#688: May 25, 2022—Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes expose Alex Jones’ Uvalde shooter myths (e.g., demonic possession, "Salvador Ramos" misnaming) as clickbait, ignoring gun regulation or mental health. Callers push absurd theories like drug-testing teachers, HIPAA abolition, and NRA foreknowledge, while Jones pivots to Pfizer’s 2018 sensor (misrepresented as tracking chips) and monkeypox gain-of-function claims—both debunked. His pattern of blaming "globalists" over systemic failures reveals opportunistic misinformation, not solutions. [Automatically generated summary]
So one of the things we talked about having an episode on Wednesday, and we did not because I kind of wanted a little bit more clarity about stuff.
I felt like we still really had our feet on shaky ground in terms of knowing a lot of the concrete details about the police response, about the actual circumstances of the shooting.
I'm not as familiar with Latin as I am with Greek, but I also don't think it's possible for a noun to be declined the way Alex is making Romas mean of Rome.
The AS is not a suffix that's used in the genitive case, which is most commonly used to show possession, like of something.
Son of Rome would generally be expressed as Phileas Romam.
Anyway, Salvador is actually a name that derives from the Spanish and Portuguese for savior, and Ramos means branches.
The point is that Alex is getting the shooter's name wrong so he can incorrectly translate it into something that he can pretend means son of Satan so he can shoehorn his insane worldview that his enemies are possessed by demons into the coverage of the story on a basic level.
And so he killed his grandmother, Mr. Romas, just like Adam Lanza killed his mother with the gun she'd gotten that he had illegally.
And he went out to kill children, just like the left wants to abort the babies even after they're born and have passed laws in several states to do it.
Alex's great last refuge of comparing everything to the evils of his enemies doing abortion.
Yep.
But Ramos didn't kill his grandmother.
He shot her, but she survived.
For Alex to think that she'd been killed, he would have to do like no investigation into the story over the past 24 hours because most of the stories, even the early ones, involve the grandmother calling 911 and she was evacuated to the hospital.
That detail was in early stories.
But we see again this standard deflection.
Instead of dealing with reality as it is, Alex retreats to safer territory that he knows the audience enjoys, namely making everything about abortion and attacking his enemies because like, haha, this is bad, but what about this?
It is so fucking emblematic that it is like, okay, we're going to take something that hurts people who are crying out who we can see the problems with, and then we're going to compare it to something purely abstract.
Just nothing physical, just the idea of abortion is the problem.
There's nothing beyond that other than like, I'm tricking you into thinking that I'm going to report on something like I have information that there's a group behind this or whatever.
And then it's a bait and switch that he's just like, aha, it's Satan.
And they focus in on this event and someone who reportedly killed his grandmother.
The police were looking for him.
The Border Patrol went after him.
He shot at him, went in the building, and quickly killed 19 people, 19 children, two teachers in an unprecedented attack.
And it was a brave lone Border Patrol agent that before the backup got there and everybody put their body armor on and got suited up in their camo, who rushed in and got wounded but killed this son of a bitch.
The son of a bitch is too kind of term for somebody like this.
So this is one of the things that's good to highlight is that there is a difference between something like this, something he's wrong about, but he has every reason to be wrong about.
So since this point, we've seen a lot of information about the police response called into question, but based on the available information, Alex isn't that far off the mark.
That being said, he's still totally wrong about this shooting being quick.
Even early information was clear that it was not a quick thing.
That same Texas Tribune article points out that the shooting began at 11.32 and the school district tweeted a warning about an active shooter at 12.17 p.m. over 45 minutes later.
So I mean, just for some context, it was not like a time for backup.
And we need the teachers armed and we need the principals armed.
And if we got $40 billion to send money to Ukraine for money laundering and $5 billion a month more, we've got the money to have armed police in the schools.
And that is exactly what the Democrats are trying to stop.
They want the police out of the schools, and then they want to advertise for psychopathic demons the option, like on a menu, death by cop, suicide yourself, kill your grandma, kill your mom.
No, the big bonanza is go shoot up in elementary school as they hype it.
So I have to say that that comes off completely hollow and meaningless, just a diversion from the point as opposed to actually being a solution.
There's two problems with the prescription Alex is yelling about here.
The first is that he believes teachers are trying to groom all the students into being LGBTQ.
And even beyond that, he thinks the public schools are tools of the globalists who use them to get parents in trouble with the child protective service.
Also, they teach your kids to hate you and think you're a racist.
But now he wants them armed.
This doesn't track at all because it's not a sincere position.
It's just a way to yell about something that you think could be a distraction from conversations about gun regulation and domestically violent men.
The second problem is that money that's being sent to aid Ukraine is from the federal government.
Is Alex saying that he wants the federal government to arm teachers?
Because that seems exactly like something he wouldn't want happening.
But he's saying that we can afford to do this by appealing to the aid being sent to Ukraine.
Another devil worshiper, another person in the shoot-'em-up games, another person who killed his grandmother, reportedly, and then went and did this terrible thing.
And now we are all told we are collectively to blame for what this devil did.
But I want you to think for a moment: gun owners are not collectively to blame.
That Border Patrol agent that valiantly went in and stopped what was happening and got wounded himself, is it to blame?
He's the good guy.
And you're good.
You didn't do this.
But we are to blame for letting society become this demonic.
Why is he trying to make all devil worshipers collectively to blame for the actions of one shooter?
There are tons of people out there who identify as Satanists who don't commit any violent act.
So it doesn't seem like there's something inherently violent about it.
Like, I'm all for not blaming all gun owners because that's sloppy and not productive.
But I want to know why Alex thinks that's so wrong, yet he blames all Satanists for the actions of this one person who Alex can't even prove was into Satanism.
Alex can't prove that he was a Satanist and yet is blaming the shooting on all Satanists.
Yet I can easily prove that the shooter was a gun owner and I'm not blaming all gun owners.
Seems like Alex is the one who's engaging in the inappropriate levels of assigning collective blame here.
Well, if you think someone's going to do that to you, regardless of whether or not they do that, it's a wiser idea to come back twice as hard at somebody else with the same bullshit while claiming that you're actually the one who's doing it.
So we have on this episode something that we see a lot of times after like sort of big events that are kind of difficult for Alex to really talk about in any organic way.
Like a lot of this stuff is kind of boilerplate stuff like arm teachers.
There could be a reason why you'd be in a bunch of different districts.
Like, there is a position I can imagine that exists there.
But that to me, I think that if you were in that kind of a role where you're in a bunch of different districts, you probably would have less time intimately knowing the students.
So, yeah, I think that there's a fun thing here where it's like, look, that next five minutes, no one, the audience dips quite a bit because we're not on the radio for that.
Other stations are playing their own top of the hour identification stuff.
And look, if I had Twitter, I would tweet out that there are special ed teachers on.
At the end of the first hour, if you just joined us, we went to a caller, rubbing the phones up for people specifically in Texas or Uvalde, or from those in the school.
And the caller sounds very credible and very informed and said, look, I'm a special ed teacher.
That's not to say that it's definitely a prank or a liar.
I have no idea, but I also don't have any solid confirmation that Ramos was in the special needs program.
This may be a real caller who worked with him, or it may be a Texas special education teacher who's misremembering working with him, or it could all be bogus.
But the important thing is that Alex has no idea what the deal is, and it's very unwise for him to act like this.
The lack of any vetting and acceptance of whatever claims are convenient for you is a bad way to go about doing a news show.
And obviously the caller can fill us in on that and I'll get more into the MO and the criminology of this, but it just fits the same pattern, just like Cruz at Parkland and the police stood down there.
At the same time, I don't feel like he's obsessing about that story that much, but I do think that holding on to it is more important than necessarily pushing a stand down in this instance.
To kind of preset this, I've got I studied special education in graduate school in Texas.
I'll probably get demonized from that because now I'm an open Infowars listener.
I've been that way a long time.
I haven't always agreed with everything you say, Alex, but I do respect you.
And so long story short, those kids had hope, right?
Whenever the economy was good.
And you have to understand people don't have very much.
And what they do have, they're proud.
They're very warm people.
They're just good people.
And so basically what happens is, is when that pandemic starts, a lot of these kids that needed our direction and our structure lost it because they weren't there with us.
And there's a lot of good teachers out there that care.
On the one hand, it's good because he's making the shooting about the pandemic, which Alex can work with.
That's an acceptable distraction from the idea of talking about gun regulation or building up red flag laws for domestically violent people.
On the other hand, this caller's entire premise is so counter to InfoWars ideology that Alex should hang up on him, even if this guy was a teacher in Uvalde.
This guy is saying that one of the driving forces behind the shooting was that the pandemic happened and these students who needed the structure of public schools didn't have school anymore and they fell apart.
Alex hates public schools.
He thinks they're globalist indoctrination centers and would be more consistent with his positions if he argued that being in a special education program was proof that Ramos was being mind-controlled by the school.
That would be the position he should be taking.
Alex should respond to this by accusing the guy of advocating for locking everyone up in school prisons.
He constantly yells about how the state doesn't need to raise your children as an attack on public schools.
But I guess in this case, it's okay as a thing for the caller to promote.
You're obviously being respectful and not specifically talking about him, but this is a big public interest.
You're anonymous here.
What did you observe?
I've seen articles by his friends saying in the last year or so he disappeared during the lockdown, got really dark, started self-harming himself, got obsessed with shoot-about games, started getting into dark, occultic stuff.
What child or young man did you see versus the one that reportedly did this atrocity?
There's no real information that's being transferred.
And part of that makes me think that maybe he was actually involved in the Texas school districts in some way, because if it was someone goofing or like being like a hoax, you probably would have something a little bit more interesting.
And that's, that's kind of my vibe is that maybe he's exaggerating.
Maybe he's not necessarily making everything up, but I think he might be inserting himself into the story where I think sometimes that's the way people process things.
They're now saying he drove around with friends and egged cars and shot people with BB guns.
And then you get in a worse and worse group and it goes from egging and BB guns to real guns.
I never shot people with BB guns, but I did on Halloween run around and, you know, throw eggs at people.
And then it escalated to, you know, throwing a pumpkin off of a bridge that hit a pickup truck could have killed people.
And that's about the worst stuff I've done.
But some of those friends I had then got in trouble later, years later, after I'd already moved out of where I lived for things like arson and went to jail.
So that's that downward spiral you're talking about.
From what I can see in the reports, the attack unit from the Border Patrol just happened to be almost like right in that area, and they responded before they even had backup, which is a testament to how great our law enforcement is.
And I think the only short way and the quick way to solve this is to immediately put more police in all schools.
Well, some may mean well in some cases, but the empirical evidence shows that there are side effects of having police in schools that aren't necessarily positive.
I don't think, I don't agree with the fact that he could legally purchase any kind of weapon at 18 without going through some sort of mental evaluation.
Well, I mean, you just have to, like, if you want to stop this Satan problem, which is caused by the mind control of the globalists, you have to destroy all vestiges of culture that isn't pure flesh.
And I think that to some degree, when you hear these conversations, what you should really take away from them is the solutions that they're proposing aren't solutions because they don't want public schools to continue to exist.
Uh-uh.
If there are continued mass shootings constantly, that works in the favor of the right-wing ideology because eventually maybe it'll get to a point where it's just unsustainable to have public schools.
The UN said two years ago the lockdowns were going to put 278 million people, they estimated, on the verge of starvation, and an extra 20 million a year would die.
Because let me tell you something, I'm God-fearing, and I've got a spirit, and it's connected to things.
And, you know, I'm not going to tell the story.
It's just too intense.
And I said I go to your calls, but I had a vision when I was three years old.
It's one of my earliest, most intense memories.
And it was starving African children that were just crying out for food.
And my parents heard me crying in my room in the middle of the night and they came in.
And my parents remember this.
And it was very intense.
And it was a recurring dream after that.
And it was real what I was seeing.
And I didn't understand it all, obviously, when I was three years old, but it was a mission to not let what was coming even bigger happen.
And I remember spiritually feeling the Holy Spirit incredibly intense and like giving me an imprint of information that you're going to help mitigate this.
You're going to help stop this.
This is your mission.
And I remember being given this total sorrow and the desperation of those children.
And it was the most intense thing that's ever happened to me in my life.
Bar none.
Nothing's ever been one-tenth as intense.
And it's a lot more complex than that.
And I try to never talk about it to even friends or family.
If Alex had this vision and it was the most intense thing he ever felt and it was God giving him a mission, you would think that maybe he would have made food insecurity in the developing world a really important part of his career.
Like, you know, it would be the focus of one of his 12 documentaries, maybe.
I mean, generally speaking, if I was three years old and given a vision and the purpose from God to fight one of the horsemen single-handedly, I would have not started info wars.
It's also so weird how this only comes up when there's some other political point Alex is trying to make by using starving people as a prop.
And he doesn't really seem to give a shit about the issue outside of that context.
All you need to know is that before Trump, the only politician Alex ever went to bat for was Ron Paul, who made the elimination of all foreign aid one of the pillars of his runs for the presidency, which Alex supported wholeheartedly.
The elimination of foreign aid would kill a number of people that would be so hard to estimate, given how much of our aid goes to things like the eradication of smallpox, programs that fight infant and maternal fatalities, and the humanitarian concerns of all sorts.
For Alex, the image of people starving in the developing world isn't something that he saw in a vision when he was three and has informed his career ever since.
It's a prop he can use to push other agendas he actually cares about, like agitating against COVID restrictions and minimizing the murder of 19 elementary school children.
He's a colossal piece of shit, and it's degrading how he tries to wrap up his detestable politics in the veneer of some kind of holy quest of compassion that God gave him in his childhood.
How is it that you can, it's a human fucked up thing that you can point to a problem that's unsolvable as a way to avoid solving a problem that is solvable.
So, you might notice that Alex will sometimes mention how we need to lift up these people in the developing world, but he won't ever really expand on what that means outside of just insisting that the political positions he already holds will have the side effect of lifting them up.
I mean, it really feels like what he's trying to do here is a response to what he's done in the past: of like, here are the things that I've always done, and I'm going to try different ones today.
I have no idea why this caller is suggesting all this shit.
It almost seems like just a list of non-sequiturs.
That said, it's not like no schools have armed guards.
For the year 2015 to 2016, the National Center for Education Statistics reported 42.9% of all public schools had, quote, sworn law enforcement officers routinely carrying a firearm.
In 2021, researchers at SUNY Albany looked at the school data from 2014 to 2018 in order to assess what effect having armed officers in schools had.
They found that having an armed school resource officer, quote, marginally increases the likelihood of a school shooting, but they do point out that it's a small increase.
On the flip side, quote, the introduction of an SRO does appear to improve general student safety by decreasing non-firearm-related violent offenses, such as physical attacks and fights.
It's probably hard to attribute the slight increase in the likelihood of a shooting to the presence of the officer, but it seems like a pretty decent chance that the decrease in fights is probably due to them being there.
Not necessarily the fact that they have a gun, but a security officer would tend to have that effect.
But there's a big downside that the study also found from the study, quote, this benefit comes at a high cost of increased disciplinary responses by both the school and law enforcement.
We find that SROs increase the incidence of in-school suspension, out-of-school suspension, expulsion, police referral, and arrest, particularly in middle and high schools.
For many of these disciplinary consequences, the increased use of punishment is over two times larger for black students than white students and significantly larger for students with disabilities than students without disabilities.
SROs also increase the rate of chronic absenteeism.
The idea of just dropping an armed guard into a school and considering the job done here isn't a solution.
There are very troubling side effects that appear to be related to that decision that need to be weighed against the illusion of safety that it provides.
And I think it's just much more complicated than the idea of like, let's put an army in there or whatever.
So it's interesting that Alex is like, all right, it's not a police state because there's all these psychos and what have you.
And I mean, if I were a conspiracy theorist who was like just sort of competing with Alex, I would suggest maybe that, ah, but look, the globalists are really just creating the idea that there's a bunch of psychos around in order for them to get a police state in that you would accept.
So, like, yeah, I think it's interesting that this caller is like, you know, things are popping off on social media, and it's like liberals being mean to conservatives.
And like, you know, Paul Gosar shared that misidentification of the shooter.
You know, that Candace Owens quite late got in that game.
Like, you know, that's a much more meaningful thing that was happening on social media.
Much more damaging than libs being mad at conservatives or whatever.
Yeah, but I mean, that narrative was so ingrained from like, what, 2014 on of just like liberals are always blame everybody after a tragedy and all that stuff.
And now, and then like, it just, everybody who tried that just kind of stopped.
But the conservatives are like, well, we can just still keep saying that.
Well, I mean, I think also like a lot of Alex's and people sort of in his same territory, a lot of their politics revolves around aggrievement and feelings of persecution.
And so projecting those onto the rest of the world feels right.
And so there's something that's sort of emotionally satisfying and familiar about Dealing with all of these situations that way.
I think that that explains some of it.
So the Dems, though, they'd be totally fine if just some circumstances were slightly different with the shooting.
I mean, look, I understand that maybe there's some tone that we don't quite capture or whatever that, like, this is understood by some people as an exaggeration or some sort of thing.
But, like, it doesn't feel like it.
It feels like they're legitimately saying, like, oh, if you just shot pregnant women or babies, it would be totally fine with the Dems who want to abort people after they're born.
Yeah, no, that's, that's, I mean, we're at, we're at, they're going to start just murdering the left.
I mean, that's fucking that.
If you can respond to a school shooting with the liberals are so evil they want to kill babies, then you, there's, then they're, there, then we're not humans.
We're not.
You cannot believe that I'm a human being and I would be like stoked if a guy murdered a bunch of babies.
So Alex wants to get into a little bit of the news, a little bit of headlines from a couple weeks ago, apparently.
But the story is essentially meant to deliver the point that, you know, when gun things happen, the Dems like to make a big deal out of these things they can capitalize on.
But then when their Antifa goons go out and do violence and shoot people, they never get in trouble.
No prison time for a man who shot Aurora protesters while aiming at Jeep driving through the crowd on I-225.
The man who shot two people while aiming at a Jeep that drove into a crowd of protesters, which is driving through them, on Interstate 225 in the summer of 2020, was sentenced Tuesday to 120 days in jail, followed by five months probation, but it's all time served.
Samuel Young 24.
Can we pull this picture up?
Just type in this article.
No prison time for man who shot Aurora protesters.
Yeah, but this is also just a weird case for Alex to use.
So this was a situation where there was a protest in Aurora, Colorado, and a Jeep was not just driving slowly through a crowd the way Alex is making it sound.
In that situation, this guy that Alex is talking about fired some shots at the Jeep and ended up hitting two other protesters.
It was dumb.
The guy has apologized and taken full responsibility for his actions, and he never would have used the gun if it weren't a situation where he felt that there was an immediate threat, although his calculation may have been a little bit off.
Also, the victims asked the court for restorative justice, which the judge took into consideration.
The person driving the Jeep also didn't get charged with anything.
So, all in all, considering that the victims weren't severely injured and the fact that they, you know, were not in favor of him getting any jail time, it seems like this should be more of a teachable situation as opposed to one to use for outrage bait.
Yeah, the guy has different politics than Alex, though, so it's just proof that the left and the globalists get away with everything while trying to make a big deal out of mass shootings at elementary schools.
Yeah, and I mean, the hypocrisy of that, of somehow, the left is getting away with everything.
If this was if, you know, a right-wing protester shooting at a left-wing driver in a car, Alex would be like, I wish he would kill more left-wing people driving in cars.
Another thing, Alex, we got to get the hell out of this virtual world.
This virtual world is blending into our third world, our 3D reality.
We've lost touch.
We've lost connection.
There's no more neighbors reaching out to each other.
Hell, I saw a couple neighbors having a crawfish boy, and they could only get three or four neighbors to come over and eat crawfish with them because they were all scared by the damn media.
You know, something that somebody's not bringing up is the fact that the NRA is having their annual convention in Houston this weekend with a lot of Republican, Texas Republicans are going to be there.
So if you listen to this show, you'll notice a trend, and that is that a lot of the callers are trying to float possible pieces of evidence that they can use to argue that there was foreknowledge of the attack, and then they're trying to workshop a motive.
It almost feels like they're reaching out to Alex to get his blessing on this reason that they're suspicious, and he pretty much unfailingly will give them the reassurance they're looking for.
It's a super unhealthy dynamic.
Like this guy is calling in and saying, isn't it weird that the NRA conference is coming up in Houston?
And Alex is like, that is very suspicious timing, encouraging this line of thought that this guy is clearly on.
If the NRA meeting has anything to do with the shooting that happened prior to the NRA meeting, then it had to have been scheduled to be before the NRA meeting, which means there was a plan that has something to do with being opposed to the NRA.
And that gear that guy had, from what I understand, being interested in guns myself, that he had something like $3,500 worth of gear there, maybe more, depending on the quality of the guns.
Yeah, I mean, you want to say that we're more complex animals, but boy, positive validation really goes a long fucking way towards getting you to do weird shit.
He's really become more of a media personality in fringe right-wing talk shows and going on the Reawaken America tour that was full of lunatics and some stand-up comedy from Jim Brewer.
A September 2021 article in the Washington Post describes his litigation history like this: quote, all but two of the eight coronavirus-related federal lawsuits Renz has filed are in their early stages.
The exemptions are the suit against the hospital system in Michigan that was withdrawn on September 10th, days after it was filed, and one against Ohio officials that was withdrawn in March after a judge said it was nearly, quote, incomprehensible.
Also, before finally passing the bar in 2019 on his fifth attempt, Renz worked at a credit union where multiple women made sexual harassment complaints against him.
One of them, including an instance where he, quote, slipped his hand down the front of my upper breast and commented, oops.
He, all in all, seems like a real asshole and someone who's found a pretty lucrative hustle for himself in the anti-vex world.
So I guess he's coming on to talk about the terror of monkeypox.
This is a comment that the CEO of Pfizer made in 2018 about a bill of five my site, which is a unique medication used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and depression.
It contains a sensor which, quote, sends a message to a wearable patch that transmits information to a mobile app.
This is discussed in the context of breakthroughs in medicine and is specifically in response to a question from someone in the audience that essentially is asking, you know, you can create the best medication around, but it doesn't matter if a patient doesn't take it.
What's being done on the technological side there?
So this clip took off in dumb-dumb anti-vax and COVID conspiracy circles, and countless memes have been shared with no context applied with people claiming that it's a recent clip and that it had something to do with the pandemic.
Alex and Renz are just reposting that meme while pretending that they're doing some kind of reporting and embarrassingly, Alex decides that this is where he's going to take a shot at the mainstream media for not playing clips.
Well, let me open up with one thing super important, Alex.
I want to respond to that last clip that you just played because those two arrogant pieces of garbage that are out there telling us what they're going to do and laughing about you being in good company.
And me and a whole bunch of other nobodies from little places in the United States has stood up and we are at a much lower rate of vaccination than you ever thought we would be.
You thought you were going to take us over.
You didn't know.
We no buddies, we are the resistance.
We, the people, thanks to Alex Jones, we have a voice.
The only reason that Thomas Renz doesn't know what the situation is with monkeypox is because he is an idiot and he hasn't looked into it at all.
He's a right-wing clout doctor writing his anti-vex shit for all it's worth, and he sees another fun season of scamming from monkeypox if he plays his cards right.
If Renz has spent a couple minutes on the subject before writing that sub stack and coming on Alex's show to discuss a topic he knows nothing about, he would know that samples from the current outbreak have been studied and are clearly from the West African strain that has existed for a long time.
There are a number of theories about exactly how the outbreak has happened, a couple of them involving raves and large gatherings in various countries.
Sure.
But more will likely be known specifically in time.
What there is currently no evidence of is that monkeypox was made in the lab as a bioweapon or is going to lead to lockdowns or forced vaccinations.
That's all just the dumb bullshit that people like Alex and Renz use to keep their customer base scared and in their customer base.
Yeah, you know, it's been a long time since we've had to use that old adage, you know, a rave in Denmark means monkeypox in Florida, but it's holding strong.
But I think, like, unfortunately, you did have that exact dynamic playing out just in like under-the-surface conspiracy communities with like terrorist attacks.
And we either defeat this evil or it will continue coming after us until they're getting us into a rhythm of lockdowns and surveillance and forced injection.
They're getting us into the new normal in their own words.
So yeah, we'll be back on Monday and we'll track a little bit further down the road and see how things go as details start to emerge and Alex has to deal with stuff that might be in his kind of wheelhouse.