Today, Dan and Jordan check in to discuss their first few days in Austin, taking in Alex Jones' trial. In this installment, Jordan sees Alex in person for the first time, and Dan gets to watch Alex do a very sad impromptu press conference.
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*outro music* | |
| *outro music* | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around in a hotel room in Austin, Texas. | ||
| We worship Celine from afar. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Yes, indeed. | ||
| Who we saw today. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's a very serious question. | ||
| We'll get back to this in a second, but we should probably talk about bright spots first. | ||
| Yes, that's a good point. | ||
| Dan? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot is I was doing a little bit of work around the shit today after going to the trial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I wanted some food and I have nothing in the hotel room so I ordered Jack in the Box. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| There's no Jack in the Box in Chicago. | ||
|
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No. | |
| And it is something that is beloved of me and my friends. | ||
| True. | ||
| Love a Jack in the Box. | ||
| Because there was one on the way to St. Louis. | ||
| There wasn't any in Columbia either. | ||
| And so it was like this real treat that you could pull over and go to the Jack in the Box. | ||
| Get those shitty tacos. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Two for a dollar. | ||
| Just because they're not good doesn't mean that when the heart wants what it wants... | ||
| There's a certain pride in liking garbage. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But yeah, so I got that. | ||
| I got some of the Jack in the Box tacos. | ||
| They showed up. | ||
| Worst... | ||
| Worst delivery experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I miss this guy. | ||
| I shouldn't complain. | ||
| You got hit by a truck yesterday. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| There are differing levels of suffering that we have gone through. | ||
| Your situation was maybe a little tougher, but I get the jack in the box. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no sauce for the tacos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I thought to myself, this is going to be disgusting. | ||
| They're already disgusting, but the sauce makes them edible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I decided to soldier through. | ||
| And they were still pretty good. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| So yeah, that's my bright spot. | ||
| That's a significant bright spot. | ||
| My bright spot is that the Jack-in-the-Box tacos were not ruined by being sauceless. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| So what about you? | ||
| Getting hit by a truck? | ||
| I mean, my bright spot is... | ||
| Boy, it's been a long cavalcade of shit for me. | ||
| My bright spot is I've been really enjoying tweeting about the trial because there's literally nothing else that's been good so far. | ||
| I've been hit by a truck. | ||
| I've had to run around this whole fucking town for THC for a soundboard. | ||
| That doesn't even fucking work half the point. | ||
| All of this shit is bad, but I'm having a fun time. | ||
| Live tweeting. | ||
| It's all you got. | ||
| It's all I got. | ||
| Don't take it away from me! | ||
| We should clarify a number of things because I think people might be confused. | ||
| So first of all, the soundboard issue that you're talking about is we brought a small soundboard with which to record and did not realize until we got here that it did not have a USB connection so it couldn't plug into the laptop and I couldn't play clips through it. | ||
| Issue. | ||
| Yeah, problem. | ||
| Now that's going into a lake. | ||
| We're going to throw that into Barton Springs in honor of Alex. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to write, Alex, this one's for you! | ||
| Then you got a replacement, another one that has a USB connection, and we cannot get it to work. | ||
| I spent three hours plus earlier trying everything I could figure out to do it. | ||
| So we're recording this here, but we can't play any clips. | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| It's not our fault. | ||
| We have to take the blame, because it's not anybody else's fault, but it is just bad happenstance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I had a fun episode really ready to go, but I guess we just have to ruminate on our experience in Austin so far. | ||
| So, you got hit by a truck, though. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| But it's not like you got T-boned or run over. | ||
| It was kind of a weird situation. | ||
| We were driving in a fucking parking lot, and my Lyft driver, I mean, my rideshare driver, was absolutely... | ||
| Flying in the parking lot. | ||
| And I was not paying attention whatsoever. | ||
| I was like, hey, I'm happy that this guy's moving because I've been waiting here for a while. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, I am smashed into the passenger side door because we got T-boned by a fucking lawnscaping truck. | ||
| One of those huge-ass F4000s or whatever they're fucking called. | ||
| Now I feel bad about saying you didn't get T-boned. | ||
| Yeah, no, we got T-boned. | ||
| I mean, it was like he was going... | ||
| 15, 20 miles an hour. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So all I have is a giant lump on my head. | ||
| I didn't have a serious concussion or have to go to the hospital. | ||
| Which you made me, you were going to make me feel your head, and I refused. | ||
| I wasn't going to make you feel that. | ||
| I offered. | ||
| You certainly suggested it. | ||
| I gave you the option, should you so choose. | ||
| Do you think that there's a possibility that this bump on the head is what is causing you to live tweet? | ||
| There are so many possible things that the bump on the head could be responsible for. | ||
| This could be your supervillain shit poster. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I'm on the way to becoming Glenn Greenwald! | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You become what you hate, Dan! | ||
| Aging is the worst. | ||
| Quite a path. | ||
| Quite a path for you to go down. | ||
| If I go there, we're in trouble. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, what would that make me? | ||
| Would I be Matt Taibbi? | ||
| Who would I be? | ||
| Yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| Except for... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would work. | ||
| So we're here. | ||
| We're in Austin. | ||
| And yeah, so two days in on the trial at this point when we're recording this. | ||
| At midnight, because I couldn't get these recorders to work. | ||
| We're doing great. | ||
| Doing so good. | ||
| We're doing great. | ||
| Got in on Sunday. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Monday was the jury selection. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we had the thought, or the belief was, initially that we would be able to go to that and hang out at the courthouse. | ||
| But we were not. | ||
| We're not able to. | ||
| So instead watched a bit of that on the old live stream. | ||
| Yeah, the judge, I believe, didn't allow any media into the room during the jury selection. | ||
| Yes, this is what I've heard from other media folk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When I say other media folk, I mean media folk. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The only ones that are here. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Not trying to pretend that we have press badges or anything. | ||
| I did put a little sign in my hat, in my fedora. | ||
| What, head press? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Put a little sign on your bump? | ||
| I was like, excuse me! | ||
| I'm breaking! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, yeah, that first day was a little bit uneventful. | ||
| I think jury selection is kind of an arduous process. | ||
| There's a lot of repetition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| You get a little bit of insight into some stuff, obviously, but it's not... | ||
| It's not flashy. | ||
| Yeah, it was interesting to watch the jury selection in full, just because it appeared that the defense lawyer was absolutely willing to give up every bit of their strategy in every single question. | ||
| It was literally like... | ||
| Hey, what if I said I want a judgment of $1? | ||
| Who here? | ||
| It was an auction. | ||
| Like, who here? | ||
| Oh, number nine! | ||
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Who's buying? | |
| Number nine, $1! | ||
| Number ten, $40! | ||
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And then he asked what everybody's maximum amount would be. | |
| And the plaintiffs obviously objected because no! | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That seems... | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| Seems like a question you should be able to ask. | ||
| Apparently you can't. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So yeah, that went on Monday. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| When you were watching it, obviously I don't want you to give any specifics, but did you find yourself pulling for any jurors? | ||
| Not necessarily for them to be on the jury, but did you find yourself getting favorites? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There were a few people who gave responses that were impassioned. | ||
| We're empathetic. | ||
| We're caring. | ||
| And we're the absolute wrong thing to say if you ever wanted to be on this fucking jury in your life. | ||
| Somebody was describing restorative justice almost to a T. And listening to that, I was like, you're gone. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| Get out of here, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was that fast. | ||
| I think the dynamic is kind of fun because you couldn't really see the people. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| And so you just had their words to judge on. | ||
| You had their words in the face of a lawyer unhappy. | ||
| It's like that dating game, you know, where you'd have bachelor number one, two, and three behind a screen. | ||
| Juror number one. | ||
| I would have preferred a game of Guess Who where we could have just slapped off the people. | ||
| No beards. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| We've got a whole array. | ||
| Just nope. | ||
| No glasses. | ||
| Is your juror wearing a hat? | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| Does it have press in there? | ||
| That's me. | ||
| Oh, bad. | ||
| So, that came to a close, and we went and got barbecue. | ||
| Yes, we did. | ||
| Went to get some barbecue, which was fine. | ||
| That was my first and last food in the past three days. | ||
| You've got to get it together. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I, on the other hand, check in the box tacos. | ||
| Barbecue. | ||
| I got some donuts for tomorrow morning. | ||
| You're doing better than me, but I think I could outrun you at this point. | ||
| It's the best I can do. | ||
| You can run. | ||
| That's good enough. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So yeah, then today was the beginning. | ||
| The opening statements and a little bit of witness time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did you feel about Mark's opening statement? | ||
| I thought it was good. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I thought... | ||
| Well, I mean, look, here's the thing. | ||
| When you talk about the opening statements that were made in this case, I think you gotta look at both of them at the same time. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Because I think, obviously, you could just say that Mark's opening statement was good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in order to understand why it was good, you really have to look at the other one, which was not good. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Alex's lawyer's opening statement was not good. | ||
| And one of the reasons why is, first of all, it's kind of meandering. | ||
| It wasn't very well delivered, whereas Mark had a sort of a sincerity behind what he was saying, a pathos. | ||
| But more than that... | ||
| There was an arc to it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| There was a story, essentially, of, like, here are relevant pieces of information that fit into what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was really missing from the defense opening statement, which was just kind of like, come on. | ||
| I mean, it was... | ||
| Alex apologized. | ||
| It was like a series of, one, this isn't Alex's fault, even if he did say he did it, and we heard him do it. | ||
| Two... | ||
| I know you saw those videos, but he didn't actually say that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Three, come on, he apologized. | ||
| That doesn't count. | ||
| And four, it's, again, everybody else's fault but Alex's. | ||
| Sue them! | ||
| So one of the things that the opening statement certainly included for the defense was the notion of you've got to watch the videos. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That came up a couple times, and I have such a conflicted relationship with that, because I do think you do need to, generally. | ||
| Well, you would have to. | ||
| A lot of times, there is context that's missing from short sections of videos. | ||
| True. | ||
| But if you are Alex, and you demand people watch whole videos, no one has the time in their life to do it. | ||
| And if that's the standard of being able to judge Alex's intentions... | ||
| Like, nobody except me would be qualified to have an opinion on what he did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe that's true. | ||
| Which means that yours is the only opinion that counts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think we've already established the laws! | ||
| But you understand, someone would just come back to me with like, oh, you didn't watch this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no, of course. | ||
| There's always going to be some standard of something that you're missing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's difficult. | ||
| Because I think some people can be done dirty by selective attention and cherry-picking of stuff. | ||
| But I don't think that's the case here at all. | ||
| Not just that, but in Mark's opening arguments, he played a clip where InfoWars clearly edited versions of clips together deceptively to avoid playing the full clip. | ||
| So Alex is... | ||
| Guilty of the thing that he blames everybody else for not doing. | ||
| Well, that clip that you're talking about is the one where Owen Schroyer is talking about Mr. Hesslin in his interview on Megyn Kelly. | ||
| And they play two clips, one of Dr. Wayne Carver and one of one of the other parents. | ||
| And they are edited in such a way as to make it appear that they are saying that they didn't see the kids and there was no way. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the issue is... | ||
| I don't think anybody can demonstrate that Infowars edited those videos. | ||
| They may have come in-house deceptively edited. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| So it's still their fault for not finding out what the context is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, maybe they didn't do it themselves. | ||
| Maybe they didn't make the videos, but if you're the ones who play it on Infowars while saying that everybody else needs to watch the full clip, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Point stands, just wanted to... | ||
| Yes, clarification from the judge. | ||
| I'm talking legalese now. | ||
| So we showed up prior to these opening statements, and I had a nice seat in the front row. | ||
| Reserved. | ||
| You had to go to the back. | ||
| I had to go sit in the back because I am a bad boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They thought it would dampen the sound a little bit in case you yelled something. | ||
| The first thing that happened when I sat down in the back after Alex walked in. | ||
| Well, I was going to get to that. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Thanks for ruining the dramatic reveal. | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| See, I sat down. | ||
| I was sitting next to Sebastian Murdoch from the Huffington Post, who was there. | ||
| Very nice to meet him. | ||
| And there was this weird buzz of, like, is Alex going to show up? | ||
| Right, because he wasn't there yesterday. | ||
| He wasn't there on Monday. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He had played sick or something. | ||
| And so, yeah, there was just kind of a feeling in the air of, is he going to show up? | ||
| And my conjecture had been... | ||
| I know I said this to you, and I talked to Robert about it a little bit on the episode that we did, that Alex was going to show up, and he was going to make a scene. | ||
| He was going to be a dick outside the courtroom, because he couldn't behave like a dick inside the courtroom. | ||
| That was kind of my theory, if he did show up. | ||
| But, we didn't know if he was going to, and so we're there, we're hanging out, minding our own business, boom! | ||
| In walks Alex in a disgusting jacket. | ||
| Just gross. | ||
| Just gross. | ||
| Schlubby fucking jacket. | ||
| Not to insult the man based on his appearance. | ||
| No, you can insult his jacket. | ||
| I'm insulting him based upon respect for the court. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Look better than that. | ||
| Jacket, not good. | ||
| Now, I sweat through his shirt. | ||
| That wasn't very attractive at all. | ||
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True. | |
| But I don't have respect for courts, so that's fine with me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You're not there in a position where you have to wear an undershirt. | ||
| So Alex walked in, and I was in the deposition, so I've been in a room with him before. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't know what it was like for you to experience him in the flesh for the first time. | ||
| You know, it was very similar to what you described when you met him for the first time, which was, like, one, you should know who I am. | ||
| He does. | ||
| Two. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| And two. | ||
| Boy, this is really disappointing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You are a disappointing motherfucker. | ||
| It's what it is. | ||
| You know, what was super weird was that I was surprised by how little the atmosphere in the room changed when he came in. | ||
| You know, like, I really... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was a part of me that expected, like, this electric... | ||
| Thing was gonna come in, and it wasn't. | ||
| It was just kind of a dude with way too much security. | ||
| Yeah, way too much security. | ||
| I counted six total. | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch. | ||
| And outside, well, after you had left, Alex was doing a little bit of a small press conference outside. | ||
| He had some other security guards, one of whom may have had a fake mustache. | ||
| It is unclear. | ||
| Or was he one of the ones from earlier in the day who was kicked out? | ||
| Definitely a different guy. | ||
| But yeah, so Alex shows up, and beyond just the atmosphere in the room not really changing, and just being like, eh, he showed up. | ||
| Hey, what about that? | ||
| Beyond that, the other thing that I was really struck by was how few people were there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Not many people? | ||
| I say this, and I say this at risk. | ||
| Of sounding conceited, I think there were more Knowledge Fight fans there than Alex fans. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| There were three or four people who came up to us and thank you for saying hello. | ||
| It was very nice to meet you all. | ||
| And they were like, we're not here in any official capacity. | ||
| We just came to see the shit. | ||
| And very polite and nice and fun. | ||
| Incredibly good people. | ||
| Nice to meet some folks. | ||
| I didn't see anybody who appeared to be someone I would recognize from Infowars World, like one of the other reporters. | ||
| He could have just had Harrison Smith wait out in the hall or Savannah Hernandez and then do an interview or something. | ||
| Harrison has to wait in the car, okay? | ||
| The window's rolled up. | ||
| The window's rolled up. | ||
| If he lives, if he lives, if he dies, he dies. | ||
| That's Alex's snake handling. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It was not packed, really, at all. | ||
| And that surprised me a little bit. | ||
| I thought that... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know what I thought, but I figured Alex would have some kind of a fan base that wouldn't be there. | ||
| First off, the first thing that we thought was get there early because we don't know if there's going to be enough room. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was plenty of room. | ||
| Now, a lot of people were taking up more space maybe than they... | ||
| And there were some people... | ||
| There was at least a few people with equipment, like cameras or what have you. | ||
| So that takes up more than one seat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But yeah, I was baffled by that. | ||
| I think that's sad for him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he would actively not want any of his fans in the courtroom on account of all the truth that he's not allowed to lie about. | ||
| Well, but he doesn't have to talk. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You know, it's not like he's going to be up on the stand getting debased or anything. | ||
| True. | ||
| But I think that, you know, I have two minds about it. | ||
| One is I think that if I were him, I probably wouldn't want my listeners there either. | ||
| Not necessarily because of what they would be exposed to, because, you know, you can wiggle around. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But because of, like, you know that they're going to not... | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're not going to be people you want to meet, probably, for Alex. | ||
| He likes to run away from people who like him. | ||
| And then second, they're probably going to yell 1776 in the court. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And that would be bad, I guess. | ||
| But then here's where the other part of my mind is. | ||
| Maybe that would be good. | ||
| Maybe that would be what you'd want. | ||
| Disrupt the court entirely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And have somebody else do it that you don't have to take responsibility for. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You know, and I guess... | ||
| Although that may really prejudice the jury against you, if one of your fans busts out just going, 1776! | ||
| I think if I were on a jury, I'd be like, that guy is the bad guy. | ||
| The end. | ||
| I do think that would bias me if I was on a jury, that this person is very passionate and believes in America. | ||
| Sure, sure! | ||
| That's what I would think. | ||
| And instills it in their followers. | ||
| That's what I would think, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, the opening statements, like I said, I think we agree on this. | ||
| One good, one bad. | ||
| It reminds me of relativity. | ||
| You know how if you're moving close to the speed of light, time moves slower? | ||
| So, you know, if you go out at a million light, you're away. | ||
| And then come back. | ||
| Everybody you know is two years older, and you're still the same age, relatively speaking, right? | ||
| That is similar to the opening arguments. | ||
| Mark went to fucking the Andromeda Galaxy, and this dude dug himself a grave. | ||
| Well, Mark had a PowerPoint presentation with some clips and context and all this, and Alex's lawyer had a board to write on. | ||
| Big notepad. | ||
| Big notepad. | ||
| They wrote slowly on. | ||
| Yes, it was excruciating. | ||
| And most of it was really just like, here's a stretch of time. | ||
| And then, like one word, like 2016 he wrote on there, it was just Hillary. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's like, what? | ||
| Why are we, what? | ||
| Are we here? | ||
| Yeah, but here's what really bummed me out. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| So when we got in to the courtroom initially, there were some props. | ||
| Yes, there were! | ||
| Alex's lawyers had some props. | ||
| Right in the gate. | ||
| One of them was a board. | ||
| That said something to the effect of InfoWars coverage of Sandy Hook was one-fifth of one percent of their coverage. | ||
| And then there was another thing that was like, I think it was going to be Velcroed onto the big board. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| That was like a magnifying glass in order to demonstrate the... | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| Oh shit, that's what that shape was. | ||
| It wasn't unveiled because I was sitting in the back row, obviously. | ||
| Front row, you get to see the magnifying glass, baby. | ||
| And it wasn't allowed... | ||
| In court. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I didn't get to know what the oddly shaped thing was. | ||
| This was excluded as being something that could be presented, I think for a number of reasons. | ||
| One, tacky. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Two, as I understand it, it was that if you're going to say that, you have to be able to demonstrate it, and you can't demonstrate that it was one half of one percent. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Yeah, but here's why I'm pissed off about this. | ||
| I wanted those props. | ||
| God, they would have been so funny. | ||
| I want those props so bad! | ||
| I understand the judge needed... | ||
| How would I get it back to Chicago, though? | ||
| The judge needed to disqualify those on account of this is a courtroom in real life. | ||
| She should have confiscated them. | ||
| Absolutely, and then give them to you. | ||
| But, I mean, those are not going to help the defense. | ||
| No. | ||
| The big board that they had, the big sign? | ||
| That I did get to see a little bit of because it was unveiled pre, you know, early. | ||
| And it basically looked like the McDonald's, like, over 500,000 hours sold. | ||
| Like, it was that kind of thing, you know? | ||
| Yeah, trying to make a big deal of, like, he does a ton of content and this much was about San Diego. | ||
| This guy lies about everything! | ||
| What, are you gonna hold him accountable for this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been alive, like, a million hours. | ||
| Only two of them I spent murdering. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| What are you going to hold it against you? | ||
| Who among us has not spent two hours we regret? | ||
| I want those fucking props. | ||
| Tomorrow morning, I'm going back to the courthouse. | ||
| You're going to live tweet and do your business. | ||
| Try to figure out the sound, yeah. | ||
| But before I go into the courthouse, I'm going to try and find their dumpster. | ||
| See if it's in there. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| See if it's in the courthouse dumpster. | ||
| Because what else would they do with it? | ||
| Throw it into Barton Springs? | ||
| We're going to throw our soundboard right next to it and be like, oh, my God, what's happening here? | ||
| Then we're going to find Mark's car is in there. | ||
| The bodyguards all threw it in. | ||
| The fake mustache is in there? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So the opening statements go down, and actually, in between them, there's a recess. | ||
| And everybody exits the court. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Alex goes out before us, and as we're exiting, you can see that a little ways down the hallway, which is the only way to leave this courtroom. | ||
| Can't miss it. | ||
| Alex has posted up in front of some cameras and is yelling about how he got jammed up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Now, Jordan, ever the yeller, decides, you decided that you wanted to interfere. | ||
| Yeah, I was just sitting here listening to this bullshit and watching these people in a courtroom protect him and his ability to say nonsense on camera, which is the whole point of this fucking trial that he shouldn't be allowed to! | ||
| Fair. | ||
| And then they're gonna come at me for being like, hey, I need to yell at this motherfucker! | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So instantly, after I said something... | ||
| The court officer just walks up to me, gets right in front of my face real close, and goes, that's a warning. | ||
| And it's like, fuck you, man. | ||
| Well, there's two things. | ||
| I don't think it was that intimidating. | ||
| No, he wasn't intimidating. | ||
| And his motion wasn't as intimidating as you were trying to make it sound. | ||
| Well, I'm taller than him. | ||
| And then second, I think that I see both sides of this. | ||
| I get where you're coming from, and I think in a cosmic scale, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But in the sort of the individual, like actual real world of it, like we're there and it's a disrespect to the court what he's doing and you'd be adding to it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If you yelled at him. | ||
| So I'm glad that calmer heads prevailed. | ||
| True. | ||
| And my stealth strategy worked. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Which was stand behind him. | |
| And just stare into the camera. | ||
| Until you're there on Fox 7. Right. | ||
| So my goal was... | ||
| I'll insert myself in some entirely where's Waldo ass in the background kind of way. | ||
| And you were. | ||
| Photobomb his news conference. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| And so, you know, if Alex watches himself on the news, he's now going to see me behind him. | ||
| And that worked out okay. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think I was in all of the shots. | ||
| No, you were in quite a bit of it. | ||
| I watched a little bit of that segment, and we were both... | ||
| Well, I will tell you this. | ||
| My sweaty pits were prominently featured in... | ||
| In many clips. | ||
| I also got sidetracked with glad-handing. | ||
| Bill walked by and a reporter I'd met. | ||
| So, a lot of, hello, how do you do this? | ||
| So, that happens. | ||
| And I thought, for sure, Alex was going to leave. | ||
| I thought, like, okay, he's done his piece. | ||
| He's going to leave. | ||
| But he ended up staying for his own opening statement. | ||
| And at that point, the judge warned him about doing what he had done in the hallway. | ||
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Right. | |
| Rightfully and maybe a little late to warn. | ||
| Maybe that should have been immediate. | ||
| Do you think? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not going to talk the judge too bad, but a little bit late is the story of this trial. | ||
|
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Well... | |
| You know, I think when you're dealing with somebody like Alex, you've got to give as many benefits of doubt as you can, because the argument is always going to be that you jammed this person up, and you've got to cover all your bases to make sure that those things are flimsy appearances that can be knocked down super easily. | ||
| And I understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that if you're somebody who has some kind of an awareness of how Alex operates... | ||
| You can't do many press conferences would have been like ground rule. | ||
| I mean, we're on year what now? | ||
| He did that during his like custody hearing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is what he does. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| I should be allowed to give an impromptu press conference outside. | ||
| I mean, I think that's fair. | ||
| If he's going to be a giant asshole, I think I should be allowed to as well. | ||
| Well, but you would have then gotten told to leave. | ||
| I was basically told to leave. | ||
| You were not. | ||
| You were like, I'm going to leave. | ||
| I'm too sweaty. | ||
| I am way too sweaty. | ||
| Your pits told you to leave. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Man, extreme anxiety is not fun. | ||
| And not realizing that weed isn't legal here until you get here. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird to have extreme anxiety and have treated it successfully with THC for a few years, and then just all of a sudden people are like, no, your meds are illegal. | ||
| Like, oh, okay, I guess I'm just gonna sweat my balls off in this courtroom then. | ||
| That is tough. | ||
| And I was mentioning that to somebody about how, you know, it's tough. | ||
| Jordan, weed's illegal here. | ||
| You know, we're from Chicago. | ||
| You can just go get it. | ||
| And he's like, you know, weed, you can get it here too. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you know someone. | ||
| Or if you go get Delta 8 shit, man, I've been doing THC for too long to believe that Delta... | ||
| Well, I sucked down an entire vape cartridge of Delta 8. Do you think that was part of your sweating? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That was yesterday. | ||
| I ran out today. | ||
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Oh, before. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets reprimanded and told, hey, cut it out with this bullshit shenanigans. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| I regretted maybe staying for the second part, because that guy's opening statement was pretty boring. | ||
| But then, yeah, it took off to come back here, come back to the hotel to do some work and watch the stream from here. | ||
| And you missed out on this. | ||
| You had already left, and outside of the courtroom, Alex showed up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In order to do another mini press conference. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because he had told he can't do one in the room. | ||
| And so he did it out in front of the courthouse. | ||
| And he put on that InfoWars bumper sticker over his mouth. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then just took it off basically when he realized that there was nobody out there. | ||
| Powerful. | ||
| There was nobody. | ||
| What a message he sent. | ||
| He had no fans hanging out. | ||
| There was no press. | ||
| Here's who the press was. | ||
| You had Sebastian from the Huffington Post. | ||
| You had Liz Williamson from the New York Times. | ||
| And that might have been it. | ||
| Yep, that sounds about right. | ||
| There were more security guards than there were press and fans combined. | ||
| True. | ||
| It was so sad. | ||
| Because Alex was holding his little thing. | ||
| I was watching from afar. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I could tell that he was doing his, they will not let me defend myself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he realized that the reporters were people that he knew and didn't like him. | ||
| And you can see a little bit of a... | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| So then he posed with his lawyer with the bumper sticker over his mouth. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| What a pathetic loser. | ||
| Yeah, then he took off. | ||
| Yeah, that's tough. | ||
| It was hilarious to watch because there was such an impotent showmanship. | ||
| It was a showman without a crowd. | ||
| And that... | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| God, if somebody had played the Curb theme song, right... | ||
| Well, that was what I was saying I wanted to do instead of yelling at Alex, was just put on the Cantina theme from Star Wars and dance around. | ||
| Wailing Jizz is here! | ||
| Yeah, just dance around behind him. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, I... | ||
| I think, I thought there was something really sad about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then it kind of hit me that, you know, that electricness that you didn't feel when he walked into the room. | ||
| I noticed that you could kind of get a little bit of that sense when he was in front of those cameras. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was, it wasn't, the vibe in the room didn't change because he didn't turn himself on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he can just turn himself on and off and whatever, and he just was like, I'm here, I'm just catatonic, or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's a, I mean, after the, I don't know, you couldn't see this because you left the courtroom, but on the feed, after the opening arguments, Alex and his lawyer were laughing. | ||
| The lawyer essentially said, you know, I think we've got half the jury because he's a moron. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, he's an optimist. | ||
| And then, well, I listen to him talk. | ||
| You decide. | ||
| And then Alex... | ||
| Well, he was an optimist thinking those props were going to fly. | ||
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That's true. | |
| That's true. | ||
| And then Alex looks directly at the feed camera and then gives it finger guns. | ||
| Straight up, double finger guns and laughing. | ||
| Like, wow. | ||
| I feel like if it wasn't Alex Jones and it wasn't in a courtroom, I could kind of dig that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would have appreciated it more if he had done that to the judge, but I think that would have gotten him a charge. | ||
| Now watch me sink this three. | ||
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Exactly, yes. | |
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| From what I understand from what you were saying, there was a bit of things that you could see in the feed, because they didn't realize that their mic was on. | ||
| I guess they didn't know that the mics were still on, because you could hear half of what they were talking about. | ||
| Hopefully not anything important strategy-wise. | ||
| I mean, there were... | ||
| There were some things where if you really dug in and tried to catch... | ||
| Because you could hear just little bits and pieces of sentences. | ||
| And there were some things where I really did think that I don't think they want this to be public. | ||
| I don't think they want this on the stream. | ||
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Well... | |
| We'll see. | ||
| But I think there is a transitory feel about that, too, because you're not allowed to record any of that stuff, which is why we'll never have clips of the court hearings or anything. | ||
| But yeah, it's one in the morning now, because I was sort of... | ||
| Ballparking it when I said midnight. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We have to get to the courthouse tomorrow morning, and I'm excited about that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because there's going to be more witnesses, and I think day three is going to be more interesting. | ||
| And I think that Alex probably won't be there. | ||
| And I think that'll create less of a severe discomfort. | ||
| Well, the judge and the lawyers were very... | ||
| The judge was very clear that Rob Dew is supposed to be there tomorrow. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Like, he is supposed to be there. | ||
| We will see if they do the Dew. | ||
| Yes, we will see if the Dew does you. | ||
| If so, I hope he's wearing his Kangol hat. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder how tall he is in person. | ||
| I wonder if the room changes when Dew walks in. | ||
| What if Dew is like... | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Dew's here! | ||
| You don't know it, but he has just an animal magnetism. | ||
| Everybody's like, holy shit! | ||
| Watch out! | ||
| This is like a young Bill Clinton walking into the room. | ||
| He can just put his eyes on you and you feel special. | ||
| Rob Dew just breaks out of sex. | ||
| Starts wailing on him. | ||
| Yeah, so I think that'll be interesting. | ||
| And hopefully you can get this audio fixed because... | ||
| I would like to be able to play some clips. | ||
| We're gonna do our best. | ||
| I don't feel like we're at our strongest when we're just relaying things. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We're having fun. | ||
| We are less practiced at just relaying things, and so I think it feels a little bit different. | ||
| But, I mean... | ||
| Which is not to say that clips are any sort of crutch or necessity so much as it is, we're just not practiced at this. | ||
| 700 episodes in, you know, we kind of have a rhythm. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| We have some things that we're used to, and I think the audience has become accustomed to. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And they'll be back. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But yeah, do you have any other thoughts about the experience thus far? | ||
| I will tell one story that when Alex walked into the courtroom and his security detail followed him, two of them went and stood at the back of the room right next to me where I was sitting in what I'll call a pew. | ||
| It is a pew. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it is. | ||
| I looked over and I saw their earpieces and I was like, oh my god, are you guys Alex's security detail? | ||
| Do you want to sit next to me? | ||
| They did not respond and then went and sat over on the other side and just started talking amongst themselves and every now and again looking back at me like I was a threat of some sort. | ||
| You texted me very scared. | ||
| I was not happy about it. | ||
| That was why you were sweating so much. | ||
| I was early in the morning. | ||
| My extreme anxiety has already kicked in because I'm in a courthouse where I'm not supposed to be unless I'm going to go to jail. | ||
| That's the way I think of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's usually why people are there. | ||
| Yeah, so in my head I was already... | ||
| Going to be accidentally convicted of Alex's crimes. | ||
| And then I've got two former Blackwater motherfuckers. | ||
| I think only one of them is former Blackwater. | ||
| Yeah, sure, whatever. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| That idea that you're like, man, if I screw up... | ||
| This is all going to be about me. | ||
| This is what I'm trying to explain about extreme anxiety. | ||
| This was an elaborate trap to jam me up. | ||
| It is nice to think that I'm... | ||
| Oh, Jordan, you're so ridiculous. | ||
| But it's not me. | ||
| I'm not thinking that now. | ||
| It's the sweet, sweet intersection of narcissism and anxiety. | ||
| That's that... | ||
| Man, thy name is Jordan. | ||
| So, we got a lot to enjoy over the coming days and week. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| There will be episodes probably more regularly than normal, but also, I don't want to... | ||
| It all depends on how good you are at getting texts out. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Isn't that the issue? | ||
| That is the issue. | ||
| It's coming down to me. | ||
| So, hopefully... | ||
| I will, for once in my life, step up to the plate. | ||
| I certainly hope you're not like Casey. | ||
| He struck out. | ||
| Yes, I understand. | ||
| The whole town, very sad. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| But we have Glenn Greenwald and Alex Jones doing Q&A. | ||
| We got that coming up. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| We got Alex's War, the documentary about Alex coming up. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| We got some, probably gonna have some chats with some folks who are here. | ||
| There's some folks here. | ||
| Why not talk to them? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Maybe I'll find Rob Dew tomorrow and be drawn in by his charisma, get a job at Infowars. | ||
| Could happen. | ||
| You'll sit right next to Alex and you'll keep him from getting sued again. | ||
| That's your job is just to bite him whenever he says something scary. | ||
| I feel like, from a monetary perspective, that might be worth it for him. | ||
| That might be worth several hundreds of millions of dollars, depending on the judgment in the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My price is not cheap. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because he doesn't look like someone who you want to buy. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not for free, anyways. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Jordan, I guess we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight.go to betjordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DCXClark. | ||
| I am right behind Alex. | ||
| I'm standing right there. | ||
| Don't turn around. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |