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March 25, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#662: March 22, 2022

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ March 22, 2022, episode, where he exploited Joe Biden’s "New World Order" remark with fabricated claims—like a fake Schwab video endorsing forced abortions and death camps—while dismissing critics as authoritarian leftists. The hosts debunk his cherry-picked clips from Bush, Kissinger, and others, exposing his financial desperation (selling loss-leading merch) and contradictory rants about globalist pet-killing schemes, rooted in a misrepresented Bloomberg inflation op-ed. Jones’ transphobic "concern trolling" with Savannah Hernandez and outdated Liverpool Care Pathway conspiracy further highlight InfoWars’ descent into unchecked bigotry and debunked falsehoods, now offering negative value to public discourse. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 20:36
d
dan friesen
01:13:01
j
jordan holmes
24:30
Appearances
h
henry kissinger
01:05
j
joe biden
d 01:31
Clips
t
tony blair
gbr 00:09
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgepight.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Reddler, rattler, rattler.
alex jones
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding it.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish ten colour name right here saying I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you, buddy.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is the 2009 Nicholas Cage film, Knowing.
And an opportunity to check back in on that film holds the fuck up.
jordan holmes
It really does.
dan friesen
That movie is good.
jordan holmes
It is actually good.
I've seen it made fun of too many times.
dan friesen
It is restrained, Cage, but with a good freak out towards the end.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's, you know, it's an accessible Nicholas Cage.
It's not like, you know, you get some sort of just run-of-the-mill average everyday person.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you try to show them like Bad Lieutenant, Port of Call, New Orleans.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're not ready for it.
dan friesen
New.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You got it.
No, they haven't even seen the original Bad Lieutenant.
dan friesen
Some other Cage performance is probably too much for the normies, let's say.
But like National Treasure, you can get them in on that knowing his in that milieu.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's exciting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this movie came out 13 years ago.
jordan holmes
Man Googled 9/11 slash 2001.
dan friesen
You're continuing your track record of spoiling things in the bright spot.
So what's yours?
jordan holmes
Sorry.
My bright spot is yesterday, a nice table of women at this restaurant bought me and my partner a bottle of wine.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can tell that you guys were luscious.
jordan holmes
It was.
dan friesen
Winos.
jordan holmes
No, here's the worst part, right?
I was dressed like this, basically.
I had a nicer sweater on, no hood.
Okay.
I had purchased it at a secondhand store.
dan friesen
Turtleneck.
jordan holmes
Earlier yesterday morning.
Right?
She was wearing jeans, nice shirt.
We were both walking.
She had flowers, right?
And they immediately came over and they're like, oh my God, did you guys just get married?
And the problem was we had.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
And that's offensive to me because those people correctly sussed out.
That's as good as this dirtbag is going to look.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Like, that's as good as it gets for me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I would like to remind the listeners that before I went to Austin in December, we went to the men's warehouse.
jordan holmes
Yes, we did.
Well, I tried to buy a suit and it did not happen.
Well, you could have.
dan friesen
You got a hug out of it.
So you're burying the lead there, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We went to the courthouse yesterday at 2 p.m.
It took us about five minutes to get the marriage license.
dan friesen
That's quick.
jordan holmes
Devin, my partner's mom, she married us as a humanist celebrant.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Took about 15 minutes.
We were in, out.
We went and had dinner.
dan friesen
It was a good day.
Congratulations to you both.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was great.
dan friesen
But really, I want to talk more about knowing.
No, but for real, congratulations.
I think everyone out there is very happy and excited for you, too.
jordan holmes
It was nice.
It's the best way to do a wedding ever.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, pretty low-key in terms of the ceremony and such.
jordan holmes
Very.
dan friesen
Pretty low-key in terms of you announcing it to thousands of people.
jordan holmes
Basically, on our show.
Yeah, that's generally how I do it.
There was a witness, okay?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Like, to a crime.
unidentified
Yes.
There was a witness.
Exactly.
There was a single witness.
jordan holmes
And we'll be shocked if she's alive in two years.
dan friesen
There wasn't an official witness.
It was just someone who happened to be there.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Someone saw it go down.
jordan holmes
We had our wedding witnessed by an innocent bystander.
That was how it goes.
dan friesen
Well, and that kind of brings us to another point, and that is that you all are going to take a little bit of a trip.
You guys are honeymoon-ish thing.
So you'll be.
There is a vacation coming up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, somewhere, some middle of April, something like that.
dan friesen
If there's some shady release schedule going on during that time, prepare yourselves, listeners.
So, Jordan, today, not to take away, not to pivot away from this.
jordan holmes
Oh, please, let's pivot away.
I got married in a courthouse.
That needs to stay private.
dan friesen
Fine.
So today we've got an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about the 22nd of March within the year of Our Lord 2022.
This is chaos.
This episode is going to be a mess.
There is a lot of nonsense.
And the actual episode itself is perfunctory?
jordan holmes
Bizarre?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Us going over it.
There's some interesting things to discuss, but it's far overshadowed by the circumstances surrounding this episode.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
And the larger picture of all that.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So we'll get into this, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Jordan's laugh gets me through the day.
Mike Up.
Thank you so much.
You're an Ao Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, to Vico from Noko.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next.
Sorry, Pumpkin, but I'm glad we bonded over this.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Romantic theme emerging.
jordan holmes
If you have your nickname for your partner is Pumpkin, does not matter.
You claim that one was on you.
Sure.
That's yours.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, the Green Eminem did January 6th.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
That one's new.
dan friesen
Next, Lynn Zillard.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And not your Amazon Alexa.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
So I believe that everybody has a vague understanding of the things that have been going on in Alex's immediate past.
And I feel like we will dig into this hole a bit.
But here is an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I will not eat your bugs.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
Leave my bugs alone.
jordan holmes
My bugs specifically?
Yes.
Is this a property issue or a bug issue?
dan friesen
He just does not approve of your bugs.
jordan holmes
Now it makes more sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I was going to put out an episode on Wednesday this week, Jordan.
You know this because you were.
But truth be told, things got a bit overwhelming, and I wanted to see how things ended up playing out.
Monday was an insane day for things that are related to our show.
First, Joe Biden used the words New World Order, and in the process, he gave conspiracy theorists decades' worth of justification to believe that their particular flavor of shadow elite cabal runs the world behind the scenes.
jordan holmes
And a big old boner.
dan friesen
It was a dumb move, but the words do convey what Biden was trying to say.
It's not like.
jordan holmes
It is a new world order.
It's an order that is not the same as the old, and we are on the world.
dan friesen
Right.
We've discussed that a bit in the past, and we'll do it more today.
As soon as I heard that Biden had said that, I was not pumped to tune in for Alex's response because I feel like it's super predictable, and I don't really have that much more to say than we have in response.
Leaders sometimes talk about the international order of the world, the set of relationships, alliances, trade agreements, and enemies internationally.
Sometimes, when major changes to the status quo of these relationships happen, one might say that the world order has become something new.
It's an expression that makes total sense, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with using them to describe exactly the situation in the world today.
Folks like Alex will hear them and proves that the devil is puppeteering Biden into taunting the world so we don't fight back when he tries to eat our children's blood or something like that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Then, Monday evening, everything got thrown into chaos.
Will Sommer reported that Alex's lawyers had requested his deposition in the Connecticut Sandy Hook case be postponed because of an emergency medical situation.
Apparently, that afternoon at 3:30 p.m., Norm Pattis had received a call that Alex was, quote, under the care of a physician for medical conditions that require immediate and possibly emergency testing.
jordan holmes
Well, you got to trust Norm.
dan friesen
True.
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
I've never heard Norman.
dan friesen
He speaks no lies, Pattis.
jordan holmes
I've never heard Norm lie.
dan friesen
Right.
The entire thing was super fishy.
Alex had done his show that day and was on air until like 2 p.m., and there was no sign of any particular problem.
In addition, Norm's filing claimed, quote, my client has not authorized me to disclose the nature of the medical conditions or the identity of the physician, which is sketchy.
This was all in service of trying to delay a deposition that was scheduled for this Thursday.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The supposed doctor had advised Alex shouldn't sit for the deposition given his medical condition, which again seems shady.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was a schedule at, pardon me, I sort of oversimplified.
There was Wednesday and Thursday there were depositions scheduled for him.
And then Friday, Rob Dew.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he had a case of I don't want to do it, itis.
dan friesen
Right.
I didn't want to rush into anything, and turning around to get an episode out that discussed this on Wednesday would have been a challenge.
But at this point, a few more data points have come out.
The first is that Alex was in the studio doing his show on Tuesday.
He wasn't broadcasting from home.
He didn't have Owen or Harrison cover the show so he could keep up the ruse that he was trying to pull with the court.
It was just business as usual.
And I suspect that the reason for that is that Biden said New World Order, and Alex couldn't let Harrison or Owen swing at that meatball.
That was right over the plate.
jordan holmes
Oh, they would whiff so hard it would make everyone cry.
Like Alex would have to break into the studio like in a movie, like Mike Myers screaming.
dan friesen
You just see a puff of smoke behind him.
He's gone.
But this leaves an important question that's still hanging, and that is, what's going on with that motion that Norm filed in the first place?
The most obvious answer is that it could be purely an attempt to fuck with the plaintiff's case and stall the process, as has been Alex's legal strategy up till this point.
At every turn, he's pulled out any trick he can think of to slow things down and try and create legal headaches for the opposing counsel.
This would be totally within his character, and I wouldn't put it past him at all.
There's nothing he really stands to lose from sitting for the deposition.
He could just stonewall like he always does, but he does have something to gain in theory from trying to drag his feet and try to force the court to reschedule his trial date, which it would be much more fun for him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It wouldn't surprise me if that was part of what he was up to.
jordan holmes
Just a fun, just a fun lark.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why not give it a shot?
dan friesen
A second option occurred to me, and that is that Alex could have COVID again.
When he got back from California, Alex was complaining about feeling sick, and we know that he's very reckless and unvaccinated, and he's a guy who consistently hangs out with other unvaccinated people and takes no precautions about getting sick.
He's in a high-risk category, and he just took a trip to another state, so the opportunities for him to be exposed to something seem pretty decent at least.
His behavior as a whole would also fit with the COVID idea, because if he had COVID, he would still show up to his studio to do the show.
Yeah, he doesn't give a shit about his staff, and he's admitted he already did that the last time he had COVID.
Went to the work and exposed everyone to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I heard that on Twitter, and then the first thing I texted you was like, Well, of course, he's still in the studio if he has COVID.
dan friesen
And it would make sense why he wouldn't go to court or wouldn't want to go to court because they take things seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they would not like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, one of the primary reasons I didn't want to jump a gun on this is that I wanted to be able to have some kind of information and not just, you know, come to this show with assumptions and what-ifs.
Thankfully, on Wednesday, a sworn affidavit was filed, and we learned a little bit more about this medical emergency.
As it turns out, on Monday, Alex had the complete lunatic and guy who fantasizes about murders, Dr. Marbles, on his show to do some fun COVID denialism content.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
When Marbles showed up at the studio to do the interview, his quote personal observations of Mr. Jones so alarmed him that he insisted on conducting a physical examination of Mr. Jones.
He immediately advised Mr. Jones to go to an emergency room or call 911.
After Mr. Jones refused, the physician advised him to stay home, which Mr. Jones did not do.
jordan holmes
Ah, okay.
So if I understand this correctly, Dr. Marbles walked into InfoWars and said, you look like shit.
You got to go to the doctor right now.
dan friesen
Called 911.
jordan holmes
And Alex, appropriately understanding that Dr. Marbles is a moron, probably, no.
unidentified
Screw you.
dan friesen
I would assume.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But right off the bat, we have a few problems.
The first is that Dr. Marbles is certifiably insane, and I wouldn't take directions to the grocery store from him, let alone medical advice.
So this is all coming from him seeing Alex, getting freaked out, and then, I guess, checking his pulse.
Whatever it was that Marbles saw was enough to advise Alex to call 911, so that does seem serious, although again, Dr. Marbles.
It's advice coming from a lunatic.
Alex didn't take this advice, although he did pass it along to Norm Pattis to use as an excuse to not go to his scheduled deposition, which again probably would have come off a little more convincing if Alex hadn't done his show the next day.
That really punctures any illusion that whatever he's dealing with would preclude him from sitting for a deposition.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, that's great.
dan friesen
So having snubbed Dr. Marbles' advice and not called 911, Alex did his show the next day, Tuesday the 22nd, which is what we're going to cover today.
Marbles was able to convince Alex to go to see a doctor friend of his, Dr. Amy Offutt, who practices in Marble Falls, Texas, which is about an hour outside Austin.
And at this point, I feel like we're in some kind of a weird marbles-based synchronous show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is going on here?
Is it where Smurfs?
dan friesen
What is going for you?
I feel like I'm asleep or something.
I'm dreaming of Marbles.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're just marbling, not the marbles the way that marbles need to marble.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
She prescribed Marble Rye.
So Alex saw Dr. Offutt in the morning of Wednesday, March 23rd, and as such, he didn't do his show.
Additionally, he didn't show up for the first day of his scheduled deposition, which was supposed to be, like I said, on Wednesday and Thursday.
This could end up being a problem down the line and might result in some sanctions.
Dr. Offutt was in agreement with Marbles.
She said that Alex shouldn't be doing this deposition at all based on issues related to stress.
She said, quote, I had a medical visit with Mr. Alex Jones for acute medical issues that were time-sensitive and potentially serious.
This is a little tough to parse because the time sensitivity could be in reference to him having a hard deadline about the deposition, as opposed to it being something where his health dictated the time sensitivity.
It's unclear.
In her note, however, there's a redaction.
Quote, we started a comprehensive medical evaluation, and he has labs that are pending to assess his blank status.
I've asked him to avoid too much stress until we have results from the blood tests this morning.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Assuming that this isn't all an elaborate charade, that's kind of worrying.
And if I had to guess, this has to do with the medical condition that's on full display every day.
I would guess it has something to do with him having a ridiculously high risk of heart attack or stroke.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Both of these are things that can be exacerbated by increased stress, and markers would be the kind of things you'd find doing blood tests.
On Wednesday, Alex didn't do his show, but he recorded a long voice memo while he was driving, probably to Dr. Offit's office in Marble Falls, that Owen played periodically on the show to keep the audience from tuning out from his boring answer.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Just in case they might think that Alex accidentally showed up again.
Well, oh, maybe he'll come back.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We got him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So a couple of fun pieces of trivia to throw in, just for flavor here.
Dr. Marbles included the dubious claim that he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2021 in his statement of facts in his affidavit.
Which is hilarious.
jordan holmes
I read that.
I read that, and I still don't believe it's true.
And yet it's in an affidavit.
dan friesen
He swore it.
jordan holmes
That's wrong.
dan friesen
Also, it's hard to get a sense of who Dr. Offit is, but I was able to find an August 2021 article from a local Texas blog about how her and her husband had decided not to get vaccinated.
jordan holmes
Good doctor.
dan friesen
She doesn't run a normal medical office either.
jordan holmes
Not a surprise.
dan friesen
She works out of a place called Heart and Soul Integrative Health and Yoga.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
She apparently has an MD, but her practice is in integrative medicine, which is definitely not where you'd go if you were in need of acute emergency consultation.
Integrative medicine is built on relationships with patients, and her practice seems to actually be one that involves like a bunch of hormone therapy and yoga.
Also, she doesn't accept insurance, which is strange.
jordan holmes
Well, no insurance will accept her.
I think she can say that, but I'm pretty sure it goes the other way around.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
Certainly, that's not how it's put on the website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would imagine so.
dan friesen
I don't know what's going up here, but this is 100% not the doctor you drive an hour to see if you're needing a consultation about a condition that could be an emergency.
None of this adds up.
None of it makes sense.
And I think that she has some kind of association with the America Frontline doctors, the hydroxychloroquine ivermectin doctors.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I think that that might be where the connection is with her and why he would go see her as opposed to someone potentially more qualified.
jordan holmes
Well, it sure as fuck isn't because he wants to start doing yoga.
dan friesen
I would think not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A lot of neck flexibility exercises.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of demons in yoga, I would assume.
dan friesen
So it's hard to tell precisely what's going on here, but I think it's probably fair to say that this is an intersection of a shamefully transparent attempt to avoid the deposition and a real but probably not immediately pressing underlying condition that Alex is almost certainly struggling with.
He's in terrible shape, and if he'd had a heart attack at any point in the last three years, I can't imagine anyone being surprised.
jordan holmes
Unsurprising.
dan friesen
So on Wednesday evening, the judge in the case, Judge Bellis, gave an order that was basically saying that Alex didn't listen to Dr. Marbles and still came into work.
So that affidavit isn't really all that convincing in terms of the deposition.
jordan holmes
Ah, but he does have a Nobel Peace Prize.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Somebody said he should get one.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The court wasn't sure who Dr. Offit was, but taken as a whole, the two doctors provided indications that Alex had medical issues that, quote, while potentially serious, are not currently serious enough to either require his hospitalization or convince him to stop engaging in his broadcasts.
Bellis went on to say, quote, Mr. Jones cannot unilaterally decide to continue to engage in his broadcasts, but refuse to participate in a deposition.
And thus, she rejected the motion Alex's lawyers had made to reschedule, and barring a change in circumstances, like Alex actually being hospitalized, that deposition would go on as planned on Thursday, March 24th.
So the real question became, what happens Thursday morning?
Did Alex show up to do his show, or does he show up at the deposition?
Or does he do neither?
jordan holmes
Well, let's find out.
dan friesen
In a very brazen move, Alex did not show up for the deposition on Thursday.
Ooh, bold.
He also didn't do his show, though the show did open with a pre-recorded video of him complaining about how his trial is a show trial and how it's not a big deal for him to unilaterally decide that the deposition date should be changed.
alex jones
No one will ever find me.
dan friesen
The video he put out is legitimately insane.
It's complete nonsense.
To be perfectly honest, when he didn't show up for Wednesday's deposition, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to show up on Thursday either.
And a big part of that was because what he was actually required to produce for the deposition is stuff he could never, never bring up.
It seemed likely to me that he knew he was going to be sanctioned whether he showed up or not.
And if he was able to not show up and make his not showing up somehow about the court not respecting his health needs, he had a chance of changing the narrative and distracting his audience from his clear inability to answer direct questions, particularly about his finances.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Since this is a deposition in the penalty phase of the case, a number of the topics he was going to be required to bring documents about were issues with finances, including agreements that he had with Young Jevity, which, of course, is the veterinarian Dr. Wallach supplement company, and any cryptocurrency transactions and documents related to the connections between his various shell companies, like PQPR Holdings Limited and JLJR Holdings LLC.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
If you're in Alex's position, it's strongly in your interest to stonewall this kind of stuff because for the charade of your show to really work, it's pretty important for the listeners to just think that they give Alex money and he uses it to fight the big bad globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Looking at the actual details of his finances would threaten that image and probably chip away at the audience's impetus to blindly throw money at InfoWars.
And, you know, he's not going to provide this information that is being required of him in the deposition, and that'll get him sanctioned.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He cannot show up, and that'll probably also get him sanctioned.
Sure.
Now, there's been a lot of talk and headlines about him getting arrested.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And from my understanding, that was never really a likely outcome, but that if he were arrested, it would just be a situation where someone comes and gets him and makes him sit for the deposition.
jordan holmes
It's not like throwing him out.
He doesn't go to debtor's prison until he can pay off enough of the settlement in order to sit for the deposition.
dan friesen
They send out the marshals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, each one of them.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true.
jordan holmes
You go pick him up.
dan friesen
Right.
But I feel like this video from Thursday morning, when he didn't show up for the deposition, the insane one, it's too important to ignore.
So we're going to dip into that really quick before we get to the episode from the 22nd.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So here's where it starts.
And he's like, hey, man, I talked to Dr. Marbles.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this live Thursday edition.
When I say live, I want Shroyer Islam Studio.
I am taping this in the morning from my home before I go and get some more medical tests.
I'm 48.
I'm under a lot of stress.
And Dr. Marble was in the studio as a guest on other issues on Monday and saw some signs of some certain things.
Checked me out with a stethoscope and blood pressure machine and said that he thought I should go get checked out by a doctor.
And so the soonest I could get into a clinic versus checking myself into the emergency room would have been Wednesday morning.
dan friesen
There's urgent care centers all over the place.
That's not accurate.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
The only time I could go to this Weirdo America's Frontline hydroxychloroquine yoga doctor, that's when.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's the look.
I can go to like an urgent care facility or the emergency room or, I don't know, a backwoods, you know, doula.
I could do all of those things.
But if the yoga lady's available, you go to the yoga lady.
dan friesen
I think this speaks to the fact that it's not urgent and it's not an emergency, first of all.
Right.
And then, second of all, if I were Alex, I'd feel pretty insulted.
He's a celebrity, and this yoga doctor can't get him in.
unidentified
Can't fit him in.
jordan holmes
If I were Alex, I'd feel pretty insulted by Dr. Marbles looking at him and saying, I need to take your blood pressure.
That's me.
dan friesen
I imagine Alex gets that a lot.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So he gets to the motion to postpone the deposition.
He has some pretty unhinged ideas.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Let's hear him.
alex jones
And not think it would be a big deal.
I just had my lawyers contact him and said, hey, we probably need to move this deposition.
They've moved depositions on us dates and times at least five times that we can document.
And so it's not a good idea.
jordan holmes
How could you not document the other time?
alex jones
I've already sat three times for depositions in the Sandy Hook case.
We've given them over 300,000 pages of documents.
They got all our financial records, everything for a defamation case.
And so when you see my financials on the news, when you see all the depositions with me on the news, and then you see that I've been defaulted, excuse me, when you see that I've been defaulted saying I gave them nothing, it's all a lie.
These are show trials.
These are staged events.
But I intend to sit for the deposition, the fourth one.
I intend to fight, even though I'm in a court case in Connecticut and Texas with three different cases, two in Texas, one in Connecticut, where I've been found guilty by the judges.
Now, every American, even if they have a low IQ, knows you're innocent to prove and guilty, and the judges don't find you guilty.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't get to decide what is or is not a big deal for the court.
He seems to think that his individual judgment determines what rules he is or is not bound to, which is a pretty disturbing mindset to have on display.
Like, it's essentially him saying I'm above the law.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he's not above the law.
He's just, he gets to, you know, like a tasting plate of the law.
He's like, ooh, this part of the law I enjoy.
dan friesen
It very well may be the case that other hearings or depositions have been rescheduled in the past, but when that has happened, it was agreed to by both parties.
And I would guess that it didn't happen with almost no lead time and based on clearly very flimsy rationalizations.
If Alex is trying to suggest that this medical situation is really actually serious to him, his actions do not reflect that.
Doing his show on Tuesday is a gigantic red flag that whatever health concern he had isn't actually pressing, but just could be a convenient excuse to get him out of having to do this deposition that he doesn't want to do and probably would be damaging if he actually cooperated with.
jordan holmes
I mean, he does, I will say that in all fairness, one time the defense lawyers did, or the plaintiff's attorneys did have to reschedule because the dog ate their homework.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And the judge was like, well, I mean, clearly we have to wait until you can print that out.
dan friesen
It's a valid reason within the Texas court.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You know.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And larger picture, though, this isn't an isolated case of Alex trying to postpone this deposition.
Alex's legal team has been trying to get this deposition as well as that of their new corporate representative, his lawyer, Brittany Paz.
He's trying to get those postponed for a while.
And according to a court filing, quote, they have also suggested that they may need to extend the trial date in this case.
So Alex and his lawyers are trying to push this back and kick a can down the road.
It's one thing to need to reschedule something.
It's another to exhibit a consistent pattern of creating fake excuses to drag out a process so you might never actually have to face the consequences that are coming to you.
And that's what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's not like he's chevron.
He can't like afford a judge and buy all that stuff.
You know, he's he's stuck.
dan friesen
He can afford half a judge.
jordan holmes
He can afford a little bit of a judge, yeah.
Like a little tasting plate of the judge.
dan friesen
And also, I think in that clip, you kind of get a tell from Alex that he knows he's full of shit.
He says that he's already sat for a deposition three times in, quote, the Sandy Hook case, and he uses the singular noun there.
Later in the clip, he shows that he's keenly aware that there's multiple different cases, which is part of the reason that he's required to sit for separate depositions.
And then there's the dynamic that he's completely abused the discovery and deposition processes in the first phase of the trial.
And now we're into the damage phase where there's a different set of facts that the depositions are set to explore.
So obviously there's going to be more times you're required to say.
Alex knows all this, but he's counting on his audience accepting this bullshit woe-is me take where the whole world has conspired against him in this show trial.
And honestly, it's probably going to work with most of his listeners, but it's a complete fraud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is weird how, like, everybody knows that this is malicious.
There's nobody who doesn't know that this is malicious.
And if you don't know that this is malicious, you're hopelessly naive, right?
And yet at the same time, it's like, well, we've given other people chances before when it wasn't malicious.
So in the sense of fairness, we need to afford the same chance even when people are malicious.
And it's like, that's, we could just not do that.
dan friesen
Well, there's a limit.
There's a limit.
I think we're well past that.
jordan holmes
I think we're well past, which is the problem.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Limits should be where it ends.
dan friesen
And to be clear, I mean, I do think Alex has an actual medical condition that is at the root of this.
I just think it's bullshit the way he's using it.
I don't think it's sincere.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you're worried about the deposition being stressful for you, my friend, I'm afraid that's what a deposition is going to be for you, period.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's no breezy deposition for him.
dan friesen
I actually don't think that he's too stressed out by these depositions because he knows he can just say, I don't know.
I don't know.
And kill time.
jordan holmes
I mean, I said something.
dan friesen
The issue, too, though, is like anything that's like he, if stress is legitimately the issue, he screams and freaks the fuck out on his show.
He constantly storms out of studio whenever he's mad at the crew.
Right.
Like there's no more stressful experience for him than doing his show.
Sure.
And I think it would be much easier to take this kind of a complaint seriously if his actions didn't indicate that he was still like more than willing to do the thing that's painfully, obviously stressful.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, maybe he is doing yoga then.
No.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into the issue of default judgments, and I think he steps in it.
alex jones
Default judgments are when somebody never shows up one time or never shows up the court or doesn't file papers or gets caught filing fraudulent documents.
And even then you get sanctioned with lesser sanctions.
We have been fed into the Democratic Party process by political judges.
dan friesen
Even if that's the standard that Alex is using to determine when default judgments are justified, his case would merit a default judgment.
He and Owen Schroer both didn't appear for scheduled depositions early in these cases.
He didn't respond to multiple requests or documents.
On multiple occasions, he sent completely unprepared people to depositions to pretend to be corporate representatives, which may not be the same thing as filing fraudulent documents, but man, it's close.
Also, he had a ton of opportunities to stop abusing the process.
He was given smaller sanctions repeatedly, and it was abundantly clear to anyone paying attention that he was going to keep that behavior the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that sanctions weren't having any effect on his non-participation and abuse of the process.
jordan holmes
That's why he likes Putin.
dan friesen
He did all this to himself.
And even by his own metric that he's laying out here, he deserves that default judgment against him.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He has just condemned himself, essentially.
jordan holmes
I mean, you say that, but it's like, what is the words that he says?
You know, like, what do they mean?
You know, and I feel like you're just being unfair with your interpretation of the meaning of words.
dan friesen
Yeah, that may be.
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is just mad at everybody that's like, they're the ones trying to cash in on Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Of course, yeah.
alex jones
They picked a few things I talked about years ago out of context, made me the Sandy Hook man.
And now when we go to court, literally the judges are primping with their mirrors and their makeup, and they're micing them up and micing up the lawyers and the BBC and HNC.
And all the Netflix are there.
And then they get up and say, he's getting rich off Sandy Hook.
He made his whole career off of it.
As the New York Times writer says, buy my book, buy my book.
It just came out in time for the trial.
Buy my book.
Everything they say about me is who they are.
dan friesen
Elizabeth Williamson's book is available.
jordan holmes
Apparently, shout out to Liz on this one.
dan friesen
You could buy a Sandy Hook American Tragedy.
Alex, give it a nice little plug there.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he's distorting the actual conversation.
I don't know if anybody is saying that he made his career on Sandy Hook.
No.
More just that his actions in the avenue of his career, he profited by inflicting an immense pain on the people who experienced that tragedy.
jordan holmes
If he does not understand clearly what the problem is after having it been explained to him in so many ways with so many carrots, so many sticks, sanctions, blood, everything.
dan friesen
He understands it fully, but he totally can't appear to understand it or else the audience will be like, wait, you suck, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, but isn't that weird that we're on like four or five years of this and he still has to pretend like he can't learn?
dan friesen
Yeah, he really.
Oh, well, there's only four ways.
jordan holmes
No, that's fair.
dan friesen
None of these.
None of them are in the law.
Yeah.
So Alex makes a claim that could get him sued if he talks any more about this.
alex jones
The groups around Sandy Hook tragedy have brought in hundreds of millions of dollars of donations.
Some of the people involved rake in up to a million a year themselves personally.
And when we go to trial, all that's coming out one way or another.
These judges that aren't judges think they can contain this and control all this.
It's going to be their waterloo because America knows how corrupt and out of control this system is.
So look.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So who cares what charitable groups have raised?
Like, who cares?
They make money and use it for charitable causes.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
What does that have to do with this case?
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
You notice that Alex isn't saying that particular plaintiffs in the case have brought in millions of dollars from Sandy Hook because if he did, he would get sued again.
jordan holmes
Hell, that's kind of a problem.
dan friesen
That's the impression that he's trying to give the audience, but he knows damn well that he can't say that because if he did, he would be defaming them again.
jordan holmes
Say a name.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Go ahead and say a name.
dan friesen
We saw this play out in the last deposition that Alex was in, the one in December that I went to in Austin.
Alex has complaints about a group called Sandy Hook Promise, and there are some questions that Alex seems to have about their fundraising and their activism.
Alex believes that all of the Sandy Hook parents are one monolithic group, so he's decided that the plaintiffs in the case against him are interchangeable with Sandy Hook Promise, which he literally knows to not be true based on this exchange from that deposition.
unidentified
What is Honor Network?
You know what that is, right?
alex jones
I think that's a fundraising mechanism that he's involved in.
I have heard of that.
unidentified
A fun raising mechanism, what do you, how do you, let's start, because I know you're not guessing, because you just said you weren't going to guess.
So where did you hear that?
Who told you that?
alex jones
I can't remember exactly.
It was like, there's been news articles about the tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars raised by the Sandy Hook families.
unidentified
Something called the Sandy Hook Promise, right?
alex jones
And some controversy about where that money goes.
Yeah, so I have heard about that.
unidentified
Yeah, does Leonard Posner have anything to do with Sandy Hook Promise?
alex jones
Like I told you, I've heard of him in the Honor Network.
unidentified
I don't know.
alex jones
I've heard that, and I've heard the other name he said.
I don't know.
I'm really.
unidentified
You're just conflated.
You heard some random stuff and now you're trying to smear Mr. Posner with it, right?
He has nothing to do with Sanio Kramps, does he?
Objection 4.
alex jones
You're asking me questions, so I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah, and I'm asking you, what do you know about Honor Network?
And you just started telling me some stuff, but it's not anything you actually know, right?
dan friesen
Alex may try to yell and derail the trial with this kind of stuff, but it's not going to go anywhere or do anything because his point is meaningless.
He can use this insinuation here on his show to make the audience think that he's going to walk in like a conquering hero and put the system on trial.
These judges aren't judges.
It's all a farce.
And Alex knows that he can say exactly what he's saying, but if he adds one more detail, he's going to owe a ton more money and maybe create a whole new suit.
jordan holmes
Another summary judgment on the way.
dan friesen
Also, not for nothing, but Alex's breathing is super heavy in this clip and it's kind of worrying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't sound good here.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, at this point, I'm waiting for him to walk into the court and just be like, uh, tubal cane.
dan friesen
Well, Rogan would tell him to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's that's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jimmy James.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into how I think, I think maybe he was talking to Marjorie Taylor Green, and she told him about HIPAA.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
Because Alex has some thoughts, no thoughts about HIPAA, boy.
alex jones
My health issues are my issues, and they're private, and they're protected by HIPAA.
And I mean, you saw this judge up in Connecticut yesterday, and you saw the lawyers, these Democrat Party lawyers that work for Bloomington.
jordan holmes
Oh, these Democrats.
alex jones
Openly saying we want him arrested and put in jail if he doesn't show up for some multi-day long way Connecticut law works.
It's just unlimited, long deal.
And so when I talked to these doctors, they said, you're crazy.
You need to go home.
You need to go get these tests.
I got more tests set today, more tomorrow.
And you need to stay away from the microphone.
Well, here I am, even though I shouldn't be on here because I have to respond to the hundreds of news articles, including the Associated Press, that are attacking me and saying I'm a horrible person.
dan friesen
I don't know if anyone cares to cover whether or not you're a bad person.
jordan holmes
I mean, you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's taken as risk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we all assumed it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, he's going to protect his health privacy with HIPAA.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then he goes on to just immediately talk about his health situation.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's violating HIPAA.
alex jones
If I just release my medical records, make you all look like fools.
jordan holmes
Is that what we're doing?
alex jones
I've got EKGs.
I've had scans.
I've had it all.
And I started getting sick after I got COVID last year.
Almost killed my dad.
And I took care of them.
And it was really bad, Delta variant.
And I got spike protein.
And like everybody else, it attacked my cardiovascular system, okay?
And so, again, somebody on death row is allowed to go get their medical treatment, and hearings and things are postponed.
But I'm treated worse than somebody on death row.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you can believe anything Alex says, then there's a decent chance he might be suffering from long-term complications from one of the times he got COVID.
He may have also gotten it again, and then that exacerbates the situation.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
But just based on what he's saying, this makes total sense.
He's someone who's been super unsafe with his behavior.
He's gotten COVID multiple times.
And as we've learned, there are many poorly understood phenomena afoot with this virus where lingering effects, that's not too uncommon.
I wouldn't honestly be too surprised if Alex has heart damage that was caused by one of the times he got COVID.
jordan holmes
Not totally.
dan friesen
That being said, he's also a super unhealthy person who's at high risk of heart disease, even without COVID.
So I don't want to jump to too many conclusions.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The part that makes COVID as an idea fit kind of neatly is Alex's claim that he was getting sicker since he got COVID that second time, which may be true and thus a symptom, or it may be the way that his mind has experienced things, but it's not actually an accurate reflection of the progression of his symptoms.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
I actually don't think it's going to be that interesting for anyone but me, but I'll be keeping an eye on the situation and seeing if Alex just stops talking about this as soon as it's not a convenient excuse for him.
jordan holmes
I mean, the reason that people bring up HIPAA is almost exclusively when they have COVID and they don't want to tell you they have COVID because whatever recently.
Well, yeah, I mean, well, yes, recently.
dan friesen
I think there are plenty of other reasons where HIPAA comes up in appropriate settings.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
When I was in hearing aids, I worked with HIPAA all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I have all kinds of knowledge about HIPAA.
I had to take a class on it, the whole thing.
None of it was like, hey, don't tell nobody you got hearing aids.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I recall it being relevant.
I was a temp for a short period of time at a health insurance company.
And I dealt with like underwriting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, like, I think there were some things that I had to understand about privacy.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, one of the simplest is if somebody's like, hey, can I have my medical records?
You have to be like, who are you?
dan friesen
What's the past?
jordan holmes
Can I see you?
dan friesen
So Alex is kind of bummed out, actually, that he doesn't get to go to the deposition.
alex jones
I hate Chris Mant so much to be talking about here.
And I'm literally, quite frankly, was looking forward to these depositions.
So I was going to chew this Chris Manny guy out.
jordan holmes
And hold me back.
alex jones
Then they're like, you're crazy if you go do your normal 10, 12, 14-hour workdays.
You can't do it.
And so I got some more tests coming up today and tomorrow.
And I'm going to get those knocked out and I should be fine.
But I might have to go on some medication or whatever.
And it's just the stress of this world.
I really care.
And I've never really made any bones about that.
But again, they want me arrested.
dan friesen
Wait, is it the stress of the world or is it long COVID?
Do you have a heart?
jordan holmes
It could be anything.
He's having trouble breathing, Dan.
Why don't you care about a man in struggle?
dan friesen
I like the idea, though, that he's like, oh, I was wanting to get in there and chew out that Chris Meddy.
jordan holmes
I'm going to fucking put on my Sunday best.
dan friesen
Tried to put a million-dollar bounty on him.
That didn't work.
jordan holmes
That didn't work.
dan friesen
I got to yell at him.
jordan holmes
When was the last time a Texan put a million-dollar bounty on somebody and it didn't work?
Crazy.
dan friesen
So, look, Alex has got a message for the leftist stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that is, hey, sorry.
Sorry, leftist.
jordan holmes
That's really nice of him to apologize.
alex jones
And yeah, sorry, leftist.
My health comes before you plan to become famous off my name and to steal my identity and to say I'm the Sandy Hook man.
You're the Sandy Hook people.
You eat, drink, sleep, and everything.
And that's what you do.
I will continue to question any big event because a lot of times they're staged like the Gulf of Tonkin.
I'm just amazed.
jordan holmes
You just can't stop it.
alex jones
The list goes on and on.
But you guys are the ones that dredge this up and misrepresent what I've said over and over again.
And it's disgusting.
So you guys can move your depositions.
You guys can do whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want.
And then after all these depositions, all these things I've done, you turn around and say that I have not.
You say that I have, you know, oh, I'm hiding and all this crap.
Everybody knows Alex Jones doesn't hide.
Everybody knows Alex Jones on the front lines of this situation.
dan friesen
Alex Jones doesn't hide, I say, as I record this from my bedroom.
jordan holmes
I'm really concerned here.
That's fucking Hitler in the underground bunker being like, I've never hidden from a fight in my life.
dan friesen
I'm on the front line.
jordan holmes
I will fight to the very last, kaboom.
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
So stupid.
dan friesen
Also, I'm conflicted.
I can't really tell if I think that that cough is real or if it's like me trying to convince my parents I'm sick.
jordan holmes
Totally, I'm right there with you.
dan friesen
That's the problem with trying to assess the information that's being put out by a liar.
It's like you really, really don't know.
Like, if taken seriously, I think it's fucked up that he's breathing so heavily and coughing throughout this little video that he put out.
It's like no more than 10 minutes, probably.
jordan holmes
No, I listened to the coughs and then replayed them in my head like I'm in a seven, you know, like just like, oh, is this a signal?
Is there a slight frequency variation that'll prove he's lying?
You know, like, I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
So.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's how this ends.
alex jones
Everybody knows Alex Jones doesn't hide.
Everybody knows Alex Jones on the front lines of this situation.
And I appreciate the listeners supporting us.
We intend to battle all these kangaroo court operations, but it takes money to hire the lawyers to do it.
So please continue to support us at InfowarStore.com or by calling toll-free, triple-8-253-3139.
Also, our other great sponsors have a lot of great products.
And that's basically for everybody that tuned in today.
I want to know where Alex Jones is.
That's it.
And, you know, like I said.
jordan holmes
Wanting your money.
alex jones
They want me arrested.
And again, they tell you I'm defaulted.
I'm already guilty.
Well, then why am I having to testify if I'm guilty?
And again, I'm happy to go do that.
It's just that this isn't the time for me to be doing that.
And they got to move depositions.
So I am as good as these people are.
I have rights.
I have a First Amendment.
And I have my medical life.
And I'm sorry you don't like that.
I know all over the world they're taking conservatives and Christians' health care away.
The left has their social credit score.
These people are dangerous authoritarians and they know it and they're going to be defeated.
All right, back to Owen Schroyer and the live broadcast.
Infowars.com.
The front lines of human liberty.
dan friesen
I'm fascinated by, I mean, first of all, obviously, plug, obviously that's going to be in there.
But I'm fascinated by this consistent behavior.
And like, is there something about his audience that like really responds to like petulant baby outbursts?
jordan holmes
There must be.
dan friesen
Like, I can't imagine hearing somebody act like that and being like, fuck yeah, that is a guy who is fighting.
I mean, somebody who's really doing the work on the front lines.
Someone who's just wanna.
jordan holmes
That's a 13-year-old.
That is a 13-year-old in fucking eighth grade who's like, I'm just a little bit too tall.
Like, it's fucking awful to listen to this whiny, whiny shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, it comes off like they didn't let me on the football team because they don't like me.
jordan holmes
Totally.
And I'm too good.
I'm too good.
I'm so good.
I'm better than everybody else on the baseball team.
And yeah, that shortstop, he hit 33, whatever.
I'm better than him.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now we jump to the 22nd.
And that is Tuesday, the day that Alex decided to come do his show as opposed to staying home under doctor's orders.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think it might be a critical mistake.
I mean, like, regardless of what happens on the show, there is still the image of him coming to do the show undercuts his argument so entirely.
jordan holmes
It really breaks it down.
dan friesen
See, I wouldn't have done it if I were him.
jordan holmes
I can't do a three-hour deposition.
I got to do that three positions.
But I can do a three-hour show.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Completely different.
dan friesen
So here's where we start off.
alex jones
It's Tuesday, March 22nd, 2022.
322-2022.
Quite a date to the old boys over at Skull and Bones.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And the Bohemian Grove and their satanic death cult.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
Hell-bent on establishing their new world order, destroying the Christian era and the Renaissance and establishing in its place an absolute scientific dictatorship over humanity.
Now, many a politician and leader going back to World War II has talked of a new world order.
dan friesen
So, this is Alex trying to suggest that there's some kind of a mystical, magical spell that Biden was casting by using the words New World Order on this holiest of days to the globalists 322.
The problem is, though, that Biden said them the day before on 321, Alex is just whining about it.
jordan holmes
Ah, it's a different time zone.
dan friesen
Right.
No.
Oh, okay.
322 is on the Skull and Bones logo.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's different theories about exactly what the significance of that number is, but I don't know.
I don't think it matters.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
Wow.
I could not be less interested in him being like, but also, many a politician over the years has said New World Order.
It's true.
That should undercut your argument.
At no point in time, despite many politicians having called for the New World Order and you claiming that every time they do so, they are creating that new world order that you so fear and them still having not done so.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does seem to keep happening, particularly around times when situations are changing in the world.
jordan holmes
You know, here's what I would liken that to.
If I said many a time the pastor of a church has said that the end times are upon us, the following part would be, and they still aren't because they're full of shit, right?
And so that would be the same response.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it would be a fine response.
We'll see how you respond to this.
Something about the lineage of the term New World Order.
jordan holmes
All right, now I'm listening.
unidentified
This might be close to racist, Nazi-ish.
Oh, there we go.
alex jones
Many a politician and leader going back to World War II has talked of a new world order.
And H.G. Wells, more than 100 years ago, wrote the best-selling book titled A New World Order.
And it came out in the Nuremberg trials of the Nazis in World War II at the end of World War II that the head of German propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, wanted to kill H.G. Wells because of his book, The New World Order.
jordan holmes
Wait, is that good or bad?
alex jones
It's a different worldview of a world government than what the Nazis wanted.
And they knew that H.G. Wells, the nonfiction, also fiction writer, was the brain trust of the Anglo-American establishment.
That's the name of the British-U.S. global government combine.
And the Nazis had their own New World Order.
And Adolf Elois Hitler, you may have heard of him, had an order out to kill H.G. Wells.
This is mainline history.
So when you hear about the New World Order, you might pop your ears up a little bit and open your eyes up and focus.
dan friesen
I think that the extent of Alex's actual knowledge about World War II is that Hitler's middle name is A. Louis.
jordan holmes
It really does feel like it.
dan friesen
Alex says it all the time.
jordan holmes
He's really aware of it.
dan friesen
He says Adolf E. Louis Hitler more than he says Barack Hussein Obama.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's because it's mainline news.
dan friesen
I'm flabbergasting.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, when you love a person, you just give them their full name.
dan friesen
So Alex is making all this up.
There are a couple of important things to point out here.
And the first is that you can't just throw around claims like it came out in the Nuremberg trials and expect that to stand as compelling argumentation.
jordan holmes
No, it came out nonsense.
No, actually, I made that argument at the Nuremberg trials where it came out and thus.
dan friesen
And Francis Boyle was the lead prosecutor.
jordan holmes
And Dr. Marbles and I have got a peace process.
dan friesen
So the material involved in the Nuremberg trials is so dense and copious that understanding all of it would itself be the work of a person's entire career.
If you want to cite something in it, you really need to be more specific because to not do so puts your audience in the terrible position of either taking your word for it or, I guess, scouring thousands and thousands of pages of documentation to see if what you're saying shows up anywhere.
Another important thing to keep in mind is that Joseph Goebbels was not tried at any Nuremberg trial because he had already killed himself prior to the end of the war.
The Yale Law School, through the Avalon Project, hosts transcripts of the entire proceedings of the Nuremberg trial, and H.G. Wells isn't mentioned once.
It is recorded that Wells' books were included in the books that were burned beginning in 1933, but it's really unfair to pretend that Wells was the main target.
Like Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sex Research was definitely a central target, and then tons of authors who the Nazis didn't feel were German enough or the right kind of German had their works burned.
It's a long list, including people like F. Scott Fitzgerald, Upton Sinclair, Franz Kafka, and Helen Keller.
Like, it's a lot of people.
jordan holmes
It wasn't so much the authors as it was just like general knowledge itself was under attack.
dan friesen
And I think that the awareness that H.G. Wells was included in that book burning list may be what Alex is exaggerating or embellishing here.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's just combining that H.G. Wells had a book named New World Order, and Nuremberg Trials is a great place to put it in.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he just makes up whatever he wants to make fake points when he's trying to sell some sort of a narrative, whatever that day's narrative is.
Alex's movie Endgame begins with a misquotation from H.G. Wells' New World Order, and I have absolutely zero qualm saying that he has never read that book.
jordan holmes
Zero.
dan friesen
He almost certainly just saw that faulty quotation in a John Birch Society pamphlet his dad gave him, and that's just been his reality since.
An important point to bring up here is that in some ways, you could really see what Alex is doing here as being pro-Nazi.
I know that he wouldn't accept that characterization, but it really feels like he's applying his own worldview and motives to Goebbels here in a way that's really only meant to get the audience to think that maybe the Nazis weren't doing all that bad stuff.
jordan holmes
fighting alex's new world i've been trying to parse exactly what it was he was saying and that's where i'm i'm getting stuck because it does sound i'm not sure if that's the only reading but Right.
dan friesen
It's a reading.
jordan holmes
It is.
It sure is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex constantly talks about the globalists and the New World Order as being working for the literal Christian devil.
So it kind of paints the Nazis as not as bad as they seem if they too are fighting against the literal Christian devil.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, what he said was that H.G. Wells had a book named New World Order, and Goebbels wanted to kill him because the Nazis had their own New World Order.
And we are told pretty clearly that H.G. Wells' New World Order is the devil one.
So unless the devil is like farming out like all kinds of I mean, you know, it's this back in World War II is like the it was everybody was playing in the minor leagues.
You know, there were a bunch of smaller town devils.
There was barnstorming devils who would come in.
They'd have their own kind of thing going on for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah, I find this absurd, but so I can't say with any certainty how much of this is intentional, but if Alex isn't trying to be a Nazi apologist, he needs to be way more careful about how he talks about issues related to World War II.
The first step would be to stop making stuff up about it.
And then after that, stop saying things that clearly indicate that you personally identify with a Nazi leadership.
These would be admirable goals to try and bring into the proceedings.
jordan holmes
You know, a lot of politicians and writers have said the words New World Order over the years, and the one I agree with is Goebbels.
That's probably not the way you want to go, right?
dan friesen
Yep, probably not.
jordan holmes
That's bad, bad.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex might sympathize with the Nazis.
So anyway, Alex gets into talking about New World Order stuff as he has been.
alex jones
Of course.
dan friesen
But I think in this clip, he actually kind of lets slip a little bit too clearly that he knows what people mean when they use that term.
alex jones
The politicians will say, oh, well, a new world order just means a reshuffling of the power structure, and it can certainly mean that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We're putting together a compilation.
There's hundreds of these that I'll be airing later in the day of prime ministers and presidents and world leaders defining their new world order as world government.
Autocratic, authoritarian, world government.
And Klaus Schwab has come out saying, we have the video.
China is the model of world government.
So it's not just a world government.
It's a worldwide authoritarian government.
With forced abortion, infanticide, giant death camps.
You will own nothing, you will have nothing, and you will be happy, or you'll go to a camp.
dan friesen
So keep in mind this characterization that Alex is making because he's saying that they have this compilation and he's going to play it later.
And we'll see if it holds up to this standard that he's.
jordan holmes
It sounds like it's a pretty big compilation.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And spoiler alert, there's no Klaus Schwab in it.
It doesn't play any video of Klaus Schwab saying that China is the model of the new world order that he wants to create.
jordan holmes
Seems like that's important.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex says, I have the video in the same way that he says it's in the white papers or it's not even debated or whatever.
It's just a tick.
jordan holmes
He's got the video.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just a tick for his audience to be like, oh, he means it.
jordan holmes
He's definitely telling the truth now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never heard that one before.
dan friesen
I also want to touch on the meme that Alex dropped at the end there, the you will have nothing and you'll be happy thing.
This is something that's really caught on among shithead skeptics who don't actually want to put any work in but want to present themselves as competent news and politics critics.
I'm talking about people like Rogan and Russell Brand.
Brand has made multiple videos where this slogan is used in a nightmarish way to characterize the great reset conspiracy that he's hard at work making his millions of fans scared about.
Schwab never said you will own nothing and you'll be happy.
That's not a quote.
It's a paraphrasing of something that was written by Danish MP Ida Aachen in 2016.
Ida was envisioning what life might be like in 2030, and part of that vision was that things that had historically been seen as products were now services.
This essay is a little bit far-fetched, but the essential premise is that innovation and technological advancement will have made everything so available and abundant that there's no real reason to own anything anymore since everything will be free.
From the essay, quote, first communication became digitized and free to everyone.
Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly.
Transportation dropped dramatically in price.
It made no sense for us to own cars anymore because we could call a driverless vehicle or flying car for longer journeys within minutes.
There are also aspects of this vision that are kind of dumb inasmuch as they seem incredibly inefficient.
For instance, this part: quote, once in a while, I will choose to cook for myself.
It's easy.
The necessary kitchen equipment is delivered at my door within minutes.
Since transport became free, we've stopped having all those things stuffed in our home.
Why keep a pasta maker or crepe cooker crammed in our cupboards?
We can just order them when we need them.
That seems like a step backwards in terms of efficiency.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Listen, imagination is fun.
Sure.
dan friesen
Ida's conclusion is that this new technologically advanced city provides literally everything a person could want, but also affords no actual privacy.
And, quote, all in all, it's a good life.
There's no specific plan laid out here.
It's more or less a creative writing exercise where someone came up with some ideas of what life might look like in the future.
An excerpt from this essay was included in the World Economic Forum's video and blog post, quote, Eight Predictions for the World in 2030.
A paraphrasing of the ideas that Ida wrote out is included and summarized as, quote, you will own nothing and you will be happy.
This is not a description of some nefarious plan or the stated goal that Klaus Schwab is working towards.
It's a clunky brief synopsis of this person's essay.
But that's not how it's reported by people like Alex or Rogan or Russell Brand.
For them, it's basically a threat, like a parent saying, you'll eat your peas and you'll be happy.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's really funny about it?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Is that I remember a specific person saying, like, get rid of all your stuff.
You'll have nothing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you'll be happy about it.
dan friesen
Was it the devil?
jordan holmes
No.
No, it wasn't the devil.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, let me see if I can.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
And it was like, it was way back.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
And he was talking to some guy, and the guy was like, I've got all this shit.
Ah, what do I do?
And this guy was like, oh, just get rid of it.
You don't need shit because guess what?
It's not making you happy.
dan friesen
Did this involve like a parable about a camel?
jordan holmes
No, no, no way.
Absolutely not.
Come on now.
dan friesen
So these people are fucking children.
They're desperate to portray their imagined enemies as parental figures for them to lash out at because in some way I feel like that's the only way they can experience the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that kind of goes back to Alex's like his whiny, petulant nonsense in response to not getting his way about the legal case.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not the first time that daddy issues will have an outsized effect on the world's end.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I understand that and appreciate it, but I do feel like there's a certain aspect to it that it's like, I didn't realize, I realized that this kind of psychological phenomenon or whatever can have an impact.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I just didn't realize it was this profitable in terms of building an audience.
jordan holmes
I always thought that acting like this was a bad move.
dan friesen
Yeah, I kind of thought it was embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe that's because I don't have daddy issues.
sure so that's why i trailed off at the end right Right.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we find out that Alex was a little bit late finding out about Biden's comments.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
So I was very tired yesterday and I was going to bed early about 9 o'clock and my phone started blowing up by a lot of well-known talk show hosts and folks calling me and texting me saying, did you see Biden?
Did you see Biden?
Did you see Biden call for a new world order?
And I said, no, I'm going to see it now.
So I got up, got a glass of water, got in front of the big screen computer.
jordan holmes
Great story.
alex jones
That's better for you than the phones.
jordan holmes
Extra details.
alex jones
And sure as hell, there it was.
dan friesen
So this could be a symptom of Alex's COVID, you know, exhaustion.
jordan holmes
Terrible stories?
dan friesen
No, wow.
No, but going to bed so early.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And this is me grasping at straws to build up a case because Alex's petty fascism is boring.
It's honestly bizarre for Alex to say that he heard about this clip at 9 p.m. because of some texts from a person he's clearly trying to imply is Tucker, the most important person in the world.
jordan holmes
He is.
dan friesen
That speech Biden gave was a little bit earlier in the day, and it was going around like wildfire in the right-wing and conspiracy information spaces immediately.
I texted you at like seven.
So I imagine Alex is like, it's over two hours behind.
Like, we're the tip of the spear.
Alex had no idea.
alex jones
What an idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is pathetic.
dan friesen
So, you know, another thing that's pathetic is the way the media treats Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, they're just so unfair.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
They just, it's like, oh, you can't ruin hundreds of millions of lives without somebody being like, I'll mean to you.
dan friesen
Put that aside for a second.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Because look, here's the deal.
Alex talks about the New World Order.
Sure.
And everybody's like, boo.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But then Biden says New World Order.
unidentified
I love the New World Order.
No one's mad.
jordan holmes
Nobody's mad.
alex jones
Now, simultaneously, we have the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN.
I have articles here today specifically saying I talk about a new world order and that it's hateful and bad and that it doesn't exist and that I should be taken off the air.
Their latest article was, America has a free speech problem in the New York Times on Friday because they don't want us discussing the future of the world.
Remember what I played yesterday?
Claude Schwab says, we will decide the future of the humans.
dan friesen
Terrible Schwab impression.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was trash.
That was real bad.
dan friesen
That's even not in line with his normal thought.
jordan holmes
That's worse than his bad Schwarzenegger.
dan friesen
He has very little range.
More importantly, though, people criticize Alex because he makes shit up.
And then he uses the idea of a new world order to push incredibly hateful political positions to deny acts of right-wing terrorism in general and then target marginalized and vulnerable populations.
It's a meaningful distinction, but I don't expect Alex to ever recognize it publicly.
Also, that New York Times article Alex is talking about actually says the opposite of what he's claiming it does.
The way he's talking about it reveals that he's literally just read the headline and assumed that it must be about how free speech is a problem because it allows Alex to say the things that he does.
He couldn't have even read the first two paragraphs without realizing that this article is saying the opposite.
Quote, for all the tolerance and enlightenment that modern society claims, Americans are losing hold of a fundamental right as citizens of a free country, the right to speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned.
This social silencing, the depluralization of America, has been evident for years, but dealing with it stirs yet even more fear.
It feels like a third rail, dangerous.
For a strong nation and open society, that is dangerous.
jordan holmes
The irony of him criticizing that specific editorial is that everybody at the New York Times who is Alex Jones wrote that editorial.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's like, I read that shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's fucking shameful.
dan friesen
It's wild.
jordan holmes
It is disgusting.
dan friesen
Like, if Alex could string two sentences together on a page, he could have written that article.
jordan holmes
You absolutely.
dan friesen
Decrying the scourge of counsel culture.
But because he's too lazy to read past the headline, he's using it as a prop to build up a case that he's under attack.
It's just pathetic stuff.
Like, this is, I don't know.
Like, it's at times like this when, like, there's a lot going on in Alex's world.
Lots of moving parts.
Man.
Lots of things going around that appear to be big stories.
And then you're looking at his show and it's like, you didn't even read this article you're complaining about.
unidentified
I mean, especially since this one is just such a huge win for Alex.
jordan holmes
Alex could be like, even the New York Times understands that people like Alex Jones should be listened to.
dan friesen
I bet that will be eventually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
I mean, yeah, that one really pissed me off.
I'm really, really mad at that one.
dan friesen
Understandable.
jordan holmes
I wanted to say mean things.
dan friesen
So Alex has a guest coming up towards the end of the show.
And I think in terms of the sort of person you would want to come speak on the sort of topics that he's covering, I mean, it's just, this is a slam dunk.
alex jones
We also have an economist and researcher and stockpicker who's been at the tip of the spear exposing the depopulation agenda, watching the markets.
jordan holmes
The stock picker?
alex jones
I have Dow joining us the third hour to talk about Daily Mail articles and others release by the government in the UK.
Hospitals bribed to put patients on path to death to kill people.
Cash incentives for NHS trust that meets targets on Liverpool Care Pathway.
That's why they ordered massive amounts of a euthanasia drug given in lethal injection in the U.S. to be given to hundreds of thousands of old people they killed.
If you give somebody a shot of it that has pneumonia, they always die.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
In just a few hours.
What fucking magic is that?
It's for the earth.
Got to kill your dog.
Got to kill your cat.
Got to sterilize your son.
Got to kill the old people.
There's not enough resources.
You will own nothing.
You will have nothing.
Starting to figure out where we're going, folks.
dan friesen
So that headline that Alex is reading from the Daily Mail, hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death, that's not an article about COVID or anything current like he's reporting it.
It's from 2012, and the article is more complicated than what Alex is presenting.
This has to do with the NIHS having targets of between one-third and two-thirds of the deaths that occur in a hospital being on what's known as the Liverpool Care Pathway.
The LCP is a protocol that is used for patients who are at end of life and determined to be terminal cases.
And it's essentially a way that doctors attempted to provide hospice-type care in a hospital setting.
Once a patient was deemed to be terminal and there was no longer any treatment options, they would receive palliative care to relieve pain and such, but typically that patient would end up dying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This wasn't so much that the hospitals were killing these patients as much as it was a case where end-of-life care was being done in a manner that seemed a bit detached and bureaucratic.
The fact that there was a target range of deaths that should involve the LCP and the fact that funding was attached to being in line with these targets, it really gave the air of impropriety, even though no wrongdoing was necessarily being done.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's just people so divorced from the on-the-ground reality of it, they're just like looking at numbers.
dan friesen
So they don't feel a review found that when implemented well, the LCP is a good way to handle end-of-life care at a hospital setting.
And in fact, it appeared that the existence of the pathway made it much more clear to families of patients that their loved one was at the end of their life and allowed them to act accordingly.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That said, when it wasn't implemented well, it was a sloppy process that could lead to some amount of negligence.
And there were aspects of the pathway that were too difficult to formalize.
For instance, diagnosing when someone is at the end of life is an imprecise thing.
So codifying rules of what qualifies would be difficult to do broadly.
As such, the panel that reviewed the LCP advised phasing it out, which the NHS did in 2013.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, they got him.
We got him, guys.
We did it.
Mission accomplished.
dan friesen
Alex is covering and sensationalizing a decade-old story, which is just tip-of-the-spear stuff.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
The rest of that stuff is just bullshit ranging from transphobia to Alex mischaracterizing articles about how owning a pet is bad for the environment, mostly because of the dynamics involved in pet food production.
But you can see, again, in returning to this drumbeat of the you'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
He said that a bunch of the past, but not as regularly as he is now.
And I suspect that he's seen the success that folks like Russell Brand have had with using that as a mantra.
And Alex wants to signal to those audiences and try and say, hey, I'm doing it too.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
See, again, this is also like, what is it?
Buddhism.
Like, there's a whole organized school of thought around how having stuff is a bad move.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, isn't Russell Brand a Buddhist?
unidentified
I think he is.
jordan holmes
Fucking idiots.
unidentified
That's a good thing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Anyway, look.
jordan holmes
Detach yourself from the idea of not having things.
All right?
Attach yourself to unattachable attachment things that you can't attach yourself to.
dan friesen
What?
I've been starting to think that maybe Russell Brand is somebody who deserves a little bit of attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't be too surprised if we do some episodes about him in the future.
jordan holmes
I just wasn't seeing that the guy from one Guy Richie movie was going to be.
dan friesen
You know what's nuts?
He probably has a larger audience than Alex at this point.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And he's still on mainstream platforms.
He's doing some straight-up Alex shit.
jordan holmes
Exact same stuff.
dan friesen
Not exactly the same.
jordan holmes
Well, not as much.
dan friesen
There's some totally that is important.
And I will get into that at a later date.
But I was taking a shower the other day.
I was thinking about it.
It's like, man, he's probably radicalizing a lot of people.
And I wonder, you know, it could lead to trouble.
Like, what if there was another January 6th and it's because Forgetting Sarah Marshall came out?
Because certainly give me to the Greek or whatever, get him to the Greek.
That wouldn't have launched his career.
jordan holmes
I mean, when you really think about it, we are dealing with a triumvirate of Alex Jones, Joe Broken, and Russell Brand as three purveyors.
dan friesen
Tucker.
jordan holmes
Well, of course, Tucker.
dan friesen
Maker Square, baby.
jordan holmes
Tucker.
But I mean, like, this is.
Bush League bullshit.
Like, this is not good.
dan friesen
It's interesting, too, like, how they appeal to sort of different sectors.
Yeah.
You know, you have like died-in-the-wool right-wing types.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Love the stuff they get from Tucker.
Right.
jordan holmes
Right-wing lunatics like to get high, like to go to Joe Rogan.
dan friesen
Well, stoned could go either way with Rogan or Brand.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It depends if you're violent or not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is the difference, isn't it?
Yeah.
It really is.
Oh, my God.
They're all like a fucking choose your, they're a build-a-character in a fucking RPG where you just adjust the stats a little bit and you come out with these two.
Fuck me.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
God damn.
dan friesen
All I'm saying is Brand X wasn't really enough to merit a cult.
And I mean, he was doing stuff in the UK before.
Like, obviously, he was already a.
jordan holmes
No, he was a very, very famous company.
dan friesen
But not here.
jordan holmes
Nope, not here.
Nope.
He got big here.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, I've been thinking about him a bit.
So the New World Order.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We know that the Nazis were trying to make one.
jordan holmes
Right.
So is H.G. Wells.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So we know that there are multiple New World Orders.
So News World Order.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
New World's Order.
jordan holmes
New New Worlds.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into how there's a bunch of New World Orders right now.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
You're going to find out.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
What does Biden mean when he announces the New World Order?
Thank you for explaining.
China's saying they lead the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That's one.
alex jones
You've got Putin saying he's starting a New World Order.
jordan holmes
That's two.
You like that one.
alex jones
And you've got Biden saying he's got a New World Order.
jordan holmes
That's three.
alex jones
And those are the three power blocks.
jordan holmes
What about Chi?
alex jones
ChiComs, the Anglo-American establishment, and the Ruskis.
Then you've got the kingdom that's all over the world of all groups and peoples.
The real plan through Christ to unify the world and not kill each other, whether you believe in Christ or not.
It's what mainline mass psychologists who study mass psychology will tell you could actually save the earth.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
And then you've got Islam that all the permutations show will, the way it's being carried out, destroy the planet.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Then you've got transhumanism that's already decided to kill most of the people and then have humans become a new species.
And then you have the ChiComs that want their own China-centric, race-based fascism they call communism.
You got the Russians that just want to be left alone and have their new order.
jordan holmes
Really?
They want to be left alone.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's where we are.
I think Alex might still be high from that Caliweed.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
That is fucking insane.
dan friesen
It's meandering childish bigotry.
It's shocking and impressive.
jordan holmes
And it's crazy how all News World Order don't include South America or Africa whatsoever.
dan friesen
Not important.
jordan holmes
Not important.
dan friesen
So here are the teams, according to Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If you pay a tiny bit of attention, you might start to notice that some of these groups are characterized as good or bad.
So on the bad side, you got China, who wants to create a racist, fascist New World Order.
jordan holmes
Right, which is completely different from what he wants.
dan friesen
Right.
Then you have the Anglo-American establishment, which is just code for the globalists.
And we know that they work for the literal devil.
There's Islam, which apparently will lead to the destruction of the world.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
And then there's transhumanism, who they want to create a whole new sort of human.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Just right off the top, you can tell that this was an improvised list that Alex was riffing because transhumanism is not its own thing.
It's a facet of the globalists' plan.
According to everything Alex has ever said about this topic in globalists, transhumanism is an essential element of their whole scheme where they're trying to merge with machines and become God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He talks about it all the time.
jordan holmes
That's their goal.
dan friesen
It seems strange that he added them in as a distinct group, but I think he did that because he realized how clearly his Christian identity nationalism was coming through.
You know, he's like, oh, Christianity good, Islam bad.
Oh, also transhumanism, bad.
jordan holmes
How do we do that?
dan friesen
He's trying to throw that out as a distraction from that clear.
jordan holmes
I mean, but even then, we go right back to Christendom.
Who's left?
We've got China.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We've got America, globalists.
We got Islam?
No.
So who's our bastard?
dan friesen
Brazil, baby.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt it.
dan friesen
So on the good side, you have Russia, who wants to be left alone and have their own new world order.
jordan holmes
Left alone.
dan friesen
And you have Christendom, which apparently is the true plan to unite humanity, according to unnamed mass psychologists who Alex could definitely name if he wanted to.
This raises some really troubling questions.
And I guess the first is, what does Alex mean by saying Russia wants to be left alone, but they also want a new world order?
jordan holmes
Well, the best way to be left alone is to rule everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, how does this work, man?
It's like, so far, Putin is killing tons of civilians in Ukraine, which doesn't seem like it furthers the goal of being left alone.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it does.
That's the point.
That's the problem with every single person who's ever thought about the idea of an isolated nation in the current global structure is that if you want to be an isolated nation, there can be no other nations.
So you either have the entire world or everyone else is dead.
dan friesen
That's not a good plan.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So also what Alex is suggesting with this whole thing about mass psychologists saying that Christianity is the plan that would unite the world.
What he's saying is that he wants to impose Christian theocracy on the world.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
The tell there from Alex is that he says that Christendom is the real plan that will unite the world, whether you believe in Christ or not.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
He doesn't care if you believe in God or Christ or not, so long as he's able to assert power over you because he does, so long as you have to submit.
I can't hear things like this and not just think that Alex is losing even more of his grip.
And he's being a bit too overt with his desires.
Like, he wants to see a world characterized by Christian theocracy, and he sees Putin as the person who's most likely to usher that in, which probably explains a fair amount of his more recent content.
jordan holmes
You're just getting it all wrong, okay?
That's why we can't have Islam, because they want to impose a religious theocracy on us, even if you don't believe in that particular religion.
That's not how Christendom works, and it never has.
Not once, not one time.
I can point to tons of mainline historians who will tell you that nothing good has ever.
Yeah, nothing good.
dan friesen
I feel like Stephen isn't in line with anything that Alex has said as big picture stuff and like the major players.
jordan holmes
No, not really.
dan friesen
Like, I guess his conception is that China is stopping working with the New World Order or whatever, or with the globalists.
But Islam is still, there's never been a break in terms of that.
He still thinks that the entirety of Islam runs for the New World Order of the Globalists.
jordan holmes
His conception of the world is so small.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
There's just so little in his world.
dan friesen
That is true.
But I think it also is just made up.
jordan holmes
True.
And that's why, I mean, it has to be.
dan friesen
He doesn't think about the global South at all.
Sure, that's why they're not a part of it.
jordan holmes
They're just not a part of it.
dan friesen
Well, I guess he does only in as much as he likes Bolsonaro.
jordan holmes
He'll be a lieutenant.
He'll be a duke under Putin or whatever.
dan friesen
Alex talks a little bit more about this stuff, and then he gets so defensive about how smart he is.
alex jones
But China is Transhumanist system as well, but they're not following the neoliberal model of feminizing boys, sterilizing boys and girls, and destroying basic human civilization.
The Chikoms and the Russians have broken with that arm of the transhumanist system that seeks to fully end humanity, and they just believe they're going to merge and augment with the technology.
That's the real debate going on.
jordan holmes
That's the real debate.
alex jones
If you were at a table with billionaires and at the table with Bilderberg group members, and if you were having an adult discussion, that's what you'd be talking about.
Those are the type of discussions I've had with all sorts of groups: intelligence heads, Bilderberg group members, people worth $50 million, you know, science division heads, heads of heart, heads of major programs.
I'm not trying to brag here, folks.
I mean, I've been doing this 28 years, and I really study this all day.
So I get to be at the table, even though most of the globalists don't like me.
dan friesen
I get to be at the big boy table.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Anyone listening to this show actually believes that Alex is having adult conversations with anyone?
And the conversations are about this bullshit.
I can kind of see how his supplements sell so well.
jordan holmes
You're not having an adult conversation with me right now.
You're having a childlike.
No, no, no, I'm allowed to go wherever.
I'm so smart.
I'm the smartest.
dan friesen
Alex isn't talking to anyone who's not insane themselves.
And you can tell by the guests that he has on his show.
They're all lunatics, and most of them are lying about their credentials.
Alex had Steve Pieczenik on his show for 20 years and never seriously asked himself if this dude was nuts and a liar.
If you were actually like a big serious person, you'd never associate with Alex because you can easily see the company that he keeps and how he behaves.
He's an untrustworthy idiot who's unpredictable and he's surrounded by white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and parody-level con men.
I do feel a certain amount of pity for anyone who could hear that and take it seriously because this is just Alex's child brain lashing out again.
He knows he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, so he's creating a comical explanation for how seriously he's taken by imaginary bigwigs that totally exist.
And they probably hang out with mass psychologists.
jordan holmes
Listen, I know you aren't taking me seriously, but these billionaires that you've never heard of.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
All of them.
The most important people.
jordan holmes
The most important.
dan friesen
I am guessing that the person who runs HARP is probably just Nick Begich.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We could probably pick out who all of those people are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's he basing his bullshit off of?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What's the one person?
dan friesen
It's just, this is just an attempt to be seen by the audience in a certain way because Alex knows that on the merits, he doesn't deserve to be treated like that or seen that way at all.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At all.
jordan holmes
But big news.
What?
dan friesen
It's actually not big news.
jordan holmes
How big?
dan friesen
Alex could join the New World Order if he wanted to.
Oh, not like you peons, you peasants listening.
jordan holmes
Let him go.
Do it.
dan friesen
He can't do it, man.
jordan holmes
Come on, do it.
alex jones
I could join the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Do it.
alex jones
Just like that.
jordan holmes
Just fucking do it, man.
alex jones
From the laws, immune from the system, and protect myself for a short period of time from what's coming and lie to myself and say, I could go along with the great culling and this operation, and then my family will be safe.
You really think you'll be safe joining with this?
The few thousand of you that are actually in it and the millions that serve it that think they're going to get a ticket to Valhalla, to Elysium?
No, it's a fraud.
It's a lie.
The life extension is a lie.
All of it's a fraud.
We are in a countdown to destroying the planet.
There's a short compilation of just a few world leaders talking about the new world order and world government and what it means.
Here it is.
joe biden
You know, we are at an inflection point, I believe, in the world economy, not just the world economy in the world.
It occurs every three or four generations.
As one of them, as one of the top military people said to me in a secure meeting the other day, 60 million people died between 1900 and 1946.
And since then, we established a liberal world order, and that hadn't happened in a long while.
A lot of people dying, but nowhere near the chaos.
And now is a time when things are shifting.
There's going to be a new world order out there, and we've got to lead it.
We've got to unite the rest of the free world in doing it.
dan friesen
I wonder if joining the New World Order would make it so Alex wouldn't have to come up with embarrassing excuses to not have to go to a deposition in the case that he's already lost about defaming the families of murdered children.
If so, maybe he should try that because I don't know what other option he has left.
He's probably run out.
jordan holmes
I think I would love it if all of a sudden we came in to work one day and you're like, I have got an episode for you.
Here's your out-of-context drop.
alex jones
I've joined the New World Order.
jordan holmes
And then we go from there.
That's amazing stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or if Alex just starts wearing black and doing the two sweeps.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Starts being like, faux life.
He gets the wrong New World Order when he's joined.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He hangs out with Hulk Hogan, which you might do.
jordan holmes
That is, yeah, well, you know, people who say the N-word got to stick together.
dan friesen
Sure.
So that clip at the end was Biden's recent comment about the New World Order.
And I don't think that it sounds evil or nefarious at all.
This is that compilation that Alex mentioned earlier.
jordan holmes
See, I was worried about the compilation part.
dan friesen
So it's supposed to point these evil statements, you know, about the horror of the New World Order.
But so far, it just sounds like someone describing how there's a change in the status quo that's happening as it relates to international power balances.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I'm going to go through each of these clips one by one in this compilation.
And the reason I'm doing this is because I need to drive home the point that the entire notion of this New World Order stuff being some kind of an actual evil conspiracy plot isn't based on anything other than manipulative optics.
That and historical anti-Semitism, going back to things like the protocols, but a lot of manipulative optics, too.
So here's the next clip, which is Biden again.
And this time it's from a 2013 speech he gave at the annual conference of the Export-Import Bank.
joe biden
The affirmative task we have now is to actually create a new world order.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Got him.
dan friesen
It's interesting that Alex chose that clip because if you actually listen to Biden's full speech, that's not the only time he says New World Order.
Like, for instance, this is just from a little bit earlier in the speech.
joe biden
I understand better than almost anyone.
You understand, almost better than anyone, the sheer potential this global economy affords the United States of America.
And you are well aware of the challenges as well.
This is a familiar story.
In the post-war era, post-World War II era, we faced a slightly different set of challenges.
As the global economy re-emerged from the destructions of war, we knew that institutions and roles were needed to navigate through this new world order.
And because our parents and grandparents were wise and because they were committed, we did what we've always done best.
We exercised our global leadership.
dan friesen
Alex didn't use this clip, even though it does involve Biden saying New World Order, because to do so would undercut the point that Alex is trying to make.
To be fully honest, I'm sure Alex has never listened to this speech and has no idea where the clip is even from.
Someone just sent him a fear-mongering compilation or these pieces to his employees, put it together, and they played it, but the point is the same for whoever decided to include this clip just ignoring the other one because it doesn't work.
If all you have is an out-of-context presentation to Biden saying that we need to build a new world order that could have come from any period of time and your brain can imagine that it's related to whatever you want to pretend it's related to, that only works out of context.
Conversely, if you hear the full speech and you see that he uses the words new world order to refer to the new world order that appeared in the aftermath of World War II, it makes it too clear that the new world order isn't a specific compound noun in this speech.
It's really just referring to the changing set of circumstances on the world stage, in this case in the field of economics and international trade, since he's speaking to the export-import bank.
The inclusion of this example in the compilation is a strong indication that this isn't making a sincere point.
It's just an attempt to use the image of people saying New World Order and make that into an argument, which it's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, what exactly are we going to wind up?
You know, it's not like we're eventually going to have our politicians all go like, so I think now that things are changing, we're going to be entering a new world.
A novel global structure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
So the next one is an oldie, but a goodie.
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a classic world order.
jordan holmes
Classic.
unidentified
A world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations.
When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders.
dan friesen
So we talked about this in depth during the endgame episodes, but this is George H.W. Bush announcing the beginning of the first Iraq War.
While announcing the war, that's no good.
No good.
That said, the use of the words New World Order in this speech are not nefarious.
If you read the full speech, it's very clear that this is a reference to the changing state of affairs between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
In fact, the line that's right before this in that speech, which is weirdly always cut out of these clips, is, quote, we have in this past year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and Cold War.
Long story short, this was at the end of the Cold War in 1991, and that's what the term New World Order refers to.
The Old World Order was a state of standoff between the two largest superpowers in the world who would be too occupied with fighting each other to engage with the UN and their larger peacekeeping mission, and the UN would be too busy worrying about the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
You're free to scoff and disagree with the idea that the UN and the Gulf War were great in terms of peacekeeping, please do.
But that doesn't change the fact that Bush was not talking about a shadowy cabal and world government.
He was talking about a changing status quo between the United States and Russia, which brought about the new order of the world.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's all that's going on there.
jordan holmes
It was a novel global structure thing.
dan friesen
You're not going to like this next one.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
henry kissinger
There's a need for New World Order.
But it has different characteristics in different parts of the world.
dan friesen
This is Kissinger, and I'm not going to spend any time defending him or his legacy, but this is a strange clip to use in this compilation.
This is from an interview he did with Charlie Rose in 2007.
And if you just use a nine-second clip, it kind of conveys the message Alex is trying to pretend it says, but this is misrepresenting the larger context.
If you just hear this clip, it sounds like Kissinger is saying that it will have different characteristics in different parts of the world, and that it is implied to be the new world order, understood to be a one-world government.
But that's not what he's saying.
Just prior to this clip, Rose is asking him about the Iraq war and if the way it was carried out should be understood as revealing the limits of American power, and if given the considerations of so many regions in the world, like states in the Middle East, the rising power of China, was there a need for a new world order?
Kissinger was saying yes, that there was a change in dynamics that was on the horizon, but that it would play out differently in different parts of the world.
In terms of things Henry Kissinger has said, this is a fairly benign comment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, I hated Henry Kissinger a lot, and now they're doing that six-part series on Behind the Bastards.
Holy shit.
I didn't even know how much I hated that guy.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that if you were Alex, you, your doctor, would advise you not to look at it.
Don't.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not doing good.
Oh, I listen to it in very short bursts.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Not in public.
Our next clip, we get Bush again.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, he's a New World Order classic, you know?
dan friesen
I think I found one person who used the term more than him in this compilation, but he said it a lot.
unidentified
A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order.
dan friesen
This was from another speech in 1991, a couple months after the other one.
This speech is mostly about declaring victory in Operation Desert Storm.
And honestly, I don't know why Alex didn't use a longer clip from this speech.
Or possibly, like, there's even more menacing instances of Bush saying New World Order in that speech.
jordan holmes
It's hard to listen to an entire speech, Dan.
dan friesen
Listen to this.
Wouldn't it be more impactful if Alex used this clip instead?
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
unidentified
Even the New World Order cannot guarantee an era of perpetual peace, but enduring peace must be our mission.
dan friesen
Personally, I think that sounds more ominous.
Like the sort of thing Alex could present as a threat.
Like, yeah, even if you let us have our way, there's still going to be violence and war.
jordan holmes
Yeah, CIA director becoming president saying that.
Nope, that's awful.
That's bad.
That's bad.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess the reason Alex uses the clips he does is because he's never actually watched or listened to any of the source material.
He's just using clips that other people have posted online and memes and shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So here's the next one.
jordan holmes
All right.
tony blair
A new world is emerging.
It is a new world order with significantly different and radically new challenges.
dan friesen
So this is a little sliver of a speech that former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown gave in front of the Confederation of British Industry Conference, their conference.
It's unclear what year this is from because conspiracy sites online claim that it's from 2007, but I found a transcript of the speech that he gave that year at the CBI, and it doesn't match this one.
So I have some doubts about that.
It's actually really frustrating because the backdrop behind Brown is definitely from CBI, but it's also not the backdrop that matches what the conference used in 2007 nor any other years that I can find videos from.
I've been able to find Brown's speeches from other years that he was there, and none of them match this other, and it's a real picture.
jordan holmes
Did you fucking find Brigadoon or something?
What is happening?
dan friesen
I looked through all of the videos.
jordan holmes
Tell me that you know what the backdrop looks like for each of the years.
dan friesen
Well, maybe not every year, but relevant.
jordan holmes
No, that's the problem.
dan friesen
I did also look through all of the videos that are posted on C-SPAN.
Include Gordon Brown in the description.
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So this does exist.
There's a two-minute clip that this comes from that does exist as a YouTube snippet that was posted in 2007.
So I can be fairly certain that it wasn't said after that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But beyond that, I don't know what to say here.
jordan holmes
Well, fairly certain barring space-time manipulation apparently might be occurring.
dan friesen
You never know.
jordan holmes
It's true.
dan friesen
That said, Gordon Brown talked about the New World Order all the fucking time.
He's the guy who was more than both.
jordan holmes
He loved it.
dan friesen
If you read any of his speeches, he throws that shit around like it's going out of style.
Here's an excerpt from another one of his speeches from 2007.
So you can see how nefarious and scary this stuff is.
Quote, our task as government leaders, and this is why the theme of the conference is so timely, is to engage the citizens of our countries in discussing and then implementing with their active imagination the new policy program that ensures that the benefits of this emerging new world order can be shared not just by some, but by all.
jordan holmes
Terrifying.
Yeah, that's chills.
Oh, man.
That HW one, that's real scary compared to all the rest of these.
Why?
dan friesen
So here's Kissinger again.
jordan holmes
Well, we got a new contender.
henry kissinger
His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when really a new world order can be created.
It's a great opportunity.
It isn't a crisis.
dan friesen
So this one is him on a show called Squawks on Stocks, where he's being interviewed on the stock market floor.
It's like the anniversary of him going to China, I think.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So there's a reason for him to be there, but it's very weird.
One thing I want to point out is that if you watch this full interview, it's fucking insane.
The interviewer is discussing the ongoing hostilities between Israel and Palestine, and she asks if it's all going to stop after Obama gets inaugurated for his first term.
She is straight up asking if the fighting in Gaza is something that's being orchestrated by Obama for political gain.
And this is on CNBC.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Obviously, fuck Kissinger, but this interviewer is not looking at it.
jordan holmes
That is crazy.
dan friesen
I was listening like, what?
And the people around, like, because there's other people standing around looking at her.
jordan holmes
Oh, they.
Okay, good.
Somebody reacted.
It wasn't just like, this is a totally normal question that we could ask.
dan friesen
They do let her ask another question, but there is a definite look on a couple faces that's subtly Mr. Kissinger.
jordan holmes
Real quick, amazing record, by the way.
Are the Jews orchestrating this to elect Barack Obama president?
Just real quick, off the top of your head.
dan friesen
It's uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this clip comes after Kissinger has asked a strange question about what country's relationship with the United States will define Obama's presidency.
It's such a weird question that I'm just going to play it and Kissinger's response so you can sort of get the full context.
unidentified
What do you think the most important thing is for Barack Obama?
Obviously, you're here to talk about the anniversary for U.S.-China diplomatic relations, but if you had to say this is going to be the country or the conflict or the place that will define the Obama administration, what would it be?
henry kissinger
The president-elect is coming into office at a moment when there are upheavals in many parts of the world simultaneously.
You have India, Pakistan, you have the Shihadid movement.
So he can't really say that it's one problem, but it's the most important one.
But he can give a new impetus to American foreign policy, partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary around the world.
I think his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when really a new world order can be created.
It's a great opportunity.
It isn't such a crisis.
dan friesen
When you hear the question he's responding to in the full answer, the context of this comment makes way more sense.
Depriving it of that context is really the only way this works is making it seem some kind of ominous, spooky, scary comment in this compilation.
unidentified
Yeah, it's not like he said, if I had that, I could have committed a lot more genocides.
dan friesen
You know what?
You are Alex Jonesian, and you're impressed.
jordan holmes
I'm not doing good work today.
This has been a bad one for me.
I've never done a Kissinger before.
I gave it a shot.
Listen.
Try things.
dan friesen
No one's accusing you of being the man of a million voices.
jordan holmes
I am not accused of that by anyone.
dan friesen
No.
So this next clip is, I feel like it's warmer.
It's not good eventually once we discussed why.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But at the surface level, it appears a lot warmer.
unidentified
2009 is also the first year of global governance with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis.
The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.
dan friesen
So this is a clip from a speech that Herman von Rompy gave after he was elected as the first president of the European Council.
Prior to this point, there was a six-month rotation of presidents where whichever country was president of the EU for that six-month chunk, they also held the ceremonial position of president of the council.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They decided to go a different way with that in 2009.
So Rumpy got, Von Rumpe got elected.
jordan holmes
Oh, good for Vaughn.
dan friesen
Von Rumpe isn't talking about global government per se, and he didn't even say New World Order in that clip.
He's talking about international cooperation that was prompted by the worldwide economic crash of 2007-2008.
When he says that the G20 was formed in 2009, that's not accurate.
It was formed in 1999, but in 2008, in response to the global financial crisis, they decided that they should have annual meetings and that they would be the body where the primary economic cooperation conversations happened.
Prior to this, that was mostly the role of the G8, but in the wake of the financial crisis, people recognized that there were other countries.
jordan holmes
Maybe done fucked up bigger times.
dan friesen
Yeah, the interconnectedness of world economies had more important actors in it than just those eight.
The reason that Rumpe says that this is the first year of global governance is because the EU isn't a member of the G8.
Individual EU states are members, but the body itself is not.
Conversely, the EU is a member of the G20.
What Rumpe is saying is not that this is the first year of global governance, it's that the forum where international economic cooperation conversations happen is now the body that the EU, which he was just elected president of, is included in.
This one, it sounds the closest to making Alex's point, but if you know a little bit about the situation and the context of what Rumpe is saying, this clip doesn't say what Alex is presenting it as saying at all.
It's not talking about a new global government.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm going to say this right now, and I've got strong opinions about it.
I think that maybe short compilation videos aren't how you should learn about history.
dan friesen
No, but good for slam dunks.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's true.
Amazing for slam dunks.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Rex Chapman.
dan friesen
Don't bring him up.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
dan friesen
I feel like he's a better dunker than the TV.
jordan holmes
he was.
I would say Oh, God.
I don't know how his dunks are now.
dan friesen
So disappointing.
Yeah, so we have one last clip that's within this compilation.
And then Alex comes in with sort of a coda.
unidentified
Are you optimistic a global system can happen?
dan friesen
From what we've heard so far?
unidentified
It could happen, and in fact, it's in the work.
alex jones
And they use that plan to create crises, to consolidate control, to bankrupt you, to make you poor in steps until you can be starved to death and killed.
Sure.
You will own nothing.
You will have nothing.
You will like it because you will be dead.
dan friesen
So we have Soros on some interview show saying that a global system is in the works with absolutely no context about what's being discussed.
I think at this point, you can see the game that's being played here and how all of these clips are meant to come at you fast and without any surrounding context.
If you're overwhelmed by what appears to be a ton of powerful people saying that there's a new world order afoot and then Alex comes back in the studio and says that this is their plan to kill you, you might just accept him at his word.
However, if you, like conspiracy theorists love to say, do your research and take a little bit of time to ask the question of where these clips came from and what's the context, you'll easily see that the conclusion Alex tacks on there at the end about this being a plan to kill you is laughable.
This compilation doesn't establish or build to this conclusion at all.
It's just smoke and mirrors because that's all this shit is.
And where was Klaus Schwab?
He wasn't in there at all.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And again, you can see the drumbeat of you will own nothing and you'll be happy, that mantra.
You can see it.
It's just simple anchoring.
jordan holmes
So annoying.
dan friesen
Repeating this phrase like he does is meant to lodge it in the audience's mind and connect it to other ideas like they want to kill you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's just subconscious manipulation that he's doing.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
Real, real bad.
jordan holmes
It is, it is, yeah.
I really, really despise those types of slogans because you know that they're just like, they're what you hear before the boot stomps on your face, like that kind of shit.
Like, they're taking everything away from us as right before they shoot you.
Before I die, I have to say, wait, one second, you realize the, and then I'm dead.
dan friesen
The problem with it, too, is that, like, obviously it did come from a World Economic Forum video that they put out.
Like, it is a caption that's on there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So it's their fault that they did that.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
dan friesen
But the actual context of it is being abused and misrepresented.
And I just hate.
I mean, obviously, you can't always be playing defense, like against what conspiracy theorists are going to use your content for.
But something like that, I feel like maybe.
jordan holmes
Saying New World Order is an own goal, okay?
You don't always have to be playing defense, but don't kick the ball into your own fucking goal.
dan friesen
I kind of disagree because, like, as evidenced by you trying to come up with words that would replace it.
jordan holmes
Novel global structure?
I think that works.
I'm going to use that one from now on.
dan friesen
That's not as bad as it could be.
jordan holmes
It could be worse.
dan friesen
New World Order does sound better.
unidentified
It does.
jordan holmes
It's got a ring to it, but that's only because we've seen it in so many conspiracy videos and movies and all that shit before.
dan friesen
And because of Scott Hall.
jordan holmes
It's a repeated, it's repeated in our.
It's just like where they take all your stuff and you'll have nothing and they'll like it.
That's the phrase they say.
dan friesen
Are you talking about the devil?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here is just some random rambling.
alex jones
Let me tell you, when I go to a liberal area of Austin or LA or San Francisco or Seattle or New York, I don't drive by and look at the ghostly looking people, the ghoulish eyes, how unalive they are, how stupid they are, how weak they are, how scared they are, and feel powerful myself.
It makes me feel weak to see my fellow humans in that condition.
But for the globalists, when they see the homeless shelters and the needles and the trendies offering their children up to pedophile story time, they feel powerful.
They've broken your life force and broken your will.
But by just opening up to God and saying, save me, help me, take me to the infinite.
I want to be good and strong.
I believe in goodness.
You will begin to elevate your spirit.
Literally, electrochemically, it will manifest into a higher vibration.
dan friesen
That's right.
alex jones
New age, that's not, that's science, folks.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That's science.
So this is something that can be replicated in repeated studies.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly, science says that if you drop down on your knees and accept Jesus Christ into your heart, then you will, of course, begin to accelerate to a higher plane on a different vibration.
Science says that.
dan friesen
Science.
jordan holmes
It's science, Dan.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Vibration.
It's not new age.
dan friesen
These are the conversations that they're having at the big boy table.
jordan holmes
Billionaires everywhere.
This is an adult conversation.
dan friesen
Cool.
So we get to the bug eating.
jordan holmes
I do so love when we bookend something to the point where I've completely forgotten about it by the end of this show.
dan friesen
This shows half the goal.
jordan holmes
Half of the fun.
You love it.
You fucking love it.
alex jones
These aren't the good guys.
But they know that we manifest what we believe in.
So they tell us you own nothing.
You have nothing.
You're a failure.
You're ugly.
You're going to eat bugs.
And you get used to that.
Your mind starts becoming comfortable with it.
Instead of, I will not eat your bugs.
And I will have children.
And we will colonize space.
And we will transcend your new world order.
And God is real.
And you are not God.
And we are not under your control.
We're under God's control.
And we choose liberty and justice and freedom.
Incredible.
We're going to go to break.
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Plus, we have great products.
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unidentified
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
You know who else said that you'll have nothing and you'll be happy about it?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Marie Kondo.
dan friesen
Oh, is that right?
I would say that if this is accurate at all, what Alex is talking about, things are looking real bad.
Things are real bad.
If he's selling out things at prices that are undercost because he can't make operating expenses, the goose is basically cooked.
I guess he could sell out all his shit and then maybe it puts a band-aid on things for a bit, but this problem isn't going to go away because ultimately this propaganda platform is a model that's doomed to fail.
Actually, Alex's propaganda platform is a great example of how sometimes growth can be bad.
If he'd stayed humble and kept things in the mid-range, like where he was in 2008 or 2012, yelling about how Ron Paul should have won the primary and showing up at places with a bullhorn every once in a while, he could have been comfortable to rich probably for the rest of his life, and he would have been able to continue to pretend to fight an infowar against imaginary enemies.
The growth is what's killing Alex.
It's the overhead and the expenses and the worthless employees on his payroll.
A propagandist doesn't need that kind of hassles.
A propagandist is born to run free, bullhorn in hand, making up shit about books he's never read.
This, a man selling his wares at a loss just so he can afford to pay a dork like Harrison Smith to host a pointless show to pad out the content he's putting out, that's a debasement.
That is no good.
This is not how God intended a propagandist to live.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Also, something in that clip stuck out to me where Alex said, we're not under your control.
We're under God's control and we choose liberty and justice and freedom.
That thought is completely nonsensical.
How does one choose freedom if they're under a deity's control?
If you're under someone's control, that means you don't have free will and thus you can't choose anything, let alone choosing to be free, which is a confounding idea.
But of course, Alex believes that God is a free will kind of God.
So maybe being under his control is to have free will.
But in that case, what does it even mean to have free will?
Pretty much nothing.
That would tend to imply that people who aren't under God's control don't have free will.
But then how can they possibly be condemned for the fact that they're not under God's control?
They can't choose to be under God's control.
They have no free will.
jordan holmes
I just don't think you understand.
Okay, Dan, when God created the universe, he also created the end of the universe simultaneously.
He knows everything that begins and ends.
He knows everything that will happen.
And that means that you have the ability to choose what's going to happen.
dan friesen
Can I actually tell you, I read this really great book about free will and determinism recently.
It was called Knowing, starring Nicholas Cage.
jordan holmes
Which I have some continuity.
dan friesen
So Alex gets a little bit worked up because he thinks that the globalists want you to kill your pets.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
That's the first time that I've believed the globalists.
alex jones
Or maybe I've just been wrong.
Maybe I should submit and maybe we should all go out today with hatchets and kill our dogs in the backyards and our cats because it's to save the earth, right?
We're supposed to give up everything we've got because we're bad.
We're guilty because we have dogs and cats.
We're guilty because we have children.
We're evil.
But none of that's even true.
It's all a greedy group of monsters that want you to learn to hate yourself so you roll over into the ditch of history so they can steal the future.
They're projecting their globalist hatred of themselves onto you and I. All the beautiful, nice things they have and the science they have came from the commoners, came from the people.
We built all this.
And now they've got their robots coming online, and they say they don't need us anymore, and we're supposed to just hate ourselves and go commit collective suicide.
Well, guess what?
It's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Or maybe it should happen.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I am the bad guy, like the media says.
Maybe because I don't want to kill my new puppy.
I'm the bad guy.
Maybe I should kill the puppy.
I want to apologize to the United Nations.
I want to apologize.
jordan holmes
What the fuck just happened?
alex jones
And the World Economic Forum, I want to apologize to Bloomberg, the owner, the billionaire owner of Bloomberg and the publication, and the BBC and all the other groups that came out yesterday and said we should kill our dogs and cats to save the earth and to cut our carbon footprint and to stop Vladimir Putin.
They actually said that, and I came out against that and was wrong.
dan friesen
I have never seen this level of preparation on Alex's show.
The idea that he's in the middle of what appears to be a rant about something and then it throws to a video about the same subject that he did in advance.
Like he prepared this.
That's, I mean, it's really a low bar, but it's impressive for him.
jordan holmes
I thought I, here's, here's what I thought.
dan friesen
You almost fell out of your chair.
jordan holmes
100% thought it was a complete accident.
Somebody had accidentally overlaid the broadcast with an old video or something.
Or maybe they had like hit the, they'd run out of the five-second delay after he started talking about killing pets and then it got real weird, you know, and they just cut away.
No, this is on purpose.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Impressive.
dan friesen
28 years into his career, he's figured this out.
jordan holmes
Not once did that thought occur to me independently.
dan friesen
Well, and not, I'm not positive about this because I've listened to so much of his show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't think I've ever seen anything that coherent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like in terms of a pre-recorded piece, maybe once.
I'd afford possibly once.
jordan holmes
You know, it is good to show some real growth.
You know, at the end of your career, it's a good time to really still show that you can learn new tricks.
dan friesen
This would be like if you saw this on a local access thing, you'd be like, well, see?
But that was what he was doing 28 years ago.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
So that's a bizarre clip there, beyond just these reasons.
There's two features that look really bad when there's further context.
Then you understand Alex.
Just off the top, though, Bloomberg and all these papers didn't say that you should kill your pets.
There was an op-ed in Bloomberg that was a bit tone-deaf, perhaps, but it was just about ways that people could deal with inflation.
It wasn't even about like it's bad for the earth or anything.
Although that is a topic that has been written about in the past, like going back a ways, the carbon footprint of pet ownership.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So one of the main problems about this Bloomberg thing, though, is that it was addressed to people who make less than $300,000 a year.
So just from that premise, it's going to piss some people off.
And they did get dunked on it.
jordan holmes
I am shocked that people would hear from Bloomberg.com things that maybe are tone deaf towards the poor.
dan friesen
So in the tweet, it said that you should replace meat with lentils, but the article actually just said it suggested meat substitutes, like vegetables, lentils, or beans.
So you can see that there's just like essential detail that's missing from the tweet.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Which is natural.
So another suggestion that's in the article is to, quote, rethink those costly pet medical needs.
This wasn't saying that you should kill your pet or that you shouldn't take your pet to the vet, but that some expenses related to pets might not be good expenses.
The next line in the article is, quote, it may sound harsh, but researchers actually don't recommend pet chemotherapy, which can cost up to $10,000 for ethical reasons.
Even though this article sucks and it was rightly commented on by Twitter, it's really obvious that Alex is creating a fake version of it to get mad at, saying that they're telling you to kill your pets.
Now, the two things that are problematic about this clip are one, Alex is supposed to be in the grips of some really serious emergency situation with his health, and he has to avoid any stretch, stress.
But here he is on air getting himself worked up, whether genuinely or as a performance, which would be pretty bad for his blood pressure.
jordan holmes
He should probably calm down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And two, Alex has a rich history about talking about killing dogs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On way more than one occasion in the past, he's gone on and on about how he's killed dogs.
So I don't know if he's actually the best messenger for this right-wing fake outrage about this article.
I think it kind of makes his supposed comedy piece he cuts there at the end a little bit less impactful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The satire of that piece is supposed to be that it's outlandish to imagine Alex killing his pet, but it's not.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He's talked about doing that very thing a bunch in the past.
Yep.
I don't know.
It doesn't.
It hits differently.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is kind of like him being like, what kind of psychopath would talk about killing their dog?
dan friesen
Cut to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, what are we doing here?
dan friesen
I had to stomp on this dog's head.
unidentified
I've never thought about things for more than a second.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a total mess.
jordan holmes
Insane.
dan friesen
So, look, the second hour, there's a lot of time spent with Alex interviewing his former employee, Savannah Hernandez.
Here's what happened.
She got kicked off Twitter after posting some videos of her interviewing people about how unfair it is that Leah Thomas is allowed to compete in women's swimming.
jordan holmes
Oh, she was doing some transphobia.
Yes.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But as it turns out, she wasn't actually kicked off for the video.
She was kicked off for creating a new account to evade a previous ban.
And the way that her new video went viral in the right-wing media, it brought her ban evasion to Twitter's attention.
So her new account got banned.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
She was originally kicked off in 2020 for election-related misinformation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, she's gone on to become a personality and a producer at the Blaze, which is probably really smart for her career.
It's still a dead end, but at very least, Glenn Beck isn't selling products at below cost in order to squeeze out a couple more months on air.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not going to cover her interview because honestly, I don't care.
I'm just going to play this one clip because I think it really illustrates how little Alex does.
He doesn't even know what he's talking about.
alex jones
Savannah Hernandez will be joining us at the bottom of the hour to break down some really huge news.
One of the swimmers that filed a complaint that she didn't like a man, literally a foot plus taller than other women, being able to take over and win.
Well, she's been suspended off Twitter and Savannah got an interview before that even happened, whether that got her, I guess, suspended or speaking out got her suspended.
What a world, man.
dan friesen
So he's got multiple aspects of this story wrong.
The first is that the interview Savannah did was not with someone who filed the complaint.
It was just a person who had some slightly critical comments about Thomas.
And her complaint seemed to be about how her friend didn't make finals.
And I guess that she would have if Thomas hadn't been swimming.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't recommend pursuing this line of thinking to its logical conclusion because it doesn't go anywhere good.
The second thing that Alex has wrong here is that the person Savannah was interviewing didn't get kicked off Twitter.
Savannah did.
This is the entire reason this is a story and why Alex would be having Savannah on.
She's doing a right-wing media blitz to strike while the iron's hot and her victimhood argument is fresh in people's minds.
It's honestly bizarre that Alex doesn't even seem to understand the premise of the interview he's agreed to do on his show.
He has literally no preparation for this at all.
Anyway, like I said, and you said this interview is just transphobia.
That's pure.
That's all that's going on here.
It's basically concern trolling, too, where these folks attempt to mask their underlying intense bigotry behind a pretend sincere concern about women's swimming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's so fucking bullshit.
How dare you?
How fuck?
I mean, and not just that, but simply because like Bill Burr made the transphobic joke that everybody's been dining out on on the far right like 10 years ago in one of his specials.
And it was done in a completely different context to make it look like he's the idiot for having this kind of thought process whatsoever.
But fuck it.
They're just going to do the same fucking bullshit because it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what it is.
If it's not sports, it's there.
They shouldn't be in the bathrooms.
If it's not the bathrooms, they shouldn't be in the same restaurants.
It doesn't fucking matter.
It's just that they exist.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
It's infuriating.
dan friesen
Yep.
It sucks.
So if you're somebody who's had his lawyer contact court and say that you have a serious emergency medical condition, I would say you probably wouldn't want to then go to work and do a ridiculous pageant of a show the next day, right?
Maybe.
And definitely, if you did do that, you probably wouldn't want to say on air that you're going to come back and do another show that evening.
jordan holmes
Yes, that would be bad.
alex jones
That's definitely real.
This is all out in the open.
The New World Order is out in the open.
We're going to have a special live InfoWars broadcast tonight from at least seven to nine commercial free to take phone calls on the great reset on the new world order.
I don't know what you think we should do as callers to stop this.
It'll be Infowars.com streams.
dan friesen
I don't know if he actually ended up following through with that, but I would just not have done that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if the next clip is him saying, like, never felt better in my life.
This is as good as it gets for me.
I feel like I've lost like five pounds in the past couple of days.
Like, what if I told you?
dan friesen
I was kind of hoping that there would be some clip of him trying to sell his supplements.
jordan holmes
Look at how great I feel because I took this one supplement.
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
I thought that would be ironic.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip, and it's because Alex, for the third hour, does interview that economist stock picker guy.
Sure.
And I just, he sucks.
I don't even care.
Here's just a clip of Alex getting into the interview.
alex jones
They're publicly announcing the NIH, what we already knew, but now admitted, paid to have them give people these assisted suicide drugs that they bought a bunch of right before the pandemic record levels.
And we know the same thing here.
Give them morphine.
Don't give them treatment.
Watch them die.
But to read this, here's the headline.
Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death, cash incentives by the National Health Service Trust that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway.
dan friesen
The third hour is him doing this interview with the stock trader, Edward Dowd, who seems completely insane.
He's on to talk about how the government's killing everyone with COVID vaccines and what have you.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex's central piece of evidence in covering this story seems to be this article about the Liverpool Care Pathway, which Alex is pretending is a current story and has to do with the pandemic.
He obviously forgot to check the date on the article he's reading.
He didn't look into this at all, so he has no idea it's a decade-old story and that the LCP was phased out in 2013.
I don't know how else to put this.
This shit's embarrassing.
If Alex cared at all about the quality of the work he's doing, realizing that he fucked this up that bad should be a huge issue for him.
He should do a big segment on the next episode about how important it is to check dates on stories and how he had it wrong and that they weren't giving people assisted suicide drugs.
But Alex doesn't have to do any of that.
His audience accepts whatever trash he gives them.
So he has no incentive to do better than trash.
And that's what this is.
It's trash.
jordan holmes
Absolute trash.
dan friesen
This show is, at the present day, more or less a combination of extreme bigotry and incompetently delivered false news stories.
I think I say this a bit, but it bears repeating.
There's no value in the existence of Infowars as a piece of the information landscape.
It's full-on, completely negative in terms of what it brings to society.
And like, you know, you think about just sort of like the position that I came from early on doing this show.
I think that I had a position that was far more like there is a place for something like Alex in the world.
And I still kind of believe that that's true.
There's a place for skeptical voice, but that's not what this is.
jordan holmes
There's a world where an Alex Jones performance is appreciated because it is not having any effect on people's actual lives.
Well, we're in the unfortunate world where the performance is very much hurtful.
dan friesen
I would take issue with how you phrase that.
I disagree slightly.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I don't think that even in a different organized world, this has value.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, absolutely not this.
dan friesen
I think that there is a model of somebody who can be generally wrong, but asking pointed questions that does have a societal value.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's the position that I kind of felt like this is the idea of Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's not.
jordan holmes
Well, what he is the buffoon.
The buffoon.
The architect, that the jester.
No, no, no.
Just that fucking idiot who sometimes says something and you're like, oh.
Instead of being the idiot who says non-stop bigot stuff.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, what if the buffoon is a hateful bigot and then also says that they're right all the time and tries to sell you shit.
jordan holmes
There's no place in the world for that.
Not even in the media landscape.
dan friesen
I mean, just in the world.
I think what I'm trying to get at, what I'm trying to stress, is that like there may have been a time when listening to Alex Jones could give you like maybe 0.01 value.
jordan holmes
0.01 info units.
dan friesen
Compared to reading a news story, which might be like one info unit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, yeah.
You get like- I like the system we're developing.
dan friesen
You get trace amounts of info units.
jordan holmes
We've developed the metric system for media.
dan friesen
Now it might be in the negatives.
jordan holmes
It is negative 10 info units.
dan friesen
You lose information.
jordan holmes
You die slower.
Faster.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, I'm interested to see where his health situation goes.
I'm interested to see some of these other court cases, what develops with them, and whether he's back in studio on Friday.
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Any outcome is possible.
dan friesen
It'd be so funny if he shows up in studio on Friday.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
On a treadmill.
jordan holmes
He's got to show up.
I think it'd be better if he shows up at a stretcher.
Wheel him in, have him do the whole show laying down.
Oh, that's the way you do it.
dan friesen
One way or another, I demand pageantry.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And we will not get it, but we'll be back on Monday.
jordan holmes
Yes, we will.
dan friesen
And until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and At Go to Bed Jordan.
Yep.
dan friesen
Shit.
I feel like I can't say Dr. Marbles anymore since Dr. Marbles is now.
I thought he was going to be someone who showed up and then disappeared.
Funny name.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Now he's an international man of peace.
dan friesen
Oh, well, back to the oldie but a goodie.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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