#673: Jordan Takes The Wheel 8
Today, with all the chaos brewing in Alex World, Dan needs until Monday to sort through the weeds. Thankfully, Jordan comes in for the save, with an exploration of chaos magic and ghost-clearing incantations.
April 22, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:37:38
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Quick question. | ||
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What? | |
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is an anti-bright spot. | ||
| It's an anti-bright spot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Cheers and jeers kind of thing when it's a jeers. | ||
|
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Uh-oh. | |
| Coca-Cola Starlight? | ||
| Have you heard of that? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| I think that's what it's called. | ||
| Star Shine? | ||
|
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Star Light? | |
| Yeah, what's it called? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's Coca-Cola Star or something. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| I don't know what this is. | ||
| What is Coca-Cola selling us now? | ||
| I believe it is the Coca-Cola Star Light. | ||
| It's a beverage featuring a red color and a unique, unique taste, quote, inspired by space. | ||
| I mean, that's just mean. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Inspired by space. | ||
| This taste is just... | ||
| It's empty. | ||
| It's cold as hell. | ||
| It's empty and filled with dark matter that you don't even understand. | ||
| It takes your breath away. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Yeah, but that kind of messaging and branding is something I... | ||
| It's impossible for me not to be like, what does space taste like? | ||
| You're absolutely going there. | ||
| But it's not like... | ||
| I'm not interested in what space actually tastes like. | ||
| I'm like, what do you think space tastes like? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| Do you think they went to NASA where they have those moon rocks and had one of their taste testers lick it and they were like, okay, I got this one now. | ||
| If so, I have far more questions about space. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Yeah, because this is, I mean, it's overly sweet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Why don't we send taste testers to space? | |
| That's a great question. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| What does the dust taste like? | ||
| What's it like to taste nothing? | ||
| How many people would love to brag that they've licked the moon? | ||
| I mean, why wouldn't you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no reason not to lick the moon. | ||
| Put that on your CV. | ||
| Then, like, Buzz Armstrong could get into a fight with somebody about, like... | ||
| Whether or not he's licked the moon? | ||
| I bet he hasn't. | ||
| I bet he hasn't. | ||
| I bet he didn't have the guts to take that helmet off. | ||
| So what about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is yesterday I went and got the first session of my wedding ring hand tattoo. | ||
| That's right. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| It's really, really nice. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Unfortunately, the tattoo artist was having some issues. | ||
| You know how I have a tremor? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And sometimes I'll be doing some fine motor work and I'll jerk around and it'll go flying everywhere? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| So, when you're tattooing... | ||
| That hurts a lot more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And especially on your hand. | ||
| So he was having a real bad day. | ||
| Well, yeah, I could see that being tough. | ||
| You don't want to inflict pain on people. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And it's a hand tattoo. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It was intense, but... | ||
| And it's a hand tattoo that involves the underside of your finger. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sort of sensitive area there. | ||
| Have you tried getting a paper cut everywhere? | ||
| I've tried it. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| I've tried it, and I've succeeded. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I'm quite good at this. | ||
| Anyways, it's my bright spot. | ||
| Oh, congratulations. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We have some stuff to talk about, though. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| And before we get into any of that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ah, I think that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, recently I was wondering what that weird tinfoil hat wearer I went to college was up to, so I googled him. | ||
| His name, Rob Dew. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you! | ||
| That was a journey. | ||
| I believe that Rob Dew was a theater major in college, if I recall correctly, so maybe this person was in the theater department. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next, that time I shitted my pants in class was a false flag by the other third graders. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next. | ||
| This is a long one. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Warning. | ||
| The FDA has found that consuming Alex Jones can cause drowsiness, loss of appetite, blurry vision, mood swings, and near-pressible fits of rage. | ||
| Do not operate motor vehicles or use heavy machinery under you-know-how Infowars affects you. | ||
| If you or a loved one loses track of reality, immediately administer a dose of Brain Force Plus and lock them in a separate room for the safety of all involved before calling for emergency assistance. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy walk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Pushing the boundaries. | ||
| That's a real cheers and jeers kind of situation right there. | ||
| That's a Coca-Cola starlight. | ||
| Next, Neil from Blackburn, UK. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Carl Barks, the shepherd of Mendocino. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And choosing virtual Russian as my internet handle in 2005 has turned out to be a terrible decision. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And yeah, yeah. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So, um, well, where do we begin? | ||
| Uh, it's been a busy week. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Weird, chaotic, stressful week. | ||
| It's been a week. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we had planned on Sunday to leave for Austin. | ||
| And we were going to be there for two weeks for the trial. | ||
| Two full weeks. | ||
| And we were going to broadcast like live reporters. | ||
| I was planning to get a hat that I could put a little card in. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It was going to be the best. | ||
| I was definitely going to get an old rotary phone. | ||
| I had already looked up various ice cream places. | ||
| That don't ship to Chicago. | ||
| See, now I was going to enjoy the dreamy, creamy summer. | ||
| Yeah, you were going to get to have a two-week exploration. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But, unfortunately, that trial has been postponed due to Alex's bankruptcy maneuvering. | ||
| He owes me money for flights, which were not cancelable. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, there is a small part of it that that's on you. | ||
| Yeah, no, I know. | ||
| For getting non-refundable tickets. | ||
| I mean, listen. | ||
| What, I'm going to get expensive tickets that you can refund? | ||
| How was I supposed to guess in a situation like this that something surprising would happen that would delay the trial? | ||
| That's just insane. | ||
| Something surprising that also you knew was a possibility. | ||
| From the jump. | ||
| From the jump. | ||
| Yeah, so there was a lot of ins and outs, ups and downs with it throughout the week. | ||
| Like, is this going to happen? | ||
| Is this not going to happen? | ||
| And it was just really... | ||
| Really chaotic, kind of. | ||
| Somewhat demoralizing. | ||
| On some level. | ||
| I mean, it's disappointing that we won't be able to take this trip. | ||
| My birthday's on Sunday, and I was excited to be there with my parents in Austin. | ||
| The whole thing. | ||
| And, you know, so there's a little bit of deflation, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, that might be a better way of putting it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Some of those issues also are, as I mentioned on the last episode, still developing. | ||
| And so we'll see where things land exactly in terms of if and how and when this trial is going to proceed. | ||
| And when we have more information, I assure you all, it'll be wonderful and we'll get into it. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| But for now, Alex needs money. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We do know that. | ||
| We do know that. | ||
| So second thing, there's big news that is broken that people are maybe making more out of than they need to, or maybe not. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| I mean, for one, Alex did talk about, on our last episode, covering his show from Monday, That he was planning to go and make an offer to the FBI. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he doesn't know anything, but he doesn't want to run any risk of getting in trouble, and so he would do it for the deal of immunity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm not certain exactly how much of this is... | ||
| As revelatory as people may be treating it. | ||
| And I think that maybe, obviously, the people who are reporting on it aren't people who necessarily watch Infowars, so they wouldn't have seen that on Monday. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But yeah, I think if it's something that is like Alex's turn state's property, then I don't know how much you'd be talking about that on his show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My general vibe on this, and this is the way I would like things to go if I had my druthers, everything Alex is doing right now, we have to assume the end goal of that is to get more money. | ||
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Or to avoid paying money. | |
| Right. | ||
| It's all about money, is my point at this point in time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the way he makes money is by advancing bigoted politics and eroding public confidence in centralized collaborative systems. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And at this point in time, giving him any attention is only going to be beneficial to him. | ||
| That's my vibe on it. | ||
|
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Well, sort of. | |
| I mean, outside of, you know, us. | ||
| And I think one of the dangers that you run into is that when you overhype something like this and be like, Alex has flipped, he's gonna turn and tell everybody. | ||
| When he doesn't, or if that doesn't happen, then it looks like... | ||
| What were we doing? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Now, I do think that there's a possibility. | ||
| It's a very small possibility. | ||
| Outside possibility. | ||
| That Alex has realized that some of his friends were up to more than he realized initially. | ||
| Sure, that's possible. | ||
| You know, reading some of these indictments of the Oath Keepers and stuff, maybe he's realized, like, I do have texts that are relevant to this, and I didn't realize they were. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I better just make sure I don't get arrested. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| There is a chance. | ||
| I don't think it's high, but I think that there's a chance that that might be. | ||
| And I don't, I wouldn't, maybe that's flipping? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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If he was flipping, it wouldn't be public like this. | |
| So what he's doing now, because it's so public, suggests to me that, one, he doesn't actually have anything to share, so there's no risk in him commenting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's my feeling. | ||
| Yeah, I think that that's a pretty strong possibility. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, we'll see what happens with this. | ||
| I would imagine... | ||
| Just a guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The FBI and the DOJ probably aren't interested in giving him immunity. | ||
| What do they want to give him immunity from for? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like a weird thing for them to humor. | ||
| Not because there's necessarily giant charges coming for him or anything. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Just because, like, no. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Just a flat out no. | ||
| Whatever information you have is worth less than me saying no to you right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, no matter what you've got for me, it's going to be better for me in the long run to say, fuck you. | ||
| And so much of the information that they probably would need from Alex, they have from the other side. | ||
| A million other people, yeah. | ||
| Any messages that he had with Stuart Rhodes are probably available by Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Stuff. | ||
| I don't know if this is as big of a story as some people are experiencing it as. | ||
| But that said, I don't have any inside information. | ||
| I don't know the ins and outs of this. | ||
| I could easily not know a piece of information that isn't public, and that could be the piece of information that changes my mind on everything. | ||
| And so we'll see. | ||
| But for now, there's so many moving parts, and there's... | ||
| A lot going on at InfoWars about how bad they need money, and there's some stuff, but I think it's going to take until Monday for me to really get another episode together. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think we should do anything about Alex. | ||
| I think we should put him on the back burner. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, I don't know how to tell you this, but I... | ||
| I don't have any Project Camelot. | ||
| I don't have Jim Baker. | ||
| I know I've been talking a lot about this Russell Brand thing. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And I think eventually there might be an episode there. | ||
| Maybe a Jimmy Dore episode at some point down the line. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Branching out a tiny bit. | ||
| Dan, I'm going to come to your rescue real quick. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Because here's a question that I have been thinking about for so long. | ||
| And that question is... | ||
| Well, I suppose it's not a question. | ||
| But it's more like... | ||
| Alex rants about the devil and witches, and we get all of his perspective and all of his guests' perspective on that. | ||
| What have we never done? | ||
| We've never interviewed the devil. | ||
| We've not done that? | ||
| We've not had a month of puddings. | ||
| That's also true. | ||
| A year of the pudding. | ||
| Coming soon. | ||
| What I will say to you is this. | ||
| We have not interviewed the devil, but we should talk to someone. | ||
| Who has? | ||
| Somebody's interviewed the devil? | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| Dan, we haven't seen, we haven't heard from witches! | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| We haven't heard from magicians! | ||
| We haven't heard from the magical, powered people what they feel about the devil! | ||
| Well, I mean, maybe not specifically on the devil, but we've definitely heard some people with powers on Project Camelot. | ||
| We have, but not specifically. | ||
| Magic. | ||
| Can I also say that I think that our main subject, Alex Jones, thinks he can do magic? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| And also he has seen the devil. | ||
| So maybe he's actually interviewed the devil too. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| I think we'll find that there are a lot of similarities. | ||
| Joe Rogan has talked to the Clockwork Elves when you do DMT. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But I would say we're about to talk, well... | ||
| Some witches? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| We are going to hear what it is. | ||
| This is an out of context drop for you to give you a little idea of what's going on. | ||
| Alright, great. | ||
| So, and the next question. | ||
| Let's get into the role of the devil and the saints and European magic and witchcraft. | ||
| And do you believe in the devil? | ||
| And if so, are there a lot of them? | ||
| What is the devil? | ||
| What is? | ||
| What is the devil? | ||
| Do you believe in the devil? | ||
| Personally? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No. | ||
| If so, wait. | ||
| That kind of messes up the second part of the question. | ||
| Follow-up is going to be tough. | ||
| Let's undo that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Imagine I do. | ||
| Should you believe in the devil? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Would you believe that there is a bunch of them? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here is what I will say to you about what we're going to talk about. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was just a standalone question? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Because you need to know what's gonna... | ||
| I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen here, okay? | ||
| We are going to talk to Gordon White, who is a chaos magician. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was gonna be Sting. | ||
| No. | ||
| Isn't his name Gordon? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Rex Bear is the host of The Leak Project, and I am a little bit in love with him. | ||
| Dan, I'm going to tell you this right now. | ||
| We are not going to be talking about a monster. | ||
| We're not going to be talking about evil people. | ||
| I have done my best to find us the early days of Project Hamelot. | ||
| Whenever it was just joy. | ||
| When it was just pure beauty. | ||
| When we didn't have to go into somebody's background and have them say, oh, and by the way, I'm an anti-Semite. | ||
| We don't have to do that today, buddy. | ||
| Well, we might. | ||
| Not yet! | ||
| How deep did you dig on these people? | ||
| I dug a little bit, and the craziest part about it is Gordon White is an anti-racist. | ||
| He's a vehement one. | ||
| He's a... | ||
| I mean, I can't say it any other way than his words. | ||
| Gordon White is a chaos magician, shamanic practitioner, and permaculture farmer based in Tasmania. | ||
| His website and podcast, RuneSoup, is one of the most popular digital watering holes in the world of modern magic. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. | |
| He's from Tasmania? | ||
| He is from Tasmania, my friend. | ||
| Has he interviewed the Tasmanian devil? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He might have. | ||
| He might be confused. | ||
| He didn't talk to the actual devil. | ||
| There are some spells that he will tell us about later that do require... | ||
|
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | |
| I don't do good impressions. | ||
| So he is, he continues, a success in many spheres, Gordon has worked for some of the world's largest digital and social media companies. | ||
| In a life that few experience, he has partied with princes, dined in castles, been mentored by a former director of a private spy agency, and had a billionaire knight buy him a bottle of champagne. | ||
| He brings the same chameleon skills to his magical work. | ||
| Gordon has dived in search of sharks in Lost Cities, sat in ceremony under desert stars. | ||
| Can I pause? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why are you looking for sharks in Lost Cities? | ||
| Magic. | ||
| I think in Lost Cities there's more to be found than sharks. | ||
| You can find sharks anywhere. | ||
| I mean, yeah, but not the most magical ones. | ||
| The most magical sharks obviously moved into the Lost Cities. | ||
| And by being in the Lost Cities have gained the magical powers. | ||
| They've learned how to use tools. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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They have a rudimentary language. | |
| Yeah, they've grown opposable fins. | ||
| Alright, he's burying the lead then. | ||
| He's doing a lot of burying the lead. | ||
| Yeah, so he has... | ||
| I mean, his credits are amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's quite a resume. | ||
| It is a resume. | ||
| It doesn't get better than that. | ||
| So, he's like my age. | ||
| And a billionaire knight has bought him a bottle of champagne. | ||
| Have you ever had a billionaire night buy you a bottle of champagne? | ||
|
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Not once. | |
| I have not had... | ||
| I mean, he said it's a life that few experience. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have actually had a billionaire night buy me... | ||
| Well, it wasn't champagne. | ||
| It was just sparkling grape juice. | ||
| So I can't really compete. | ||
| I had a millionaire dick bag buy me a bottle of champagne. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You and I shared it. | ||
| You're close. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| Yeah, it was fine. | ||
| It was all right. | ||
| I wouldn't put it in my credits. | ||
| No. | ||
| So... | ||
| He is being interviewed by Rex Bear. | ||
| And Rex Bear is the host of The Leak Project, which I guess is a podcast and web series. | ||
| It's words. | ||
| The news media and the government are entwined in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, myth-making, and self-interest. | ||
| Journalists need crises to dramatize news, and government officials need to appear to be responding to crises. | ||
| Too often, the crises are not really crises, but joint fabrications. | ||
| The two institutions have become so ensnared in a symbiotic web of lies that the news media are unable to tell the public what is true, and the government is unable to govern. | ||
| There's a kernel of something there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's its credits. | ||
| That's a leak project. | ||
| It's a complaint. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That is how the leak project in About Us writes about the government and not at all about the leak project. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Just from that description, I wouldn't know if this is a show or... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just kind of mad. | ||
| Now, crazily enough, that does not... | ||
| Let's move over to Rex Bear. | ||
| Rex Bear is a delight of a man. | ||
| And he's going to tell us what we're going to talk about today. | ||
| But that also must mean that he's harboring these feelings. | ||
| I mean, he's mad at the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But like how we all are, you know? | ||
| Like, it is fucking up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And if you believe in magic, maybe you think it's fucking up a little bit weirder. | ||
| Yeah, I would assume so. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And I want to get into, real quick, what we're going to talk about. | ||
| We're going to discuss the Grimoire tradition and its relationship to chaos magic, the latest consciousness science, and the return of animism, the role of the devil and the saints in European magic and witchcraft, a chaos magic form of remote viewing, a method of summoning dragons. | ||
| That sounds exciting. | ||
| A Sumerian method of banishing ghosts. | ||
| I need that one. | ||
| A complete system of spirit location. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| And the second part of the podcast, we will be taking questions from the live audience. | ||
| Hey, ghost, get out of here. | ||
| Your ears perked up in that one because you asked the question, why does he need that spell? | ||
| I've been waiting for someone to give me the spell to banish ghosts. | ||
| My house is just full of fucking ghosts. | ||
|
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It's like that show Ghosts. | |
| And you'll see, he's developing a recurring theme there. | ||
| That spell is gonna come back up. | ||
| He is not going to explain to us why he needs it, though. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| It drives me insane. | ||
| There's a couple things that I have to deal with here. | ||
| First, too much on the plate. | ||
| If you have a show, that's too much to get into. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Second, he's pretty... | ||
| I think he's selling it pretty well. | ||
| Like, spell to banish ghosts? | ||
| I could use that. | ||
| Spell to get dragon spirits? | ||
| Ooh, that sounds nice. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's like a morning news. | ||
| That was pretty exciting. | ||
| It would be. | ||
| Also, chaos magic. | ||
| I can't not think of Sonic the Hedgehog. | ||
| The chaos emeralds. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Chaos control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll find that chaos magic is very different from that. | ||
| Does that have to do with sex magic? | ||
| Here's the... | ||
| I mean, I can't really answer so much of that because... | ||
| I've read Gordon White's books, which was a fun thing for me to do. | ||
| And his belief system of what Chaos Magic is is kind of everything's right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, like, in his book about what spells are, this dude is really, really brilliant. | ||
| I don't know if he's brilliant so much as if he has an eidetic memory. | ||
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Like, he's... | |
| Absurdly well-read. | ||
| And he cites things that are 100% true. | ||
| Like, he's a fan of anthropology to the point where if he starts telling you about the history, he can talk for, like, five straight minutes, tell you everything that actually happened, like, that is understood, and then be like, okay, now we know what happened. | ||
| Here's why magic did it, you know? | ||
| And you're like, what? | ||
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What? | |
| Wait, why? | ||
| Why did you do that? | ||
| Maybe someone put a spell on him. | ||
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That's... | |
| That made him think that magic's real. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, we're going to do a couple spells. | ||
| I'll show you some spells. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, here's what's important about this show before we go any further. | ||
| This is the most evil portion of the show. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| The introduction? | ||
| It is an ad. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, real quick, folks, I wanted to let you know, my friends over at Trade Like a Genius... | ||
| We're offering specialist elite project listeners. | ||
| This is just a really great way to learn about trading out of the convenience of your own home. | ||
| And what's nice about this is they'll actually send you trade alerts. | ||
| So I just wanted to show people real quick because I've been getting dozens of emails the past few days. | ||
| Rex, how does this actually work? | ||
| So I'm going to show you real quick what it is because I think it's essentially super easy and a lot of people get nervous about it. | ||
| So it'll take me 10 seconds here. | ||
| I'm going to do a quick screen share. | ||
| This right here. | ||
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Boom. | |
| This is... | ||
| An alert that I get every single day. | ||
| So this is a trading alert that I got about an hour ago. | ||
| You can see right here, I clicked on the alert, and then I open it up in here. | ||
| And this shows you exactly the time to buy. | ||
| And you can also get into more details with the charts. | ||
| If you want to take the bundled opportunities, they're extremely discounted right now. | ||
| And if you want to do all of card options, if you use the code HOLIDAY, let them know Leak Project sent you, you can get a 55% discount. | ||
| So check it out, tradelikeagenius.com, let them know Leak Project sent you. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| Let's rock and roll. | ||
| Let's get into this. | ||
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Gordon, where do we start? | |
| Where do we start? | ||
| Oh, we already started with an ad. | ||
| Now, why, Dan, do you think that a company like Trade Like a Genius would choose a show that might be a lot about wealth magic to put an ad for trading? | ||
| I think it speaks for itself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I assume that Trade Like a Genius isn't necessarily a gigantic company, and maybe this is something that's within their advertising budget? | ||
| I mean, I think they are pretty big. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I didn't look into Trade Like a Genius, but it is what it is. | ||
| It's another one of those wealth trading apps where it's like, okay, according to this signal of a line that goes up, whenever it does this, you should buy, blah, blah, blah, and then in an hour, trade it. | ||
| And it's more of a subscription service, so it's not like they get a cut of your trades. | ||
| It is like you pay them five bucks a month or whatever it is. | ||
| It's one of those kinds of things. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Well, I find it sketchy no matter what, but also the presentation of this ad is far more ethical than the way Alex does it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| These guys really are trying to do things as close to what they believe is the right way as they possibly can. | ||
| Now, they do also have a lot of that wealth magic stuff in there. | ||
| And Gordon White's book... | ||
| The chaos protocols is two things. | ||
| It is like an exhaustive collection of historical spells and magic and an exploration of where they came from and who created them. | ||
| Really, really dense. | ||
| The other thing it is, is a millennial screed against how the government and the economy is fucking us over, and how in the 1960s, certain things were worth this, and now we can't buy houses. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's full-on anarchist socialist. | ||
| We've got to do all this shit. | ||
| You know what I'm thinking about? | ||
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What? | |
| I don't know if I'm making too big of a leap here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it makes sense to me that magicians would not like our current monetary system. | ||
| Because alchemy works with the gold standard. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| You know? | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Actually, let me... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I have this prepared for you. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You don't even fucking know how right you are. | ||
| That was not a big leap. | ||
| Holy shit, I can't wait to read you this. | ||
| I thought that was a stupid thought I had. | ||
| No, no, no, 100% right. | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| This is gonna boggle your mind, okay? | ||
| From the Chaos Protocols. | ||
| Until 1971, the value of the dollar was pegged to a fixed amount of precious metals, just as it was at the beginning of a fractional reserve banking system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When the famous voodooist Marie Laveau and her daughter were alive in the 19th century, a dollar was either made with a guaranteed amount of silver or was convertible. | ||
| True things, right? | ||
| Well, actually, I don't know when this voodooist was around. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| This fixed the value of a dollar into something real. | ||
| Now, this is where we add that. | ||
| So that reasonable, no big deal. | ||
| Now we just go, and here's where magic is involved. | ||
| So if either Laveau Sr. or Jr. had used the customary folk magical practice of putting a dollar under a candle, she would have been growing wealth from a fixed amount. | ||
| If you have tried this same piece of folk magic any time after 1971, then you are doing the opposite. | ||
| In today's money, you need almost $5.78 to buy the equivalent of what a dollar could buy you in 1971. | ||
| Such a magical act encodes an erosion of wealth rather than an accumulation. | ||
| Magic has, uh, like... | ||
| Inflation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's baffling. | ||
| No, I've read that 30 times trying to figure out what it is he's really trying to say to me. | ||
| He's saying that when we went off the gold standard, magic stopped working as well. | ||
| Right, right, because it was concretely connected to these resources. | ||
| And there's a certain logic to that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| If you're a magician. | ||
| I get the thought track. | ||
| I get how this makes sense to someone who has those beliefs. | ||
| Yeah, you came up with it. | ||
| Yeah, well, I was making a joke. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's kind of like how you would make a joke about, like, a libertarian being against roads and so make flying cars. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then someone's like, we actually should have flying cars. | ||
| We gotta make flying cars. | ||
| Because then we don't need roads. | ||
| I know, but it's also a little weird for that to be the gold standard is the issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, all of these roads that the government shouldn't be paying for lead back to the gold standard somehow. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'm going to tell you this about Gordon, in case that little stretch of dense text didn't make it clear. | ||
| He is a talker. | ||
| He's a long-winded talker. | ||
| And Rex gives him, I mean, seven, eight minutes of uninterrupted speech at a time. | ||
| And he cannot stay on topic. | ||
| He rambles about consistently. | ||
| And I can't, like, really explain that to anybody. | ||
| And I'm not going to put you through five minutes. | ||
| So what I've done is I took the next eight-minute stretch of time where he speaks uninterrupted. | ||
| And I've made one of those little time montages for you. | ||
| A little supercut. | ||
| Yeah, a little supercut. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| Gordon, where do we start? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, you held up a number of books there. | ||
| I mean, maybe we should start with what a grimoire is, because it's a really evocative term, right? | ||
| So, I mean, originally, it comes from the French, and it's related to the same root word as we get the word grammar from. | ||
| So it is about words and so on. | ||
| Originally, it meant any book that was written in Latin. | ||
| So that kind of gives you some indication of... | ||
| I've seen Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals described as... | ||
| That's an armoire. | ||
| It's like a collection of tricks of doing things, you know. | ||
| But... | ||
| Inside this term, grimoire, which was only applied much, much later, the sort of idea of books of magic or documents of magic in the European context goes back to evocatory grimoires or grimoires of evocation, of calling up spirits, either demons, angels, whatever it happens to be. | ||
| Now, the top one isn't one of them. | ||
| So that's the sworn book of Honorius. | ||
| And inside the kind of category or the umbrella of grimoires, you have... | ||
| Solomonic grimoires, which is one of the bottom ones you have there. | ||
| And you have other ones that are to do with scholastic or image magic, like the Sworn Book of Honorius. | ||
| So that's like the main one. | ||
| That's the one that everyone knows. | ||
| That's the big daddy. | ||
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temporary psychological modes of of recalling things for for exams and so on they do has like angels and so on in it because the idea was that you would do these certain practices and say these certain prayers and Sure. | |
| you the liberal arts sure the the key of solomon which is the other one it's that was what we call a solomonic grimmer obviously because and the key of solomon is the like most well-known one they pretend to be written by someone potent in history so of course solomon from the bible actually binds demons and uses them or gets them them to build a temple. | ||
| So this idea of calling spirits and getting them to do the bidding of a holy person, or to do the bidding of good, if you will, is why so many books are called Solomonic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I have a few problems, I think. | ||
| Oh, there are so many. | ||
| Well, I don't know about the ethics of enslaving demons. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I understand they're demons. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But what does that do to you to enslave a thing? | ||
| That actually will come up later on. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I don't like how on point I am with this. | ||
| You are essentially thinking like a chaos magician of the highest caliber. | ||
| Maybe I listen to too much stupid shit. | ||
| Maybe it's just that magic and everything that we talk about are essentially the same concept, which is whatever I think is true is true. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that one of the things about magic that's kind of different than some other conspiracy stuff is that there needs to be a system. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| To magic. | ||
| And, you know, like, in order for people to, like, really try and make their argument, there needs to be a system. | ||
| Whereas, like, with conspiracy theories, there is the absence of the system. | ||
| There's the beginning and the conclusion. | ||
| And then the middle is, like, the globalists are doing all this stuff. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| Whereas this, there's no ending. | ||
| There's a beginning and, like, a thought. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| In the middle. | ||
| There's the system. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And I can kind of... | ||
| I can kind of see that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it's still... | ||
| It's long. | ||
| It's long. | ||
| And he just keeps going. | ||
| So Solomon put demons in books and then angels help you remember things? | ||
| Yeah, a lot like that. | ||
| Essentially what he's saying over eight minutes is grimoires are a couple of different things, but generally speaking, we're talking about books. | ||
| That have history or magic spells. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Do I associate that word with Harry Potter? | ||
| You could. | ||
| Grimoire is a famous, you know, Skyrim has grimoires. | ||
| That might be what I'm thinking of. | ||
| Grimoire is a traditional high fantasy magical term for a book. | ||
| I think it's probably Skyrim that I'm thinking of. | ||
| Yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| Now, we heard a lot about Solomon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, now our host Rex Bear, He comes back from this eight-minute stretch where he lets Gordon speak uninterrupted with this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, even the word Solomon, somebody brought up to me once, and I was like, you're right. | ||
| Sol, Sun, O, and then Mon, Solomon, meaning like sun and the moon. | ||
| So that's a, I don't know, it's almost like an archetype name that's bringing the light and the dark together. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| See? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Deep. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I cannot love more that... | ||
| That Gordon went for so long, and the first thing this dude has to come back with is like, somebody told me, like, soul, and then moon? | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Well, I mean, like, isn't moon not moon in most other older languages? | ||
| Isn't, like, loon more of that sort of phonetic stretcher than sun? | ||
| I guess soul you could get, you know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I don't buy it. | ||
| I mean, it's more... | ||
| This level of thinking from him is more like if you were like Solomon, you know, Solo, and then Mon from, like, Pokemon. | ||
| So it's like one Pokemon. | ||
| It's that level of shit right there. | ||
| I think that a lot of the folks that we end up looking at do, like, word association games. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I can relate. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| That's what a lot of comedy is, quite frankly. | ||
| Yeah, you're not far off. | ||
| Just making little connections that aren't really there, but people go, ah! | ||
| That's why it works sometimes, and sometimes it's all flat. | ||
| So you can see that we're clearly dealing with a disparity of expertise between our host and our guest here. | ||
| Whimsy on one hand, loquaciousness on the other. | ||
| It is kind of delightful. | ||
| It doesn't get worse, their relationship. | ||
| It just gets nicer. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I think you even told me this once when I discussed how I read some passages out of the Book of the Dead and it spooked me out. | ||
| I had that real freaky dream and some weird things started happening. | ||
| I quit messing with it. | ||
| Was it you that said, well, that's because you're messing with some of the most powerful magic in the world? | ||
| It might have been. | ||
| It might have been me. | ||
| It was absolutely not him. | ||
| The Tibetan Book of the Dead? | ||
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Yep. | |
| We talk about the Tibetan Book of Dead as well as the Egyptian Book of the Dead. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And how they're different. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And yet, this is an important part of chaos magic. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| They are both 100% accurate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Even if they disagree with each other, they're still right. | ||
| This is another thing about magic. | ||
| Everything is right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty tough to wrestle with. | ||
| Real tough to swallow. | ||
| So the other thing, too, that I enjoy... | ||
| Is I had some freaky dreams around the time of this messing with the Tibetan Book of the Dead. | ||
| And like, come on, man. | ||
| Did you have too much ice cream before bed? | ||
| Or like, is there another variable? | ||
| He's got a lot of freaky dreams. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I've had freaky dreams. | ||
| I have a copy of the Book of the Dead somewhere. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| It's not affected my dreams. | ||
| It really doesn't. | ||
| No. | ||
| But that's kind of how Gordon treats this whole thing, is anything that Rex comes back at him with, he's like, yeah, that sounds right, that sounds good, and then he just keeps going. | ||
| Like, I don't think he heard a word Rex said the entire time. | ||
| I think that there's a necessity of collaboration and mutual support in talking about magic more than there is in improv. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| If you start to split hairs and be like... | ||
| It's all over. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's all over. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| One time you ruin the premise, the whole interview stops, everybody just goes, what? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Right, because conceivably, if magic were real, you'd be able to cast a spell and prove you're right. | ||
| The point being, yes. | ||
| Unfortunately, we do not cast any spells on the show. | ||
| Because we'd be messing around with too much power, Dale. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| That's the kind of thing where it's like, I could prove you wrong, but I can't talk about the thing that I know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have all the evidence, but I can't show it to you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So, our boy, Rexbear, continues. | ||
| I mean, I can't even describe some of what he's doing here. | ||
| He's a delight. | ||
| Some funny things can happen if you just mess around with it. | ||
| And I'm not saying not to do it. | ||
| I'm saying it's potent. | ||
| Things will happen. | ||
| Well, certainly, I've had my fun. | ||
| And I just read a few of the scriptures. | ||
| Anyway, yeah, like the one giving mouth. | ||
| That was an interesting hieroglyphic set. | ||
| I don't know if anybody did. | ||
| We were having a little bit of fun in that one. | ||
| But hey, why not? | ||
| I mean, it's your time to pass. | ||
| Anyway, I'm not going to get too deep into that. | ||
| You probably know what I'm talking about in that one. | ||
| Yeah, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| It looks like the pharaoh is getting some action during that certain ritual, which is very interesting because he's already in the coffin. | ||
| He's already in the sarcophagus. | ||
| But then somebody brought up, it was like, hey man, that's like the most powerful time in your life right there when you're passing to the other side. | ||
| Wait, he's getting fucked in a coffin? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And somebody's response is like, man, that's the most powerful time in your life when you're dead. | ||
| You don't have to be dead to be in a coffin. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This just sounds like dudes talking about drugs. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Like, hey, I'm not saying don't mess with it, but it's potent. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Look out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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This shit will fuck you up. | |
| I've had so many people tell me that about things like, hey man, look, I know that you smoked weed before, but this stuff is, it'll mess you up. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| I'm not saying don't. | ||
| I'm not saying don't. | ||
| Just be responsible. | ||
| Just know what you're getting into. | ||
| If you start fucking with magic, it's not going to stop fucking with you. | ||
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Right. | |
| Everybody would say that about mushrooms back when we were like 17, 18. Yeah, that's when he says like, I know I've had my fun, where you're like, with what? | ||
| What? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| He's got fucked in a coffin. | ||
| I know! | ||
| He insinuates that he has done so much magic and he has so many problems and he's never, he does not. | ||
| It explained it whatsoever. | ||
| Maybe having all this fun and fucking in coffins is how all the ghosts showed up in his house. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, Dan, here is where we're going to get into some real trouble. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You continue to be a witch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is funny on this episode, because once again, you have brought out... | ||
| Drugs being very important. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to tell you, and you've gotten one of the answers right, but I wanted to look into some chaos magic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Gordon explains that there are three effective ways to become invincible. | ||
| Okay, before we get to this, can I ask you, how is chaos spelled? | ||
| Regular. | ||
| C-H-A-O-S. | ||
| Yeah, it would have been more arcane if he went with a K. I thought there might be something weird in there. | ||
| Yeah, it would have been nice. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do I have to guess? | ||
| You can try. | ||
| You've already got one. | ||
| Drugs? | ||
| One is drugs. | ||
| That makes you invincible? | ||
| That's the best way to do it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's the most effective way. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| I would say that this is a bad message to send. | ||
| I am totally fine with people messing around with drugs responsibly. | ||
| I would never say it makes you invincible. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| He says, specifically, the most effective route to becoming invincible is to take a high dose of psychedelics in a suitable ritual environment. | ||
| So he does want you to be safe. | ||
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I think it could make you feel invincible. | |
| I think that's kind of the point. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Doesn't make you invincible. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let me guess. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sacrifice of another human. | ||
| No! | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Animal? | ||
| No. | ||
| Drinking blood? | ||
| No sacrifices. | ||
| Sacrifices are a historical thing. | ||
| So there's nothing macabre, then, really? | ||
| Trying not to be. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is booze included with a drink? | ||
| I think he's actually anti-booze. | ||
| He's one of those guys. | ||
| It's tough to do magic when you're falling over. | ||
| I'll tell you the second most effective. | ||
| Lighting a candle and reciting the Lord's Prayer backwards every night for three nights. | ||
| I was not going to guess that. | ||
| That was the second most effective, Dan. | ||
| So it's high dose of psychedelics and then maybe just light a candle for three nights. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then, of course, the third. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| I think I know this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think I know this. | ||
| You have to run really fast for three blocks and then do six push-ups. | ||
| Getting close. | ||
| Get up. | ||
| Climb to the top of a roof. | ||
| Run around the top of the building. | ||
| Eat two eggs. | ||
| Two eggs. | ||
| Two eggs. | ||
| Can't be one egg. | ||
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Raw. | |
| Raw! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| And then jump off the roof. | ||
| Well, obviously. | ||
| I feel like that would make you invincible. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The third most effective way is the preliminary invocation or headless right. | ||
| You have to chop your head off? | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But you are summoning the holy guardian angel. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let me give you a little bit of idea of what the headless right is. | ||
| There are detailed instructions here. | ||
| Face north, touch your left temple and then your right temple with the parchment, and read aloud what is written on it six times. | ||
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Eoth, ebraoth, basim, Isaac, sebaoth, la'o! | |
| Six times. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not going to do it six times because I don't want us to get accidentally invincible. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Do you want to accidentally become invincible? | ||
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No. | |
| Then say, subject to me all daemons so that every daemon, which is not spelled like demon, so that every daemon, whether heavenly or aerial or earthly or subterranean or terrestrial or aquatic, might be obedient to me and every enchantment and scourge which is from God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It goes on. | ||
| Move from facing north to facing the direction of Orion and continue. | ||
| I summon you, headless one, who created earth and heaven, who created night and day, you created the light and darkness, and you are oh so run. | ||
| It continues. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Several pages on. | ||
| This is quite a ritual. | ||
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I invoke you with all power and I pray to you with the authority of the one who spoke truth and who hath made it. | |
| So you see, it's a long ritual. | ||
| Yeah, this is a problem for me for a couple reasons. | ||
| Here's the first one. | ||
| What does that mean to be invincible? | ||
| Does that mean you can't be killed? | ||
| Does that mean you can't be harmed in any way? | ||
| It is the least explained part of his book. | ||
| Second. | ||
| If that might be a help to you. | ||
| Second question. | ||
| What do you think being invincible is, I think, is a really important question for what you think you got out of this. | ||
| I think that's the only way to know if you were successful or not. | ||
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Right. | |
| Second question, how long does this invincibility last? | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Forever. | |
| Really? | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alright. | ||
| I mean, you've got the book right here. | ||
| I can email it to you. | ||
| Well, I would say that this has not worked ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we don't have a bunch of invincible people walking around. | ||
| Actually... | ||
| I can't prove that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where the magician always wins. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was thinking if this was like a shorter term invincibility spell, it really wouldn't be helpful if it's six pages long. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Because you'd only really want to use that spell if you need it fairly soon. | ||
| Well, I mean, one of them takes three nights. | ||
| You know, you can't just whip that one out with your old-fashioned grimoire. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| And the other one is like doing ayahuasca. | ||
| And the other one is doing a shit ton of drugs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which you can do in a hurry. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's harder to do drugs really quick in a safe environment. | ||
| Yes, that is true. | ||
| That's more of a challenge. | ||
| Okay, so now we want to get into some comparing with Alex, right? | ||
| Because we're talking about the devil. | ||
| We also need to talk about the afterlife. | ||
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Right. | |
| We need to talk about... | ||
| Well, go ahead. | ||
| Compare notes. | ||
| It might be a fraught passage between death and the afterlife. | ||
| And the whole point of the Books of the Dead, so the New Kingdom versions of it, was this idea that when you die, the passage to the good parts of the afterlife, you have to kind of navigate. | ||
| And it's not just the judgment scene. | ||
| It's not just the weighing of the heart. | ||
| There's like... | ||
| The swamps you have to get through that are filled with snakes and all this kind of thing. | ||
| So the movement of the soul from the body to the good parts of the afterlife requires not just foreknowledge of what's going to happen, hence their training and so on, but also that it doesn't necessarily follow that just because you're dead you get whisked into the good place. | ||
| You have to sort of get there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Alex believes that when you die, if you did good, You can go to heaven, right? | ||
| Right, but a lot of theologians believe you just sit with a harp and that's not true. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So, he kind of agrees with him, right? | ||
| In order to get to heaven, you have to die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then crawl through a swamp with snakes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have some questions about that. | ||
| What questions could you possibly have about that? | ||
| Are these living snakes? | ||
| Are they, like, real snakes? | ||
| I think they have to be living snakes. | ||
| Well, in that case, the swamp has to have, like, an ecosystem. | ||
| Because then the swamps need things to eat. | ||
| They reproduce. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Then there could be, like, ecological changes that happen. | ||
| And then the snakes are, like, they have to migrate. | ||
| Is there afterlife climate change? | ||
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Is that what you're saying? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It has to be a climate if... | ||
| What if there's an invasive species that starts... | ||
| And maybe it's nicer to people. | ||
| So the snakes don't even bite them anymore. | ||
| The snakes are all gone. | ||
| And it's just a bunch of rabbits. | ||
| Then are you going to need to artificially bring in more snakes? | ||
| Obviously you will. | ||
| It's a complex system. | ||
| It's like a golf course trying to get to heaven. | ||
| I feel like you could just much more easily have fake snakes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Sneaky fake snakes. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So... | ||
| Now let's get into some fun. | ||
| We've got to talk about ghosts. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It is a storehouse for all the things that are unpredictable and may oppose us. | ||
| And so there's a woman, she's been on the show as well, Corinne Boyer. | ||
| She's an American herbalist. | ||
| She has a book called Plants of the Devil. | ||
| And it's looking at plants that are in European witchcraft traditions that are associated with the devil. | ||
| And she calls it the wild adversary. | ||
| And that's a really good way of understanding what the devil is. | ||
| The devil is adversarial, because that makes the devil a really bad weather event. | ||
| It makes the devil all these kind of adversarial things as well, and untamed. | ||
| And so it's this category that refuses to be categorized. | ||
| So, this is what it's like. | ||
| To get to, we need to talk about ghosts with this guy. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| The words immediately before this are like, okay, what do you think about ghosts? | ||
| And so he's like, okay, first thing you gotta know, here's what the devil is. | ||
| This herbalist believes that the devil is the natural adversary. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And now we move... | ||
| But also, I don't think that when you say natural adversary, it evokes the idea of weather to me. | ||
| Because I've never seen a storm and been like, that's my enemy. | ||
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The enemy. | |
| The enemy of my... | ||
| What's the enemy of my enemy in the storm situation? | ||
| I don't have an adversarial relationship with weather. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But... | ||
| And I don't feel it does with me either. | ||
| But, if you believe that everything is some sort of force or action or spirit... | ||
| Conscious spirit. | ||
| Then the devil to you... | ||
| In this situation, is really whatever you think it is. | ||
| It is the idea of an adversary, is what the devil is. | ||
| So whatever you think you're doing, if somebody's trying to stop you, that's the devil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can kind of get into that a tiny bit, as long as you don't go too far with that thinking. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, there's a lot of this that's just like... | ||
| Regular old self-help stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you're like, but also you hold a crystal or something. | ||
| As long as you can stay sort of self-aware of what you're using these ideas for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's necessarily terrible to be like, my laziness is the devil. | ||
| No, exactly. | ||
| No, and it is kind of... | ||
| That is kind of what Gordon White is trying to do in, I think, what his main goal is, right? | ||
| He's trying to create a system wherein you can be a good person, you know? | ||
| You can care about other people. | ||
| You can do all of this other stuff. | ||
| You can fight racism. | ||
| He's a gay man, and what's so important to him is the way that the LGBTQ community is being treated right now. | ||
| Like, he's furious about all this stuff. | ||
| Beyond that, I don't know, he might be a monster. | ||
| I mean, he's a COVID denialist, but he's a magician, so what are you gonna do? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Derms can't be real if you're a magician. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| If you're a magician, you can't be like, oh, viruses are scary. | ||
| You know, what are you gonna do? | ||
| Because you don't have any spells to deal with. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| There's no spell. | ||
| In 1971, viruses were worth $5.38 more than they are today. | ||
| So he's trying to create a unified, if everything is true, magic, religion, all of this stuff, then we can stop fighting about it all the time. | ||
| If I can tell you that Islamic beliefs are 100% true, and that Islamic magical beliefs are 100% true, and that... | ||
| God and Christianity and everything. | ||
| And everything has something that he pulls from. | ||
| So his basic idea, and let me try and take you through his thought process here, okay? | ||
| If you just look at the least likely stuff, then you'll be a skeptic towards magic. | ||
| You know, you're like, okay, you didn't actually perform that miracle. | ||
| I think I could be skeptical about the most likely stuff. | ||
| If you are the person who doesn't want to be skeptical at all, and you want to be the smartest person in the room who always wins every argument, then what you do is you seek out the most likely, like the most credible... | ||
| magical thing that you can think of. | ||
| A magical thing that is so credible that it can get a lot of people who would otherwise be like, no, of course it's not a miracle. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| It's got to be ancient, right? | ||
| Then you can get into arguments with other people who already believe magic and be the smartest guy in the room. | ||
| And since you've got these concrete examples that to you prove magic is real, then you can work back out again. | ||
| Because if magic is real on this most credible example, then now I can point you to that miracle that is obviously bullshit and you'll be more likely to believe it because you already got... | ||
| Because I've eroded your... | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| That is what's going on here. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| So he hits you with so much that eventually your ability to fight back is eroded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of the reasons you should just avoid conversations like this. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he keeps going, though. | ||
| Now, speaking of that, do you feel that the ancient Egyptians, let's go before some of the modern pharaohs that we've uncovered, that they've done an incredible job with preserving their bodies, but... | ||
| It seems to me like they were mimicking something even before then, maybe a scientific aspect that turned into a magical ritual versus, you know, magic and science can be the same thing, but real magic works, whereas there's the suedo magic, which just gives you that good feeling, oh yeah, that's amazing, but it doesn't really have that effect. | ||
| So I'm just wondering if, do you think that there was an original race or a race of beings, whether or not from here or somewhere else, but were here on this planet at this specific time, ancient Egyptian, That we're using their bodies and preserving it in a way that they could go into a different dimension, like when we pass, and then bring that knowledge back? | ||
| What do you think the purpose of it was, to go through time and space? | ||
| Super interesting question. | ||
| It's an interesting question. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| My favorite part, and you heard him give a little swerve to that time and space. | ||
| On the video, he does a little... | ||
| Time and space movement. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Like he's waving his hands about like, ooh, time and space. | ||
| Very, very fun. | ||
| I don't know what to think about the question. | ||
| I don't know if I care. | ||
| Do you not think that magic and science can be the same thing, Dan? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, you are... | ||
| You know why? | ||
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Why? | |
| Because that ritual involves putting a parchment up to the temples of your head and chanting something six times. | ||
| Did you do it? | ||
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No. | |
| Well, then that's not very scientific, is it, Dan? | ||
| You have to test the hypothesis. | ||
| I think a lot of people have, and they're not invincible. | ||
| So maybe those are our test cases. | ||
| I'll be the control group on this one. | ||
| I won't do the spell and see if I'm invincible. | ||
| So far, so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so with this next clip... | ||
| He is going to explain a little bit of how summoning spirits and all that works. | ||
| And our host is going to really enjoy it. | ||
| It's going to blow his mind. | ||
| But it's also not. | ||
| It's also like the oldest thing we've ever done. | ||
| It's probably 100,000 years old because shamans are appointed to not have dominion over spirits, but to be the thing that gets spirits to do the things humans want, more often than not. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, I had some syncs there, some matrix syncs, and some mind expansion. | ||
| That was wonderful. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| And I also wanted to ask you this then. | ||
| So we brought up the bird people, and they are oftentimes referred to as the AGG. | ||
| So you didn't tell me that earlier they'd brought up the bird people. | ||
| They really hadn't brought up the bird people. | ||
| Maybe it was off air. | ||
| It was more of like, I mean... | ||
| They didn't bring up the bird people. | ||
| In that conversation where we saw the pharaoh getting a blowjob in the coffin, he then says, and we've also seen these hieroglyphics that are like bird people. | ||
| So, I mean, beyond him saying, there's a picture of a bird. | ||
| There's also the Ruto, right, in Legend of Zelda? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a Garuda. | ||
| Garuda from Final Fantasy VII? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, there's some bird people. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Big bird. | ||
| We're going to talk more about birds. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're going to talk more about bird people. | ||
| What's a sink in the Matrix? | ||
| So a sink in the Matrix, what he's trying to say is, I'm pretty sure that he's trying to talk about four-dimensional space. | ||
| You know how if you've got a planet, it's a sink. | ||
| It's a gravity sink. | ||
| So he's trying to do that for reality. | ||
| He got sunk down into reality, man, in a way that is more powerful. | ||
| And so he was sort of out of the conversation for a second? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And then he went... | ||
| He does that a lot. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| So yeah, so Gordon's rolling now. | ||
| Gordon's getting into it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then why am I listening to anthropologists whose job it is to know this if they don't know it and I do? | ||
| Do you get what? | ||
| Anyway, it's just a buzz there I have. | ||
| Do you think because of them funding them, though? | ||
| Like you said, maybe it's like behind the scenes, people funding them. | ||
| I think what happens, there's so little money and so much competition for these jobs and these funding that if you don't find the proverbial sunken city, your career is over. | ||
| So he's talking about how in Indonesia... | ||
| They found hieroglyphics that he thinks are older than the oldest ones that people say publicly. | ||
| And then there is also hieroglyphics in Australia. | ||
| Oh my. | ||
| So he thinks that people are stupid for not knowing that these Australian hieroglyphics might be a little bit older. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then he goes on to be like, see the problem with journalism, right, is that you always have to find the most something. | ||
| You always have to make it so big and everything. | ||
| No self-awareness in terms of reading this fucking book about how everything is the most powerful shit you can do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, he's just trying to get some headlines. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's chasing the very thing that he thinks is, and in order to get published, for him, he has to make inflammatory... | ||
| To me, it sounded like he was complaining about, like, archaeology. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| About, like, if you don't find the sunken city, then you don't have a job. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I would say to him, that is not true. | ||
| There are all sorts of archaeology departments around the world. | ||
| Not just like, we better fucking find the sunken city. | ||
| They're gonna close down. | ||
| We have two weeks to find the sunken city. | ||
| The dean is up my ass. | ||
| We haven't found this fucking sunken city yet. | ||
| I agree that finding the sunken city, whatever that means, would be a big find. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No one's expected to find Atlantis or else their funding dries up. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Except maybe in some kind of like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If it's a quest being done by magicians, it's privately funded. | ||
| Well, you do have to find the eight seals in order to progress to the next level. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And he continues. | ||
| He's got more complaints about mainstream stuff, you know? | ||
| So it doesn't matter what you find. | ||
| It has to be like oldest painting in the world. | ||
| And then if you read the actual text of it, it's not correct. | ||
| And there's a get out where they don't actually say it's the oldest, but amongst the oldest or whatever. | ||
| And it's all just shit science journalism because no one understands science less than a science journalist. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I understand science less than a science journalist. | ||
| You don't understand it less than a chaos magician, though. | ||
| I mean, depends on the chaos magician, probably. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| I mean, I guess if his argument is that headlines are sensationalized, sure. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so fun how mundane it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, oh man, I'm so powerful. | ||
| I'm such a powerful magician. | ||
| I can become invincible. | ||
| Science journalists don't know science right. | ||
| Well, I actually gotta loop back to this invincibility thing. | ||
| Yeah, what's wrong with it? | ||
| Well, nothing, actually. | ||
| But I think that the implication is that anybody who knows these ways to become invincible must have taken the time to get invincible. | ||
| Well, you would think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, if you know the invincibility spell, I should be free to attack you. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Yeah, because you're invincible. | ||
| Now, here's the problem with that, though, okay? | ||
| What if I don't want to mess with magic? | ||
| All right, we're talking about demons, daemons, spirits, gods, which is fun. | ||
| I also kind of like his angle on so much of this. | ||
| This dude is like, again, everything is real. | ||
| So he believes in God. | ||
| He believes in Allah. | ||
| He believes in jinns for sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he doesn't have this like, oh, you need to worship God. | ||
| It's more like... | ||
| Yeah, God's an old buddy of mine. | ||
| If I call him, he'll help me get my car out of the snow. | ||
| Like, that's the kind of relationship you have with God in this scenario. | ||
| Which I think Alex would find similar. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, but also probably disrespectful. | ||
| Yeah, but he says it. | ||
| True. | ||
| He's like, I've met God. | ||
| I've gone beyond him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, he's... | ||
| Proven that science journalists are full of shit, right? | ||
| Well, he's alleged it. | ||
| Yeah, but now, here he's going to prove some more stuff. | ||
| My main concern with alternate history in general is that it looks at this stuff and then, for no reason, will fall back on a falsified materialist explanation. | ||
| So we have bird-headed people in Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| We have a 44,000-year-old male, as you say, bird-headed humanoid in Kaiva. | ||
| We have Garuda. | ||
| So we have in Hindu cosmology, we actually have eagle-headed man just next door to Indonesia. | ||
| And that's before we get the whole way over to the Americas, where once again we find that motif. | ||
| And by the way, this is the whole point of Starship as a book, right? | ||
| We actually have the genetic markers to be able to trace the population movement through time. | ||
| Down the southern coast of Asia, into where Indonesia is, and up and around and across into the Americas. | ||
| So we're dealing with the same cultures, and we have the same motif showing up. | ||
| So that's sufficient. | ||
| See? | ||
| It suffices. | ||
| That's sufficient. | ||
| He's tracked with the genetic flow of the bird people? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So the problem with too many materialists, right, is that they fall back on falsifiable science. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Right? | ||
| As opposed to magic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Cool. | ||
| Now you've got it. | ||
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Cool. | |
| That is our issue. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Our problem with materialism is that you should be explaining it with magic or the materialism that I have chosen, such as genetic markers. | ||
| Yeah, man, look, sure, materialism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Evidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nothing compared to, I say some things and then I feel weird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| All right. | ||
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So... | |
| Let's hear... | ||
| We're gonna hear about an old friend of ours, actually. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, we're gonna get in some bird beings. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Bird-headed beings in the imaginal or spirit world are attested everywhere, and all of a sudden... | ||
| I gotta stop it right there. | ||
| Imaginal? | ||
| We're calling that imaginary. | ||
| We're calling it imaginal. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Imaginary. | ||
| Physical and imaginal. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Not imaginary, because that makes it sound like they're not real. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They're in the imagined space, Dan. | ||
| Imaginary. | ||
| The whole thing falls into place without you having to... | ||
| The classic example is Egypt. | ||
| Landspeeders and helicopters and all these things they definitely didn't have. | ||
| Because you can look at the anomalies in history and they're definitely there. | ||
| But if you just land only on a materialist explanation for them, you end up with Zechariah Sitchin, nuclear-powered rocket ships and all the rest of it. | ||
| You don't need to. | ||
| Materialism is wrong. | ||
| The spirit world is... | ||
| However you define it, it is a... | ||
| It is some kind of real. | ||
| And so if you see this bird-headed motif everywhere, what I can tell you definitively is that that idea is at least 40,000 years old, because that's as far back as you have to go to get all these cultures to effectively be in one place. | ||
| And at that point, you ask the question, well, what is it then? | ||
| Does it need to be? | ||
| Does it need to be a physical Birdman, or can that be a spirit or some kind of entity or something that they encounter on drugs, in dreams, while doing shamanic journeying? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| And that, I think, is better. | ||
| I obviously have a preference for that, but I think that's a more satisfying way of taking the anomalies and the exciting and unusual things about history a bit more seriously without having to... | ||
| Make statements for which there isn't a huge amount of evidence. | ||
| Like, we haven't found any, and I'd be surprised if we did, but we haven't found any skeletons of bird men, right? | ||
| True. | ||
| At least that we know about. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But yeah, like you said, there's no public knowledge of bird skeletons. | ||
| So until there is, we've got to keep questioning. | ||
| We've got to keep searching. | ||
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And the important thing is, it's... | |
| So there could be private knowledge of bird skeletons. | ||
| I love that form of just like... | ||
| It's optimism, man. | ||
| See, listen, we don't need to go around explaining things like Zachariah Sitchin with motor cars or bird skeleton beings or whatever. | ||
| And his response is like, not yet, but if we keep looking, I bet there are. | ||
| I like the idea that the criticism of Zachariah Sitchin is he's too materialist. | ||
| No! | ||
| It's a bizarre notion. | ||
| But also, yeah, if I were this guy, that's exactly the route I would take. | ||
| Yeah, they got high and saw demons or spirits or whatever. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Great loophole, great cop-out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because then, I mean, I guess you could just say, like, okay, so all these cultures also have flood motifs in stories that they had. | ||
| Everybody tripped balls and thought about floods. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We can explain all of history and everything through folklore. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| Through just people got really high and saw stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it is kind of... | ||
| I find it very silly to me to think that bird-headed beings only go far... | ||
| In the imaginary sense, only go as far back as however long. | ||
| 40,000 years? | ||
| The first time that a bird-headed being was imagined was the first few... | ||
| People that were alive were like, oh man, wouldn't it be weird if you had a bird head? | ||
| Like, that was it. | ||
| Like, that's how humans work. | ||
| Especially if they were getting high. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And they definitely found a way. | ||
| If animals can get high. | ||
| Also, there's probably, you know, I think bird-headed people is kind of a pretty easy jump to make. | ||
| Because you're thinking about like, oh, birds can fly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wouldn't it be fun to fly? | ||
| Wouldn't it be fun to fly? | ||
| There's probably a person with a bird head. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
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Boom. | |
| It's not a far jump to get to bird-headed beings. | ||
| Especially if you're an early artist painting stuff. | ||
| Totally! | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| Okay, so now let's get past all of our fun little openings because we're here to talk about the devil. | ||
| Oh, I forgot about the devil. | ||
| We're talking about the devil. | ||
| So what is the devil? | ||
| It's pronounced devil. | ||
| Devil? | ||
| Do you believe in the devil? | ||
| And if so, are there a lot of them? | ||
| What is the devil? | ||
| So, I mean, this is... | ||
| A huge area, as well as the Grimoire course, there's also a Saints and Saints magic course, because the premium members vote on one each quarter, and we do that. | ||
| And I actually gave a talk at the beginning of this year on the devil in general, in particular from a magical perspective. | ||
| The devil is a bunch of stuff. | ||
| Devil's a bunch of stuff. | ||
| Devil's a bunch of stuff. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That kind of hurts the definite article the being in front of it, but... | ||
| Okay, I'm listening. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's kind of where we're going and where we're coming from with everything. | ||
| Anything that is, is probably a bunch of stuff. | ||
| And the operating principle is... | ||
| Short story long. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Also, avoid being too specific. | ||
| Oh, you don't want to be too specific. | ||
| No. | ||
| Listen, the devil's this, but the devil's also this, and the devil's this. | ||
| Specificity is for the materialist. | ||
| That's the problem with the materialist. | ||
| They keep wanting those evidentiary things. | ||
| So let's keep... | ||
| We need to hear more about the devil. | ||
| What is the devil, Dan? | ||
| Devil. | ||
| You have to think of it. | ||
| And I have this hypothetical Portuguese grandmother from... | ||
| The 14th century. | ||
| Pretend you are this and your daughter is going to marry the feckless son of the blacksmith and you think she should marry the son of the traitor and have a much better life. | ||
| You have to understand that if you're this semi-literate Catholic woman, and by semi-literate, probably illiterate, the devil is the lord of the earth. | ||
| The devil is set by God to rule the earth. | ||
| Yes, you aren't supposed to worship the devil, but because the devil exists in your Catholic frame and is literally the Lord of the earth, the devil offers Jesus the whole world. | ||
| And he's set by God to rule this earth. | ||
| That means if you have earthly concerns, you take them to the devil. | ||
| And so on a Sunday, you might go to mass and then you might leave your family and toddle off into the woods and do some sort of... | ||
| Offering to the devil to kill the feckless blacksmith's son or to have his interests in your granddaughter diminish. | ||
| I mean, those are very different options. | ||
| What a huge drop-off. | ||
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Kill the guy or just be less interested. | |
| Yeah, there really were only those two options back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, I think also there's something in the Bible about God being a jealous God. | ||
| He's pretty jealous. | ||
| You know, I don't know if he'd be super thrilled if you go into the woods. | ||
| Nah, you tunnel off into the woods. | ||
| Doing some rituals. | ||
| You do a little offering. | ||
| So you can kill this guy who wants to marry your daughter, or your daughter wants to marry. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| We need to make sure that this, for some reason, Portuguese grandma, who, don't ask me why, but you understand what the devil is now, obviously. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's sort of a mid-level administrator for earthly issues. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, well, I mean, maybe he's not. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So what you do have at the top is a sort of unholy triumvirate of Lucifer, Beelzebub, and Satan. | ||
| And these aren't necessarily summoned at all, really, in main Solomonic grimoires. | ||
| But those names are used because they're the kings of the underworld. | ||
| Those names are used to, so you sort of summon lesser spirits in the name of that triumvirate or one spirit in particular. | ||
| It depends on the book, but they'll have different, they might be categorized under one of these three different sort of like rulers. | ||
| With Lucifer at the top, because Lucifer is the king of spirits, right? | ||
| And so the idea of the devil is this storehouse. | ||
| The devil you find more in folk magic, but you find more Lucifer in... | ||
| The grimoires, even though no one in the grimoires is worshipping Lucifer, and no one's really, up until you get to the later period from about the late 18th, 19th century, no one is summoning it either. | ||
| So you got all the different names for the devil are all different things? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Lucifer, Beelzebub. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Satan. | ||
| So what is the devil? | ||
| Old Scratch. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| He's a different guy. | ||
| He summons different people for you. | ||
| So if you get this correctly... | ||
| I don't know if I get this correctly. | ||
| Lay it out for me. | ||
| You call one of the spirits, or all of them, One or all. | ||
| So I'm gonna call Beelzebub. | ||
| Call Beelzebub. | ||
| Now, you're not actually gonna call Beelzebub. | ||
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No. | |
| He's too powerful for you. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You don't got shit for Beelzebub. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But... | ||
| I will call Zelototh. | ||
| Well, no, you can't do that yet. | ||
| You gotta call Beelzebub first. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Because he's the one who has enough power to call the lesser spirits. | ||
| So he sort of needs to sign off on it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like a 911 dispatch. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Like, that's what we're going for here. | ||
| Hello, Beelzebub here. | ||
| What do you need this time? | ||
| Could you send a spirit over, please? | ||
| Yeah, so the devil is everything. | ||
| And also, one thing. | ||
| But also a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| And he's three things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he's not really any of those, and you can't even call him. | ||
| Well, you can't call him. | ||
| Well, you could, but he won't come. | ||
| No. | ||
| So you clearly understand the devil now, right? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess I could just make up anything, and that's probably what the explanation is. | ||
| I mean, pretty much. | ||
| But you can't do it to him, because he knows more than you. | ||
| The devil? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Gordon. | ||
| But he is the devil. | ||
| Yeah, well. | ||
| But maybe he's not. | ||
| Maybe he's not. | ||
| Yeah, so this is where it gets really, really good and things start to go absolutely wild. | ||
| Because if you look at the implications of after-death research, about a third of souls, particularly now, and I actually say the number is increasing. | ||
| About a third of spirits appear to hang around or not manage to find it in the kind of classic move towards the light sense. | ||
| Seems like about a third of them don't. | ||
| And I would argue, and this is just a guess slash hot take, that that number is increasing because we die in such a secular way where we're not sure if that's actually... | ||
| The thing that happens, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So for so much of this entire interview, he has been basing all of this stuff on historical books. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, magic books, everything that is fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then all of a sudden he's just like, you know what? | ||
| Scientifically speaking. | ||
| After-death research. | ||
| Based on all the after-death research we've done. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was a study from Johns Hopkins. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That said a third of... | ||
| A third of spirits aren't making it anymore. | ||
| They're just not doing it. | ||
| And, yeah, the prevailing theory is that we die secularly. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And, hot take! | ||
| I think that number's going up, buddy! | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I think we've got a terrifying increase in overall souls sticking around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a problem. | ||
| Well, it's gonna be a problem for ghost housing. | ||
| There's gonna be a ghost housing crisis. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| 2008 all over again. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's gonna be brutal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The ghosts won't be able to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ghosts are also very susceptible to NFT scams. | ||
| That's gonna be a problem coming up. | ||
| Yeah, that is gonna be an issue. | ||
| And they have unlimited money because it's not tied to anything physical anymore. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| All their spells work twice as good. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And now... | ||
| All they want to do is catch Pac-Man. | ||
| Well, for a while. | ||
| Sometimes they really don't want to catch Pac-Man. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| After he eats... | ||
| Alright, so now the chat has gotten involved, and we are going to see a little bit of how the host is reacting to them. | ||
| There's all kinds of crazy stuff in there, and I find that historically very interesting. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And I also just wanted to make a comment real quick because 99% of what I'm reading in the live chat here is awesome. | ||
| And there's always somebody that may be ignorant. | ||
| And when I use the term ignorant, that just means uninformed. | ||
| So, you know, there's one person that's having a real hard time with, I guess, me personally. | ||
| They seem to think that I'm a... | ||
| A black magician. | ||
| It's the glasses, Rex. | ||
| It must be the blue blockers. | ||
| Some people call me reptilian shapeshifting Jesuit shill. | ||
| That's bold. | ||
| Yeah, because I don't believe that the earth is shaped the way that they tell me it needs to be. | ||
| So it's okay. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| It's the internet. | ||
| Everything's real on the internet. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| There's so much in there, isn't there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so much in that one little clip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He does not explain which shape he thinks the Earth is. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Well, he doesn't want to alienate. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| It could go either way. | ||
| It could go either way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there's a strategic thing that sometimes people in these... | ||
| Sort of veins do that that is the responding to criticism that is like you're a black magician because that keeps the criticism even within the world that they live in. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Whereas the criticism of this is a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| You're silly. | ||
| I'm glad for you if this does something empowering for your life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you might be overselling some of this stuff. | ||
| Might be a little bit troublesome. | ||
| I think that that criticism probably... | ||
| Much less likely to respond to, whereas the I'm a black magician is just like, that's in-game criticism. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I think that's kind of fun. | ||
| I mean, do you think he's a black magician? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I don't know what any of this means. | ||
| All right, well. | ||
| What's the distinction? | ||
| Let's find out whether or not he's a black magician. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So anyway, no, I don't practice black magic, and I don't really have time. | ||
| I'm doing Leap Project, and black magic kind of freaks me out, because... | ||
| If there is a cause and effect, if you're doing dark things, dark things might come back to you. | ||
| It's science. | ||
| There was one time that I had 72 Lesser Keys of Solomon that I got on eBay. | ||
| This was back in 2008. | ||
| I got it for like $100. | ||
| I was so excited. | ||
| It was a 1913 version. | ||
| When I got it, I immediately knew something was up, man. | ||
| It was like this real... | ||
| Dark energy. | ||
| And I had it for a couple of months. | ||
| And I remember the whole time I had it, the energy in the house was just like, it was even more dark. | ||
| And we read at this house in the Northwest that we found out after we signed a lease that the five previous people or the five previous couples that lived there before us ended up divorcing. | ||
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So there's definitely some gnarly mojo in that house. | |
| The neighbors had lived there for, the neighbors had lived next door for 40-something years. | ||
| But anyway, so I got this book. | ||
| And I could just... | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know if people were doing something negative with it before or what, but I could sense dark energy. | ||
| I was thinking bad things. | ||
| If you bought an antique one, if you bought a 1913 copy, that gives it, what, 90-something years for someone to have messed with it at least once. | ||
| So, sure. | ||
| I think that is a valid and likely accurate experience of that object. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Don't mess with those books. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Screw someone up later. | ||
| Five previous couples got divorced? | ||
| That probably has something to do with it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There's energy in there. | ||
| And then we got the book. | ||
| It had 90 years to be messed with. | ||
| Someone messed with it. | ||
| Could it be any power? | ||
| Such dark forces. | ||
| So much so that I think it's probably likely that he's correct. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's no way around it. | ||
| No, that's the only conclusion. | ||
| I mean, if there is a cause and effect, obviously. | ||
| Do you do evil things? | ||
| I don't know the time. | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| I would be a black magician, but I'm too busy with Leak Project, man. | ||
| I just don't have the time. | ||
| I think there's also something quaint. | ||
| And tough to deal with about the idea that if you can do magic, it's accessible for $100 on eBay. | ||
| That's kind of... | ||
| I've read everything about this. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| And here's how important this is to Rex here, okay? | ||
| This is the only time he interrupts in the entire hour and ten minute long interview. | ||
| And it's to continue this fucking story. | ||
| Because it's not done yet. | ||
| And he's got to get this story out. | ||
| Real quick, I was just going to say, so I gave it away, right? | ||
| The day that I gave it away, my wife had no idea I had this book. | ||
| The day I gave it away, she goes, she comes in the house and she goes, it just feels lighter in here. | ||
| Do you notice that? | ||
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They said, oh yeah, by the way. | |
| I had this cursed book I bought, and now we don't have it. | ||
| Coincidentally, she also bought new blinds that day, and we had our windows washed. | ||
| Put in new track lighting. | ||
| No, I got rid of this book. | ||
| Honey! | ||
| You're not going to believe this. | ||
| The reason you feel better, this 100-year-old book I bought on eBay, I got rid of it. | ||
| Something probably messed with that book. | ||
| Oh, you got a promotion? | ||
| Eh, probably not important. | ||
| I had a great lunch. | ||
| I talked to my friend and it was a delightful time. | ||
| I'm feeling a light on my feet. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Yeah, so he's not a black magician. | ||
| I don't still really know what that means, except for it's someone who does black magic, but now I don't know what black magic means. | ||
| Well, that's interesting because Gordon's going to explain a little bit how it works. | ||
| Nothing gets you off the hook for being moral. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| You can pray for someone's death. | ||
| And in the same way, I'm not saying this is easy or benign or even recommended because they are not recommended. | ||
| They are spirits who have a deeply ambivalent attitude to mankind. | ||
| So I'm not saying, hey, everyone, it's fine and it's safe. | ||
| Go out and do it. | ||
| It's not that at all. | ||
| But it doesn't necessarily make you evil to do it. | ||
| You could be evil by, you know, it's evil to pray the gay away. | ||
| Like, that's literally evil. | ||
| So you can't get... | ||
| Nothing lets you off the hook for being a moral person in life. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, I'm glad that he doesn't believe in praying the gay away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm happy for that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't understand the distinction between it not being necessarily evil to pray for someone's death. | ||
| It's just not recommended. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't get it. | |
| I don't get the distinctions. | ||
| I also, there's a bigger question that I have, and that seems to be like, all right, magic can make you invincible. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's not able to, there's no magic spell you can do to reverse cause and effect. | ||
| No. | ||
| That seems like that's bizarre. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, you can't. | ||
| Also, let me... | ||
| Listen, you can break all the rules of reality, but that one. | ||
| Let me disagree with that premise internally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you're invincible, you have a broken cause and effect. | ||
| I don't necessarily think that's true. | ||
| Because if I stab you, that's a cause. | ||
| No, it's just a different effect. | ||
| You bleed. | ||
| It's just a different effect. | ||
| This situation, the effect is the knife bounces off and you accidentally stab yourself. | ||
| No, that's kind of a contradiction of classical. | ||
| Well, because, I mean, the physics of it. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| The cause and effect physics. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, we get rid of those. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Except when we don't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sometimes we do, but sometimes we don't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when I say is when we do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when I say is when we don't, we don't. | ||
| And that's science. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it works. | ||
| And his moral philosophy, it doesn't come off very clearly there. | ||
| Because he's like, it's okay to pray for somebody's death. | ||
| Well, it's not advised. | ||
| I mean, what he's trying to say is that a black magician is not somebody who practices black magic. | ||
| It is that magic is a tool, and you are a person who is using that tool. | ||
| So if you do bad things, It's not the magic that did it. | ||
| You just talk to some spirits who are very ambivalent about how they treat people on the planet. | ||
| So you can't be like, no, no, no, no, it's cool, I'm a black magician. | ||
| You still have to be a moral person, I guess. | ||
| So that's his idea of magic there. | ||
| But there's sort of an ambivalent morality to praying for someone's death? | ||
| Yeah, but not for praying away the gay. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| Unspecific situations. | ||
| I feel like there's a cause and effect, and the cause is listening to this, and the effect is me hitting my head on the wall. | ||
| Well, I think the chat has some agreement with you here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the chat strikes back, is what I named this clip. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And yeah, if the guy in the chat room is calling it black magic, it is. | ||
| It's literally, that's what it was historically called, but it doesn't necessarily follow that you are some sort of deranged child-murdering psychopath if you're doing it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Or it doesn't mean you're losing your soul either. | ||
| He's like, oh, you've lost your soul. | ||
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The devil came and visited you in a dream and that's it, Rex. | |
| That's it. | ||
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How dare you ban me? | |
| I didn't ban you, bro. | ||
| Somebody else timed you out. | ||
| It wasn't even me. | ||
| I mean, I don't care. | ||
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Go right ahead. | |
| You think whatever you want. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The devil can enter your dreams whether you're doing magic or not. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'm comfortable now. | ||
| Never sleeping again. | ||
| This sounds less like the chat striking back and more him striking back at the chat. | ||
| Well, he saw a little... | ||
| He seems like he touched a nerve. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He kept getting little notes from people like, are you a black magician? | ||
| And he's... | ||
| Seems sensitive. | ||
| It's not something that he realizes, I think, was people fucking with him. | ||
| You think it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, because it was like a little bit of a... | ||
| It was a little, like, meme that happened in the chat for a little while. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Of people kind of making fun of the fact that he... | ||
| That's what a black magician would say. | ||
| So then he's a little overreacting a little bit. | ||
| So now we're finally getting to something that Rex needs personally. | ||
| Ghost removal? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| The banishing ghost. | ||
| A Sumerian method of banishing ghosts. | ||
| I need to know this one. | ||
| There's one of the things I kind of delight in doing, and you'll find this in a couple of books, actually. | ||
| There's a couple of different Sumerian spells. | ||
| There's in Pieces of Aid and Chaos Protocols, which are two of my practical magic books. | ||
| I just really like the idea of looking at, kind of like the Book of the Dead, but that's a sort of... | ||
| For the most part, they are spells for dead people to use. | ||
| They're not as interesting. | ||
| Whereas there's some really fun Sumerian ones that appear to use or have confused big dogs with being kind of demons that might scare the dead. | ||
| And I just love playing with them. | ||
| But getting rid of... | ||
| What? | ||
| Getting rid of... | ||
| Negative entities is such a dumb word. | ||
| But getting rid of icky spirit presences in the house... | ||
| That's not a dumb word. | ||
| I never get enough. | ||
| I have listened to that one. | ||
| I played that on repeat for a while. | ||
| Just like, negative energy is such a dumb word. | ||
| Icky. | ||
| And you're like, there's no way that you can go to icky spirit presences in the house and be like, well, clearly I've improved on negative energy by a huge margin. | ||
| So they confuse large dogs with spirits. | ||
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Right. | |
| Does that mean the spell is like, sit? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| And also, he doesn't explain it, but he does say, I really like playing with them. | ||
| I think he's insinuating that he has summoned the spirits of these dogs and plays with them regularly. | ||
| Great. | ||
| That is what I think he's saying. | ||
| It sounds whimsical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If you're doing magic to imagine that you're playing with dogs that aren't there, I mean... | ||
| Seems harmless. | ||
| Well, let's take a look at that Sumerian spell. | ||
| Oh, you have it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I just want to make sure that you get it correctly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, it is not Sumerian as far as I can see from the Chaos Protocol. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In this, it is Greek Magical Papyri. | ||
| So, it goes something a little bit like this. | ||
| Hail Hermenubus, come to me, O high one, O mighty one, O master of secrets for those in the underworld, O pharaoh of those in Amenti, O chief physician, O good son of Osiris, he whose face is strong among the gods, you should appear in the underworld before the hand of Osiris. | ||
| You should serve the souls of Abydos in order that they live through you, these souls, the ones sacred to the underworld. | ||
| You are Anubis. | ||
| You are Hermes. | ||
| You are the one who went forth from the heart of the great Agatho Damon, the father of the father of all the gods. | ||
| Come to the mouth of my vessel and dwell in this form dedicated to you and receive my offering in praise, for I am Isis the Wise, the sayings of whose mouth shall come to pass. | ||
| Did you notice that it's quieter in here? | ||
| It is a lot quieter in here. | ||
| That voice that's always saying, you suck. | ||
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Boo. | |
| We got rid of all of our icky spirit presences in this house. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| This show isn't about Alex Jones anymore. | ||
| The ghost is... | ||
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Alex Jones has been lifted from us. | |
| That would be fun if we had to suddenly stop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So yeah, that seems like a good spell. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There you go. | ||
| So we have cleared out the ghost presence in the house. | ||
| Hopefully... | ||
| I've been powerful enough to help Rex from a distance as well. | ||
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Sure. | |
| If he listens to the show. | ||
| If he listens to the show, it should be taken care of. | ||
| He can just play this. | ||
| Personally, I don't know. | ||
| If I were to believe in ghosts, which I'm, much like the spirit realm, I'm ambivalent about it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know if I'd want them to leave, really. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, if there are ghosts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And there is a way of communicating with them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just want to talk to them. | ||
| Be their friends. | ||
| I mean, I think... | ||
| The problem there is once you become the person who talks to Ghost Friendly-like, all the ghosts are going to come to you. | ||
| Have you seen the show Ghosts? | ||
| Seems fun. | ||
| Have you seen The Sixth Sense? | ||
| Doesn't sound fun at all. | ||
| Let me just say that I've only seen a commercial for the show Ghosts, and I'm not sure if it looks fun. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They play on Survivor. | ||
| Did you see The Frighteners? | ||
| No. | ||
| You ever see that one? | ||
| Michael J. Fox? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He fights ghosts. | ||
| I don't want to fight a ghost. | ||
| Have you ever seen 13 Ghosts with Tommy Shalhoub? | ||
| I have seen 13 Ghosts. | ||
| That was a really good one. | ||
| I don't know if it was. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| All right, Dan. | ||
| Well, we've gotten to the end. | ||
| We've got our Sumerian spell. | ||
| Let's bring it home. | ||
| All right, we're going to close the show. | ||
| Practical magic that people can use every single day. | ||
| Yes, and in this case for wealth. | ||
| So it's specifically an entire course on wealth magic that'll start probably about mid-January. | ||
| Sign me up. | ||
| Swing! | ||
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Ladies and gentlemen. | |
| The legend. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Gordon, thank you so much again. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Check it out, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Be excellent to each other. | ||
| Hit the bell. | ||
| You need to hit that bell to get access to the live feeds and be the change you want to see. | ||
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Was that two Wayne's World references in 30 seconds? | |
| Yep. | ||
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A swing and a be excellent to each other? | |
| Yep. | ||
| So there it is. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That is how we bring it home. | ||
| Also, Practical Magic was a Sandra Bullock movie from the late 90s. | ||
| Yeah, but he's giving you wealth magic, okay? | ||
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Of course. | |
| That's what you're looking for. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You are looking for, I mean, and his book is absolutely nuts. | ||
| Tie a 1973 quarter to the bottom of your shoe and walk around for six miles. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But also, here's the problem with Alan Greenspan. | ||
| He talks about Alan Greenspan in the Chaos Protocols. | ||
| It's that kind of shit. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we now know what the devil is, which is everything. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I don't know what the devil is. | ||
| We now know how to get rid of spirits. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is there anything else that you learned today? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're looking overwhelmed. | ||
| I feel like you don't believe in magic anymore. | ||
| Anymore? | ||
| No, I mean, like, my position on a lot of this stuff is, like, I don't mean to be too cruel if people do believe in some stuff that helps them in their life. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| There is an element of benign irrationality that I think can be fine and maybe even positive in people's lives. | ||
| I resent some of this stuff also, though. | ||
| And I find... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess especially when you're... | ||
| Maligning other people in scientific fields when you're using sort of... | ||
| Clearly a subscription platform. | ||
| He was saying his premium members, and he's offering classes on wealth magic. | ||
| You know, these kinds of things are, I find, distasteful in many of the same ways that our right-wing scam folk are. | ||
| And I would like to sort of distinguish that from people who, like, maybe have some kind of ritual thing that they like to do that somehow makes them feel better, and God bless you for it. | ||
| I don't think that that's the same thing as what these people are clearly engaged in. | ||
| I see this like... | ||
| I mean, it's a scam. | ||
| Magic isn't real. | ||
| And you're not going to get wealthy by taking his magic course. | ||
| Well, you might, but it'll be a coincidence. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And I think what it really more is is like, you know, I'm not going to go to a glitter bug church. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I still want that... | ||
| I still want somebody to tell me that if I'm a good person, I'll get rich. | ||
| Huh. | ||
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So... | |
| It does kind of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like an incentive to be a good person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it really is a little bit of, like, if you can go to Joel Osteen or you can go to this guy and it's the same basic thing. | ||
| Yeah, I think the quote-unquote glitter bug church stuff has... | ||
| I mean, it falls into a fairly similar category in that, like... | ||
| Christianity, or religion in general, is not in and of itself a bad thing or negative. | ||
| No. | ||
| It is the other behaviors that are coming along with it that make it particularly distasteful. | ||
| Some stuff, like you just believe in magic, that could be a lot of fun. | ||
| Same with aliens and whatever. | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, as long as you're not coming from a place, or as long as you're not, like... | ||
| Actively hurting people. | ||
| And even then, even the most desired, like, oh, I'm so mad and I'm a chaos magician, I'm gonna fucking pray for your death. | ||
| Oh, and then you'll get it. | ||
| You know, it's like, you're not actually gonna hurt him. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| It seems like a dead end for you as a person. | ||
| It seems like a good way to wallow in some feelings that aren't gonna help you. | ||
| True. | ||
| And maybe there's better uses of your time. | ||
| Another thing that I find that I resent a little bit about this that you've presented to me. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| It's not your fault, but I've got nothing to hold on to. | ||
| No. | ||
| There is no real specificity. | ||
| You even read one of these spells, and I don't... | ||
| It just seemed like it was a name of Egyptian deity list. | ||
| You got it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And I don't know what black magic is. | ||
| I don't know what the devil is. | ||
| I don't know why he needs ghosts out of his house. | ||
| You need ghosts out of your house. | ||
| I don't know any of these things. | ||
| I don't have more questions than when we started, because I don't care. | ||
| And they didn't answer any that they raised. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| So I kind of resent that a little bit. | ||
| But there are some interesting things along the way. | ||
| I mean, I can't get enough of... | ||
| That guy is just... | ||
| He's fallen out of the Matrix. | ||
| He's having such a great time. | ||
| The Matrix sink. | ||
| That guy has more fun than I do. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| Anyways, I mean, it was nice to not have to deal with people who are like, and gay people should be lit on fire all the time. | ||
| Like, it's nice. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| That is. | ||
| That is a pleasant little break. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So thanks, Jordan. | ||
| Thanks for bringing that to our attention. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| You got a spell. | ||
| Nobody has any ghosts no more. | ||
| And you cast a spell of not listening to Alex for an episode. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| So that's great. | ||
| We'll be back to talking about Alex on Monday. | ||
| Oh, indeed we will. | ||
| Time to sort through a bit of this bullshit. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We are also... | ||
| On Twitter? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Oh, it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| We'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'd like to wish you all a happy, dreamy, creamy summer. | ||
| So dreamy-creamy. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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