#687: May 24, 2022—Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ chaotic post-Uvalde broadcast, where he falsely claimed the shooter was transgender (despite lawsuits debunking 4chan hoaxes) and blamed Democrats, pharmaceuticals, or "globalists" for orchestrating the tragedy. Jones, possibly drunk, pivoted to abortion laws and false flag theories while promoting Infowars products, ignoring verified evidence like the shooter’s Facebook threats. Co-host Owen Shroyer pushed debunked narratives—like psychotropic drugs causing violence—while Ted Nugent joined to attack Biden as "treasonous," deflecting focus from gun access. The episode reveals Jones’ reliance on conspiracy-driven deflection and profit, undermining real accountability amid trauma. [Automatically generated summary]
And one of the reasons that I'm giving this caveat is because as we're recording in the present day, we are aware of a number of things that it's unfair to judge Alex by.
I'm Troy, your host of the War Room Riding Shotgun.
Ted Nugent, NRA board member, joining us coming up in the next hour.
You don't like doing emergency broadcasts like this.
Texas has had a mass shooting in elementary school in Uvalde, outside of San Antonio.
And they are now reporting 18 dead students, three adults killed.
In the Uvalde school shooting, I've talked to a lot of law enforcement sources.
It's too early to say anything, but it's very bizarre that this reported individual who appears to be a transgender, like the person that attacked Dave Chappelle last month, had killed his grandmother reportedly, and the board patrol was after him, and then he ran to the school, crashed his vehicle, got in, killed all these people.
And then they were saying he was captured, but now they're reporting he is dead.
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He was set to host today, but things were so hot with such a giant audience, I just thought I had to come in and give you my baseline on what's going on.
And then I'll be back in the second segment, hour two, to play the excerpts where I predicted all this very, very specifically.
Alex knows full well by this point that tragedies are opportunities for him, and he exploits them to the fullest.
That's what's driving this emergency coverage, not a journalistic obligation to cover the story in a way that serves the audience and helps inform people.
And one of the big tells about this is that he says that the shooter in this case was supposedly trans, just like the person who attacked Dave Chappelle recently.
Both of these pieces of information are not true, but Alex knows that transphobia is very popular in his audience and the larger right-wing community right now, so he can contextualize this shooting that way, and he'll be able to fold it into his other narratives very easily.
The person who attacked Dave Chappelle is named Isaiah Lee, and he is a cis man who has given varying explanations for his actions.
It might be because he identifies as bisexual, or that he was unhoused and Chappelle was making jokes about these things, or he also told NBC News that, quote, another comedian in the show made a joke about pedophilia and that, having been molested, it was triggered.
This situation is a bit difficult to parse out specifically, and after the incident, the person he lived with in a transitional housing apartment accused Lee of stabbing him during a fight back in December, and he's now being charged with attempted murder in that case.
There's a lot going on there, but one thing is clear, and that is that Lee is not trans.
That's just a narrative that was concocted by the right-wing media to demonize trans people.
And it was very easy for them to do that, too, because Chappelle himself kind of helped.
After he was attacked, Chappelle joked that the person who did it was a trans man, playing on the very well understood reality that a bunch of his recent work has hurt a lot of people in the trans community and playing on that idea that they would attack in retaliation.
Or something.
And that facilitated the ease of that narrative sticking, and you can see it being parroted by Alex, though not true.
The shooting in Uvalde started at approximately 11.30 a.m., and only a few hours later, people on 4chan began circulating images of a trans woman that they were claiming was the shooter in an intentional effort to perpetuate an anti-trans hoax.
People on 4chan do this thing kind of thing all the time, and Alex falls for it a lot, as was discussed in the Kit Daniels deposition about how he was fooled by a 4chan hoax, which led him to misidentifying Marcel Fontaine as the Parkland shooter.
Alex is doing the exact same thing here, fully illustrating that he's learned exactly zero lessons from the lawsuits he's been facing.
Alex has time-stamped this very conveniently for us, and he says that it's 7.08 Central Time, and from there we can see what information was widely available for him to operate off of.
There were multiple trans women who were targeted by these smear campaigns.
The first of them goes by Sabrina, and at 6.16pm, she had posted on Twitter that she was not the shooter, even going so far as to post new pictures in the same location as the photo being used by trolls to accuse her at 7.04pm.
It makes sense that Alex wouldn't have time to see these new pics that Sabrina posted, but there's no reason for him not to be aware that this was a hoax by the time that he got on air.
There was a second trans woman named Sam who was targeted by these hoaxes, and one of the most likely ways that Alex would have possibly found out about this was at some time prior to 6.39pm, Andrew Torba, the head of Gab, reposted an accusation that Sam was the shooter.
This post had been made by an account called The Nose, which is apparently a verified account on Gab.
I took a little stroll through that account, and here's the first pinned post they have.
Quote, a homogenous society is similar to a healthy, functioning immune system able to detect threats.
So it's really cool that the head of Gab is not only following this guy, but also amplifying their posts where they baselessly accuse someone of killing elementary school students in order to foment hate towards trans people.
By 6.30pm, people on Twitter were pushing back against this, an amplifying post Sam had made that showed that she was not the shooter, and in fact was still alive.
The bottom line is that there is no acceptable reason for Alex to be on air reporting the story this way.
This is one of the first details he's providing about the story, so it seems like it's something very important to him, and he's done literally nothing to check in on it.
At best, he saw something on 4 Chain and decided to run with it, despite him being sued for doing exactly that about another shooting and...
And his corporate representative testifying under oath that 4chan is not a source he would use.
At worst, he's reporting this based on Andrew Torba's reposting of a clear anti-Semite, transphobe, and white nationalist account on Gab who's just repeating random shit that they saw on 4chan or Reddit.
Again, there's no clear evidence that Alex has not learned any lessons from his lawsuits, and that his hatred of trans folks far supersedes his obligation to report accurate information.
I think there's a couple things to disentangle, and one is I kind of agree with you because there is a broad target that's being put on trans people by this kind of coverage.
And the sort of pseudo-vagueness of it.
But secondarily, Alex does use some very clear, distinguishing comments that make it clear that he is talking specifically about Sam.
It's hard to keep center in your mind at all times, but the end goal for all of these people is a society where they can just say, oh, it's a trans person, it's trans people's fault, whenever they fucking want.
It's so transparent how Alex only brings up these talking points about statistics about food insecurity in the developing world whenever he needs to use them to minimize an atrocity that intersects with something he cares about.
If he needs to complain about people wearing masks, then he brings up the issue of people starving and presents it as something that's been solely caused by COVID prevention measures.
If he needs to minimize the murder of 19 children in elementary school and two teachers, he brings up the number of starving people to make that number of children look small.
He's a spineless coward, and I would take this a little more seriously if he seemed to care about those issues relating to food access in the developing world when it wasn't just something he was using as a shield to not address the issue that he's supposed to be covering.
Also, I'm thrilled to see that Alex is taking credit for calling this one, even though he made a huge deal out of how the Buffalo shooting was what he predicted because he said black grocery store.
I guess if you get to claim that you're some kind of a genius for predicting that a school shooting would happen eventually, then everyone in the world is a genius because we all knew it was coming.
There were dips in the number of school shootings and mass shootings in general for a while because of COVID lockdowns.
There were less mass gatherings of people and schools were closed in many places.
That said, there have still been plenty of school shootings since 2020.
The list on Wikipedia includes 72 shootings at schools since the beginning of 2020.
Alex's premise is that they've been hyping up this idea of school shootings in order to get someone to do one because it's a copycat crime that the globalists are trying to incite.
But that premise is stupid, because there have been all of these school shootings that have happened that weren't hyped up, and Alex has no idea that even happened.
A bunch of them happened in Texas, his home state as well, and he still doesn't know.
For instance, does Alex remember that on October 6th, 2021, a man opened fire at Timberview High School in Arlington, Texas, injuring four people?
I've never heard him bring that up.
Does Alex remember that less than a week before that, a 25-year-old dude broke into Yes Prep Southwest School in Houston and shot the principal?
He doesn't remember these things, because he never heard about them and he didn't cover them.
The point is that if the media truly were hyping up school shootings in the way Alex is pretending, there would have been wall-to-wall coverage of the tons of school shootings that have happened that Alex and most people in the country never heard happened, because this stuff has just kind of become a twisted reality of our modern lives.
There are already a ton of excuses.
is he's trying them out to see what's going to fly.
He's asserted that the shooter is trans, so if that works out for him, he can make this about his transphobic narratives instead of about guns.
He's blamed the media for supposedly hyping up shooters, Oh, you're upset about 19 dead kids?
What about all the people in the developing world without food?
Not so righteous now, are you?
It's really transparent how much of a threat this is to Alex, and he's behaving accordingly.
He knows damn well that this is the sort of event that has precipitated tighter gun regulation in other countries in the past, so he has to do a full-court press immediately to try and create new narratives about the shooting while this cement is still working.
I really do think that it's a one-to-one comparison, and it's a good thought to have in your mind whenever he says shit like this, because it is fucked up.
That's a disgusting and almost inhuman level of narcissism that Alex is displaying.
He's actually claiming that coverage of the lawsuit against him over his claims about Sandy Hook may have been part of the reason this shooting happened.
So if I understand correctly, people shouldn't have sued Alex because that'll end up causing coverage of the reason he's being sued, and then mentally ill people will hear about this mass shooting and think, ah, I should do that.
No, it really, you know, it is something that when we talked to John Ronson, you know, he brought up that idea of like, what are we judging Alex based upon, you know?
Like, we're judging him based upon human society, and he doesn't belong there, you know, period.
So he just lives by a completely different set of...
This is what I'm kind of talking about when we, like, our last episode of the Project Camelot 1, we're talking about the merging of conspiracy and politics.
There's so many different angles, Alex, when I look at this.
Okay, so...
We've had over 200 mass shootings in this country in the year 2022 alone.
200 mass shootings, but only two of them have made the media, the national press, and that's the one in Buffalo most recently, and then, of course, this one today in Texas.
So here, Owen accidentally deflates Alex's entire narrative about hyping up mass shootings.
If there have been over 200 of them and there has only been major media coverage of two, that tends to make the argument that the media is actually downplaying mass shootings.
Alex kind of realizes that that's the point that you would draw from this conversation, so he throws out a distraction point about how he feels that shootings done by non-white people don't get coverage.
Again, this is literally the fraudulent talking point that Dylann Roof cited as being his radicalization point towards carrying out the Charleston shootings.
Alex should probably stop repeating it all the time.
Owen's lying, or has no idea what he's talking about here.
There has been media coverage of other shootings this year.
Owen is also playing games here, because he knows exactly why there's been more media attention as it relates to the Buffalo and Uvalde shootings.
Firstly, of all the mass shootings that have occurred this year, these are the two with the highest death tolls by a considerable amount.
Second, they are the shootings that have particularly horrific characteristics that make them more painful to the general population.
In the instance of Buffalo, there was a shooter who was a white nationalist who set out to carry this shooting out specifically to kill black people.
In the case of Uvalde, though there weren't many details available when Owen's on air, it was a fucking elementary school, and they knew that at least 18 children had been murdered.
Owen knows these dynamics perfectly well, but he's pretending not to in order to make it suspicious that these two shootings have gotten more attention and imply that it has something to do with the midterms.
This is unacceptable behavior, and Owen should be deeply ashamed of himself for this kind of coverage.
The reason they act like this is because this story and stories like this threaten their basic far-right ideology on almost every level, so they have to attack that reality when these stories exist at all costs.
And that's why they're sort of warping reality around the way they are.
But, I mean, while we're in speculation territory, Owen really thinks that this is the midterm issue.
Jesus.
See, this is where it's kind of like, alright, this is a non- Right.
I don't think that necessarily that's like...
I don't think it has a lot of meaning.
I don't think that night is the time necessarily where it has the most value to discuss, but it's not the same as a lot of the other conspiracy theorizing that's going on.
And I feel that really, it goes beyond the racial lines.
With this, I think that they're really drumming up the mass shootings as a news story here before the midterms, because the Democrats have nothing, Alex.
I mean, we have to remember, it's a midterm election year.
Democrats politicize everything to try to get people to vote.
So, I mean, look at all the things they've tried.
They've tried racism.
They've tried the abortion issue.
They've tried Ukraine.
It's all failed.
It's all flopped.
So now they're going to try the gun thing.
I think that this is their next big push to let's find an issue that we can use people to go out and vote on.
And I think that now it's going to be the gun issue, or at least they're going to try it.
What about the leading cause of death amongst middle-aged men being fentanyl, which is all thanks to the open borders?
So you can kind of see the difference in the sort of base perspective that they're giving.
Owen is talking about the coverage that will happen after the fact.
Alex is saying that coverage of things caused it.
And there is a difference.
I don't know how meaningful it is, but whatever.
And you can see, though, I think almost maybe more importantly, these guys can't address this news story without creating a completely separate issue to use as a prop.
He has to cover the story by speculating that the Democrats are going to use guns as a campaign issue in the midterms.
This isn't an emergency report about the shooting.
It's an emergency report attempting to get out in front of whatever coverage other outlets end up doing about the shooting.
It's damage control more than anything.
And that's something you see again from Alex, where he and Owen are coming up with other things that have higher death tolls than this shooting in an attempt to minimize the horror of what had happened hours earlier.
I weirdly don't hear them bring up COVID death tolls here, but I guess that's just not the brand.
Also, there's plenty of media coverage of suicides among enlisted persons and fentanyl deaths.
Maybe there could be more investigation of the first one, but it's not something that people are just ignoring.
If you really want to do this shit, I can show you how pathetic this game is really easily.
If your interest is just in minimizing the number of deaths occurred, you could say that there were 21 people killed here, and yes, that's really sad, but between 2010 and 2020, an average of 39 people die each year in the United States while skiing, and you never hear the media talk about that.
Sure, it's a fact, but it's also not relevant to the matter at hand, and it's something you'd only bring up if you were actively trying to get your audience to be less horrified by the horrific shooting that had just happened.
Yeah, it's like, you know, you would only bring up in a conversation about the Holocaust how many people Stalin killed if you really wanted to let people know you were on Hitler's team.
And in a coming up in a few minutes, I'll start putting him on screen.
The reported shooter, who's now been killed, versus they said he'd been captured, I know driving in, I sent you guys some of the images of him in dresses and all the rest of this stuff, but you're not going to see any of that in the corporate media.
We'll never know the truth about all the pharmaceutical pills that this individual was on because the mainstream media is funded by Big Pharma, so you're not allowed to talk about that kind of...
So interesting that Owen is complaining there about the media making knee-jerk reactions because in that 18-second clip, there were quite a few knee-jerk reactions being made by Alex and Owen.
The first is that Owen is asserting that we'll never know what drugs the shooter was on because the media is funded by Big Pharma so they don't talk about it.
In order to make this claim, Owen has to make the knee-jerk assumption that the shooter in fact was on pharmaceutical drugs, something that he has no evidence of and has decided must be true because that's his narrative about shootings.
He also asserted that the media covers that stuff up because of their funding sources, so even if it never comes out that the shooter was on drugs, Owen can still cling to that knee-jerk reaction because the lack of evidence coming out really only confirms the power of the cover-up.
Alex is making a further knee-jerk reaction where he's decided that this trans woman, who is the victim of a 4chan hoax, is the shooter because he's desperate to take advantage of every opportunity to demonize trans people.
He says, quote, let's continue to go through those photos, let's enlarge those, let's put those on screen, please, before they take it down.
These ideas that Alex and Owen are disseminating aren't just inaccurate.
What they're doing is creating a completely false reality for the audience to understand the shooting within.
It's really fucked up to see how so much of the behavior they're engaging in mirrors past coverage they've done that's gotten them sued.
And I suspect the reason for that is because they never needed to learn a lesson from those lawsuits.
They always knew what they were doing was wrong.
That's the premise that I'm starting to kind of feel.
So that skirt identification is kind of important because of the main pictures that were going around, there's only one person whose pictures were involving a skirt or a dress.
It's true enough that it's not the knife's fault that Owen got stabbed in that hypothetical, but this is logic for babies.
No one's blaming the gun in the sense that the gun itself has any moral consideration in the situation.
The argument is that with easy access to very powerful guns, the people who are inclined to hurt other people can do so much easier.
Alex is basically highlighting that by using the knife example here.
Generally speaking, someone with a knife is not going to be able to pull off a mass casualty event because people are more likely to be able to and be successful in intervening.
Further, people are less likely to kill random people with a knife because it requires proximity to the person, whereas shooting someone allows the killer to have a feeling of distance.
Like, imagine a knife gun.
We would probably not.
That would be just as big of a problem as a gun.
This is an idea that Alex has expressed enough that the audience just kind of nods and accepts it.
Yeah, I mean, if he wants to make it a meaningful argument, if they want to make it a meaningful argument, then what they're really trying to grapple with is that a male-dominated society produces a shit-ton of violence against women, and that the overwhelming number of these shooters is driven almost ultimately, bottomly, like, deeply by misogyny.
That is a piece of information that probably isn't known about this shooter at the time that they're on air, but it is something that's known about a trend, let's say.
And yeah, I think that that is also, secondarily, along with guns, another issue, the idea of domestically violent men.
Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to tell me that we don't get gun control except men don't get to have guns, that probably would be better than gun control.
I think you're going to run into some trouble there, but I definitely think there's something to be said for more oversight of people who have had accusations about domestic violence and things like that, and limiting access to weapons.
There's a lot that could be done in terms of harm reduction from that front.
get the protection but they get the state funded taxpayer funded protection of firearms that they want to take away from us alex this is the same fucking tune these dudes play every time there's a shooting the dems are out to get your guns just you wait tomorrow there's a Yep.
entire worldviews on the insistence and fear that a gun grab is coming right around the corner and because it never happens they reap the rewards of their extremism pretending that it's in defense of liberty but in fact it's just a vice yep that story about nancy pelosi probably isn't true it was based on a comment made by by Ken Cuccinelli, who is a guy who Trump appointed to government positions illegally
He was also the subject of a scandal at the end of his time serving as a deputy in Trump's Department of Homeland Security.
Brian Murphy, who is the head of the DHS's intelligence branch, came out as a whistleblower saying that senior officials had instructed him to alter intelligence assessments.
From the New York Times, If you read the report Mr. Murphy filed, it's really outrageous.
Here's another thing that Cuccinelli was said to have done.
Quote, Mr. Murphy defended the work in his reports,
but Mr. Cuccinelli stated he wanted changes to the information outlining high levels of corruption, violence, and poor economic conditions in these three respective countries.
Mr. Cuccinelli expressed frustration with the intelligence reports and he accused unknown deep state intelligence analysts of compiling the intelligence information to undermine President Donald J. Trump's policy objectives with respect to asylum.
So, sure.
People who may be in favor of tighter gun regulation may also have armed security for themselves.
That's fair enough, but it doesn't mean anything.
Armed security guards are licensed, and it's not like armed security guards are just random people that someone knows who happens to have guns.
You don't get a posse together as your armed security.
As with the stuff about Pelosi wanting machine guns, I'm not going to believe anything that Cuccinelli says without proof, but I guess that's enough for Owen.
A raving asshole who wants to outlaw being gay said this thing, so it must be true.
If you believe the official story, and they're changing every five minutes, just went and killed 21 people, 18 children at an elementary school.
What type of demon is being chased by the police and thinks, okay, I'll just turn into this parking lot and I'll go into a school and kill a bunch of small children.
I mean, this is all...
And again, was this happening a year ago, two years ago?
No.
It was a pause.
And now...
Suddenly, ladies and gentlemen, with 168 days from the midterms, just like we predicted, it's now happening.
I don't know what Alex even means by leftist anymore, so this kind of falls flat for me in terms of how you'd even respond to that.
We know that the shooter was a horrific misogynist and threatened to rape and murder a bunch of women over the social media app Yubo, but that's not behavior that's necessarily specific to the left or right.
We know that he bought multiple guns and seems to really like guns a lot.
Gun ownership is certainly not specific to right-wing folks, but they are the ones who are more consistently preoccupied with guns.
From the available information, I don't know if it would be appropriate to try and nail down any political ideology that the shooter ascribed to, and it would be even further as a leap to attribute the shooting to any particular political motivation.
More information may come out on that front in time, but as it stands now, Alex is just making that up in order to lump the shooter in with his political enemies.
And honestly, it's probably mostly based on the hoax pictures of trans women that he got from 4chan.
That's probably what he's basing this on.
Also, you again have Alex implying that the shooting has something to do with the midterms.
In order for what he's saying to mean anything, you really have to believe that he's implying some kind of foreknowledge on the part of the Democrats or globalists, or even that they caused the shooting.
Alex is saying that there was a lull in mass shootings, and then now magically, just before the midterm, they're happening again, but even Owen has contradicted that narrative already, pointing out that there have been over 200 mass shootings already in 2022.
According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were 692 mass shootings in 2021 and 610 in 2020.
These numbers actually represent an increase over previous years, with 417 in 2019 and 336 in 2018.
And one of the things that is kind of complicating about this is the specific criteria of what constitutes a mass shooting.
And so you have a lot of these.
But in terms of things like the school shooting that happened in Uvalde, there are less of that kind of an event.
But in terms of gross numbers of mass shootings, there's not been.
There's actually been an increase.
Alex is just making up the idea that there haven't been mass shootings because he doesn't know or care, and acting like this is a thing that just mysteriously started happening again before the midterms allows him to get his audience to think it was probably fake without him having to take the responsibility of saying it.
Well, you can go back into the 70s and you still had rifle classes at the average high school and you had high school students bringing guns to school.
They would bring their rifles and keep it in a locker.
And here's my fear because there seems to be mystery still about the whole grandma aspect and then the odd thing where he runs away, crashes his car, runs.
I've seen firsthand.
I've experienced this from friends of mine.
They'll start taking the pharmaceutical pills, and it doesn't even matter what kind.
I mean, it's Xanax, Ritalin, like there's all kinds of different, it's all the same stuff.
And I've witnessed in my own friends group before, where friends of mine who never were on the psychotropic drugs in high school, never exhibited any odd behavior, we got into college.
They started taking the psychotropic drugs because the doctors prescribed it to them in college.
It seems to be a trend.
It's like half of college students are on these pills now.
And immediately I noticed destructive behavior.
But what it is is that it's like a tumbling effect.
So it's like they'll do one thing destructive, and then they'll do another thing, and it's like there's...
So the argument Owen is trying to make here, based on his experience in college, is that the shooter was on these psychotropic drugs, which apparently have a tumbling effect, where you do one destructive thing and then you do another.
So the thinking here is that he shot his grandmother, and then the tumble was that he shot up this school.
That's a fun fantasy for Owen, but in reality, the shooter had sent messages on Facebook prior to leaving his house about his plan to shoot his grandmother and then shoot people at the school.
Also, there's literally no evidence that the shooter was on psych meds, and you get a pretty strong sense that he almost certainly was not when you consider his living situation and how unlikely that it would be that he would have access to mental health care.
Also, psych meds don't cause the behavior that Owen is describing.
He just had a friend who had some problems, and he's blaming medication for it instead of trying to look at the broader picture because he's dumb and he needs something to blame for this tragedy other than guns and domestically violent men.
And so this is the outcome that you get.
You demonize certain vulnerable communities.
You demonize the idea of appropriate mental health care.
People understand that because there are psychopaths...
Like this is the reason we need guns, is the reason we need to protect ourselves.
And I'm sorry, big public schools, elementary schools for these demons are now targets.
Just like I said, you're going to see a white supremacist attack on a black grocery store because you can see the pre-programming, you can pick it up, you can see where it's going.
Whoever's behind it, how do we predict that?
And the answer is we've done our studying.
And this whole thing is very suspicious with the midterms coming up.
And all of them are on psychotropics.
You take the guy from the Parkland shooting, dozens of times said he was going to kill people because his last name was Cruz.
They couldn't arrest him because of a George Soros appointed district attorney or elected district attorney.
One of the things that really sucks is that because of the police response and the way that the story shifted over the days immediately after the shooting.
Alex's consistent narrative about these things becomes a little bit easier for people to accept.
Whenever he's not feeling very ambitious and doesn't want to make too bold of a statement, Alex will always say that the police ordered a stand-down surrounding events like mass shootings.
He says that all the time, and he's always making it up, but because of the particular details of this police response, he may be able to convince some people that he's got the goods on this one.
The idea that the cops ordered don't do anything, that is what we are talking about.
Alex is talking about the cops ordered we don't do anything because the globalists told us to so we can get as many kids dead so then we get gun control or whatever the fuck it is.
And those are differences that we'll definitely get.
More into detail in a future episode.
All that being said, Alex is basically wrong about everything he's saying in that clip.
Shooters aren't always on psychotropic drugs.
There's no evidence that this shooter was, and while Nicholas Cruz had taken meds in the past, there's no evidence that he had for approximately a year before the shooting.
This is a standard talking point that gun fanatics use to derail conversations about shootings, but it's not based in reality.
The Broward County State Attorney is currently Harold Pryor, but he was elected in 2020.
Prior to that, the office was filled by Michael Satt.
The narrative that Alex is going off of is about how Soros is paying to get prosecutors and DAs put in office who will follow his instructions.
But with Sats, that doesn't make sense since he'd been in that office since 1976.
Mm-hmm.
Alex also has a talking point about how they couldn't arrest Nicholas Cruz because he had a Hispanic last name, but this is just Alex being racist.
In reality, this is referring to the fact that in middle school, Cruz had vandalized a school bathroom, and instead of getting arrested, he was referred to an alternative disciplinary program called Promise.
The basic idea of it was to take students who do things that are bad but not super bad and make sure that their mistake doesn't bring them into the criminal justice system.
Cruz never completed that program, but the fact that he was sent to this instead of getting arrested for a misdemeanor vandalism charge has nothing to do with the shooting and has nothing to do with his last name.
This is just a racist story Alex has come up with to weave a compelling story for his audience who are always hungry for racist stories.
And that's one of the things that he throws around a lot.
And you're creating an atmosphere where discussion of sensible gun regulations that aren't everybody's guns are gonna be taken, you can't buy a gun ever again.
kind of conversation is more likely to lead to outbreaks of violence.
But because of the tenor of the conversation that happens on Alex's show.
Yeah.
of this coverage, the prospect of making progress towards a better status quo where people can stay armed responsibly And we make it more difficult for people who have a propensity or are more likely to commit violent crimes with the guns.
I have a harder time getting it.
The conversation surrounding that will just end up with people being like, over my dead body.
Well, and it just becomes a, really, it becomes a media phenomenon where they just pick and choose which shootings that they want to cover and which ones they don't.
They could not cover this at all, and most people would have no idea it happened.
That's what happens with 99% of mass shootings in this country, is they don't cover it, and so nobody knows it happens.
But then they pick and choose the ones they want to cover, and obviously it becomes politicized.
But there's one solution.
I mean, there is only one solution to this, Alex, and that is you have to have armed security.
Like, I wonder if Owen can think of any situation where there was a shooting in the U.S. where a bunch of elementary school kids were murdered and the media didn't cover it.
So we have just no idea that it happened.
I sincerely wonder what Owen thinks is going on in the world, if that's something he's going to say with a straight face on this show.
Many shootings, while obviously sad and something that should be taken seriously, are local issues.
They don't really concern people outside of a certain geographical region, so they don't often get much media attention from national outlets or even outside of their news market.
A lot of mass shootings don't result in deaths, and often there aren't even severe injuries, so that isn't really something that, like, CNN does.
Yeah.
And we grieve together.
And let's imagine the scenario that Owen's talking about.
Let's imagine that this shooting happened and all the major national media didn't even touch it.
Do you think for a second that wouldn't become the next Infowars conspiracy?
If the media covers a story, they're pushing an agenda.
If they don't cover the story, they're engaged in a cover-up.
There's no situation where a response to a mass shooting will ever satisfy people like Alex and Owen because they're not acting from a sincere position.
None of these things are actual arguments.
They're the performance of the normal deflection.
they use to bully people out of talking about guns in the aftermath of a tragedy.
And as for the point about armed security, that school district had all sorts of policies in place already, and they didn't do anything.
You had armed police there on the scene, and it didn't do anything to stop it.
In 2019, Governor Abbott signed a law that was passed to allow teachers to be armed and created measures to harden the security at schools.
This was after a mass shooting at Santa Fe High School in Houston left ten people dead, and there was pressure on Abbott to do something.
According to the Associated Press, they did all this stuff about hardening the schools because it was preferable to the alternative.
Quote, efforts to create so-called red flag laws to keep guns away from people deemed to be dangerous to themselves and others, and to toughen penalties for negligent home storage, were defeated.
These solutions offered by Owen and Alex aren't solutions.
They're just like the Texas government passing laws to hardened schools to avoid addressing gun-related issues.
Alex and Owen are creating their own fake solutions so they don't have to get into territory that directly implicates their own ideology.
But imagine if you had, you don't have to arm every teacher, but the teachers that want to get armed, take a class, have a concealed carry, make sure they're armed.
One time, one time a shooter tries to go into a school and gets his head blown off by an armed teacher, guess what?
So Owen is really coming off as about the stupidest asshole imaginable on this show.
He really expects me to buy that once one teacher shoots someone trying to do a school shooting, the problem will solve itself because people will know that schools aren't soft targets.
I honestly can't stress how stupid this is enough.
For one thing, the other place that Alex and the crew always refer to as soft targets is churches.
So using Owen's logic, one would think that the minute someone trying to do a shooting at a church was confronted by good guys with guns, people would stop trying to shoot up churches since they knew it wouldn't be a soft target.
But this isn't the case.
Springs shooting in 2017 was stopped by Stephen Williford, an armed neighbor who came to help.
And yet, there have been church shootings since.
There was another one in Texas, even, in 2019, at the West Freeway Church of Christ, where an armed volunteer security guard killed a shooter mid-attack.
And yet, even after that, there have still been church shootings.
Just this month, there was a shooting at the Geneva Presbyterian Church in Laguna Woods, California.
The fact that aspiring church shooters have run into armed resistance apparently hasn't made the dramatic impact that Owen is pretending that it would, and shootings continue.
To imagine that a different dynamic would exist with schools is pure fantasy.
It's nonsense.
Another thing to consider is that most shooters don't expect to survive their attacks.
Many of them kill themselves rather than allowing themselves to get caught, so I don't think they care that much if there's a good guy with a gun there who kills them after they've been able to do a bunch of damage, which is really their goal.
I thought these dudes were supposed to be against the prison planet and the whole militarizing of society, and here they are wanting to...
And we know that putting more police in schools leads to more kids being arrested for no fucking reason, leads to more trauma.
All of those active shooter drills only traumatize children, and they clearly, despite having been done so many places, especially Uvalde, don't fucking do anything.
So if your argument is it's nobody, then don't do anything because you're only traumatizing more children to do nothing for the children who are going to be murdered.
At my partner's school, the day after, what happened?
Did they have a communal session?
Did everybody come together and grieve?
Did anybody even talk about their issues?
Nope.
What happened was every single kid walked through the door, was searched viciously, went through a metal detector, was questioned, was all of this shit, and then told to go about their day.
He's minimizing using statistics, and that's really shitty.
And you might notice that he never does that when it comes to, let's say, crimes committed by immigrants.
He'll take a single incident like that and extrapolate that out into being the greatest ill in society and proof that we need closed, militarized borders.
But here, when a bunch of school kids are murdered, he implores you to put the numbers in perspective.
And it's because he's a callow piece of shit just trying to push his right-wing politics.
It has nothing to do...
With the reality of the statistics or anything like that.
This guy was Hispanic, supposedly, if it's even true, whatever's going on.
We'd be fools just to believe what we're being told.
I'm not saying it didn't happen or the way we're being told didn't happen because the story's changing all the time.
First, he was captured.
Now he's dead.
But imagine if it had been a white drug addict, shoot-em-up video game head.
And I'm not bashing anybody that likes shoot-em-up video games.
We're saying the profile is a guy that can't get a girlfriend or a guy that has a girlfriend break up with him who is generally a nerd, a trendy, who is on psychotropics.
Who's into Satanism, this guy fits the bill, that then somehow is satanically guided or spiritually guided to kill children.
I mean, why would you go and do this?
Why would you kill innocent children?
What is going on?
It's a selfishness.
It's a true demonic evil.
And the answer is not giving our guns up when the children of the Davos group and the children of the Democratic Party and the children of the abortion industry and the children of this whole church of Satanism we're dealing with No, but if someone created a fist gun...
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I mean, it seems odd for him to struggle getting into the mind of somebody who wants to kill innocent children, considering every time he looks at his daughter, he says to her...
I am willing to accept that you will die in a mass shooting in order to make sure that I still get to hang on to all my guns in that closet over there.
So at the end of the day, your life is worth less than those guns over there.
Just in case you were wondering, every morning when we say hi, I love those guns more than you being alive.
Pharmaceutical is derived both from Latin and Greek, and the word just has to do with drugs.
One thing that's interesting, though, is when you look at the Greek root words, this is fascinating, because in Greek, you have the word pharmakios, which can be translated as a poisoner or a sorcerer.
But that is just because the word pharmakon is a bit of a catch-all, meaning things from drugs to poisons to spells and enchantments.
The same dynamic exists within Latin, where the word pharmacia can mean both healing or harming medicines, or even a magical potion.
The belief is that this word is based on something that predates Greek, and there's a phenomenon among archaic languages where the words for poison and medicine are often the same, differentiated by...
Right, right, right, right.
So that's sort of a confusion that he's playing around.
There are also two main reasons why the snake has become a symbol in the medical field.
The first is that in the book of Numbers, after the people lose their faith in the wilderness and start speaking out against God and Moses, God sends fire snakes to bite people.
When the people realize the error of their ways and beg Moses for help here, I'm going to read to you from Numbers 21, verses 22. Go for it.
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Therefore the people came to Moses and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against thee.
Pray unto the Lord that he take away the serpents from us.
And Moses prayed for the people.
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent and set it upon a pole, and it shall come to pass that everyone that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
There's a biblical root to one of the primary reasons that the snake is associated with the symbology for medicine.
The other reason is the metaphor of a snake shedding its skin and going from old and weary to young and new again, which is analogous to the doctor's goal of healing people.
Anyway, Owen has just made up a bunch of dumb shit, or maybe he read it on a dumb blog, and he's parroting it to his audience, pretending that it means anything, and using it to demonize psych meds, which he insists were to blame for the shooting, even though he has actually no idea if they are.
Owen, look, I don't want to say this was staged provocateur, but we have specifically said, with two years of hardly any mass shootings, That with all the pre-programming, that mass shootings are coming, and terrorists are going to attack, and we've got to take the guns.
And then I'm like, well, I would predict a lot of mass shootings right before the election, and then, like, clockwork is happening.
You know, to me, it's just very opportunistic what's happening.
I feel like I'm not allowed to say that it's staged anymore, and I really do want to say that, so I'm going to try and get you to kind of give me some cover to say that I can speculate about it, so whenever people are like...
Could be, or he could just be tired, but I don't know.
Again, I have no interest in pretending that Owen sincerely doesn't understand why the media would cover the Buffalo and Uvalde shootings more than, say, I don't know, the March 7th shooting in Knoxville, Tennessee, where four people were injured and no one was killed.
It's a false premise Owen is using, and he knows damn well the bullshit he's peddling.
Now, I was interested in the notion that he put forth that these mass shootings are all in Democrat-controlled inner cities.
I wondered if that was true, so I decided to analyze the data of all the mass shootings this year and see if what Owen...
Here's what I found.
The first thing I learned is that looking at the numbers like this is stupid.
This is in no way a red state-blue state thing, nor is it an inner-city rural area issue.
There are mass shootings in smaller cities, and there are mass shootings in urban centers.
I'm not positive this means anything, but since I took the time to compile this, here are the numbers.
Defining red and blue states by their governor, for red states you have 102 mass shootings total, with 124 fatalities and 455 injuries.
For blue states you have 14 total mass shootings with 123 fatalities and 483 injuries.
Overall, it's pretty close.
So, like I said, I don't know if it means anything.
Anyway, I guess the point is that I was curious about if what Owen was saying meant anything, and after consulting the numbers, I've come to the strong conclusion that he's talking out of his ass, which I should have just assumed.
Sometimes you're just like, let me make a spreadsheet here.
If metal detectors and armed police would protect these schools, I'd be for it.
But the real thing to do is to arm the teachers and the principals and others.
So when a mass murderer like this comes in there who's demonically of the Democratic Party wanting to kill children, they're obsessed with raping them or killing them, destroying their innocence.
There's people stopping.
We have a demon problem.
We have a satanic collapse problem the Bible predicted.
And the answer is not us rolling over, but us saying, okay, you want to try to come after me?
And protect our little children, because these demons...
are coming for our children at every level and they have pre-programmed psychos just like this so when the chips are down they go to kill children to make their final deal with satan like any satanist would do and the answer is weapons and being informed and watchful to defend ourselves.
And the call he's making is to build the conspiracy about the cover-up of something he has no idea about.
That's kind of the level of bullshit workshopping that's so important that they had to do this special episode.
It's entirely pointless, except to drive into the audience's heads that no matter what they hear, this person was on psych meds, the psych meds made him commit murder, and there's a cover-up about whether or not he was on those meds.
If the media says he wasn't on meds, that means he was.
And if they say he was, Also,
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on the buyback program...
People need to understand that on the buyback program for the guns, there's no questions asked.
So when you have buyback programs in towns, gun thefts go through the roof.
When they say no questions asked, it means that if you have a gun you're not legally allowed to own in a certain state, you won't get in trouble for bringing it to a buyback.
It doesn't mean they just accept whatever gun from anybody.
Every state has the authority to run these programs however they choose, but typically how they do it is that when a gun is turned in, they run the serial number of it through the database of reported stolen guns.
If that number matches a stolen gun, they can't destroy it without contacting the legal owner and getting their permission.
In some states, you'll also get arrested if you're the person who's trying to turn in a stolen gun.
This guy says he lives in Nebraska, where it's a Class 2A felony to attempt to dispose of a stolen firearm, so I'm guessing he's just seen some dumb memes and decided that there are people out there stealing everyone's guns so they can sell them to the government.
And also, I would think that stealing guns would be something that Alex thinks can't happen, because you would be targeting someone who you know is armed.
This guy's just created a fun story for himself, a narrative arc based on hoax pictures and just what he assumes might have happened to somebody in elementary school.
See, that's funny because this guy's trying to express solidarity with Alex, but the way he's doing it actually invalidates a giant argument Alex yells about all the time.
According to Alex, black people should have no problem getting justice in the courts because there's no such thing as systemic racism.
Why, this caller sounds like he's trying to push CRT.
It's hard to believe that Alex doesn't shout him down and correct him the way he would if some left-leaning person were to try to tell him that black people are treated unfairly in the justice system.
It does seem Alex should say, excuse me, you've never had any trouble with the justice system because the entire globalist sphere is angled towards making sure you get away with crimes as much as possible.
So you can't express solidarity with me.
As a white person, I'm the only one persecuted by the American justice system, sir.
When I speak, you know, Alex, we've spent time together.
I don't have hunches and I eliminate presumptions in my life.
I look into evidence and I embrace the evidence that I am exposed to.
And I just cannot overstate the heartbreak.
And I know you know that, but I don't think we should pivot off the pain and suffering right now to allow politics to enter this for as long as we possibly can till we get all the answers.
That recognizing the pain and really, like, not pivoting off it is, like, if it wasn't Ted Nugent saying it, I think I'd probably be okay with the sentiment.
I am not only dedicated and passionate and emotional about representing the heartbeat of brokenhearted Americans, especially in New Valley, Texas, but I'm also on with you right now, Alex, while one of the worst human beings that has ever slithered the earth is on television right now, a man who thinks he's the president of the United States, a horrible, evil, heartless, soulless, treasonous man,
I think that you're mere hours after someone murdered elementary school students, and you're going out of your way to say that Joe Biden is one of the worst people who has ever existed.
Well, of course, I'm a huge supporter and believer in evidence.
evidence that I bet and I scrutinize and I research with all my heart and soul.
And Dinesh D'Souza has documented that in his documentary 2000 Mules, that the 2020 election was fraudulent.
Dead people by the millions voted, that illegal people voted, that that fraud and criminal corruption took place in the 2020 election and that Joe Biden did not win the 2020 election legally.
That isn't something that these people say sincerely, even.
Like, they don't even mean it.
It's not meant to be taken seriously because it's not an actual statement of what they practice as much as it's a statement of how they want to be seen.
Not being smart as a practice, but being interested in evidence and the things that you're talking about being grounded is something that you have to do.
It's not something that you are.
And the way that Nugent and these people like him...
No, this is a characteristic of me.
And that's, I think, fraudulent, but I also think that it's never meant to be really serious.
I'm telling you that this is so ugly that heretofore so-called moderate Democrats, they're finally getting their head out of their ass and they're going, wait a minute.
If you don't have secure borders, you're not even a country.
When you facilitate the invasion of fentanyl and methamphetamine, when you reward coyotes...
Trafficking children for sex and profit, when you see it wide open, those that thought they had a hope for a Democrat lifestyle, they're finally going, my God, the current Democrats in the United States of America, they are pure evil.
We know conservatives that aren't even registered to vote.
We have to fix them.
We have to score them.
I don't care what you have to do, but if you believe in God, family, country, law and order, individual freedoms, Constitution, Bill of Rights, you've got to get everybody in your life to vote those core values.
We started HunterNation.org.
Please, my friends, join me at HunterNation.org.
It's the Clearinghouse, Alex.
For conservatives to get everybody in their life who believes in all the good things that make the greatest quality of life in the history of humanity here in the United States of America, particularly here in Texas.
I remember when these guys were saying Democrats doing, like, get-out-the-vote efforts and registration drives were evil, and they were just trying to steal an election by signing up fake people.
Now Ted is yelling about getting people registered?
Seems fishy.
I went to Hunter Nation, and it's essentially a subscription website Ted runs, where there's some dumb content like blogs and stuff, but it's mostly just about him making money.
He also apparently does a show there where he tells a co-host about things he's hunted, called The Nightly.
It's dumb.
I guess things have dried up since he doesn't have those TV shows anymore and his music sucks so you gotta do what you gotta do.
Yeah.
On the site, also, you can buy raffle tickets to go hunting with Ted or, if you like, you can try to win a chance to hunt a bear in Idaho.
One of their past dream hunts was go, uh, go shooting with, Trump's son.
There's a tell here that Ted is obscuring, and that's that there's another website called Hunt the Vote, which is where the whole registration drive is.
Hunter Nation is Ted's website where there's a bunch of his dumb bullshit that he sells on it.
If he were actually focused on the registration stuff as opposed to advertising his own garbage, he'd promote the other site, and he knows what he's doing.
Well, the pull Pulse on the not-so-mean streets of America, Alex, which you retain an accurate reading of that pulse, and we thank you for that.
We thank you for speaking up and raising hell.
That's what the Founding Fathers wanted all good Americans, to be like Ted Nugent and Alex Jones.
If you're not raising hell, you might as well go to Cuba where you're not allowed to.
The point being is that I know these people.
I walk the streets here in Texas, and I still communicate with my friends in all 50 states, Alex.
I was on the phone today with Steven Tyler down there.
I'm on the phone with just ranchers and farmers and cops and teachers in all 50 states nonstop getting ready for a rock and roll tour and a hunting season where we share campfires both literally and figuratively.
I believe that there is an awakening taking place because of the cruelty of our current government.
The cruelty, the dishonesty, the violation of their sacred constitutional oath.
I believe that it's going to be a win-win.
I'm an eternal optimist and I have great hope.
That people are waking up and we are going to crush this treasonous wave that is now headed by this freak who can't form a syllable in the White House.
Alex fetishizes the Founding Fathers, and yet they did exactly the thing he's constantly yelling about the globalists doing, and then the globalists never actually do the thing.
So they overthrew him, and then they looked at their own behavior towards other people, and they were like, oh shit, they have a legitimate grievance against us.
We could do things better.
Or, I'll tell you this, that King George guy knew what he was talking about.
I mean, isn't he supposed to even be like, no, slaves could own guns because of the Second Amendment or whatever it is.
Aren't they supposed to believe that all the rights apply equally even if you're a slave because you choose to be a slave or something along those lines?
So anyway, Caller has some, I would say, fucked up perspectives, and Alex decides to sign off on that.
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I've been listening to your show for about two years.
I really appreciate the work you're doing.
If these satanic lunatics can't kill them in the womb, then they brainwash them through the media and the schools, then the pharma companies get a hold of them and whack them out of their minds with the drugs.
We need to take our kids out of these institutions and make sure we teach them about Jesus because he's coming back very soon.
This is something that frustrates me so much about the demonic left.
They want to sit here and virtue signal and have their crocodile tears anytime they can use a tragedy for their political advantage.
I don't want to hear about a Democrat upset about the children dead in the Uvalde shooting because you celebrate 60 million dead babies aborted in this country.
From what they're doing and how they're engaging with this, that there is much of a difference between their response to the shooting and their response to what liberals are doing.
Alex is making this clarification based on Andy Ngo posting that this trans individual isn't confirmed to be the shooting after he's already spent pretty much his entire show reporting that the shooter is trans.
And to be clear, the picture they've been talking about this whole show is the one that was the 4chan hoax.
You can tell by how preoccupied Alex has been about the stockings and skirt.
The picture that the actual shooter posted to his Instagram includes him wearing pants.
This is Alex realizing in real time that he's done the same thing that he did with the Parkland shooting all over again.
He's taken some dumb shit he saw on 4chan and he's participated in and greatly amplified the defamatory claims that an innocent person is a mass murderer.
All it takes is a tweet from Andy Ngo to get Alex to start covering his ass.
But if you pay attention, you'll see that Andy posted that tweet at 629 p.m.
over half an hour before Alex got on air for this special report.
I have no idea if what Alex did this time is actionable in any way, but it's a cold splash of water to the face that brings into sharp focus that Alex is incapable Yeah.
His priority is pushing his extreme right-wing politics, and he does not give a shit if he hurts people in service of making engaging, sensationalized, and bigoted content.
Don't forget that within the first minute of being on air, Alex reported that the shooter was trans, based on a picture that he'd come across and sent to his staff, which Alex specifically said were a person in a dress.
This is not the Instagram picture of the actual shooter.
The whole show's content has been based on a 4chan hoax.
And this is just a sad attempt to cover some ass.
And I think that the way that Owen jumps in and is like, no, no, no, we're talking about the Instagram picture.
That reveals knowledge of what you have done.
That to me is so telling of like, oh, wait, we have to come up with an explanation for why what we did wasn't the thing that Andy knows tweet is telling people not to do.
Just because he stopped caring about it and hasn't read anything about the story in a few years doesn't mean that everybody else just is pretending it didn't exist.
Except Steve Buchanek.
He's definitely pretending it didn't exist or happen at all.
In August 2018, the Las Vegas Metro Police Department released a 187-page report covering the investigation into the shooting, and if Owen's so curious about anything, he should go ahead and read that.
The FBI did an investigation as well and determined that they couldn't nail down a specific motive, which is frustrating, but it's not proof of any kind of cover-up.
We heard in the Kit Daniels deposition about how the audience loses interest in stories that are a few days old, and that they have to tailor their coverage to accommodate that.
In order to chase viewers and keep the supplements selling, Infowars moved on from caring about that story, and what Owen is doing here is that he's trying to blame everyone else for their own shallowness and laziness in covering stories.
Like, yeah, you lost the interest in covering this because it wasn't moving the needle, and now you're pretending that...
They just stopped investigating it or covering it.
Alex's response is shit, but the reason that I kept that in and wanted to play it was because I want to stress that when people prey on Infowars, I'm not opposed to praying.
Alex is clearly worried that what he'd been saying this whole show looks bad now that it's become clear that he was identifying the wrong person as the shooter.
All this show has been like, we got pictures of the reported shooter and then straight demonizing trans people.
And now, all of a sudden, Alex doesn't know if anything is real.
He's gone from a sensationalist, bigot propagandist perpetuating a 4chan hoax to someone so skeptical they can't even prove that the person sitting next to them This is pathetic stuff.
He's retreated into a world of like, you have to prove everything.
If they don't have totally controlled rigged elections coming up for the midterms, they're going to have to do something to either curtail people from voting or to just not even have an election.
I mean, we're in crazy...
See, the globalists are predictable in that we know they have these plans up their sleeves.
How they're going to decide what they want to roll out.
Well, I mean, it's like if Alex was the coach of the Bengals, and I was the coach of the Patriots, and I had the Bengals playbook, and Alex had the playbook for like...
Now, the thing that he's describing is essentially, if I were to boil this down into more realistic language, it's, I've come up with a bunch of stuff that I constantly say the globalists are going to do.
And I don't know when they're going to do these things or if they're going to do them, but hey, these are all the things that I have decided my enemies are capable of.
No, he might as well have a whiteboard and just write down random thoughts that he has of things that might be bad, and then just write them up there, and then if he doesn't like it, he'll erase one and be like, these are all the things the globalists do.
So, obviously, the main thing and the main point is that this is a tragedy.
And, you know, obviously...
Whatever condolences are appropriate and very sincerely and heartfelt go out to the families affected and the community of Vivaldi as a whole.
I think that there is a real challenge in terms of talking about this through the lens of Alex Jones, or at least our next episode will be much more difficult because of the conflicting and contradictory statements that have come out and the...
The malleability of what's been put out by the police.