like, why would you film a crack deal? | ||
| What are the specs of the camera? | ||
| Like, there is something there that you could chisel away at and kind of have a fairly funny joke in a right-wing context that makes fun of Hunter Biden. | ||
| But I... | ||
| Because what you've got in your back pocket... | ||
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He lost it. | |
| Yeah, no, what you've got in your back pocket on this one, right, is you can slowly escalate it through that kind of prism, and then instead of being like, I don't know who to call the cops or whatever, you can be like, wait. | ||
| Are you Hunter Biden? | ||
| That's what the, you know, and then it would be like, oh, people go crazy. | ||
| That would be a better, like, sort of tag. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't know whether to call the police or the manager is kind of lazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's something you would get out in, like, the first three or four times you tell the joke. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That's not working. | ||
| That's not going to end, that's not going to close this bit. | ||
| Or if you hang out with funny people, one of them will be like, here's something better. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I think that was kind of like, No, I see it. | ||
| Not terrible. | ||
| It's a good premise. | ||
| Yeah, it fell apart, but the premise is there. | ||
| And he negated it halfway through instead of continuing. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You gotta have the rhythm. | ||
| You gotta have the music. | ||
| Right, and what you're saying, too, is an important point, and that is that the shock of the twist or whatever bringing it to the incest thing, it isn't earned, and it's not like... | ||
| It's not what the foundation of the joke was. | ||
| There's absurdity, and then you went gross. | ||
| Yeah, and with no time to process. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| So, there's more topical stuff here. | ||
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But hey, you know, Democrats, they're fighting oppression, they're fighting racism, and they're all gay now. | |
| I don't know if you guys have heard. | ||
| Look, that's... | ||
| You say it first, because you're going to say the same thing I am. | ||
| I don't know, like, what that is, exactly. | ||
| But, like, in the context of a parody of Owen... | ||
| That's a pretty funny line. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| They're fighting oppression. | ||
| Democrats are all gay now. | ||
| It is a funny thing to say because it's so absurd that anyone would ever say it, and only Owen would. | ||
| In the context of something that is commenting on people like Owen, that is a great line to include. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| For Owen to be saying it is very bizarre. | ||
| Too weird. | ||
| If you dressed up in an Owen suit and said, That is the funniest impression I've ever seen. | ||
| But, uh, apparently Saudi Arabia is basically buying professional golf. | ||
| Have you guys heard this? | ||
| The live tour. | ||
| So it's a big story. | ||
| Saudi Arabia is just buying professional golf. | ||
| Saudi Arabia is buying golf, turns out. | ||
| And I notice I don't see much gay in professional golf. | ||
| I don't see much liberal BS. | ||
| I don't see any of that. | ||
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So I'm like, maybe Saudi Arabia is going to take an offer to the NBA next? | |
| Maybe the NFL next? | ||
| Because as a sports fan, I'm just kidding about it. | ||
| So golf has historically been a sport that was built on exclusion. | ||
| In order to play it, you needed access to huge areas of land, which are usually expensive to access. | ||
| It requires expensive equipment and has a tradition pretty deeply rooted in segregation, with courses being part of golf clubs, which could choose to admit no black people if they wanted to until relatively recently. | ||
| Things have gotten gradually improved with the sport, but it's still got a ways to go in terms of inclusion. | ||
| Anyway, there's a larger backdrop behind the phenomenon that Owen is discussing, which he's pretending not to know about and is relevant to the... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, the structure of this joke doesn't really make sense. | ||
| He likes that the PGA, he likes them because he interprets them as being less into wokeness or accepting gay people, while he hates the NFL and NBA because they're too woke. | ||
| Saudi Arabia apparently wants to buy golf, so Owen wants them to buy the NFL and NBA, presumably so they wouldn't be so woke or accepting of gay people. | ||
| But there's really only two ways this could make sense. | ||
| He would have to believe that the sport of golf was preemptively being excluding of people in order to court an offer from Saudi Arabia, or that golf was previously full of wokeness, but Saudi Arabia somehow got them in check. | ||
| Nothing about golf changed because of the possibility of Saudi Arabia buying the sport, whatever that means. | ||
| So there isn't a hinge to put this on to make the joke that if they bought the NBA, it would stop being woke. | ||
| This is just not very well thought out material. | ||
| He's just saying that, hey, there's a... | ||
| Vein of bigotry that runs through golf that I like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a vein of wokeness that goes through the NFL and NBA. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Saudi Arabia is starting their own golf series. | ||
| They're not buying the PGA or something. | ||
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Right. | |
| They're not buying golf. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're just getting their own live series of golf events. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so he wants Saudi Arabia to get into these other professional sports because he believes that... | ||
| The things that he complains about about Muslim culture would then be applied to... | ||
| Right, and it would be better. | ||
| What he's saying is that he would rather live in Saudi Arabia than he would live in the United States because the United States is too woke and Saudi Arabia kills gay people. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how else to interpret the structure of this joke. | ||
| There's no other way to interpret it other than he is saying that I would prefer... | ||
| For fucking Sharia law to be the law of the land than I would for an NBA player to say black people exist. | ||
| At least he would like Sharia law to be applied to sport. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Maybe not society. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But sport. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, what he's saying is, like, here's the problem, right? | ||
| NFL and NBA are too woke. | ||
| That's why all of the openly gay players come out after they retire. | ||
| Too much wokeness in the sport. | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| That's how it happens. | ||
| So goddamn woke. | ||
| Now, if Saudi Arabia bought them, we wouldn't even need to worry about it, would we? | ||
| There are just thematic and idea-based reasons that this joke is pretty weird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially for someone like Owen to be saying it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then, even just from a structural standpoint, it doesn't make sense what would be achieved by... | ||
| Saudi Arabia buying golf. | ||
| I mean, if what I'm interpreting is that he wants Saudi Arabia to fuck up people of anything but straight white males, then he's doing a bad job of telling a joke about it. | ||
| From a telling the joke standpoint, if that's what you're trying to say, you're going to have to write a better joke. | ||
| So here is actually, I think, a decent joke. | ||
| It's simple, kind of. | ||
| But I think it works. | ||
| It's filler. | ||
| Hey, you know, I really respect Bryson Gray. | ||
| I really do. | ||
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He's one of the few people who actually sticks to his principles. | |
| And he's actually sacrificed a lot in that process. | ||
| He could have performed at the White House, but he wouldn't sacrifice his principles so they didn't let him. | ||
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But... | |
| I'm a little confused because I follow Bryson, and people are always using racial slurs against him. | ||
| You know, they call him a coon, they call him Uncle Tom. | ||
| And I'm so confused because I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, Bryson's not black, he didn't vote for Joe Biden. | ||
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What is this? | |
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I never understood that. | ||
|
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I'm going to have to think about that. | |
| That's a fine joke. | ||
| Because it's calling back to Joe Biden's interview on the campaign trail with the Breakfast Club. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Where he said that you aren't black if you have a problem deciding between him and Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was an offensive gaffe that he made. | ||
| He apologized for it. | ||
| But yeah, that's making fun of something that did happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe it could be rewritten a little bit. | ||
| I don't necessarily think that's a polished joke, but the thing that he's trying to say, like, these people are racist against Bryson Gray, and I don't understand it, but he's not even black. | ||
| He didn't vote for Joe Biden. | ||
| There is the joke there, and I mean, I'm grading on a scale. | ||
| Yes, no, no, no, I know. | ||
| And for what this is, that's a fine joke, I guess. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I would get why a MAGA crowd would laugh at that and not be like, what's the joke here? | ||
| I get what the joke is, and I understand. | ||
| I understand why, if you're in that space, you might think that's funny. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I mean, okay, if I'm rewriting it, I'm saying you are coming dangerously close to not parodying the thing that you're describing, but in fact... | ||
| Being the thing that you're describing insofar as you're describing a black person as non-black due to whatever it is you feel like. | ||
| So you're saying, oh, these people are criticizing him for this, and then you're doing the same thing, only in a positive light. | ||
| So it's not really changing or switching the premise around. | ||
| It's just like, I like it. | ||
| There may be a deeper analysis that you're touching on that I think... | ||
| Could be there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm looking at triviality of standing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When we're on that level, it works. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that stuff like Biden saying that kind of stuff, that's fair game. | ||
| That's what people should be lampooning if you're right-wing comedians. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That is, by all means. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's a fucked up thing to say. | ||
| Make fun of him for it. | ||
| I'm down. | ||
| So, here we touch on Owen getting into the hot gun topic. | ||
| Good guy with a gun situation had just happened recently. | ||
| A lot of funny jokes. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| There was just a shooting at the Indiana Mall. | ||
| I'm sure you guys heard about a shooting at the Indiana Mall. | ||
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Very tragic. | |
| But there was a hero that day. | ||
| You like chicken? | ||
| You like chicken? | ||
| Save who knows how many lives, right? | ||
|
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I try to get into the liberal mindset. | |
| It's a difficult place to go. | ||
| Really, I don't suggest it. | ||
| I'm thinking, okay, let's say a liberal is watching this play out in real time, all right? | ||
| Psycho killer that they pump full of drugs comes out with his guns. | ||
| He's getting ready to do the mass shooting. | ||
| And they're excited. | ||
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Yeah, we're going to get gun control now. | |
| Too long without a beat, first off. | ||
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We're about to get gun control. | |
| And they're sitting there in the TV, and then he comes out, and he starts shooting, and then, boom! | ||
| And he goes down. | ||
| What? | ||
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What's the... | |
| Somebody stop the shooting? | ||
| What the... | ||
| I thought we took away the guns! | ||
| That wasn't supposed to be stopped. | ||
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We wanted that shooting to go down. | |
| And that's what they want. | ||
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How many people have to die for Democrat gun control? | |
| Because that's what they want, and that's the truth. | ||
| Ooh, we forgot the joke. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly like what the right complains about the left in stand-up and stuff doing, which is not being funny and just sort of virtue signaling a point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then just getting claps. | ||
| From the audience who agree with your point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, you could hear people muttering. | ||
| There was no laughter. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| At the point where he's doing what is presumably an act-out of this liberal who wants more people to die in the shooting so they can get gun control. | ||
| I mean, just grim. | ||
| Well, I mean, you heard somebody, like, whisper that's what they want. | ||
| This is a call-in response. | ||
| Pastor, this is not a comedy show. | ||
| It's stand-up, baby. | ||
| No, I disagree. | ||
| If I were in this position on stage... | ||
| I might bail. | ||
| I would absolutely... | ||
| Or I might get hostile. | ||
| I might turn on the audience. | ||
| I mean, we've spoken at length about one of our favorite places to perform comedy in the... | ||
| In Berwyn. | ||
| Yes, in the Berwyn's of Illinois. | ||
| Cigars and stripes. | ||
| And there was a, I will call him infamous man, who would host the shows, and he would open by bringing out the worst headlines he could think of, and he'd just go like... | ||
| Three people died on the street because it was too hot yesterday. | ||
| Bet they wish they had an egg! | ||
| And no one would laugh. | ||
| And it'd be like, yeah, that's what you deserve. | ||
| This is horrific. | ||
| That is what I heard. | ||
| And what I realize now is that he was just in the wrong place. | ||
| If our man had gone to wherever Owen's going, he would be on InfoWars. | ||
| He might have a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, look, I think that that obviously is a tragic thing to see. | ||
| But my experience with Scars and Stripes was it was a hostile place. | ||
| It was not always the best time. | ||
| No. | ||
| But there was very rarely a lack of reaction whenever most people were performing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, Owen would have been beat to death by now. | ||
| But, like, that silence. | ||
| When you're doing a... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's terrifying as a performer. | ||
| You're committing to this character and you're getting nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That hurts. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's the silence that's worse than the yells. | ||
| The yells of, like, you suck! | ||
| You're like, at least I'm here. | ||
| At least I'm here. | ||
| The silence is like, are you watching TV right now? | ||
| The silence is why you've got to retreat to that, like, making a political point to get applause. | ||
| True. | ||
| And bring things back into a, like, alright, I'm actually here eliciting a response from these people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, we can maybe try again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he stays on the... | ||
| The shooting subject. | ||
| And he talks a little bit about Uvalde and how the police didn't respond. | ||
| If I was writing the set list, it might change a couple things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have to tell you, I have one of the dumbest tweets in front of me you're ever going to see right here. | ||
| From Stephanie Rule. | ||
| I'm sure you know about Stephanie Rule, MSNBC. | ||
| Probably not worth your time. | ||
| But she says this. | ||
| She says, if 400 trained police officers weren't prepared to engage, what's the argument for arming kindergarten teachers? | ||
| Maybe the fact that 400 police officers wouldn't respond is the reason reaching armed teachers. | ||
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Let's go home. | |
| Let's go home. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That, again, is just virtue signaling to gun shit with, like, arming the teachers. | ||
| But, like, I mean, I guess if you're in that space and you really believe that arming teachers is the solution... | ||
| And that's kind of the solution of all of... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Like, just arm everybody. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Put everybody with a gun in their hand. | ||
| Well, because, you know, it's gonna take five minutes for the police to show up even under perfect circumstances in that five minutes. | ||
| You need to shoot somebody. | ||
| You need to shoot somebody. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I get that that's your belief system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| I think, just looking at it through clear and sober eyes, 400 police not responding. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The teacher being unarmed is not the problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's another problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a much bigger problem, and that is the 400 police. | ||
| No idea what you're talking about. | ||
| No, see, if the teacher had just been better, is what he's saying. | ||
| Well, if the teacher had had access to guns to be better. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, and honestly, then, you have to ask yourself, why didn't the teacher take it upon themselves to just be armed anyway? | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, Owen is just basically saying that if your students die, it's your fault as the teacher. | ||
| And the inactivity of the police is not an indication of, like, a systemic problem. | ||
| What do you expect them to do? | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're working! | ||
| Buh. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| This is pandery, but it's not that it's not thought out in the way that some of these other bits are. | ||
| It's just fan service. | ||
| I mean, it's because I think he thinks there's the turn. | ||
| He thinks that the turn is you say 400 police officers and then you put it on the single teacher. | ||
| You know, that's the turn. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it doesn't actually make sense. | ||
| It's more structured like a Norm Macdonald joke where the... | ||
| Premise and the punchline are the same sentence, you know? | ||
| But it's not funny because it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So we get to talking a little bit about abortion, the hot topics all over the place. | ||
| But this is actually more about abortion protesters. | ||
| Oh! | ||
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A good comic references his own videos. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Because your material is so strong. | ||
| And then they glue themselves to Starbucks bars. | ||
| Now, have you seen the new one? | ||
| They cement. | ||
| They pour instant concrete, and they cement their hands onto roads. | ||
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And they have to come in with a jacket and it's like, "It's worth losing my hand!" I noticed the liberal band aren't doing that. | |
| That's a separate one. | ||
| That's just something to think. | ||
| But they think this is a good argument. | ||
| They think acting like psychos and trying to disrupt civilization is a good argument. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think it's a losing argument, actually. | ||
| So I don't think that's going to happen. | ||
| But we do have some pretty hilarious clarity. | ||
| So Greg Abbott... | ||
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I... | |
| I... | ||
| I'm confused because there's not really a joke other than calling to mind how he wants to characterize abortion protesters. | ||
| And then the statement that he's making is, I think their tactics are ineffective. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's no joke. | ||
| What he needed to do at the end there is like, what they should do is, or something like that, and then have some funny idea of what they should do to protest that would get a message across, or something, or heighten a parody of, I don't know, whatever. | ||
| I'm not going to write the act for him, but after complaining about these tactics being ineffective, The audience is kind of expecting a joke. | ||
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Yes! | |
| You've established the premise, and now you follow up. | ||
| We've been doing this for hundreds of years, how jokes work. | ||
| If you establish a premise in the context of being a comedian, then you have to follow it up with a punchline! | ||
| Yeah, of some sort, other than like, I think that's dumb. | ||
| What I didn't realize really until just now is like... | ||
| People who watch stand-up but don't do it, right? | ||
| They don't realize that the biggest lie a comedian says is, I don't understand. | ||
| Like, if you are writing a joke, when you say, I don't understand, it's because at the end of the joke... | ||
| You will have made a point because secretly you always understood the whole time. | ||
| You have to understand in order to walk through. | ||
| It's the same thing with people say that you have to be really smart to play a dumb person. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In a movie. | ||
| I think that, yeah, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| But he doesn't actually understand what he's talking about, so he's like, I'm killing it, you know? | ||
| And you have to have a larger point, I think, than just... | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's trite. | ||
| And if you're expecting to carry you on stage, you are sorely mistaken. | ||
| It works for Alex, though. | ||
| Not on stage. | ||
| We saw that. | ||
| That was a long time ago. | ||
| That was a long time ago. | ||
| It might work now. | ||
| It was a different time. | ||
| It was a different time. | ||
| I think when he was a guest on Kill Tony, it largely worked. | ||
| Oh, that's brutal. | ||
| So, we get to international affairs. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| It is. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| It's not much longer. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| But it is terrible. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Now you see the prices increasing. | ||
| Prices increasing of gas. | ||
| Prices increasing in groceries. | ||
| Pricing of energy. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Seeing people that did it go on TV saying, we are going to do so. | ||
| We are lowering the prices. | ||
| We're helping you out. | ||
| Yeah, it's a record inflation and record consumer price increase and producer price increase. | ||
| It's all records. | ||
| But we're helping you. | ||
| Yeah, we shut the gas off. | ||
| Sure, we shut the pipelines down, but oh, you notice, when Putin shuts the pipeline down going to Europe, what do they say? | ||
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Putin commits an act of war. | |
| Putin, Putin, in doomsday scenarios, shuts off gas to Europe. | ||
| Putin could be responsible for millions of Germans freezing to death. | ||
| We're dying of heat exhaustion. | ||
| It's an act of war. | ||
| Doomsday. | ||
| And then we go back to America. | ||
| And so today's good news, Joe Biden shut off another pipeline. | ||
| You just told me that was an act of war. | ||
| You just told me that was doomsday. | ||
| Oh, when Biden does it, it's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| Kind of like, if you did anything that they do at these gay pride braids, have you seen this stuff? | ||
| You've seen this stuff? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| No laughter there. | ||
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No! | |
| But jokes like this are supposed to work on a level where you juxtapose two analogous things, and the comparison between the two is immediately striking. | ||
| By positioning them in contrast with each other, you reveal how similar things are treated differently. | ||
| For instance, you can look at historical sentencing trends between crack and cocaine, or sentencing trends between white and black people who commit similar crimes, and by doing so, you reveal a hidden truth about society. | ||
| That's kind of what Owen thinks he's doing here by saying that when Putin chooses to close a pipeline, it's bad, but when Biden does it, it's good. | ||
| But the problem with this is that these aren't analogous situations. | ||
| What Owen is referring to is the Keystone XL pipeline. | ||
| This is a private company, TC Energy, that had applied for a permit to build this pipeline and were rejected by Obama in 2015. | ||
| Trump invited them to try again, and he approved it, and then Biden withdrew the permits when he became president. | ||
| That raw sand oil from Canada will still make its way to refineries in the U.S., but it won't be done with this pipeline that endangers surrounding areas with spillage and all sorts of other concerns. | ||
| As for Putin, he's threatening to literally cut off oil supplies to areas of Europe that rely on that oil to provide essential services. | ||
| This is not a matter of convenience and profit, like with the Qstone XL. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| It's a situation where someone is actually restricting access. | ||
| These situations are so completely different that Owen's joke is confusing as a statement, and the only way that this can be construed as funny is if you imagine that Owen is doing a character who's a parody of his own ideology meant to highlight how superficial their understanding of issues is and how they celebrate their own willful ignorance. | ||
| That's basically it. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I know people think that comedians are stupid, and for good reason. | ||
| We've earned it. | ||
| Many are. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No doubt about that. | ||
| But what we do is... | ||
| Think very, very hard about what we're going to say on stage, regardless of how your intelligence is beyond that. | ||
| And so people who you might think are, like, unable to do long division are still capable of coming up with intense insights through this medium by focusing on something very, very well and understanding it in its totality. | ||
| And through trial. | ||
| Trial and error is such a large part of being able to deliver. | ||
| And basically what you're seeing here is somebody who's not respecting the idea of doing stand-up. | ||
| Because you have a joke like this. | ||
| If you thought it made sense and you went out to open mics and tried it a few times and you didn't get a response, you might just start questioning like... | ||
| Why is, does it not make sense? | ||
| Is there something I'm missing about this? | ||
| And then just sort of instinctually you try to figure a way to readjust the things that you're saying, figure out how to tell the point that you think you're trying to make in a different way to elicit a response from the audience because they will then understand what you're saying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, just beyond the more elevated ways of looking at how comedians write jokes. | ||
| Here's a simple one. | ||
| If you think you have too many words, you have three times as many words as you should. | ||
| And, I mean, he needs to get rid of 90% of his words. | ||
| Much like with the documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trim it down. | ||
| Trim it down. | ||
| So, you hear about this pride parade? | ||
| I forgot that's what he went for. | ||
| You hear about that stuff? | ||
| Immediately after dead silence. | ||
| Y 'all hear about this pride parade? | ||
| Yeah, he has some thoughts. | ||
| He has some thoughts. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you did anything that they do at these gay pride parades, have you seen this stuff? | ||
| Have you seen this stuff? | ||
| I was thinking too, like, if you think that going one of these things is going to want to make your kids gay, I think you've got another thing coming. | ||
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I think they're going to be scared to death of clowns or something the rest of the party. | |
| I don't really think it's a sex thing. | ||
| Or imagine you walk into a baseball game and there's a drag queen story time show going on with your six-year-old son and your son says, Daddy! | ||
| I think I just wanna play golf now. | ||
| I understand, son. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So that's an interesting attempt at a callback to the earlier joke about Saudi Arabia buying golf. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I admire him trying. | ||
| It didn't really land as well as I think he wanted it to. | ||
| He did at least attempt a callback, which is second belt. | ||
| It's yellow belt level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, there's an entirely flawed premise in this joke. | ||
| And that is that he's contradicting his entire worldview that is... | ||
| Going to these pride parades is an attempt to make kids gay. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is their whole grooming thing. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So you're negating everything that you say not on stage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In order to, I guess... | ||
| Call people at Pride Parades clowns? | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| Is that the joke? | ||
| Is the joke about how the people at the Pride Parade are clowns? | ||
| Well, there's one point, and that is that you couldn't get away with the stuff that they get away with, which is just the victimhood and persecution complex expression. | ||
| Yeah, but he's not even really, like, what? | ||
| Get away with what? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Well, that's the way into the joke, I guess. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I see that. | ||
| I see that. | ||
| And then, yes, it's not a sex thing. | ||
| They're clowns. | ||
| You'll be afraid. | ||
| Creative clowns, because everyone looks like clowns. | ||
| And then baseball's too gay. | ||
| I mean, really? | ||
| You're going to say that you've thought about this, you're Owen Troyer, then after you thought about it and said it on stage, you decided to post this to the internet so other people could see it. | ||
| And let me be clear. | ||
| The only reason I'm treating this this way is because it's labeled Owen Troyer's stand-up special. | ||
| It's not your fault. | ||
| So it's an attempted stand-up. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And these are bits. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This isn't something that he's just talking off the dome. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There's a callback there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's joke structure in some of these things that he's saying. | ||
| There is preparation, as shitty as it may be. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And that's why I'm treating it- I mean, there's more preparation for this shit than there was for the trial! | |
| Probably. | ||
| And so that's why I'm giving it the business, in terms of treating it like it's someone trying to do stand-up, because it is. | ||
| Stay out of our fucking world, Owen. | ||
| If you want to walk in here, you're going to have to learn how to write a joke. | ||
| But at the same time, I would like to make clear that I have given it up on a couple of occasions where there's like, okay, this is like the Biden, this guy's not black because he didn't vote for Biden. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's a fine joke. | ||
| The flight of fancy about Hunter Biden. | ||
| I'm not saying none of this works. | ||
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| I'm just saying almost all of it doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, and I mean, it's just, you know, like, you're taking a very good supportive tack towards the way, and this is kind of how we treat young, newer comedians differently as we both aged in stand-up. | ||
| I did my best to... | ||
| Disencourage anyone from ever trying to do... | ||
| I focused on all the bad jokes. | ||
| I really went into your face. | ||
| I was like, this is why this is bad. | ||
| I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I was supportive. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I wanted to hide from everyone. | ||
| Don't talk to me. | ||
| So we have one last joke here. | ||
| Like I said at the beginning, open strong, close strong. | ||
| You can get away with a good deal of this meandering nonsense in the middle if you come in with like... | ||
| Just burning the house down. | ||
| Hot fire and then a closer. | ||
| If your closer is 10 minutes and it's really good, you can do a bad 20 in the middle and you'll be fine. | ||
| And I guess I would say that his opening was weak because it was mostly that Biden cancer chunk. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I don't think that really played. | ||
| So here's the end. | ||
| Despite the kuh-kuh sounds. | ||
| Strong stuff. | ||
| Consonants. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
| There's an old cartoon that always sticks with me. | ||
| And it's when aliens, they come down and they say, take me to your leader. | ||
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And the humans walk out with a television. | |
| Because the TV is our leader. | ||
| Calvin and Hobbes, man. | ||
| We don't hold the television up. | ||
| We don't hold false idols up. | ||
| Somebody says, hey, take us to your leader. | ||
| hold the Bible up. | ||
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Well... | |
| If that was... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's the funniest thing he's ever said by a mile. | ||
| It certainly elicited the largest response from the audience of any of the things, any of his bits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the problem is he meant it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why it's terrible. | ||
| It's a sincere sort of expression. | ||
| It's like someone saying, like, at the end of their set, like, let me be serious for a minute here. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Except there isn't the misdirect of there's a joke after the seriousness. | ||
| No, he's just saying this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's, again, incidentally, the funniest thing that he's ever said. | ||
| I can't imagine a funnier thing to think than, like, if aliens come down. | ||
| To Earth and ask you to take you to their leader. | ||
| You hand them the Bible. | ||
| What kind of insane worldview is that where you're like, not only am I not joking about that, but all of these people are going to clap and scream how great I am for doing that. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| This is Owen's closer, too. | ||
| And what is that? | ||
| Accept an expression of virtue signaling to Christianity. | ||
| I mean, it's literally the Bible being virtue signaled! | ||
| To aliens. | ||
| To aliens! | ||
| And get Calvin and Hobbes out of your mouth, Owen! | ||
| There is nothing... | ||
| Oh, you should have done the take me to your dealer. | ||
| Oh, nice! | ||
| 420! | ||
| There's nothing about this that is an attempt at being funny. | ||
| It is just demonstrating your virtue to an audience and them applauding for it. | ||
| This is exactly what, like... | ||
| He has gone on rants. | ||
| People on InfoWars, the Jordan Petersons of the world all talk about this being the cancer of the left and how they approach being fun. | ||
| They're killing humor. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Look at this bullshit. | ||
| Doing a worse version of all the exact same things. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is really, really tragic. | ||
| This is tragically bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the problem is, the problem is, this is a man who is posting that video. | ||
| Well, someone did, yeah. | ||
| Someone chose to. | ||
| Well, I guess he allowed it. | ||
| I mean, I assume if I had that on my record, it would be gone. | ||
| I would be telling... | ||
| You wouldn't post it the next day? | ||
| I would talk to the producers of the show. | ||
| I have talked to producers of the show in the past who recorded it, and I told them, don't play this because I am embarrassed of how bad it is. | ||
| This has happened to me in the past. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that Owen should have. | ||
| But, like, it's clicks, man. | ||
| You know, you'll get some clicks. | ||
| That's not how I want them. | ||
| No. | ||
| So anyway, I thought we could use a little bit of a momentary breath of something different than the trial and the documentary. | ||
| It is a delight to talk shop. | ||
| So I think that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think Owen's getting JFL. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I honestly think that based just on talent and merit, that wouldn't even fly at a bad local show in Chicago. | ||
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Nope. | |
| That would struggle to get a response at an open mic. | ||
| And I think that another thing to recognize is the hubris of doing 18 minutes. | ||
| 18 minutes. | ||
| If you're Owen. | ||
| 18 minutes. | ||
| 18 minutes, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan, how many producer stories do both of us have along the lines of somebody's like, so I've got 40 minutes of material. | ||
| I really want to go up on your show. | ||
| It is my first time doing stand-up comedy, but I know it's going to be great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is that. | ||
| Yeah, this is that, and it's bad. | ||
| Yeah, there's a hubris to not recognizing that stand-up is something like boxing in as much as it seems like a shorter time than it actually is. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Like a three-minute round is a lifetime in the boxing ring, and a five-minute set is tough to fill if you care about it being... | ||
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Good. | |
| Entertaining for the people you're talking to. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| And 18 minutes is a fucking lifetime. | ||
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Absurd. | |
| So, Jordan, we have seen the Cuck Destroyer destroy stand-up. | ||
| Oh, boy, has he been cucked. | ||
| And we'll be back with something else. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| Who knows when. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Surprising periodic downloads. | ||
| We're like Rogan now. | ||
| We're everywhere. | ||
| No schedule. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| You can't turn away from us. | ||
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Texas. | |
| Morning. | ||
| Evening. | ||
| Texas freedom. | ||
| But yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight. | ||
| And I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We're also... | ||
| Well, we'll be back. | ||
| Look. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I hope you all have a wonderful, dreamy, creamy summer. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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You're on the air. | |
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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