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June 6, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#689: May 26, 2022

#689: May 26, 2022—Alex Jones pivots from a bizarre "truck-murder" tennis claim to the Uvalde shooting, where he initially blamed police before retracting, citing Tim Inlow’s unverified testimony about an armored door and hostage standoff. Critics highlight his inconsistency: pushing AR-15s in schools while mocking security measures like fences, then deflecting to "psychotics" and conspiracy theories like KDIR’s document control. His coin promotion hijacks the episode, exposing a pattern of weaponizing crises for profit under the guise of activism. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 14:49
d
dan friesen
44:32
j
jordan holmes
20:50
t
tim enlow
07:04
Appearances
Clips
h
harrison smith
infowars 00:21
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Reddit alert.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for watching.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fifth-pin color.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your word.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFatM Dam.
I'm Jordan.
We're couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that the Dreamy Creamy Summer keeps on rolling.
Although I don't know if it would roll, it would sort of...
jordan holmes
It would splat.
dan friesen
It's splatting a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's splat all over the sidewalk.
dan friesen
Right.
It is melting downhill or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But today I'd like to give a shout out to something that I have enjoyed.
And so this is a tip of the cream to you.
jordan holmes
No, Disqualified.
dan friesen
Turn of the cream.
Turn of the cream counts.
Okay.
Cool house.
H-A-U-S.
Cool house.
Got a street churro flavored ice cream.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Having a cone.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
It's pretty nice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I enjoy it.
I don't think it's great.
Well, I don't know.
Maybe it's.
jordan holmes
I mean, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
Maybe it's good.
Maybe it's not.
I don't know, but I enjoy it.
Nice little bit of chocolate and cinnamon situation going on.
Great.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that.
If you like that.
Jenny's cinnamon roll.
Ooh, I can see that's the shit.
dan friesen
I could see that.
Also, everyone, stop sending me pictures of the grey boupon ice cream.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got the mustards.
dan friesen
I can tell you the grey boupon.
I don't know if that's real or not.
I don't care.
I will not be eating it.
jordan holmes
Maybe I would.
That's going to be at the end of the Dreamy Creamy Summer.
That's going to be like the demarcation, but that's like the end of the 70s.
You know, you'll know whenever everybody has gone to shit.
That's the way you do it.
dan friesen
We could.
Well, I mean, the Dreamy Creamy Summer does go till September 11th.
That's true.
It would make sense that we end with a mustard ice cream.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That is true.
dan friesen
It's very disrespectful.
Never forget.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan.
You would think, today being today, that Rafa winning his 14th French Open would be my bright spot.
dan friesen
I thought that happened already.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
He defeated Jokovich in the 45th.
dan friesen
Oh, sorry, sorry.
jordan holmes
You see, that's why it's not my bright spot because defeating Djokovic was winning the French Open.
What he did to a, let's call him a man, but what he left with today would make him suggest that he was not.
Rafa murdered this man.
dan friesen
The young guy who is a hot shot that you are into.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no, no, different guy.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He got, he lost, not important.
Okay.
This is a different guy.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
He's good.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
Made it all the way to the final of the French Open.
dan friesen
Got to be good to do that.
jordan holmes
And then Rafa committed what could be described as vehicular manslaughter.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
And he hit him with a truck.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Dude only won six games in three sets.
6-3-6-3-6-0.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
But that's not my bright spot, Dan.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
My bright spot.
dan friesen
I don't know how to assess that as a tennis score, but it doesn't sound good.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's real bad.
All right.
jordan holmes
Nope.
My bright spot is last night.
My partner and I went to see Sega Rose in concert.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
First time in 15 years, they are absolutely as good as they were.
dan friesen
I'm sorry I couldn't join you.
I was busy working on this episode, and then my computer crashed, and I lost everything I did.
Do it all over again.
jordan holmes
So, you maybe should have just gone with it.
dan friesen
In hindsight, it would have been about equal if I've been about the same.
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
Except you would have gotten to see Sega Rose.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's true.
But it was a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, amazing.
Yeah.
You can't describe a Seeger Rose concert.
Like, my partner, she is not an interested fan of Seeger Rose by any stretch of the imagination.
But when you see them live, it's not just that.
It's an experience.
No, it's more like art installation.
Like, it's a full-on thing.
Sure.
Like, and it's amazing.
And she loved it.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, what is not an art installation is the episode.
Oh, boy.
We are continuing our path through Alex Jones' coverage after the Uvalde shooting and the subsequent corrections of misstatements made by public officials in Texas.
And today marks when some of the stuff was starting to get a little bit murkier.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And some of the initial reports were very clearly like, we got some of this shit all wrong.
jordan holmes
I mean, the weirdest part about living in the future now is that we know what we're going to listen to.
The corrections themselves are lies.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So it's like we're going to hear them correct their own lies with new lies, and we're going to be like, this is what's supposed to be happening today.
dan friesen
I get that.
And simultaneously, we don't really know even as we sit here today 100% of what you would really need to know in order to fully address some of Alex's claims and this whole thing.
We can deal with it as it appears, and we can definitely see trends and behaviors.
And so while perhaps some of the fact-checking aspect of it might be a little bit, we may have to leave that for posterity to some extent.
But yeah, this episode's pretty interesting, I would say.
I think there are some very out-of-character moves that he makes that I'm still not quite sure what I think about.
And I might need your help to talk through a little.
But before we get to that, let's take a little moment, Jordan, say hello to some new wonks.
Oh, that's a great idea.
So, first, Jane the Naya here asking all the listeners to play We Know the Devil.
It's a great game on Switch and Steam, and Alex would hate it.
Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Alex Jones, the lazy man's quasats haterach.
jordan holmes
Quizatz Haderak.
dan friesen
I'm sure it's a Dune reference for all of you.
jordan holmes
It is a dune reference.
dan friesen
Anyway, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Aiton Downtown Austin didn't get mugged.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, the Shookster.
Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And I don't know who Andy from Kansas isn't at this point.
I'm too afraid to ask.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, we got a couple of technocrats in the mix.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Coincidentally, there were requests to play the old technocrat drop.
Now, there are more than two.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, which old technocrat drop.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I've got one, and I hope it's the right one.
jordan holmes
Am I going to have to say Caribbean black accent again?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
alex jones
We'll find out.
dan friesen
I can't remember which one is which.
jordan holmes
I don't remember which one I did.
dan friesen
So anyway, thank you so much to been listening since 2017 and I'm so damn proud of you guys.
You are now a technocrat.
And Kevin, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go honky and mother telling you, brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
That was a pretty good drop.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Whoever made that one had a good answer.
He had some good instincts.
We should give that dude a show.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Forgot about some of those comments.
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going over May 26th, 2022.
And actually, when the show opens, somebody is missing an action.
harrison smith
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the Alex Jones Show.
I'm Harrison Smith sitting in momentarily for Alex Jones.
He had a family engagement that he's doing right now.
So he'll be in within the hour, the bottom of the hour, maybe 30 or 45 minutes.
But I'm just going to cover some of the news here in the meantime, but he is on his way.
dan friesen
So as it turns out, Alex shows up 47 minutes into the show.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not great.
dan friesen
I believe, as he explains it, it was his youngest child's graduation from kindergarten.
unidentified
Oh, good for that.
dan friesen
For some things, and I am definitely willing to believe that.
jordan holmes
That's a worthy cause to take off work.
I support that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
No shade or anything except for that it was Harrison that said that's not great.
jordan holmes
I think if I were an InfoWars listener, the saddest words in the world would be, welcome to the Alex Jones show.
I'm Harrison Smith.
dan friesen
It's underwhelming for sure.
It's not what you're looking for.
No.
Yeah, like a lot of times, you know, you get a strong sense that Alex is playing with lawyers or something.
unidentified
But this is about the right time of year for it.
dan friesen
In the right time of day.
jordan holmes
No, the whole thing.
dan friesen
You can't reschedule that or anything.
jordan holmes
Listen, InfoWars is going to go away.
But your daughter's there forever.
dan friesen
It's nothing if not a family show.
Exactly.
unidentified
And why didn't they broadcast it on live?
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex comes in 47 minutes into the show, and here's where he's at.
alex jones
We have a correction to make.
And when we get things wrong, we want to make corrections.
We don't get things wrong on purpose.
And I want to be very, very clear.
That's an absurdity that we're not also blaming the police.
We have a lot of inside information that's also been confirmed.
And we have Tim Inlow, who is a police trainer all over central Texas and who actually is the main trainer for some of the larger cities and their schools and police departments and courthouses.
He's also the head of our security, but he works almost every weekend and takes off many times during the week as part of his contract with us to continue on with his other separate work.
So he specifically has a lot of sources, a lot of intel.
dan friesen
So Tim Inlow is Alex's security guy.
He was also with him on January 1st.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, it's that guy, right?
dan friesen
He used to be with Blackwater.
jordan holmes
Our mercenary has told us exactly.
dan friesen
Former mercenary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, our soldier of fortune.
dan friesen
So it's weird that Alex is coming right out of the gate being like, we have a correction to make.
Because that's not normal behavior for him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But I think in one of these instances, the correction is much easier to swallow if you're someone like Alex because everybody's making corrections left and right.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody has been like, wow, I nailed it.
Zero people.
dan friesen
I think the only people who have not had to make corrections are people who just said, I don't know what's going on.
I'm not going to say anything.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so I think that he recognizes that temperature is there and he has a chance to pivot off whatever narratives he's on and he can start over.
jordan holmes
True freedom.
True freedom.
dan friesen
And you can do that through a correction.
And so here is basically him doing that.
alex jones
So he specifically has a lot of sources, a lot of intel.
And what I was already hearing this morning was that the police thought it was a hostage situation because he wasn't shooting people.
He went and held a class hostage.
And then when they started trying to bust in to stop it, he killed the kids.
And so everybody's saying, oh, the police are up there tackling people.
They're tasering people.
It's a horrible image, and you're a parent, you want to get in to save your children.
And it probably would have been better just to rush in, but then you could have got a bunch of kids shot in that process.
It's a hostage situation, and it's the killer's fault that this happened.
dan friesen
So it looks like the way Alex is going to try to make sense of the delayed police response and the new information that's coming out is by claiming that it wasn't actually a school shooting, but instead was a hostage situation.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I can kind of understand how Alex would be coming to this point, but there's still major holes in this idea.
It would make sense to claim that maybe the police thought that it was a hostage situation, but even that doesn't really make sense given the information available.
Also, just one small note, and this is going to be a little bit murky territory.
Alex is openly talking about having behind-the-scenes secret sources of information.
So, the way I was looking at this with like judging him solely by what's public information, that kind of can't be how we approach this anymore.
And we can have a little bit more of our own actual awareness of information.
Right.
So, I don't know.
It's not going to be perfect, but he is no longer bound by the public information rules.
So, on May 27th, the Texas Department of Safety director and colonel Stephen McGraw gave a press conference where he explained the police decision to not barge through the classroom door.
This was the result of the commander on scene making the incorrect determination that the situation had transitioned from an active shooter to a barricaded suspect, which meant deploying different tactics.
That explanation included a determination that because there were so many shots fired immediately, there was likely no one alive in the classroom, and that possibly the shooter was trying to lure them in so he could commit suicide by cop.
Sure, so that also has problems because there were 911 calls that they received, said the people were alive.
And so, I don't know how that assessment makes sense, but using that kind of view, you can kind of see how Alex could make a leap to hostage situations.
Sure, sure.
But there's still problems.
The first is that the police didn't treat this like a hostage situation, they allegedly thought there were no more children at risk and didn't think that the shooter had hostages, according to the statements that were made in that press conference.
And there wasn't like a hostage negotiator that came in that didn't slide a phone in or anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Alex has some very basic details in here wrong, particularly the part about the shooter not killing people initially.
Ultimately, it's nice of him to do a correction, but he's going to have to do another correction on top of this one.
jordan holmes
I mean, why bother at this point in time?
You know, the correction you make is this: they started saying some shit, and that doesn't track because that's also not the same shit they said earlier.
And now, when we said that it doesn't track, they said some different shit.
So, here's what we're going to do: here's my correction: those motherfuckers is lying.
dan friesen
He can't do that, and I'll explain why later.
No, obviously, but you know, you have to do something, I think, because Alex's entire narrative of the shooting hinged around the idea that this hero cop went in and took the shooter out quickly.
And that was something that was sold on his show.
And so, now you need to, as more details come out, people in your audience are probably going to hear these things that are contradictory to the story that you've told.
So, you can't keep going the same direction, you have to go a slightly different direction.
And this is an interesting way to do it.
I think it's bad, though.
Yeah, it doesn't, it does not hold up.
jordan holmes
It's real bad.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, anyway, the problem is that Alex listened to the mainstream news.
That was really the problem.
jordan holmes
That was a terrible idea.
alex jones
The correction is we went with the mainstream news that as soon as this guy ran out of his vehicle, crashed it, ran into the school.
First, he shot at people at a funeral home across the street.
Then he ran out of school.
And that within minutes, this Board Patrol agent went in and killed him and got wounded.
That's not what happened.
It is the Board Patrol agent that was going to the school first and was outside the door and made the decision when he heard the shooting start to get through.
But the door is designed to not let shooters get in.
So it was a big steel barricaded door.
So he had to then find a panic teacher while the shooting's going on and while bullets are coming through the door at him.
This is coming out to get the damn door open.
So very easy to blame the police.
And when the police are bad, we'll tell you about it, obviously.
You can call in if you want.
We'll hear your views on this.
But the left is using this for more defund the police, more federalize the police.
dan friesen
So there's no indication that the classroom door operates the way Alex is describing, like some kind of a panic room situation where once a lockdown is initiated, it can't be opened except by a very specific action.
It was just locked.
Colonel McCraw was very clear that not breaking down the door was a decision the police made based on a miscalculation of the situation.
And in his press conference, it's even discussed how Ramos entered the classroom, locked the door, and then unlocked it to momentarily enter the hallway, only to re-enter the room and re-lock the door.
Two additional problems with this idea Alex is putting forth here are one, if the police had a convenient excuse like we literally could not open that door, that would have been front and center as an explanation for what happened because it would make a lot of the worst details of this police response easier to understand.
It would be like, well, now we have a new problem we need to look at, which is...
jordan holmes
They would be over the moon constantly repeating like, oh, we did everything we possibly could!
Oh, no, we were so great.
dan friesen
Fingers would be pointing to the manufacturer of the door.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, it would, it would be a, and it would be a sensible deflection of the conversation.
jordan holmes
People would have been like, here's the problem.
Our guns weren't big enough to blow up that door.
And we would have given more money to the cops.
Like, that's the level of bullshit we would be dealing with.
dan friesen
Definitely would have been a big proposal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
How about everybody has bazookas just all the time?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so the second problem here is that that door, whatever it is, that has no bearing on the situation if it actually was a hostage situation.
You can take hostages in a bank vault or a treehouse.
Like, ultimately, this just feels like a way that Alex is trying to make sure no one in the audience has too much of a bad feeling about the police.
Like, Mr. Police State, really, it hits different in 2022.
jordan holmes
I think the one thing that really disappoints me about the ideological realignment is that the left and the sovereign citizen adjacent types should be in complete accord regarding cops only.
Just like cops, you know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
And not, well, not like, not, okay, well, not all the way like the sovereign citizens.
dan friesen
They think you can kill cops at traffic.
jordan holmes
All the way.
Not all the way.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
But I just, but you also not the other direction where you defend them unquestioningly.
dan friesen
That is kind of strange.
This impetus on Alex's part, but I think I do understand why.
And we'll get to that as we go along.
I think I get that aspect of this.
jordan holmes
Guns are more important than not living in a police state.
dan friesen
I don't think that's what's going on.
I think that there are certain dynamics that are essential for what Alex is doing that require him to not be critical of the police.
Gotcha.
And I think he makes that too clear.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex really is into this new narrative that it was primarily a hostage situation and not actually a school shooting.
alex jones
But this garbage went on.
We're now learning for an hour, and then he started executing the children and the two teachers that had been in the classroom.
So that's what's going on.
And the details are coming out.
The Democratic Party is seizing on this and not even getting into the real issues.
And so we're going to continue to try to give you the best, most accurate information we can.
Now, again, Tim Inlo did not want to come on yesterday, and he did not want to come on Monday night because he didn't have information.
He's ready to come on at 12:30, bottom of the hour, in about 40 minutes from now to break it all down for you.
He's on the phone right now, calling his contacts.
He's obviously got contacts everywhere.
dan friesen
So he's got Tim Inlo, the ex-Merc who's going to be his expert.
And that's going to take up a large portion of this episode.
His interview with Tim, which is less productive than you might think.
I don't know why.
I don't know what you would say.
jordan holmes
How productive would you think it would be?
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I was in trouble as soon as I started that sentence.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
When she said the word productive, you were like, why am I here?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So before Tim comes in, there's other things Alex needs to complain about.
So he's got to keep spinning that plate that has the word monkeypox on it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Now, a lot of other stuff's going on, obviously, with the new lockdowns they're pushing, the monkeypox fear-mongering.
And finally, a lot of leaders, not just here, but around the world, are getting it.
So going through my stack today, I ran across six or seven articles where people are saying, you know, if there's new lockdowns, it's going to kill tens of millions more people.
We can't allow this.
And cutting off the fossil fuels is going to kill hundreds of millions over the next decade, if not billions, as society collapses.
But still, even the news gets it wrong.
Like, oh, the left just has bad policies.
They don't know what they're doing.
Or Mao Zedong had bad policies that killed 80 million Chinese.
He didn't know what he was doing.
Or Stalin and Lenin had bad policies.
They didn't know what they were doing that killed 20 million plus people.
No, they're doing it on purpose to take over society and their own admissions.
Here's one of the headlines: Leftists are about to kill millions of people right before our eyes.
That is a very important step because we need to remember all the murder and death and war and open borders and human smuggling and everything that's going on while the media takes a horrible tragedy like this and blows it up to make the biggest thing in the world.
And if this guy executed one six-year-old, it'd be the worst thing in the world because whether it's one person or a million, the problem isn't guns, and we all know that if you're being logical.
dan friesen
So, yeah, he can't really find a way to articulate what he's saying there because he's like, all right, look, there's a lot of bad stuff.
So why are we allowing the left and the globalists to turn this into the worst thing ever?
Also, even if you just killed one kid, it would be the worst thing ever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, what are you saying?
jordan holmes
I think he just wants to get to the end point where it's like, this is obviously the left's fault.
And it's fine if you dehumanize them.
And, you know, eventually we'll get rid of all of them.
dan friesen
I think he wants to minimize the shooting, but also realizes that doing so is a really bad look and distasteful.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if your end goal is to say, no matter what, this isn't gun's fault, then everything that you're trying to make up to get there is going to get eventually stupid.
True.
dan friesen
True.
And sometimes quicker than other times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
So like we all know, there have been a number of things that have been put forth about the early police response that has not held up.
That is definitely an understatement.
Yeah.
Alex blames the media for this.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, the big scandal right now isn't just the poor 19 children and two teachers that died.
It's that the media first reported.
Wasn't even the state police or local police or Border Patrol saying this.
But the media said, oh, you know, he ran off in the ditch being chased, shot the police, ran into the school, started shooting people.
No, he went in the school, barricaded himself behind an armored door that he was able to get them to open up and get into, or wasn't locked to then lock that so that the police didn't know what was going on inside.
And so it went on for almost an hour of him barricaded inside.
Then it's just coming out.
Now he started executing the people inside.
Now, that's here and there in the news.
They're admitting that's the case.
But the big push is, see, we got to federalize the police or the police are bad.
And they stood down.
This was not like Parkland.
dan friesen
So again, there's no stand down.
Just important.
Because I imagine you will get to that eventually at some point.
jordan holmes
Absurd.
How?
dan friesen
So Alex is acting like the media wasn't just reporting what the spokespeople for the Texas Department of Public Safety were saying.
He sincerely is trying to suggest that outlets like CNN or The Times, who definitely did get stuff wrong, were just making those things up.
The reason for this is because Alex constantly makes things up, and he assumes that everyone else does too.
He doesn't seem to have any concept that other people don't base their reporting on hunches, vibes, and made-up decades-old prophetic visions like he does.
But, I mean, it would cause some confusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the obvious reality behind that, though, is if you follow at EqualityAlec on Twitter, he's obsessed with copaganda and the way that the media just accepts unquestioningly the things that the cops tell us and just puts it as their own sources.
And that's where we are.
So if you want to criticize the media in this situation, that's because they unquestionably reported what the cops told them.
dan friesen
That is a different criticism.
jordan holmes
Totally a different criticism.
dan friesen
And a valid one.
jordan holmes
And a valid criticism.
dan friesen
That is not what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
If he wanted to go there, then yes, but he doesn't.
dan friesen
No, because that would be productive.
jordan holmes
It would be very productive.
dan friesen
And there's another problem.
And this is what's, I think, a big part of what's going on.
And that is that if Alec were to treat the situation realistically, his new narrative would have some difficulty getting off the ground.
Alex is trying to push this new narrative where Tim Inlow has this inside intel about how it was a hostage situation, but this information is coming from where?
The credibility of what Tim has to say rests entirely on the notion that he's relaying information from high-level law enforcement sources who are familiar with the case.
If that's the game you're playing, you can't also be sniffing out a massive conspiracy where the police aren't being forthright about the response to the shooting and have given inaccurate statements to the press multiple times so far.
If you attack the credibility of the police, you're hindering your ability to pass off whatever information Tim has as being meaningful.
Or at very least, you may have to explain why the information the police have released publicly has been iffy and the information released to Tim should be believed.
By making these inaccuracies and misreporting that's gone on in this case, a situation where the media lied, you can sidestep the need to explain anything.
And it gives you a chance to take a fraudulent cheap shot at the media while you're at it.
And that's, I think, a big part of what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, you can't assume that the police are lying if you have a, or even, like, if you wanted to put it super benevolently, are fumbling their public statements so terribly that they have to make fundamental corrections.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You can't have that and also try and be like, we have insider police sources who are giving us the real skinny.
jordan holmes
Because if that's the case, then you have whistleblowers.
You don't have inside information.
If the official narrative is bullshit and you've got a on-the-background anonymous sources coming in to tell you the truth, then they are telling you the whistleblowers report.
And that means that either everybody's lying or the whistleblowers are telling the truth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it gets too complicated after that point.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Can't do it.
dan friesen
Never.
So This, Alex talks about another school shooting, and he lies about something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
He's also our security head here.
He is going to be in studio with us, and he has contacts in law enforcement and is getting more details right now of exactly what went on inside of that building.
When the police do bad things, we're all over them.
When Soros gets district attorneys appointed and police chiefs that are globalist, we expose them.
I mean, I see cases where they won't prosecute armed robbers and killers.
You see that all the time.
There was a school shooting last year up in Fort Worth.
Guy shot three people.
Black guy.
He was out the next morning from jail.
dan friesen
So weird how Alex points out that the guy is black.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
We went to racism so fast.
dan friesen
Yeah, that definitely seems like a relevant detail in this case and not something that he's just bringing up because it reinforces the white victimhood theme of his show where all non-white people get away with everything.
jordan holmes
Just non-white people, this isn't necessary for this part of the story either.
I'm just going to throw this in there for fun.
dan friesen
So this guy who Alex is talking about got out the next day because his parents paid bail.
Like, I guess Alex wants people detained without bail.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no, I mean, what do you want?
dan friesen
He shot and injured four people after bringing a gun to school and shooting at a guy he'd gotten in a fight with.
And in February of this year, a grand jury indicted him on seven charges, including three for attempted murder.
Like, Alex is acting like they just let him go.
I mean, you know, nothing, no trouble.
That's the impression that he wants the audience to have in their head because he hasn't kept up with this case.
He probably just skimmed a headline about it and he's like, oh, these black people just get away with everything.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Whenever, and when even when you like look further into that story, you're like, wait a second, the cash bail system is so fucked up.
How does this kid get to get out whenever so many other people would be in there because they can't afford bail?
Like there's a larger question around that that he's not even fucking willing to talk about.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, as is always the case with Infowars stories, there's a larger...
jordan holmes
There's a bigger, more important, useful question.
dan friesen
That is just completely ignored.
Yep.
So Alex has to deal a little bit with the notion that they didn't let the parents in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's going to be real tough to try and lie about.
dan friesen
Let's just say he does not deal with some of the more troubling realities of how the parents are.
jordan holmes
He just ignores those.
dan friesen
Well, maybe he doesn't know.
jordan holmes
Right.
He doesn't know that the cops cuffed one of the parents.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know that.
dan friesen
But he thinks it's an unfortunate but sensible thing.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's smart.
alex jones
Could the police done a better job?
Absolutely.
Should we learn from this?
Absolutely.
But just to say that, oh, they kept people from going to stay with their kids.
Now we know it was a hostage situation and that was what was going on.
But if more comes out and information changes, we will definitely let you know.
All right.
We have a lot of other news on the economy, a lot of other news on global starvation, the latest on monkeypox.
Baby formula running out not just here, but all over the Western world and more shortages coming as the supply chain breaks down.
That's why it's more important than ever now to keep Infowars on the air because our supply chain's broken down.
Our costs have all gone up.
I know the listeners and viewers all understand that we try not to go up on the prices.
We try to have big sales.
dan friesen
Apparently, $8 million in Bitcoin is not enough to get him to buy a little class.
jordan holmes
Nope, not going to do it.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yep.
Pretty smooth.
jordan holmes
I just.
dan friesen
Pretty smooth.
jordan holmes
Whoa, this is the worst thing that's ever happened.
But if you buy my stuff, then maybe the cops will do better next time.
dan friesen
Terror upon terror, horrible things.
Those are why you got to keep me in the middle.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, if you don't buy my products, then who is going to tell you when these terrible things that I inspire to happen happen?
dan friesen
I have made materially no difference in terms of solving any of the problems that I'm yelling about.
And in fact, I have misreported on pretty much all of them.
And that's why you need to give me money to keep me on air.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, listeners.
Listeners.
I'm going to play you a clip from 1998.
And it's me saying the same thing that I'm saying today.
How do you feel about the 25 years in between?
dan friesen
Well, see, I think that actually, like, if it's somebody who's like, we need to lower taxes, then it's like it shows ideological consistency.
You know, like, that's nice.
jordan holmes
Sure.
But if it's doom comes tomorrow, if it's the summer of rage is right around the corner.
dan friesen
If that's what's so consistent, then maybe we're in trouble.
Maybe we should ask.
jordan holmes
Maybe you didn't solve anything.
dan friesen
Throw that money somewhere else.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have some bad news about the new world order.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we are back on this Thursday, May 26, 2022.
Transmission on the Alexian show.
It is so important to realize that they have announced their world government treaty.
They've now released some segments of the draft.
It does give veto power of the UN over national sovereignty.
Biden publicly wanted that, or his controllers did.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Publicly.
dan friesen
The UN has veto power over country sovereignty.
jordan holmes
Which speech to the nation did Biden come out and was like, listen, I love being the president of the free world, and I have an absurd amount of power and influence and all that stuff.
But frankly, I'm going to give all of that up to some people at the UN.
I don't know why.
dan friesen
The UN is going to just be able to veto.
I just like, I'm going to be like, wait, wait, wait, we have sovereignty.
No, you don't.
jordan holmes
It's so funny to me how obsessed Alex is with the UN.
And then at the same time, like, we're one of only three nations that absolutely hates the UN to their face.
Like, it's us, China, and Russia constantly going back and forth with like, fuck you, Europe.
Like, that's it over and over and over again.
dan friesen
Yeah, and just remember, this is just about the amendments to the World Health Organization regulations where they can declare that something is a health emergency even if a country is not cooperating.
jordan holmes
Which, if it had happened three weeks into his we need to demonize China for COVID thing, he would have been like, ah, now we've got him.
dan friesen
No, because it's the UN doing something.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And so you would have found a way to be against it.
You're right.
Yeah, this might be overselling this amendment.
Might be an overreaction.
alex jones
A little bit.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
Blowing it out of proportion.
dan friesen
So we have very few instances of Alex learning.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is true.
dan friesen
However, I think this next clip indicates at least something.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
They're in a process of dismantling the once-free world because they don't want an example of freedom anywhere in the world, anybody else.
They don't want that American benchmark.
Are we perfect?
Absolutely not.
Are we heads above other countries on average?
Absolutely.
Unless you live in Luxembourg or Switzerland.
And I couldn't afford to live in Switzerland.
jordan holmes
Luxembourg, Germany?
alex jones
I couldn't afford to live in Luxembourg.
I'm not a rich man, but I'm upper middle class.
The average person could not live in a place like that.
And of course, Switzerland, the citizens have to be armed by law, and they have the lowest crime rate in the world.
dan friesen
Luxembourg's in France, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
I forgot that one.
My bad.
dan friesen
Alex has learned it's a country, and that's exciting.
Hooray.
Switzerland is definitely a country with a high cost of living.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Three of their cities coming in the top 10 of Mercer's cost of living rankings for 2021.
Zurich is number six, Geneva is eight, and Bern is 10.
jordan holmes
I'm going to assume that this is a place that's so expensive to live that suddenly getting an $8 million windfall still wouldn't give you like a year's rent.
dan friesen
Look, Alex is full of shit.
He could afford to live wherever he was.
jordan holmes
Of course, he could.
dan friesen
Also, Luxembourg doesn't make that list until number 63.
Luxembourg City is 63.
jordan holmes
We're higher than Luxembourg.
dan friesen
Chicago's 45.
unidentified
I was going to say, we're way more expensive than Luxembourg.
dan friesen
I could afford to live in Luxembourg based on the fact that I have survived in Chicago.
jordan holmes
That is true.
Yeah.
dan friesen
By the transitive property, I am a Luxembourgian.
jordan holmes
Frankly, you'd be wealthier in Luxembourg than you are here.
dan friesen
Yeah, in theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Although it's much smaller.
But that doesn't mean there aren't some places to live.
jordan holmes
What is wealth?
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's just exciting that he knows that it's a country.
That's all I really, that's my main point.
jordan holmes
That is nice.
dan friesen
So we get to this conversation with Tim Inlo, ex-Blackwater fella, who Alex should hate because he used to hate Blackwater, but he kind of forgot about it.
jordan holmes
This guy's a mercenary who kills people for money.
I feel like that's something that we don't just really accept as a thing that we talk about.
We're all like, assassins are bad, but then this guy is like, I'm going to go kill people for money.
dan friesen
Used to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, gotcha.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex sets up their conversation by getting some things wrong.
alex jones
We're here to get the facts on what happened Monday afternoon in Yavaldi, Texas.
I wanted to get my friend, who's a school safety trainer for the police, but also does it for courthouses.
You name it, Tim Inlo, in on Monday and Tuesday.
But he said he wanted to get more facts.
At first, the media said that the state police were chasing him with a border patrol, and then he crashed the vehicle, ran the school started shooting people.
That's not the case.
He went in and barricaded himself in a classroom behind an armored door, was holding hostages.
That's confirmed, but it's not being pushed in the news.
You have to dig to find that.
And they're just saying the police just stood down.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what confirmed means to Alex, but again, the media didn't just report these things.
Like, they didn't make them up.
They were misstatements made by public officials that were underneath the things that got misreported.
That's an important thing to understand.
Like, when the actual media is getting something wrong, it's generally because there was an official that made an inaccurate statement.
When Alex gets something wrong, like in this case, how he reported that the shooter was trans on Monday evening, it's because he saw some dumb shit on 4chan and decided to run with it as if it meant anything.
There's a world of difference between these kinds of getting it wrong.
And Alex hasn't even owned up to the fact that he never will.
No.
jordan holmes
Never will.
dan friesen
Of course not.
No.
That correction that he made at the beginning of the episode has nothing to do with his disgraceful Monday night coverage.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, absolutely.
I didn't put somebody at danger.
Like, it is, in his mind, it makes perfect sense because it's like, listen, I report on my sources, you report on your sources.
Like, your sources are the, I don't know, government.
And my sources are weirdo randoms on 4chan.
dan friesen
I don't know what is so different between you and I. Just because the weirdos in the government can't always be trusted to be correct, that does not make them equivalent to a random person on 4chan.
jordan holmes
It does feel like Alex is sitting across from like fucking Edward Armiro in the heat.
Like, we're not so different, you and I. You know, we do the same job.
You know, it's the same thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's just some simple facts that Alex is getting wrong here.
The first is that Ramos did start firing pretty much immediately.
He was shooting at the school prior to entering, and within his first minute or so inside, he shot over 100 rounds.
The door wasn't an armored door, and there's no indication that this was a hostage situation.
One of the things that worries me about hearing Alex talk about a hostage situation is that there's a certain high-profile hostage negotiator that Alex is friends with, and this could be a way to shoehorn Pieczenik back into the show.
I was worried about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I checked Steve's Twitter, and it appears that he's never been in on this hostage narrative.
Okay, good.
So that's not something Alex is getting from him.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But he does definitely think that it's a staged false flag.
jordan holmes
Well, that is to be expected.
dan friesen
Possibly with actors.
jordan holmes
That's to be expected.
dan friesen
Apparently, Steve can't say false flag on Twitter, so he calls things French fries.
jordan holmes
French fries instead of false flags.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is kind of cute.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
That's.
jordan holmes
Words are easy.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex, one of the main thrusts that really is running through so much of this is just like he does not want people to blame the copy.
jordan holmes
Don't blame.
alex jones
So Tim Inlo is here with us to talk about this, and he can give you what his sources are telling him and what is and known.
And so, again, if the police do something bad, we will be the first to tell you.
Police aren't perfect.
Everything needs to be up to scrutiny, including us.
That keeps us, you know, on our toes and helps be better people.
But changing this onto the police, away from the psycho, is garbage, my view.
So, so, Tim, take over wherever you'd like to start with the information you have and what happened here.
dan friesen
It's just a little childish to pretend that you can't have criticism of the police response and also at the same time keep in your mind that the person who did the shooting is responsible for doing the shooting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is absurd that Alex has that kind of expectation of people being only able to keep one thought in their mind.
And I guess.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's where we live in fucking politics brain in 2022.
It's always everything is always distilled back down into what the right or the left are doing, and it's this and it's that, and it can't just be.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
Here's a thought I just had.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
You can only keep one thought in your head when someone's yelling at you.
And Alex yells at his audience.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So maybe.
jordan holmes
That's why you yell at people to try and focus them into one thought.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you're all over the place.
You know, you only yell at people whenever they're scattershot, or if you're me.
dan friesen
So maybe Alex has an expectation that the audience can only keep one thought in their head because through 20 years of empirical evidence, them getting yelled at by him, they can only keep one thought in their head.
jordan holmes
It is presumptuous of us to look at his 25-year-ass career and be like, I think we understand his audience better.
dan friesen
True.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Tim, I got to say, the information that he provides sounds fairly similar to the stuff that is said by Colonel McCraw the next day at the press conference.
So I am not too far off from believing that Tim absolutely does have some police sources and probably has some line on the information that would be given tomorrow.
Now, sorry.
jordan holmes
This is such a fucked up situation in our perspective of it because Alex is trying to parrot the truth when he never does and in so doing is wrong.
Alex has a source with actual sources, which never happens.
dan friesen
Seemingly, yes.
jordan holmes
And they're wrong.
And it's this is this is unprecedented shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and one of the things that's even weirder about it is that I don't know for sure, obviously, but it sounds a lot like the information that came out the next day.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's not the information that Alex is reporting.
unidentified
Oh, great.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a weird distinction here.
So here's the basic gist of what Tim's got.
unidentified
Okay.
tim enlow
Well, first of all, I'd like to say that we're still in the very, very early stages of the investigation, right?
So there's new facts coming out literally every hour, every day, right?
So, but what we're hearing right now is just as you alluded to at the intro, and that is that it now appears that some kind of contact was made with the shooter by law enforcement before he went into the school.
And then somehow he managed to enter school, enter a classroom, and then potentially lock that door or somehow barricade that door to where law enforcement couldn't immediately go in after him.
The other thing is that I'm hearing is that, you know, at first we were led to believe that this guy ran into school and just started shooting.
But now they're saying that he may have been in that classroom for upwards of 30 to 45 minutes, not killing, while law enforcement kind of treated it as a barricaded subject type call rather than an active shooter call.
dan friesen
Now, that matches fairly closely with what the colonel said the next day.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That does not describe a hostage situation.
And there's a couple of very important distinctions.
One is that when Inlo is saying that he wasn't shooting for long periods of time, that is true enough in terms of matching the information that we have.
But he also is ignoring the part where there were that over 100 round shot immediately.
Right, right, right, right.
There is elements of this that's mixing some of the wrong stuff with some of the stuff that would come up the next day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But none of it adds up to the conclusion that Alex is clearly using this information to build the hostage situation narrative on.
Because according to Alex and the way he's reporting this, he came in with the gun, didn't kill anybody, and then an hour later started killing people.
Yep.
Because it was a hostage situation.
Presumably, I don't know what the goal was or what he was trying to hold them hostage for, but Alex has no thought on that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But you can see here something that dynamic is really, really interesting, I think, that Tim probably is getting information from the police and Alex is embellishing on top of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a little bit like what we're seeing from the police in this situation is very similar to like a fucking teen, like a teen who got caught doing something and just really doesn't want to tell the stuff that really makes him look bad.
So each time they tell the story, it's sure, there's a little bit this, and I'm willing to admit that I made some mistakes here, but this is what I really did.
And you're like, no, you fucking didn't.
And so on and so forth.
And then Alex is out here like a fucking best friend.
Like, no, no, no, no.
He didn't just do nothing.
He did even more.
It was like a fucking.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
It is a little strange how much damage control Alex is essentially doing for police.
jordan holmes
I just, I hate having to live in a world where we lived through all these Obama years where these people were the fucking, we'll start shooting and we're amazing and we're the fucking strongest tea party shit.
And now they're whinging bootlickers trying to protect the cops from even the slightest bit of accountability.
dan friesen
Right.
And I have some thoughts about why that is the case also coming up later.
I think Alex reveals a little bit too much about where his headspace is vis-a-vis the police.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Protesters are eventually going to cause a problem.
dan friesen
So Tim believes that one of the big problems that happened was that the police just didn't have the tool that they needed to get in that door.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
Because again, they're hardening the facilities to keep these crazy people, these demon terrorists out, but then they can actually use that hardening once they're in to keep the police out.
tim enlow
That's exactly right.
And unfortunately, I think what we're probably going to see and what I'm hearing is that at least the very initial officers that were on scene, that they probably did not have the breaching equipment that they needed to immediately breach that door.
alex jones
That's right.
They had to find a teacher with a key while he's shooting reportedly through the door.
tim enlow
Right.
And so, obviously, that's problematic, right?
We're going to have to look at, and you know, there's already, and you've covered it for the last few days, right?
There's all these outcries about, oh, we need to do something, gun control, the usual drivel that we hear from the left when this happens.
But what we're really dealing with here is not taking things away.
What we need to do is give more.
And, for example, to law enforcement, they need more equipment.
Every law enforcement officer should have a breaching tool in his car.
alex jones
Battering ram.
tim enlow
Well, either a battering ram or some kind of, you know, like some kind of pry bar.
dan friesen
You know, seems like Alex would have been opposed to that in the past.
I know that militarization and over-accessorizing the police is kind of one of his big issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, this doesn't match up with some of the information that we've gotten since.
Yep.
The notion that it was a choice to not barrage the door and that it was just locked, that Ramos just locked the door.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
And they had to go find a teacher with keys, said the school resource officers with keys to every door in the building.
dan friesen
Do they?
jordan holmes
Most of them, if not all of them.
alex jones
Well, look.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's the point of having a police officer if you can lock them out of your room?
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So, look, the issue that you really have to get through your head is you just can't blame the police.
jordan holmes
Oh, you can't.
Don't sorry.
I shouldn't have thought it.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I sensed that you were thinking because it's their fault.
And you shouldn't do that.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
alex jones
And let's think about, well, come back and go through all this, Tim, and your expertise on it, which is great to have you here.
And I appreciate you being here.
Imagine the police have to go in and then see all these dead kids.
They're not the villains.
They're there trying to protect us.
And obviously, these police in Texas, we know, wanted to go in.
And a Border Patrol guy did finally kill this crazy animal.
But just the media changing the subject of the police is not good.
tim enlow
Yeah, that's ridiculous, right?
dan friesen
Obviously, the primary responsibility for the shooting is on the shooter, but this is a pretty embarrassing presentation from Alex, just the way he's going about this.
There are some very serious anomalies with this situation, and his instinct as the world's number one conspiracy theorist and arch nemesis of the police state is to implore the audience not to question details of the police response.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
I'm empathetic to the police and what they have to go through, particularly on a day like that.
But to pretend that the media is unfairly scrutinizing this thing or that people are blaming them for the shooting, that's a dishonest framing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is so out of character for Alex that I don't know what to think.
The police have said that they didn't enter the classroom because they felt that they were no longer kids at risk and things had gone from an active shooter to a barricaded suspect.
But this is severely called into question by the numerous 911 calls that people made from inside the room.
Unless no one was talking to anyone else, that assessment of the situation that they made should never have been that far off from reality.
A detail like that is what Alex makes his living off of.
You go back and you look at all of his supposed suspicions about past mass shootings, and they're all stuff like that.
In terms of Sandy Hook, Alex made a big deal out of the erroneous claims from Wolfgang Halbig, like that they didn't let paramedics and EMTs into the school.
And he latched onto shit that flimsy in order to craft his conspiracy narrative.
And yet, in this case, he doesn't seem to be doing the thing that he tends to always do.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is almost cosmically ironic.
It is almost cosmically, I have finally taken one thing from the past four years of Sandy Hook lawsuits, which is I'm not going to question whether or not what's going on happened.
And this is the one fucking time in his career.
dan friesen
Well, no, here's the Here's the issue.
Like, conspiracy theorizing about this, even conspiracy theorizing in terms of the police, I think is irresponsible.
But having some questions about, like, how was this misconstrued so badly?
Sure, sure.
Where was the decision made that was so wrong in terms of the response?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
How, how did, you know, like taking a full accounting of how this happened is something that, you know, that's what Alex prides himself on.
He questions things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's your God-given right as an American, and he's not doing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's questioning other aspects of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, whether or not the shooter was into Satan or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Because it seems like the conspiracy is the afterwards part.
You know, like it's fairly clear from what we do know and can at least concretely understand is that all of these cowards walked in and just acted cowardly.
And then later, whenever people started questioning, they were like, oh, shit, this is not how we want to be presented.
We're supposed to be like fucking King Leonidas and the 300 protecting these people from the onslaught of the fucking Persians.
So they made it up then and they tried to coordinate their stories and then it fell apart because they can't.
dan friesen
There's a lot of appearances and yeah, I have a difficult time fully signing on to what you're saying because there are some leaps that you're making.
Sure.
But there's going to need to be a lot of explanation because I can't, it's confusing.
It's a situation that is boggling.
But there are potentially less interesting explanations that maybe the conspiracy mind wants to go to.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
I think one of our, I mean, ultimately the root cause is we have an entire now fifth branch of government that is entirely built around not taking responsibility for anything.
dan friesen
I mean, there's a problem there.
Yep, that's true.
So look, Alex isn't worshiping the cops, though.
I mean, he kind of is, but he's not really.
alex jones
Okay.
And I'm not here in some worship the police brown-nosing position because I know the police have their own problems.
Police departments to take them over.
So then we really will have a problem, you know, like the police in globalist controlled countries.
But just as a father, because I know you've got children like I do, older ones, younger ones like I do, and it obviously hits you in the guts.
Some of your children just had a graduation yesterday.
My five-year-old daughter just turned five.
I'll seek with my own.
She just had her graduation today.
You look at this, you just can't imagine somebody doing this and executing children.
And again, let's not forget that's who did this.
And you can't expect a plumber to come to your house and fix the pipe in an hour.
Imagine police showing up and they don't even know what's going on and they're told there's a guy barricaded in with children.
Then that process happens.
The image of them tasering people and arresting people trying to break in.
I don't blame those parents either.
This is a mess, but it's the evil guy that caused this.
But just getting into training or getting into any points you want to make, Tim, because you know, I'll just take over here.
dan friesen
You can't blame the plumber for not fixing your pipes.
What?
jordan holmes
Here's the...
Okay.
I understand the empathy part.
You know, like, hey, listen, if you're telling me, like, oh, no, a soldier in Iraq, imagine them coming up over the thing and they're firing bullets at you.
I would never be in that situation.
They are because they've spent their lives training for it.
dan friesen
In theory.
jordan holmes
What's the point of all the training if you, yeah.
dan friesen
Possibly even being trained by the person Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So if you're the cops, I understand that I'm empathetic.
I wouldn't want to be there.
That's why you spend all your fucking time doing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm particularly empathetic to what you have to experience in those situations.
Like, it's unthinkable.
Sure.
But it doesn't remove the sort of responsibility to act because that is your job.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And you have that training.
jordan holmes
You chose it.
You chose it.
You learned it.
You did all the stuff.
And then, I mean, and honestly, you took our money to do it.
Like, we are paying you.
dan friesen
So Tim has something of an idea.
I think this is bad, but he has an idea.
tim enlow
Well, again, I think the biggest thing I'm seeing, and I didn't tell you this before the show, but I actually wrote my kids' superintendent yesterday, right?
Because he issued an email about the shooting and everything.
And, you know, it was the standard, oh, you know, we're so sorry about what happened.
Our hearts go out.
And then he mentioned an increased police presence possibly at the school for the next few days.
Well, their idea of an increased police presence was an officer pretty much in plain clothes with just a pistol that was inside the school kind of walking around, right?
And again, this goes to equipment and it goes to mindset.
What I'm constantly seeing still is that we're afraid in this country for an officer to be walking around with an assault rifle in a school.
Why?
Because it freaks, you know, they think it's going to freak parents out.
alex jones
But we know statistically that'll scare the perps away.
No, these are a place instead of death by cop.
Go die like a devil, kill a bunch of kids, be famous.
They just advertise like a neon sign.
This is the place to come.
tim enlow
Right.
That's exactly right.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he wants AR-15 toting cops in uniform basically at schools.
This isn't good.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing I was thinking is that, sure, America has the most people in prison ever and are worse than apartheid era South Africa in our racist enforcement of that policing.
But the problem was kids weren't already in prison.
Like what they should have done is make prisons from the beginning.
You know, like you turn six, you go to prison.
You've got an armed guard walking around with an AR-15, making sure that you're safe.
dan friesen
Right.
And that's got to be at every school.
alex jones
What's the best thing for him to have then?
What would be the best firearm?
tim enlow
Well, again, I think for school security, I think these officers need to have AR-15s.
Absolutely.
And not locked away in some locker somewhere, but they need to have them on their person.
alex jones
And they're big boys.
They can carry them around on their back.
tim enlow
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Right.
And I think that should be standard.
And more importantly, first of all, not all schools have, still don't have school resource officers or police officers stationed at the schools.
It's time that changes.
Every school in America needs to have an armed, trained security officer or police officer.
alex jones
I went to a little tiny private Christian school my daughter goes to, and for the first time ever, they had an armed security guard out there.
tim enlow
That's right.
dan friesen
I find this troubling.
It seems like parody, honestly.
I mean, the solution you have is like people, every single school has got somebody toting an AR-15 around.
Great.
jordan holmes
You know what's fun about people with AR-15s?
Do you remember earlier on in the episode when he was like, well, we've got all these lockdown things, but then when they get in, they can use the lockdown measures against you.
Right.
Now, let me throw this out there to you.
What if I can't afford an AR-15?
Right.
I don't work.
I'm just a seven-year-old.
Right.
But I know where to get one because it's following me around all goddamn day.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, you know, there are definitely stories of the good guy with a gun who gets his gun taken away from him.
No shit.
No, I don't know if a seven-year-old is going to be able to get that AR-15.
Point is well taken.
jordan holmes
And not just that, but like this is it is parody.
And we've seen the same response from people that like every school needs a guy with a gun now.
In response to the single most apt example of why that's the worst idea.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
I mean, like, in the situation in the shooting that they're discussing, it definitely would not have helped.
Like, unless, I guess, the person who happened to have the AR-15 at the school, who is the good guy in theory, was right where the shooter entered.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Was at that door.
dan friesen
Right.
He was at a different part of the school.
The entrance still probably would have happened the way it did.
And I guess once he's locked that door.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
Unfortunately, it seems as though our defensive measures are actually offensive towards us.
Maybe there's that.
No, maybe we're stupid.
Nope.
Can't do that.
Let's put more prisons.
dan friesen
So Alex needs to explain away a little bit of the fact that there was some milling around on the part of police.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And then these dudes say something that I just find incomprehensible.
tim enlow
Right.
alex jones
So there is an issue of the police milling around outside waiting for orders.
I think that's the bureaucracy.
Well, you train people in this.
What would you have done?
I know you're on a Monday morning quarterback this year.
tim enlow
Right, that's tough.
But here's the thing.
I think what we all need to need to come to the realization of is that if there is a report or if a subject is seen going into a school armed, it doesn't matter at that moment if he's shooting or not.
That suspect has to immediately be confronted by law enforcement.
alex jones
I think if you're going into school with a gun, out with it openly, menacing, you should be killed.
tim enlow
Well, and again, you know, every state has laws for citizens and for police as far as how to deal when deadly force is authorized, right?
But again, I think the empirical data now is such that no one goes into a school brandishing an AR-15 with good intentions, okay?
And I think we need to realize that, and the police need to be trained to respond to that.
dan friesen
Huh, that's a really interesting perspective for these dudes to be putting forth.
For some reason, they think there's a relevant difference between a person going to a school and a person with a gun going to a school.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
There's such a difference between them that one is totally fine and normal, and the other is someone who maybe should be killed on site because they possibly can't, they can't be up to any good.
It's impossible.
It feels like the difference is that one of these people has a gun and them having a gun seems to indicate they have bad intentions because of where they are.
This isn't something that people like Alex and Tim should ever accept as a possible conclusion because if you accept this, so many of their gun arguments start to fall apart.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
If you accept this, then, I mean, then not just that, but like, just go fucking kill Kyle Rittenhouse.
That's what you said is okay to do.
Well, you know, like, that's where you're going.
dan friesen
The issue for them is that they're opening the door to accepting the idea that there's something about having a gun in a certain place that means that your intentions are bad.
And they can't believe that.
Nope.
Their whole thing doesn't stand up to scrutiny if somehow having a gun is an indication of ill will.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Teachers should be allowed and forced to carry guns with them at all times.
And as we all know, people never leave guns out where other people can get them.
Children are never interested in curious, don't pick up guns ever at all, and definitely don't find themselves outside of the school.
So, you know, those kinds of things, don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Problem solved?
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
All right.
So Alex has some harsh words for people who have been loose in their coverage about this, this shooting.
tim enlow
Again, we don't know yet if this is going to be a training issue, whether or not they were waiting because they didn't hear gunshots immediately, or whether the suspects started shooting and they couldn't get in.
We don't know.
alex jones
That's right.
So all the second guessings of the facts are in by the left and others.
It's just disgusting opportunism.
tim enlow
That's exactly right.
dan friesen
Within a few hours after the shooting, Alex relied on a 4chan hoax to report that the shooter was trans, playing his part in a bigoted hate campaign.
Throughout that broadcast, Alex and Owen incessantly accused psych meds of being responsible for the shooting with zero evidence the shooter was even on meds, something that they still have zero evidence of.
Now he's trying to get the cops off the hook for their inaccurate statements by reporting that this was a hostage situation and the media made stuff up.
The sole feature of Alex's coverage has been disgusting opportunism.
He can point the finger at this nebulous boogeyman of the left, but he's just talking about himself.
Guys, sucks.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
No further to add.
dan friesen
So one thing I will say is that Alex is giving lip service to this not being staged.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm not saying this is staged.
I don't believe it was staged.
I'm just saying we're going into the midterms and now all this is starting to happen.
It's just demonic.
Like, what?
It's weird.
dan friesen
It is weird.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
I just can't believe.
I think it's only people on the right who care about the midterms.
They keep talking about the midterms.
dan friesen
I care a good bit about the midterms.
Sure.
I'm concerned.
Sure.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I have some worries and some people who, some candidates who are pretty interesting, hopefully can make some inroads.
Sure, sure.
But yeah, I think that the sense that you get is there is a lot for the Republicans to gain if they could get all of Congress and courts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Once they can cement their control, it's never getting undone.
dan friesen
I think that, you know, isn't it kind of the way it goes, though?
Like, in cycles when, you know, one party wins the presidency, there's maybe a little bit of a demoralization come the next midterm because the president doesn't live up to the expectations of what you would have hoped they do.
I think that's kind of a common phenomenon.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate because this is a fairly important midterm problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, if I was the Democrats, I mean, the problem is they're all going to die soon because they're all so old, so they don't really care as much.
But man, if I wanted to ever have power again, I would have done a lot of things differently.
dan friesen
There's some choices.
Yeah.
So look, Tim has this information that he's bringing forth to Alex, this special exclusive information.
And one of the things I find really interesting about it is that some of it is accurate, at least in terms of what is going to be reported the next day, press conference.
And some of it is not.
Some of it is very off.
Interesting.
And this is very off.
unidentified
Okay.
tim enlow
So the latest report, which was posted about an hour ago, says that at 11.32 a.m., he did exchange gunfire or gunfire was exchanged outside the school, and then he managed to get into school.
And then the latest report says at around 11.43 a.m., he's reported killed.
So we're looking at probably around 11 minutes from the time he was shooting or there was gunfire outside the school until reports are in that he's been put down.
And again, we don't know if those reports are 100% accurate, but it certainly gives a more definitive timeline than what we've had so far.
dan friesen
Yeah, he gives that caveat, but it's very, it's very off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's way off.
dan friesen
Yes, definitely.
You had him shooting at the school around 1131.
You know, so you have that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is not necessarily exchanged gunfire.
Maybe there's some inaccuracies about that.
Right.
So you can, you know, that's right around right before he ends up entering the school.
But yeah, the 11 minutes, 14 minutes, or whatever he's saying there, that is very not accurate.
Yikes.
So yeah, I wonder how that's possible.
I mean, I'm guessing maybe, you know, there's a confluence of sources that he has maybe, and some have some information that the police are going to reveal, and some of it is wildly off base.
jordan holmes
If I was going to speculate based upon this type of thing and what I know, I would say that there's a good chance that he's got some friends who are in Texas law enforcement.
Yes.
But are not specifically there.
And they have friends who were there.
dan friesen
So maybe a little bit of a game of telephone.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's bizarre, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like this is a level of secondhand information instead of my buddies who are cops in the system there said this.
This is probably, you know.
dan friesen
And one of the things that kind of troubles me about this is that that directly contradicts the stuff that Alex is saying about the hostage situation.
It went on an hour.
Yep.
And so I, but they never discuss the discrepancy in the information that they're putting forth, which I find hard to manage.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is difficult.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But look, this is why you yell because you can only keep one thought in your head at the same time.
See, that's the trick.
Yeah.
Don't think about it.
dan friesen
So Alex has another thought about what we should do.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And it's another way to make schools prisons.
alex jones
What about the simple thing of a fence around the schools, as you pointed out?
They can harden the actual school, but with all the portable buildings and all the trailers they put up, that doesn't work.
tim enlow
Right.
And that's the other thing, right?
We have so many portable buildings now at schools because schools don't have the funds to build hard building or they don't have the space or whatever the case may be.
jordan holmes
Because we gave them to the people.
tim enlow
And I've got to agree that any barriers that you can in place are going to help.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know what?
There should be barbed wire going in.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know what?
No, it makes perfect sense.
The only way that schools would get more money is if it's literally going to build a wall.
dan friesen
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Look, at the same time, I think my school when I was growing up had a fence around it, but it was like kind of a decorative fence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was like a nice little fence.
We were there.
dan friesen
What they're talking about is like some containment fence.
jordan holmes
They're describing Joliet prison.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I've been by there a hundred times.
They are describing exactly what Joliet prison looks like because it's even got the red bricks that makes it look a little bit like a school.
dan friesen
And oftentimes with prisons, you'll have overflow and they have trailers.
Yes.
unidentified
Because they can't afford to build more buildings.
dan friesen
So Alex takes a look at some of these shooters, pulls up some pictures.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
You can tell just by looking at them that they're psychotic.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
They're psychotic.
alex jones
And look at the individuals that did this.
I mean, these are obvious psychotics.
And look, there were abuses in the mental institutions in the U.S., no doubt.
But after the one who flies over the cuckoo's nest in the 70s, they just got rid of them.
tim enlow
Exactly.
alex jones
And so you see the street corners everywhere.
tim enlow
Yeah, we don't institutionalize the people anymore.
jordan holmes
You fucking moron.
tim enlow
One of the problems that we're having.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I never would have thought someone like Alex would be so in favor of forced incarceration in mental hospitals for people the state deems insane.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
This is ridiculous because Alex doesn't believe in medicine.
He doesn't believe in psychologists.
And the very idea of locking people up in asylums before they've committed any crimes is in direct contradiction of his beliefs about the Bill of Rights.
I also would caution him that based on his very public statements and beliefs that he's espoused, he might find himself on the wrong end of getting institutionalized if this were a common practice that were to come back.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There are still mental hospitals in the United States, and one flew over the cuckoo's nest, didn't turn everyone against them.
The rest of the world doesn't have all their opinions formed by movies the way that Alex does.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So that's kind of confusing.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
The issue is that most of the public funding for mental hospitals has disappeared.
And private mental health hospitals often aren't covered by insurance plans, and Medicaid does not cover long-term mental health care.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
A large segment of the population has basically no access to these institutions.
And many people who would be helped by them end up in prison because they don't have access to these things that may prevent them from being in a situation where they would commit crimes that lead them to go to prison.
unidentified
You got it.
dan friesen
There are a ton of variables that go into the very sordid history of mental institutions.
And a lot of these trends actually were already in motion somewhat before Reagan slashed the funding for state centers in his 1981 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which is where a lot of people point to because it was a big blow.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
For sure.
But there were some trends already that predated that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
And no, don't get me wrong.
They weren't great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, but my opinion on it is like it isn't the full story to blame Reagan, but why not yell it anyway?
jordan holmes
It's not a good story to blame Reagan.
dan friesen
No, someone's going to yell, ah, Reagan, you fuck.
I'm not going to fight this.
jordan holmes
There's usually not anything to fight.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's fair enough that many people don't have access to the mental health resources they need, but the way Alex is talking about this is stupid.
And I need to point out that a major point of Alex's belief is that like MK Ultra assassins were brainwashed in mental health facilities.
I mean, he shouldn't think that people should be going to them.
Why is he Jolly and West?
jordan holmes
Why is he even talking about mental hospitals whenever he's just saying arrest them and imprison them?
Like, he's just saying, like, well, we should have a prison for prison people and a prison for people who are crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, we should have Arkham Asylum.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
For Batman's rogue galleries who haven't committed to the people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's just, it's just like Lisa from down the street.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I tried to get a raise, and now I'm here forever.
jordan holmes
Get her in there.
alex jones
Get her in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, all they're demons, man.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
alex jones
Six of the most famous mass shooters.
And there's a dozen or more of them.
I mean, look at them.
tim enlow
And if you look in there, look at them.
alex jones
I mean, my God, you wouldn't let that person cook you a hamburger.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
You would not.
I mean, these people, I mean, look at them.
They're demons.
tim enlow
Yeah.
And again, screening and proper assessment, threat assessment of these individuals is something that is seriously lacking.
alex jones
They're suicidal, drug addict, crazy people into the occult and every time shoot-em-up games.
And every time I point out, people go, well, don't be against video games.
I play that.
You're not a psycho.
You can play a shoot-em-up game.
You can play a military game.
It's the M.O., it's the criminology.
It's the psychology.
I mean, we have an absolute profile on these people.
I've never seen a profile so clear and clear-cut, Tim.
tim enlow
Right.
dan friesen
Well, but the profile doesn't match people that, like, it only matches because he says the same things about every single instance.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter if they actually are.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I would love for him to try and demonstrate that everyone's into devil worship.
Like these things are only a rock-solid profile because the unerring talking points of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But that does make you a pretty fucking good profiler if you just live in a world where everything you say is right and you say the same thing every time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a lot simpler.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Tim Inlow has got another idea here about good guys who have guns.
jordan holmes
No, take them away.
dan friesen
That's not what his idea is.
unidentified
Oh.
tim enlow
So there's like a dozen shootings on this slide, right?
Where someone who was armed, a good guy was armed and present.
Right.
I just sent it to him.
And, you know, the most people that were shot in a situation like this were nine.
Now you go to where there was no person armed, a good guy present, armed, and who acted and they waited to call 911.
And now the biggest number was the Pulse nightclub.
So you're looking at 102 people shot, right?
So nine people versus 102 people.
And that's just one example, right?
Like if you go down a list where they call 911, it's 34 people, 102 people, 34, 22, 47, 70, 28, 31, 46, 43, 46 again, right?
And on the other side, when there was somebody, a good guy that was armed and acted, now the highest number is nine, but then it immediately drops down to four, five, two, one, and one, right?
Like, it's just, there's a huge difference there.
So again, this is just dishonest discourse by Biden and them.
Dayton, we know that good guys with guns have and continue to save lives.
dan friesen
This is not how you would assess these kinds of things.
This is just sort of...
jordan holmes
Take it back...
I want asylums.
I want him in there.
And it's got to be down deep in the dark.
dan friesen
So this slide that Tim has just used is it's by definition cherry-picked because he says that the top one on the side of waiting for the police to respond is the Pulse Nightclub shooting, but there were way more people shot in the Las Vegas shooting.
There were over 400 people injured by gunfire that day.
So like, why is that not on there?
jordan holmes
Well, because that makes it really look like if you have a gun and are APIs.
dan friesen
But that makes their point even better.
If it's the good guy with a gun, it's on the other side of the equation.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, what are you going to get?
A sniper to get up there?
dan friesen
Well, maybe in the hotel.
unidentified
That's fair.
dan friesen
I don't know.
This list that Tim has may seem really convincing to an audience that already believes the conclusion, but the data doesn't back up what he's selling.
For every instance of a good guy with a gun stopping a shooting, you can find an instance of someone not intervening or someone having their gun used against them.
On a very basic level, the National Bureau of Economic Research released a study in 2017 that found that, quote, right-to-carry laws are associated with 13 to 15% higher aggregate violent crime rates 10 years after adoption.
Further, a 2013 study in the American Journal of Public Health, reviewing data from 1981 to 2010, found that for every percentage point that gun ownership increased in a certain area, firearm homicide rates increased by 0.9%.
The good guy with a gun stuff is fun to fantasize about if you're someone like Tim or Alex, but in the real world, it doesn't have the statistical backing to be something you'd really want to seriously rely on.
Plus, imagine a world where this ideology gets so popular that you end up having a shooting, and there's not one guy with a good guy with a gun.
There's 10 good guys with a gun.
It's probably going to be pretty difficult in the fog of that whole thing to know who's a shooter and who's a good guy with a gun.
Seems like it would get really chaotic if this was taken to its logical conclusion.
Yeah.
Anyway, it's dumb.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
So anyway, 1%, each percentage point equals 0.9%.
So it's an almost one-to-one increase.
dan friesen
Well, yes, but also you'd have to factor in that it would be, it wouldn't, like whatever the previous like violent crime rate or firearm homicide rate was, that would go up by 0.9%.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
0.9% of that.
jordan holmes
Not so, right, right, right.
Now I understand.
So if the crime was like 8%, then now it's 8.8% or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now I got you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't believe it's going up a whole percentage.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like, if it's 8.08%, that's very different from 8.8% increase, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
So we talked about this a little bit throughout the show, and that is that this idea that Alex is like, why is he so beholden to the police here?
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
It's fucked up.
dan friesen
And I think in this next clip, he may articulate exactly why.
alex jones
This is not an ass-kissing exercise of the police.
When the police do wrong things, we're all over them.
And you see leftist jurisdictions like areas in Canada where they're banning free speech or things in Europe.
We're against that.
But in America, our police compared to other places are good.
And there's a battle over who controls them.
And if conservatives abandon the police and don't put in our input, the left with all their bullying and federalization are going to win.
So that's why we can't just knee-jerk reaction, just go with the left attack on the police.
tim enlow
No, I agree 100%.
dan friesen
I think that's a really sincere articulation of what Alex really thinks at this point and explains why his coverage is so much of an ass-kissing exercise for the police.
In his mind, the globalists and the Patriots are fighting for control of the police, who are in essence the paramilitary group that holds the monopoly on the use of state force.
At this point, the police are very much on Alex's team's side, as evidenced by their differing treatment of protesters, among other things.
Many other things.
jordan holmes
Many other things.
dan friesen
Alex knows that his side can't possibly continue to get away with the shit they get away with if the police stop going very easily on them.
And on some level, he thinks he can't be too critical of the police or they'll not support the Patriots anymore.
They'll succumb to being federalized by the globalists, and then it's game over for Alex and his buddies.
And then further, I think Alex does have some ideas of a pending collapse and needing the use of force and the armed, essentially civilian army to be basically on their side.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, listen.
dan friesen
I think if I wanted to sum it up, and I'm sorry to interrupt.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think he's afraid to criticize the police.
jordan holmes
No, I think, no, and I mean, to sum it up even simpler, his argument is at the end of the day, the police are just a fascist military.
So if the left has control of the fascist military, it's going to happen to us.
And if we have control of the fascist military, it's going to happen to them.
dan friesen
Well, sure, but I think that what's underneath why he's acting like he's acting is because he's afraid.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
He doesn't want it to be that reaction.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
The left doesn't, he doesn't want the left to have control over whether or not the cops are going to allow him to bomb stuff.
That's not good.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think that kind of might be an indication of what's going on here, although it's still super weird.
Like, there's still just so much that's like out of line with really core tenets of Alex's.
jordan holmes
I know.
unidentified
Well, no, Oh, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
I know.
I don't mean like, I'm questioning you.
I mean, like, I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There feels like there's something a little bit deeper.
And it might just be a weird day for him and being deferential to Tim Inlow.
Like, that honestly could explain a whole lot.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Mixed in with this fear of being critical of the police.
jordan holmes
I mean, at the same time, weird day to go from your daughter's graduation at kindergarten to immediately talking to a mercenary?
Yeah.
Weird day.
Weird day.
That's whiplash.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's whiplash.
dan friesen
So when I'm talking about Alex, like just like these things are contrary to things that are deeply held like core Infowars shit.
Like this is one of them.
tim enlow
So we need good training.
We need proper equipment.
And we need more and more drills at these schools to prepare for these kinds of things.
alex jones
Just like the Roman army did.
That's why they were so good.
tim enlow
Yeah, it has to be never-ending because, again, the bad guys always change their tactics.
dan friesen
So this is something that Alex should never be supporting.
Never-ending mass shooter drills at schools.
This is right in line with his anti-police state ideology, right?
It's totally.
jordan holmes
It's right there.
That's insane.
dan friesen
This is almost coming off like a prank, quite frankly, because this seems so disconnected from what's supposed to be the bigger picture of what Alex is about.
For one, he believes these shooter drills traumatize children and are meant to train them to live in a police state where they have to comply with the orders of armed men.
Armed shooter drills are meant to prepare the next generation to live in tyranny and to train them to be afraid of guns, which is why the globalists do them.
jordan holmes
And the drills themselves are usually also the false flags.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
It's the same thing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex believes that if you run a drill to prepare for something, you're secretly about to do it yourself.
There are countless examples of disaster preparation drills or anti-terrorism drills that Alex has insisted were just cover for the globalists to do the real thing.
He should hate the idea of widespread never-ending shooter drills, if only because he should think that it would give the globalists unlimited opportunities to cloak their franchise in a drill.
jordan holmes
It would be non-stop false flags.
dan friesen
French fries.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We got to change.
We got to get in line.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, Pachenic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what's going on here, but Alex is off his game.
jordan holmes
It is like when the chips are down for guns, they are willing to sacrifice every other part of America.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it's unfortunate because I think there's probably a way to still love guns and not be this.
jordan holmes
You'd think it wouldn't be that hard.
A lot of people do it.
I would even say the majority of people who own guns are like, let's not kill people.
I'm even going to go that far.
dan friesen
Probably.
So anyway, Tim Menlo leaves.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And Alex is he's got news to get to.
But he's not going to.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's smart.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he's got other things.
alex jones
I got a lot of news to cover in the meantime.
KDIR set to take over.
Always covers the key documents.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
alex jones
Stuff that globalists don't want you to know.
But here's the bottom line.
Newtonian physics show us stop unified fill theory of maximum codified by Albert Einstein's discussion.
But we don't need to see the numbers.
We know it's a field theory.
That for every action, there's an opposite reaction.
An opposite and equal reaction.
And so the new world order needs to know that.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Sure.
They know that.
The harder they hit us, the stronger we get if we don't give up.
That's been happening behind the scenes, and the system's pissed.
But I knew this would happen.
But I have a moral duty to not play into their system.
Hell, I got a bunch of tricks I could play on them.
I know their operation better than they do.
I've got the ring of Mordor.
If I wanted the ring.
What?
But I will not use evil to defeat evil because it will turn into evil.
And again, I will only use good against these people.
jordan holmes
Then why are you keeping the rings?
alex jones
So I got a bunch of stacks of news I haven't gotten to here, and I want to cover them.
But I mentioned the coin earlier that's going to sell out in the next six, seven, eight days.
My God.
We made this promo video that I've forgotten to play.
We might as well air it.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Now, just wow.
dan friesen
I should tell you, I hit a piece of information from you.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
In between the Tim Inlo interview and that clip that I just played for you was a full segment of Alex promoting that coin.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here, you son of a bitch.
dan friesen
He talked for like seven minutes about the coin.
jordan holmes
Wow, they didn't have time to play the clip, so they might as well play it now.
I didn't have the time to get to it.
dan friesen
And I can't get to the news because I have the ring of Mordor.
And he's just running out the clock.
unidentified
Like, he knows that having the ring of part of the form.
jordan holmes
The point is that the Ring of Mordor will turn you evil if you just get yes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I'm aware of that.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
He's not because he's not a nerd.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
He's like that nerd stuff.
alex jones
Everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little frustrating.
Yep.
So, yeah, we come to the end of this.
I think that this is developing very weirdly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I am conflicted a little bit because I do think that there's still an interesting path that's been going down here.
Right, right.
But I worry that I myself am not really enjoying dwelling on this subject matter as much as I am.
And I wonder if the experience is similar for the audience.
So I don't know if I'm not entirely sure if for the next episode we'll continue down this path or maybe have something to switch it up to sort of, you know, mix it up a little bit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Generally speaking, I am all over the place.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you ground me with solid factual information.
And we do not have as much of that as is usually the case.
So I feel like I'm flying solo.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's hard to cling to a whole lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
We'll see how it feels.
And anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Whether you like it or not.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are attorneys out.
Knowledge is going to fight.
I go to bed, Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
dan friesen
Dream Creamy Summer.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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